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“I would call our macroeconomic policy degenerative and vile”

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“I would call our macroeconomic policy degenerative and vile”

KM.RU experts sum up the 2013 of the year. Today, the main events of the past year are analyzed by TV journalist Mikhail Leontyev.


What we now see in Ukraine is “Georgia the other way around”

The first main event is global, the second is local. The first event is terribly positive, the second is very depressing. Of course, Russian diplomacy was a success in Syria: we managed to prevent a war. But I would note not how much it is, how much a global turn in politics. Yes, this turn is incomplete, it is the beginning of a tight reversal.

We have already said that Russia was right. In what? Our emphasis on multipolarity was considered idiocy and marasmus, but this turned out to be absolutely correct and pragmatic. I would even say, superpragmatic, because the United States (the American elite), realizing the situation, began to negotiate and conclude deals. We were ready for this. And this is not about the “chemical supply”, but about our policy both in the region and in general. We gave Americans the opportunity to make pragmatic deals. Previously, they were not ready for this, they did not want and did not understand. And now they are ready, willing and understand.

Look, we see this practically across our entire interests: Georgia, Syria, Ukraine ... What we now see in Ukraine is “Georgia the other way around.” There was a game on the principle of “not to say neither yes nor no”, but in the end everything turned out, in fact, conventional. This is the first, and this is indeed a turning point.

Born to crawl can not fall, and it is humane

The second is the economic recession that began in Russia before the crisis. It is systematically caused by macroeconomic policies, which I would call completely degenerative, vile and vile, and it stretches from 1991 year. Within its framework, the only successful action was the default of 1998 of the year, and even that was forced. Everything went to the detriment of the Russian economy!

This is probably the most effective anti-crisis policy in the world, because when the global crisis hits us, it turns out that we already have a full-blown crisis, and nothing hurts us. Born to crawl can not fall, and it is humane. There is no country in the world that implements such macroeconomic policies. It is fully aimed at completely exterminating domestic production and bribing the population, subsidizing it for the purchase of imports through the roasting of natural rent. This - the main disgrace that may exist at all. This is how it looks.

Integration is needed, because in the world that exists now, we alone will not survive

I will say something about integration projects. If we take everything that concerns the world view and self-consciousness of Russia in that part that can be determined by one person (Putin), then everything is in order. Integration refers to understanding including being Russia in the world. It is clear that in the world that exists now, we alone will not survive.

Putin thinks normally, but where he does not consider himself really competent and trust God knows who — there is a nightmare, with one exception. Vladimir Vladimirovich chose a person who is hardly personally close to him and with whom not the best associations are associated. I mean Sergey Glazyev. Here he is absolutely committed to this idea. He is a fan of integration, he is a real imperial politician. He is so much a fan that he doesn’t even understand how others can not understand this.

When I said that Putin trusts not to whom, then this does not apply to Glazyev. But all the post-Soviet elites are disintegrative, they hate it, because otherwise they are nobody.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 11 January 2014 15: 42
    +34
    "When I said that Putin trusts no one knows who, this does not apply to Glazyev."

    And what can you say about the Red-haired Bestia? Surely he also trusts the specialist as a specialist. No wonder the people consider him only a specialist in especially large thefts ...
    1. Yuri Y.
      Yuri Y. 11 January 2014 15: 54
      +12
      Well, it’s said, indeed, to anyone other than Glazyev. I recently read his online interview about Ukraine. It turns out not only they didn’t read the agreement (the report was remembered), but also their government.
      Online Literature Magazine
      Edition of the Russian Unity Foundation
      Moscow, No. 51 - January 2014
      Sergey Glazyev: “The Ukrainian leadership has not read the agreement with the EU”
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 11 January 2014 16: 43
        -3
        Quote: Yuri Ya.
        Sergey Glazyev: “The Ukrainian leadership has not read the agreement with the EU”


        So they didn’t read it, it considered it in their pockets and foreign accounts.

        Quote: makarov
        And what can you say about the Red-haired Bestia? Surely he also trusts the specialist as a specialist.

        Ginger should be hung up - a fact, well, or at least send him to retire away from assets, the truth is a similar analogy between Peter and Prince Menshikov is recalled (Petya knew that he was stealing, but as a manager he was quite normal in comparison with the others).

        So that they would not shout, but Skolkovo really moved our nanotechnology forward, although it is a monument to I-diotisma DAM after his trip to Silicon Valley.
        1. de klermon
          de klermon 11 January 2014 19: 34
          +35
          If Skolkovo (by the way, I live a kilometer from this "miracle") has moved something forward, then only if forward to the cemetery !!! Well, tell me, why should a country in which dozens of already operating science cities badly need support needed to build something in an open field ?!
          PS Chubais and nano to the Skolkovo organization do they have anything to do with it?
          PPS Skolkovo should be compared not with Silicon Valley but with silicone boobs ... An equal degree of falsehood!
        2. Troitsky
          Troitsky 12 January 2014 12: 30
          +2
          Well, not only About Peter and Menshikov was remembered. Under Stalin, too, was such a letvin name. Stalin decided to remove him only 2-3 days before the war.
      2. AVV
        AVV 11 January 2014 19: 41
        +4
        If they can read, they can only count personal profits, and what the hell will happen to Ukraine, and they spit on the people from a high tower of selfish interests!
      3. SunSanBel2003
        SunSanBel2003 12 January 2014 12: 13
        +7
        Have we read an agreement on accession to the WTO here in Russia? Or, like the Ukrainians, in 2008 sent their economies to the slaughter because the leader said that we would be better off like this? Orange Yushchenko dragged Ukraine into the WTO, and Putin dragged Russia into the WTO. Why is the Ukrainian economy so bent even before any association with the EU? Simply, according to the zombie man, no one will tell this truth - painfully bad parallels arise. Our supreme bazaar is anti-orange. but things ...
        1. Tartary
          Tartary 12 January 2014 13: 41
          -6
          Quote: SunSanBel2003
          Have we read an agreement on accession to the WTO here in Russia? Or, like the Ukrainians, in 2008 sent their economies to the slaughter because the leader said that we would be better off like this? Orange Yushchenko dragged Ukraine into the WTO, and Putin dragged Russia into the WTO. Why is the Ukrainian economy so bent even before any association with the EU? Simply, according to the zombie man, no one will tell this truth - painfully bad parallels arise. Our supreme bazaar is anti-orange. but things ...

          Who is interested, he understands that the purpose of joining the WTO of Ukraine and Russia is not the same ...
          The purpose of Ukraine under Yushchenko even discuss breaking ...
          But for Russia, accession to the WTO at the time of the creation of the CU and before the start of the EurAsEC is blurring the eyes of "potential friends" (TS - GAME ...), who really believed that they could throw a noose on the "Russian bear". ..
          However, the players were taught the tricks of the "Game" in different schools ... and now, as it turned out, they are on top of everything else, also in different categories ...

          So, do not whip the long-settled foam, pzhlst ...)))

          Incidentally, by the time Russia in the WTO will be burdened with at least some economic restrictions, the WTO may become called the CU ... In other words, the wise man - "or the donkey dies, or the Sultan ... well, or WE"
          1. SunSanBel2003
            SunSanBel2003 12 January 2014 14: 51
            +6
            He wrote complete nonsense - sorry, brother. Or maybe you still believe in fairy tales. The points:
            1) The WTO was created by his old-timers to break into foreign markets and suppress foreign production. This applies to both Russia and Ukraine. Therefore, the goal of those who are pulling their economies there, on the same conditions and in the same condition as Ukraine and Russia, is the same and their owners are, by and large, the same. Therefore, there and in our country the conditions for entry were not even translated. There, the people then believed in Yushchenko, and in our country, Putin. We, as Ukraine, did not feel the consequences just because Russia has oil and much more, which is now quietly surrendering to concession, etc.
            2) In fact, contrary to the tales by which powerful propagandists cover the country’s surrender to the WTO, by their sole accession to the WTO (although in 2009 we agreed with Belarus and Kazakhstan, that if we do, it’s only together) that Russia has made other members of the CU First of all, Belarus, because its market was opened through us. Old Man spoke about this last year, and Glazyev (though quietly, only at a meeting in the RF CCI, where measures were discussed how to get out of this train ... now).
            3) Entry to the WTO - ruble, exit - 2. To exit (that is, to worsen the customs regime for the WTO members), all countries who lose on this need to pay compensation - for which there will not be enough money. So the "loop" is still worn on the bear.
            4) Even those feeble measures to support our industry and agriculture that were agreed upon were practically not implemented in a year and a half. Hence the recession and the closure of all major investment projects in these industries. And no one is in a hurry to fight for discriminatory measures against our enterprises either - Putin only in December signed a decree only on the creation of a permanent representation of the Russian Federation (with legal service) at the WTO headquarters in Geneva. And we are already fulfilling their requirements - the recycling fee will now be collected from our cars. So the "foam" hasn't settled anywhere - we just can't eat. and not we, but our children - for our century, the dough from oil is enough to pay us a penny, and even more to all Misha Leontyevs, so that fairy tales tell how we will circle them all around our finger.
            1. Tartary
              Tartary 13 January 2014 13: 08
              0
              Quote: SunSanBel2003
              He wrote complete nonsense - sorry, brother. Or maybe you still believe in fairy tales. The points:


              Your points, brother, will be read by the one who wishes above ...

              My answer is: - I would like to see today who Putin (read Russia) will spread rot through these very points prescribed in the WTO ...

              Think a little more ... and it will become clear to you that after a while these items, along with the paper where they are written, will make it easier to wipe the place that is better to wash after ...)))
              1. SunSanBel2003
                SunSanBel2003 13 January 2014 17: 54
                0
                Quote: Tartary
                Quote: SunSanBel2003
                He wrote complete nonsense - sorry, brother. Or maybe you still believe in fairy tales. The points:


                Your points, brother, will be read by the one who wishes above ...

                My answer is: - I would like to see today who Putin (read Russia) will spread rot through these very points prescribed in the WTO ...

                Think a little more ... and it will become clear to you that after a while these items, along with the paper where they are written, will make it easier to wipe the place that is better to wash after ...)))


                So far, brother, only we are wiping ourselves. Well, I wrote that at the request of the EU and the USA (within the framework of the WTO), we have already adopted the law on recycling collection for cars produced in Russia, that is, we have abandoned the competitive advantage. And out of 95 discriminatory measures against Russian manufacturers, only three were canceled during the year and a half of our stay in the WTO. By the way, the fact that now budgetary money will flow into private universities and clinics instead of state ones is our adherence to WTO rules.
                And the question is: why did you decide that no one is decree for us now? Was that the result of Serdyukov’s command of the army that inspired you?
    2. de klermon
      de klermon 11 January 2014 19: 23
      +11
      Red-haired Bestia is more about Anna Chapman, well, or about someone else in that spirit, and the one you meant is more about Red-haired B..d, sorry for the French! Given his reputation, he is not something that Putin does not trust (he announced this a year ago, no less), but his liberal society as well (judging by the scandal with which the Union of Right Forces fell apart and by the fact that his name is still any, even liberal, political movement considers it a black mark) ... Here I have another question for Putin ... In 2005 it was still clear, I simply did not manage to get rid of Yeltsin's miscarriages, but now after the third (and the fact of the fourth) carte blanche from the people of what is he doing all kinds of trash next to him and in general in power or around it? .. Now we have to decide something! And then carte blanche can not wait!
      PS With personnel, Putin generally has a lot of incomprehensible things: keep Glazyev with him, and in the government of Siluanov with his gang led by Medvedev, whom it is high time for him to straighten his bear's ass for his opening ... punctures, but for ignoring Putin's direct orders! What, weakly punish the bear? Hardly, then it turns out that the renowned "family" headed by Voloshin, whose façade has long been moonlighting our "clubfoot" prime minister, who has recently shown herself in the "case" of Baumgertner, this very "family" has by no means put up with the loss of direct access to power! !!
      1. da113
        da113 11 January 2014 19: 32
        +6
        I absolutely agree with you !!! We can live better, but for this there must be another government with a balanced program !!!
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 11 January 2014 19: 40
          +2
          Quote: da113
          there must be another government with a balanced program !!!
          1. da113
            da113 11 January 2014 20: 23
            -2
            Why am I talking about Medvedev and not about Putin - as the president (he is a monument) ... because in the current situation, when there is no opposition, but the future president will be - who will be appointed ..... it may be happiness for the people, although there would be a change of inadequate government which does not connect its life and the life of its offspring with this Strange! Yes, and it makes no sense, to write the same thing, bring them into a pure field and at a cost by the decision of the people's tribunal, as in the birth of the Soviet government)))
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 11 January 2014 20: 50
              +4
              Quote: da113
              happiness for the people may be at least a change in an inadequate government

              It cannot, because it will not change anything. Changes are possible only in the case of a change of president (then the government will change and the system will begin to change), and until then ...
            2. nycsson
              nycsson 11 January 2014 22: 46
              +3
              Quote: da113
              happiness for the people may be, at least a change in an inadequate government which does not connect its life and the life of its offspring with this Strange!

              And why is that? Our President is responsible for domestic and foreign policy in accordance with the Constitution ......
          2. cros
            cros 11 January 2014 20: 44
            +4
            And who will pass the law on the replacement of winter time, then hint that it will be possible to lead again.
            Cross
            1. da113
              da113 11 January 2014 20: 55
              +1
              Quote: Cross
              And who will pass the law on the replacement of winter time, then hint that it will be possible to lead again.
              Cross

              These winter time laws are like little reforms. All in order to destroy the debugged mechanism.
          3. zvereok
            zvereok 12 January 2014 02: 28
            +4
            Well, good luck to the author (as evil tongues say, to Sechin’s close sidekick):

            Rosneft will have a new vice president of PR. According to Kommersant, the well-known journalist Mikhail Leontyev will oversee the company's external relations.

            By the way, it was thought that in the Empire, the very Russian one, the private life of the Grand Dukes and Princes was to some extent public.

            And the current pack is hiding so that then no ends can be found. So, God forbid, we are from an absolute monarchy chosen by the hands of EP, but damn it, as you would like for the change of power in the country to happen predictably and the authorities were not afraid to announce in the country that it controls who and what its children are doing.
      2. da113
        da113 11 January 2014 19: 41
        +8
        Sometimes a conclusion suggests itself ... for whom does Medvedev work? But obviously not to Russia)
      3. ty60
        ty60 11 January 2014 19: 53
        +7
        you yourself answered the question. The henchman of the family sacredly fulfills orders and has NOT touched ANY of the people of the family. And all must be thrown with stools.
      4. varov14
        varov14 12 January 2014 14: 23
        +1
        I don’t feel everything is right with power structures, they are also rushing between money and conscience.
    3. ty60
      ty60 11 January 2014 19: 48
      0
      Chubby from a drunk team
    4. true love
      true love 11 January 2014 20: 08
      +4
      He is "inviolable", he is the "overseer" of the State Department. Until there is complete sovereignty, he will remain one way or another at the "trough".
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 11 January 2014 20: 16
        +8
        Quote: true love
        he is the "overseer" from the State Department
    5. acute
      acute 12 January 2014 14: 03
      +3
      The redhead lives his own age, bathing in money and peace, putting his enemies in prison. Why is this possible, only because of that. that he helped Putin and Medvedev in many ways and they don’t touch him
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 12 January 2014 16: 37
        +1
        Quote: akut
        This is possible only because of this. that he helped Putin and Medvedev a lot
        This is understandable and completely unimportant: Putin, Mededev, Chubais, Kudrin and other, less well-known, guys are one team and have been doing one thing since the beginning of the 90s - it is not surprising that they push and cover each other.

        It is surprising that so far not all citizens of the country have bothered to ask themselves a simple question - what is the name of the gentleman who, using his official position, purposefully creates conditions for actual criminals to commit crimes, and then covers these criminals?
        1. zvereok
          zvereok 18 January 2014 00: 40
          0
          No, no ... I think Kudrin helped the country, although many disagree with this. Without it, in 2008, our country would have been bought for a penny. But he lost his chair because of a dispute with Medvedev, and he was sitting in the ass and sewed privatization.
    6. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 13 January 2014 04: 01
      0
      Quote: makarov
      "When I said that Putin trusts no one knows who, this does not apply to Glazyev."

      And what can you say about the Red-haired Bestia? Surely he also trusts the specialist as a specialist. No wonder the people consider him only a specialist in especially large thefts ...

      There is a lot of Gazprom behind the redhead. And Glazyev is a good patriot and a fairly competent person. He hacked off Yavlinsky’s initiative under the PSA agreement. Who knows. he will understand.
  2. kaktus
    kaktus 11 January 2014 15: 55
    +5
    About macroeconomic policy, alas, everything is right
    1. alone
      alone 11 January 2014 16: 40
      +13
      Of course, the success of Russian diplomacy took place in Syria: it was possible to prevent a war.


      Where did they stop the war? The war continues. It was simply prevented from outside interference.
      Things should be called by their proper names, citizen Leontyev
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 11 January 2014 17: 16
        +2
        Alone. Are you fighting
        If you hadn’t stopped the strike on Syria, probably everyone would have fought as well.
        1. alone
          alone 11 January 2014 18: 57
          +5
          I would have fought solely for the sake of my country. Do you think the Americans were so idiots that they could make a card for the whole world because of Syria?
          Quote: JIaIIoTb
          If you hadn’t stopped the strike on Syria, probably everyone would have fought as well.

          We would not have fought, but would have turned to ashes.

          Americans needed XO. Syrians passed it. with the help of Russia))) here is the whole performance !!
          1. Alexei
            Alexei 12 January 2014 06: 39
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            . Do you think the Americans were so idiots that because of Syria to make a cord to the whole world?

            Lonely, in vain do you sympathize with them. They were so idiots that they thought that no one would fit in for them, as well as for Iraq and Libya. Yes, it’s realistic for everyone to jump on whether there is a chemical weapon in Syria or not. It’s just that they were so idiots that decide that their scenario in Iraq will ride again. Here explain to me how the lack of chemical weapons in Syria can help the Americans?
          2. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 12 January 2014 07: 30
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            Do you think the Americans were so idiots that because of Syria to make a cord to the whole world?


            Yes, I think that all of America’s recent actions are definitely not leading us to peace.
          3. Genur
            Genur 12 January 2014 21: 23
            0
            ASHTRAY - actually a useful thing.
          4. acute
            acute 13 January 2014 11: 11
            0
            Lonely, do not give a damn about the Americans or not Syria has chemical weapons. There is a redivision of the world for the possession of natural resources. Somehow everything is superficial.
  3. major071
    major071 11 January 2014 15: 58
    +24
    Putin thinks normally, but where he does not consider himself really competent and trusts anyone, it’s a nightmare,

    If on the international arena Putin looks competent, then some progress is underway. And on the domestic front, he apparently considers himself incompetent and has recruited "competent" people who are plundering the country and trying to merge it into the West. If you are the president of a great country, then please be competent in everything. hi
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    2. vezunchik
      vezunchik 11 January 2014 16: 47
      +11
      The fact of the matter is that the leader’s competence and organizational skills are precisely determined by the ability to pick up a good team. And only a short-sighted leader, afraid to lose power and therefore not trusting his deputies, picks himself, to put it mildly, far from smart and far-sighted deputies.
      As popular wisdom says, a smart boss and a deputy are smart!
      1. A.YARY
        A.YARY 11 January 2014 17: 02
        +12
        Here are the words of the All-Russian Odnak:
        Putin thinks normally, but where he does not consider himself really competent and trusts anyone, there is a nightmare, with one exception.
        QUESTION: Well, it turns out that there is only one "normal" in the entire "suite"?
        CONCLUSION: The efficiency of the government is below the plinth, but the "head" does not see it!
        1. da113
          da113 11 January 2014 19: 37
          +1
          Putin speaks normally, if he thought normally, now there would be a different government and prime minister ...
          1. cros
            cros 11 January 2014 20: 57
            +6
            NOT alone he speaks correctly, but the consequences of his speeches leave much to be desired.
            Cros.
          2. GREAT RUSSIA
            GREAT RUSSIA 11 January 2014 22: 16
            -3
            Quote: da113
            Putin speaks normally, if he thought normally, now there would be a different government and prime minister ...

            If he didn’t think normally, we all now looked at the new Gaidars and the Yeltsins, and at how Russia was breaking up into several more states.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 11 January 2014 22: 39
              +3
              Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
              If he wouldn’t think normally, we all now looked at the new Gaidars and Yeltsins
              Ibrahim, have you really closed your eyes? smile

              and how Russia breaks up into several more states.
              Can be more?
              1. GREAT RUSSIA
                GREAT RUSSIA 11 January 2014 22: 53
                -1
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Ibrahim, have you really closed your eyes? smile

                No, I didn’t close it, I mean, theft on a scale larger than now, although to be honest, I can’t believe that the scale can be more than that.
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Can be more?

                I mean the parade of sovereignty, we have not yet moved away from this threat, and you are well aware of it. By the way, they have minusitated in vain, but I'm not upset about the minuses.
                1. Yarosvet
                  Yarosvet 11 January 2014 23: 03
                  +3
                  Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                  larger theft than now
                  The extent of theft depends not only on the presence of thieves, but also on the availability of theft items - and therefore the scale is now smaller.

                  I mean the parade of sovereignty
                  The sovereignty parade ended in 93 with the adoption of the Constitution: those who could and wanted to leave - left, those who could not or did not want to - remained.

                  By the way, they minded in vain, but I'm not upset because of the minuses.
                  And pralno smile
                  1. GREAT RUSSIA
                    GREAT RUSSIA 11 January 2014 23: 14
                    +5
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    The sovereignty parade ended in 93 with the adoption of the Constitution: those who could and wanted to leave - left, those who could not or did not want to - remained.

                    More precisely, those who did not succeed. Many pacified, or those who could not, as you said, remember the Ural Republic.
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    The extent of theft depends not only on the presence of thieves, but also on the availability of theft items - and therefore the scale is now smaller.

                    I agree, there are fewer items to steal, but they are still quite enough.
                    Quote: Yarosvet
                    And pralno

                    Think for yourself, if you are upset because of the minuses, then you can grab a heart attack. wassat
                    1. Yarosvet
                      Yarosvet 11 January 2014 23: 45
                      +5
                      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                      More precisely, those who did not have time
                      In what sense "did not have time"? laughing This is not an issue where speed matters.

                      Pacified many
                      Who are "many"? After the 93rd, only the Caucasus (mainly Chechnya) had hemorrhoids, and then she was apparently allowed to.

                      remember the Ural Republic
                      What year was that? smile

                      I agree, there are fewer items to steal, but they are still quite enough
                      That is why -
                      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                      ...I mean, scale theft bigger than now...


                      Think yourself, if you are upset because of the minuses, then you can grab a heart attack
                      Et yes - the heart must be protected ... laughing
                2. Normal
                  Normal 11 January 2014 23: 34
                  +4
                  Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                  how Russia breaks up into several more states.

                  Russia of recent centuries, so 10 loses (and returns) the territory.
                  Russia and Russians left:
                  From Tmu-Tarakani (returned)
                  From Kievan Rus (returned)
                  From the Smolensk Principality (returned)
                  From Prussia (then returned)
                  From California.
                  From alaska
                  From the city of Paris
                  From Port Arthur.
                  With CER
                  From Finland.
                  From Poland (then returned)
                  From Eastern Europe.
                  From Cuba and Vietnam (now it’s kind of coming back)
                  From Central Asia
                  From the Caucasus
                  From the Baltic states
                  With (what the hell is the Caucasus?) UKRAINE AND BELARUS! (Crimea, this is a trifle).
                  Russia fell apart and disappeared ?? !! Do not wait!

                  Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                  I mean the parade of sovereignty, we have not moved away from this threat,


                  How did you manage to stop the process of Russia's disintegration at the beginning of the XNUMXs if it was "almost impossible"?
                  Without fighting and a lot of blood, with unusual ease, as on command, the separatism of Tataria, Bashkiria, Sverdlovsk, Samara and Volgograd regions, Siberia and the Far Eastern regions melted like smoke, like morning fog.
                  Despite the fact that Chechnya actually separated, neither Ingushetia, nor Kabardino-Balkaria, nor Karachay-Cherkessia, nor Dagestan, nor Kalmykia, Tuva, Mordva, Yakutia did not follow her example. NONE! But then it was quite possible. Why, one asks? And by the fact that there was no separatism except that it was artificially imposed on the outskirts of the center... Suffice it to recall how on DTV the announcers began to "SUDDENLY" distort the Russian language and say "Moldova" instead of Moldavia, "Tatarstan" and "Bashkortostan" instead of Tatarstan and Bashkortostan. Who and where said "Take as much sovereignty as you can"?
                  Even in Chechnya, separatism was crushed until the central government itself pulled Dudaev out of the Baltic, where he lived normally, and transferred him to the Caucasus with well-defined goals.
                  So do not about the collapse of Russia. If then Russia did not fall apart, if, having the example of Chechnya, no republic directly and unequivocally announced its secession from Russia, then why should this happen now?
              2. Normal
                Normal 11 January 2014 22: 55
                +7
                Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                we all looked at the new Gaidars and Yeltsins,

                Quote: Yarosvet
                Ibrahim, have you really closed your eyes?


                And what DAM is not the new Gaidar? Well, perhaps only smaller and mediocre (although where already mediocre then ???). Also strive to privatize state property.
                And why isn’t the new Yeltsin GDP? Well, perhaps only younger, sportier and does not plump into black. And so ... Also - Garrrrant ... Sits and watches balance interests (system of checks and balances) of comprador oligarchs and pseudo-state oligarchs.
                Oh yes ... foreign policy successes ...
                Well, you need to somehow PR. In domestic politics - the defeat of production, education, health and science. in the economy - a complete apofigey, and this at such energy prices. So you have to score points at least in foreign policy. Although ... there are not so great successes as pro-government propagandists broadcast to us.
          3. nycsson
            nycsson 11 January 2014 22: 48
            +6
            Quote: da113
            Putin speaks normally, if he thought normally, now there would be a different government and prime minister ...

            Still, conversations with business would not diverge! And the way our people say: "Pi .... th, do not roll bags."
      2. cros
        cros 11 January 2014 20: 54
        +1
        This is ideally in fact often the opposite.
        Cros.
    3. DEfindER
      DEfindER 11 January 2014 16: 58
      -3
      Quote: major071
      If you are the president of a great country, please be competent in everything.

      Even if he was competent in everything, it is physically impossible to carry out work for the government, no matter how smart he is, you cannot do without a single team .. And when the majority of the environment is liberal, building a team out of them is not so simple.
      And perhaps we need a red demon to look after the West, he is his own man there ..
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 11 January 2014 18: 19
        +2
        Quote: DEfindER
        And when most of the environment is liberal
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 11 January 2014 20: 54
          -1
          And so what can the prime minister appoint?
          I repeat once again, when there is no team and enough competent and devoted people for all key posts, then you have to put up with incompetent ..
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 11 January 2014 21: 07
            +5
            Quote: DEfindER
            And so what can the prime minister appoint?
            Все.

            when there is no team and competent enough
            My dear man, do you confuse competency with goal-setting for an hour?

            and loyal people
            To whom are devotees, and why?

            you have to put up with incompetent ..
            Huh? Kindergarten 2nd group, or personal interest?
            1. DEfindER
              DEfindER 11 January 2014 23: 06
              -2
              Quote: Yarosvet
              To whom are devotees, and why?

              Loyal to the country, not money, such as the former Minister of Defense .. And I’m sure that the reshuffle in the government will continue, as worthy replacements appear ..
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 11 January 2014 23: 30
                +7
                Quote: DEfindER
                Loyal to the country
                So all the same, kindergarten ...

                You see - it doesn’t matter how much an official is devoted to the country, it is important how much his actions comply with the Basic Law.
                If an official’s actions do not comply with the Basic Law, then there are a bunch of codes, the prosecutor’s office, the Investigative Committee, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the court and finally the president.
                If the actions of the guarantor themselves do not correspond to the Basic Law (as in our case), then we must be complete fool , in order to hope that over time mythical especially competent guys will appear and everything will change.
                The same Glazyev in the role of prime minister would have looked any better than the incompetent (from your point of view) Medvedev. But Glazyev is not a prime minister, and, together with a violation by the guarantor of the Constitution, this state of affairs speaks only about one thing - the government and others like it have enough competence, just the goals that the government sets itself (from the president to the EP deputy) radically diverge from your idea of ​​good country.

                not money like a former defense minister
                Which did not suffer - like the oligarchs with the exception of Hodor, like the guys involved in the work of tomographs, daimler, prosecutors, lambiads, etc., as well as the unforgettable nanolithium.

                And I am sure that the rearrangements in the government will continue, as worthy replacements appear ..
                Read the fables of Krylov - suddenly it comes to the account of permutations, which will certainly continue.
                1. DEfindER
                  DEfindER 12 January 2014 17: 04
                  0
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  it doesn’t matter how much an official is devoted to the country

                  No comments :)
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  The same Glazyev in the role of prime minister would have looked any better than the incompetent (from your point of view) Medvedev.

                  Well, the guarantor apparently knows better where Glazyev would have looked better at the moment, everything has its time)
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Who didn’t get hurt - like the oligarchs

                  Those. lost his post and under investigation as a suspect is not injured?
                  And what oligarchs do you propose to chop abroad, where did they all escape after landing the hodor?
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Read Krylov's fables - suddenly it comes to the account of permutations

                  It’s as if you have fallen from the moon, rearrangements have long been going on, you need examples - Luzhkov, Serdyukov, Kudrin, this is one of the most high-profile ones, there are also many replacements in the regions ...
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 12 January 2014 19: 37
                    0
                    Quote: DEfindER
                    No comments
                    And then there is nothing to comment on: a post is a function, and the task of any person replacing a post is to correspond to this function, and not fight in patriotic ecstasy.

                    Well, the guarantor apparently knows better where Glazyev would have looked better
                    Then do not drive Medvedev and Chubais - the guarantor definitely believes that they are in their places.

                    Another guarantor (of the Constitution, by the way) believes that the Constitution can be hammered into, that the country needs idle chatter about the fight against corruption and urinating in toilets, cuts in social guarantees and an influx of migrants are necessary, criminals need to be excused, the Unified State Exam is necessary, beggarly salaries are needed, the all-round degradation of the main masses of citizens of the Russian Federation and other "delights" characteristic of the feudal system.
                    Continue to support the guarantor in what he considers necessary, and you, sooner or later, will surely be counted.

                    Those. lost his post and under investigation as a suspect is not injured?
                    Namely - the punishment is always over-adequate, otherwise it is not a punishment, but an act of sale and purchase. And the deprivation of office and being under investigation even an act of sale and purchase is not - so, a minor inconvenience, the costs of "labor" activities.

                    And what oligarchs do you propose to chop abroad, where did they all escape after landing the hodor?
                    Why not? And did they run away, or were they released? And who replaced them and what is doing - or maybe the "holy place" is empty?

                    permutations have long been going
                    Precisely - exactly the same as in the famous fable of Krylov.
                  2. SunSanBel2003
                    SunSanBel2003 12 January 2014 19: 52
                    +2
                    Quote: DEfindER
                    You seemed to have fallen from the moon, permutations have long been going on, you need examples - Luzhkov, Serdyukov, Kudrin, this is one of the most high-profile ones, there are also many replacements in the regions


                    The mistake came out: Luzhkov and Kudrin actually took off ... Medvedev. Really forgotten already? or themselves from the moon?
      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 11 January 2014 18: 54
        +4
        Quote: DEfindER
        And perhaps we need a red demon to look after the West, he is his own man there.

        This is the opposite. Wherever the neck turns, the head looks there.
      3. ty60
        ty60 11 January 2014 19: 56
        +2
        he is the main sink there. Not cabbage, information
    4. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 11 January 2014 18: 52
      +3
      Quote: major071
      If you are the president of a great country, please be competent in everything

      The wish is certainly a good one, but I remember an old anecdote about the first wedding night of the old tsar and the young queen: "Dear ... and" this "... is that all ??" The king's answer: "Do not be impudent, this is not a tsar's business, so I will order you properly, you ... t."
  4. Altona
    Altona 11 January 2014 16: 19
    +14
    He already said many times about our flawed economic policy ... I also don’t understand why we give all sectors away ... We could produce a bunch of goods ourselves with the same and better quality ... I look, in the economy there are already Chinese braids and sickles , and a full copy of the Soviet ... In general, all the former Soviet goods were copied, I have two flashlights for chargers - he is Russian for one 5 years, now I bought the exact same Chinese clone ... Well, this is me for an example ... Can’t your people be attract production? So that they all do not stand on the market with Chinese things? Well, okay ... Consumer goods ...
    But their machine-building production in many respects does not live thanks to, but contrary to ... Although it is quite possible to start it, only not through the stupid tranches of VTB24, but to create a normal bank for reconstruction and development with long loans ... For some reason, such a bank is working hard in China and we aren’t ... Of course, such a bank doesn’t work on a lender from a consumer loan or money laundering, but on normal leasing payments, and it is beneficial for it to have a lot of real sector, and not overlooked with momentary requests ...
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 11 January 2014 16: 32
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      But in many respects its machine-building production does not live thanks to, but contrary to ...

      Exactly! And when "thanks", it closes, as, for example, UZTM.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 11 January 2014 17: 01
        +4
        Quote: Altona
        I don’t understand why we give all sectors away.

        This is called a free market and private enterprise, and what does it mean we give everything, who gives it, Putin? In your opinion, Putin should be engaged in the production of spoons and teapots, etc.? Don't you think he has more important tasks? And why, then, people like you? Who alone can teach everyone how to do everything correctly and better with an intelligent look. Well, go ahead, take out a loan, buy a machine and start effectively stamping spoons with the stamp "Made in Russia"))) and try to surpass the Chinese in the market. So it's not that simple. Do you want Stalin and 37, and you are ready for war or for the fact that tomorrow they will come to you and forcibly make you dig a trench with a shovel at 6 o'clock in the morning for the foundation of the future plant ...? Wake up gentlemen and strain your brains now completely different realities in the world. It is necessary and possible to break the system to which Russia in 91 was connected to the western outlet by "famous people", but very carefully, otherwise you can break the wood. Now we are talking about who will last longer, until the moment when everything starts to sag and whether it is necessary to explain that the resources of Russia are the subcutaneous fat of a bear, which gives it a head start in the future, by the way, they understand this perfectly well over the hill and that is why they throw sticks at wheels.
        1. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 11 January 2014 19: 03
          +2
          Quote: SPACE
          whether it is necessary to explain that the resources of Russia are the subcutaneous fat of a bear which gives it a head start in the future, by the way it is perfectly understood beyond the hill

          It was these "understanders" who removed the rossiyansky fat in 2008, otherwise the "guarantor" in 2007 hung noodles for a zomboyaschik, like "a country can live for two years without working." Then the 2011 crisis. - indicative zeroing of the Cyprus offshore companies. And the actual control of the US Federal Reserve over the Central Bank of Russia leaves no chance for the remains of the post-Soviet economy.
        2. Karabin
          Karabin 11 January 2014 20: 01
          +5
          Quote: SPACE
          that the resources of Russia are the subcutaneous fat of a bear

          Then I see how the faces of Ottoman, Alekper, Abramovich and other millers shine.
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 11 January 2014 21: 12
            +4
            Quote: 11111mail.ru
            These "understanders" and took off the Russian fat in 2008

            Quote: Karabin
            Then I see how the faces of the Ottoman, Alekper, Abramovich and other millers shine

            You remember the 90s, when the USSR collapsed, and so not only the USSR collapsed, but also the Warsaw Pact and the entire CMEA bloc, the gigantic sales market of the USSR collapsed! And all those enterprises that were built in Soviet times in the USSR and provided not only us, but more than half of this world, were not needed overnight! I will not explain what the West got, they say it is incalculable in monetary terms! remember the newspapers for 80 years, how the West lived, strikes, miners in France, somewhere else, etc. and suddenly such a gift in the form of a market of not frightened "buyers" and the West mastered them with incredible joy and accepted a vampire into their arms. And what about our enterprises, not only were they not needed physically, there was nowhere to sell the goods, so also the intra-Soviet ties collapsed and everyone had to dig out of this pit one by one. Therefore, something fell apart, but something was pulled out, who, in what ways and what labor cost, it is not for me to tell you. And for 10 years of our devastation, the west was prosperous, on which they made a qualitative leap into the future, having mastered new technologies, etc. whose products have already received advantages, practically capturing the domestic market! So what to do? You think it's easy to set everything up, not just factories, they are not needed by anyone, if there is no sales, namely the system of industrial economy and it is not necessary to compare the present time with the USSR, so many enterprises are not needed, since there is no such market anymore! And the main task now is to modernize and return markets, and with whom, and with those who know how to do business, negotiate, etc. Well, and morale, this is the tenth thing, or do you think that with monastic manners, with the West, you can build a business?))) In short, everything is not unambiguous, confusing and difficult here. And you shouldn't cut it hot without understanding it, but that's not all there are still nuances ...
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 11 January 2014 23: 22
              +5
              Quote: SPACE
              in the West there was prosperity, on which they made a qualitative leap into the future, having mastered new technologies, etc. whose products have already gained advantages, almost capturing the domestic market! Well, what to do?

              Protect your market through quotas, duties, etc. Chinese consumer goods from paper clips to cars is not good news as high-tech. Pens from Turkey, too, are not on the nano-ink. Cattle can also be grown without electronic bracelets, but meat is imported almost half of the need. Instead of protectionism, they entered the WTO and are now bound by obligations to further open markets. But they negotiated a 10-year transitional period for the ghouls of bankers, so there is no way to see adequate loans to manufacturers.
              And the main task now is to modernize and return the markets, and with whom, yes with those who can do business, negotiate, etc.

              This task was failed yesterday, now it’s just right to talk about reindustrialization. Only no one in leadership is incapable, and not interested in this, just a verbiage of GDP and DAM. I agree with the thesis of Leontyev about degeneracy and infamy.
        3. cros
          cros 11 January 2014 21: 22
          +2
          We have already stretched since 1991, as a result of Libya, Syria, Ukraine, we lost allies in all countries of the world, and not only $ was paid for their attitude; Primitive RAW economy. China has stepped over the CULTURAL revolution, is planning a base on the moon for space exploration. The Russian Federation did not use the potential of the USSR for its development, and can still stretch ....
    2. Grbear
      Grbear 11 January 2014 17: 28
      +3
      A bit out of shape, but understand (it's simple)
      - "They have a lot of barokhla, but there is already no one to sell"

      Conclusion: —Catch a country with resources, and match them with brand "What is useless to us" And our du ... zealous caught fire. They thought that:
      - you can eat everything;
      - life belongs to them;
      - and money will make children happy (Nature rests only on geniuses children)

      And in general - "Be Healthy Boyarin" hi
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 11 January 2014 19: 06
        +2
        Quote: GrBear
        A bit out of shape, but understand (it's simple)

        In Gaidai's famous film, a certain character seemed to shyly objected: "You need to have a snack!"
    3. ele1285
      ele1285 11 January 2014 18: 13
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      I don’t understand why we are giving away all sectors ... We could produce a bunch of goods ourselves with the same and better quality ...

      What you really don’t understand is why production is falling apart. It’s clear as a white day. Production is workplaces is a worker. It’s just that the class of workers has collapsed. And those who have the courage to speak out are immediately intimidated, we will replace the line behind the fence. Because they are afraid of the self-organization of people. Why are there hordes of migrants when the jobs themselves are not enough so that at any moment they can replace the locals, the Kyrgyz have neither a stake nor a yard, and it does not matter where they spend the night in Murmansk or Krasnoyarsk. A turner (welder , a smelter, etc. can’t be replaced right away) and production is spreading with us. Because they are really afraid, and office plankton, for the most part, is a herd of consumers. Just imagine, an enterprise is admissible in two thousand people. Among them, several dozens are not indifferent. the question is, why does the manager have a salary of 20 times that of a skilled worker or engineer. Did others ask the management to ask this question. Do the managers need this? That's why they all collapsed. We eat up the Soviet, and what are we building about, there the Tajiks will be able to work and will not yap.
      1. ty60
        ty60 11 January 2014 20: 20
        +3
        Gazprim. At the racks, 50 percent are Transcarpathian. The economy on each salary is from 20 to 25 per month. Our employees have a maximum of 5 .40 salaries in Russia, a fairy tale. For Russia, the bummer is doubled.
    4. cros
      cros 11 January 2014 21: 06
      +1
      And this is possible under Kudrin and others. The environment will not allow others to solve the problems of the Russian Federation, the president is above all this and may or may not take action.
      Cross
  5. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 11 January 2014 16: 45
    +3
    Quote: When I said that Putin trusts not to whom, then this does not apply to Glazyev. But all the post-Soviet elites are disintegrative, they hate it, because otherwise they are nobody.

    The Soviet Union collapsed only because (at a referendum, the peoples of the USSR said yes to the Union) because the elites of Central Asia and Transcaucasia realized that they could become uncontrolled bans over their people. The time has come and millions of migrant workers to this confirmation.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 11 January 2014 17: 10
      +13
      Ivanovitch47. There is no need to deceive us either. Who signed the Bialowieza agreements? Who shouted about independence? Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan were the last to leave the USSR. So Borka generally cheated us, draining the old rubles. hi . About migrant workers from their bureaucrats (in uniform and without) you need to ask.
      1. Ivanovich47
        Ivanovich47 11 January 2014 18: 02
        -4
        Migrant workers go to Russia against the will of "bureaucrats (in uniform and without shoulder straps)". Nothing to ask from them. And the question of separation from the Soviet Union in Central Asia was the main one back in the 70 of the last century. Your elite was just waiting for the moment. And waited in the year 1991. Even the Baltic states were a smaller enemy of the USSR than you. So no one is deceiving history, and even more so of you. stop negative
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 11 January 2014 20: 07
          +6
          Good evening, Ivanovich 47! So you did not answer the question about the Bialowieza Accords. And again, new charges. And the 70s, I did not understand honestly. What is the elite? Kunaev wanted to get off - Brezhnev's closest friend, who also stood at the helm of Kazakhstan and knew him.
          In your opinion, it turns out that the Kazakhs in the Essian uniform were punished in Belarus, and the Lithuanians were "Panfilov's men" and the "312th Aktobe division" near Moscow (I can confuse the division number). They waited in 1991 for expulsion from the ruble zone with a bunch of old rubles. Thanks to the actions of Kazakhstan, it was possible to organize a civilized divorce for sovereignty - the signing of a package of documents on the CIS in Alma-Ata. So do not blame your sore head on a healthy one. Ask Borka (we have enough wisdom not to blame the Slavic peoples for the collapse) and Humpbacked for the USSR.
          So besides emoticons you have nothing to argue. hi
          1. Ivanovich47
            Ivanovich47 11 January 2014 20: 11
            -2
            Quote: In your opinion, it turns out that the Kazakhs in the Essian uniform were punished in Belarus, and the Lithuanians near Moscow were "Panfilovites" and
            I do not consider it necessary to respond to such nonsense!
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 11 January 2014 20: 24
              +4
              So who started the Nonsense? If you do not understand my humor, I will ask you differently.
              Who demolishes and who builds monuments (including in Russia) to the heroes of the Second World War? In which country are the Essesses marching, and in which they celebrate MAY 9, as the NAC. HOLIDAY ? Where Russian is recognized as NEGORS, ​​and where they are considered equal and Russian is made the second state. and the language of int. communication? In which country are Russian theaters and cultural centers being closed, and in which are they creating?
              You will decide who is your ALLY and who is NON-FRIEND! You follow your opuses, and do not blow your lips - "Answer this B ....". If you are wrong, admit that there is no court here and we are not judges - everyone is mistaken because of not knowing, it happens to everyone. wink
              1. Ivanovich47
                Ivanovich47 11 January 2014 20: 33
                -2
                You propose to analyze the course of the Second World War and interethnic relations in the USSR. This is an overwhelming task. Yes, and now I have another more important job than a talking shop with you that no one needs. Your "love" for Russians is understandable. This conversation is useless and stupid. I have said everything.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 11 January 2014 20: 58
                  +4
                  And what does "love" for Russians do? I have never mentioned the attitude towards Russians. Why are you doing this? I didn’t suggest analyzing anything, but suggested that we decide with the allies and comment on the facts I have stated. You deviated from this and accused me of something that does not exist at all. I did not see the logic in your words, and even more so in your position. Some incomprehensible charges. request
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 11 January 2014 18: 09
      +4
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      The Soviet Union collapsed only because (at a referendum, the peoples of the USSR said yes to the Union) because the elites of Central Asia and Transcaucasia realized that they could become uncontrolled bans over their people.

      Let me disagree with you. Not the elites understood, but the elites were promoted by people who wanted to become these very bays. Here, on the one hand, there is the Caucasus, where they trained those where weapons were imported at least from the mid-80s, where groups oriented to power at any cost were already forming, and the KGB, you know, knew all this very well !, but on the other hand, for example , Kazakhstan, where at the helm was a protege of local elites, who, as you remember, until the last did not want to sign the collapse of the Union. Remember, Moscow replaced Colbin in its place just in the mid-80s? He would have signed up right away, probably. It turns out that the legs do not grow from local elites, but from ... Well, how is it? An architectural monument on Red Square, the name popped out of my head))) In general, you yourself understood hi
    3. s1н7т
      s1н7т 11 January 2014 18: 09
      +2
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      The Soviet Union collapsed only because (at a referendum, the peoples of the USSR said yes to the Union) because the elites of Central Asia and Transcaucasia realized that they could become uncontrolled bans over their people.

      Let me disagree with you. Not the elites understood, but the elites were promoted by people who wanted to become these very bays. Here, on the one hand, there is the Caucasus, where they trained those where weapons were imported at least from the mid-80s, where groups oriented to power at any cost were already forming, and the KGB, you know, knew all this very well !, but on the other hand, for example , Kazakhstan, where at the helm was a protege of local elites, who, as you remember, until the last did not want to sign the collapse of the Union. Remember, Moscow replaced Colbin in its place just in the mid-80s? He would have signed up right away, probably. It turns out that the legs do not grow from local elites, but from ... Well, how is it? An architectural monument on Red Square, the name popped out of my head))) In general, you yourself understood hi
  6. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 11 January 2014 16: 49
    +7
    Russia is forcibly at a low start, allowing the era of the West to logically end without confrontation with Russia, this is a less bloody option. If there was no war, no one is hungry, but the fact that not every family has laptops is not fatal.
    But there are reserves that allow you to conduct your policy more confidently.
    1. matross
      matross 11 January 2014 17: 48
      +3
      Quote: Sadykoff
      Russia is forced to be on a low start, allowing the era of the West to logically end without confrontation with Russia, this is a less bloody option. If only there was no war

      What? The idea is interesting and, in general, explains a lot. Let Western civilization go to the bottom in a natural (degenerate) way and pick up the fallen banner of world managers. And we do not need war at all, it is also true, there are not many of us left, we must not die on the battlefields, but multiply. And in domestic politics, it turns out, "everything is going according to plan", careful evolution without convulsions and throwing, slow movement in the right direction ...
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 11 January 2014 19: 57
        +2
        Quote: matRoss
        "everything goes according to plan", careful evolution without convulsions and throwing, slow movement in the right direction ...

        To feudalism.
      2. not good
        not good 11 January 2014 20: 15
        -4
        Hopes ... hopes ... Do not confuse a low start with “cancer.” It is difficult to disagree with Leontiev, we want to believe that Russia is at a low start, waiting for a team from the main thing, and our government puffing its cheeks can not, how nor tries to bring the country to its knees.
      3. ty60
        ty60 11 January 2014 20: 24
        +1
        and we have, as always, emptiness and fatigue. And we have it all. Only where is he that way?
  7. pamero
    pamero 11 January 2014 17: 08
    +4
    Eh Misha everyone says how they started with Gorbachev and continue. When will the practical political and economic decisions oriented towards us citizens of the country?
  8. Grbear
    Grbear 11 January 2014 17: 11
    +4
    Gentlemen, I respect you all.
    But the COUNTRY, which ALL WORLD capital has lowered, AND, which made us reckon with ourselves - worthy of respect. (my commas)

    Separately, Leontiev.
    If you are so smart, why did you let the country crash? And if they did, then why is it still here? Or is there a desire to dance?

    PS Macro is a little bit, for Russia, WE will fix it.
  9. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 11 January 2014 17: 22
    +5
    Effective January 13, 2014, Mikhail Leontyev has been appointed Vice President of Rosneft for PR, at the same time he will be an advisor to the President of the company Igor Sechin. The position is specially created for him. As political analysts say, "what is not good for Sechin." Now Leontyev's articles will probably be much "richer". tongue
  10. demotivator
    demotivator 11 January 2014 17: 27
    +7
    Good news for Russia - a barrel of oil on world markets once again costs 106 bucks. And in the budget for 2013-2014, they planned something for only $ 96. Can we rejoice? But something is not very inspiring.
    I can name a number of root reasons that not only "our government is failing to do anything," but most importantly: "the supreme power is failing to do anything" (to which the GOVERNMENT does not belong in any way and in any way).
    The first reason is that there is “no one to do” and “no one to entrust” the pulling out of the swamp of Russia's ruined economy that produces material value. And it is so ruined that even pumping stations and even simple valves for the pipelines of our main wealth - GAZPROM (not to mention pipes) are made in Italy, Germany, Poland and Sweden, but not in Russia.
    So, the deficit of "healthy heads" is indicative - ONLY FOR SOCHI - (just so that Sochi does not break down) Putin found two sane and reliable top managers - Zhukov and Kozak.
    But already for the work of the government (alas) there are none - it was not found. But we have:
    Kudrin, a pro-American liberal, was the one who wanted to cut the military budget drastically;
    Medvedev is a complete "nothing" (empty space);
    Shuvalov - businessman of his own pocket;
    Nabiullina and Golikova - well, it's just women, what is their demand;
    So - the first reason - of loyal and trusted people - to Putin, in principle, no one to entrust the modernization of the ECONOMY.
    The second reason is that 20-30 trillion rubles are needed for modernization (for, in fact, the rise of machine building and instrumentation from the bare field), which is commensurate with a ten-year military budget. It is impossible to attract such money from abroad, for obvious reasons it is not possible - the West does not need a strong modernized Russia, the West is now investing in Poland. Poland will produce machines and devices (and Ukraine, as it was said long ago, will grow pasche-nice). And therefore, all sorts of stupid Chubais "enticements" such as forums "Russia 2010 is calling", "Russia 2011 is calling", "Russia is calling in 2012", "Russia is calling in 2013" - turned into only clown gatherings of our mu @ aks with theirs foreign crooks (who gave cosmic depth of advice "how to rebuild" - but they did not give money).
    The third reason is that the local oligarchic elite - nurtured and nurtured by Putin's regime (Prokhorov, Deripaska, Vekselberg, Potanin, Usmanov and others who are not included in the "golden twenty OIL GENERALS of the Putin clan") none of this elite oligarchs interested to "invest and take up the construction of factories and industries"
    They are already "all right." And why should they take on an extra "headache" ?!
    Reason Four (which I might even call the FIRST reason) is the corrupt bureaucratic vertical of power, which will gobble up and tear apart any state system for financing MODERNIZATION. Is this collection of officials just waiting (drooling hungry) when Putin and Medvedev will launch a system of banks to finance modernization programs from the reserve social fund?
    because then it will be possible to pull away and cut half of these funds!
    Now, about such a sad picture I have looming.
    1. ty60
      ty60 11 January 2014 20: 29
      +1
      Well, you need to feed colleagues
  11. I think so
    I think so 11 January 2014 17: 38
    -1
    If I knew that the author of the article, Leontiev would never have opened. Well, since I opened an UNCLEAR MINUS to him. Just a man (here on the TV sounded pee-and-and-to).
  12. standby
    standby 11 January 2014 18: 06
    +3
    Even the lampholders for Chinese lighting bulbs are Chinese, and do not hold more than 60 W, they burn out ... Zhoppa in general!
  13. Garrin
    Garrin 11 January 2014 18: 07
    +6
    TV presenter M. Leontiev will become vice president of Rosneft

    Entirely here: http: //top.rbc.ru/economics/08/01/2014/898374.shtml
    Well, Misha was paid. For such bonuses, he will push the buttocks on the air and make a blowjob not expensive.
    I felt that he had been squirting recently.
  14. Strashila
    Strashila 11 January 2014 18: 10
    +5
    Macroeconomic policy ... this is the lack of politics ... their task is to destroy the economy ... and not climb.
    If you approach the state of the economy in Russia, it has a unique chance to repeat the Soviet miracle of industrialization of the 30s of the last century.
    The situation is actually one to one ... all in the area of ​​the sciatic nerve.
    And what was done ... they began to correctly transfer the technology of the USSR ... Ford, Caterpillar ... food processing plants and much more, this created jobs in the West and improved the situation in the USSR.
    But there is a striking difference ... there are no politicians and economists in Russia of such rank to think about their Country ... so a bunch of traders ... sell, rob and pluck to Londongrad ... such is their destiny.
  15. demotivator
    demotivator 11 January 2014 18: 12
    +3
    Quote: I think so
    If I knew that the author of the article, Leontiev would never have opened. Well, since I opened an UNCLEAR MINUS to him. Just a man (here on the TV sounded pee-and-and-to).

    Yes, this is the same Leontyev, from the first channel, who was recently appointed vice-president of ROSNEFT to Sechin. Well what can I say? Misha did, however! The newspaper "Journalistskaya Pravda" suggested that a tough information war would break out between the largest Russian corporations this year. According to the newspaper, this war will have the character of "a tough ideological confrontation, in which groups oriented towards the" Rothschild clan "(in our country this is Sechin's group) will act as" anti-liberals "and" anti-compradors ", and groups oriented toward" the Rockefeller clan ", on the contrary, defend" human rights "and" human values ​​"". Since Sechin and the accomplices position themselves like patriots, in this situation they turn out to be the henchmen of the Rothschilds, their opponents are agents of the Rockefellers, and there are no defenders of Russia's interests among its elite at all. So Leontyev urgently needed Sechin precisely in order to create him an image of a tough statesman. However, those who wish can find on the Internet a large article from the newspaper Nasha Versiya, where Sechin was convincingly denounced as an agent of Western influence and a burner of state money.
    1. ty60
      ty60 11 January 2014 21: 10
      +1
      Wait and see.
    2. Normal
      Normal 11 January 2014 22: 05
      +4
      Quote: demotivator
      Misha licked, however!

      Tooting! Leontiev is a classic example of a pro-government demagogue.
      “I would call our macroeconomic policy degenerative and vile”
      Brands and convicts in words, but in practice
      Mikhail Leontyev Appointed Vice President for PR Rosneft
      Starting January 13, journalist Mikhail Leontyev will become Rosneft’s presidential adviser to the rank of vice president, sources close to the company, government and presidential administration told Kommersant. The post of Rosneft’s PR adviser and vice president is created under Mr. Leontiev. He will oversee the activities of the Department of Information and Advertising.
      adindex.ru/news/marketing/2014/01/9/105527.phtml
      has a gescheft with this very "vile and degenerate macroeconomic policy"
      Everything is in the spirit of the Kremlin-Putin tradition; in words, one thing, but in fact the exact opposite.
      1. John_Wood
        John_Wood 12 January 2014 14: 37
        +3
        How did Misha earn such infinite trust?
        1. Normal
          Normal 12 January 2014 16: 02
          +2
          Quote: John_Wood
          How did Misha earn such infinite trust?

          Silk tongue wink
  16. konvalval
    konvalval 11 January 2014 18: 24
    +1
    As long as we have this government, headed by MDA, there will be no sense in anyone. S. Glazyev, the Prime Minister and let him pick up a team.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 11 January 2014 19: 46
      +2
      Quote: konvalval
      While we will have this government, headed by M.D.A.
      1. John_Wood
        John_Wood 12 January 2014 14: 24
        +3
        Minus ... They do not even know how to read or read and do not understand?
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 12 January 2014 16: 39
          0
          Unhappy people - suffer from cognitive dissonance (c) ...
  17. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 11 January 2014 18: 30
    +2
    A lot of money is corrupting. Let's see what M. Leontyev will sing in a year when they threaten him: Either money, or articles about the heinous macroeconomics.
    1. SunSanBel2003
      SunSanBel2003 12 January 2014 19: 35
      +2
      The opposite is true. position with a super-large salary in Rosneft, Leontyev was encouraged for such articles. What is his task? Trumpeting about Putin's victories (despite the fact that with them, with the same disarmament of Syria, is a big question) and excuse him from "vile macroeconomics", from the collapse of education, medicine - like it's not him, but some bad liberals from him. Judging by the comments, he manages to fool a large part of the people. So, the award has found a hero ..
  18. WIN969
    WIN969 11 January 2014 18: 34
    -2
    Where was he and his kind with his advice when a garbacher and Yeltsin robbed and sold our country, sat in their holes with full pants, and now they have complaints, we are poorly developing domestic production, it is degenerate, and why it’s good to develop, only moving away from devastation.
  19. Barakuda
    Barakuda 11 January 2014 18: 41
    +2
    Hello, however. M. Leontiev generated very correct thoughts and observations. And then some kind of failure in my "program". But only he does not read all this, it is we who only communicate with ourselves.
    1. ty60
      ty60 11 January 2014 21: 13
      0
      Has it been released, however? The firmware has been changed ...
  20. sawmill
    sawmill 11 January 2014 19: 27
    +1
    I do not quite understand what the essence of Putin’s policy towards Ukraine is. And what exactly is our victory?
    Ukraine without external infusions would be very sucks, it is not a fact that it will be better with infusions.
    Money could give us or the west. The West always gives money with difficulty, in terms of specificity, and not much.
    We were given.
    Something is not visible that they would love us in Ukraine more.

    Everything, as always, Europe did not give money, but everyone loves it (the pies are really some kind of bl ... American distributed on the Maidan)
    Russia has given money and everyone will not see it.

    A very bright and not at all expensive victory for Russian diplomacy.

    PS I really hope that there are some kind of closed agreements and promises of Ukraine, even if they were fulfilled.
    1. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 11 January 2014 20: 21
      0
      Quote: sawmill Something is not visible that they would love us in Ukraine more.
      Where do not kiss Ukraine, you will always see ....
    2. Botanologist
      Botanologist 11 January 2014 21: 39
      +1
      Quote: sawmill
      Something is not visible that they would love us in Ukraine more.


      Nobody likes lenders. But they must smile.

      Quote: sawmill
      I really hope that there are some kind of closed agreements and promises of Ukraine, if only if they were fulfilled.

      Well, where will they go? An oral agreement is one thing, and public debt is another. Do not do it voluntarily - force the whole world. This is the basis of modern existence, here already without jokes.
      1. sawmill
        sawmill 11 January 2014 22: 01
        +2
        And where have they always gone before, is that the first money that they are given for food?
        And our bonus is where.
        Tired of this eternal game, give money, or else we’ll enter NATO. They gave money, anyway, and now we are in the European Union.
        And so in a circle.
        Something I did not hear about the second state. language in Ukraine. About Russian schools, the same is not good. Etc.
        And the fact that they did not join the European Union, and we expose this as our victory, is a very dubious squiggle.
        1. Ivanovich47
          Ivanovich47 11 January 2014 23: 08
          0
          Quote: And the fact that they did not join the European Union, and we expose this as our victory, veryhe is a doubtful squiggle.

          This is not a squiggle. and the big gun of Russia.
    3. cros
      cros 11 January 2014 21: 41
      +2
      In Belovezhskaya Pushcha, too, apparently there were closed agreements, but what a result!
      Cross
  21. Oskar
    Oskar 11 January 2014 20: 05
    +8
    “If a citizen is forced to pay for education and medical services, to accumulate a pension from his own funds, to pay housing and utilities in full at the market price, then why do I need such a state ?! Why should I still pay taxes and maintain a crazy army of officials? he always said at all levels that health care, education and science should be provided from the budget. If the state puts this concern on us, let it disappear, it will be much easier for us! "
    Nobel laureate J. Alferov
    I’ll add from myself: let the new state disappear and arise (through our efforts) - just and humane!
    1. sawmill
      sawmill 11 January 2014 20: 54
      -4
      We will destroy the whole world of violence to the ground, and then
      We our, we will build a new world, who was nothing than that will become everything.

      February
      October
      NEP
      Collectivization
      Khrushchev
      Restructuring
      GKChP
      Yeltsin democracy
      Putin feudalism

      Will we stir up one more thing?
      Another rake approach?

      The problem is that there is no consensus among fellow citizens about how this should be arranged, as you said a philanthropic and fair state.
      One needs a freebie, more money and less work. MMM is the most popular fun.
      Edyros already satisfied with everything
      Someone wants to analyze everything
      Many are already thoughts in exile
      Who cares where to steal

      Probably everyone will agree to live in the country with free medicine, education, housing. With good salaries and excellent pensions. And whatever would be on the shelves, and for a penny. Sea resorts at discounted prices. And it would still not work
      Well, or almost not work.
      But it does not happen.
      1. Oskar
        Oskar 11 January 2014 21: 20
        +4
        Living as it is now will not work for a long time anyway. The bill has gone for years.
        Quote: sawmill
        Probably everyone will agree to live in the country with free medicine, education, housing. With good salaries and excellent pensions. And whatever would be on the shelves, and for a penny. Sea resorts at discounted prices.

        It is worth striving for this, but how else? Live for this and die if need be. The Russians have shrunk, however ... "If only there was no war," "the main thing is stability" - and this is in a country in which EVERYTHING was acquired as a result of wars and expired ... but in peacetime?
        Quote: sawmill
        And it would still not work
        Well, or almost not work.

        But you have to work! laughing
        1. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 11 January 2014 21: 28
          +3
          Quote: Oskar
          stability is the main thing
          1. John_Wood
            John_Wood 12 January 2014 14: 26
            +4
            Corpse Stability ...
        2. sawmill
          sawmill 11 January 2014 21: 52
          -2
          On the account of the fact that it’s not possible to maintain this stability for a long time, I completely agree.
          The question is what will be the changes, where will we steer?
          Who will steer?
          Just with every rake approach
          Damage to the forehead is getting worse. All these experiments with reform-revolutions cost us dearly.
          Losses under an hour are irreversible. Russia as a result of each attempt at improvement loses much more than it finds.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 11 January 2014 22: 36
            +4
            Quote: sawmill
            what will be the changes, where will we steer?
            Who will steer?

            All necessary changes are concluded in the strict execution by the authorities of the 2 first chapters of this:
        3. nycsson
          nycsson 11 January 2014 22: 55
          +4
          Quote: Oskar
          Living as it is now will not work for a long time anyway. The bill has gone for years.

          I would add that our country does not have long to live with such mediocre governance. I think no more than 3's ..... crying
          1. Oskar
            Oskar 12 January 2014 05: 09
            +2
            2-3 years! Absolutely agree.
        4. John_Wood
          John_Wood 12 January 2014 14: 41
          +2
          Quote: Oskar
          But I have to work

          Have to work hellishly !!!
      2. Normal
        Normal 11 January 2014 22: 33
        +7
        Quote: sawmill
        February
        October
        NEP
        Collectivization
        Khrushchev
        Restructuring
        GKChP
        Yeltsin democracy
        Putin feudalism

        Will we stir up one more thing?
        Another rake approach?


        Do you propose to peacefully rest in Putin's feudalism? We will wait for serfdom, and there it is not far from the slave system. To know (future slave owners) we have, the people have already been asked to become a "mobile labor force" without rights, real estate, property and permanent residence, that is, they have been asked to become homeless. Then they will say that it is necessary to stop the unauthorized and uncontrolled movement of people around the country and it is time to put things in order (we will gladly agree). They will introduce a ban on changing owners and jobs. We will have "Here's to you, grandma, and St. George's Day"

        Quote: sawmill
        And it would still not work
        Well, or almost not work.


        Old demagoguery. We want to work, but they tell us; you are loafers and lazy people - you don’t want to work for a penny (and gain Gaster) We say that production is closing, education and health are being destroyed, and we are told that we are worthless and ridiculous - we can’t organize our business or we’ll settle in a warm official place, but for knowledge and health, they say, you have to pay (to whom ???). And they tell us all this TE who never worked, who fussed in time and HAPNUL. Who is the Soviet, public property, who is the national treasure in the form of natural resources, and who is the power itself.
        1. sawmill
          sawmill 12 January 2014 00: 32
          -1
          Before you wave your saber, and you can start a new revolution, can you decide on a program?

          Goals?
          Methods?
          Community support?
          Dates?

          Where is the party or movement proposing REASONABLE CHANGE?

          Communists?
          Ediros?
          Zhirinovtsy?
          Prokhorov?
          Albats?
          Black Hundreds?
          Patriotic retirees?
          Just the United?
          Grandmothers for Putin?
          Grandfathers for Stalin?
          Bulk against corruption?


          Where is the political, economic program transformed?
          Where is the leader behind this program?
          Until it happens, any reforms or God forbid the revolution will give the same result as the previous ones.


          The slogan "We want everything to be oh ... enno" is not a program

          Do you think I like this shit? Yes fed up.
          1. Normal
            Normal 12 January 2014 01: 48
            +4
            Quote: sawmill
            Before you wave your saber, and you can start a new revolution, can you decide on a program?

            Who is talking about revolution? Only those in power. It is not the desire (and not the opportunity — one will have to answer for theft) to part with the government, not the desire for EVOLUTION, an attempt to preserve the current state of affairs, usurpation of power and a monopoly on the power of a certain circle of people and ultimately leads to revolution.

            A sufficient number of programs exist. There are Glazyev, there are Katasonov, there are Boldyrev, Khazin, Demura, Delyagin. There are in the end Yavlinsky. But a liberal-handed, oligarchic-comprador program is being implemented, and while the people conducting it are in force, we won’t hear or learn about the other programs in the media.
            Quote: sawmill

            Goals?
            Methods?
            Community support?
            Dates?

            Believe me, I also know how to ask questions. Even rhetorical.
            Or maybe you do not know the answers to your questions?
            Quote: sawmill
            Communists?
            Ediros?
            Zhirinovtsy?
            Prokhorov?
            Albats?
            Black Hundreds?
            Patriotic retirees?
            Just the United?
            Grandmothers for Putin?
            Grandfathers for Stalin?
            Bulk against corruption?


            The capitalists?
            Putintsy?
            Mironovtsy?
            Gref?
            Medvedev?
            Golikova?
            Kiselev?
            Nashi?
            Kadyrov-Gattarovs?
            "Statesmen" with real estate in London and Miami?
            Poruzaputina girls?
            Svetiizivanova?
            Serdyukov for defense?

            Is this list better?

            Quote: sawmill
            Until it is ...

            Yes, the fact of the matter is that while there is GDP, there will be nothing and nobody but GDP
            Quote: sawmill
            Do you think I like this shit? Yes fed up.

            So what? Tolerate? Gagging, but eating? Whatever happens? If only there was no war?
            1. sawmill
              sawmill 12 January 2014 08: 33
              +2
              I agree that no desire will change in the changed conditions and leads to an explosive wave of revolution.
              I agree that Putin has cleared the political arena of anything that could compete with him.

              Now about where you are me, or I don’t understand you.
              1. The people you cited as an example do not actively promote your ideas and programs, and do not lead political activity, because you have been taught in many examples what this leads to. On the contrary, many are actively collaborating with the authorities, thereby creating some kind of illusion of the possibility of change.
              2. Putin's regime still has a reinforced concrete, impenetrable support on the "satisfied" I am sure that the elections held now will make him president again. I am sure that the candidacy of the new president, slipped by him, will again be supported by the voters. And so it will be yes, a complete collapse of the economy.
              3. Now about not satisfied with the regime. Their number, of course, is growing, because people have eyes and still have brains. But I would not reevaluate this.
              Everyone is dissatisfied dissatisfied, and most importantly they don’t even have a chance for a coalition, dissatisfied Nemtsov will agree with Zyuganov and have no chance. And the list of persons I have given you, and your list are also those who should
              agree and create a coalition.
              4. Now about my personal attitude to possible changes.
              They ripened and overripe 7-8 years like. He voted for Putin once, for the very first time. I perceive his fortel with a tandem as a personal insult to me and my entire country. The economic, political conditions created by him for the country's existence are suicidal.
              Personally, for myself, I have a certain model of economic and political structure that, in my opinion, will be successful in the context of Russia's development. But I did not observe any party, movement or just a group of people who profess similar views. I don’t see the point in sculpting the party myself; I won’t pull it; the engineer by education and the entrepreneur by the way of earning are not politicians.

              Maybe you have your own party, the party of REASONABLE CHANGE AND NORMAL PEOPLE?
              Have a program?
              Reproaching me with patience and loyalty to the regime, what are you doing yourself?
              While we are competing in who shouts louder on the forum that Putin is shitty and shouting louder does not mean doing business.
              1. Normal
                Normal 12 January 2014 09: 07
                +4
                Quote: sawmill
                I agree that no desire will change in the changed conditions and leads to an explosive wave of revolution.
                I agree that Putin has cleared the political arena of anything that could compete with him.

                Now about where you are me, or I don’t understand you.

                1 ....
                2 ....
                3 ....
                4 ....


                In general, I agree. There are some, but not significant discrepancies.

                Quote: sawmill
                Maybe you have your own party, the party of REASONABLE CHANGE AND NORMAL PEOPLE?


                These questions have been asked to me on the forum repeatedly.
                I do not have a party and do not see the need for its creation. Parties and movements and as more than enough.

                Quote: sawmill
                Have a program?


                The general outlines of what and how to do it were set out by my like-minded people and even opponents as many times.
                On the other hand, for more than 13 years of Putin’s reign, we have never received from him a coherent and consistent development program for Russia. And nothing. Edit
                Moreover, even in the west, where politicians seem to be obliged to have a certain program precisely for the lack thereof, they criticize ... Angela Merkel.

                Quote: sawmill
                Reproaching me with patience and loyalty to the regime, what are you doing yourself?


                I apologize if I was too harsh.
                What I do is also known. I’m probably the only one of the registered VO visitors who took part in street protests and opposition rallies and I don’t hide it (for which I constantly kick pro-government at the forum).
                I consider street protest necessary and almost the only way to convey to the authorities the opinion of at least part of the population.
                It is necessary to fight for their rights and to defend their interests. To be silent and to endure is silly.

                Quote: sawmill
                While we are competing in who shouts louder on the forum that Putin is shitty and shouting louder does not mean doing business.


                There is an assertion that "The word is already deed" It is not for nothing that the Kremlinites are trying in every possible way to silence those who do not support them and themselves prefer not to disclose their goals, intentions and actions.

                Once again, please forgive me if I touched something. smile hi
                1. sawmill
                  sawmill 12 January 2014 09: 31
                  +2
                  He also attended meetings, and came to the swamp specially from the Krasnoyarsk Territory.
                  Then he listened to hundreds of voices as now Putin will have to change, and only a few cues that Putin will not wait much and tighten the nut a couple more turns.
                  A program is needed, an understandable, realistic program for arranging the country.
                  And a clear leader.
                  That's why people have porridge in their heads, on the neighboring branches such nonsense. The hair is moving.
                  1. John_Wood
                    John_Wood 12 January 2014 14: 31
                    +5
                    Quote: sawmill
                    and only a few replicas that Putin will not wait much and tighten the nut a couple more turns.

                    The thread will be broken sooner or later and AMBA will be for him ...
        2. sawmill
          sawmill 12 January 2014 01: 06
          -1
          Yes, and about working less.
          Remember the MMM contributors the crowds ran for freebies, herds.
          And in the same crowds they appealed to the state, like they deceived us where the government was looking.

          So, the number of such workers here did not grow in size.
          And there is also a bunch of our fellow citizens who have degraded to the level of cattle.
          And there are parasites officials

          By see who do our media consider the elite?
          Are the deputies our elite?
          Stars at home-2?

          And you want to say that these people know how and love to work?

          And how many are there?
          Yes, there are a lot of them.
          And they need Gaster, so as not to depend on those who have not yet come to terms with this.
        3. John_Wood
          John_Wood 12 January 2014 14: 28
          +4
          Quote: Normal
          Old demagoguery. We want to work, but they tell us; you are loafers and lazy people - you don’t want to work for pennies (and gain Gaster) We say that production closes, education and health care are destroyed, and we are told that we are worthless and ridiculous - we can’t organize our business

          Zombie. They change the identity of the people.
      3. Karabin
        Karabin 11 January 2014 23: 33
        +3
        Quote: sawmill
        Will we stir up one more thing?
        Another rake approach?

        Offer to stay on
        Putin feudalism
        1. sawmill
          sawmill 12 January 2014 00: 41
          +1
          No, I do not propose.
          I just don’t know what to change it for.
          I think that in society there are several models of a possible device.
          And not just one thing in common?

          And an uncompromising squabble between the carriers of these ideas.
          In such circumstances, nothing worthwhile usually fails.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 11 January 2014 22: 51
      +4
      Quote: Oskar
      I’ll add from myself: let the new state disappear and arise (through our efforts) - just and humane!

      Yes, just so these nonhumans will not give. And the people we drank and chopped. They did everything wisely. It will be hard for us to get out of this shit!
      1. Normal
        Normal 12 January 2014 00: 10
        +5
        Quote: nycsson
        It will be hard for us to get out of this shit!


        And who promised it would be easy? Of course it will be difficult, and not everyone will be chosen because this feudal lawlessness will not end in the world.
        But all one will have to get out, even if we don't want to; the fact is that the processes taking place in society and the economy do not depend on us (and even to a large extent on the rulers) by and large. And as you know, "the process is life, the result is death"
        No matter how much we would like stability and a quiet life, but for the rest of our life these very stability and tranquility are never enough, NEVER.
        It was not for nothing that Mao said that each generation should have its own war.
        Look at our Parents, and even more so at our Grandfathers and Grandmothers - they had a good time. We, in comparison with them, have slipped. So we are still ahead
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 12 January 2014 23: 48
          +2
          Quote: Normal
          And who promised it would be easy?

          This is a hedgehog in the forest.
          Quote: Normal
          Of course it will be difficult, and not everyone will be chosen because this feudal lawlessness will not end in the world.

          I completely agree. People are slowly starting to move away from anesthesia ..... Plus, do not forget about external puppeteers .....
          Quote: Normal
          So we are still ahead

          Still ahead .... hi Break through ..... hi And put them all on the count! am
          1. Normal
            Normal 13 January 2014 00: 07
            +2
            Quote: nycsson
            And put them all on the count!


            yes
    3. s1н7т
      s1н7т 12 January 2014 12: 11
      +4
      I respect comrade. Alferov, however. And a just and humane state, where "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work" - this is only socialism, our philosophers have not invented anything else. I am for".
  22. jjj
    jjj 11 January 2014 20: 12
    +7
    People are surprised - a little party gives ...
    Our party is not ....deleted by moderator Apolloto give everyone
  23. sergey261180
    sergey261180 11 January 2014 20: 30
    +5
    Mishanya is a rare sneak however! Combines incongruous. On TV, he covers the entire vertical without hesitation in expressions (
    economic recession that began in Russia before the crisis. It is systematically triggered by macroeconomic policies, which I would call completely degenerativesneaky and vile and it has been going on since 1991
    ) and at the same time manages to be in the EP, the Fronts and Rosneft. With such talent and still free!
  24. Barakuda
    Barakuda 11 January 2014 20: 47
    -2
    Quote: Oskar
    “If a citizen is forced to pay for education and medical services, to accumulate a pension from his own funds, to pay housing and utilities in full at the market price, then why do I need such a state ?! Why should I still pay taxes and maintain a crazy army of officials? he always said at all levels that health care, education and science should be provided from the budget. If the state puts this concern on us, let it disappear, it will be much easier for us! "
    Nobel laureate J. Alferov
    I’ll add from myself: let the new state disappear and arise (through our efforts) - just and humane!

    Alferov is an impeccably semiconductor king of the USSR and not only. But he and you forget that he studied in Minsk and St. Petersburg, traveled on 21-24 Volga, had a "Stalin-era" apartment and rations from the back door, and not a bad dacha, not to mention vouchers to the best sanatoriums in the country. Lenin Prize .. And that all the studies were on the ball and then the same ... Was he billed for the arrangement of the laboratories, or were the assistants forced to pay the salary? Or to pay for Installations at factories? Everything was at the expense of the state.
    I do not beg his talent.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 11 January 2014 21: 59
      +5
      Alferov started working. And today all kinds of scum and thieves go to Bentley and Rolls-Royce, live in palaces, is that better?
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 12 January 2014 15: 35
      +2
      Quote: Barracuda
      Alferov flawlessly semiconductor king of the USSR and not only. But he and you forget

      Neither he nor we forget, we all lived like that in the Union - from each according to his ability, to each according to his work. And ordinary miners from Berezovsky rested in Karlovy Vary, and the ordinary plumber ZHEKa firmly knew that he would be guaranteed to have housing, that his children would receive one of the best education in the world, and who wanted to go to the Volga, but they didn’t have enough brains, and steal for the most part it was not accepted, he earned it with his hands in the North. Do not touch the USSR!
  25. Altona
    Altona 11 January 2014 21: 31
    +2
    Quote: SPACE
    This is called the free market and private enterprise, and what does it mean we give everything back, who gives it back, Putin? Do you think Putin should be engaged in the production of spoons and teapots, etc.? Don't you think that he has tasks and more important? And then why are people like you? Which only can smartly teach everyone how to do everything right and do it better.

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    Did I put something on Putin? In my opinion, I clearly explained what I and others need ... The Government and Mr. Medvedev should be engaged in industry with us ... I even explained which bank I need, I also need something else, venture legislation, for example, a couple of good technology parks , a dozen technical universities ... If you explain something cleverly ... If you are trying to explain something on your fingers, this does not mean that the Government is asked for a milling machine or a band saw ...
  26. bddrus
    bddrus 11 January 2014 21: 31
    +1
    tired of the kitchen indignation of specialists in economics and politics
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 11 January 2014 21: 49
      0
      In the Kremlin, the "toilet" specialist sits - his snot reels on our ears and nothing, okay?
      1. John_Wood
        John_Wood 12 January 2014 14: 35
        +2
        Noodles, you wanted to say?
  27. Altona
    Altona 11 January 2014 21: 43
    -1
    Quote: ele1285
    What you really don’t understand is why production facilities are falling apart.

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    No ... I just as usual put theses into the forum ... Information for consideration ...)))
  28. Warrawar
    Warrawar 11 January 2014 21: 47
    -2
    RF is heading for collapse. Breaking in the direction of the cliff, like a flock of demon-possessed pigs from the Gospel parable.
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 11 January 2014 22: 11
      +1
      Quote: Warrawar
      RF is heading for collapse. Breaking in the direction of the cliff, like a flock of demon-possessed pigs from the Gospel parable.

      No! For Russia, this is a transition period, but the United States yes. The US is heading for collapse, and moreover, voluntarily. Unlike the United States, Russia does not have a government debt of $ 17 trillion (115% of the state’s GDP, two trillion more than the US income itself), so Russia will get out of this situation, but the United States, because of its hegemony and its thirst for such the pace will cease to exist as one state.
      Note: Russia will never fall! She will stand at all times. And how filthy these times were, Russia will stand.
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 11 January 2014 22: 38
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        Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
        Unlike the United States, Russia does not have a public debt of $ 17 trillion (115% of the state’s GDP, two trillion more than the US income itself)

        You see, the USA has no debts at all. They owe it to themselves. At one point, they will announce that they forgive everyone - whom they owe. And they will launch a new currency (for example, Americano or American real). But everyone else has debts, that is, in dollars. And you still need to buy dollars for real goods, and not just print them in a print shop.

        Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
        The US is heading for collapse

        They don’t go anywhere ... For reference - the USA collected 100 F-35 fighters in a year and sold 650 Boeings. And the Russian Federation sold only 24 Superjets. Well, and who will come to a crash faster?
        1. GREAT RUSSIA
          GREAT RUSSIA 11 January 2014 23: 03
          +1
          If you studied the history of nations, then you must understand that the dominance and dominance of all powerful powers is coming to an end. And no 2 oceans will save the United States from this, either Russia or China will be their end, or perhaps they will put an end to its dominance. Please, facts about 100 F-35 fighters, and 24 superjets in the studio.
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 12 January 2014 07: 59
            +2
            Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
            If you studied the history of nations, then you must understand that the dominion and dominance of all powerful powers is coming to an end.

            Of course. Each state, in one form or another, has certain life cycles. Namely - youth / passionarism, the golden age, death.
            The USA is a very young country that is just at the beginning of its journey. Whereas the "old woman" Europe is living out its last days. Her best times are far behind. Russia is in about the same condition as Europe.

            Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
            . And please, the facts about 100 F-35 fighters, and 24 superjets in the studio.

            In such cases, it is usually advised to use Google. Well, I'm not proud:

            The Lockheed Martin Company (Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company) at its aircraft factory in Fort Worth (Texas) completed the production of the 100 Fighter X-NUMX-generation F-5 "Lightning II"
            http://vpk.name/news/102394_v_ssha_vyipushen_100i_istrebitel_f35.html
            http://vpk-news.ru/news/14323
            Collecting line F-35:


            Boeing Corporation set a record for the company in 2013, thanks to the fact that it produced 648 commercial aircraft in a year. The company's order book also set a record by submitting 5080 orders at the end of 2013.
            http://offshore.su/blog/offshore_news/boeing-soobshhila-o-rekordnom-urovne-proda

            zh-v-2013-godu.html
            1. GREAT RUSSIA
              GREAT RUSSIA 12 January 2014 11: 28
              +1
              Quote: Warrawar
              Whereas the "old woman" Europe is living out its last days. Her best times are far behind. Russia is in about the same condition as Europe.

              There is one peculiarity: from all European countries only Russia has revived several times, and each time it has become stronger, this is such a cycle. I know what you say, I agree, Germany, France, England have also revived.
              Russia is now experiencing another such cycle. If according to your schedule:
              Quote: Warrawar
              Namely - youth / passionarism, the golden age, death.
              look at this graph, why is India, China, Japan, Korea still existing and even developing, and after all, the history of each of these states has at least 3 years? Russia is no exception.
              Here is another interesting fact. Remember the Persian Empire of the Achaemenid dynasty. This power has existed for at least 400 years and was destroyed by Alexander the Great. So why the United States will not be able to repeat the same fate. See for yourself, the US army is contract-hired like the Persians, huge territories, hegemony and powerful enemies in the form of Russia and China, I would also note some South American states, but I mean superpowers. Of course, I do not say that we will conquer America, but we can, together with China, drive it into the framework of our continent.
              1. Warrawar
                Warrawar 12 January 2014 12: 10
                -5
                Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                There is one feature here, of all the countries of Europe, only Russia has revived several times

                Russia has run out of safety margin for subsequent revivals. The third decay cycle is now drawing to a close. The collapse of Russia began with the collapse of the empire.
                The USSR, at the peak of its power, was weaker and less territorially than the Russian Empire. Then the USSR collapsed, due to its non-viability, and the Russian Federation appeared. The Russian Federation, in turn, is smaller and weaker than the USSR and significantly weaker and significantly smaller than the Russian Empire. RF, most likely, awaits the fate of the USSR.
                1. GREAT RUSSIA
                  GREAT RUSSIA 12 January 2014 12: 18
                  +3
                  Was the USSR weaker in power than the Russian Empire? The population of the USSR was 290 million, which means 2 times the population of the Russian Empire.
                  An army of 4 million people, 65 tanks, 000 nuclear warheads, 16 aircraft, more than 000 helicopters. Is this weaker than the Russian Empire? Russia has time to gain power, its current state resembles the state of the USSR in the 7s.
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                  3. Warrawar
                    Warrawar 12 January 2014 13: 09
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                    Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                    The population of the USSR was 290 million, which means 2 times the population of the Russian Empire.

                    The population of the Empire was 170 million people. 2 times difference does not work. If we take in relation to the absolute population of the earth, then RI was more.
                    Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                    An army of 4 million people, 65 tanks, 000 nuclear warheads, 16 aircraft, more than 000 helicopters.

                    Why measure with modern standards? If you follow this logic, then the Estonian army is stronger than the troops of Alexander the Great. The Macedonian did not have a single tank, but Estonia had as many as two!
                    The Russian state was advancing, conquering new lands, smashing the great armies. While the Soviet peasant army completely lost the war in Finland, heaped up the corpses of the Germans and pacified the Pyrrhic victory (from which they are now trying to make a new religion) and washed his face with blood in Afghanistan. That's probably all the achievements of the USSR in the military field.


                    Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                    Russia has time to gain power, its current state resembles the state of the USSR in the 30s.

                    Rather, the USSR, the end of the 80s.
                    1. GREAT RUSSIA
                      GREAT RUSSIA 12 January 2014 13: 31
                      +3
                      Quote: Warrawar
                      The population of the Empire was 170 million people. 2 times difference does not work. If we take in relation to the absolute population of the earth, then RI was more.

                      How did this population of the pro-Russian empire be 170 million, if the population of the USSR in 1941 was 143 million? You can subtract from this of course the departure of Finland and Poland and the Stalinist repressions.
                      Quote: Warrawar
                      Why measure with modern standards?

                      None of these are modern standards, by the end of World War I, all the participating states were armed with tanks and aircraft. Although primary models.
                      Quote: Warrawar
                      The Russian state was advancing, conquering new lands, smashing the great armies. While the Soviet peasant army completely lost the war in Finland, heaped up the corpses of the Germans and pacified the Pyrrhic victory (from which they are now trying to make a new religion) and washed his face with blood in Afghanistan. That's probably all the achievements of the USSR in the military field.

                      in your opinion the capture of the Caucasus was an easy victory? This is the same Pyrrhic victory. If the capture of the Khiva Khanate is a great victory, then I don't know. And the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War, when as many as three naval squadrons were defeated. The defeat in the Crimean War, despite the successful victories in the Caucasus and the White Sea, the Russian Empire lost the war, the losses were enormous. Although for the "anti-Russian" coalition it was also a Pyrrhic victory. And why did you forget the defeat of the 1st Kwantung Army at the end of World War II war, then the territories of Northern China with a size of 1 million square kilometers were recaptured from Japan in two weeks. And one should not assume that the Great Patriotic War could have been won in another way, then the 3 millionth army of the Wehrmacht was opposed against the red army, with 5 years of experience It was not a rabble of soldiers, it was a professional army, and the victory with such terrible sacrifices is quite understandable. In Afghanistan, not only the Taliban and the Majahideen opposed the Soviet army, they were helped by NATO, Pakistan and the United States, providing both air defense systems, anti-tank weapons and the most modern technology, the Talibs and Majahideen were trained by Western military specialists, it was no longer a militia, but a real professional "those new "army. The great victory of the Russian Empire was the victory over Napoleon, and the victory over the 200 army of the Ottoman Turks both during the time of Catherine II and during the liberation of the Balkan Peninsula from the Turkish yoke.
                      1. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 12 January 2014 13: 57
                        -3
                        Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                        By the end of World War I, all the participating states were armed with tanks and aircraft. At least, primary models.

                        Yeah, type MS-1.
                        Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                        do you think the capture of the Caucasus was an easy victory? This is the same Pyrrhic victory

                        The empire was growing and this is a fact. the USSR only degraded and this is also a fact.
                      2. GREAT RUSSIA
                        GREAT RUSSIA 12 January 2014 14: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: Warrawar
                        The empire was growing and this is a fact. the USSR only degraded and this is also a fact.

                        Degraded means this is probably because the USSR had more than 10 enterprises of heavy industry, the same in light industry.
                        Want a comparison: the whole lived. Fund of the Russian Empire was 140 million square meters. meters. in the USSR they built so much in a year. Is it a degradation?
                        The loss of Finland and Poland is not a tragedy for the USSR. And in the Russian Empire, despite all the acquisitions, the Kuriles, southern Sakhalin and Alaska were lost. There was a good growth of territories. There were acquisitions, there were losses. Both empires were very powerful, but this is a fact, but The collapse of the USSR was due to economic and political reasons. The collapse of the USSR was inevitable. But this does not mean that the USSR was inferior in power to the Russian Empire, in terms of population for 1989, 290 million people lived in the USSR, and this means that industrial The USSR surpassed the Russian Empire in the military and economic potential. These 290 million are the military reserve, more precisely 100 million of them. This is a huge human resource potential (workers, builders, etc.), it is also a huge scientific potential (academics, scientists). This is already a huge advantage over 170 million.
                      3. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 12 January 2014 14: 48
                        -1
                        Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                        The loss of Finland and Poland is not a tragedy for the USSR. And in the Russian Empire, despite all the gains, the Kuril Islands, southern Sakhalin and Alaska were lost.

                        No need to take good from someone else's pocket. The empire itself conquered territories and disposed of them at its discretion. the USSR did not conquer anything, but squandered what did not belong to it.
                        Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                        These 290 million are a military reserve, more precisely 100 million of them. This is a huge human resource potential (workers, builders, etc.), it is also a huge scientific potential (academics, scientists). This is already a huge advantage over 170 million.

                        Well, where is this "potential"? The USSR was so pathetic and insignificant that it was dismissed overnight, with a pen stroke. And not who even regretted it.
                        I also found a "great" state, for the destruction of which it did not take more than a single shot. It was enough to entice the 290 millionth "potential" with jeans and chewing gum. This is the price of this parasitic formation - the Wrigley gum wrapper. According to merit and honor.
                      4. GREAT RUSSIA
                        GREAT RUSSIA 12 January 2014 15: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: Warrawar
                        Well, where is this "potential"? The USSR was so pathetic and insignificant that it was dismissed overnight, with a pen stroke. And not who even regretted it.

                        Well, I didn’t want to write this, but I have to.
                        In the Soviet Union there was a state housing program, according to which residential meters of apartments were distributed in accordance with the established order of the queue for free, while the apartments remained the property of the state. The construction of a series of model houses was carried out by state construction trusts at enterprises or organizations for their workers.

                        Since 1920 there were Housing and Construction Cooperatives (HBC), which united citizens for the construction of housing, such apartments were called "cooperative". In 1937 they were liquidated as a manifestation of private property. But in 1958, housing cooperatives were again allowed.

                        In 1971, at the initiative of Komsomol, a state youth housing program for the youth housing complex (MZHK) was created.

                        In the tenth five-year period from 1976 to 1980, 527,3 million square meters were commissioned in the USSR. housing, it is more than 10 million apartments. In 1985, about 2 million apartments were built, in 1987, 2265 thousand apartments.

                        In the late 1980s, for a three-room apartment of 4 people in a 16-storey panel house, Series II-60, with an internal exchange rate of $ 1, the dollar was 90 kopecks and the average income was 200 rubles per person, monthly utilities were 1 kilowatt of electricity 90 kopecks, the total cost of payment for an apartment was 15 rubles per month. Servicing the state housing stock of the USSR, territorial state administrations were engaged in Housing and maintenance offices, for short (ZhEK, ZhEU, REP, REU).
                        In 1973, in the USSR, expenditures from the state budget (without capital investments) for higher educational institutions amounted to 2,97 billion rubles, for technical schools, colleges and schools for the training of secondary qualifications - 1,79 billion rubles, for vocational education - 2,09, 1975 billion rubles. In 856, there were 65 universities in the USSR (including 4,9 universities), in which more than 10 million students studied. By the number of students per XNUMX thousand people, the USSR population significantly exceeded such countries as Great Britain, the Federal Republic of Germany, France, Japan and others.

                        As of January 1, 1976, there were 6272 vocational schools in the USSR, in which 3,08 million students were enrolled.

                        At the beginning of the 1975-1976 academic year, 167 thousand comprehensive schools operated in the USSR, in which 48,8 million people were studying. According to the data for 1975, the training of teachers and educators was carried out in 65 universities, 200 pedagogical institutes and 404 pedagogical schools.
                      5. GREAT RUSSIA
                        GREAT RUSSIA 12 January 2014 16: 06
                        +1
                        Here is a sequel:
                        The main achievement of the Soviet era in the 20s was the electrification of the whole country, the elimination of illiteracy, and overcoming the consequences of the Civil War - such as homelessness. Recreation camp “Artek” opens in Crimea. Education and medical services became free for all Soviet citizens.
                        The 30s were the beginning of the time of great construction projects. Units were built at the Dnieper Hydroelectric Station, and the Belomorsko-Baltic Canal was built in record time. The course towards industrialization began to be consistently carried out.
                        The next decade was marked by a victory over fascism and the beginning of the country's reconstruction. The best works of the so-called Stalinist Empire style began to be built: new stations of the Moscow metro, “7 Sisters” - high-rise buildings in different parts of the capital. At the same time, the Cold War begins and an arms race is unfolding between the USSR and Western countries, as a result of which the best models of military equipment are being created.
                        The 50s. The main achievement of the USSR of the 50s was the debunking of the personality cult and the rehabilitation of illegally repressed people. In 1953, the Soviet Union announced the successful testing of a hydrogen bomb. In 1957, the atomic icebreaker Lenin was launched. From 1954 to 1960, a set of measures was taken to develop the virgin lands of Kazakhstan, the Volga region, the Urals, Siberia, and the Far East. In these years, Soviet scientists receive several Nobel Prizes - for the first time since 1908. The glory of Russian ballet is booming around the world. Tours of the Bolshoi Theater are becoming a significant event in world cultural life. In a brief period of "thaw," a bright, beautiful movie is shot. In 1958, Mikhail Kalatozov's film “Cranes Are Flying” receives the Golden Palm Branch of the Cannes Film Festival. Russian literature also finds international recognition - in the same 1958, the Nobel Prize in literature was awarded to Boris Pasternak for the novel "Doctor Zhivago", which was not published in the USSR either before or after.
                        The 60s showed that the Soviet Union was the first space technology in the world, they began with Gagarin’s flight and remained in history as the “space decade”. The first manned flight into space, the first spacewalk, the creation of the latest space technology - ships and rocket launchers - news No. 1 and the indisputable, genuine achievement of the Soviet era.
                        The sixties are the years of world recognition of Soviet culture. In 1965, Mikhail Sholokhov received the Nobel Prize in literature “For the artistic power and integrity of the epic about the Don Cossacks at a turning point in Russia”. Soviet musicians gather concert halls around the world - the violinist David Oistrakh only receives many titles and awards in the 60s, becomes a corresponding member of the Academy of Arts in Berlin, an honorary member of the National Academy of Santa Cecilia in Rome, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in Boston, the Swedish Academy of Music in Stockholm, the Beethoven Society, the Society of Friends of Music in Vienna, Honorary Professor of the Budapest Conservatory, Honorary Doctor of Music at Cambridge University, Knight of the Order of the Leo of Finland, Order of Leopold II. On the opera and ballet stages, the names of Elena Obraztsova, Irina Arkhipova, Galina Vishnevskaya, Tamara Sinyavskaya, Maya Plisetskaya, Ekaterina Maximova and Vladimir Vasiliev, Rudolf Nureyev, Mikhail Baryshnikov, Natalya Makarova are booming. The film "Ivan childhood" by Andrei Tarkovsky receives the "Golden Lion" at the Venice Film Festival.
                        The seventies, among other things, became the triumph of Soviet hockey.
                        The eighties begin with the Olympics in Moscow. The 1981 Oscar receives Moscow Doesn't Believe in Tears, a film that Ronald Reagan watched 8 times before meeting with Mikhail Gorbachev, trying to "understand the mysterious Russian soul."
                      6. GREAT RUSSIA
                        GREAT RUSSIA 12 January 2014 17: 05
                        +1
                        Here is the rest of the sequel.
                        The following conclusions about the achievement of the USSR.
                        1. Electrification of the country in the 20s.
                        2.Construction, industrialization, collectivization in the 30s.
                        3. A great victory, albeit a terrible price in 1941-1945.
                        During the Great Patriotic War there were the following achievements:
                        1.Tank T-34. This tank is recognized by the entire world community as the best medium tank of the second world war. And no one succeeds in silencing this outstanding achievement of the Soviet military-industrial complex.
                        2. Tank HF. Even the Germans themselves recognized him as the best heavy tank of the first half of the Second World War and which the Germans could not knock out of one of their anti-tank guns. They equated their chances in heavy tanks only with the release of their heavy tanks of the Tiger and Panther series.
                        3. Tank IS-2. The best heavy tank of the end of the second world war, with which even the fascist "Tigers" of all modifications could not compete. Reluctantly, this fact is recognized by most foreign experts.
                        4. Fighter Yak-3. The best light fighter of World War II, according to many foreign experts. In terms of its tactical and technical qualities, it exceeded any fighters of that time. These are achievements in the military-industrial complex.
                        Also the achievement of the 40s was the achievement of the pre-war period in just 5 years. In the USSR, the card system was canceled as the first of all the countries participating in the Second World War.
                        4. Achievements of the 50s: creation of the first hydrogen bomb. Launching of the first atomic icebreaker "Lenin".
                        5.60-е. Achievements of the USSR in space, the first artificial satellite, the first flight of man, as well as animals (Belka and Strelka, Laika). The landing of the first lunar rover and the first photographs of the flip side of the moon.
                        6. In the seventies, the USSR first landed its self-propelled guns on Venus and Mars, which were called respectively (Venus, Mars).
                        7.80-The Army reached its peak. 4 million people, 65 tanks, 000 aircraft, more than 7 helicopters, 000 nuclear warheads.
                        The last achievement of the USSR was the flight of the Buran spacecraft and its return.
                      7. GREAT RUSSIA
                        GREAT RUSSIA 12 January 2014 17: 13
                        +1
                        In addition, the achievement of the USSR can be considered: the first nuclear power plant, the most famous, efficient Kalashnikov assault rifle in the world, named after this Great Designer, who recently passed away Eternal memory! It should also be noted that by the number of issued copies, the Kalashnikov assault rifle surpasses all the assault rifles of the world!
                        The USSR was such a great country that it’s been robbing its heritage for 20 years and can’t rob it. So tell your garbage about the USSR, but I’ll say: the USSR is the greatest country in human history.
        2. s1н7т
          s1н7т 12 January 2014 23: 07
          0
          "natural", that is ordinary?
          1. GREAT RUSSIA
            GREAT RUSSIA 13 January 2014 16: 33
            0
            Quote: c1n7
            "natural", that is ordinary?

            In what sense?
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 11 January 2014 23: 15
    +2
    The main enemy of Russia is the United States. Your words about Russia and the "power" of dollars confirm this. Good night...
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 11 January 2014 23: 21
      0
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      The main enemy of Russia is the United States. Your words about Russia and the "power" of dollars confirm this. Good night...

      Good night to you too, Comrade tomorrow. hi
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 11 January 2014 23: 22
    +1
    Quote: RF is heading for collapse.

    Remember how to speak Russian correctly - a changeling ... нmaybe a former pioneer...And in general scum ...Don't say that about Russia louse under .... magnifying glass. So many nits in the world ...
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 12 January 2014 08: 03
      -3
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      Remember how to speak Russian correctly - a shifter ... probably a former pioneer

      I speak Russian correctly.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 11 January 2014 22: 11
    +5
    Quote: Warrawar
    RF is heading for collapse. Breaking in the direction of the cliff, like a flock of demon-possessed pigs from the Gospel parable.

    Sorry, Sorry, I hope you regretted the Russian Federation during your lifetime (Write in your memoirs in advance).
    Russia will never fall !!! How many demons you have already, somehow fail. Fuck off ALL !!! And in full! Or to remind?
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 11 January 2014 22: 43
      -5
      Quote: Barracuda
      Russia will never fall !!! How many demons you have already, somehow fail. Fuck off ALL !!! And in full! Or to remind?

      Over the past 100 years, Russia (although Russia is no longer 100 years old - the USSR and the Russian Federation is not Russia) has only done what it raked. And soon, in general, the shaking of the Russian Federation by national republics will begin. Well, for the heap and the United States with the EU harnessed, of course, on the side of the nationals, which were restrained by Great Russian imperialism. Then the fun will begin.
    2. SunSanBel2003
      SunSanBel2003 12 January 2014 15: 13
      +3
      "How many of you have already had demons, somehow it does not work out. They rejected EVERYTHING !!! And to the fullest!" Eh, boy, you say everything correctly - they were shoveling away from us, and to the fullest. Only before has there never been such a defeat of education and science, without which no military power in the modern world is possible. And there was no such "death" of Russians in peacetime, and not only in the 90s, but also in the fattest 2000s. The Romans, while there was bread and circuses, too, probably thought that Rome "will never fall." It is necessary to take up the mind, to start thinking about what, and not to be comforted by spells.
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 11 January 2014 22: 25
    +1
    Quote: Altona
    Quote: ele1285
    What you really don’t understand is why production facilities are falling apart.

    -----------------------
    No ... I just as usual put theses into the forum ... Information for consideration ...)))


    I'm talking about Skolkovo .. no .. Better pay attention to Novosibirsk, or to Omsk, Yes, even to Izhevsk and Kovrov. Where are we building spaceports? SEEING IS NOT JUST SO. I’m not writing about any decent research institutes anymore ..
  • Barakuda
    Barakuda 11 January 2014 22: 35
    +3
    Quote: Oskar
    Alferov started working. And today all kinds of scum and thieves go to Bentley and Rolls-Royce, live in palaces, is that better?

    Yes EARNED! But traders and businessmen and lawyers collect the best cream, regardless of patents and inventions. This is both Popova and Tesla. I am embarrassed to ask directly - And who invented TELEC?
    1. jjj
      jjj 11 January 2014 23: 32
      +1
      One is buried in Arkhangelsk, the other in the USA
  • Sid.74
    Sid.74 11 January 2014 22: 51
    0
    KM.RU experts sum up the 2013 of the year.
    And this can put an end.
  • Magadan
    Magadan 12 January 2014 02: 43
    0
    That is why I am for the Monarchy. You can buy a president (even though I don’t regard Putin as a sold one). The monarch does not make sense to sell, because he then sells his heir children with the country.
    1. John_Wood
      John_Wood 12 January 2014 15: 12
      +2
      The main thing is that the monarch does not give birth to degenerates, otherwise ....
  • valokordin
    valokordin 12 January 2014 05: 43
    +2
    The second is the economic recession that began in Russia before the crisis. It is systematically caused by macroeconomic policies, which I would call completely degenerative, vile and vile, and it stretches from 1991 year. Within its framework, the only successful action was the default of 1998 of the year, and even that was forced. Everything went to the detriment of the Russian economy!
    We see the result of the policies of the prime minister and the president.
  • Strashila
    Strashila 12 January 2014 07: 49
    +1
    The history in our country of those who are at the helm has never been taught, moreover, maybe they haven’t even read ... everything goes in a circle ... the situation of the late 20s and early 30s of the last century ... nothing ... the industry is simply destroyed.
    A lot of shouting about some kind of investment ... but who will invest in the country from which tens of billions of dollars are flowing ... not including official investments in other countries for the same amount ???? right no one !!!! We keep the West ... he was choked with stolen money from Russia ... he no longer knows where to put it and finds only one use of WAR.
    The rulers read the works of Comrade Stalin and in them you will find all the answers on the development of the State.
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  • santush
    santush 12 January 2014 10: 31
    +4
    Only together can one oppose the West!
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 12 January 2014 10: 51
    +1
    Quote: sledgehammer102
    So that they would not shout, but Skolkovo really moved our nanotechnology forward, although it is a monument to I-diotisma DAM after his trip to Silicon Valley.
    Oh, la! Skolkovo! This poop toy LADY. The "super-advanced" phone of their development has already been shown twice, they will be made in China, and thrown into the trash heap in Russia. Let's support a Chinese manufacturer! And here the road was built using nano-technology. Previously, there was simple Soviet asphalt, so instead of renewing it, but repairing it, they drove a terrible machine that ground it into nanoparticles, sprinkled it with something "nano" on top. As a result, the road became impassable! Yes, I forgot, 18 million rubles were stolen on eight kilometers of the road. Maybe for someone this amount is also nano, but I think that within the whole country, such things are "mega".
  • SunSanBel2003
    SunSanBel2003 12 January 2014 11: 36
    +1
    Yes, I feel like some people will chew crap about a naughty DAM with his government until everything crashes completely - that's the calculation of pro-power propagandons like Leontyev
  • SunSanBel2003
    SunSanBel2003 12 January 2014 12: 48
    +4
    I wonder what is in the brain of the one who put a minus to my previous post? Really really believes that Putin, who replaced three governments since 2000 (Kasyanov, Fradkov, Zubkov), then put Medvedev to hold the throne for 4 years (Putin himself, by the way, was also not on the sidelines at that time - he worked as the chairman of the government, just under him in 2010, the government on a new large-scale privatization was adopted, his signature is), then, having taken back his throne from the LADY, cannot do anything with the "disobedient" government? The layout is like two fingers ... one says the right words and quietly authorizes what the other is doing.
    And about our positive "progress in the international arena" we also need to see how the whole thing will end - it's not like boiling potatoes in uniforms, where the result is immediately visible. It was just that at that time there was no agreement in the ranks of NATO and within the United States whether it was time to bomb Syria or not. And then the idea came to them: well, now we will deprive Assad of chemical weapons with the hands of Russia (so that later it would be easier to bend him) and we will promote it as if this is Putin's great achievement in the international arena - otherwise he has bad business with the Russian economy ( it is not for nothing that for 13 years he has been following all our recipes, together with the Chubais, Kudrins and others, without fail, and now he has dragged his own into the WTO), you look the Russian people will wake up and get stuck.
  • Tetros
    Tetros 12 January 2014 12: 52
    -2
    As correctly noted, competing in the production of spoons with the Chinese is a disastrous business. We attract immigrants because we no longer have enough human resources. And we are still waiting for the demographic pit 1991-2000. Regarding the Abramovichs and others, their billions are candy wrappers, because when a dollar monopoly is covered with a copper basin, everything that is not a plant / factory / mine will become, if not garbage, then a very inexpensive thing, which means they still have an incentive to save and develop. We cannot liquidate our capitalists under capitalism — Western and Asian capitalists will take their place, which is much worse for us because these people even yearn for Russia (hello Berezovsky). And here those who were more than 18 years old in 1991 are to blame. Why now drive it?

    Now we are sitting straight and waiting for the United States to bend in theory should not be long.
    1. SunSanBel2003
      SunSanBel2003 12 January 2014 14: 16
      +4
      "We attract immigrants because we no longer have enough human resources. And we are still waiting for the demographic pit of 1991-2000" - all this is complete crap and Gaidarism, which has been repeated for 13 years by our "peacemaker", who has the main, with the economy - which actually determines the strength of the state, full n ... c. Do we import Tajik engineers and Uzbek milling machines? Who is missing? Where is it missing? At the ruined aviation industry? The vaunted Superjet is 70% of European components, supposedly a Russian smartphone (Chemezov's iotophone) is assembled in Singapore on a Chinese element base.
      "... their place will be taken by Western and Asian capitalists, which is much worse for us ..." - but this is for sure, and this is precisely where we are sliding faster and faster. It was not for nothing that Putin appointed the appraiser as the Minister of the Far East.
    2. John_Wood
      John_Wood 12 January 2014 14: 47
      +2
      The most recent thing is to sit and wait for something. Maybe we’ll wait for the humanoids from Aldebaran: they will arrive and help everyone?
  • John_Wood
    John_Wood 12 January 2014 14: 44
    +2
    I would call our politicians degenerate and vile and that is to say the least!
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 12 January 2014 16: 51
      +4
      Quote: John_Wood
      I would call our politicians degenerate and vile

      Oh no - they are smart, and there is no more vileness in them than in everyone else.
      They are just not ours.
  • varov14
    varov14 12 January 2014 14: 48
    +3
    "It is completely aimed at completely exterminating domestic production and bribing the population, subsidizing them to buy imports at the expense of the consumption of natural rent. This is the greatest disgrace that can exist at all." ----- It's too long a road to understand the problem. Having taken, in fact, a lively part in the collapse of the system, I quickly realized what I had done. He fought not against the system, but against the people who embody it. Already in the early nineties, when the plant, which employed three thousand people, was closed and a number of small businesses were still closed, and sausage appeared in stores, I realized that a free fall into the abyss began. I never again voted for the new government. Voted for the communists, against whom he spoke. I understood that they suck, but their ideology is at least for a working man. Not going to the vote means encouraging the goblins, and so at least some kind of opposition.
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  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 12 January 2014 19: 40
    +1
    Guys, to be honest, we are quietly dying.
    And no Olympics, reforms, promises and other props save the country, but rather the opposite.
    Every year, worse and worse. Russia is dying.
    It is a pity that many do not see this. It looks like cancer. Does not hurt in the early stages, does not manifest itself. Only fatigue somehow overcomes for no reason. Panic comes later. A lot.
    So it is in Russia. It seems they’re not sick, but there’s no strength left.
    It's my opinion.
  • PKTRL
    PKTRL 13 January 2014 00: 35
    +1
    Leont'ev, verbalizing, got it .. Became like Oval. There is a lot of dirt on the authorities, but he himself does not offer anything .. Moreover, he has become arbeiten (sold) for "oil and gas". Well, not a bastard .. but ..?! I think that the one who spends a lot of time ... about politics for money (now also for oil money) is dangerous for our society. His streamlined verbiage approaches the art of verbiage ehomatsi.