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Armored car "Ural-BB"

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In 2014, the rearmament of the army and security forces will continue. Thus, in accordance with the existing agreements, this year the Interior Ministry troops will receive the first batch of new armored vehicles. Eight cars of the Ural-VV model will be transferred to the Ministry of the Interior and after that will go to the appropriate units.




The new model of the armored car was developed by order of the command of the internal troops, which is reflected in the letters “BB” present in the title. According to reports, the customer independently developed the technical requirements for a promising armored car. They take into account the experience of using armored and unprotected vehicles in recent conflicts, the peculiarities of the work of internal troops, etc. In the course of analyzing the capabilities of industry and the realities of combat work, the specialists of the Ministry of Internal Affairs excluded some points from the requirements for the new armored vehicle, and added new ones.

Among other requirements for the Ural-VV car, two of the greatest interest are those related to the layout of the armored hull. Internal troops wished to receive equipment with a single armored corps. In accordance with the technical specifications, the driver’s cab and the troop compartment should be a single volume. The second remarkable requirement is the presence of a large number of hatches. To reduce the time required to leave the car, the customer demanded to equip it with a large number of doors and hatches.

The development of an armored vehicle for the new model was entrusted to the Ural Automobile Plant (Miass) and the Moscow Research Institute of Steel. The first company was responsible for the creation of the chassis and the corresponding units, the second - for the armored body. For the first time the armored car "Ural-VV" was shown in September last year, at the Russian Arms Expo-2013 exhibition in Nizhny Tagil. The demonstration of the first copy and the publication of some of the data about it allow us to form an opinion about the promising armored vehicle.

The Ural-4320 truck was chosen as the basis for the Ural-VV armored car. It was in serial production and proved to be a good vehicle of its class. The all-wheel drive three-axle chassis is equipped with a JMZ-536 diesel engine with a capacity of about 310 hp. Such an engine and chassis are said to provide high performance both on the highway and on rough terrain.

The armored hull of the Ural-VV is assembled from metal sheets of various thickness and is able to protect the crew from bullets and fragments, as well as from mines and improvised explosive devices. The frontal parts of the hull and glass provide protection at the level of 6 class by domestic standards, the sides - 5 class. The engine compartment has its own armored housing, providing protection for the 3 class. Declared protection of the crew from the explosion of two kilograms of TNT. An interesting feature of the new armored vehicle is the additional splinter protection of the engine and gearbox placed under them. Experience in operating various classes of technology has shown the need for such parts.





For landing and leaving the car has several doors. Two are located in the front of the habitable volume, one on the right side, and in the stern sheet there is a wide double door. For convenience, the rear doors are equipped with a folding ladder with a pneumatic cylinder. If necessary, it can be lowered manually. The bulky cargo-and-passenger compartment allows the Ural-BB armored car to transport up to 17 people, including the driver (according to other sources, only 13 seats). The fighters are placed on the seats installed along the sides. According to some data, no seats were installed on the armored car on display in Nizhny Tagil, absorbing some of the energy of the explosion of mines. Perhaps in the future, the armored car will receive similar equipment.

When developing a new armored car, not only the requirements regarding the driving characteristics or the level of protection were taken into account. To create comfortable conditions, the habitable volume of the Ural-VV car is equipped with an air-conditioning system, a heater and a number of other equipment affecting the convenience of being in an armored car. It should be noted that these devices are standard.

The armored car "Ural-VV" does not have its own weapons, but if necessary, the crew can fire from personal weapons through the loopholes. On all glasses there is one such device. Acceptable firing angles, apparently, allow you to attack targets in any direction.

Until the end of the current 2014, internal troops will receive eight Ural-VV armored cars. It is expected that the new equipment will arrive in some parts, where it will partially replace the unprotected trucks and armored personnel carriers existing there. Armored vehicles ordered by the Ministry of the Interior have an interesting legal feature that will facilitate its operation. Unlike armored personnel carriers and other vehicles of several classes, the armored vehicles "Ural-VV" or similar vehicles are full participants in traffic and therefore can independently and without any escort move along the roads, which can significantly accelerate the transfer of personnel.


On the materials of the sites:
http://uralaz.ru/
http://vpk-news.ru/
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/
http://miass-online.ru/
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  1. Volkhov
    Volkhov 13 January 2014 09: 34
    +6
    The armored car program has a beautiful name - "The Punisher" with knowledge of history named the theme.
    1. Armata
      Armata 13 January 2014 09: 41
      +15
      Quote: Volkhov
      The armored car program has a beautiful name - "The Punisher"
      This is not the series, but only one has such a name. And to be honest, I don't like how the samples are now called. Recall the old names "Geocynth" 2Tulip "" Acacia "(flowers) Voivode, Atlas, etc. A simple question. Whom did they punish in a half-jeep with this name? Or that first the police, now punitive operations on this apparatus? And the Urals, he is also in Africa Ural .. A harsh machine.
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 13 January 2014 09: 54
        +1
        A lot depends on the identity too .... PUNISHER-bl .. some name ...
        But in general, the Ural plant is spreading rot, the army practically refused to purchase the chassis, all orders go to the Kamaz chassis ...
        The plant produces civil vehicles at the level of profitability ...
        So, I think, there will NOT be another automaker in the Modern RF.
        ...........................................................................
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 13 January 2014 10: 58
          +11
          Quote: Asgard
          But in general, the Ural plant is spreading rot, the army practically refused to purchase the chassis, all orders go to the Kamaz chassis ...

          Nobody refused "Uralov", hundreds of them are transferred to the army. About "Kamaz", they just talk more often, and their line is higher.
          At the end of the year, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, by the way, ordered another 52 Federals.
        2. dmitrij.blyuz
          dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 14: 13
          +8
          This is not a "good". The Urals have at least 2 meters of life ahead. And the Kamaz?
      2. Rustam
        Rustam 13 January 2014 11: 59
        +3
        Previously expressed on this miracle -that's the interest of both sides, only who would be better off from this?

        here is my post


        Rustam RU October 26, 2013 18:06 | In 2014, internal troops will receive the first batch of new armored vehicles

        To this creation, namely URALU 4320-BB, I have the most negative attitude, it is not clear what they want to bet on the Brooms and the Brooms are not against (it means there is an interest in this feather miracle)

        I repeat my post to Rustam  October 24, 2013 11:38

        I talked about the visit to Ienterpolitech-2013 - honestly disappointed, of course, here's an example of the new Ural4320-BB (played for it) until I sat, talked
        the view is cramped, uncomfortable, low ceiling, uncomfortable openings, seats and so on - and most importantly, the hydraulic outlet open is something to the same 2kg under the bottom - it’s better to have Typhoon from Kamaz
        I told them directly to the forehead - why such a miracle is needed and showed the jambs with my finger, I heard a lot of speeches - type, well, you understand the machine park, etc. (probably not better than the federal one), but you can't call it breakthrough, and the Frenchman is worth it (though a little for other purposes , more urban) -all like people, nothing more, everything is convenient

        Look at the photo (clickable) the new URAL-VV -without comments, I thought it would be a worthy replacement for the Federals, but no (Kamaz completely lowers the ramp and one common opening, these went their own way)

        What price do you know of this miracle called URAL 4320 BB - in the region of 500 t (and holds a current of 2 kg), and the army Typhoon under a million euros:) - OK, yes

        Yes, it’s better then this one

        The South African division of the company BAE Systems introduced a new armored vehicle Casspir Mk6 based on the same Ural-4320. The idea of ​​using a Russian chassis to an African developer was thrown by the Indian company Mahindra & Mahindra. The actual development of the Casspir Mk 6 was carried out by the joint venture Defense Land Systems India (DLSI) created by BAE Systems and Mahindra & Mahindra in India

        Casspir Mk6 is available in 4x4 and 6x6 formulas. At the same time, a Russian-made YaMZ-236NE2 turbo-charged diesel engine with a maximum power of 230 hp is installed on the car. (169 kW), and a manual gearbox YaMZ-236U. This decision was chosen by the developer with the aim of reducing the cost of the Casspir Mk 6 machine, the cost of which is claimed from the mark of 350 thousand dollars.

        In tests, the car withstood without detriment to personnel the detonation of a 21-kilogram charge under the wheel and a 14-kilogram charge under the body of the car

        ps-the same Federal-M "on the Ural-55571 chassis, created by the" Institute of Special Equipment - much better than this miracle udo
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 13 January 2014 12: 08
          +2
          I agree with you on the back doors, it was necessary to make a folding ramp with a door mounted in it and thereby remove the completely unnecessary partition in the middle.
        2. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 13 January 2014 12: 37
          +5
          Quote: Rustam
          Yes, it’s better then this one

          I completely agree with all your comments, Rustam.

          From myself I will add:
          The armored Urals with the armored kung is what many dreamed of then and still dream of, there are few of them. This is an ideal option to replace simple well-deserved Urals.
          But ... We only have the "Federal" and now Ural-VV ...
          Actually, it’s already the 21st century in the yard. This is clearly not Mrap.
          Where is the order for Typhoons: Ural-63099 and Ural-65095?

          And the South African MRS "Kasspir" for India based on the same Urals?
          Here is a VERY INTERESTING MACHINE - the same “two meters of salvation” for a carrier, plus a full “V” based on a reliable machine.
          We don’t do Pachamu such a mafia ourselves?
          - Is the “gut" of the developers thin? I do not believe.
          - There is no order with such a TTZ? I believe.

          For your information:
          MPAP Casspir Mk6. The cost of 350.000 Baku.
          Chassis Ural-4320, motor YaMZ-236HE2, 5 stup. MKP YaMZ-236U.
          Undermining 21kg under the wheel, 14kg under the body for testing.
          1. bask
            bask 13 January 2014 18: 22
            +1
            Quote: Aleks tv
            And the South African MRS "Kasspir" for India based on the same Urals?

            Lesch, and not only the South African.
            Streit Group, one of the largest private armored car companies in the world. Headquartered in Canada, Streit Group has its plants in the UAE, USA, Iraq, Russia, India, Jordan.
            It was founded in 1996 by Germanan Guturov (Russian or Ossetian).
            Why not attract his company, which has access to Western technology, to the development and production of armored vehicles with us.
            Typhoon - multi-purpose vehicle, on the KamAZ 4x4 chassis
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 13 January 2014 18: 36
              +1
              Quote: bask
              It was founded in 1996 by Germanan Guturov (Russian or Ossetian).

              Heh. Did not know.
              Thanks for the info, Andrew.
              Probably not allowed to go to the trough ...
          2. the47th
            the47th 14 January 2014 07: 29
            0
            Quote: Aleks tv
            For your information:
            MPAP Casspir Mk6. The cost of 350.000 Baku.
            Chassis Ural-4320, motor YaMZ-236HE2, 5 stup. MKP YaMZ-236U.
            Undermining 21kg under the wheel, 14kg under the body for testing.

            Blacks know a lot about mines.
        3. Alekseev
          Alekseev 13 January 2014 15: 57
          0
          Quote: Rustam
          In tests, the car withstood without detriment to personnel the detonation of a 21-kilogram charge under the wheel and a 14-kilogram charge under the body of the car

          Who said?
          Isn’t Nostril, who drank 17 bottles of champagne during the lunch? laughing
          Charge explosion what this perhaps not very bad car survived without what damage for l / s?
          To talk about the fact that any car has withstood without prejudice to l / s An explosion, say 21 kg of RDX, or at least TNT, can only be done by a person who has not seen the explosion and 500 gram checkers.
          If the explosion of one and a half pounds of black powder, then it can be without much damage. yes
          1. bask
            bask 13 January 2014 17: 13
            +3
            Demolition test, Ural 4320, Casspir Mr6, Mahindra demolition test 8 kg in t / e.
            Words that aren’t backed by factonly poison the air.

            Facts, Ural blast 4320, Cfsspir Mr5.
            1. 31231
              31231 13 January 2014 17: 56
              0
              Judging by the fire and puffs of smoke, either pure TNT was blown up, but judging by the distribution of shock jets - gunpowder, or something else with a low detonation speed and partial burning. A blasting explosive would have exploded. An armored car would have flown about 3 meters. We are tearing under shelters, so we have 20-24 kg of ammonite in boreholes in metal goats and in ingots in armored shells we raise an unloading 70 ton armor plate per meter and a half.
            2. 31231
              31231 13 January 2014 18: 40
              +1
              I looked now at the detailed video. My opinion is about 15 kg of TNT mixed with gunpowder.
              The shape of the bottom is certainly optimal, but if the explosion occurred under the rear axles, everything would be sadder at times. I also note that the diameter of the charge for 15-20 kg is large, because of this the impact of gases is less focused and part of the explosive burned out.
            3. Alekseev
              Alekseev 13 January 2014 20: 10
              0
              Well, video and photo is also not always a fact.
              This is more of an advertisement.
              It doesn’t give an answer to what charge they exploded. (And was the experimenter's goal to destroy the armored car? wink)
              By the way, the funnel is something like the explosion of a PT mine ...
              Although I do not argue, both the large clearance and the V-shaped bottom give a certain effect on this machine.
              And similar MRAPs are necessary for their tasks.
              But to make a miracle weapon out of them is not worth it.
              1. 31231
                31231 13 January 2014 21: 48
                0
                It doesn’t give an answer to what charge they exploded. (And was the experimenter's goal to destroy the armored car?)
                By the way, the funnel is something like the explosion of a PT mine ...


                And you take a look. There you can see the hole for the charge. It is also the size of a PT mine somewhere. And judging by the depth of the funnel, the charge was very shallow. 50-60 centimes. Maybe a couple of charges from PT min.
        4. bask
          bask 13 January 2014 17: 54
          +2
          Greetings to all.
          Rustam, of course you are right, but even this harrower ... Already a huge step forward.
          For the first time, an armored capsule is combined with a cabin in a monocoque (Typhoons are a slightly different project).
          That the Ministry of Internal Affairs BB ordered the Urals for performance characteristics, then they manufactured it.
          Quote: Rustam
          .s-the same Federal-M "on the Ural-55571 chassis, created by the" Institute of Special Equipment

          This is generally the first full-fledged MRAP in Russia that meets all the criteria of these armored vehicles.
          And most importantly, the issue price:Ural BB-10 ml, rub. Ural ,, Federal M 8-8,6 ml, rub.
          ,, Federal M ,,,must go to the troops. Relative cheapness, built on the components and assemblies of a serial truck ... And a series of purchases is not an option for hundreds of units.

        5. 31231
          31231 13 January 2014 22: 14
          +1
          Rustam, does any Mrap have a bridge on the front end, but something like a ball? Well, when undermining under the front wheel, the explosion would disrupt the wheel with the hub, and not the entire cabin.
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 13 January 2014 23: 55
      +1
      Quote: Volkhov
      The armored car program has a beautiful name - "The Punisher" with knowledge of history named the theme.


      It was high time to make such a machine. Lacking a remote-controlled module with a machine gun and AGS on the roof.
  2. 31231
    31231 13 January 2014 09: 44
    +1
    Cheap and cheerful.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 13 January 2014 10: 43
      +2
      Apparently not so "cheap", it is a pity that the price tag is not specified in the article.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 13 January 2014 11: 00
        +1
        Quote: Bongo
        Apparently not so "cheap", it is a pity that the price tag is not specified in the article.

        About 10 million. Like. Somewhere the price was called when the order was reported.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 13 January 2014 11: 08
          +2
          If in fact so, then for such a machine is not expensive. But something doubts me gnawing.
  3. ramsi
    ramsi 13 January 2014 09: 47
    +1
    gas tanks out of place, spare too
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 13 January 2014 10: 03
      +7
      quote-So, in accordance with the existing agreements, this year the Ministry of Internal Affairs internal troops will receive the first batch of new armored vehicles. Eight vehicles of the Ural-VV model will be handed over to the Ministry of the Interior and will then be delivered to the appropriate units.

      The video I upload is a bit outdated but I have not lost relevance.


      more related footage
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 13 January 2014 10: 42
        +1
        The Urals, the federal, have seen, it is turning abruptly on mines, only armored shields fly apart.
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 13 January 2014 11: 04
          +3
          Quote: cth; fyn
          The Urals, the federal, have seen, it is turning abruptly on mines, only armored shields fly apart.

          The Federal has two lineups. There are also enhanced mine protection. In the last order, they indicated with a conventional bulletproof capsule and a cabin and several pieces with mine protection.
      2. ramsi
        ramsi 13 January 2014 10: 47
        0
        nevertheless, the gas tanks had to be pushed behind the cockpit, leaving the outer armor and the "corridor" between the cockpit and the kung for the flame to escape; and the spare wheels can either be moved behind the cockpit, or made into improvised footboards at the side doors in the Ural VV version
        1. dmitrij.blyuz
          dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 14: 10
          0
          I am also confused by the location of the tank. A detonation under the front-fireworks is provided. Is it a problem to take it to the "stern", hide it and strengthen it with protection?
      3. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 13 January 2014 11: 50
        +1
        Welcome all! hi

        I personally am not a big supporter of such armored vehicles, but if the "maroon beret" says that the "Federal" was enough for them to perform their tasks, then the "Ural" VV is more than enough for them, not to mention the "Typhoon-U".
    2. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 13 January 2014 12: 00
      +2
      Normally, everything is there.
      And in cars there is no concept of "gas tank", but there is a "fuel tank" or simply "tank" as the drivers say.
      By the way, they are armored if anyone has not noticed.
      The reserve is quite conveniently located and it does not take a lot of time to take off and put it in.
      1. bask
        bask 13 January 2014 22: 29
        0
        Quote: wanderer_032
        And in cars there is no concept of "gas tank", but there is a "fuel tank" or simply "tank" as the drivers say.

        Fuel tanks on MRAP, not all have reservations.
        Screwed to the housing in such a way that after undermining, the tank will rip off the mount.
        But to book, to mask, is necessary.
        The first armor-piercing incendiary bullet of a sniper will fly, precisely into the fuel tank.
        On an armored car ... Bushmaster. A tank right under the cockpit.
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 13 January 2014 22: 49
          +1
          And if you raise the tanks outside, then one driver can’t fill the fuel from the canister (as an option you can put another 50 liters inside, at least connect it to the main system through the fuel line with a tap), if you look at the main ones, you’ll reach where you need to .Yes and they will have to be booked with thicker metal, still they will shoot there more and God forbid from RPG sadanut, then there will be a full kirdyk, diesel fuel pairs explode very well.
          And so, from below the blast wave will tear off everything.
          From my comment below. The man was also dissatisfied with the installation site of the tanks.
          1. bask
            bask 13 January 2014 23: 14
            0
            Quote: wanderer_032
            From my comment below. The man was also dissatisfied with the installation site of the tanks.

            This is where they are hidden on Cfsspir Mk2?
            One place in the V-shaped bottom.
            1. wanderer_032
              wanderer_032 13 January 2014 23: 45
              0
              Logically, but if they break through with a thread (all kinds of people are in the war), then the landing to the Lord God will catapult immediately.
  4. svp67
    svp67 13 January 2014 10: 30
    +1
    The Ural-VV armored car does not have its own weapons,
    At the current level of development of modular weapons, I think this is not a big problem ... In general, there is something in the appearance of this Urals that deserves respect ... Bravo - craftsmen from Miass !!!
  5. RUSS
    RUSS 13 January 2014 10: 33
    0
    What about Typhoon and Bear?
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 13 January 2014 11: 10
      +1
      Quote: RUSS
      What about Typhoon and Bear?

      10 Typhoon-U, a pilot batch ordered for military trials.
      "Bear", this year should finish testing, after the military will begin.
      "Scrpions" 40 were ordered, in 4 lineups, also for the military. This year should be delivered.
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 13 January 2014 12: 07
        +1
        10 Typhoons seemed to be threatened in 2013 before the end of the year, but ... silence, but the Ural-VV appeared
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 13 January 2014 14: 08
          0
          Quote: bddrus
          10 Typhoons seemed to be threatened in 2013 before the end of the year, but ... silence, but the Ural-VV appeared

          What didn’t work out, in the summer only a couple skated.
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 13 January 2014 15: 58
          +1
          [quote = bddrus] 10 Typhoons seemed to be threatened in 2013 by the end of the year, but ... silence, but the Ural-VV appeared [/ quote

          In 2013, the armed forces will receive the first pilot batch of tactical protected multipurpose vehicles Typhoon-U. They should be involved in state and military tests.
          In total, according to the Rosoboronpostavka.rf website, 30 units of this equipment should be manufactured with a total value of 1 billion 74 million rubles.
          1. bddrus
            bddrus 13 January 2014 17: 58
            +1
            in fact, I wrote about this, only briefly. but it’s obvious they will have to wait in 2014
    2. bask
      bask 13 January 2014 22: 36
      0
      Quote: RUSS
      what about "Typhoon" and "Bear"?

      Silence, in 2013.
      Here is a photo, where is the test of SMP-3,, Bear, for undermining?
      But the craters from the explosion are not visible.
  6. UzRus
    UzRus 13 January 2014 11: 49
    0
    Explosion protection declared two kilograms of TNT. - Not enough?
    1. bask
      bask 13 January 2014 22: 42
      0
      Quote: UzRus
      t explosion of two kilograms of TNT. - Not enough?

      Of course not much and very much.
      IEDs, the HEs will be much more powerful.
      At least the western Level 4b 10 kg under the body.
      Afghan 150 kg in t / e under the head machine M-ATV Oshkosh. Pieces of the machine within a radius of 100 meters. And it has a protection class of Level 3b.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 13 January 2014 22: 56
        0
        Which once again confirms my opinion that only military operations using similar equipment in this war can not do.
        First of all, it’s necessary to change the tactics of action. Otherwise, our guys (God forbid, of course) will be undermined by any crap that the bearded ones poke along roads and other convenient places and run into ambushes everywhere.
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 13 January 2014 23: 33
          0
          It might be better to give armored cars to specialists on the basis of civilian cars all the same (to mask).
          I think this will be better for the business than to be driven by "special" cars when the whole "monkey nursery" is on their ears. And the route of movement and access time will become known to the "bearded" even before the column reaches the place (and along the route they can all kinds of nasty things like IEDs, ambushes, etc. to organize to detain the convoy and hide all the bad stuff). Then they will scatter in their "reserve" and look for them where he hosh. And your whole voyage is empty zilch.
          And so he rolled up in small groups, having previously indicated the place and time of the collection (you can also make some adjustments for the good of the case). We did the job and dumped it quietly until it started. And if you need help quickly, then it's better and faster to do it on "turntables".
      2. Our
        Our 14 January 2014 15: 02
        +2
        bask (6) I noticed you are a fan of these machines.)))
  7. ICT
    ICT 13 January 2014 12: 03
    0
    Quote: UzRus
    Not enough


    in fact, it is a standard Urals, the design does not allow to achieve more
    1. bask
      bask 13 January 2014 22: 48
      0
      Quote: TIT
      standard urals, the design does not allow to achieve more

      Chassis standard Ural 4320, with reinforced chassis.
      The armored capsule is made in the form of a monocoque, along with a cabin.
      Just a special .. development.
      1. ICT
        ICT 14 January 2014 19: 33
        0
        I'm certainly not sure, but it seems that only bridges from the startdan were here. and here only an external dorobotka like this
        see visa
        1. ICT
          ICT 14 January 2014 19: 39
          0
          just materials are a little different in accordance with the tasks. chassis not changed
  8. bddrus
    bddrus 13 January 2014 12: 06
    +1
    I'm afraid that this option due to the high cost instead of Typhoon-U unfortunately ((
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 13 January 2014 12: 11
      +1
      I completely agree with you. Typhoon-U will be an order of magnitude better.
      1. bask
        bask 13 January 2014 22: 57
        +2
        Quote: wanderer_032
        I completely agree with you. Typhoon-U will be an order of magnitude better.

        Agree Wandererbut also 3 times more expensive (Typhoon U, more than $ 1 ml of cut candy wrappers).
        But Russia, a rich country must buy the best.
        The only thing that, in Typhoon, there is an Alison submachine gun, manufactured by the USA, with the ensuing consequences and an independent suspension with spring springs, developed by the Irish company Timoni. And the wheels are not ours.
        But the main thing is APK Alison, they can impose an embargo on supplies at any moment.
        Here she is not happy. am
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 13 January 2014 23: 03
          +1
          Hello Andrew, Happy New Year drinks on components depend on probable friends, there is no buzz.
          1. bask
            bask 14 January 2014 00: 58
            +2
            Quote: Alex 241
            hi, with the Old New Year on components depend on likely friends, there is no buzzing.

            Hi Sash.
            All a Happy OLD NEW YEAR !!! drinks
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 14 January 2014 01: 08
              +2
              Keep good drinks All health. Happiness and all the best!
        2. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 13 January 2014 23: 42
          +1
          You can make your GMF on the basis of this (or some thread isho) (having slightly changed what the thread is in the design) and truncated. For the first time, that's enough, and there you look and your own will appear.
          China blurs and Nichrome with them can not do anything.
          At the extreme, buy a production license, let them choke.
  9. AVV
    AVV 13 January 2014 12: 27
    +2
    Quote: Russ69
    Quote: Asgard
    But in general, the Ural plant is spreading rot, the army practically refused to purchase the chassis, all orders go to the Kamaz chassis ...

    Nobody refused "Uralov", hundreds of them are transferred to the army. About "Kamaz", they just talk more often, and their line is higher.
    At the end of the year, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, by the way, ordered another 52 Federals.

    We need to offer to Cuba and Venezuela! They love this car there !!!
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 13 January 2014 14: 10
      +2
      Quote: AVV
      We need to offer to Cuba and Venezuela! They love this car there !!!

      Ural's exports are quite successful, including to Venezuela.
    2. bask
      bask 13 January 2014 23: 01
      0
      Quote: AVV
      We need to offer to Cuba and Venezuela! They love this car there !!!

      MRAP-This is, above all, a counter-guerrilla anti-terrorist armored vehicle.
      Why is she to the Cubans?
  10. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 13 January 2014 12: 53
    +2
    I personally am not a big supporter of such armored vehicles.
    I will explain why.
    Terrorists in the Caucasus (and around the world where there are local conflicts of a similar nature) have already developed tactics for undermining and ambush, taking into account the use of such technology.
    And if they set out to blow up something or attack something, they do it, despite the difficulties associated with the organization and execution of such "events".
    The losses (common) that our country incurs are not reduced. The introduction of such equipment will not stop them, but only change their tactics.
    It is necessary to work in advance of their actions, to knock out other more important links in this chain (these are completely different methods and tactics of action). Thus, seize the initiative and win (in fact, for more than 20 years there has been a war taking the lives of our best fighters, sucking out the money and resources of the country, and there is no end to it, it’s time to put an end to this once and for all ) preventing the actions of terrorists by shutting off oxygen to them, saving our country from this plague.
    And the introduction of such equipment and other similar measures suggests that our security forces are working in the fire brigade mode, that is, they are scooping up the consequences and lagging behind, while the terrorists are one step ahead.
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  11. tchoni
    tchoni 13 January 2014 13: 39
    +2
    Interesting. I look at the last photo of the article and notice with surprise: the fighter’s seat is set so that he sits with the back of his head to the window. The meaning of this window? spend money? the meaning of the window is to provide an overview, and not to make it easier for a sniper to shoot the back of his head ....
    However, this is just in the spirit of our designers. To do it as easy and as "the machine park allows".
    And, for now, the normal weapons ordering system will not work - garbage will continue.
  12. operator35
    operator35 13 January 2014 13: 46
    +1
    I was always interested, maybe someone who knows will answer, why do our fools always make chairs facing each other ????
    1. operator35
      operator35 13 January 2014 14: 20
      +2
      Th minuses to put, you can answer ??????? YOU yourself then who put a minus tried for example from the "predator" to shoot ??? I tried it, and now I looked at the body of this miracle and I ask, why ??? I'm interested in the idea of ​​designers, why not put the seats facing the sides ???
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 13 January 2014 14: 55
        0
        I am not special, but there are only three options: everyone is sitting facing inward, and they are shooting when they turn and knee up on the seat; either everyone is sitting in the center with their backs to each other, but then there is no central passage. If you put everyone on board, face down, then there are not enough places, although it may be most convenient
        1. operator35
          operator35 13 January 2014 15: 19
          0
          Dear Igor, I personally see the second option as an amateur.
          1. ramsi
            ramsi 13 January 2014 15: 31
            0
            not so indisputable; firstly, it's cramped, you can't stick a wounded person; secondly, it’s all the same, it’s not convenient to shoot - you have to reach for the loophole (if you put them) through the passage through which you climbed; thirdly, with a "successful" detonation, everyone will get it.
          2. tchoni
            tchoni 13 January 2014 15: 32
            +1
            the main advantage of the "face-to-board" position is the ability to observe. The sooner you notice something incomprehensible - you will live longer. Because of this, the tents were also removed.
            1. ramsi
              ramsi 13 January 2014 16: 07
              0
              Well, how will you observe: through loopholes? or leaning out of the hatches? ..
              1. operator35
                operator35 13 January 2014 16: 20
                0
                Igor, you are sorry for the question, have you participated in many operations using similar equipment ???
                1. ramsi
                  ramsi 13 January 2014 16: 25
                  0
                  I’m generally shtafirka, but it would be interesting to compare my ideas and realities
                  1. operator35
                    operator35 13 January 2014 16: 44
                    +2
                    I’ll just answer as I personally understand, I think the location of the loopholes is not convenient, since ours are made in such a way that it is difficult to aim, Westerners, for example, in such cases only shoot with tracers, but this is again a million bullets per dead body. second, in armor there is always a problem with ventilation — if two machine guns work in a predator - after 10 minutes there is nothing to breathe there, but in the article about ventilation I didn’t see anything at all. air conditioning is good, but ventilation is very powerful. I think that the seats should stand in the center of the body with their backs to each other, so it’s more convenient if you have to shoot back — you don’t shoot much when you knee on the chair, so it’ll be more convenient to shoot if nothing gets in the way. if necessary, the wounded will always be thrown into the body and positioned conveniently — enough space. and one more thing, judging by the photo, they’re not very awesome, it’s a minus-if you just sit down at the reception in the stripes, everything’s ok, but the guys are in armor, some of them are lacking in money and equipment -RPS are worn over the armor — they won’t be able to sit there for a long time. As far as I talked with my Western colleagues, they generally take off their seats and sit on the floor. The fact is that this car will not stand a good explosion and there will be a vinaigrette. so guys will still be fastened or not. as far as I know, this crap keeps tough explosions, it only tears the bridges off and saw the guy’s maximum breaking legs from a blow.
                    but this is a special order. why do not we want to think. they try to hang everything on the old and immediately and ready. it doesn’t work out, you need a system and approach. I apologize if I offended anyone, this is a personal opinion and I would like to hear the opinion of people who are in the subject of this machine.
                    1. uhjpysq1
                      uhjpysq1 13 January 2014 20: 11
                      0
                      ) Throw seats and cover the floor with mattresses. Beauty)
  13. La-5
    La-5 13 January 2014 13: 52
    0
    Good pakemon.
  14. dmitrij.blyuz
    dmitrij.blyuz 13 January 2014 14: 17
    +1
    Quote: wanderer_032
    Normally, everything is there.
    And in cars there is no concept of "gas tank", but there is a "fuel tank" or simply "tank" as the drivers say.
    By the way, they are armored if anyone has not noticed.
    The reserve is quite conveniently located and it does not take a lot of time to take off and put it in.

    Even if the tank is armored. What force is it designed to undermine? I do not think that he will remain in place after kilograms of 3 TNT. And the reserve, it’ll just be all in the holes at the first shelling.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 13 January 2014 18: 24
      +1
      Duc, from the outside, wherever you put it in the holes, the reserve will also be the same (when fired, I am silent about the bombing) unless you drag it inside, throwing smart shock-absorbing seats.
      At Kasspira I liked that there are two of them there (at least one can survive), but it’s painful to squirm (without a winch it’s not possible at all (and if it will damage it in battle?)), Such a complete wheel is about 160 kg. It weighs. So on the BB-shke, the spare wheel is more or less convenient (a couple of people will be able to shorten it in case of something).

      And if you raise the tanks outside, then one driver can’t fill the fuel from the canister (as an option you can put another 50 liters inside, at least connect it to the main system through the fuel line with a tap), if you look at the main ones, you’ll reach where you need to .Yes and they will have to be booked with thicker metal, still they will shoot there more and God forbid from RPG sadanut, then there will be a full kirdyk, diesel fuel pairs explode very well.
      And so, from below the blast wave will tear off everything.
  15. Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 13 January 2014 14: 28
    +1
    I agree with the Wanderer, it’s possible to go to scumbags, to spend a damn cloud of money on them, but this doesn’t hurt to bury 10kg or more explosives, it will also fly apart ...
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 13 January 2014 14: 58
      0
      You first find it - 10 kg and deliver it, and dig a hole under it imperceptibly. A normal MCI - and 50 kg will be drawn out if it is a cloudless and anti-tank mine.
      The wanderer, of course, is right. It is necessary to chop the root, and not tear the leaves - here and object nefig, but until you get to the root .......

      Bylob is not needed, no one would do log protection ...
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 13 January 2014 15: 43
        +3
        Quote: CruorVult
        it’s possible to go to scumbags, to spend a damn cloud of money on them, but this doesn’t hurt to bury 10kg and more explosives, it will also fly apart ...

        Eugene:
        - write a report and go to serve in the Caucasus and ride in ordinary Urals.
        - or send your son to serve there as a carrier of the simple Urals.

        Or is protection still needed?
        1. tchoni
          tchoni 13 January 2014 16: 10
          +3
          Here, some comrades are of the opinion that armoring a vehicle for transporting personnel is worthless. Well, they’ll break anything and blow it up, but if you need 10 kilos of TNT to blow up a vehicle (for example), then only 10 cars can be blown up with 2 kilograms, and if 5 - then XNUMX - a small column is obtained, but if without armor - then the kid can indulge - steals a grenade from the folder or buys it where and on the side of the tree he adds - a simple tented ural goes by - bang - the floor of the body is wounded, who, if not lucky, is killed, and who just crap.
          Therefore, armor and mine protection - a clear yes. The main thing to confuse is to introduce such vehicles into the state and saturate the troops with them.
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 13 January 2014 18: 42
            +1
            So this is what needs to be done so that neither the boys nor his folder (uncle, godfather, son-in-law, matchmaker, etc. characters) simply have anything like that.
            It is necessary to shake uncles who sells it right-to-left, and who gives money for such things and brains for gazavat to the local population is washed out (enti agitators are the most dangerous and most foul).
            But you need to do it quietly without too much noise.
            And then we read in the latest news that the uncle who sold the rattles and the trellis died quietly from some thread of the disease, and the one who gave the lobster money at the resort choked accidentally, but they didn’t bring him to the hospital (he died on the way), and the one who agitated prayed heavily diligently and forehead accidentally hit the floor so he died. And we rejoice. And most importantly, everything is quiet.
            I think that such actions are more useful than hundreds of MDIs.
  16. hitech
    hitech 13 January 2014 15: 09
    +4
    And what are you here minus criticism? All comments were made in the case. From the fact that you are minus here, there are no pluses to the dignity of this model.
    1. operator35
      operator35 13 January 2014 15: 17
      +3
      Well, the opinion of the critics does not coincide with the opinion of the "great designers and military personnel"))) how else to express your "I" - of course a minus
      hi
  17. hitech
    hitech 13 January 2014 15: 21
    +3
    That yes smileespecially infuriates when, because of such "great" designers, you have to experience all the inconveniences and disadvantages on your own skin ... I apologize for the "advantages and innovations" of the "know-how".
    1. operator35
      operator35 13 January 2014 16: 25
      +1
      You are an adult and smart man, you understand that we are not writing for pros or cons, but to share opinions, knowledge and ideas. and they will put minuses or pluses to us - we will still write, communicate. and some people think that evaluating the commentary is important, only such citizens as a rule don’t have their own personal opinions and they cannot defend it or discuss it with the opponent reasonably .. shorter than cowards by nature, and I’m not interested in talking with them, they are dumber and weaker obviously ....
  18. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 13 January 2014 16: 14
    +1
    The Yugoslavs did something similar during the war in Kosovo:





    All photos taken:
    http://shushpanzer-ru.livejournal.com/1771747.html
  19. tchoni
    tchoni 13 January 2014 16: 18
    +4
    The picture is battered, but it, like nothing else, illustrates the need for MRAAP in the troops.
    It is possible that they needed something different from what the Uralovites did, and at the wrong price, but the "federal" was also welcomed.
  20. darksidewarrior
    darksidewarrior 13 January 2014 16: 24
    0
    There is Pinocchio. And such a truck Mona and Papa Carlo call. Vote.
  21. Clueless
    Clueless 13 January 2014 16: 25
    +3
    Gentlemen, this is not an armored car, but a vehicle for transporting personnel, which has armor and mine protection. He does not walk in a convoy without a guard. And in the convoy, the front and rear cars will be first blown up, then what has a cannon or a heavy machine gun, so this vehicle is enough for the soldiers.

    The truth is that I didn’t see the stove in it and Kondeya, I hope they don’t do it through the opu.

    p / s / Kamazs go to the army instead of gas 66x and zil, and the Urals still carry and carry something heavy. Yes, and they are easier to maintain than KAMAZ.
  22. tchoni
    tchoni 13 January 2014 22: 12
    0
    Well I do not know. I didn’t order it. Probably the VVshniki knew what they were asking, although it was not clear what the basic bear with the plug-in module in the back did not please, but the master was the master. However, the location of the paratroopers, covering the back of the head with windows, is no good, and the mine resistance of 2 kilos of TNT - only from the very grenade, about which I spoke a little above, and take refuge.
    And about the fact that they are tearing the first and last and then all that with the guns - this is what the ambush task is: if the column is soaked completely - then yes - it will, but most likely it will not be repelled from this kind of ambush ...
    But if the purpose of the ambush is a petty dirty trick with lethal consequences - then yes, they’ll rush right under the truck with the fighters, they will wait until all the medical commanders and other curious ones run away, and even get fucked out of something. here it’s better to have mine resistance, and what would I protect against RPG, at least from the old ones — it’s already good. The fewer corpses in the body - the better, and less fuss.
    To increase the mine resistance of this vehicle to a level that allows it to survive the detonation of a projectile from self-propelled guns and an anti-tank mine, + conjure it with an airborne landing - so that the all-round visibility is constant - and digestible. And if you also hang on the side screens - generally tsimes. But, as I understand it, about screens - this work will be left to the battalion zampotechs ...
    But great mine resistance and protection against RPGs are balls ... balls, so we’ll eat what they give.
  23. bublic82009
    bublic82009 13 January 2014 22: 17
    -1
    and for what tasks is such a machine created? unclear
  24. Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 14 January 2014 08: 21
    0
    The extremes are inherent in the Sith, as they say. By no means do I claim that the armor should not, but whether it’s always easier to detonate than to build it, the difference is 10k and even 100k times, if you have only snacks that hold 6kg, then they will not bury 6, but 10 already fifteen. There are other measures, the 15st century, it is quite possible to monitor the right direction, at night you can see on the thermal imaging camera that someone is plowing along the road, all greetings from artillery.
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 14 January 2014 18: 07
      0
      Crime prevention is always better than solving it. Nobody argues. But, those who mine are the same people. And explosives on the hump are usually dragged. And usually several kilometers (sometimes tens) are stomped to the venue. Which is easier - drag 2 kilos or 10? and if the productions need 3-4?
      So mine resistance is one way to make life difficult for various pyrotechnics foolish.
      1. Cruorvult
        Cruorvult 15 January 2014 07: 37
        +1
        You are undoubtedly right, but no one makes you yearn for the TNT equivalent, taking into account the cost of mraps for lemon bucks, you can go bankrupt for example. I don’t argue that mine protection is not needed, just you don’t have to bend the stick, but work in other directions :)
      2. Cruorvult
        Cruorvult 15 January 2014 07: 37
        0
        You are undoubtedly right, but no one makes you yearn for the TNT equivalent, taking into account the cost of mraps for lemon bucks, you can go bankrupt for example. I don’t argue that mine protection is not needed, just you don’t have to bend the stick, but work in other directions :)
        1. tchoni
          tchoni 15 January 2014 10: 22
          0
          I agree. The problem should be addressed comprehensively. For all kinds of partisan formations are alive as long as there is supply.
          Therefore, on the one hand, it is necessary to hit the supply routes (and this is the main direction of work), and on the other hand, to complicate the life of all sorts of demolitions (more and more, let's say, "refined" explosives must be obtained - the more difficult their life is).
          A huge plus of the "federal" is that with a relatively low cost, it allows you to hide personnel from a solid part of the striking facts during shelling.
          Personnel, I think. should only be carried on armor.
  25. alexmaneger
    alexmaneger 14 January 2014 20: 04
    0
    Fed to a Georgian company.
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 15 January 2014 10: 10
      0
      What about the crew?
      1. alexmaneger
        alexmaneger 15 January 2014 14: 43
        0
        The armored truck URAL of the 58th Army lost its way and was captured during a night march through the territory of Georgia. The crew (two sappers) returned to Russia after the exchange of prisoners of war, but the URAL could not be caught "alive" - ​​it was dismantled for parts by Georgian soldiers and locals.
  26. kav669
    kav669 15 January 2014 14: 53
    0
    The guys will be happy with such a car.
  27. reader1964
    reader1964 April 1 2014 09: 39
    -1
    I think we already had something like that