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With a nasty "revolution" even a shred of wool

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With a nasty "revolution" even a shred of woolI had the opportunity to spend New Year and Christmas holidays in Egypt, in the resort mecca of the Sinai Peninsula - Sharm el-Sheikh. There was such an opportunity - why refuse? Although many discouraged. Like, where are you going? Look how uneasy it is. Every day something happens.


Egypt, having survived two consecutive "revolutions", which took place according to the general scenario of the "Arab Spring", written far beyond the borders of the state, today is literally in a fever. Thousands of aggressive demonstrations, terrorist attacks, explosions, dozens of dead and wounded.

Already in the new year, January 4, supporters of former President Mursi, who headed the state after the "first" revolution, but was overthrown by the second anti-government coup, took to the streets of Cairo and many large cities of Egypt. There were massive clashes with the police. As a result, 2014 people died in Cairo on the first Friday of 4, only.

However, for the citizens of Ukraine, whose capital is still paralyzed by the so-called Euromaidan, the events in Egypt do not seem to be mysterious. On the contrary, everything is very clear. In Egypt, as in Ukraine, powerful oligarchic clans are fighting for power. It is clear that the authors of “revolutionary” scenarios never speak about their true intentions. But they skillfully use the personal mood of ordinary people, driven to despair by poverty, hopeless everyday life, corruption, judicial arbitrariness, meager wages.

None of the Egyptians, who had a chance to talk with during the trip, said that life after revolutions had become better. For the common man, nothing has changed. Some capitalists were castled on others. Those leaders who are not satisfied with the West, the methods of the "Arab spring" change to a more loyal. And as a man of labor was powerless, so he stayed.

So Egypt has not changed at all over the past few years. I speak of this with skill, since I first visited this country in the already distant 2007 year. No change for the common people - such is the ending of any oligarchic "revolution". In whatever country it takes place.

However, from the "revolutionary" situation in Ukraine was able to extract material benefits. It turned out that the Egyptians are very closely interested in the latest events in our country. Ukraine for them is not only a football player Shevchenko, but also Euromaidan. And we, the Ukrainians, the Egyptians consider their comrades - comrades in the "revolutionary" misfortune.

It turned out in the course of trading with the owner of one of the stores on the “Old Market”, which is the heart of trading in Sharm el-Sheikh. Initially, for the thing chosen by my wife, the Egyptian wanted 10 dollars. Then, having heard that we speak Russian, suggested 7. But not a dollar less. Like, you are from rich Russia, you can pay without bargaining further.

It was then that we said that although we speak Russian, we came from Ukraine. The seller immediately changed the tone. Became sympathetic and helpful. So they usually speak with seriously ill people, fearing words to inflict additional pain on them. The seller sighed and sighed about the Ukrainian Euromaidan, they say, it will not lead to anything good. Here in Egypt there were two "revolutions" - so what?

And as a sign that the Ukrainians and Egyptians are comrades in misfortune, he offered to lower the price for the thing we chose to 4 dollars. Say, to representatives of any other country, he would not make such a discount. And Ukraine is an exception.

Of course, to bargain like that - knocking down the original price by more than 2 times - can be considered lucky. But it was a shame. And it is disgusting for the new international image of our state.
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  1. delfinN
    delfinN 11 January 2014 09: 18
    +5
    Well, get used to it. There are no victories without defeats.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 11 January 2014 15: 58
      +14
      It's like a movie 90-x was .... The Negro in the US robs the Russian, when he learns that he is a Russian, on the contrary, let go and give him a dollar ... a kind of sorry for Russian ..
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 11 January 2014 16: 36
        +25
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        A black man in the USA robs a Russian when he finds out that he is Russian, on the contrary, he lets go and gives him a dollar ... Like, I'm sorry for the Russian ..


        And the author echoes you:

        As usual they speak with seriously ill people, afraid of words to inflict additional pain on them. The seller gasped and sighed about the Ukrainian Euromaidan, saying that this would not lead to anything good. There were two “revolutions” in Egypt - and so what?


        But we are still on the forums, on the streets on TV, incited to the same thing that has already happened around us, and it would be okay if there was at least one successful example, a victory over the same corruption, for example, because it seems like the people were for "JUSTICE "and from the tribunes they spoke about painful issues and spoke for" DEMOCRACY AND JUSTICE ", but there is no such example.

        They said the destruction of corruption - as a result, it only grew (Georgia)
        We talked about raising the standard of living - so he only does what falls (All "colored" countries)
        We talked about freedom of speech - as a result, freedom appeared to express only one point of view (all colored countries)
        They talked about order - it turned out a mess (Libya and Egypt)
        They talked about the fact that there will be no oligarchy - that’s how it stayed and even earned good money on it (Ukraine)


        In short, I’m sometimes just shocked at how easy it is to breed people on the slogan about "JUSTICE" through the revolution, although under it lies a simple thesis close to everyone "Select and Share", and as a result, the people can select (which is far from always), and people from the stands and their sponsors are already sharing. And it is clear that there is no question of any kind of justice, the circle has closed, people may diverge - the show has ended, it will soon be new, now by overthrowing those whom he (the people) have elevated to this height.
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 11 January 2014 16: 57
          +11
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          They talked about the elimination of corruption - in the end it only grew (Georgia) They talked about raising the standard of living - so he only does what falls (All "colored" countries) Talked about freedom of speech - as a result, there was freedom to express only one point of view (all colored countries) We talked about order - it turned out to be a mess (Libya and Egypt) We talked about the fact that there will be no oligarchy - so it stayed and even made good money on it (Ukraine) In short, I am sometimes just shocked at how easy it is to dissolve people on the slogan of "JUSTICE" through the revolution, although under it there is a simple thesis close to everyone "Select and divide", but in the end the people can also take away (which is not always the case), and people from the stands and their sponsors are already sharing. And it is clear that there is no question of any kind of justice, the circle is closed, the people can disperse - the show is over, there will soon be a new one, now to overthrow those whom he (the people) raised to this height.

          ...Holy truth!
          Even before and during the first "orange-orange" season I spoke about this to my close young Russians, having sipped my 91-93 years ...
          They did not believe both before Yushchenko, and before the current one ... They said, like, we will disperse our "bloodsuckers" ...
          Even exhortations like - if gay European officials come, they will be even more spoiled than your nonexistent ones - did not help ...

          It seems like a moment, sobering sets in, as after a terrible drinking party ...
        2. Grbear
          Grbear 11 January 2014 18: 09
          0
          Monsieur, sledgehammer102
          I liked your work of a part of articles about our life in comparisons (worthy argumentation - "checked - no mines).
          But now you are engaged in populism (as my Dad said - assleasing).

          No way! hi
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 12 January 2014 08: 08
            -1
            Quote: GrBear
            But now you are engaged in populism (as my Dad said - populists).


            What does he / it manifest in?
        3. ty60
          ty60 11 January 2014 18: 14
          +2
          and whoever saw otherwise? Who benefits, all the rest is technology
        4. dark_65
          dark_65 11 January 2014 18: 14
          +3
          normal classroom activities for idiots. there is an experienced teacher (usa) .and there are two students ... the rest of the country. let them study. Russia is an exception so far, we are excellent students in revolutions laughing
        5. knn54
          knn54 11 January 2014 19: 23
          +13
          Mongolia is in the top ten of the world in terms of the number of minerals - a quarter of all world reserves of uranium, gold, copper ... The budget of joint ventures with Russia - 40% of the entire Mongolian economy. For Western economies competing with Russia and China, it is still important to gain a foothold in this place of the planet from the point of view of Geopolitics.
          When the opposition gives the command to collect the population of distant aimags by buses, in Ulan Bator (and not only), ALL gasoline suddenly disappears at gas stations. This is how the attempt to organize an indefinite Maidan according to the Kiev model failed - the inhabitants of the rural outskirts did not go to the revolution in their Zhiguli. Mongolia, in fact, became the first country where the Orange ("Cashmere") revolution failed.
          1. DMB-78
            DMB-78 11 January 2014 21: 21
            +3
            Yes, well done !!!! they spit on all the European Parliament and the State Department
          2. kavkaz8888
            kavkaz8888 11 January 2014 22: 25
            +1
            It is useful to read about Mongolia. I did not know for this funny situation.
          3. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 12 January 2014 01: 28
            +1
            Quote: knn54
            at gas stations ALL gasoline suddenly disappears.

            what rolled in Mongolia, unfortunately, will not work in most countries, here other measures are needed ...
        6. nnz226
          nnz226 12 January 2014 13: 45
          +1
          Well, the results of the "orange" revolution, when a herd of MayDowns were writhing in cramps in pushing a poor Yushchenko onto the presidential toilet seat, are evident - more precisely, all over the face, it is written! Yes, and remember the first prizIdenta Square, who blathering about the fact that Nenka will become like Khvrantia in ten years. This phrase was trumpeted by the Wuxi Svidomye media, although few people paid attention to the response of the French ambassador in Kiev that it was not up to the level of France "as far as Kiev is rak.m (in bellies)." That again, all over the face. And the level of survival in the square is several times less than that of the northeastern neighbors hated by Svidomo, although hohloarbeiters are working there in droves. But all this experience does not reach the stubborn ones. Here and again mayDowns are marking time on the Maidan.
        7. varov14
          varov14 12 January 2014 13: 50
          +1
          sledgehammer102su-- Exit, look for an exit. I think true self-government is from below. You can fight for him, without breaking the law. Theoretically, I imagine what it is and what can come of it.
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 11 January 2014 16: 39
        +15
        Quote: ....
        Ukrainians and Egyptians are mates in misfortune,


        Only unite left. And be called UE. (Ukrainian Egypt)






        1. 31231
          31231 11 January 2014 21: 26
          +2
          For some reason, this comparison of the author also smiled.
          In Egypt, as a result of revolutions, many Arabs were killed, and in Ukraine, only the occupied Maidan.
          What can I say, about Syria and Libya, where as a result of revolutions civil wars turned out.
          1. Tetros
            Tetros 12 January 2014 04: 49
            +1
            It’s just that Russia already ate bloody revolutions by no means indulge. And these are just beginning. Arabs generally go 100-200 years behind. The same rake, the same year.
        2. SlavaP
          SlavaP 11 January 2014 21: 55
          +1
          Haha It happened before! The so-called United Arab Republic (Egypt + Syria) - it’s worth it!
        3. Tetros
          Tetros 12 January 2014 04: 46
          +1
          Yeah, and immediately there will be a fight over what to call it - "Ukrainian Egypt" or "Egyptian Ukraine" lol
    2. Civil
      Civil 11 January 2014 17: 08
      +2
      The change of elites by force, that’s what revolution is ...
      1. Egoza
        11 January 2014 18: 18
        +10
        Quote: Civil
        The change of elites by force, that’s what revolution is ...

        Change of elites? This is not a revolution! This change was sewn to soap. The change of socio-political system - this is - REVOLUTION!
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 11 January 2014 18: 57
          +5
          Right. The change of elites is a revolt, trouble. Russia went through this more than once. bully
          1. sub307
            sub307 12 January 2014 06: 19
            +1
            Judging by the behavior of the so-called "elite" - it was badly "consolidated the material covered", as if "to repeat" it was not necessary.
            1. Civil
              Civil 12 January 2014 09: 19
              0
              Quote: sub307
              Judging by the behavior of the so-called "elite" - it was badly "consolidated the material covered", as if "to repeat" it was not necessary.

              It just doesn’t have anyone whose army has power!
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        2. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 12 January 2014 01: 31
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          Change of elites? This is not a revolution! This change was sewn to soap. The change of socio-political system - this is - REVOLUTION!

          you're right!
          in this regard, Ukraine has a wonderful opportunity to change the political system to Sharia bully
      2. AVV
        AVV 11 January 2014 20: 09
        +2
        This is when the tops can’t, but the lower classes don’t want!
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 12 January 2014 01: 37
      +1
      Quote: delfinN
      Well, get used to it. There are no victories without defeats.


      they need to get used to living with the mind, and not handouts. the right person is ashamed. ashamed of the code your people are so stupid that even a poor Bedouin regrets him.
  2. makarov
    makarov 11 January 2014 15: 46
    +9
    Indeed, if the unfortunate Egyptians feel sorry for the Ukrainians, then indeed, we with the power of thieves reached the pen !!!
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 11 January 2014 15: 56
      +14
      Quote: makarov
      Oh, if the unfortunate Egyptians spare the Ukrainians

      do not give offense to native Egypt angry laughing
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 11 January 2014 19: 11
        +4
        I’m writing from Egypt, and your lads here give such jazz)))) but in general they don’t even want to talk about the Maidan, they say it all enrages me !!!
    2. Neo1982
      Neo1982 11 January 2014 16: 36
      +4
      quote = makarov] we with the power of thieves reached the pen [/ quote]
      The article is not about thieves - it is about an attempt to organize another Orange Revolution - that is, about an attempt to reduce the already low level of sovereignty to zero. If in every word you see conversations about thieves, then you are no different from fans of pitiless and pseudo-patriots who are all-muttering.
      1. makarov
        makarov 11 January 2014 18: 54
        0
        "If you see conversations about thieves in every word, then you are no different from fans of grief-bulk and pseudo-patriots-all-propancies .."

        Actually, I’m a modest pensioner who, deep in sherry, has the color of thieves of state outfit either orange or blue, since it offends the state.
        And secondly, Neo1982 who are you, that would not know me, give me an assessment ??? About myself, I will send a link in PM, which has long been given me an assessment by society, so that you bite the tongue
        1. 120352
          120352 11 January 2014 19: 53
          +1
          And how much arrogance! Apparently, Mr. Makarov is used to living according to the principle "I am the boss. You are ...". Come on, FSB guy. Such relations are not accepted between people, only in the vertical of power. In general, a veterinarian will not help with such megalomania. Only a pathologist.
          I wouldn’t open the citizen’s link with the name of the gun, but would delete it immediately and reinstall the computer so that there are no traces left. In order not to become infected.
    3. Grbear
      Grbear 11 January 2014 17: 47
      +2
      Makarov, I’ll say one thing, but don’t be offended.

      Enemies are our own, and we understand - through our Slavic skin.

      Offended - so I’m from the Urals, come, we’ll have fun hi
      1. makarov
        makarov 11 January 2014 18: 58
        -2
        full of holes, men are upset soldier
        1. Grbear
          Grbear 11 January 2014 19: 23
          +2
          Sorry, I didn’t have to deal with slang. Because ... I do not inspire confidence. The fist is dry, and I speak a little. Disadvantages of education. Good luck.
        2. 120352
          120352 11 January 2014 19: 54
          +2
          I have no doubt in the frequent and specific contacts of a pistol man with men. Now it’s fashionable for such people.
          1. Grbear
            Grbear 11 January 2014 22: 40
            +1
            Lucky boy, I'm sorry to say this.

            But, there is a rule for men - "Do not take out your weapon unnecessarily. Got it ...
  3. mad
    mad 11 January 2014 16: 18
    +5
    Some kind of extreme tourism, to meet the New Year in a worried monkey. Did the author even drag the family along?
    1. I think so
      I think so 11 January 2014 17: 29
      +2
      At least I was with my wife ... But after Euromaidan, Egypt is the little things in life ... Ukrainians buzz mastaki ... iodine deficiency affects ...
  4. morpogr
    morpogr 11 January 2014 16: 19
    +1
    Brothers in misfortune. If the revolution has a beginning, the revolution has no end.
  5. askort154
    askort154 11 January 2014 16: 25
    +17
    Kievans! Don't you think it's time to move the "Maidan" to Lviv ?!
    1. ty60
      ty60 11 January 2014 18: 19
      +2
      Or in "San Francisco" Ukraine will understand
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 11 January 2014 18: 59
      +5
      Not to Lviv, but to Warsaw or Budapest. No.
      1. AVV
        AVV 12 January 2014 14: 29
        +1
        Anyway, for the majority of the protesters, this is hackwork or work !!! And in Warsaw they will pay at least eurotugs !!! It’s interesting when the West stops paying, how long does Euromaidan stand idle without money ???
  6. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 11 January 2014 16: 35
    +11
    Quote: And in a sign that Ukrainians and Egyptians are comrades in misfortune, he suggested lowering the price of the thing we chose to 4 dollars.

    Both in Egypt and Ukraine, the directors of their "misfortune" are in the European Union and America. To tell the truth, in Egypt they can shoot the butt, and these "benefactors" have flooded Ukraine. This is an example of impudence and rudeness: to come to a sovereign country and call on the Ukrainian government to "press down". The West has finally lost its shame!
    1. ty60
      ty60 11 January 2014 18: 22
      +1
      And nobody wanted to be indignant on the Maidan? Perhaps they didn’t want to show. However, where are the facts?
    2. frejaodina
      frejaodina 11 January 2014 21: 00
      +2
      They have no shame or conscience, they only bu $ iness
    3. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 12 January 2014 01: 35
      +1
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      The West has finally lost its shame!

      it’s strange that there are people whom it still surprises ...
  7. alone
    alone 11 January 2014 16: 37
    +5
    I want to wish the friendly Ukrainian people in 2014 to finally get out of the crisis, and they won’t be mistaken when choosing the authorities hi
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 11 January 2014 16: 51
      +4
      the issue of power has nothing to do with the issue of EUROMAIDAN. Please do not confuse! Just another pretext. Although the power is really lousy!
      hi
  8. Stinger
    Stinger 11 January 2014 16: 52
    +4


    The Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Yuriy Zakharchenko is included in the draft list of persons against whom sanctions may be imposed by the US government, the Ukrainian Pravda online magazine reports. In total, according to sources in Washington, the list contains 10 to 20 names. On January 15, the US Senate will host the second in two months hearings on Ukraine, entitled “The Consequences of the Crisis in Ukraine.” Former Deputy Hillary Clinton as US Secretary of State Melanie Virvir confirmed that sanctions are seen by the current US government as "one of the weapons."

    Cowboys do not sleep. Looking for sedition. Isn't it time to give them an ass, the Slavs?
    1. ty60
      ty60 11 January 2014 18: 26
      +4
      Introduce sanctions against the head of the FBI. Deny entry to ALL employees of the State Department until special permission.
    2. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 12 January 2014 01: 38
      0
      Quote: Stinger
      Yuri Zakharchenko

      and this is not the Zakharchenko that the golden eagle passed?

      Quote: ty60
      Introduce sanctions against the head of the FBI. Deny entry to ALL employees of the State Department until special permission.

      drift ...
  9. escobar
    escobar 11 January 2014 16: 53
    +5
    Quote: lonely
    I want to wish the friendly Ukrainian people in 2014 to finally get out of the crisis, and they won’t be mistaken when choosing the authorities

    Thank you, of course, only the whole choice will be presented in the form of the proteges of several aligarchic clans, in fact this cannot be called a choice. And the Euro-Maidans are also under the authority of one of these groups, although there are many ideological ones that are frankly sorry. My sympathy does not extend to the Nazis from the FREEDOM party, freedom from mind and morality.
    1. konvalval
      konvalval 11 January 2014 17: 57
      0
      Vote with your feet.
      1. 120352
        120352 11 January 2014 19: 59
        +3
        I mean, feet on the head ...
  10. demotivator
    demotivator 11 January 2014 17: 08
    +5
    Quote: sledgehammer102
    But we are still on the forums, on the streets on TV, incited to the same thing that has already happened around us, and it would be okay if there was at least one successful example, a victory over the same corruption, for example, because it seems like the people were for "JUSTICE "and from the tribunes they spoke about painful issues and spoke for" DEMOCRACY AND JUSTICE ", but there is no such example.
    They said the destruction of corruption - as a result, it only grew (Georgia)
    We talked about raising the standard of living - so he only does what falls (All "colored" countries)
    We talked about freedom of speech - as a result, freedom appeared to express only one point of view (all colored countries)
    They talked about order - it turned out a mess (Libya and Egypt)
    They talked about the fact that there will be no oligarchy - that’s how it stayed and even earned good money on it (Ukraine)

    And why do we need examples from other countries? It is enough to recall what the great Putin promised us, on the eve of all elections.
    1. The fight against poverty.
    I must admit - people (not all) began to live better. The incomes of the population tripled. Moreover, according to Putin, revenues grew 3 times, according to Medvedev - 8 times. Do they live in different countries or use different sources of information? So tell us, finally, how much has the income grown? Maybe in 8 times they grew up with the oligarchs?
    2. The fight against corruption.
    Of course, there was no fight against corruption. There was only imitation, a continuous talking room. They put one oligarch Khodorkovsky, by the way, not the worst of the whole fraternity. And then this was not a fight against corruption, but the personal hostility and revenge of our leader. All (and there were only 7 of them) were equidistant from politics. Other guys came in their place: mostly Putin’s personal friends, people who had personally proved their loyalty to Putin, or people from the FSB that Putin had worked with before. And it became 15 times more. This I am talking only about billionaire entrepreneurs. And if you count also billionaire officials, the figure will increase by another order of magnitude.
    3. Doubling of GDP.
    The task was set in 2003, and it was planned by 2010 to achieve this result. It did not happen, the crisis prevented. This explains the failure of the authorities. Thank God there is someone to shove. From 2001 to 2010 GDP growth amounted to 59,2%.
    4. The destruction of bandits in Chechnya.
    With a stretch, we can assume that there are no more bandits in Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov rules there. But at what cost is this done? What fabulous money goes there for the development of the region? This is a kind of tribute that Russia pays to Chechnya to solve their problems themselves. In general, the Caucasus is seething, it is turbulent in Dagestan, but the authorities are pretending that everything is doing well and reluctantly in the Caucasus, believing that big money solves everything.
    5. Reform of housing and communal services.
    Now we can say with 100% certainty that it has completely failed. If back in 2003, the population on average for the housing and communal services paid 60%, in 2010 - already more than 80%. And now in 72 regions the population already pays 100% of the cost of services. And back in 2003, on the eve of the election, our most important party, EdRo, promised all the people that already in 2004 each of us would pay half as much for electricity and heat.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 11 January 2014 17: 44
      +1
      Quote: demotivator
      3. Doubling of GDP.

      How to increase GDP by 2 times?
      feed twice as often
      1. ty60
        ty60 11 January 2014 18: 32
        0
        Very subtle humor.
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 11 January 2014 18: 46
          0
          Quote: ty60
          Very subtle humor.

          feed more often will not be thin laughing
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 11 January 2014 18: 35
        -1
        Quote: andrei332809
        How to increase GDP by 2 times?

        In growth, it will not work. All the same age!
        At the waist? So "young" will not allow!
        The task is impossible.
      3. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 12 January 2014 00: 34
        0
        well, and then double this GDP to drain twice ... - in general, they themselves understood where.
    2. 31231
      31231 11 January 2014 21: 37
      +3
      Can each point be argued with links ?! And then it looks like a cheap one in a throw. Especially in numbers.
      And why do we need examples from other countries?


      Do you offer to meet the rake with your forehead? And the experience of other countries should not be taken into account. So we have enough experience of our own, after the coup of 91 and the poverty of the 90s. Still something "to destroy" want?
    3. Cherdak
      Cherdak 11 January 2014 22: 45
      +3
      Quote: demotivator
      And why do we need examples from other countries?



      Michael, aren't you ashamed? Or is reposting so cool?

      © Author: Tatyana Tat

      ** Unfulfilled promises of the president

      http://fin-i.com/obzory/s-uklonom-v-politiku/nevypolnennye-obeschaniya-prezident


      a


      Too lazy to look for everything - but it is simply indecent to quote this hastily written jeans here.
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 16 January 2014 13: 50
        0
        For a worthy response to these typical reactions of anti-Russian commentators to any spite of the day, see http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_35815/

        "Compulsion to meaning. To the problem of ipad savages"
    4. Danafxnumx
      Danafxnumx 12 January 2014 01: 41
      +2
      Quote: demotivator
      1. The fight against poverty.
      I must admit - people (not all) began to live better. The incomes of the population tripled. Moreover, according to Putin, revenues grew 3 times, according to Medvedev - 8 times. Do they live in different countries or use different sources of information? So tell us, finally, how much has the income grown? Maybe in 8 times they grew up with the oligarchs?

      you know, I won’t answer you on all counts, but I’ll answer for this ...
      over the past 10 years, my salary has increased 30 times and compared with the Central European ...
      for information, I'm not an oligarch, but an ordinary personnel officer ...
  11. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 11 January 2014 17: 12
    +2
    Quote, escobar: although there are many ideological, which frankly sorry.

    I totally agree. Just do not see the main idea. What we want? Change one power, another: to jail release another from prison... and the people ??? How does he live next? That is the main question!
  12. Barakuda
    Barakuda 11 January 2014 17: 13
    +6
    Quote: lonely
    I want to wish the friendly Ukrainian people in 2014 to finally get out of the crisis, and they won’t be mistaken when choosing the authorities hi

    There is no choice, you will not be mistaken .. Only politicians and thieves are around. But my opinion is that it is better for Ukraine to speak Ukrainian and Russian than Polish, German, Romanian, Hungarian and, ultimately, English .. Hence the conclusion ........... do it yourself.
    1. alone
      alone 11 January 2014 22: 06
      +1
      There is always a choice. If there is a will and desire, as well as the presence of a third force that really wants to do something.
  13. Boris63
    Boris63 11 January 2014 17: 17
    +1
    Of course, Ukrainians are probably not very happy with such "condolences" (except for the price reduction). But the Egyptian "hard workers" feel better, after all, an international resort and they will be able to earn a little money on tourists, Ukrainians need to rely only on themselves. I also wish Ukraine to complete (rather) this orgy and when the economy recovers, calmly think about power.
  14. Barakuda
    Barakuda 11 January 2014 17: 21
    +6
    Quote: askort154
    Kievans! Don't you think it's time to move the "Maidan" to Lviv ?!

    Why to Lviv? Better to Brussels or Berlin .. Merchants willing, there the Western emissaries will meet. Let them shit ... and demolish the monuments. They will finally get acquainted with rubber bullets and gas grenades ... water cannons. and find out what Geyropa is.
  15. Barakuda
    Barakuda 11 January 2014 18: 01
    +4
    Quote: Boris63
    Ukrainians need to rely only on themselves

    For example, I myself hoped like most, We worked and are working, we are maidan to the bulb. Buses were collected only by the unemployed, mostly young people for money. You were there ? Ask many why and why they are there, clearly and without a fume can 30-40 percent. will answer. The rest is all the same - the sheep, if only to pay. How many builders from the West have there been no jobs left? Well, so they practically all were there, and not frozen with signs on their chests at train stations and Okrugny.
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 11 January 2014 19: 11
      +2
      Barkuda, you are the majority. Get sick.
      But, not to Citizen. There are other rules they are not there!
  16. Egoza
    11 January 2014 18: 28
    +4
    By the way, today the people of Kiev were already leaving - about 50 people, trying to dismantle the barricades. And the people were still standing with the slogans "Go to your home, free the Maidan." Well, so they clashed with the "protection" of the Maidan. And the police took them away to different corners. Not allowed to bring to a tough confrontation. It is understandable. Now because of yesterday - "A new provocation in Kiev on the eve of the hearings in the US Senate. Lutsenko in intensive care with CCMT"
    http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/226262-novaya-provokaciya-v-kieve-v-predver
    ii-slushaniy-v-senate-ssha.html
    will tighten the nuts again. But there is already an initiative. It's just that the people of Kiev came out, tired of this "decoration", without any parties and organizations. There will be more further.
  17. shinobi
    shinobi 11 January 2014 18: 29
    +3
    I don’t remember who said one of the classics about the French revolution: The revolution, having exhausted itself, will devour its children. From the school course of history, we all know its results for the revolutionaries themselves. But this prophecy is an axiom for some reason that everyone forgets.
    1. Grbear
      Grbear 11 January 2014 19: 05
      +2
      If not mistaken - Robespierre.
      1. SlavaP
        SlavaP 11 January 2014 22: 01
        +1
        Bravo, colleagues, to the very point. He took away and divided, but added nothing. Unlike revolution, in order to achieve something, you need to think, work hard and endure. The Chinese got burned a couple of times at all sorts of "Cultural Revolutions" and "Great Races" and grew wiser. Almost everyone has been thrown, and there will be more!
  18. Barakuda
    Barakuda 11 January 2014 19: 11
    +2
    Quote: shinobi
    When the revolution is exhausted, it will devour its children. From the school course of history, we all know its results for the revolutionaries themselves. But this prophecy is an axiom for some reason that everyone forgets.

    Hitler’s example - he killed almost all of his early minions, Stalin did the same. Gorbachev stayed behind the defense of the West, he sat there and dared to say how good he was ... Yeltsin’s family just bought future power so that they wouldn’t be touched .. There was a Union, there were scandals Watorgate, Irangate ... And now opposition is Livia, Iraq, Syria - a gate why not?
  19. Barakuda
    Barakuda 11 January 2014 19: 18
    +2
    Quote: GrBear
    Barkuda, you are the majority. Get sick.
    But, not to Citizen. There are other rules they are not there!

    Why not? I'm on the hand of the CCM, and I shoot well (without the bulldozer and flooding). And others in my gym pull the bars and hang up pears. We educate youth without alcohol and cigarettes and for the love of the Historical past of Kievan Rus. ... I politely answer ...........?
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 11 January 2014 19: 51
      +2
      Sorry to interfere, but GrBear is right ....
      Quote: Barracuda
      Why not? I'm on the hand of the CCM, and I shoot well (without the bulldozer and flood)

      War is not a gym .... starting from you, it will spread to us ....
    2. allexx83
      allexx83 12 January 2014 00: 49
      +1
      Well, we don’t have to get to the citizenry yet. Although, judging by the rate of spread of "freedom" it may come ... ((
  20. Neo1982
    Neo1982 11 January 2014 19: 29
    +2
    Quote: makarov
    deeply in sherry, the color of thieves of state affair is either orange or blue

    it’s not about thieves at all, understand at last, but about sovereignty. And enough already about thieves - no need to rock the boat.
    Well, as for your merits in the industry and in general, then it is all the more strange that you, albeit unconsciously, play the good of those who want to rock the situation in their own favor.
  21. Barakuda
    Barakuda 11 January 2014 19: 53
    +3
    Quote: Neo1982
    it’s not about thieves at all, understand at last, but about sovereignty. And enough already about thieves - no need to rock the boat.

    And who is rocking her? Isn't Brussels and Germany with the states? there, in my opinion, with the approval of the Bundestag-srag, the fascist swastika is not hanged, but they recommend us in the person of A. Merkel. and Obama under the fence and the White House does not burn barrels, and do not tear down in the nearest squares in front of the police. And we can, we are going to Europe ... here you have the sovereignty and democracy in the West. Opposition from the West requires one thing - grandmother.
  22. Barakuda
    Barakuda 11 January 2014 20: 02
    +3
    Quote: sergey72
    War is not a gym .... starting from you, it will spread to us ....

    And who argues. In fact, this is unlikely for us. The authorities do not know what to do, so it rushes about. And those vablo gave and these, now quarreled. and who owes whom, now they can’t understand.
    1. Egoza
      11 January 2014 20: 58
      +5
      Quote: Barracuda
      In fact, this is unlikely for us.

      List of meaningless things that Ukrainians do
      - Go to the Maidan in order to curse those who called them there in 3 months.
      - Shout at every corner: “Give me the opportunity to travel freely to Europe”, while not even having money in my pocket for a tram.
      - Go to the Maidan and feed the newly arrived Galician office, and then after them wash the walls of houses and charmed front doors. After some year, repeat this procedure again.
      - Vote for the oligarchs, and then shout that they are robbing them. Repeat this procedure every 4 years.
      - It is naive to believe that Europeans will come and repair the ruined economy of Ukraine and the broken roads.
      - To amuse yourself with the hope that the EU will pay them salary money so that the salary is not lower than 1000 euros.
      - Shouting: “I want to go to Geyevropu,” and then for a long and tedious attempt to explain to my children why it is bad to be gay and lesbian.
      - Skip lectures at universities, hanging out on the Maidan, and then dream that at least someone in Europe will need their level of knowledge and diplomas.
      The list of meaningless things that Ukrainians do can be safely supplemented.
      Vladimir Ivbor
      http://www.vremia.ua/rubrics/politika/5113.php
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 11 January 2014 21: 13
        +1
        I meant that we will not shoot at each other. Although this happens, thank God is much less common than in Gayrop and the United States.
  23. wax
    wax 11 January 2014 21: 14
    +1
    As I understand it, Ukraine has been begging for several years. Devastation in the heads with forelocks. But it bloomed and smelled when it was part of the USSR. This is what independence means for a country drawn on a map and not grown on its own basis.
  24. propolsky
    propolsky 11 January 2014 21: 16
    +1
    Not a single revolution has brought dividends to ordinary people and I take advantage of its unenviable position and, to be honest, with dullness there is a redistribution of pieces of power and influence. Leaders quickly forget why their people came to power.
  25. Charon
    Charon 11 January 2014 21: 31
    +1
    Thanks to the author for valuable information. I am considering a trip to Egypt. I will definitely consider it.
  26. DMB-78
    DMB-78 11 January 2014 21: 42
    +1
    “The life of political gopniks is full of adventure. Either May 9 veterans are tormented, then monuments are broken, or they are received in the face. Romance ... At least once would you give an adequate assessment of the lawlessness of the “Svobodovites”. It’s a shame for a normal person to be with them ”
    The head of the Kharkov regional state administration Mikhail Dobkin
  27. Barakuda
    Barakuda 11 January 2014 21: 42
    0
    Quote: Wax
    As I understand it, Ukraine has been begging for several years. Devastation in the heads with forelocks. But it bloomed and smelled when it was part of the USSR. This is what independence means for a country drawn on a map and not grown on its own basis.

    Well, do not flatter yourself, there is still gunpowder in the powder flasks. You have the same pranksters there. God forbid, In union with Russia. And about forelocks - read the story ATTENTIVELY! And where did they throw the Malyshev plants, Already not in Nizhny Tagil, for example, how many enterprises by the will of Stalin left Ukraine for the Urals? And about the map drawn, draw 1600, you will see there. Thanks to the centurion hetman Khmelnitsky! Which at first saved the king of Poland during the siege of Moscow, then organized an alliance with Russia.
  28. Ulairy
    Ulairy 11 January 2014 23: 27
    +1
    "Thank you, noble Arab, praise you for not watching the drunken exclamations about" TAGIL !!! "Yes, let's go to the anus, gentlemen ... Didn't you, who lived in" Soviet "stability, suit you ?! Did you want a new government? a full spoon !!! Yes, more, MORE !!! The USSR helped you, Europe helped you, help yourself - buy 4 AK-74 turbaks and shoot yourself. Everyone. Help your homeland ...
    History does not like "stepchildren", there is something in sons that cannot be seen in the great homeland of Ra and Bastet ...
  29. Bosk
    Bosk 11 January 2014 23: 56
    +2
    This is what happens ... how does the revolution mean the oligarchs share power, but how does the people rise so quickly that riot and even simply pogroms?
  30. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 12 January 2014 00: 24
    +4
    Quote: Bosk
    This is what happens ... how does the revolution mean the oligarchs share power, but how does the people rise so quickly that riot and even simply pogroms?

    The second sign:
    If everything is possible for money, this is democracy, and if thieves are in prison, then this is red terror.
  31. ochakow703
    ochakow703 12 January 2014 10: 10
    +1
    Usually one or several people create a revolutionary situation, make thousands or millions, reap the sweet fruits - units, and the rest (millions) - bitter ones. It is always so ... And no matter what color the revolution has, the outcome is one. And there is no point in discussing who is worse in his revolutionary outburst: whether Ukrainians, Russians, or Egyptians. There are a handful of scoundrels around the world (somewhere there are more, somewhere less) who do not give a damn about all the laws and regulations, create their dirty tricks mixed up with human blood, and as a result, it all comes down to the number of bucks in individual pockets.
  32. Lukich
    Lukich 12 January 2014 10: 50
    0
    ... the main goal of the revolution is the Change of Elites !!! ...

    .... the main slogan of all revolutions is THE LUMBED REAL !!! !!! ...

    ... there is such a saying - with the world on a thread - naked x ... in s ... ku ...- this is for the revolutionary people ...

    ... Therefore, the Egyptians pity us, they have already received the will! And honestly regret the weak minds ...

    ... the revolution, about the necessity, which the Bolsheviks all the time were talking about - "came up" - "Waa" tovaischi "!!! (VI Lenin.) ...
  33. Sergey S.
    Sergey S. 12 January 2014 13: 23
    +1
    Quote: Lukich
    ... the main goal of the revolution is the Change of Elites !!! ...

    .... the main slogan of all revolutions is THE LUMBED REAL !!! !!! ...

    Wow comrades !!! (V.I. Lenin.) ...

    1. But what about 1991? I agree about the elite. But there were no attempts to rob in the appeals.
    2. Change of elites (A strange name for those who have seized power and went bankrupt) is a mandatory and natural process. In families, this happens quite often (the transition of real initiative to young or new relatives), and the problem does not stick out. At the enterprises - it is legalized by election or actions of the top management. But in the general society (country), attempts are constantly being made to disguise attempts to not give up power to healthy hands ...
    So the main problem is not in the revolutionaries, but in the counter-revolutionaries. Again, in 1991, the Communists acted very honestly - with the will of the people, they gave power to the Democrats. In reality, we have lost a lot from this, but in the future we now know that there are political forces that are not only externally, but also internally democratic in the best sense of the word.
    3. V.I. Lenin burrowed, but not so much that it prevented him from speaking the correct Russian (and several foreign) language, he did not appear to be a submitter to the people, he was not a shareholder in tidbits, and he did not sit up relatives and close ones in high positions.
  34. catapractic
    catapractic 12 January 2014 14: 02
    +1
    this is the ending of any oligarchic "revolution". In whatever country it occurs.
    Ah, dear man, such a finale for any revolution-oligarchic, social, national ... ordinary people will always suffer, and if he even feels better at some point then it will be much worse, the latter will be taken away.
  35. kare
    kare 12 January 2014 14: 15
    +1
    Quote: Ivanovich47
    Quote: And in a sign that Ukrainians and Egyptians are comrades in misfortune, he suggested lowering the price of the thing we chose to 4 dollars.

    Both in Egypt and Ukraine, the directors of their "misfortune" are in the European Union and America. To tell the truth, in Egypt they can shoot the butt, and these "benefactors" have flooded Ukraine. This is an example of impudence and rudeness: to come to a sovereign country and call on the Ukrainian government to "press down". The West has finally lost its shame!


    you cannot lose what has never been
  36. Andrey1
    Andrey1 12 January 2014 19: 01
    +1
    You can go to Egypt. But it will be boring. Only on site can you relax. You can go to the market, to the restaurant outside the hotel. But some long trips personally bothered me. Even the same Charm is divided into zones, and the road is controlled by a block of posts with machine gunners. This is the protection of tourists. By moving to areas where there are sellers, I fought back just from these Egyptians. They grab almost by the hand, and impose something to buy. Especially sellers of local perfumes and creams. As one or two girls attack, it’s generally kapets. They take a brazen hand, and drag it to themselves. I have not seen such shamelessness in any country. He also finishes me when you approach the seller, and he just starts to lick my wife's ass. What is she, spreading, what is she beautiful, etc. etc.
    I ask the Aboriginal, is it nothing that I'm standing here? He told me and what's wrong with that. I asked the guide at the hotel. She replies to me, these are Egyptians, why be jealous of them))) Another joke, I flew to Sharm, a boy of about 15 comes up to me, and so insolently, give 1 dollar))) I'm in shock, I still have childhood reaction, for this immediately into a melon))) But how old I am and he seems to be no threat) I can hardly restrain myself, and I ask again, "what, you want me to give you a dollar?" He answers yes. He did not offer any service, I specify. Then an adult Egyptian came up, weighed a lump for me, and we left. I also want to add that in Egypt until now, the death penalty is in force for drunkenness. Alcohol can be consumed in the hotel, but in restaurants outside, it is prohibited. I would like to add that there are very tasty restaurants in Egypt, but outside the hotels.
  37. individual
    individual 12 January 2014 19: 53
    0
    “What is generosity?”
    - You see, there are souls as small as a wallet, you can only put money in there. And there are souls where heaven, earth, people, and animals are placed. This is generosity.