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For the stabilization of the situation in Afghanistan will pay its neighbors

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For the stabilization of the situation in Afghanistan will pay its neighbors



In 2014, NATO will announce the termination of its military mission in Afghanistan, after which the forces of the alliance will leave this country. All experts agree that after the end of the occupation, the Taliban will try to return to power, and for this they will be engaged in the destruction of other paramilitary groups, as well as collaborators. The regime of Hamid Karzai himself will collapse in the first months, or even weeks after the withdrawal of NATO troops, since the Afghan army and police exist only on paper. Undoubtedly, the destabilization of Afghanistan will affect the course of political processes within other states of Central Asia, and not in the best way.

Afghanistan

Afghanistan now needs a “firm hand” - a man capable of stopping the bloodshed, retaining power with an iron grip. Let his instrument even be the massacre of moderate political opponents - in any case, stability for Afghanistan is more important than justice. But, unfortunately, such a person (or a group of people) can appear only from the ranks of the armed radical opposition.

Now the real Afghan opposition is divided into two camps - the Taliban and religious fanatics brought to Afghanistan from all over the world. If fanatics seize power, then Afghans will probably be perceived as new occupiers, and the war will continue until the Taliban come to power - a movement created on Afghan soil and reflecting the interests of the majority of the people of Afghanistan (otherwise it would not have enjoyed such mass support , like now). The Taliban are able to keep Kabul and the key cities of the country, so his chances of regaining power are quite large.

An additional factor could be the position of Washington: States seek to destroy the project of China, aimed at creating trade routes leading from east to west. In addition, the possession of Afghanistan will help America prevent the rapprochement of India with the Central Asian republics and Russia. Thus, the United States will try to "feed" the Taliban, if they prove to be strong. We will not extract any special advantages from the victory of the Taliban: the Taliban are unlikely to continue to pursue Islamic fanatics when they are expelled from the country, and we will have to take care of the destruction of extremists.

Tajikistan

The confrontation between the Taliban and religious fanatics, which can begin in Afghanistan in the 2014 year, can also overwhelm Tajikistan. This was already the case in 1992, when the Tajik radical opposition received considerable support from the Taliban, who barely overthrew Mohammad Najibullah.

It turns out that at the beginning of the 90's, the Taliban were counting on “exporting the Islamic revolution”, but note: they did this at the call of their “brothers” from abroad. If the Tajik "opposition", who is sitting in prisons, now asks for help from the Taliban, support will be provided, but the Taliban on their own initiative are unlikely to risk organizing an open invasion of the neighboring country in order to overthrow the secular regime. Newcomers fanatics do not count - they are always ready to massacre, and no matter who in the name of jihad will have to be cut.

We should not forget about the citizens of Tajikistan, recruited by Islamists and sent to Afghanistan for war against NATO soldiers, as well as numerous Afghan Tajiks. Surely the hands of militants after the withdrawal of the invaders will be unleashed, since the main enemy will disappear; and then a mass of brainless radicals will try to return to Tajikistan to get rid of the local secular regime. It is in our interests to prevent the growth of the Afghan war and its transformation into a regional conflict.

Russia needs to establish close cooperation with Tajikistan in matters not only external but also internal security. Fortunately, our military instructors are already present in Tajikistan. With each of the Tajik border guards there are Russian advisers; in addition, there is an FSB border guard task force in the country. However, cooperation should cover not only the military, but also the forensic sphere: this is very important, since many religious fanatics, in fact, are ordinary bandits, and they must be treated accordingly.

Pakistan

With Pakistan, another vulnerable neighbor of Afghanistan, things are more complicated. In the event of destabilization, no one will help him: on the contrary, the United States and India will only pour oil on the fire. True, they will be bitterly sorry about this when Pakistan turns into Upper Volta with nuclear missiles, and the militants will be a few steps away from receiving the "dirty bomb."

On the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan, in the so-called "tribal zone", the war is already fought. It is there that most of the people from Central Asia are concentrated, who are fighting on a par with the Pashtuns, not only against American occupiers and Afghan collaborators, but also against the Pakistani administration. In the future, if mercenaries from the Central Asian republics want to return home, the intensity of the fighting on the Afghan-Pakistan border may decrease.

Uzbekistan and Fergana Valley

Compared to Tajikistan, Uzbekistan under the leadership of Islam Karimov seems to be a more stable state, but in recent years, sharp internal contradictions have become clearly visible in this country. Islam Karimov is very old, and power should change in Uzbekistan in the coming years. In addition, Islamists tried to infiltrate into the republic several times, but so far unsuccessfully. It is hard to imagine what the fate of Uzbekistan will be if Karimov’s successor fails to cope with the responsibilities assigned to him. At best, the country will become a kind of Kyrgyzstan, at worst, it will slide to the level of Tajikistan.

Speaking about Uzbekistan, we should not forget about the Afghan Uzbeks, as well as the fact that militants of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan fled to Afghanistan. Now the IMU is fighting in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and also periodically makes attacks on the territory of Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.

After the defeat of NATO in Afghanistan, the liberated from the fighting, the IMU terrorists may return to Central Asia, especially if the Taliban take them as competitors and try to destroy them. Then the IMU will try to create bases in the Pamir mountains, waiting for its high point - the moment when Islam Karimov dies and the country will need a new leader.

Probably, other representatives of the “Islamic International” will follow in the footsteps of the IMU, if the Taliban for the sake of establishing order in their own country expelled them from Afghanistan. It’s bad if the militants settle near the Fergana Valley: they will definitely play on the contradictions between the peoples inhabiting it, and then, apart from the expansion of the Islamists, a large-scale interethnic conflict will begin in the south. Uzbeks and Kyrgyz, to put it mildly, have not liked each other since the times of the Russian Empire, so it would be easy to embroil them.

It is important to note the overpopulation of the Fergana Valley: in Central Asia, unlike other macro-regions of the CIS, the population does not decrease, but grows. At the same time, agriculture and production facilities remain at the same level or are degrading, so that drought and famine will soon await the residents of the Fergana Valley. Here, the conflict goes to the state level and from an interethnic one turns into an economic one: one can expect that in order to possess a valuable resource - water - the Central Asian republics will start numerous wars among themselves, drawing their neighbors and partners, including Russia, into them.

Kyrgyzstan

As for Kyrgyzstan, it may well become one of the main participants in the water wars. The instability in this country is increasing every year, and there are no guarantees that in a few years another coup will not take place in Bishkek.

Unlike Tajikistan, where the permanent Egomali Rakhmon has ruled for many years, in Kyrgyzstan we will fall into the trap if we provide the current government weapon and military advisers. Indeed, in the event of another uprising, the authorities of Kyrgyzstan will naturally be forced to use weapons, and then the USA, China and other major regional players will have a reason to accuse us of supporting the “bloody dictatorship”: they say, they are shooting at Russian liberals! However, the fact that the West seems to be “Kyrgyz liberals” is actually a bunch of hired thugs fighting in the interests of the next upstart oligarch.

Thus, we have few reliable allies in Central Asia. The leaders of several countries are in old age, in yet another state coups and bloody riots have become commonplace. The Fergana valley balances on the verge of a large-scale economic and inter-ethnic confrontation. If the Taliban comes to power in Afghanistan, he will strip his country of mercenary militants sent by the Gulf monarchies, and then the “Islamic International” will rush to Central Asia. It turns out that stabilizing the situation in Afghanistan will not bring us any benefits and, rather, will become a problem for us, since instead of an Afghan meat grinder, militants will now be sent to the CIS countries.
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  1. calocha
    calocha 10 January 2014 09: 40
    +4
    I think preparations are underway for something important, for the NATO’s distracting and destabilizing maneuver, troops have been withdrawn, and now they are withdrawing. The capitalists are not the people who will thoughtlessly throw money down the drain ... Everything is done with intent. Meanwhile, NATO will be at the borders of RUSSIA. Many things will become clear after the decision of UKRAINE and its PEOPLE .....
    1. Christian
      Christian 10 January 2014 19: 15
      +3
      The Taliban’s coming to power is beneficial for us. There will be no drugs in such quantity, and there will be firm power with which to deal. Law enforcers are trying to present the Amers' occupation mission as saving Russia! This is nonsense !!!
      1. alone
        alone 10 January 2014 21: 44
        +4
        Now the real Afghan opposition is divided into two camps - the Taliban and religious fanatics brought to Afghanistan from all over the world. If fanatics seize power, then Afghans will probably be perceived as new occupiers, and the war will continue until the Taliban come to power - a movement created on Afghan soil and reflecting the interests of the majority of the people of Afghanistan (otherwise it would not have enjoyed such mass support , like now). The Taliban are able to keep Kabul and the key cities of the country, so his chances of regaining power are quite large.


        The author, in my opinion, is not at all aware of what is happening in the camp of the Taliban. Taliban and religious fanatics are one and the same. The arrival of the Taliban is the arrival of fanatics.
      2. Krokodilych
        Krokodilych 11 January 2014 05: 56
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        You can ask - where is such confidence that there will be no drugs under the Taliban? When they pinned their tail, they themselves started to protect this business. This is for them - gerych - haram - and for infidels (according to their concepts) - as much as they like.
      3. Krokodilych
        Krokodilych 11 January 2014 05: 56
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        You can ask - where is such confidence that there will be no drugs under the Taliban? When they pinned their tail, they themselves started to protect this business. This is for them - gerych - haram - and for infidels (according to their concepts) - as much as they like.
    2. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 12 January 2014 14: 55
      +1
      Don't say nonsense. Now the whole world is far from Russia. The real "distraction" is the French war in Africa.
      And Afghanistan, as it was, forgive the Lord and the administrator, the ass of the world will remain. The USSR lost a lot of time, effort and people there. So the United States and the Satellites sowed all the forces there and in the Middle East as a whole.
      Meanwhile, Nato at the borders of RUSSIA

      Yeah, and the Martians are near the Earth. Nonsense. Now only Russia has real claims against Russia. But Europe and America have enough internal problems. What, please note, they now resemble the USSR in the late 80s. The crisis of the system, the crisis of power, the crisis of reform.
      Nevertheless, the Taliban is certainly a little better for us than just unorganized Pashtuns. Or even worse are the foolish Mohammedans. I beg you to recall Ahmad Shah Masoud, and those who killed him. As well as his policy and attitude towards Russia.
      And the fact that the Kyrgyz, Ozbeks and Tajiks will have to be terpils in this stinky war game ... Well, it will be a pleasant dirty trick for the 90s and for those Russian families that were then massacred. But Russia does not have the right not to intervene, because, unfortunately, our smaller brothers and I have common borders, and these are trunks and drugs, whatever one may say ...
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 12 January 2014 16: 35
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        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        Now only Russia has real claims against Russia

        What are they more real than Japanese?

        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        Nevertheless, the Taliban is certainly a little better for us than just unorganized Pashtuns. Or even worse are the foolish Mohammedans.

        Again, how do the Taliban differ from the silly Mohammedans?
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 12 January 2014 21: 04
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          Believe me, more real than Japanese. Japan, despite its army progress, is still far behind the entire planet.
          Again, how do the Taliban differ from the silly Mohammedans?

          The fact that they are the Taliban is obvious! You cannot combine the Taliban and different Wahhabis into one! This is at least not right!
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 13 January 2014 14: 50
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            Quote: Alex_Popovson
            Believe me, more real than Japanese.

            I won’t believe it. The voiced Japanese claims are even larger in area. The Chinese then snatched a few islands on the Amur, whose ownership was very controversial. Now at least this problem is not. And there is a Japanese one.

            Quote: Alex_Popovson
            The fact that they are the Taliban is obvious! You cannot combine the Taliban and different Wahhabis into one!

            What is obvious is that they are Taliban? Of course you can’t! The Taliban are the most fanatical, primitively understanding of Islam (the correctness of faith is determined by the length of the beard) foolish Mohammedans. And among Wahhabis, only the most radical, unconscious, poorly educated citizens are absurd. And what is better than the Taliban?
            1. Alex_Popovson
              Alex_Popovson 14 January 2014 09: 56
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              The fact that the Taliban, especially from the time of Leo Panjer, fought for the independence of Afghanistan. And with whom? Surprise! With Islamists of all stripes. And how did it end? The fact that Uncle Benya blew up Ahmad our Shah Masoud. And the Taliban raped ideologically, essentially joining their hordes
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 14 January 2014 13: 34
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                And what was Leo Pangier fighting for? And with whom? And how did bin Laden rap the Taliban?
                Why is the Taliban better than the Northern Alliance? Maybe the Northern Alliance is better for us?
  2. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 10 January 2014 09: 55
    +8
    from the Don.
    In order to undermine Central Asia, the Americans entered Afghanistan. The article emphasizes the point correctly. Our attempts to cooperate with the bai will be a simple waste of money and time! Basmachi, like some representatives of our national minorities, recognize only force. our liberal approach! So we strengthen the border of Kazakhstan!
    1. AVV
      AVV 10 January 2014 14: 26
      +2
      It is not in vain that Russia strengthens the South-East Military District and the Caspian flotilla; difficult times await us, so we must always be on the alert !!!
  3. likurg1
    likurg1 10 January 2014 09: 57
    +2
    everything is ready for the Talibanization of Central Asia :(
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 10 January 2014 11: 10
      +1
      Quote: likurg1
      everything is ready for the Talibanization of Central Asia :(

      And not only Central Asia ... From competent sources I know about the huge number of Afghans who entered Russia with Tajik passports.
      It’s not even a problem - it’s already TROUBLE on the doorstep!
      But look at how a true believer congratulated the Orthodox on Christmas. And the silence is complete, no resonance, he did not shout: "Mother of God, drive Putin away!" We are all smart people and we all understand everything ...
  4. rennim
    rennim 10 January 2014 09: 57
    +4
    Due to the lack of a state border with Kazakhstan, a large number of Afghan citizens leaked to the territory of the Russian Federation. Guess what they will do here soon? Unless urgent measures are taken to strengthen the state border and restore order with the migration flows, what awaits us further will be difficult to predict.
    1. Gost
      Gost 13 January 2014 12: 29
      -1
      In the practice of our country, there have been cases when entire nations were exported. So I think if a roasted cock pecks, appropriate decisions will be made and the problem will disappear. With strong power in the country, which is the GDP.
  5. Humpty
    Humpty 10 January 2014 10: 01
    +1
    Some of the author's assumptions are reasonable, others are a figment of the imagination. The Ferghana Valley is "waiting for a drought", "the secular regime of the drug hacker" - it is strongly said. Of course, Islamized bandits can crawl out of Afghanistan, but they can knock their horns off, which is also possible. The main danger in a possible armed conflict between Uzbekistan and its eastern and / or southern neighbor, which may well occur in the event of a serious destabilization of the situation. the conflict will not be local but regional. When supplying weapons to Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, one should think into whose hands it might fall. For example, a month ago, a military uniform provided by Russia in the amount of about $ 200 was stolen in Kyrgyzstan. I am curious who they are planning to wear now.
  6. makarov
    makarov 10 January 2014 10: 16
    +3
    the main burden will not fall on the shoulders of Afghanistan’s neighbors, but on the Russian Federation.
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 10 January 2014 10: 25
      +1
      +++. Rarely, but I agree with you. hi
      Thus, we have few reliable allies in Central Asia.-Only ONE, only RUSSIA FAVORABLE NON-DISTRIBUTION OF ALL DIRTH LEFT AFTER AMER.
      1. alone
        alone 10 January 2014 21: 47
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        If the Taliban go to Central Asia, they will go through Tajikistan.
  7. ka5280
    ka5280 10 January 2014 10: 29
    +1
    Under the Taliban, in Afghanistan, the production of heroin almost disappeared, because they have it haraam. In my opinion, this is a weighty argument in order not to prevent the Taliban from gaining power in Afghanistan. And everything else must be dealt with: the diplomatic corps and the SVR. What kind of movements will these or other groups of Islamists make, you need to monitor, play on the contradictions between the bandit groups, in a word, keep your finger on the pulse. And of course, keep your own ear sharp and the powder dry.
  8. Yeraz
    Yeraz 10 January 2014 11: 01
    +1
    All wounds, Russian soldiers will fight and die, and all allies will look at all this from their yard.
    1. Gost
      Gost 13 January 2014 12: 32
      0
      Russia has two allies, an army and a navy, the rest .... you understand yourself.
  9. Krokodilych
    Krokodilych 10 January 2014 11: 49
    +2
    Quote: ka5280
    Under the Taliban, in Afghanistan, the production of heroin almost disappeared, because they have it haraam. In my opinion, this is a weighty argument in order not to prevent the Taliban from gaining power in Afghanistan.


    Haram - this is for their own - and for strangers - easily. do not idealize the Taliban. When they were pressed, they themselves began to grow poppy. And now their influence is not zero, and the poppy is also well grown.
    Solving Afghanistan's Problem - Simple - Deprived of Heroin Supply
    My vision of how this is decided in the presence of political will (hereinafter - a short repost of my message from a similar topic):
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    Normal drones must be developed, then there will be no problems with the Afghan drug trafficking.
    Having a drone capable of being in the air for dozens of hours and which can carry several tons of payload, it is possible to create a flotilla of drones that carry tanks with reagents that destroy opium poppy crops as a payload. Now imagine that there is a flotilla of several hundred such drones capable of refueling and herbicides in the air (a flotilla from other drones makes refueling in the air). We calmly send the flotilla to Afghanistan at night where it destroys all crops in a matter of days. If you process the field with poppy seeds in this way for a couple of years, then this business will simply bend or become very troublesome. I’m not even talking about the benefits of reducing drug trafficking - and so it is obvious. Yes, after several raids there will be attempts to shoot down (and some will probably bring down), there is an option - instead of direct pollination, use planning tanks that are dropped from a height of 15-18 km, flying up to the field such a tank will have a speed comparable to a cruise missile (it’s unrealistic to shoot down from Kalash - only a full-fledged air defense installation). Such a tank is blown up over the field and spraying the herbicide - the result is the same.

    To get the coordinates of the fields with opium poppy - one spit - everything is perfectly visible from satellites (different cultures have different "signatures" on space images).

    PS I'm not talking about the fact that this technology is useful in their own agriculture - for automatic pollination of fields (by the way, in Japan, unmanned helicopters are already in full use for this)

    It seems to me that today this approach is the most effective for solving Afghan drug trafficking.
    UAVs are most advantageous to base in Turkmenistan.

    PS. Just don't say that it is not real and more complicated than the Energia-Buran project
    1. ka5280
      ka5280 10 January 2014 17: 04
      +1
      How much do you see the cost of this program? Astronomical or Nivrotcosmic? Although there is a reasonable grain, the use of herbicides to combat poppy crops.
      P.S. It seems to me that developing a malicious virus that destroys poppy culture is much simpler, cheaper and faster than building an armada of drones, and even agree with Turkmenistan on the use of bases on its territory and use.
    2. Gost
      Gost 13 January 2014 12: 39
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      Your idea is great!
      BUT, how do you imagine a country without an economy? MAK is all there is. (Maybe I’m mistaken, but 95% of the income is drugs.) To all this, a lot of powerful uncles who earn on drugs around the world will lose their feeders. What do you think minke whales were not able to destroy poppy plantations? COULD, but not destroyed, it means someone needs it.
  10. Romanychby
    Romanychby 10 January 2014 12: 02
    0
    Reading this article, I get the impression that the author is trying to tell us: "Oh, what a poor Russia, what will she do when the Taliban drive out the Islamists." And in fact, it turns out that he is not happy for the poorest country (that it will finally bring order within itself), but worries about Russia. But, personally, my IMHO: if Russia is not a LOCH, then it may well stand up for itself. Although, I I strongly doubt it.
  11. nerd.su
    nerd.su 10 January 2014 12: 19
    +1
    In 2014, NATO will announce the termination of its military mission in Afghanistan, after which the alliance troops will leave the territory of this country.

    Don't panic about this. Americans are not such suckers as Gorbachev. After the withdrawal of the termination of the military mission, "decisive support", the so-called "non-combat" mission, numbering up to 12 thousand people, will remain. It's like the Manas base, there was a military base, it became the US Air Force Transit Center.
    And they promise to support the Afghan security forces in dollars. And when the troops were withdrawn from you, but they left a "non-combat" division, and they also throw up some money, this is not at all the same when the troops just left and said: "For now, we are leaving, but we hope to remain friends. You somehow figure it out yourself. "
    So, all further constructions in the article are not very substantiated.

    Now the real Afghan opposition is divided into two camps - the Taliban and religious fanatics brought to Afghanistan from all over the world.

    However, the Taliban are religious fanatics. And, most likely, they will head that scum that is collected from all over the world. And they will fight with the Uzbek and Tajik bays, with the northerners.

    As for Kyrgyzstan, it could very well become one of the main participants in the water wars.
    Who else is involved?

    Indeed, in the event of another uprising, the Kyrgyz authorities will naturally be forced to use weapons, and then the USA, China and other large regional players will have occasion to accuse us of supporting the “bloody dictatorship”: they say that liberals are shot from Russian weapons!

    Firstly, according to .., Lavrov will figure out what to answer, he is working out his salary well. Secondly,
    is it China that will accuse us of shooting liberals with our weapons? laughing

    And not a word about the CSTO, but it seems that for such cases they created this alliance.
  12. Stasi
    Stasi 10 January 2014 13: 46
    +1
    The fact that the whole problem of destabilization in Central Asia lies on our shoulders is obvious. We should prepare not only power solutions but also look for allies. Contact must be sought with those with whom you can negotiate from the Taliban. The positive point is that among all these Islamic groups there is no unity, each pursues its own interests. On this it is quite possible to play in your own interests. The only question is whether our special services will be able to work this way.
  13. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 10 January 2014 14: 34
    +1
    Okay, there is the USSR or America, well, they don’t know how to learn from someone else’s example, you have to step on the rake yourself, the USSR generally bent, not only because of Afghanistan, but he did his bit, but the British, these cunning Anglo-Saxons got into Afghanistan already time? third? Or Fourth? How many bones of British soldiers have whitened for the third century in the mountains and on the plains of this god-forgotten country? Well, this country does not give in to control, as for me I would fill this country with chemical weapons to the very tops of the mountains, and cover with an atomic bombing top.
  14. Sephid
    Sephid 10 January 2014 14: 45
    +1
    Quote: Standard Oil
    Okay, there is the USSR or America, well, they don’t know how to learn from someone else’s example, you have to step on the rake yourself, the USSR generally bent, not only because of Afghanistan, but he did his bit, but the British, these cunning Anglo-Saxons got into Afghanistan already time? third? Or Fourth? How many bones of British soldiers have whitened for the third century in the mountains and on the plains of this god-forgotten country? Well, this country does not give in to control, as for me I would fill this country with chemical weapons to the very tops of the mountains, and cover with an atomic bombing top.

    As far as I am not a jingoistic patriot, "let's beat the americans))) 0", but I agree. By the way, there are a couple of candidate regions.
  15. oscar
    oscar 10 January 2014 15: 40
    0
    The Taliban do not like both radicals and the West, so why not try to establish contact with the Taliban to achieve common goals?
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 10 January 2014 18: 00
      +3
      Quote: oscar
      Taliban do not like both radicals and the West

      Yes, the Taliban are the most radical radicals! And he does not like Russia as much as the West. So it makes sense to negotiate with the Taliban only by hanging them with cradles first.

      Quote: Standard Oil
      Well, this country does not give in to control, as for me I would flood this country with chemical weapons to the very tops of the mountains, and cover it with an atomic bombardment from above.

      I remember that in our dining room, at the sink, there was a nook like this, 0,8-1 meters, like a pantry, but nothing was stored there. And once, in the hot summer, the ensign left one piece of meat there, saying "I'll take it in the evening." But they did not take it and they forgot everything about this meat, because no one has ever looked into this pantry, it is not interesting to examine the empty concrete floor. A few days later I saw a thin, smelly stream flowing out of the pantry, in which maggots were tumbling. Opening - cubic power! There the maggots bred all over the floor and began to fall out through the threshold what However, summer, heat, no one would voluntarily clean such a place in their head ... We covered everything with bleach, thickly, with a layer of a couple of cm, since it was not measured. Everything was cleaned up in the corridor and everything is fine. By the next evening in the outfit - it was again sprinkled with bleach, in the morning the maggots ate the bleach and again move there and even begin to crawl out again ... The process of using "chemical weapons" was repeated. So we handed over the outfit for almost two weeks, while only our company had a canteen. Then the tech came, the guys were no longer their own, they did not want to accept such a mess. Had to find a shovel and clean out laughing
      I mean, it would be nice to fling a vigorous bomb at the Taliban, but then you wouldn’t have to clean the mountains from the radioactive Taliban in the OZK.
  16. individual
    individual 10 January 2014 15: 49
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    Carefully reading the publication, I am convinced that Russia and Kazakhstan need to be fenced off from the entire south of Asia with a wall in the image and likeness of the Great China.
    If the wise peoples of the past in the III century BC could build this masterpiece manually, then for the present it will be a matter of technology!
    The length of the Chinese wall is 8 km.
    The length of the state border of Kazakhstan with Kyrgyzstan is 1050 km, with Turkmenistan-400 km. with Uzbekistan - 2150 km.
    Total issue price 3 600 km. peaceful border.
  17. Krokodilych
    Krokodilych 10 January 2014 17: 51
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    Quote: ka5280
    How much do you see the cost of this program? Astronomical or Nivrotcosmic? Although there is a reasonable grain, the use of herbicides to combat poppy crops.
    P.S. It seems to me that developing a malicious virus that destroys poppy culture is much simpler, cheaper and faster than building an armada of drones, and even agree with Turkmenistan on the use of bases on its territory and use.


    According to the annual report of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, the area under cultivation of opium poppy in Afghanistan now exceeds the coca plantations in Colombia, Peru and Bolivia combined, and amounts to 193 000 ha
    (Wkipedia)
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    In 1964, the pilot of the Kiev special operations aviation division of the Ukrainian Civil Aviation Administration E.P. Salmin and his crew members (co-pilot A. Barysh, aircraft technician V. Sklyarenko and aircraft mechanic E. Protsenko) processed 2 thousand hectares of collective farm fields on An-73XX. Such production has not yet been achieved on any agricultural airplane in the world.
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    those. even with the technologies of 50 years' range, such areas could be processed by 2 corn farmers in a year. It is understood that a couple of hundred drones will do this overnight.

    It is quite possible to agree with Turkmenistan - military airfields are already there.

    It is prohibitively expensive to have 80 tons of gerych in the country YEAR. And what could be dear there? Fuel? - So it seems that the oil in the country will not end soon. Herbicides? - look at the area of ​​poppy cultivated in Afghanistan and compare with the cultivated area in the Krasnodar Territory - 3634 THOUSAND hectares (19 times more). And what is the price of the lives of those who addicted to drugs from Afghanistan?

  18. waisson
    waisson 10 January 2014 19: 49
    0
    who next will be interested in building stability in Afghanistan unless the Chinese can succeed
  19. Sephid
    Sephid 10 January 2014 20: 13
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    Quote: Crocodilech
    Quote: ka5280
    How much do you see the cost of this program? Astronomical or Nivrotcosmic? Although there is a reasonable grain, the use of herbicides to combat poppy crops.
    P.S. It seems to me that developing a malicious virus that destroys poppy culture is much simpler, cheaper and faster than building an armada of drones, and even agree with Turkmenistan on the use of bases on its territory and use.


    According to the annual report of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, the area under cultivation of opium poppy in Afghanistan now exceeds the coca plantations in Colombia, Peru and Bolivia combined, and amounts to 193 000 ha
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    In 1964, the pilot of the Kiev special operations aviation division of the Ukrainian Civil Aviation Administration E.P. Salmin and his crew members (co-pilot A. Barysh, aircraft technician V. Sklyarenko and aircraft mechanic E. Protsenko) processed 2 thousand hectares of collective farm fields on An-73XX. Such production has not yet been achieved on any agricultural airplane in the world.
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    those. even with the technologies of 50 years' range, such areas could be processed by 2 corn farmers in a year. It is understood that a couple of hundred drones will do this overnight.

    It is quite possible to agree with Turkmenistan - military airfields are already there.

    It is prohibitively expensive to have 80 tons of gerych in the country YEAR. And what could be dear there? Fuel? - So it seems that the oil in the country will not end soon. Herbicides? - look at the area of ​​poppy cultivated in Afghanistan and compare with the cultivated area in the Krasnodar Territory - 3634 THOUSAND hectares (19 times more). And what is the price of the lives of those who addicted to drugs from Afghanistan?

    after the war in Vietnam, the UN banned the use of herbicides in the war
    1. Jager
      Jager 10 January 2014 20: 43
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      Chemical weapons were generally banned back in 1922. So what? Amerov in Vietnam, or Iraq with Iran, it strongly stopped in due time?
  20. Krokodilych
    Krokodilych 10 January 2014 20: 22
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    Quote: Sephid
    after the war in Vietnam, the UN banned the use of herbicides in the war

    But there is no war - there is an operation against drug lords. And all drones will not have weapons on board - ordinary agricultural aircraft.
    Again - you have to do it wisely - do not use the Orange agent - after which nothing grows for decades, but the usual herbicide with which the weeds are watered - if you cover the fields at a time when half of the season has passed, then there will be no new crop at all repeat next year - for those who did not get it.
    Then we will need such aircraft ourselves - all the same, the sown area in Russia, thank God, is ten times larger.
    1. Sergf
      Sergf 11 January 2014 02: 00
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      Quote: Crocodilech
      But there is no war - there is an operation against drug lords. And all drones will not have weapons on board - ordinary agricultural aircraft.
      Again - you have to do it wisely - do not use the Orange agent - after which nothing grows for decades, but the usual herbicide with which the weeds are watered - if you cover the fields at a time when half of the season has passed, then there will be no new crop at all repeat next year - for those who did not get it.
      Then we will need such aircraft ourselves - all the same, the sown area in Russia, thank God, is ten times larger.


      And who gave you the right to destroy something on a foreign land? It is for this reason that Americans do not. There is a reason to kill the Taliban, he is fighting with them, but there is no field. Do not you think our smart one that depriving them of their only income and without giving anything in return for the country that made it, all the streets will not be flooded with the blood of civilians?
      1. Krokodilych
        Krokodilych 11 January 2014 05: 54
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        Dear, you re-read what you wrote again — you propose that you import 80 TONs of gerych to Russia every year only because there is supposedly famine in Afghanistan. And check weakly - how many lives per year does this hero take?
        The Americans do not do this precisely because this heroych gets into Roosu and Europe and thereby destabilizes the situation.
        As long as we are at the cost of our people's lives to feed the Afghan "planters", they will continue to do so.
        In real life, there is something to do - they have good fruit and a variety of spices, but no one there will lift a finger to re-profile - because gerych - more profitable.
        No need horror stories about the streets covered with blood - in Russian cities drug addicts terrorize people every day.
        here some of the above generally offered to bomb Afghanistan with a nuclear weapon in the Stone Age, and nobody particularly spoke out against it, and here such horror stories immediately. Is it because this is a real way out, and to some it will be across the throat?
      2. Krokodilych
        Krokodilych 11 January 2014 05: 54
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        Dear, you re-read what you wrote again — you propose that you import 80 TONs of gerych to Russia every year only because there is supposedly famine in Afghanistan. And check weakly - how many lives per year does this hero take?
        The Americans do not do this precisely because this heroych gets into Roosu and Europe and thereby destabilizes the situation.
        As long as we are at the cost of our people's lives to feed the Afghan "planters", they will continue to do so.
        In real life, there is something to do - they have good fruit and a variety of spices, but no one there will lift a finger to re-profile - because gerych - more profitable.
        No need horror stories about the streets covered with blood - in Russian cities drug addicts terrorize people every day.
        here some of the above generally offered to bomb Afghanistan with a nuclear weapon in the Stone Age, and nobody particularly spoke out against it, and here such horror stories immediately. Is it because this is a real way out, and to some it will be across the throat?
        1. Sergf
          Sergf 11 January 2014 07: 33
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          And where are the Americans? Are they to blame for the fact that you use gerych? Are they to blame for the fact that your public services can only do something for a bribe? Guard your borders while they are yours ...
  21. Sephid
    Sephid 10 January 2014 23: 07
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    Quote: Jager
    Chemical weapons were generally banned back in 1922. So what? Amerov in Vietnam, or Iraq with Iran, it strongly stopped in due time?

    surely you’ll be like Americans, our only chance is an appeal to justice and truth, and not a pile of new lies and hypocrisy.
  22. Krokodilych
    Krokodilych 10 January 2014 23: 14
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    Quote: Sephid
    surely you’ll be like Americans, our only chance is an appeal to justice and truth, and not a pile of new lies and hypocrisy.


    the discussion went into the wrong steppe.
    What kind of chemical weapons are we talking about? Conventional herbicide in concentrations used in agriculture, the proposed drones do not have weapons on board. For the entire operation - a maximum of two days at night.
  23. likurg1
    likurg1 10 January 2014 23: 29
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    I wonder if you deport all Central Asians, there will be "afghanistan" earlier ???
  24. demotivator
    demotivator 11 January 2014 07: 53
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    If the Taliban comes to power in Afghanistan, it will cleanse its country from hired militants sent by the Gulf monarchies, and then the "Islamic International" will flood into Central Asia.

    Alarming conclusion. Even how it will rush, if it hasn't already. Tajikistan has a border with neighboring Afghanistan, but in fact it is guarded so-so. There are no problems with its transition. Migrants from Afghanistan easily naturalize in Tajikistan - the peoples are kindred. And the former Afghans, but already with Tajik passports, go to Moscow "to earn money", and at the same time also receive Russian citizenship for their children, whom their women give birth to in our maternity hospitals. Here's a "epidemic", it turns out.
    1. Sergf
      Sergf 11 January 2014 08: 05
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      Everything goes according to plan. Who does not want to be a slave will be replaced by them.
  25. Gshv9019
    Gshv9019 11 January 2014 15: 18
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    The article turned out to be stupid. The author, a certain Artem Vit, who knows nothing about Uzbekistan (this can be seen from his article), apparently considers himself a "great thinker." Probably about the Ferghana Valley (I am a native of the Fergana Valley), he read from some scary sites or books that can only be used for the back of the human body. The article was simply provocative. And I am surprised that a certain number of decent people (one might say intelligent) are sitting and discussing such a fairy tale. Whoever the so-called "receiver" is, some armed illiterate bandits (I would say so) will never be able to do with Uzbekistan (and with other Central Asian countries) what this fool wrote. And whoever does not agree with this, they simply see and maybe even study this country, but they do not see the country from the inside but only from the outside, or maybe even from some similar articles, which are full of provocations, most of which belong to the so-called Russian "independent experts ". And with the drought, in general, some kind of fairy tale turned out, which once again shows how "dunno" is our author himself. Therefore, I did not read about other CA countries. Do not comment on such rubbish, they are not worth it. thanks
  26. Celmz
    Celmz 12 January 2014 06: 21
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    Quote: lonely
    If the Taliban go to Central Asia, they will go through Tajikistan.

    maybe the Taliban will not go anywhere, they don’t have such ambitions, and so are driven into the Stone Age — except for the weapons, the Taliban are students, most of them have some kind of education, it is preferable to coexist with an enlightened society.
    and fanatics go mostly to illiteracy, education is the key to everything
  27. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 January 2014 11: 16
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    Well, if we do not play in the USSR and try to be friends with everyone at our own expense, then maybe nothing bad will happen. And the fact that Tajik-Uzbeks will be cut ... so nefig was Russian cut in 90's. We can say historical justice. You can kill yourself with the Taliban, we are their weapon, they are permission to destroy drugs. Pull Middle Asia, far under the knife. All the same, then everyone will have to clean up. Once again, the most important thing is not to show that we are interested in them. They will be treated like dogs and only suck money.
  28. ko88
    ko88 13 January 2014 03: 50
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    the Americans will leave, and there everything will start from the beginning (civil war) will return to normal, as it was after the departure of Soviet troops.