The air forces of the leading countries of the world reduce the number of flight hours, we go to their level ...

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The air forces of the leading countries of the world reduce the number of flight hours, we go to their level ...


The reduction in the defense budget of the United States forced to almost halve the number of flight hours, many pilots fly only 120 hours per year (an hour costs an average of 20 thousand dollars), reports aereo.jor.br 9 in January.

In 2013, France also reduced the number of flight hours from 180 to 150 (a reduction of 17%). In the case of a military operation, pilots with less flying time will receive intensive training for 60-90 days (100 hours).

In 1990, Russia also introduced a two-tier system for training pilots with a large use of simulators (employment on it is 10% of the cost of an hour flight in a fighter).

The most experienced pilots are Israel, the United States, the United Kingdom and Canada, where the number of raids per pilot reaches 200 hours. The Taiwan Air Force maintains an average of 180 hours due to an increase in the level of training of Chinese military pilots. Some elite Chinese fighter squadrons already have 180 flying hours per year. The level of South Korea is 120 hours per year, which is much more than that of its rival, the North Korean Air Force.

Before 1942, the most experienced pilots were German pilots who had an annual 240 hours flight (British - 200 hours). After 1942, due to fuel shortages, the flight time was significantly reduced, which led to the beginning of the loss of air dominance. At the same time, the annual flight time of the British pilots was increased to 335 hours, the Americans, on average, flew 320 hours. In 1944, the German pilots raid fell to 110 hours. That accelerated the defeat of the Luftwaffe
"Military Parity"

Good news under these conditions is that our air force is increasing flight training. And already on the fly close to the level of world powers.
From Wiki: According to official figures from the Russian Ministry of Defense, the average raid per combat pilot aviation The Russian Air Force has grown since 2008 from 70-80 hours to 110-in 2011, 130 hours are planned in 2012.

The average flight time of a young pilot in 2013 was 112 hours.
"It is important that about 2013 cool specialists were trained in 1500, including more than 10 officers received a pilot sniper qualification, and more than 1 officers received a pilot-class 320 pilot," the press service noted.

The result of this work was the successful participation of the Air Force flight crews in the large-scale joint Russian-Belarusian strategic exercise “Zapad-2013”, the tasks within the framework of the “Interaction-2013”, “Vigilant Sky-2013”, “Vigilant Eagle-2013”, “Fighting Commonwealth-2013. In August, 2013 was a joint Russian-French tactical flight training of the Air Force.
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Air Force in the exercises of the armed forces of Russia and Belarus "West-2013"
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  1. Volkhov
    -19
    11 January 2014 07: 38
    In August 2013, a joint Russian-French air tactical training exercise was held.

    This is to Tuareg bomb together in Africa.
    They took money from the Russians, spent on airplanes and kerosene, bombed whites in the Sahara for the sake of blacks - when to rejoice?
    1. +10
      11 January 2014 08: 39
      The nice thing is that we reach the level of Western countries not only because they fly less, but also because we spend more time in the air.

      The raids increased from 70 hours to 120 hours, moreover, in NATo the raid is considered to be from landing in the cabin, and in the Russian Federation from rising into the air.
      1. +4
        11 January 2014 15: 38
        Well, all you have to do is adjust, count from landing in the cockpit, and then pick at least in the nose.
        1. +4
          12 January 2014 05: 05
          it's like in factories, the checkpoint passed, the shift went !!! laughing little fly, little ....
      2. Volkhov
        -8
        12 January 2014 08: 15
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        The raids increased from 70 hours to 120 hours,

        It’s not about training athletes, these are military pilots and you need to see the whole situation.
        For example, I have 38 parachute jumps and experience has been growing, but if you jump on an anti-aircraft machine gun, it makes no difference - the first and any other jump will end the same way.
        Now another technique, the enemy’s beam weapons and a pilot with any attack will come to the same result. Take a piece of skin, put it in the accelerator and there will be a hole ... it is not at all necessary to check this with hundreds of pilots.
        No need to jump on a machine gun, no need to fly where superior technology works - you have to tackle the mind. They created scientific companies, in a year they will catch up with Tesla and defeat everyone ... or they will understand that you need to think first and fight only as a last resort.
        1. rolik
          +5
          12 January 2014 16: 50
          Quote: Volkhov
          they will catch Tesla in a year and defeat everyone ....

          Have you smoked something ????? Judging by the comments ... they smoked well
          1. +6
            12 January 2014 16: 55
            Quote: rolik
            Quote: Volkhov
            they will catch Tesla in a year and defeat everyone ....
            Have you smoked something ????? Judging by the comments ... they smoked well

            He’s a good man ...
            Boredom without him ... wassat
            1. Volkhov
              -1
              12 January 2014 23: 14
              For entertainment: http://pleskov.com/?p=32277
              Determine why the ice creeps ashore without wind and how this is associated with an increase in the air attack of the Russian Federation.
              1. rolik
                +1
                12 January 2014 23: 35
                Quote: Volkhov
                Determine why the ice creeps ashore without wind and how this is associated with an increase in the air attack of the Russian Federation.

                As old Sherlock said:
                -Elementary Watson!!!!
                There was ice above, then the water warmed up sharply. Plus, a strong breeze blows in the direction of the houses of the unfortunate Pinocchio. Here he drove this ice slush to their rapids, and since the banks are gentle and there is a lot of ice, the result is ice in front of the water. Water will follow, as part of the ice should melt and raise the water level.
                Well, how is this connected with our pilots. I think that one of them watched this report)))))
                1. Volkhov
                  -2
                  13 January 2014 00: 38
                  There is no wind there, the coast with a rise. Pay attention to the ice structure and intermittent movement. This is part of the global process, which is the reason for preparing for war and, accordingly, an increase in air raids.
                  1. Alex 241
                    +1
                    13 January 2014 00: 41
                    A shocking tsunami of ice hit the center of Canada and the northern United States, forcing residents to leave their homes in a panic.

                    Ice waves came ashore, like a slow frozen tsunami, passing through the lawns and reaching the coastal houses.

                    The icy tsunami was caused by a strong wind, which reached a speed of 60 km per hour, and rose from the southern coast of Lake Mille Lax - the second largest lake in Minnesota, USA.

                    A similar event occurred on Friday in the Canadian province of Manitoba, where the wind picked up piles of ice in Lake Dauphin, destroying 6 houses and damaging about 14. Miraculously, none of the residents were injured. People told that they heard a sound similar to the sound of a passing train and in the blink of an eye ice filled the houses.

                    A layer of ice covered 16 km of the coastline and reached a height of 9 meters, damaging the doors and windows of houses.

                    A state of emergency was declared in the province, and residents were evacuated. For many, this has become an even more dramatic event, as many houses have only recently been restored after flooding in 2011.
                    1. Volkhov
                      -1
                      13 January 2014 01: 26
                      The wind is in the text, there is no wind in the video of the creeping ice.
                      Even the wind of 50 m / s (in Kamchatka) people rolled on the ice, but the ice itself did not move.
                      May Physics come with you ...
    2. +1
      11 January 2014 12: 37
      Still with a light fighter, our air force would solve the problem would be great. And more combat aircraft in the article about the appearance of the air force 2020 generally only 2000 la is castration, I hope the rate of release will increase, at least we should have 4000 la, more BTA, air tankers, and fighters with drones. soldier soldier soldier soldier soldier soldier soldier soldier soldier soldier soldier soldier
      1. +2
        11 January 2014 14: 38
        Absolutely agree!
        Finally, flight training has become better, right?
        And as for the light fighter, yes, the sore subject is very sore.
        That would be a light MiG fighter and all nishtyak would have been pulled up, but the development should be started as early as possible! Well, it seems that we don’t have an engine that would have enough thrust for one light fighter, huh?
        Maybe I'm wrong ...
        -but sure I'm not mistaken about the fact that we NECESSARY light fighter!
        1. +2
          11 January 2014 15: 00
          Yes, it’s not worth worrying about flight training, the main thing is that they pay normally, otherwise everyone will go to civilian, well, this applies more to BTA pilots. About light, I think they will create the fifth generation, maybe less than T 50, but MIG 35 if it is, then a small series, obviously not in 1000 pcs. which we need at least.
      2. +3
        11 January 2014 16: 46
        Quote: Army1
        Still with a light fighter, our air force would solve the problem would be great. And more combat aircraft in the article about the appearance of the 2020 air force in general, all 2000 la is castration, I hope the release rate will increase,

        Rather not "castration", but a statement of the state of affairs. Estimated now in combat strength of about 2000-2300 aircraft. How much of this is flightable is another question.
        75 percent is subject to updating - about 1600-1700 LA. In the current situation, if the plans are fulfilled - an unprecedented success.
      3. Volkhov
        0
        12 January 2014 01: 16
        Quote: Army1
        More BTAs, air tankers, and Fighter aircraft with drones.

        But why?
        To like with the fleet?
        Some glass hr. better not to give. Brains then did not enter the army.
        1. Alex 241
          +3
          12 January 2014 01: 21
          Quote: Volkhov
          Some glass hr. better not to give
          In the original, it sounds like this: glass XP is not a fool for long!
          1. Volkhov
            +2
            12 January 2014 01: 37
            A monkey walks through the jungle, sees a coconut, begins to shake a palm tree ...
            voice from heaven - think monkey ... monkey took a stick, hit a coconut
            there comes the ensign, begins to shake the palm ... think, ensign ...
            ... And what is there to think - you need to shake!
  2. makarov
    +9
    11 January 2014 07: 40
    In 1944, German pilots fell to 110 hours, which accelerated the defeat of the Luftwaffe ..... According to the official data of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the average flight per pilot of the Russian Air Force has grown from 2008 from 70–80 hours to 110 in 2011, 130 hours are planned for 2012. The average flight time of a young pilot in 2013 was 112 hours.

    In accordance with the author’s calculations, there are no good indicators yet, but they are striving for them. soldier
    1. 0
      12 January 2014 11: 30
      And the backlash simulators nebylo. Before writing, you would think with your head.
  3. +6
    11 January 2014 07: 42
    The appearance of drones is another factor influencing this matter.
    1. +4
      11 January 2014 10: 55
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      The appearance of drones is another factor influencing this matter.

      In close maneuvering combat, UAVs for a long time do not equal the human pilot in the cockpit, IMHO ...
      1. +2
        11 January 2014 11: 56
        Quote: Nick
        In close maneuvering combat, UAVs for a long time do not equal the human pilot in the cockpit, IMHO ...

        It is likely, dear colleague ...
        Although, on the other hand, the UAV will act according to the inherent combat algorithms, they will be uncountable and they will be improved at an alarming rate.
        Recall the chess epic between a person and a computer. Wait, chess software almost always beats a person ...

        Of course, it is not possible to comprehend the non-standard reaction of an experienced pilot to a computer, but that will be a rare case.
        Although...
        I remember the stories of Akimenkov (Test Pilot, participant in real air battles in Egypt) about the mystical merger of a car with a man and the discovery of supernatural abilities in critical situations, which in the case of a UAV will not really last very long ...
        1. Platov
          +1
          11 January 2014 12: 49
          The rules of the game of chess 1000 times easier than playing a war game.
          1. +2
            11 January 2014 15: 48
            Quote: PLATOV
            The rules of the game of chess 1000 times easier than playing a war game.

            In terms of cybernetic miscalculation options - NO.
            Today's gain of human machines has become due to the speed of computing, inaccessible 10-15 years ago.
        2. rolik
          0
          12 January 2014 16: 54
          Quote: Rus2012
          Recall the chess epic between a person and a computer. Wait, chess software almost always beats a person ...

          All chess combinations are already known. In this dispute, man is always mistaken. But where improvisation is needed, no algorithms (existing) will help
      2. AVV
        +1
        11 January 2014 12: 00
        Yes, it’s problematic to replace an airplane pilot with a drone, and it will be so for a very long time !!!
      3. +2
        11 January 2014 15: 44
        Quote: Nick
        In close maneuverable UAV combat

        For effective combat with UAVs, you need to rely on mobile high-precision long-range air defense systems, the size of "UAZ", or better MANPADS.
        And also pay more attention to incapacitation / taking under control / jamming at the level of telemetry and other "electronic stuffing". Even with pre-installed (along the border perimeter) devices without human intervention.
        UAVs will eventually turn into a "mosquito fleet", and use expensive manned aircraft at small targets and a large number of them - this is firing at a mosquito swarm.
        Also IMHO ....
      4. +1
        11 January 2014 15: 47
        Quote: Nick
        In close maneuverable combat, UAVs will not be equal for a long time with a human pilot in the cockpit.

        And there will be no battle — rapprochement to the distance of missile launch, launch and departure. Efficiency will depend on who will notice faster and the launch range. When did we have the last maneuver battle?
        1. rolik
          +1
          12 January 2014 16: 56
          Quote: Pilat2009
          And there will be no battle — rapprochement to the distance of missile launch, launch and departure. Efficiency will depend on who will notice faster and the launch range. When did we have the last maneuver battle?

          Mattresses also thought so. So far, in Vietnam they have not been proven the opposite. If the rocket does not hit the target, it ends in a dog dump.
      5. 0
        11 January 2014 22: 37
        In close combat maneuvers, an UAV’s advantage is precisely that - it will be able to depict such maneuvers that a person will not be able to withstand physically.
        1. +2
          12 January 2014 05: 10
          but drones have no intuition and unpredictability hi
          1. dmitrij.blyuz
            +1
            12 January 2014 05: 31
            It’s also true! However, the drones are controlled by an operator from the ground. I don’t think that he has a 360 view. The display will never replace a combat pilot.
        2. dmitrij.blyuz
          +1
          12 January 2014 05: 36
          In order to portray certain maneuvers, drones need to be done in essence, such as the Su-35. None of the drones at the moment can boast of maneuverability. Yes and not their thing. Exploration, point targets is yes. An air battle is for them, this is an area of ​​fiction.
          1. 0
            14 January 2014 03: 21
            Air combat in modern aviation is fantastic. Yes, the Americans said that too and screwed up, but that was only 40 years ago. On the Su-35, as on a normal plane, the gun is tightly screwed to the hull - it itself does not know how to aim. She has 150 rounds of ammunition and a rate of fire of 1500 rounds / min. The speed of a bullet is 900 m / s, 25 bullets per second are fired, in 1/25 sec a bullet flies 36 m, which means that the distance between two consecutive fired bullets is 36 m, of course in the corresponding projection. Even if one of the opponents fell into the tail to the other, that is already a feat, given the development of missiles and radars for those 40 years that have passed since Vietnam. Even then, modern airplanes are too fast and maneuverable, and we aim while steering a 25-ton colossus, and accordingly we will not be able to drop the entire line (6 seconds) at one point. Although the Su-35 is more maneuverable than any American aircraft, overloads arising at the same time, and also considering that the enemy is desperately maneuvering, it will be practically impossible to keep it in sight for at least a second. So in any case, you have to shoot with a fan hoping to hit the enemy with at least part of the bullets. Here the model becomes too complicated for me, but the angular velocities along with their vector and rate of change will obviously be large - the angles there will be well-heeled, which means that the distance between the bullets in the projection of the target will at least be less than 36 m. So hit the target, the maximum projection of which is 22 by 14 m with bullets, the distance between which tends to 36 m. But in order to incapacitate an aircraft, hit must be either in the engine (and that will remain second), or in the pilot. And the gun’s automation is configured not for one long queue but for several small ones. What is the probability of knocking someone down?
            They put guns on modern airplanes so that if something happens they could shoot on the ground - now there are no more clean fighters, but light armored vehicles and fortified bunkers in bulk. Border violator at the rate of fire. Flash a row of aircraft at the airport. On ships, in extreme cases, shoot. But certainly not for aerial combat.
  4. +12
    11 January 2014 08: 01
    Compared to what happened in the 90's and the beginning of the 2000's, our aviation took a huge step forward.
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    2. +10
      11 January 2014 08: 18
      Compared with what was in the 90s and early 2000s, our aviation took a huge step forward. [/ Quote]
      If this is a step forward, and even a huge one, then why the previous raid of Soviet pilots (the normal raid of an instructor in Syzran in 1964 was 250 hours) cannot be called outstanding.
      1. 0
        11 January 2014 13: 24
        Quote: valokordin
        If this is a step forward, and even a huge one, then why the previous raid of Soviet pilots (the normal raid of an instructor in Syzran in 1964 was 250 hours) cannot be called outstanding.


        You cited a man’s quote and immediately cross-checked it, and here the raid in 1964 of the Soviet pilot before the quote: what happened in the 90s and early 2000s
      2. +5
        11 January 2014 15: 51
        ... then why the previous raid of Soviet pilots (the normal raid of an instructor in Syzran in 1964 was 250 hours.) cannot be called outstanding.


        I remembered the old question-answer - "Whose pilots are the best
        ours or ...? "and the answer is" Those that fly more. "
        Why compare with the 90s, when the pilots did not fly at all due to the lack of kerosene. And this is in the oil producing country.
        It is better to compare with the Soviet years, they should be guidelines when we had 70 flight shifts (3 hours) per week in the Trans-Baikal combat regiment in the mid-8s, 3 flight-departure planes (MIG-21) with a duration of Departure 1 hour 10 minutes. For pilots, the monthly raid was not less than 25 hours, and for some it turned out under 30. So consider the annual raid minus 2 vacation months - 250-300 hours.
        Here is the minimum when the pilot becomes a cool pilot, ready to show and prove his skills.
      3. +1
        11 January 2014 16: 28
        Quote: valokordin
        about why the previous raid of Soviet pilots (the normal raid of an instructor in Syzran in 1964 was 250 hours) cannot be called outstanding.

        So you have to not just fly, swinging your wings, but also perform combat exercises, use weapons + master new techniques. Agree, the raid on the "Corn" and the attack aircraft are slightly different
  5. +15
    11 January 2014 08: 03
    For Russia, finally, it is shameful to rely on a lack of fuel
    1. +7
      11 January 2014 09: 02
      Quote: Sasha_Bykov
      For Russia, finally, it is shameful to rely on a lack of fuel

      The cost of a flight hour is not only the salary of the pilot and the cost of fuel.
      This is only a fraction of the total costs.
    2. +4
      11 January 2014 12: 33
      Quote: Sasha_Bykov
      For Russia, finally, it is shameful to rely on a lack of fuel

      It’s not a matter of fuel, but a state of technology. A resource is cherished ...
      1. +1
        11 January 2014 13: 59
        Quote: Nayhas

        It’s not a matter of fuel, but a state of technology. A resource is cherished ...


        If only on new planes .. On the old, there’s nothing to save, one is dismantled for the purpose of raising the second into the air, then vice versa ...
  6. dmitrij.blyuz
    +7
    11 January 2014 08: 45
    In the 90s, when the planes were without fuel, we were lucky. Fuel was unmeasured. Even shared with the fraternal squadron of Kansk. They flew 3 days a week. But they did not need steel. They formed 97 helicopters in 12th. 5 of them were scrapped , the rest are in fraternal squadrons-Uzhur, Kansk.
  7. +6
    11 January 2014 08: 45
    Quote: Sasha_Bykov
    For Russia, finally, it is shameful to rely on a lack of fuel

    Fuel is full ..
    What to fly on? The numbers on the number of aircraft repaired, new, old, but maintained in good condition are beautiful, but we won’t start flying ...
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      +4
      11 January 2014 08: 59
      Campaign, will fly soon on what. Only who will fly? Armaments of nemeryano-specialists are few. It is possible that the time will come when there is equipment, and there is no one to work with it (God forbid, of course. All the same, it's not fun.
      1. +8
        11 January 2014 09: 11
        Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
        Campaign, will fly soon on what.

        Well, at such a pace of supply of new aircraft when the decrease exceeds supply, it may not come soon ...
        1. dmitrij.blyuz
          +7
          11 January 2014 09: 45
          My respect. How to say. Technicians, all the same, will be immeasurable. But, over the past two years, upon admission to flight schools, for health reasons, only in our region, out of 874 candidates, 822 were hacked with a honey. Tsyfiri is not from fantasy. Wife in commission.
          1. +6
            11 January 2014 09: 54
            The question is when the equipment will be unmeasured? The decline exceeds production!
            3 years of general admission to the school was not that the pilots that those composition is not enough fact! Yes, and those wishing to serve at the airport are somehow less and less, they are trying to get closer to the headquarters and warehouses ....
            1. dmitrij.blyuz
              +5
              11 January 2014 10: 07
              MO contracts speak for themselves. But this is not the case. A cadet turns out to be a good (not excellent) pilot in 7 years! Provided that the flight time is at least 120 hours. From a cadet of a technical university (which I myself am), a minimum of 3 years. Not only to know the car, and to live it, one must still add 5 years. Technicians do not just know the car. They feel it like a beloved woman.
              1. +3
                11 January 2014 14: 02
                Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
                .From a cadet of a technical university (which I myself am) -a minimum of 3 years. In order not only to know the car, but to live it, one must also add 5 years. Technicians do not just know. They feel her like a beloved woman.

                Yes, now there are shots such that they fly out in 2-3 years (technical staff), they read in the outfit anywhere but not on the central heating center! And as a rule, by all means, they try to screw concrete ...
                1. dmitrij.blyuz
                  +2
                  12 January 2014 01: 23
                  Quote: serviceman.
                  Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
                  .From a cadet of a technical university (which I myself am) -a minimum of 3 years. In order not only to know the car, but to live it, one must also add 5 years. Technicians do not just know. They feel her like a beloved woman.

                  Yes, now there are shots such that they fly out in 2-3 years (technical staff), they read in the outfit anywhere but not on the central heating center! And as a rule, by all means, they try to screw concrete ...

                  Sadly, on the contrary, we tried to be more on the concrete than in the outfits.
              2. +1
                12 January 2014 09: 31
                http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2014/365/dppd515.jpg
            2. +3
              11 January 2014 10: 21
              Well, for the 2013 year, 77 aircraft and more than 100 helicopters were received. Do you have data on the decommissioning of 78 aircraft and more than 100 helicopters?
              1. dmitrij.blyuz
                +5
                11 January 2014 10: 28
                Of course not. The equipment is working out its life. Overhauls are not a panacea. Unsuitable vehicles go to scrapping. The absence of spare parts, kerosene, flight crews, and, moreover, the techies in our squadron is NOT FUN. A trash is written off. I am calm about that that aviation is on the rise.
              2. +2
                11 January 2014 14: 06
                Quote: donavi49
                Well, for the 2013 year, 77 aircraft and more than 100 helicopters were received. Do you have data on the decommissioning of 78 aircraft and more than 100 helicopters?

                Do you know the real state of affairs in parts? Technique seems to be in the states on paper. And in real life? The fact that the president was informed during the exercises that everything took off and went still does not mean, or rather, doesn’t mean anything ...
                1. 0
                  12 January 2014 13: 13
                  In 41, they were shot for panic. In fact, the exercises are now not held for pro forma.
            3. dmitrij.blyuz
              +2
              11 January 2014 10: 33
              The question is not only about the Air Force but also in the GA.
  8. Hey
    +2
    11 January 2014 09: 22
    Medium juggling is just nasty. Behind this is the incompetence of the author. When the average figures are manipulated by an official, the top of cenicism.
    Article minus.
    A month ago there was an excellent article on this topic, all in detail, in all categories. After reading such an article a clear idea of ​​the situation.
    1. +3
      11 January 2014 11: 26
      Quote: MUD
      A month ago there was an excellent article on this topic, all in detail, in all categories. After reading such an article a clear idea of ​​the situation.


      Colleague МУД, a link to the studio!
      Thou shalt not claw clavas without facts ...

      "averages" - that's why averages to show the general condition!
      40 years of watch or 120-difference is huge ...
      1. 0
        11 January 2014 20: 26
        Colleague МУД, a link to the studio!
        Thou shalt not claw clavas without facts ...


        Sorry for the arrogance, let me: http://warfiles.ru/show-45907-perevooruzhenie-rossiyskoy-federacii-ili-osobennos
        ti-nationalnoy-statistics.html
        1. 0
          12 January 2014 00: 20
          Quote: urganov
          Sorry for the arrogance, let me

          Thank you!
          I have not seen it before, BUT, this material only indirectly fits the current theme of the raid ...
  9. +4
    11 January 2014 09: 38
    So far, we are not reaching their level, but they are approaching ours.
  10. +1
    11 January 2014 09: 43
    Then they simply began to pay more attention to drones.
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      +2
      11 January 2014 09: 52
      Drones, in principle, are an excellent thing. Their main trump card is not to risk the crew. But we practically do not have them. Our achievements leave much to be desired. Although creating their problem is small. There is everything for this. But someone lowered the barrier. request
      1. 0
        11 January 2014 10: 47
        Yes, how to say about drones, with the aim of reconnaissance and bombing perfectly, but for real air combat sucks. All the same, I think reality is cooler than virtuality, and so it will be for many more years. Well, we’re working on drones, don’t forget that we don’t have the right to produce some kind of shit, we need analogues that the entire world will buy, which even the average people will sell to us.
        1. dmitrij.blyuz
          +3
          11 January 2014 10: 58
          Well, drones are not intended for air battles. I agree reconnaissance is a bombardment (although the second is doubtful in the accuracy of the strike). But there are no sensible drones in Russia. Although there are both power and capabilities. But there are no specialists! hi
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      3. +1
        12 January 2014 05: 19
        .Although creating their problem is small. There is everything for this. negative there is not enough main-own element base, and without it drones will not work ...
        1. dmitrij.blyuz
          0
          12 January 2014 05: 49
          No, Yuryevich hi The element base is and exists imperceptibly. Our NPO PM-satellites rivet. Radioelectronics-song. There is no reference, but there was an offer from them in the MO, to develop a purely combat drone. In 2012, it was shut down. And the plant is developing. Maybe something will burn out. Time will tell. As they say, "we'll see"
  11. +5
    11 January 2014 10: 25
    In Israel, the distribution of hours among pilots is very disproportionate. Personnel pilots do raid hours per year under 300, and reservists no more than 120. Not for nothing, when something is up to a big start, reservists should fly up to 60 hours in two three weeks.
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      +4
      11 January 2014 10: 31
      Aron. My respect. But in two or three weeks 60 hours? You are cool guys! drinks
      1. +2
        11 January 2014 10: 44
        Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
        Aron. My respect. But in two or three weeks 60 hours? You are cool guys! drinks

        Reservists! In the personnel units, the pilots are always ready, and the reservist, for example, by June has 60 flying hours. T / e it is heavenly. Well, what better to send him into battle or torment.
        1. dmitrij.blyuz
          +2
          11 January 2014 10: 50
          Torment! am The pilot is not for me to explain to you what he should be able to. More sweat, less blood! angry
          1. +4
            11 January 2014 11: 00
            Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
            Torment! am The pilot is not for me to explain to you what he should be able to. More sweat, less blood! angry

            Just me wink ... I'm from the engineering troops. All my humble knowledge in "Heil Avir" is from friends who served at the airfields.
            1. dmitrij.blyuz
              +7
              11 January 2014 11: 05
              This is not the case. You have been fighting since the formation of Israel. It doesn’t matter which troops. You are all together. Your sensible pilots! We need to be friends and not to blame each other! Respectfully. drinks
            2. dmitrij.blyuz
              0
              12 January 2014 06: 03
              I served urgently in engineering. So, almost colleagues. And about the raid of reservists, I can’t say anything. There is no such category with us. The pilot of the combat unit must have a flight time of at least 120 hours. This is my opinion. And better, more. There from above someone painted "who are the best pilots, ours, or" "Those who fly more" So I am with both hands "FOR" hi
        2. 0
          11 January 2014 11: 05
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          Well, what better to send him into battle or torment.

          As the fighter Sukhov said in the movie "White Sun of the Desert" - "it is better to suffer, of course ..."
    2. 0
      11 January 2014 11: 03
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Personnel pilots make 300 hours of flight a year, and reservists no more than 120. It is not in vain that when something is started a lot, reservists must fly up to 60 hours in two three weeks.

      And what? Also a way out ...
    3. +3
      11 January 2014 16: 06
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      reservists in two three weeks should fly up to 60 hours.

      In general, all reservist pilots fly one day a week. We have in control (substations of the north) - the pilot (former) is already 44 of the year. As before - one day a week at the training camp - flights. And once every 4 of the month 3-4 of the day, briefings and extended training will continue until 50 (and who is 55 years old)
      1. +2
        11 January 2014 16: 17
        Quote: atalef

        In general, all reservist pilots fly one day a week. We have in control (substations of the north) - the pilot (former) is already 44 of the year. As before - one day a week at the training camp - flights. And once every 4 of the month 3-4 of the day, briefings and extended training will continue until 50 (and who is 55 years old)

        well yes. On average, up to 120 hours per year if there is no need to release them for military operations.
  12. dmitrij.blyuz
    0
    11 January 2014 11: 09
    Quote: Nick
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    Well, what better to send him into battle or torment.

    As the fighter Sukhov said in the movie "White Sun of the Desert" - "it is better to suffer, of course ..."

    lol
  13. +4
    11 January 2014 11: 55
    The good news in these conditions is that our Air Force is increasing flight training. And already right on the fly they are reaching the level of world powers.

    What a bucket !!!
    It seems that the author wrote and doesn’t remember what ...? Do not have to rejoice - cry! There, people saved money by saving money, and we cannot catch them if we have the funds!
    U.S. defense budget cuts nearly double flight hours

    And if they had not reduced funds for the training of their flight personnel?
    1. 0
      11 January 2014 12: 02
      Quote: APASUS
      And if they had not reduced funds for the training of their flight personnel?

      Dear colleague, if we hadn’t squandered and reduced the level of combat training since the times of the USSR?

      The terms: "if only if only" do not count, we operate with what we have! Hard, but real ...
      Moreover, to stop there - none of our military are going to. Everything is "back to square one", including the regimental-divisional structure and methods of deployment ...
      And of course, not without problems and swagger and gouging of some ... But what about without this? Otherwise, it doesn’t work out for us ...
      1. +3
        11 January 2014 18: 59
        Quote: Rus2012
        The terms: "if only if only" do not count, we operate with what we have! Hard, but real ...

        It’s just that you can really celebrate a victory, and this can be said of the Pyrrhic victory - too ambiguous results. Too capricious texts sometimes come across !!
        1. -1
          11 January 2014 20: 10
          Quote: APASUS
          It’s just that you can really celebrate a victory, and this can be said of the Pyrrhic victory - too ambiguous results. Too capricious texts sometimes come across !!


          Dear colleague, this is certainly not a victory, but only the beginnings of the right decisions. Koi with due diligence and the application of further efforts can strengthen our position ...
    2. dmitrij.blyuz
      +3
      11 January 2014 12: 34
      I don’t remember exactly, but in 89 flight school graduates who came to us had a flight time (at school) of at least 120 hours. In the 95th year, the lieutenants had a flying time of about 20 (!) Hours. In the 97th, young pilots in the region were 7-12. These are graduates. They could not even turn on RIO-3. Now everything is getting better. Thank God.
    3. -1
      11 January 2014 21: 53
      Quote: APASUS
      and we, if we have the means, cannot catch them!

      The availability of funds does not mean that they need to be spent only on flights. The MO budget includes a lot of things, without which it is impossible and it’s not rubber. The soldier and the tankman also need to be shot, like the ship’s crew.
      1. +3
        12 January 2014 13: 03
        Quote: Pilat2009
        The availability of funds does not mean that they need to be spent only on flights. The MO budget includes a lot of things, without which it is impossible and it’s not rubber. The soldier and the tankman also need to be shot, like the ship’s crew.

        When in the 90s they said that there was no money, I readily believed this looking into my own refrigerator. Now Russia hosts summits, Olympiads, world championships, we have one of the largest funds "so to speak for a rainy day", we can afford all the accumulated good keep in foreign banks. We can even support the Minister of Defense of a thief with a whole female battalion and here on teeee - again there is no money ???
        Do you believe in your statements?
        1. 0
          12 January 2014 14: 06
          Quote: APASUS
          Do you believe in your statements?

          Firstly, I’m not saying that there is no money. Although there isn’t much
          But since you know that it’s a little expensive to upgrade and develop several types of missiles at the same time, they may not be enough, they’ve already announced the cuts in social programs, and the Olympics from the 2018 World Cup are also affecting that. the price of oil is 110 ye.
          Secondly, the Moscow Region itself is sharing money from its budget, and if it believes that the thief is worthy of such a salary, and he needs a battalion, I can advise Pu to buy himself glasses. You know age
  14. dmitrij.blyuz
    +2
    11 January 2014 12: 27
    Quote: Rus2012
    Quote: MUD
    A month ago there was an excellent article on this topic, all in detail, in all categories. After reading such an article a clear idea of ​​the situation.


    Colleague МУД, a link to the studio!
    Thou shalt not claw clavas without facts ...

    "averages" - that's why averages to show the general condition!
    40 years of watch or 120-difference is huge ...

    It's not just a difference. A raid of less than 120 hours is a tragedy. Summer is better understood by us.
  15. 120352
    +2
    11 January 2014 12: 49
    Leading Western countries have met us! By reducing the number of flight hours, they created the illusion that we have enough of these hours!
    1. dmitrij.blyuz
      +2
      11 January 2014 12: 59
      And ours, for some reason, despite the west increase the clock in the air. The same 95th, 160th. Migari 31st (BM) from Kansk, the sky is cut black. Mama is not grieving, I’m called. Every day I enjoy! (But only the tracks) They walk high. But it’s beautiful. I can clearly see through the binoculars. Damn !!! I envy them!
      1. 0
        11 January 2014 14: 13
        Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
        And ours, for some reason, despite the west increase the clock in the air. The same 95th, 160th. Migari 31st (BM) from Kansk, the sky is cut black. Mama is not grieving, I’m called. Every day I enjoy! (But only the tracks) They walk high. But it’s beautiful. I can clearly see through the binoculars. Damn !!! I envy them!

        Do you know how many really flying 160s? How many pilots in their regiment multiply by 120 hours and tell me whether it is realistic to make such a raid on 2-3 sides?
        1. dmitrij.blyuz
          +2
          12 January 2014 01: 37
          It looks like there are 4 cars on the wing now. The problem is in the engines. I agree that the flight crew on these planes can’t fly for 80 hours, but these are not the only strategists we have. 95th winged, BM (31st) on concrete yearn for. That information on the Tu-22M3 is extremely scarce. Someone in the subject, enlighten. There was a time, lit in Shaikovka.
          1. Alex 241
            +2
            12 January 2014 01: 44
            [/ Center]
            In 2012, the Ministry of Defense signed an agreement with the company "Hephaestus and T" on the additional equipment of the Tu-22M3 drill system with the SVP-24-22 system. The flight personnel received the nickname "Protected". Currently, about a dozen vehicles have undergone modernization. The total fleet of combat-ready vehicles is about 40 aircraft. Did you not know Aleksey Voronov?
            1. dmitrij.blyuz
              +2
              12 January 2014 01: 59
              Good morning to the old-timer of the site! Alas, Voronova did not know personally. I was in the 3rd squadron in 1989. Time erases memory. I don’t remember many of them. Only the photographs of those years lead to melancholy. And "Ogefeshchennye" fell under the table !!! laughing
              1. Alex 241
                +1
                12 January 2014 02: 03
                So he served there these years, but as far as I remember in the first squadron as a technician.
                1. dmitrij.blyuz
                  +1
                  12 January 2014 02: 30
                  I don’t know. That's for sure. I didn’t stay in the 3rd squadron for long either. About three months. The bath was built in my native Siberia, in the Strategic Missile Forces Aviation.
              2. VAF
                VAF
                +1
                12 January 2014 13: 20
                Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
                . Was in the 3rd squadron in 1989


                This is at Seryoga Novikov or after the "return" of the 3rd to the "native land" already in the "new local" at Petya Archkov wink drinks
                1. dmitrij.blyuz
                  +1
                  12 January 2014 23: 54
                  Novikov’s.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF
                    +1
                    13 January 2014 00: 21
                    Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
                    Novikov’s.


                    Clear drinks ! Yeah .. it was hard for "Ryazan" in his old age "to move to Shakalovka".
                    But thank God that they did not "suffer for a long time" and everything returned to "normal".
            2. VAF
              VAF
              +1
              12 January 2014 13: 16
              Quote: Alex 241
              . Currently, about a dozen aircraft have undergone modernization. The total fleet of combat-ready vehicles of about 40 aircraft


              Sanya, hi! drinks That's all ... "hat" or "wishlist" bully

              And you have all the photos .. "Ryazan" wink have nothing to do with Shakalovka!
      2. +2
        12 January 2014 14: 32
        Quote: dmitrij.blyuz
        Migari 31st (BM) from Kansk-sky cut in black.

        We have three MiG-31s ​​at the Tolmachevo airport in Novosibirsk, when they were transferred to us then there was news in the press, though the quantity was not indicated. At first they flew, they were noisy, now there is silence, how many I fly on business trips when taking off they are visible, they stand in the same place ...
  16. +1
    11 January 2014 14: 37
    We are going the right way, comrades. I read - it warmed up in my heart.
    1. 0
      11 January 2014 20: 07
      An aviation regiment is not accounting. Pilots and navigators have the opportunity to work on other machines of the corresponding class and confirm class qualifications. One flight of the Tu-160 is dozens of hours! Your bookkeeping is inappropriate.
      1. +1
        11 January 2014 20: 30
        Quote: Ivanovich47
        An aviation regiment is not accounting. Pilots and navigators have the opportunity to work on other machines of the corresponding class and confirm class qualifications. One flight of the Tu-160 is dozens of hours! Your bookkeeping is inappropriate.


        Well, yes, yes ... Yes, the navigator in the flying class is gaining a raid by the whole regiment, the pilots on Lky.
        Do not be cunning! It grows well, of course, but not everything is so rosy, flying on a combat aircraft as part of the crew is a little to say the least not like stupid stuffing hours of flight ..
        Yes, one flight is dozens of hours, but it’s only necessary to maintain the equipment and the crews must change, so arithmetic is appropriate ...
        1. dmitrij.blyuz
          +1
          12 January 2014 01: 47
          And what, with techies too strained?
      2. VAF
        VAF
        +1
        12 January 2014 13: 27
        Quote: Ivanovich47
        Pilots and navigators have the opportunity to work on other machines of the corresponding class and confirm class qualifications.


        Absolutely untrue! soldier

        The class is confirmed on that type. On which you are allowed to maintain a database in the full amount of KBP !!!
        All watches on other types (UB, UBL, UShS) are only for the "set" of the total number of raids .. no more.

        And so SMU, KhMU, BP and landing with m / m, please be kind on the main type hi or it will remain to wait for mercy from nature "in the face of a separate Order of the Air Force Commander-in-Chief for BG" (difficult childhood, lack of vitamins, well, etc.) laughing ) In parentheses this is .. a joke drinks
  17. +1
    11 January 2014 16: 42
    They do not cut, they switch to unmanned aircraft !!!!
    1. +1
      11 January 2014 16: 48
      Quote: pamero
      They do not cut, they switch to unmanned aircraft !!!!

      Not really. Work out a lot, on high-quality simulators.
    2. +1
      11 January 2014 19: 58
      Such aircraft (unmanned) gives a huge number of civilian casualties. And the means of counteracting it are rapidly developing. Soon every soldier will have a UAV "neutralization" remote control, like the PI GLONASS. And then the drones will not seem a little. Now the firms producing these devices are at their best. But counter-UAV firms are not sleeping. Ahead is the routine ...
  18. +1
    11 January 2014 17: 43
    In short, we are waiting for the VAF, he will come, he will judge. In general, of the entire military we have the most productive aircraft. Apparently because we had all the main plants in the Union. And yes, you need info about how many planes we can fight in case of something. Because just counting the wings in the hangar is not entirely correct.
  19. +1
    11 January 2014 17: 53
    Quote:...the average flight per pilot of the Russian Air Force has increased from 2008 of the year from 70 — 80 hours to 110-in 2011, 130 hours are planned in 2012.

    Not much to be guided by the minimum indicators of a raid. The pilot's raid is skill and guarantee of victory in battle. Here, savings lead to failure. Russia is able to provide pilots with flight practice. It is necessary to give Russian pilots the necessary practice in destroying the enemy in the air and on the ground.
  20. +2
    11 January 2014 18: 19
    A pilot who does not fly is not a pilot.
  21. zheleznyack
    +7
    11 January 2014 21: 33
    In 88, I graduated with a flying time of more than 360 hours, I could still fly and now, but the pilots of my homeland became unnecessary in 97, they also had prostitute bandits, etc.
    1. stranik72
      +1
      12 January 2014 13: 36
      zheleznyack
      "In '88, I graduated with over 360 hours of flying time .."
      If possible, then what school and number on the raid specify, general / self pliz!
  22. zheleznyack
    0
    11 January 2014 21: 58
    and yesterday they were discussing the fall of a mattress helicopter at an Anglo-sucker — I'm furious what kind of ki sympathized with these ghouls, they have been dreaming of destroying RUSSIA for more than 100 years, and these a * aortari are people singing
  23. penyvr
    0
    11 January 2014 23: 16
    Urrrrrraraaaa we are catching up with them, only because they have begun to fly less less !!!)) this is news)), and maybe we will even overtake them some time by an hour or so, well, more precisely, they will fly even less and catch up !! (sarcasm)
  24. 0
    12 January 2014 09: 03
    Quote: vladimirZ
    in the mid-70s, we had 3 flight shifts per week in our Transbaikal combat regiment


    It must be assumed that this pilot had 3 flight shifts per week. There were clearly not three of them in the regiment.
    1. +1
      12 January 2014 11: 19
      It must be assumed that this pilot had 3 flight shifts per week. There were clearly not three of them in the regiment.


      Naturally. The runway was busy daily in 2 shifts. There were 2 air regiments at the airport. The schedule of work and flights for pilots and technicians was the following: a day of preliminary preparation, a day of flights, a day of preliminary preparation, a day of flights, and so on, excluding weekends.
  25. -2
    12 January 2014 15: 10
    The experience of the pilot is determined not only by the number of hours of flight.
  26. stranik72
    +2
    12 January 2014 15: 31
    Quote: DRUG DRUG
    The experience of the pilot is determined not only by the number of hours of flight.

    First of all, only IM.
    I would not delude myself, the figures for the "drop" in the flight of NATO pilots (in the first place) have now been adopted such perfect simulators that allow maintaining flight training without damage (while maintaining the aircraft resource) while you can safely reduce the actual flight time and increase the simulator, which is what happens. Unfortunately, we do not have such high-quality simulators (due to the backwardness of the development of the element base and IT in general), therefore, we have to drive the flight crew, including “in circles”, spending an expensive aircraft resource.
  27. +2
    13 January 2014 02: 51
    I want to share my opinion on the content of the article and some comments.
    It seems to me that the reduction of flight hours in the air forces of the leading countries of the world is affected by both a change in the military-political (decrease in the level of military confrontation) and the economic (crisis) situation in the world, and it is incorrect to say that “we are reaching their level” or "They descend to us."
    In Soviet times, military aviation had no problem who should fly, what to fly on, where to fly and where to fly. Significantly more attention was paid to the combat training of the flight personnel (how and how much to fly to win the battle) and the technical staff (how to ensure a high level of readiness of aviation equipment and the aerodrome facilities as a whole).
    I believe that no training on the simulator can not replace real flights. They were created as a means of additional training in developing basic skills, regardless of specialization (BTA, army, fighter, etc., etc.). To fly well, you need to fly more and more often (in my opinion, at least 200 hours a year, about a third of them in difficult weather conditions at night), but this is still not enough. To win the battle, you need to fly competently and boldly, almost to the limit of the capabilities of the machine and its own. There are already problems of a different order, from medical to technical.
    Indeed, the fleet of military vehicles is aging both physically and mentally, and its renewal is slow. This is a natural process. Who flew, remember, we came to the regiments in the early 80s, and most of the aircraft in fighter aircraft were produced in the early and mid 70s, and in the distant and older. The complete loss of the combat fleet of the country, of course, is not threatened, but with qualified personnel it is more difficult and the authors of some comments are right. That's just the topic of the state of the airfield facilities, military towns, their life and everyday life does not sound in them. How is it at the airfields in the Arctic? These are not “jump” airfields; the Ministry of Defense understands that they will have to live and serve there.
    You can talk about the “light fighter” as much as you like, argue about MiGs and SU, T-50s, drones, but you should look at this problem “wider”. I still think that the country's leadership, based on the economic capabilities of the state, the nature of military threats, comparing the provisions of the military doctrine and the changing geopolitical situation in the world, reasonably determines priorities, including and in the development of the air force.
  28. dmitrij.blyuz
    0
    14 January 2014 16: 17
    Quote: BerXen
    Air combat in modern aviation is fantastic. Yes, the Americans said that too and screwed up, but that was only 40 years ago. On the Su-35, as on a normal plane, the gun is tightly screwed to the hull - it itself does not know how to aim. She has 150 rounds of ammunition and a rate of fire of 1500 rounds / min. The speed of a bullet is 900 m / s, 25 bullets per second are fired, in 1/25 sec a bullet flies 36 m, which means that the distance between two consecutive fired bullets is 36 m, of course in the corresponding projection. Even if one of the opponents fell into the tail to the other, that is already a feat, given the development of missiles and radars for those 40 years that have passed since Vietnam. Even then, modern airplanes are too fast and maneuverable, and we aim while steering a 25-ton colossus, and accordingly we will not be able to drop the entire line (6 seconds) at one point. Although the Su-35 is more maneuverable than any American aircraft, overloads arising at the same time, and also considering that the enemy is desperately maneuvering, it will be practically impossible to keep it in sight for at least a second. So in any case, you have to shoot with a fan hoping to hit the enemy with at least part of the bullets. Here the model becomes too complicated for me, but the angular velocities along with their vector and rate of change will obviously be large - the angles there will be well-heeled, which means that the distance between the bullets in the projection of the target will at least be less than 36 m. So hit the target, the maximum projection of which is 22 by 14 m with bullets, the distance between which tends to 36 m. But in order to incapacitate an aircraft, hit must be either in the engine (and that will remain second), or in the pilot. And the gun’s automation is configured not for one long queue but for several small ones. What is the probability of knocking someone down?
    They put guns on modern airplanes so that if something happens they could shoot on the ground - now there are no more clean fighters, but light armored vehicles and fortified bunkers in bulk. Border violator at the rate of fire. Flash a row of aircraft at the airport. On ships, in extreme cases, shoot. But certainly not for aerial combat.

    How to say. Do you take into account the rapprochement "face-to-face", where missiles are ineffective, or shoot a bullet from a pistol?