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Poland will defend itself against Iskander with Norwegian missiles

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The Norwegian company Kongsberg Defense Systems in recent years has achieved significant success on the Polish market for weapons and military equipment, mainly due to the sale of the Polish Navy to coastal NSM (Naval Strike Missile) anti-ship complexes.

Now the representatives of Kongsberg Defense Systems expect that the agreements concluded earlier with the Polish side will be the starting point in the field of military-technical cooperation with Poland, which is planned to be implemented in two directions.

In particular, the first area is related to the supply of NASAMS II short-range air defense systems in the interests of the Polish program for building a national missile defense system. It should be noted that the feature of this complex is the use of aviation AIM-120B / C AMRAAM missiles, which are already in service with the Polish Air Force F-16 fighters. At the same time, the Norwegian defenders are ready, if the Poles purchase NASAMS II air defense systems, to carry out their after-sales support and support, which in the future will allow them to buy these types of missiles not only for air defense systems, but also for F-16 aircraft.



Another area is the continuation of supplies to the Polish Army of NSM coastal anti-ship systems. Recall that at the end of June 2012, the coastal missile division with a place of deployment in the town of Semirowice was accepted into the Polish Navy. It is designed to cover the main naval bases of Poland from attacks by ships of a potential enemy, as well as to ensure actions fleet in the coastal zone. As noted by Polish military experts, thanks to its mobility, the division is able to cover almost completely the coast of Poland. At the same time, it can hit not only surface, but also ground targets at ranges of up to 200 km.

The military leadership of Poland, after analyzing the issues of exploitation and use of coastal anti-ship complexes, concluded that it would be expedient to acquire a second division. This is due to the fact that the combat potential, as it turned out, the already existing division does not fully ensure the fulfillment of the tasks of covering the sea coast of Poland on the one hand and fulfilling the role of weapons "Strategic intimidation" of the likely enemy on the other. Therefore, in the opinion of the Polish generals, the second division should enter into service with the ground forces of the Polish Army. In turn, such a decision may cause some surprise among military experts - why should the “infantry” anti-ship complexes? The fact is that the ground tests conducted by the Norwegian complex carried out at the request of the Polish side in the United States showed that anti-ship missiles were capable of very successfully hitting ground targets.

Thus, according to the calculations of the Polish generals, the second division should become exactly the weapon of “strategic intimidation” of which they have been dreaming for the last two years. In addition, this complex should become a kind of “antidote” to the Russian Iskander OTRK stationed in the Kaliningrad region, which is not concealed in Warsaw.

It should also be noted that the military-political leadership of Poland, concerned about the creation of the “Polish deterrent forces”, directed primarily against the Russian Federation, is considering the possibility of equipping the Norwegian NSM anti-ship missiles NSM with combat surface ships and, in the future, with submarines.
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  1. koksalek
    koksalek 13 January 2014 07: 13
    +15
    There was nothing to sell to the Americans, and there would be no reason to block the rocket picket fence
    1. Ihrek
      Ihrek 13 January 2014 07: 29
      +9
      They are well aware that Russia is not going to attack anyone. They just need to curry favor with the new older brother.
      1. complete zero
        complete zero 13 January 2014 08: 42
        0
        relations with the Poles, the whole history was "below the plinth" (then we are them, then they are us), therefore their actions are explainable and logical .... as well as ours.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 10: 26
          0
          Quote: Jamal
          They just need to curry favor with the new older brother.

          Rather, scratch your wounded this "Baltic Tiger", this is their state that forms the concept - "unequal opposition to the invasion orcs Russians on the young democracies of the Baltic. "

          Yes, and people already sensed that the furry fox would come to the whole Baltic, it's about their economy, especially about the closed nuclear power plants and the Baltic ports that are losing cargo in favor of the Russian ones, and no one is going to fight with them, they themselves will die out or leave.
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    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 13 January 2014 13: 45
      0
      Quote: koksalek
      There was nothing to sell to the Americans, and there would be no reason to block the rocket picket fence


      Let them pack :) Let the squander money squander under the dictation of overseas puppeteers and their fun. When the time comes, either there will not be enough missiles or they will not have time to launch.
  2. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 13 January 2014 07: 15
    0
    Polish ax, against the Russian hammer ... see who would whom ... laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 January 2014 07: 27
      +9
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Polish ax, against the Russian hammer ... to see who would whom.

      Well, read the story and fuck who whom and in what crevices.
    2. klimpopov
      klimpopov 13 January 2014 08: 44
      +3
      Oh yeah, what the hell does he watch who whom? Unless at the training ground ...
      Well, read the story and fuck who whom and in what crevices.

      laughing
    3. Alez
      Alez 13 January 2014 08: 54
      +5
      The complex should become a kind of "antidote" from the Russian OTRK Iskander.
      In this case, the complex cannot bring down Iskander. If the Iskanders were the first to start, no antidote to the Poles would help. The only thing is to have time to crawl to the cemetery, cursing the Russians.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 13 January 2014 09: 05
        +2
        And what for then crawl? Who cares where the guts unwind, although not, what guts. Atoms there ...
        1. alexng
          alexng 13 January 2014 10: 03
          +7
          Yes, even Iskander or Topol-M will not help the Poles. By the way, poplar will fly from Krasnoyarsk to Warsaw in about 10 minutes. And what were they going to shoot them down with? So far, there are no such funds in nature. Poplar is vulnerable only at startup, and then only the first 15-20 seconds. I am generally silent about Iskander - an ambush in Mach 6,4 with the inability to track the trajectory.
          1. wolfhunter2035
            wolfhunter2035 13 January 2014 11: 39
            -3
            I would have Poplar))) I would have smashed Warsaw from my native Krasnoyarsk)))
            1. alexng
              alexng 13 January 2014 13: 28
              +1
              Hello! And my family and I moved from Krasnoyarsk in 2004 to Belgorod. We really miss Siberia and in three years we plan to return to this beautiful city on retirement again.
            2. alexng
              alexng 13 January 2014 13: 28
              0
              Hello! And my family and I moved from Krasnoyarsk in 2004 to Belgorod. We really miss Siberia and in three years we plan to return to this beautiful city on retirement again.
              1. Nayhas
                Nayhas 13 January 2014 14: 06
                -1
                Quote: alexneg
                Hello! And my family and I moved from Krasnoyarsk in 2004 to Belgorod. We really miss Siberia and in three years we plan to return to this beautiful city on retirement again.

                You will probably be pleased with the fact that the metro is finally buried in Krasnoyarsk, that giant traffic jams paralyze the city in the morning ...
              2. mountain
                mountain 13 January 2014 20: 31
                0
                That traffic jams are true, but on the subway, money has been allocated, so that there will be a metro in the region.
                1. Nayhas
                  Nayhas 13 January 2014 20: 47
                  0
                  Quote: mountain
                  That traffic jams are true, but on the subway, money has been allocated, so that there will be a metro in the region.

                  Those. Having once again left the railway station, will I again see a familiar fence?
            3. samoletil18
              samoletil18 13 January 2014 13: 54
              0
              Quote: hanter2035
              I would have Poplar))) I would have smashed Warsaw from my native Krasnoyarsk)))

              And there was something in Kansk, it seems. Still alive?
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      2. AVV
        AVV 13 January 2014 09: 47
        +2
        The Poles are clearly overestimating the missiles they set that can only shoot down ballistic targets !!! That Iskander will not provide them with such pleasure !!!
        1. Ihrek
          Ihrek 13 January 2014 10: 50
          0
          Engaged in complacency. And the Norwegians just to shove.
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      3. APASUS
        APASUS 13 January 2014 21: 20
        +1
        Quote: Alez
        The complex should become a kind of "antidote" from the Russian OTRK "Iskander"

        I would also write a note to them in the press - let them suffer!Having analyzed the issues of operation and use of Iskander OTRK deployed in the Kaliningrad Region, the military leadership of Russia came to the conclusion that it would be advisable to place an additional division.
        So to speak at the request of the Polish comrades!
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 13 January 2014 13: 47
      +1
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Polish ax, against the Russian hammer ... see who would whom ... laughing


      Polish opzh against the Russian hedgehog soon. As my grandfather said - go to an equal battle, I’m with your head you with a lip.
  3. avant-garde
    avant-garde 13 January 2014 07: 17
    +8
    Papole about the attack of the Russian Federation does not stop and will not stop along the way, damn paranoid lol
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 13 January 2014 07: 22
      0
      Do not stop, what changes since the late 90s?
      Instead of begging loans, we give ourselves.
      They smiled ingratiatingly, now we are tougher ...
    2. DEfindER
      DEfindER 13 January 2014 09: 47
      +1
      Quote: avant-garde
      Papole about the attack of the Russian Federation does not stop and will not stop along the way, damn paranoid

      And I even feel sorry for the Poles, because of their paranoia they spend huge amounts of money on the defense industry, it would be better if they spent on the social network, or on the development of industry, so that people would stop leaving .. It’s still surprising that the F-16 is in service, they have MiG 29 was full, why spend billions on fighters of the same class?
      Such investments can be justified only if you plan aggressive actions, but I hope the Poles still have common sense not to do this.
      1. Akim
        Akim 13 January 2014 09: 57
        -1
        Quote: DEfindER
        Still surprising, the presence of the F-16 in service, they also had a full MiG-29, why spend billions on fighters of the same class?

        Is it difficult to read other sources? Poland has only 32 MiG-29s received from Germany.
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 13 January 2014 11: 28
          0
          Quote: Akim
          Is it difficult to read other sources? Poland has only 32 MiG-29s received from Germany.

          All MiGs to the Warsaw Pact countries were delivered from the Union, of course they wanted to establish their production in Poland but it didn’t work out .. And by the way they delivered $ 2-4 million at ridiculous prices. I did not find the exact information how many MiGs were delivered to Poland, in the 89th year 9 MiG-29 and 3 MiG-29UB. And if they added the GDRs to their moments, then buying phantoms is somehow not reasonable to put it mildly ..
          1. samoletil18
            samoletil18 13 January 2014 13: 58
            0
            then buying more phantoms is somehow not reasonable to say the least ..

            Do they also have F-4? Maybe the MiG-21 from the Romanians will buy? Or the Chinese?
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 13 January 2014 12: 21
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          Is it difficult to read other sources? Poland has only 32 MiG-29s received from Germany.


          It seems that you Akim, deny the presence of MiG29 in the NDP, received by it in the framework of the ATS ...


          Excerpt from Air Port:

          On September 26, 2003, the ceremony of handing over the first five MiG-29G / GT fighters on the Polish side. Rest 18 aircraft will be transferred until mid-2004.

          Poland decided to purchase from Germany 23 MiG-29G / GT fighters, which are being withdrawn from the German Air Force, in January 2002. This decision is considered as an intermediate option to meet the requirements for providing air defense systems, which are now organizationally included in the structure of the Air Force.

          The deal provides for the transfer of engines, spare parts and a large batch of air-to-air missiles for the MiG-29. While the planes are donated, the purchase will cost 120 million zlotys ($ 30 million), including funds for training, maintenance and technical inspections.

          Given the 22 MiG-29already in service with the Polish Air Force, a new batch of fighters will significantly strengthen the Polish air defense systems before new fighter aircraft enter service after 2006.
          http://www.aviaport.ru/digest/
          1. Akim
            Akim 13 January 2014 12: 53
            -1
            Paint the whole story?
            DEfindER p.
            Rav. Poland had only 12 MiG-29s (out of 36 planned).
            In the 95th, in exchange for helicopters from the Czech Republic, 10 MiG-29s were received
            In 97th, three cars were transferred to Israel
            In 2003, for 1 euro apiece, Poland acquired 23 fighters from Germany, but was able to put into operation only 14.
            Two aircraft crashed.
            The part is withdrawn as having used up its resources.
            Silniki do MiG-29 potrzebne na wczoraj
            For overhaul of engines agree with Ukraine, but so far at zero.

            MiG-29 in Poland 9.12,9.51
  4. Denis
    Denis 13 January 2014 07: 18
    +1
    weapons of "strategic deterrence"
    And whom are these clowns going to intimidate? On this whole monica page a couple of three from the Strategic Missile Forces is enough
    It’s not for nothing that these mongrels were ravaged, although they were those Mr. nukes, they would not have risked without a team
  5. makarov
    makarov 13 January 2014 07: 18
    +13
    That's the whole secret of military marketing + management.
    First you need to induce heartburn, intimidate with Russian missiles, and just Russian, and then as a panacea to suck in a frightened stale product, hanging on your ears that this product is a panacea for all diseases.
    At least compared the range of the defeat of Iskander and the AIM-120B / C AMRAAM aircraft missile, to see the lack of time ...........
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 13 January 2014 08: 35
      +8
      Quote: makarov
      At least compare the range of the defeat of Iskander and the AIM-120B / C AMRAAM aircraft missile, to see a short time .......


      RCC NSM about which they speak
      according to the calculations of the Polish generals, the second division should become exactly that weapon of the “strategic deterrence" about which they have been dreaming of the last two years. In addition, this complex should become a kind of "antidote" from the Russian OTRK Iskander, located in the Kaliningrad region,

      It has a maximum range of 185 km and a warhead weight of 120 kg. Iskander-M up to 500 km depending on the type of warhead (approximately 500 kg) As part of the Iskander-M OTRK, cruise missiles R-500, firing range by which, according to some statements, exceeds 2000 km
      And here with Clapdags American (AIM-120B / C AMRAAM) and Iskanders are generally incomprehensible ... Really Iskanders want to shoot them down? smile
      1. makarov
        makarov 13 January 2014 09: 00
        -1
        So am I about the same hi
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 13 January 2014 09: 46
        +1
        Really Iskander they want to bring down?

        Is it really possible to bring down the Iskander AIM-120B / C AMRAAM? Not if I can understand from the fighter, with visual visibility, somehow, but how about the earth ???
        1. Akim
          Akim 13 January 2014 09: 59
          -2
          Quote: Wedmak
          Is it really possible to bring down the Iskander AIM-120B / C AMRAAM?

          Any aerial target. The speed of this rocket is up to 3,5 Machs.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 13 January 2014 10: 19
            +1
            Any aerial target.

            Yeah. You forgot about guidance and range. Something I doubt that this system will have time to respond to the Iskander volley. Air defense is destroyed first, a massive volley of ballistic and cruise missiles, with the calculation of the simultaneous arrival of the target and the whisker ... there are no your batteries.
            1. Akim
              Akim 13 January 2014 10: 52
              -2
              Quote: Wedmak
              Air defense is destroyed first, a massive volley of ballistic and cruise missiles, with the calculation of the simultaneous arrival of the target and the whisker ... there are no your batteries.

              Let's start from not theory, but practice. Neither in Yugoslavia, the aviation and the Kyrgyz Republic of NATO, nor the Russian aviation in Georgia, the air defense was completely destroyed. You asked whether such a SAM can bring down? The answer is able. The probability is small, but it can.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 13 January 2014 11: 35
                +1
                Let's start from not theory, but practice. Neither in Yugoslavia, the aviation and the Kyrgyz Republic of NATO, nor the Russian aviation in Georgia, the air defense was completely destroyed. You asked whether such a SAM can bring down? The answer is able. The probability is small, but it can.

                It’s one thing to shoot down planes with a maximum speed of max 2 mach, and another aeroballistic missile, where it reaches 4M. Notice, maybe he will notice, but he may not be able to shoot down.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 13 January 2014 12: 32
                  -2
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Notice, maybe he will notice, but he may not be able to shoot down

                  It all depends on the degree of localization of hostilities. As part of the military bloc, Poland has an undeniable advantage. 40 km. is the distance the Iskander warheads approach. The short-range air defense system itself may be powerless.
              2. Rus2012
                Rus2012 13 January 2014 12: 37
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                You asked whether such a SAM can bring down? The answer is able. The probability is small, but it can.

                ... let's reason like that.
                Will the Russian Federation beat Iskanders against Polish air defense batteries and in what situation?
                If it comes to that, they won’t even understand what sent them to hell ...
                Rather, even the Yankees do not consider it necessary to warn them ...
                Anah?

                Finally, there remains a tiny chance that the Yankees, occupied with themselves, will put a long and thick one to break through the corridor of the Russian Armed Forces to their native enclave in Kaliningrad for reunion. Then, yes, they could dream ...
                But even then it is thought that Germany will blindly close its eyes to these petty pranks of Russians laughing
                1. Akim
                  Akim 13 January 2014 12: 56
                  -2
                  Quote: Rus2012
                  Finally, there remains a tiny chance that the Yankees, occupied with themselves, will put a long and thick one to break through the corridor of the Russian Armed Forces to their native enclave in Kaliningrad for reunion. Then, yes, they could dream ...
                  But even then it seems that Germany is interested to close its eyes to these petty Russian pranks

                  You tell me about geopolitics, and I tell you about the technical component.
              3. DEfindER
                DEfindER 13 January 2014 14: 36
                +2
                Quote: Akim
                You asked whether such a SAM can bring down? The answer is able. The probability is small, but it can.

                I would say that the probability is negligible, and it is not a matter of speed, but of the trajectory of the Iskander rocket, which even the rocket itself does not know, and generates it randomly during the flight, and accordingly it can enter the target as you like, there are 2 ways knock it down - either at the start, or with a laser on approach.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 13 January 2014 14: 45
                  -1
                  Quote: DEfindER
                  There are 2 ways to bring her down - either at the start, or with a laser on approach.

                  I told you, this is a flying distance. Ode missile will not knock down, and the installation of 6 rockets PU - can. A battery of 18 missiles will create an impassable zone for her.
  6. Ihrek
    Ihrek 13 January 2014 07: 19
    +7
    This is not a panacea for the Iskander. It would be simpler and more reliable not to install elements of the American missile defense system.
  7. major071
    major071 13 January 2014 07: 21
    +7
    the second division should become exactly that weapon of the “strategic deterrence" about which they have been dreaming for the last two years

    All gentlemen, we are now complete perdemonocles! laughing How to live now? We will not sleep peacefully. If psheks scared me in the South Urals, then in Kaliningrad they probably are shaking! wassat
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 January 2014 07: 28
      +5
      Quote: major071
      then in Kaliningrad, probably even shaking!

      Laughing
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 13 January 2014 08: 36
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Laughing

        ..and New Year's holidays
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 January 2014 08: 40
          +3
          Quote: Ascetic
          ..and New Year's holidays

          Yes, for sure, Yaroy is not visible, but he definitely celebrates yet. In any case, the day before yesterday on the site was in the trash. And then oops disappeared, maybe from the shake the keys no longer fall lol
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 13 January 2014 08: 53
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            , maybe it doesn’t get to the keys from the shake


            Maybe the fingers in the button do not mix. When I work on a laptop, they also often slide off (the keys are flat) when you type in half-blind, but on a regular keyboard, where the button keys are normal.

            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 January 2014 09: 17
              +1
              Quote: Ascetic
              When I work on a laptop, they also often slide off (the keys are flat) when you type in half-blind,

              Yes, I’m still on the laptop, but I’m not printing half-blind. smile
  8. 09061982
    09061982 13 January 2014 07: 21
    +1
    Polish ax, against the Russian hammer ... see who would whom ..

    I think Iskander will win, in order to bring him down, the missile should experience such overloads, in which it just falls apart ..
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 13 January 2014 10: 28
      +1
      Or possess a very powerful warhead, for example, in the 70s near Moscow there were anti-missiles with a nuclear warhead.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 14 January 2014 10: 34
        0
        Quote: cth; fyn
        for example, in the 70s near Moscow there were anti-missiles with a nuclear warhead.

        And near Donetsk (USSR).
        1. Akim
          Akim 14 January 2014 11: 15
          0
          Quote: Corsair
          And near Donetsk (USSR).


          Dear Pirate. These are fairy tales (legend, bike), as well as the fairway in Kalmius and the North Donets. In the Donetsk region, there was not even a long-range air defense system.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 14 January 2014 12: 03
            0
            Quote: Akim
            These are fairy tales (legend, bike)

            I will not argue at length about the "legend-reality", because
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                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 14 January 2014 12: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  as necessary, because already, since it was

                  Alexander, I did not quite understand your answer, please explain.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 12: 37
                    0
                    Quote: Corsair
                    Alexander, I did not quite understand your answer, please explain.

                    I myself did not understand, I inserted a trial comment, and then deleted it. So, by your machine, yours also left.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 14 January 2014 12: 33
              +1
              Quote: Corsair
              I will not argue extensively

              Corsair, try reposting, so there’s no problem
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 14 January 2014 12: 52
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Corsair, try reposting, so there’s no problem

                Thank! EARNED !!!
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 14 January 2014 12: 50
            0
            Quote: Akim
            These are fairy tales (legend, bike)

            Attempt # 3 will "get through" to Akim laughing
            Now even shorter:
            In the 90s, in one of the Donetsk newspapers (in which, I don’t remember, 20 years have passed ...) there was an article about the air defense zone near Donetsk, which was armed with missiles with nuclear warheads.

            Link to a possible (?) Dislocation object:http://znich.org.ua/?p=36

            Link to the ability of the C75 missiles to carry nuclear warheads (excuse me from Wikipedia request )
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D1-75

            In general, ALL questions to the Ukrainian press ...
            1. Akim
              Akim 14 January 2014 14: 28
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              In general, ALL questions to the Ukrainian press ...

              I say - a bike. We high school students raised this issue then. And in those days, this part still existed.
              508 ZRP (Donetsk, ASURK-1ma) HAD 4 zrdn (3 zrdn S-75 M2, one S-75 M3) and tdn-75. 4-p18 and 1 prv13 rf a4332 .... 508 zrp disbanded in December 1998. But missiles with apples weren’t at all.

              In the Donetsk region there was no nuclear weapon at all, not even imitation devices. In Kharkov in the 70s there were scientific tests.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 15 January 2014 07: 07
                0
                Quote: Akim
                I say - a bike.

                Quote: Akim
                In the Donetsk region there was no nuclear weapons at all

                Instead of "dismissing" the opponent, they would show a little curiosity and reasonable corrosiveness ...
                And then, perhaps, horizons of knowledge unknown before have opened before you.

                But this, so, LYRICS. I will pass to the essence:

                Link to the site of veterans of the 508th anti-aircraft missile regiment (military unit 83561)
                http://go-url.ru/dlfd

                Link to the presence of the complex S-75 M3
                Quote: Akim
                one S-75 M3
                (indicated by you) ... missiles with NWF (NWF)
                http://8oapvo.net/%D0%B7%D1%80%D0%B2#c75
                Clickable Image
  9. smart ass
    smart ass 13 January 2014 07: 22
    +3
    It is hardly believed that this miracle will bring down Iskander’s rocket ... In any case, it is better for the Poles not to check.
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 13 January 2014 07: 47
      0
      Yeah, and with the placement, think hard whether it’s worth it. repeat
    2. stayer
      stayer 13 January 2014 08: 17
      +1
      Quote: Clever man
      It is hardly believed that this miracle will bring down Iskander’s rocket ... In any case, it is better for the Poles not to check.

      According to the logic of things of the Poles, this complex should not bring down missiles from the Iskanders. This complex is for striking at sea and land targets. That is, as it were, he should strike at the Iskander complexes themselves, and not bring down their missiles. Here is a parsley ...
      1. Akim
        Akim 13 January 2014 09: 28
        0
        Quote: stayer
        According to the logic of things of the Poles, this complex should not bring down missiles from the Iskanders. This complex for striking at sea and land targets

        Do not confuse anti-ship missiles and air defense systems.
        1. stayer
          stayer 13 January 2014 11: 29
          +1
          Well, how is it that the article says

          Another direction is the continuation of supplies to the Polish Army of NSM coastal anti-ship complexes. Recall that at the end of June 2012, the Coastal Missile Division was accepted into the Polish Navy with a deployment site in the town of Semirovice. It is designed to cover the main naval bases of Poland from the attacks of ships of the likely enemy, as well as to ensure the actions of the fleet in the coastal zone. According to Polish military experts, thanks to its mobility, the division is capable of covering almost completely the coast of Poland. At the same time, it can hit not only surface, but also ground targets at a distance of 200 km.
          1. Akim
            Akim 13 January 2014 12: 27
            0
            Quote: stayer
            At the same time, it can hit not only surface, but also ground targets at ranges of up to 200 km.

            This does not mean that they will be directed exclusively against the Iskander. They are unlikely to be used in ground operations at all. In service with Poland are HIMARS on the Jelcz chassis, with an ATACMS Block IA missile up to 300 km. (replace Tochka-U).
            1. stayer
              stayer 13 January 2014 12: 56
              +1
              Quote: Akim
              They are generally unlikely to be involved in land operations.

              Well it is clear. We, too, seem to be unlikely to use our Iskanders.
              1. Akim
                Akim 13 January 2014 13: 10
                -1
                Quote: stayer
                We, too, seem to be unlikely to use our Iskanders.

                In a hypothetical situation it is possible. Norwegian KR can be deployed on ground targets from ships.
                1. stayer
                  stayer 13 January 2014 13: 19
                  +1
                  Akim, obviously, you still did not carefully read the article. It says that at the end of June 2012, the Polish Navy was adopted shore NSM missile division with a seat in Semirovice. Duck, why can't he strike at the Iskanders? Those. ground target.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 13 January 2014 13: 33
                    0
                    Quote: stayer
                    It says that at the end of June 2012, the NSM Coastal Missile Division was deployed to Poland as a part of the Polish Navy.

                    Now, if I were only guided by this article ... where Semirovice is called a city. Fortunately, I am fluent in Polish.
                    Poland covers the coast
                    http://topwar.ru/29099-polsha-prikryvaet-poberezhe.html
  10. jjj
    jjj 13 January 2014 07: 26
    0
    Until they discover, while they agree, it will be too late
  11. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 13 January 2014 07: 49
    +1
    each Pole bought a slingshot, there would be more effect.
  12. platitsyn70
    platitsyn70 13 January 2014 08: 00
    +2
    NASAMS II
    Range of defeat: 2,5-40 km
    Defeat height: 0,03-16 km
    Chance of hitting a target with one missile: 0,85
    Reaction time: 10 s
    Transfer time from combat to marching: 3 min.
    Transfer time from traveling to combat: 15 min.
    Maximum speed of the hit target: 1000 m / s
    just fits under the shell.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 January 2014 08: 37
      0
      Quote: platitsyn70
      just fits under the shell.

      And what does the shell have to do with it when it comes to Iskanders? Or are you about performance characteristics.
  13. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 13 January 2014 08: 04
    +3
    Not))) Well, are they really stupid? Well, it is said, after all - Iskanders are directed exclusively against the US missile defense in Poland, why do we have money to hell that would stupidly sow Poland with Iskanders? It’s easier to iron the tanks, paranoia is just simulated in order to inflate the budget of the Polish Armed Forces
    1. alone
      alone 13 January 2014 19: 32
      0
      Quote: Sergey Sitnikov
      It’s easier to iron the tanks, paranoia is just simulated in order to inflate the budget of the Polish Armed Forces


      Mr. Sitnikov, do not forget that even in 1980, when Solidarity was rampant in Poland, the Soviet leadership did not dare to bring the SA into Poland. Ironing Poland with tanks means ironing NATO, which means nuclear war. Do you want a nuclear war?
  14. da113
    da113 13 January 2014 08: 06
    +1
    These are missiles like air defense, it’s even funny to oppose ISANDER! The Poles are clearly overlooked)))
  15. family tree
    family tree 13 January 2014 08: 10
    +2
    The radius of destruction is 25 km, the speed of the anti-aircraft missile is 4M, against the 7M of the Iskander missile in conditions of radar interference and maneuvering flight.
    "God forbid, our calf, catch the wolf."
  16. Humpty
    Humpty 13 January 2014 08: 26
    0
    The Poles again behave like a cormorant, hold me, hold me, or right now ...
    When to take money from a Pole - You have to understand, Euro Fife! No, they don’t understand.
  17. propolsky
    propolsky 13 January 2014 08: 33
    +2
    Escander was aimed at the missile defense system, now they probably want a separate nuclear button for themselves. Where are the brains? Live quietly and smile at everyone, it’ll turn out to be smart.
  18. SibRUS
    SibRUS 13 January 2014 08: 40
    +2
    It looks like the first stage of cooperation between our MO and the Norwegian military-industrial complex. laughing
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  20. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 13 January 2014 09: 12
    0
    The main thing to believe is whether religion is a defense or not, it doesn’t matter, faith is new in the Polish Defense Ministry. However, Poland is clearly preparing for war with Russia, who is preparing for the role of Hitler?
    1. Sergey Sitnikov
      Sergey Sitnikov 13 January 2014 09: 18
      0
      Barbara Brylska!
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 13 January 2014 14: 10
      +1
      Poland is clearly preparing for war with Russia

      This is her usual state. (except 1945-89)
  21. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 13 January 2014 09: 29
    0
    Quote: full zero
    relations with the Poles, the whole history was "below the plinth" (then we are them, then they are us), therefore their actions are explainable and logical .... as well as ours.

    I wonder when it is "they us"? Do not make me laugh!
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 13 January 2014 10: 31
      +1
      And the day of national unity in honor of what?
  22. Akim
    Akim 13 January 2014 09: 33
    +2
    There are a lot of militant slogans. There is only a planned replacement of the C-125 with Norwegian air defense systems + French medium-range air defense systems will be added. Their "Vistula" and "Narew" remained in the projects. Batches of these air defense systems are not profitable.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 13 January 2014 10: 33
      0
      That's all, and everything was so beautiful
      1. Akim
        Akim 13 January 2014 10: 55
        0
        Quote: cth; fyn
        and it was so beautiful

        Well, excuse me. For me, such slogans are better in sports.
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn 13 January 2014 16: 37
          0
          well .. it's also a kind of sport.
  23. Suhov
    Suhov 13 January 2014 09: 33
    0
    It should also be noted that the military-political leadership of Poland, preoccupied the creation of "Polish intimidation forces", directed primarily against the Russian Federation ...

    Poles, set against the wall by the Russian Iskander,
    more likely "perplexed" than "concerned".
  24. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 13 January 2014 09: 52
    0
    Cut the money in Polish.
  25. velikoros-xnumx
    velikoros-xnumx 13 January 2014 10: 00
    +1
    It should also be noted that the military-political leadership of Poland, concerned about the creation of "Polish intimidation forces",
    laughing
    Have fun early in the morning
  26. ZU-23
    ZU-23 13 January 2014 10: 52
    0
    In general, the Poles were stupid, as always, there were fools there, and after the disaster near Smolensk their only American students remained.
  27. kelevra
    kelevra 13 January 2014 10: 57
    +1
    That made a pancake laugh laughing American patriots and Ijes will not be able to cope with our missiles, by the way, the Americans themselves concluded, and here are some Norwegians! The Poles would live a real life, they want to defend themselves against us, there’s nothing to let the Yankees into!
  28. samoletil18
    samoletil18 13 January 2014 14: 04
    0
    Having analyzed the issues of operation and use of coastal anti-ship systems, the Polish military leadership came to the conclusion that it would be expedient to acquire a second division. This is due to the fact that the combat potential, as it turned out, of the existing division does not fully ensure the fulfillment of tasks to cover the Polish coast on the one hand and the role of a “strategic deterrent” weapon on the other hand.

    Are these Poles boobies or Norwegian cool arms dealers?laughing
  29. Nayhas
    Nayhas 13 January 2014 14: 23
    0
    Gentlemen, you are again getting into politics. This same "Military Review" finally mentioned the achievement of the Norwegian military-industrial complex, the excellent anti-ship missile Naval Strike Missile. This is really the best anti-ship missile in the world in its dimensions! Only 400 kg. and a range of 100 nautical miles (ship version)! GPS / INS / IR seeker, no interference will help to hide from such a missile, all the way at an ultra low altitude! The Norwegians have created an excellent replacement for the AGM-119B anti-ship missile system, while practically maintaining the same mass-dimensional characteristics, with the same weight, the NSM is 80 cm longer than the Penguin.I would not be surprised if the Americans replace the AGM-119B Penguin with the Naval Strike Missile (or rather, its aviation version Joint Strike Missile) in the armament of their PLO helicopters.
    1. Akim
      Akim 13 January 2014 14: 31
      0
      The missile is aimed at the target with a multi-channel passive homing head (GPS), using GPS, infrared and thermal guidance at the final approach to the target. The missile is made using the stealth technology, which makes it difficult to find. Also, the entire flight mode runs almost over the surface of the sea. The GOS search system has an internal friend-or-foe query database and a ship classifier that allows you to identify targets and avoid mistakes. These missiles are mounted on Norwegian frigates and are included in the list of F-35 weapons in the air-to-surface class

      http://dziennikzbrojny.pl/artykuly/art,7,36,113,marynarka-wojenna,uzbrojenie,poc
      isk-nsm-i-polski-kontrakt-na-jego-zakup
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 13 January 2014 16: 47
        +2
        Well, the Poles generally modernized our C-125 themselves, calling it C-125 "Neva-SCЕ" ("Newa-SCЕ"). It involves improving the basic elements of the air defense system, in addition to the antenna system and SAM, using modern elemental base and digital technology, reducing the overall dimensions and increasing its mobility. The complex includes a modernized fire alarm system (hardware container and antenna post) on a car chassis, three 4 launchers on a chassis of a T-55 tank or a MAZ-543 car, 5В24 and 5В27 missiles, communications, control and support equipment. After preliminary deployment, the antenna post installed on the ground outside the car using special supports, and launchers require leveling and relative orientation.

        S-125 Neva-SCE launcher on the chassis of the T-55 tank

        modernized SNR SAM S-125 "Neva-SCE"
        And here is the Polish modernization of "Cuba": along with the standard rocket 3M9M3, the American Sea Sparrow took places on the "Cube" air defense missile launcher, missiles close in terms of the final performance characteristics to the 3M9M3, but belonging to the next generation of missiles, therefore three times lighter.

        Poles are trying to modernize and "Osu"
        The Polish company WZU (Wojskowe Zaklady Uzbrojenia Splka Akcyjna), specializing in missile weapons, has proposed at the MSPO-2013 exhibition a new version of the modernization of the Osa Russian anti-aircraft missile system (ADMS), which is based on the Blyskawica (Lightning) missile.
        Earlier, WZU already offered several options for upgrading the Osa: in particular, according to a previous project, it was planned to integrate the SL-AMRAAM missile into the complex, which is a ground-based version of the AIM-120 missile.

        http://rbase.new-factoria.ru/news/polsha-predlagaet-svoy-proekt-modernizacii-zrk

        -osa
        1. Akim
          Akim 13 January 2014 17: 54
          0
          Quote: Novel 1977
          proposed at MSPO 2013 a new upgrade option Russian anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) "Wasp", the basis of which is the Blyskawica ("Lightning") missile.

          Soviet
          Rocket itself


          On the right (from the photo) missiles 9M33, on the left "Molniya"
        2. Nayhas
          Nayhas 13 January 2014 21: 03
          0
          Quote: Novel 1977
          Well, the Poles actually upgraded our S-125 themselves, calling it S-125 "Neva-SCE"

          Quote: Novel 1977
          And here is the Polish modernization "Cuba"

          Absolutely waste of money with the plans of the Poles for the purchase of MEADS. On the other hand, of course, the KUB with Pechora will go against our Air Force. MEADS, however, will add anti-missile defense, for Poland MEADS is an ideal option, together with a few air forces, will increase the country's security by an order of magnitude.
          1. Akim
            Akim 13 January 2014 21: 41
            +1
            Quote: Nayhas
            Absolutely waste of money with the plans of the Poles for the purchase of MEADS.

            Do not confuse. MEADS is a combined-air defense, and the KUB is an army. MEADS, together with Aster 30 Block 1, will cover the zones, and Pilitsa, Thunder, etc. - brigades. Moreover, this is not a quick process. A full transition is planned for 2023.
  30. Akim
    Akim 13 January 2014 23: 41
    +1
    Someone apparently gets on my profile picture or flag. Cons deliberately blurs me. I’ll tell you for the future. I do not care. My comments collected them thirty by one. Now, if they argued their denial - then this is respect, but it’s like a spit from around the corner.
    1. stayer
      stayer 14 January 2014 08: 32
      0
      Quote: Akim
      Someone apparently gets on my profile picture or flag. Cons deliberately blurs me. I’ll tell you for the future. I do not care. My comments collected them thirty by one. Now, if they argued their denial - then this is respect, but it’s like a spit from around the corner.

      Yeah, no good, like that. Plusan is everywhere where you are cons. For knowledge of Polish and the surroundings ...
      1. Akim
        Akim 14 January 2014 08: 38
        0
        Quote: stayer
        For knowledge of Polish and the surroundings ...

        With regards to the western neighbors of Ukraine. then I’m constantly monitoring the situation there.