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The US Navy warship dissolves before our eyes due to an error in its design.

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The US Navy warship dissolves before our eyes due to an error in its design.

In 2011, the US Navy detected “aggressive” corrosion around the coastal warship engines “LCS Independence”. The problem was so significant that the vessel, which was barely a year old, had to be put on dry dock to replace entire parts of its hull.


As it turned out, the 125-meter warship actually disappears before our eyes due to one miscalculation in its design. For him, even have their technical name - "galvanic corrosion." Civil scientists call it electrolysis. This occurs when two dissimilar metals, after electrical contact with each other, begin to corrode at different rates.

“This means that the metal dissolves completely, and not just rust,” an analyst writes on the Independence problem. fleet Raymond Pritchett.

It should be said that the fate of the Coastal Combat Ship (LCS) series is not easy. For example, the US Navy has not yet completed the key tests of their combat suitability, which causes a lot of controversy - and will not finish before the 2016 year. However, by this time, American taxpayers will have already paid for the purchase of 24 ships that are already under construction under the terms of the military contract, while the Fleet will start preparing for the purchase of the next batch, aiming for the planned number of 52 ships.

At the same time, the fate of the three planned "operational modules", which are actually replaceable sets of equipment, turns the LCS on demand into a minesweeper, a submarine hunter, or a platform for fighting small vessels. The first of these, the most difficult and most critical, will not even enter the phase of the initial limited trials before 2014, but by this time the US Navy will have already purchased four of them. By the time the complete mine sweeper completes all tests in 2018, the Fleet will have already purchased at least 13 ships.

From the point of view of the US Navy, Independence and other coastal warships are unique. In fact - uniquely cheap. Each ship is expected to cost less than 400 millions of dollars - compare that with the more than a billion dollars worth of a larger destroyer of the Arleigh Burke class.

To ensure such a low price, a lot of things were removed from the design of the ship - including, for example, guns of the main caliber. And something called the “Cathodic Protection System”, which is designed to prevent electrolysis, has been added to the list of these remote parts.
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  1. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 9 January 2014 12: 36
    +37
    The hope that the entire US fleet will dissolve itself ... Russia will not be able to catch up with the number and quality of ships in the near future ...
    1. Canep
      Canep 9 January 2014 12: 56
      +34
      ShturmKGB
      Russia will not be able to catch up with the number and quality of ships in the near future ...

      And it won't. Britain in the days of naval domination adhered to the principle that its fleet should be slightly larger than the fleets of the 2nd and 3rd sea powers combined. The Americans have a different principle, they feel safe if their fleet is twice as large as all the navies of the world put together. They love to cut money no less than our Serdyukovs. On RT today I read: "The US Congress ordered NASA to complete the construction of an unnecessary structure worth $ 2 million" - http://russian.rt.com/article/350
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 9 January 2014 13: 28
        +13
        Quote: Canep
        The Americans have a different principle, they feel safe if their fleet exceeds in 2 times all the military fleets of the world combined.


        The point is not security, but the desire to lobby and justify the huge military budget. They will build a ship, and then still contain it. Today, even if the United States stops building new ships and other units, then a relatively smaller, but still gigantic amount will go to maintain the readiness of all existing ones. Which opens up great opportunities for rospil, as you rightly noted.
      2. 77bob1973
        77bob1973 9 January 2014 20: 10
        +3
        And we have a principle such that the fleet is not needed, because ships do not go by land.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 9 January 2014 12: 56
      +12
      ShturmKGB
      ..to catch up with the number and quality of ships in the near future Russia could not

      With the intensive reduction of the US fleet, we will not only catch up, but also overtake the adversary. winked
      1. Canep
        Canep 9 January 2014 13: 03
        +10
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If only the printing press broke

        Greetings Alexander hi The Fed's printing press won't help if the Chinese get bored with the US antics of exporting democracy to underdeveloped countries. As soon as the interests of the United States come into conflict with the interests of China, the United States can be given up. As soon as the Chinese throw dollar assets into the market, it will be like in the song "Goodbay America ..."
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 9 January 2014 13: 08
          +11
          Quote: Canep
          As soon as the interests of the United States conflict with the interests of China, the United States can be put an end to.

          Hello Sergey! I think as soon as a new reserve currency (yuan) of dollars appears, it will be possible to glue the toilet. Oh, it would come true winked
          1. Canep
            Canep 9 January 2014 13: 36
            +7
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            . Eh, would come true winked

            The question is not whether it will come true or not, the question is when? After this financial apocalypse, they will cut your pension, but they will not stop paying, but I can be left without work.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 9 January 2014 13: 43
              +4
              Quote: Canep
              but, they will cut your pension, but they will not stop paying, but I can be left without work.

              And that it drove me to pensioners belay
              1. Canep
                Canep 9 January 2014 14: 10
                +1
                Since you write about the service in the fleet in the past tense, it is logical to assume that you are now retired. Well, moonlight as a moderator on topvar.
          2. ka5280
            ka5280 9 January 2014 15: 44
            +4
            And what is provided for Yuan? At least the army of the matrasland stands for the dollar, and what for the yuan?
            Yuan does not even need Venezuela, it conducts barter deals with China.
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco 9 January 2014 13: 49
          +9
          As if the United States did not make us all Goodbye. They use new banknotes only for some reason the color is blue, and for internal use, why would it? So, no matter how they fucked us all, in the next two years.
          1. Canep
            Canep 9 January 2014 14: 14
            +2
            Quote: Sirocco
            So, no matter how they fucked us all, in the next two years.

            If they do, then their blue bills will cost the same as green ones. Oil suppliers will change natural resources for waste paper. And without oil, they are "Goodbay America ..."
          2. ka5280
            ka5280 9 January 2014 15: 47
            +1
            But this is easy. It will be like In the USSR in 1991 with an exchange of money. And all who do not have time to exchange old money for new ones in 2 hours will have a pale appearance.
          3. jjj
            jjj 9 January 2014 19: 39
            +3
            Cash liquidity does not play a special role, except in third world countries. Money is electronic now. They do not even need to be printed. Just add zeros on the Fed server
        3. ka5280
          ka5280 9 January 2014 15: 42
          +3
          I fundamentally disagree with you here. The economy, especially its production component, is organized in China in such a way that they curse with the owners of patents for the death of China. The withdrawal of production frauds from China back to America has long been discussed in America itself and is beginning to take place little by little. So China, this is a mega-bubble bloat and nothing more.
        4. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 9 January 2014 16: 33
          +4
          Quote: Canep
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          If only the printing press broke

          Greetings Alexander hi The Fed's printing press won't help if the Chinese get bored with the US antics of exporting democracy to underdeveloped countries. As soon as the interests of the United States come into conflict with the interests of China, the United States can be given up. As soon as the Chinese throw dollar assets into the market, it will be like in the song "Goodbay America ..."


          Here is the link, who and how much is investing billion. And what is the dynamics from month to month. we see that many countries, even allies, are buying back bonds less and less and only at the expense of China and Japan is it somehow still possible to maintain a balance.

          http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt



          Look at months from right to left
          China bought 1 trillion .304 billion. 50 million.
          Japan 1 trillion. 174 billion; 40 million

          Total of 17 trillion debtsUSA owes countries 5 trillion 653 billion 50 milliondollars.
        5. jjj
          jjj 9 January 2014 19: 36
          +2
          But the most paradoxical thing is that the Chinese at the end of 2013 of the year also bribed American papers for a huge amount
    3. Vasia kruger
      Vasia kruger 9 January 2014 13: 17
      +21
      Engineers who made a mistake are presented to government awards, the Order of Lenin, and the military red ....))))
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 9 January 2014 13: 35
        +5
        Quote: Vasia Kruger
        Engineers who made a mistake

        Rather, the teachers at universities were our people! And the standard control of technical docs and drawings was abolished ... bully
        Most likely, the way it is!
      2. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 9 January 2014 17: 56
        +4
        Quote: Vasia Kruger
        Engineers who made a mistake

        Engineers are out of business. They also designed the "cathodic protection system". BUT the states have Serdyukov ^ 4. So he is our employee who was awarded a government award and an extraordinary promotion in rank.
        Something called the “Cathodic Protection System”, which is designed to prevent electrolysis, also got on the list of these removed parts.
      3. Nick
        Nick 10 January 2014 08: 22
        +1
        Quote: Vasia Kruger
        Engineers who make a mistake are presented to government awards, the Order of Lenin,

        AHA, their photos were placed on the FSB's honor board ...
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 9 January 2014 13: 59
      +4
      ShturmKGB
      The hope that the entire US fleet will dissolve itself ... Russia will not be able to catch up with the number and quality of ships in the near future ...


      Help is needed. It’s not even necessary to participate directly. Just pay for the right solutions, such as removing a key structural element.
    5. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 9 January 2014 16: 11
      +4
      ShturmKGB
      The hope that the entire US fleet will dissolve itself ... Russia will not be able to catch up with the number and quality of ships in the near future ...

      Quantity and quality? Which is better, two coastal "cutters" for 800 million dollars, or the Mistral helicopter carrier for the same money?
      I hope that this program will not be shut down in time and will be invested until the loss of pulse, as well as in various "zumwalts". This will "benefit" the whole world.

      The superiority of the US fleet over the fleets of all other countries is obvious to everyone and in the near future this situation will not fundamentally change. But you need to be realistic and understand that everything should have a goal. It makes no sense to simply support super-expensive projects without prospects for their people.
      Why does the USA need these ships and in such numbers? These are not warships, but patrol ships. But in the world there are much cheaper and more functional ships of this class. It turns out the situation with "Bradley". Super expensive junk that can't handle any task. What to do with the crew if you change combat modules? To retrain? Or should the crew be able to solve all possible tasks, regardless of what is installed on the ship? Storage warehouses, technical staff for installation. These are all expenses. The ship looks futuristic, but what's the use?
      He has high speed, up to 50 knots, but he does not tolerate unrest at sea above 3 points and has a cruising range of 1600 km at that speed. What is the combat radius? How about a pleasure boat?
      So, in domestic ekranoplanes, indicators are an order of magnitude better and the view is much more futuristic.
      In general, let them build until they break. Even against China, these boats will not come in handy.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 9 January 2014 22: 34
        +2
        Quote: Gluxar_
        Even against China, these boats will not come in handy.

        These are the ships of the littoral zone! What kind of China can we talk about? If only in the docking chamber of the UDC or lighter.
    6. dimon-media
      dimon-media 9 January 2014 17: 13
      +4
      ShturmKGB
      The hope that the entire US fleet will dissolve itself ... Russia will not be able to catch up with the number and quality of ships in the near future ...

      And you don't need to catch up with them. A direct conflict between Russia and the United States in the use of conventional weapons is excluded. If this happens, then you can be sure it will develop into a nuclear disaster. Neither side will simply be able to accept defeat in a conventional battle without the use of weapons of mass destruction. During nuclear strikes between our two countries, both sides will somehow have parallel how many destroyers, aircraft carriers, etc. I have always believed that the United States needs an army of numerous combat units only to sow "democracy" in third world countries or where no one can answer against their huge fleet or army. I think it is unnecessary to voice the list of countries.
    7. pvv113
      pvv113 9 January 2014 19: 34
      +6
      HELP AMERICANS HELP bully
    8. varov14
      varov14 9 January 2014 19: 48
      0
      “And in the list of these removed parts there was also something called“ Cathodic protection system ”, which is designed to prevent electrolysis.” - I wonder whose service threw the Americans so, specifically someone annoyed.
      1. crambol
        crambol 9 January 2014 20: 42
        +1
        Quote: varov14
        It is curious whose service they threw so Americans, specifically they annoyed someone.

        If you think that fools are a privilege of Russians, then you are mistaken!
    9. AVV
      AVV 9 January 2014 20: 07
      0
      But still, the more dissolved, the better for us !!!
    10. alone
      alone 9 January 2014 20: 28
      +4
      ShturmKGB
      The hope that the entire US fleet will dissolve itself ... Russia will not be able to catch up with the number and quality of ships in the near future ...


      And to be honest, while D. effective managers will be operating, it is unlikely that this will change.
      Wherever the foot of the effective is entered after them there is only such a panorama
      1. ka5280
        ka5280 9 January 2014 20: 45
        +2
        In Latvia, all plants look like this, after gaining independence. P.S. for that, Latvians are the best in the world: they sing and dance.
      2. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 9 January 2014 21: 23
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        Wherever the foot of the effective is entered after them there is only such a panorama

        I could not stand the competition, it happens.
        Car center in Kaluga
    11. alex-defensor
      alex-defensor 9 January 2014 21: 35
      +1
      And there are problems with the F-35 ... I have a feeling that someone is directly sabotaging the United States ... isn't it ours, together with China ... when all these problems are bothering, the United States can provide without the latest fighter jet (that meets modern requirements) and without coastal ships ... And how much dough have been drunk on the crazy venture with a laser? ... and with a new spacecraft, many predict problems ... True, the US government will most likely give space to private business .. . it hurts "in their language" ...
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  2. Canep
    Canep 9 January 2014 12: 38
    +12
    So he is invisible, made using stealth technology, so he disappears (gradually) from the radar. It seems that the designers studied at the University of North Carolina. They know about BDSM, but they have not heard about galvanic corrosion. Looks like there is a large copper (brass, bronze) part in contact with sea water in the ship. Galvanizing the housing can solve the problem.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 9 January 2014 12: 41
      +2
      they have the same trouble with corvettes, there was an article not so long ago about this ...
      1. patsantre
        patsantre 9 January 2014 16: 56
        0
        Who do they have? Amers do not have corvettes in service ...
    2. Alez
      Alez 9 January 2014 12: 47
      +2
      The printing press will solve the problem. They will print a couple of billion and paste over their boat from 2 sides. They will not forget about themselves, a couple of billions will go to Rospel with the American military-industrial complex.
    3. Armata
      Armata 9 January 2014 13: 18
      +6
      Quote: Canep
      So he is invisible, made using stealth technology, so he disappears (gradually) from the radar. It seems that the designers studied at the University of North Carolina. They know about BDSM, but they have not heard about galvanic corrosion. Looks like there is a large copper (brass, bronze) part in contact with sea water in the ship. Galvanizing the housing can solve the problem.
      The issue is not only in copper-containing alloys. If two dissimilar metals, such as steel and aluminum, are in constant contact. Even without exposure to aggressive media (sea water), they begin to corrode, as a result, the intrusion process (replacing the molecules of one material with another) is accelerated due to the difference in the potentials of the materials. The question here is not dissolution as such, but the replacement of molecules while maintaining the crystal lattice.
      1. Canep
        Canep 9 January 2014 13: 31
        +3
        For galvanic corrosion, according to my information, in addition to the contact of two metals, an ion conductor is needed - an electrolyte. The principle is like in a volt cell, we dunk copper and zinc (in our case iron) into the electrolyte, we get the potential difference between the plates, we close the circuit, and we have zinc current and oxidation. In the air, this process is also going on, but very slowly. And judging by the scale of corrosion of American ships, the process was very intense, that is, metals were in the water.
        1. Armata
          Armata 9 January 2014 13: 36
          +4
          Quote: Canep
          For galvanic corrosion, according to my information, in addition to the contact of two metals, an ion conductor is needed - an electrolyte.
          Not only seawater, but also the same alkaline suspensions in the air can act as an electrolyte; salts in the microdispersed state (the same air suspensions) can also serve this. Sea water just speeds up the process. And believe galvanizing will not help, this is just a delay. Well, the coating process itself is too expensive.
          1. Canep
            Canep 9 January 2014 13: 41
            +2
            Quote: Mechanic
            Sea water just speeds up the process.

            Well, I'm about the same. drinks Similarly, fiery water accelerates mutual understanding.
          2. Rus2012
            Rus2012 9 January 2014 13: 42
            +1
            Quote: Mechanic
            the same alkaline suspensions in the air, salts in the microdispersed state (the same air suspensions) can also serve this.

            ...Well, of course!
            Therefore, we have one of the points - standard tests of even elements and assemblies of marine technology in the so-called. "sea fog" laughing
            1. Armata
              Armata 9 January 2014 18: 21
              +1
              Quote: Rus2012
              Therefore, we have one of the points - standard tests of even elements and assemblies of marine technology in the so-called. "sea fog"
              Not quite right. The tests are carried out in a "fog" with a content of 17% salt (acid). This is a more aggressive environment. More precisely, it is called salt fog.
              1. military
                military 10 January 2014 10: 11
                0
                Quote: Mechanic
                Not quite right. The tests are carried out in a "fog" with the content of 17% salts (acids). This is a more aggressive environment. And more precisely, it is called salt fog.

                interesting "solutions" you have, colleague ... saturated ... I would even say - "vigorous" ... laughing
                "The solution for creating a fog is prepared at the rate of (50 ± 3) g of sodium chloride (NaCl according to GOST 4233) per 1 liter of distilled water."
                GOST RV 20.57.306-98 (clause 5.12.4)

                "The concentration of the brine should be (5 ± 1)% by weight (5 parts by weight of salt is dissolved in 95 parts by weight of water)."
                GOST R 52763-2007 (clause 4.6.1)

                hi
      2. Andrey57
        Andrey57 9 January 2014 13: 37
        +25
        As it turned out, the 125-meter warship actually dissolves before our eyes due to one miscalculation in its design. For him, even has its own technical name - "galvanic corrosion."


        I have never heard anything more stupid than similar "technical" terms !!! fellow Dear Mechanic, there is no "substitution of molecules while preserving the crystal lattice":
        firstly, metals in alloys do not have any molecules, but are in an atomic state
        secondly, there is no substitution in the crystal lattice
        thirdly, there is the most elementary galvanic pair, in other words, the accumulator, when one electrode dissolves in the electrolyte, causing ion charge transfer.

        The dissolution of the mattress ship is not a design mistake, but a lack of knowledge of chemistry and physics at the level of the 8th grade of the Soviet school !!!! Who does not believe can verify this in the chemistry textbook for grade 8, paragraph "Galvanic cell" wink the only difference is that in the textbook a pair of copper - iron is considered, but a pair of metals determines only the potential difference on the electrodes of a galvanic cell. And for this calculation of the voltage in a galvanic pair of metals in any class, a series of metal tension hung above the periodic table in every chemical office, in every school !!! And this very dissolution is an indicator of the catastrophic degradation of engineering personnel in mattress !!!
        Even in simple course projects with various alloys and metals in a structure without anode protection, the project was considered a failure; protection did not count!

        This degradation of engineering personnel will soon await Russia, if there is no revival of the former Soviet education system, and very soon hi
        1. gridasov
          gridasov 9 January 2014 16: 00
          +2
          We can only add that the polarization processes of various galvanic pairs are not limited only to the intensity table. With an increase in the velocity of any body, the outflow surface is polarized relative to the medium. That is, on the one hand, the magnetic force processes of interaction form the water-air casing polarization, and on the inside of the casing - all related parts. The engine itself, propulsion and all other equipment are sources of potential. Therefore, it is obvious that knowledge is not enough, this is first. And I think that there are very acceptable solutions to these problems.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 9 January 2014 23: 01
            +1
            Quote: gridasov
            There are very acceptable solutions to these problems.

            There is! 1. Tread protection. It's rude: Mg-Al ingots overboard the ship. The sea eats them, not the hull (Everything is on a scale of electrochemical tension of metals).
            2. Varnish-colorful and polymer coatings. In this, the Japanese have succeeded like no one else.
            3. Composite materials in the construction of the ship's hull. We already have up to 1000 tons of displacement.
            4. Titanium. But it is extremely expensive, even for US-erov. But the Soviet Union-built!
        2. Armata
          Armata 9 January 2014 19: 23
          0
          Quote: Andrey57
          firstly, metals in alloys do not have any molecules, but are in an atomic state
          secondly, there is no substitution in the crystal lattice
          thirdly, there is the most elementary galvanic pair, in other words, the accumulator, when one electrode dissolves in the electrolyte, causing ion charge transfer.
          It depends on which alloy. And not a single alloy can be in an atomic state. It would simply fall apart into its constituent elements. Any alloy is formed on the basis of a small-size lattice (skeleton). And the alloys then contain a certain number of molecules of each element, proportionally inscribed in the composition of the lattice, which has unbreakable bonds. But the processes occur at the atomic level. And the processes of extrusion and intrusion (displacement and substitution) occur at the atomic level, but primarily concern the small-molecular structure.
      3. crambol
        crambol 9 January 2014 20: 51
        0
        You are right, but here there is a dissolution due to stray currents, since the body is cooked from one material.
        Our ship docked in Klaipeda. Length - 167 m
        two-thirds of the hull on both sides were magnesium treads of a meter long. So in places of maximum concentration of stray currents, treads with a section of 18x30 cm were completely dissolved within three years from launching!
    4. Fin
      Fin 9 January 2014 13: 21
      +5
      Quote: Canep
      Galvanizing the housing can solve the problem.

      No need to tell them.
      1. Canep
        Canep 9 January 2014 13: 23
        +6
        I will not repeat
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 9 January 2014 13: 44
        +4
        Quote: Fin
        Galvanizing the housing can solve the problem.
        No need to tell them.


        ... toko gilding! laughing bully
        1. Canep
          Canep 9 January 2014 14: 07
          +10
          Quote: Rus2012
          ... just gilding! laughing bully

          Here all prompts, the country of councils damn. Gold will only accelerate the corrosion process. But congressmen will like this idea, two birds with one stone are killed at once, an excuse appears about where the gold of Germany went, and after a year ships will need to be ordered again, again drank dough.
    5. Maschbauer
      Maschbauer 9 January 2014 13: 42
      +1
      Quote: Canep
      Galvanizing the housing can solve the problem.


      let them make everything out of titanium. It also does not rust. (Sarcasm) Galvanizing the entire body is not real. (expensive and technical implementation for such large structures is problematic) Cathodic protection would be, in my opinion, the most optimal option.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 9 January 2014 14: 32
        +2
        Quote: Maschbauer
        Cathodic protection

        Cathodic protection will distort the magnetic picture of the ship (demagnetization yoptit!) :))))))
        We have to consider three-dimensional problems in which the Yankees of the 5 are not even strong ...
        1. Armata
          Armata 9 January 2014 18: 27
          +1
          Quote: Rus2012
          Cathodic protection will distort the magnetic picture of the ship (demagnetization yoptit!) :))))))
          We have to consider three-dimensional problems in which the Yankees of the 5 are not even strong ...
          Why are you all wound up with gilding, cathodic processing. Let's make ships from ST40X12. You can make surface heat, and it is resistant to aggressive environments, and costs a little cheaper than solid gold. laughing Better yet, restore the formula Putilovskogo ship iron.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 9 January 2014 23: 48
            +1
            Quote: Mechanic
            Better yet, restore the formula Putilovskogo ship iron.

            Yes, but with such weights you can’t give the speed in 50! Further, the increase in speed will be due to forcing the power of the power plant.
    6. jjj
      jjj 9 January 2014 20: 01
      +1
      I dare to suggest that these screws worked on the body. About thirty years ago I served on boats made of aluminum-magnesium alloy. So Goodrich’s sleeve was bronze, the screw itself and the shaft were steel. And in the underwater part of the transom were attached two small bars of material somewhat reminiscent of stone. So they did not allow a reaction to develop
      1. Armata
        Armata 9 January 2014 20: 15
        0
        Quote: jjj
        two small bars made of stone-like material
        More precisely, this is mica slate. And so right, this is a stone.
  3. Siberian19
    Siberian19 9 January 2014 12: 39
    0
    God forbid that we do not save
  4. sds555
    sds555 9 January 2014 12: 41
    +4
    Latest stealth technology in action - ship the invisibility of the future !!
  5. major071
    major071 9 January 2014 12: 42
    +7
    Saved, damn it ... fool Now repair and alteration will stand in a round sum.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 9 January 2014 13: 33
      +1
      Quote: major071
      Now repair and alteration will stand in a round sum.

      ... uh ... here you can’t do the repair! Materials to select and change! laughing
      1. fedorovith
        fedorovith 9 January 2014 15: 07
        0
        Or maybe they’re so conceived, well, the fight against unemployment, I drank a little ...
  6. kelevra
    kelevra 9 January 2014 12: 43
    +4
    They are trying to make some fantastic ships and as a result, the existing hardware becomes unusable, debts are above the roof, but they themselves stupidly follow the principles of the Cold War; overtake Russia in everything possible! Only now the time of races has passed, now precise technologies The Americans with their entire army, in terms of numbers, have already driven themselves into a dead end. It is necessary to get rid of old technology to free up funds for the development of a new one, and the fear that "Russia will attack" forces us to make a new one and leave the old one.
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 9 January 2014 17: 03
      +1
      Quote: kelevra
      overtake Russia in everything you can!


      Do not make Russia laugh. In many ways, they are far ahead. And their troops have tasks, concepts and doctrines that are fundamentally different from ours, it makes no sense to compete with us at all.
      1. 1c-inform-city
        1c-inform-city 9 January 2014 23: 41
        +1
        In many ways, namely, in the development of mind-blowing budgets and the development of funds for advertising unfinished things.
  7. awg75
    awg75 9 January 2014 12: 45
    +2
    it’s good that their entire fleet dissolves
    1. sub307
      sub307 9 January 2014 14: 52
      0
      Of course good. It will be just like ours, almost - there is nothing to dissolve.
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  8. makarov
    makarov 9 January 2014 12: 45
    +3
    God forbid the Russian fleet to save on such "little things"
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 9 January 2014 13: 31
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      God forbid the Russian fleet to save on such "little things"

      this is not a saving, but a decline in the professionalism and competence of designers!
      In short, the first or second course of materials science at the university ... and norm control in the design bureau
      1. ka5280
        ka5280 9 January 2014 17: 16
        +2
        Now engineers and designers are practically not allowed to manage large companies, everyone is being run by marketers and financiers. And for this public, cathodic protection on a sea ship is a waste of money.
  9. ssergn
    ssergn 9 January 2014 12: 51
    +4
    Fine, Mlyn, Fine laughing laughing laughing
  10. Hikar
    Hikar 9 January 2014 12: 51
    +3
    tanks with planes would still do that
    1. jjj
      jjj 9 January 2014 20: 18
      0
      Rain is contraindicated for new US aircraft
  11. Wedmak
    Wedmak 9 January 2014 12: 56
    +7
    The United States and its allies constantly make one big mistake: they begin to build a series of equipment at a time when individual samples are just being tested. This is absurd. The result is huge redesign and patching costs.
  12. JonnyT
    JonnyT 9 January 2014 12: 56
    +4
    glory to American education! wassat
    The one who approved the project and built the ship of the navarnik in college (or in the university) went to BDSM courses .... since such a repair of a new ship is very similar to masochism laughing
  13. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 9 January 2014 13: 07
    +3
    They said the same - invisibility, that’s becoming invisible little by little :)
  14. Prinse
    Prinse 9 January 2014 13: 15
    0
    The joke is real
  15. Rus2012
    Rus2012 9 January 2014 13: 24
    +7
    As it turned out, the 125-meter warship actually disappears before our eyes due to one miscalculation in its design. For him, even have their technical name - "galvanic corrosion." Civil scientists call it electrolysis. This occurs when two dissimilar metals, after electrical contact with each other, begin to corrode at different rates.

    Get out!
    Yes, this is not a miscalculation ... but the complete incompetence of designers and designers!
    The designers even have an item to check the compatibility of materials and "for a galvanic pair"! And even at the test stage in the "marine environment" such a hawk had to get out!

    Even on the F-22 and F-15, similar erosion of the bodies took place ...
    What can I say ... 3,14ndos they really are ... If they knew then they had steal everything for a long time!
  16. donavi49
    donavi49 9 January 2014 13: 29
    +4
    This is an old problem of Independence (project General Speaker) and the entire series. So far, they have corrected it by banal reinforcement of the places built by Independence and Colorado (that is, a couple more sheets of metal have already been screwed on top and that's it), as well as by recounting the ships under construction, which will receive such a patch right away and it will look more cultural. They are developing a radical solution to the problem, but so far there is nothing.

    LM rivals with Fried have already stepped up lobbying - to give them the entire LCS order. After all, in their ships there are no such troubles wink .
  17. Dyukha Siberian
    Dyukha Siberian 9 January 2014 13: 41
    +4
    the neighbor's "cow died" is a small thing, but nice)))) laughing
  18. Enjoy
    Enjoy 9 January 2014 13: 50
    0
    Quote: donavi49
    This is an old problem of Independence (project General Speaker) and the entire series. So far, they have corrected it by banal reinforcement of the places built by Independence and Colorado (that is, a couple more sheets of metal have already been screwed on top and that's it), as well as by recounting the ships under construction, which will receive such a patch right away and it will look more cultural. They are developing a radical solution to the problem, but so far there is nothing.

    LM rivals with Fried have already stepped up lobbying - to give them the entire LCS order. After all, in their ships there are no such troubles wink .

    So the problem is not with the brand of the manufacturer, but with the material, which in ships of the same model should be the same in theory. Or what will prevent an existing manufacturer from changing material?)

    Although I would not be surprised if at the same time the ship loses stealth, or speed, or strength - the Americans love such a financial bdsm))
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 9 January 2014 13: 55
      +1
      There is no harm only on the trimaran from the State Duma and the entire lineup - where high technical novelty was originally laid.

      LM used classic materials with a special coating, as well as the classic shape of the ship's hull. Therefore, now the Freedom series is even ahead of schedule, but the Independence series has been slowed down for revision (who is already finished patched and who is being finalized by design).

      The project fell with great technical risk, the project is traditional - it feels good.
  19. demon184
    demon184 9 January 2014 13: 51
    +2
    Designers awarded the Order of Lenin for his contribution to the fight against decaying imperialism and the US military.
  20. itr
    itr 9 January 2014 13: 55
    +3
    I didn’t understand what the design has to do with chemical processes
    1. jjj
      jjj 9 January 2014 20: 21
      0
      Their design also refers to the entire structure, including a set of hulls and skin
  21. 1goose3
    1goose3 9 January 2014 13: 59
    0
    Quote: Canep
    So he is invisible, made using stealth technology, so he disappears (gradually) from the radar. It seems that the designers studied at the University of North Carolina. They know about BDSM, but they have not heard about galvanic corrosion. Looks like there is a large copper (brass, bronze) part in contact with sea water in the ship. Galvanizing the housing can solve the problem.


    It will help if you disassemble, galvanize each part and reassemble on a new one. lol
  22. Committee
    Committee 9 January 2014 14: 04
    0
    I examined the ship. Very interesting dish. The layout is well thought out, with a compact size the ability to take large aircraft, stability is commendable. And about corrosion, well, as in a saying - you wouldn’t chase pop for cheapness!
  23. novobranets
    novobranets 9 January 2014 14: 13
    +2
    America, as always, is "ahead". Warship soluble without sediment cool. laughing
  24. rpek32
    rpek32 9 January 2014 14: 20
    +1
    Just add water. Lol
  25. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 9 January 2014 14: 27
    +1
    Wait and see, it will be a shame if the Yankees quickly find a technical solution to the problem and the performance characteristics will not be affected! And they build quickly!
  26. Zomanus
    Zomanus 9 January 2014 14: 44
    +2
    Damn, weld this protection garbage question. So enthusiasm and mockery are premature.
    1. sub307
      sub307 9 January 2014 14: 57
      0
      Well yes. And metals to "untie" galvanically, so that a "pair" is not created. To figure it out, the road will be mastered by the walking one. It's good for someone who doesn't make a fig, including those who don't build such ships - they will definitely not be mistaken.
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  27. individual
    individual 9 January 2014 15: 01
    +2
    The "genius" of the American Dream coined a new Navy term - dissolve.
    "From point A to point B, a warship set off.
    I didn’t reach the destination - it was dissolved in the deep sea.
    Das Ist Fantastisch! "
  28. Corsair
    Corsair 9 January 2014 15: 02
    +1
    Quote: from article
    And the list of these removed parts also included something called the “Cathodic Protection System”, which was designed to prevent electrolysis.

    This "SOMETHING" has long been known to our shipbuilders, everywhere using PROTECTION SYSTEMS in practice to eliminate (minimize) the effect of galvanic corrosion.
  29. Altona
    Altona 9 January 2014 15: 18
    +2
    Quote: Canep
    They know about BDSM, but they have not heard about galvanic corrosion. Looks like there is a large copper (brass, bronze) part in contact with sea water in the ship. Galvanizing the housing can solve the problem.

    ---------------------------------
    The problem will be solved by SWEET SIXTEEN, come running and singing about the huge technological superiority of the USA, about the overwhelming use of composite materials (I wonder where they are here?) ... I directly read through his sagas about the F-22 and F-35, where he promotes light power with illustrated comments Empire of Goodness, though it is possible to put a list of expected jambs and glitches under each illustration ... Is something really wrong with chemistry, they don’t study the hydrogen row at all, or is the orgasm more important?
    The Chinese have it for sure, the Stokes number depends on the installation of the party, as the party says, laminarity will correlate with turbulence, engineers will run with rulers, change the angle of the blades ...
    1. patsantre
      patsantre 9 January 2014 17: 10
      +1
      In fairness, I note that although Oleg is biased in many of his articles, his sympathies (or dislike) for any technique are not caused by the state of ownership of this technique. He similarly omits the US surface fleet (especially the aircraft carrier, and the berks fell under distribution) but at the same time idolizes submarines.
  30. Shurale
    Shurale 9 January 2014 15: 32
    +1
    In my opinion, our UTB were still on a goldfish
  31. moremansf
    moremansf 9 January 2014 15: 46
    +2
    It looks like the Chinese were building !!!! It is very similar to their cars !!!!!!!
  32. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 9 January 2014 16: 02
    +1
    It seems that in the holds, the Americans brought the reagent to Russia, to sprinkle the Moscow Ring Road.
  33. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 9 January 2014 16: 41
    +2
    lol
    Quote: Rus2012
    Quote: Fin
    Galvanizing the housing can solve the problem.
    No need to tell them.


    ... toko gilding! laughing bully

    For the money that they have already swollen in them, they must be gilded, both outside and inside.
  34. Leshka
    Leshka 9 January 2014 17: 16
    +2
    Yes, and they teach us chimuth
  35. understudy
    understudy 9 January 2014 18: 21
    +1
    Good news! fellow
  36. ed65b
    ed65b 9 January 2014 18: 53
    +1
    Same story with the ranger.
    1. Armata
      Armata 9 January 2014 19: 00
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      Same story with the ranger.
      And it belongs to BMW. laughing
      1. dry off
        dry off 10 January 2014 09: 04
        0
        Range Rover is owned by Tata Group.
  37. Proud.
    Proud. 9 January 2014 19: 06
    +1
    From the point of view of the US Navy, Independence and other coastal warships are unique. In fact - uniquely cheap. Each ship is expected to cost less than 400 millions of dollars - compare that with the more than a billion dollars worth of a larger destroyer of the Arleigh Burke class.Well, I don't know. I read an article earlier in another source. I found it, I quote: "...In addition to high speed, Freedom and Independence have not distinguished themselves yet. Is that a frantic increase in value. Ships of type Freedom now cost $ 640 million, and type Independence - $ 704 million. And this does not include the price of modules... ". And here's another:" ...The antisubmarine module is supposed to be presented to the fleet by 2016. And each, according to the US Congressional Research Service, will cost $ 200 million, that is, almost as much as was previously allocated for the construction of the entire ship ..."
  38. vvp2412
    vvp2412 9 January 2014 19: 06
    +1
    Such news is good news. They don’t fly airplanes, ships don’t float, but they stand on the docks and it’s all prohibitively expensive!
    Fine! :)
  39. Altona
    Altona 9 January 2014 19: 15
    +3
    Quote: patsantre
    He similarly lowers the U.S. surface fleet (especially the carrier fleet, and the berks fell under the distribution), but at the same time adores the submarines.

    -----------------------
    It makes no difference to me ... It's just iron, and so far it is controlled by a man, not artificial intelligence, but in clumsy hands and a glass penis ... By the way, they have the same cant on airplanes ... I couldn’t find a source about F-22 with a joint in seals ...
  40. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 9 January 2014 19: 31
    0
    Most likely not around the engines, but around the propellers (screws). And the cathodic protection has been known to the whole world for a very long time. The guys simply missed.
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  42. Altona
    Altona 9 January 2014 19: 47
    0
    http://topwar.ru/4089-ssha-opravdyvaetsya-za-otsutstvie-istrebitelya-f-22-v-sost
    ave-vvs-koalicii.html
    --------------------
    And then I read it in fact ... The article is simply old for 2011 ... Here it’s just about the jambs on the Raptor that it was told, and about corrosion too ...
  43. clidon
    clidon 9 January 2014 20: 02
    0
    They will return the protection, repair the corroded places and the news will exhaust itself. As it was with the corrosion of the same F-22. Who will remember what the panels changed for?
  44. Altona
    Altona 9 January 2014 20: 13
    +1
    Quote: Andrey57
    And this very dissolution is an indicator of the catastrophic degradation of engineering personnel in mattress !!!

    --------------------------------
    Why so cool? Or maybe not a ship company won the design contract, but some innovative weaponry, and they did not see this problem at all ?? Or maybe the contractor could not make the original or put some garbage to reduce the cost?
  45. APASUS
    APASUS 9 January 2014 20: 26
    0
    Each ship is estimated to cost less than $ 400 million — compare with the more than the billionth price of a larger Arleigh Burke class destroyer.

    Where do these numbers come from?
    When I heard that money simply didn’t go there, but 400 Lyamov. I rummaged a bit and the money there is completely different, but I think it’ll become scary to look!
    The cost of building each of the ships - Freedom and Independence - was not disclosed, but, according to The New York Times, by the end of April 2008 it already exceeded $ 500 million. The cost of additional combat modules is not included in the main cost of the ship.
    The US budget for 2009 provides for about 1 billion dollars. for the construction of the third and fourth ships of the LCS project. [
  46. jagdpanzer
    jagdpanzer 9 January 2014 20: 31
    0
    unclear! How can I forget the cathodic protection station ??? nonsense is some kind of engineers they have by no means.
  47. Manul
    Manul 9 January 2014 20: 52
    +1
    The headline simply monstrously cuts the ear entering into complete dissonance with elementary physics and a literary syllable, but I want to read the essence. You become a hostage of your interest, and a chance to run into a complete crap. Okay, this time I’m lucky .. All the same, all the most interesting in the comments. Our heroes will stretch any article.
  48. Arkan
    Arkan 9 January 2014 21: 12
    0
    Haste is needed when catching fleas and e ... another's wife.
  49. avg
    avg 9 January 2014 21: 54
    +1
    They say that rejoicing in the misfortune of our "partners" is somehow not Christian, but I still feel so good in my soul. yes
  50. Makarov
    Makarov 9 January 2014 22: 28
    0
    In short, a competent project has become a stub ... it often happens with us too ... the truth is much less common in a military commissar ...