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Talking with the F-117 Nighthawk pilot at the Abbotsford-2007 airshow

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I talked for a long time with the peasant who had flown off almost all his flying life on them. Sobsno flew in the combat unit, was an instructor at the training center, practiced combat use and tactics, participated in writing instructions and manuals ... Iraq-91 missed, and Yugoslavia, too, worked on the methodology in 91, and instructor in 99.

For a start, I asked him about various aspects of stealth - within the limits allowed, of course. In particular, about the cases mentioned earlier, when, allegedly, long-wave air traffic control radars with ease, these planes were seen - at the Paris salon or somewhere else. To which he said that yes, of course, they saw, for this purpose they are installed on airplanes that are not performing a combat mission at the moment, these are the reflectors (as well as to prevent anyone from gaining experience and working out how to detect them in stealth configuration). As for the possibility for an ordinary airfield, a review of the air situation or any other radar to see such an aircraft from any significant distance in the tactical sense, this is, according to him, a complete nonsense - like ordinary aircraft, from ESR to meters or fractions meters, very often they lose, and this one either looks at point-blank, or from the field of fairy tales ...

In the picture - just such a reflector.



Starting this December, and ending with the next March, ALL F-117 will be removed from service, transferred to reserve, canned, leaving only a few as training ones. In this regard, many restrictions on secrecy, relative to their TTH and LTH are weakened this year. In particular, and restrictions on their flying ability. I asked a peasant about this question - how could it be without this - and his answer surprised me a lot. He said that, in general, its maneuverability and controllability can be roughly compared with the A-10 - it was produced on it and began to fly and therefore is well known. I was surprised - they say, how is it that Thunderbolt, according to those who flew it, can "turn around on the patch", almost around its own axis. He says that they say yes, and this one can. I ask why there was nothing like this on any past air show, but there were simple spans over a strip, sometimes with an unexpressed slide. He says that, they say, before - it was impossible, but this year, for the first and last time - it is possible. Seize the moment

Further conversation showed that everything is not so simple: the tactically important property is not just the ability of the device to spin in the air - these are modern computer EDSUs allow, within the limits of the inaccessible to the person, but also the ability to save energy with such maneuvers. And with this, he seems to be not bad, but very bad: (ATTENTION !!!) while performing COBRA, he loses speed so much that he can recover it only with loss of height. I also clarified whether I had not misheard, what I eloquently looked at the clock and said that the flight through 50 minutes, then later, if you wish, welcome back with questions.

Now, about the flight: first, above the strip at the height of some first hundred meters, it passes VERY quickly! Faster than everyone else who demonstrates there. And it is not very loud and without a jet of fire from a nozzle, like in the F-16 afterburner, say. Such a black arrow ... by the way, on earth its futuristic shape somehow conceals proportions, and it looks like an awkward box with a tail and stumps of wings. In flight, it is clear that it is long and narrow, and even visually some sort of impetuous.

Now about flying: after the first straight pass, he somehow turned around, went through half the lane, after which he did something like a very steep slide, lay at the top almost on his side, turned to 180 degrees and with the loss of height went the other way, where he came from, quickly falling and leaving almost close to the ground, as far as one could see.

On the third pass, he made, if I correctly applied the name, a dead loop at the beginning of the strip, then a completely normal cobra at the end: he lifted his nose vertically, almost without gaining height, and then lowered it and went down.

On the last pass, I first made a quick barrel with a climb, and then such a figure: I started as a dead loop, but at the top point - in the cab-down position - made a half-bar, i.e. turned the cab up, and went in the opposite direction, continuing to gain altitude.

This is the question about the "freak F-117".

In the course of the show, there was a comment, and then this pilot confirmed in his conversation that this was one of the few examples of successful "black" projects: they were already in service (since the end of the seventies) for a few years, they flew with might and mainstream they didn’t get wind of anything until the second half of the eighties - when they were first in stories flew in the afternoon.

So, by the way, it is not surprising that they are being written off - for airplanes of thirty years, consider, there have been several upgrades.

As examples of modernization: all those who were interested read that all hatches, bolts, and other inhomogeneities of the skin were sealed with a special anti-radar tape before the sorties. So, in fact, they are covered with antiradar mastic, and a tape is pasted on top, which keeps this mastic in place and protects it from external influences. Then this tape is torn off, it leaves pieces on the casing, which the lower ranks are scraped to their original purity with the help of soft plastic spatulas. In the sense, they used to scrub before: now there are mastics that keep themselves - they cover up the heads of bolts and other irregularities that do not need to be opened regularly; let's say those holes into which the reflectors shown above are bolted into. Hatches in some cases, too, cover with mastic, and in some - and the truth tape, but this new tape is well and without a trace comes off. Allegedly, those who rubbed with old mastic / ribbons, understand how great this improvement is. The delay associated with such processing of the aircraft, almost eliminated the possibility of its use twice a night, and with the transition to a new technology, it became possible.

Well, and many other changes and improvements associated with the increase in exploitation of stealth technology.

Now about the stealth characteristics, and in particular, about the plane shot down from Yugoslavia: remember, they wrote stories about the Yugoslav colonel who shot him down, and is still hiding. So, the man claims that he was part of an American group that met him; supposedly, they met officially, organized by the current Serbian authorities, did not feel any bad feelings towards each other - everyone did their job, the Serb did his best this time, a real pro, of a very high class.

Specifically, according to him, the reason that made this possible was political restrictions on the choice of the flight route; the Serbs knew when and where the Americans were flying, well, they organized an ambush. He once again pointed out that stealth is not a panacea, but simply another, albeit extremely essential, tactical advantage, which still needs to be skillfully used, but which can (as we see) also oppose other skills.

When I asked how problematic it was to get into the hands of Serbs (that is, all interested) of aircraft wreckage, he said that, in his opinion, not for how much: critical equipment is destroyed, and stealth technology is a matter of technology, not physics . Physics, according to him, is quite simple behind this matter, and everyone whom it concerns is well known for a long time: it seems like there are many layers of coating of different thickness and with different dielectric properties, where the boundaries work like mirrors that hold the reflected waves in the layer where gradually fade away. But technology and specific parameters are a matter of tremendous time and money - primarily regarding the strength and operational practicality of such coatings.

I asked a question about the EPR of the F-22 compared to the F-117: allegedly, as they say, its EPR is still noticeably smaller. The man chewed (apparently, figuring out what can be said and what is not supposed to), and said that it is mostly secret, but in principle the situation with the Raptor EPR is generally different: it is close to zero at some corners, and noticeably higher than the F-117 - on others. That is, F-117 was initially made with the understanding that he would act alone, in a hostile space, against planes with better speed and other TTX, in conditions of lack of information, and he was also intended to hit critical targets - that is, he will not have the freedom to choose a collision scenario. Therefore, he radar of that time - and most of the current, from real distances - not detected from any direction.

The raptor is made for a different role - it is faster than all modern and prospective opponents (meaning not the maximum, but “tactical” speed and maneuverability - the practical ability to quickly find itself in the right part of the space, approach and break the distance), it is assumed that his pilot, well, the nature of the main objectives is quite different - that is, it is assumed that his pilot will have the freedom to choose the script, enter the battle and exit from it. And this is exactly what makes it possible to realize the advantage of its extremely low ESR (according to him, it can rather be called "the practical absence of EPR" - it happens that the radar does not take it (or the rocket head? - I did not understand this moment) when the distance allows you to shoot from the cannon) at some corners, and reconcile with noticeably higher than that of the F-117 - at others.

I asked the man if he would retrain for F-22 / F-35. He pessimistically answered that most likely he didn’t - maybe he will instruct another year or two, but on the whole he has ahead - piloting the table at the Pentagon. Like, anyway, after five years at the most, seven will be deducted from flight work, and it is very expensive to prepare or retrain pilots, and Uncle Sam prefers to invest in lieutenants rather than colonels for new types. And in general - the number of aircraft in the US Air Force is reduced, and with them the number of flight positions. Therefore, they mainly retain those pilots who still have many years to come. And the number of tables is growing regardless of anything, they are enough for everyone. Yes, besides, according to him, he flew in his life, and would feel bad, taking away this chance from young guys, many of whom he taught himself.

But, in general, it is noticeable that from such conversations the peasant somehow felt sad.

Yes, I forgot to say: according to him, the cancellation of more than 50 F-117 allows the Air Force to purchase an additional six Raptors. When I asked whether one thing was worth the other, he spoke out - or rather, grunted - that it was not up to him to decide, but that six planes could not be in 54 places at the same time, and then, they say, understand it yourself ...
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  1. mirag2
    mirag2 13 January 2014 06: 36
    +1
    Well, what can I say?
    I don’t think that there’s any kind of rut, which means a technology war — which has already begun (at least we have entered it) — God grant!
    We don’t seem to have geniuses translated?
    1. Sakmagon
      Sakmagon 13 January 2014 07: 08
      +19
      "- And my neighbor tells everyone that he is still 70 ... maybe!
      - Well, you tell everyone that you can ... "


      So far, only words.
      I climbed into the Internet - even at a specific request F-117 aerobatics jump everywhere only our Su, a little less - MiG, absolutely less - foreign aerobatic teams.
      On the attached video "On the topic" - a standard flight of the "box", neat one how am I 1 January morning at 18.00 in the kitchen with a can of cucumbers ...
      ... trosh was surprised by the re-approach ... or was it a stealth landing gear ad? laughing
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 13 January 2014 08: 39
        +5
        Quote: Sacmagon
        "On the subject" - a standard fly-over of the "box", neat like me on January 1 in the morning at 18.00 in the kitchen with a jar of cucumbers ...

        I also did not understand where the barrels and cobra ???? Yes, it flies without smoke and that’s all. I would have thrown at least one photo with something to the author, but I have very big doubts about the conversation with the pilot.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 13 January 2014 09: 03
          0
          Quote: ed65b
          Yes, it flies without smoke and that’s all. I would have thrown at least one photo with something to the author, but I have very big doubts about the conversation with the pilot.


          I’m especially interested in the moment with corbra, barrel and loop. I alone doubt that this is possible? Well, in the sense, maybe it’s possible and possible, and Airbus will make a barrel under certain circumstances, but still. Like this?
          1. diver1977
            diver1977 13 January 2014 09: 49
            +4
            And I'm very interested in why this aircraft will suddenly need to do these aerobatics. As far as I understand, it is not intended for air combat. And it performs its immediate tasks and seems to be not bad.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 13 January 2014 10: 12
              +1
              And I'm very interested in why this aircraft will suddenly need to do these aerobatics.

              Well, they are praised! Previously, it was even supersonic in them. Well, they do not like us when frankly pi .. they lie.
        2. AVV
          AVV 13 January 2014 10: 23
          0
          The most important thing is that the grandmothers in them are unmeasured, and they burn like candles on a Christmas Tree !!! And the stealth technology does not help !!!
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 13 January 2014 11: 08
        +3
        Quote: Sacmagon
        So far, only words.

        ... IMHO others will not be!
        For - what kind of warrior will speak badly about his darling ...

        But the actions of the US government are eloquent - the removal of the entire complex of aircraft from service, ahead of schedule, before the development of resources ...
        This happens when, for example, the fatal mistakes of a project are revealed, or everyone suddenly realizes - and the king is naked!
  2. alexng
    alexng 13 January 2014 06: 37
    +3
    Are there any videos of such flights? Or is the article an ordinary fake?
    1. Timeout
      Timeout 13 January 2014 09: 47
      +2
      Full fake article, watch the video. Not a single steep turn and abrupt change of course. Flight speed in the region of 500-600 km / h. Moreover, the "lame goblin" is a bomber and what cobras can be executed with it? It's strange, if this airplane is such a wunderwuff, why was it just taken and removed from service. They have F-16s, hell knows what years of production are still in service. This phrase is proof to everything "I don't care what in hell it looks like, I'll get that ugly son of a bitch to fly!"
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 13 January 2014 21: 58
      0
      Quote: alexneg
      Or is the article an ordinary fake?

      The article is just a fake just because it was printed 26.08.2007 07:07 and how did she get here after all this time
  3. ytqnhfk
    ytqnhfk 13 January 2014 06: 39
    +7
    Yes, as it was a PR machine, it remains! Even from the "grave" they are trying to advertise it! As for the video for him, the pilot, this is probably a cobra and in general aerobatics on an airplane !!!
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 13 January 2014 07: 13
      +3
      "On the third pass, he did, if I use the name correctly, a dead loop at the beginning of the strip, then quite a normal cobra at the end," something in the video I didn’t see a loop, especially the cobra, the author breaches, probably well, or let it put it in the next topic is a video with aerobatics of this "miracle" machine, and so "-" ...
  4. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 13 January 2014 06: 42
    +7
    and then such a figure: he started like a dead loop, but at the top point - in the cab position down - made a half-barrel, i.e. turned the cab up


    The coup of Immelman, or simply immelman.
  5. Bradley
    Bradley 13 January 2014 06: 45
    +3
    Is there a video or recording of the conversation? I would like to hear everything myself. I do not like "amateur" translations.
    Let the translators not be offended.)
  6. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 13 January 2014 06: 50
    +5
    He talked for a long time with a man who flew off almost all his flying life. Sobsno flew in the combat unit
    The stylistics of the author's text - "beads, rosary, cap" wassat And I want to attach a brick on a bad head ...
  7. PLO
    PLO 13 January 2014 06: 54
    +3
    the funny thing is that in the end he did not say anything about the EPR and the long-wave radars.

    but how the anti-radar coating with a thickness of a few millimeters can prevent anything from being detected by decimeter waves ..)
    1. StolzSS
      StolzSS 13 January 2014 07: 19
      +1
      There are 2 works on this subject interesting ... here the question is the price of such coverage from long-wave radars. We conducted experiments that confirmed the possibility of panel mock-ups, but then it didn’t go too expensive ... As for maneuverability, he makes a couple of figures, and that’s why they simply screwed the newest engine onto the iron the last time it was modernized. Well, of course, the pilots who exploited his tactics worked in the flight center, well done, well, what can I say, and yes the propaganda))) hi
  8. major071
    major071 13 January 2014 06: 57
    +5
    For its time, the F-117 was a good plane, but expensive. If my memory serves me, then they were released by 60 with something at a price of about 112 ml. green for one. Release discontinued in 1990 year. hi
  9. makarov
    makarov 13 January 2014 07: 07
    +3
    Quote: olp
    the funny thing is that in the end he did not say anything about the EPR and the long-wave radars.

    but how the anti-radar coating with a thickness of a few millimeters can prevent anything from being detected by decimeter waves ..)



    And not only! In my subjective view, the Americans did not say anything worthwhile. Escaped with general phrases and all.
    1. alone
      alone 13 January 2014 19: 17
      0
      Actually, Makarov, you are right. There are a lot of general words and that's all. And to the most important question he answered: "It's not in my competence." You can't definitely believe him. He served long enough and knows what military secrets mean.
  10. General Frost
    General Frost 13 January 2014 07: 14
    +8
    Greetings to all members of the forum! Article minus, solid propaganda from the category "I talked to the man, the man knows everything, he was everywhere (flew)). The suspicion that the article is ordered sad somehow in time after the release of the material - Chronicle of the dive aircraft industry. How to stop the collapse of the domestic aircraft industry - the F-117 is an extremely emergency device (the laws of aerodynamics have not been canceled), and there are many questions about its "invisibility" (it was used mainly where an extremely weak or already heavily weakened air defense system). Yes, the members of the forum will forgive me, but this is some kind of propaganda from the American Air Force. Here is the real link check out http://lurkmore.to/F-117 hi
    1. nbw
      nbw 13 January 2014 07: 53
      +1
      > real link

      > lurkmore

      A "real link" to a school-clown resource? Are you serious or are you joking so subtly? wassat
      1. General Frost
        General Frost 13 January 2014 07: 54
        0
        But the essence does not change yes hi Sincerely.
  11. Vecheslav
    Vecheslav 13 January 2014 07: 20
    0
    An American is a good specialist! Everyone was distracted by the exotic: the "invisible" was shot down. And no one is interested in how much TOTAL the Serbs shot down ...
  12. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 13 January 2014 07: 29
    +3
    I have a suspicion that in the "most modern military developments" amers somewhere 70-80% show-off, show-off and reporting on the work performed and the justification of crazy cuts and kickbacks.
  13. Chertkov Oleg
    Chertkov Oleg 13 January 2014 07: 35
    +2
    Articles by type I heard, talked, said - about nothing, repeat advertising of mattress covers. Checking in the database like in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan - only there the performance characteristics are actually checked. And about the ambush of the Serbs, as the pilot says in a crumpled manner, there is nothing to brag about, a "saucepan" is noticeable.
  14. General Frost
    General Frost 13 January 2014 07: 36
    +6
    I want to add that a very old, but really good B-52 is not removed from service and is constantly being upgraded (inconsistency in the article then). Once again with respect to all forum users hi
  15. da113
    da113 13 January 2014 07: 57
    +2
    An expensive aircraft to service ... obviously not justified by the hopes of the tan.
  16. igorek45
    igorek45 13 January 2014 08: 40
    +3
    Article minus ..
    In particular, about the cases mentioned earlier, when, supposedly, long-wave air traffic control radars were easily seen by these aircraft - at a Paris salon or somewhere else. To which he said that, yes, of course they had, for this purpose they are installed on planes that are not currently performing a combat mission, these reflectors (and also so that no one needs to gain experience and work out a technique for detecting them in stealth configuration). As for the opportunity for a regular airfield, air traffic survey or any other radar to see such an aircraft from a tactically significant distance, then this, he said, is complete nonsense - like, and ordinary airplanes, with ESR in meters or fractions meters, they lose all the time, and this one - either look point blank, or from the field of fairy tales ...

    Pi ... t colonel, or the author of pi .... t ..! long-wave radars see stealths very well .. suffice it to say that for complete absorption of the primary X-ray radiation, the thickness of the radio-absorbing coating must be at least a quarter of the wavelength. at a wavelength of, say, 1,7 meters, it is easy to calculate how thick the RP coating should be for such an aircraft .. And this is extra weight. I think with such "armor" this stealth would generally take off ..
    As for the video, and the flight characteristics of this pepelatsa .. The video with piloting was honestly not impressed, I didn’t see any "cobras" and other things there .. I didn’t even see a dead loop .. So the colonel's words about some outstanding maneuverability of this pepelatsa are nothing more than American PR .. And PR for amateurs ..
    In general, I don’t even want to comment further ..
  17. ed65b
    ed65b 13 January 2014 08: 42
    +2
    B-52 in my opinion, the Raptors and Lightings are flying over.
    1. General Frost
      General Frost 13 January 2014 09: 56
      +2
      In-in (like the Tu-95 is a good car, it is always good) good
  18. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 13 January 2014 08: 42
    +2
    This is not even an article, this is the cry of Yaroslavna turned out.
  19. SibRUS
    SibRUS 13 January 2014 08: 44
    +4
    The driver of ZIL-131 will tell a lot more interesting laughing
  20. UVB
    UVB 13 January 2014 08: 51
    +4
    Bullshit. Wasn't there filming at this Abbotsford 2007? Anyone seen a Cobra and stuff in the F-117? And yet, the "special" claims that without specially installed reflectors 117 it is impossible to detect. Did they forget to remove them in Yugoslavia? Even if the Serbs knew where and when he would fly, but to defeat, as I understand it, you need to capture the target.
  21. vlad0
    vlad0 13 January 2014 09: 25
    +1
    Quote from the pilot:
    "... The Raptor is made for a different role - it is faster than all modern and promising opponents (meaning not the maximum, but the" tactical "speed and maneuverability - the practical ability to quickly find yourself in the right part of space, approach and break the distance), it is assumed that his pilot will have an informational advantage, and the nature of the main goals is completely different - that is, it is assumed that his pilot will just have the freedom to choose a scenario, to enter and exit a battle ... "

    Is this typical Americanism? "High-quality" translation? Or the professionalism of the author?
  22. Shatelxx
    Shatelxx 13 January 2014 09: 58
    +3
    Quote: nbw
    > real link

    > lurkmore

    A "real link" to a school-clown resource? Are you serious or are you joking so subtly? wassat

    No matter how school-clown this resource is, but paradoxically, the articles on it are more objective, at least in comparison with this campaign - definitely.
    1. General Frost
      General Frost 13 January 2014 09: 59
      0
      drinks About that and speech !!! I also wanted to ask, Why do the amerskiye pilots themselves call the very vaunted F-15 Eagle "Hangar Queen"?
  23. Shatelxx
    Shatelxx 13 January 2014 10: 01
    0
    A note of positive stolen from the school-clown resource :)
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 13 January 2014 10: 14
      0
      Yeah. And if you get into it with a crowbar, then in addition to direct damage, it will become visible on ALL radars.
      1. alone
        alone 13 January 2014 19: 19
        0
        laughing Can spit on him? I think it just falls apart wassat
  24. raf
    raf 13 January 2014 10: 07
    +4
    Who is interested in this topic, type in the search engine: "Russian stealth in pursuit of invisibility." An interesting film! This film describes the history of the creation of the F-117 aircraft. The shape of the aircraft was calculated using the theory of the Russian scientist Peter Ufimtsev, who later theoretically proved the possibility of detecting a stealth aircraft! To do this, you need to use the so-called "b-stationary" radar. located elsewhere receives the reflected signal! As a result, the Americans invested a lot of money in the plane, which, as they believed, would allow bombing everyone and everything without punishment, but the matter did not burn out and now the plane is removed from service!
  25. Wedmak
    Wedmak 13 January 2014 10: 10
    +3
    Some kind of provocation. Video barrels, loops and immelman in the studio. I even doubt whether he can even fly up his belly without losing height. Maybe he flew, but who will tell the truth about this iron.
    Atas video in general, any transport and civilian, including An-124 monsters, fly better. Remained in his opinion - a slow-moving, low-maneuverable, weakly armed stealth iron. Intended to act covertly, with poor air defense, for single targets.
  26. shinobi
    shinobi 13 January 2014 10: 26
    0
    This uberdevice flies at subsonic speeds, which is not even funny under modern realities. As soon as it opens bombs, it begins to sparkle like sparklers on all types of radars. For modern missile-cannon anti-aircraft systems at its speed it is fatal to him. expectations during operation.

    PS: The very idea of ​​angular blanking-dispersion of the echo was interesting, but the execution turned out to be surprisingly clumsy.
  27. Altona
    Altona 13 January 2014 11: 52
    0
    Quote: shinobi
    As soon as it opens the bombs, it begins to sparkle on all types of radars like a sparkler.

    --------------------------
    In general, the opening of bomb bays on "stealth" is a separate story ... They did not want to leave the missiles, they even had to trick a special ejector ... I do not like to throw links, experts will write in more detail ...
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 13 January 2014 18: 45
      0
      The armament is located in two cargo compartments on the beam holders, which are moved out of the compartments for suspension of ammunition or launching missiles using a parallelogram mechanism. Since the F-117 does not differ in directional stability, it is important that the open weapon compartment provides it with additional stability (the wings play the role of keels)
  28. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 17: 29
    +2
    This iron - and suddenly a "cobra"? Something fantastic. Article "-", for a frank lie.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 13 January 2014 17: 49
      0
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      This iron - and suddenly a "cobra"? Something fantastic. Article "-", for a frank lie.
      The firm’s senior test pilot even said: “This is the ugliest aircraft I have ever landed on.” Wits nicknamed the plane "limping goblin"
      1. dmitrij.blyuz
        dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 18: 35
        +1
        On 1.06, if it's "cobra", then I'm a random person in Aviation ... repeat
  29. Altona
    Altona 13 January 2014 17: 52
    0
    Quote: Wedmak
    Atas video in general, any transport and civilian, including An-124 monsters, fly better. Remained in his opinion - a slow-moving, low-maneuverable, weakly armed stealth iron. Intended to act covertly, with poor air defense, for single targets.

    --------------------------
    I agree, the whole day I was thinking how to comment on this "sensational" article ... The sweep of the wings just goes off scale, why is it with such a slow speed, it is not clear? Another question is how the night bomb suddenly became an aerobatics ace, does that happen? Let's remember the design of all the irons and what allows them to maneuver - the Shuttle or Buran have special shunting engines, the supersonic Tu-144 / Concorde type has developed front wing mechanization and slats, and fighters also have an OVT engine ... this ugly duckling? When entering the vertical plane, the projection of its wings will overshadow all its taxiing capabilities, the engines are weak ... In general, if there was a normal acceptance committee with a scientific, not financial point of view, it would have wrapped this iron still under consideration ... Maybe have the applicants been able to convince the commission that the absorbent materials and pyramidal stealth configuration actually reduce the visibility of this duck? I don’t know, for flying during the day it’s better not to let this miracle go ... As for the ERDS, no remote rudders will keep this wunderwaffle from spinning, if only because. that they have at least minimal, but the response time, for which this duck has time to fall ...
  30. Odysseus
    Odysseus 13 January 2014 19: 24
    0
    Objectively speaking, the F-117 is, of course, a staged aircraft. The world's first combat aircraft made using stealth technology. But like any innovative product, it turned out to have many weaknesses and problem areas.
    1) LTX is far from outstanding, the fighter didn’t work out at all. In essence, the aircraft became a highly specialized striker designed to covertly penetrate air defense and defeat only high-priority targets, whose survival on the battlefield depended entirely on its stealth. stealth, it was poorly integrated with other systems for conducting air-ground operations.
    2) The plane turned out to be expensive, and expensive in itself and in maintenance. Which ultimately predetermined his fate when the question arose of a lack of funds for the purchase of new stealth aircraft.
    3) The level of losses in military operations at F-117 was, of course, very low. Here it met expectations. But here it must be borne in mind that, thank God, it was never used for its intended purpose, to break through the air defense of the Warsaw Pact countries.
    PS Proceeding from the fact that the F-117 is periodically "spotted" in the air, we can conclude that the Americans mothballed it, taking into account the possibility of re-commissioning in a threatened period. However, here the question immediately arises with the pilots and maintenance.