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Second An-148 for the Russian Air Force

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21 December The flight tests of the An-2013-148Е passenger aircraft built by Voronezh Aircraft Company (VASO, part of UAC) for the Russian Ministry of Defense began with the serial number 100-42 and began in Voronezh. 08 registration number.


This aircraft became the second, built under a contract worth 18 billion rubles for the supply of X-NUMX aircraft An-15-148 during 100-2013, signed by UAC with the Russian Ministry of Defense in May 2017. Under the terms of the contract, the military department must receive one aircraft in 2013, in 2013 and 2014 - four each, and in 2015 and 2016 - three An-2017.

The first aircraft built by VASO under this contract was the 12 September 2013, which took off in Voronezh, to board the An-148-100 September with the serial number 42-05 and the registration number RA-61718. He was handed over to the Russian Air Force during a ceremony in Borisoglebsk on December 6 2013. During the start of testing of this first aircraft, it was stated that VASO plans to use the option of early delivery specified in the contract with the military department, putting the An-2013-148Е aircraft to the Ministry of Defense in 100. However, the second An-148-100E aircraft under this contract (42-08) took off only on December 21 and is still on trial in Voronezh.

This 42-08 aircraft became the 21-m plane of An-148 built by VASO, and the sixth aircraft of this type, taken to the air in Voronezh in the 2013 year. He also became the 29-m aircraft of the An-148 / An-158 family as a whole (including eight units built in Ukraine).

Second An-148 for the Russian Air Force

The An-148-100Е (serial number 42-08, registration number 61721) is the second aircraft of this type, built by Voronezh Aircraft Company (VASO) for the Russian Ministry of Defense. Voronezh, 06.01.2014 (c) S-morkovka / russianplanes.net
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  1. kelevra
    kelevra 9 January 2014 12: 45
    31
    Cooperation with fraternal Ukraine is a very positive and right direction!
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 9 January 2014 12: 48
      14
      You do not need to lose communications, but you need to increase your capacities.
      1. Siberian German
        Siberian German 9 January 2014 19: 26
        +2
        let's be honest until the end - my opinion is better instead of 15bn with money for their bonds they are better at 15bn made orders for products from Ukraine, we would have tied them up even more with ourselves - but the money
    2. Civil
      Civil 9 January 2014 12: 55
      +4
      What do we get from Ukraine from an airplane? What are the warranties?
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 9 January 2014 13: 21
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        What do we get from Ukraine from an airplane? What are the warranties?

        Cooperation is cooperation, the project itself is not entirely Ukrainian, but rather Russian, and it is also being assembled with us, which means that the work is done by Russian engineers. Everything is OK, there are still capacities in Kazan for Antonov of a different type.

        What else can I say, the countdown went for the 2014 year, I recall that 2013 was a record year in the history of Russia, but there is still room for improvement.
        1. AVV
          AVV 9 January 2014 20: 18
          +2
          The most important thing is that Ukraine would not strive to Europe, then its Aviation kayuk will come, because in the west these cars are not needed !!! And we need!
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 9 January 2014 13: 53
        11
        Quote: Civil
        What do we get from Ukraine from an airplane? What are the warranties?

        1. The fuselage. From what currently accounts for the production of Russia, this is primarily the products of VASO (Voronezh Joint-Stock Aircraft Manufacturing Company). The Russian aircraft industry is producing the tail of the wing and the tail of the fuselage. The nose of the fuselage and the wing itself is made in Ukraine. In this case, the wing elements are partially produced at VASO, then the elements are installed at Antonov’s production, and then the finished wing is transported back to VASO, where the fuselage is finally assembled.

        In recent years, the share of VASO in the project has been steadily declining. On the one hand, this is due to the fact that the Antonov enterprise is developing the full production of the fuselage on its own. On the other hand, this is facilitated by the unwillingness of VASO to engage in similarly difficult technical production and the desire to switch to the final assembly of the aircraft (both AN 148 and modifications - AN 158). More precisely, presumably, the VASO problem is akin to the saying from the "Caucasian Captive" - ​​"I have a desire, but I have no opportunity." The personnel problem is likely to affect, but on the whole it can be assumed and not be mistaken that the reason is the unwillingness of the enterprise to take on additional risks, provided that the state is in no hurry with support and it is not about the money that is allocated in sufficient quantities. But more on that later.

        2. The engine is manufactured by Motor Sich. Although it is known that engine production for the AN 148 is initially the subject of cooperation between Russian and Ukrainian plants. However, if initially the engine-building enterprises shared this stage: UMPO OJSC - Russia, Salyut Federal State Unitary Enterprise - Russia, and Ukrainian Motor Sich (in the territory of which Progress ZMKB named after academician A. G. Ivchenko is located , which plays an important role in the development of engines). Today, according to the latest data, UMPO OJSC left the game, transferring its share of production of Motor Sich parts, leaving the Russian Salyut alone. At the same time, copyrights, as well as final assembly of engines, tests, engine assemblies, sales of finished products, implementation of modifications, development and repair, are all carried out by the Ukrainian side.

        3. Other. Aircraft is the most complicated product of modern industry. To disassemble its structure down to each screw is the task of more than one publication. Therefore, we will make a rough assumption and note everything else in the item “Other”. Among the most important: part of the avionics of the aircraft was developed at PJSC Aviakontrol. On-board navigation and landing equipment - manufactured by Kiev AOZT Ukrainian Scientific Research Institute of Radio Equipment, production of weather navigation radars is carried out by Buran-A, and the chassis by Ukrainian Yuzhmash.
        1. FID
          FID 9 January 2014 16: 26
          +5
          Quote: Vadivak
          The personnel problem is likely to affect, but on the whole it can be assumed and not be mistaken that the reason is the unwillingness of the enterprise to take on additional risks, provided that the state is in no hurry with support and it is not about the money that is allocated in sufficient quantities.

          I apologize, but ... the company wants to build airplanes (the UAC does not want to) what money is allocated to whom in sufficient quantities - this is a question. Kievans themselves will NOT be able to cope with the volume of production, and with us - the UAC ...
        2. Makarov
          Makarov 9 January 2014 22: 25
          0
          salutovskoe there "only" ESU ... and without "brains" it is a pile of metal ...
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 9 January 2014 13: 51
      +4
      Quote: kelevra
      Cooperation with fraternal Ukraine is a very positive and right direction!

      The plane is Ukrainian, but the money is Russian
      1. Cherdak
        Cherdak 9 January 2014 21: 23
        +4
        Quote: Vadivak
        The plane is Ukrainian, but the money is Russian


        This is it ...
  2. Hikar
    Hikar 9 January 2014 12: 46
    12 th
    Here explain to me why a passenger aircraft of the Air Force? to carry the generals?
    1. S-200
      S-200 9 January 2014 12: 50
      17
      Quote: Hnikar
      Here explain to me why a passenger aircraft of the Air Force? to carry the generals?

      carry military personnel RF Armed Forces in the vast expanses of the Motherland
      But what bothers you - speed and relative comfort of movement?
      will you order to drive around in "teplushkas" on business trips ??
      1. alone
        alone 9 January 2014 20: 04
        +2
        Quote: S-200
        to transport military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation across the vast expanses of the Motherland!


        For transportation, there are military transport aircraft. And this is a civilian aircraft. Consequently, the aircraft will be designed for senior officials of the Moscow Region and the General Staff. It will be too comfortable for a simple soldier in such an aircraft))
        And maybe they will. As they say, we hope that the soldiers will be lucky.
    2. REDBLUE
      REDBLUE 9 January 2014 13: 27
      +8
      And why does everyone think that our military should fly on transporters. Maybe it's time to change the strategy. After all, comfort is not alien to soldiers
      1. Nick
        Nick 9 January 2014 19: 54
        +1
        Quote: REDBLUE
        And why does everyone think that our military should fly on transporters.

        Need will force, and they will fly on transporters. In a special period, all sides are mobilized for the army ...
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 9 January 2014 13: 31
      +4
      Well donkeys, generals, officers, staff groups to transfer. Or do they need to go to Aeroflot, or order a charter to arrive to the exercises or deployment of troops?

      An-140 for the Navy, as well as the MTR, is eyeing them, but they need a RAMP. And the option with her is still at work.

      L-410 is also eyeing the MTR for the small transportation of officers / important cargo (document packages, etc.).
      1. Magellan
        Magellan 9 January 2014 13: 52
        +5
        Quote: S-200
        to transport military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation across the vast expanses of the Motherland!

        US military personnel deployed to Iraq aboard the S-17 Globalmaster military transport aircraft




        Globalmaster at Manas airbase, Kyrgyzstan, 2013
        You can see that dudes got tired after 12 hours in the air


        And the short-haul passenger An-148-100 for 75 seats with a range of 2200 km - only generals to carry
        1. S-200
          S-200 9 January 2014 15: 41
          +1
          Quote: Magellan
          US military personnel deployed to Iraq aboard the S-17 Globalmaster military transport aircraft

          Americans are not shy about transporting their troops and civilian sides ...
          I do not know the statistics, but for some reason it seems that the passenger flow of the US Air Force BTA is not much more than the air transportation of military personnel by other civilian airlines.
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 9 January 2014 13: 57
        +8
        Quote: donavi49
        Well donkeys, generals, officers, staff groups to transfer.


        For these purposes, it was his ancestor An-72 that was made. The first production aircraft An-72 were transferred to the VTA headquarters squadrons, where they earned the nickname "generals" - their main job was the transportation of staff workers on inspection flights. For this, the aircraft cabin was equipped with seats, and, as a rule, the command vehicle was loaded on board. The An-72 did not take root in the Airborne Forces - its carrying capacity and capacity did not allow placing military equipment on parachute platforms, and leaving the aircraft in the air was difficult due to the strong slope of the stream and wake jets behind the wing. There were problems with the retractable ramp, sometimes jamming when opening it in flight. In addition, the landing of airborne assault forces was expected to be massive, and the Il-76 and An-12 were better suited for this.
  3. Hikar
    Hikar 9 January 2014 13: 06
    0
    embarrassed by the quantity of 15 pieces ... earlier, as before, they cost a couple of carcasses
    1. major071
      major071 9 January 2014 13: 09
      +6
      An-148 is a short-haul narrow-body passenger aircraft. Designed by ANTK them. O.K. Antonova.
      The manufacturer believes that "the market demand for An-148 aircraft for the period up to the 2026 year is estimated at more than 500 aircraft."
    2. avt
      avt 9 January 2014 13: 15
      +1
      Quote: Hnikar
      embarrassed by the quantity of 15 pieces ... earlier, as before, they cost a couple of carcasses

      Yeah !? Do you know exactly the number of the same Tu 134 standing on the balance of the Ministry of Defense of the USSR and Russia, to whose place these go?
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 9 January 2014 14: 13
      +3
      Quote: Hnikar
      embarrassed by the quantity of 15 pieces ... earlier, as before, they cost a couple of carcasses

      A strange question, we have 1st place in the world in the number of generals.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 9 January 2014 15: 25
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        A strange question, we have 1st place in the world in the number of generals.

        Already, it seems no more. Serdyukov, at one time, the generals severely cut.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 9 January 2014 15: 41
          +3
          Quote: Russ69
          Already, it seems no more. Serdyukov, at one time, the generals severely cut.


          I presented the post-reform data in the RA: 1200 generals, in the USA 880 generals, 440 of them, exactly 50% strictly according to their law, are brigadier generals, that is, commanders of formations. We have a military secret. hi
  4. bistrov.
    bistrov. 9 January 2014 13: 15
    -5
    What is this 18 billion 15 aircraft? One aircraft more than a billion? Well learned to steal.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 January 2014 13: 17
      +5
      Quote: bistrov.
      What is this 18 billion 15 aircraft? One aircraft more than a billion? Well learned to steal

      And how much does your plane cost? Prices are more than normal for this aircraft.
      1. Magellan
        Magellan 9 January 2014 14: 13
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What is this 18 billion 15 aircraft? One aircraft more than a billion? Well learned to steal
        And how much does your plane cost? Prices are more than normal for this aircraft.

        18/15 = 1,2 billion
        $ 36 million for a short-haul airliner - that's fine

        The new Airbus A320 costs from $ 70 million, but the truth is mid-range and 2 times more capacious

        PS What happened to the Yak-42?
        1. FID
          FID 9 January 2014 16: 30
          +3
          Quote: Magellan
          PS What happened to the Yak-42?

          The aircraft plant in Saratov is completely closed. Those Yak-42, which have the prefix "D" - will be operated as ...
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 9 January 2014 19: 49
            +3
            Quote: SSI
            The aircraft factory in Saratov is completely and completely closed.

            The last Yak-42D aircraft was delivered to the customer in 2003.

            In 2009-2010, more than half of the plant’s territory was sold, together with buildings and equipment. As of 2011, there is a pit in this territory for the construction of an IKEA store. Cases, the central entrance of the plant, warehouses were demolished, unique equipment was sold or scrapped. The remaining half of the plant is empty and cut off from communications. Equipment is sold or scrapped. The fuselages of unfinished aircraft were cut and scrapped.
            1. FID
              FID 9 January 2014 20: 30
              +1
              Quote: Vadivak
              The last Yak-42D aircraft was delivered to the customer in 2003.

              In 2009-2010, more than half of the plant’s territory was sold, together with buildings and equipment. As of 2011, there is a pit in this territory for the construction of an IKEA store. Cases, the central entrance of the plant, warehouses were demolished, unique equipment was sold or scrapped. The remaining half of the plant is empty and cut off from communications. Equipment is sold or scrapped. The fuselages of unfinished aircraft were cut and scrapped.

              I probably answered too shortly. In your post - everything to the point. Only "Deshki" will fly if they find where to do heavy forms ...
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 9 January 2014 20: 36
                +3
                Seryozha hello again, the last Yak-42D, they tried to add the "salon" equipment in 2010.
      2. S-200
        S-200 9 January 2014 15: 35
        -4
        at the expense of 15 billion. $ Ukraine to us 80 An-124 will build
  5. URAL72
    URAL72 9 January 2014 13: 26
    14
    ShturmKGB
    You do not need to lose communications, but you need to increase your capacities.


    These An-148s are produced in Russia (if anyone has forgotten where Voronezh is), but more importantly, there is nothing like this for the Russian Air Force in the country. The Superjet is more expensive, and its military version does not exist at all. An is equipped with the Ukrainian D-436 engine, there are many such engines (and their earlier versions) in Russia - they are also installed on the Be-200. The design is high-wing, this expands the possibilities of operation from unprepared and unpaved airfields. On the question “why carry so many passengers, generals?” I answer: - maybe you yourself will go to polar airfields on dog sleds, huh?
  6. Vadim12
    Vadim12 9 January 2014 13: 35
    +5
    Nice little plane you need. Only now, with this European integration, Ukraine would not refuse the engines taught by bitter experience after all already. It would not hurt to establish production at 100% by ourselves.
    1. rolik2
      rolik2 9 January 2014 16: 30
      +2
      And what are the facts of supply disruption under Russian contracts?
    2. rolik2
      rolik2 9 January 2014 16: 30
      0
      And what are the facts of supply disruption under Russian contracts?
      1. SV
        SV 9 January 2014 22: 43
        0
        after Euro-integration there are a lot of such signs: ?????????????
    3. Alekseev
      Alekseev 10 January 2014 20: 21
      0
      Quote: Vadim12
      But Ukraine wouldn’t refuse engines with this European integration,

      How to refuse engines?
      And close your production? request lol (and the share of "Salut" in them is 30-40 percent)
      Set, Motor Sich directs all efforts so as not to refuse. yes
      Here the production of the middle part of the fuselage, which was supposed to be made in Ukraine, had to be mastered in Voronezh, although now, according to rumors, this problem has been solved in Kiev.
      But, actually, the percentage of participation in this project is determined by economic benefits, this is not a strategic project. About 50/50. Various politicized calculations with pictures are walking on the Internet, which are sometimes made by people who are very far from the true state of affairs. But this does not change the essence; the production of this very good machine lives on.
  7. ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 9 January 2014 14: 02
    -1
    It would be better if the ILs built. Why a plane that can only carry passengers, and besides a bunch of foreign parts?
  8. rocketman
    rocketman 9 January 2014 14: 03
    0
    Quote: Vadim12
    Nice little plane you need. Only now, with this European integration, Ukraine would not refuse the engines taught by bitter experience after all already. It would not hurt to establish production at 100% by ourselves.

    I think they will not even be able to refuse. And no one can - the failure of the Maidan showed.
  9. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 9 January 2014 14: 10
    +1
    Good news! It's a little expensive, of course, but the assembly can get cheaper. Our now flying trash needs to be changed for a long time, you can pinch off the funding from Poghosyanovsky "Super ....."
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 9 January 2014 15: 01
      +6
      Good day to all hi

      quote-21 December 2013 year in Voronezh began flight tests of the second passenger aircraft An-148-100Еbuilt by JSC Voronezh Aircraft Building Company (VASO, part of JSC UAC) for the Ministry of Defense of Russia - aircraft with serial number 42-08 and registration number 61721.
  10. operator35
    operator35 9 January 2014 14: 40
    +7
    Quote: REDBLUE
    And why does everyone think that our military should fly on transporters. Maybe it's time to change the strategy. After all, comfort is not alien to soldiers

    in transporters, one big plus-item and bk can be entered through the ramp quickly and without particularly straining. once flew on a Tu-154 on a business trip, it was something ...
    throwing boxes with bk and backpacks in the luggage compartment of the plane was far from easy
    about comfort, the IL-76 never bothered me personally, I got up, walked around, smoked on the ramp, sat in the "glass" of the navigator, and so the landing
    and the fact that new planes are entering the troops will be a huge plus, they definitely won’t be superfluous, with the BTA big problems, don’t let the Almighty begin to boil, there aren’t enough boards, so we’re happy with the news))
  11. propolsky
    propolsky 9 January 2014 14: 41
    +2
    There will be enough work for him in the troops, and besides the generals and Ukraine, it is necessary to build together, the best policy is the economy, and there are so many details on the plane that you can call it purely Ukrainian or Russian with the greatest exaggeration, I’m sure that there are European and American things there, especially in avionics.
  12. 120352
    120352 9 January 2014 14: 47
    -8
    And the airplane - to hell! Short-haul is not for Russia. He will have to fly from St. Petersburg to Moscow via Novgorod and Tver. The speed is the same as that of a turboprop, i.e. only if you do not need to hurry anywhere you can use it. The number of seats - well, there is also Dry Super Trash 100. The engines are located low, which means that unpaved strips (and we have sooo few others) do not suit it. There was, I remember, the "Cheburashka" IL-72, it seems that all the parameters are better and the engines are higher. We must give it up! We need a new type of aircraft. With a speed not lower than the Gulf Stream 650 (1000 km / h), with its own comfort, but with a lot of seats. Yes, and ONE TOILET FOR 85 PERSONS - this is, excuse me, according to what sanitary standards?
  13. svp67
    svp67 9 January 2014 15: 37
    0
    It's nice when the plans are fulfilled ...
  14. moremansf
    moremansf 9 January 2014 15: 51
    +1
    Two fraternal Slavic people, what to share ??? Integrated economy, plus the community of the nation - let's live together and for the good of each other !!!!!!!
  15. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 9 January 2014 16: 23
    +7
    Quote: 120352
    And the airplane - to hell! Short-haul is not for Russia. He will have to fly from St. Petersburg to Moscow via Novgorod and Tver. The speed is the same as that of a turboprop, i.e. only if you do not need to hurry anywhere you can use it. The number of seats - well, there is also Dry Super Trash 100. The engines are located low, which means that unpaved strips (and we have sooo few others) do not suit it. There was, I remember, the "Cheburashka" IL-72, it seems that all the parameters are better and the engines are higher. We must give it up! We need a new type of aircraft. With a speed not lower than the Gulf Stream 650 (1000 km / h), with its own comfort, but with a lot of seats. Yes, and ONE TOILET FOR 85 PERSONS - this is, excuse me, according to what sanitary standards?

    Speed ​​850 and much higher, this is not a fighter. The range of 4400 is quite decent for an aircraft of this type when you consider that it is enough for him to have an airfield of the type in a very normal aircraft.
    1. FID
      FID 9 January 2014 18: 40
      +6
      Entirely and completely +! From St. Petersburg to Madrid, to Barnaul, Novosibirsk ... This is An-148-100V (a / c Russia). An-148-100E - from Krasnoyarsk to China (a / k Angara). Airplane hell to him - God forgive me ...
  16. Leshka
    Leshka 9 January 2014 17: 12
    -1
    let it fly to health
  17. DPN
    DPN 9 January 2014 17: 17
    +3
    Quote: kelevra
    Cooperation with fraternal Ukraine is a very positive and right direction!


    Only if it comes to unification, otherwise there is nothing, strategic production should be in RUSSIA, otherwise there will be a collapse as in the 90s. Dependence on third countries should be minimal, RUSSIA is still a self-sufficient country in terms of raw materials, for that in general they don’t like us.
  18. Alekseev
    Alekseev 9 January 2014 19: 37
    +3
    Quote: 120352
    And the airplane is to hell!

    Quote: 120352
    It is necessary to refuse it!

    First you need to give up your own incompetent fabrications and it’s going, people will reach for you! wink
    In particular, the statements: "He will have to fly from St. Petersburg to Moscow via Novgorod and Tver." (the actual range is 2100-4400 km),
    "Speed ​​like a turboprop", (actually 800-850 km / h),
    "The engines are located low, which means that unpaved lanes (and we have sooo few others) do not suit him." (in which airport of the provincial city is this dirt strip ?, And the plane, by the way, is a high-winged plane)
    There was, I remember, the "Cheburashka" IL-72 (what kind of IL-72? You confused, Dad!)
    "We need to give it up! We need a new type of plane. With a speed not lower than the Gulf Stream 650" (Gulf stream business class aircraft for 11-18 passengers, what is the hell with a finger? And its speed is 900 km / h, not much different )
    Yes, and ONE WC for 85 people - this, excuse me, what are the sanitary standards?
    (there are two toilets, except for one, or two modifications)
    not true so a splash of slag. request yes
  19. APASUS
    APASUS 9 January 2014 20: 01
    0
    And almost no one noticed a line about temporary execution!
    . According to the terms of the contract, in 2013 the military department should receive one plane, in 2014 and 2015 - four, and in 2016 and 2017 - three An-148 each.

    Here's a real answer to the question: What is going on in the KLA? We produce two aircraft per year ............
    1. FID
      FID 9 January 2014 20: 48
      +6
      I’ll try to explain a little ... Superjet is my favorite (I don’t know what) is the brainchild of MAP (M. A. Poghosyan). And An, for him, is a competitor with higher operational characteristics (range, possibility of operation at ALL aerodromes, etc.). Therefore, in order not to give regional a / k the opportunity to buy the An-148, but to force them to buy imported equipment, VASO is loaded with the State Defense Order, with all the consequences (a solid price for several years, often lower than the cost - I can’t say, but ..., impossibility disruption of the supply plan, and further, and further ...). Due to the lack of commercial orders, the small volume of output - money at the plant - you yourself understand how much. Hence the small composition of workers and the impossibility of increasing output. And this is not only at VASO. At KAPO the same thing, people are leaving Aviastar (Ulyanovsk) ... At Yak-242 (MS-21) .... This is the second superjet, it’s unlikely that we will wait before 2019 ... Sadly, it would be super flying in Russia would be sold, so the IAC issued a memorandum where it says that the super is designed with errors. But Rogozin said that in super we swelled so much state money that we would bring this creation to mind ... Something like this.
  20. waisson
    waisson 9 January 2014 20: 27
    +1
    the second one is not enough, I think he will leave for the next army leadership and join the ranks of the members
  21. SV
    SV 9 January 2014 23: 12
    0
    Why is the range of TU, ​​YAK and IL not developing ??? Though harder, but mine, because last year's events showed that it is impossible to rely on Ukraine 100%.
    (look at the comments to the articles where Ukraine appears: the words "brotherly people", etc. are written mainly by those with the flag of the Russian Federation)
  22. Cristall
    Cristall 10 January 2014 02: 03
    +1
    Quote: SV
    last year’s experience showed that one can’t rely on Ukraine 100%.

    What aviation related events hindered the hope of Ukraine? The meeting of Lviv deputies?
    maybe because ANTK say the best design bureau for civil aviation in the CIS? Although this is debatable ... but the Antonovites do not stand still.