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Communists without internationalism + nationalists without tsarism = guarantee of Russian victory

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I am sure that I will not surprise anyone if I say that we, Russian people, cannot live like this anymore. Every day we are told about stability and near-term prosperity from TV screens. Meanwhile, everything in life is exactly the opposite: the continuing collapse of industry and education, widespread bribery and lawlessness, the attitude of the government and bourgeoisie towards their people as cattle, the ongoing war in the Caucasus and the overwhelming dominance of foreigners in the age-old Russian cities. This list is endless ...


In Moscow and Leningrad artificially create an external picture of abundance. However, abundance is only for the "elect." Ordinary residents in these cities are far from fattening. It is necessary to drive off from Moscow kilometers on 50 (at the same time, not even have to travel outside the Moscow region), and the devastation will appear before your eyes "in all its glory." And if you work hard and still get to the neighboring areas (Vladimirskaya, Tverskaya, Ryazan), you’ll want to lower your eyes or, on the contrary, lift them up and look at the sky, which can be bright and cloudless even in clear weather.

Common truths, is not it? And in spite of this, the “ours” of those in power have enough arrogance to shout at the top of their lungs that it’s difficult for everyone today. That the increase in payments for housing and communal services is a necessary necessity (this is with the fabulous government revenues from the sale of gas alone). That our country is “multinational”, and who says otherwise is “fascist and extremist”. There is no other way for the country, nor can there be, for “horses at the crossing do not change,” and otherwise - civil war, collapse, etc. Remember, under what slogan were "edrosy" for the last elections to the State Duma and the presidential elections: "Who if not Putin?"

Totally stupid and irresponsible nonsense! But too many, if not most, of our compatriots have already believed in the latter. They already really believe that so be it, what is even worse. There are those who understand that the country continues to roll into the abyss, but does not even see on the horizon a movement that could unite the people and put an end to the chaos that has been happening for more than 30 years.

And I'll tell you what. Such movements are. More precisely, there are two of them. Yes, here's the trouble! One is a perfectly organized party with a rigid internal discipline, but hour by hour it is losing its strength due to the corruption of leadership and the reluctance to see what is happening around. The second is completely spontaneous, not knowing yet a clear organization (let's keep silent about discipline), but at the same time, young, exciting every day with more and more advanced Russian minds. Those who tried to give this second movement some kind of digestible form, to lead it, either were sold instantly or already in dungeons.

Is it possible to unite?

Some, probably, have already guessed that we are talking about the Communists (not only the Communist Party of the Russian Federation) in the first case and the nationalists in the second.
Well, right from this line I am ready to take a punch, both “right” and “left” (it was not by chance that I wrote these words in quotes). I expect that after reading to this point, others who consider themselves “fiery Bolsheviks-Leninists” zaorut, that they are not on the way with “fascists”, that “international above all else”, that how did the author dare to propose “sworn enemies”? fraternally shake hands.

On the other hand, a howl will rise, they say, "pagan-Bolsheviks" killed "our dear tsar-father", beat crosses from the churches, and sold the Motherland to the Judeo-Masons. In addition, they will add that the current government is from the CPSU and acts precisely in a communist way. Well, and further to that similar nonsense.

But with full responsibility I will answer, both to one and to the other, that everyone who will object to me like that - either complete idiots, or - even worse, paid traitors who split the Russian people! For there is nothing worse than to engage in stupid internal disassembly, when the enemy is not just at the gate, but has long penetrated inside.

To unite in the face of external danger is not only possible, but necessary. This has long been a matter of survival. Of course, to create a truly formidable power, something will have to be compromised by both.

Internationalism minus

It is not difficult to guess that in the case of the Communists, we will have to abandon internationalism. But, before the second time shouting and proving something foaming at the mouth, ask yourself, dear Bolshevik comrades, do you still need him so much ?!

Is a "friendship of peoples union of labor" possible with the same Caucasus, where its homegrown Islamist gangster is now literally in every family ?! And his, family, clan inhabitants of the Caucasus ALWAYS set themselves above the common cause. Like immigrants from Central Asia. Remember what the attempt to build socialism in Afghanistan turned out to be ?! - Alas, such is the genetics of these peoples. Yes, yes, genetics, which very often (if not always) win his class consciousness in man.

And Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili understood this (I hope no one will argue that it is difficult to find a “more real” and disinterested communist throughout stories), when, without a moment's doubt, sent Chechens, Karachays, Circassians, Crimean Tatars and others to the open steppes of Kazakhstan. There, all of the above have already been deprived of the ability to "misbehave", as in their own mountains. And Georgian Dzhugashvili raised a toast to the end of the Great Patriotic War to the glory of RUSSIAN, not the Soviet people. By chance?

Definitely not! Simply, this wise and wise and, I repeat, completely disinterested person, understood that it was the Russian people who were not only the main winners in the hardest war, but also the people internally prepared for the building of socialism. And all because our ancestors, the ancient Russians, were familiar with socialism (in that distant form) long before Marx (only touch on this topic here, it is so complex and interesting that it requires a separate article).

I understood the GREAT LEADER and the fact that there are peoples who, because of their natural self-interest, the desire to pull the blanket over themselves and the inclination to robbery, socialist society is alien. Therefore, he resettled them away so that they would not poison the lives of others.

And it’s not by the call of the “inner voice” that Stalin was expelled by Chechens and Crimean Tatars, but went to that only after these people once again showed the rottenness of their soul in the difficult war years.

Well, now look around, does the Caucasus behave more calmly today ?! - Yes, hell with two! In general, he turned into a painful bleeding abscess, taking more and more new Russian life. Do we need such "brothers"? Or maybe it’s time to agree with the nationalists that the abscess should be set on fire with a hot iron ?!

The second meaning of internationalism was in an effort sooner or later, but to make a world revolution. But today it is obvious that in the foreseeable future it WILL NOT HAPPEN! The consciousness of many nations is not yet ready for such a turning point. And I can beat the mortgage, in many nations the consciousness will NEVER come to this. In the coming years, God forbid, we should return a just socialist system, at least to Russia. So, in its second sense, internationalism will "wait."

Finally, why completely abandon the friendship and cooperation of peoples? Why, for example, not to be friends with us brothers-Serbs or Greeks, who already “fed on” European democracy? In other words, internationalism does not have to be completely discounted. It’s just worth making it more selective and, I would say, being cautious about something, and not “throwing beads” in front of frank savages who are ready to put a knife in your back.

"Tsar-father" minus

Until now, I can’t imagine why the Russian nationalists are persistently called the “Right”. The Rights are those who advocate for the rights of a possessing class, for the rights of the wealthy, that is. And what are the haves in Russia? - To begin with, at least half of them are NOT RUSSIAN at all. Jewish and Caucasian clans predominate among modern rich people, and if someone from the Russian oligarchs got into, he immediately loses the Russian soul!

Such oppresses its own people even more brazenly foreigners. Obviously, not for their interests are the guys coming out on the "Russian marches". Well, and then what nationalists are "right" ?! The real rights are the “Russian” government itself and the pro-government parties, of which about a dozen have already divorced, because in the eyes of the people “edrosy” have screwed up in full.

I am convinced that the young Russian guys who stand up to defend their country, their families and friends from the completely “proud eagles” with their eagly noses, have nothing against free health care, education, free and cheap apartments. The overwhelming majority of nationalists are representatives of the SIMPLE people!

And now a question for the nationalists! Guys, if you are simple people who want the power to treat you not as cattle, but as equals, why the hell did the “king-father” surrender to you ?!

Immediately make a reservation that, thank God, not all nationalists are delirious with the return of "God's anointed ones", but I appeal specifically to those who are still in a fog. Recall that Nikolashka-rag was Russian only on 1 / 32, he was not interested in his people, living with his German wife in some other world (like “our” current government). Do we look at him ?! Do you really want the rotten dynasty of the Romanovs to rule again our GREATEST country in the world (why in quotes, see above) ?!

We are a proud, talented and courageous people. And this means that we can manage ourselves without any kings-kings there! I don’t argue that the president (how does this word are consonant with the word "condom" ) and the State Duma - of course, is also not a fountain ... Well, so who interferes in public (for example, at a general Zemsky Sobor or a congress, anyone ) elect the leader of the nation and the head of state ?! And you can call this person in a purely Russian, for example, the RULER. However, this is also a separate topic.

The most important thing that I am trying to convey in this part of the article to the nationalists is that true nationalism is IMPOSSIBLE without socialism! Why? - It’s very simple, only with a fair social system, mutual respect within the nation is possible. After all, the motto of capitalism - “Do not be fooled — cannot be sold!” I hope no one will argue that such a “rule” by no means promotes mutual respect, and when there is no respect, you can simply forget about the unity of the nation.

And yet, go back to that paragraph, where I write about the rich, it seems, and Russian by blood. Yes, they spit on their fellow human beings, they are so intoxicated by the “yellow devil” that the meaning of their existence is just endless profit. These people are lost to the nation. If a nation wants to be truly united, there should be neither rich people nor poor people in it, but all of them are to some extent secured (which, again, with the riches of our country is not difficult at all). I want to apologize in advance to those who will be bored to read these common truths. Alas, it comes to some badly, we have to explain it childishly.

What can the common cause of the Communists?

Well, about the "victims" talked, it's time to move on to what will be useful such a union.

So, as I wrote above, the Communists have an organization. Note, an organization with a long history, discipline and, in general, quite good traditions. The importance of such a contribution to the common cause is difficult to overestimate.

There are large communist parties and property, incl. premises. And, perhaps most importantly, the Communists act legally, being a registered (read “recognized”) political force.

If conditionally called the party "political army", then in the case of unification with the nationalists, they would have given the general strength of the home base, the system of forming units and training command personnel, finally - recognition at the state level, whether they want power or not.
What can nationalists give to the common cause?

In contrast to the communists, modern Russian nationalists can be compared not with the army, but with the spontaneous partisan movement. At the same time, the movement is young, quite strong and numerous, having support among the people.

In other words, thinned out in battles and, to be honest, a slightly demoralized “army” can return its former strength, being replenished by such “partisan detachments”, where there are a lot of desperate but not yet trained and undisciplined young men.

Needless to say, with the right approach, you will end up with a very formidable force?

Generally binding rules and guidelines for the new batch program

I have no doubt that the party (or movement), whose motto will be “EVERYTHING FOR THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE!” In Russia is doomed to success, and therefore the main points of its program should be:
1) Immediate review of the outcome of the predatory "grabbing" of 90's and the return of everything stolen from the people;
2) Providing a completely free education for the citizens of the country while at the same time restoring the national education system;
3) Providing free medical care, including the most complex operations (including those that so far can only be performed abroad);
4) Providing citizens of the country with decent working conditions, decent wages (exactly what I wrote in the article “How I see Russia ready for war”) and full respect for the rights of the worker;
5) Providing citizens of the country with FREE housing (and no matter what anyone says, I will not stop repeating, there is MONEY FOR THIS IN RUSSIA!);
6) Widespread production recovery;
7) Full and very tight control over the price level for ALL products and services (including annual price cuts for utility bills);
8) Declaring the Russian people a state-forming nation;
9) Tighter entry regulations;
10) Sharp tightening of the rules for granting citizenship while simultaneously depriving citizenship of those who received it by fraud;
11) However, the automatic granting of citizenship (in the period from 15 to 30 days) to all ethnic Russians (moreover, Belarusians and Ukrainians should also be considered Russians) ready to return to Russia from the CIS countries (with full payment of the fare to the new place of residence and the provision of free housing).

Of course, this list is far from exhaustive.

With regard to the current government, representatives of the new force are obliged to show complete intransigence. Somehow: in no case do not give hands at receptions, always speak exceptionally harshly and with raised tones (at the slightest opportunity, it’s right to pour accusations and not give the bureaucrats a word to say in response). Any compromise and indifference must be subjected to the most severe condemnation of the comrades, with subsequent expulsion from the ranks. In the case of coming to power, anyone who went to the deal should be held accountable, as a traitor!

At the same time, to the rescue of a comrade in distress, it is necessary to throw the whole crowd, constantly forcing him to reckon with himself.

With the implementation of such simple rules and a proper level of discipline, it is possible to try to come to power in our country even in a “legal” way. Well, and if it does not work ...

Who am I writing this for?

And in conclusion I appeal again to the reader. Do not take me as a complete idiot, I do not expect that all of the above will happen soon. This we will not see tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. Hardly two forces that still consider themselves hostile will find mutual understanding in the next five years.

But years through 10 ... Who knows? Maybe there is a person who, after reading these lines, wants to bring to life what is written. Thank him in advance!
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  1. makarov
    makarov 13 January 2014 07: 59
    +9
    When it suddenly breaks out, the soldier will go to defend the Motherland, his family ... and the bourgeois son will drive away with the daddy the bribe-taker for the hillock, and the guy, the soldier, the defender, who was stolen from the parents’s parents, will continue to fatten for money. Which unwittingly becomes, among other things, a defender of the capital and factories of world-thieves. Here it is, NONSENS.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 13 January 2014 08: 06
      +8
      Yes, he would drink honey with his mouth, he expressed all the most desirable ...
      1. da113
        da113 13 January 2014 08: 24
        +5
        Yes, the author clearly tried, but he clearly does not understand ... that the whole current opposition is somehow connected with the current regime - the puppeteers.
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 13 January 2014 09: 50
          +2
          Quote: da113
          Yes, the author clearly tried, but he clearly does not understand ... that the whole current opposition is somehow connected with the current regime - the puppeteers.

          The regime has pocket opposition. They are consistently eradicating the real opposition, including from among nationalists.
        2. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 10: 18
          -1
          The article is one continuous distortion and lies. The truth is drawn up very competently, as it hits the already established myths and sore problems. At the same time, as in any attempt to gain recognition and support, the slogan "FOR JUSTICE !!" is used, which discards anyone who expresses their disagreement at the barricade, where the slogan "NO JUSTICE !!!" Gambit...
          But still, let's go through the theses.
          From TV screens we are told daily about stability and prosperity soon.

          From there we are often shown Albats and the rest of the liberal "husbands" who shout that everything is bad with us and "you can't live like that!" So the truth is somewhere in between. We are fine! For a country that only 10 years ago began to recover from "the most destructive war in its history" - it's normal, but you want more - I do not argue,.

          Meanwhile, in life, everything is exactly the opposite: the ongoing collapse of industry

          The collapse of industry cannot be accompanied by industrial growth, and it cannot be correlated with facts such as 130 planes per year, 300 planes per year, loaded shipyards and defense plants, the world's best technology telescope and the largest number of space launches in the world. And when this meme already dies ...

          (Crash) education

          Between crash и a situation where there are obvious problems and obvious achievements - a huge difference.

          widespread bribery and lawlessness

          Both that, and that is present, a question in scales. Nobody has been demanding the same bribes in every department for a long time, but the fact that state funds are wasted and the system of kickbacks does not go anywhere is a fact. Another question is that not a single significant state has figured out this problem, and the USA and the EU suffer from this much more than the Russian Federation, only they have it called the lobby.

          the attitude of the government and the bourgeoisie towards their people as to cattle

          In the United States, 1,5 million citizens were deprived of unemployment benefits, and the concept of "affordable medicine" does not exist there, for example, 60% of all bankruptcies in the United States occur due to inability to pay a medical check.

          the ongoing war in the Caucasus

          Between war with organized militias of tens of thousands of people and struggle with a rotting band underground is a huge difference. In Chicago alone, more policemen and civilians die from gangster bullets than in the whole of the North Caucasus Federal District.
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 10: 19
            +4
            frank dominance of foreigners in native Russian cities

            It is what it is. Another question is who should be considered foreigners, if migrants - then yes, if the same Tatars and Caucasians, then no. And the fact that the same migrants do the work that the locals do not want to do is also a fact.

            The list goes on and on ...

            It is precisely that your list is limited to 3-4 theses with real problems, such as for example illegal migration or corruption, everything else - or an attempt to pull an owl on a globe and an exaggerated problem that has been successfully solved for many years, as, for example, in yesterday's article about our aircraft industry.

            In Moscow and Leningrad artificially create an external picture of abundance.


            It is also created in Ufa, Vladivostok, Irkutsk and Tyumen, and indeed, in all of Russia, only for some reason the largest protest rallies were in Moscow and St. Petersburg, and the number of mink coats and iPhones at these rallies resonated very strongly with slogans about "horrible and bending Russia".

            Ordinary residents in these cities are far from fattening.

            RF is the second largest market in Europe, behind Germany by only 20%. Who buys 2 million cars a year? Only the "chosen ones"? Or For example, in 2013 about 80 million passengers were transported by aviation.

            It is worth driving away from Moscow kilometers to 50 (at the same time, it is not even necessary to travel outside the Moscow region), and the devastation will appear before your eyes “in all its glory”.


            If we compare the village with the city, the first will always seem to be a devastation, but with the cities the comparison will be completely different. And again, if you actually do this, then you will see traffic jams in small towns, a huge number of shopping centers teeming with people. And yes, Russia is not limited to 50 kilometers around Moscow.

            Common truths, isn't it?

            Not truths, but myths based on bloated problems that really exist, albeit not on such a scale.


            There are those who understand that the country continues to slide into the abyss, but does not even see the horizon


            Someone already said that, at the end of the 80's and the beginning of the 90's ... what’s over, can you tell me? These are just the people that they are talking about - all-crawlers or alarmists, though they are also hunters for easy PR, such as, for example, you or the communists.

            After all these emotion charges, which will undoubtedly be greeted by applause by the public, the person proposes to unite the Communists with the Nazis and assures us that this will be a union of unions !!! As they say, sailed ...
            Remember the author, while Natsik will go out on the square, waving a swastika and throwing Zigi - they will not see support, as it is difficult to imagine a real Russian who holds a fascist banner in his hand.

            IMHO, the author in the article makes a very obvious emphasis on the Natsiks, which raises the suspicion that he is just one of them.
            1. yehat
              yehat 13 January 2014 11: 17
              +1
              and you, dear, still that balobol!
              "industrial growth" ...
              industry always, even degrading, is growing somewhere.
              for example, queues at the cash desk for salaries.
              As for the growth figures of the industrial production shaft,
              then they are expressed in many times overpriced, and not
              in real terms.
              In addition, it would be good in parallel with these figures to show the growth of debts
              the same "industry"

              As for the "Nazis", all of Europe is Nazis. Only there it is not customary to say it out loud. Only nationalism is there for everyone, for himself.
            2. yehat
              yehat 13 January 2014 11: 17
              -1
              and you, dear, still that balobol!
              "industrial growth" ...
              industry always, even degrading, is growing somewhere.
              for example, queues at the cash desk for salaries.
              As for the growth figures of the industrial production shaft,
              then they are expressed in many times overpriced, and not
              in real terms.
              In addition, it would be good in parallel with these figures to show the growth of debts
              the same "industry"

              As for the "Nazis", all of Europe is Nazis. Only there it is not customary to say it out loud. Only nationalism is there for everyone, for himself.
              1. sledgehammer102
                sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 11: 30
                0
                Quote: yehat
                industry always, even degrading, is growing somewhere.
                for example, queues at the cash desk for salaries.


                I did not understand the analogy .... Sorry. But it would be nice for you to cite as an example any industry that has stable negative indicators of the last 5 years ... and so, this is an empty conversation.


                Quote: yehat
                the same goes for the growth figures for the shaft of industrial production
                then they are expressed in many times overpriced, and not
                in real terms.

                I have given figures expressed in physical units, namely pieces of products. Again, give me an example of an industry where a downtrend lasts at least 5.

                Quote: yehat
                In addition, it would be good in parallel with these figures to show the growth of debts
                the same "industry"

                So show, and then separate the real debts from investments and government loans. I do not quite understand what you want to say without any data.

                Quote: yehat
                As for the "Nazis", all of Europe is Nazis. Only there it is not customary to say it out loud. Only nationalism is there for everyone, for himself.

                There are many gay people in Europe too, so what about gay people in our government? There is a huge difference between the national identity of the same Tatars or Russians and the concept of fascism, read Russian nationalism. Moreover, the first does not interfere with the cohesion of the whole nation, but the attempt to show their superiority and call Moscow, Peter or Volgograd an original Russian city in the battles for which at any time lost all their lives without exception the nationalities and ethnic groups of our country, this unity we need so much adds.

                and you, dear, still that balobol!


                Judging by the calculations above, you have removed this word from my tongue
            3. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 13 January 2014 13: 59
              0
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              From there we are often shown Albats
              What perfectly complements the victorious relations working in contrast

              We are fine!
              I'm happy for you

              For a country that only 10 years ago began to recover from "the most destructive war in its history"
              Himself is not funny?

              Industrial collapse cannot be accompanied by industrial growth
              In 99, the share of oil and gas revenues in the budget is 18%. From 99 to 12, the cumulative increase in prices and volumes of oil / gas production was 6 times, that is, 400 lard of the budget we should have received with the share of oil and gas revenues in the same 18% (even less), but received with a share of 50% - so where is the growth, or did everyone (acre of oil pumps) have tax breaks?

              obvious achievements
              Are you talking about 100 ballers?

              scale issue
              Comparable to the budget.

              In the U.S.
              Are we in the United States, or maybe everyone in their career aspirations should focus on the homeless?

              There is a huge difference between war and struggle
              And this is written by the people who stated above about the most destructive war? Pash, aren't you ashamed?
              1. sledgehammer102
                sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 14: 23
                +2
                Quote: Yarosvet
                In 99, the share of oil and gas revenues in the budget is 18%. From 99 to 12, the cumulative increase in prices and volumes of oil / gas production was 6 times, that is, 400 lard of the budget we should have received with the share of oil and gas revenues in the same 18% (even less), but received with a share of 50% - so where is the growth, or did everyone (acre of oil pumps) have tax breaks?


                in 99 we received in the budget 10 barrels of a hundred pumped out (oil + gas), and in 2012 there are already 60 barrels of a hundred. So now look for those 18% oil and gas in 1999. Since we count in barrels, the price of oil drops out as an indicator. The production volumes are given below.

                Here are the numbers for your calculations.

                In 1999, the price of oil 17.97 $
                295,2 million tons of oil produced = 2149 million barrels
                591,6 billion cubic meters of gas produced
                Oil and gas budget revenues 4,538 billion $ = 253,2 million barrels
                http://naganoff.livejournal.com/45924.html
                The dollar exchange rate 27 rub

                In 2005 year
                oil price 54.52 $
                452,9 million tons of oil produced = 3297 million barrels
                640,8 billion cubic meters of gas produced
                Oil and gas budget revenues (export + taxes) 90,7 billion $ = 1663,7 million barrels
                http://www.minfin.ru/common/img/uploaded/library/2006/08/1895.pdf
                The dollar exchange rate 28,5 rub

                In 2012 year
                Price 86.46 $
                518 million tons of oil produced = 3771 million barrels http://ria.ru/economy/20130104/917127381.html
                655 billion cubic meters of gas produced
                Oil and gas budget revenues (export + taxes) 208,06 billion $ = 2406,6 million barrels
                http://www.gazeta.ru/business/news/2013/04/08/n_2840949.shtml
                Dollar exchange rate 31 ruble

                Oil and gas revenues in 2005 increased 6,5 times compared to 1999, although oil production during the same period increased by only 53% and gas by 8%

                Oil and gas revenues in 2012 increased 9,5 times compared to 1999, although oil production increased by 75% and gas by 10%

                AGAIN! OIL PRICE DOES NOT MATTER, TK WE COUNT IN NATURAL UNITS!

                So, the share of oil and gas revenues increased primarily due to the establishment of order in the industry, namely in production taxes.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 13 January 2014 15: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  Since we think in barrels, the price of oil falls off as an indicator
                  Do you have a budget in barrels, or in rubles / dollars? Why the heck you convert barrels to dollars, and then dollars to "budget" barrels - is this the better statistic? laughing

                  I’ve already sorted your snowstorm - you have a budget of 400 lard of cabbage with a share of oil and gas revenues = 18%, and you have 50%, which means that either everyone except the oil and gas sector has tax benefits (which is not observed), or industry, which is the main source of taxes, dipped 99-25 percent in relation to the 30th year, and you sing about industrial growth.

                  Oil and gas revenues in 2005 increased 6,5 times compared to 1999, although oil production during the same period increased by only 53% and gas by 8%
                  And why are you the price, which has grown almost 3 times, add "forgot"?

                  Oil and gas revenues in 2012 increased 9,5 times compared to 1999, although oil production increased by 75% and gas by 10%
                  ЦЕНА.

                  AGAIN! OIL PRICE DOES NOT MATTER, TK WE COUNT IN NATURAL UNITS!
                  Once again - counting like in "natural" units, you first convert a barrel into a dollar, and then a dollar into a barrel - what the fuck is naturalism?

                  So, the share of oil and gas revenues increased primarily due to the establishment of order in the industry, namely in production taxes.
                  Of course, a cumulative price / consumption increase of 20 times in 13 years has nothing to do with it ...
                  1. sledgehammer102
                    sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 17: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Once again - counting like in "natural" units, you first convert a barrel into a dollar, and then a dollar into a barrel - what the fuck is naturalism?


                    No, I transfer oil and gas revenues to barrels and compare them with the quantity of oil produced in the prices of the corresponding years. The price of oil does not matter. Since we count in natural units.

                    Here is another tale for you to understand more conveniently.
                    "The chicken laid in the first year 100 eggs at a price of 2 rubles per piece, in the second year 110 at a price of 20 rubles per piece (inflation of 500% + price increases due to a deficit of 500%).
                    Eggs are sold in the market by a Jew, and since he is looking after this chicken, in the first year he paid the owner his share under the contract only in the amount of 20 rubles (or ten eggs), and in the second 1430 rubles (or 72 eggs). And all because in the second year the owner revised the contract and bought a gun, so that if anything, for theft to stuff the ass of this Jew with salt. The number of eggs increased by 10%, and real income by 7 times, income in rubles by 72 times (1430), if you count in prices of the first year, then 144 rubles against 20 rubles ... "
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 13 January 2014 19: 53
                      +1
                      Quote: sledgehammer102
                      I transfer oil and gas revenues to barrels
                      Prala - barrels were sold (converted into dollars), taxes were paid from them, from which N / G budget revenues (in dollars) were formed, which you convert to barrels - why the hell are such difficulties?
                      If you want to know how much taxation has increased, look at the rates of duties and MET for years.

                      and compare with the number of mined in prices of the corresponding years
                      If you compare, then compare not in the prices of the corresponding years, but in the prices of one particular year, but this hell doesn’t give you anything.

                      The price of oil does not matter. Since we count in natural units
                      You count in DOLLARS by calculating at the rate how much oil you could buy for a specific amount in a given year.

                      Here is another tale for you
                      1. sledgehammer102
                        sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 04: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Prala - barrels were sold (converted into dollars), taxes were paid from them, from which N / G budget revenues (in dollars) were formed, which you convert to barrels - why the hell are such difficulties?


                        There are no difficulties. They got so many barrels. Of these, so many barrels came to the budget.
                      2. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 14 January 2014 10: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: sledgehammer102
                        They got so many barrels. Of these, so many barrels came to the budget.

                        Not a single barrel came to the budget - taxes came as a percentage, which are denominated in rubles and which are easier to calculate in dollars.

                        But once again - you sing about production growth (and this is not only the NG sector), which is actually declining.
                        At the same time, you are trying to sew on the topic of production growth / decline the topic of increasing taxation of the NG sector, betraying an increase in the severance tax and duties on production growth - for what purpose are you doing this?

                        And the last thing - you can count even in barrels, even in parrots with boas, but for this you have to get one hell out of a currency unit in barrels and parrots, from the influence of which you are supposedly trying to get rid of.
                      3. sledgehammer102
                        sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 13: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Not a single barrel came to the budget - taxes came as a percentage, which are denominated in rubles and which are easier to calculate in dollars.


                        It is clear that companies do not roll barrels into tax. And the percentage of the sale of this barrel, plus all sorts of fees. Thus, with a dupostim of 100 dollars, 60-65% goes to the treasury, in 1999 it was 10%. The error in calculating all of this in barrels will be 10-20% - insignificant in comparison with those 9,5 times in which revenues increased
                      4. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 14 January 2014 17: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: sledgehammer102
                        Thus, with a dupostim of $ 100, 60-65% goes to the treasury, in 1999 it was 10%
                        Prailno - in monetary terms

                        Calculation error of all this
                        Calculating what "this"?
                        What does this have to do with industrial growth if only the NG sector grows and the rest sags?
        3. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 13 January 2014 14: 25
          0
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          And the fact that the same migrants do the work that locals don’t want to do is also a fact
          Substitution of concepts: they don’t want beggarly salaries, but instead of the logical establishment of an equilibrium price in the labor market, dumping occurs.

          which has been successfully resolved for many years
          Substitution of concepts: "successfully" - cannot be solved for many years, it can be successfully solved, but not solved for many years.

          and the number of mink coats
          Lead and discredit.

          Who buys 2 million cars a year?
          In the Russian Federation, 1 car accounts for 4 (this is together with trucks, if I remember correctly), half of them are older than 10 years.

          in 2013, approximately 80 million passengers were transported by aviation
          Including business trips, mink shopping and transit, so you can safely divide this digit into 4, or even 6.

          If we compare the village with the city, the first will always seem to be a devastation
          Substitution of concepts - village dirt is not a devastation.

          traffic jams
          Arising not from the fact that all cars have appeared, but from the fact that with an increase in the number of cars no one bothered to increase the throughput of roads.

          and myths based on bloated issues that really exist
          And have they been successfully resolved for 14 years? laughing

          Someone already said that, in the late 80s and early 90s ... how did it end, can you tell me?
          So at the beginning of the 20th century they spoke, but ended up creating something that they still could not plunder until the end.
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 14: 40
            0
            Quote: Yarosvet
            In Russia, 1 car accounts for 4's (this is with trucks, if my memory serves me right), half of them are older than 10


            A typical substitution of concepts.
            It was: in Russia began to buy a lot of cars a year
            It became: In the Russian Federation there are few cars per person

            Arising not from the fact that all cars have appeared, but from the fact that with an increase in the number of cars no one bothered to increase the throughput of roads.

            That is, the number of cars is not growing, and the roads are narrowing.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 13 January 2014 15: 50
              0
              Quote: sledgehammer102
              A typical substitution of concepts.
              It was: in Russia began to buy a lot of cars a year
              It was - "we live super, we buy 2 million cars a year" - and this is a substitution of concepts: old cars are exchanged for new ones by getting into loans (just in case - in the 90s there was no credit system for the population), and wheelbarrows were counted on man is 2 times less than in the decaying west.
              In this case (as always, by the way) you replace the concepts.

              That is, the number of cars is not growing, and the roads are narrowing.
              It is growing, but slowly and not because of an increase in the well-being of the bulk of citizens.
              1. sledgehammer102
                sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 17: 06
                +1
                Quote: Yarosvet
                It was - "we live super, we buy 2 million cars a year"


                This is called juggling, because I didn’t use the words live super and didn’t even hint at it. And cars have been bought for several years, and the Russian market is the second in Europe, manufacturers vote in rubles, opening new assembly lines, because they know that demand will only grow. They do not believe you, Yarosvet, do not believe, or fools ....

                P.S. But you replaced the theses.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 13 January 2014 20: 12
                  0
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  This is called juggling

                  This is called isolating what was meant.
                2. sledgehammer102
                  sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 04: 02
                  0
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  This is called isolating what was meant.


                  If you all who do not support you are people who scream that everyone is SUPER - then this is your problem.
                3. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 14 January 2014 10: 17
                  0
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  If you all who do not support you are people who scream that everyone is SUPER - then this is your problem.

                  Looks like you forgot that in addition to individual words and sentences, there is context.
                4. sledgehammer102
                  sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 13: 29
                  -1
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Looks like you forgot that in addition to individual words and sentences, there is context.


                  If the context existed, then you would bring it. And so, the context has been replaced by your attitude towards everyone who disagrees with you. This happens
                5. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 14 January 2014 17: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  If the context existed, then you would bring it

                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  frank dominance of foreigners in native Russian cities

                  It is what it is. Another question is who should be considered foreigners, if migrants - then yes, if the same Tatars and Caucasians, then no. And the fact that the same migrants do the work that the locals do not want to do is also a fact.

                  The list goes on and on ...

                  It is precisely that your list is limited to 3-4 theses with real problems, such as for example illegal migration or corruption, everything else - or an attempt to pull an owl on a globe and an exaggerated problem that has been successfully solved for many years, as, for example, in yesterday's article about our aircraft industry.

                  In Moscow and Leningrad artificially create an external picture of abundance.


                  It is also created in Ufa, Vladivostok, Irkutsk and Tyumen, and indeed, in all of Russia, only for some reason the largest protest rallies were in Moscow and St. Petersburg, and the number of mink coats and iPhones at these rallies resonated very strongly with slogans about "horrible and bending Russia".

                  Ordinary residents in these cities are far from fattening.

                  RF is the second largest market in Europe, behind Germany by only 20%. Who buys 2 million cars a year? Only the "chosen ones"? Or For example, in 2013 about 80 million passengers were transported by aviation.
                6. sledgehammer102
                  sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 19: 03
                  -1
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  Common truths, isn't it?
                  Not truths, but myths based on bloated problems that really exist, albeit not on such a scale.


                  On this you can close the discussion.
                7. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 14 January 2014 21: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: sledgehammer102
                  On this you can close the discussion.

                  Che so - did not like the context?
                8. sledgehammer102
                  sledgehammer102 15 January 2014 03: 59
                  0
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Che so - did not like the context?


                  Not. Important phrases omitted for selective citation.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 13 January 2014 11: 25
    +3
    Quote: sledgehammer102
    There is a huge difference between a collapse and a situation where there are obvious problems and obvious achievements.

    Here it is quite possible to analyze and understand the reason.
    What is the problem of education? In the material part and teaching.
    The first is obsolete textbooks on practical sciences (computer science, physics, chemistry and others) which must be re-published at least once every two years. But who should they do if not the teachers?
    Here is the problem. The teaching staff is not created immediately. First, the student must graduate from school (18 years old), then graduate from university (23-24 years old), plus practice to gain experience, this is another two or three years (total age of the teacher strive for 30 years).
    But do not forget about the collapse of the 90s that struck at all points of the country, including education. The age of my teachers in the 90s-00s was 35-45 years. But the ten-year-old collapse affected this. Some retired, others went abroad. And in their place no one came, or came but not in the wrong places to satisfy the request.
    In addition, it is worth noting that the work of a teacher is usually more difficult than work in a factory, and sometimes in a laboratory. Try to hamper something to young fools or to gain respect from humbling teenagers, or to pacify the lush hormones of young men and women. Some do not stand it and change their profession. That's the result.
    1. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 12: 05
      +3
      Quote: ShadowCat
      What is the problem of education? In the material part and teaching.


      About five years ago, the problem was both here and there, but now there is a clear skew. There are good teachers, but they don’t want to work in schools, since the salaries of teachers in cities, although not as small as the alarmists try to put out, are not particularly optimistic in terms of career or any growth. And to go to the village, where you can get money for the construction of housing, and not many young specialists have the desire for a couple of hundred long-distance workers.

      So now there are two problems
      1) An aging and thinning teaching staff (the number is stable, but the ability to this kind of activity raises questions)
      2) Salaries of university professors (and their salaries are lower than the average for teachers) and school teachers.

      There is also a third problem
      3) There is no way to create or recreate a Soviet system that would meet modern requirements.

      So, as we can see, there are enough problems, but the phrase "BREAK" is far from it. And the proof of this can be the achievements of our students at international Olympiads and forums, especially in physics, mathematics, chemistry and programming., It is worth noting separately that our successes in this area are notable for their enviable stability.

      http://www.chem.msu.ru/rus/olimpiad/olimp42/welcome.html
      http://olimpiada.ru/article/287
      http://www.kp.ru/daily/26154/3042906/
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 13 January 2014 12: 18
    +2
    Quote: sledgehammer102
    we are often shown Albats and the rest of the liberal "husbands" who shout that everything is bad with us and "you can't live like that!"

    Thus, associations drive people into a psychological impasse. Most people understand that it’s really impossible to live like that. But when people see who is screaming the loudest DOWN WITHthen doubts creep in. If the devil screams, paradise is cool, the words are associated precisely with the personality of the devil, and not with his words. So you can spoil any good idea. In Kara-Murza this technique is described in detail. And the problem is not going away anywhere; it’s really impossible to live like that. hi
    1. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 12: 36
      +2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      And the problem is not going away anywhere; it’s really impossible to live like that.


      In general, the problems have not gone away,
      as there were 40 million beggars (with income below the minimum wage), it remains.
      As we received taxes on 10 barrels from hundreds, we receive.
      How to dress in Chinese ... about and dress.
      As they were in debt to the IMF and other "clubs", they remained
      As we didn’t arm the army, we don’t arm
      As they delayed pensions for six months, they delay
      as miners knocked with helmets, they knock
      as crowds of militants walked in the Caucasus,
      we couldn’t afford to fly a plane, we can’t
      as Turkey was considered a paradise overseas inaccessible, so we believe
      just as they wiped their feet in the West about us, they do so, and as we served them in everything, we serve them
      As we didn’t have nanotechnology
      ..............
      ...............
      ..............
      as we did not build factories, hospitals and kindergartens, we do not build

      [b] Who does not understand, everything above is sarcasm. [/ b] But below is the truth:

      1) [b]as there were problems, they remained.
      [/B]

      Yes, they were and are and will be, only they change every year, because this is life.

      2) [b] As there were alarmists / all-crawlers / paCreots / Khazins, so they remained ...



      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 13 January 2014 14: 23
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        Quote: sledgehammer102
        / pa

        Correctly spelled P.O. Tsreota, from the root of POC. laughing Photos are of course scary, I want to take up 12 gauge with buckshot. But ... I did not write about this, but about the fact that the best way to discredit the truth is to put it on a par with the lie and pronounce it through the mouth of crooks. Read Kara-Murzu, there the topic of mass manipulation is described in detail.
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        As we didn’t have nanotechnology

        It's sarcasm? Do we have them? Chubais claims to be. And I think that this is nothing more than a sawn topic. On the remaining points, too, not everything is so smooth. hi
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 14: 48
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          I didn’t write about this, but about the fact that the best way to discredit the truth is to put it on a par with the lie and pronounce it through the mouth of crooks

          Well, a person should be able to separate flies from cutlets by definition. Here the author of the article has one mob, on Channel One - quiet and grace. But there are real numbers of aircraft produced over the years. The same is true for industry or CX.

          Quote: Ingvar 72
          It's sarcasm? Do we have them?

          It depends on what you mean by them. And so the process goes, moreover, we began to deal with this with a significant lag.
          http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/45583/
          http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/45643/
          http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/45383/
          http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/45321/
          http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/43619/
          http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/43564/
          http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/43561/

          On the other points, too, not everything is so smooth.


          Yes, rough, but the main thing is that without those potholes
          The main thing is not a fact, but a trend.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 13 January 2014 15: 30
            -1
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            Well, a person must be able to separate flies from cutlets by definition.

            not everyone is capable of it. The bulk is on associative templates.
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            . And so the process goes on, moreover, we began to deal with this with a significant lag.

            I still remain a pessimist, because I believe the eyes more. At the VAZ, the conveyor was stopped under a good pretext - modernization under foreign cars, i.e. it all comes down to a screwdriver. Scientific and technical base is being killed. There are no new models, everything comes from abroad. The new Largus is nothing but a Renault Cottage. X-Ray is also mostly a development of Nissan. At GAZ the same thing, huge profits from the production of GAZelle brought abroad, and slept through the passenger transportation market.
            Yes, rough, but the main thing is that without those potholes
            Again, you compare the disgusting with the bad. It is wrong to compare 90 with the present.
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 17: 13
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              not everyone is capable of it. The bulk is on associative templates.


              Well, what can you do, and both sides use it. Just the first, in my personal opinion, for the good of themselves and the country, and the second for the good of themselves and a foreign country.

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              I still remain a pessimist, because I believe my eyes more

              The main thing for me is that the technologies and components should be produced as much as possible by us and our employees. For the time being, they don’t give a damn, the very Chinese didn’t really bother for the first decades, and now they produce quite competitive products of everything and everything.

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Again, you compare the disgusting with the bad. It is wrong to compare 90 with the present.

              I’m talking about the trend, and he’s quite optimistic. In the same CX, many indicators overtook or surpassed the Soviet ones, though this does not prevent the alternatively gifted from shouting that everything was gone.
              And how to understand this, compare 90, 00 and the present time? To assess what is happening the most. To assess the prospects, it is necessary to compare with other countries where the situation is more successful.
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 13 January 2014 15: 54
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Do we have them?

          Of course have!
          1. alone
            alone 13 January 2014 19: 51
            0
            Chubais: what What else remains unprivatized?
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 13 January 2014 20: 09
              0
              Quote: lonely
              What else remains unprivatized?
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 13 January 2014 08: 44
    +8
    Quote: ....
    at the same time, it’s not even necessary to travel outside the Moscow region), and devastation will appear before your eyes “in all its glory”.


    The devastation begins in the minds ....

    Quote: ..makarov ..
    a soldier will go to defend his homeland, his family, .. and the bourgeois son will drive away with a daddy a bribe-taker over the hill



    But they don’t have to go anywhere, for example, the youngest child of the Presidential Commissioner for Children's Rights, Pavel Astakhov, was born in France, where he was baptized. Now the wife and child live, reportedly, in a villa rented in Cannes. By the way, Pavel graduated from the Higher School of the KGB of the USSR.
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    2. valokordin
      valokordin 13 January 2014 08: 56
      +8
      Quote: Vadivak
      But they don’t have to go anywhere, for example, the youngest child of the Presidential Commissioner for Children's Rights, Pavel Astakhov, was born in France, where he was baptized. Now the wife and child live, reportedly, in a villa rented in Cannes. By the way, Pavel graduated from the Higher School of the KGB of the USSR.

      I once read that the USSR fell apart with the tacit consent of the KGB, so it is possible that the main cheers of the patriots and oligarchs are linked by blood ties. Although many of this organization were good guys.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 13 January 2014 09: 10
        +5
        Quote: valokordin
        The USSR collapsed with the tacit consent of the KGB


        When Felix was filmed, no employee came out. And one automatic burst over the heads of this herd would be enough .....
        1. alone
          alone 13 January 2014 19: 53
          +2
          Quote: Vadivak
          When Felix was filmed, no employee came out.


          You’re mistaken. Surely half the crowd were KGB officers and the other half were freelance employees.
  • Christian
    Christian 13 January 2014 08: 58
    -7
    The search for a "new Russian way" is the invention of a bicycle, only much more harmful! After all, this "occupation" takes a lot of energy from Russian passionaries and diverts them from the Right Way. And this way is not only known, but also tested by 1000 years of experience of OUR ancestors !! And note, this experience was more than successful! The Russian Empire was the greatest Empire of all times and peoples! As for the Tsars, they, unlike the presidents, did not change their country and people and did not have accounts abroad !!! and my advice to you, do not consider yourself smarter than hundreds of generations of Russian people who had the slogan "For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland!"
    1. Christian
      Christian 13 January 2014 09: 03
      -10%
      Not one of them was a traitor to Russia !!! The Russian Orthodox Tsar is the hope of the Russian people for the revival of past power !!!
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 13 January 2014 09: 23
        0
        A wonderful caveat. Let me emphasize that "not one" means more than one) None - none of.
      2. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 13 January 2014 10: 06
        +1
        But thoughtlessness suffered without exception.
      3. yehat
        yehat 13 January 2014 11: 37
        +1
        Nicholas 2, who denied, was a traitor!
        Because he allowed himself to become isolated due to personal problems and removed himself from government.
        And the state fell apart before our eyes because of this and fell apart.
        This is the inhibition of the right part of the Stolypin reforms, and the loss, attention (!) Of Russian Korea, this is the loss of independence in politics, its subordination to the capital of France and England, and so on.
        The cowardice of this offspring of the imperial family, despite a bunch of mannered advantages, is not excusable. He ruined a very, very much.
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      5. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 13 January 2014 14: 57
        -1
        Quote: Christian
        hope of the Russian people
    2. Basileus
      Basileus 13 January 2014 09: 06
      -1
      And where does the 14 year and the flag of the times of Alexander II and III?

      With hundreds of generations, you are also bent. Hundreds of generations in the history of mankind have lived under the monarchs. And in the end, they refused this path. Why do you think so?
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 11: 32
        +2
        Quote: Basileus
        And in the end, they refused this path. Why do you think so?


        because it’s boring and terribly unprofitable for people with money, for lobbying for their interest in monarch’s circles is a simple business, but it does not guarantee anything
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 13 January 2014 11: 43
          -1
          When one person single-handedly makes all decisions, there is an equal chance that he will turn out to be both a genius and a degenerate. The last two kings were closer to the second state than to the first.
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 12: 22
            0
            Quote: Basileus
            When one person single-handedly makes all decisions, there is an equal probability that he will turn out to be both a genius and a degenerate


            Which is more likely? When the decision was made by the whole country, Yeltsin’s degenerate turned out to be the leader, and before him Gorbach’s other degenerate was collegially selected, in the USA Congress makes a collegial decision, though this does not save their economy.

            Quote: Basileus
            The last two kings were closer to the second state than to the first.

            You can begin to develop a long and useless debate on what would happen if ...
            But in those years, great degenerates defeated
            1. Basileus
              Basileus 13 January 2014 12: 38
              +1
              Which is more likely? When the decision was made by the whole country, Yeltsin’s degenerate turned out to be the leader, and before him Gorbach’s other degenerate was collegially selected, in the USA Congress makes a collegial decision, though this does not save their economy.

              Notice that it’s easier to dismiss everyone, and the politician should behave carefully - there is a chance to fly past the post in the next election. With normally working institutions, essno. The examples with Gorbachev and Yeltsin are not entirely correct. In both cases, in fact, there was no choice, and there was a lot of noise around the second Yeltsin elections.

              And what is so terrible with the US economy? The whole world is trying to pretend that everything is fine, because if the USA falls in, only the DPRK can stand, and then not for long - there is definitely nothing there. Do you think this is a defeat or a victory?

              You can begin to develop a long and useless debate on what would happen if ...
              But in those years, great degenerates defeated

              Why argue? For all the merits of the last two tsars, it was their short-sighted policy in the style of "I am an autocrat, and you are slaves" that led to such consequences.

              Wow, how to minus. Apparently, lovers of autocracy on our site are entirely blue blood)
              1. sledgehammer102
                sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 12: 55
                0
                Quote: Basileus
                Notice that it’s easier to dismiss everyone, but the politician should behave carefully - there is a chance to fly past the post in the next election.

                Yeltsin removed after an inconsiderate first term? Or maybe Congress has changed dramatically in recent years 10-15? Or maybe they removed Berlsconi? Or is there Thatcher, who was all across the throat of England?

                Have you changed your thesis? It was
                When one person single-handedly makes all decisions, there is an equal chance that he will turn out to be both a genius and a degenerate.

                What's in the first place: it’s more difficult for a group of people to make a mistake and not be one big degenerate

                But it became
                Quote: Basileus
                Notice that it’s easier to dismiss everyone, but the politician should behave carefully - there is a chance to fly past the post in the next election.

                What is in the first place: The monarchy differs from the republic in easy interchangeability ...

                Quote: Basileus
                And what is so terrible with the US economy?

                Of course, not being able to pay unemployment benefits and having 2,5 of a million unaccompanied street children - yes! Moreover, having a budget many times greater than our entire seven-year state defense order.
                1. Basileus
                  Basileus 13 January 2014 13: 27
                  0
                  You are about working institutions specifically missed the ears. In Russia, they never existed.

                  You are an excellent translator. Only to both statements is it worth it to apply logic. Suppose the autocrat turned out to be a diminutive absolutist, like a rag, for example, so he brought the country to revolution. Three times.

                  You already decide what you do not like, state policy or their economy?
          2. Christian
            Christian 13 January 2014 17: 16
            +1
            Yes, they were smart and not very, but traitors, unlike the latter, not one !!!
    3. alicante11
      alicante11 13 January 2014 13: 31
      -1
      Damn, and tsarism before the performance of the USSR was like before the moon. Enough for us to push this Empire, rotten several decades ago.
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 13 January 2014 08: 06
    +9
    Is that "freedom" in Russian? Some idialist, divorced from real life and hysterical. The kind of hump who knew how to do it, but never knew how to do it. The author is also hysterical.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 13 January 2014 08: 07
    +5
    hi It is possible and shorter, the world of huts, war on palaces and all migrants.
  • jjj
    jjj 13 January 2014 08: 12
    +10
    I outlined the constructions of Marx, studied the works of Lenin, got acquainted with the works of Stalin, looked through the notes of Trotsky. To all these authors I have my own attitude. But their fiction is very intelligible and aims at action. Among modern apologists for the communist movement, their views are more primitive. Giving up renegade
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 13 January 2014 12: 55
      +3
      Quote: jjj
      Among modern apologists for the communist movement, their views are more primitive. Giving up renegade

      That the idea of ​​communist prosperity beautiful and attractive, everyone is aware. But far from EVERYONE wants to live and work according to the slogan "From each according to his possibilities, to each according to his work." It is necessary to plow and work, and not scratch with your tongue, like with a broom.
      And as for the distribution system from "Take and Divide" to the workplace of the one who takes and divides, you don't want to stutter. In this "sweet" place, more than one million people have sold their souls to the devil, regardless of gender, age, religion or country of residence.
  • major071
    major071 13 January 2014 08: 12
    +10
    I put a minus to the article because of the unreality of the plan. This will not happen now, tomorrow, or in 10 years. The communists are no longer the same as they were under the USSR, only boltology and nothing else, they are rotten through and through together with their leader. I have nothing against the communists, but not in this form. Nationalists will never unite with the communists, and whoever would unite the nationalists themselves, but the current government will not allow this to happen, because it will be a direct threat to the existence of this power itself, and oh, how you do not want to come off the trough. The rules and regulations of the new party are certainly good, and I would have been for them with both hands and feet, but too fabulous and unreal. The "feeding trough" rule also works here. IMHO. hi
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 13 January 2014 09: 43
      +2
      "Nationalists will never unite with communists"

      this has already happened in history. In 1933, thousands of members of the banned German Communist Party joined the NSDAP. this is the story.
      and the article itself is nonsense, a hodgepodge, some kind of vinaigrette. for 1-2 practical thoughts the car of nonsense.
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 13 January 2014 08: 18
    +3
    The author calls on the barricades:Maybe there is a person who, having read these lines, wants to bring it to life. Thanks in advance to him!.Russia is just missing it now, yeah. request
    1. jjj
      jjj 13 January 2014 08: 37
      +4
      Here, rather, an appeal is not to barricades, but to destroy the "bourgeois" shops on the next street
  • saag
    saag 13 January 2014 08: 29
    +2
    after reading these 11 theses, I had a question about the age of the author
  • AnpeL
    AnpeL 13 January 2014 08: 34
    +6
    Our nationalists have another big minus - many of them venerate Hitler as some kind of hero-benefactor for our country. Of course, the Communists will not agree with this. What kind of hero is he ... for our country and our people
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 13 January 2014 09: 55
      +1
      Quote: AnpeL
      Our nationalists have another big minus - many of them venerate Hitler as some kind of hero-benefactor for our country. Of course, the Communists will not agree with this. What kind of hero is he ... for our country and our people

      The point is a little different. Some of the individuals to whom we have installed monuments have done more harm to the Russian people than Hitler.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 13 January 2014 08: 35
    +11
    And the points of the program are interesting!
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 January 2014 09: 53
      +1
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      And the points of the program are interesting!

      Andrei Kochergin has similar ones. I was very surprised to read that Kochergin organized a political movement. hi
  • Damascus
    Damascus 13 January 2014 08: 36
    +5
    The declaration of the Russian people as a nation-forming nation - Yes, that's just the civil war we are missing. We can introduce gradations: the state is a nation-forming nation, a good, bad nation. What to do with the bad?

    Author fucking hysterical.
  • Basileus
    Basileus 13 January 2014 08: 49
    +2
    I’m shy to ask, not multinational, then?

    I read to the end. Funny, no more. In addition, the appeal to two completely opposite political currents, which, moreover, are organized in completely different ways - the nationalists are motley and disunited, the communists with the current leadership "bronzed" - somewhat silly.
  • dmb
    dmb 13 January 2014 08: 56
    +3
    Of course, one could not pay attention to such delights, which are the fruit of the current education. But these delights are very, very dangerous, for they strongly resemble the theses of a work written in prison by an Austrian at the beginning of the 20th century. The author, who suggests not to consider him a "complete cretin", is one request to explain some theses of his program. 1. When revising privatization, is he going to steal what was stolen only from "foreigners" or does "Orthodox Christians" also fall there? "; with what amount will we begin to select; will the selection be made from members of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the nationalist Mironov?" 2. What does the author mean by "national education system" and how does it differ from the Soviet system? 3. How he is going to carry out medical operations in Russia. which at present we simply cannot do ?. 4. What are the material and moral consequences of declaring the Russian people a "state-forming nation" for the Russian people themselves? 5. What is the author's confidence based on that if he counts Tyagnibok, Yushchenko, Yanukovych and Milinkevich, they and their supporters will rejoice and kiss him on the gums. I know the answer to these questions, but I am writing for those who loudly applaud such authors. The latter will not answer these questions, and the applauding may think about it.
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 13 January 2014 09: 48
      +4
      "5. What is the author's confidence based on that if he counts Tyagnibok, Yushchenko, Yanukovych and Milinkevich, they and their supporters will rejoice and kiss him on the gums."

      the author of the article wrote in a nonsense, but here I haven’t understood this point at all.
      Who will the author consider tyagnibok and company? or what? or how?
      1. dmb
        dmb 13 January 2014 12: 52
        +1
        Sorry, missed the word. The author suggested that they be considered Russian.
  • s1н7т
    s1н7т 13 January 2014 09: 02
    -3
    The article is a plus for optimism. But here: the Russian people = nation or not?
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 13 January 2014 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: c1n7
      The article is a plus for optimism. But here: the Russian people = nation or not?

      Nation literally translated "people". Nation and people are one and the same.
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 13 January 2014 10: 29
        -2
        Quote: Warrawar
        Nation literally translated "people". Nation and people are one and the same

        Yeah, that is, we with the Bashkirs, for example, are not one people?
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 13 January 2014 10: 38
          +1
          Quote: c1n7
          Yeah, that is, we with the Bashkirs, for example, are not one people?

          Of course not. We are not even distant relatives.
          Firstly, we have different languages. Moreover, languages ​​belonging to different language families.
          Secondly, we have a different religion.
          Thirdly, we belong to different human races.
          1. s1н7т
            s1н7т 13 January 2014 22: 38
            -1
            Quote: Warrawar
            Of course not. We are not even distant relatives

            And then who are we to each other? And, by the way, religion does not apply in any way to the criteria of the people. Only ethnic culture. You do not dare to say that the Russians are ethnic Christians? laughing
            1. Warrawar
              Warrawar 14 January 2014 01: 35
              -2
              Quote: c1n7
              Quote: Warrawar
              Of course not. We are not even distant relatives

              And then who are we to each other? And, by the way, religion does not apply in any way to the criteria of the people. Only ethnic culture. You do not dare to say that the Russians are ethnic Christians? laughing

              Listen, I'm not going to argue with you. You voice your thoughts and concepts. I tell you what a nation is in a scientific definition. Go look for information, and don't smack the gag.
              Nation:
              ethnic concept
              -cultural (religion is part of the culture), Russians formed as Christians
              linguistic
              And who are we to each other? We are different peoples living within the same state.
              1. Basileus
                Basileus 14 January 2014 09: 30
                0
                We are different peoples living within the same state.

                In Europe, it was called a nation even before the concept of "multiculturalism" appeared.
                1. Warrawar
                  Warrawar 14 January 2014 11: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Basileus

                  In Europe, it was called a nation even before the concept of "multiculturalism" appeared.

                  No, not called. Europe is divided into many nation states. Or on states built on a federal principle, such as Belgium. Two nations coexist in Belgium, within the framework of one state - French-speaking and German-speaking. But they are not considered one nation.
                  End a session of collective delirium, read better that there is a Russian nation and who belongs to it:
                  http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Русские
                  1. Basileus
                    Basileus 14 January 2014 14: 31
                    0
                    British
  • Good
    Good 13 January 2014 09: 02
    +1
    The author of the news from Maidan had seen enough, and decided that it was boring to live in Russia.
  • Ulairy
    Ulairy 13 January 2014 09: 03
    -6
    Not bad, not bad. We love to build utopias. You can even write a novel based on the alliance of communists and nationalists. Only he will be on the "alternative history" shelf in the "fantasy" section. No one in the West will allow Russia to move on a "new course". Even rock the boat "left and right". Civil War? Come on! And who will go to the barricades, and not to your favorite supermarket? How many people know how to handle weapons? Until we are squeezed out of the territories by the "Caucasian clans" paid by the West, the Chinese and Kazakh brigades, we will quietly weaken and soon disappear, as Byzantium disappeared, leaving behind the Balkan states-fragments ...
  • Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 13 January 2014 09: 05
    +3
    With regard to the current government, representatives of the new force are required to show complete intransigence. Something like this: in no case should you give up your hands on receptions, always speak extremely harshly and in raised tones (at the slightest opportunity, you can just blame yourself and not let bureaucrats say a word in response).

    This made me laugh. If only irreconcilability is manifested in this, no one will take such a "new force" seriously. This is the first thing.
    Secondly, as already noted here, everything has already been invented long ago, all methods of combating power that have lost the confidence of the people are known. Why reinvent the wheel? The fact that socialism is the only true and possible political system for a Russian person has already been convinced by all sane people. And we also have this experience. And how to solve the national question can also be read from the classics. For centuries, Russia has been a multinational power, all the troubles, wars and other disasters we experienced together. The reason for our Russian national catastrophe, which is happening now with us, is not at all the multinationality of our country, but the political course of the existing government.
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 13 January 2014 09: 06
    +2
    Nothing changes in the minds of some audiences.
    The first point is to withdraw and review.
    The following four points - how to divide?
    Sixth paragraph
    Ubiquitous recovery of production
    .
    Blast furnace in every peasant's yard - good?
    If the author had thrown out all of his expression nafig, and devoted one sixth paragraph of his material - the benefits would be immeasurably greater. And for the author too.
    Minus.
    1. Sour
      Sour 13 January 2014 10: 35
      +3
      Quote: BigRiver
      If the author had thrown out all of his expression nafig, and devoted one sixth paragraph of his material - the benefits would be immeasurably greater. And for the author too.

      I join many times.
      All oppositionists - even liberals, even communists, even nationalists - offer only "who to shoot" and "how to divide correctly." But how to increase - not a word. At best, baby talk about building new factories. What will be produced for them, who will be sold products, who will work for them - is silent. They are no longer interested in this, for it is too prosaic.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 14 January 2014 13: 05
        +1
        Once again - the Communist Party - this is not the opposition or even the Communists. And the Communists are well aware of how you can use the selected for the development of the economy. Such an industrialization as the Bolsheviks did, the world has not seen.
  • riding
    riding 13 January 2014 09: 07
    +2
    Some kind of folly in the whole text. Selective internationalism in a country with more than 170 nationalities, what will it lead to? Where will the Caucasus go? Will we completely remove it? Interestingly, because Stalin was primarily a statesman, the creator of the empire, he would not have stroked his head for such conversations. Is uniting communists and fascists okay?
    And the points you proposed can be accepted without such extremism.
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 14 January 2014 13: 17
      0
      Why clean it up? Abrekov to be sent to Turkey or to the geyropu and settled by Russians.
  • ramsi
    ramsi 13 January 2014 09: 09
    +1
    but it seems to me that the longer we don’t understand what the author is talking about, the longer we will stand "raskoryak"
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 13 January 2014 09: 25
    +5
    I can’t understand those who are trying to exclude internationalism from the social system in our multinational country. All references to the fact that there can be no friendship with the peoples of the Caucasus are nonsense. All in all, it is necessary to restore order in law enforcement agencies, to exclude bribes and corruption. Then before the law everyone will be equal. And then there will be no reason for hatred, all the more so frantic and so selective. Now Nationalism, what is it? I can only say how I understand it. Nationalism is the desire to improve the life of the nation, to eradicate drunkenness, drug addiction, and gradually give up smoking. Nationalism is respect for elders, the desire for education and culture (forget about profanity in general. That’s what nationalism is in my understanding. Is there anything listed in our country? No, and it’s not visible. Well then, what can I talk about?
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 13 January 2014 10: 09
      +1
      As far as I understand, internationalism is for external use, where it has not fully justified itself. For internal use, there was a friendship of peoples, and its fruits are ambiguous, along with the pros and cons were found.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 13 January 2014 10: 19
        +2
        no cons were found, they were found as valuable sprouts, watered and weeded, fertilized, and achieved all the same, they grew something.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 13 January 2014 11: 13
        +5
        Quote: Jurkovs
        internationalism for external use, where it is not fully justified

        You forgot about Cuba! That's who honestly thanked for all the good that was done by the USSR. Even after the collapse, countries in Cuba continued to treat and help those affected by Chernobyl free of charge. Children were accepted at their own expense, and no one there did not roll a barrel to the USSR and does not roll! It’s just that you need to approach external international assistance with analysis.
        1. yehat
          yehat 13 January 2014 11: 29
          0
          Cuba was forgiven for enormous external debt.
        2. yehat
          yehat 13 January 2014 11: 29
          +1
          Cuba was forgiven for enormous external debt.
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 13 January 2014 12: 36
            -3
            Quote: yehat
            Cuba was forgiven for enormous external debt.

            And Ukraine was also allocated 15 billion. In total, Tupin paid the "allies" 29 + 15 = 44 billion dollars. Tupin - Generous soul! Truth at someone else's expense.
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 12: 58
              +1
              Quote: Warrawar
              And Ukraine was also allocated 15 billion. In total, Tupin paid the "allies" 29 + 15 = 44 billion dollars. Tupin - Generous soul! Truth at someone else's expense.


              Oh yes, I bet, with the first missile defense missiles in the Crimea or near Kharkov there would be something like
              "Tupin once again did not defend the interests of the country! Tupin is an accomplice of the USA"
              1. Warrawar
                Warrawar 14 January 2014 01: 31
                0
                Quote: sledgehammer102
                Oh yes, I bet, with the first missile defense missiles in the Crimea or near Kharkov there would be something like
                "Tupin once again did not defend the interests of the country! Tupin is an accomplice of the USA"

                A pretty little business is obtained. Or you give us money or we will host Euro-pro. And most importantly, people are being led.
                So wait in the near future when Ukraine will ask for not more than 15 billion for its loyalty. A little more.
                So we will placate all "soyuznechkov" until the money runs out.
                1. sledgehammer102
                  sledgehammer102 14 January 2014 04: 04
                  -1
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  So wait in the near future when Ukraine will ask for not 15 billions anymore, for its loyalty.


                  We are waiting, sir, che))) We will talk about this after the fact.
                2. alicante11
                  alicante11 14 January 2014 13: 33
                  0
                  A pretty little business is obtained. Or you give us money or we will host Euro-pro. And most importantly, people are being led.


                  Actually, they refused at first, and then they got grandmas. And secondly, they dipped the geyropeyts into poop so that it would be impossible for Yanukov to appear in a geyropu anymore.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 14 January 2014 13: 31
            -1
            Here I am interested in the term "forgiven". And what was the opportunity to recover it? Can you tell me how these "assets" could be realized?
  • vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx 13 January 2014 09: 27
    +2
    As for the Caucasus, it is impossible to lose it, it is necessary to be even hotter with them, they are still in feudalism.

    Grandfather caught a goldfish, she says let go for three wishes
    Grandfather-first: bring all the stubborn Caucasians together, they are so
    wanted to live on their own, the second: move the Chinese wall and their gardens
    goldfish: grandfather that you care about others, give yourself a wish
    Grandfather-third: now fill it all with concrete.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 13 January 2014 09: 31
    +5
    Delicious temka. But the author is really too much like a "young rebel" in his statements. But at the same time "someone must do", which suggests the idea of ​​senile weakness or, God forgive me, provocations.

    Now specifically.
    The Communist Party is not an opposition - it is a branch of power. A pocket dog that won't go anywhere further than your pocket. Of course, it seems very beneficial to use this "army". But, excuse me, the army is so decayed and rotten that it has become no better than RIA in WWI. Perhaps there are ideological communists and fighters there, but only in a deeply rank-and-file composition, and at the top are petty-bourgeois conciliators. And they will not let anyone on top of them. And help them in this ... that's right, power.

    Nationalists do not have a homogeneous mass. There are Nazis, there is the Russian Orthodox Church, there are monarchists, there are just ordinary patriots. And among each group there are also good people. Some defend the people from the domination of "chu.rok", some devote themselves free of charge to helping orphans and young soldiers, some just work, pay taxes, finally give birth to children, etc. But that's why they don't come together? Why are they different? Because they are also run by people who have their own gesheft. Some - to receive money from the supply of "cannon fodder" for protests, from others - to live on church property, for the third - to show their importance as the old-new elite - the nobility and in the future, possibly, to receive the "inheritance" that they were allegedly deprived of Bolsheviks. So, will they really allow to unite with the Communists, if they cannot unite among "their own"? At the same time, given the totalitarianism of all these structures, the possibility of changing the situation in the leadership, I would call a value not even zero, but negative.

    That's the whole problem now, that there is NO force that would unite all patriotic movements. And she cannot grow up. Because an organization needs FUNDING. Who financed the Bolshevik Party? That's right, ranging from foreign intelligence services and exes to their own bourgeoisie, who gave money for various reasons, but mainly because they were not confident in the government, which constantly compromised its power. Is such financing possible now? The money is given by the State Department, and it is clear that the second time they will not be mistaken and will not give money to any communists, and even more so to patriots. The oligarchs and officials firmly hold the helm of government in their hands and have properly strengthened the notorious "vertical of power", squeezed the people by the police, internal troops, the lawlessness of the diasporas and officials. Remains "exes". But they will not provide sufficient funding, turn the people against the movement and legitimize the struggle against it by the oligarchic state. Yes, and it is not capitalists who will suffer from the "exs" now, but simple "investors", not to mention the fact that they will bring a criminal element into the party, which will then arrange a "red terror" and who will have to arrange "37th year."

    In total, the situation, as I said earlier, is quite hopeless. Much more hopeless than at the beginning of the 20 century.
    1. optimist
      optimist 13 January 2014 09: 49
      +4
      Quote: alicante11
      That's the whole problem now, that there is NO force that would unite all patriotic movements. And she cannot grow up. Because an organization needs FUNDING. Who financed the Bolshevik Party? That's right, ranging from foreign intelligence services and exes to their own bourgeoisie, who gave money for various reasons, but mainly because they were not confident in the government, which constantly compromised its power. Is such financing possible now? The money is given by the State Department, and it is clear that the second time they will not be mistaken and will not give money to any communists, and even more so to patriots. The oligarchs and officials firmly hold the helm of government in their hands and have properly strengthened the notorious "vertical of power", squeezed the people by the police, internal troops, the lawlessness of the diasporas and officials. Remains "exes". But they will not provide sufficient funding, turn the people against the movement and legitimize the struggle against it by the oligarchic state. Yes, and it is not capitalists who will suffer from the "exs" now, but simple "investors", not to mention the fact that they will bring a criminal element into the party, which will then arrange a "red terror" and who will have to arrange "37th year."

      Unfortunately, you are completely and completely right. The author of the article is either a petty provocateur or a naive calf.
      Quote: alicante11
      In total, the situation, as I said earlier, is quite hopeless. Much more hopeless than at the beginning of the 20 century.

      This is exactly the worst thing! Anyone who really starts to oppose the current government will quickly form a "company" for Klochkov and Khabarov. Putler and his accomplices calculated everything perfectly: they will "milk" Russia to the last, and when the situation gets out of control, they will dump on the "alternate airfields" of the West. The problem is that, by remaining here, we can simply not pull the country out of this "ass" where it will fall ...
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 13 January 2014 10: 15
        -1
        Quote: optimist
        Putler and his accomplices calculated everything perfectly: they will "milk" Russia to the last, and when the situation gets out of control, they will dump on the "alternate airfields" of the West. The problem is that, by remaining here, we can simply not pull the country out of this "ass" where it will fall.

        Yes, this is the main problem. The stupid man has in his hands the entire repressive apparatus + modern tracking technologies. There is really nothing to be done, one at a time or in small groups, even large groups (several thousand people each) have nothing to achieve - they will kill and transplant everyone. Here millions are needed to change something.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 13 January 2014 13: 22
        0
        Well, they have nowhere to run. Cyprus, Berezovsky, Litvinenko, Mubarak, Gaddafi, Saddam showed well how the West treats foreign oligarchs, leaders and their six. Therefore, on this score I am almost calm. Why "almost". Because "all of a sudden" the West will press so hard that they still clash with our oligarchs ... However, this is unlikely.
        The danger lies elsewhere. Defending their capital and property stolen from the people, they are now fighting according to the rules of the enemy. And who sets the rules wins. Why, Germany was a powerful country before WWI. I almost moved the whole of Europe with cancer. And all the same they crushed. Moreover, and Russia at the same time. And Russia survived only because there were people who changed the "rules" of the struggle, turning Russia on the path of socialism. And new disasters began precisely when we turned from this path during perestroika. The current Russian Federation is in no way comparable to either the USSR or the German Empire. Therefore, they can break our backbone with even greater ease. And if not for nuclear weapons, they would have done it long ago.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 13 January 2014 13: 34
          +3
          Quote: alicante11
          Why, Germany was a powerful country before WWI. I almost moved the whole of Europe with cancer. And all the same they crushed. Moreover, and Russia at the same time. And Russia survived only because there were people who changed the "rules" of the struggle, turning Russia on the path of socialism.

          Not so fast, slow down ...
          In the beginning there was a period of "war communism", which was followed by the time of the NEP.
          And in a separate line, you can draw the causes of the devastation of the country and industry, which were followed by the "decisions" of Lenin's effective managers.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 13 January 2014 15: 26
            0
            And what, local gibbon, what speed do you follow :)?

            And what, that since the beginning there was a period of VK and NEP, does this somehow cancel the fact that the USSR switched to socialist rails? VK was a necessary measure. And the NEP is most likely an erroneous decision, although this is a topic for a separate big debate.

            And in a separate line, you can draw the causes of the devastation of the country and industry, which were followed by the "decisions" of Lenin's effective managers.


            Can. The immediate cause is the World War, mediocrely dried out by the tsarist "effective managers". And, more broadly, the decay of the tsarism, rotten and mired in corruption. Doesn't it look like anything?
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 13 January 2014 17: 43
              +4
              Quote: alicante11
              And what, local gibbon, what speed do you follow :)?

              At home and at school did not teach politeness?
              Quote: alicante11
              The immediate cause is the World War, mediocrely dried out by the tsarist "effective managers". And, more broadly, the decay of the tsarism, rotten and mired in corruption.

              Brest-Litovsk "Mir-Druzhba-Chewing gum" with Germany concluded by mediocre tsarist "effective managers"? Did Nicholas II and the Provisional Government proclaim slogans about the transfer of the imperialist war to a civil one?
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 14 January 2014 11: 34
                0
                At home and at school did not teach politeness?


                Courtesy was taught. And he later realized that with insolent people you need to be insolent.
                It was for you to wave a striped stick in my face :).

                Brest-Litovsk "Mir-Druzhba-Chewing gum" with Germany concluded by mediocre tsarist "effective managers"? Did Nicholas II and the Provisional Government proclaim slogans about the transfer of the imperialist war to a civil one?


                From-so from. And who brought the army to the Brest-Litovsk peace? Really not Nikolay personally? Or is it with us, the red commanders made several disasters in East Prussia, the Gorlitsky breakthrough, surrendered the belt of Polish fortresses almost without a fight. Probably the Bolshevik pests could not provide the army with shells and even rifles with cartridges. Of course, Lenin personally selected the morons-generals, about whom the Germans said that they could allow such maneuvers on the eastern front that they would not dare to conduct on the western. And no less than admiral debills, in whom 4 of the latest battleships in the entire war did not fire a single shot at the enemy, while the old battleships fought twice against half of the Hochseflotte in the Gulf of Riga. And, probably, Stalin personally dragged Russia into the war for some reason. Although the latter is just understandable. Along the way, the Bolsheviks there in Europe in the emigration of holiday embezzlement loans, and tsarism had to pay for them with Russian blood, getting into a completely unnecessary war.
  • nils
    nils 13 January 2014 09: 41
    +1
    Without a Tsar in the Fatherland, without a king in his head. without Faith in the soul - one wisdom!
    1. alicante11
      alicante11 13 January 2014 13: 25
      +3
      In-in, but with the king and no wise man, one mess.
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 13 January 2014 10: 06
    +2
    The article put a plus - for the promise.
    But most of what is written in this article is nonsense.
    Firstly, the author has a "prefabricated salanka" in his head. He obviously heard something about the nationalists, but did not fully understand it.
    Why did the author decide that the nationalists are for the "Tsar-Father"? nationalists do not voice such thoughts at all. Yes, and these thoughts contradict the very nationalist ideology.
    Later. The author says that nationalities are a young and unorganized movement. Well, this is complete nonsense ... nationalism is quite an old and mature movement.
    And the author made the funniest statement at the end of the article. Having said that it is necessary to unite socialism and nationalism. Well, in general, nationalism was originally based on socialism. Hitler's party was called the National Socialist. And modern nationalists position themselves as National Socialists. There are really all sorts of national democrats or national monarchists, but these are usually "freaks". Real nationalism is National Socialism.
    In general, the thoughts in the direction of nationalism are correct and it is very good that people are beginning to ask questions "what if ..."
  • Stinger
    Stinger 13 January 2014 10: 11
    +4
    Hard -. There is nothing easier than writing programs in the form of slogans. There is nothing more difficult to implement them. Recall how the mice came up with a bell to hang on the cat's neck to warn of his approach. Everyone was delighted with the idea. Until they raised the question of who this bell will hang the cat on the neck.
  • Clegg
    Clegg 13 January 2014 10: 24
    -4
    Maybe tryndet enough about the comers?

    Another question is who and where has come
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 13 January 2014 10: 42
      +2
      Novgorod before the X century did not exist?
    2. Sour
      Sour 13 January 2014 10: 53
      +5
      Quote: Clegg
      Another question is who and where has come

      Ek, how deeply you got into history. And is it okay that until the 6th century the Turks lived only in Central Asia, and the Indo-European peoples inhabited the territory of Kazakhstan and Altai? Let’s, without picking in the distant past, this is not in your own interests.
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 13 January 2014 10: 55
        +2
        Well Indo-Europeans Indo-Europeans are different) Iranians are quite far from Europeans.
        1. Sour
          Sour 13 January 2014 11: 03
          +5
          Quote: Basileus
          Iranians are quite far from Europeans.

          I know.
          However, they are not Turkic or Mongoloid.
          In general, I do not like speculation in the distant past. I remember discussing with one Nogai madame. She proposed creating a Nogai state, and expelling Russians as aliens from the North Caucasus. And when I proved to her that in the North Caucasus (specifically, the Taman Peninsula), the Slavs appeared before the Kipchaks (the ancestors of the Nogais), then she immediately shut up. Madame obviously relied on the fact that the interlocutor does not know the story.
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 13 January 2014 11: 20
            +4
            To argue who appeared earlier somewhere, and then to draw conclusions about the appropriateness of certain peoples in their current place is really an ungrateful matter. For all eventually left and came. The same Slavs did indeed exist in the Caucasus, but they gained a foothold even after the death of the ZO.

            On the other hand, she waved rather weakly. It was necessary to ask the entire steppe from the Don to the Urals.
          2. Egoza
            Egoza 13 January 2014 11: 20
            +1
            Quote: Sour
            I remember discussing with one Nogai madame.

            That sho you discussed! It was necessary to immediately cut off - "All descended from the ancient Aryans, that is, the Ukrainians!" laughing
      2. Clegg
        Clegg 13 January 2014 12: 02
        -1
        Quote: Sour
        Let’s, without picking in the distant past, this is not in your own interests.

        The difference between us is that we do not say "come in large numbers" to the nationalities in Kazakhstan.
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 13 January 2014 12: 45
          +1
          Quote: Clegg
          The difference between us is that we do not say "come in large numbers" to the nationalities in Kazakhstan.

          Actually, if anything, the "come in large numbers" Russians came in large numbers to your Kazakhstan, along with the Russian lands. At the direction of the Red leaders.
          So you can drive the hitting Russians. True, they will leave you with their lands.

          "Russian Europeans" demand the return of Northern Kazakhstan to Russia
          http://www.m-astana.kz/article/view?id=700
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 13 January 2014 13: 15
            -1
            Quote: Warrawar
            Actually, if anything, the "come in large numbers" Russians came in large numbers to your Kazakhstan, along with the Russian lands. At the direction of the Red leaders.
            So you can drive the hitting Russians. True, they will leave you with their lands.

            Drink less often)
            1. Warrawar
              Warrawar 14 January 2014 01: 38
              +1
              Quote: Clegg
              Drink less often)

              I do not drink.
              Pavlodar
              Petropavlovsk
              Ore
              Stepnogorsk
              Schuchinsk
              Lisakovsk
              Makinsk
              Bulaevo
              Sergeevka
              Derzhavinsk
              Stepnyak
              And also the cities renamed to Kazakhstan.
              All this you have to give. The Russians did not give their consent to the transfer of their lands to other states. And all the more, they did not give their consent that they would be made citizens of a foreign country and excommunicated from their homeland.
              We will fight. The process is already running.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 14 January 2014 07: 44
                +1
                Quote: Warrawar
                The Russians did not give their consent to the transfer of their lands to other states.

                These are Turkic and Kazakh lands, the consent of the Russians, who has nothing to do with these lands, is not required for this.
                Your land is in Muscovy within Germany.

                Quote: Warrawar
                We will fight. The process is already running.

                Wait and see)
              2. Basileus
                Basileus 14 January 2014 09: 32
                +1
                Nobody forces anyone to live in a foreign country, do not you think? Excommunicated - come back. Let me remind you, not Kazakhstan destroyed the Soviet Union, but Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. What does our drunk even Crimea beat off the will was not enough.
              3. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu 14 January 2014 11: 09
                +1
                Quote: Warrawar
                Pavlodar
                Petropavlovsk
                Ore
                Stepnogorsk
                Schuchinsk
                Lisakovsk
                Makinsk
                Yep ..
                Urals
                Chelyabinsk
                Saratov
                Barnaul
                Altai
                Tyumen ... laughing

                Quote: Warrawar
                The process is already running.

                Your processor is running, a long time ago fellow
              4. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu 14 January 2014 11: 09
                +1
                Quote: Warrawar
                Pavlodar
                Petropavlovsk
                Ore
                Stepnogorsk
                Schuchinsk
                Lisakovsk
                Makinsk
                Yep ..
                Urals
                Chelyabinsk
                Saratov
                Barnaul
                Altai
                Tyumen ... laughing

                Quote: Warrawar
                The process is already running.

                Your processor is running, a long time ago fellow
    3. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 14 January 2014 11: 03
      +2
      Quote: Clegg
      Another question is who and where has come
      Everyone once, somewhere "came in large numbers"
      Who is earlier, who is later ..
      And, in fact, "Muroma" are Russians (ugly), so ...
    4. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 14 January 2014 11: 03
      +2
      Quote: Clegg
      Another question is who and where has come
      Everyone once, somewhere "came in large numbers"
      Who is earlier, who is later ..
      And, in fact, "Muroma" are Russians (ugly), so ...
  • Sour
    Sour 13 January 2014 10: 49
    +1
    The author clearly believes that all the problems of Russia, economic, social and national, are solved simply - by changing the current government to "good and correct". He, the campaign, does not even think of the elementary truth that the standard of living depends on the level of the economy. However, he is not alone. Many seriously believe that with Russian labor productivity it is possible to have a European standard of living, it is enough to bring good people to power.
    But how to increase this labor productivity - not a word about it. For here it is necessary to have a special education, qualification, knowledge of economics and production. And this is too boring and uninteresting. The revolution is much more interesting, and most importantly, it does not require any education, just dumb hatred for those who have earned at least a ruble more.
    1. yehat
      yehat 13 January 2014 11: 20
      0
      a recipe for raising productivity was invented by the USSR.
      technology development. Technologically intensive production with a high share of surplus value compensates for all the disadvantages of climate and logistics.
      And environmental and resource reserves provide a broad base for development and the selection of profitable development paths.
      The main thing to remember is that no labor efficiency will satisfy the speculator and the robber. If you calm them down, it will become much easier to live.
      1. Sour
        Sour 13 January 2014 13: 50
        +1
        Quote: yehat
        If you calm them down, it will become much easier to live.

        Well, of course. "Whom else to kill to make life better" is the dream of any ideological communist. And any bandit.
        You Communists call anyone who lives better than you a speculator and a robber. This is what I understood a long time ago.
        Quote: yehat
        a recipe for raising productivity was invented by the USSR.
        technology development

        Of course, of course ... all technologies were invented in the USSR. It is not clear only why it fell to pieces. Ah, well, yes, you have a standard answer for this case - "the machinations of enemies." How did I forget about such a wonderful, universal answer.
        With a scoop, 50% of the industry worked idle at a warehouse. Products lay there unclaimed, waiting for the end of the write-off period. Then - to the dump. I know this and have seen it with my own eyes. This was especially true for shoes, textiles and machine tool products. Not surprisingly, in a normal economy, these industries died out in the first place. They were supported artificially, at the expense of other industries and at a loss to them. Other industries have died out due to a reduction in military spending, I personally know such enterprises. And they did not give in to conversion in principle, because of their specificity. It was impossible to convert them for anything. You just don’t know anything about the soviet realities. Otherwise, they would not sing praises to them.
        And if you know these realities, but you are still delighted with them, then this means that you hate Russia and its people. For me, the one who deliberately wants to once again plunge Russia into the soviet "paradise" - the sworn enemy of my Motherland and my people.
      2. Bigriver
        Bigriver 13 January 2014 15: 27
        0
        Quote: yehat
        a recipe for raising productivity was invented by the USSR.
        technology development. Technologically intensive production with a high share of surplus value compensates for all the disadvantages of climate and logistics.

        This is a recipe for a closed system living in parallel reality. Well, or, in an alternative smile
        Do you propose again to close the borders (economic, informational, intellectual, etc.) and start creating a "laboratory" economy on a limited area of ​​land?
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  • SPACE
    SPACE 13 January 2014 11: 21
    +1
    The article, how many letters there are in this ... For a long time, everything is much simpler and more concise: "Putin go away" Unites everyone laughing
  • Pirr
    Pirr 13 January 2014 11: 32
    +1
    No one considers the present Greeks or current Italians the descendants of those same ancient Greeks and ancient Romans. Modern Greece - 192 years, modern Italy - 152 years. Russia alone is one thousand years old. Is it because your society is so painfully divided into Soviet and anti-Soviet, nationalists and liberals that you constantly drag out the old ideological phantoms from the rich and contradictory past of the countries that have settled on oblivion that have settled on your land - Kievan Rus, the Moscow kingdom, the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. Either Minin and Pozharsky emerge, then Stalin, then Vladimir the Holy, then Alexander Nevsky, then the Writers' Union, then Stolypin, then the patriarch Germogen, then the TRP complex, then Dzerzhinsky, then the new martyrs shot by him, then Vologda butter, or doctor’s sausage. This is an utter brew of historical myths, nostalgic memories, naive credulity and deep complexes, peppered with wild illiteracy, now they are trying to turn it into a national idea and even teach at school. Will not work. Russians are the same descendants of the giants of the past as the current carriage driver Dostoevsky or the tongue-tied owner of the leisure center Lermontov are descendants of the classics of Russian literature. For this reason, Ms. Mizulina wants to introduce Orthodox Russia by law - to enter Orthodoxy into the constitution as a “guiding and directing force”, as if we write in - and everything will be as on Vasnetsov's frescoes and Shishkin's paintings. Will not be. I am convinced that Russia will find its identity and will calm down when it understands that the secular nature of the state, freedom of conscience, freedom of the press and assembly, fair elections, a fair trial, respect for the rights of various minorities - this is the Russian way. And there is no other. In any case, it was the pursuit of these values ​​that stood behind the events of 1991. And to one degree or another - behind the events of 1905 and 1917. In the XX century, the Russian Empire fell, then the Soviet Union, which destroyed it, also collapsed. The Russian Federation will undoubtedly fall apart if it does not set foot on that only true “Russian path”, from which the country is constantly being turned down into the frenzy of a cannibalistic social experiment, then into kleptocracy with a bell ringing.
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 13 January 2014 11: 47
    -3
    The life of people strongly depends on nature, the end of the world with the Flood is planned in nature, and in these conditions the human alternative is war communism with rations or anarchy with cannibalism. The United States, Switzerland, China have chosen war communism and do not particularly hide the evacuation programs. The leadership of the Russian Federation is supporters of cannibalism, therefore, no preparation of the population from above is conducted, and the initiative from below is blocked by laws on press, meetings and counter-propaganda of the authorities (here on the site comments like "what did you smoke?", On other sites hacking), we need to overcome this together and build communism following the example of the capitalists.
    When the natural conditions improve (10 ... 20 years after the cataclysm) it will be possible to return to socialism and capitalism (a multistructure society), but even then the political structure will depend on the natural situation.
    For example, numerous pre-signals of cometary explosions in the near future are now visible, so some groups of people will have to migrate from the affected areas and introduce communism for the duration of the migration. To protect against comets, you need a centralized system and a decent technique like http://sinteh.info/?p=1960 that is, state capitalism or socialism.
  • Khrushchev
    Khrushchev 13 January 2014 11: 51
    +1
    It was possible not to get scared, but honestly write in the heading "the future of the Russian Federation is National Socialism"
    1. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 12: 22
      +2
      Quote: Khrushchev
      future RF is national socialism "


      Rather, step into the abyss.
      1. alone
        alone 13 January 2014 20: 01
        0
        If you read carefully half the comments, then a step into the abyss is somewhere hanging around.
  • RUSS
    RUSS 13 January 2014 12: 08
    0
    The author somehow one-sidedly and not objectively "painted" the political alignment, the smart guy drew himself, the monarchists are "clouded", I am not a monarchist, I really understand monarchy in today's Russia, this is a utopia or just delirium, but many monarchists are real patriots of their country, people who rightly believe that a constitutional monarchy could take place in Russia after the 17th year, the tsar in Russia is more than the tsar in any European country. The same Stalin, that is not a "monarch"?
    And the author also calls Petersburg Leningrad, but for some reason the Tver region is not the Kalinin region, if the theme of Stalingrad, etc. has already begun, then let all the cities be called Soviet time: Sverdlovsk, Kuybyshev, Gorky, etc.
  • Voinnet
    Voinnet 13 January 2014 12: 26
    +1
    The topic about the need for socialism, honestly, the ideas are interesting, but some are empty ... I just want to ask you to write an article called "If I were president" like in kindergarten, yes ... but just such an article will show who is who ... And not just a list like to eradicate corruption, but how exactly step by step ... Describe each step, specific actions. And so? Just shake the air, or translate the parchment, or rather, in this case, in vain to fill the keys!
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 13 January 2014 12: 35
    +1
    AUTHOR ON THE NUMBER is necessary!
    or it is a paid PROPAGANDA - that in the COUNTRY TO INCREASE ROSNY between the PEOPLES!
    Lived and live well!
    90s bad and hard years have survived! NOBODY ESTABLISHED A REVOLUTION - JUST ALL WORK!
    everyone had a garden, etc.

    ASK YOUNG PEOPLE WHEN THEY LAST TIME -PUT THE POTATO ??? I assure you 20-30%, many go and buy it!
    Everyone wants to LIVE well .... WORK what figs you make!


    And the respected AUTHOR suggests arranging a REVOLUTION ??? SMOOTHING AN APPOINTMENT FROM THE STATE DEPARTMENT!

    I can HONESTLY - I already HEAR from many BLOGGERS and offer to WRITE about the President and ALL NEGATIVE! NOT FOR FREE AND FOR BUTTERS!
    PEOPLE purposefully push their foreheads!
    Gather BRAINS and start to THINK --- THIS I AM MORE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE! for she is not grown on Soviet ideals ....... And on the US PROPAGANDA by the BOX!

    WHAT IS EVERYTHING GOOD AND HERE! THIS IS NOT TRUE .....
    WE HAVE A CAREFULLY WANTED TO BUILD THE INTERNAL WAR AND BETWEEN THE BIT!
    ENGLISH AND Americans are masters in THESE MATTERS!


    Sometimes I think - why OURS do NOT DO ANYTHING in response ???
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 13 January 2014 12: 43
      0
      Do you think the job is only to plant potatoes? I work out my money, so doing more agricultural work in my free time does not attract me. It’s better to do something around the house.
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 13: 00
        0
        Quote: Basileus
        I work out my money, so doing more agricultural work in my free time does not attract me. It’s better to do something around the house.


        In his message, Nitaririus hints to you that you now have work and a house and a computer and money for internet and home repairs, which you could only dream about in 90x, except for apartments.
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 13 January 2014 13: 30
          +1
          There is no such thing. He does not hint, he directly says that "planting potatoes" is work. And "buying" means wanting a good life and not working. The logic is strange, but this is what comes out of his message.
    2. General Ermolov
      General Ermolov 13 January 2014 12: 52
      -1
      when the Caucasians begin to slaughter your family and your children
      I'll see what you sing
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 13: 06
        0
        Quote: General Ermolov
        when the Caucasians begin to slaughter your family and your children


        How should people whose children were killed by Pomazun sing?
        And whose anthem is playing and who claps when the flag of Russia rises at the Olympic Games in the wrestling or boxing section to the sounds of the Russian anthem?
    3. striker
      striker 13 January 2014 22: 06
      0
      Quote: Nitarius
      AUTHOR ON THE NUMBER is necessary!
      it is a paid PROPAGANDA - that in the COUNTRY TO INCREASE ROSNY between the PEOPLES!




      SOON

  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 13 January 2014 12: 45
    +4
    The handball score of the article 26: 18 on 12: 30 MSC is NOT in favor of the author much, if not all explains ...
    1. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 13: 01
      0
      Quote: stalkerwalker
      The handball score of the article 26: 18 on 12: 30 MSC is NOT in favor of the author much, if not all explains ...


      The article is complete nonsense!
  • General Ermolov
    General Ermolov 13 January 2014 12: 51
    0
    article clearly plus
    only alas
    communists sold power
    and quietly sit in the Duma and Parliament
    hoping to grab a piece of cake too
  • sledgehammer102
    sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 13: 07
    +1
    Quote: sledgehammer102
    Quote: General Ermolov
    when the Caucasians begin to slaughter your family and your children


    How should people whose children were killed by Pomazun or Vinogradov sing?
    And whose anthem is playing and who claps when the flag of Russia rises at the Olympic Games in the wrestling or boxing section to the sounds of the Russian anthem?





    I think now it’s clear to you that it’s not the nationality that determines the personality, but directly it (the personality) itself.
    And individual miscarriages only spoil the image of this nationality.
  • ovgorskiy
    ovgorskiy 13 January 2014 13: 29
    +1
    The author Vladimir Glybin of Adolf Schicklgruber's laurels does not let him sleep well. I read "Mein Kampf", changed German Aryan to Russian and imagined himself the savior of the nation. By the way, it is very similar to the party created by the above-named character "German National Socialist Workers' Party" with his assault detachments. It would not be bad for Vladimir Glybin to remember the fate of his idol and prepare a rope for himself in advance.
    1. alone
      alone 13 January 2014 20: 04
      0
      Quote: ovgorskiy
      Vladimir Glybin recall the fate of his idol and pre-prepare yourself a rope.


      Sorry for the impossibility of the rope! crying