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Witness of the era. Karen Shakhnazarov: "Someone wanted to save the country, and someone on the contrary, to destroy"

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Witness of the era. Karen Shakhnazarov: "Someone wanted to save the country, and someone on the contrary, to destroy"Why did the USSR collapse? What are the prospects and the role of the Eurasian Union in the general context of the development of thousands of years of Russia? Karen Shakhnazarov, film director, general director and chairman of the board of the Mosfilm cinema concern, correlates the current situation in politics, education and culture with answers to these questions.


- Karen Georgievich, you feel the collapse of the Soviet Union as a loss. Your nostalgia for the former country, as well as the point of view on the events of twenty years ago, is well known. How can art convey your gaze to new generations?

- Some things can not specifically explain. Over time, something remains clear to everyone, but something ceases to be so. Nothing can be done about it. However, when we talk about the collapse of the Union, we ourselves often do not know how to explain it. In my opinion, after all, very little time has passed in order to fully appreciate this, to understand the causes and meaning of these events. Today, I perceive it like this: the Soviet Union did not collapse, it just lost its outskirts, and we continue to live in the empire. True, full confidence that this is the case, I do not have ...

Again, we are not able to fully cover the scale of this process, to understand how inevitable it was, whether it has become a logical, objective given, or rather belongs to the category of randomly subjective. We have been arguing on this topic for 20 for years. And young people do not stand aside, it readily absorbs all these contradictions. I think 50 – 70 should pass in order for this process to become at least clear.

- There is one more thing: many young people today, as well as the heroine of your movie of the beginning of 90's “Dreams”, born in the 19th century, are almost unknown what such phrases as “sugar deficit”, “freely convertible currency” mean and that like ... You have no firm conviction that the total shortage of food products before the collapse of the USSR was inspired, created artificially, was the product of large-scale sabotage?

- Probably, something similar happened. Although, on the other hand, I do not think that everything can be reduced to sabotage. There were shortages and quite objective reasons. The Soviet Union, in essence, never hid, incessantly declared through the lips of its leaders that the development of the output of the group A, and not consumer goods, was the main thing for the state and society. It was the main political and economic concept. And I think that it was absolutely right for its time.

On this basis, all the industry, infrastructure and everything that we still live in was built. If the USSR had not built all this, we probably would have warmed ourselves by the fires. However, of course, this medal also had its downside - in the form of a shortage of many goods needed in modern life, and even some food shortages.

For all that, I have no doubt that this deficiency, especially at the end of 80, was created deliberately. Yes, today they don’t conceal the goals that various groups set for themselves. Someone wanted to save the country, and someone, on the contrary - to destroy it.

- If we are talking about objective laws, dialectics, - do you think this dialectic will return our country to the firm path of state development, typical of all the past centuries? For example, is it worth considering plans to create a Eurasian Union as an obvious confirmation of such a vector?

- As a person who grew up in the Soviet Union, I look at it with hope. Still feeling like a Soviet man, of course, I would like to see my country across the USSR. However, I do not undertake to predict anything about this.

How this will all happen is not clear to me. Our empire, generally speaking, falls apart from the 1917 year. If you somehow speculatively look at this past period through the ages — say, 500 years, what will we see? What really matters is: communism - or not communism, the Bolsheviks - not the Bolsheviks. It is the same as surveying now passing Roman. history, to attach great importance to how Rome was at some point in time — republican or imperial.

Ultimately, it was a question of the internal structure of Rome, which he chose in certain conditions. But the main idea was to develop and maintain its empire. About the same with us. The empire lost Poland and Finland in the seventeenth year, and the Bolsheviks reassembled it, returned it to almost the same condition, and even in a sense strengthened it qualitatively. Empire at the height of its power spread its influence from Berlin in the west to Beijing in the east.

And again the question arises: this disintegration, which happened more than twenty years ago, with the separation of suburbs - what is this process? Will it continue? It is not excluded, because it happens in history. But we, I suppose, cannot understand this. On the other hand, the logic that there is some kind of reunion in the Eurasian space is obvious to me. The motives are clear, maybe in some subconscious - for example, the fact that Kazakhstan is for this unity. After all, if he finds himself in the hands of China, the Kazakhs will have no chance of becoming Chinese. For the Chinese assimilate all who stand in their way. Therefore, it is not surprising that the Kazakh people would rather prefer a very close or even state union with Russia.

- Over twenty years, our society seems to have changed a lot, especially for new generations. What you mocked at the beginning of 1990's was in the form of the grotesque, nowadays in the youth it is often perceived as the norm of life - vulgarity and primitivism, the almost complete lack of ethical and aesthetic guidelines, bad moot and extremely poor vocabulary. Do you agree?

- Completely. Another generation has grown, this is true. It reads very little, is poorly educated, sometimes does not know the things that for us were, one might say, elementary. Often you catch yourself thinking that, talking to his representatives, you are forced to select words that would be correctly understood, interpreted. When you talk with the interlocutor on an equal footing, you do not need to specifically explain some things. You feel that he understands you by short phrases, almost interjections. You can refer to some literary heroes, being sure that he read about them and knows what it is about. Today, it is increasingly necessary to "explain easier."

And behind this there is not at all that ignorance, which belongs to some tricky specificity, it is the ignorance of basic things, called to unite people of cultured, educated. Or, at least, claiming to be considered such. When we were young, we did not have difficulty in dealing with people of age. Understandably, we did not know “life,” but we had a base. If only because they read the same books as they. Now is not the case. This, of course, is bad, but I don’t know how to deal with it.

- Meetings in Moscow in the winter of 2011-2012, in the eyes of those who saw the observers, vividly reminded the “meeting passions” of the last months of the USSR, which you used to go through with the means of cinema. The same idle public in the crowd, carrying frank nonsense, the same caricature "revolutionism" and even in many the same faces. As if straight from 1991. In the language of Hollywood, "sometimes they come back"? ..

- In principle, this process fits into the scheme, which for quite a long time exists after large-scale social upheavals. At the end of 80-x - the beginning of 90-x, we did not have a revolution in the usual sense of the word, but all this affected the course of further events quite significantly. Such cataclysms, as a rule, follow remakes, somewhat similar waves, but they also fade with time, although they sometimes bring political figures from the past to the surface. What is happening now in this regard, I think, will not change anything and will not stop anything.

Look who participated in those meetings. Basically, by their political convictions, those whom we call "the right". And they are against United Russia. But "United Russia" is also a right-wing party. That is, it is a conflict that occurred within the nascent Russian bourgeoisie. Or rather, in my opinion, between those who have particularly “succeeded” in 90 — for the export and privatization of everything, and those who today represent a qualitatively new bourgeoisie, which has already done something for Russia.

Being, I repeat, a Soviet man - moreover, sympathizing with all sorts of left-wing movements - I cannot deny that in recent years, for example, we have built and developed relatively well the sphere of consumption. Just what was not in the USSR. Suppose that with theft, with bribes, however, built. And by the way, this construction is unlikely to be very different for the worse from what happened at different times around the world - everywhere they once stole, took and gave bribes.

So, the observed conflict turned around the figure of Vladimir Putin - a person who, in my opinion, is just drifting towards the productive, nationally oriented bourgeoisie. On the whole, in Russia, the masses of the people are to some extent indifferent towards these meetings, as if they are waiting, wondering at their leisure: “Whose will they take?”

I think that shocks comparable with those that we experienced a decade or two a decade ago, we are not expected.

- Are qualitative changes foreseen in the development of culture and art, in particular, cinema?

- It is naive to assume that art exists by itself. It is a reflection of those ideas that dominate society, or underlines the absence of these ideas. In modern Russian society, ideas are still tight. Therefore, we really do not have a strong cinema and decent literature. What is the purpose of the country? What do we, by and large, want? Live well? And what does “live well” mean? Have a house, two cars? ..

After all, only a really big idea can ignite art. If it turns out that the historical resource of our empire is running out, we will not have any strong art. For historical experience shows that in the outgoing empires such art does not appear - it reappears only where the empire is either born or reaches its apogee. But if, nevertheless, our state acquires some qualitatively new form that corresponds to its size and long traditions, sets big goals for itself, then a new ideology and a new art will be required. All of a sudden they will understand where we should move, and this movement will inevitably involve our entire society.

- It is increasingly being said that in our literature, in domestic art there is a lack of “heroes of time” ...

- They are, although they look like some fragments of the past. Remember the wonderful story about how an airplane landed somewhere in the taiga, and its crew members found out quite unexpectedly that their landing took place at a long-abandoned airfield. For a long time, one of his elderly people cleaned at his own peril and risk for many years, maintaining him in more or less working condition. He came there every day and put the site in order in the hope that sooner or later the time would come when some one would need this airfield. And it turned out that it was this platform that saved the pilots and all the passengers aboard from crash landing. So, in my understanding this man is a real hero, and there is something epic in this story.

Itself suggests itself, maybe not without some sad comicity, but a very bright, strong image of the sort of last warrior of the empire who stood guard over its border with the barbarians. That's about such a person and you can make a good movie. Maybe I'll take it off someday ...

Such people who maintain their “airfield sites” with the belief that they will be in demand sometime are still in Russia. And in considerable quantity. Far from being in the foreground of our public life, they were somewhere in the shadow, hidden from numerous eyes and television cameras. But it is these people that allow us to maintain hope for a better future of our country. The main thing is not to lose them.
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  1. domokl
    domokl 11 January 2014 08: 51
    +33
    A very comprehensive interview ... In many ways, what we are thinking now is voiced ... Thanks to the author.
    1. A.YARY
      A.YARY 11 January 2014 09: 47
      0
      Alexander good day
      All interviews on the template familiar from the time of the USSR - "Who are you cultural workers with?"
      But the answer has long been known, with the one who will take them in ruku.I stronger than them. And I feel that these brethren have missed them, who always lived according to the principle "Whatever you like, master?", According to the OWNER.
      Well this is reasonablein front of an idiotic audience of "Aesop" you will not play
      1. domokl
        domokl 11 January 2014 10: 40
        +14
        I welcome Andrei ... It’s a true remark. Even indisputable. He just didn’t talk about figures of this very culture. We know that any figures (cultures, media, ideologists, two philosophers) essentially always serve the power of those who hold it. and dancing, as the inhabitants of the Caucasus mountains say. One of the types of prostitution.
        Karen talks about her attitude to what we have lost, about her understanding of the situation. And here, in this part, in many ways, I agree ...
        1. varov14
          varov14 11 January 2014 14: 09
          +2
          “We know that any figures (culture, media, ideologists, even philosophers), in fact, always serve those in power.” ---- No, but what you want, the rest is simply not possible. If the power of the ghouls, then the ghouls serve their ideas, if the power of PEOPLE, then the ideas are promoted by people. Everything is natural, the task is to be on someone's side, which in practice does not yet exist. For example, in 91 we adopted the idea of ​​a well-fed life and replaced it with the previously existing idea of ​​the common good, but which must be earned, and even with great work.
      2. Anper
        Anper 11 January 2014 13: 46
        +5
        Quote: A.YARY
        missed this brethren who always lived according to the principle "Whatever master?", according to the OWNER.

        This hardly applies to Shakhnazarov. His dad was Gorbachev's advisor, and at the same time his son shot "City of Zero", a film where the program of perestroika is succinctly and talentedly presented (sociological (!) And social science (!) Seminars are still held on this feature film.) for whom did he do it? Whom did you warn? After all, he could sit quietly and “live well” and calmly to this day, and even leave it to his grandchildren. Why was it in 1998, during a period of complete decline, to take on the Mosfilm film concern and fight so that all the Mikhalkovs would not stretch the production area and material base?
    2. AVV
      AVV 11 January 2014 13: 06
      +7
      For the collapse of the USSR, the traitor of the people and their country, the worst ruler of all time, was responsible first and foremost for GORBI, he handed over to Reagan, the jester and the actor everything that could be done !!! was to protect the interests of the people, the state ???
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      2. varov14
        varov14 11 January 2014 14: 26
        +13
        You know, but the traitor is not Gorbachev, but our educated intelligentsia (by intelligentsia, I mean ALL the most educated part of our people). She knew perfectly what she was doing and where it would lead. And or contributed to this, or bashfully silent. It is tragic that the most educated sons of the fatherland turned out to be the most-pick up epithets yourself.
        1. Anper
          Anper 11 January 2014 16: 44
          +2
          ++++++++++++++ !!!
          Only there is a persistent personal feeling of involvement in the collapse, if only because there was not enough intelligence to figure everything out in time. But Shakhnazarov figured it out and shot his "City of Zero" on time, only this film was shown very rarely then. And they served it up as a film of absurdity. However, as now.
    3. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 11 January 2014 19: 46
      +5
      Outraged by Shakhnazarov. It so happened that today I reviewed Prokhanov's films "The Last Soldier of the Empire". So he there directly calls Shakhnazarov one of the leaders of the liberal intelligentsia, gathering in the Writers' House, eager for the collapse of the country, throwing mud at Prokhanov for writing books about the army. In short, he hated the Soviet regime, and now he settled down under the new government and sang other songs. A fitter.
      1. Anper
        Anper 12 January 2014 01: 14
        0
        I endow the history of Russia with a transcendentally religious component. I say that the history of Russia is a series of ups and the most terrible black falls. Which of these black falls Russia each time, thanks to a miracle, it comes out, and Russian civilization is saved, saved. And here is this spirit that creates the state, the state creates this Easter spirit, coming out of a black hole, looking for strength, looking for people, a group or a leader, in which he instills and makes this spirit act, thanks to a miracle.
        These are the words of Prokhanov (from 18.01.14/XNUMX/XNUMX) As proof that his opinion is far from the ultimate truth. And even arouses suspicion of an adequate perception of reality.
  2. Valery Neonov
    11 January 2014 08: 53
    +14
    The right man, Shakhnazarov, correctly says.
    1. ele1285
      ele1285 11 January 2014 09: 12
      +11
      Quote: Valery Neon
      The right man, Shakhnazarov, correctly says.

      I just didn’t like one thing.

      I can’t deny that in recent years, for example, we have built and relatively well developed the sphere of consumption. Just what the USSR did not have. Let it be built with theft, with bribes, however.

      Why do we have such a psychology, let them steal, so long as they are not impudent. But this is fundamentally wrong. If we allow stealing "a little", and even with impunity, then it is clear that impunity breeds impudence. A vicious circle from which we will never get out ...
      1. Nick
        Nick 11 January 2014 11: 20
        +6
        Quote: ele1285
        Why do we have such a psychology, let them steal, if only they would not be impudent. But this is fundamentally not true

        They steal everywhere, not only in Russia, it is inevitable, the nature of man, so to speak, but to keep theft and bribery at the lowest possible level, with the help of a set of repressive and educational measures, is necessary ...
        1. ele1285
          ele1285 11 January 2014 16: 10
          +2
          Quote: Nick
          They steal everywhere, not only in Russia, it is inevitable, the nature of man, so to speak, but to keep theft and bribery at the lowest possible level, with the help of a set of repressive and educational measures, is necessary ...

          The fact that they steal everywhere, I do not argue with you, but about “explain to me what it means to“ steal in moderation. ”That is, the conventional official decides how much of the PEOPLE’s good he takes? And he’s not going to bite? OF THE LAW, but the authorities have no political will, while we have before the law some are more equal than others and no responsibility.
      2. BOB48
        BOB48 11 January 2014 20: 08
        0
        Yes, because they (directors) have the same arrangement - how many dir. lays money on the film? - how much conscience will tell!
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 11 January 2014 15: 43
      +6
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      The right man, Shakhnazarov, correctly says.


      Karen, of course, says that correctly, but ... he can't tell the descendant of the princes and the chick of the "golden Soviet youth". then his dad was one of the "foremen of perestroika", personal adviser to Gorbachev, after whose resignation he headed the Gorbachev Foundation, disposed of the Judaic silversmiths ..
      “Someone wanted to save the country, and someone on the contrary, destroy”

      It is correctly said, and the second half of the phrase fits perfectly with his own dad. Yes, and the ethnic conflict in Karabakh, Georgy Shakhnazarov was not the last figure, he even took the pseudonym George Shah. Shortly before his death he said
      although by the mid-80s Soviet society was pregnant with perestroika, "naive "would be to imagine, "as if radical changes are so ripe for us, what country as a woman at the end of the ninth month of pregnancy, should by all means be resolved by them"

      If we proceed from this metaphor, it turns out that "childbirth" was premature, and their stimulation was artificial character..
      1. kaktus
        kaktus 11 January 2014 15: 49
        +2
        If we proceed from this metaphor, it turns out that the "childbirth" was premature, and their stimulation was artificial.

        generally similar to cesarean section, if you continue the metaphor ....
      2. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 11 January 2014 22: 11
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        then his dad was one of the "foremen of perestroika", personal adviser to Gorbachev, after whose resignation he headed the Gorbachev Foundation, disposed of the Judaic silversmiths ..

        Absolutely right. And Karen is now playing some kind of restless dunno. Who - to whom?, But he knows for sure: - "Who wanted to destroy the USSR, and who to save." Personally, even then it was clear to me who and why was destroying the country, but he would only be able to understand in 50-60 years, disgusting to read the pearls of this verbiage.
  3. makarov
    makarov 11 January 2014 09: 02
    +7
    Respect Karen Shakhnazarov. As long as there are such creators, culture and patriotism are developing.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 09: 03
      +11
      Quote: makarov
      . As long as there are such creators, culture and patriotism are developing.

      Are you talking about the White Tiger movie now?
      1. Gato
        Gato 11 January 2014 11: 50
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        White Tiger movie

        A rare insanity. Like a book.
      2. huut
        huut 11 January 2014 15: 15
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Are you talking about the White Tiger movie now?

        Is that him? Hmm ... Well, at least there is no crap on their heads from airplanes, just the artistic value is low. Not harmful) This film can develop at least patriotism, albeit without culture.
      3. abdrah
        abdrah 12 January 2014 03: 43
        0
        I saw this movie. I want to tell Shakhnazarov give the bastard back an hour and a half of my life !! I suppose that the audience of this masterpiece is 6-12 years old, but they also don’t need to watch that guano.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 11 January 2014 23: 00
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      As long as there are such creators, culture and patriotism are developing.

      .the second time I disagree with you))) I enthusiastically began to watch this film .. I thought I would see a masterpiece, as in August 44 .. and here it’s completely crap ...... even the Tiger could not be destroyed. he dumped ..... here and the student will think that he was somehow unattainable ....
  4. bomg.77
    bomg.77 11 January 2014 09: 13
    +5
    Good interview.! A normal man, without pathos and anguish, voiced many.
    1. ZU-23
      ZU-23 11 January 2014 09: 26
      0
      Yes, a normal man, a positive patriot who knows about problems, including, but does not rock the boat.
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  5. ZU-23
    ZU-23 11 January 2014 09: 21
    +1
    Gorbachev, well, such a naive loon as the only communist party in a big country could put such a fool at the helm, so that the Communists and Democrats 1: 1, that is, Gorbachev-Yeltsin 1: 1 laughing
    1. askort154
      askort154 11 January 2014 14: 17
      +6
      ZU-23 .... so the Communists and Democrats 1: 1, that is, Gorbachev-Yeltsin 1: 1

      Neither one nor the other was a real communist or democrat. Both came to power without their own program, according to the principle - the main thing is to become a "king", and as a result, they became dull dolls in the hands of experienced puppeteers.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 11 January 2014 16: 21
        +1
        Yeah, well, of course they are not born as such, just these chess players did not know how to move the pieces, and therefore they themselves fell under the sponsor of the tournament, in your case the puppeteer)))
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      3. Current 72
        Current 72 11 January 2014 23: 55
        0
        I agree with you that the Humpbacked and Bespaly Drunkard became kings, but without a KING in your head, as you write with dolls in the hands of puppeteers.
  6. vjatsergey
    vjatsergey 11 January 2014 09: 22
    +2
    the thoughts are right, but something is not believed in sincerity, maybe I'm an old grumbler.
    1. varov14
      varov14 11 January 2014 14: 34
      +2
      It's always the way a person does something sincere, performs an act, we are looking for a dirty trick and self-interest. When Der @ mo rushes out of us - "he is like that", we accept it with ease.
  7. Boris63
    Boris63 11 January 2014 09: 24
    +1
    All empires are falling apart, we tried to unite: cf. Asia gravitating towards feudalism, the Baltic states (which always consider itself "offended"), Ukraine (mainly its western part, which wants "everything and more and preferably without bread") and self-sufficient Russia. Scarcity - remember the monologues of A.I. Raikin 60-70s, incl. Shakhnazarov is a little inaccurate - in the early 80s, these trends intensified. The CU can become a unification of countries, but it will be a completely different union.
    1. huut
      huut 11 January 2014 15: 45
      +1
      If it turns out that the historical resource of our empire is running out ... For historical experience shows that such art does not appear in the empires of the departing ... But if, nevertheless, our state gains some qualitatively new one, corresponding to its size and long traditions form ...


      I also thought about it - empires usually break up, but can they be reborn? Who knows world history well - were there any successful examples of the revival of empires? I don’t remember something ...

      Britain - no; France - no; Japan - no; Spain - no; Rome is not; all nomads are not; ancient empires - and so it is clear where they are now.
      Germany is embarrassed, between the first and second ... Was there a collapse of the empire and can we say that it was revived under Hitler? Probably not, rather it was just undeveloped.
      China - were an empire, I do not know just really or simply by name. In principle, there is real progress in becoming her again. Here is an example? I know little of their history, I can’t judge.

      But our own history - under tsarism collapsed, under socialism revived. Can this be taken as an example of collapse-rebirth? It is unlikely, rather a turning point. Although...

      It turns out that besides our (dubious) and Chinese (same), there are no other examples of the revival of empires?
      Empires not reborn? Or do they need several hundred years, like China?
      1. huut
        huut 11 January 2014 17: 06
        +1
        I also thought that the time of planetary empires was over, and the time of regional empires began. Now, after all, on everyone's lips there is a transition to many centers of power. And in this situation, each such center will have its own empire and not a single global one.
        It turns out that if "multicenter" really does occur, that there will be no revival, there will be a formation of a new, smaller scale. Therefore, it makes no sense to look for examples of the revival of empires in the past - there were no such examples - then there was a period of world hegemony, and there were one-time empires. Now there is a different period - of several centers - and the former empires will not revive, for they are a phenomenon of the previous period that has passed. This segment ends in the USA.
        From this it turns out that we can achieve maximum regional domination, there will be no more "peace for two". And it is probably not possible to reverse the trend on a planetary scale. Until the next "large-scale" period ...
        All this is theoretically)
  8. valokordin
    valokordin 11 January 2014 09: 25
    +10
    the correspondent is a little provocateur, Shakhnazarov is certainly not a Soviet person, but the remnants of his father’s upbringing have survived. I don’t go to the cinema, but Stalingrad Madarchuk looked, I didn’t see anything worthy, except for the 3D effect. In Soviet times, he visited the cinema often, even helped projectionists. Those paintings, which seemed to be lying on a shelf, demonstrated with the onset of crap, were weak and not skillful. Real Soviet films are masterpieces
  9. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 11 January 2014 09: 29
    +1
    Karen is the type, nothing concrete, and sends us 50 years in advance. It is clear that if he says that something is good for him at present, he will certainly run into criticism, and if he says that it is bad now, he will also get it, but on the other hand. He wants to sit on two chairs very much.
  10. Averias
    Averias 11 January 2014 09: 38
    +6
    After the "White Tiger" I have a double attitude towards Mr. Shakhnazarov. Since the film, I was "shocked" to the depths of the liver - by its absurdity. A film about the war, in the Art house style, forgive nonsense. The ending of the film "killed" on the spot.
    One gets the impression that the principle is that nowadays in a "trend" (ugh, I hate this word), that's what we are talking about.
    1. Nick
      Nick 11 January 2014 11: 26
      +3
      Quote: Averias
      Since the film, I was "shocked" to the depths of the liver - by its absurdity. A film about the war, in the Art house style, forgive nonsense. The ending of the film "killed" on the spot.

      Just a mystery film that uses war to entourage ...
    2. 222222
      222222 11 January 2014 11: 44
      +12
      Averias SU Today, 09:38 AM New
      "After the" White Tiger "I have a double attitude towards Mr. Shakhnazarov .."
      The film must try to understand .. understand its essence, idea ...
      The ratio of Man-iron and war .. Man rose from the dead, rose up as a new strong, endowed with the ability to win in any situation .. And He wins ... But .. Evil, the iron of war comes out again and again from the swamp fog .. and kills .. And again the victory of man .. Complete victory in the war ... But the "White Tiger" has not sunk into eternity .. He is there behind the swamp. in the fog .. He is ready .. He is waiting in the wings .. "People be vigilant .. "Evil is often dressed in White clothes ...
      1. Oboz
        Oboz 11 January 2014 12: 39
        +2
        Thank! I agree!
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      3. zart_arn
        zart_arn 11 January 2014 13: 26
        +4
        The film must try to understand .. understand its essence, idea ...

        The misunderstanding of this film comes from a reluctance to strain your brains. You very accurately and succinctly noticed the deep philosophical essence of this film. You are a big plus.
  11. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 11 January 2014 09: 39
    +12
    Everything flows and changes in a spiral. And I hope that in the next round of history, we will again become a great country, even if USSR-2. The first USSR was not a very bad country, no matter how liberals would have been haunting it. I lived in it and do not regret it, but I'm proud!
    1. varov14
      varov14 11 January 2014 14: 46
      +1
      In a spiral, especially upward, it’s good, it’s bad when some people offer in a circle, you can drive yourself. By some, I didn’t mean you, the interpretation is still not true.
  12. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 11 January 2014 09: 46
    +4
    “Someone wanted to save the country, and someone on the contrary, destroy”

    To the greatest regret, the destroyers prevailed. And this is the great fault of the whole people - many wanted chewing gum, "freedom", jeans (that is, shepherds' clothes), currency, Western "values", etc. And we got what we got. Directly according to Chernomyrdin "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always" - a catch phrase uttered by Viktor Chernomyrdin, Prime Minister of the Russian Federation on August 6, 1993 at a press conference ... another occasion, but the essence is the same.
  13. vlad.svargin
    vlad.svargin 11 January 2014 10: 09
    +8
    Such people who maintain their “airfield sites” with the belief that they will be in demand sometime are still in Russia. And in considerable quantity. Far from being in the foreground of our public life, they were somewhere in the shadow, hidden from numerous eyes and television cameras. But it is these people that allow us to maintain hope for a better future of our country. The main thing is not to lose them.

    That's right, there are such people, and not a few. They are not visible from the "dominance" of Western pop culture and vulgar "yellow" digging in someone else's underwear of old pop stars and the dominance of bandits on the screens, stealing "figures in uniform", "thieves in law", "sensational details" of disasters and Hollywood plagiarism ... Even the New Year's lights turned into pop music with half-naked girls and lack of voice. Nobody looks new, so they are playing something like "with light steam" - our "pop culture" cannot create anything. There is no emptiness in nature, it will surely be filled with something that may even be hostile, and in our ideology it began to be filled with a "rainbow ideology" alien to the spirit of the Russian people and other "Western tolerant dirt".
  14. Stinger
    Stinger 11 January 2014 10: 09
    +3
    Article +. He is always impressed by the sobriety of Shakhnazarov’s assessments and position.
  15. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 11 January 2014 10: 36
    +8
    Article plus ... But on the map (in front of the article) looked eh as much heart sank what power was .. And not only military .. science education art .. I don’t sigh .. (sometimes I argue with my father .. I’m in you forehead ... whether it’s just that the country of 2 million communists had the KGB information machine, etc.) the majority began to hand over membership cards .. or were silent I didn’t blame it and yet .. Dulles’s plan worked out clearly and is working now .. Russia is alive the main thing and we also have a plan .. it’s cooler .. So what else will we see who is who .. Or am I wrong guys!
    1. alone
      alone 11 January 2014 17: 19
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      (sometimes I argue with my father .. I’m asking him in the forehead ... is it just that the country of 2 million communists had the KGB information machine, etc.) most began to hand over membership cards .. or kept silent


      there were actually 20 million members of the Communist Party. but there were almost no communists.
      1. Current 72
        Current 72 12 January 2014 00: 10
        +2
        Alone! I do not agree with you. There were 20 million communists, but there were 2-5 hundred thousand changers in it. The rest are workers and peasants, simple teachers and engineers, as they were communists and have remained so. I have been a communist since 1966 So far, my party card is with me and I will die a communist.
        1. alone
          alone 12 January 2014 00: 15
          +2
          however, it turned out that 2-5 hundred thousand changeling turned out to be at Olympus, and the others hanging ears flapped them. Everyone is to blame for the fact that the country fell apart. Someone through their actions, and someone just assented to these shifters.
          But the fact that they do not agree with me, there is nothing tragic about this. Each
          I have the right to my opinion. I respect your opinion. hi
    2. konvalval
      konvalval 11 January 2014 20: 39
      +1
      Everything is correct. I once wrote about the Dulles plan.
  16. Frate
    Frate 11 January 2014 11: 05
    0
    All of Shakhnazarov’s early films, which I really like, are remarkable in that the director’s participation in them is negligible. And thank God! Because as a director Shakhnazarov no. The creative basis and power of those films that made him a name is in the powerful drama of talented scriptwriters and performed by talented actors. All that Shakhnazarov tried to sculpt on his own was complete nonsense, creative insolvency and cheap market conditions, and the complete absence of historical truth. In film circles, this director was known for being almost not present at the editing! Editing is the holy of holies, where the director creates the reality of his plans, this is the most delicious, for which he expends his energy during filming. Although, on the set, at times, he did not know what to do. However, the main thing is not about the movie. Interview with Shakhnazarov - pure profanity. Empty "thoughtfulness" about nothing. The author is the son of a well-known prominent figure in the state nomenclature, who successfully served in almost all regimes as an approximate nobleman of those who diligently ruined our country. The fact that, according to him, the empire has been falling apart since 1917, again a profane, cynical conclusion. They wanted to break up - yes, but it did not work out. I am not a fan of Stalin, but the historical truth is that it was he who restored all the borders of the Russian Empire, strengthened and created a powerful state, which was destroyed by the owners and employers of the aforementioned director. I have nothing personal to him. Let him do business in the cinema. And you can talk about politics on the sidelines of the Gorbachev Foundation - a grateful audience is provided to him. There are like-minded people.
  17. Egoza
    Egoza 11 January 2014 11: 14
    +4
    Dear! Sorry, that is off topic, but now I’ll have a planned power outage.
    A petition to the president demanding an end to the persecution of the Berkutovites who put things in order on the Maidan: http://urls.by/1f1p Who believes it is right - sign it. If you can distribute the link.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 11: 22
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      A petition to the president demanding an end to the persecution of the Berkutovites who brought order to the Maidan:

      Elena last time for a criminal case signed in three clowns maidanutymi so what? I will write of course, but I'm afraid your power, like a woman of easy accessibility requestThere is nothing there, is there another?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 11 January 2014 11: 44
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        There is nothing there, is there another?


        http://www.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Prezitent_Ukrainy_Yanukovich_Viktor_Fedorovich_
        Prekratit_presledovanie_pravoohraniteley_navodivshih_poryadok_na_maydane /? CaKSwg
        b

        You can still here! It is visible to block steel !!! People actively signed! Yes, still look at the last ...

        New provocation in Kiev on the eve of hearings in the US Senate. Lutsenko in intensive care with ZHMT
        http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/226262-novaya-provokaciya-v-kieve-v-predver
        ii-slushaniy-v-senate-ssha.html
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 January 2014 12: 00
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          http://www.avaaz.org/ru/petition/Prezitent_Ukrainy_Yanukovich_Viktor_Fedorovich_

          Prekratit_presledovanie_pravoohraniteley_navodivshih_poryadok_na_maydane /? CaKSwg

          b

          This passed signed, but there are so far less than 500 people.
        2. Gato
          Gato 11 January 2014 12: 01
          +5
          Quote: Egoza
          Lutsenko in intensive care with ZHMT

          good Well done, "golden eagles", finally knocked on the kumpol "the leader (with a capital P) of the 3rd Ukrainian republic." These are not liberal Bundespolitsa at the airport, it is a pity that they gave little.
          But about the concussion in Lutsik - a clear exaggeration. There is nothing to shake request

          By the way, this news caused a storm of enthusiasm on Ukrainian sites. The leitmotif - gave little.
        3. vasiliysxx
          vasiliysxx 11 January 2014 13: 34
          +3
          Signed. Still showing 450 signatures. request
        4. michajlo
          michajlo 11 January 2014 17: 21
          +1
          Hello, Elena!

          I signed a petition for your indicated link. It was 479th.

          Thank you for the link and info.

          I personally do not consider Yanukovych a patriot of Ukraine, because with his duplicity and flirting with both the EU and the Customs Union, he himself paved the way for EuroMaidan.
          In my opinion, Yanukovych himself is a member of EuroMaidan.
          On the other hand, I consider the change of Yanukovych to be harmful for my "nenko" now, especially on the wave of "artificial love for the EU"!

          Especially when you consider that the processes of EuroMaidan, Western and Soviet and post-Soviet special services were "tested" in the socialist countries in their "gentle revolutions of 1989", the collapse of the USSR in 1991, the "orange revolution of Kiev-2004".
          The truth about these events (1989) is not recommended to be said even today on the VO site !?

          In any case, the more signatures there will be on this CHALLENGE, we are Soviet people, BETTER!
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 12 January 2014 04: 59
            +2
            I'm already the 536th signer ... hi
    2. 222222
      222222 11 January 2014 11: 46
      +1
      Lviv ... Poll passers-by
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peS1mqhfgEQ&feature=share
    3. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 11 January 2014 12: 14
      +1
      All these petitions are like a "dead poultice" ... Excuse me about the electricity who turns off and what is done with the "Berkut" ..? Although everything is clear .. elek. (the red-haired one turns off) to feel how good it is with Russia .. "special forces" are again spreading rot with "chains" only already democratically .. (I think several tens of millions of euros will be awarded ..)
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    5. valokordin
      valokordin 11 January 2014 14: 53
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      Dear! Sorry, that is off topic, but now I’ll have a planned power outage.
      A petition to the president demanding an end to the persecution of the Berkutovites who put things in order on the Maidan: http://urls.by/1f1p Who believes it is right - sign it. If you can distribute the link.

      I support the "Berkuts" that they were beaten in the face by mandanuts and the authorities were again in the face.
  18. saag
    saag 11 January 2014 11: 31
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    the main thing and we also have a plan .. cooler

    And what kind of plan is this cool?
  19. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 11 January 2014 12: 02
    +1
    Quote: saag
    Quote: MIKHAN
    the main thing and we also have a plan .. cooler

    And what kind of plan is this cool?

    Curious, however, you .. (want a plan ..?)))) bully
  20. ochakow703
    ochakow703 11 January 2014 12: 41
    +4
    Quote: 222222
    The film must try to understand .. understand its essence, idea ...
    The ratio of Man-iron and war .. Man rose from the dead, rose up as a new strong, endowed with the ability to win in any situation .. And He wins ... But .. Evil, the iron of war comes out again and again from the swamp fog .. and kills .. And again the victory of man .. Complete victory in the war ... But the "White Tiger" has not sunk into eternity .. He is there behind the swamp. in the fog .. He is ready .. He is waiting in the wings .. "People be vigilant .. "Evil is often dressed in White clothes ...

    Wonderful words and a wonderful characteristic of artistic design. 5 points! Everything is really so. And this film, not a light fantasy, but a deeply psychological drama of Man and War.
    1. Anper
      Anper 11 January 2014 14: 00
      +5
      Quote: ochakow703
      not a lightweight fantasy, but a deeply psychological drama of Man and War.

      You can't say more precisely! But Shakhnazarov does not have a single empty film, and the majority of evaluations on them are always in the spirit of "complete nonsense", "absurdity", "shiz", etc. But Bondarchuk's "Stalingrad" is almost the highest-grossing in the history of Russian cinematography. There is no need to look for content behind the form, which Shakhnazar's films constantly insist on.
  21. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 11 January 2014 12: 52
    +4
    Quote: On the whole, in Russia, the masses of the people to a certain extent are indifferent to these rallies, as if waiting, wondering at their leisure: "Whose will they take?"

    The people of Russia are fed up with rallies. See who is participating in the rallies: Novodvorskie и nemtsov, former nomenclature functionaries excommunicated from the state feeder. So they shout that they would be allowed to the money trough. And the common people do not care deeply about this fuss of "oppositionists". The people need work and a normal pension for the elderly. And then such "protests" will die out by themselves.
  22. captain
    captain 11 January 2014 13: 01
    +7
    An intelligent man with his principles, such people must be respected. It’s good that in my country there are people like him and people like that azrodrom technician.
  23. homosum20
    homosum20 11 January 2014 13: 54
    +1
    As a man of art, Shakhnazarov completely excludes the geopolitical component from the picture of the world. But lowering oil to $ 9 a barrel is the result of a conspiracy between the United States and the Saudis. And it was he who created the economic situation that Gorbachev used to completely destabilize the economy. And about the sabotage nature of actions within the economy she spoke about 5 years ago in an interview with Sazhi Umalatov, who was then a deputy of the Supreme Council. Those. about the shortage of crowded warehouses.
    I do not agree about 50-70 years. During this time, more will be forgotten. 2 generations of witnesses will die. There will be a retelling of the rewritten.
  24. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 11 January 2014 14: 16
    +3
    Another "art worker" talks about "the fate of the fatherland." Enough, have heard enough. Better to start with himself, as with the general director of the Mosfilm film concern, which under his leadership stupidly profits from the Soviet legacy. This "comrade", in order to remove the foam from advertising before viewing, is trying to prohibit the distribution of old Mosfilm films through the Internet, for example, Gaidai's comedy. That is, in the days of the USSR, these films were shot with public, state money, the creators received a fee and, in theory, the films should be distributed freely. However, a certain Shakhnazarov, with a certain organization consonant with the name of the famous film studio "Mosfilm", decided to cut money into his own pocket and absolutely illegally appropriated the rights to Soviet films.
    Sick of such truth-tellers.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 11 January 2014 15: 33
      +2
      Quote: Drosselmeyer
      in theory, films should be distributed freely.

      Those. Films shot at the studio. Dovzhenko, and other Ukrainian film studios, like Odessa, are distributed freely ??? And they do not require a fee? Isn’t it easier to say that you want an endless freebie?
      1. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer 11 January 2014 16: 00
        +1
        In any case, there are no demands for a ban from these film studios (I suspect that, according to Mosfilm's experience, they will appear).
        And for those who are in the tank, I explain that for these films the state has already paid their creators taxes that were collected from people, so there are no copyrights and there should not be any prohibitions. An unlimited freebie here just at Shakhnazarov and Co.: they didn’t invest a penny, they are not authors, actors of films, but they cut money from an advertisement.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 11 January 2014 19: 14
          +2
          Quote: Drosselmeyer
          And for those who are in the tank

          For those who are under the caterpillar of the tank, I explain, you always need to pay for viewing everywhere, but taxes will be deducted to the state from this fee. I tell you, freeloaders got divorced here, even though a dime a dozen. You did not build communism, To use a freebie.
  25. 222222
    222222 11 January 2014 14: 26
    +1
    Drosselmeyer UA Today, I'm sick of such truth-tellers. "...
    ... ate something .. try two fingers in your mouth ...

    http://cinema.mosfilm.ru/ Мосфильм : "Более 600 кинокартин доступны для свободного он-лайн просмотра в нашем Кинотеатре.."
    1. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 11 January 2014 15: 13
      +1
      Dear, just not be rude. Let them keep their online cinema as a keepsake. They seek to earn monopoly on advertising before watching a movie online. And why does a certain organization indicate to someone what and where to look without having the right to do so? Their rights are sucked from the finger. It is as if you bought a car, but the manufacturer did not provide it at your complete disposal, but sometimes gave it, at its discretion, a ride. Films were shot for state money on state. Studios in Soviet times, therefore, should be distributed freely. Let Shakhnazarov make a new movie and then with full right forbids him to watch.
      By the way, in the decaying West, the Air Force company distributes all its content for free and without restrictions because it has already been paid by the people.
      And you defend further these small swindlers who dig a trifle in your pockets, hiding behind the next high-sounding verbiage.
      1. 222222
        222222 11 January 2014 15: 23
        0
        Drosselmeyer UA Today, 15:13 PM ↑ New
        Dear, just don't be rude ... "Where did you see rudeness? It's folk ..
        Norilsk Nickel was also built by the whole country .... and many, many other things ...
  26. Eugene
    Eugene 11 January 2014 15: 19
    0
    I haven’t read it to the end. Everything is as always. It seems ... Probably ... If ...
  27. Starfish
    Starfish 11 January 2014 17: 04
    +3
    "somewhere in the taiga, an airplane landed, and its crew members unexpectedly found out that their landing took place at a long-abandoned airfield. One long-time middle-aged man, at his own peril and risk, cleaned it for many years, supporting more or less He came there every day and put the site in order in the hope that sooner or later the time will return when someone will need this airfield. And it turned out that it was this site that saved the emergency landing pilots from disaster and of all passengers on board. So, in my understanding, this person is a real hero, and there is something epic in this story. "

    this is a real man.
    and I do not respect our "creative" intelligentsia, I despise some frankly. and the word "intellectual" - because of them sounds like something disgusting and offensive
  28. alone
    alone 11 January 2014 17: 25
    +1
    Blaming Gorbachev, of course, is not heroism. Today, no one is only lazy and scolding him. Shakhnazarov Jr. is no exception.

    Of course, I would believe his words, but I can’t. And I will say why. He painfully talks about the collapse of the country.
    But he doesn’t say anything about his dad. And dad Gorbachev’s adviser was. Honest would openly say about his father’s responsibility in such an important post, but he said nothing.
  29. Alexandr0id
    Alexandr0id 11 January 2014 18: 01
    +2
    there is no continuity between the Russian empire and the USSR. the first is a Russian state with a semi-German dynasty, the second is a state created by nationalities (Jews, Caucasians, Poles, Baltic states) and only after the death of Stalin evolved into a more or less Russian state.
  30. dmb
    dmb 11 January 2014 18: 02
    0
    Shakhnazarov’s position is understandable. On the one hand, he understands that the collapse of the country and the liquidation of a society where caring for a person was the duty of the state (and this duty was fulfilled at the very least) is bad. But when the question arises of returning this society, he recalls his earnings the head of the concern and is trying to build some kind of ugly and clearly unviable construction that would provide the bulk of fellow citizens with free housing and low communal prices, and he and Deripaska also have a villa in Nice. This does not happen. It is worth recalling that in the USSR, even at the top of the cottages were state-owned, for which the mass of commentators praise Stalin very much.
  31. Altona
    Altona 11 January 2014 18: 04
    +1
    Quote: varov14
    You know, but the traitor is not Gorbachev, but our educated intelligentsia (by intelligentsia, I mean ALL the most educated part of our people). She knew perfectly what she was doing and where it would lead.

    -------------------------
    Well, you, my friend, say ... Let's put everything on the Solzhenitsyn-Novodvorskys, all sorts of hiccups and scribblers, and we will sweep aside the traitorous thieves ... Great! Everything fits into the scheme "a poet in Russia is more than a poet", and the rest of the heifers are mute ... The interview is good, but the films are so-so ... "White Tiger" disappointed ... A really good film "Courier", philosophical, with a little banter, showing the two societies that existed in the late USSR - "soviet" and "majors", which should not intersect ... "Majors" had to consume and enjoy, "scoops" plow for the idea ... Well, there are many other subtexts, and an Afghan conscript with sad eyes, as if warning something ... Now we know what ... And a beautiful girl performed by Nastya Nemolyaeva, who is bored just to consume, but wants something really real, although at that moment it seems to her convertible and the sea coast, fabulously inaccessible at that time for the "majors" due to ideological prohibitions ... And now Karen is more an administrator than an artist ...
  32. santush
    santush 11 January 2014 18: 41
    +2
    Tagged-in court !!!
    1. alone
      alone 11 January 2014 18: 43
      +2
      Quote: santush
      Tagged-in court !!!

      Yeah, now !! So far, he has been awarded the order, not a subpoena))) dreaming is certainly not harmful
      1. 222222
        222222 11 January 2014 21: 09
        +1
        10.01/2014/80 In honor of the XNUMXth anniversary of the first president of Ukraine, a photo exhibition will open today in the "Mystetsky Arsenal", many TV channels will show a documentary about the hero of the day, in the library. Vernadsky will display documents on the first steps of the independent country. President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych has awarded today's birthday boy, the first president of Ukraine, Leonid Kravchuk, the Order of Freedom. A commemorative coin and postage stamp will be issued ....
  33. konvalval
    konvalval 11 January 2014 20: 47
    +1
    Article plus. And yet, Shakhnazarov well done.
  34. fomich1977
    fomich1977 11 January 2014 21: 14
    +3
    All are strong "hindsight" ... but in general - we all destroyed our country. And we did it somehow cheerfully and fervently. Well, now we smoke bamboo.
  35. Magadan
    Magadan 12 January 2014 03: 00
    +1
    As for the deficit:
    The deficit was created artificially. My good friend worked as a loader at the grocery base. So at that base there were constantly grapes and pears even in winter.
    None of this was delivered to stores. Even from under the floor, according to friends, it was not for sale. And even they didn’t transport them to different bases, so that they would not
    cover their colleagues at other bases. All this stupidly rotted and discarded. They were not allowed to plunder, because Soviet counters were able to calculate the initial quantity
    normal foods based on the resulting rot.
    By the way, you often hear such strange stories from all sorts of people. And especially the topic with a deficit was rocked just for perestroika. So sabotage is everything, not "scarcity". Another question is that the state really has nothing to do in terms of trading and services, this is a specific area,
    where the private trader is more effective.