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Migrant route

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January 2014 of the year. Passenger train 320-th Moscow-Dushanbe. Seasonal schedule - 3 departure from Moscow in a week, the same number of trips from the capital of Tajikistan to Moscow. A second-class ticket price is about 7,5-8 thousand rubles. The price of the seat in the compartment car is 25-30% higher. The train does not find much demand among passengers. If the compartment carriages are filled with 80%, then the second-class cars go almost empty - with 300-400 available seats, which for such a train several years ago was difficult to imagine. People went to Moscow and back, taking up not only all the existing regulated places in the cars, but also (by hook or by crook) almost the “third” shelves of the carriage compartments, regardless of the season, temperature “overboard”, economic crises and other the details.


Migrant route


On the features of one of the main "migrant routes" we talk with the guide Aidar. According to him, not only seasonal, but also other reasons for the fact that the trains go half-empty affect. One of the reasons mentioned by the Tajik Railways employee is that the train crosses several borders (Russian-Kazakh, Kazakh-Uzbek, Uzbek-Turkmen, a few kilometers of Turkmen-Uzbek and only after Tajikistan) on the way. Each “meeting” of the train with the border of course, accompanied by raids of border services of various states. At the same time, according to the words of a Tajik conductor, for the last year border control, along with accompanying checks by immigration, It is noteworthy that the most stringent control of the train assigned to the Tajik Railways company is not conducted by the Russian inspection services, as one might expect, but by the Central Asian neighbors of Tajikistan. zeal manifests itself, according to the conductor, at the Uzbek border. Apparently, a kind of migration competition, in which there is some advantage due to geographic proximity to the Russian Federation and Parts Required passing TCDD trains through the territory of Uzbekistan to Tajikistan has.

Of the four days during which the railway “journey” of an ordinary Tajik migrant continues, the train spends about a day “in standby” mode — the machinists are waiting for all the structures listed above to complete their work.

The 320 passenger train conductor pays attention to the condition of the train. Honestly, this state of attention is drawn by itself after the very first steps in the car. The rubber seal is almost completely absent on the windows; plastic canopies are rarely found above the central aisle and inside the carriage compartments - instead of them “bare” lamps and tangled wires hang from the ceiling. The metal flaps in the toilet compartments are bent or absent altogether, the wagon "accessories", in which passengers usually place their belongings over the shelves, are torn up by the root, the upholstery of the shelves is partially cut. The first impression is that the relatively new carriage is simply “killed” by passengers.


Window of the car with torn seal


An interesting detail is found out: wagons are being “killed” in approximately 2-3 years after major repairs or direct operation on this route, not only by excessively active actions of some passengers, but also by representatives of the inspection bodies of five states at once: directly from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan , Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation. The main goal is, naturally, the search for narcotic drugs and explosives in any places where such means and substances could be placed. The route of the train runs through quite, let's say, specific territories, and therefore each new customs control point promises its own “shaking up” of the train and its “inhabitants”.

It is obvious that the total check of the “migrant express” is a forced measure, most of the passengers are perfectly aware of the situation, and there is no talk of any kind of mass grumble. And does it make sense to grumble to people who are already accustomed to receive income outside of their home state. There is no grumbling, especially when a migrant has a choice. What is the choice?

The fact is that instead of 4 days of an “exciting” journey in a carriage in which, even after a good warming, the cold wind walks “like at home”, and ice can also appear on the windows from the inside, the average Tajik migrant chooses several hours of flight . Today, 7-8 flights depart daily from the Russian capital to the capital of Tajikistan and back. AND aviation the sides, unlike the railroad cars, by labor (legal and illegal) migrants are clogged, as they say, to the eyeballs. The price of a ticket from Dushanbe to Domodedovo or Vnukovo is on average about 10-11 thousand rubles, which is exactly the same as the price of a ticket for a seat in a compartment car.

The conductor Aidar claims that even much more expensive air tickets (at the price of 18-20 thousand rubles) are bought up quite actively, unlike train tickets, precisely because the passengers quote: "Do not want to get involved with customs" - here there is actually one check - and then flight over all borders without migrant “shocks”. At the same time, he notes that the solvency of many Tajik migrants has increased, and many have ceased to frankly openly, preferring to buy a plane ticket, rather than shaking in a torn carriage for four days. On the question of how many "banned persons" representatives of the inspection services find while inspecting the train, the conductor, after a short silence, replied: “Usually they find nothing, because all this ban has been going back and forth for a long time by other routes.”. What kind of routes? - said nothing ...

For reference: following the results of 2013 of the year, operational services seized more than 100 kg of drugs in the Dushanbe-Moscow train.

It turns out that not all are switching to “other routes” ...

At the time of the conversation, when the train was on the territory of the Ryazan region, the FMS officers entered the car and demanded that the 12 passengers with Tajik passports show registration documents. For two passengers, documents allowing their stay on the territory of the Russian Federation were overdue by about a month, and the FMS staff, after long altercations by guests from “sunny” Tajikistan, took the latter with them.
Samir (one of the passengers of the train called himself) on the question of what will now happen to those who are “gone” answered that they would be fined, or quote: “they will agree fraternally”. About half an hour later, the migrants again found themselves in their places, reluctantly telling that this was only the beginning, and that things would be much more difficult when the transport police of Uzbekistan checked the documents. To the question of what made them stay in Russia for another month (after the allowed period of stay expired), one of the actual violators of Russian legislation answered with a smile: "New Year"...

Reflecting on what the train expects when checking by Uzbek transport policemen, the conductor noted that soon the quote: “everything will be better”. In 2015, it is planned to implement a project to build a railway line between Tajikistan and Turkmenistan through northern Afghanistan - bypassing Uzbekistan.



When asked whether it would be easier to resolve border issues with Uzbekistan, the guide Aydar rounded his eyes, saying that now it is simply impossible to reach an agreement with Tashkent - it is easier to reach an agreement with Afghanistan. Security issues, apparently, in this case, no one takes into account, although this year should be a large-scale withdrawal of ISAF troops from Afghanistan and the future of the authorities of this country is a big question.

The conductor noted that as soon as the railway through the Afghan territory is built, ticket prices will drop significantly (Uzbekistan this year, according to the same Aydar, raised the transit fee by 50%), and the travel time will be reduced, and therefore the Tajik passengers will return to the trains en masse again.

Do the “torments” of Tajik migrants on trains to and from Russia excite residents of the Russian Federation itself? They are only worried about how clearly our legislation will work in relation to migrants, and how well-prepared migrant workers are to comply with this legislation. If we believe the governor of the Moscow region, Andrei Vorobyov, then in the Moscow region alone about a million and a half illegal migrants live and conduct this or that activity. These are people with overdue migration cards, lack of a work permit, people who have “lost” documents. In Russia as a whole, the number of “labor illegals” is estimated at about 3,5 million people (FMS data).

Since January 1, a new law is in effect in the Russian Federation, according to which a “visa-free” migrant has the right to stay in Russia for no more than 90 days. After that, he must leave the Russian Federation, and he can return to the Russian Federation only after the 6 month has expired. The Federal Migration Service believes that the measure will allow to build a barrier for illegal immigrants. It remains to hope that this law is not just a paper ...
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  1. Christian
    Christian 13 January 2014 09: 23
    +56
    Migrant workers, the people do not need, but the oligarchs need. The oligarchs in the Russian Federation - in power - therefore, with this power, the delivery of migrants cannot be stopped!
    1. zart_arn
      zart_arn 13 January 2014 09: 30
      +18
      Migrant workers are not needed by the people,

      I fully agree with you. Okhlokrats were so overwhelmed by greed that they no longer feel the approaching critical mass of guest workers in Russia.
      1. Starfish
        Starfish 13 January 2014 10: 06
        +17
        "It is noteworthy that the most stringent control of the train assigned to the Tajik Railways company is not carried out by Russian inspection services."

        really remarkable.
        strange choice of train and time. firstly, indeed in January, fewer migrants travel; secondly, the Moscow-Dushanbe route, some Tajiks have already settled in Russia and are not returning.
        the process of replacing the indigenous population with migrants is ongoing, the process of anesthesia also does not stop.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 15: 55
          +2
          Quote: Starfish
          the process of replacing the indigenous population with migrants is ongoing,


          In full swing, so much so that the share of Russians in the population of the Russian Federation increased from 79 to 81% !!!

          And under article two very disturbing moments

          In 2015, it is planned to implement a project to build a railway line between Tajikistan and Turkmenistan through northern Afghanistan - bypassing Uzbekistan.

          It seems to me that after traveling through the territory of Afghanistan, the train needs to be sent back, and passengers should be put on another train, already Russian and without cracks, where you can put the dope in, or better to cancel, one fig, at the airports, the search is much better.

          In Russia as a whole, the number of “illegal workers” is estimated at approximately 3,5 million people (FMS data).


          Even if we assume that every "entertainer" earns 10 tr, then this is 35 Lyams per month or 450 million rubles a year. Don't you think the sum is small? That is, budget losses amount to approximately $ 15 million, and not even billions. If the migrant earns 25 thousand, then the losses will be 35 million dollars a year. What are the conclusions?
          1) FMS has incomplete data - 100%
          2) The budget losses are significant, but far from journalistic calculations (even if we double the number of migrants and they will receive 25 tr)
          3) A migrant’s salary is not such a small amount to say that it’s a cheap slave, because 25 tr is the average earnings in the Russian Federation in 2012.
          4) Migrants do the work that the citizens of the Russian Federation do not want to do. (wipers, laborers, dishwashers)

          True, there is such a point here that when hiring a citizen of the Russian Federation, the employer also pays taxes and payments to him in the FIU ... that is, a citizen of the Russian Federation costs the employer more than 300 $. Hence the answer to the thesis highlighted by the author at the very end.

          The Federal Migration Service believes that the measure will make it possible to build up a screen for illegal illegal immigrants. One can only hope that this law is not just paper ...


          The law will not solve the problem until the maintenance of an undocumented migrant is more profitable than a citizen of the Russian Federation. But here's how to do it - a question of questions.
          1. Pancho
            Pancho 13 January 2014 22: 00
            +2
            You don’t get stuck with arithmetic: 3, 5 mln * 10000 = 350 bln. Is this amount impressive?
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 04: 08
              0
              Quote: Pancho
              You don’t get stuck with arithmetic: 3, 5 mln * 10000 = 350 bln. Is this amount impressive?


              Oops, and the truth. Mistaken by a few zeros)))
      2. Psyjoker
        Psyjoker 14 January 2014 00: 28
        0
        Moscow is not visible from London good
    2. 31231
      31231 13 January 2014 10: 02
      +7
      And what about other people in power in the USA and Europe ?! There is also a dominance of Arabs, blacks, and Chinese.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 13 January 2014 10: 13
        +11
        Quote: 31231
        And what about other people in power in the USA and Europe ?! There is also a dominance of Arabs, blacks, and Chinese.

        And why each time look back at Europe and sketch all the bad things from them? They allow gay marriage, do we also need?
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 15: 57
          -1
          Quote: Garrin
          And why each time look back at Europe and sketch all the bad things from them? They allow gay marriage, do we also need?


          This is about the same as with corruption, there is not a single relatively large and developed country where the problem would be solved. And illegal immigrants in the USA do much more damage to their economy than our Tajiks do.
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 13 January 2014 17: 28
            +1
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            This is about the same as with corruption, there is not a single relatively large and developed country where the problem would be solved.

            I agree.
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            And illegal immigrants in the USA do much more damage to their economy than our Tajiks do.

            Maybe. But, Paul, I’ll answer, like the previous opponent. Why do we have to follow them in this?
            Well, if it’s already clear that this is harmful, why bring in? Why not restrict access? Why do you need to fill up cones, and not learn from the mistakes of others?

            PS Happy you!
            PPS Cons are not mine.
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 17: 32
              0
              Quote: Garrin
              Well, if it’s already clear that this is harmful, why bring in? Why not restrict access? Why do you need to fill up cones, and not learn from the mistakes of others?

              And why don't they think about it in other countries with a similar situation?
              Nobody is equal to the USA, and this country is cited as an example by the fact that they have sufficient rigid visa policies and have been operating since the beginning of the 20 century, but this did not save it from the problems that we are only starting to encounter.
              And it says that closing the borders will not solve the problem, and the same Gasters will have no choice but to work in the dark, and we will not have 3,5 million illegal immigrants, but all 8.
              I wrote above.

              The law will not solve the problem until the maintenance of an undocumented migrant is more profitable than a citizen of the Russian Federation. But here's how to do it - a question of questions.
              1. Garrin
                Garrin 13 January 2014 18: 00
                0
                Quote: sledgehammer102
                And why don't they think about it in other countries with a similar situation?

                Probably, the mind overshadows tolerance.
    3. romanru4
      romanru4 13 January 2014 10: 57
      +1
      And who will clean the garbage in Moscow? Our women prefer to give birth to managers (one), but they do not want cleaners.
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      2. Polovec
        Polovec 13 January 2014 11: 03
        +14
        It is necessary to ban the labor of migrants in the country, at the same time introducing an article for parasitism, as in Belarus. Today, a huge part of the population, especially in Moscow, cannot be forced to work by other methods.
        1. vitek75
          vitek75 13 January 2014 19: 32
          +1
          Well, what for double taxation - and where is the money spent? at home
    4. RUSS
      RUSS 13 January 2014 18: 04
      +3
      In America, the planters brought in blacks from Africa, and our "planters" bring in "blacks" from Central Asia.
      And infa for consideration, for example, former slaves in the Caribbean not only knocked out or slaughtered their former masters, but also almost the entire white population ....
  2. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 13 January 2014 09: 31
    +8
    Reflecting on what the train expects when checking by Uzbek transport police, the conductor noticed that soon, the quote: “everything will be better”
    Uzbek cops and customs officers are children, compared to Kazakh ones. Everyone who ever traveled through Kazakhstan to Central Asia knows this.
  3. Trailer
    Trailer 13 January 2014 09: 37
    +6
    For reference: following the results of 2013 of the year, operational services seized more than 100 kg of drugs in the Dushanbe-Moscow train. laughing Work well!

    Russia annually consumes about 70 tons of Afghan heroin, which is about 20% of the world’s consumption of this drug.
  4. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 13 January 2014 09: 38
    +2
    One can only hope that this law is not just paper ...- if the FMS does not act like those on the train ... "brotherly" to decide. repeat
  5. ramin_serg
    ramin_serg 13 January 2014 09: 39
    +7
    The problem of guest workers cannot be solved as long as there is corruption ranging from the police and registration of citizens to the upper levels of government that create problems for registration in order to solve the problem that they themselves artificially create for a bribe
    1. diver1977
      diver1977 13 January 2014 15: 23
      +7
      It is necessary to hammer the government of Tajikistan so that they develop small and medium-sized businesses. It is a business that can absorb the lion's share of the workforce. Or to develop the public sector of the economy. And so the Tajiks got comfortable - they sat on the neck of Russia and hung their legs, living off of migrant money. To put pressure on all channels up to the threat of expulsion of all migrants - both legal and illegal, back to their homeland !!! Young unemployed will make such a kipish there - it will not seem enough. And so their government sits in a mustache does not blow, rams believes. The country and in the Middle Ages will slide to the state of Afghanistan.
  6. The gentleman
    The gentleman 13 January 2014 09: 48
    +7
    Dear author of the article, I always read your articles with pleasure. But here somehow the order smells of the Uzbek law enforcement agencies and the desire to show the citizens of Tajikistan "disadvantaged". I would like to point out the following. Today, it has become almost impossible to smuggle drugs across the border of Uzbekistan, and even if there are such, do not consider it bias, but these are citizens of Tajikistan. and so that even one gram does not settle in the country, such methods of influence and verification are being undertaken. in addition, I would like to ask you to conduct a study of the situation along the route Uzbekistan-Kazakhstan-RF. especially the attitude of the Kazakh border guards and how they treat our citizens and how many deaths there are.
    ps at least our people do not break people ...
    1. Volodin
      13 January 2014 12: 51
      +6
      Timur, if you think that the article was "ordered" by a Tajik guide or someone else, then you are mistaken. The article is the actual transmission of the conversation that took place on the train # 320. I think if the train were, for example, Moscow-Tashkent, then the conductors and passengers would be cursing Kazakh or Russian customs officers - as they say, nothing personal - an ordinary road, ordinary conversations at the level of what ordinary people (not officials) think.
      1. The gentleman
        The gentleman 13 January 2014 15: 12
        +1
        Quote: Volodin
        Timur, if you think that the article was "ordered" by a Tajik guide or someone else, then you are mistaken. The article is the actual transmission of the conversation that took place on the train # 320. I think if the train were, for example, Moscow-Tashkent, then the conductors and passengers would be cursing Kazakh or Russian customs officers - as they say, nothing personal - an ordinary road, ordinary conversations at the level of what ordinary people (not officials) think.

        I assumed and understood, now I do not dare to assert. pardon me. at the same time, I would like to note the fact that when ordinary people complain that they are being checked, there is reason for this.
  7. predator.3
    predator.3 13 January 2014 09: 52
    +20
    To the question of what made them stay in Russia for another month (after the allowed period of stay expired), one of the actual violators of Russian legislation answered with a smile: “New Year” ...


    Yes, I will remember this New Year for a long time! I do not know how in other squares of Ufa, but in the shopping center "Bashkortostan" there was a real "Tashkent", I look forward to the next one with horror!
    Maybe, well, it tries ... it will remove all passenger traffic with these "republics"! Received the same independence and how is it done between sovereign countries - to introduce a visa regime! And there, like "Welcome!" stop
    1. The gentleman
      The gentleman 13 January 2014 10: 06
      0
      and how did you determine that it was Tashkent? knowledge of the Uzbek language?
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 13 January 2014 10: 57
        +6
        Quote: Gentleman
        and how did you determine that it was Tashkent? knowledge of the Uzbek language?

        naturally, dear, in two years of service in the SA what you just can’t learn!
        1. The gentleman
          The gentleman 13 January 2014 11: 01
          +2
          Quote: predator.3
          Quote: Gentleman
          and how did you determine that it was Tashkent? knowledge of the Uzbek language?

          naturally, dear, in two years of service in the SA what you just can’t learn!

          Well, I didn’t know such moments, and in this connection a question arose. I apologize
          1. predator.3
            predator.3 13 January 2014 11: 41
            +1
            Quote: Gentleman
            Well, I didn’t know such moments, and in this connection a question arose. I apologize

            By the way in the army there were a lot of friends from the middle Asian republics!
  8. da113
    da113 13 January 2014 09: 55
    +20
    Migration route, there should be only one, in the opposite direction!
    1. Gunsmith
      Gunsmith 13 January 2014 11: 01
      +6
      And nef_ig while spending state money! Under the escort of explosives, with dogs on the sides - slender columns - home to their homeland. As convicts used to get to Siberia. One such * march of millions * - and there will be no problems. Children and grandchildren will be told about their road adventures * How I worked in Russia * - I will not exaggerate. I'm serious.
      1. Ukraine Glory
        Ukraine Glory 14 January 2014 07: 23
        0
        Quote: Gunsmith
        Gunsmith

        We learned the opinion of anyone unknown, now we will get acquainted with the opinion of the People's Artist of the USSR Leonid Bronevoy.

        “Most likely because of nationalism, which I hate.” In Israel, they asked me if I was a Jew. Me: "And what does it matter?" “In Israel, it has.” It really upset me. And with us - see how guest workers are treated. And how many thousands of evacuated took Central Asia, the last cake was shared, no one reproached the word ?! In Siberia, in the Urals, they used to tease with those who were “picked out,” and in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, they never did. Why not remember it today?
        Siberia and the Urals teased Russian refugees, Uzbeks (unwashed, smelly, stupid ...) gave the last cake. By the way, Broneva studied in Tashkent, probably knows what he is saying.
      2. igor36
        igor36 14 January 2014 08: 22
        +1
        Quote: Gunsmith
        Under the escort of explosives, with dogs on the sides - slender columns - home to their homeland.

        Why to the homeland? Violated the law - to master Siberia and the Far East (not like in the Code of Administrative Offenses a fine of 2-5 thousand rubles, but a real term of a couple of years)
  9. likurg1
    likurg1 13 January 2014 09: 56
    +9
    Tajiks have three ways in life, go to Moscow, go to jihad, or carry heroin, 7 million live in Bantustan, and there are also Uzbeks and Kyrgyz,
    1. Mairos
      Mairos 13 January 2014 10: 32
      +11
      Let the Tajiks change their power, which will somehow take care of their country and more, if there is overpopulation, guys, I understand everything, faith dictates, and so on. But if you, within the framework of your country, cannot solve the problem with the "extra" people, it is good to breed at a wild speed. Nobody is obliged to accept your "superfluous" and provide them with work, social services and other things.
  10. 31231
    31231 13 January 2014 10: 05
    +3
    Well, that's it, now the Central Asian srach will begin, who offends anyone more.
    1. The gentleman
      The gentleman 13 January 2014 10: 09
      +2
      Quote: 31231
      Well, that's it, now the Central Asian srach will begin, who offends anyone more.

      the point is not in the beginning, but in the objectivity of the consideration of the issue. After all, in the analysis, there should still not be a "one-sided game"
  11. horoh
    horoh 13 January 2014 10: 14
    +11
    The issue of gastara must be resolved as soon as possible, we here ... we don’t need a dark, uneducated mass, and even prone to Wahhabism !!!
    1. The gentleman
      The gentleman 13 January 2014 10: 16
      +5
      Quote: horoh
      The issue of gastara must be resolved as soon as possible, we here ... we don’t need a dark, uneducated mass, and even prone to Wahhabism !!!

      completely agree with this !!! and how do you feel about educated, knowledgeable and fluent in Russian?
      1. Valery Neonov
        Valery Neonov 13 January 2014 10: 23
        +10
        And they do not need any, why would they not "raise" the economy of their native states with their labor.
        1. The gentleman
          The gentleman 13 January 2014 10: 25
          +2
          Quote: Valery Neon
          And they do not need any, why would they not "raise" the economy of their native states with their labor.

          this is a question for another topic. although I remember the topic when the forum users were for the Russians to return to Russia
        2. Gunsmith
          Gunsmith 13 January 2014 10: 43
          +16
          And what to raise? I remember everything stopped in Kyrgyzstan ... So far, under the unimaginable guarantees of the local government, the Russians have not returned and launched production and power plants. Everything ended as always - after a year or two of Russian local nationalists again flooded. We left and came across all of Central Asia a complete and universal Arctic fox. That’s the whole economy.
      2. horoh
        horoh 13 January 2014 10: 35
        +3
        I'm educated, knowing the Russian language normally. I have such friends with higher education in the field of construction and their head works in the right direction !!!
      3. Armata
        Armata 13 January 2014 10: 44
        +12
        Quote: Gentleman
        But how do you feel about educated, knowledgeable and fluent in Russian?
        I apologize for getting in. Educated and fluent in Russian, we begin to command the uneducated and do not speak Russian. So the difference is small. And if you will notice, there are a few of those who lived in the USSR, who know our traditions and honor the norms and rules of life with Russians. Mostly rabble arrives. And then you hear something like "Buy E (watermelon, ticket, etc.). I personally have a lot of respect for educated people of any nationality (people on the site won't let lie), but I don't see them at all among Gaster."
        1. The gentleman
          The gentleman 13 January 2014 10: 52
          +3
          Quote: Mechanic
          Quote: Gentleman
          But how do you feel about educated, knowledgeable and fluent in Russian?
          I apologize for getting in. Educated and fluent in Russian, we begin to command the uneducated and do not speak Russian. So the difference is small. And if you will notice, there are a few of those who lived in the USSR, who know our traditions and honor the norms and rules of life with Russians. Mostly rabble arrives. And then you hear something like "Buy E (watermelon, ticket, etc.). I personally have a lot of respect for educated people of any nationality (people on the site won't let lie), but I don't see them at all among Gaster."

          I don’t deny it. I don’t think the actions of visitors who behave like sheep are right. I can assure you that they don’t allow themselves to do this in their homeland. They will immediately put them in their place. And it’s personally unpleasant for me when such people just disgrace others, and hence such an opinion about all visitors.
          1. Armata
            Armata 13 January 2014 11: 10
            +11
            Quote: Gentleman
            I don’t deny. I don’t think the actions of visitors who behave like and like sheep are right. I can assure you that they don’t allow themselves to do this in their homeland. They will immediately put them in their place.
            I believe in that. Only now, if the child behaves quietly and culturally at home, and on the street it becomes gouging, more importantly, the parents' opinion of the child or the opinion of society? 2 families of Kyrgyz live in my house. Some very nice, friendly people (they have been living here for 20 years, I know their son from the cradle). They greet everyone, if we clean the yard, go out to help. And the second family, they live in a one-room 5 man, at 2 at night they can stand under the window and bliss for the door to be opened (it’s not fate to call the intercom), recently I caught one of their families that he was pushing garbage into the urn at the entrance ( 100 meters to the cesspool) gave him a kick, then all the relatives (sisters, mom, dad, cat) screamed at the whole yard that they would sue. He took aside the older one (he is 6-10 years older than me) and said that next time he would get a pindule, not his relative. Literally a week later this shot ran into the slide, which was being built by the whole yard for children, got up to pee. A neighbor just cracked him into a melon without explanation. So what respect can there be for a child, a moron, even if he is so good at home?
          2. A. Yaga
            A. Yaga 13 January 2014 12: 45
            +3
            Quote: Gentleman
            I don’t deny it. I don’t think the actions of visitors who behave like sheep are right. I can assure you that they don’t allow themselves to do this in their homeland. They will immediately put them in their place. And it’s personally unpleasant for me when such people just disgrace others, and hence such an opinion about all visitors.


            You wrote everything correctly, only the accents were not placed correctly. Normal people behave like human beings everywhere, and not only at home, where you can get faces in the face from the elders (shepherds). These rams do not dishonor any others - others are exactly the same: the "guests" are cattle; houses - "in their own country they don’t allow themselves to do this. They will immediately put them in their place.""and hence the opinion of all visitors."
      4. predator.3
        predator.3 13 January 2014 11: 00
        +4
        Quote: Gentleman
        completely agree with this !!! and how do you feel about educated, knowledgeable and fluent in Russian?


        Yes, educated and smart, the house is full!
    2. Ukraine Glory
      Ukraine Glory 14 January 2014 07: 25
      0
      Quote: horoh
      The issue of gastara must be resolved as soon as possible, we here ... we don’t need a dark, uneducated mass, and even prone to Wahhabism !!!

      Recent events have shown a tendency towards Wahhabism for the local, Orthodox population, the uneducated mass knows very well what Wahhabism is, is afraid of the fire.
  12. Ihrek
    Ihrek 13 January 2014 10: 29
    +3
    Quote: Gentleman
    completely agree with this !!! and how do you feel about educated, knowledgeable and fluent in Russian?

    I put you a plus. But if you relate yourself to the above, then you have three errors in this comment consisting of two sentences. laughing
    1. Mairos
      Mairos 13 January 2014 10: 35
      +3
      Internet literacy is just a song. )) Sometimes I myself make mistakes involuntarily, then the keyboard jams, then there is no time to fix it or laziness-mother overcomes.
      1. Gunsmith
        Gunsmith 13 January 2014 11: 13
        +2
        No way! It is literacy on the Internet that is the measure of your attitude to you and your comments. I can be above the great and the mighty ... as part of the commentary - again because of my free possession. So do not quite know the Russian language and calculate.
        1. bomg.77
          bomg.77 13 January 2014 11: 24
          +3
          Quote: Gunsmith
          I can be

          Quote: Gunsmith
          speak Russian
          Are you sure that this is how we calculate wassat Probably after the holidays, the great and mighty (!) Is not so easy to give! laughing
        2. Fin
          Fin 13 January 2014 11: 53
          +3
          Quote: Gunsmith
          No way! It is literacy on the Internet that is the measure of your attitude to you and your comments. I can be above the great and the mighty ... as part of the commentary - again because of my free possession. So do not quite know the Russian language and calculate.

          Come on you get smart. Merlot relationship came up with. Then 70% of users of the site do not quite speak Russian. But Romanov should be excluded altogether; he wrote his surname with a small letter.
          1. washi
            washi 13 January 2014 12: 46
            +1
            Quote: Fin
            But Romanov should be excluded altogether; he wrote his surname with a small letter.

            This is not a surname, but an affiliation. So with a little
    2. The gentleman
      The gentleman 13 January 2014 10: 50
      +1
      Quote: Jamal
      Quote: Gentleman
      completely agree with this !!! and how do you feel about educated, knowledgeable and fluent in Russian?

      I put you a plus. But if you relate yourself to the above, then you have three errors in this comment consisting of two sentences. laughing

      if not difficult, please tell me
  13. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 13 January 2014 10: 49
    +2
    Quote: Starfish
    "It is noteworthy that the most stringent control of the train assigned to the Tajik Railways company is not carried out by Russian inspection services."

    Quote: Karavan
    For reference: according to the results of 2013, operational services seized more than 100 kg of drugs in the Dushanbe-Moscow train. Work well!

    Russia annually consumes about 70 tons of Afghan heroin, which is about 20% of the world’s consumption of this drug.


    The fight against drug trafficking and illegal migration all lies and one window dressing
  14. darksidewarrior
    darksidewarrior 13 January 2014 10: 50
    +4
    Asia needs educated, decent and hardworking Asians. They are obliged to work for the benefit of their home countries within those countries. After all, when they are severely asked to leave Russia, they will have nowhere to go. For them it will be "cheburets", if not more abruptly.
    1. Arhj
      Arhj 13 January 2014 21: 31
      0
      I don’t know how, in general, Central Asia needs people with higher education, and not so long ago a familiar Turkmen, complained that he had to go to study in Russia because he who received secondary specialized education in Turkmenistan has practically no chance of getting a higher education. There is no Internet in universities and almost no textbooks in Turkmen. In Russian, by the way, either. Together, history and philosophy was recently Rukhnama, now they are studying the role of Berdymukhamedov. Given the fact that recently the term of study at universities was two years. Imagine specialists.
  15. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 13 January 2014 11: 00
    +3
    Not so long ago, the site discussed the article "Do Russians Need a Motherland" written by Ahmed (I do not remember the last name), and so here is a counter question to citizens of neighboring countries not in a hurry to leave Russia: ...Do you need a homeland . winked
  16. kirgudu
    kirgudu 13 January 2014 11: 05
    0
    Hm. I don’t understand why not check the legality of being in the Russian Federation when buying a ticket?
  17. Oskar
    Oskar 13 January 2014 11: 51
    +7
    In addition to Tajiks, a huge number of Afghans with Tajik passports travel along this route (buying or receiving them is not a problem for them). These guys are going to Russia just to clean up the garbage!
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 13 January 2014 12: 27
      -2
      Quote: Oskar
      In addition to Tajiks, a huge number of Afghans with Tajik passports travel along this route (buying or receiving them is not a problem for them). These guys are going to Russia just to clean up the garbage!

      Something I did not meet the Afghans crowds hanging out at the train stations. It may be, but in scanty amounts, and even then rather fiction. hi
      1. Oskar
        Oskar 13 January 2014 14: 01
        +2
        You will not be able to track all visitors. Yes, and they’re not traveling for train parties, believe me.
        I received this information from two "independent" (ie separately) sources: power and administrative (of course, unofficially, they know this problem, but the party's strange line, alas, you yourself understand ...). hi
  18. adm656
    adm656 13 January 2014 12: 05
    +11
    I’ve lived in Uzbekistan for 25 years and always said, it’s my belief that there are peoples who can live independently, and there are who need Big Brother .. Uzbeks, Tajiks, Ukrainians, Moldovans ... All of them are not capable of independence ... they only know how to breed ... Uzbekistan, Tajikistan .. the richest countries, but to the point .. poverty, poverty .. I’m silent about Ukraine .. clowns .. there’s only enough brains on the Independence Square to shout .. Freedom, independence (mustakkilik, independence). Do you need them for hell? You are like children, you need a dad with a belt ..
    1. amigo1969
      amigo1969 13 January 2014 12: 13
      +3
      Very accurate and true !! I subscribe to every word !! In the above countries, I either served or regularly visit for work. I have my own term - "failed countries .." IMHO
  19. ed65b
    ed65b 13 January 2014 12: 25
    +4
    This garbage dump of illegal immigrants in Moscow will probably never be dismantled, there will not be enough money. The new ones should be kept out of the way and slowly get down to driving out illegal immigrants. A moratorium for 10 years should be introduced. Although personally I am not against an educated fluent Russian speaking Uzbek, Tajik, Kyrgyz, etc. in my own Russia. they are completely different people than those whom we are used to seeing on TV and slanderous programs about gastric like "Jamshud". Although it is precisely by "Jamshuds" that we draw conclusions about all the people. This is not the case. And the fact that the Uzbek customs officers and border guards shake the trains so I am all for it. the more they shake out, the less infection will get to us. but it's time to replace our linemen in full.
  20. Altona
    Altona 13 January 2014 12: 43
    +7
    Quote: romanru4
    And who will clean the garbage in Moscow? Our women prefer to give birth to managers (one), but they do not want cleaners.

    -------------------------
    40 thousand + housing (room) and from the regions so many people will come, do not wave away ... And enough for Peter ...
  21. AVV
    AVV 13 January 2014 14: 18
    +1
    Quote: Christian
    Migrant workers, the people do not need, but the oligarchs need. The oligarchs in the Russian Federation - in power - therefore, with this power, the delivery of migrants cannot be stopped!

    If you stop delivery, then the oligarchs will not go bankrupt, at least they will lose in excess of profit, and if forced to abroad. passports to travel and to buy medical poles, then the flow will decrease slightly !!! Yes, and taxes need to be paid if not migrants, then employers for them! That life would not seem like honey !!!
  22. virm
    virm 13 January 2014 14: 20
    0
    Who will explain. How is the branch from Tajikistan THROUGH AFGHANISTAN to Turkmenistan to simplify the way for Tajiks to Russia ???
  23. Forest
    Forest 13 January 2014 14: 40
    +2
    "In 2015, it is planned to implement a project on the construction of a railway line between Tajikistan and Turkmenistan through northern Afghanistan - bypassing Uzbekistan. "Most likely, not because of Uzbekistan, this path will be laid, but for direct supplies of the Afghan" national product ".
  24. Yura
    Yura 13 January 2014 15: 52
    +3
    Since January 1, a new law is in effect in the Russian Federation, according to which a “visa-free” migrant has the right to stay in Russia for no more than 90 days. After that, he must leave the Russian Federation, and he can return to the Russian Federation only after the 6 month has expired. The Federal Migration Service believes that the measure will allow to build a barrier for illegal immigrants. It remains to hope that this law is not just a paper ...
    Well, at least something was finally done. In general, the article recalled the incident that happened to me at the beginning of the XNUMXs, St. Petersburg, the newly built Ladoga station, the police captain checking my resident of the Novgorod region, first the documents, then the ticket for the train ticket for which I arrived in the city, then the ticket for the train for which I I’ll go home (by the way, a ticket home was bought on the day I arrived in St. Petersburg, I came to buy a computer for my son), I remember his disappointment on his face and grumbling about the fact that I have the right to stay in St. Petersburg for no more than three days from the time I arrived, at that while citizens of some independent republics by that time could have been on the territory of Russia ninety days from the moment of arrival. I was shaking with rage, but it was winter and the captain probably thought that I was cold, now I am warm at home and I am shaking and not at all reassured by the thought that the policeman was doing his job.
  25. No_more
    No_more 13 January 2014 16: 37
    +5
    Everything is simple:
    1. Emigrants may well be replaced by:
    Students
    Sentenced to community service (you need to use this more for hooligans, vandals, other minor violators)
    Tramps and homeless people (you need to socialize people who want this and help get out of this situation)
    2. Through Afghanistan, they will carry dope massively - as clear as a white day.
    3. Everything is as it is because the FMS, transport police and partially responsible persons from Russian Railways feed on migrants and they do not need any legalization.
  26. calocha
    calocha 13 January 2014 16: 38
    +3
    It’s necessary to raise the question with an edge, if you get it once, well, you can forgive two (not seriously) for the third one! (Deport) Let the diaspora pay the salary on the way back + fine for the behavior of the ward !!! hunting has ceased. Radikalov from Islam to press in mortal combat!
  27. individual
    individual 13 January 2014 17: 34
    +2
    To control labor migration, it is necessary to take a deposit (return fare).
    Then we can talk about their legal expulsion.
    1. Yura
      Yura 13 January 2014 19: 54
      0
      Quote: individ
      To control labor migration, it is necessary to take a deposit (return fare).

      Or they should already have pre-purchased a return ticket for any date from those ninety days that were given to them by law, and if one of them did not use this paid place to return, it can be used to deport illegal immigrants, in the end not those who leave on their ticket can be deported in the same way due to the same as he.
  28. Stinger
    Stinger 13 January 2014 18: 15
    +1
    That's the order after that Turksib! Here O. Bender and A.I.Koreyko are saving.
  29. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 13 January 2014 19: 44
    0
    if you get one, two
    I think enough time!
  30. alone
    alone 13 January 2014 21: 29
    +1
    Apparently it’s very, very difficult for the Russian government to abandon its integration ideas. Otherwise, a visa regime could have been introduced long ago. This is the only right solution that can solve the problem.
  31. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 13 January 2014 22: 04
    +1
    Well, that's it! All problems - "on the side", Happy New-Old and VERY YOUNG 2014, dear INTERVIEWERS! HOORAY! HOORAY! URRRRRA !!!!
  32. Federal
    Federal 14 January 2014 00: 08
    0
    I was brought to the Paveletsky railway station in the 10th year by accident, the planes were canceled in Donetsk because of another freezing rain .... I don't know how now, but I have not seen a more disgusting sight in my life ... Hordes of Asians, dirt, shit, wretchedness. I have not seen such a thing in my "poor" uraine anywhere ... Such emigration, this anti-advertising of Pu policy. It is strange that people do not understand such a simple, yet Moscow it will be a showcase of beautiful life, no one will go to TC .. Take this nigger s and make Russia a country of white Russian and you pulled all the white republic scoop and Black? This is a ballast ... giving nothing of blood, plus the ever-drinking dissatisfied .. Visa regime, and labor service for Russian drunks idlers, that's all the solution to the issue
  33. Ilja 22
    Ilja 22 14 January 2014 08: 44
    +1
    There is nothing for them to do with us, they don’t have to do it once, twice, “cheated”, how many such cases he did with “cheating”! It was rightly said above, not to let them in and expel them! If they lived like a human in our “guests” Because all the rabble is going, we don't want to work "for a penny", make your wages higher, and there will be many Slavic people who have an insane desire to work!)
  34. yastr
    yastr 15 January 2014 17: 12
    +1
    And how much money was withdrawn from me by the wonderful officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the lack of registration with St. Petersburg with my residence permit in the Tver region .. By the little things, by the penny, by 100 rubles, if possible ...