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Ideological work as it is. Poles teach Russians to overcome imperial consciousness

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We continue to talk about the ideological technologies used by foreign partners to Russia. This time - on a detailed example. He illustrates how one of the holders of the "Eastern policy" - Poland - is used to introduce an extremely specific worldview into the Russian academic circles.


Shortly before the New Year, the last series of the Russian-Polish program was completed at the University of Warsaw, with the academic Academy Academic in Public Discourse saying nothing to anyone.

Theoretically, the meaning of the program can be tried to understand from the texts. the official sitebut exactly what is theoretically: “... The project is aimed at creating strong bridges between the Polish and Russian academic communities in the course of an intensive dialogue with other participants in the public comment. We are convinced that such a dialogue can contribute to long-term cooperation arising from natural necessity. ”

In fact, the project is the following. With the money of the Soros Foundation Institute The interdisciplinary education “Artes liberales”, based at the University of Warsaw, gathers prominent humanities scholars from Russia and Poland every three months every three years. About a hundred students from Russia and Ukraine are also invited to participate in each session (the author turned out to be one of them. Taking into account what I am writing now, they will no longer invite you). Organizers incur all expenses. Meetings are held in the so-called format. "Debates" on the most pressing issues of Russian-Polish relations.

At the last session, topics were discussed:

- search for new identity in Russia and Poland,

- social responsibility of the intelligentsia and

- (Suddenly) the situation of the indigenous peoples of Siberia.

Note the level of the parties. Representatives of leading Russian humanitarian universities, federal universities (NIU-HSE, RSUH, St. Petersburg State University, SFU) and even the Russian Academy of Sciences came to discuss these urgent issues with the Polish colleagues. For example, Yuri Pivovarov, Alexander Arkhangelsky, Emil Pain, rector of SFU, Marina Borovskaya.

That is, people responsible for the formation of fashionable Russian historiosophical and political discourse, with access to the central media, forming the students' worldview.

Representatives of the Polish academic environment, writers, historians received guests. For example, the former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland, a member of the expert group of NATO on new strategic concepts, the Commissioner for Euro-Atlantic security - Adam Rotfeld.

Pro identity

From the very beginning I will note: the event was not a “debate”. The position of both sides was decidedly one. The difference was perhaps that in the heat of the exposure of backward Russia, in which sometimes Poles overtook our compatriots, and sometimes compatriots overtook Poles.

So, the main topics and theses:

1) “Post-Communist Russia in Search of a New Identity”.

We still live in Soviet Russia, which alienates evil and sin to the outside; The 20th CPSU Congress was Russian Nuremberg — repentance, but Stalin did not remain in the past, but dissolved in the future; the current situation is reminiscent of the times of the Weimar Republic; ideas of liberalism are not recognized by Russian ideas, and everything else is a search for retrospective utopia, not a search for identity.

2) "Role historical memory for the formation of national identity. "

In 90, Russia had European democratic perspectives, the government began to deny and start from the Soviet past, but citizens dispersed in their own search for identity, where the past caught up with them; the Soviet past won because we continue to live in Soviet cities, with Soviet monuments and watch Soviet cinema on TV; all bright prospects of the capitalist future were cut off; we run farther and farther into our patriarchal archaic past.

3) “Poland after 1989: the search for a new identity”

Under communism, the Poles, too, were “homo sovietus,” loyal to any power, non-subject; Solidarity has emerged in 1980 and civil identity has begun to emerge; in 1981, after entering martial law, the starting point for the formation of identity appeared - “for” or “against” the system; 1989 held a referendum election; the decline of the communist space has opened up spaces for the formation of a new identity; Polish and European identities coexist well; even older people are now dominated by Polish rather than Soviet identity.

But the Russians, instead of searching for identity, build mythical ideological constructions, are busy with restoration; The Petrine version of the breakthrough reforms will not work today, because Europe speaks with Russia in one voice, and you will not play it; Russians have no common civilization base; in 90, society revived, but then Sovietism woke up in it and it got scared again.

About intellectuals

Theme: "The status of the writer, literary centrism as a political factor in modern Russia."

Repentance of the Russian delegates: Russia has never been the most reading country (we are not Holland), but the status of a writer is incredibly high and turns into a political factor; Russian writers (from Simeon of Polotsk to Akunin) gradually began to perceive themselves as intercessors from the public before the authorities, they taught the rulers; when everything collapsed in 90, the institute of writers remained standing; Since 90 for 20 years, not a single civil society institution has emerged in Russia, except for the institute of writers; the general Moscow walk of the democratic public in the face of writers - protest ideologues - Akunin, Ulitskaya, Bykov, Rubinstein was very significant; Akunin turned from a novelist into a historian, and letters from Tolokonnikova from the camp are perceived today as Herzen's literary epistles; what to do with this unkillable institution is unknown ...

Comments by the Polish hosts of the event: both Russia and Poland have great literature and writers who created the ideas of freedom, but in Russia they were not listened to, and in Poland they listened.

About Siberia

The Siberian question among Eastern Europeans is marked with special attention. According to him, in Poland there are even separate meetings called “Siberian Challenges”, “Siberia: the load of the past, future challenges”, and this time - “Indigenous peoples of Siberia: an ontological study”.

Specially selected and invited colleagues from Siberian universities (ethnic Yakuts and Buryats) performed so brightly that even Ukrainian students were amazed at such an anti-imperial intensity. The owners, however, liked it.

The theme of the Siberian part was: “Can the indigenous peoples of Siberia act as subjects responsible for their fates? How will they live? To live or to survive?

Ulyana Vinokurova, professor of the AGIIC: “Most Siberian peoples have no chance of reproduction; these peoples have no rights or political subjectivity; from 42 peoples, the number grows only among the Nenets; there is a strong Russification, in many localities there are no schools, and there is no university in the YNAO; self-management resources do not exist; the surviving nations will live while the Russians fail to modernize the region. ”

Ivan Peshkov from Adam Mitskevich University: “The status of“ indigenous people ”differs from the status of“ diaspora ”only in neutral perception; this status in Russia gives dysfunctional benefits and risks; Siberia is the frontier zone of the United States in the North and China in the South; Siberia is an object of administrative planning, the authorities are constantly trying to turn nomads into sedentary, into Christians; peoples do not have land rights, but their treasury and bureaucracy have them, so tsarist Russia 200 lived for years dependent on deer-breeders and hunters; The north of Siberia is suffering blows and bears the costs of an unsuccessful modernization project. ”

Andrei Bazarov, head of the department of theology of BSU: “from the XVII to XIX centuries. there was a suppression of the Buryat Buddhist bookishness (the basis of identity), and in Soviet times it was almost completely destroyed; Siberian peoples have no chance of survival under any form of dictatorship; the only way out is to form civil communities. ”

Comments to the performances were no less entertaining: “Yakuts are already living with migrants, and when they are asked why you are living with Uzbeks, they say that they come home with a package, they carry dinner, so the Russians would learn from them”; "We here in Poland have already made a nest, the Polish view of the world is the image of the future that Siberia is looking for, Poland is from the Atlantic to Kamchatka - we don’t mind."

Why all this

In just three years the project has been discussed (I give the official wording):

  • mutual cultural clichés of Poland and Russia;
  • transatlantic security context;
  • citizenship, patriotism and other ways of relating to the motherland;
  • liberal education;
  • individual, collective, public, corporate and state memory and its values;
  • Christianity, collective memory and national identity;
  • building a Euro-Atlantic security system, non-military confidence-building measures;
  • historical politics: Russian and Polish versions;
  • The topic of the definition of “our community” is foreign and others: neighbors, partners, friends, internal enemy, external enemy.

    The themes, as we see, were chosen quite technologically.

    For the time being, Russian society is determined what its goals are, who is friend and who is enemy, they are actively explained from the side.

    There are dozens of such programs, just in case. And their members call this “academic tourism.”

    So, this is - ideological work, propaganda, education of citizens. And it is conducted not from a speaker on a pole, but here - in cozy audiences under impressive performances of real intellectuals with jokes about national holidays. In excursions to the places of monstrous crimes of our country against silent harmless neighboring countries. In payment of all expenses of participants, in grants for research, in programs of cooperation, exchange and dialogue.

    And at the summing up of the session - the organizers received the desired result from the students-students. I specifically outlined one girl:

    “I am abroad for the first time, in Poland, of course, also. I listened to speeches here, looked at museums in Lublin. It is, of course, terrible that the fascists worked here during World War II, which was going on in Poland in 70 – 80, and I think it’s very good that after all this, Russia and Poland continue to communicate, gather for such events. ”

    Until we have our own picture of the world, our history and ways of explaining it, various “partners” and “colleagues” will broadcast their picture of the world to us and tell our story.

    PS

    Of course, the Western partners themselves are not so smoothly, as written in the concept of 10-year-old. And “in one voice”, as events in Ukraine have shown, Europe is not very able to speak. And “ensuring European identity” for the whole “new Europe” only closes its own national perspectives.

    However, in this case, the task of all ideological work is not an explanation to the Russians of the real state of affairs, but the introduction into their collective consciousness of a concept with which their Russian policy can be monitored and predicted.

    And it's silly to underestimate this job.
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    1. kaktus
      kaktus 11 January 2014 15: 58
      +14
      Well, about overcoming imperial thinking, who should be taught how not to ...
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 12 January 2014 08: 05
        +27
        Quote: kaktus
        Well, about overcoming imperial thinking, who should be taught how not to ...

        They would first deal with their own. After all, they are still dreaming of the restoration of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and consider themselves to be almost the first cultural bastion in front of hordes of orcs from the East!
        1. Sakmagon
          Sakmagon 12 January 2014 08: 34
          +53
          power began to deny and build on the Soviet past, but citizens scattered in their own search for identity, where the past overtook them

          Zadornov - die of envy! wassat
          - "we continue to live in Soviet cities ..." (and we should be in the gay-European garbage dumps ...)
          - "Russians, instead of looking for identity, build mythical ideological constructions ..." - STE what kind of beast and why look for it?
          - "Russia has never been the most reading country (we are not Holland) ..." - ???? wassat
          - "Tsarist Russia 200 years lived dependent on reindeer herders and hunters... "- MASTERPIECE !!!!!!!!!!!
          CRAWLERS - MASOCHISTS, IF THEY HAVE NEVER BEATED THEIR MUZ FOR 50 YEARS, THERE A BREAKDOWN BEGINS ...
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 12 January 2014 08: 46
            +4
            Quote: Sacmagon
            Zadornov - die of envy!
            I won’t be surprised if in his next speech this will sound
            power began to deny and build on the Soviet past, but citizens scattered in their own search for identity, where the past overtook them
            bully it will not rust after him. hi
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 12 January 2014 10: 13
              +18
              Specially selected and invited colleagues from Siberian universities (ethnic Yakuts and Buryats) spoke so vividly that even Ukrainian students were amazed at such an anti-imperial glow. The owners, however, liked it. (from article)


              Just the other day on one of the central channels (I don't remember which one) the outrageous information of the "fried facts reporter" about Buryatia about the transition of all schools in Buryatia to compulsory teaching of the Buryat language was heard.
              In Buryatia, where only about 30% are drilled, a minority of the population imposes on the rest of the 70% population an unnecessary language that they will not use anywhere, since Buryatia is a Russian-speaking region.
              In Buryatia, the Buryats occupy 90% of leading and commanding positions, which does not correspond to the percentage of the indigenous non-Buryat population, and which causes certain ethnic tensions.
              In the report of all the people shown, only one passerby was shown by an uncle, who modestly tried to admonish the correspondents and the initiators of this idea, that it is necessary to take into account the opinions of people and at least limit the introduction of the Buryat language only to electives.
              Such a stupid national policy of supporting small nations threatens with great national strife and divisions of the state.
              How "fried reporters" and TV program editors don't understand it. Probably also studied at similar Polish-American seminars on the destruction of Russia?
              1. ele1285
                ele1285 12 January 2014 12: 58
                +6
                Quote: vladimirZ
                In Buryatia, where only about 30% are drilled, a minority of the population imposes on the rest of the 70% population an unnecessary language that they will not use anywhere, since Buryatia is a Russian-speaking region.

                Here she is a Western, sexually-perverted model. Tolerastia in its purest form. Not one, so the other is climbing to us, the teachers are unfinished. We need to push like bugs.
              2. DEfindER
                DEfindER 12 January 2014 15: 22
                0
                Quote: vladimirZ
                outrageous information of the "fried facts reporter" about Buryatia about the transition of all schools in Buryatia to compulsory teaching of the Buryat language.

                In general, the compulsory school curriculum is formed by the government of the Russian Federation, local authorities can, in principle, introduce any subjects, but optional. Let them learn what they want at least 100 languages, but they must know Russian by law. By the way, in Soviet times, the same was the support of small peoples, they had their own printed materials and their schools, I do not see anything wrong with that .. the main thing is that they do not forget to whom they owe stability in their regions, and what a "fun" life has become in the former Soviet republics after secession ..
              3. varov14
                varov14 12 January 2014 16: 48
                0
                "Specially selected and invited colleagues from Siberian universities (ethnic Yakuts and Buryats) performed so brightly that even Ukrainian students were amazed at such anti-imperial intensity. The owners, however, liked it. (From the article)" --- The funny thing is, before they become Poles , we will rip them out and push them into their own national identity, or be Chinese.
              4. Horn
                Horn 13 January 2014 07: 24
                +1
                30% drill - this is a lot! Pederast, for example, in France, is much less than 30%. But laws are adopted precisely for them!
                Purposeful work is underway to destroy the Russian house. Alien social constructions and ideologies are deliberately being introduced into the subconscious of Russian people. Only tough and brutal, without snot and sussing, suppression of structures hostile to the Russian home can save Russia.
              5. Elizabeth
                Elizabeth 13 January 2014 16: 55
                +1
                In Buryatia, where only about 30% are drilled, a minority of the population imposes on the rest of the 70% population an unnecessary language that they will not use anywhere, since Buryatia is a Russian-speaking region.

                I don’t know what percentage of the indigenous Indian tribes remained in the United States today after the "humane extermination". Perhaps the attention of the international community should be drawn to the need to introduce compulsory study of languages ​​of the indigenous population of North America in US schools?
          2. PPL
            PPL 12 January 2014 09: 18
            +4
            It's funny!good
            You can also add about masochism:
            ... the event was not a "debate". Both sides took a decidedly one position.
            Like grandmothers on a bench at the entrance ... lol
          3. Magadan
            Magadan 12 January 2014 10: 18
            +9
            [i]] "instead of searching for identity, Russians are building mythical ideological constructions ..." - what kind of animal is this STE and why look for it?
            [I]
            Yes, you did not understand simply! Instead of Gaidai’s films, we should watch movies about homosexual more often. It is now shown in almost every foreign movie
          4. 120352
            120352 12 January 2014 11: 05
            +3
            They envy that our identity is more fruitful than them.
            1. Basarev
              Basarev 12 January 2014 22: 28
              +2
              This is all because all the efforts of their masters went to ashes in the early XNUMXs. The victory was close - in the nineties the country was closer to final death than ever. But still we survived. We stopped the invasion. We are close to restoring the defense. Next step - strike back. Move the war to enemy territory.
          5. ele1285
            ele1285 12 January 2014 13: 07
            +10
            Quote: Sacmagon

            - "Tsarist Russia 200 years lived dependent on reindeer herders and hunters... "- MASTERPIECE !!!!!!!!!!!
            CRAWLERS - MASOCHISTS, IF THEY HAVE NEVER BEATED THEIR MUZ FOR 50 YEARS, THERE A BREAKDOWN BEGINS ...

            This is a clinic. Further more fun.
            "We have already built a nest here in Poland, the Polish world view is the image of the future that Siberia, Poland is looking for from the Atlantic to Kamchatka - we do not mind."

            This is a masterpiece. This is not Polish "from border to border" (from sea to sea), this is Kholuy-industrialist for a jar of jam and a pack of cookies ready to sell the Motherland. Opupeet, Poland from ocean to ocean. And what is not immediately to Mars? deprive insects of all ranks and deport them to Poland; confiscate their property on account of their free education. Natural fifth column.
            1. varov14
              varov14 12 January 2014 16: 22
              +1
              to whom - ele1285. They themselves will die out, these peoples are not needed by the new government, the stake is made on Asia.
              1. ele1285
                ele1285 12 January 2014 18: 28
                +2
                Quote: varov14
                They themselves will die out, these peoples are not needed by the new government, the stake is made on Asia.

                These corrupt bastards themselves will not die out. Especially if they are fed from abroad. But our government and we must help them are scoured.
            2. Elizabeth
              Elizabeth 13 January 2014 17: 12
              0
              "We have already built a nest here in Poland, the Polish world view is the image of the future that Siberia, Poland is looking for from the Atlantic to Kamchatka - we do not mind."

              Another "fifth column" battalion has been formed. And how many of them are there in Russia!
              Deprive these insects of all ranks and deport to Poland. Confiscate property in order to receive a free education. Natural fifth column.

              Who would take up the compilation of a battalion, last name list of this already army of Russia's enemies inside Russia? Many will recall the 1937 year with horror, but that's another story ...
          6. Sasha1979
            Sasha1979 12 January 2014 22: 08
            0
            I will support about 50 years. It has been confirmed many times.
          7. Sasha1979
            Sasha1979 12 January 2014 22: 12
            0
            I will support about 50 years. It has been confirmed many times.
          8. Basarev
            Basarev 12 January 2014 22: 21
            0
            It's time to repeat again, since they did not understand from the last time
        2. 120352
          120352 12 January 2014 11: 07
          +5
          Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth - rehearsal of the Reich. Actors true, as in rural amateur performances, but the play is the same.
        3. Interface
          Interface 12 January 2014 15: 41
          +2
          After all, they are still dreaming of restoring the Commonwealth.


          We should think about restoring the Russian Empire ...
      2. mirag2
        mirag2 12 January 2014 09: 07
        +6
        Let's go in the ass!
        You should have seen how they + the new Eastern European Nato demanded the speedy admission of Ukraine and Georgia to NATO! -When Yushenka and Saa-kaka-shvili, even Germany (she was against) -they accused that she behaves like in 38g, than they really offended the Germans.
        1. 120352
          120352 12 January 2014 11: 04
          +4
          NATO strides wide. No matter how trousers are torn ...
        2. Cynic
          Cynic 13 January 2014 16: 37
          0
          Quote: mirag2
          The new Eastern European NATO members demanded the speedy admission of Ukraine and Georgia to NATO!

          As for NATO, the Almighty is with them, but here such a thing _ Georgia is now associated in the EU!
          And according to the association agreement, she (Georgia) must pass laws to promote the ideas of LGBT in Georgia! Such greetings from Mishiko.
          I don’t know how everyone is, but it will be very interesting for me to look at it.
          wink
      3. AVV
        AVV 12 January 2014 11: 37
        +4
        This is all aimed at revenge for the defeat in 1609 when the Poles were driven from the ground by a Russian broom !!! And all the offspring of the Poles, that is, Brzezinski, or Ol.Bright subsequently tried in one way or another to influence American policy towards the USSR first and then Russia! Through the Soros Foundation, they are trying to educate moles in the scientific community that would form public opinion from within students and the people !!! Yes, such lies and teachers of departments must be driven out of educational institutions !!! These are rats working to the west and are ready to sell Russia with giblets for slobbering !!!
        1. Grenader
          Grenader 12 January 2014 12: 58
          +8
          Yuri Pivovarov, Alexander Arkhangelsky, Emil Pain, rector of SFU Marina Borovskaya. - I wonder, but are there Russians among them?
          Russia has not yet appeared a single institution of civil society, except the institution of writers; the all-Moscow walk of the democratic public in the person of writers - ideologists of protest - Akunin, Ulitskaya, Bykov, Rubinshtein - was very significant. - This institute of writers may not represent Russia at all, but one Mediterranean country.
          These humanitarian workers, whom Stalin shot at his time as mad dogs, take too much on themselves. Identify all the "academic tourists" and to the wall.
          It’s a little off topic - our media never ceases to amaze: Ariel Sharon died yesterday on detailed channels across all channels, more than about our Russian figures, in my opinion they talked about Kalashnikov in about the same volume. We have kosher media.
          1. avt
            avt 12 January 2014 15: 03
            +2
            Quote: Grenader
            A little off topic - our media never ceases to amaze: Ariel Sharon died yesterday in detailed channels across all channels, more than about our Russian figures,

            Yes, they are burying the "hero of Russia." And they also pinned the news as a downed, that is, dismissed, ex-professor Kuraev with pussies released under the amnesty met and took pictures. laughing Probably decided to sing and invited the words to write off. But if one of them put a chicken in a store on camera at 3,14 .. and shoved it, then where would he be! ?? That is how far he is ready to go, so that he can amuse him for his pride, infringed upon by his dismissal, and to take revenge on the authorities in the ROC? A very interesting character, not at all stupid, but very quick-tempered and touchy when he does not follow him. I remember how in the 90s he gave paid lectures at the Meridian Palace of Culture, and he did missionary work at the expense of new converts.
            1. varov14
              varov14 12 January 2014 16: 38
              +1
              Kuraev - He's just one of the "heroes" of the new system. She apparently cannot give birth to anything worthwhile. Unfortunately, our time will give birth to a real hero only in extreme situations, to which the "hero" of the system is brought.
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 12 January 2014 15: 46
            +7
            Quote: Grenader
            Russia has not yet appeared a single institution of civil society, except the institution of writers; the all-Moscow walk of the democratic public in the person of writers - ideologists of protest - Akunin, Ulitskaya, Bykov, Rubinshtein - was very significant. - This institute of writers may not represent Russia at all, but one Mediterranean country.
            These humanitarian workers, whom Stalin shot at his time as mad dogs, take too much on themselves. Identify all the "academic tourists" and to the wall.

            Yes, there are such institutions of civil society in Russia ...
            Only psheks are not fools, they invite those from whom you can hear what they, the Poles, want - Buryats, Evenks and other representatives of "oppressed" peoples and nationalities. It is paid for EVERYTHING in zlotys and EUREK. Why be surprised? Another question is more interesting: "Where do the Polish" internationalists "manage to" dig up "so many trash born and raised in Russia, ready to sell themselves on any terms?"
            Maybe it’s worth joking around the expanses of Europeans of the decadents, gathering them somewhere in Siberia, and publicizing THEIR opinion on modern Poland, its history. And not only...
            1. poquello
              poquello 12 January 2014 22: 21
              +1
              Quote: stalkerwalker

              Maybe it’s worth joking around the expanses of Europeans of the decadents, gathering them somewhere in Siberia, and publicizing THEIR opinion on modern Poland, its history. And not only...

              This is generally not the case, these degenerates who are tourists are able to influence the audience not from the political rostrum. Along the way, a cosmopolitan pro-Western layer capable of arranging a second perestroika is being prepared at all levels.
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            3. Basarev
              Basarev 12 January 2014 22: 38
              0
              Warsaw is a garbage can. And besides, a suspicious garbage can.
          3. knn54
            knn54 12 January 2014 20: 27
            +2
            - "The project is aimed at creating lasting bridges between the Polish and Russian academic communities"
            "MINED" BRIDGES - what else to expect from the Poles.
            -For example, Yuri Pivovarov, Alexander Arkhangelsky, Emil Pain, rector of SFU Marina Borovskaya.
            How right Vladimir Ilyich: “This is not the brain of the nation, this is its g.av.n.o!”.
            Draw on the article for 5–XNUMX years for “doubt about the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation”, depriving ALL ranks and positions.
            - Representatives of the Polish academic environment, writers, historians received guests. For example, the former Minister of Foreign Affairs of Poland, a member of the NATO expert group on new strategic concepts, the Commissioner for Euro-Atlantic security - Adam Rotfeld.
            Moms (maybe) and Russians / Polish, but dads, it seems, from the LAWYER tribe ...
            The speech of the Commonwealth ended long ago, but the imperial sediment still remained ...
            PS There will always be Eskimos who will develop instructions for the residents of the Congo on how to behave during the heat.
            The smaller the inhabitants, the greater the empire seems to them.
            XI commandment: "Do not commit adultery!"
            Stanislav Jerzy LEC
            PP.S “Take as much sovereignty as you can swallow.” EBS, how wrong you were.
          4. Basarev
            Basarev 12 January 2014 22: 34
            +1
            I can’t remember - who is Ariel Sharon at all? And what are his merits to Russia, that all the central channels broadcast about his funeral?
        2. Sasha1979
          Sasha1979 12 January 2014 22: 16
          +2
          In my opinion, the Poles are even more anti-Russian than the Americans themselves
        3. Basarev
          Basarev 12 January 2014 22: 32
          +1
          But Gryazev and Shipunov know the recipe for getting rid of this evil. Call GS-30K.
      4. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 12 January 2014 14: 00
        +7
        Quote: kaktus
        Well, about overcoming imperial thinking, who should be taught how not to ...


        The point is not so much who teaches - damned ones, like their ancestors who destroyed their country in the 18th century, or the Yankees - who mainly teach what and what. As always, the question arises, what is our special services doing - they were not taught anything about the collapse of the Empire in 17-18 and the USSR in 91-93? How can people who are actually ready to betray their homeland be allowed to work calmly in the field of education? !!
        1. Sasha1979
          Sasha1979 12 January 2014 22: 19
          0
          Already used for this purpose
      5. varov14
        varov14 12 January 2014 16: 06
        +7
        As always late. I will play the role of "Zhirinovsky" - I will explain the essence of the problem. Imagine a warrior without a shield and with a sword, you don't know from what and by whom, forged, you imagined, so this is what we are. There is no ideology in the state, but it is, in fact, prohibited. But to carry all sorts of nonsense, to go God knows what forums, this is encouraged. What can we oppose if we can trace the purposeful destruction of the historical memory of the people. As I already wrote somewhere, the most educated part of our people turned out to be a real city ... Ay, where you are educated statesmen, patriots, we chew all snot. Any ideology can be opposed only by ideology, word - word. It is necessary to have civic courage, relevant knowledge and it is not a little important an effective way of communicating to the masses .----- Ulyana Vinokurova, professor at AGIIK: “Most of the Siberian peoples have no chance of reproduction; these peoples have no rights or political subjectivity; of 42 peoples, the number is growing only among the Nenets; there is a strong Russification, in many settlements there are no schools, and in the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug there is no higher educational institution; self-government resources do not exist; the surviving peoples will live while the Russians fail the modernization of the region. ”- This paragraph is just an example. then the current oligarchs in figs need it, it does not bring money, but if they die out, they will bring new ones. She does not know what she is writing about, or a complete d ... who awarded her the professorship and for what nonsense. It is necessary to excommunicate such people from the younger generation.
      6. Elizabeth
        Elizabeth 13 January 2014 16: 45
        0
        Well, about overcoming imperial thinking, who should be taught to anyone but to him.

        Well, still Ukrainians! Everyone who failed to realize their imperial ambitions.
    2. makarov
      makarov 11 January 2014 16: 01
      +15
      And the Poles still have something to say about Christian values ​​??? Each parish has its own priest, who goes 2 times a year (more often sends younger ones) to collect "voluntary" donations. For each parishioner there is a dossier where it is clearly described who he is and what he is, and in what years he gave how much, or did not give. So, if he gave little, then his children will never be married in a church, an attempt to get married in another church rarely succeeds, because if this is revealed, then the priest will pay the "victim priest" 10 times more. This I gave a kind of mild example, this is how things are done and abruptly.
      1. varov14
        varov14 12 January 2014 16: 18
        +1
        Do our above professors at least know by hearsay about this? Or trying to teach the people themselves are more stupid than the people. Who did we instruct to educate our children?
    3. Stanislas
      Stanislas 11 January 2014 16: 48
      +13
      When our citizens start to spit on their people ("mentality") and their history here on the forum, then I am indignant, I want to mock them. But when they begin to do this in front of foreigners, as if thus fulfilling the expenses that Soros (or someone else) suffered in connection with their trip abroad, food and cultural program, or wanting to show the Europeans that they are the same "enlightened "Russophobes, not like the" cattle "that remained on (: a sigh of regret :) to their homeland, it does not just shake me, but my hands itch, I want blood, God forgive me!
      1. makarov
        makarov 11 January 2014 18: 40
        -4
        Have you tried to quench your "thirst" with blood sausage with garlic? I understand, of course, it will be an ersatz, but still always at hand ??? laughing
      2. aleks
        aleks 12 January 2014 07: 08
        +7
        And in Moscow, can someone spit in the face of Brewer?
        1. avt
          avt 12 January 2014 10: 36
          +6
          Quote: aleks
          And in Moscow, can someone spit in the face of Brewer?

          And the point is, for him, spit in the eyes - God's dew. Here it is necessary to expand the space near Smolensk in Katyn - to reserve for the next descendants and accomplices of the gentry. The "Hyena of Europe" again took up the old "Promethean movement" of active leaders and organizers of which Beria calmed down in Katyn. There they actually shot the "elite" involved in nationalist movements in the USSR. But the history of the pretzel makes interesting - the Germans got lists of agents, they are tight they were engaged in it up to the creation of the innational units. Then, like the "nightingales" of Bandera in Volyn, these "enlightened" Prometheans, already under the leadership of the Hans, notably cut the Poles during the uprising in Warsaw. no good, but they merged with the Natsik Bandera on the Maidan in geyvrop ecstasy, and we are again muddied up - they are looking for lackeys.
        2. 120352
          120352 12 January 2014 11: 01
          0
          Well, it will be necessary to hang his face on every pillar, so as not to inadvertently splash a good person. This is expensive. Better to hire a killer.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 12 January 2014 22: 47
            0
            To do this, you will have to strain serious ties. I will not like it when the killer is thrown in jail. He cleansed society of filth, you can’t do this to him.
        3. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 12 January 2014 16: 35
          +5
          Quote: aleks
          And in Moscow, can someone spit in the face of Brewer?

          Why steam?
          NOBODY really knew anything about these Buryat-Evenki insurgents ... Well, they went, well, they cracked ... They will return to their native yaranga.
          Now there will be something to tell the local reindeer breeders about - how he went, what the baslals were about ... They will write on the grave "He was in Poland."
          1. PPL
            PPL 12 January 2014 18: 14
            +1
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            Quote: aleks

            Well, went, well, cracked ... Return to their native yaranga.
            Now there will be something for the local reindeer breeders to tell about - how they traveled, what they basled about ...

            What yarangs and Buryats with Evenks are there? The article clearly states who traveled:
            hundreds of students from Russia and Ukraine (the author was one of them)
            ... representatives of leading Russian humanitarian universities, federal universities (NRU-HSE, Russian State Humanitarian University, St. Petersburg State University, Southern Federal University) and even the Russian Academy of Sciences.

            At least one "Chukchi" was invited for order ... lol
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 12 January 2014 18: 24
              +4
              Quote: PPZ
              What yarangs and Buryats with Evenks are there?

              So, after all, they bazlali on behalf of the "oppressed" ... wassat
              Quote: PPZ
              At least one "Chukchi" was invited for order ...

              What for? They said everything for them ... laughing
              The main thing is that there will be something to brag about "And I was there, I drank Polish vodka with Polish beer ...". lol
      3. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 11: 03
        +2
        Sorry! I could not read the whole thing. As soon as I saw the word SOROS, diarrhea began ...
      4. Cynic
        Cynic 12 January 2014 13: 56
        +4
        Caught here
        Lev Gumilyov was asked: do you consider yourself an intelligentsia? Gumilyov took off in his chair and shouted: God forbid, your mother. I am not an intellectual, I have a profession "

        Quote: Stanislav
        then it’s not just shaking me, but my hands itch, I want blood

        Unforgettable _
        "When I hear the word culture, I pull my Browning's fuse."
    4. FC SKIF
      FC SKIF 12 January 2014 06: 52
      +4
      Poles work smartly, and efficiently. What prevents us from doing the same
      1. PPL
        PPL 12 January 2014 08: 54
        +3
        Quote: FC Skiff
        Poles work smartly, and efficiently. What prevents us from doing the same

        What is "the same" - to do lies? laughing
        Be nobler. I was taught from childhood, you can’t kick a defeated man - he is punished in the same way.
        Our strength is in truth! And this is obvious, since the poor always try to spoil the strong, in this case with the help of the “holder of the“ eastern policy ”“ the Poles, with the money of the “bosom friend of Russia” Soros.
        1. Sasha1979
          Sasha1979 12 January 2014 22: 23
          0
          The best answer to the Poles would be silence. We must speak with the owner, and not with his mongrel.
      2. saxa2103
        saxa2103 12 January 2014 09: 09
        +3
        they don’t work and work out, like the invitees, and how were the lists of the invitees compiled? According to what criteria? Let them invite, for example, Zhirik, and as an observer zadornov, and indeed this action resembles a fable about a pug and an elephant
      3. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 11: 00
        +1
        Why do we have to go down to the level of Poles? Who said that they are already people ?! Under grow up, you look and grow wiser.
        1. avt
          avt 12 January 2014 11: 22
          +2
          Quote: 120352
          Why do we have to go down to the level of Poles? Who said that they are already people ?!

          Oh well . Just like the king from the "Ordinary miracle". "When he was strangled his wife, and he stood nearby and said -" Be patient, maybe it will cost. "
    5. Same lech
      Same lech 12 January 2014 06: 59
      +2
      With the money of the Soros Foundation


      Consider for sabotage activities in the field of propaganda, in general, SOROS money is used where it is necessary to arrange a color revolution.
      And our dear Poles everywhere try to become a kind of ram of WESTERN CIVILIZERS when it comes to RUSSIA, as I understand the historical grievances against RUSSIA in their blood and this is incorrigible.
    6. andrei332809
      andrei332809 12 January 2014 07: 04
      +1
      and we, it turns out, have not even grown to the barbarians ... what to do now? to bow to the "civilized" -mol, teach?
      see, the history of pshek does not teach anything. well, maybe only one thing, that they are the greatest and wisest. something begins to bother this "independent" country. it is necessary to give the Germans an idea so that they demanded danzig for themselves.
      1. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 10: 58
        +1
        It all depends on the point of view, the position of the observer. For them - we are not mature enough to barbarians. For us, they are generally embryos. This is the question of the unity and integrity of the world. In fact, there are as many worlds as there are civilizations. Each civilization, including ours, considers its world to be final, unique. Lyakham harder. They have no civilization. There is no observer position or an established point of view either.
    7. ZU-23
      ZU-23 12 January 2014 07: 07
      +2
      Lyakhs are being drizzled by demons, they are talking about our imperial ways, and their fingers are bending in front of Ukraine, they have found the only sucker where you can come off, this compatriot Bzezhinsky has taken away their last brain from him, that's all his politics.
      1. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 10: 54
        +1
        Brzezinski is actually a Jew. Moreover, the star ...
    8. valokordin
      valokordin 12 January 2014 07: 18
      +4
      We must clearly understand that the political power in Poland, with the exception of units, was always anti-Russian and anti-Soviet. And that delegation led by Pivozhorin (
      Note the level of parties. Representatives of leading Russian humanitarian universities, federal universities (NRU-HSE, Russian State University for the Humanities, St. Petersburg State University, Southern Federal University) and even the Russian Academy of Sciences came to discuss these pressing issues with Polish colleagues. For example, Yuri Pivovarov, Alexander Arkhangelsky, Emil Pain, rector of SFU Marina Borovskaya.)

      These are the apologists of the Polish gentry. You always remember the words of Taras Bulba: "Well, son, did the Poles help you?" It is worth talking to this audience only in the language of money. They are not our brothers, Slavs.
    9. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 12 January 2014 07: 39
      +5
      We have Poles long ago knocked out of them their imperial manners ..))) So they are angry with us ..
    10. major071
      major071 12 January 2014 08: 12
      +7
      “... The project aims to create strong bridges between the Polish and Russian academic communities in the course of an intensive dialogue with other participants in the public discussion. We are convinced that such a dialogue can contribute to long-term cooperation arising from natural necessity. ”

      The name of this program reminds me of an old joke:
      From the point of view of banal erudition, each individual, critically
      clearly motivating abstraction, cannot ignore criteria
      utopian subjectivity, conceptually interpreting generally accepted
      cleaned defaner polarizers, so consensus has been reached
      the dialectical material classification of universal motivations in the paradogmatic relations of predicates, solves the problem of improvement
      the formation of forming geotransplantation quasi-blisters of all
      kinetically correlating aspects.
      1. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 10: 51
        0
        The bridge is good. You can always drop someone from him, in which case ...
        And it’s better to use words whose meaning is accessible to you at least to some extent.
    11. bomg.77
      bomg.77 12 January 2014 08: 19
      +4
      To all Russophobes !!! "The Russian people is a world-historical exception in the family of great imperial nations. Any other empire will not pamper you, but will beat you with a stick, sending you to the darkest and dirtiest jobs, and fuck in a way contrary to nature. the empire, really, will be in its power, and not like the Russians - in Pravda. "end of the quote. This applies to the Poles and the Westerners very well.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 12 January 2014 13: 08
        +2
        Quote: bomg.77
        To all Russophobes !!! "The Russian people is a world-historical exception in the family of great imperial nations. Any other empire will not pamper you, but will beat you with a stick, sending you to the darkest and dirtiest jobs, and fuck in a way contrary to nature. the empire, really, will be in its power, and not like the Russians - in Pravda. "end of the quote. This applies to the Poles and the Westerners very well.

        I agree .. That's just we suffer from our sincerity .. We endure and then tear to throw the beginners without taking apart .... But God loves Russia all the same .. teaches us tough .. so as not to become impudent ..! And protects our souls .. ( sinful) .. We try as best we can .. it's a shame why we should suffer for others .. ??? That's just such a thought .. came
    12. shinobi
      shinobi 12 January 2014 09: 10
      +1
      Clever Western strategists have long fully realized one of Bismarck's sayings: Russia cannot be defeated by force of arms, but it can be destroyed from within using European-oriented intelligence.
      1. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 10: 49
        +4
        The second part of the phrase concerning the intelligentsia, you obviously invented yourself. Here he is, Otto von Bismarck. in front of me. It is about separating its south-western part from Russia, searching for and educating traitors in the local elite and setting one part of the great people against another. The rest, as Bismarck writes, is a matter of time. Those. speech about the creation of the so-called. of Ukraine and the inclusion of a new ethnonym "Ukrainian" in the linguistic circulation. This book, which is in front of me, was born in 1898. It was written, of course, not in Russian, and therefore the translation is semantic, and not literal. And Bismarck never wrote a word about the intelligentsia. He did not understand the meaning of this word. You, sir, have an early Bolshevik concept about the intelligentsia, which existed before the revolution and years before 1923, that is, until the period when the destroyed economy had to be restored. Here, the attitude of the Bolsheviks to the intelligentsia changes dramatically, since the realization comes that it cannot be restored with a crowbar and a sledgehammer. Brains are needed. And they are just for the class you hate ("class" determines the attitude to property. This is according to Marx. Before him, this concept was not used in this context. Culture, conscience, education and intelligence are your property - you are an intellectual, and if you sledgehammer specialist - then the property is already different).
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    14. demotivator
      demotivator 12 January 2014 09: 26
      +7
      Repentance of Russian delegates: Russia has never been the most reading country (we are not Holland), but the status of a writer is incredibly high ...

      "If only such" Russian "delegates had" diminished "! They are so stupid that not only do they not know the history of their country, but also do not know elementary logic. For example, if, in their opinion, "Russia has never been the most reading country," and the status of a writer was incredibly high, then it is permissible to ask - why is this frightened? If no one in the country reads anything, then where does this high status come from "?
      1. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 10: 37
        +2
        Regarding the fact that Russia was never the most reading country, delegates clearly did not go beyond their own biographies. Lapa they see. Yes, and school is unlikely to finish. Today you can buy diplomas everywhere. And they remembered Holland because there all the newspapers on cigarette rolls from marijuana diverged. It seems like someone is reading them. You should not pay so much attention to underdeveloped individuals. Unless out of compassion ...
    15. mad
      mad 12 January 2014 09: 26
      +6
      Psheks in their repertoire, but opening up your havalnik to Siberia is something new! Or do they look after themselves in labor camps in case the Russian Bear is woken up by yapping?
      But seriously, this is a probing of the situation inspired by the star-hairy in the framework of future battles to divide the natural and hydrocarbon reserves of Siberia. Which they are already trying to declare the universal human pantry of the Earth ...
    16. demotivator
      demotivator 12 January 2014 09: 32
      +3
      Until we have our own picture of the world, our history and ways of explaining it, various “partners” and “colleagues” will broadcast their picture of the world to us and tell our story.

      Correct conclusion. It is impossible to hesitate here, otherwise the Poles are already concerned about Siberia. There is no emptiness in ideology, one has only to give indulgence - as we are immediately thrown in various alien and hostile ideas. True, in a beautiful package, like "protecting the rights of the indigenous peoples of Siberia from Russian imperial ambitions."
      1. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 10: 32
        0
        And how many nations did the Poles trample in the geyrop? After all, everything began with small nations. It was then that they united in numerous nations, who wanted, and who wanted to maintain their identity, they destroyed it. By the way, do you know how many Poles of Little Russians (then Ukrainians have not yet invented) burned and chopped and why did the Pereyaslavskaya Rada later take place? So, gentlemen of the Poles, you don’t try to care about caring for other nations. Europe did not know more selfish and arrogant nations (I write Europe with a small letter. I don’t have enough respect for it).
    17. morpogr
      morpogr 12 January 2014 09: 39
      +4
      The Poles are simply envious of us, and it enrages them that they have neither an imperial nor a Soviet past. Yes, and there is no Polish future, they have only a pan-European one, as they say from Brussels, while Russia itself will build its future without instructions and instructions from outsiders.
      1. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 10: 26
        +1
        So there is something to envy! Our GDP is much higher than in geyrop. It’s just that it’s positive with us, and negative with them. And in the geyropa famine will soon come if the Americans do not deliver plastic food for free.
      2. Robert Nevsky
        Robert Nevsky 12 January 2014 12: 32
        0
        That's for sure, in my opinion!
    18. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 12 January 2014 09: 39
      +2
      They trampled on Russia I remember mother on horseback and in feathers of a feather .. Dreaming of repeating .. heh heh! It didn’t work in Ukraine .. Just let us remember the Speech of the Paspolita .. in Tsarist Russia they spread their rotes well (and Stalin laid them in rows behind their ambition from the Germans was draped ..) .. for everything that they did in Russia .. Again they raise their heads?
      1. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 10: 19
        +1
        Yes, we can remember the year 1612, when we tried to stick our false king on our throne. It didn’t work out. Oh, and we beat them then with the efforts of Minin and Pozharsky. But this is chronic! Not treated.
        1. Sasha1979
          Sasha1979 12 January 2014 22: 29
          0
          It is treated :)))
    19. igorra
      igorra 12 January 2014 09: 41
      +7
      VI Ulyanov somehow called such political prostitutes, so nothing has changed in a century. Our main enemy is our Russian and not only, home-grown, "lousy" intelligentsia. From the fable "Two Friends" (1945) by Sergei Vladimirovich Mikhalkov (b. 1913).
      I know there are more families
      Where our screaming and scolding,
      Where they look with emotion
      On foreign stickers ...
      And lard ... eat Russian! Now they are ready to eat Polish.
    20. Lyapis
      Lyapis 12 January 2014 09: 43
      +10
      I remembered about Siberia and Poland ... laughing
    21. 120352
      120352 12 January 2014 10: 07
      +14
      The Polish citizens have probably forgotten about their dreams of the revival of the Commonwealth from sea to sea, although, of course, they did not forget, but wished to shift their imperial claims onto us. They have no idea that Russia is not just a territory or a state. Russia is a civilization. Therefore, it is self-sufficient and does not need the rationalization proposals of small nations. All ideas for the development of our civilization are generated by the civilization itself in its interactions with the surrounding world. The world perceives us calmly, without aggression - and we are calm and do not bother anyone. Well, if anyone really has a desire to teach us about life, here we can object. In particular, to include this strange product of the "Treaty of Versailles" again within its borders. For educational purposes only. The roots of the Poles are also Slavic, so we are experiencing our responsibility for their condition. Including mental, intellectual. And since they are so concerned about the fate of the peoples of Siberia, the mass resettlement of Poles to Siberia - the embodiment of their dreams - can be organized for them. Only at their expense. (The initiative is theirs). As for the real fate of the peoples of Siberia, a well-known ethnographic and cultural cliché is at work here: they either degenerate or assimilate. The second they do with more pleasure, but with less success. I have been dealing with their problems for 33 years and have seen and experienced all this myself. And now, after returning home, I see around me, though not often, such assimilated ones, and sometimes I talk with them on Skype or correspond in the networks. In my opinion, they are happy that they do not live in yarangas or chums. Now they are representatives of the Russian civilization. Lord temporary Poles - the future peoples of Siberia, probably dream of returning them to the tundra. To a bucket instead of a sewer, to snow instead of a water supply system, to a grease box (an inefficient source of light and heat based on the fat of marine mammals), instead of gas and electricity. Start with yourself. A very rewarding experience. And to teach Russia LIFE - many have tried - an unproductive occupation. By the way, what is the minus in your GDP based on the results of your last year in the EU? (Only Germany ended the year with a slight plus, the rest - in a serious minus. This is understandable. The alliance, created for political purposes against Russia, with the political goal of dragging several failed states from under Russia's influence, had no economic basis. they took and sacrificed Germany to the political dreams of the United States. And that in her genes is written: die, but harm Russia. And she was dying already. Probably liked it). So, gentlemen, distant relatives with great imperial ambitions, it is sometimes useful to think. If there is, based on what (historical memory) and what (gray matter).
    22. Magadan
      Magadan 12 January 2014 10: 33
      +10
      In general, let them shut their mouths about "wild Asians" and "cultured Europeans".
      The whole history shows that Asians will be more cultured than Western Europe.
      1) Hygiene - in Europe for almost a thousand years they did not wash at all
      2) Cruelty - maybe the Japanese (from Asians) and cruel, but no more than the Spanish conquiskadors. And even more so the Anglo-Saxons, who, even in WWII, did not bomb military objects, but sleeping areas. This is what they call "intimidation". And also remember the Boers (descendants of the Dutch) South African - the British for them then the first in the history of the concentration camp invented
      3) Tolerance. The Golden Horde did not infringe upon the Church. Moreover, they executed their own, who robbed temples. In this case, the Horde were entirely pagans or Muslims. The Poles starved the Patriarch because he was against the union with the pope. I’m silent about their inquisition
      4) Robbery of conquered peoples. The Golden Horde paid a ridiculous tribute, and it was irregular, constantly being paid off. Recall India, the Mayans with the Aztecs, all the colonies of the Anglo-Saxons and the slave trade in the United States
      5) Respect for a foreign culture and other nations. Take the Horde again. We recall that the Horde did not climb to Russia (after its subjugation) with their charter. Only claimed for the post of Grand Duke.
      Now we remember the signs of the British in Shanghai: "Chinese and dogs are not allowed."

      Etc. etc. About now I'm generally silent. Cultural Europe with gay pride parades, juvenile justice, humanitarian bombing, sponsoring Wahhabis (which they themselves trained in their time)
      So I personally am a soul with the Asian half of Russia.
    23. Stinger
      Stinger 12 January 2014 10: 52
      +1
      One more teacher! They should discuss with the Germans the identity of the inhabitants of Danzig (present-day Gdansk) with the adjacent territories and the lands of the former “Polish corridor” (Breslau, now Wroclaw), which became part of Poland without a contractual arrangement after the Second World War. Or do they think the Germans forgave them everything?
    24. vasiliysxx
      vasiliysxx 12 January 2014 11: 02
      +2
      Nowadays, one often hears that jokes about the Chukchi in America, for example, tell about the Poles, which means that we can conclude that each nation has its own Chukchi.
    25. common man
      common man 12 January 2014 11: 03
      +2
      I was reading an article now, and I caught myself thinking. Or maybe ours crossed the border of the Soviet Union during the Great Patriotic War? Maybe it was necessary to stop, gain a foothold on the border and see how Poland would assert its independence as a province of the Third Reich? Well, to give the Anglo-Saxons the opportunity to heroically liberate Europe from the Germans. The old woman Shapoklyak remembered her song. "Those who help pshek are wasting their time. Good deeds cannot be made famous with them."
      1. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 12 January 2014 19: 43
        0
        It was precisely necessary to stop at the borders of the USSR and take several billion gold reparations from Germany.
      2. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 12 January 2014 19: 43
        0
        It was precisely necessary to stop at the borders of the USSR and take several billion gold reparations from Germany.
      3. Cynic
        Cynic 12 January 2014 19: 55
        0
        Quote: man in the street
        Or maybe in vain during the Great Patriotic War we crossed the border of the Soviet Union?

        В Civilization not played enough?
        Not talking about stolen and prisoners of war, but leave the unfinished enemy alone ?! Strength or what would be gained?
    26. Shaitan
      Shaitan 12 January 2014 11: 26
      +5
      Bulat, (appeal to the author of the article)
      would you like to attend the prosecutor’s office with experience of attending such an event, as a person who personally visited there !? And you yourself will become famous and you will raise an acute-dangerous question, what do you say?
    27. Victor1
      Victor1 12 January 2014 11: 33
      +2
      The Poles are our enemies, when they received the pindules and for many years became part of the Russian Empire, they understood one thing, they will never defeat us in a fair, direct battle, so they weave intrigues, beat them stealthily, distort history, carry Russophobic propaganda and act like other dirty ones methods. Joint programs with them should be very careful and thoughtful, the state should monitor their activities and control, any attempts at anti-Russian propaganda and other moods, even hidden ones, must be stopped, this is psychological terrorism.
      They learned to brainwash their propaganda well, and Ukraine is a clear example.
    28. Chukcha
      Chukcha 12 January 2014 11: 57
      +2
      Somehow it was presented - "How to teach Russians to overcome the imperial consciousness unnoticed by the orderlies"
    29. Boris63
      Boris63 12 January 2014 12: 30
      +1
      While reading the article, I wanted to write a lot. But after reading the comments, I realized everyone had already written everything. The only thing I would like to add is that we have a lot of oligarchs (almost all are on the "hook"), so set them the task of holding the same events in our country across Western countries. Europe. (Abramovich is how many years Chukotka "fed" until he was "released")
    30. alone
      alone 12 January 2014 12: 33
      -2
      Before speaking about an empire (this applies exclusively to everyone), we must first raise and develop what we have on hand. And then we should dream about empires
      1. alone
        alone 12 January 2014 15: 31
        -1
        I don’t like it when they simply put a minus without explaining their opinion. Do you really think that you have collapsed what remains in your hands completely, can you talk about creating a powerful empire?
    31. Stasi
      Stasi 12 January 2014 12: 41
      +1
      We need to create our own ideology uniting our multinational people and country. An ideology that protects our values ​​and traditions. As long as there is no such ideology created on the basis of a national idea, all Westerners, including Poles, will teach us that. To teach brainwashing so that we become what they need. And this work must be recognized is bearing fruit, Ukraine is an example. By the so-called imperial ambitions, Westerners mean self-esteem, love for their country and Russian culture, national pride. And they are calling for all this to be abandoned, simultaneously inciting ethnic hatred in silence. Opposition to all this by the state is poorly organized, the state still understands and understands this whole thing, poorly understands the effectiveness of the outreach war using all kinds of psychological techniques. But it was precisely thanks to such tactics that the West was able to defeat the USSR by instilling love for its values ​​and hatred for its own. Now work is underway to destroy Russian values ​​and chant Western ones, an attempt to replace concepts and morality.
    32. Altona
      Altona 12 January 2014 12: 41
      0
      It would be better if they invited either the Mazovshe ensemble to Maryla Radovich's concert, but in the imperial consciousness the Poles understand like a janitor in ballet ...
    33. kare
      kare 12 January 2014 12: 48
      0
      It is curious that among the Yakuts and Buryats there are also homosexuals?
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 12 January 2014 13: 39
        +2
        But this is not possible on principle, because they are still close to nature and understand very well that a fagot deer is a "kirdyk" to posterity and therefore a herd and it must be cut urgently.
    34. kare
      kare 12 January 2014 12: 56
      +1
      Does anyone know how to place our dialogue on this resource in the media of psheks?
    35. ed65b
      ed65b 12 January 2014 13: 11
      +2
      Let them go just in time for the adoption of the new law to the article themselves and run over. The authorities identify the talkers and scribblers and carefully writes everything down. And Psheki, .... let the choke saliva choke, the dog barks, the caravan goes, they are not authorities for us.
    36. Altona
      Altona 12 January 2014 13: 17
      0
      Quote: kare
      It is curious that among the Yakuts and Buryats there are also homosexuals?

      -------------------------
      It is unlikely ... Surely such advanced people live with deer ...
    37. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 12 January 2014 13: 32
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      And Psheki .... let the babbling sick with saliva choke, the dog barks, the caravan goes, they are not authorities for us.

      Lyakhov to annoy the sacred cause ..! (I have a wife with Polish blood) "Imperial bitch" I would say ha ha ha Going around .. scratching ..! laughing But loves!
      But seriously, Poland has long been a small nation .. (deciding nothing ..) one ambition and memories .... The imperial spirit still knocked out of them imperial feathers .. USSR added .. And near Smolensk God himself punished them! we don’t impose friendship on them .. but if everything is REPEATED .. !!
    38. Altona
      Altona 12 January 2014 13: 40
      +4
      Even Pilsudski spoke poorly about the Poles ... Nothing could be planned militarily, officers of the Polish General Staff immediately sold copies of documents ... And this was true throughout the Polish economy, and Pilsudski was a remarkable person ...
      But we will not find fault with all Poles ... There were also real people - Konstantin Rokossovsky, Wojciech Jaruzelski ... And "researchers" of imperial consciousness are simply working off another grant with pre-written theses and an agenda ...
    39. Bosk
      Bosk 12 January 2014 13: 41
      +3
      I don’t understand this logic, if a man considers himself Napoleon, then he must be treated, but if he considers himself a woman ... then this seems to be normal ... Nonsense!
    40. sscha
      sscha 12 January 2014 13: 42
      +1
      In order not to be verbose, I will say briefly - tired of it !!! am
      Tired of all these creeps of the liberals! wassat
      Tired of - lecture, lecture!
      Teach better than your spider! angry hi
    41. luka095
      luka095 12 January 2014 13: 46
      +2
      Quote: kaktus
      Russian writers (from Simeon of Polotsk to Akunin) gradually began to feel themselves as intercessors from society before the authorities, instructed the rulers; when everything collapsed in the 90s, the institute of writers remained standing; since the 90s in 20 years, not a single institute of civil society has appeared in Russia, except for the institute of writers; very significant was the general Moscow walk of the democratic public in the person of writers - ideologists of protest - Akunin, Ulitskaya, Bykov, Rubinshtein; Akunin from a fiction writer turned into a historian, and Tolokonnikova’s letters from the camp are today perceived as Herzen’s literary messages; what to do with this indestructible institution is unknown ...

      Fuck, okay "Russian" writer-historian Akunin, mad n ... has already changed sex and became Herzen.
      All of them are very fond of presenting their own actions as public of universal significance.
      And the Poles, in this case, are true to themselves - they want to be mentors for the "democrats" in Siberia, right up to Kamchatka.
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      1. Lelek
        Lelek 12 January 2014 17: 32
        +2
        Pönkne. Now, if on the contrary, nobility within the Kuril Islands with an enclave - Muscovy within the Kremlin wall. wassat
      2. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 12 January 2014 18: 19
        +5
        Quote: berd
        .Peculiarly to the Poles it is a shame that Russia is so big and rich in all sorts of useful things --- oil, gas, etc. they perceive this as a grave personal insult and injustice ..

        Do not go to the doctor - this phantom pains Polish society for the failed opportunity to become an older brother in a Slavic family. A kind of continuous "cry of the Polish Yaroslavna", when in the process of sprinkling (stupid) ashes on the head and smearing tears and snot on dirty cheeks, the Polish people forgets about the true reason for what happened. Because there is no need to analyze the mournful facts of history, to look for the true reason, but you can IMMEDIATELY and WITHOUT Doubt point to the "culprit" of ALL misfortunes.
        Well, what to take from the holy fools?
      3. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 12 January 2014 19: 45
        0
        Apparently this is already at the genetic level - it is poorly treated laughing
      4. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 12 January 2014 19: 45
        0
        Apparently this is already at the genetic level - it is poorly treated laughing
      5. poquello
        poquello 12 January 2014 23: 03
        +1
        Quote: berd
        ... The fear of Russia in general is somehow abnormal - they say --- yes nah .... she (Russia) doesn’t need you --- in response - ,, they will come, they always come ,, !!? ? ...

        in vain do you reassure them, that’s how they’ll go to Siberia if we don’t come to them? They want Siberia - it’s not a question, we will even provide travel.
        1. Cynic
          Cynic 13 January 2014 16: 47
          +1
          Quote: poquello
          They want Siberia - not a question

          Well, on ... is there a need ?! Look at Kolyma frames needed _
    43. sscha
      sscha 12 January 2014 13: 53
      +2
      On "Military Materials" a notable article - "Yankee, go home"
      Just the topic! hi
    44. tank64rus
      tank64rus 12 January 2014 13: 59
      +3
      If the Polish branch of the CIA is engaged in indoctrination of OUR YOUTH, this is not surprising. Another thing is surprising how freely such NGOs feel on the territory of our Motherland. The last division of Russia is being prepared and that is why such "seminars" are beginning. Prepare their "cadres" for work with us. THIS IS A WAR, albeit an informational one. I wonder who sponsored the visit of such "teachers" to this "seminar". Maybe all the same we have people standing guard over the interests of Russia.
    45. tank64rus
      tank64rus 12 January 2014 13: 59
      +2
      If the Polish branch of the CIA is engaged in indoctrination of OUR YOUTH, this is not surprising. Another thing is surprising how freely such NGOs feel on the territory of our Motherland. The last division of Russia is being prepared and that is why such "seminars" are beginning. Prepare their "cadres" for work with us. THIS IS A WAR, albeit an informational one. I wonder who sponsored the visit of such "teachers" to this "seminar". Maybe all the same we have people standing guard over the interests of Russia.
    46. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 12 January 2014 14: 11
      +3
      Quote: sscha
      On "Military Materials" a notable article - "Yankee, go home"
      Just the topic! hi

      Why "Go home" .. We don’t want to .. We first go to them .. And then the showdown .. (Indians will support us .. and Afro ...) .. I think Negroes are generally cooler than Jews .. (genocide ..) they must give for everything they did in world politics .. Indians are generally extermination and robbery .. insolent .. (Russia has 7 trillion at a time) ..
    47. vlad.svargin
      vlad.svargin 12 January 2014 14: 19
      +1
      The Polish bourgeois landlord state emerged after the First World Imperialist War at the behest of the Entente, which intended Poland to be a buffer and battering ram state directed against the Soviet Union. ("The Military Defeat of the Polish State" by A. De Lazari)

      It is quite true that the ruling elite of the Entente countries strove by this step to create a temporary "cordon sanitaire" for a time until the defeat of Soviet Russia. They did not even legalize the border with Russia at that time, although in the west everything was agreed at the highest level.
      Even as the Commonwealth, Poland was used by Europe as an instrument against Russia.
      Apparently even now "for certain financial injections" they, as always, are "used" by encouraging gentry ambition, all the same Anglo-Saxon "predators" (Siberia, it is known where the wind blows from, from the other shores of the Antlantica have long been "dreaming" about it)
    48. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 12 January 2014 14: 23
      +1
      Poland climbs out of its skin to show off in front of its overseas puppeteer. She imagined herself to be the "herald" of the "Eastern policy". Poland's hostility to Russia is well known and there is no need to discuss it. The actions of our native "intelligentsia" are outraged. Why do representatives of Russian university science assent to the NATO ideological enemies of Russia? Why are they humiliating their country? From this we can conclude: in our institutes and universities little work is being done on the ideological preparation of not only students but also teachers. And this problem must be solved immediately!
    49. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 12 January 2014 14: 26
      +3
      People, why did you get to the bottom of the Poles? Who are the Poles to pay any attention to them? What do we care about what they “think” in the strategic foreground? We made allies out of them, we did, but allies out of the Poles are like a bullet out of shit. Now they are just a glove. You need to watch your hands, your hands ...
      In general, the owners summoned their henchmen to transfer the next tranche of payment (it will not be transferred through the NPO now) to the nearest Polish site. Since it is impossible to go to the States nowadays - reputational losses. This hairy Russian people can unleash fighting bears on "their intellectual elite". Well, it's time to modernize the methodology, insert, so to speak, the cartridge personally. Because the "Russian intellectual elite" on the Internet in the first place is not cut. She reads it with difficulty, and only with understanding ... Instructions are not straightforward, just shook too much on the net - and goodbye Navalny, hello the branded traitor.
      And secondly, the intellectuals need visible confirmation - they can be taken out at any time. And then bears ... We are no longer called turners from Perm. And for ".potsreota" they can find it outside the network, it's already dumb ... so the current name is quilted jackets. Well, yes, on the correct Russian person a sweatshirt sits like a tuxedo, or even better - much more convenient. And there is where to place the muscles, and if something happens it is not a pity to get dirty ... So the intelligentsia fears to their wet pants that the quilted jackets will finally mature. And this can happen at any moment. And then our sweatshirts will definitely get dirty ...
      So if they did not receive regular confirmation that they can easily escape from the country they are betraying, the majority would quickly move away from "human rights activities and the formation of mentality." In my opinion, the damage caused by these scum is seriously underestimated by the authorities.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 12 January 2014 18: 05
        +1
        I completely agree with you about the Poles, but about the "intelligentsia" - I disagree a little. Poles generally invite all sorts of marginalized people who consider themselves intellectuals who will give them a lot of things to drink about how scary it is to live in Russia, how we oppress and tyrannize everyone here ... As they say - any whim for your money, ugh, that is, grants ... Although the most interesting thing is that these same gentlemen from Siberia with some very Russian names and surnames can calmly throw mud at Russia in Poland, and when they come back to us, they can tell what all Poles are bad there ... But business ...
        Normal academic scholars with authority, including from among Siberian indigenous people, will never speak at such events))
    50. Oh no no no
      Oh no no no 12 January 2014 15: 58
      +3
      ..............