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The resettlement program: why Russians move to Russia past the state

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The resettlement program: why Russians move to Russia past the stateThe published FMS monitoring of the implementation of the program for the voluntary resettlement of compatriots to Russia paints a disappointing picture. This year, almost half as many immigrants arrived in the Russian Federation than in the previous year. Since the FMS statistics covers a long period, it is obvious that the migration activity of compatriots has noticeably decreased. It's time to think - why?


Plans and reality

In the FMS monitoring, several indicators are monitored, the main ones being the number of applications for participation in the resettlement program, as well as the actual compatriots and their family members. The number of applications is not equal to the number of immigrants. After receiving applications and questionnaires are sent to the regions participating in the resettlement program (according to the FMS - 40 subjects of the Russian Federation), which have their own programs and consider documents for compliance with their requirements (first of all - existing vacancies). If the candidate does not meet the criteria of the region for education and qualifications, he will be refused.

With statements this year, everything is more or less in order, but the number of immigrants themselves is much less than in the previous one. According to the FMS, on 1 of October, 141,3 thousands of questionnaires were taken on 311,6 thousands of people (along with family members). A total of 1 thousand immigrants and their family members arrived on the territory of Russia to 146,7 October, including 2013 thousand, or 21,3% from last year’s level in 57,1. That is, the number of immigrants this year was twice lower than last year. The results of the third quarter look especially depressing, when only 6,1 thousand people moved to Russia. - less than a third of last year’s level.

If the data of the third quarter can still be attributed to the action of some short-term conjuncture factors, then a two-fold drop in the number of immigrants during the year does not fit this logic. Perhaps the transition from the old to the new version of the program played a role. However, the resettlement plans were not fulfilled even in its previous edition - it was planned to resettle compatriots to Russia in the hundreds of thousands. In 2006, the director of the Federal Migration Service, K. Romodanovsky, said that in the next three years, Russia is ready to accept 300 thousands of compatriots. In 2007 – 2012 it was planned to resettle 700 thousand people in the Russian Federation, but in reality only 125 thousand arrived. The reality turned out to be more than five times more modest than the declared plans.

New Relocation Program

14 September 2012 Mr. V. Putin signed a decree introducing a new compatriots resettlement program, which, unlike the previous program, has become indefinite. Novelty is not only in perpetuity, in its conditions there have also been significant changes. Compatriots can now choose a place of residence, not focusing only on existing vacancies. The entire territory of the program, and not its individual regions, as before, became the territory of the invasion. Instead of the previous three, the new program divides the subjects of the Russian Federation into two categories - ordinary and priority. The regions of priority settlement include only the Far East regions: Buryatia, Zabaykalsky, Kamchatsky, Primorsky, Khabarovsky krais, Amurskaya, Irkutskaya, Magadanskaya, Sakhalin oblasts and Jewish Autonomous Region. Those who move to these regions have significantly increased the amount of lifting - 240 thousand rubles. head of the family and 120 thousand for each of its members. Relocating to other subjects of the Russian Federation will receive all 20 thousand for the head of the family and for 10 thousand for all the others. The circle of family members, which now includes not only the wife (husband) and children, but also the parents of both spouses, their sisters and brothers with children, grandmothers, grandfathers and grandchildren, has also been markedly expanded.

The Ministry of Regional Development, which is responsible for the implementation of the program, plans to annually relocate thousands of people to Russia on 300. Its funding, according to the head of the ministry Igor Slyunyaev, has tripled - from a little over 1 billion rubles. in 2013 to 3 billion rubles. in 2014, however, whether these plans can be realized is a big question. All previous targets remained on paper. The most successful in terms of the number of immigrants is still 2012, when 62,9 thousand people moved to Russia. - half of all compatriots who moved home during the 2007-2012 years. But even this figure is five times less than the figures that the Ministry of Regional Development intends to achieve next year. Even despite the noticeable improvement in the conditions of the program compared to its previous wording, one should not expect such a sharp increase in the number of immigrants.

Most immigrants still migrate to Russia on their own, without the help of the state. Thus, from Kazakhstan, which provided 34% of all immigrants in the third quarter, according to the program for January-September, about 7,3 thousand people moved to the Russian Federation. At the same time, in January-October, 43,1 thousand arrived in Russia from Kazakhstan, according to Rosstat, and the net migration inflow (including those leaving in the opposite direction) amounted to 33,3 thousand. That is, thanks to the program, only about 1 / 5 compatriots arrived in the Russian Federation, while the rest preferred to move to their homeland on their own. The same situation is with other CIS countries. From Ukraine to Russia for 10 months, 45,1 thousand people moved. (net inflow - 30,4 ths.), and under the state program - less than 1 thous. people, from Uzbekistan, respectively, 96,8 (54,8) thous. and about 4,5 thous.

What is missing compatriots?

The main problems of immigrants - housing and work. And the first of them is much more important than the second. If there is no particular problem with work after receiving the documents, then everything is exactly the opposite with housing. Some chances to buy their housing will be obtained only by those who, according to the new version of the program, will go to the Far East, and even then, most likely, it will be possible to buy it only in rural areas or small settlements. But there is another problem in the Far East - with work there is noticeably worse than in other regions of Russia. It is no coincidence that the majority of immigrants in the third quarter of this year preferred the Central (48%), Northwestern (24,9%) or Siberian (17,7%) federal districts, and the Far East chose only 2,3% of compatriots. Without housing prospects, potential migrants who have furnished houses or apartments in their country of residence can decide to move with great difficulty.

State policy on the resettlement of compatriots can be made more effective by linking it with the implementation of major infrastructure, industrial, construction, agricultural and other projects, earning targeted labor for them in the republics of the former USSR. In fact, without such a connection, the resettlement program does not make sense.

The only way to solve the housing problem is to provide land and / or soft loans, which will give people the opportunity to feel the future. Such a policy will correspond to the model of integrated development of the territory, which is just necessary for Siberia and the Far East. Moreover, the emphasis must be placed on the Russian-speaking, Slavic population, whose share among the displaced people today is more than half.

Extremely weak participation in resettlement is now taking Ukraine, which, however, is among the leaders in the number of labor migrants in the Russian Federation. Meanwhile, a migrant worker is already half a migrant. Consequently, the resettlement policy should act not only outside, but also inside the country, agitating Ukrainians to transport families to Russia and become full citizens of the Russian Federation. Only then the program will become not just a way to fill the population decline, but an effective tool for socio-economic development and the preservation of the traditional ethnocultural image of Russia.
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  1. kaktus
    kaktus 11 January 2014 16: 00
    +6
    +! Still the result - it would be completely good ....
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 12 January 2014 07: 16
      +18
      Quote: kaktus
      +! Still the result - it would be completely good ....

      And where do you see the "+"?
      Those who move to these regions have significantly increased the amount of lifting - 240 thousand rubles. the head of the family and 120 thousand for each of its members. Relocating to other subjects of the Russian Federation will receive only 20 thousand for the head of the family and 10 thousand for all the rest.

      Is it possible to move to a new place and start life from "0" for the proposed amount? And what result can you expect?
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 12 January 2014 08: 03
        -5
        Quote: Garrin
        Is it possible to move to a new place and start life from "0" for the proposed amount? And what result can you expect?


        The answer to this question is the constantly decreasing number of people leaving the country and the growing number of people entering + returning. And the leaders are far from Central Asia, but just the same Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan.
        And do not confuse labor migration and resettlement.
        1. 120352
          120352 12 January 2014 11: 27
          +4
          Lying is not good!
          1. sledgehammer102
            sledgehammer102 12 January 2014 11: 48
            +3
            Quote: 120352
            Lying is not good!

            Hde?
            a very good question is what percentage of those coming to permanent residence are Slavs, and there are many of them.
            Moreover, over the past 12 years, the share of Russians in the population of the Russian Federation has not only not fallen, but increased from 79% to 81%
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 12 January 2014 08: 23
        +12
        Quote: Garrin
        Is it possible to move to a new place and start life from "0" for the proposed amount? And what result can you expect?
        --- well ....... the "leaders" have their own vision ....... and then it has zero coincidences with reality, they never wave .........
        1. 120352
          120352 12 January 2014 11: 28
          +3
          So it’s not for free that the authorities work! Order fulfill.
      3. Starfish
        Starfish 12 January 2014 10: 39
        +9
        "And what result can you expect?"

        just the way we all see. Russians do not need our government.
        so such programs do that it seems that there is a program, but no immigrants. so conceived.
        1. Troitsky
          Troitsky 12 January 2014 12: 43
          +4
          If they were not needed, the program would not have been.
          By the way, I know the person who, according to this program, moved to Russia, though he had money for the floor of the apartment + credit, he found work + lifting payments, he lives and enjoys.
          And if you read the article, you will understand that there is still a result, although not what you want.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 18: 29
            0
            Quote: Trinity
            And if you read the article, you will understand that there is still a result, although not what you want.

            there is definitely
            1. Kolya
              Kolya 13 January 2014 00: 20
              0
              The fact that the program exists is already good. The fact that it is not fulfilled and on investment-effectiveness is a failure (47 thousand rubles cost one immigrant to the budget in 2013) - this is very bad. Nevertheless, the program should be, and much more needs to be done to make it work. First of all, those who are responsible for the program should not be responsible for its existence but for its implementation.
        2. 31231
          31231 12 January 2014 18: 10
          +1
          If immigrants are not needed by the state, then can you give a comparison of other states where immigrants are needed ?! Let's say with Kazakhstan, Belarus, Azerbaijan. How much do ethnic Kazakhs, Belarusians, Azerbaijanis pay for the resettlement there?
          1. DPN
            DPN 13 January 2014 00: 04
            0
            Russia occupies 1/6 of the land and should not be confused with the republics whose territory is with Gulkin FNL. So the Russian-speaking population must be lured to Russia by KALACHI. Another thing is that there is no work either. Mostly security guards in stores work. In Soviet times, in addition to the cashiers, there is no protection whatsoever, only the time of the labeled one does not need to be remembered, the scoundrel still lives on.
        3. ele1285
          ele1285 12 January 2014 18: 33
          +2
          Quote: Starfish
          just the way we all see. Russians do not need our government.
          so such programs do that it seems that there is a program, but no immigrants. so conceived.

          This is the very point. Natural window dressing.
      4. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 11: 26
        +15
        "By their fruits you will know them." And the fruits are obvious. Impossible to move! Finding a job is impossible. How to live ?! So thanks to the "authorities". They give everything for the move, and everything so that the Russians could not move. Obviously, if we proceed, again, from their fruits, there is a systematic, albeit hidden from us, replacement of the Russian population with civilizationally alien ones. The planned result is the destruction of Russian civilization. I wonder how much was paid for this?
        1. 31231
          31231 12 January 2014 18: 14
          +3
          Blessed, I have three families of friends who moved in the nineties from Kazakhstan to Eburg. Found a job right away. Not smart, but enough for a start. Now they have already bought housing, albeit partially through a mortgage, but they work and do not wrap snot on a fist.
          If someone accuses the authorities of pile of laziness, then this is his problem.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 18: 36
          +4
          Quote: 120352
          . Impossible to move! Finding a job is impossible. How to live ?!

          what stupidity, all whom I know migrants found work, well, and therefore moved, including me

          for the sake of all the saints, do not invent from yourself, yes it’s difficult, hard, but forgive it is not to move to the next street
          so that it is not necessary to say IMPOSSIBLE, there is nothing impossible
        3. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 18: 36
          0
          Quote: 120352
          . Impossible to move! Finding a job is impossible. How to live ?!

          what stupidity, all whom I know migrants found work, well, and therefore moved, including me

          for the sake of all the saints, do not invent from yourself, yes it’s difficult, hard, but forgive it is not to move to the next street
          so that it is not necessary to say IMPOSSIBLE, there is nothing impossible
      5. Homo
        Homo 12 January 2014 13: 48
        +9
        Quote: Garrin
        Is it possible to move to a new place and start life from "0" for the proposed amount? And what result can you expect?

        Are you a resident of Moscow, St. Petersburg or a large regional center? And they are very far from the realities of life in small towns, villages, villages. In Russia, a lot of people live in rented apartments, houses, rooms, do not have a job and no one offers them any programs, no "lift"! Do you propose to provide the migrants with housing and work, and for the first time to plant them? And what was the fault of those Russians who live in poorly adapted premises, cannot find a permanent job? Before talking about the "poor" immigrants, try to find out how the citizens of Russia have never left anywhere (for a happy life and a long ruble)! There are still many problems within Russia itself. And in my opinion, first you need to solve the problems of those who live in Russia and then think about those who, once and for some reason (not always specious), left their homeland and now decided to return!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 14: 07
          +14
          Quote: Homo
          and then think about those who once and for some reason (not always specious) abandoned their homeland and now decided to return!

          they started like normal and ended up with such stupidity that it means they abandoned their homeland, I was born in a city that built my great-grandfather as one of the southern military fortifications of the Russian Empire, my mother came to Alma-Ata at the age of seven, where my grandmother moved after exile from Aban, and now explain How did I leave my homeland? !!!!
          Moreover, for many Russians living outside of Russia (and after 91 there are about 20 million, this is about 14% of the Russian population of Russia) Russia is more homeland than for those who were born in it, in any case, the word "rashaka" is unacceptable for us.
          but about the fact that there is a problem with housing, so in front of the cities to the village, believe me you will find housing or weak? !!
          1. Homo
            Homo 12 January 2014 15: 08
            -4
            I did not write specifically about you, I wrote about everyone who wants to return, and among them there is also the category that I mentioned.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 15: 20
              +9
              Quote: Homo
              I did not write specifically about you, I wrote about everyone who wants to return

              that's it, what about everyone
              sorry, but these "all" raised the virgin soil, built monitoring stations on Balkhash, built Baikonur, etc., etc.
              freeloaders are missing everywhere and I'm sorry in the Russian Federation they are in percentage terms more than among immigrants
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          2. Homo
            Homo 12 January 2014 15: 13
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            but about the fact that there is a problem with housing, so in front of the cities to the village, believe me you will find housing or weak? !!

            This once again confirms my words that you are most likely from a big city. I live in a very small regional center, in the suburbs, in the private sector (almost a village). Yes, I have housing, but hardly any of the "immigrants" would want to move into such housing, and I cannot find a permanent job. In our city, there is simply not enough of it for everyone.
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            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 15: 17
              +2
              Quote: Homo
              This once again confirms my words that you are most likely from a big city. I live in a very small district center, in the suburbs, in the private sector (almost a village)

              I live on a farm (this is one really big house by the river on the outskirts of the forest), I moved from the city of the millionaire capital of the republic
        2. makarick
          makarick 12 January 2014 20: 39
          +7
          Homo. No one THROWN THE HOMELAND !!! But on the contrary, they drove by order of the Motherland! But ... the time has come and we have changed either the Motherland or the capital.
        3. Kolya
          Kolya 13 January 2014 00: 31
          +2
          Quote: Homo
          then think about those who once and for some reason (not always specious) abandoned their homeland and now decided to return!

          The homeland was big! Pieces were cut off from the Motherland and people there did not remain of their own free will.
      6. shtanko.49
        shtanko.49 12 January 2014 14: 41
        +8
        We need to offer people land for free and set up production of prefabricated panel houses, sell it on credit at affordable prices and large families for free. This would also suit the Russians, in the USSR such projects helped a lot, especially for young people, they were built quickly and cheaply, people still live in them.
      7. avg
        avg 12 January 2014 17: 09
        +11
        Quote: Garrin
        Is it possible to move to a new place and start life from "0" for the proposed amount? And what result can you expect?

        I completely agree. Those who pass such laws for a large sum go to a restaurant.
        I have already said that I love football, I love it very much. But, without picking, he would exchange the future World Cup for housing for immigrants, strengthening defense capabilities, financing science and education, and other similar programs.
      8. I am
        I am 12 January 2014 17: 33
        +6
        A rollback from relocated ????? FMS officials openly tell us rogues are not needed, chase money and relocate, and when they remind you about the resettlement program, the conversation ends ........ Even those who wanted to relocate have already repelled the entire Wishlist. And the amount is from 120 thousand per person to 300 per family, and the argument is iron, you lived in the old place and probably sold it, so that it’s not money ** you have the money, but don’t want to pay, so you no one called here. I myself did not encounter directly, but my friend in the factory branch of the FMS of our city almost literally said all this ......
        1. 225chay
          225chay 12 January 2014 19: 53
          +2
          Quote: I am
          A rollback from relocated ????? FMS officials openly tell us rogues are not needed, chase money and relocate, and when they remind you about the resettlement program, the conversation ends ........ Even those who wanted to relocate have already repelled the entire Wishlist. And the amount is from 120 thousand per person to 300 per family, and the argument is iron, you lived in the old place and probably sold it, so that it’s not money ** you have the money, but don’t want to pay, so you no one called here. I myself did not encounter directly, but my friend in the factory branch of the FMS of our city almost literally said all this ......

          Anastasia! you say everything correctly, but why do you use foul language ...))
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 19: 55
          +2
          Quote: I am
          amounts from 120 thousand per person to 300 per family

          but de you can say that ?!
          not a single penny was extorted from me, in the FMS the girls were extremely courteous and polite
          1. Kolya
            Kolya 13 January 2014 00: 42
            +3
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Quote: I am
            amounts from 120 thousand per person to 300 per family

            but de you can say that ?!
            not a single penny was extorted from me, in the FMS the girls were extremely courteous and polite

            If you personally have had painless experience, this does not mean that there is no more corruption in Russia, especially in the FMS.
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            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2014 00: 53
              -2
              There is corruption, but it’s not necessary to write nonsense, first of all, the person to participate in the resettlement program is decided not by the FMS but by the consulates of the countries where the potential migrant lives by agreement with the government of the region participating in the program, and secondly, what is the point of the program if you pay a bribe that is significantly exceeds lifting, it’s easier to pay for citizenship, hence the conclusion that this man who came up with is basically not up to date
          2. Artmark
            Artmark 13 January 2014 14: 21
            0
            I welcome this program in Armenia, too, so people came from Armenia to the Tyumen region. and they were refused to give the money that according to the law it is supposed and did not provide housing .. and in order to move to the Kaliningrad region under this program, you must pay 4 thousand dollars per family!
        3. 31231
          31231 12 January 2014 22: 44
          -2
          Have you read the article? How can you pay a rollback of 20 thousand rubles from 120 thousand? You in your charge remind Navalny. The main thing is to blur, and there he picks it up.
          If there are arguments, prove your accusation? Or are you not Anastasia, but Julia? Julia Latynina.
      9. Tersky
        Tersky 12 January 2014 18: 43
        +4
        Quote: Garrin
        Is it possible to move to a new place and start life from "0" for the proposed amount? And what result can you expect?

        Igor hi ! At one time I was on my own, in 92 I managed to sell an apartment in Grozny for a pittance. With this "money" I decided to build a small house in the Rostov region .... The result, alas, is deplorable. Taking into account the fact that in a new place neither acquaintances, nor acquaintances quickly descend from heaven to earth. Just yesterday I looked at the Vesti 24 interview of Kozak, so this "gentleman" persistently assured the journalist that all the troubles of interethnic relations were due to the fact that migrants from the former republics were poor ... wassat. Therefore, they are engaged in robbery, theft, etc. That is, it turns out we are to blame for their poverty laughing Moreover, he shared plans to subsidize local governing bodies, so that they, in turn, would provide financial assistance to the "poor" and "affected" migrants. Here is the answer to the question, whose ears are hiding behind ...
        1. 225chay
          225chay 12 January 2014 19: 58
          +3
          Quote: Tersky
          ! At one time I was on my own, in 92 I managed to sell an apartment in Grozny for a pittance. With this "money" I decided to build a small house in the Rostov region .... The result, alas, is deplorable.

          Our people who managed to escape from Grozny alive did not receive any help, except for a penny ...
          Lying
          Kazlina is this Cossack and who is his superiors. Genocide of our population takes place.
    2. 120352
      120352 12 January 2014 11: 22
      +1
      And where can the result come from? You are our idealist!
    3. kris
      kris 12 January 2014 13: 02
      +4
      Quote: kaktus
      Meanwhile, a labor migrant is already half an immigrant.

      what nonsense the author writes.
  2. makarov
    makarov 11 January 2014 16: 05
    +5
    ".. it is obvious that the migration activity of compatriots has noticeably decreased. It's time to think - why?"

    Yes, here it is generally simpler than a steamed turnip, the site has a comment under the nickname SASHKA, he can clearly tell and tell all the "delights" of resettlement !!!
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 12 January 2014 09: 46
      +9
      I will add from the experience of relatives who moved a couple of years ago. Despite the fact that they had an ideal case, Russian customs began to create problems when registering a car. They turned to the FSB for help and it immediately turned out that everything was legal. And so, would have flown a pretty penny.
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    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 13: 28
      +1
      Quote: makarov
      the site has a comment under the nickname SASHKA, he can clearly tell and tell all the "delights" of resettlement !!!

      well, not only him, and it is not necessary so sarcastically, of course there are problems about the "charms", but they can be solved
      1. makarov
        makarov 12 January 2014 14: 23
        +3
        Is the question in sarcasm ??? If the Russian Homeland (or the government) does not recognize OWNERS ON arrival, then what is sarcasm here ??
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 14: 26
          +5
          Quote: makarov
          upon arrival does not recognize their

          I can’t speak for everyone, I can only speak for myself
          Russia does not need to recognize me as its own, the main thing is that I recognize Russia as my Motherland, maybe that's why there were no special problems
          1. Alex_Popovson
            Alex_Popovson 12 January 2014 14: 38
            +2
            Judge Wrong
            Russia does not need to recognize me as its own, the main thing is that I recognize Russia as my Motherland

            Feels you have no children. Or you are not going to start them. Not only love for mother Russia (now very illusive) we are alive. Have you considered how much you need for Life in Moscow? And what is it like to live, for example, in the outback?
            "I love my country, but I hate the state."
            Homeland accepted you? You just got lucky, how lucky the minority is. And what you are lucky would not be worth building for good.
            In Russia, they never really cared about people. "Do not regret the soldier, women still give birth." Cynical, but this is what reveals the whole point.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 14: 54
              +1
              Quote: Alex_Popovson
              Feels you have no children. Or you are not going to start them. Not only love for mother Russia (now very illusive) we are alive.

              Well, how did you bring up
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 15: 11
                +3
                Quote: Alex_Popovson
                Homeland accepted you? You just got lucky, how lucky the minority is. And what you are lucky would not be worth building for good.

                let's leave about "lucky".
                what I was lucky in that I was not too lazy to submit documents to call the regional government and find out what documents are required for permission to participate in the program, in that I got in touch with the FMS and customs for earlier I learned what and how, or maybe in the fact that I sat in nete for two months and picked up a house, and after another two weeks I wandered around the area choosing what was already selected? !!!
                What exactly was I lucky with? !!!!
                October we decided to move in January, we already had a house and in March we moved, I'm sorry not to chew snot, but to act, ask to find out what to do after not making round eyes, surprised to learn that it turns out that state duties should compensate
                1. Kolya
                  Kolya 13 January 2014 01: 30
                  +2
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  let's leave about "lucky".
                  what I was lucky in that I was not too lazy to submit documents to call the regional government and find out what documents are required for permission to participate in the program, in that I got in touch with the FMS and customs for earlier I learned what and how, or maybe in the fact that I sat in nete for two months and picked up a house, and after another two weeks I wandered around the area choosing what was already selected? !!!
                  What exactly was I lucky with? !!!!
                  October we decided to move in January, we already had a house and in March we moved, I'm sorry not to chew snot, but to act, ask to find out what to do after not making round eyes, surprised to learn that it turns out that state duties should compensate

                  I’ve been surfing the Internet for a year, phoned several regional customs, several regional FMS, three representative offices in consulates and wrote too, spent money on translations (pointless), called the FMS, wrote to the FMS. They created so many barriers that still angry
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                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2014 10: 10
                    0
                    Quote: Kohl
                    I’ve been surfing the Internet for a year, phoned several regional customs, several regional FMS, three representative offices in consulates and wrote too, spent money on translations (pointless),

                    sorry, what’s the problem ?!
                    where and what are your obstacles?
                    especially customs and the Federal Migration Service if you haven’t received it yet, as I understand it, you’re abroad
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 15: 11
                +2
                Quote: Alex_Popovson
                Homeland accepted you? You just got lucky, how lucky the minority is. And what you are lucky would not be worth building for good.

                let's leave about "lucky".
                what I was lucky in that I was not too lazy to submit documents to call the regional government and find out what documents are required for permission to participate in the program, in that I got in touch with the FMS and customs for earlier I learned what and how, or maybe in the fact that I sat in nete for two months and picked up a house, and after another two weeks I wandered around the area choosing what was already selected? !!!
                What exactly was I lucky with? !!!!
                October we decided to move in January, we already had a house and in March we moved, I'm sorry not to chew snot, but to act, ask to find out what to do after not making round eyes, surprised to learn that it turns out that state duties should compensate
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            3. 31231
              31231 12 January 2014 22: 50
              +1
              Dexterously on liberal you instructed liberal insertions
              "I love my country, but I hate the state."

              "Do not regret the soldier, women still give birth."


              Only I do not see these expressions in a comment by Vladimir Vasilenko. And you present as if these were his phrases.
            4. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 23: 08
              0
              Quote: Alex_Popovson
              Have you considered how much you need for Life in Moscow? And what is it like to live, for example, in the outback?

              no damn, I live on the ruble
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  3. saag
    saag 12 January 2014 06: 49
    +7
    housing issue however, everything else is secondary
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 12 January 2014 10: 01
      +13
      The housing issue is the most expensive question, but it is at least objective since it is relevant for Russians. And here:
      translation of documents (usually not less than $ 1000)
      confirmation of diploma (6 months + money)
      Customs (a separate topic, as soon as you turn there they make you a criminal and begin to extradite with good money).
      - These problems are artificial and in reality constitute a very serious barrier for migrants.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 13: 29
        +1
        Quote: Kohl
        translation of documents (usually not less than $ 1000)

        do not write nonsense, either you got divorced or you make a mistake
        1. 225chay
          225chay 12 January 2014 20: 06
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          do not write nonsense, either you got divorced or you make a mistake

          Ivanovich, this is of course not my business, but Kolya, but filter the bazaar.
          A person writes what he encountered. Does anyone have doubts about the ability of officials to strip a mere mortal?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 20: 14
            +1
            I’m filtering the bazaar, it’s either nonsense, or a divorce, I'm sorry, but I collected these pieces of paper and somehow I’ll orient myself in prices.
            if they tell you here that you fret bought for 100 euros, how do you react to this ?!
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        2. Kolya
          Kolya 13 January 2014 01: 42
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote: Kohl
          translation of documents (usually not less than $ 1000)

          do not write nonsense, either you got divorced or you make a mistake

          if only a birth certificate, passport and certificate from school it will certainly be less. And if the whole bundle of documents is $ 30 apiece and copies to them, and even if it’s for family members, and if, upon arrival, applying to RVP, only local transfers are capricious, let's do it in a new circle, then there will be much more! So Vladimir take your words back. Doubters can look at the forum of immigrants to feel the severity of the issue. You have Vladimir, although it turned out smoothly with the move, but there is a problem - you measure the world on your own.
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          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2014 10: 00
            0
            Quote: Kohl
            if only a birth certificate, passport and certificate from school it will certainly be less. And if the whole bunch of documents for $ 30

            what a pack ?? !!!!
            why cast a shadow on the wattle fence, there is a list of documents and no need to invent from yourself
            So Vladimir take your words back. Doubters can look at the forum of immigrants to feel the severity of the issue.
            I was not too lazy I looked at the prices in a notarized translation of 300 rubles, which 100 documents do you translate into a piece of bucks.
            what nonsense to grind
            1. Kolya
              Kolya 13 January 2014 10: 36
              +1
              identity documents, citizenship, marital status, confirming the place of stay (residence), as well as documents on education, vocational training, work experience and other documents confirming the completeness and reliability of the data presented in the application for participation of a potential program participant and his members families
              here add the water certificate, military ID, description (also required), medical information if not made in Russia.
              If you dug out at no price 300rub then this from 300OURThe capacious document price will be at times.
              I paid for transfers from $ 25. And my pack is definitely going to roll over apiece of dollars per person! go to mifis.ru and read what people paid. You are lucky!
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2014 11: 20
                0
                Quote: Kohl
                identity documents, citizenship

                sorry this is one document
                Quote: Kohl
                as well as documents on education, on vocational training, work experience and other documents confirming the completeness and reliability

                These documents for obtaining a residence permit or citizenship are not needed, they are needed for receiving a pension, and then only a labor and a salary certificate
                ALL!!!!!! all other documents are asked if asked at the place of study, etc. what does it have to be an accredited agency
                Quote: Kohl
                I paid for transfers from $ 25. And my pack will definitely roll over apiece of dollars per person

                tell me in which city you paid, where did you get 40 names of documents necessary for obtaining citizenship? !!!
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 13: 30
        0
        Quote: Kohl
        Customs (a separate topic, as soon as you turn there they make you a criminal and begin to extradite with good money). - These problems are artificial and in reality constitute a very serious barrier for migrants.

        Are you a migrant yourself? !!!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 20: 17
          +1
          a kind of answer, but it's really interesting
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        3. Kolya
          Kolya 13 January 2014 01: 55
          +3
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Are you a migrant yourself? !!!

          Yes, an immigrant. I have been at war with bureaucrats for a year now, but so far I can’t get through. Himself applied to two regional customs where the legal terms "host country" "country of residence" and "permanent residence" cannot be distinguished. The customs officials told my relatives, the migrants, "and you have already taken the car off the register in order to import it, you will have to go back," and the other migrants were told "but you have not taken the car off the register yet, you will have to go back."
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          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2014 11: 32
            0
            Well, I can’t say anything for the car, I just sold it at home, I bought another
            Quote: Kohl
            Himself applied to two regional customs where the legal terms "host country" "country of residence" and "permanent residence"

            I didn’t understand about this at all, what does the country of residence have to do with it?
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      4. 31231
        31231 12 January 2014 22: 53
        -2
        translation of documents (usually not less than $ 1000)


        Rare nonsense. A familiar Tajik translated a passport in 2012. 500 rubles.
        What is a certified translator for this.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2014 00: 48
          +2
          Quote: 31231
          What is a certified translator

          and in another it is impossible to say a company with a license in the FMS, well, or several, in our region there was one who paid that it was about 300 rubles and this was not just a translation, but notarized
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        3. Kolya
          Kolya 13 January 2014 10: 40
          0
          Passport is a minimum size dock. the price of 500 rubles was there from 500rub
          Nobody speaks about non-certified translators
    2. AVV
      AVV 12 January 2014 12: 02
      +6
      Yes, whoever has a house in Ukraine, an apartment, they buy a second one in Moscow and continue to do business, but do not change their citizenship, why? And who has no money they are offered to Siberia, the Far East, how will they come if there is no money ? Yes, and the salaries there are lower !!! Another thing is, if Ukraine will try to join Europe when production collapses, then there will be a large resettlement mainly of specialists in aircraft construction, rocket science, and other industries because they will lose their jobs !!!
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 12 January 2014 06: 52
    +11
    Relocating to other subjects of the Russian Federation will receive only 20 thousand for the head of the family and 10 thousand for all the rest.

    Very nice - our state spends billions of dollars to help other states and is not able to help our settlers significantly.
    I still think that people should settle in where they want and help should be real in the form of affordable work and allotment of land.
    You can make a system of preferential contracts on beneficial terms, but knowing the bureaucratic machine of RUSSIA, you can say in advance that the migrants had difficulties and will continue to have it.
    1. Fin
      Fin 12 January 2014 13: 29
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Relocating to other subjects of the Russian Federation will receive only 20 thousand for the head of the family and 10 thousand for all the rest.

      Such benefits chickens to laugh. And how do you like this:
      The circle of family members is noticeably expanded, which now includes not only the wife (husband) and children, but also the parents of both spouses, their sisters and brothers with children, grandparents and grandchildren.

      So, according to the bureaucrats, parents, grandparents don’t want to eat, they don’t need lifting ones. In general, the elderly needed to be thrown on the former MF. Well this is what villains the law wrote. It took several years to come and fix.
      Its funding, according to the head of the ministry Igor Slyunyaev, has been tripled - from just over 1 billion rubles. in 2013 to 3 billion rubles. in 2014

      Think about it! As much as 3 billion rubles. ($ 95 million) is 5 km. asphalt. roads, Vasilieva stole so much !!! But of them still need to bite off% 30-50. What will remain for the immigrants?
      And for some reason it seems to me that they also cut loot with them on the ground.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 13: 47
        +2
        Quote: Fin
        Such benefits chickens to laugh. And how do you like this:

        benefits is a fine line, the same Germans were very burned on this, help is needed but better natural and targeted
        Quote: Fin
        So, according to the bureaucrats, parents, grandparents don’t want to eat, they don’t need lifting ones. In general, the elderly needed to be thrown on the former MF. Well this is what villains the law wrote. It took several years to come and fix.
        Have you read the law yourself?
        1. Fin
          Fin 12 January 2014 17: 30
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Have you read the law yourself?

          What bothers you? Recognition by family members is the main when considering benefits, allowances, compensations, honey. service, etc.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 18: 16
            +1
            Quote: Fin
            What bothers you?

            What doesn’t bother me, can I just answer the question?
          2. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 18: 16
            0
            Quote: Fin
            What bothers you?

            What doesn’t bother me, can I just answer the question?
      2. Kolya
        Kolya 13 January 2014 02: 02
        +3
        Yes, no allowances and lifting are needed in most cases, immigrants do not just need to be milked at every turn. After 10 years, it will be revealed that lifting were issued to dead souls.
  5. ZU-23
    ZU-23 12 January 2014 07: 17
    +1
    I’ve already read such an article, I think until we deal with the housing for the Russians at home, let the compatriots rely on their forces for a while, this is a fact.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 12 January 2014 07: 28
      +19
      In RUSSIA, the housing issue is mostly artificial, most of the deficit is created by various speculators who buy apartments for subsequent resale with margin in their pocket.
      And this suits our state - it honestly infuriates me.
      1. ZU-23
        ZU-23 12 January 2014 08: 00
        +1
        Well, this is of course internal problems, the creatures are earning, well, so far we have not closed these questions even on the budget.
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      3. avt
        avt 12 January 2014 10: 45
        +4
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        In RUSSIA, the housing issue is mostly artificial, most of the deficit is created by various speculators who buy apartments for subsequent resale with margin in their pocket.

        In Moscow, this is also a way to store savings. Only once in 98m housing prices fell - urgently someone needed cash, then only up. Builders, developers receive part of the profit per square meter and keep the price until they beat it off with a profit, again, while in the dark, they rent it out as “tenement houses.” Moreover, the law on such activities has not been properly adopted, everything goes in black cash, in at best in a gray scheme.
        1. vlum
          vlum 12 January 2014 12: 08
          +2
          It is doubtful that such "tenement houses" are widespread. If this were so, then there would be no apartments in new buildings for several years without finishing. Most likely, there is a presence of rented apartments in the secondary market, but not in new buildings
          1. avt
            avt 12 January 2014 12: 37
            +2
            Quote: vlum
            If this were so, then apartments in new houses would not stand for several years without decoration.

            Quote: avt
            they keep the price until they beat it off with a profit

            What you are talking about refers to housing of the middle and higher level, but about the secondary market, of course, you are right, the bulk of "profitable housing" is there. Just make an amendment to a kind of exchange of housing of different categories and prices among participants of the "market", then than I said, you can’t take it head on like that, naturally simplified, there are their own "test" complex schemes of mutual settlements.
      4. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 11: 33
        +8
        And extra intermediaries need to be shot. There is a builder. producer of products, there is a buyer. Others are not needed!
      5. predator.3
        predator.3 12 January 2014 11: 51
        +2
        Quote: The same Lech
        In RUSSIA, the housing issue is mostly artificial, most of the deficit is created by various speculators who buy apartments for subsequent resale with margin in their pocket.
        And this suits our state - it honestly infuriates me.


        That's right, I already wrote about this, but to have 10 apartments and rent them out, and not a penny of income tax! it is necessary to increase the tax on "surplus".
      6. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 13: 50
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA

        Today, 07: 28

        In RUSSIA, the housing issue is mostly artificial

        would you know how many houses in the village are crumbling, but you don’t drive anyone to the ground, even if there’s nothing to eat and no work
      7. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 13: 50
        -1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA

        Today, 07: 28

        In RUSSIA, the housing issue is mostly artificial

        would you know how many houses in the village are crumbling, but you don’t drive anyone to the ground, even if there’s nothing to eat and no work
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 12 January 2014 15: 20
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          would you know how many houses in the village are crumbling, but you don’t drive anyone to the ground, even if there’s nothing to eat and no work

          There is no work primarily in the village (as well as maternity hospitals, kindergartens, schools, clinics, hospitals, shops, roads, often light / gas, etc.)

          And in order for the collapsing house to patch up, it is necessary to lam wooden.
          And in order to contain it and not let it fall apart, you need another 20 to 100 tyr per year (depending on the initial condition of the house and the climate in the region)
          And in order to get to this house, you need another half lama for four-wheel drive and a certain amount for four-wheel drive maintenance, but there is no work nearby, and if there is, then with obviously insufficient income.

          So it turns out that only fairly wealthy guys who have order and housing can do this kind of downshifting, with relative compliance with modern standards of comfort.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 15: 31
            +4
            Quote: Yarosvet
            There is no work primarily in the countryside

            if you don’t have a job in the city, what the hell is the difference, on the ground you can create a job for yourself, get the bee cattle, whatever, sorry, I still manage to design in the remote access
            Quote: Yarosvet
            kindergartens, schools ...

            leave these horror stories it just is
            Quote: Yarosvet
            And in order for the collapsing house to be patched up, it is necessary for the wooden ones. And in order to keep it and not let it fall apart, you need another 20 to 100 tyr per year

            well, don’t write about what you don’t know, unlike you, I bought and live comfortably with hot water sewage, steam heating and high-speed no
            Quote: Yarosvet
            And in order to get to this house / drive you need another half lama to four-wheel drive

            read above, when you want one reason is enough to do when you do not want to find a million twigs
            Quote: Yarosvet
            So it turns out that with similar downshifting, with relative compliance with modern standards of comfort,

            less need to whine and there will be no problems
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 12 January 2014 17: 07
              +2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              if you don’t have a job in the city what the hell is the difference
              Large: in the village there will be no familiar conditions, possible support from relatives / acquaintances, the above remnants of social guarantees (including the employment service), etc.

              on earth, you can create your own work yourself, get cattle of bees, yes anything
              What kind of shisha?
              If there is a starting pistol, then what the hell did I get on? In this case, I can handle the city laughing

              leave these horror stories it just is
              Hde - kiloMeters for thirty?

              unlike you, I bought and live comfortably with sewage hot water, steam heating and high-speed no
              Taki "bought", and not in the crumbling possessed - and what kind of shishi is asked (we are analyzing the option with no work in the city)?

              when you want one reason enough to do, when you don’t want to find a million twisters
              Do you want to live forever, never get sick, and even so that your children do not know grief? Can you do it? Or are there objective reasons that say "no"?
              Let’s do without social Darwinist demagogy.

              less need to whine and there will be no problems
              For those who, by the nature of their activities, are obliged to listen to this, most often objective, "whining" - but less.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 12 January 2014 17: 31
                0
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Let’s do without social Darwinist demagogy.

                This is your demagogy, give everything to you, give everything to you, bring everything to you. And do it yourself? Will your back break?
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 12 January 2014 20: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  This is your demagoguery

                  Quote: Setrac
                  Give everything to you, give everything to you, bring it all
              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 17: 32
                0
                Large: in the village there will be no familiar conditions, possible support from relatives / acquaintances, the above remnants of social guarantees (including the employment service), etc.
                I live in the usual conditions, water, toilet, heating dishwasher, etc. By the way, there is also an employment service
              3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 17: 32
                -1
                Large: in the village there will be no familiar conditions, possible support from relatives / acquaintances, the above remnants of social guarantees (including the employment service), etc.
                I live in the usual conditions, water, toilet, heating dishwasher, etc. By the way, there is also an employment service
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2014 11: 37
                  0
                  minus for the fact that I go to the toilet in the house, and not on the street? !! laughing
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2014 11: 37
                  0
                  minus for the fact that I go to the toilet in the house, and not on the street? !! laughing
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              5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 19: 02
                +2
                Quote: Yarosvet
                What kind of shisha? If there is a starting pistol, then what the hell did I get on? In this case, I can handle the city

                i started with dvx 40 days goats now I have 21 goats
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Hde - kiloMeters for thirty?

                they take 12 km to the school of children, I can tell the city school where I studied, the children traveled 40 minutes by public transport, there is a bus with an accompanying person, what do you think is better ?!
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Taki "bought", and not in the crumbling possessed - and what kind of shishi is asked (we are analyzing the option with no work in the city)?

                first, the house was empty and not heated for several years, the thief sold the apartment moved from Kazakhstan
                Quote: Yarosvet
                For those who, by the nature of their work, are obliged to listen to this, most often objectively, "whining" - but less
                such as you’re going to wait for plumbing in shit, but they don’t think it necessary to do something, I prefer to replace the pipe yourself first, and then take the money from the housing and communal services, in a dry and clean room it’s kind of pleasant
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 12 January 2014 20: 24
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  I live in the usual conditions, water, toilet, heating dishwasher, etc. By the way, there is also an employment service
                  You did it, but it’s like with your own business - many have tried, many have succeeded?
                  You are lucky, your example is positive - how many positive examples are there in total?
                  Such relocation is beneficial to the state in words, and therefore the issue should be solved elementarily with the full assistance of the state - where did the difficulties and opposition come from, maybe they are invented?

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  I began
                  Not from scratch.

                  they take 12 km to the school of children, I can tell the city school where I studied, the children traveled 40 minutes by public transport, there is a bus with an accompanying person, what do you think is better ?!
                  The school is a 5 - 15-minute walk.

                  first, the house was empty and not heated for several years, the thief sold the apartment moved from Kazakhstan
                  Does everyone have something to sell?

                  like you
                  People like me talk about an abnormal trend that needs to be changed.
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                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 20: 39
                    -1
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Not from scratch.

                    only Robinson Crusoe started from scratch, and then how to look at it
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    School 5 - 15 minutes walk

                    Yes, I walked to schools for 10 minutes and half the class traveled from an hour to 20 minutes in re-drunk public transport, so I do not see the problem of riding a school bus for 10 minutes
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Does everyone have something to sell?

                    I think that half of the aching about the lack of prospects for sure
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 12 January 2014 21: 58
                      +2
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      and then how to look at it
                      Namely, and note - the conversation is about the state program, that is, that the Russian Federation needs (in any case, it is declared so) an influx of former Soviet (in the cultural sense) citizens, and that this need (in words) in fact often turns around the creation of additional obstacles, and not everyone can cope with them (both due to personal qualities, and due to circumstances)
                      Your example is not indicative, as the tendency says the opposite, and to consider people who did not succeed as lazy whiners is either the height of cynicism or near-by.

                      I do not see the problem of riding a school bus in 10 minutes
                      And I don’t see, but the trouble is - school buses do not go in all the settlements, but in that village where you live, everyone who wants to move to the Russian Federation simply will not fit.

                      I think that half of the aching about the lack of prospects for sure
                      And what are these kidneys?
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 22: 23
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Your example is not indicative, as the trend suggests otherwise, and to consider people who did not succeed as lazy whiners is either the height of cynicism or the near-term

                        You know, I talk with those who moved from the Republic of Kazakhstan and didn’t say who didn’t succeed.
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        And I don’t see, but the trouble is - school buses do not run in all settlements

                        You know what Hochma is, the lack of school buses is the same fault of interested persons. that is, parents, this is a federal program, and where they do not exist, it means local authorities are blowing pears with herom, and parents are picking their fingers in one place.
                        Russia today looks like a person who does not feel pain, the hand is already charred and the brain does not know about it yet, but it’s not the brain that’s to blame, but the nerve endings that don’t give a signal
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        And what are these kidneys?

                        What does the kidney have to do with it?
                      2. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 13 January 2014 11: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        I communicate with those who relocated from the Republic of Kazakhstan and no one said that it didn’t work out
                        And on the forums, the State Department’s proponents write about the problems?

                        the lack of school buses is the same fault of interested parties. that is parents
                        Again, the wrong people ...

                        it’s a federal program, and where they don’t exist, it means the local authorities are hanging around pears with her head, and parents are picking their fingers in one place
                        The fact that those responsible are hanging around is a fact - hence the problem. And here are the parents who, in addition to having an interesting pastime in defending their legal rights, still need to earn a living and raise their children, go to the authorities and write pieces of paper in the void.

                        but not the brain is to blame but the nerve endings that do not give a signal
                        The built system is to blame, in which it is much more profitable to score for violation of one’s rights than to defend them, as well as partly the cowardice and tenacity of society that allows this system to exist.

                        What does the kidney have to do with it?
                        Well, what else will you sell if your property is valued at "kopecks"?
                      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2014 11: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Again, the wrong people ...

                        if you live by the principle of us e ... and we grow stronger then these are your problems
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        And on the forums, the State Department’s proponents write about the problems?

                        often there are such situations, he didn’t bring all the necessary documents with him, he is told to draw up documents, we don’t have enough documents, we start looking for workarounds for grandmothers, but it’s corruption but it’s the immigrant’s fault, but he starts yelling at every corner about obstacles and requisitions
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        here are the parents who, in addition to having an entertaining pastime in asserting their legal rights, still need to earn a living and raise their children, go to court and write papers in the void.

                        do not want to assert your rights for God's sake only then do not whine
                        Quote: Yarosvet
                        Well, what else will you sell if your property is valued at "kopecks"?

                        You know, I sold both the apartment and the property so I don’t have to take the excess, I brought the kidneys with me, I don’t have to go to extremes.
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                  3. Setrac
                    Setrac 13 January 2014 21: 14
                    0
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    Namely, mind you - the conversation is about the state program, that is, that the Russian Federation needs (in any case, this is declared) the influx of former Soviet (in the cultural sense) citizens

                    This promise is not true, Russia needs the Russians living in Russia to give birth to more children, and those who want to return must return.
  • valokordin
    valokordin 12 January 2014 07: 23
    +11
    This occupation power should be taken as an example from Israel, Germany, which have always sought to return compatriots to their homeland. These effective managers have nothing but UAVs, damn it, UAVs, including patriotism.
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 12 January 2014 09: 36
      +7
      There is a repatriation program in these countries. That is, if you have proven that you are a descendant of the titular nation, then the passport is handed over at the plane ladder. And the sophisticated "voluntary resettlement of compatriots" is a mockery.
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 12 January 2014 07: 29
    +25
    The resettlement of compatriots is just a populist game of power. To be honest, they are not needed in Russia. The moaning over the demographic recession stopped, the authorities convinced the country that there was no recession, that even growth was outlined. Just do not explain to anyone at the expense of who is the growth. If you figure it out, it’s definitely not at the expense of the Russians.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 12 January 2014 09: 59
      +14
      Quote: vladsolo56
      The resettlement of compatriots is just a populist game of power. Honestly nobody needs them in Russia

      What are you talking about, Vladimir, what kind of immigrants can be discussed, when the Russians who are constantly living here are not needed by the current government. Well, we disturb them and the sooner we rest, the easier it will become. Look, after all, those who are already over 50 already developed material and the attitude is appropriate. Try to get a job at this age, if God forbid, you’ll stay without it, improve your health, and have a decent rest. The question is, would you die faster, no person - no problem.
      I understand that now young Putintsy will fall upon me, but let them live to our age, then they would argue.
      1. vlum
        vlum 12 January 2014 12: 21
        +2
        Yes, there is no policy in this policy - for consumption, productive forces are needed only for the construction of boxes for shops. Accordingly, without the need to maintain and develop production, the ethnic composition of the population is completely indifferent.
      2. alone
        alone 12 January 2014 12: 40
        +4
        Quote: Garrin
        What are you talking about, Vladimir, what kind of immigrants can be discussed, when the Russians who are constantly living here are not needed by the current government. Well, we disturb them and the sooner we rest, the easier it will become. Look, after all, those who are already over 50 already developed material and the attitude is appropriate. Try to get a job at this age, if God forbid, you’ll stay without it, improve your health, and have a decent rest. The question is, would you die faster, no person - no problem.
        I understand that now young Putintsy will fall upon me, but let them live to our age, then they would argue.


        what A strange thing turns out, Igor! But you are right, after 40 -45 hardly anyone can get a job. Nobody takes it to work, they consider a person to be old.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 12 January 2014 17: 25
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          A strange thing turns out, Igor! But you are right, after 40 -45 hardly anyone can get a job. Nobody takes it to work, they consider a person to be old.

          This is true, it is difficult for an elderly to get a new job. Today, young people are looking for work for a long time, what can we say about the elderly. But the whole question is: what kind of work? If you are a good specialist, then you won’t be left without work, even after 50. And without a specialty, it’s certainly more difficult, but you will always find a place in the guard. The whole question is what is the salary. But you don’t have to choose here: if you want to earn seniority for a pension, you will go to this job. And then, something that is not very visible idly staggering 45-year-old men, everyone finds work, there would be a desire. In the villages, yes, there at the expense of work is deaf. But there is no work there and young, most work on a rotational basis in Moscow (who is closer), or in other cities. So you need to want and the work will be. I’ll tell my opponents in advance: I’m 58 and I work.
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      3. Imigrantt
        Imigrantt 12 January 2014 12: 44
        +9
        Sir you are absolutely right !!!!! I was born and raised in the Far East, this is how my life turned out, I got married and stayed in the Crimea, I did not change my citizenship. I went to change my passport at the consulate of the Russian Federation in Simferopol, so even there the attitude towards its citizens (citizens of the Russian Federation) is not respectful. The queue, they talk as if you are obliged to do something. Pulling bagpipes with documents for weeks or even months! And you are talking about resettlement! Imposing a region for resettlement will not work! Moreover, with such "LIFTING" Example. We have our own solid car house and a decent income, which gives me 280 thousand rubles in return (there are three of us, me, my wife and son) THIS IS DUST !!! Plus the dictatorship of relocation - WHERE !!! To Siberia, the Far East, regions of the north in the west of the country and with such capital !!!!! Laughter and sin - and it's easier to say not respect for their own state and people !!!!! I received a civil passport in the Kuban for almost three months, although according to the legislation, when registering at the place of stay of a citizen of the Russian Federation, I had to receive it within 10 days !!! A trifle but it speaks for itself !!!! And if you move as a family and draw up all the documents of your wife and son, it will be a painful journey !!! And why should we move where there is no desire to go !!! This is already PUSHING OUT from the so-called resettlement program !!! No, we will overeat but ourselves, and where we ourselves wish! Without a state !!!! Putin should be ashamed! He is a man of his word and a Russian! There is a lot to fix in this program !!!! And people will go! I say this because I know that we are not alone here in Crimea! But for this it is NECESSARY TO SIMPLIFY THE BUROKRATIC VOLOKITA, and give people the opportunity to CHOOSE WHERE TO LOCATE! And Russia is big and everyone has their own taste !!!!!! We have always traveled to the north and will continue to do so! Create conditions - the question is solved !!!! P; S; Simplify the procedure for moving and paperwork and 80% of success is in your pocket, and the state is good and people will say thank you !!!!! hi
    2. Kolya
      Kolya 12 January 2014 10: 13
      +5
      I absolutely agree with you. Financial interests are also present: they take money allocated for the program (in 2013, one immigrant cost the budget 47 thousand rubles! The money is rolled up asphalt!), And then the immigrants are milked in all rooms, and there are dozens of rooms.
      1. 120352
        120352 12 January 2014 11: 37
        +4
        And it would be necessary not money, but milkers in the asphalt!
    3. 120352
      120352 12 January 2014 11: 36
      +5
      The demographic decline has stopped due to the replacement of the Russian population with non-Russians. This is not a solution to the problem, but the death of Russian civilization.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 12 January 2014 07: 39
    +11
    For that, without problems everyone receives those who oppress the Russians and Russian speakers in the near abroad ... for them, everything is open and accessible.
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 12 January 2014 10: 49
      +4
      "For that, without any problems, those who oppress Russians and Russian speakers in the near abroad receive everything ... for them everything is open and accessible."

      and our power, which is not ours at all, is at one with them. they have one goal to kill the Russians, namely RUSSIAN, as much as possible. and here all the ways are good.
      our government needs Russians, and preferably of "Tajik-migrant" nationality.
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 12 January 2014 17: 48
        +1
        Quote: Starfish
        they have one goal to kill the Russians, namely RUSSIAN, as much as possible. and here all the ways are good.

        Yes, and here is the power, if people sit on the ground who think only of their pocket. For them it makes no difference whether you are Russian or not Russian. They have one goal: to cut the dough as much as possible and quickly. You see, like normal people. But if they get a position, they just become freaks. And so, after all, you seldom meet an adequate person in bread places. So, this is our Russian disease, which will be very difficult to cure.
        1. Starfish
          Starfish 12 January 2014 18: 11
          +1
          "And what does the power have to do with it, if people sit on the ground who think only about their own pockets."

          Well, you’re just like a child, honestly.
          why do such people sit in places? Why are ONLY such people sitting in these places? why honest there are not welcome?
          think again. may you understand that this is the policy of the "party", conventionally speaking "the party".
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  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 12 January 2014 08: 01
    +5
    Programs are all good business .. But only under the USSR, young people went to build the BAM to raise the virgin lands, etc. without any incentives on sheer enthusiasm .. My father was offered a job of choice in cities (even in Moscow ..) He used to think like that before " Yes, it's boring in the cities .. And in the field you will go out, the wheat spikes, the soul rejoices ..))) Now, for such words, they twirled a finger near his temple .. And then such romance was commonplace .. It's just that the children from the school desk were brought up like that .. Then whole cities from scratch built factories and factories and everything was out of sheer enthusiasm and demography grew by leaps and bounds ...
    1. saag
      saag 12 January 2014 08: 29
      +11
      Oh well, sheer naked enthusiasm, according to the organizational selection, they drove because of two factors - increased salaries due to the regional coefficient and the prospect of getting an apartment as a young specialist
      1. 10kAzAk01
        10kAzAk01 12 January 2014 10: 55
        +2
        Oh well, sheer naked enthusiasm, according to the organizational selection, they drove because of two factors - increased salaries due to the regional coefficient and the prospect of getting an apartment as a young specialist

        Yes, many for housing anywhere in the country would go ... I've been renting housing for 17 years ... but I can not afford a mortgage ... children know whether they want to eat and dress ...
    2. SHILO
      SHILO 12 January 2014 15: 36
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      .And then such romance was commonplace .. It was just that children from the school desk were brought up like that ..


      I absolutely agree! So after my institute, my sister drove away to Arkhangelsk, despite the fact that as a medalist she could choose anything. As I remember now, her mother asked her to choose the Crimea, and she wanted the North. Father supported and went. Romance (without sarcasm!).

      Quote: saag
      Oh well, sheer naked enthusiasm, according to the organizational selection, they drove because of two factors - increased salaries due to the regional coefficient and the prospect of getting an apartment as a young specialist


      And no increased salary and apartment - already in 90 I bought the apartment myself.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 12 January 2014 08: 36
    +8
    As I understand it, Russians in Russia are "not needed" by anyone. But as far as I know, for example, a lot of Uzbeks and Azerbaijanis are registered in the Yaroslavl region. That is, they have both work and home. I would ask why, but everything is clear anyway.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 12 January 2014 10: 00
      +5
      Quote: Gardamir
      As I understand it, Russians in Russia are "not needed" by anyone. But as far as I know, for example, a lot of Uzbeks and Azerbaijanis are registered in the Yaroslavl region. That is, they have both work and home. I would ask why, but everything is clear anyway.

      There is no need to start, as they say, conditions are being created for the visitors, but the Russians are not. Everyone is in the same situation, especially the Russians, the difference is that the Azerbaijanis have at least a coat, relatives and friends help him when they come here, they settle at home for the first time, they help to deal with documents, they are looking for work, in short, at the initial stage, help is being done so that it is not that the person was in an incomprehensible place with incomprehensible rules.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 12 January 2014 12: 34
        +5
        Quote: Yeraz
        Quote: Gardamir
        As I understand it, Russians in Russia are "not needed" by anyone. But as far as I know, for example, a lot of Uzbeks and Azerbaijanis are registered in the Yaroslavl region. That is, they have both work and home. I would ask why, but everything is clear anyway.

        There is no need to start, as they say, conditions are being created for the visitors, but the Russians are not. Everyone is in the same situation, especially the Russians, the difference is that the Azerbaijanis have at least a coat, relatives and friends help him when they come here, they settle at home for the first time, they help to deal with documents, they are looking for work, in short, at the initial stage, help is being done so that it is not that the person was in an incomprehensible place with incomprehensible rules.

        That's for sure, here in the Irkutsk the witness himself, as they communicated with the Azerbaijanis, he kept several stalls in the area. Brother 5 came to him with water on jelly but a relative. they immediately drove him a stall, threw off money from his relatives. Thinly poorly settled on a removable hut. Another month helped, then he went through life himself. And we do not have such relatives among the Russians. There are only assistants to prevent them from rising, flooding so that they’ll go deeper into shit. Yes, and such officials only look at their pockets. But they still go and will go the further we diverge. And whoever remains will be assimilated by generations in five years, the language will be forgotten and only the surname will remain from Russian, and then if they do not redo it.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 12 January 2014 16: 38
          +1
          Quote: ed65b
          That's for sure, here in the Irkutsk the witness himself, as they communicated with the Azerbaijanis, he kept several stalls in the area. Brother 5 came to him with water on jelly but a relative. they immediately drove him a stall, threw off money from his relatives. Thinly poorly settled on a removable hut. Another month helped, then he went through life himself. And we do not have such relatives among Russians

          So my cousin came, like a year. Well, he’s not that out of need he just likes to live in Russia, with stout girls and parties.
          So he arrived, and all the relatives and just representatives of our family. Odid gave him a lodging for 3 months without rent, supposedly to get up, another on installments provided goods, the third agreed to bring goods to him for the first time, the 4th helped arrange everything inside, lived the first year we and other relatives and voila, right now, he rents an apartment and earns well.
          Minus found a beauty from fitness with a child in love, everyone was furious, and he was called back to Baku for a week)))) They will try to marry and leave there, all the same scheme is already there)))
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 12 January 2014 19: 23
            0
            Quote: Yeraz
            Minus found a beauty from fitness with a child in love, everyone was furious, and he was called back to Baku for a week)))) They will try to marry and leave there, all the same scheme is already there)))

            The funny thing is that the Azerbaijanian I wrote about returned back to his Russian wife and still lives. Relatives sulk, sulk, but there is nothing to do. His boy speaks Russian without an accent and we can say Russian already. In any case, children do not perceive him as a "lump" and he himself is already completely different, a Siberian. hi in general, we can break spears here and swear at each other but our children and grandchildren will be different. and I myself will be the first to tear anyone who carries a blizzard on our boy or girl. hi
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 12 January 2014 19: 30
              +2
              Quote: ed65b
              His boy speaks Russian without an accent and we can say Russian already. In any case, children do not perceive him as a "lump", and he himself is already completely different, a Siberian.

              Well, we have many here without an accent, although they are all purebred. And about mixed marriages, girls from such marriages are mainly Russified, guys are less susceptible to this. Yes, and in the current national situation in the country, the small fraction who assimilates from these marriages will go no. They’ll beat you on the face. And at least a hundred times consider yourself Russian, but with thick hair you will not prove it to anyone.

              There is a familiar Russian, pure Russian, all Russians are in the family, but he is dark-skinned, I don’t know who sneaked in the family, but he is suffering terribly from this, he goes to work; they say we don’t take non-citizens, it’s always checking documents and a lot of charms connected with this, but it’s a shame for a guy in twins)) And he hangs out mostly with Caucasians, here he is our own dear))
    2. Starfish
      Starfish 12 January 2014 10: 54
      +2
      "As I understand it, Russians in Russia are" not needed "by anyone."

      look wider, they are not needed in the whole world.
      to those in power on planet Earth, and not to simple nations, Russians are liked only in the grave.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 12 January 2014 08: 37
    +5
    Quote: saag
    Oh well, sheer naked enthusiasm, according to the organizational selection, they drove because of two factors - increased salaries due to the regional coefficient and the prospect of getting an apartment as a young specialist

    The stimulus was of course (especially who went north) and yet romance was in the first place ..
  • Humpty
    Humpty 12 January 2014 09: 12
    +7
    As usual this program "works". A separate family, for example, moves from Kyrgyzstan to a half-extinct, well-fed Russian village in the region, say, Kursk. Get small hoists. Further, namykavshis find at least some acceptable option in a slightly less well-fed, but extinct village. Then they find work in the suburbs and life in a hostel for someone from a relocated family is slowly getting better without the intervention of state authorities.
    In the early 90s, sometimes dozens of people moved to the villages in groups. So it was more acceptable. The resettlement program is imprisoned for further extinction.
    For example, the staff of one of the Frunze factories moved to Lipetsk, for example, with almost all of its staff.
    The situation is better for those who have the opportunity to independently move to the cities of Russia, there are much fewer such migrants.
  • Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 12 January 2014 09: 22
    +2
    Yeah, if someone needs Russia, when you can go to Europe or for example to Australia or South America. Patriotism is good, but so far it will not be better in the country, no one will roll here, beside the oziyats.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 12 January 2014 10: 05
    +3
    And by the way, it’s necessary to understand these compatriots more precisely, because there are not only Russians by blood. This concept also refers to other peoples.
    And by and large, the situation can be described as a cool joke from the Comedy Club: Russians have 2 thoughts in their head:
    1. How to evict all non-Russians.
    2.And how to move to live in Europe)))
  • Tanysh
    Tanysh 12 January 2014 10: 07
    +5
    Our efforts to understand what is happening are simply ridiculous. The bureaucratic state will not give real help to the displaced person. If the bureaucrat doesn’t have anything to do with it, but from the creation of all kinds of committees and resettlement commissions, he gives the bureaucrat to prove his own need, to raise his significance in the eyes of the higher authorities.
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 12 January 2014 10: 13
    +1
    Quote: Alex_Popovson
    Yeah, if someone needs Russia, when you can go to Europe or for example to Australia or South America. Patriotism is good, but so far it will not be better in the country, no one will roll here, beside the oziyats.

    Maybe you are right .. Here is only Patriotism as such in Russia is not .. (it is we who were born in the USSR remember what it is and what needs to be done ..) And for young people, patriotism is to wave flags at the markets with "chur..i" to smash and that's it! .. This should be brought up from kindergartens .. Patriotism is, first of all, the ability to sacrifice oneself (it is not necessary to die ..) for the sake of a common goal (not consumer and privileges ...) Something like this should be .. "Learn, learn and study again "VI Lenin This slogan was in all schools! And the result was obvious. Russia has escaped into a leading position in the world .. Now, alas, our children would be doing it again ... just like in the advertisement "Eat chew drink .." orbit .. or "There is noise and din in the stomach, take hu ... n .. "In the days of the USSR, there were very few such massacres and terrorist attacks, nevertheless .. We put pressure on the states and they always looked back at each other .. And God forbid someone screwed up .. there until the World War ..That's what I wanted to say .. Now it's a mess and a bloody orgy .. "AND LET THIS SYRIAN CHILD COMPLAIN THE MIRACLES OF ADULTS TO GOD !! ..." maybe this will bring us all to our senses .. which is unlikely ...
  • Leader
    Leader 12 January 2014 10: 32
    +6
    It's funny to read ... Blah blah blah blah! - that's all the "care" about our own!
    And about those who live here; and about those betrayed and abandoned by Russia abroad after it organized the collapse of the USSR (did they forget that the initiator of the collapse was Yeltsin? He so wanted to become "the main one" that for this he organized the "Belovezhsky Agreement", plunging the entire territory into devastation USSR and provoking numerous internecine conflicts ...).
    What can I say! Even all of our heroes are dead heroes. First they will be killed, and then they begin to be proud of them ...
    And only those who come here have no hope at all; who could not find themselves in a country that has become a foreign country (in the former "fraternal republic"); who came to despair ... I know how people who come here in Russia are met - went through it (starting with the clerk in the city hall and ending with the neighbors ...)
    It is more profitable for Russian officials to come up with various mythical projects and steal budget money under this idea than to do business.
    In Russia, war veterans still live in shacks - despite the annual oath promises of Putin and his "camarilla" to provide all veterans with comfortable housing for each anniversary of May 9th!
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 12 January 2014 10: 56
      +1
      "Putin's annual oath promises"

      he knows how, this cannot be taken from him
  • Garrin
    Garrin 12 January 2014 10: 36
    +9
    But from the field of dreaming. Remember in the days of the USSR, the heading "If I were a minister?" Here's what I do:
    - On the site of an abandoned village to build a cottage village, and with all the ifrastura - a shop, honey. institution, school (it is also a kindergarten and club). Plus, restore the road to the nearest district or regional center.
    - Near the village I would build a small enterprise, preferably for processing agricultural products. All of the above at the expense of the state. It won't be so expensive, I think that the money stolen by the stools and Skrylnik would be enough for a few of these villages.
    But after all of the above, I would have invited compatriots there.
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 12 January 2014 12: 24
      0
      But after all of the above, I would invite compatriots there

      But it is unprofitable. We need accurate data on the possibilities of crop production, on the basis of this to build an enterprise. However, an interesting thought, double!
      But suddenly a question popped up, so maaah ... And who is making money for this? Don't rely on "state". Is Putin out of his own pocket?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 12 January 2014 15: 19
        +5
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        But it is unprofitable.

        It used to be cost-effective, but now it’s not? It is cost-effective to export round timber from the Far East to China, and is it unprofitable for workers to build a timber industry complex and a village for? All this will pay off in a couple of years. hi
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        And who is making money for it? Don't rely on the "state"

        Why not? This is a more profitable investment for the state than in US bonds, or in a mosque in Chechnya.
    2. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 12 January 2014 15: 58
      +2
      Quote: Garrin
      build a cottage village
      restore the road
      would build a small business
      All of the above at the expense of the state

      All right, but NIZZYA! This will be an attempt on the main principe of a liberal market economy laughing

  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 12 January 2014 10: 55
    +7
    Here's how the relocation program works:
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 12 January 2014 12: 51
      +6
      Warrawar, got ahead of me. It was this vidos that I wanted to lay out.
      I was still small, I remember how we got out of Kyrgyzstan ... I would not have remembered better ...
      And in the video it was well said: Russia is a stepmother
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 12 January 2014 13: 29
        +7
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        Warrawar, got ahead of me. It was this vidos that I wanted to lay out.
        I was still small, I remember how we got out of Kyrgyzstan ... I would not have remembered better ...
        And in the video it was well said: Russia is a stepmother

        I love to post videos like this for all sorts of Eurasians and Imperials who rave about "multinational" friendship.
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 12 January 2014 14: 26
          +3
          Oh, there are enough fools with all kinds of pens on this resource. Avon, it was worth offering to return the USSR, only in an ironic form, so they threw it with shit.
          No matter how many posts you post about the real state of things, how many do not appeal to reason, there will always be those who want to take a dream for a reality, without seeing real problems. Pichal Adnaka
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 14: 28
        0
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        And in the video it was well said: Russia is a stepmother

        that's why there were problems - they went to the stepmother, and I went to Mom.
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 12 January 2014 15: 03
          +4
          Everyone went to Mom. And we came to the stepmother, cattle and the total disregard of the oligarchic state for a person’s life and his future!
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 15: 23
            +2
            Quote: Alex_Popovson
            And we came to my stepmother, cattle

            you know I live on earth, there are enough cattle, but at the same time I don’t run and shout the guard, everything’s bad, shitty lepidry is not sneaking but I demand a new TP, I don’t call the regional government
            1. Alex_Popovson
              Alex_Popovson 12 January 2014 15: 37
              +3
              no bridge I'm calling the regional government

              Obviously, you are lucky with the regional government, not otherwise! Yes, it is you - a person, as they say, a "punishment". But the N-th number of our fellow citizens still hope for our native Russian state.
              However, I will note to you that in this Geyropa of yours, it is much easier to move, live and raise children than in today's Russia. Will you say "and roll"? And you will be wrong, alas
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              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 15: 59
                +1
                Quote: Alex_Popovson
                Will you say "and roll"?

                why do you think so?!
                Quote: Alex_Popovson
                Obviously you are lucky with the regional government, not otherwise!

                not more than others, if you want to live well, achieve this, do not blame the GDP, but yourself, it very often happens that we ourselves don’t want to hit the fingers from the shaggy years of the apartment, we don’t repair shit bread, but we wait until the plumber from the wagon replaces toilet bowl by themselves in the bastard
              3. Warrawar
                Warrawar 12 January 2014 16: 06
                +3
                Quote: Alex_Popovson
                Obviously, you are lucky with the regional government, not otherwise! Yes, it is you - a person, as they say, a "punishment". But the N-th number of our fellow citizens still hope for our native Russian state.
                However, I will note to you that in this Geyropa of yours, it is much easier to move, live and raise children than in today's Russia. Will you say "and roll"? And you will be wrong, alas

                Here the thing is that the Russian Federation does not pursue a national policy at all and does not protect the Russian people.
                The resettlement is carried out under some kind of vague notion of "compatriot", into which you can shove anyone at all - even a Tajik who does not speak Russian.
                Whereas in any normal European state, the right of "blood" operates. And only a person with roots and who knows the appropriate language has the right to citizenship. Or a person who agrees to naturalization and change his national identity in favor of the country whose citizenship he wants to get hold of. But this is a long process, at least 8 years.
                Self-respecting countries pursue a policy of protecting their titular nation, even outside their borders. For example, a Hungarian who is not a Hungarian citizen, who is harassed in another state, has the right to seek help from his own country. And the fatherland will protect him and accept him with open arms.
                But in the Russian Federation this is not nearly observed. For the Russian Federation, that a Russian engineer who runs away from Asian horror, saving his life, that a Tajik-Uzbek who can only dig (and that’s bad) is the same thing.
                Therefore, the Russian Federation is a stepmother. Especially for Russians.
                And it’s wiser for the Russian to go to Europe. There, at least his talents and European ethnicity will be appreciated.
                In general, it's time for Russians to start migrating from the Russian Federation en masse. Let Tupin be alone with his beloved Tajiks and Uzbeks. And he is building an "Asian Union". And the Russian Federation will at the same time rename it "Northern Turkestan".
                1. Starfish
                  Starfish 12 January 2014 17: 23
                  +1
                  "In general, it's time for Russians to start migrating from the Russian Federation en masse."

                  suggest giving up? they will only be glad. millions of blacks and the like Hindu-Chinese, and not just Tajiks, will be delivered immediately and without any questions
                  1. Warrawar
                    Warrawar 12 January 2014 21: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: Starfish
                    suggest giving up? they will only be glad. millions of blacks and the like Hindu-Chinese, and not just Tajiks, will be delivered immediately and without any questions

                    And this is already being done ...
                    The gang that occupied the Kremlin does not need Russians. Judge for yourself. Their goal is to sit in the Kremlin for life and transfer this right by inheritance.
                    The Russians will not allow this, and sooner or later they will be thrown off the throne.
                    Therefore, a policy is being pursued to replace the Russian people, into a horde of Asians living according to the concepts of early feudalism.
                    The Kremlin gang does not need a free, legal state - they need a clearing that can be cut and a meek population that we will allow them to do.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 22: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: Warrawar
                      Therefore, a policy is being pursued to replace the Russian people, to the horde of Asians living according to the concepts of early feudalism

                      and you can say who in your understanding is Russian
                      1. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 13 January 2014 01: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        and you can say who in your understanding is Russian

                        In my understanding, Russian is Russian. Ethnic and cultural.
                        I will say right away - the indigenous population of the former Soviet republics, as well as the titular inhabitants of the national republics, as part of the Russian Federation, are not Russian (with the exception of ethnic Russians living there).
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            2. Kolya
              Kolya 13 January 2014 02: 33
              +1
              when oxygen is cut off, the more you work, the faster the horses move. Today's thieves often say "you need not be lazy to live well", only they mean you need to steal. The latter does not apply to you.
    2. 225chay
      225chay 12 January 2014 20: 42
      +1
      Quote: Warrawar
      Here's how the relocation program works:


      Like this !
      Vasilenko! Where are you? Watch this video and tell Putin ...
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      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 20: 45
        +1
        Quote: 225chay
        Vasilenko! Where are you?

        I don’t remember what we would drink at the Brudershaft
        Quote: 225chay
        tell Putin

        and most weakly or the brain is imprisoned only for rudeness, give the GDP site ?!
        By the way, I wrote more than once there is a result.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 January 2014 10: 58
    +5
    Quote: Garrin
    But from the field of dreaming. Remember in the days of the USSR, the heading "If I were a minister?" Here's what I do:
    - On the site of an abandoned village to build a cottage village, and with all the ifrastura - a shop, honey. institution, school (it is also a kindergarten and club). Plus, restore the road to the nearest district or regional center.
    - Near the village I would build a small enterprise, preferably for processing agricultural products. All of the above at the expense of the state. It won't be so expensive, I think that the money stolen by the stools and Skrylnik would be enough for a few of these villages.
    But after all of the above, I would have invited compatriots there.

    And there’s no need to invite, already at the construction stage the line would have stood. And builders from Ukraine, for example, would live there and stay.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 12 January 2014 11: 14
      +8
      Quote: Barracuda

      And there’s no need to invite, already at the construction stage the line would have stood. And builders from Ukraine, for example, would live there and stay.
      To be honest, I myself would have left this Moscow and would gladly move to such a village. Thankfully, I have experience. I had a summer cottage in the village. The locals were lucky, they built a factory for the production of yoghurts "Danone" nearby, and they quickly built it in 2-3 months (modular structures and equipment). The result is that the state farm has been preserved, the fields are sown, the livestock has been preserved, plus new jobs, if you want to work in production, if you want on the land, the village has become an urban settlement.
  • 120352
    120352 12 January 2014 11: 39
    +4
    Do not return the Russians to Russia, Russia will cease to be Russian, and therefore will cease to be Russia.
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 12 January 2014 13: 19
      +3
      Your words, yes to God / Putin / ZOG'u / our compatriots yes in the ears
  • mr.rafael-r
    mr.rafael-r 12 January 2014 11: 42
    +12
    Why does the program skid? Just the speakers of the Russian language and mentality are not needed by officials.
    I’ve been living in Russia for two years (Omsk), I moved from Kazakhstan (Petropavlovsk - a city once used to be in the Omsk-Tara province) and will receive (most likely) a Russian citizen passport in February 2014.

    What personally bothered us? It is not realistic to get a migrant’s ID in Kazakhstan (they give out a long time, far from us and not a fact) they drove themselves (they all sold and rushed). We arrived in June 2012 - there is no permission for RWP - wait: they waited for the beginning of 2013, then until the quota for RWP comes out, then surrender and waiting - they received it only in April 2013. Then they waited for the program to work - in the region only since August. Passed on the program - received in November 2013. Passed for citizenship in the 20s of 2013. Now I'm waiting)))))))

    And so it prevented me from becoming a citizen of the country that sent my grandfathers and grandmothers to build cities in Kazakhstan (and someone else didn’t voluntarily)))) ??????

    I did not have a question with the apartment - I bought the glory of God. But for those who are traveling from the KZ with naked opera, this is also not a big problem - if you don’t have anything there, then what's the difference where to be without housing ????

    The problem with work is YES. They don’t take us - they are afraid of the Federal Migration Service)))) We treat the RFP as Russian Federation and the same employer responsibility as with the Russians. Cheaper Tajik Tajiks: pay less and you can kick out. (But the FMS does not frighten them in this case - the benefit is good).

    But we are Russians - they beat us and we grow stronger.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 January 2014 11: 43
    +2
    The program with "super-duper" conditions has been closed since 2013. When both housing and a container with property and travel to the ball + lifting and social benefits for half a year. That is why the flow of emigrants dropped by half in 2013.
    1. mr.rafael-r
      mr.rafael-r 12 January 2014 11: 46
      +5
      Yes, figs do not need lifting. Only they took less from us. At each stage I got from 6 to 000 rubles of all kinds of duties - transfers and other notary services. )) And this is for 14 person. I have a family of 000 people.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 14: 17
        -2
        Quote: mr.rafael-r
        me at each stage went from 6 to 000 rubles of all kinds of duties

        Well, firstly, if you went according to the program, then absolutely all these amounts should be compensated to you, and secondly, describe how all these "stages"
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 12 January 2014 14: 28
          +3
          you must be compensated

          Should???
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 14: 30
            -1
            before you write and you need to read the laws, at least in that law on the "resettlement of compatriots" according to which I moved, all costs associated with paperwork in the territory of the Russian Federation and confirmed by documents were compensated, although I did not even bother with the wrong amounts that would fiddle with papers
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        2. Kolya
          Kolya 13 January 2014 02: 43
          +1
          Not true! Transfers do not compensate! Import of duty free property is true.
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  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 12 January 2014 11: 56
    +1
    Quote: Leader
    It's funny to read ... Blah blah blah blah! - that's all the "care" about our own!
    And about those who live here; and about those betrayed and abandoned by Russia abroad after it organized the collapse of the USSR (did they forget that the initiator of the collapse was Yeltsin? He so wanted to become "the main one" that for this he organized the "Belovezhsky Agreement", plunging the entire territory into devastation USSR and provoking numerous internecine conflicts ...).
    What can I say! Even all of our heroes are dead heroes. First they will be killed, and then they begin to be proud of them ...
    And only those who come here have no hope at all; who could not find themselves in a country that has become a foreign country (in the former "fraternal republic"); who came to despair ... I know how people who come here in Russia are met - went through it (starting with the clerk in the city hall and ending with the neighbors ...)
    It is more profitable for Russian officials to come up with various mythical projects and steal budget money under this idea than to do business.
    In Russia, war veterans still live in shacks - despite the annual oath promises of Putin and his "camarilla" to provide all veterans with comfortable housing for each anniversary of May 9th!

    You are right .. alas ..! But it was always difficult to live in Russia .. Alas, we have no consumer society (unlike the western one) .... We are constantly at war .. Russia, as we say, is a donor country in the world ... And the most offensive us for it also spread rot ..! Our WWII veterans are dying of a heart attack ..! seeing the SS marches in the Baltic states and in Western Ukraine ...! And the grandchildren will abrade on the housing bill .. (then the rewards are sold in the markets) suuuu and .. So do not blame us .. It's all familiar! Our veterans do not need to be touched .. We will still take revenge for them ..!
  • Arhj
    Arhj 12 January 2014 12: 00
    +7
    The fact that the country is in need of compatriots, migrants is a fact. But these settlers are not needed in all regions. It was rightly said above "we cannot provide the power we have." There is no need for additional population in the center, but in the east it is vital.
    Migration policies must be considered. Engaging the population should not be an end in itself. That is why payments for those wishing to move to the east should be greater than for those wishing to settle in the center. Another issue is that the existing payments do not allow the immigrants to be interested.
    In my opinion, if you are interested in people in a particular area, you must give public housing in this area. Housing is not money, you can’t take it with you, you simply won’t leave it.
    It is still not clear why the state does not encourage existing citizens to move to the east, and is not too keen to keep those already living there.
    1. Khrushchev
      Khrushchev 12 January 2014 13: 30
      +1
      because Putin is not Khrushchev and the Russian Federation is not the USSR and a program like the second virgin soil will not pull even in the coolest erotic fantasies
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    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 14: 16
      0
      Quote: Arhj
      Another issue is that existing payments do not allow migrants to be interested.

      you need to interest not only money, give cattle equipment, return products, tie people to the ground
    4. Kolya
      Kolya 13 January 2014 02: 45
      +1
      Quote: Arhj
      The fact that the country needs compatriots-immigrants is a fact

      Yes, not a country needs, but Russians should have the right to live in their homeland!
  • Altona
    Altona 12 January 2014 12: 27
    +6
    Why past the state? Most likely, because the state determines the return of compatriots with a bunch of inaudible conditions and unpleasant procedures, it requires reporting on each penny issued to the settler, instead of rebuilding normal residential villages and relocating those who wish there without any conditions ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 14: 14
      -3
      Quote: Altona
      Most likely because the state determines the return of compatriots with a bunch of inaudible conditions and unpleasant procedures
      listen well enough what "vague conditions and unpleasant procedures", donate blood for syphilis, or something like that ?!
      demands to report for each penny issued to the immigrant

      Why write nonsense? !!!
      1. Walking
        Walking 13 January 2014 15: 59
        0
        Vladimir, if it happened to you like that, you shouldn’t equal all migrants and the whole of Russia for yourself, the conditions and people are different everywhere, but you cannot understand this.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 13 January 2014 17: 12
          +1
          if you didn’t succeed, then do not equal everyone

          and it turned out not only for me
          1. Walking
            Walking 13 January 2014 21: 37
            0
            Yes, I somehow did not try, I have no problems living in Kazakhstan.
            And there is no need to make assumptions about “if you didn’t succeed,” by the way, I don’t equate anyone.
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  • ed65b
    ed65b 12 January 2014 12: 49
    +7
    I myself left for UZSSR at one time in Irkutsk. Today is my result. none of my relatives in Uzbekistan, only one brother of my wife’s relatives, the reason can’t sell the business for decent money, and it’s a pity to give up what I’ve created all my life. The rest are all in Russia. All citizens of the Russian Federation do not all have their own housing. But there is a prospect. The only thing the state helped me with is of course the refugee certificate and not the immigrant machine automatically gave benefits, a kindergarten, a school, free meals for children, etc. in general, the package was far from superfluous when you consider the fact that dashing 90 began with all the charms. All. The rest is with his head and hands. And whoever came and whined he still whines. The main thing is to clearly prioritize. Whoever left for the central part of the Russian Federation still has many who do not have citizenship, I’m wacking. A migrant needs to go at least to the north in the ass, but in order to get citizenship in the shortest time, then just live around to look around, understand where he got and what are the rules of the game. Well, then move, if not a stone, then everything will be in order.
  • TS3sta3
    TS3sta3 12 January 2014 12: 53
    -4
    for the resettlement program to work at full capacity, the same situation is needed as in Chechnya in 90's. then we won’t have to pay a lift - the shaft of refugees to their historical homeland is guaranteed, plus a national identity will wake up for those who managed to escape (and something else).
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 12 January 2014 13: 26
      +1
      Quote: TS3sta3
      for the resettlement program to work at full capacity, the same situation is needed as in Chechnya in 90's. then we won’t have to pay a lift - the shaft of refugees to their historical homeland is guaranteed, plus a national identity will wake up for those who managed to escape (and something else).

      Well, yes, just don't need that ugh, ugh, over your shoulder. There, after all, it will not be limited to this, there will be a continuation of the "banquet".
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 12 January 2014 12: 56
    +2
    Ukraine is currently extremely weak in resettlement
    By the end of this year - the beginning of the next, this situation will change dramatically. Most likely, even refugee camps will have to be done.
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 12 January 2014 14: 06
    +3
    The main reason that holds back the influx of compatriots into Russia is the ubiquitous and powerful bureaucratic apparatus. The bureaucrats of all stripes are trying to solve their selfish problems at the expense of future immigrants to Russia. Therefore, it is necessary to organize the resettlement of compatriots so that they have less contact with the bureaucrats.
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    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 14: 10
      +1
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      The main reason that holds back the influx of compatriots into Russia is the ubiquitous and powerful bureaucratic apparatus.

      Excuse me, are you a migrant? !!
      the restraining factor is inertia, fear (as there is in a new place) and lack of money for the move itself (payments and returns will be after, but you need to move and carry things now), especially for villagers
  • Altona
    Altona 12 January 2014 14: 19
    +3
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Why write nonsense? !!!

    ----------------------
    Vasilenko, do you have nothing to do? I don’t impose my opinion on you ... Graze your goats and do not trolling ... I actually talked about acquiring citizenship of the Russian Federation by residents of Ukraine, and I even knew a few people ... In 2007, obtaining Russian citizenship was difficult , there were some residency qualifications and stuff, and you are talking about blood for syphilis ... Of course, maybe they have simplified the procedure now, but there is nothing more to interest ...
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    3. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 19: 23
      -3
      Quote: Altona
      Actually, I was talking about acquiring citizenship of the Russian Federation by residents of Ukraine, and I was familiar with several people ... In 2007, obtaining Russian citizenship was difficult

      this is if every time you don’t have a thread from a list of necessary documents, there are those who do not have a complete set, they wrap them, and they sing songs about bad bureaucrats
    4. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 19: 36
      -3
      Quote: Altona
      In 2007, obtaining Russian citizenship was difficult, there were some residency qualifications, etc.

      this suggests that either your friends are lying to you or you come up in the year 7 about the qualification of settledness did not even speak
  • musya
    musya 12 January 2014 14: 54
    +2
    Government, review the program, taking into account the comments made. That should be the president’s visa
  • Altona
    Altona 12 January 2014 14: 54
    +4
    In general, forum member Vasilenko, I suggest you the following, instead of bullying with each participant about his misconceptions, in your opinion, they would write a better lengthy post about their experience, how to go through the procedure correctly, what documents to request, what amounts to focus on, how the law should be correctly observed, what pitfalls you can run into, what you should expect and what you should or should not rely on ... Believe me, many people would be grateful to you for such a constructive position ... People write about their experience, and he is different for everyone ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 19: 24
      -2
      Well, firstly, this is not a place for advice, if anyone needs a lady, and secondly, they often contact me by mail and give a specific person info.
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  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 12 January 2014 14: 58
    +3
    Lieutenant general
    Memory 23 (1)
    I’ve already read such an article, I think until we deal with the housing for the Russians at home, let the compatriots rely on their forces for a while, this is a fact.

    You know, many people do not need the help of the state to resettle to Russia, it is necessary that "sticks in the wheels" are not inserted. But it seems that the government just does not need the Russians to come to Russia. Otherwise, why shouldn't a person be given the opportunity to buy an apartment or a house if he wants to become a citizen of Russia? You must first obtain a residence permit, rent an apartment for several years (let the money go down the drain), it MAY BE (or maybe NOT), you will receive citizenship, and then you have the right to buy your own home. I think this factor for most people is a DETERIING factor. As well as the choice of place of residence: - if there is no work in the "priority" regions, then why go there, immediately "with outstretched hand" to the state? If a person were given the opportunity to decide on their own housing, region and job, the number of Russian settlers would increase tenfold.
  • homosum20
    homosum20 12 January 2014 15: 44
    +3
    What is this talking about? Only that the state does not really need the return of our compatriots (whatever it declares). A migrant worker does not have to provide housing. The workplace - again - is the problem of the market and not the state. And social tension, ethno-cultural problems and so on. - but this is not in those houses and areas in which the state lives.
    And beyond our nose, our state did not learn to look. Yes, and once - it is necessary to turn the country's wealth into bucks and quickly swipe, until the lafa is over. Not to compatriots.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 January 2014 15: 47
    +4
    Quote: chunga-changa
    Ukraine is currently extremely weak in resettlement
    By the end of this year - the beginning of the next, this situation will change dramatically. Most likely, even refugee camps will have to be done.

    Mostly for Hindus, Chinese, Tajiks, Kyrgyz, Armenians and Ayberbaizans, Turkmen ... They will buy officials and voila. Somehow I wanted to return to my homeland, thought it thought, it makes no sense, some problems and a lot of wasted money spent on Russian officials.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 January 2014 15: 57
    +4
    Quote: MikhnoOB
    we need Orthodox believers immigrants

    Much more Orthodox, my great-grandfather came to Siberia from the Solovetsky Monastery, great-grandmother on foot, too, from near Kursk, all grandfathers fought the Horde-bearers, thank God returned alive. Father all his life on guard of the Motherland stood, finally threw him into Ukraine. All Russians were born there like me. But in my native Tyumen the course is closed to me. It’s 2 times cheaper and less troublesome to live in Ukraine, although here officials get to the impossibility.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 12 January 2014 16: 02
    0
    Quote: musya
    Government, review the program, taking into account the comments made. That should be the president’s visa

    Yeah, now ....., the president heard you. He has one excuse, I am alone, but there are many problems, the ministers cannot cope.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 12 January 2014 17: 09
    +5
    Warrawar (4) SE
    Here the thing is that the Russian Federation does not pursue a national policy at all and does not protect the Russian people.
    The resettlement is carried out under some kind of vague notion of "compatriot", into which you can shove anyone at all - even a Tajik who does not speak Russian.
    Whereas in any normal European state, the law of "blood"
    .
    You don't have to go far for an example. Nazarbayev calls on ETHNIC KAZAKHs to return to Kazakhstan, and no one here, in state institutions, kicks them, in contrast to the policy of the Russian government and local officials who hold even a meager position. A relative, Russian, about 5 years ago, in order to obtain a residence permit in the village of the Volgograd region, to take care of a seriously ill mother, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, for three years sued local authorities, almost until her mother's death, and was forced to cross the border with Kazakhstan, otherwise it would generally lose the right to enter Russia. Although she was born in Russia, she worked for 3 years in the North, this is the attitude towards "compatriots", ethnic RUSSIANS.
    The trouble with Russians from the countries of the former USSR is that they want to become citizens of their historical homeland according to the law, and people from countries in whose blood "buy and sell", they will all become citizens for bribes, there are already millions of them in Russia.
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 13 January 2014 02: 55
      +2
      Kazakhstan is calling ethnic Kazakhs - Kazakhs are traveling, and Russia is calling compatriots - Uzbeks, Tajiks and so on are traveling
  • Lelek
    Lelek 12 January 2014 17: 18
    +5
    This is where the petrodollars should be invested - in the arrangement of poor compatriots, and not in foreign holdings. stop
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 12 January 2014 19: 27
      +1
      Yes, it is not necessary to "let a tear", and those Russians who want to live in their environment, among the Russians, should not be counted among poor fellow... they become "poor fellows" only when they face the bureaucratic machine of Russia while trying to become a citizen of Russia, although it was one the country, and many did not voluntarily end up in other republics.
  • Dardanec
    Dardanec 12 January 2014 18: 12
    +6
    I fully support the conclusions made by Mr. ia-ai00. For example: a significant number of Kyrgyz in Kyrgyzstan, have long had Russian citizenship, actually bought by them due to the desire to enrich all the bureaucratic brothers of Russia. All attempts by Russian people to obtain citizenship are smashed against a wall of misunderstanding and unwillingness to give it out by representatives of the Russian authorities ... Why did Russia organize the issuance of passports in Abkhazia and South Ossetia and at the same time descendants of people (not only Russians by nationality) whose ancestors were Russian The empires and then the USSR were transferred to Central Asia, the Caucasus and Transcaucasia to defend the borders of the Motherland and for the economic upsurge of the backward regions of the then unified state, today there must be "seven circles of hell" in order to become a Russian (I do not like this word, yes and many friends it is unpleasant ...) ????????????? Are Abkhazia and South Ossetia important regions in a geopolitical sense, and Russia thus ensured its influence in them? Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, etc. not important or less important?
    Too many representatives of the titular nations of these states already have a double, incl. Russian citizenship, and at customs in Kazakhstan, openly laugh at the Russians who travel to Russia by train and only two or three Russians in the carriage have only a Kyrgyz passport, and all the rest (titular in the former republics of the USSR) passengers have long been Russians ...
    Can someone answer how long this will continue? When will the authorities in Russia cease simultaneously declaring their desire to help compatriots and at the same time create obstacles for them on the way to obtaining citizenship, or move to the Russian Federation? While the words are at odds with the deed.
    Today, only the lazy one does not speak about problems with demographics and the predominance of migrants who speak Russian poorly, are far from the residents of the Russian Federation in cultural terms, but nevertheless come and receive citizenship (not all, but many), even Kurds go to the Russian Federation. But the issue of issuing passports to a huge number of Russian compatriots is not considered or even discussed. We are apparently considered as "extra mouths." But in vain, there are many of us, many of us are young, strong, healthy, educated and working, we could be very useful to our homeland. We do not ask for help, protection or handouts in the form of humiliating “lifting” when participating in the resettlement program. We ask you to give us what is rightfully given to us (citizenship) ... And we will earn the rest ourselves and also benefit the homeland and the Russian people. Only now, apparently, the ruling people in Russia do not need us, apparently Russia does not really need it (except to exploit it for the sake of profit), which can be significantly strengthened by providing compatriots with the rights of Russian citizens ...
    ps I heard I will soon have to take an exam in Russian when moving to Russia. I strongly doubt that anyone will be interested in what is my native language, although I speak a little English, but by and large I do not know other languages ​​besides Russian. What exam, dear Russians, I have Russian written in my birth certificate, and who knows, in the passport, the Russian, he will understand, I am an Orthodox Russian, what kind of name. exam, I have two higher technical education and one of them is Russian?
  • ars_pro
    ars_pro 12 January 2014 19: 08
    +3
    I studied in Moscow, I thought it’s good, while I’m studying, I’ll get my citizenship, a residence permit, and then little by little, Russian is my native language, and there are relatives in Russia ... Then, as I began to deal with this issue, I realized that I was naive as a "Chukchi girl", and the point is not even that there is no time to stand in line, but that the bureaucracy sucks it in, so I spat on this matter ... and I understand those people who really have no choice and through what they have to go through ...
    And so you walk along the street the dominance of various nationalities, although a friend, already in his uncle's years, said there were more Russians before than now. And in the Kremlin, in general, there are few Russians, somewhere a list of surnames slipped through, there are not even a third of them Russian.
  • darkman70
    darkman70 12 January 2014 19: 47
    +7
    As a person directly involved in the process, I can say that this entire program is fiction, blowing dust into the eyes. According to VTsIOM polls, only among ethnic Russian foreigners about 8 million people want to move to Russia. And how many really moved? It seems that the officials in Russia do not really need migrants, because the immigrants are not only not being helped, but even vice versa - they are in every way making it difficult for them with various delays. The only plus of the program is an accelerated citizenship. And then spin as you know.
    But the most unpleasant thing is not even that. When you read an interview with local officials, it is striking that they believe that immigrants should help Russia in that and that, and not vice versa. It is not Russia that should help the Russians who have remained abroad, not of their own free will and who are often discriminated against there, but poor migrants. This is some kind of nonsense. With such an indifferent attitude towards compatriots, I would even say a damn, no, even the best program will not work.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 19: 57
      -3
      Quote: darkman70
      As a person directly involved in the process

      and in what form you participate, the fact is that I, as it were, also had no negative emotions, like many others I personally know
      1. darkman70
        darkman70 13 January 2014 09: 13
        0
        In the form of a migrant.) Pskov region. Himself from Moldova.
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  • makarick
    makarick 12 January 2014 20: 55
    +1
    But can it make it easier to return the property to the heirs, which our grandfathers left to the state (if documents were available, of course)? After all, they didn’t go by themselves, namely, by order of their homeland.
  • Concept1
    Concept1 12 January 2014 21: 31
    +5
    We must give all Russians Russian citizenship and all went to ...
    In the birth certificate in the graph, the nationality is Russian - do not receive Russian citizenship automatically and go wherever you want!
    I was born in Kamchatka grandfathers come from the suburbs I live in Kazakhstan.
    When I asked my grandmother why you brought the ships and brought us, she answered me that in a nightmare she could not assume that the Union would fall apart.
    In turn, my grandfather and grandmother, having recruited to work in the 50s to the north, experienced all the difficulties there, having worked there all his life and retired, moved to Kazakhstan to my paternal great-grandfather, who, in turn, didn’t ask here to distribute Motherland to work in geology intelligence in trust.
    There was one power of the USSR (Russian Empire) side view.
    And at one point we were 25 million. Russian people each with their own stories woke up in other states. They became strangers in the republics that they themselves created, rebuilt within the framework of their Empire.
    Well, there are two ways to restore historical justice 1- return all Russians under the jurisdiction of Russia by issuing citizenship automatically. 2- restore the Union with "any name".
    1. Walking
      Walking 13 January 2014 16: 21
      +1
      My friend after the collapse of the Union decided to become a citizen of Russia and get a Russian passport instead of a Kazakh one instead of a Soviet one, as he was told at the embassy, ​​you first need to become a citizen of Kazakhstan and then apply for consideration to obtain Russian citizenship. After several more trips to the consular department, we had an opinion with him that we were not needed in Russia and that there were no more thoughts about moving.
  • polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 12 January 2014 23: 03
    +3
    The program has failed to date, and it must be admitted! FMS (like the traffic police and customs) are problematic services (very often they are involved in dirty deeds. CONCLUSION: Transfer the resettlement work to "manual control". Assistance to migrants (and citizens of the Russian Federation) to the Far East it should be many times more, if only people settled there, caught on, ... Israel's experience does not interfere with studying and legalizing in the conditions of the Russian Federation: passports to ethnic Russians (Slavs) are issued at the plane ramp, on the platform, on the pier.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 12 January 2014 23: 14
    0
    Quote: Kohl
    confirmation of diploma (6 months + money)

    if a diploma up to 91 years of age is not required, yes, and for some universities confirmation is not necessary
  • Hort
    Hort 13 January 2014 08: 55
    0
    lifting, of course, cheap ... They need to provide social housing and work if they have a skilled profession that is useful for Russian industry (for example).
    And the fierce control of local officials by federal authorities
  • Dardanec
    Dardanec 13 January 2014 09: 44
    +1
    Quote: hort
    lifting, of course, cheap ... They need to provide social housing and work if they have a skilled profession that is useful for Russian industry (for example).
    And the fierce control of local officials by federal authorities

    Providing housing, this is of course an important moment, but for me personally (I think I’m not the only one) it’s not a matter of principle, you can live in a rented apartment for the first time, if you have a sufficient income level. The most interesting thing is that there is a qualified profession, I sent resumes on vacancies on employment sites to various production organizations according to my profile, by the way there are even offers with housing, I was interested in many, and for me it would be a decent job. But when they find out that there is no citizenship of the Russian Federation, they frankly say that compared to other candidates, my chances will be close to zero, because I will have to pay additional taxes, and so on and so forth.
    But the question of obtaining citizenship, without which it is impossible to get a normal job, rests on countless bureaucratic delays (the time to collect an unreasonably large number of certificates, the list of which changes regularly, i.e. exactly as many times as you collected them on the previous list issued by the same body, simply not, I need to work, my family and children want to eat, etc.). There is an alternative to give the N-th amount of money for obtaining citizenship, without any guarantees of obtaining it, but in the first there is no superfluous, and in the second there is no desire to feed these mildly bad people.
    1. Hort
      Hort 13 January 2014 12: 39
      +1
      fast and hassle-free citizenship in general should be in the first place.
      It would be possible to attract employers to this: for example, if the company is interested in a specialist, it provides feedback on this to the FMS, which contributes to the accelerated procedure for obtaining citizenship. Well that’s true, the idea is offhand, as they say ...
  • Garrin
    Garrin 13 January 2014 09: 49
    +2
    Welcome all! hi Happy New Year, Friends !!! (Oh, take it again today.)
    I looked through the entire branch and was very disappointed for our people. Russia is our Mother, but thanks to the actions of the current liberal government, she acts like an evil stepmother.
    To summarize, the main problems:
    - Current legislation, which allows bureaucrats to impede citizenship.
    - Problems with housing.
    - Problems with employment.
    - Miserable lifting.
    If you look, then each of these problems is artificially created and contrived. Everything is completely solvable, and at minimal cost, and if you give our people the opportunity to return, all these costs will be repaid in full.
    With the law, it’s clear that I simply simplified the process of obtaining citizenship as much as possible, I decided to move - get a Russian passport right away, even at the consulate.
    Housing. Above suggested, as an option, the construction of villages on the site of abandoned villages. Also, as an option, abandoned military camps can be restored at minimal cost.
    Employment. To build small enterprises, why industrial giants are needed. If the Vietnamese manage to organize sewing shops, then this should not be a huge problem for the state.
    Lifting. As I saw in this thread, most of those who moved would even refuse them, if only they would not fix obstacles. Do not fish - give a fishing rod.
    In short, all problems are solvable, only political will is needed. And here it is, just not there. And this, the most offensive.
    1. Dardanec
      Dardanec 13 January 2014 12: 17
      +2
      Good afternoon! Thank you, and Happy New Year to you too!
      There are a lot of problems, of course, I have been interested in this topic for about ten years, and around the last year I began to notice that it has become more and more discussed on the Internet. It is very pleasing, perhaps representatives of the authorities somehow monitor the mood of the masses voiced in nete. So, IMHO, there is hope that in the coming years the situation with resettlement will change for the better, if of course those in power are generally interested in the long-term future of the country.