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Moral distortions: even the fascists saved the civilian population from Bandera?

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Moral distortions: even the fascists saved the civilian population from Bandera?Not so long ago, a film entitled “Our Mothers, Our Fathers” was released in Germany, in which it was shown how the Nazis save a Jewish girl from cruel Ukrainian policemen.


I would not comment on this film if I did not see that Germany, again under different sauces, is not trying to give its assessment of World War II, often showing the fascist army humane.

But against the background of the impulses of neo-Nazis and Ukrainian nationalists to join the Fourth Reich, I think this film is for Bandera and maydantovy to some extent sign. Why do I use the phrase "Fourth Reich"? Because against the background of orange hysteria that Ukraine is not allowed into the EU, I want to remind you that nobody called us there. And the association agreement is a colonial agreement for the marginalized, which, on the one hand, will finish our economy, and on the other hand, will strengthen Germany, which is the EU engine. In addition, the association agreement is the beginning of the end of Ukraine’s sovereignty, since in the near future Ukraine will leave without land, without the famous black soil, which Hitler so dreamed of in the Third Reich.

Let's go back to Bandera. Together with the iconic scene from the above film, it is worth recalling the recent trial of Demjanjuk, which also took place in Germany. For the whole world, Europe showed a Ukrainian collaborator, an accomplice in the killings of the victims of the Nazis. It seems to look like the alarm bell of Europe on neo-Nazism?

At the same time, the Germans called the trial over Demjanjuk the “LAST LARGE PROCESS OVER THE NAZI CRIMINAL” (“Der womöglich letzte große NS-Kriegsverbrecher-Prozess”, Die Zeit). True, I doubt that he is the last. Since the new sprouts have already bred.

But did the EU forget that Bandera, whose heirs stand today on Euromaidan as leaders, destroyed the German fascists only during the Volyn Massacre and after the Great Patriotic War in Western Ukraine about 180 thousands of Soviet citizens?

Did the EU forget what slogans are written by the heirs of the shortages during football matches in the center of Europe? Do not they know that visiting people in Kiev beat peaceful people just because they speak Russian? Forgot that the leaders of the Maidan gave the FIFA assessment, and the stadium in Lviv was disqualified for qualifying matches with the participation of the national team up to and including 2018?

And why is the EU satisfied that one of the national football players, Karpaty, is making a sharp challenge to all the victims of the OUN-UPA warriors? Indeed, after the FIFA reaction, the Natsik out of spite changed the color of the Karpat form. The choice of colors "OUN-UPA" was not accidental. “This is a kind of nod to the colors of the national liberation movement for the freedom of Ukraine, which was led by the Hero of Ukraine Stepan Bandera,” said Daniil Nikulenko, head of the Karpaty FC information center.

The answer is obvious. EU leadership is hypocritical. None of them wants to answer basic questions. Instead of a sharp reaction to the torch processions of neo-Nazis in the center of the capital of Ukraine, the continuous anti-Semitic and racist slogans of the members of the nationalist parliamentary party Svoboda were opposed to the German reaction. An open homosexual who (fu-fu-fu) officially signed with a peasant, he’s the German foreign minister, Guido Westerwelle, came to embrace the leaders of the Maidan and give them moral support on behalf of the EU in general and the Fourth Reich in particular.

"Ukraine should be on board Europe, because we are united by a joint история, shared culture, shared values. We further want to see you as our partners, ”said Westerwelle. I don’t know what kind of partners the German high-ranking homosexual sees Ukrainians (these are already questions to Euromaidan leaders and “free” opposition journalists of the Portnikov level), but didn’t talk about the common history and value system Westerwelle didn’t (or didn’t have) rights!

In response to the statements of Euromaidan leaders that the Ukrainians showed their desire to go to Europe, once again I want to say the following. For understanding. I do not need to go to Europe. I studied in the Soviet school and received a good Soviet education. So, even the one who knew geography for C grade, will tell you: Ukraine is Europe. We are the second after Russia in terms of territory among European countries. If you are talking about "European values" - if you please!

It remains to be fantasized that if the leadership of the EU and the Ukrainian authorities do not care about the hotbed of Nazism and neo-fascism in the center of Europe, then this scum will have to be dealt with by new SMERSH groups and fighters with collaborators from the Mossad?
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  1. makarov
    makarov 11 January 2014 16: 08
    +5
    I don’t know about Bender’s, therefore I can’t speak. But my late great-grandmother, Matrena Prokofievna, was robbed by the retreating Kalmyks. But she was not taken aback, she ran to the neighbor where the German officer lived on guard and screamed everything. He lined up the Kalmyks, asked WHO ?, the woman indicated, so he beat them in the face right in the ranks, the bastards returned everything.
    1. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 12 January 2014 07: 56
      +25
      Everyone knows who the authorship of the slogan "Russia for Russians" belongs to? The devil knew what to put pressure on, though he was not lucky, then there was no Internet and such corrupt Russian media
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 January 2014 08: 21
        +5
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        Everyone knows who the authorship of the slogan "Russia for Russians" belongs to?

        Probably couldn’t write anything smarter.
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 12 January 2014 10: 34
          +86
          Quote: Author Evgeny Tsarkov
          Bandera’s people, whose heirs stand on Euromaidan today as leaders, destroyed about 180 thousand Soviet citizens without the German fascists only during the Volyn massacre and after the Second World War in Western Ukraine

          You whitewash this figure of Bandera, or what?
          "399 Polish villages in Volhynia and 218 in Rivne region were completely or partially destroyed. The total number of victims, according to Polish data, that is, data from the Polish authorities, reaches about 500 thousand people." Brief analytical report on the Volyn massacre of the Polish population in Western Ukraine - www.russian.kiev.ua/archives/2003/0307/030711san1.shtml Read the link to everyone who is interested in this topic.

          It is well known that Khatyn with people burnt alive the 118th battalion of the schutzmanshaft, formed from part of the executioners of Bukovinsky kuren, who was shooting at Babi Yar. Burned this the battalion was not only Khatyn, but also Osov, Vileyka, Kozyri ... And all of these battalions (military punishers) were about two hundred with a total number of 35 thousand animals.


          More than 80 thousand came to the SS division "Galicia"! VOLUNTEERS. And this division "fought" not at the front. Her only "battle" against the Red Army near Brody ended at about the same time when it began, with very deplorable results for the "division". This division "fought" against civilians in Ukraine and Eastern Europe.

          And there were also numerous police and self-defense formations. UPA.

          Separately, it is worth recalling the beloved Galician work as executioners in concentration camps. Demyanjuk is far from the only one. For them, there was a whole school in the Majdanek branch of the Travniki concentration camp. Graduations from this school were already carried out by executioners in other concentration camps.

          I’ll also mention separately that D. Klyachkivsky’s member of the UPA “Klim Savur” in 1943 gave the order not only to mass extermination of the Poles in Volyn, he also ordered the extermination of the Russian encircled people who had been killed on the farm (there were a lot of).

          Galicians: Bandera, Melnikov, etc. - do not forget anything. The number of people killed by them, I think, is far beyond a million and not one. Moreover, mainly Ukrainians, mainly peaceful old people, women, children. (Men, after all, were at the front)

          What is especially disgusting, all this activity of theirs for their "freedom" was actively supported by the Uniate hierarchs, such as:
          I. Grinokh “Daniliv” - captain of the Abwehr, chaplain of the Nachtigall battalion, chaplain of the 201st battalion of the schutzmannsafa, chief chaplain of the 14th Waffen SS of the Galichina division, organizer and member of the UPA General Staff, was responsible for the UPA's communication with the Abwehr and the Gestapo , holder of two German crosses.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 12 January 2014 10: 49
            +68
            Volyn massacre: crime and punishment
            massacre.
            The photo below was taken almost 70 years ago.
            The child in the photo is 2-year-old Cheslava Khzhanovskaya from the village of Kuty (Kosovo district of Ivano-Frankivsk region, Western Ukraine).
            Angelic child looks into the camera lens ... This is her last photo.
            In April 1944, Bandera attacked the village of Kuta.
            The sleeping Cheslava was stabbed with a bayonet in the crib at night. For what ? - Because she was non-Ukrainian.
            2-year-old Cheslava Khzhanovskaya pierced with a bayonet

            It doesn’t fit in my head for what it took to take the life of this child.
            1. 120352
              120352 12 January 2014 12: 03
              +47
              It seems to me, gentlemen, that Bandera and Bandera are a movement of mentally deprived individuals without a brain, sharpened to destroy all who have something different from theirs. For example, the presence of consciousness. Today's followers are the same individuals without brains. We should have them in a cage and in a zoo. Show to children. Say, you will not obey mom and dad, you will become the same.
              1. 222222
                222222 12 January 2014 13: 14
                +33
                “Once again, chimeras rise from the dust:
                At the head of rapists and killers
                Wandering along the Khreschatyk Bandera,
                Embracing Goebbels and Himmler. "
                (Igor Khentov, “Chimeras”)
                http://www.stihi.ru/2009/09/06/1435
              2. Cherdak
                Cherdak 12 January 2014 15: 36
                +76
                Quote: 120352
                ... you will not obey mom and dad, you will become the same.


                Gathered once on the Maidan:

                Ambassadors of the USA, France, Spain, Germany, Denmark;
                US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland;
                US Senators - Chris Murphy and John McCain;
                German Foreign Minister - Guido Westerwelle;
                European Union High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy - Catherine Ashton;
                former president of Georgia - Mikheil Saakashvili;
                Dutch Foreign Minister - France Timmermans;
                MEP - Jacek Protasevic;
                Lithuanian Foreign Minister - Linas Linkevicius;
                Speaker of the Sejm of Lithuania - Loreta Graužinene;
                former Prime Minister of Poland - Jaroslav Kaczynski;
                Czech Senator - Jaromir Stetina
                and……accused Russia of interfering in the internal affairs of Ukraine!


                taken from http://lenta.ru/comments/articles/2014/01/11/lutcenko/
                1. jjj
                  jjj 12 January 2014 18: 10
                  +5
                  This observation is in large circulation. To tears. thank
                2. viper153
                  viper153 12 January 2014 20: 24
                  +1
                  Thanks for watching! Accurately, concisely and intelligibly!
                3. Sasha1979
                  Sasha1979 13 January 2014 01: 34
                  0
                  There’s nothing to add, and no one. Laughing :))
              3. Sirocco
                Sirocco 12 January 2014 18: 16
                +17
                Quote: 120352
                It seems to me, gentlemen, that Bandera and Bandera are a movement of mentally deprived individuals without a brain,

                I look at the Bandera’s, the Wahhabi’s one ideology, and I suspect that there are some mentors.
            2. Anper
              Anper 12 January 2014 13: 46
              +9
              http://uglich-jj.livejournal.com/52576.html
              After that (in the sense of exile), even the Germans in Lviv clutched their heads, gave their capital, especially Kokh, and he quietly put Stetsk in Sachsenhausen to eat delicious and sweet sleep in Bandera. And the brave UPA sat until 1944 in the woods, bravely fighting among themselves (Bandera and Melnikovites). They behaved in such a way that even their comrades-in-arms in their emigration responded to them, to put it mildly, unflattering.
              There is one interesting book Ukrainian Nationalist Organizations during the Second World War. Documents in 2 t. Moscow, Rosspen, 2012. And nothing else will be needed.
            3. avg
              avg 12 January 2014 16: 07
              +16
              Quote: The same LYOKHA
              It doesn’t fit in my head for what it took to take the life of this child.

              It also doesn’t fit with me, but I remember Irina Farion and begin to understand where their bestial nature grows from.
              1. 222222
                222222 12 January 2014 16: 45
                +7
                Oh shit ...
                "People's Deputy from the Svoboda faction, Irina Farion, finally confirmed that in 1988 she was a member of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, and called this story" a storm in a teacup. "
                “In 1988, solely for reasons of scientific, career growth, I entered this. And in 1989, just a year later, I got out of this shit. And not only got out of this shit, but even quit the university, because for realizing this mistake, I understood that, of course, there would be no graduate school, nor my scientific activity there. Therefore, I was looking for the realization of my own, completely cutting off any connection with this mistake, in other places, "Farion said to the radio station" Lvivska hvilya ". Http://podrobnosti.ua/power/2013/11/21/943650.html
                http://censor.net.ua/news/260432/farion_nakonetsto_priznalas_chto_byla_chlenom_k
                pss_ya_vstupila_v_eto_dermo_radi_karernogo_rosta_audio
                1. pvv113
                  pvv113 12 January 2014 17: 07
                  +12
                  Wikipedia page about Farion:
                  Political Activities [edit | edit source]

                  Member of the Komsomol since September 1978 [8]
                  In April 1987, the laboratory assistant I. Farion became a candidate member of the CPSU and received a party card No. 08932425, and a year later, on April 15, 1988, she was admitted to the party (State Archives of the Lviv Region, P-92 fund, inventory 2, file 258). [ 10] [11] [12]. According to a former lecturer at Lviv University Gennady Atamanchuk, who gave a course of lectures at the Faculty of Philology, Irina Farion was a member of the party bureau of the faculty (the only student at the faculty who was a member of the CPSU [13]) and left the party only after the failure of the August putsch of the State Emergency Committee [14] ][fifteen]. Farion herself, who had lied for a long time [15] about her non-involvement in the Communist Party, in November 16, under the weight of the evidence gathered by journalists, admitted her membership in the CPSU, but stated that she quit it in 2013 [1989].
                  Since 2005, a member of the All-Ukrainian Association "Freedom". In the parliamentary elections in Ukraine in 2006 and 2007, the candidate for people's deputies of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine from VO "Freedom" (both times was third on the list).
                  1. Old Cynic
                    Old Cynic 12 January 2014 21: 51
                    +4
                    And how well it began ...
                    Allegedly, Ruslana (the one who promised to arrange self-immolation on MayDown) about Farion:

                    "Not so long ago, Mrs. Farion herself, trying to hide from journalists the truth about her communist past, stated that eagles DO NOT confess to hyenas. Ms. Irina, I have to correct you: you are not an eagle, but rather a chicken - just as stale and blue as those that lay on the shelves of grocery stores under the Soviet regime, the Soviet regime that you served so persistently when you were a young Komsomol member and a member of the CPSU. district committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union of Lvov. By the way, he was a native of the glorious Russian city of Smolensk - and by no means an ethnic Ukrainian ".

                    And how abruptly she disowned these words ...
                  2. Motors1991
                    Motors1991 13 January 2014 20: 58
                    0
                    She was an active girl, at the age of 23 to become a member of the CPSU at the institute, what merit should I have? By the way, we have a modern national hero named Vyacheslav Chernovol, so while studying at the university this hero was a Komsomol of the faculty, (in I didn’t serve the army, I didn’t have any merit to the Fatherland), I had the first go either for rape, or just for attempted rape, here I can’t say for sure. But the fact remains that this gentleman, having underestimated somehow found himself at the construction site blast furnaces in Mariupol, and then on the construction of a cascade of hydroelectric power stations on the Dnieper. I didn’t hang yellow-and-black flags, I didn’t do the wall newspaper with glorification of the percussionists, only one thing remains: I worked with Kyle in my hands, and now is the hero of Ukraine. heroes ,, traitors, rapists, murderers. You cannot build a state on such a foundation.
              2. Current 72
                Current 72 13 January 2014 02: 20
                +3
                Well, if this witch was placed on an advertising poster, then people would sidestep him. The evil spirits climbed out from the underground.
            4. varov14
              varov14 12 January 2014 17: 25
              +6
              I can't think of what it took to take this child's life .---- This is why it was needed - “Ukraine should be on board Europe, because we are united by a common history, common culture, common values. We want to see you as our partners in the future, ”Westerwelle said.“ Western Europe is a long-standing goblin world, a constant policy of double standards. Now they have completely gone off the rails: in the Arab world they support Muslim extremists, in the "Christian" world of Bandera Nazis, at home, peace-loving, various sects of blue, pink, green, etc., and everything is ultimately aimed at the destruction of people.
          2. 10kAzAk01
            10kAzAk01 12 January 2014 11: 06
            +6
            Separately, I also mention that a member of the General Staff of UPA D. Klyachkivsky “Klim Savur” in 1943 gave the order not only to mass extermination of the Poles in Volyn, he also gave the order to exterminate the Russian encircled people who had nailed to the farm (there were a lot of those after the encirclement of the first period of the war).

            Last name painfully familiar ...... did he have a twin brother?
            1. 120352
              120352 12 January 2014 12: 04
              +4
              The surname was simply shortened. And so - everything to the point.
          3. nnz226
            nnz226 12 January 2014 13: 52
            +23
            And they scream about the fact that Stalin was a tyrant! Yes, he was a snotty humanist and a liberal! If this trash was not completely burnt out in 1944-45 and then until the end of his life !!! It was necessary to behave like this with Bandera and other UPAshitskoy bastards, so that even now their "vulgar diarrhea" would sneak through only when they tried to open their filthy mouth to yell: "Glory to Ukraine!"
          4. 120352
            120352 12 January 2014 15: 04
            0
            On the side of Nazi Germany, not less than 150 thousand people from among the "Ukrainians" fought simultaneously.
            1. Reyngard
              Reyngard 12 January 2014 19: 28
              +2
              What is most interesting, the Russians fought on the side of the Nazis even more.
          5. wow
            wow 12 January 2014 15: 16
            +19
            I really want, just to eerie, to see the "urkaina" within the boundaries of 1939 (or even better - in 1924). Lord Poles will quickly teach Zapadnenskoe "love homeland" !!! They have not forgotten anything and have not forgiven. And, probably, it will be so. Everything goes to this.
            1. viper153
              viper153 12 January 2014 20: 38
              +11
              Ukraine within its modern borders is an artificial entity that, for objective reasons, cannot exist for long. The faster the natural disintegration of Ukraine will take place, the less human losses and moral costs for Ukrainians will be. I am Ukrainian by nationality, but this in no way can force me to become a marginal and a neo-fascist ...
              1. Egoza
                12 January 2014 21: 16
                0
                Quote: viper153
                Ukraine within its modern borders is an artificial entity that, for objective reasons, cannot exist for long

                It may very well be! Now almost all astrologers say that the Maidan will last a maximum of a month, and Ukraine ... "In six months, danger may arise for territorial integrity." The tendency is either federalization, or a very serious internal restructuring of the state, "the astrologer adds. (TSN 1 + 1) So it's not long to wait!
                1. vanaheym
                  vanaheym 13 January 2014 01: 37
                  0
                  And where does the astrologer? The money that the Americans sent is just enough for a maximum of a month.
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          6. smersh70
            smersh70 12 January 2014 22: 33
            -3
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            burned the 118th battalion of the schutzmanshaft, formed from a part of the executioners of Bukovinsky kuren, who shot at Babi Yar. This battalion burned not only Khatyn, but also the Osovs, Vileyka, Kozyri ... And all of these battalions (military punishers) were about two hundred with a total number of 35 thousand animals.

            and right now I remembered chtoli .. where were you in the days of the USSR, when Khatyn traveled .... would get up and speak out that Ukrainians burned Khatyn .... Soviet power would show you where the crayfish hibernate .... Khatyn-- it's just a symbol - it's not who burned it .... on the side of the Wehrmacht, all military units from the population of the USSR fought ........ Khatyn is a symbol of the struggle against invaders ... a patriotic symbol ... . right now we all fuck up the Communists, including myself ...... but they don’t have a price in teaching patriotism ..... Epischev and Suslov (if you know who they are) must adopt the best of everything .... hi
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        2. 120352
          120352 12 January 2014 11: 57
          +13
          The authorship of the slogan belongs to Alexander III, it was confirmed by Mendeleev, Dostoevsky, Skobelev. So, there is no need for provocations, "tovaristch" from agitprop. You will also call the revolution of 1917 Russian ...
      2. DS22
        DS22 12 January 2014 09: 14
        +18
        For reference: the slogan "Russia is for the Russians!" already 150 years old. It was introduced to the broad masses during the suppression of the first Russian revolution of 1905-1907 by the Black Hundreds. So comrade. Schicklgruber has absolutely nothing to do with ..... Learn history!
        1. KCC
          KCC 12 January 2014 11: 34
          +6
          It is noteworthy who and when to use it. Draw conclusions
          1. 120352
            120352 12 January 2014 15: 13
            +3
            But you can openly, without a hint, remember who denies it. Alexander the third, the sovereign who proclaimed the slogan, was a patriot, but he denied this slogan and continues to deny the action of one modern political figure who fills the Russian country with non-Russian.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 12 January 2014 22: 43
              -10%
              Quote: 120352
              but he denied this slogan and continues to deny the action of one modern political figure

        2. KCC
          KCC 12 January 2014 11: 34
          -5
          It is noteworthy who and when to use it. Draw conclusions
        3. 120352
          120352 12 January 2014 12: 06
          +1
          And you teach. And arithmetic too.
          Arithmetic first. 1905-1907 years have passed since the revolution of 107-109.
          Now the story. The author of this slogan is Alexander the Third. Sovereign is our Russian.
        4. 120352
          120352 12 January 2014 15: 09
          +1
          The moderators removed my arithmetic editing. Its essence is as follows. If you negate 2014 from 1905, you get 109, but not 150. I think that there is nothing political or, especially, obscene, so gentlemen.
      3. Civil
        Civil 12 January 2014 09: 30
        +18
        The riot in Little Russia must already be crushed, it is time to restore the Odessa Military District!
        1. morpex
          morpex 12 January 2014 18: 04
          +5
          Quote: Civil
          The riot in Little Russia must already be crushed, it is time to restore the Odessa Military District!

          With all my heart I hate Bandera and everything that is connected with them. For it is FASCISM. Even if they had good intentions this does not justify them. For they went along with the invaders.
          I also hate the calls of such "preoccupied" as you. When your government brings you to such a state in which the Ukrainian people found themselves, stay in our shoes, then you will have other advice. I am sure of this. But for now, push yourself boil on one place and let us deal with this bestiality called power ...
          1. Current 72
            Current 72 13 January 2014 02: 31
            0
            So YOU ​​deal with yourself, come to a consensus, and then deal, even with power, even with the devil.
      4. Basarev
        Basarev 12 January 2014 12: 02
        +5
        But didn’t Alexander III say so directly - Russia - for Russians and in Russian?
      5. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 15: 02
        0
        The author of this slogan "Russia for the Russians" Alexander III, Sovereign.
      6. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 12 January 2014 22: 29
        +4
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        Everyone knows who the authorship of the slogan "Russia for Russians" belongs to?

        Judging by the number of pluses put to you - not everyone.
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      2. makarov
        makarov 12 January 2014 10: 51
        +33
        Directly for Nicholas - Corsair.
        My grandfather burned out in a tank in the early days of the war near Brest.
        Great-grandfather was stolen to Germany, fled, 6 months getting home.
        My mother was born at the beginning of the war, when her father was no longer alive, that is, being born orphaned.
        My grandmother was engaged in underground activities, and because of treason, she was sentenced to death.
        My great-grandmother carried a transfer to her in prison, and was also arrested by gendarmes.
        My mother, a girl of 2,5 years, lived for almost 2 months herself, thank you people looked out with caution not to be arrested for the help of the underground family.
        And you still dare to insult my family ??? Yes, you are not much different from fascists !!!
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        2. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 12 January 2014 11: 27
          +12
          Quote: makarov
          And you still dare to insult my family ??? Yes, you are not much different from fascists !!!

          I do not care about your family, my relatives were not sitting on the stove either.
          No need to talk about German humanism and the good German guys deceived by Hitler. Nobody forced them to rob, rape and kill civilians and no one invited to our land.
          1. makarov
            makarov 12 January 2014 11: 49
            +6
            Unfortunately, you just have a perverted understanding of things, almost what’s wrong, you start to ride your ass. In all likelihood, this is the way of life .... this is not correctable, this is the diagnosis !!!
        3. acute
          acute 12 January 2014 14: 52
          +3
          Makarov. I do not understand. Either you write about the Nazis as supporting the law, then your whole family fought these defenders, the fascists are you for us. Decide who you are?
          1. makarov
            makarov 12 January 2014 15: 29
            +4
            I look, we are about the same age, only thoughts in different ways. I just gave an example from the history of my family, and nothing more. There weren’t any Benderaites in my region, but there were Kalmyks.
            At the expense of who to be with ??? Then they asked me many times, and almost always demanded to immediately decide !! And I have never been afraid of anyone, and boldly sent to sherry, because I used to be myself, and not for what someone would like. And used to say what I think. and without tricks, and therefore uncomfortable.
            1. dark_65
              dark_65 12 January 2014 15: 46
              +3
              here half the color blind, they x x..you drink what is red, what is white.
              And you will write about reading between the lines, so 58 article will be sewn right away.
            2. avg
              avg 12 January 2014 16: 29
              +4
              Quote: makarov
              I’m used to being myself, and not for what someone would like. And used to say what I think. and without tricks, and therefore uncomfortable.

              Dear Pavel, no one accuses you of whitening fascism. You just gave a bad example. Separate examples for history are nothing, but when they begin to be massive, then the story begins. In this case, your example is in tune with the current trend in Germany today, that all the horrors were created by SS men and all kinds of marginals, but the valiant Wehrmacht soldiers are warriors without fear and reproach, and the Germans should be proud of them.
            3. acute
              acute 13 January 2014 11: 20
              0
              Well, I will not tell you that a person lives in a community with others of his own kind and simply cannot live like "I want it". Can't you coexist with your own kind? This is your problem, not your credo
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    4. DS22
      DS22 12 January 2014 09: 30
      +9
      Why are you surprised? The robbery of civilians and looting in the occupied territories is a feature of any army until the command of tough measures suppresses this!
    5. dark_65
      dark_65 12 January 2014 10: 31
      +16
      I also had a great-grandmother in the Voronezh region, complaining about the Italians to the Germans, they devoured the cow. They also beat them, BUT, then the Germans brought them to our land.
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 12 January 2014 11: 34
        +22
        Quote: dark_65
        ... the Germans complained about the Italians; they gobbled up the cow. BUT, then the Germans brought them to our land.

        No.
        Specifically for the Italians. Mussolini himself invited Hitler to provide a corps to the eastern front. They very much wanted to own their share in the East. They had views of the Crimea.
        All of them: Hungarians, Italians, Croats, Magyars, Romanians, and others - jackals rode to us behind the main beast.
    6. Basarev
      Basarev 12 January 2014 12: 01
      +3
      Here I am about the same. Germans and Nazis are not synonyms!
    7. Ihrek
      Ihrek 12 January 2014 12: 49
      +12
      Quote: makarov
      But my late great-grandmother, Matrena Prokofievna, was robbed by the retreating Kalmyks.

      No wonder Stalin disbanded Kalmykia, dividing it between neighboring regions, and deported the population. Only with the advent of the jester-fool Khrushev did everything come back. Stalin also had to deal with western Ukraine, although Khrush would have returned everything to its place.
      1. cenych
        cenych 12 January 2014 13: 10
        +2
        But this is not necessary, because you trample the memory of the Kalmyks who fought and died for their homeland, believing that because of individual traitors it is necessary to row everyone. And now you are inciting ethnic hatred, probably for the separation of the Caucasus.
        1. Ihrek
          Ihrek 12 January 2014 19: 41
          +2
          Quote: cenych
          And now you are inciting ethnic hatred, probably for the separation of the Caucasus.

          You were severely mistaken - I always and everywhere uphold the interests of Russia as a single and indivisible. And at the expense of all Kalmyks, I can’t judge - this was more visible to Stalin. I can only say for sure - I have not seen such vile, arrogant and corrupt traffic cops anywhere in Russia. By the way, Kalmykia in my opinion is not included in the North Caucasus. So you made a mistake twice.
          1. dag 05.ru
            dag 05.ru 12 January 2014 20: 06
            +3
            Quote: Jamal
            I can only say for sure - I have not seen such vile, arrogant and corrupt traffic cops anywhere in Russia.
            At the count of traffic cops fully agree. They don’t even watch what you’re driving on a truck. The main thing for them to pay. When you give documents at the post, they turn their nose. All Kalmykia can be passed without showing documents and cargo.
            1. kaktus
              kaktus 12 January 2014 20: 21
              +1
              Terrorist dream am
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      2. morpex
        morpex 12 January 2014 18: 14
        0
        Quote: Jamal
        . Stalin also had to deal with western Ukraine, although Khrush would have returned everything to its place.

        It is not necessary for Stalin to throw delusional advice, because he is STALIN! And you are just a jamal ...
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        2. Ihrek
          Ihrek 12 January 2014 19: 48
          +2
          Quote: morpex
          It is not necessary for Stalin to throw delusional advice, because he is STALIN! And you just - Jamal

          Advice to give Stalin unfortunately late. But it’s definitely not worth giving me soybeans because you are just - Valery. And these maidanut are definitely not enough Stalin.
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    9. cenych
      cenych 12 January 2014 12: 58
      +3
      Heh, etching on nationality, just don’t need to project individual representatives on the whole people
    10. acute
      acute 12 January 2014 14: 41
      +2
      All the same old song about the good Germans, who destroyed 50000000 human lives. Who did you write this for?
      1. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 15: 22
        -16%
        The Stalingrad Front was held mainly by the Spaniards and Italians. The Leningrad blockade was mainly held by the army of Spain, although the Germans also met. The Germans, purely arithmetically, would not be enough for all military operations. Although the idea was Hitler, an Austrian Jew.
        1. morpex
          morpex 12 January 2014 18: 20
          +14
          Quote: 120352
          The Stalingrad Front was held mainly by the Spaniards and Italians. The Leningrad blockade was mainly held by the army of Spain, although the Germans also met. The Germans, purely arithmetically, would not be enough for all military operations. Although the idea was Hitler, an Austrian Jew.

          I apologize of course ... And let me ask? For what, or by whose teaching materials did you study the history of the Second World War?
          1. Egen
            Egen 13 January 2014 05: 49
            +1
            Quote: morpex
            I apologize of course ... And let me ask? For what, or for whose teaching aids you studied the history of the Second World War

            Valery hi for the sake of justice, the Italians really partially held the Stalingrad Front, it was later renamed after the August bombing of the city and access to the Volga :)
            Quote: morpex
            The Germans, purely arithmetically, would not be enough for all military operations.

            and this is also true :)
            Quote: morpex
            army of Spain

            Well, this ... no comment :))
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        2. Ingvar51
          Ingvar51 12 January 2014 20: 34
          +7
          Franco bought off Hitler by sending the Blue Division the combat value of which was insignificant. In Stalingrad, Italians and Romanians were only on the flanks. Dityatko do not disgrace, learn history
        3. Ingvar51
          Ingvar51 12 January 2014 20: 34
          0
          Franco bought off Hitler by sending the Blue Division the combat value of which was insignificant. In Stalingrad, Italians and Romanians were only on the flanks. Dityatko do not disgrace, learn history
        4. dark_65
          dark_65 12 January 2014 22: 19
          +2
          sherry with them. with textbooks ... but take the trouble to at least read the history of the war (4 volumes) ashamed.
        5. Sasha1979
          Sasha1979 13 January 2014 01: 45
          0
          Would read about the war at least something ...
    11. syntanjey
      syntanjey 12 January 2014 15: 53
      +1
      Comrade, were these Kalmyks in the service of the German army?
  2. Elm
    Elm 11 January 2014 21: 48
    +10
    For a long time they would have dispersed moydanututnyh, adequate people in Kiev, because more!
    1. domokl
      domokl 12 January 2014 07: 24
      +17
      Why? To give extra points to the Euromaidan? They already don’t know what to do ... Won the former Interior Ministry under the batons of Berkut on January 1 ... Obvious provocation, but they tried to raise the wave ... Let the tranches eat up ... Kievans are already used to to these clowns ... Well, how to a garbage dump .. Not nice, but .. they still are))))
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 January 2014 08: 22
        +16
        Quote: domokl
        .. Won the former Interior Ministry under the batons of Berkut on January 1

        Or maybe one of his own fucked up, a good sacrifice for scandal. But even if Berkut, my opinion, they gave him little.
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 12 January 2014 13: 17
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: domokl
          .. Won the former Interior Ministry under the batons of Berkut on January 1

          Or maybe one of his own fucked up, a good sacrifice for scandal. But even if Berkut, my opinion, they gave him little.

          Greetings Alexander. They wanted to do this "the sacred sacrifice of the revolution," but they missed a bit, or Lutsenko was stupid without brains, or Klitschko was not invited. laughing
        2. ImPerts
          ImPerts 12 January 2014 15: 14
          +2
          The guys recouped from old memory. We recalled the ex-head of his antics and from the heart wassat
          Before you substitute your head with the requirements of justice, you need to remember, but didn’t they poke their faces in the mud at the time? Didn’t he publicly build constructions ... And so on and so forth love
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 12 January 2014 12: 21
        +2
        Yes, beat this svobodovskoy scum to pig squeal.
    2. nnz226
      nnz226 12 January 2014 14: 03
      0
      Judging by interviews (independent media outlets), these "adequate" MayDowns support and feed!
    3. mrFix
      mrFix 12 January 2014 17: 40
      +1
      That's for sure. Read what mu..k Klitschko declares http://ruskline.ru/news_rl/2014/01/11/eto_pakostnaya_zlostnaya_kleveta_na_vseh_k
      to_borolsya_protiv_fashizma /
  3. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 12 January 2014 06: 51
    +5
    Koresh lives in Kiev. At Chekistov. A Ukrainian is clean. They served together for 10 years. Today is SBP-U. But he never blamed the Russians.
    1. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 12 January 2014 10: 54
      +27
      Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
      Koresh lives in Kiev. At Chekistov. A Ukrainian is clean. They served together for 10 years. Today is SBP-U. But he never blamed the Russians.

      Probably just a smart person! Here I also have a Ukrainian friend, professional interests often intersect, and also quite sane. But all the same, ordinary people, it should be noted, still rarely listens to all sorts of geeks and garbage! It remains to add -
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 12 January 2014 15: 29
        +6
        Yes, I have to go to Kharkov for 30 minutes. I don’t understand these fag ... at all, just like everyone with whom I wouldn’t communicate in Ukraine. well, they don’t understand them all. These are the things; cattle are cattle.
      2. Simon
        Simon 12 January 2014 22: 05
        +1
        It seems to me that with this picture everything is said correctly. They forgot that the whole of Russia was rebuilding what was destroyed after the war, including Ukraine.
  4. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 12 January 2014 07: 00
    +23
    Any nation needs a historian. pride, an example to follow for posterity. At Bender Bender. He did not defeat anyone. did not save, was not noticed in the nobility. An excellent role model for a "wonderful" ethnic group.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 12 January 2014 07: 23
      +28
      And this is Lviv pogroms - after the Fritz entered LVIV by local nationalists, the lid moved out of permissiveness, in the photo they stripped the girl and scoffed at her.

      I saw this photo back in Soviet times, but at that time, Soviet propaganda, because of international tolerance, did not advertise who killed these people.
      1. Borz
        Borz 12 January 2014 12: 59
        +20
        Collaborators committed atrocities many times more than their masters, apparently out of an irresistible desire to curry favor. Somehow information came to light that when entering Lvov, soldiers and officers of the Wehrmacht were outraged (!) By the actions and methods of the "warriors" from the "Nachtigall" battalion These "heroes" were commanded by SS Hauptsturmfuehrer Shukhevych, who later became a hero of Ukraine. According to eyewitnesses, these scum amused themselves by breaking the heads of civilians with iron rods (fittings, pipe cuttings?) During the raid. And about the Bandera people. A link to the site where photographs were published about the "activities" of Bandera geeks in Poland and Western Ukraine. I could not see and finish reading, I could not stand my nerves. Heroes, damn it, rural teachers and paramedics to hang well cranes and stab children with bayonets .. ...
        1. cenych
          cenych 12 January 2014 13: 12
          +3
          Because they recruited people morally omitted there, of which there is enough among every nation.
        2. avg
          avg 12 January 2014 16: 45
          +3
          Quote: Borz
          Somehow, the information came to my attention that when entering Lvov the soldiers and officers of the Wehrmacht were outraged (!) By the actions and methods of the "warriors" from the "Nachtigall" battalion.

          These were still well-fed and imposing Germans - Aryans who conquered the Gauls and so on. and those who came at the zenith of glory to their future eastern estates. Many of them even then thought that they were bringing true civilization to the barbarian peoples. Moreover, they were accepted in western Ukraine rather hospitablely.
          1. Borz
            Borz 12 January 2014 21: 42
            0
            I agree that at the beginning of the war the Germans who came to our land were “well-fed and imposing.” But then they ended very quickly. Without whitewashing the occupiers, I dare to suggest that not all the soldiers and officers of the Wehrmacht were eager to commit atrocities against the civilian population For this, all sorts of geeks of other nationalities have always been at hand (I will not list, everyone knows them). As for Bandera and Shukhevych, I personally even spit laziness on their graves, because they are unworthy even of that.
    2. domokl
      domokl 12 January 2014 07: 27
      +8
      Quote: FC Skif
      An excellent role model for a "wonderful" ethnic group.

      What ethnic group? Why offend? So far, there is no single nation. There are two, even three completely different in culture, roots and way of thinking groups. Those whom you speak about have always been and probably will be pans ... They are not mixed with Russians but with the Poles ...
      1. dark_65
        dark_65 12 January 2014 10: 34
        +5
        they are not gentlemen, they are claps in life ..
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    4. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 12 January 2014 08: 28
      +20
      Quote: FC Skif
      Any nation needs a historian. pride, an example to follow for posterity. At Bender Bender. He did not defeat anyone. did not save, was not noticed in the nobility. An excellent role model for a "wonderful" ethnic group.

      For Ukrainian nationalists, an ideal role model is a mad dog, she has more intelligence, nobility and kindness than a million Banderas, millers, Shukhevychs and other "heroes".
      Ukrainian nationalists are not a nation, they are geeks, scum, shame of Ukraine.
      1. makarov
        makarov 12 January 2014 11: 11
        -17%
        Unfortunately, you have not gone far from them, you just skimp on disguise and words hiding under a nickname, and rot rushing out anyway !!!
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        2. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 12 January 2014 11: 38
          +23
          Quote: makarov
          Unfortunately, you have not gone far from them, you just skimp on disguise and words hiding under a nickname, and rot rushing out anyway !!!

          I do not need to disguise, I do not lick the anus of the descendants of the Nazis and their marginal lackeys.
          My old friend lives near Lutsk, with whom we became friends "across the river". He was left an orphan at the age of 3; the Bandera supporters massacred his family in 1955 only because his father fought against the Nazis in the Red Army. He accidentally survived, his father pushed him out the window and he hid in the garden.
          Not a single Ukrainian nationalist deserves the title of a man; these are not people, undead, remnants of the bestial past, who have neither intelligence, honor, nor conscience.
          1. Ptah
            Ptah 12 January 2014 12: 01
            +1
            Quote: Corsair5912
            I do not lick the anus of the descendants of the Nazis and their marginal lackeys.

            If for you there is no difference between the "descendants of the Hitlerites" (who do you think they are and how they are personally to blame for you), the "outskirts of the lackeys" and the Germans, then I advise you at least to tie it up.
            Not knowing you absolutely, but knowing you well modern GermansI’ll say that in many things an example should be taken from them, and not from you.
            Quote: Corsair5912
            Not a single Ukrainian nationalist deserves the title of a man; these are not people, undead, remnants of the bestial past, who have neither intelligence, honor, nor conscience.

            Then what have the Germans got to do with it? One leaky Guido-"Valley" came to his colleagues to exchange experience in the field of anus countersinking, so the Germans do not know about this ...
            1. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 12 January 2014 13: 05
              +5
              Quote: Ptah
              If for you there is no difference between the "descendants of the Hitlerites" (who do you think they are and how they are personally to blame for you), "Outskirts lackeys" and the Germans, then I advise you at least to tie it up. Not knowing you absolutely, but knowing well the modern Germans, I will say that in many things the example should be taken from them, and not from you.

              The descendants of the Nazis are not necessarily Germans, they are among Ukrainians, Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Estonians, Latvians, Russians, Tatars, Kalmyks, Chechens, etc.
              All who worship the dead Fuhrer and his lackeys are descendants of the Nazis.
              And more polite, without monkey rudeness.
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 12 January 2014 17: 01
                -2
                Quote: Corsair5912
                The descendants of the Nazis are not necessarily Germans, they are among Ukrainians, Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Estonians, Latvians, Russians, Tatars, Kalmyks, Chechens, etc.

                I would say that "though descendants the Nazis mostly live on the territory of Germashki, but this is, first of all, the GERMANS, and not the Hitlerites. I like your understanding and sharing of these concepts as Hitler Nazism и GERMAN NATIONALISM, (proposing to return to Kinder, Küche, Kirche), which has been destroyed for 50 years. However, now in Russia.
                And in the countries listed by you live the MIND MIND FOLLOW-UP and the UNAWFUL IMITTERS of HITERISM.
                Not even seeing the difference between National Socialism and racial Nazism.
                Quote: Corsair5912
                All who worship the dead Fuhrer and his lackeys ...

                ... not much different from worshiping a dead Lenin-blank. In terms of hatred of everything Russian for the sake of the abominable internationalism-multiculturalism.
                Well, and already "more polite, without monkey rudeness", I repeat - "Not knowing you, but I know modern Germans well."
                It's just that I am 1/4 German and in a few days there will be a "five-year plan" as I have Bundas's "Reisepass" ... hi

                The photo shows a modern BW. In his usual almost "field-school". And someone already imagined fireplaces. Not for me...
                1. Corsair5912
                  Corsair5912 12 January 2014 17: 17
                  +3
                  Quote: Ptah
                  in the countries you have listed are the MIND-MIND FOLLOW-UP and the UNABID IMITTERS of HITERISM. Even not seeing the difference between National Socialism and racial Nazism.
                  not much different from worshiping a dead Lenin-blank. In terms of hatred of everything Russian for the sake of the abominable internationalism-multiculturalism.
                  It's just that I am 1/4 German and in a few days there will be a "five-year plan" as I have Bundas's "Reisepass" ...

                  Only the poor mind divide people into superior and inferior races, no matter who they imitate, the Aryan Fuhrer or the Negro president of an "exclusive country".
                  You insult Lenin completely in vain, he was never a Russophobe, and his achievements in liberating humanity from class, racial, national, social and other discriminatory prejudices are enormous.
                  I have nothing against the Germans; at the University of 4 of the year I lived in a hostel in the same room as the German, the son of a former prisoner of war. They lived together.
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                3. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 12 January 2014 22: 55
                  -1
                  Quote: Ptah
                  ... not much different from worshiping a dead Lenin-blank

                  Want to talk about bone worship? smile
                  1. Ptah
                    Ptah 12 January 2014 23: 48
                    0
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Want to talk about ...

                    No, Yarosvet. I don’t want to talk, let alone write, I don’t want to talk about anything today ... hi
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    bone worship?

                    Whose? If you are talking about the "bones" of Kagtav Lenin-blank, then they are not there, but there is a half-rotten semi-celluloid peel with a plastic mug-mask.
                    I'd like to spit on it, but I am a supporter of packing it in a parcel and sending it from Russia to all known parties. T.S. otvetochka to the one who sent this trash to Russia ...
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 13 January 2014 10: 49
                      0
                      Quote: Ptah
                      If you are talking about the "bones" of the Kagtav Lenin-blank, then they are not there, but there is a half-rotten semi-celluloid peel with a plastic mug-mask
                      Otkel you know - they said by the box?

                      By the way - this "peel" is as poor as it is, but it is below ground level, it does not roll around the country in the form of a dismemberment, and it is not issued as a miracle after stuffing papier mache.

                      Quote: Ptah
                      I really want to
                      but I'm a supporter of that
                      How should it be for you ... laughing

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            3. VOLCHOXURAL
              VOLCHOXURAL 12 January 2014 14: 01
              +6
              Quote: Ptah

              Not knowing you absolutely, but knowing you well modern GermansI’ll say that in many things an example should be taken from them, and not from you.

              This is what we need to take an example from them ??? request In moral and moral licentiousness: homosexual and other LGBT, or maybe in bestiality (they are trying to legalize now) or pedophilia?
              Where do they have exemplary achievements? The economy and industry, after the war, they were pulled by the ears of the Americans (huge, gratuitous subsidies and political support in everything) in order to counterbalance the Eastern bloc! To create the ostentatious prosperity of capitalism! As politicians are dryly expressed about it - the creation of "showcase" states. Just like Japan and South Korea yes All that they managed to do was show off, or rather, taking advantage of all those benefits, only created a halo of a successful industrial and economic nation! And nothing more. And do not bring what is not there. Someone will say this hour - well, for example, they have some advanced cars. I will reveal a secret to a car mechanic - all the comfort, all indicators are achieved by overly moistening the design! Which is just not praise for the engineer, but rather the opposite! (Any mechanic knows this) Cars are certainly not bad, but technologically nothing more advanced than the rest!
              1. Ptah
                Ptah 12 January 2014 17: 23
                +3
                Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
                This is what we need to take an example from them ???

                What you listed below is not GERMANY!
                This is an abomination imposed from the outside, designed to completely decompose the once great nation into a rabble, plowing each other in all holes, scum of humanity. This is noticeable only in big cities, in small towns and villages it is not and will not appear for a long time, if the government, with the disgusted by all "Angelka", does not begin to adopt batches of laws that condone the spread of sodomy.
                Here, for example, the "official form" adopted for the Lambia team.

                11


                There were many sayings that it’s not only to dress - to look disgusting. Where are the national colors? They are no longer there, there was a CABIN. However, there is similarity with Russia ... Alas ....
                Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
                The economy and industry, after the war, they pulled the ears of Americans

                After you uttered the "magic word", I am ready to look for links to documents confirming that the allies have taken out / attention / HALF THOUSAND TONS (!!!) of TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION. What does this tell you as an engineer? Only that, for example, in the field of chemistry, on the German tech. patents, the Americans would get ahead of 10-15 years if they themselves would be kolupal. Also in other areas ...
                However, I have no time - look for yourself. hi
                Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
                Someone will say this hour - well, for example, they have some advanced cars.
                I don’t want to talk about further. it is not interesting to me.
                But I myself drive a German car, my wife bought herself a "Jap" in Germany. Now we are looking at the Swedish car industry.
                It tastes like net color. As they say in Moscow .... laughing

                And what to take an example?
                Yes, so that we and they, and better together, would shoot just like that.

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                1. morpex
                  morpex 12 January 2014 18: 47
                  0
                  Quote: Ptah
                  What you listed below is not GERMANY!

                  Do not be offended by him! It's just in our blood, to take as an example all the worst and not the best laughing Yes, and they’re zombifying that Europe is completely homosexuals, drug addicts, fascists and all Russian hating ... It’s strange how much I haven’t been there, I haven’t seen anything like it. And normal people in Europe are normal to normal people from Russia. Everything else it’s from the evil one ... But there are enough freaks in Russia, Ukraine and Europe. How can a family live without them? wassat
                2. VOLCHOXURAL
                  VOLCHOXURAL 12 January 2014 20: 29
                  -2
                  Quote: Ptah
                  / attention / FOLLOWING THOUSAND TONS (!!!) OF TECHNICAL DOCUMENTATION.

                  Nachagooo ... myself ... belay !!! Probably overcame! wassat And like the Americans overnight mastered and implemented all this documentation? Then to break out? what
                  for example, in the field of chemistry, on German tech. Americans patched 10-15 years ahead

                  Sorry, but how is this measured? Do any units exist? I do not know such!

                  Dear Ptah (I don’t know your name), but about the technology, you excuse me, but you froze garbage !!! Thousand tons fellow I, a technically educated person, I can’t even imagine how long it may take to master such a volume of technical documentation! So that later it will break out for 10-15 years. laughing
                  1. Ptah
                    Ptah 12 January 2014 23: 41
                    0
                    Quote: VOLCHONOKSURALA
                    And like the Americans overnight mastered and implemented all this documentation?
                    Then to break out?
                    Sorry, but how is this measured?
                    Do any units exist?

                    Too many questions at once.
                    Read, check, I understand your question marks (???), and I support exclamation (!!!) marks.

                    A little lower post from Denis Elfimov 16 Dec 2013 in 17: 58
                    Title - WHAT THE WINNERS GOT. The economy of German intellectual achievement.

                    vk.com/timeacademy

                    A few quotes from there-
                    The results of research in industry and in all public and even private research institutions were withdrawn from their owners and were calculated not by the number of pages, but by the number of tons. As claimed by the American Central Research Station Wright Field (Ohio), “by far the most significant collection of classified scientific documents” with a total weight of 1,5 thousand tons was exported from Germany Having done an analysis of all the captured materials and having implemented many of the ideas contained in them, American experts, by their own admission, "Advanced American science and technology for years, and in some cases a whole decade ahead".
                    After the war ended, President Truman ordered the publication of confiscated patents (364 thousand) and other captured documents. The Library of Congress in Washington began to publish a bibliographic weekly listing declassified military and scientific documents, their summary, the number and cost of copies made from them, etc. These weekly newsletters were sent to 125 libraries in the United States “to make them more accessible for the public. ”
                    American businessmen themselves recognize the great importance of German discoveries and inventions for practical use in industry and technology.

                    “We learned from these priceless secrets how to make the world's best capacitor. Millions of capacitors are used both in radio engineering and in the production of high-frequency equipment ... but this capacitor can withstand almost twice the voltage than our American capacitors. This is a real miracle for our radio technicians. ”
                    "... but The most valuable secrets were obtained by us from the laboratories and factories of the large German chemical concern IG Farbenindustri. Nowhere and never had such a valuable treasure of trade secrets. These secrets relate to the production of liquid and solid fuels, to the metallurgical industry, to the production of synthetic rubber, textiles, chemicals, artificial fabrics, medicines and paints. One American expert in the field of dye production said that German patents contain methods and recipes for 50 thousand types of coloring substances, and most of them are better than ours. We ourselves probably would never have been able to manufacture some of them. The American paint industry has stepped forward at least ten years. ”
          2. makarov
            makarov 12 January 2014 14: 18
            -13%
            In 1943, in the floodplains that were around my city, a parachute landing landed under the leadership of the major NKVD Kirpa to give the partisans organizational support. As a result, the commander Kirpa, together with the commissar, not only surrendered to the Germans, but also, accompanied by Kalmyks, wandered along the floodplains for several days and urged the soldiers to surrender ... 51 paratroopers surrendered to the Kalmyks in Plavni. And commander Kirpa went on to serve in the Vlasov ROA, was the head of counterintelligence. So you there initially decided on the Russian licking anuseniks who killed the Russians for soldering ... and in my area there were no Natsiks like shlvinists, and you have a corsair all the signs are chauvinistic
            1. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 12 January 2014 16: 31
              +6
              Quote: makarov
              In 1943, in the floodplains that were around my city, a parachute landing landed under the leadership of Major NKVD Kirpa to give the partisans organizational support. As a result, commander Kirpa, together with the commissar, not only surrendered to the Germans, but also, accompanied by Kalmyks, wandered along the floodplains for several days and urged the soldiers to surrender

              Tell granny tales about the surrendered NKVD paratroopers.
              There were no traitors in the NKVD, they didn’t accept any scum there, and there were no commissioners either.
              On October 9 1942 of the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR “On the establishment of complete unity of command and the abolition of the institute of military commissars in the Red Army”, the institute of commissars was replaced by the institute of deputy commanders for political affairs (political officers).
              31 May 1943 in connection with the abolition of the institute of deputy political officers for company commanders, batteries, squadrons, squadrons, the GlavPU specifically for the Navy issued directive No. 23 which abolished the positions of deputy commanders for the political part of submarines, minesweepers, gunboats, towers of the 1 division BCH-P battleship, battalions BCH-V battleship, BCh-I cruiser, battalions BCH-V cruiser, squadrons, anti-aircraft batteries, 45 and 76-mm batteries, companies, teams and individual platoons ...
              1. romrem
                romrem 12 January 2014 18: 22
                -5
                Are you full or just ok as the NKVD-ist, here they shed a lot of blood to all Soviet peoples
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                2. Corsair5912
                  Corsair5912 12 January 2014 20: 14
                  +4
                  Quote: romrem
                  Are you full or just ok as the NKVD-ist, here they shed a lot of blood to all Soviet peoples

                  You apparently do not know that the NKVD is the People’s Commissariat of Internal Affairs, whose duties included ensuring the rule of law in the country, ensuring the safety of citizens, stopping banditry, terrorism, robbery, theft and other crimes, detaining criminals and transferring them to court.
                  The NKVD did not pronounce sentences, did not engage in reprisals, and did not shed any blood, except for the blood of armed bandits who were actively resisting.
                  Less need to believe stupid movies, the works of liberals and unfinished bandits and murderers.
              2. morpex
                morpex 12 January 2014 19: 05
                +1
                Quote: Corsair5912
                Tell granny tales about the surrendered NKVD paratroopers.

                Does this tell grandma too? Muravyov Battalion
                Combat Union of Russian Nationalists
                Brotherhood of Russian Truth
                Higher German school for Russian officers
                Division Russia also - Russland Division
                Volunteer SS regiment "Varyag"
                Green Special Forces
                Cossack Stan
                Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (CONR)
                Lokot Republic
                People's Socialist Party
                Labor Union of Russian Solidarists
                Zeppelin Organization
                Republic of Zueva
                RONA
                ROA
                Russian civilian auxiliary police, Sevastopol
                Russian building
                Russian detachment of the 9th Wehrmacht Army
                Russian National Labor Party
                Russian fascist party
                Khivi
                Russian auxiliary police (schutzmannschaft)
                15-th Cossack Cavalry Corps SS
                The 1-th Russian national SS brigade "Druzhina", also known as the 1-th Russian national SS detachment
                29-I Grenadier Division of the SS (Russian Nr.1)
                30-I Grenadier Division of the SS (2-I Russian)
                Air Force KONR (Air Force ROA)
                1-I division ROA / VS KONR (600-infantry division of the Wehrmacht)
                2-I division ROA / VS CONR (650-I infantry division)
                600-I Russian division of the Wehrmacht
                602th East Battalion
                645-th Battalion
                ROND / RNSD
                Asano Brigade - Russian units of the Kwantung Army
                Guard of the Russian fascist party
                Corps of the Russian Monarchist Party
                Are they better than Bandera? Why are you Russians constantly poking our noses into this shit called Bandera? You yourself will have a hundred times more such rabble! But I am a simple Ukrainian never identify these traitors to the Motherland with the entire Great Russian People! Unlike some comments here on this article. ? Have the FAS teams in Ukraine been canceled yet? Although they should already. I look at the two main points .... and Kiselev and Dorenko have already covered up their hails ...
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                2. Corsair5912
                  Corsair5912 12 January 2014 20: 34
                  +3
                  Quote: morpex
                  Are they better than Bandera? Why are you Russians constantly poking our noses into this shit called Bandera? You yourself will have a hundred times more such rabble! But I am a simple Ukrainian never identify these traitors to the Motherland with the entire Great Russian People! Unlike some comments here on this article. ? Have the FAS teams in Ukraine been canceled yet? Although they should already. I look at the two main points .... and Kiselev and Dorenko have already covered up their hails ...

                  And why did you post all these names? Most of these armies, divisions and battalions in reality are just small gangs, punishers, bandits and traitors, consisting of white emigrants and other scum of many nationalities, including the vast majority of Western Ukrainians.
                  Vlasov could not form even 2 divisions during the whole war. All these cowardly German lackeys in the aggregate did not even cost the 1 Red Army division. Yes, do not give a damn about them, the war ended, they laid down their arms and were punished.
                  The OUN and the UPA were famous not for fighting at the front, but as punishers during the war, irrational bestial anger, monstrous crimes against the peaceful Ukrainian people after the war, meanness and a complete lack of intelligence, conscience and morality.
                  At its core, these are punishers, cowardly killers of civilians in the back.
                  In all their actions there is no sense, they could not defeat the USSR, the cockroach could not compete with the asphalt rink.
                  So why did they cause so much grief to the Ukrainian people?
                  Why do their infamous descendants staged fascist demonstrations, under the flags of the filthy 3 Reich and the damned traitors Bander and millers?
                  These villains will not give anything but grief and misfortune to the people of Ukraine.
                  1. morpex
                    morpex 12 January 2014 20: 58
                    +5
                    Quote: Corsair5912
                    And why did you post all these names

                    Fair? I didn't want to offend anyone. I just wanted to show that there is enough shit everywhere. Just recently, the word "Bandera" has become synonymous with the word ukrainets. And largely thanks to your media. Now, please tell me, is it not through their mouths that the Tyagnybykovites are doing PR? And generally speaking . But was there ever a real discussion here without slops in the direction of Ukraine about the emergence of this Bandera? We have a common history. The history of the USSR. After all, it's not a secret for anyone that they met the Red Army in 1938 with flowers and faith in the best. What happened then? Why are they silent about this? Are the Ukrainians themselves to blame for the emergence of such a confrontation? What in reality turned people against the Soviet regime in such a short period? I know the answers to these questions. Yes, and you do, I think too. To post these answers here means to receive a portion of insults in return. Whoever is interested will find everything by google.
                    Seven percent of the population who voted for "Freedom" is a drop in the remaining 93%. It is not necessary to make Ukraine a fiend of fascism and other evil ..
                    We ourselves understand (even to the slow-witted Klichka these things came down, dissociated himself and condemned the torchbearers) that resuscitation of Nazism in any form does not bring us anything good ...
                    1. morpex
                      morpex 12 January 2014 21: 14
                      0
                      Quote: morpex
                      Why do their infamous descendants staged fascist demonstrations,

                      Go to this address and see how the Red Army soldiers are honored in Ukraine. And what is our real attitude to these bastards of Bandera and the Red Army.
                      http://www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic714534.html
                    2. Corsair5912
                      Corsair5912 12 January 2014 22: 18
                      +2
                      Quote: morpex
                      It's just that recently the word "Bandera" has become a synonym for the word ukrainets.I largely thanks to your media. Please, tell me, is it not through their lips that PR Tyagnybykov is doing? And generally speaking . But was there ever a real discussion here without slops in the direction of Ukraine about the emergence of this Bandera? We have a common history. The history of the USSR. After all, it's not a secret for anyone that they greeted the Red Army in 1938 with flowers and faith in the best. What happened then? Why are they silent about this? Are the Ukrainians themselves to blame for the emergence of such a confrontation? What in reality turned people against the Soviet regime in such a short period? I know the answers to these questions. Yes, and I think you too. To post these answers here means to receive a portion of insults in return. Whoever is interested will find everything by himself.

                      And you, Valery, do not take abuse at the nationalists of Bandera at your own expense. You, as I think, do not rule Ukraine.
                      Russia will never look indifferent at Ukrainian events, for us Ukrainians are not a stranger to us, and we do not want to see Ukrainian nationalists damned by history.
                      We know that most Ukrainians are also against the revival and glorification of Nazism. Many Russians in Ukraine have friends and relatives, and we do not want for them the grief and troubles that are inevitable under the rule of the Neo-Bandera people.
                      1. morpex
                        morpex 12 January 2014 23: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Corsair5912
                        And you, Valery, do not take abuse at the nationalists of Bandera at your own expense. You, as I think, do not rule Ukraine.

                        Yes, I don’t rule. But this is my Motherland. I live here. My relatives and children and grandchildren are buried here. And I don’t want to. so that someone would divide the Ukrainians into good and bad only because a handful of Nazi youths are doing indecency. And you are served this in Russia as if the Fourth Reich is already here ..

                        Quote: Corsair5912
                        Russia will never look indifferent at Ukrainian events,

                        I am glad about this. Only learn to serve and speak truthfully about events.
                        The rest I agree ..
                      2. Ptah
                        Ptah 13 January 2014 00: 07
                        0
                        Quote: morpex
                        And I do not want to . so that someone would divide the Ukrainians into good and bad only because a handful of Nazi youths are doing indecency. And you are served this in Russia as if the Fourth Reich is already here.

                        Valera. About Russia it is beneficial for some to say that "IV Reich" will begin here literally tomorrow.
                        These are the same prospects that open up against the backdrop of the struggle against Russian fascism and rejection of the ideas of tolerance.

                        For such "spicial photo" let them be afraid if there is something. The Russians are not afraid of this - and they have not seen this.

                        Motorized rifle troops at the celebration of the 50 anniversary. 12 November 2005


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                        On the left (did not get into the frame) is my second cousin.
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              4. Oh no no no
                Oh no no no 13 January 2014 02: 22
                +3
                General Vlasov with headquarters.
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      2. Simon
        Simon 12 January 2014 22: 11
        +1
        Well, why are you insulting a person! So he correctly said and hit the mark.
    5. nnz226
      nnz226 12 January 2014 14: 08
      +7
      Why then do normal Ukrainians suffer this shame ??? Why the authorities will not announce publicly that these UPAists, OUN members and other scum are not heroes in the fight for freedom, but they are scum and Nazi minions ??? and their worship to prosecute as propaganda of fascism ??? Weak? So - one lousy sheep - spoils the whole herd! So, the phrases about Ukrainians - traitors and geeks - are true! Since Ukrainians do not want to expel a black sheep from themselves!
      1. makarov
        makarov 12 January 2014 15: 23
        +3
        And how normal residents of the Russian Federation endured the drunk and the traitor of the president’s people, and Berezovsky, Gaidarov, Red-haired won’t still be bared !!! Who and when asked the PEOPLE ?????
    6. morpex
      morpex 12 January 2014 18: 33
      0
      Quote: Corsair5912
      Ukrainian nationalists are not a nation, they are geeks, scum, shame of Ukraine.

      But tell me, are Russian nationalists white and fluffy?
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 12 January 2014 19: 22
        +1
        Quote: morpex
        But tell me, are Russian nationalists white and fluffy?

        Tell me, what did they do?
        1. morpex
          morpex 12 January 2014 20: 15
          -2
          Quote: shuhartred
          Tell me, what did they do?

          What? Will we wait until done?
          1. shuhartred
            shuhartred 12 January 2014 23: 59
            +2
            Quote: morpex
            What? Will we wait until done?

            That is, immediately, indiscriminately, all to the nail? Judging by business is necessary, not by thought. The fact that Russian nationalism raises its head is a direct consequence of Ukrainian, Baltic, Caucasian and other nationalisms. And by the way, how will you define them? I mean Russian nationalists.
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      3. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 12 January 2014 20: 41
        +2
        Quote: morpex
        But tell me, are Russian nationalists white and fluffy?

        Russian nationalists are also scum, capable of only beating a small Uzbek girl in a crowd.
        Unlike Ukrainian nationalists, they don’t have such a rich criminal past and no one supports them in Russia, and if they decide to rock the boat, they’ll immediately get into the snout.
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 13 January 2014 00: 04
          +1
          Quote: Corsair5912
          Quote: morpex
          But tell me, are Russian nationalists white and fluffy?

          Russian nationalists are also scum, capable of only beating a small Uzbek girl in a crowd.
          Unlike Ukrainian nationalists, they don’t have such a rich criminal past and no one supports them in Russia, and if they decide to rock the boat, they’ll immediately get into the snout.

          You are not confusing them with skinheads? I can also call myself a Russian nationalist, but that does not mean that I am against other nations, it means that I am for the Russians
          1. morpex
            morpex 13 January 2014 01: 16
            +3
            Quote: shuhartred
            You are not confusing them with skinheads? I can also call myself a Russian nationalist, but that does not mean that I am against other nations, it means that I am for the Russians

            Do you know what is the difference between us? I welcome your position and in no way put you on a par with the skins. But if I start to say that I am a Ukrainian nationalist, that I am not against other nations, that I will immediately be credited for Ukrainians as the maydon Bendera Svidomo in a red zhupan and trousers. wassat Do you catch the point? Russian nationalism is good! Ukrainian is fascism.
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 13 January 2014 01: 36
              +2
              Quote: morpex
              Do you catch the point? Russian nationalism is good! Ukrainian is fascism.
              Any NATIONALISM, if it is reasonably dosed and promotes rapprochement, is good!
              This is my position and you can’t get me out of it!
              And come on, Valera, I will offer t.s. to join forces and proclaim SLAVIC NATIONALISM? At the beginning of Russian, Ukrainians and Belarusians. You look and then the Slovenes, Bulgarians, Serbs will catch up. Also, after all, the bratuhi suffered a lot. Some from the Romans, some from the Ottomans, some from the Albanians ...
              But here it’s not okay ...
              Can you imagine how many screams will rise? Starting from the Jews, well-known lovers of all, first to mix and then play off, to our Muslims who have lived nearby for centuries, but are now being pitted against the "infidels" in every possible way in order to liberate the territory under the slogan of jihad, and then, under the strict guidance of the same New the Khazars will slip into the Middle Ages, where they themselves will engage in self-destruction.
              And the Slavs themselves are far from homogeneous, until they are united by one faith and religion. Otherwise, again disintegration "into tribes" and the same Middle Ages with self-sawing.
              It turns out that one religion (there will simply not be another "ideology" in the 21st century) is a deterrent and uniting factor.
              But here vrazhiny try with might and main .....

              Threat. almost off topic.
              In the women's biathlon following the results of the cup draw, in the top ten teams - five Slavic ones, the rest are presented one at a time.
              Look at the picture on the right. Five countries, active participants in the Second World War, shoot again, but now in circles and in one direction.
              God grant! To keep it that way !!!
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              1. morpex
                morpex 13 January 2014 14: 23
                0
                Quote: Ptah
                And come on, Valera, I will offer t.s. to join forces and proclaim SLAVIC NATIONALISM?

                Good idea! I’ll be all for it. And certainly here in this project God doesn’t need the “chosen ones.” The main reason is that this idea is not proclaimed from above - they rule everywhere. And this idea is like a sickle in one place ...
                1. shuhartred
                  shuhartred 13 January 2014 20: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: morpex
                  Quote: Ptah
                  And come on, Valera, I will offer t.s. to join forces and proclaim SLAVIC NATIONALISM?

                  Good idea! I’ll be all for it. And certainly here in this project God doesn’t need the “chosen ones.” The main reason is that this idea is not proclaimed from above - they rule everywhere. And this idea is like a sickle in one place ...

                  I'm also for. But I will say for the previous comment. You spoke about the Russian perception of the word Ukrainian nationalism. And I'll tell you about the western. So for the whole "enlightened geyropa" a Ukrainian nationalist is a fighter and a hero, and a Russian nationalist is even I don't know what a terrible evil, worse than the prince of darkness a million times. This is also the difference. And so, I also respect your position and do not put you on a par with Benders and other fascist youths. The idea of ​​Slavic nationalism is a plus !!! Only about Bulgarians there are big doubts. Historically.
                  1. morpex
                    morpex 14 January 2014 12: 13
                    0
                    Quote: shuhartred
                    So for the whole "enlightened geyropa" a Ukrainian nationalist is a fighter and a hero, and a Russian nationalist is even I don't know what a terrible evil, worse than the prince of darkness a million times.

                    You know, I have a side opinion of Europeans. I’m more frightened and annoyed by the attitude of Russians towards Ukraine and vice versa, Ukrainians towards Russia. Especially recently.
                    1. shuhartred
                      shuhartred 14 January 2014 16: 08
                      0
                      Quote: morpex
                      You know, I’m on the side of Europeans.

                      Nevertheless, it exists and has to be reckoned with, because the EU is not for you to Zimbabwe.
                      Quote: morpex
                      .I am more frightened and annoying by the attitude of Russians towards Ukraine and vice versa, Ukrainians towards Russia.

                      I have a normal attitude, my father is from Ukraine, my grandmother and grandfather are buried there, my aunt lives, childhood friends. I come to communicate with people, everything is also smooth. In general, you will excuse me, of course, but I just can’t separate Russia from Ukraine, but it doesn’t work. We are one country, one people.
          2. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 13 January 2014 21: 31
            +1
            Quote: shuhartred
            You are not confusing them with skinheads? I can also call myself a Russian nationalist, but that does not mean that I am against other nations, it means that I am for the Russians

            Skinheads are also Nazis, nationalists, what can be confused here?
            That you confuse the patriots with the Nazis, nationalists.
            For the patriot in the first place is not nationality, but the civic position of a person, and the nationalist is fixated on nationality.
            For a nationalist, a coward, a traitor, of the same nationality, seems to be no longer a traitor at all.
            1. shuhartred
              shuhartred 14 January 2014 16: 21
              0
              Quote: Corsair5912
              Skinheads are also Nazis, nationalists, what can be confused here?

              You can argue for a long time, but for me it's not the same thing. Skins are just gangsters with wild porridge from Nazi ideas in the head, or even without a head. The Nazis claim the superiority of one nation over all others. Nationalists appear when nations are threatened with destruction, which does not prevent them from being patriots. I am a patriot of Russia, but I am against Russia entirely inhabited by Tajiks, Uzbeks, Caucasians, Armenians, etc.
              Quote: Corsair5912
              For a nationalist, a coward, a traitor, of the same nationality, seems to be no longer a traitor at all.

              Your untruth, no one, anywhere and never respects cowards and traitors in any historical period and in any state. Moreover, even their enemies do not respect them and strive to get rid of them as soon as possible.
  5. abdrah
    abdrah 12 January 2014 17: 18
    +20
    A worthy monument to the worthy leader of the Ukrainian people! -
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 13 January 2014 01: 47
      +1
      Quote: abdrah
      worthy monument!

      It will symbolize (among other things) "the flexibility of Ukrainian policy in dealing with issues of accession to the EU." laughing
      Let them pose. I am for! Everyone sees the meaning in his own way good
      Very tolerant sculpture. Here, even forever and all extinguished pedirasts will find commonality with their ideas.

      Threat. And you can also use as a piggy bank ... what
  • valokordin
    valokordin 12 January 2014 07: 05
    +28
    Destroy Bandera in Zarodysh, it is worth making claims to the NKVD and the Ministry of State Security of the USSR that they did not uproot this infection radically.
    1. makarov
      makarov 12 January 2014 16: 51
      +1
      So what's the question ??? Take a train or plane, and go destroy anyone you want. What empty empty to drive ?? In words, however, you are so powerful. show me the thing .....
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 12 January 2014 19: 25
        0
        Quote: makarov
        So what's the question ??? Take a train or plane, and go destroy anyone you want. What empty empty to drive ?? In words, however, you are so powerful. show me the thing .....

        Well, show it here. Then the whole NATA will go to war with us and squeal and scream to heaven, God forbid, you touch at least one finger. Yes, what am I telling you, you yourself perfectly understand everything.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 12 January 2014 07: 05
    +34
    This Galician met the Fritz parish so much, he kicks the Jew in joy.

    The Maidan people in KIEV in their cave psychology DO NOT DIFFER FROM IT.
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      1. Same lech
        Same lech 12 January 2014 08: 27
        +34
        Distressed Christian, dear.
        Further, these same Galicians - arranged a hunt for the families of the RED ARMY military personnel (where there were mainly Russian women and children - scoffed and killed them as Jews), killed the retreating Red Army men, cleaned up and killed anyone who was suspected of working with the SOVIET AUTHORITY.
        A lot of innocent people suffered.
        I understand you can not like Jews, but to kill women and children is already a disgusting CRIME.

        And GALICHEN did not disdain such things for a long, then terrible time.
        1. Christian
          Christian 12 January 2014 15: 09
          +7
          This comment of mine refers only to this photo, not to the article. According to the article, there can’t be any talk - Bandera is the result of 100 years of reprogramming the West Ukrainian population by Austro-Hungarian and German. ..on the!
      2. calocha
        calocha 12 January 2014 09: 27
        +7
        But is it Svanidze ?!
      3. Humpty
        Humpty 12 January 2014 09: 40
        +24
        Christian.

        This well-known caricature is dedicated to a completely different topic. It has nothing to do with zapadentsev. This caricature was drawn in connection with the facts of mass betrayal and espionage by Jews in favor of Germany and Austria-Hungary in World War I in the frontline territories. This topic is not being discussed now.
  • domokl
    domokl 12 January 2014 07: 21
    +29
    Horses mixed up in a heap, people .. And according to the article, the first thing. In my family, my grandfather commanded a partisan detachment in Belarus. My father was closed three times in the village council (that’s how Bandera’s civilians were burned then.
    So grandfather and father treated the Wehrmacht soldiers quite normally. The same men and boys even fed them. But the Bandera and Gestapo men even aroused hatred in my grandfather in the 70s. This attitude remained with me and my son ... Genetic memory probably ...
    And about the fact that Europe supports the fascists. There are pigs everywhere. And the majority in politics. We often cite the words that there are no friends in politics ... Now the task of Europeans is to tear Ukraine away from Russia. And for this task at least with aliens or evil spirits you can conclude a contract.
    Another thing is important, it is important that Ukrainians understand who is who ...
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 12 January 2014 09: 30
      +5
      Quote: domokl
      .. But Bandera and the Gestapo even aroused hatred in my grandfather in the 70s ....

      Strictly speaking, there were no Gestapo structural divisions in the occupied territories.
      The SD and the security police worked in the far rear, the feljandarmeria and the field police in the near rear.
      It is the latter that are "marked" in the memory of our population very strongly.
      In relation to the local population of ordinary warriors, too, not everything is smooth. As a rule, in most memoirs it is noted that the combat composition of formations and units was, on the whole, normal. But the rear officials, yes, they loved to show who was the new "boss" on our land.
  • Magadan
    Magadan 12 January 2014 07: 31
    +31
    Galicia is a hotbed of all this Nazi-fascist evil. And now this evil spirits also acquired a blue tint. It is precisely said that when the Lord wants to punish someone, he destroys his mind. Klitschko fototy in a magazine for the blue. This Euroassociation spells out obligations for Ukraine to organize gay parades and legalize gay marriages. At the Kiev forums I ask directly: guys, well, if Europe just wants economic cooperation, then why the hell do they put political demands on you? What does the economy and Julia have to do with it? Or especially gay parades? How can the Maydan conscience have enough to say what kind of independent Ukraine they are?
    Correctly, the author wrote-Maydanutye see Ukraine COLONY!
    Well, what else to take from the Galicians? From the end of the 14th century, they are under the Poles, then under the Austrians. And unlike the same Cossacks, they didn’t even try with the invaders
    butt. Therefore, their understanding of the word "freedom" is to return back under the control of the Poles or Austrians and drag the whole of Ukraine with them.
    1. 120352
      120352 12 January 2014 15: 43
      0
      It seems to me, gentlemen, if we were to build a training ground in Galicia for testing some particularly effective weapons, a double task would be solved: new types of weapons were tested + the sources of human scum were destroyed.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 12 January 2014 07: 37
    +10
    The film "Our Mothers, Our Fathers" is a Nazi and ... Zionist propaganda campaign. The entire film is saturated with hatred of the Russian people. In the first days of the war, it happened that our troops had already left the city, but the Germans entered a few days later. The Balts and Westerners immediately staged monstrous Jewish pogroms. How many Jews were killed by local Nazis in the first days of the war is not known exactly, probably thousands.
    It came to the point that the Fritz stopped the killing of Jews and pogroms.
    1. Osyris
      Osyris 12 January 2014 15: 09
      -17%
      In the 39th year, the Nazis and the Soviets divided Western Ukraine among themselves, arranged a joint parade (friends). People were elevated to Siberia, Kazakhstan and more. And how many God knows, both children and the elderly were killed. From the 39th to The 41st was how many deaths, they didn’t count? And when the Germans began to bomb, the Union crap. I understand these nationalists, they fought for their murdered relatives, for their land. . In Russia, several more orders of magnitude more fought against the Union. You know the story, you just don’t want to be aware of it.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 12 January 2014 15: 21
        +7
        Osyris
        In the 39 year, the Nazis and the Soviets divided Western Ukraine among themselves,joint parade


        That's great. I propose to consider this pact a criminal conspiracy, to condemn Russia, as of. the legal successor of the USSR to cancel the contract. As a consequence, to return the lands of Western Ukraine to the "original" owners: Poland, Austria, Romania and Hungary )))

        I have always been surprised by the position of the Ukrainian. Natsik condemn this pact)))
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 12 January 2014 15: 48
          +4
          Moreover, Ukraine voluntarily renounces territories donated by the USSR and its successor hi
        2. shuhartred
          shuhartred 12 January 2014 19: 31
          +2
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Osyris
          In the 39 year, the Nazis and the Soviets divided Western Ukraine among themselves,joint parade


          That's great. I propose to consider this pact a criminal conspiracy, to condemn Russia, as of. the legal successor of the USSR to cancel the contract. As a consequence, to return the lands of Western Ukraine to the "original" owners: Poland, Austria, Romania and Hungary )))

          I have always been surprised by the position of the Ukrainian. Natsik condemn this pact)))

          Yes, let Lithuania return Poland to Vilnius, he is Vilna.
      2. Humpty
        Humpty 12 January 2014 15: 47
        +2
        "Osiris"

        I am not going to discuss everything you have written, I will touch upon the places of settlement. I have not yet seen a Siberian who would complain about the "horrors of Siberia". They were exiled to us in Kyrgyzstan, including the Western Nazis; ironically, some Kyrgyz were exiled to Ukraine for jambs. What was bad in Kyrgyzstan? Excellent climate, beautiful nature, the sky is so high. Kazakhstan is also not offended by the beauty of nature, not by the climate, or anything else.
      3. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 12 January 2014 16: 48
        +5
        Quote: Osyris
        In the 39 year, the Nazis and the Soviets divided Western Ukraine among themselves, organized a joint parade (friends). People were elevated to Siberia, Kazakhstan and more

        You deliberately breach or do not really know the truth.
        The Soviets did not share anything with the Nazis, there was no Western Ukraine, and there was the territory of the Ukrainian SSR occupied by the Poles in 1921.
        Zapadentsy were not free people, but Polish citizens of the 2 variety, almost at the level of cattle. OUN members never were friends with the Poles, but they did not dare to fight for the freedom of western Ukraine. The Poles are not as kind as the Russians.
        No people were evicted anywhere, except for murderers and bandits who tried to fight against the Soviet regime with weapons in their hands.
        Kulachyos, merchants, landowners, Polish legionnaires "siege" were against the Soviets, they did not want to work, and the people did not want to go to laborers anymore. Parasites do not mind at all, do not whine at them.
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      5. Oh no no no
        Oh no no no 13 January 2014 01: 42
        +4
        Monuments of the totalitarian regime in Ukraine:
        1. Egen
          Egen 13 January 2014 07: 13
          +3
          Quote: Ay-yay-yay
          Monuments of the totalitarian regime in Ukraine

          Hmm, but really, if I recall history offhand, the integrity of Ukraine was formed under the influence / with the help of Russia, starting with "forever with the Russian people", continuing with the same Narva (and where without it) and Potemkin and ending with the Polish 39th year.
          It is clear that Mazepa and others like him are interpreted differently, but this is a separate topic, alternatively, for example, "what would happen to Ridna Ukraine if Karl and Mazepa won" :)
          In general, it's somehow ... strange for me to listen to all the talk about Ukrainian nationalism and the speeches of the alleged people. Precisely - strange. Potmow that I do not understand the reasons, let alone the consequences. After 1905, my grandmother moved from Kiev to Siberia, and only my surname is not in "-ko" :) Unfortunately, to the relatives who remained on the "other side", I only traveled to Crimea, which is not the whole of Ukraine. But I do not divide into "Russians" and "Ukrainians". We are all Slavs, for me it is identical - the Rus, the Scythians ... the roots are the same, the mentality is the same. Cossacks - mixed Russians and "Tatars", etc. - where can you find native Russians and Ukrainians now, and what is "native"? All this garbage: (IMHO, the main thing is how you feel, your belonging to a social, ethmo-whatever-group :) My "family" example confirms this.
          Well, people were not fools before, since 360 ​​years ago they invented - "forever with the Russians", so for some reason and for some reason they thought so, but their descendants don’t mind ...
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      7. sds555
        sds555 14 January 2014 02: 54
        0
        OsyrisAt that time, the Poles treated Ukrainians and Belarusians gently speaking as people of the lowest grade, what did you want to do again?! Before you say something, you need to think carefully if this pact would not be Polish slaves, since for Western countries Western Ukraine and Belarus were part of Poland
  • valokordin
    valokordin 12 January 2014 07: 41
    +8
    Quote: Magadan
    independent Ukraine? Correctly the author wrote - maydanutye see Ukraine as a COLONY! Well, what else to take from the Galicians? From the end of the 14th century they were either under the Poles or under the Austrians. And unlike the same Cossacks, they did not even try to butt the occupiers. Therefore, their understanding of the word "freedom" is to return back under the control of the Poles or Austrians and drag the whole of Ukraine with them.

    Now the hero of Ukraine, under the pseudonym "Boxing Champion", says that calling the Great Patriotic War "is incorrect. Well, what in Auschwitz is his overseer-capo, he would have knocked out all the brains of these prisoners, he would have hammered into everyone's head that boxing makes a person free. I will not translate it into German. Let the champion do it.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 12 January 2014 07: 59
      +15
      Quote: valokordin

      Now the hero of Ukraine, under the pseudonym "Boxing Champion", says that calling the Great Patriotic War "is incorrect.


      The Ukrainian media reported that Vitali Klitschko, the leader of the UDAR party, urged Ukrainians to come to terms with the historical past and move to a new level of respect for each other, namely not to use the term "Great Patriotic War". This was reported by REGNUM.
      http://thekievtimes.ua/society/302942-sovetskie-stereotipy-ukraincev-nigde-v-mir
      e-ne-pojmut-klichko.html


      God, what a trash this Great Dumb.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 12 January 2014 08: 03
        +10
        Vitaliy Klichko,
        Well, you see, the genes of the ancestors do not give rest.
        1. 120352
          120352 12 January 2014 15: 50
          +5
          And where is Klitschko in the photo? It seems that in the middle, but I could be wrong ...
      2. Borz
        Borz 12 January 2014 13: 07
        +2
        Klitschko-go home! (Everyone knows where his home is)
      3. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 15: 48
        +1
        Brains completely knocked out! And there was no conscience. And In general, is Klitschko a name or a nickname?
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 12 January 2014 17: 00
          +2
          Quote: 120352
          Brains completely knocked out! And there was no conscience. And In general, is Klitschko a name or a nickname?

          Now this is the diagnosis.
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    2. dark_65
      dark_65 12 January 2014 10: 36
      +11
      Squashy he. with pi-orm handle laughing
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 12 January 2014 16: 58
        +1
        Quote: dark_65
        Squashy he. with pi-orm handle

        Now Klitschko’s place is under the bunks, by the bucket.
        So he and the entire Nazi "opposition" drank, now they are all cocks.
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        2. morpex
          morpex 12 January 2014 21: 40
          0
          Quote: Corsair5912
          Squashy he. with pi-orm handle

          Quote: Corsair5912
          Now Klitschko’s place is under the bunks, by the bucket.


          Did I get there? Is this a military review? Or tilled among themselves tinder? laughing
          1. Corsair5912
            Corsair5912 13 January 2014 21: 36
            0
            Quote: morpex
            Did I get there? Is this a military review? Or tilled among themselves tinder?

            No, this is a medical consultation, according to the mental state of the Klitschko scouts.
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    4. Oh no no no
      Oh no no no 13 January 2014 02: 02
      +2
      Klitschko about the UPA and the Nazis:



      Full Version 12.12.2011/6/4 Interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsdNaXNUMXCgXNUMX-g
      1. Borz
        Borz 13 January 2014 13: 14
        +1
        Do those who rely on this money don’t see what it is? Absolutely incoherent speech, the absence of at least some thought, ignorance of history and its misunderstanding. Klitschko is the leader of a political party and future president ?! Well this is so, in the order of delirium. But alas, today we have this reality.
        1. viper153
          viper153 13 January 2014 17: 09
          +1
          They hit him on the head all his conscious life ... Brains have long been framed ...
    5. viper153
      viper153 13 January 2014 17: 06
      0
      An interesting tandem would be in Ukrainian politics: Klitschko - president, prime minister - Shevchenko (soccer player). With their glory and unpredictability, they would completely overshadow Bush Jr. ...
  • alexng
    alexng 12 January 2014 07: 46
    +16
    Euromaiduns have already discredited themselves so much that there is nowhere else to go. Now their stand still does not mean anything and brings only cons for the organizers. Ignoring this phenomenon, just brings more results than the confrontation. This stagnation of marginals will only result in the fact that the current government will have no rivals at all in the presidential election and the longer they stand there, the fewer their supporters will remain. And those who supported the orange are already completely disappointed, after the latest antics of banderlogs and the burning of the capital. Turned Kiev into the trash. On the right path, go to the trap set by Yanukovych and his team, gentlemen, banderlog.
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 12 January 2014 07: 55
    +1
    Are there many opinions today about Poles and Bandera?
    1. 120352
      120352 12 January 2014 15: 52
      -1
      Decided to step in ?!
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 12 January 2014 08: 39
    +7
    Against the Nazis and nationalists, there is only one reliable means, machine guns. Brown plague is extremely contagious, especially for young people. To youth, Nazism sticks like Mr., but it stinks even worse.
    Klitschko monkeys and banderlogs with fascist flags took to the streets, they must be sprinkled with machine guns, preferably large-caliber. Sentence to them has long been handed down.
  • cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 12 January 2014 08: 49
    +13
    Quote: Hudo
    God, what a trash this Great Dumb.

    Gleb, in the person of Mr. Klitschko, we have a brilliant confirmation of the popular wisdom: - "There is power, - no mind is needed!" ...
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 12 January 2014 10: 48
      +3
      What Klitschko is. He studied at a rural school, in which I dare to assert the level of education left much to be desired. Next is the athlete’s career. How do professional athletes get higher education and academic degrees I think that it is not necessary to explain in detail. In Ukraine, there were not many who taught me another question, since brothers usually lived in Kyrgyzstan and Germany.
      With all due respect to K. Ju, professional boxers always have problems with their heads. They are traumatic.
      In youth, Klitschko did not finish the mind; in adulthood, what was bent off.
      1. morpex
        morpex 12 January 2014 21: 46
        +2
        Quote: Humpty
        . He studied at a rural school, in which I dare to assert the level of education was poor

        I studied in a rural school. Nevertheless, my knowledge was more than enough to enter a university and graduate from it. Unlike many graduates from the city. Where does this attitude to the village come from? Are you one of those who think that people from the village are idiots? fascism.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 13 January 2014 05: 44
          +2
          Quote: morpex
          Quote: Humpty
          . He studied at a rural school, in which I dare to assert the level of education was poor

          I studied in a rural school. Nevertheless, my knowledge was more than enough to enter a university and graduate from it. Unlike many graduates from the city. Where does this attitude to the village come from? Are you one of those who think that people from the village are idiots? fascism.


          Lomonosov was also not from the city, much depends on the person himself. However, the level of teaching in rural and urban schools is usually different. Talents and people without special abilities are everywhere. A negative connotation of the word
          The vocational school-shnik, as a person of "a different kind", always cut my ears.
          A friend of mine, he graduated from two of the most stupid technical schools in the district, then in absentia is not the best university, but he is undoubtedly a gifted person. NTV loves to clog the screen with his films. And I ..., and I ..., graduated from institutes and now I have a lot of "free time" until February.
    2. GOGY
      GOGY 12 January 2014 12: 30
      +2
      This omitted not only mind, but already no honor, and a long time ago conscience
    3. konvalval
      konvalval 12 January 2014 13: 53
      +1
      And what did you want from him. How much he was threshed on a crock. This is how many shakes of the brainless head were. Therefore, he now thinks with his head pi..ra.
  • Cher
    Cher 12 January 2014 08: 50
    +11
    Gay (they are fagots) is a very cunning and disguised PKO, the most dangerous for society and humanity. This path leads to degeneration, in nature only primitive creatures reproduce by budding.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 12 January 2014 08: 53
    +4
    The soldiers of the Wehrmacht were different. They were based on ordinary German guys. Only the ideology of fascism gave all the chances to rise precisely to the thugs that any nation has. And they must be extinguished everywhere.
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    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 12 January 2014 09: 50
      +12
      Quote: shinobi
      The soldiers of the Wehrmacht were different. They were based on ordinary German guys. Only the ideology of fascism gave all the chances to rise precisely to the thugs that any nation has. And they must be extinguished everywhere.

      There were no ordinary guys in the Wehrmacht. Each of Hitler's soldiers believed that after the destruction of the USSR, he would become a landowner, owning land and slaves, everyone was ready to kill the Untermans.
      "On September 23, 1942, at seven o'clock in the evening, a five-ton car with six armed Germans in military uniform arrived at the orphanage yard. The eldest of the group of Germans, Max, explained that the children would be taken to Brest and ordered them to be put in the back of the car. 55 were put in the car. children and teacher Grokholskaya. Shakhmetova Tosya, nine years old, got out of the car and ran away, and all the other 54 children and the teacher were taken in the direction of Dubitsa station, one and a half kilometers from the village of Leplevka. At the border firing point located 800 meters from the river Zapadny Bug, the car stopped, the children were undressed, as evidenced by the presence of children's underwear in the car, which returned to Domachevo. The children and their teacher were shot ... "

      There was also a children's concentration camp Salaspils, where German, Latvian and Estonian guys competed, who would quickly kill the 5 summer child, who can no longer be a donor for ordinary Wehrmacht guys. Nobody forced these atrocities to be brutal.
    3. Bigriver
      Bigriver 12 January 2014 10: 08
      +8
      Quote: shinobi
      ... At the heart of it were ordinary German guys. That's just the ideology of fascism that gave all the chances to rise precisely the thugs that any nation has ...

      Everything is much worse. Racial theory, the ideology of national socialism contributed to the fall of the common bar of conscience, morality, humanity for all warriors of the Wehrmacht and the SS.
    4. Humpty
      Humpty 12 January 2014 10: 57
      +6
      Quote: shinobi
      The soldiers of the Wehrmacht were different. They were based on ordinary German guys. Only the ideology of fascism gave all the chances to rise precisely to the thugs that any nation has. And they must be extinguished everywhere.


      I don’t even know how to tell you. Perhaps you are a victim of the exam.
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 12 January 2014 09: 09
    +9
    Quote: The same Lech
    ... I understand you can not love Jews, but to kill women and children is already a disgusting CRIME ...

    Is killing men and old people on a national basis a less heinous crime?
  • Valentine77 64
    Valentine77 64 12 January 2014 09: 10
    +4
    The outskirts never had their own statehood. And here is you, 1991. Hooray!!! Tired of feeding the USSR. We ourselves will live better. But the state elite did not have political will. All dirt flowed (air of freedom). They put everything upside down. When will common sense revive in the minds of both the people and the oligarchic and political elite?
    And you can’t throw the outskirts. This is our land, the blood of our ancestors has been shed here at all times.
    1. nnz226
      nnz226 12 January 2014 14: 17
      +1
      The only thing is that when the outskirts are annexed to Russia, you will have to finish the unfinished "tyrant" Stalin. "Only mass executions (" svobodovtsy "and other Svidomo cattle) will save the Motherland" (from the Goblin translation of a film about the hobbits). Or as an act of humanism - resettlement to the southern coast of the Laptev Sea!
      1. morpex
        morpex 12 January 2014 21: 58
        -1
        Quote: nnz226
        Only mass executions ("svobodovtsy" and other Svidomo cattle) will save the Motherland

        Judging by the flag, you live in Ukraine. What is stopping you from doing this now? Why wait for the Russians? They need to blame them for this, so that later they would again be accused of all sins .. Where I live, there is no mention of Bandera at all. They will appear, we will work with them ourselves.
        Do not sit and scribble at the computer in the hole. And go and really do something. Or are you like our Simonyan hiding and waiting, who will win?

        The country is called Ukraine.
    2. 120352
      120352 12 January 2014 15: 58
      -1
      By the way, the outskirts never fed anyone. She herself lived on a subsidy from Russia.
  • demotivator
    demotivator 12 January 2014 09: 12
    +8
    I would not comment on this film if I hadn’t seen that Germany, again with different sauces, is not trying to give its own assessment of the Great Patriotic War

    And what is there to be surprised? The beaten one is always itching and wants to prove to everyone that he lost the war by pure chance. The "iron" German chancellor Otto von Bismarck, who knew Russia and its people well, left several important behests to the Germans, which his ungrateful descendants try not to remember.
    Here are Bismarck's most famous quotes about Russia:
    * Russians harness for a long time, but drive fast.
    * Do not hope that once using the weakness of Russia, you will receive dividends forever. Russians always come for their money. And when they come, don’t rely on the Jesuit agreements that you have signed, supposedly supporting you. They are not worth the paper on which they are written. Therefore, it is worth playing with the Russians honestly, or not at all.
    * Preventive war against Russia - suicide due to fear of death.
    1. German
      German 12 January 2014 09: 39
      +3
      and Bismarck is far from ....
    2. VOLCHOXURAL
      VOLCHOXURAL 12 January 2014 10: 42
      +10
      Quote: demotivator
      The "iron" German chancellor Otto von Bismarck, who knew Russia and its people well, left several important behests to the Germans, which his ungrateful descendants try not to remember.

      No, they remember one commandment well! And very successfully apply it !!!
    3. Ptah
      Ptah 12 January 2014 11: 26
      +3
      Quote: demotivator
      The beaten is always numb and wants to prove to everyone that he lost the war by pure chance.

      Maybe you just said that about Russia?
      Can we give the yapam an excellent shock? TS "let's play a rematch" for the events of a century ago. You can also remember a couple of cases when it would be worth using the excuse "And we itching to do it, because we were beaten ..."

      More quotes from Otto von Bismarck:

      "They never lie as much as during the war, after the hunt and before the elections."

      "Success in war is determined by two factors: a new model of a gun and a school teacher."

      "Never go to war with Russia! Because for any of your smart plans, the Russians will have some kind of nonsense that you did not foresee, because of which this plan will fail."

      "Russia is dangerous because of the meagerness of its needs."

      "The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear away, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you only need to find and raise traitors among the elite and, with their help, change the self-consciousness of one part of the great nation to such an extent that it will to hate everything Russian, to hate your kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. "

      "If the British army lands in Germany, I will simply order the police to arrest her."

      "I fear that foreign bankers known for their cunning and cunning tricks (read Jewish) will take full control of America's enormous wealth and channel it into the systematic corruption of modern civilization. They will not fail to plunge the entire Christian world into the abyss of war and chaos just to so that the whole earth becomes their legacy. "

      "Learn as if you are going to live forever. Live as if you are going to die tomorrow."


      I assure you. Today's Germans revere Bismarck and remember his "behests" both in relation to Russia and to their unenviable past. Therefore, there is no need to frighten everyone with the modern German nation (it was almost destroyed in the last 50 years. And they were far from Russians ...).
      Come and live.
      Germans will be more pleased with youthan a Turk or a nigra.
      You will be more pleased with the Germansthan Caucasians or some Ukrainians ...
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 12 January 2014 13: 46
        +5
        Quote: Ptah
        Can we give the yapam an excellent shock? TS "let's play a rematch" for the events of a century ago

        Didn't they arrange it? In August 45th. I am quite satisfied with the results of this “rematch”. If yapam is itching to go ahead. We'll squeeze out another island from them.
  • treskoed
    treskoed 12 January 2014 09: 13
    +5
    But did the EU forget that Bandera, whose heirs stand today on Euromaidan as leaders, destroyed the German fascists only during the Volyn Massacre and after the Great Patriotic War in Western Ukraine about 180 thousands of Soviet citizens?

    Apparently, the current government of Ukraine has forgotten about this! No matter how insight is too late!
  • INVESTOR
    INVESTOR 12 January 2014 10: 42
    +5
    I can’t understand how the land of these fascist creatures wears? Where does Christ look? After all, bastards live do not even get sick ..
  • dark_65
    dark_65 12 January 2014 10: 46
    +3
    in principle, one thing is clear .. Bandera creatures. Germans, too (agree) what's next?
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 12 January 2014 11: 25
      0
      Quote: dark_65
      Bandera creatures. Germans, too (agree) what's next?

      Oh, so we go far! Germans something (the German people) at what ?!
  • santush
    santush 12 January 2014 11: 04
    +4
    Thank you for the article! I fully support the People's Deputy of Ukraine. We have nothing to do with the ES. We, as part of the CU, need to become such a Ukraine as the Ukrainian SSR. And the EU with their "values" is up to us!
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 January 2014 11: 17
    +11
    "An open homosexual who (fu-fu-fu) officially signed with the man, he is the German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, came to hug the leaders of the Maidan and provide them with moral support on behalf of the EU in general and the Fourth Reich in particular."
    He called Lukashenko a dictator, to which he replied - it would be better if I were a dictator than a pid race. And it’s live.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 12 January 2014 11: 17
    +5
    how the Nazis save a Jewish girl from the cruel Ukrainian policemen.

    I would love to watch a German film in which they would show the salvation of the Jews, residents of the Warsaw ghetto, from the most brutal Jewish policemen. But Jewry justified these scum by the fact that they saved their own lives, as required by the Torah, though at the expense of other Jews sent to concentration camps.
    1. nnz226
      nnz226 12 January 2014 14: 23
      +3
      Well, in the destruction of the Warsaw ghetto, the SS brigade (I do not remember the name) was also noted, just consisting of the refuse of Russians, Baltic states and massively Ukrainian nationalists! So they behaved, and then also during the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising, inspired by London, that the commander of the SS brigade was shot (!!!) by the verdict of the German (!!!) military tribunal! Although the "ordinary" German soldiers, "just carrying out the order", also did not suffer from humanism !!!
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    1. Egoza
      12 January 2014 12: 58
      +5
      Quote: Barracuda
      Indeed, in some ways Hitler might have been right to destroy the Jews.

      Hitler successfully helped the top - .....deleted by moderator Apollo who were ready to destroy their Jews in the same way! Do not confuse the hard worker people and the oligarch bankers.
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 12 January 2014 13: 35
      +4
      Quote: Barracuda
      I'm not talking about people's lives, but ...
      Indeed, in some ways Hitler might have been right to destroy the Jews. Remember the Jewish pogroms in Russia regular. And show at least one country where Jews would be welcome, everyone suffers and hates accumulate. From the realm of science fiction - hop didn’t die at the moment of the Jews, can you imagine what peace would come on the planet?


      You yourself, without relying on the "authority" of Hitler, can substantiate in what exactly the demoniac was right in this matter?
    3. 0255
      0255 12 January 2014 14: 50
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      Indeed, in some ways Hitler might have been right to destroy the Jews.

      Hitler was himself a Jew. When the British allowed him to seize Austria, he destroyed the cemetery where his Jewish ancestors were buried. And the Aryan - a muscular 2-meter blond - and not close to being like, look at his photo from Wikipedia. He used "Borra" with Jews exclusively for his own dirty purposes.
      And show at least one country where Jews would be welcome, everyone suffers and hates accumulate. From the realm of science fiction - hop didn’t die at the moment of the Jews, can you imagine what peace would come on the planet?

      Among the Jews there are scum and normal people - like any nation. Only Jews should not be blamed for everything.
      ..............deleted by moderator Apollo I hope you don’t think that if the Nazis won the Second World War, we would have happily lived in Germany?
      1. Egoza
        12 January 2014 21: 24
        +1
        Quote: 0255
        .................deleted by moderator Apollo

        I? belay This is why such a conclusion? They attributed a quote to me, which I did not say, and then build conclusions on this? More carefully, please !!!
        1. 0255
          0255 13 January 2014 20: 54
          0
          I apologize, I accidentally wrote "Egoza" instead of "Barakuda". To blame recourse
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 12 January 2014 11: 52
    +3
    Quote: Barracuda
    I’m not talking about people's lives, but ... After all, Hitler might have been right in destroying Jews in something. Remember the Jewish pogroms in Russia regular. And show at least one country where Jews would be welcome, everyone suffers and hates accumulate. From the realm of science fiction - hop didn’t die at the moment of the Jews, can you imagine what peace would come on the planet?

    In Russia there are no and never have been Jewish pogroms, due to the absence of Jews in significant quantities. At one time, Ivan the Terrible banned the entry of Jews into the territory of Great Russia, for which he has been blackened for 500 years.
    Jewish pogroms were in the western regions of the Russian Empire, mainly in Little Russia, where Jews had an average of up to 5% of the population.
    Jews were German citizens, and Hitler was the head of the German government, the guarantor of the rights of citizens, one might say.
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  • Boris63
    Boris63 12 January 2014 11: 54
    +6
    The Germans "repented" after the war, although they were still different. Mother said that in the occupied Pskov region (at least in their district), the garrison Germans "just like that" did not offend anyone, and before retreating they went around all the villages with the words: go into the forest to the partisans, the SS will follow us. Even now Germany denounces fascism and persecutes it according to the law, while the new Europeans (in the person of the Baltic states) are elevating them and the old Europe will not reiterate them. So how, then, these "geyropeytsy" will find fault with the Galicians, then they will have to deal with the Baltic states, nizya, because the heirs of Bandera want to go to geyrop. And they will not condemn, as long as it is beneficial to them.
    Nicknames - even to call him a scumbag is not enough, he just has one "threshing floor" in his head.
    1. Banderovets
      Banderovets 12 January 2014 12: 25
      0
      Quote: Boris63
      The Germans "repented" after the war, although they were still different. Mother said that in the occupied Pskov region (at least in their district), the garrison Germans "just like that" did not offend anyone, and before retreating they went around all the villages with the words: go into the forest to the partisans, the SS will follow us. Even now Germany denounces fascism and persecutes it according to the law, while the new Europeans (in the person of the Baltic states) are elevating them and the old Europe will not reiterate them. So how, then, these "geyropeytsy" will find fault with the Galicians, then they will have to deal with the Baltic states, nizya, because the heirs of Bandera want to go to geyrop. And they will not condemn, as long as it is beneficial to them.
      Nicknames - even to call him a scumbag is not enough, he just has one "threshing floor" in his head.

      Poor, unhappy, decent Germans. They walked and repented, warned the SS would go. Nobody warned my relatives in Ukraine, they took these decent and cut them out, one great-grandfather survived and the great-grandmother remained, the rest were killed. But Bandera probably did it. the Germans are incapable of this.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 January 2014 12: 01
    +6
    Quote: Boris63
    Nicknames - even to call him a scumbag is not enough, he just has one "threshing floor" in his head

    As an athlete, you can respect him. But as a politician ... I sat in the city council, everyone fought against the sale of land near Kiev to the ball to the oligarchs, and nothing, they all sold successfully. They didn’t choose him as mayor of Kiev, where is he shoving his broken head now ..? He even got facial expressions during the conversation, the Americans became.
  • sawmill
    sawmill 12 January 2014 12: 04
    +7
    It is good that the author, a resident of Ukraine, raises this question, because no one for them, for Ukrainians, will understand the heirs of Bandera.
    We had our own Vlasov, our own skin, and it’s good that there are no special disagreements among the people about this.
  • igor67
    igor67 12 January 2014 12: 07
    +17
    Here he is a wrestler, Stepan Bandera,
    1. Zeev
      Zeev 10 March 2014 15: 53
      0
      And this is exactly Bandera? In the shape of a Wehrmacht and with a golden knight's cross with swords?
    2. Zeev
      Zeev 11 March 2014 00: 25
      0
      Or is it still Major General Reinhard Gehlen, future President of the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND)?
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 January 2014 12: 09
    +2
    Quote: Corsair5912
    Quote: Barracuda
    I’m not talking about people's lives, but ... After all, Hitler might have been right in destroying Jews in something. Remember the Jewish pogroms in Russia regular. And show at least one country where Jews would be welcome, everyone suffers and hates accumulate. From the realm of science fiction - hop didn’t die at the moment of the Jews, can you imagine what peace would come on the planet?

    In Russia there are no and never have been Jewish pogroms, due to the absence of Jews in significant quantities. At one time, Ivan the Terrible banned the entry of Jews into the territory of Great Russia, for which he has been blackened for 500 years.
    Jewish pogroms were in the western regions of the Russian Empire, mainly in Little Russia, where Jews had an average of up to 5% of the population.
    Jews were German citizens, and Hitler was the head of the German government, the guarantor of the rights of citizens, one might say.

    And the slogan - Beat the Jews, save Russia, has appeared from scratch? .. What are 5%? . where I live, near Kiev, the city center is still called Jewish, almost none of them worked in physical labor, some traders, huts still stand in some places. They killed them in civilian clothes, who didn’t have time to dump them, local people . Ivan the Terrible Vivat. Yes, and in the tsarist army a Jew could not become an officer, there was a law, it’s not just like that.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 12 January 2014 12: 59
      +2
      Quote: Barracuda
      And the slogan - Beat the Yids, save Russia, has appeared from scratch? .. What are 5%? . where I live, near Kiev, the city center is so called - Jewish, of which almost no one was engaged in physical labor, some traders, huts still in some places

      Valery, everything is correct about the slogan, he is from the Russian Empire, then there were no republics and "Ukrainians", Russia was united and indivisible, from Warsaw to Anadyr.
      Jews on average 5%, but in some cities there may be 50%, or even more.
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    3. Turkestan
      Turkestan 12 January 2014 13: 04
      +6
      As information, PEARL

      - During the Crimean War in Sevastopol, a monument was erected over the grave of 3000 fallen Russian Jewish soldiers with inscriptions in Russian and Hebrew: "In memory of the Jewish soldiers who died for the Fatherland during the defense of Sevastopol during the war of 1854-1855." The monument is located on the territory of the Marine Plant.

      - In the Russian-Turkish campaign (1877-1878), Jews took part in the war for the liberation of the Balkan Slavs from the Ottoman yoke, especially in the battles on Shipka.
      The largest number of Jews served in the 16th and 30th infantry fighting divisions, the contingent of which was recruited in the Mogilev and Minsk provinces, where the number of Jews exceeded half the total number of soldiers. The 16th and 30th divisions participated in several decisive battles.
      According to General Kuropatkin: “... the Jews were able and will continue to be able to fight and die just as heroically as other Russian soldiers” .... they rushed at the enemy, broke into enemy positions, captured Turks, covered commanders, when the officers died, they raised the soldiers to attack. ”

      - In the Russo-Chinese (1900-1902gg.) And Russo-Japanese (1904-1905gg.) Wars, Jews participated in the Russian troops 30 people ...... many were awarded St. George crosses, there are some that have even two and three, and these crosses were not given by the authorities, but were awarded by the company itself!
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      2. Turkestan
        Turkestan 12 January 2014 13: 29
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        In the ranks of the Russian Imperial Army there were not only lower officers, but also generals of purely Jewish origin:
        General Staff General M. Grulyov is a Jew who has reached high positions and even a candidate for military minister of the Russian Empire.
        The sons of the Jewish cantonists were the famous generals N.I. Ivanov, M.V. Alekseev, artillery general N.K. Arnoldi, a Jew baptized in the cantonists.
        Samuel Kaufman retired in 1902 with the rank of Rear Admiral and devoted himself to serving in the Society for the Recovery of the Jewish People (OZE) he founded.
        Sergei Tseil graduated from the Mikhailovsky Art School and the Academy of the General Staff. During the Russo-Japanese War - chief of staff of the division. In 1910 - major general, since 1914 the division commander, died at the front in 1915.
        Similarly, the origin of Alexander Khanukov, who graduated from the same universities as Zeil. In 1914, he became a major general, chief of staff of the army corps. In 1918 he was shot for refusing to serve in the Red Army.
        The son of the former cantonist was Alexander Sapsai. He graduated from the Naval Cadet Corps. In the years 1910-1912. - Chief of Staff of the Black Sea Fleet, Rear Admiral. In World War I, the commander of the cruiser brigade, vice admiral.
        This list can be continued by calling Rear Admiral Jacob Kefali, head of the Military Medical Academy Nikolai Kozlov and others.
        Naturally, they were ethnic Jews who adopted Christianity, for a man of the Jewish faith in tsarist Russia could not become an officer-general.
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        2. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 12 January 2014 14: 49
          +1
          Quote: Turkestan
          This list can be continued by calling Rear Admiral Jacob Kefali, head of the Military Medical Academy Nikolai Kozlov and others. Naturally, they were ethnic Jews who adopted Christianity, for a man of the Jewish faith in tsarist Russia could not become an officer-general.

          Dear Issak, thank you, the information is interesting.
          I have no national prejudices; I am not a nationalist or anti-Semite.
          It is not a matter of nationality, but of man himself.
          1. Turkestan
            Turkestan 12 January 2014 17: 10
            +2
            I apologize but my information is not intended for you but for the discussion participant BARAKUDA after his post \ 12.09 \ and my information note appeared for some reason after your post.

            And the slogan - Beat the Jews, save Russia, has appeared from scratch? .. What are 5%? . where I live, near Kiev, the city center is still called Jewish, almost none of them worked in physical labor, some traders, huts still stand in some places. They killed them in civilian clothes, who didn’t have time to dump them, local people . Ivan the Terrible Vivat. Yes, and in the tsarist army a Jew could not become an officer, there was a law, it’s not just like that.
    4. igor67
      igor67 12 January 2014 13: 47
      +11
      Quote: Barracuda
      Quote: Corsair5912
      Quote: Barracuda
      I’m not talking about people's lives, but ... After all, Hitler might have been right in destroying Jews in something. Remember the Jewish pogroms in Russia regular. And show at least one country where Jews would be welcome, everyone suffers and hates accumulate. From the realm of science fiction - hop didn’t die at the moment of the Jews, can you imagine what peace would come on the planet?

      In Russia there are no and never have been Jewish pogroms, due to the absence of Jews in significant quantities. At one time, Ivan the Terrible banned the entry of Jews into the territory of Great Russia, for which he has been blackened for 500 years.
      Jewish pogroms were in the western regions of the Russian Empire, mainly in Little Russia, where Jews had an average of up to 5% of the population.
      Jews were German citizens, and Hitler was the head of the German government, the guarantor of the rights of citizens, one might say.

      And the slogan - Beat the Jews, save Russia, has appeared from scratch? .. What are 5%? . where I live, near Kiev, the city center is still called Jewish, almost none of them worked in physical labor, some traders, huts still stand in some places. They killed them in civilian clothes, who didn’t have time to dump them, local people . Ivan the Terrible Vivat. Yes, and in the tsarist army a Jew could not become an officer, there was a law, it’s not just like that.

      My father worked for 40 years as a mechanic at a factory, his father my grandfather died at 42 young, drafted into the army from a factory, a worker, his father my great-grandfather in the tsarist army was a sergeant major, so less ....... de, yes forgot I've been a simple worker for 30 years
  • Arh
    Arh 12 January 2014 12: 12
    +2
    these are traitors to humanity and the Russian people, there is no relationship with them!
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 12 January 2014 12: 29
      +2
      Kholuy Hitler searches the worker.
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  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 January 2014 12: 21
    0
    The whole joke is that without the approval of Stalin there would be no artificially created Israel. When the Palestinian Arabs from their lands were driven into the reservation with the active participation of the United States.
  • Banderovets
    Banderovets 12 January 2014 12: 21
    -1
    And someone M.R.A.Z. and deleted my comment? Patriots N.E.D.O.E.B.A.N.N.Y.E.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 January 2014 12: 24
    +1
    Quote: Banderovets
    And someone M.R.A.Z. and deleted my comment? Patriots N.E.D.O.E.B.A.N.N.Y.E.

    The robot removed you, you need to curse less.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 12 January 2014 12: 34
      +4
      Probably Bandera’s of these - the NKVD was clearly underdeveloped.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 12 January 2014 12: 25
    +1
    Yes, really-Bandera so white fluffy.
    1. 0255
      0255 12 January 2014 15: 03
      +4
      Yes, really-Bandera so white fluffy.

      Well, Vlasov is already being recorded as a saint, recently there was an article on the site about him. Zhukov, with the filing of pro-Western lies, a war criminal, the Red Army generally raped the Europeans without exception. But the traitors are almost national heroes.
      The neo-fascists got it.
  • alone
    alone 12 January 2014 12: 44
    +4
    )) It is better to show these photos and facts to those who walk with a swastika and zigyatsya at a meeting. Each of its own shit up his throat.
  • Paul
    Paul 12 January 2014 12: 46
    +3
    “Ukraine should be on
    board of Europe because
    we are united by a joint
    joint story
    culture collaborative
    values. We want to continue
    see you yours
    partners "

    shared values ​​???
    joint story ???
    co-culture ???
    we want to see you as homopartners !!!!

    without inciting hatred of Ukrainians and Germans, there is a remark: Bandera’s (non-Ukrainians) and fascists (not Germans) really have a lot in common - Belarusians and Russians (Jews, Slavs) were fired by villages, villages - in their understanding, they share a common history, culture
  • Altona
    Altona 12 January 2014 12: 46
    +5
    Something again, the emphasis was crossed ... The Nazis are the Nazis, they didn’t need to be dismissed, there were bastards in the Wehrmacht, and a lot ... Another thing is that the Germans themselves did not have enough hands for dirty work and then broadcasters of all nationalities were involved - Ukrainians, Hungarians, Georgians, Czechs and from all over the Crimea and the Caucasus ... Just go to a specialized forum on the Second World War and a bunch of photos will prove and illustrate this better than any articles and links ...
    1. 0255
      0255 12 January 2014 15: 13
      +4
      Something again crossed the accents ... The Nazis, they are the Nazis, nefig otmazyvat them, there were bastards in the Wehrmacht, and a lot ...

      Germans now want to expose Hitler not as a villain of the 20th century, but as a great conquering commander like Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Tamerlan and Napoleon. Well, or an ambiguous historical figure.
      Well, our scribes and directors like Bondarchuk show us Germans-type-people too. Of course, there were normal people among the Germans, but we don’t need to whitewash them SO like today, omitting our grandfathers and great-grandfathers.
  • vladstro
    vladstro 12 January 2014 12: 59
    +4
    What do you write Germans are good guys Germans are bad guys, in 41 they rushed to us, confident that we have a country of savages, and they are a great and invincible nation. And when they got from the "savages" by the beasts and cooled down near Moscow, they began to get a little better, they understood that the Fuehrer overstepped them, they again began to treat the population differently, thinking suddenly to put in a word in front of the people's avengers, they say that that non-commissioned officer did not give us any cookies, people everywhere people are me about the Wehrmacht, and ss, of course, pulled their straps to the end that's why they trained them. Here's something like this.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 January 2014 12: 59
    0
    Those who were there and participated already either in the grave or senility. There remained ideological nonsense, from which politicians create parties for the headstock of the West. Worst of all, these are young people, there is no education, no work, no money (about the western regions of Ukraine), no one studies history - that’s why they make torchbearers with a swastika and confidence that it’s worth to get rid of the Russians and everything will be OK, but they’ll forget under whose yoke Ukraine has been for centuries ...- Lithuania, Poland, Tatars .. and who gave them the country, with borders, army, factories and steamships ..
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 12 January 2014 13: 01
    +1
    <<< In response to the statements of the Euromaidan leaders that Ukrainians showed their desire to go to Europe >>>
    It is more and more obvious that the so-called "Europe" itself, under the leadership of libesralov - common people, is going, excuse the harshness, to Geige ... poo! And the fact that the Banderlog and Maydauns are striving to go there is quite natural, since IT and Geizh..pa are interrelated things, even historically! But the bulk of Ukrainians lived and live in Europe and in this very "...... pu", obviously, is not going to, no matter how they call her paid maydanutye barkers and their gayropeyskie sponsors!
  • Altona
    Altona 12 January 2014 13: 14
    +3
    I’ll add another 5 kopecks ... They’re rubbing into us that the OUN-UPA fought both the Red Army and the Wehrmacht, the freedom fighters and all that ... But in fact, they are still Ukrainian Nazis with the same methods and the same cannibalistic ideology ... And the ideal of their state is GERMAN GAULING, that then, now ... And they began to fight with the Germans when they covered them with a feeder for their too champing pork snouts ...
  • ed65b
    ed65b 12 January 2014 13: 23
    +1
    For 20 years, Ukrainians were poured into the ears of fairy tales about their own exclusiveness and the enemies surrounding Ukraine’s independent 20 years. Here they brought up the corresponding generation. And if they inject the same thing for another 20 years, it will just become scary to think what will happen. But really 4 Reich. With concentration camps and a great civil war.
  • Paul
    Paul 12 January 2014 13: 40
    +3
    Quote: ed65b
    For 20 years, Ukrainians were poured into the ears of fairy tales about their own exclusiveness and the enemies surrounding Ukraine’s independent 20 years. Here they brought up the corresponding generation. And if they inject the same thing for another 20 years, it will just become scary to think what will happen. But really 4 Reich. With concentration camps and a great civil war.


    I agree 1000%
    1. acute
      acute 12 January 2014 15: 39
      +2
      Pavel, Ukrainians have always been like that, and not the last 20 years. Let it seem to someone a phobia, but it is. See the whole history of Ukraine
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 12 January 2014 13: 45
    +2
    Maxim Gorky said that even a typhoid louse would be offended by comparison with a traitor.
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    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 12 January 2014 14: 58
      +2
      Quote: tank64rus
      Maxim Gorky said that even a typhoid louse would be offended by comparison with a traitor.

      Traitors vile OUN and UPA is simply impossible to imagine.
      The creatures howled about their love for "Nenko Ukraine", while they themselves were shooting surreptitiously in the back of the Soviet soldiers, who liberated this "Nenka" from the Nazis, and holed around the stinking caches in order to spoil the people as much as possible, who was raising Ukraine from the ruins. The rat's anus is not theirs.
      The current last manure of rat manure, all sorts of nicknames, Yushchenko and dragsters put a knife in the back of Nenko, because she did not lie under the Euros.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 12 January 2014 13: 50
    +4
    Quote: EU leadership is hypocritical. None of them want to answer basic questions.

    The unscrupulousness of European Union politicians lies in the fact that they fraternize on the Maidan with the followers of Bandera and fascists. Spit on them decency and conscience. In the fight against Russia for Europe, all means are good.
  • nnz226
    nnz226 12 January 2014 14: 01
    +6
    For Basarev: to him: "Germans and Nazis are not synonyms!"
    SYNONYMS !!! These gayropean creatures only behave law-abidingly when the executioner stands behind them! And just let go of the reins and away we go! That the "enlightened" French 201 years ago arranged stables in the churches (Russian illiterate serfs in Paris did not do anything like that), but about the Germans. See photo! That these geeks were afraid of a court-martial "just carried out the order" ??? I am still amazed when they restore cemeteries on our land and put commemorative crosses!
    1. Normal
      Normal 12 January 2014 15: 52
      +5
      Quote: nnz226
      See photo!


      This is a well-known online photo montage. Uneven illumination and image quality are visible even to the eye.

      The Nazis, especially the "SS" troops, are of course a creature and no fakes are needed to prove this. But even the German "SS" was far from the "SS" of the nationalists of UkrAina and the Baltic states.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 12 January 2014 18: 49
        0
        YES this is true, there is such a photo montage.
    2. does it
      does it 12 January 2014 18: 42
      0
      Quote: nnz226
      201 years ago, the "enlightened" French arranged stables in churches (Russian illiterate serfs in Paris did not do anything like that),

      Because there was a strict royal decree, there was nothing and nothing to touch, and money was issued to boost the local economy. , by the way, the floor of the army there remained ancestral to the Tsarsim decrees, because they knew in Russia serfs and gentlemen in the vastness of France. Well, the photo, I agree with Normal since I already encountered this photo.