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Titus is alive!
Demonstration of cars to journalists at the site near Paris



New car from Nexter can take on board 14 people

The squad leader watches the situation from the outside from his central place, a little in-depth compared to the other two front seats. To his left, the driver uses the car’s full power, easily overcoming obstacles (the ride is surprisingly smooth), and to the right, the commander / gunner controls a medium-caliber gun, being fully prepared for any possible threat. Behind, ten paratroopers are ready to join the battle and disembark through the stern ramp, which contains a surveillance and embrasure device for firing.

If not for some photographs attached to the article, the previous paragraph could describe a ride on a typical 8x8 armored personnel carrier. But no, we are on board the newest machine in the 6x6 configuration, developed by Nexter, a French company that looks like Mrap, but represents a significant step forward compared to its counterparts. Looking at the state of the market and the accumulated experience of developing its XP2 6x6 technology demonstrator, Nexter decided that it was time to fill the gap between Aravis and VBCI and thus meet the needs of those armies that need to replace their fleet of armored personnel carriers and at the same time adapt to the changing combat situation. Most importantly, this includes the current hybrid nature of existing conflicts, which, as recent operations confirm, may include a wide range of military operations, coupled with an unbending stance on reducing overall costs for the entire service life. Strategic and operational mobility plus operational flexibility are set aside, it is necessary that in less rich countries the term “inexpensive” prevails as opposed to the term “cheap”, and it should also be understood in first-tier countries whose military budgets are constantly decreasing.

This vehicle (formerly XP3) has transformed all of these aspects into modularity, life-cycle cost control and a highly efficient chassis with a well-deserved reputation. Subsequently, the vehicle received the more majestically "imperial" name Titus (Titus, the ancient Roman emperor), which actually means the Tactical Infantry Transport & Utility System (tactical infantry transport and support system). With a dead weight of 17,5 tons, its combat weight for mixed conflicts is usually about 23,3 tons, although its maximum total weight can go up to 27 tons.


Good visibility for the front seated squadron and some paratroopers sitting in the rear cabin



Driver's seat


Mobility
For an all-terrain military vehicle, the key factor of mobility is the constancy of grip. This in turn entails a corresponding (in fact, the maximum possible amount of load) load distribution and “long legs” in order not to lose traction with the ground in the most difficult conditions. When distributing the load, tires do a lot of work, which in this case is entrusted to Michélin 16.00R20 - comfortable wide “shoes”, the pressure in which may vary depending on the nature of the terrain.

Another component that greatly influences grip is, of course, the chassis. There are several (but not many) ways to provide the necessary wheel travel down. One of them is to allow the chassis to arbitrarily curl, as it is very effectively done by a well-known German company. But if the chassis has to be a long, heavy and rigid cab, then such a scheme has a big disadvantage, negatively affecting the payload. The second, nominally perfect scheme, is a rigid chassis lying on a fully independent suspension with a long stroke, working on overhead wishbones, and which is as good as the road, especially over a certain tonnage. The ideal answer could give the principle of swinging semi-axes. It may be old, like the independent suspension itself, but its shortcomings, such as yaw (angular movements of the aircraft, ship, car relative to the vertical axis - approx. Lane), were brilliantly solved by Tatra company at the beginning of the 20-s. Since then, the company has had many victories in various races, including in the truck class at the unforgettable Paris-Dakar rally, starting from 1988, when Czechoslovakia was on the other side of the Iron Curtain. The uniqueness of the Tatra chassis, which was chosen by the company Nexter, lies in its central carrier tube (ridge frame) and independently swinging semi-axes. The torque is transmitted by the longitudinal shaft running inside the frame, and the main gear consists of two bevel gears mounted on the end of this shaft and engaging with the rims of the gears of each axle shaft (see the Tatra chassis and video that speak for themselves).


The operating principle of Tatra suspension with swing bridges; in the figure for the standard wheel arrangement 6 x 6 in which each differential semi-axle in a tubular casing swings around the corresponding drive gear



Video demonstration of the principle of operation of the Tatra chassis

However, the first thing Nexter did was to change the layout of the Tatra 6x6 chassis axles. The second bridge, usually located closer to the third bridge, was placed exactly midway between the first and third bridges. Of course, this is brilliant in terms of the distribution of the load and axle load when overcoming rough terrain, but makes the car poorly controlled, since the front wheels break the linear stiffness of the other two bridges when turning. The Nextxt company solved with no less success by placing a second differential steering gear on the third axle.


Wheels that are in positive continuous contact with the ground, provide good cross-country performance. The upgraded Tatra chassis fully meets this requirement.


What is very important, it not only added maneuverability, but also provided an unprecedented turning circle for trucks 13 meters, while modern passenger cars hardly fit into the mark 12 meters! The second advantage of this dual steering is to reduce the side skid when the wheels are completely locked. It must be said, however, that driving on a highway with a wagging "tail" is unacceptable. Therefore, the security system reduces the angles of rotation of the rear axle with increasing machine speed. The angles of rotation of the wheels to the speed of 10 km / h are the same as those of the front axle, with an increase in the speed, they gradually decrease, and when the 45 km / h is reached, the rear axle actually becomes uncontrollable.

The mobility of the vehicle is also largely dependent on the power of the power unit. To this end, the company Nexter went for the engine abroad and stopped on a Cummins engine with approximately 440 HP. and an automatic Allison six-speed transmission. As a result, with phenomenal effective engine power, the car is very sensitive and smoothly reacts to the accelerator pedal. Sea trials not far from Paris were quite difficult, but the engine always had enough engine power, although its combat weight was more than usual. Despite the impressive huge ruts dug at the site, there has never been any noticeable impact or loss of traction. It was only when there was a problem with the power reserve in the sand that journalists were told that an engine with an 550 hp power was considered as an option.

Protection
Nexter's goal is to provide the customer with what is really needed to increase protection. The base machine has the level of protection of the engine hood Level 1 and bullet-proof glass, the level of protection of the crew’s steel capsule is Level 2 (ballistic and anti-mine), and the machine is able to withstand an IED (improvised explosive device) weighing 50 kg. These levels, of course, can be easily raised by installing additional armor; Titus was created from the very beginning to make such decisions. Currently, the company Nexter is considering increasing the levels of protection: engine hood and bulletproof glass - Level 3, ballistic and mine - Level 4, protection against 150-kg of the SVU charge and 155-mm shell splinter; of course intermediate levels are also available.

As stated at the outset, full customer satisfaction is seen as a key task, even at a lower cost, to a large extent, the concept of modularity contributes to this. However, the modularity itself can raise the cost of the product and thus, here you need to take into account the wishes of the customer, all the pros and cons. This means that if the buyer finds that he will need to add some components later, the machine will be equipped to make such decisions. Conversely, if the buyer is fully confident that his car will not change, then solutions that allow adding modular elements will not be taken into account and the purchase price of the car will become lower. These concepts should be illustrated and described in detail, and a chart of successive options with many variable characteristics should be presented to the buyer.

Situational awareness
As mentioned above, in the cockpit the driver sits on the left and the commander / gunner on the right, in the left front corner of the roof of the prototype, the remote-controlled Nexter ARX20 combat module is installed. Behind the cockpit in the central position is a seat for the commander of the landing. Such a vantage point allows him not only to observe the situation on the big screen of the battle management system on the left and the sub screen on the right, but more importantly to keep a direct overview of the frontal sector in 120 ° through a large one-piece windshield - a key feature that guarantees maximum situational awareness.

The wide windshield also allows troops, especially those who are sitting in front, to observe the external situation. On each side of the car can be installed on three windows of armored glass. The current prototype was not equipped with such windows (but was ready for this), instead of them an opaque protection Level 3 was installed. Situational awareness is complemented by four cameras that provide an all-round view of 360 °.

Ergonomics
When creating Titus, Nexter conducted thorough ergonomic research, first made a wooden model and embodied all the experience gained with previous machines. The hull does not interfere with the passage over the entire length, its internal volume is 1,4 м3, you can add storage for it with 2,4 м3 volume inside the machine and 1,5 м3 outside, the latter is divided between six compartments, three on board.
The bottom of the car is high enough from the ground, the stern ramp and intermediate stage facilitate access to the car, the door is fenced with two side rails, which make it easier to get in and out of the car. We repeatedly checked the entrance and exit of the car: the ramp falls lower than, for example, at VBCI, and the intermediate stage plays an important role for the convenience of entry and exit. On the sides of the troop compartment are two rows of energy absorbing seats. The maximum number of 14 passengers, this includes two crew members in the front cabin and two rows of six seats in the rear without a squad leader. When installed for him in the middle of the seat, the number of rear seats in each row is five; accordingly, in this case the number of passengers is 13 people. The smaller number relates to personnel equipped with Felin systems, and the larger number to soldiers with light equipment.

Overall height is solid 1,37 meters, while each paratrooper has at its disposal 570 mm in width, a lot of attention in the car is given to comfort. It is worth noting one of the features that for armies equipped with individual soldier systems like the Felin, Nexter has developed wider side doors for the driver and commander to facilitate embarkation and disembarkation. There is also an option without the front right door. Depending on the level of protection and the corresponding increase in mass, the front doors can be equipped with electric drives. The commander of the vehicle and the compartment has hatches, and in the rear of the hull, on the upper corners of the module for carrying troops, there are two more hatches for access to the settings of light machine guns. The stern ramp can be replaced with two doors.

If comfortable conditions allow passengers to disembark in relatively good condition after a long drive over rough terrain and, consequently, immediately engage in combat, then comfort can be safely attributed to an integral part of ergonomics. The soldiers who took part in the current tests on this extremely harsh, if not extreme, area, previously participated in the hostilities in the former Yugoslavia and Afghanistan. They unequivocally confirmed the opinion of the journalists present that Titus utterly surpasses any combat vehicle on six wheels and can hardly be surpassed by the "eight-wheeled". In fact, we never got into a critical situation and never heard loud “protests” of the chassis when it seemed to the driver that they were aiming at us from an RPG. The strengths of the Tatra chassis cushioning system are enormous.


The machine is configured for 13 people, two rows of five seats plus three seats in the front cabin


options
The aforementioned modularity defines various configurations and variants. First of all, the BTR variant can be equipped in accordance with the level of threat and combat mission. Nexter offers six different kits with successively increasing weight and complexity; Depending on personal equipment, the seat layout remains 2 + 13 or 2 + 11.

The base version is used for patrol missions, its only weapon is a remote-controlled turret 7,62-mm machine gun for self-defense. The machine also has on each side three side windows with embrasures for shooting, the same is with the other two options for carrying out tasks of low intensity: one to maintain public order, and the second to disperse the crowd. The loudspeaker, the Galix non-lethal grenades and the front fence distinguish the option for maintaining public order, while the crowd-control machine also has scissors for cutting wires and cables, a Molotov cocktail counteraction system and bulldozer blades for demolishing barricades. All of these options, the patrol and two for internal troops, have a mass of about 19 tons.

For traditional warfare, mass increases to about 22 tons, remotely controlled weapons are replaced by heavier ARX20 turrets. The protection level of the crew compartment is raised to Level 3 (or even 4), side windows give way to additional armor, a shot detection system, an infrared silencer, a laser warning system receiver, a multi-touch warning device and a friend-to-friend identification system can also be added. plus can be installed front winch. Rebel control configurations include an 12,7 / 7,62-mm combat module, mounted RPG anti-RPG screens (eg, Nexter PG-Guard), a 360 ° all-round camera system, a silencer, and of course, all Level 4 protection with the greatest possible protection against roadside bombs; in the stern of the machine, two light machine guns are installed and it is quite possible in connection with the “gained Afghan experience”.

Such an option can also be equipped with a tactical ladder on the roof, so that special forces can directly storm buildings from higher floors. Of course, it is necessary to remove all equipment from the roof. The last two configurations increase the mass to 23 tons, which is a ton less than the heaviest option for urban combat. This is essentially a counter-insurgency variant with a dozer blade and a Nexter Nerva microrobot for conducting reconnaissance.


Three external boxes on each board provide additional 1,5 m 3 for storing individual equipment and compartment equipment. The Nexter Nerva micorobot laid at the rear of the Titus can usually be used in urban environments for short-range intelligence



The Nexter Nerva micorobot at the RAE 2013 exhibition in Nizhny Tagil

Nexter has already outlined the development of several functional kits that transform Titus into various support machines. These include an 81-mm mortar set-up with 80 rounds of ammunition, an anti-tank set-up with 12 missiles and two embrasures for firing and a sniper machine for two sniper groups with 12,7-mm and 7,62-mm rifles; All these cars have a crew of three people and, depending on the variant, a corresponding group of three or four specialists. The modifications, in the full sense of the word, include a sanitary version with four stretchers, engineering, easy evacuation and supplies (can carry NATO standard pallets and is equipped with aft doors), a control station with three jobs and an artillery observation vehicle. Last modified with Margot mast surveillance system. Even these machines are based on functional kits and can be reconfigured in the troops, depending on the tasks performed.

The only option that requires serious refinement of the machine is a mortar conveyor armed with an 120-mm rifled mortar TDA A 2R2M, which fires through two open hatches on the roof.

The principle of functional kits will simplify the support of the Titus machine from a logistics point of view. In this way, Nexter is developing an increasingly efficient logistics system, which ranges from parts supply to complete, comprehensive logistics. According to Nexter, being a combination of a Mrap type machine (with enhanced mine protection) and a wheeled BMP / BTR, Titus must perform more than 85% of BMP combat missions and all BTR tasks in mixed conflicts, which opens up significant market share for this French novice.


The picture clearly shows the work of steering the rear wheels. At low speeds, the angles of rotation are the same for the front and rear axles. At speeds above 40 km / h, turning the rear axle is blocked



The combination of a lowered ramp and an intermediate stage in front of it greatly simplifies embarkation and disembarkation. Such a decision will be highly appreciated by soldiers in heavy body armor.


Market
Nexter officials said they started the project more than two years ago after evaluating the scope of two main factors. On the one hand, this is the number of obsolete armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles that need to be removed from service, and on the other hand, the development of mixed conflict scenarios, in which a number of opportunities will be lost due to the too high cost of such large vehicles as VBCI and Boxer. These studies allowed the company to estimate the potential market volume in approximately 1000 machines.

The machine presented in the article is the first prototype, but it is planned that the second prototype will receive the inevitable improvements (some of them will also be implemented on the first prototype), and perhaps even a more powerful engine. The Titus machine is fully compliant with the standards for public roads and enters the Atlas A400M transport aircraft without any problems. It may be ready for production at the beginning of December 2013 (there is no information on 1 in January 2014).



Nexter ARX20 remotely controlled combat module has a rather convincing firepower


In the configuration of the struggle with the rebels on the Titus machine can be installed two light machine guns, for example, FN Minimi (pictured)


TITUS machine specifications
Own weight 17,5 tons
Combat weight (3 Level) 23,3 tons
Gross weight 27,0 tons
7,55 meter length
2,55 meter width
2,73 meter height
2,55 gauge meter
Engine Cummins 440 HP, optional 550 HP
Max speed 110 km / h
Cruising range> 700 km
40 ° front overhang angle
60 ° rear overhang angle
Clearance 0,29 - 0,49 meters (0,38 meters as standard)
Slope 60%
Side slope 30%
Horizontal obstacle 1,2 meter
Vertical obstacle 0,65 meter
Ford 1,2 meter without training

Titus presentation video at DSEI 2013
Author:
Originator:
Armada August / September 2013; www.tatra.cz
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  1. makarov
    makarov 10 January 2014 09: 57
    0
    Probably aggregate is for the African market. on the Tatra mountains it was extinguished in youth, the suspension is stiff, and its endurance is weaker than kraz.
    1. Volodya Sibiryak
      Volodya Sibiryak 10 January 2014 10: 42
      +4
      The Tatra has a stiffer suspension ?! The Tatra suspension on smoothness will give a hundred points ahead to any truck, but regarding endurance, here you are right and there is an explanation for this, the Tatra suspension is more complicated and I consider it incorrect to compare with Kraz, a bowel shake like this needs to be looked for.
      1. bask
        bask 10 January 2014 17: 57
        +4
        Quote: Volodya Sibiryak
        of the course of the move will give a hundred points ahead to any truck, but regarding endurance, here you are right and there is an explanation for this, the Tatra suspension is more difficult

        Tatra suspension, very complex and not repairable. In the field, it will be difficult to repair (and even more so for the African miracle, it will be difficult for engineers and workers to do it.
        Take as an example the suspension, armored Merc.
        Mercedes-Benz Zetros (armored cab).
        All just bridges and drum brakes - nothing more.
        Payload 4x4 up to 6 tons, 6x6 up to 10 tons.



        And a classic of the genre !!!
        Unimog U5000 bridges, spring long-stroke suspension.
        Multipurpose Dingo 2 armored car on Unimog chassis manufactured by Krauss-Maffei. About eight hundred units were produced (in service in Germany, Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg, the Czech Republic).

        Blown up on an anti-tank mine-Afghan.

        1. soldier of fortune
          soldier of fortune 11 January 2014 17: 15
          +1
          "The Tatrava suspension is very complicated and not repairable. It will be difficult to repair it in the field (and even more so for the African miracle for engineers and workers it will be difficult."


          Bullshit! Sorry, but no military nafig need a car that needs to be repaired in the field. Forget your collective farm! Neither Kamaz nor Mercedes will be repaired in the field. You need to be an idiot to roll bridges across the field in the army, remove boxes and deal with other crap!
          Tatra, by the way, without 3 wheels (hubs, claws) out of its 6 itself will reach repair, but there is NO truck on the bridges !!!
          You cite as an example a technique that no one else uses except the manufacturer, and Tatra works all over the world and serves in all armies.
          Bridges in general ANCHARANISM used for the MIND MESSAGE, so as not to spend money and time on developing an independent suspension. Look at the promising developments ........ there ONLY AN INDEPENDENT SUSPENSION ......... and hundreds of books about why it is! (our MAZ tractors, HURRICANES, POINTS-U, armored personnel carriers, etc., have been riding her darling since the middle of the last century).

          And about the complexity and maintainability ........ A lot of specialists here, and not just baltuns, who at least once repaired this suspension ??? Aw! Answer me! And I will sort it with my eyes closed (both in the open field and in the snowy virgin snow) ..... IT IS MUCH EASIER THAN YOUR DYBLE BRIDGES and in parts (during repair) it is much easier.
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 19 January 2014 20: 49
            +2
            Quote: soldier of fortune
            Hurricanes

            The chassis for the Uragan RZSO ZIL-135L and it has a suspension only on the 1st and 4th axles.
            This is for clarification.

  2. Akim
    Akim 10 January 2014 10: 29
    +2
    The author plus for the work done. But doesn’t it seem to you that the weight of the IEDs is undermining - did the developers somewhat overestimate?
    1. bask
      bask 10 January 2014 17: 32
      0
      Quote: Akim
      But doesn’t it seem to you that the weight of the IEDs is undermining - did the developers somewhat overestimate?

      Akim probably just a typo.
      STANAG 4569 security levels
      Ballistic protection level: ammunition mine protection
      STANAG 1 7,62x51 mm, steel core hand grenades
      STANAG 2 7,62x39 mm, armor-piercing incendiary 6 kg of trinitrotoluene
      STANAG 3 7,62x54 mm, armor-piercing incendiary 8 kg of trinitrotoluene
      STANAG 4 14,5 mm, armor-piercing incendiary 10 kg of trinitrotoluene
      STANAG 5 25 mm undefined
      Note. Types of mine protection: a - from an explosion under the wheel, b - from an explosion under the bottom.
  3. fan_
    fan_ 10 January 2014 11: 43
    +1
    yes every 10 times it’s overstated!
  4. Xroft
    Xroft 10 January 2014 11: 46
    0
    how by the way are our typhoons? when should they arrive?
    1. bask
      bask 10 January 2014 18: 20
      +4
      Quote: Xroft
      how by the way are our typhoons? when should they arrive?

      Our ,, Typhoons ,, Ural, and KamAZ, SHOULD ALREADY FINALLY GO TO THE ARMY, HUNDREDS OF ONE !!!!
      Tests have all passed.

      Titusexcellent modern multi-purpose armored car ... Made by French NEXTER.
      But exclusively, for export. There is nothing new innovative for us (Russia) in this armored car .. (exported goods are very strong and of high quality).

      For their armed forces, the French will purchase.
      Armored vehicles developed by the VBMR program by RENAULT .
      New VBMRs will need to replace outdated 4 × 4 VAB armored personnel carriers.
      Classic lineup 6x6.
  5. individual
    individual 10 January 2014 13: 48
    +1
    We conclude:
    The more bells and whistles the more they burn.
    1. bask
      bask 10 January 2014 18: 31
      +1
      Quote: individ
      The more bells and whistles the more they burn.

      I do not agree.
      Without ,, thieves ,, in a modern asymmetric war there is no where.
      It is better to use an integrated system, combat control. With 100%, knowledge of the situation commander of the armored car TITUS.
      How to substitute the head for a sniper shot, use a remote combat module (DBM).
      Composite DZ armor (not explosive) at times increases ballistic and anti-mine defense, etc.
      MaxxPro.
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 10 January 2014 23: 27
        +2
        Quote: bask
        I do not agree. Without ,, thieves ,, in a modern asymmetric war there is no where.


        I completely agree. Even purely economically, the loss of one trained officer, not to mention a whole squad, "costs" the state not much less than the cost of an old repaired armored personnel carrier (without any grill, modern combat module and communication systems) - training costs + training costs for new fighters. salary, social benefits to the family, treatment, etc. It is much more profitable to use "technical bells and whistles" and preserve the lives and experience of your soldiers. Another thing is that the equipment must be reliable and maintainable.
        1. bask
          bask 11 January 2014 01: 12
          0
          Quote: Blackgrifon
          . Another thing is that the equipment must be reliable and maintainable.


          It was not for nothing that the yankers took the chassis of a comic truck, Navistar (they know how to count money).
          With a longeron frame, they created the MaxxPro MPRA the most widespread in the army and marine corps of the United States.
          Relative, dishivism of manufacturing and maintainability.
          1. soldier of fortune
            soldier of fortune 11 January 2014 17: 28
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            Quote: bask
            Quote: Blackgrifon
            . Another thing is that the equipment must be reliable and maintainable.


            It was not for nothing that the yankers took the chassis of a comic truck, Navistar (they know how to count money).
            With a longeron frame, they created the MaxxPro MPRA the most widespread in the army and marine corps of the United States.
            Relative, dishivism of manufacturing and maintainability.


            I do not want to upset you, but the Americans have never been famous as developers of BAT and trucks in general. They are very far from Europeans and even Chinese. They even have cars even on bridges, but the Chinese no longer have them.
            And about the fact that they know how to count money, tell Congress to constantly investigate sky-high financial spending and the loss of billions at the close of most of the stupid projects of the Moscow Region.
            And the example you cited confirms this as a forced FIRE measure in the absence of a suitable vehicle. Blinded from what was AND EVERYTHING !!!
            Now they are also conducting their development, and like everyone else they will refuse a frame chassis (if there are enough brains)
            And the notorious maintainability should be laid at the design and production stage and not operation.
  6. Booby
    Booby 10 January 2014 14: 08
    0
    She still lacks a full-time mini-drone.
    1. bask
      bask 10 January 2014 18: 35
      0
      Quote: Bukh
      She still lacks a full-time mini-drone.

      This is a great idea, a mini UAV ... obviously not enough.
      If suddenly Titus is purchased by the French army, drones will be required.
      1. avt
        avt 10 January 2014 20: 02
        +1
        Quote: Bukh
        She still lacks a full-time mini-drone.

        Quote: bask
        This is a great idea, a mini UAV ... obviously not enough.

        request Yes, only with a bang! Here, in the column for at least a couple of cars, there is one simple polystyrene foam - look ahead and around the edges, well, it certainly won’t be worse and the chances of surviving will sharply increase. The infrared spectrum would still.
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 10 January 2014 23: 29
          +1
          Quote: avt
          it will not be worse and the chances of surviving will sharply increase


          So the Yankees did during the invasion of Iraq. A number of sources said that UAVs at the company-battalion level replaced security.
  7. ramsi
    ramsi 10 January 2014 16: 41
    +1
    swinging bridges are something! .. A vivid demonstration of how not to do it. My God, are you - and a cardan drive on a wheel, is it more complicated?!.
  8. Olegmog
    Olegmog 10 January 2014 17: 27
    +2
    Only an independent suspension, allows at least something like that
    lower the center of gravity. Although very much increases the price of the armored car.
    1. bask
      bask 10 January 2014 18: 49
      +2
      Quote: Olegmog
      Only an independent suspension, allows at least something like that
      lower the center of gravity. Although very much increases the price of the armored car.

      Here it is ON THE POINT.Olegmog.
      But independent suspension increases the cost of an armored car ...
      As well as the price of repairs and maintenance.
      And only rich countries, including Russia, can allow this.



      Oshkosh TAK-4 Independent Suspension is already installed on more than 10000 M-ATVs.
      This increased mobility in off-road, rugged and mountainous terrain.
      But the protection of the M-ATV Oshkosh is the same as the MRAP.

  9. Technologist
    Technologist 10 January 2014 18: 28
    0
    Interestingly, but they stuck a tachograph there?)))
  10. Gronsky
    Gronsky 10 January 2014 19: 28
    +2
    Nexter did the right thing. It is strange that so far no one has used the Tatra chassis for MRIs. The spinal frame itself simply asks for such machines, and the central tube itself plays the role of a breakwater for the blast wave, the function of which in machines with a conventional side member frame is played by a V-shaped bottom. In addition, all transmission drives pass inside the spine tube and are well protected. The suspension has been worked out for a long time, reliable and less complicated than that of the same Oshkosh. And do not disgrace, talking about the complexity and unreliability of the Tatra constructive scheme. Only full ignoramuses can claim this.
    In general, I think the car is correct and if the Galls grow together, it can become very popular.
    1. bask
      bask 10 January 2014 22: 17
      0
      Quote: Gronsky
      Nexter did the right thing. It is strange that so far no one has used the Tatra chassis for MRAPS


      Americans thought of it in 2010, to release together with the Tatra but not MPI and TRUCKS.

      Navistar-Tatra
      Universal container ship ATX6 and vehicle for transporting goods and soldiers ATX8 American company Navistar Defense LLC and Czech Tatra jointly presented two new all-wheel drive tactical trucks. The ATX6 multipurpose container ship and the ATX8 cargo and soldier car (pictured) are based on the Tatra chassis with a spinal tubular frame and independent suspension. They are equipped with Navistar engines and components. The vehicles will be sold by Navistar Defense in North America. "" ""
      клик
      http://www.autocentre.ua/tr/tracks/war-cars/parizhskiy-pokaz-18121.html
    2. ramsi
      ramsi 10 January 2014 22: 31
      +1
      - have you noticed that despite the "ridge", nobody canceled the spar frame?
      - ... well protected ... - in the sense of not winding grass on the propeller shaft? .. If an explosion, then there is every chance that it will break the axle shaft, and with "luck", and the gears in the bridge, instead of one wheel with a suspension and a fastened cardan.
      - And anthers of absolutely indecent size?
      - and maintainability: do you think it is not "weak" to disassemble the central tube to replace the bearing, instead of overthrowing the propeller shaft?
      - and the geometry of the spot of contact of the wheel with the ground? With a cardan drive, the surface itself determines the maximum contact, and here - the weight of the machine
      1. Gronsky
        Gronsky 10 January 2014 23: 20
        0
        Quote: bask
        ATX6 Universal Container Ship and ATX8 Soldier and Vehicle

        Yes, these developments are known to me. However, in my opinion, no one used the Czech chassis for MRIs. Nexter first.
        Yes, why did you use the quotation mark in quotation marks? This is the correct name for this type of frame. wink

        Quote: ramsi
        Have you noticed that in spite of the "ridge" the spar frame has not been canceled?

        Who is arguing? Both designs have their pros and cons.
        The rest of your arguments are more theoretical than practical. Practicing Tatraists will not agree with you. I also had experience working with these machines and can not say that they have fatal flaws that cross out their positive aspects. The design itself is very original, but at the same time extremely worked out. The same problem, as you put it, of the geometry of the contact spot (and popularly clubfoot), has long been solved by using the king frame suspension. And even then, this phenomenon manifested itself only on an empty, not loaded machine. On the same heavy suitcase as the Nexter discussed, the problem is not at all relevant.
        Perhaps I agree only with your statement about the rather voluminous anthers of the levers. This is really the only weakness of the chassis.
        But I think, and it can be solved, using, for example, high-strength material based on carbon fiber.
        1. bask
          bask 10 January 2014 23: 42
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          Quote: Gronsky
          Yes, why did you use the quotation mark in quotation marks? This is the correct name for this type of frame.

          Gronsky,the paragraph with the link quoted by me is quoted, but what's the problem?
          Other disadvantages ramsi listed.
          Quote: Gronsky
          Who is arguing? Both designs have their pros and cons.

          What are the disadvantages of the frame design ????? what
          If it is applied at 99,9% in freight cars.
          1. Gronsky
            Gronsky 10 January 2014 23: 54
            +1
            Quote: bask
            What are the disadvantages of the frame design ?????
            If it is applied at 99,9% in freight cars.

            How old are you, are you our unequivocal one, in which the Tatra central tube is crumpled? laughing Did you even see her in your eyes? I felt it alive? What is stiffness you know? Why do you need her? Google knows for sure - enlighten even in it, so as not to smack nonsense. This is not for you to download pictures from neta.
            1. bask
              bask 11 January 2014 00: 11
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              Quote: Gronsky
              How old are you, are you our unequivocal one, in which the Tatra central tube is crumpled?

              GronskyAre you fumigated or with a hangover? request
              Quote: Gronsky
              I felt it alive?

              Feel the women alive. The machine is not a living thing. love
              Talk to you at .....deleted by moderator Apollo-While, you are our Tatra ambiguous.
              That's always the case, a person wants to talk with a person, another one will come across ........deleted- know-it-all. KOOOOShmar, whether you understand.
              1. Gronsky
                Gronsky 11 January 2014 00: 22
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                Quote: bask
                Feel the women alive

                Well, at least you have an idea about this. That's about them and talk.
                Quote: bask
                The machine is not a living thing.

                For some, this is generally only an excuse to carry nonsense.
                1. bask
                  bask 11 January 2014 01: 18
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                  Quote: Gronsky
                  just an excuse to carry nonsense.

                  NUDE, NUDE. laughing
          2. soldier of fortune
            soldier of fortune 11 January 2014 17: 57
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            Quote: bask
            What are the disadvantages of the frame design ????? what
            If it is applied at 99,9% in freight cars.


            Compared to the spinal frame and the supporting body, the frame structures have more weight, less bending and torsional rigidity, worse fatigue strength of welded, bolted and riveted joints and all this with the same weight.
            The pluses are the simplicity and cheapness of manufacturing and assembly.

            And another 99,9% of cars use liquid petroleum toplio, which is already 100 years old anachranism with an efficiency of 24% (for reference, the efficiency of the electric motor is 92-98%) :)))))
            And yet all gunsmiths use a cartridge case with all its insurmountable shortcomings, although as early as 100 years there have been cartridge-free weapons systems with savings in weight of up to 35%. And I'm not talking about advanced electrical impulse developments.
            There are still a lot of archaic nonsense in the world that impede technical progress and creative engineering. And so it will be as long as the world is ruled by DUZZES with economic and legal Pseudo-Education.
      2. soldier of fortune
        soldier of fortune 11 January 2014 17: 47
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        [/ quote] - have you noticed that despite the "ridge" no one canceled the spar frame? [/ quote]
        Because cheap and cheerful :)
        [/ Quote]
        - ... well protected ... - in the sense of not winding grass on the propeller shaft? and a fastened cardan. [/ quote]
        Undermining is usually under one wheel, and in the case of a solid bridge, you definitely won’t go anywhere and you have to change the entire bridge and not one side.
        [/ Quote]
        - and anthers of absolutely indecent size? [/ quote]
        Anthers on the civil Tatra are cleaned with 8 mm steel casing. (I have never vomited anywhere!)
        And in the event of a blast ....... not up to the anthers!
        [/ Quote]
        - and maintainability: do you think it's not "weak" to disassemble the central tube to replace the bearing, instead of throwing the propeller shaft? [/ quote]
        Where and what kind of HF are you going to throw ??? In the event of a blast, the entire bridge is completely under replacement! The stocking of the bridge will bend, the thread of the hub nut will break or break off. And the Tatra will calmly reach without one claw (I tried twice, without the right front and left rear - it does not affect the speed !!!)
        [/ quote] - and the geometry of the spot of contact of the wheel with the ground? With a cardan drive, the surface itself determines the maximum contact, and here - the weight of the machine [/ quote]
        The cardan drive does not detect anything. Define suspension geometry settings. Even on the old Tatra, the suspension can be set as you wish, but now KUNG FRIME is adjustable pneumatic.
        1. ramsi
          ramsi 11 January 2014 20: 54
          +1
          [quote = soldier of fortune] [/ quote] - have you noticed that despite the "ridge", nobody canceled the spar frame? [/ quote]
          Because cheap and cheerful
          [/ Quote]
          judging by the figure, both the ridge and the spar frame of the Tatra are present simultaneously (not too much?)
          [/ Quote]
          - Undermining is usually under one wheel, and in the case of a solid bridge, you definitely won’t go anywhere and you have to change the entire bridge and not one side.
          [/ Quote]
          I mean the INDEPENDENT suspension with a cardan wheel drive
          [/ Quote]
          - and anthers of absolutely indecent size? [/ quote]
          Anthers on the civil Tatra are cleaned with 8 mm steel casing. (I have never vomited anywhere!)
          so maybe you didn’t move out of the asphalt?
          [/ quote] - and the geometry of the spot of contact of the wheel with the ground? With a cardan drive, the surface itself determines the maximum contact, and here - the weight of the machine [/ quote]
          [/ Quote]
          The cardan drive does not detect anything. Define suspension geometry settings. Even on the old Tatra, the suspension can be set as you like, but now KUNG FRIME is adjustable pneumatic. [/ Quote]
          as I understand it, there are three options for the suspension geometry: the wheel moves in a vertical plane along an arc in the transverse plane (Tatra, suspension on the wishbones);
          the wheel moves along an arc in the longitudinal plane (torsion bar suspension)
          and the wheel shifts strictly up and down on longitudinal jet rods or a spring (I don’t know such), I don’t consider the dependent suspension.
          so, of all, preferred, it seems to me, the last option
          [/ Quote]
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      3. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 19 January 2014 21: 08
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        All problems are solved by installing high-quality spare parts, including and bearings.
        In addition, repair units in the army for technical equipment and capabilities correspond to a small car repair plant.
        In case of serious damage to the transmission (or other similar components and assemblies) and the inability to evacuate the machine from the place by a tug, you can simply load it onto the trawl with a crane as a whole (if the tactical situation allows it) or simply destroy it by blasting it completely off the charge.
        And this applies to all equipment in general.
        And people can be picked up by another vehicle or they can leave on foot (to the point of evacuation or to the base, if the distance allows).
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    4. bask
      bask 10 January 2014 23: 18
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      Quote: Gronsky
      n, and the central tube itself plays the role of a breakwater for the blast wave, the function of which in machines with a conventional spar frame is played by a V-shaped bottom.

      The central tube is not armored, as is the spar frame and therefore will be crushed by the blast wave. But the repair process, the spar frame and the installation of bridges on them will take much less time and can be performed in the field.
      Secondly, the spar frames on the MRAP are installed only on MaxxPro.
      Spinal frames, not on one armored car .. MRAP class.

      Repair MaxxPro D after undermining, in the field of Afghanistan.


      Taken from: http: //uploads.ru/? v = vManD.jpg
      1. Gronsky
        Gronsky 10 January 2014 23: 34
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        Quote: bask
        The central tube is not armored, as is the spar frame and therefore will be crushed by the blast wave.


        With the thickness of its wall, it is not necessary to be armored. smile
        The pipe has a very high torsion stiffness, the machine can easily go without one wheel and the frame does not twist with a screw, like on any other machine. Checked. I think she can withstand 10 kg of explosives.
        And why should she be armored? The function of dispersion and suppression of the shock wave, with minimal consequences for the crew, the deformable obstacle will perform better.
        1. bask
          bask 11 January 2014 00: 27
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          The scheme proposed by Nexter 6x6. Where the second bridge is located exactly in the middle between the first and third bridges.

          MRAP TATRAPAN 6x6, (the second bridge is slightly offset to the front axle) is built on the Tatra 815 chassis.
          It has a V-shaped mine-protected body.
          Adopted by TATRAPAN in 1994.
          It was built, about 50 units of armored cars ... and only for the Slovak armed forces.
          For export, not supplied.
          1. bask
            bask 11 January 2014 00: 45
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            In 1992, the company Sandock-Austral, together with South Africa's Reunart Mechanical Systems.
            A prototype, MRAP, 6x6, was created for the Australian Armed Forces.
            Bridges (three bridges, where the 2nd bridge was also attached in the middle between the 1st and 3rd bridges.) As on all South African MRAPs, to the armored corps.

            MRAP Taipan.
      2. soldier of fortune
        soldier of fortune 11 January 2014 18: 29
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        Quote: bask

        The central tube is not armored, as is the spar frame and therefore will be crushed by the blast wave. But the repair process, the spar frame and the installation of bridges on them will take much less time and can be performed in the field.


        Again he wrote nonsense! You contradict your photos!
        In the photo, the overhaul of the machine with its complete disassembly and replacement of the undercarriage in the conditions of the repair base with a crane, equipment and necessary devices (even the goats were placed under the frame). So any truck can shake up and KamAZ and Merc and Tatra and BTR and anything else. And in an open field without a crane, spare parts, welding and a turner and an UAZ, you will drop it and go after the tractor and the cable.

        Only no offense, TANK!
        Everyone has already understood that you are a man far from the army and motor vehicles far and not at all in the subject, therefore, in order not to aggravate the situation with your ignorance, as I ask you, do not be clever and do not go into technical issues in which you are just VASYA! Don’t be offended, but you yourself here drew a complete ignoramus in technology and the Tatra in particular!
      3. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 19 January 2014 21: 21
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        All damaged equipment is pulled back to SPAM (Emergency Machines Assembly Point), where technicians inspect it and decide whether to repair it or for scrap (as a donor of spare parts or for re-melting).
        In the field, only those malfunctions that do not require special equipment are eliminated and are eliminated by the driver (crew), such as:
        1. small faults of a different nature
        2. malfunctions of a secondary nature, but not requiring disassembly of components and assemblies

        Everything else is just at the base.
        If a failure or breakdown occurred on the way, then the car is removed from the task and repair units are called, it is evacuated to the base and repaired there.
        The lost car is replaced by another.
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 19 January 2014 22: 38
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          Quote: wanderer_032
          2. malfunctions of a secondary nature, but not requiring disassembly of components and assemblies

          I will explain. Such units as ICE, gearbox, RK, bridges.
  11. likurg1
    likurg1 10 January 2014 19: 54
    +1
    Legion in Africa to carry with kandyukom
  12. kplayer
    kplayer 10 January 2014 21: 05
    +3
    The Americans are and remain the trendsetters of military fashion, otherwise why such an interest in the MRAP police, who are not regular BM in any branch of the military, are now ready to write off 50% of the fleet of these vehicles, the rest are apparently mothballed until the next "low" intensity war.
    It seems that for the army, the low silhouette of the BATTLE armored vehicles for obvious reasons has always been considered a good form.
    We are ready to make any fabrications (military programs) just to revive our defense industry.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 19 January 2014 22: 32
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      High altitude-pay for mine protection.
      Otherwise, it doesn’t work out.
  13. alone
    alone 10 January 2014 21: 14
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    Nice armored car. Of particular interest is the combat module
  14. datur
    datur 10 January 2014 21: 33
    +4
    um, an interesting trend, everyone is preparing cars against popular uprisings !! repeat
    1. bask
      bask 10 January 2014 23: 46
      +1
      Quote: datur
      um, an interesting trend, everyone is preparing cars against popular uprisings !!

      MRAP IS THE BTR OF THE OPPORTUNITIES.
      Use only in asymmetric-anti-terrorism wars.
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      2. kplayer
        kplayer 11 January 2014 14: 36
        +1
        And in anti-terrorist operations, secrecy and surprise are important, in other words, this is a war for reconnaissance and sabotage "special forces", this is their specialization.
        MRAP is primarily a police car, it is like a burning target for the army, a setup.
  15. soldier of fortune
    soldier of fortune 11 January 2014 16: 51
    +2
    Quote: makarov
    Probably aggregate is for the African market. on the Tatra mountains it was extinguished in youth, the suspension is stiff, and its endurance is weaker than kraz.


    Well, don’t drive me to the Tatra !!! And you do not need to mislead people! I worked on it for many years, my darling, and for the hardest conditions of exploitation, I DIDN'T BETTER BETTER.
    And your KRAZ generally SHIT. Not for nothing that they were already left on the roads. And the Tatras still serve faithfully (some 1986 release). In quarries, I worked with KAMAZ and KRAZ; they are missing for more than a year. And for this year they took out all their souls and juices from the carrier and from the repairmen. Every month under repair (and not only on the suspension, but on the entire unit in a circle). And I started a major overhaul on my TATRA when it was 1 km on non-mileage. And it is precisely due to the UNKILLABLE INDEPENDENT SUSPENSION and the TWIN-BOX ENGINE that are several times softer and faster on a bad road.

    And if you didn’t like it, then this GASKET needs to be changed ...............
    Not for nothing the Tatra chassis is the most common in the armies of the whole world.
    In the North and beyond the Urals, there is NO Krazov at all, and the Tatras were, are and will be. Amen!
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 19 January 2014 21: 37
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      In vain are you talking about KRAZ, they did a good job in their quarries in the north too.
      TATARS were not in all offices and it was hard to work for her.
      As well as on MAGIRUS.
      KRAZ, of course, is not TATRA, but it also had its own advantages, too. Prostota and rem.poditnost, and the rest of the drivers themselves, of course, finished everything "for themselves."

  16. Gronsky
    Gronsky 11 January 2014 21: 54
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    Quote: soldier of fortune
    Again he wrote nonsense! You contradict your photos!
    In the photo, the overhaul of the machine with its complete disassembly and replacement of the undercarriage in the conditions of the repair base with a crane, equipment and necessary devices (even the goats were placed under the frame). So any truck can shake up and KamAZ and Merc and Tatra and BTR and anything else. And in an open field without a crane, spare parts, welding and a turner and an UAZ, you will drop it and go after the tractor and the cable.

    Only no offense, TANK!
    Everyone has already understood that you are a man far from the army and motor vehicles far and not at all in the subject, therefore, in order not to aggravate the situation with your ignorance, as I ask you, do not be clever and do not go into technical issues in which you are just VASYA! Don’t be offended, but you yourself here drew a complete ignoramus in technology and the Tatra in particular!

    Bravo soldier. I thought of me alone this babble was cheating.

    soldier of fortune Well, don’t drive me to the Tatra !!! And you do not need to mislead people! I worked on it for many years, my darling, and for the hardest conditions of exploitation, I DIDN'T BETTER BETTER.

    You are broadcasting the truth. A kind machine, with a soul, made visibly, powerfully, iron.
    I’m not sure of one thing, that the Tatra chassis is the most widespread in the armies of the whole world.
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  18. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 19 January 2014 22: 25
    -1
    I liked the detailed article, oh sorry I missed it.
    The Tatra transmission is very reliable, it has shown many years of experience in operating these machines in our country in the difficult climate conditions of Siberia and the Far North.
    How reliable I know not only by hearsay, my father had a "mixer" based on TATRA-815 in the organization where he worked, and the machine worked like clockwork for 15 years (at construction sites, taking into account our conditions).
    From the older generation, those who worked for them were very happy with the machine and especially praised them for their ability to tip over on their side (dump trucks) when unloading. I also heard only positive reviews about their cross-country ability.
    And the French, yes, they are thinking on whose units to build their armored cars. And their development of the armored module is also respectful.
    I hope our "top" from the GABTU, seeing this all the same, when formulating requirements for such equipment, will take this into account, and the engineers of the military-industrial complex, worthy machines, can do just as well as "Typhoon-U" and "Typhoon-K" confirm this.
    1. 9lvariag
      9lvariag April 21 2014 23: 58
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      Above in the comments I saw a better car based on the TATRAPAN 6x6 "Tatra". And you can find fault with a lot. Well, did the French have a normal Reno VAB? The fig is still such a heavy boar. Many here wrote that de: the layout is better bonnet! I am not a great expert, but I will say: until such a horse falls from 10-20 meters, my own engine or even a piece of MTO with an armored car and everything that was under it. Another horror: the radiator - what are you thinking of this giant obelisk, will even a smoky and drunken black man from Somalia or a soldier of the Afghan army miss the mark? Also throughout the silhouette of the car. And this stupid obsession with giant suspended rear ramps? Don't you think that such a door, and also weighing almost 700 kg., Can be closed manually and with heavy machine-gun fire, as it was more than once already? Moreover, it is possible to enter such a hole. not only launch a grenade from a GP, RPG, ATGM. But a Molotov cocktail, a bunch of grenades and even a Tomahawk will fly into it with a whistle :)! Somewhere on the portal about the Second World War, I saw the burned down "YagdTiger", through the hatch of which a US soldier. threw a bottle of "cocktail" from a third-floor window. And the remote modules - why are we copying NATO, we don't have our own air turrets? And the cannons themselves are machine guns. for elimination. dead zones, are at an awesome height! :) This is for whom it was made - to scare the Papuans? So you can scare them even with a rocket from the old Lei P. And the protection of 2/3 of the French NATO modules? one line from the PKS or even worse DShK / NSV - and you can order a memorial service. Ammunition and / or other ammo will certainly detonate! Or at best, there will be a fire. Then it is worth thinking: will such transport pass through the forest; in the city under the bay windows; Will he drop in to hide to save the fighters in Duval? I only saw the body height and did not see the height with the modules. And wow: - the weight of 24 tons is almost the mass of half of the main tank. And protection against a falcon 155mm. shell - just ridiculous! :) Having exploded such a shell will simply turn the car over. A 203mm. he will just bury it .-))))) Please do not judge me strictly, as I understood it from the frogs, all the equipment resembles a Renault -21 and Citroen hybrid, with a computerized coffee grinder. This is judging by the Leclerc. Well, I just expressed my IMHO.