Oligarchs are not the cause of trouble, but their consequence. It is necessary to change in the "conservatory"

After reading the article about the oligarchic penal battalion, some ideas for discussion appeared. I would like to share them with the Military Review community. It is no secret that the premise of the oligarchy laid the party and administrative apparatus in the 1980-x.

To begin with, it is necessary to prohibit the executive branch from doing business. For example, in 1990, almost all military units became legal entities. About the police and security officials are not even talking (private security, technical inspections and other paid services - down).

Prohibit arbitration for individuals and legal entities.

Eliminate non-state BTI, ban private property appraisers more expensive 50 million rubles.

To make the FAS controlled by the society (the representatives of the Duma factions, scientists, engineers and social workers, urban planning experts in specialized positions on an electoral basis).

Make a list of priority topics in the legislation (from 101 to 1) and organize equal distribution on the agenda. The whole correspondence is for an unscheduled (emergency) meeting with all the members on the list. The absence of the deputy - the transfer of the meeting or a temporary solution. To pass laws concerning constitutional rights and national security to a referendum, with the adoption of a decision based on it, and not in the way it was with the collapse of the Union. By the way, it would be nice to give a legal assessment of the decisions on that referendum.

Put all officials and civil servants (and their families) on full state support (by status, but with a price limit) without the right to receive bonuses and salaries, personal housing and property - only retired. A good filter from the baryg in power. If you want luxury - raise the national economy. Ban the next of kin to do business. Those who want to work for people and the country will come. That is, they will give you everything, just work.

The rating (prestige) of the president is formed on the basis of the credit of trust: for example, 1000 points after the election, deduct 50 for each unfulfilled election promise in the program. Without an electoral program to prevent elections. When 500 is reached, re-election is prohibited. Less than 100 - impeachment (in Russian - expel). Control over the rating is entrusted to the Constitutional Court.

After this minimum, it is possible to take on the oligarchs by law. Autobiography, its verification by special services and fiscal authorities, initiation of cases (or refusal to do so), redemption of the former state enterprise at its purchase price, taking into account the old money index used by the Bank of Russia, plus modernization, minus depreciation and depreciation.

I think the measures will work, if, of course, after (or during) their adoption, something like a revolution, intervention, and the like does not happen.

The listed list is not exhaustive, but, in my opinion, necessary. I will be glad to constructive criticism.

Comments

[makarov]

SW namesake.
Of course it’s good that you are happy for the Fatherland, but only your priorities are painfully soft, number one, there should be a rope and not even soap, don’t hell with them and spend money on soap. In China, even the cost of cartridges is exacted from relatives of races of shot guns ..

[Alexander Romanov]

To create a rating (authority) of the president on the basis of a credit of trust: for example, 1000 points after the election, deduct 50 for each unfulfilled campaign promise in the program. Without an election program to the elections is not allowed. Upon reaching 500 - a ban on re-election. Less than 100 - impeachment
With such a system, endless elections and a complete decline in confidence in the authorities are waiting for us. The names of the presidents will be remembered tired.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

. Surnames of presidents to remember tired.

Hi Sanya. You are probably right with the presidents. But with deputies this is precisely the approach that is needed.

[Alexander Romanov]

Hi

Quote: Ingvar 72

But with deputies this is precisely the approach that is needed.

So tell me, why the heck are we all these so-called deputies? We don’t care about senators, a bunch of parasites who appear in the Duma once a year on a promise. To accept and think over the law, ten people will be enough. It's all nonsense, we’ll choose what and why. They’ll eat a lot, but Putin will be useless He won’t say what law is needed, they won’t move.

[Gardamir]

I’ve also been thinking for a long time. Why are these games of democracy? How can you choose (trust) a person you don’t know. Ideally, there is a head of state and ministers, and this is enough.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

So tell me, why the heck are we all these so-called deputies?

Well, the very idea of ​​delegating society to a person in power is not so bad. When a person who represents his land in a thought, a city defends the interests of his land. But with us everything is exactly the opposite - having come to power, the newly elected deputy completely forgets all his election slogans.

[varov14]

Perhaps I agree with the previous commentator. Why do we need such a thought, there is no smell of self-government here. I am for, on a public basis, like the former Supreme Council. And now - the candidate is nominated by money, a beautiful portrait is being painted, devoted to money, the media. And only then the people choose their more beautifully painted "guardian".

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Well, the very idea of ​​delegating society to a person is not so bad
But with us everything is exactly the opposite - having come to power, the newly elected deputy completely forgets all his election slogans

So our deputies just do not choose - we have to choose a party.

[ekzorsist]

But why the hell is such a bunch of these parties?
Maybe one is enough? Well, there will be fewer show-offs.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: ekzorsist

But why the hell is such a bunch of these parties?
Maybe one is enough? Well, there will be fewer show-offs.

By and large, parties are not needed at all - we need people's deputies involved in voicing goals and monitoring the process of achieving them (the very Soviets), we need a government consisting of professionals in our fields that is realizing our goals, and we need a supreme coordinator (that was Stalin).

[Nick]

Quote: Ingvar 72

we have everything exactly the opposite - having come to power, the newly elected deputy completely forgets all his election slogans.

This is why it is necessary to provide for a viable procedure for recalling such, sorry, "delaputes"

[Egoza]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

So tell me, why the heck are we all these so-called deputies?

The so-called - are not needed. We need real ones! Those that were under I.V. Stalin! Which could convey the truth about the state in the region, district, village. True, they were chosen not by party lists, but by place of residence. And they chose people whom they KNEW AND RESPECT! Which could state the demands of their constituents. These are needed. But in modern conditions, we need a mechanism for recalling deputies who do nothing. And by the way, in this case, the system of election of deputies in China is very suitable.

[cdrt]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Hi

Quote: Ingvar 72

But with deputies this is precisely the approach that is needed.

So tell me, why the heck are we all these so-called deputies? We don’t care about senators, a bunch of parasites who appear in the Duma once a year on a promise. To accept and think over the law, ten people will be enough. It's all nonsense, we’ll choose what and why. They’ll eat a lot, but Putin will be useless He won’t say what law is needed, they won’t move.

Well, this is just nonsense.
For "the Duma is not a place for discussion" (c) Gryzlov
Actually, in theory, parliament is a platform where representatives of all the more or less influential political groups are biting among themselves.
Well, since we have a united Russia with comrades with pre-assigned roles, it turns out - "no place for discussion".
Well, and as a result, in this form, a thought is rather a rudiment instead of the corresponding body.

[Stalnov I.P.]

The title speaks for itself, it is necessary to change the conservatory, that is, the government’s approach to the development of the country, everyone is tired of the mess, 2% of GDP is just a shame for a country that owns more than 30% of the world's natural resources, herd comrades (gentlemen) are the first leaders, it’s a shame!

[SunSanBel2003]

In my opinion, the opposite is true. Yes, they, like squirrels in a wheel, stamp the laws that they receive from Putin - they have been doing this for 13 years. So that everything that is done with us and with the country by those who order music is as if by law. In general, for 13 years the people have chosen only those in the Duma and have chosen whom Putin will point out to them. And in the Federation Council, he directly appoints all billionaires. To whom are you complaining? And one more thing: what about the Presidential Administration - is it starving? But the Public Chamber, which for some reason was planted on our neck, is not getting fat? Where in our vertical skinny something found?

[Fin]

Absence of a deputy - postponement of the meeting or interim decision.

I can’t look at reports from the Duma without anger. About 40 people sit, walk, play on phones, nobody listens to speakers. The law is put to a vote - running around with cards begins. Voting is over - all in favor, the law written by the 8th assistant passed. Zadolbali, cut in 2 times, a pass without UP - nah from the Duma.

[olviko]

"I can not look at reports from the Duma without anger"

Joke on the topic:
Moscow. Bung. Knock on the window. -What do you want? -Terrorists captured the state. I think! -Well?? -Require 10 million dollars! -Well? - Otherwise, they will pour gasoline over them all and burn them up !!! Give as much as you can !!! - Well ... I can give 5 liters of gasoline! ..

[cdrt]

Quote: olviko

"I can not look at reports from the Duma without anger"

Joke on the topic:
Moscow. Bung. Knock on the window. -What do you want? -Terrorists captured the state. I think! -Well?? -Require 10 million dollars! -Well? - Otherwise, they will pour gasoline over them all and burn them up !!! Give as much as you can !!! - Well ... I can give 5 liters of gasoline! ..

+100500
especially anecdote to the topic when you are standing from 18-00 to 20-00 on B. Kamenny bridge to the center.
As I understand it, at this time, the Duma, the Federation Council and the Presidential Adm. Go home and, accordingly, the movement in this direction stops to death.

[cdrt]

The article is some drunken confusion. It is very similar to the outpouring of a person who was tormented with the sale of some real estate object, came home and, having missed 100 grams, decided to pour out his soul in writing.

Not to mention that at least a few measures will lead to the exact opposite result than the one that the author himself wants to get.

Particularly delivered a way to form the president’s rating.
I immediately remembered:
"so that words do not diverge from deeds, you need to be silent and do nothing"
And actually, to whom did the president’s rating surrender?
If only in the form of a certificate of honor to issue at the end

[yehat]

You are trying to take revenge, but does it really help somehow?
Satisfying your emotions with killing is not good.
The oligarchs became the same cogs in the vertical of power or the vertical of robbery, as I understand it, built by no means by them.
It is necessary to punish those who created it, supported and lobbied, but did not use.

[varov14]

yehat.y-- I want to become a cog. Well dear, you give. Oligarchs are cogs, at least one should take aspirin. This is the power of one of the dowels of money. Money and self-interest build everything, the rest either dance or watch from the side. Don't be so naive, turn everything upside down. “It is necessary to punish those who created, supported and lobbied, but did not use.” - and so all this is money, self-interest.

[cdrt]

Quote: varov14

yehat.y-- I want to become a cog. Well dear, you give. Oligarchs are cogs, at least one should take aspirin. This is the power of one of the dowels of money. Money and self-interest build everything, the rest either dance or watch from the side. Don't be so naive, turn everything upside down. “It is necessary to punish those who created, supported and lobbied, but did not use.” - and so all this is money, self-interest.

And you better see who is at the helm of the largest Russian companies - not the oligarchs, but the former security forces, government officials. The oligarchs have long been no longer in the lead.

[Hudo]

Quote: makarov

In China, even the cost of cartridges is exacted from relatives of races of shot guns ..

In-in! If it is necessary to change in the "conservatory", then in front of the "conservatory" two "Maxim" machine guns will obviously not be superfluous - so that the "canned food" does not creep.

[Ingvar 72]

The ideas are sound, but utopian.

Absence of a deputy - postponement of the meeting or interim decision

Not really, not a single meeting will be held.

Put all officials and civil servants (and members of their families) on full state security (by status, but with a price limit) without the right to receive bonuses and salaries, private housing and property - only in retirement

Under capitalism, it’s not real either. Plus to the author, only for the pursuit of justice.

[Vadivak]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Plus to the author, only for the pursuit of justice.

In my opinion, the author described the Belarusian model

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vadivak

In my opinion, the author described the Belarusian model

Hi Vadim. Seem to be. But it will not work with our deputies. The old man of his deputies masturbates, but on the contrary, they all put a head and shoulders on the head of the country, there is no one to rely on the poor president for, a fifth column around. So he fights, poor thing, issues decrees, but for some reason they are sabotaged. Well, no way to cope with the fifth column, scum.

[varov14]

Ingvar 72.mu An organ that functions poorly or does not function at all is cut out and replaced with another. The body is paid, costly, and there is little use, so the damage should be minimized. Without an organ, of course, it is impossible, so it is necessary to make it, albeit on an elective, but social basis. Those wishing to work this way will be sharply reduced. It is necessary to plow somewhere, and even ride in a session. And the quality of laws will probably not change much, other people write. And if you look at a bare idea, they will be more meaningful.

[alone]

Quote: Ingvar 72

but on the contrary, we all laid head on the head of the country, there is no one to rely on the poor president for, the fifth column is around. So he fights, poor thing, issues decrees, but for some reason they are sabotaged. Well, no way to cope with the fifth column, scum.

)), as always, the Tsar is good, and the boyars are thieves and traitors))

[Sour]

Quote: Vadivak

In my opinion, the author described the Belarusian model

The Belarusian model exists only at the expense of Russia's handouts in the form of loans (constantly renewed), a duty-free Russian market and free Russian oil. By itself, the Belarusian model is not viable and artificial.

[Fin]

Quote: Sour

The Belarusian model exists only at the expense of Russia's handouts in the form of loans (constantly renewed), a duty-free Russian market and free Russian oil. By itself, the Belarusian model is not viable and artificial.

But a whole generation grew up and saw the social. state. I am glad that Belarus has a budget. the loot is under control. Dad would have a dozen billion. He would have put the whole industry on its feet. And we have a teaspoon a year, only officials are getting fatter.

[Sour]

Quote: Fin

I am glad that Belarus has a budget. the loot is under control.

In many ways, this is the loot of Russian taxpayers, including mine.
So it does not please me. I didn’t choose Lukashenko, why should he control my money?

[Fin]

Quote: Sour

I didn’t choose Lukashenko, why should he control my money?

Well, in vain. Not everything is measured by money. I see this as helping the neighboring fraternal people, and the toad does not crush. In the case of a campaign of democratizers, they will always be the first to meet.

[Sour]

Quote: Fin

I see this as helping the neighboring fraternal people, and the toad does not crush. In the case of a campaign of democratizers, they will always be the first to meet.

In the event of a campaign of democratizers, the "father" will surrender to them first.
He hates Russia. It is written on his mustached mug when he speaks of Russia.
Sorry, but I don't believe in "fraternal peoples". While we keep them, they are brothers, but not a second further.
And then they will spit in our direction and call all Russian aid "the yoke of Motskalsk". They will say: "Yes, we would have long been in the family of civilized peoples, if not for Moscow."
Do you think otherwise? Yes, for God's sake, your right.

[dark_65]

more will be. that's for sure

[zzz]

What did you want for such a short time? Yes, and spread rot Belarus from all sides. They will be given time and support; they will be no worse than Germany.

[cdrt]

Quote: Vadivak

Quote: Ingvar 72

Plus to the author, only for the pursuit of justice.

In my opinion, the author described the Belarusian model

Well, to the Belarusian model, for completeness, you need to add the presence of periodic payments (tributes) to people associated with the local KGB ...

[yehat]

under what capitalism? when wild? Did we really want him?
The best option for the Russian Federation is capitalism with a social bias, as in the Scandinavian countries. Why did you do it there? Climatic and resource conditions similar to the Russian Federation. However, it would be a mistake to make too centralized power (including financial). Need real federalism

[Egoza]

Quote: yehat

The best option for the Russian Federation is capitalism with a social bias

Minus - from me. Capitalism will never be the best option for Russia. There is no justice and fairness under capitalism, even with a social bias. Namely, the desire for these qualities lies at the heart of the Russian soul. Any capitalism, sooner or later, will show its wolfish grin and will tighten the screws, according to the principle "we gave you social security - sit and be satisfied, otherwise we will take it away." Sorry, but this is not for us.

[Valkyrie]

I agree with you, shake my hand! I think the same as you. Old Man would be happy to return socialism in Belarus, but he could not do it without the support of Russia. Therefore, there is precisely such an option for the economy.

[Sour]

Quote: Egoza

Capitalism will never be the best option

The problem (for you) is that capitalism is now everywhere except North Korea and Cuba. Even Cuba is slowly turning socialism away.
Socialism proved its impasse, and humanity put an end to it. All the arguments about what is supposedly socialism in China are either from ignorance or from deceit. China is developing dynamically precisely because it has abandoned socialism. From it there remained only a one-party system. An economy based on total state control and leveling has shown its failure everywhere.

[zart_arn]

The author is naivety itself. It was the oligarchs who created the existing state model and its premises, so all the wishes of the author will remain utopian.

[Vadivak]

Quote: zart_arn

The author is naive. Therefore, all the wishes of the author will remain utopian.

And all honest people are naive.

[zart_arn]

And all honest people are naive

Not quite so, a naive person and an idealist are not the same thing. Therefore, perhaps, it would be more correct "all honest people are idealists"?

[nickname 1 and 2]

Quote: Vadivak

And all honest people are naive.

All NORMAL people know that after the 8 car 9!

And - the thief should be in prison - however = not sitting.

in short: if YOU are a normal person do not dare to speculate on how to build a society!

[Cpa]

Quote: nick 1 and 2

All NORMAL people know that after the 8 car 9!

Have you been on a train for a long time?

Quote: nick 1 and 2

in short: if YOU are a normal person do not dare to speculate on how to build a society!

That is, stand in silence!

[varov14]

Vadivak.y --- Is honesty and naivety synonymous, so this is a hole from which you can not get out.

[domokl]

Quote: zart_arn

The author is naivety itself

I don’t think so. The author is a left utopian socialist. And we live in a state with a right deviation. Therefore, it seems that ideas are crazy.

[major071]

 domokl
Quote: zart_arn
The author is naivety itself
I don’t think so. The author is a left utopian socialist. And we live in a state with the right bias. Therefore, it seems that ideas are crazy.

Alexander, good afternoon! That's it, that in a state with a bias. We must already stop evading, and stand straight.

[Kiliny]

Interesting proposals, the question of who would bring them to the people elected, and they would not want to tear themselves away from the feeder ...

[Christian]

Let me remind you, the Spirit creates its form! If we have the lion's majority of people sleeping and seeing personal enrichment at all costs, nothing good will come of any reform! Only the spiritual and moral recovery of society on the basis of Orthodoxy is the way out !!!

[Vadivak]

Quote: Christian

Only spiritual and moral recovery of society on the basis of Orthodoxy is the way out

I agree, but for this, people in the Church must understand that the head of the Church is still Christ,

[the polar]

Quote: Christian

Only the spiritual and moral recovery of society on the basis of Orthodoxy is the way out !!!

And Orthodoxy has morally "recovered" many people in two thousand years? Especially in power!

[fisherman]

And Orthodoxy has morally "recovered" many people in two thousand years? Especially in power!

if to the people, then a lot

if you mean power, then, in my opinion, it is generally impossible to heal)

moreover, this is not the primary goal of the Church

if it’s not difficult for you, then name the idea (or theory, or religion, or secular teaching) that could achieve your goals ...

thank you in advance for your response :)

[Orik]

To begin with, it is necessary to prohibit the conduct of executive power commercial activities.

Deny then ban, and who to give ?! Is she power, to herself ?! Rave.

[Cpa]

Well, the deputies were forbidden to engage in commercial activities.

[nerd.su]

So they stopped! Offshore companies were created so that officials and deputies could engage in commercial activities.

[Uncle lee]

These will be very unpopular methods among deputies and oligarchs!

[vlad.svargin]

Pavel Krylov is right, the main thing is to knock out the ground for profit from the officials, then any "scum" will not strive for power. But this is still a fantasy, not for that they made a "liberal-fascist" coup, so that it would be so easy to give up power with a good "feeding trough". They will defend the "conquests" by all available means of the "fifth column" of the West, which will always support not only "morally" (if one can call it that).

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vlad.svargin

Pavel Krylov is right, the main thing is to knock out the ground for profit from officials, then any "scum" will not strive for power

This has never happened anywhere else in history, otherwise communism would have come on the earth long ago. It is simply impossible. Lobby exists everywhere, even where the level of corruption is low (officially). Power in itself is more than money.

Quote: vlad.svargin

They will defend the "conquests" with all available means of the "fifth column" of the West,

And who is the fifth column of the West?

[domokl]

A beautiful summary ... But on the issues ... 1. Executive power and commerce ... I agree completely ... Where there is an additional source of income, there are those who want to shake it ... 2. Non-state BTI. This is a moot point. appraisers work as they want, but in such a wording, it will probably be more correct — when making transactions related to the purchase (sale) of real estate, enterprises and other assets subject to assessment by the competent authorities, introduce a mandatory assessment by the State authorities, under the supervision of the Federal Tax Service and other supervisory bodies ... 3. FAS ... Here the issue is generally complicated. And the control of society will not help. I think the FAS should be controlled by a special unit (department) of the FSB ... 4. Priority topics ... This is work for years. Directions, maybe ... Only this is now, it is only determined by the president. 5. Questions of national security and a referendum? How do you imagine this? Specialists should deal with such issues. The crowd (excuse me for such an attitude towards the people) is decisive jury trial will remind you of any questions. And we see the results of the activity of such courts ... 6. State security of officials? And who will determine what kind of security should have which official? Rank? And then, if the official is dismissed from work by non-compliance, put in 40 years old, what will he stay with? And yet, a good manager costs a dozen, if not a hundred, directors of small firms raising the national economy. 7. President rating ... Here, excuse me, complete nonsense. Keeping promises? And objective factors? Today there is money for the defense industry, and tomorrow, fie , pah-earthquake or flood, or another natural or man-made disaster ... Money went to salvation, recovery. And what will happen to the rating?
In short, in my opinion, in that heap of proposals that you have expressed there are sound thoughts .. Which are worth thinking about. But most are simply populism ...

[Cpa]

Quote: domokl

President’s rating ... Here, excuse me, complete nonsense. Fulfilling promises? And objective factors? Today there is money for the defense industry, and tomorrow, pah, pah-earthquake or flood, or another natural or man-made disaster ... Money went to salvation, recovery. And what will happen to the rating?

Now let him give real promises, force majeure can be organized.

Quote: domokl

.Official provision of officials? And who will determine what kind of security should an official have? Rank? And then, if an official is dismissed from work by non-compliance, let's put in 40 years, what will he remain with?

But now they leave, having provided great-grandchildren.

[Cpa]

Quote: domokl

And then, if an official is dismissed from work due to non-compliance, let's put in 40 years, with what will he be left?

By the way, what will happen to the military in this case?

[dark_65]

The author of course is an angry person, to offer this to our officials , but there’s zero populism, everything would be fine if they accepted, but this will not happen.
2 point is very necessary
3 Without a doubt, it is necessary. Now the face does not really work.
5 point is optional, enough working others.
6 State security is the most reasonable topic. (What are our good managers now?)
7 Do not touch the President, since under such conditions, Dima will not run, not really.

[Byordovvv1]

Your words to Pavel, yes to the president in the ears! Clever, fair, rational!

[Cpa]

So, I, Vyacheslav, didn’t write for the president, but for all of you, in order to give rise to the idea in people's thoughts. Then in the minds of people it will become more beautiful than before. And if a president like us reaches him.

[Valery Neonov]

Liked about points:1000 points after the election, deduct 50 for each unfulfilled campaign promise in the program. Without an election program to the elections is not allowed. Upon reaching 500 - a ban on re-election. Less than 100 - impeachment -response to pension (latest) reform.... And the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation there’s nothing at all to do, how to count points ...

[da113]

Would go sideways, these oligarchs! You can’t get these cockroaches out of Russia, without nanayads ...

[bomg.77]

The rating (prestige) of the president is formed on the basis of the credit of trust: for example, 1000 points after the election, deduct 50 for each unfulfilled election promise in the program. Without an electoral program to prevent elections. When 500 is reached, re-election is prohibited. Less than 100 - impeachment (in Russian - expel). Control over the rating is entrusted to the Constitutional Court.

I want to ask the author, from what time does the counting start? Suppose the president promised to raise pensions, he can fulfill his promise at the end of the term, if the promise does not include the deadlines for fulfillment. And yet, what if there is a war or some other cataclysm or a global crisis that is not possible to influence?

[Cpa]

The question of the time frame is important only for impeachment, the rest is the result at the end of the presidency. Who would be worse off if the candidate indicates the deadline for promises? I repeat the force majeure, it can also be arranged, so the decision will be made by the body conducting the calculations.

[Sour]

Quote: bomg.77

Let's say the president promised to raise pensions

It's easier to take and raise pensions for everyone. What is the use of it? National income from this will not increase. Prices will simply skyrocket, and that’s it. Only inadequate thinks. that pensions do not increase because of someone’s greed.

[svoi]

The article is ingenuous and idealistic, for any suggestion of the author, a brainy Russian lawyer, a native of a poor Jewish family, will immediately find 10-12 ways "to eat a fish and get to know a girl" in general, in my opinion, corruption, oligarchy are rooted phenomena in the days of Byzantium, (no, what good to learn).

[Cpa]

Quote: svoi

The article is ingenuous and idealistic, for any suggestion of the author, a brainy Russian lawyer, a native of a poor Jewish family, will immediately find 10-12 ways "to eat a fish and get to know a girl" in general, in my opinion, corruption, oligarchy are rooted phenomena in the days of Byzantium, (no, what good to learn).

Write a realistic action plan.

[fisherman]

The article is simple-minded and idealistic, for any suggestion of the author, a brainy Russian lawyer, a native of a poor Jewish family, will immediately find 10-12 ways "to eat a fish and meet a girl"

You are smart, you feel that you are "over 18 years old")

sometimes I go to this site to laugh heartily, how many naive people still believe that by rearranging the places of various "isms" (ie, communism, socialism, capitalism, feudalism ... democracy) people will stop sinning

"who thinks about profit, he multiplies evil" (Confucius)

[222222]

"It is necessary to change in the" conservatory ""
1. Disassemble the "Conservatory" into pebbles.
2. Dissolve the orchestra ..
3. Take the conductor’s stick from the Conductor ..
Within the framework of the capitalist economic system, "whatever you do, things don't go" ..

[Sour]

Quote: 222222

Within the framework of the capitalist economic system "whatever you do, things don't go."

In the framework of the socialist economic system, I personally lived many times worse than now. You can’t even compare. And I'm not the only one, I assure you. If your situation is different, then this is a feature of your biography, and not at all a basis for far-reaching conclusions.

[222222]

Sour SU Today, 14:03 ↑
It's not about smelly soup sets and blue chickens (but without antibiotics) .And today's abundance of sausages at a price lower than the cost of KG meat (since there is NO meat in them). The matter was completely different .. The main thing was confidence in the future .. It was possible to live today and make plans for the future .... Yes, and the truth could be found .. Yes, and people were much kinder and eyes were completely different than now ... And Now I have never left the entrance. so that someone does not rummage through garbage bins .. And medicine .. something I have not seen before. so that the whole world would collect children for an operation .. don’t you consider it a disgrace for the authorities of a rich state. in which the whole world would collect children for an operation (him, the state, the future) so that He lives?
The state for the whole society or for a handful of the elect? That is the question .. Under capitalism, how not to pout and not puff IT, the state will be for a handful of the elect ..

[Sour]

Quote: 222222

Under capitalism, do not pout and puff IT, the state will be for a handful of the elect ..

Under your canine socialism it was exactly the same.
If not worse.
Party bosses, generals, and just crooks ate from the belly, overeating delicacies and resting abroad.
And my grandmother received a pension of 23 rubles, some pensioners received 12-15 rubles. One ruble could buy 4 loaves of bread.
Now I live as a person. I do not deny myself anything. The standard of living that I have, with a scoop, could not even imagine.
And if losers and loafers are different, then this is their problem. They will live like that in any system. Of course, if they do not become bosses, due to the correct speeches at the party meeting.

[222222]

Sour SU Today, 15:13 ↑
"With your doggy socialism."
... new post-Soviet "democracies" have been living by the affairs of this socialism for 22 years without building anything new ... and the world is ridiculous with their foolishness ...

[Sour]

And yet, there was inequality and poverty.
And most importantly, hopelessness. Dead end development path.
Whoever dreams of returning to this impasse is the enemy of humanity. Except for the DPRK and Cuba, everyone has already abandoned it. And Cuba is already refusing. There is more and more "right bias". Fidel will leave, and the khan in general to socialism.

[Motors1991]

Well, where were such pensions? At least 70 rubles. Do you probably think that everyone was born here after 1991? You are mistaken, there are many of us and there is nothing to compare with, and the comparison is not in your favor. I can advise the author to read the works of V.I. Lenin, the seer was.

[SRC P-15]

Quote: Sour

Now I live as a person. I do not deny myself anything. The standard of living that I have, with a scoop, could not even imagine.

You, as I understand it, probably have your own business? I say this for what: by the way you call your country "scoop", so it is usually called by those who were not allowed to roam at that time. For example, farmers. Why did the Soviet power annoy you so much? If you lived at that time, then probably you received education for free, housing? Now you're kicking your country that raised you. How disgusting and low it is. After all, there are people who do not live as beautifully as you, and did not live better before, but they will not call their country like a "scoop". They still call it Russia. You are, apparently, a real capitalist and working professions are alien to you. It is because of these that the Great Country collapsed.

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Sour

Now I live as a person. I do not deny myself anything. The standard of living that I have, with a scoop, could not even imagine

[Sour]

Quote: 222222

The main thing was confidence in the future.

And this confidence was based not on realities, but on the mass deception of the population by the Communists.
The time came, and it turned out that this confidence was worthless.

[taseka]

If the oligarch 70% does not give to charity in Russia, then he must be re-educated along the path of Khodorkovsky!

[runway]

Well, what does the author propose to change in the "conservatory"?
Yes, actually nothing.
A law prohibiting the conduct of commercial activities by persons working in government structures already exists! So what? Will you order another law?
Until the principles are implemented - state ownership of natural resources; state ownership of fixed assets; full accountability of state structures to public organizations ..., any talk about changes in the "conservatory" is not worth a damn.

[Cpa]

You write about goals, I wrote about methods. We think the same thing.
If you call for a bloodbath, then without me.

[BOB48]

Cool, however, and not far from triples!

[Sour]

There are oligarchs in any large country. And even in not very large ones.
If anything, the 2nd place in the number of billionaires in the world is occupied by China, from which many forum users are delighted, as from an exemplary state. Even without Hong Kong, it is second only to the United States in this indicator.

[Cpa]

Let them be, but they themselves will earn money, and not by borrowing money from the state to purchase its property. Or worse, by appropriating it in administrative order.

[Sour]

Quote: KPA

Let them be, but they themselves will earn

Are you serious? Do you think that the Chinese oligarchs beloved by the Communists earned their own billions? You won’t become an oligarch in one life. You actually suggest not having big capital in the economy. It is difficult to regard this differently than economic illiteracy.

[Cpa]

Quote: Sour

Are you serious? Do you think that the Chinese oligarchs beloved by the Communists earned their own billions? You won’t become an oligarch in one life. You actually suggest not having big capital in the economy. It is difficult to regard this differently than economic illiteracy.

Does your economic literacy consider secured auctions under state loans as the best model for the formation of large capital in Russia?

[222222]

Sour SU Today, 14:23 pm ↑ "It is difficult to assess this other than economic illiteracy."
where are we to economic literacy .. well, complete laymen .. "We slurp soup with bast" Economically literate in the USA, every half a year they adopt a law after monthly debates and increase the amount of public debt, and along the way they turn on a machine for green beads with a cost of 8 cents thing .. and get what they want for them ...

[Sour]

Quote: 222222

Sour SU Today, 14:23 pm ↑ "It is difficult to assess this other than economic illiteracy."
where are we to economic literacy .. well, complete laymen .. "We slurp soup with bast" Economically literate in the USA, every half a year they adopt a law after monthly debates and increase the amount of public debt, and along the way they turn on a machine for green beads with a cost of 8 cents thing .. and get what they want for them ...

Tell this silly snotty kids with a secondary education about this nonsense about the "almighty Fed printing press". If anything, the United States has recently been doing nothing but cutting costs. In 2012, the military budget was cut by 70 billion, last year by another 40 billion. Over the past 20 years, they have reduced the number of their troops abroad by 2,2 times, from 570 thousand to 330 have reduced the personnel of the Navy. The tonnage of the fleet over the same years has been reduced by half, the number of aircraft carriers by one and a half times. Last year alone, the number of combat aircraft was reduced by 12%. Tell your fairy tales to ignoramuses and Internet chatters. And here there are people who are in the subject.

[222222]

Sour SU Today, 14:44 pm ↑ "Tell this silly snotty kids with a secondary education about this" almighty Fed printing press. "
Are you so frantic?
= 1.US $ 526,800,000,000
2. The European Union 300 745 000 000 dollars
3 PRC 114,200,000,000
4 RF 71,200,780,000
China and the Russian Federation for 2013
= the same for the bases (in connection with the end of the war in Iraq). aircraft carriers. to airplanes (they simply worked out their term). etc

[Sour]

Quote: 222222

aircraft carriers. to airplanes (they simply worked out their term). etc

What new did not order? What is easier - imprinted money, and all things?
And why couldn’t they accept the budget, even with three attempts? since everything is so simple, everything is decided by printing money?
No one will uncontrolledly circulate dollars, because this will lead to the rejection of the dollar as a global currency. Do you even understand this?
Stop repeating fairy tales about the Fed, this is the same Central Bank, like the Russian one, only there are more assets. And the Fed does not print money, this is done by the "Federal Bureau of Engraving and Printing", one hundred percent state structure subordinate to the government. And the head of the FRS is appointed by the president for 4 years, and is not elected at the gangway of bankers, as Internet fools believe.
There are a lot of people like you who know nothing about the Fed, and only this excuses you. This ignorance, by the way, supports TV in Russia and Ukraine. Someone benefits from this ignorance.
You, hike, just do not understand the meaning of money. This is just paper for you. Although you probably do not refuse salaries. This suggests that real life and your knowledge of it are in irreconcilable contradiction.

[Sour]

And I will add more. Once again I was convinced that the entire ideology of "fighters" and "protestors" is based on deep ignorance and ignorance of real facts, or on their deliberate suppression. Stop living in the fictional world of internet lies, face the facts. Don't have the courage to do this? Then say so: "We, communists, are just cowards and liars who fear the truth like fire. All our chatter is based on lies that we ourselves have invented."
You can minus as much as you like. When there are no arguments, this is the only thing left.

[222222]

Sour SU Today, 15:09 ↑
1. Do not be nervous .. you need to destroy your psyche. For what ?
2. No need to hang tags. It does not paint an educated person.
3. No need to insult strangers on the forums .. It only makes you funny.
4. Do not forbid other people to have their own opinions and beliefs that are different from yours.
.. if it becomes unbearable - go out into the fresh air .. I think you are not confined to a computer?
Yes . forget - you haven't read Ron Paul "Ending the Fed" or NV Starikov's book "Saving the Dollar - War". “Nationalization of the ruble. The path to freedom of Russia ".. ???

[Sour]

Quote: 222222

Do not forbid other people to have their own opinions and beliefs that are different from yours.

Did I forbid anyone to do this? Where and when?
This is for you, komunyakam, give free rein, you prohibit any dissent. You and the Internet prohibit.

[222222]

Sour SU Today, 15:24 ↑ "This is for you, komunyakam, give free rein, .."
Well, finally you could not stand it ..
"Show your face gulchitay"
This is the terminology of Bandera on the UNIAN forums .. Even UNIAN could not resist and closed its forums from them. ((UNIAN: "In connection with the frequent provocations and inciting ethnic hatred in the comments, we decided to temporarily disable the ability to comment on materials on the site.))

[Sour]

I am an anti-communist and I have never hidden it. This is my true face. And to Bandera I have the same attitude as to the Communists are coming out. Both those and others profess a consumerist attitude towards Russia. Only Bandera hate any Russia, and the commies are coming out of the present, real Russia, which for them is "Putin's and oligarchic". Russia (I mean the people, not the crazy president) does not want to feed Russophobes of all stripes, no matter what kind of "ensign" they have - red or black and red. For me, some are not better than others.
And for me, Russia is always its own country, regardless of who is in power. This komunyuka is ready to defend Russia only when he likes power, and does not like it — he is ready to ruin Russia (here he is no different from the Vlasov man), in 1917 it was. And normal Russian always for Russia.
And I’ll add. No one gave komunyaks the right to privatize this site. Everyone can speak out here.

[222222]

Sour SU Today, 15:40 ↑
"I am an anti-communist." .. is it not easier to write - “Russian nationalist?” What's wrong with that?
Regarding the privatization of the site, as you put it, these are glitches .. It happens ... like there in the famous film "And You Will Be Cured"

[Sadikoff]

There are certain types of development of a social society, the construction of capitalism goes through the formation of certain relations of layers.
it's like a chemical or physical process, you just have to go through it. Building an ideal society is impossible, because nobody needs it. There must be both good and bad, so that people strive for something, strive for something. Everyone will have a Ferrari, in a villa, on a yacht — if people become satisfied, society stops developing and dies. And if they are still dissatisfied, then let something be missing, let there be a shortfall (A. Raikin). People should always compete, and some are not shy with white gloves difficult to compete with.

[222222]

On January 11, I watched Gordon's program "TV program" on a Zombie box, visiting Dmitry Gordon "This time with the former President of Ukraine LM Kravchuk.
G: "Lenid Makrovich, why do the worst come to power?"
K: "They are more cheeky ... They have no boundaries .. They stop at nothing .. They pay .. They walk over corpses .."
read-a very historically informative program ..
http://www.gordon.com.ua/tv/l-kravchuk/

[Stinger]

I don’t know how now, but earlier it was called attic philosophy. In a system in which the results of labor of a huge number of people are appropriated by the owners of the means of production, no poultices will help. The authorities will always serve those who have money, because without their support you will not get into power structures. Let someone try to win the election without money.

[colonel manuch]

Therefore, the President is the guarantor of the Constitution (Shakhraevskaya), so nothing will happen in the foreseeable future. The composition of the Duma and the Senate certainly makes one wish for the best, but the idea of ​​the Supreme Council, on a public basis (almost like in the USSR) freeloaders, ghouls and parasites, could push the authorities away .

[vovan50]

Yuri Mukhin writes: “... the world will perish if it does not begin to move towards communism. In the 60s, an experiment was conducted in the USSR on a communist dormitory, which for some reason was covered very sparingly. On the Norwegian island of Svalbard, the USSR took a concession for coal mining, and there was our colony there. Experienced specialists were sent, and, of course, people went there for money, that is, far from refined unrefined. In this colony there were shops in which, of course, everything was sold for money. Experimenters placed the Soviet colony of Svalbard in conditions similar to communism - they announced that all goods can be taken for free if necessary. At first, everyone rushed to snap, especially the shortage of caviar, filter cigarettes, etc. But the experimenters persistently filled the shops again and again. And then people calmed down and began to take exactly as much as they needed. But the main thing was ahead. After some time, they began to take less goods for free than before! True, these were Soviet people who, at least, received schooling under Stalin, and not the current Russians. Nevertheless, even today an animal that has not yet developed to the level of man can say that communism is impossible. ”

[fisherman]

that communism is impossible, can only be an animal that has never developed to the level of man. ”

why is it impossible? it is very possible, the main thing is that from the other side of the counter they do not forget to bring the so-called "foreign exchange goods")

[vovan50]

Even those who are against communism in their hearts are still in favor. Well, we have such a mentality, we all dream of happiness, of justice. I understand that this idea is now discredited for a long time, but it will break through. And I want to ask you, answer how you represent a society close to ideal. Such a society that you want to create for your grandchildren and great-grandchildren. Is it capitalism when some have money, while others plow on it, or in some other way?

[Sour]

Quote: vovan50

Is it capitalism when some have money, while others plow on it, or in some other way?

The same thing happened under socialism. Slightly different in form, but not in content.
For my children and grandchildren, I would like to wish hard work, ingenuity, courage and respect for people. He who does not have this will be nobody in any system.
Of course, if he doesn’t get into the bosses at the expense of the toadies. There are enough of them now, and in the USSR it was full. But I do not want such a career for my children and grandchildren.

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: Sour

I don’t want such a career for my children and grandchildren.

Here you are right, along the way I twice pissed you off, but where did you get the pseudo-liberal kookies in the course of opposing other topics, what does patriotism not suit you for?

[Sour]

He was and always will be a patriot of Russia and the Russian nation.
Patriotism suits me all.
That is why I am a convinced anti-communist.
The Communists inflicted harm to Russia and the Russians a thousand times more than all the enemies and traitors combined. Even the current problems are largely generated by the Communists.
Sorry, I'm uncompromising here. And I’m not going to confuse communist ideology with patriotism. I am ready, like all my ancestors, to defend Russia under any authority. And the Communists are ready at any moment to betray Russia if they do not like power. That is what they did in 1917. And the current Communists (judging by their statements on the Internet) will blow up Russia with pleasure because they are not in power. They only dream about it. Are these patriots? And then whom to call filthy Judas?
Behind all these screams "against the oligarchs" and for "justice" are just snot of stupid, lazy and envious losers who fiercely hate their country because they have no place in it. And they fiercely hate the people for not giving a damn about their ideas. Unleash these losers - the whole country will be flooded with blood, as has already happened. Ghouls and ghouls posing as patriots.
That's exactly it.

[11111mail.ru]

Quote: Sour

And the Communists are ready at any moment to betray Russia if they do not like power. That is what they did in 1917

1. Then why did they act differently in 1941, eventually nullifying national socialism ???
2. According to the results of the 20th century, fascists and Zionists (rabid nationalists) have no faith at all.
3. The liberal values ​​of the old Europeans turn into sodomy in the 21st century.
4. The wolfish nature of the oligarchs ruling Russia, the majority of the people are deaf, and when they openly hate it, because that the herd will see, rushing to the longed-for feeding trough - only the "experience of those who managed to be the first to reach the feeding trough and stick their muzzles in there!"
Bottom line: building capitalism with a human face is impossible, but a state idea is required! Gross denial is unproductive and smart people still understand this.

[fisherman]

For my children and grandchildren, I would like to wish hard work, ingenuity, courage and respect for people. He who does not have this will be nobody in any system.
Of course, if he doesn’t get into the bosses at the expense of the toadies. There are enough of them now, and in the USSR it was full. But I do not want such a career for my children and grandchildren.

"words not of a boy, but of a husband"

[demotivator]

And what is he like, this "dear" Russian oligarch? Maybe someone remembers a certain Bryntsalov? The one who got rich on vodka, aspirin and insulin and who showed his wife's ass on TV, like "his wife's ass is no worse than Sharon Stone." The same pharmaceutical billionaire who, for the sake of "a good view from the windows of his palace", settled and evicted an entire village with people, that had the trouble of settling under the mountain on which our nouveau riche built a chateau for himself.
So here. This same Bryntsalov is a reference example of our new Russian elite, like those cast in a gold-iridium alloy - the reference meter and kilogram that are stored in the International Bureau of Weights and Measures in Paris. Compare the Lamborozov face types of Bryntsalov and Yakunin - they are like twin brothers! They are just on the same face! It is also tasteless - the luxurious interiors of their palaces, and the love of waist-length ceremonial portraits of these figures of the national elite movement - they have very, very similar - almost identical. This is the result of the “anti-selection” that our people underwent in the last twenty years, when after sixty years of Soviet power, HE (the people) was “the most advanced” and most progressive people - social reforms of socio-economic transformations “ devolutions ”“ back to the caves ”made (riveted) of“ marriage ”and“ not the best ”samples of“ homo-sovieticus ”of these freaks of the current gene pool, whom we call the“ elite ”of the country, or also - the oligarchs. The trouble for Putin (and the Kremlin) is that the tasks set by Putin and the Kremlin to “raise” Russia from its knees and bring it to the level of a superpower conflict with the interests of that bureaucratic elite, which, in terms of its responsibilities, has to fulfill programs for her ...
And this conflict (between Putin's programs and the mentality of performers) becomes an insurmountable barrier. Try to encourage present Gref or Yakunin to repeat Pavka Korchagin’s feat - standing to the waist in ice water to save the bridge of the Komsomol narrow-gauge railway under construction from elements !?
Exactly the same, one cannot expect exploits from our science, already corrupted by Western grants (western grants, which were generously distributed to our scientists in order to decompose and spill out this science - so that scientists “would do whatever, but not Russian science”) and try - now to force any Andrei Geim or Konstantin Novoselov to repeat the scientific feat of Korolev, Kurchatov or Khariton!? It’s only in a joke - the gypsy, looking at a bunch of his grimy kids, thinks and thinks, “Should we wash these or new ones?”
Putin, in order to push new ones, needs to shove “these” somewhere (Yakunin, Bryntsalov, Gref, Miller and another 2 million like them - bred in 20 years of anti-selection).
The elite of the executive branch — to fulfill the tasks that the present Kremlin portrays to it — needs “correctional penal battalions” to send a thousand grefs and millers first, just as a thousand Komsomol volunteers were sent to Moscow Metrostroy in the 30s.
Remember such a movie?

[Sour]

Quote: demotivator

“These” (Yakunin, Bryntsalov, Gref, Miller and 2 million others like them - bred in 20 years of anti-selection).

They were all born and raised in the USSR.
Like Putin, however.
Nobody touched them. The same products of the Soviet system.
If not "perestroika", Gref and Miller would still live well. They would only be members of the CPSU, would speak the right words and swear allegiance to communism. The same Gaidar was a nomenklatura worker under the USSR, and after the USSR he remained.
Such were enough above the roof both then and always.
But I’m not familiar with Pavka Korchagin. It is, of course, cool to compare living people with a literary character.

[calocha]

There are plenty of critics at least. There is nothing to offer -copy in both nostrils. The author has sound ideas. About FAS I completely agree.

[11111mail.ru]

How is V.S. Vysotsky doing? "No guys, it's not like that, EVERYTHING is wrong, guys!" Who else has not lost memory, remember! Dashing! 90s: give each general a full iconostasis on his chest ahead of time, and then remove awards after each "request" and evaluate the activities of a particular individual after the end of the war, according to the remaining awards. Well, where are the differences? I, of course, understand ecologists and not I will kick in the forest, picking porcini mushrooms, various gray and red fly agarics! BUT! The real value in the business of our "domestic" toadstools is very conditional. by its existence the bulk of the biosphere, although a certain category of society will prefer mushrooms = hallucinogens: it's a matter of taste!

[homosum20]

Russia flourished under the monarchy. Stalin's rule was not very different from her. As long as there is no master in the country, there will be owners and temporary workers.

[fisherman]

Until the country has a master

n-n-yes, it is precisely these words that I most often heard from my civic kin when I was on vacation ... at the end of the 80s of the last century :)

[Megre]

"Oligarchs are not the cause of troubles." Right! The trouble is in their ROOFER. There will be no roof, the oligarchs will immediately sit down on a stake.

[fisherman]

There will be no roof, oligarchs will immediately sit on a stake.

oh hardly ...

in the Soviet years there were oligarchs too, they had everything ...

some of them still "smoke the air in Russia", someone moved with their children to Israel, someone gave offspring in the West ...

[Megre]

In the Soviet years, this was not. Stalin dealt them a severe blow, but, unfortunately, not fatal. And now the oligarchic system has reached its zenith. In charge of THE COOLEST the oligarch whom all other oligarchs fear. But if only Akella misses and kapets this harmonious system. It's a question of time......

[fisherman]

In the Soviet years, this was not. Stalin dealt them a severe blow, but, unfortunately, not fatal. And now the oligarchic system has reached its zenith.

about "was not"
take an interest in the following question: when did the concept of "servant of the people" appear in our people? who does it mean? or such a question: who was Shevchuk singing about in his song "Boys - Majors", although, you know, you may not answer these questions, but just tell me how old you were in 1953?

about "hit them"

they will be struck all the time, and they will be resurrected all the time ... such is the nature of man

no matter what "ism" this era is currently called)

but I like your youthful maximalism))

[fisherman]

In 1984, Ufa resident Shevchuk accidentally got to a banquet where the children of local party officials were present. Based on this event, "Majors" were invented.
Source: http://music-facts.ru/song/DDT/Malchiki-mazhori/


... "Here, in the Vologda book, another long-suffering and visionary story by Yashin, Servant of the People, has been republished. It appeared only in the 80s in the Moscow magazine."

[Yarosvet]

Quote: Megrae

There will be no roof, oligarchs will immediately sit on a stake.

[fisherman]

bah, what kind of people ...

Comrade Yarosvet, how is your work on the theory of strategic rationality going? :)

our people, what’s there ... the whole planet is looking forward to the very theory that will make people happy

You keep waiting)

[Yarosvet]

Quote: fisherman

How is your work on the theory of strategic rationality?

We are working little by little

And how are your successes in the field of clear presentation of thoughts? It turns out?

[fisherman]

very happy for you

as you can see, you are still developing)

and, you know, it seemed to me that you just blurted out, for the "catchphrase", without thinking ...

Now I see that the work is on a very serious level)

I still have it, stopped at the same point

"who thinks clearly, he clearly expounds"

[Manul]

The oligarchs are just the tip of the iceberg. The system of pumping out money. Namely the System with a capital letter. And there already no one controls it. It controls people (you will never know those who manage this). Well, then, according to the old Soviet joke "-You who? -Plumber. -What are you sitting for? -Political. -In the sense? Yes, they caused a blockage in the Kremlin to look, and I said that the whole system needs to be changed ..

[Boris55]

Quote: Manul

System for pumping money. Namely, the system with a capital letter. And there no one controls it already.

The system in graphical form looks like this:

[Manul]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: Manul

System for pumping money. Namely, the system with a capital letter. And there no one controls it already.

The system in graphical form looks like this:

What an amazing scheme. And it works! And somehow even a smile with a smile, a hand in a desire to put, froze in the air ..

[Andrey Peter]

Quote: Egoza

Capitalism will never be the best option for Russia

I completely agree and just do not understand which way we are going now. I understand this, but what to do when in power about ligarchs which all this suits? And they just won’t give up power. And to arrange a revolution, it’s more expensive for yourself, you can ruin the country and it is not known who will come to power. Nasty and sad. And in general, who decided for the whole people that we should go the capital way?

[zzz]

Quote: Sour

Socialism proved its impasse, and humanity put an end to it.

And I think that socialism is possible if you change the minds of people ....

[Grif]

The article is neither a minus nor a plus. Half naive, half Stalinist principles. Work hard and they will give you everything, that's fine, this is the Stalinist principle, long known. No need to invent, everything has already been invented. I respect Putin, but his time has passed. We need a new Stalin and the glory of Russia!