Media: Vietnam is thinking about buying Russian tanks T-90

The Ministry of Defense of Vietnam is considering the possibility of modernizing the existing T-72 and acquiring new Russian tanks T-90.
The armored vehicle fleet of the country has long been in need of updating, and today it mainly consists of Soviet-made T-55 and T-72 tanks, i -Mash.ru reports.

The Vietnamese Ministry of Defense is considering upgrading existing T-72 and acquiring new T-90 tanks. Army experts studied the T-90 tank and watched it in action during the military exercises of India, which are armed with license tanks T-90С.
Russian tank is fully consistent with the needs of the Vietnamese military. However, there is a difficulty with the unification of the entire tank park. To reduce the cost of maintaining tank units, it is necessary to completely re-equip the new combat vehicles, which would entail organizational and logistic difficulties.

The T-90 tank was created at the end of the 1980-x - the beginning of the 1990-s as an upgrade option for the domestic T-72B tank. However, in the future, this tank was adopted under the brand name T-90. After the chief designer Vladimir Potkin died, this tank was officially given the name "Vladimir".

Further development was the fact that from 2001-th to 2010 year T-90 was recognized as the best-selling tank on the world market of tank weapons. In addition, the licensed assembly of these tanks was carried out in India.

2010 year marked the purchase price of the tank in 70 million rubles, while the cost of the new tank amounted to 118 million rubles. But at the end of 2011, the purchase of T-90 tanks for the Russian armed forces ceased. In September, the T-2011CM, a new expert version of the T-90 tank, was first publicly presented at the international arms exhibition 90.

Comments

[Alexander Romanov]

Why in the jungle tanks

[Su-9]

Expert versions are needed.

[sds555]

It turns out that the t-90 is turning into an export version with us, as the MO refused to purchase new tanks and will upgrade the existing t-72 to the t-72b3 level, somewhere around 200-300pcs per year. But this modernization does not reach the t- level 90, and it costs 56 million rubles, almost half of the new tank (as they defended the sides with a dynamic defense and the tower is tears, compare with the T-72b) Type MO is waiting for Armata, but until the OCD and Gos pass and the construction of 1500-2000 tanks will take a lot of time , and the troops will only have upgraded versions of the t-72, which are still inferior to the new t-90 (somewhere until 2020 gg at best) It turns out some kind of under-modernization of the t-72, compare how proud Yankees upgrade their Abrams

[Nayhas]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Why in the jungle tanks

So not only the jungle in Vietnam ... Yes, and the northern neighbor is very numerous and zealous, only tanks can be stopped ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Nayhas

And the northern neighbor is very numerous and zealous

Tanks will not help against the Chinese. We’re sitting on the site here and writing that if the Chinese women crawl without nuclear weapons they won’t get along.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Tanks will not help against the Chinese. We’re sitting on the site here and writing that if the Chinese women crawl without nuclear weapons they won’t get along.

Well, here the choice is not great:
1. Buy tanks, prepare the army for war with China, build defenses in the border region, partisan bases, caches ...
2. Do nothing and hope that the Chinese Communists will leave the Vietnamese Communists alone.
Apparently, the Communists of Vietnam are trying to work on the first option.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Nayhas

about the communists of China about

Quote: Nayhas

Communists of Vietnam

This is a joke

[Nayhas]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

This is a laughing joke

Well, you can laugh, but China is led by the Chinese Communist Party, and Xi Jinping is the Secretary General of the CPC Central Committee. Vietnam is led by the Communist Party of Vietnam, led by Nguyen Fu Chong - Secretary General of the CPV Central Committee.

[velikoros-xnumx]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

So, at least T 90, at least T 190, the Chinese will crush the crowds.

Hello Alexander. I don’t think that everything is so unambiguous. At one time, though not without the help of the USSR, he successfully opposed the United States and won. There are always chances. The point is not only the possibility of achieving a purely military victory, everything is clear that the potential of these countries is incommensurable. Vietnam can and he proved it to drag out the war and inflicts such damage on the enemy that the war loses its economic meaning.

[ka5280]

The war of Vietnam and China in 1979 showed the absolute incapacity of the Chinese army, the low morale of the Chinese soldiers. And over time, in China, fighting spirit became even worse.

[Roman 1977]

Dear Alexander, you see what’s the matter: the Chinese and Vietnamese have an ancient, I would even say, centuries-old enmity since the attempts to conquer Vietnam by the Chinese dynasties.
The Vietnamese even have a saying: "If you meet a cobra and a Chinese on the trail, kill the Chinese first, and then the cobra."
Therefore, the first thing that the Vietnamese did after the end of the Vietnam War, when the need for Chinese aid disappeared, was to evict all the ethnic Chinese, "Huyatsiao", who controlled almost all trade. And then they began to build their own micro-empire, which included Laos and Compuchia Pol-Pot, which was defeated by the Vietnamese army and until 1989 there was a 100 thousand Vietnamese military contingent in Cambodia.
Naturally, China did not tolerate such behavior, and in 1979 the Vietnam-China War, the first "socialist war", began. True, the Vietnamese People's Army was the most powerful army in Southeast Asia, having 34 years of experience in war with countries such as France, the United States, and even armed with modern Soviet weapons. The Chinese army, on the contrary, was weakened by the "cultural revolution", had no combat experience (the last major war, the Korean one, ended in 1953), armed with outdated weapons, military exercises had not been conducted for a long time, etc. Therefore, the Chinese had no choice but to use the tactics of "human waves". And all this taking into account the fact that the Chinese were mainly opposed by border guards and militias, since the main forces of the APA were in Cambodia, fighting the Khmer Rouge. At the same time, it is necessary to take into account the position of the USSR, which unequivocally hinted to China that it would intervene in the conflict in the event of further advancement of Chinese troops and arranged the supply of the latest weapons to Vietnam.

Nevertheless, armed border conflicts on the Sino-Vietnamese border flared up in the 1984 and 1988 years.
Now the situation has changed a little, however, Vietnam considers China its main adversary.

Vietnamese patrol ship HQ-011 Đinh Tiên Hoàng of project 11661E ("Gepard-3.9") and Chinese frigate Huangshan of project 054A. Gulf of Tonkin 20.06.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX

[svp67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Tanks will not help against the Chinese.

Already once the Vietnamese they helped in this ...

[alone]

Quote: svp67

Already once the Vietnamese they helped in this ...

it is not surprising that the tanks helped the Vietnamese. Half of the advancing Chinese infantry was armed with carbines. There is no need to compare the then and present China.

[Civil]

The Vietcong is alive! A good tank is always needed, but they already sold the Chinese in the "first socialist war", as well as Polpota

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Civil

but they already sold the Chinese in the "first socialist war"

Well, yes, only then did the Chinese army represent outright squalor.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Civil

The Vietcong is alive! A good tank is always needed, but they already sold the Chinese in the "first socialist war", as well as Polpota

The Viet Cong is no longer a cake, the fighting generation has grown old and no longer fighters, but the PLA has also changed not a cake, but in the opposite direction ...

[77bob1973]

Because the northern neighbor of Vietnam, has about several thousand tanks.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: 77bob1973

Because the northern neighbor of Vietnam, has about several thousand tanks.

Yeah, and also a powerful fleet, the largest army in the world, a bunch of planes and a half billion people. The T 90 must be bought by Vietnam along with shells equipped with nuclear warheads

[Hon]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yeah, and also a powerful fleet, the largest army in the world, a bunch of planes and a half billion people. The T 90 must be bought by Vietnam along with shells equipped with nuclear warheads

Vietnam, as an object of attack, the country is very unpleasant, the Americans guarantee ... It is more likely that the Chinese will have to use nuclear weapons to win.

[Scandinavian]

There is more maneuver in the jungle on the tank than in the same urban environment. So let our former allies renew their park.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Scandinavian

There is more maneuver in the jungle on the tank

Have you been in the jungle? In the jungle tank I saw a tank in taiga-this is out, it is difficult to come up with a more defenseless goal.

[Hon]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Have you been in the jungle? On the tank in the jungle I saw a tank in taiga, this is an out, it is difficult to come up with a more defenseless goal.

The jungle of Vietnam is not the taiga. It’s hard to get the tank from the air, natural disguise, ATGM also only at close range, but the problem is the Vietnamese soldiers.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Hon

Vietnam jungle is not taiga

Have you been to the Far Eastern taiga? This is a mixture of forest, jungle and the devil knows what else. A tank can only exist where there is a road, otherwise it will get up. In the Jungle all the more. They show it in movies beautifully, but in life it’s different.

[Hon]

At one time, seventy deuces were tested in the jungle of Vietnam, and they showed themselves very well there.

Here are old tanks in the jungle too

[Nayhas]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Have you been in the jungle? On the tank in the jungle laughing I saw the tank in taiga, this is an out, it is difficult to come up with a more defenseless goal.

Oddly enough, but heavy anti-tank self-propelled guns would be very useful for Vietnam to organize the defense of strategic nodes, but no one is already producing them ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Nayhas

heavy anti-tank self-propelled guns for the organization of defense of strategic nodes, but no one is already producing them ...

Who doesn’t produce strategic nodes

[Nayhas]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Who doesn’t produce strategic nodes laughing

Heavy anti-tank self-propelled guns.

[StolzSS]

There is not only the jungle. In Vietnam, there is a very difficult terrain where to use tanks with serious chances of success. But I think they need a maximum of 2 brigade sets plus heavy flamethrower systems and engineering vehicles ...

[makarov]

Vietnamese have long been working with Soviet armored vehicles, they know its pros and cons, this explains the choice.

[aksakal]

Quote: makarov

Vietnamese have long been working with Soviet armored vehicles, they know its pros and cons, this explains the choice

- they on it, Soviet technology, Americans bent well in due time, and the Chinese a little later Still, they shouldn't trust her ... Let them not even think about it - I stupidly arrived with a suitcase of money and an offer for Cam Ranh and load the coveted armored vehicles as much as needed. For this later, after 10 years, not earlier, it is possible to offer "Armata" ...

[Lyapis]

Vietnam was thinking about buying Russian T-90 tanks

What is there to think, here you have to buy!

[Valery Neonov]

Moreover, the base on Kamrani with our specialists.

[alone]

Quote: Valery Neonov

Moreover, the base on Kamrani with our specialists.

I don’t understand where does the base in Kamrani come from? Are you planning to deploy the t-90 on the basis of the Navy?

[valokordin]

Tanks in Vietnam were used by both the USA and China, and T-54,55,62 was used by Vietnam, including during the liberation of Saigon. And you about the jungle, Mr. Romanov.

[Same lech]

Vietnam is actively arming itself, our submarines are now going tanks.
It seems that the General Staff of Vietnam has calculated possible military operations with a conditional enemy.
The question is, who is this or these conditional opponents?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: valokordin

And you about the jungle, Mr. Romanov.

Yes, that was all, but now the time is different and I don’t know how tanks against China can help Vietnam. Although, frankly, I don’t give a damn, let them buy if they want, but not on credit taken from us.

[Vadim12]

With their average height, it will be very convenient for the crew, they can still run inside!))

[Same lech]

Yes, they will run there in a crowd-if about thirty people can squeeze a company of Vietnamese into a regular passenger car (the Vietnamese burrows taught them this good).

[svp67]

Quote: Vadim12

With their average height, it will be very convenient for the crew, they can still run inside!))

You will laugh, but when accepting tanks at the Kharkov plant, the Thai military complained about the lack of space in the T84 ...

[JonnyT]

Wow! Very glad......

Work in factories, money in the treasury, prosperity in the country. Vietnam is a developed country with a developed economy and industry, cooperation with them will only lead to benefits both economically and politically.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: JonnyT

Work in factories, money in the treasury, prosperity in the country.

The plant is already working on zita and gita. T 90 is exported, and the moderators themselves T 72. So why are you happy here?

[Sanr]

Quote: Nayhas

Quote: Alexander Romanov
Why in the jungle tanks
So not only the jungle in Vietnam ... Yes, and the northern neighbor is very numerous and zealous, only tanks can be stopped ...

want peace
get ready for war

[major071]

Vietnamese generally love everything Russian and weapons as well. I remember at the beginning of the 90's in our city there appeared a tuyeva hecha of Vietnamese. For a week from the shelves completely cleaned all aluminum and cast iron dishes. And then half the city walked in Vietnamese flip flops. Here is such a barter.

[kelevra]

In the right direction

[Roman 1977]

Well, well, the Vietnamese having bought 2005 T-480s of various modifications from the Poles in 72, decided to buy new tanks. This is pretty good. And the choice, they have especially little: the purchase of equipment from China is excluded for political reasons; in the West for financial reasons (except for a second-hand "Leopard-2", hardly anyone will offer the Vietnamese anything), but here there are new tanks, and even with a high probability that the contract will be completed on time (unlike neighboring Thailand) and without marriage ... True, the Israelis were in a hurry to modernize the Vietnamese T-54, installing 105-mm guns, dynamic armor and a new MSA on them.

Moreover, the Vietnamese have already begun to study the T-90 in India ...

And the Vietnamese remember our tanks, to whom they owe victory in the war and the unification of the country.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Novel 1977

in the West for financial reasons (except for a second-hand "Leopard-2" the Vietnamese are unlikely to be offered anything)

Yes, of course, there would be money and the Challengers would have fitted up the Leopradas ... Europe has no complaints against Vietnam, even the United States would have gone to meet the former adversary. Here it is more about personal claims and experience in operating domestic machines.

[Roman 1977]

Quote: Nayhas

Yes, of course, there would be money and the Challengers would have fitted up the Leopradas ... Europe has no complaints against Vietnam, even the United States would have gone to meet the former adversary. Here it is more about personal claims and experience in operating domestic machines.

And here we start - operating experience, maintenance and training of tankers
And who can offer something to Vietnam now. Vietnam is now armed with 2050 tanks according to Wiki:
480 T-72 - delivered from Poland in 2005 year
220 T-62
990 T-54 / 55, 330 of which is being modernized by the Israelis;

360 Type-59
770 light tanks:
150 type-63, Chinese clone PT-76 with 85-mm gun
320 type 62,

300 PT-76
100 Su-100
In stocks, in reserve-trophy American:
100 M-48 "Patton"
100 M-41

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Vietnam_People%27s_Ground_


Forces

Thus, more or less modern of them are 480 of the former Polish T-72, the first export modifications (M, M1).
What other countries can offer: China-canceled for political reasons (unresolved territorial issues-Paracel Islands, Spratly archipelago)
The USA - "Abrams", hardly the Americans, supply them to their allies (Saudi Arabia, Kuwait) or their puppets (Iraq);
Great Britain - "Challengers" - the British have already sold, there are only "Challengers-2" left, and even then there are not many of them, production has been discontinued, plus operational problems.
France - "Leclerc" - the same problems as with Great Britain.
Germany - "Leopard-2" - perhaps, but operational problems, new hardly, production stopped, rather second-hand like Indonesia.
Israel will not deliver the Merkava, at the moment it is helping to modernize the T-54, it may be involved in the modernization of captured American M-48
Ukraine - "Oplot", KHKBTM would have fulfilled a contract with Thailand for 49 vehicles, and nothing else to offer except the modernized Soviet T-64 and T-72.
Poland PT-91 "Tvyardy" is a modernized T-72 with Polish dynamic armor, especially since the Malaysians, who bought 48 of these machines, will have prolonged operation.
Therefore, the only country that at the moment can offer Vietnam a large batch of new tanks that meet the "price-quality" criterion, with the operation of which there will be no big problems, is Russia with the T-90

[Nayhas]

Quote: Novel 1977

Therefore, the only country that at the moment can offer Vietnam a large batch of new tanks that meet the "price-quality" criterion, with the operation of which there will be no big problems, is Russia with the T-90

For the sake of confrontation with the PRC, the United States has already begun a rapprochement with Vietnam, it hasn’t come to the sale of weapons yet, it's too early, so they really can’t see Abramsov. Of the remaining production of Leopard-2, the Germans easily slap them as much as necessary. But again, the Vietnamese are already accustomed to made in USSR ...

[Aaron Zawi]

As the T-54 does not upgrade, it T-90 is not a competitor. But the main thing is that 100 million Vietnam absolutely does not intend to go around under the northern neighbor. And for this I’m ready to not only buy weapons from the Russian Federation, but also the United States to forgive many sins.

[RuslanNN]

Quote: major071

Vietnamese generally love everything Russian and weapons, including

They then tested our weapons in combat against such a powerful enemy as America. And made sure which weapon is the best in the world.

[SkiF_RnD]

It makes no sense to directly compare the army of Vietnam and China. But wars are not always waged one-on-one (quite the opposite, as a rule, there are more than two participants). Start China's aggression, different coalitions may form. In the east, "USA-Japan-South Korea-Taiwan". On the continent, "India-Vietnam-Russia-Kazakhstan", actually "China-Pakistan", and so on. And what alliances will be relevant and active in the event of war is unknown. And Vietnam armed with the T-90S is much better than Vietnam with the T-55. And even more so with submarines, anti-ship missiles, S-300 and much more. So they need weapons, and how. Countries for which a possible war is not an empty phrase often choose simple and reliable Russian technology. These are not always Russia's allies, although Vietnam is just such a case. (this is because the possible purchase of tanks is hardly based on politics, without taking into account the performance characteristics of the product and cost savings)

[donavi49]

Vietnam is now collecting money, and in addition to the T-90 and other land, it wants to order another 8-12 Il-476. But recent contracts for Navy packages (RCA with X-35 and the production of these boats in Vietnam, 4xGeparda and a repair base in Vietnam, 636 boats and a new base in Vietnam, Bastion-P) have exhausted their capabilities.

[Roman 1977]

In addition to us, Vietnam is actively purchasing weapons in other countries:
an example with the T-72, purchased in Poland, I have already cited above; in addition, Vietnam purchased 11 light transport aircraft M28 Skytruck (analogue of An-28).
Israel purchases a rifle for the Marine Corps: Tavor TAR-21, Galatz sniper rifle and Ramta light armored vehicles, RBY Mk.1

In the Netherlands, two corvettes SIGMA 9814 were ordered (in the designation of the project, the number "98" means the length of the ship in meters, and "14" - the width), worth 500 million euros. The ships will be equipped with modern western weapons, and Thales Nederland will supply electronic weapons. The final contract should be finalized by the end of the year. The construction of one ship, presumably, will be carried out at the Damen Schelde Naval Shipbuilding (DSNS) in Vlissingen, and the second corvette, apparently, should be assembled in Vietnam at one of the Damen enterprises. The Damen Group is now playing a key role in the development of Vietnamese shipbuilding by participating in joint ventures in six Vietnamese shipyards, including the major Damen Song Cam Shipyard under construction in Haiphong. In total, it is planned to order 4 frigates of this type.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/600961.html

Exocet MM40 Block 3 anti-ship missile systems and VL MICA ship-borne anti-aircraft missile systems were ordered for these corvettes in France.
Weapons are purchased even from a former enemy of the United States: According to Jane's Defense Weekly, the government of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam is expected to formally request the US government to acquire six base Lockheed P-3 Orion patrol aircraft from storage. Prior to that, Vietnam purchased 6 DHC-6 Twin Otter patrol aircraft from Canada
Ukraine also participates in military-technical cooperation with Vietnam: the project of the Vietnamese artillery boat TT400TR (the lead boat - built in Vietnam HQ-272) was developed in Nikolaev under the code "Lan". Before the construction of the HQ-272 boat for the Vietnamese Navy, at the same Vietnamese enterprise Hong Ha in Haiphong, three boats were built according to the same project, but with weakened weapons (two 25-mm coaxial 2M-3M artillery mounts) for the Vietnamese coast guard ( naval police). The project was implemented in Vietnam with the mediation of Ukrinmash. Vietnamese boats are also equipped with the Kaskad radar system with the Delta-M radar.

Built for the Vietnamese Navy, the artillery boat HQ-272 of the TT400TP project under test, 2011 year
In 2009, a contract was signed with EADS Eurocopter for the supply of several EC225 and EC155 helicopters for the Vietnamese Navy; In the summer of 2008, a contract was signed with EADS for the supply of three C-212-400 base patrol aircraft. Vietnam has previously purchased 6 light SA-365N2 Dauphin helicopters and 8 AS-332L2 Super Puma transport helicopters and 2 helicopter patrol helicopters for the EC225 Super Puma Navy.

The first Vietnamese C-212-400 at the factory airfield in Seville on July 27 2011 of the year

[Padla]

why do they need our "coffins"

[yehat]

Quote: Nayhas

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Why in the jungle tanks

So not only the jungle in Vietnam ... Yes, and the northern neighbor is very numerous and zealous, only tanks can be stopped ...

not with tanks, but with machine guns and cartridges ...

[Don]

The Vietnamese Ministry of Defense is considering the possibility of upgrading the existing T-72 and the acquisition of new Russian T-90 tanks.

It is high time. And then T-55 and T-34 are still in service.

[Wiruz]

Gentlemen and comrades, my question is not the topic, but I still ask you to answer. The article mentions the T-90SM Tank, but in the "Military Secret" on Ren TV they somehow talked about the T-90MS, are these two different tanks or the same?

[Don]

Quote: Wiruz

Gentlemen and comrades, my question is not the topic, but I still ask you to answer. The article mentions the T-90SM Tank, but in the "Military Secret" on Ren TV they somehow talked about the T-90MS, are these two different tanks or the same?

Correctly T-90SM, this is an export option, for the ground forces of the Russian Federation T-90SM is called T-90AM.

[Don]

Quote: Wiruz

Gentlemen and comrades, my question is not the topic, but I still ask you to answer. The article mentions the T-90SM Tank, but in the "Military Secret" on Ren TV they somehow talked about the T-90MS, are these two different tanks or the same?

Correctly T-90SM, this is an export option, for the ground forces of the Russian Federation T-90SM is called T-90AM.