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Vodka, Putin and Don Cossacks: German political analyst told about the Russian image in Germany

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Vodka, Putin and Don Cossacks: German political analyst told about the Russian image in Germany17-18 December 2013 was held in Tallinn, the capital of Estonia, at the International Human Rights Forum Symposium. Among the participants of the event was a German political scientist Dmitry Stratievski. The report presented by him at the forum was called: “Vodka, Putin and Don Cossacks. Cliche "Russia" and "Russian" in the German information space. " In the report, the author sounded a lot of facts that allow to draw a conclusion about the excessive politicization of the German media when it comes to Russians and Russia.


D.Stratievski:

- In 2008 in Charlottenburg Palace in Berlin, an unusual exhibition was shown called “Our Germans are our Russians”. The exposition was devoted to the prejudices and stereotypes that are inherent in German society in relation to the “Russians” and “Russians” in relation to the Germans in the two-century period 1800-2000. The newspaper Zyuddoyche Zeitung noted with irony: “The exhibition highlights the clichés that are deeply rooted in our creation with regard to Russians: Russians love and know how to drink, they are generous and constantly suffer from the oppression of their rulers.”

Due to the great success of the exhibition, one of the largest sociological agencies in Germany conducted a survey on the attitude of the Germans to the Russians and Russia. 86% of respondents reported that they are interested in events in Russia, of which 40% are actively interested and 46% less active. The difference between age groups is clearly evident: among those older than 60, 53% of respondents are very interested in what is happening in Russia. In the 18-29 group, those are only 18%. 84% of respondents admitted that the image of Russia in the view of the average German is full of stereotypes. But at the same time in the answers to the questions themselves confirmed the stereotypes.

So, the respondents at the mention of Russia have the following associations: a huge country 96%, social inequality 90%, honoring 87%, powerlessness 65%, etc. Particularly surprising was the fact that despite such a high percentage of people interested in the events in Russia, 42% of respondents still associate Russia with a planned economy. At the mention of Russian, such images appear: alcohol use 90%, hospitality 88%, courage 78%, “Russian soul” 65%, loyalty to the government 62%. In assessing the political regimes in Russia, 68% of Germans believe that Gorbachev's perestroika was the best time for Russia.

Very interesting were the answers to the latest research questions. 45% of Germans are of the opinion that the image of Russia in Germany is rather negative than positive. 51% of respondents expressed disagreement with the image of Russia presented in the German media and would like to receive more information from other sources. Only 36% believe that modern Russia is objectively represented in the German media space.

Beg a short excursion into history. Fear of Russia and Russians are not new to Germany. To some extent, it united the right and left in the 19 century — the first third of the 20 century. The liberals feared the image of the “gendarme of Europe”, the conservatives believed that “barbarous and huge Russia” was dangerous for Germany in military-political and cultural terms. Oswald Spengler stated: "Russia is Asia."

The German historian Gerd Koenen, author of the book “The Complex of Russia. Germans and East 1900-1945 ”, published in Munich. He called the 4 complex, which formed the cliché: domination, inferiority, fear and imperial spirit complexes. In the circles of intellectuals, nobility and officers ply so-called. "The Testament of Peter the Great", in which Peter I allegedly left to his descendants detailed instructions for the phased conquests of the whole of Europe over the next two centuries.

The German historian Peter Jan draws a parallel between this text and another fake - the anti-Semitic Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which are very similar. Further, Yang writes with reference to the First World War: “There is no doubt that the image of the enemy was attributed not only to Russia. Other opponents of Germany, England and France, were also hit by propaganda. But in the information war against Russia there was one, only an intrinsic feature of it: the struggle against the Russians seemed to be a battle against Asian barbarism. The victory of Germany was to mark the victory of European civilization. ”

We see a clear coincidence with the period of another world war, the rule of the Nazis. I will not dwell on Hitler’s Russophobia. Only two observations.

1. Gottfried Feder, now forgotten by one of the first key theorists of the Nazi Party, commenting on the 1927 party program, pointed out to "enemies of Germany" who, by definition, "cannot love her," even if they live in the country. There were Russians in the list, the Communists in brackets. And this is despite the fact that approximately the 150-thousand-strong Russian community of that time consisted of almost 100% of white emigration, which by definition was not communist.

2. The Russophobic caricature of a supposedly “typical Russian”, published in 1915 in the quite respectable newspaper Tagesblatt, was exactly repeated in 1942 on the covers of a series of brochures “Untermensch”, which was published by the SS.

In the post-war FRG in the context of the Cold War and the confrontation of the two systems, politicians and journalists have repeatedly used the image of the enemy in the person of Russian to create a certain effect among the population. The election poster of the CDU 1953 of the city depicted a caricature image of a Red Army man with a sickle and hammer on his cap, looking across the horizon. The inscription read: All roads of Marxism lead to Moscow. So vote for the CDU! ”

With reference to modern Germany, I would like to consider separately clichés and stereotypes regarding Russia and Russians / other residents of the post-Soviet space, associated by the majority of Germans with the concept of “Russians” and with respect to the Russian-speaking diaspora in Germany. Although there are many parallels.

Russia and Russians. Negative images in the German media are closely related to the political sympathies and antipathies of a significant part of the German elites. In the 90 years, Yeltsin and his administration were perceived positively in Germany. Accordingly, the negative connotation of Russia was the poverty of the population and, as a consequence, the need for assistance from Germany. In the midst of the August financial crisis 98, the Berlin newspaper "BZ" published on the first page some photographs of Red Square and grandmothers in the food queue. The headlines read: “Hunger in Moscow. Winter is coming. Should we Germans save Russia? ”

It should be noted that a.) Despite the severe impact of the economic crisis in Moscow, there was still no hunger, b.) Winter, a battered cliché associated with the cold and Russia, was not very suitable for August, c.) There was no question of financial aid to Russia , the leadership of Germany and Russia at the time of publication of the newspaper did not discuss anything like that. Nevertheless, the reader was already given a “duck” and negative emotions were implicitly suggested.

In the beginning-middle of 2000, the wealth and rudeness of the “new Russians” became the leitmotif of many publications. In 2008, the magazine Stern, which cannot be called tabloid, placed on the cover photos of caricature men with overweight in gold chains surrounded by no less caricature beauties in bikinis. Title: “Russians are coming. How Russians take their places from the Germans on the beaches. ” An extensive article cited only negative reports of drunkenness, bad language, defiant behavior of the “Russians”, because of which both German tourists and resort hotel owners suffer.

The prosperity of Russian tourists is also blamed for them, and in a very original way: “Russians come to the beaches where our Germans rested. They are willing to pay more than others. As a result, German tour operators no longer get profitable contacts at good hotels. And prices are rising everywhere. ” Also, the Russians are to blame for the fact that there are many of them: “Recently, the number of Russian tourists has increased by 70%. The Germans do not have time to take good places on the loungers by the pool or on the seashore. " True, it should be noted a large number of critical reviews from readers.

Finally, today the media is dominated by the politicization of almost any issue related to Russia. There is a “Putin Russia” stamp, Putins Russland, which has already become a stable phrase, although the use of similar formulas does not apply to other states. Spiegel: “The State of Gazprom. Putin's Energy Empire ”Di Zeit repeats the phrase twice in one paragraph of an article on political repression in Russia, October 2013:“ Putin's Russia. At first you are “uncomfortable”, then you go to jail. But political repressions in Putin’s country can be brought not only to prison ”(The fate of Khodorkovsky was in mind).

Many significant events in the life of Russia are also called Putin’s events: summits, sports events, for example, the Olympics in Sochi. Stern Magazine, August 2013: “Homophobia in Russia. How the whole world is outraged by Putin’s Olympics. ” The MDR channel in December 2013 showed a documentary about Sochi called “Putin’s Games”. It should be noted frequent attempts to link any non-political event with politics.

An interview with Peter Frey, the editor-in-chief of the second state channel TsDF, devoted to the future coverage of the Olympics, was published recently. The first question was not entirely related to sports:

“Question: - How difficult is it to report criticism from a country like Russia?

Answer: - It is easy if there are journalists who can do it. We have three correspondents in Russia. We reported on Pussy Wright, on violations of human rights, on opposition politicians. All this plays an important role for us. As the owner of the rights to broadcast, we will try to make the reports about the Olympics interesting. But journalism obliges us to talk about problems in construction, about expelling the local population, about environmental problems. We have already reported this, we will continue to report it, moreover, more widely. Question: Is it necessary to make political accents during the broadcast of a sporting event? Answer: We do not want to spoil the spectator holiday sports. But we see the tension of the conflict in Russia. Sure, these are Putin’s games. ”

Perhaps, one can definitely name two areas free from politics. These are reports about the Russian nature on the German counterparts of the Discovery Channel and folklore, primarily associated with the great popularity of the Don Cossacks choir headed by the late Ivan Rebrov, who, by the way, was actually called Hans Rolf Rippert and he was not Russian.

Russian-speaking diaspora in Germany

In Germany, about 4 million Russian-speaking people currently live, only in Berlin more than 230.000. This is the largest emigrant diaspora in the country. Nevertheless, the media rarely pay attention to the Russian-speaking. If the plots and go, then they also manifest certain stereotypes. A positive trend is a gradual departure from the generalized image of the “Russian”, which is important due to the fact that representatives of 80 nationalities from the post-Soviet space reside only in the German capital. However, in the press and on TV there is practically no information about the success story of Russian-speaking migration.

According to the report of the Federal Office for Migration and Refugees for 2013, the two largest groups of Russian-speaking, German immigrants and Jewish immigrants, are highly educated, well integrated, and have a low level of unemployment. However, in television reports and newspaper articles the emphasis is on negative examples, mainly crime. Moreover, despite the primacy of tolerance in German society, the publications indicate the national or linguistic affiliation of offenders.

Basic cliches:

A.) Alcohol abuse, propensity to violence. Regional newspaper Helmstedt, February 2007.: "Drunk Russian Germans laid siege to a gas station." Radio Memmingen, December 2009. Drunk Russian German beat a cyclist. The largest newspapers in Germany afford a very unfounded generalization. "Di Zeit", October 2006 g: "For a long time, the Russian Germans were considered silent emigrants. Today, their sons are heading violent crime lists. Their actions are completely unmotivated and extremely cruel. ”

B.) Moral depression, poverty, unwillingness to learn German. Over the past 12 months, two main German TV channels, bearing the reputation of TV for intellectuals, ARTE and Phoenix, have shown stories about Russian-speaking immigrants. One of them (December 2012) tells the story of a young Russian German, Dmitry, who, as stated in the story, “is stuck between two worlds, Russia and Germany, is morally depressed and cannot find a place in life.” In another documentary film (2013 broadcast in May), the life of Russian-speakers in a small town in a residential area was presented. It is very persistently pointed out the lack of knowledge of the German language (all interlocutors, except one, speak Russian with translation), poverty (recipients of social benefits, clients of the social store of free products). Pictures of a visit to a Russian cultural center and a joint performance of songs are offered as a “positive” fact.

Final conclusions

In Germany, there is no controlled or nested Russophobia. There are no social restrictions based on nationality, country of origin, or membership of a particular culture. German society has a high degree of tolerance, the political model does not require loyalty to the titular nation. Many Russian speakers are very successful in Germany. Non-objective stories about Russia, politicization or selective reflection of certain events are the product of the desire of journalists to follow the mainstream, which does not exclude their own conviction that their position is correct. Cliches and stereotypes largely continue to live. An effective means of fighting them is an information transfer, the contact of Russian-speaking activists with the country's leading media.
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  1. AVV
    AVV 9 January 2014 13: 15
    +14
    What is good for the Russian is death for the burgher !!! And it is not by chance that the Germans think that they were well under Gorbachev, this should be good for the Russians too !!! Gorbachev, the weakest of the leaders of the USSR! A traitor to his interests! With his help there was a decline in this formation! Well, who began to live better because of the collapse of a larger country? Balts, Ukrainians, or other parts of a larger country? Not at all, everyone began to live even worse, except for small groups of elites of these states, and all kinds of crooks from business! Yes, and the Germans now live much worse than they were two decades ago! Therefore, now and not without the help of the states on the territory of the former Warsaw block and The USSR is in the process of redrawing Europe, and here our interests are not at all the same as those of Europe and the states! So, the struggle is still ahead !!!
    1. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 9 January 2014 15: 31
      +18
      Quote: AVV
      What is good for the Russian is death for the burgher !!!


      Honestly, I am generally surprised at our historical relations with Germany. At first they fought in the First World War, then they were friends and they built with their machines, then they again fought, then they were friends again, but in their own way, along the Berlin Wall, then again there was a scandal with the withdrawal of our formations from East Germany, with the arrival of Putin, so our relationship is again quite affiliate.

      It seems to me that although we are different nations, we are great in our own way, and complement each other in Europe.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 9 January 2014 16: 33
        +17
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        It seems to me that although we are different nations, we are great in our own way, and complement each other in Europe.


        It’s this that we strive to prevent the Anglo-Saxons from constantly pushing us together with their foreheads. Otherwise, a kapets will come to their world hegemony ... It’s amazing that the Germans will catch myself thinking how they brought one grief and suffering to a family and ancestors, and to the country devastation is no longer such a negative as to some compatriots from the former Union with whom our grandfathers fought together against a common enemy and now some seek to behave worse in Russia than the invaders. Or our handshake intelligentsia that screams about the Holocaust but fiercely hates the Russian people who saved it from Nazi stoves shoulder to shoulder, along with their own ancestors by the way. This is surprising and does not fit in the head.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 9 January 2014 16: 52
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          Or our handshake intelligentsia that screams of the Holocaust but fiercely hates the Russian people who saved it from the Nazi stoves shoulder to shoulder, along with their ancestors, by the way. This is surprising and does not fit in the head.

          - What kind of handshake intelligence are you alluding to? wink What about the Germans
          Quote: Ascetic
          as a person whose family and ancestors they brought one grief and suffering, and the country of devastation no longer has such a negative as to some compatriots from the former Union
          - Is it not Stockholm Syndrome? Indeed, it is sometimes difficult to explain the hostility of Russians to Asians, although they never, I repeat, NEVER killed Russians in millions, and moreover, NEVER, I repeat, NEVER set the Russians to be killed in cold blood and cynical, more precisely, the genocide of Russians, and indeed the Slavs in general, on an industrial basis! For special devices in the famous concentration camps are precisely the industry for destroying an entire part of humanity, moreover, developed by a cold and calculating mind! Here they are for you with such coldness and calculation, from which they distort, and you already have them
          Quote: Ascetic
          there is no such negative

          Truly do not understand the Russian soul smile
          1. ddmm09
            ddmm09 9 January 2014 17: 18
            +3
            Quote: aksakal
            Indeed, it is sometimes difficult to explain the hostility of Russians to Asians, although they never, I repeat, NEVER killed Russians in millions, and moreover, NEVER, I repeat, NEVER set the Russians to be killed in cold blood and cynical, more precisely, the genocide of Russians, and indeed the Slavs in general, on an industrial basis!

            Sorry to interrupt, but in relation to the Russians, as you put it, you are wrong with the Asians. You generalize too much, for example, Armenians are also Asians, etc. In Central Asia, the slave trade existed for a long time and this caused a lot of trouble to the Russian Empire. Large territories that previously belonged to the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR were previously controlled by the Chinese and Dzungars. Now these territories belong to Kazakhstan as well. I do not think this is a sign of disrespect to you. One of my colleagues from Kyrgyzstan, an ethnic Uzbek, cited a similar example about the city of Przhevalsk, saying that earlier the Russian scientist Przhevalsky was always drunk when he shot at local aborigines and boasted this in his letter to his friend, the letter was preserved and was the reason for renaming the city named earlier in his honor. I heard a lot of such nonsense not only from him. Please provide specific examples.
            As far as I remember, during my life in Alma-Ata, we did not have any problems on ethnic grounds. There were, of course, people who spoke to the Russians, they say, come in large numbers here. Although, if you are interested in history, then the "come in large numbers" here are everyone except the Chinese and Uighurs. So what?!. Is low education in fashion now? Now we will appreciate the poorly educated nationalists?
            1. Lindon
              Lindon 10 January 2014 08: 31
              +1
              Quote: ddmm09
              In Central Asia, the slave trade existed for a long time and this brought the Russian Empire a lot of trouble.


              Where does this cliché about slavery in Central Asia come from? "Dead Souls" - Gogol wrote in RI, wrote about the slave trade in Russia. What kind of slavery in Kokand, Bukhara and Khiva are we talking about?
              Why is Kazakhstan included in the CA? Each student of the USSR knew that Central Asia was a common name for the following states: Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan.
              1. ddmm09
                ddmm09 13 January 2014 14: 28
                -1
                Actually, in my post it was about Asians, since the aksakal was outraged by the fact that we dislike them. I mentioned Kazakhstan only in relation to its Asian territory.
                Second, do not confuse slavery and serfdom. Gogol describes a vice, not the rules of life in RI.
                Third, in the south of the Russian states and the Republic of Ingushetia, it was always troubled, which was sometimes an occasion to join these territories and establish their own rules on them, which allowed everyone to coexist peacefully. The slave trade is one of the big reasons.
                Fourth, if not for the USSR, then, for example, you would never have seen Baikonur. Sorry, but this is the state’s strategy.
                Fifth, I once read one of the modern textbooks on the history of Tatarstan. Straight all the Tatars are so poor and unfortunate, and the Russians are only monsters. And the authors, highly respected historians, pushed the word "genocide" into almost every line.
                For a long time I talked with one colleague - a surgeon, in years, an Uzbek, from Kyrgyzstan. Also always dissatisfied with the Russians, although in the Russian Federation he dragged all the children. About the city Przhevalsk is not his only delusional opus.
                Conclusion: if you are satisfied with supporting ideas of a nationalist nature - your business, but I prefer to reason sensibly - or we are building the economy together, or individually, the stronger ones simply convey. None of the states will be able to keep their territories without a developed and successful economy.
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 9 January 2014 18: 15
            +5
            Quote: aksakal
            Truly do not understand the Russian soul


            The thing is probably that apart from pity, the repulsed Germans do not cause any feelings. In contrast to our former compatriots who fell into the wild Middle Ages and courageous and fooled by nationalism, who use the same forces to break up Russia and Eurasian civilization, where Asian peoples were historically built in, as well as Nazis, fooled by Nazism, who longed for revenge to defeat the USSR red empire .
            Divide and rule! Again, the same thing ..
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 9 January 2014 17: 43
          +6
          Quote: Ascetic
          ... This is amazing and does not fit in the head.

          Simultaneously with the process of "denazization" of post-war Germany, there was a process of creating a permanent threat from the East. At the same time, the main stake was made on the neighboring GDR, with its pronounced pro-Soviet orientation. Mutual dislike of "Aussie" and "Vessey" has resulted in a b-a-a-alsh heap of anecdotes and stereotypes.
          Today, the Germans can no longer give sensible self-identification. The reunification of the two Germanys, the massive influx of ethnic Germans from Eastern Europe, and the USSR, in particular, reformatted the minds of the Germans. But all of them were united by the spirit of Germany, the German spirit, so to speak.
          And then the EU arrived in time with its "values". The massive invasion of "needy" followers of Mohamed, under the cover of the German government and directives from Brussels, turned the mono-nation country into a gateway, a paradise for PROPAGANDA of all sorts of things. The peak of such stuff was the President of Germany ...
          You can regret the country. In the foreseeable future, Germany will have difficult times ...
          And all sorts of symposiums-colloquiums-seminars are an attempt to find the external cause of their problems. And the LGBT flag is a great help in this matter.
          1. Sergh
            Sergh 9 January 2014 18: 28
            +3
            Guys, sorry, I'll shake it. I read the comments on "Politicus.ru", ossa ... I laugh:

            sapog11

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            Depression tormenting ??? Get into the bathroom, put tights on your head, and tie the legs of tights on clothesline. Move slowly in the bathroom. You are a trolley bus!

            If you wear skis, you are a tram. And if you put on your skis and pour water into the bath, you are a river tram.

            And if you drop a hairdryer into a bathtub with water, you are an electric train. And if you turn off the lights and put on a headlamp, then you are the subway. And if you add kerosene to the water, you get an airplane. And if at the same time a hairdryer remains in the water - that's it, p "" "ets, you are a rocket ...
      2. Renat
        Renat 9 January 2014 16: 47
        +4
        What is good for a Russian is death for a German. And in America there is an article. The Germans work for us. Serve their "Merci". Trucks. So, we communicate closely with them, and in terms of drinking and having fun, there is no particular difference between us. Well, maybe they are a little weak and they get sick more in the morning.
        1. Starfish
          Starfish 9 January 2014 17: 01
          +8
          "There is no controlled or fostered Russophobia in Germany"

          here it is a lot of lies. even in Russia there is a controlled and nurtured Russophobia, and on state-owned channels there are a lot of posers with pig farms that only cost
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 9 January 2014 17: 48
            +5
            Quote: Starfish
            "There is no controlled or fostered Russophobia in Germany"

            here it is a lot of lies. even in Russia there is a controlled and nurtured Russophobia, and on state-owned channels there are a lot of posers with pig farms that only cost

            There is such a German political scientist - Sashenka Rar, who regularly broadcasts what is expected of him: to German publications - about bad Russians, to the Russian media - about lost Germany.
      3. Polovec
        Polovec 9 January 2014 18: 02
        +3
        we have one common enemy - Anglo-Saxon scum!
        1. alone
          alone 9 January 2014 19: 44
          +3
          Vodka, Putin and Don Cossacks: German political analyst told about the Russian image in Germany


          Where did the bear go? belay strange German))
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 9 January 2014 20: 58
            +3
            Quote: lonely
            Where did the bear go? strange German))

            And the balalaika is not mentioned ... How could it be without her, darling ... crying
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  2. svp67
    svp67 9 January 2014 15: 41
    +4
    We have been losing the battle in the information field for a long time. Maybe now, with the advent of Kiselyov, something will change in our country, I would very much like that the image of our country has become more positive, since this is also capital ...
    1. Cherdak
      Cherdak 9 January 2014 16: 10
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      We have been losing the battle in the information field for a long time


      Do you think that such Germans can be convinced?

      Al Capone: You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone.
      Al Capone: You can do more with a good word and a gun than you can just with a good word.
      1. svp67
        svp67 9 January 2014 16: 13
        +5
        Quote: Cherdak
        Do you think that such Germans can be convinced?
        Well, on May 9 of each year, ours abroad does the same ...
        1. xan
          xan 9 January 2014 18: 42
          +5
          from TV "With an American passport you can have a rest anywhere, but with a Russian as you like"
          normal boys, getting ready for the holiday - the Budennovka and helmet were locked abroad
        2. Polovec
          Polovec 10 January 2014 14: 33
          +1
          I was ashamed to look at this bydlotnost
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  3. Altona
    Altona 9 January 2014 15: 47
    +11
    Why was the article minus? The man correctly placed accents in the perception of Russian-speakers in Europe ... "Despite the high level of tolerance," Goebbels's leaflets are still read in full in Europe, even whole pieces are inserted into newspaper articles ...
  4. demotivator
    demotivator 9 January 2014 15: 58
    +7
    Quote: sledgehammer102
    ... I honestly generally wonder at our historical relations with Germany. At first they fought in the First World War, then they were friends and they built with their machines, then they again fought, then they became friends again ...

    It should be noted here that the former Russian emperor Nicholas II allowed his corrupt dignitaries to drag Russia into the First World War on the side of the Entente and against Germany. In this war, Russia had absolutely no sensible geopolitical interests. After all, why did it all begin? In Europe, the German nation, represented by the German and Austro-Hungarian empires, was left without colonies in Asia and Africa. These continents at that time almost completely belonged to England and France. But Russia by that time already had huge spaces in Siberia and the Far East, which we had enough for centuries to master and populate. Moreover, the Germans in those years did not lay claim to the lands of Russia and were very close people for Russia, and both emperors were even relatives! And the Germans began a war with England and France for the redivision of not the Russian, but the French and English parts of the world. I repeat, Russia did not need this war at all, nevertheless Nicholas II got involved in this war, in fact giving England and France the Russian people as cannon fodder, and caused, among other things, an angry insult in the souls of the Germans, an insult that is very expensive already cost the Soviet Union in World War II.
  5. I do not care
    I do not care 9 January 2014 16: 02
    +13
    Relations between Russia and Germany resemble a simple situation - you need to break an impudent brow by the most pamper yourself and suddenly he becomes if you are not a friend then a good friend.
    but the stereotype of Bo is the whole of Europe:
  6. Cherdak
    Cherdak 9 January 2014 16: 02
    +3
    Quote: A
    All the roads of Marxism lead to Moscow. So vote for the CDU


    I was not lazy, I found this test poster. "And these people forbid me to pick my nose!" (from)
  7. Christian
    Christian 9 January 2014 16: 02
    +12
    And they blundered because, Thank God, the time has passed when we were shaking over what They were saying about us there! Do not care! The opinion of cheap fagots should not interest us!
    1. kaktus
      kaktus 9 January 2014 17: 52
      +5
      Quote: Christian
      The opinion of cheap fagots should not interest us!

      expensive - too wassat
  8. Altona
    Altona 9 January 2014 16: 02
    +5
    Quote: demotivator
    It should be noted here that the former Russian emperor Nicholas II allowed his corrupt dignitaries to drag Russia into the First World War on the side of the Entente and against Germany.

    --------------------------------
    But the tsar had no choice ... Russia had a large external debt to the Entente countries, loans, French bills of the beginning of the century in 1990, suddenly France demanded to pay off, do not remember? So we paid for the Stolypin economic miracle with our peasant krovochka ...
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 10 January 2014 02: 06
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      So we paid for the Stolypin economic miracle with our peasant krovochka ...

      Rather, for the form Witte was seeking to carry out reforms aimed at “opening the gates” of Russia to foreign Jewish capital. During his reign, Witte managed to drag Russia into the multi-billion-dollar debt of the Rothschild Frere banking house in Paris. Rothschild’s relationship with the Russian Ministry of Finance and the government was so strong that the Rothschilds, who placed and provided loans to the Empire, could dictate their will to it. The very fact that even before the war of 1914, interest payments on the state debt amounted to the second cost item (after the defense) of RI, it speaks of the power achieved here and the influence of transnational capital.
      “Yes, Europe is on the verge of a terrible catastrophe ... All these Bismarcks, Beaconsfields, Gambetta and others, all of them are just shadows ... Their master, the lord of everything without withdrawal and the whole of Europe is a Jew and his bank ...”

      F.M. Dostoevsky
      Russia and Germany
  9. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 9 January 2014 16: 09
    +3
    The premise is correct, but where is the conclusion ??? "There is no controlled or fostered Russophobia in Germany." Like all the mentioned habit or bleating in unison with the Anglo-Saxons?
    I really do not like the "army of both the Germans (within their borders) and the West, in principle! We are losing on the info field ???? We do not refute or do not become like them (you can shoot documentary films by looking for and highlighting their jambs), TOO MUCH HONOR !
  10. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 9 January 2014 16: 09
    +2
    It was necessary to give an author’s remark, and it seemed that the author agrees with the conclusion of the article.
    Our likely friends tell us about our weaknesses on the information front. Thank them for that.
  11. Same lech
    Same lech 9 January 2014 16: 15
    +4
    In assessing political regimes in Russia, 68% of Germans believe that Gorbachev's perestroika was the best time for Russia.


    Funny I just think this period for RUSSIA is the worst.

    Just as soon as Gorbachev began his destructive activity, coffins flowed into my cemetery with our old people, pensioners and young people from numerous gang groups, the heroes of Perestroika, so to speak.
  12. GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 9 January 2014 16: 16
    +3
    Comrades, I think we better keep silent about how we have stereotypes about Germans and other Europeans.
    Although no, do not be silent.
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 9 January 2014 17: 31
      +2
      Yes!!! We will not be silent !!! We tell them the whole womb laughing We’ll arrange such a break in the template.
  13. HAM
    HAM 9 January 2014 16: 17
    +1
    For example, many Russians are very far from "real" Germans in terms of alcohol consumption.
  14. makarov
    makarov 9 January 2014 16: 23
    0
    Well, of course it is about vodka - they have not forgotten. And where about stray bears in the streets, and atomic rectors in every house ?? laughing
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 9 January 2014 16: 57
      +2
      Yeah, you still forgot to say that we have armored personnel carriers instead of bicycles, and tanks instead of cars. wassat
    2. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 9 January 2014 17: 16
      +4
      Quote: makarov
      And where about stray bears in the streets, and atomic rectors in every house ??

      Yeah, ah, ours are scorching everywhere lol Well, what do you think? Whose car is it? laughing
  15. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 9 January 2014 16: 26
    +4
    I want to tell you a case (it may seem wild, but as it is), my friend and I drove children to France (Disneyland), the boys run around, and we go slowly, so that we don’t get lost and suddenly Sanya slightly pokes a finger with a finger fat in the stomach, he really donkey, like a snowman melted, only instantly - lost consciousness, I accelerated in shock, well, there was a stir, no one saw anything, they were busy, etc., I showed Sanka - you turned on the bull again, 90 what-if ((((??? OH - yes, he goes to ebashki catches the devil scared (literally), then we special they walked around and watched what they were like in life, had not paid attention before, for example, had seen many times when they turned their heads away, boldly step on a zebra, and if the brakes fail, if he was distracted ... and noticed a lot of things then. in extreme situations, to say the least - crap, 95% of the titular nations of Europe are already celestials, soft as shit ...
    You can even envy their carelessness of living conditions, although all this happened before the CRISIS ...
  16. galser
    galser 9 January 2014 16: 34
    +2
    The Germans are the best workers (robots), depending on what program they are "loaded" with. I'm surprised why the Germans didn't send everyone and flew into space))
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 9 January 2014 17: 19
      +2
      Quote: galser
      I am surprised why the Germans did not send everyone and did not fly into space))

      Werner von Braun ruined all raspberries laughing were close to that hi
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 9 January 2014 18: 01
      +8
      Quote: galser
      Germans are the best workers

      Zadolbali already eulogies about the Germans. Why are they considered the best employees? Because at the signal of the end of the working day, they quit their job without even having to tighten, for example, a nut? While with us, is it considered hackwork? Yes, if our workers were paid the same money for the work as the Germans, but with the same equipment, I’m sure we would give them a head start. Our Russian people, not at all lazy Germans, stop practicing self-abasement! If the authorities turn to face people, we will turn the mountains, just don’t interfere.
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    4. Armata
      Armata 9 January 2014 18: 40
      +6
      Quote: galser
      The Germans are the best workers (robots), depending on what program they are "loaded" with. I'm surprised why the Germans didn't send everyone and flew into space))
      I visited them at the factory. Not only are there very few of them left in Germany, but they are also lazy. They will not lift a finger if it is beyond their duties. There was such a case. I went to Finland to repair a harvester (feller machine). He arrived, it turned out to be not our part, the magnet on the Bosch-Rexroth distributor ДУ10 burned out (if someone says something to it) A German came from this office with me. He looked shorter and said to the foreman:
      - The magnet burned out. It is necessary to change the distribution, but the German has a distribution with a different scheme. Let’s buy it, and I’ll change your spool and in an hour the machine will work.
      He goes to the German, talked to him. German:
      - Nicht, Nain is not possible. I’ll place an order now, go to the warehouse, arrive in 3 of the day and change it (by unscrewing and tightening the 4 screws of the 916 din)
      I liked the answer of the fin:
      - Zhenya, I’ll buy a switchgear from him, and bring him there, to the forest. There I have men digging a new toilet.
      A simple harvester per day costs approximately 120 000 tanks. And after that they are awesome workers?
      Duck, he also made a complaint about me. I then received pindyule from the authorities.
  17. uzer 13
    uzer 13 9 January 2014 16: 36
    +6
    The German media do not exist on their own. They are built into the global information system, well organized and not too loyal to Russia and the Russian people. Let us recall the war with Georgia, Pussy Riot, the provocations of Greenpeace - all the articles were already written in advance, they were inserted for reliability. some details - and a ready-made reportage "from the scene of events was set in motion." The stereotypical perception of Russia is characteristic of the layman, and by no means the journalistic fraternity, much more cynical and capable of anything for money. Tin and jeans of pure water - this is the jargon called ordered materials. And a good organization of the process is already a topic for thought, there is, therefore, one customer who is not constrained in funds and acts according to a pre-compiled scenario.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 9 January 2014 20: 36
      +5
      But if the T-34 with the profile of Stalin on the tower early in the morning of May 9 at the Brandenburg Gate would nervously rotate the tower here and there, and the grimy fly with the Belomorina in his teeth in broken German asked today's passers-by how to get to the Reichstag, then an increase the plan for the development of organic matter would exceed all conceivable norms ... And the laundries would work in three shifts ... repeat
      Then they would re-read history books (but not the 3,14ndosovskie ones - they are false) and understand that they wouldn’t be awake while it’s quiet.
      And it is better to silently boil in a "blue" cauldron and further become a Muslim state than to speak to neighbors wassat
  18. JonnyT
    JonnyT 9 January 2014 16: 47
    +3
    the Germans are close to us by blood ..... we are constantly pitted, because they are afraid of the formation of the Russia-Germany alliance!
    The goebbels followers are eagerly introducing stereotypes and clichés to the masses and it must be said successfully ...... That shroud which obscures ordinary German citizens’ eyes should not spoil relations (and it will not spoil it) Many Russian companies work closely with German industry and business on mutually beneficial terms. And those Germans who are involved in this process perfectly understand and know much more about us Russians than the corrupt and deceitful media bought
  19. Snipe 74
    Snipe 74 9 January 2014 16: 48
    +4
    The information war can and should be won. Money is not always the most appropriate tool for achieving a goal. It happens in life that a positive image is also not enough, which decides and then brute physical strength is used. At this stage, it would be wiser to resort to soft power, cultural ties and trade relations will have a beneficial effect on the image of Russia. But "tomorrow", when the world famine (water, food, oil, gas, territories) comes, we RUSSIA will need a powerful army and navy, and let the West keep the image and a mutat like it for itself. And we also need a strong leader who will not allow external enemies not internal to deceive his people. And repentance and faith will return the mercy of God to us, and with God whom should we fear? And if the West has forgotten at whose expense they live and will continue to plunder Russia in tandem with our oligarchs, there will be only one option, to make them respect us with the help of the army and the navy.
    1. xan
      xan 9 January 2014 19: 02
      +2
      Quote: Snipe 74
      At this stage, it would be wiser to resort to soft power, cultural relations and trade relations will favorably affect the image of Russia

      It is necessary to grow rich and grow rich, to raise the general standard of living. And then the Europeans will begin to curry favor with wealthy Russians. And they will always be afraid - what friendship is there?
  20. Humpty
    Humpty 9 January 2014 16: 54
    +2
    The Russian-speaking Jewish press in Germany has succeeded in pouring mud and inciting hatred for Russians and Russia.
    In Germany, Hitler had such a soup, Julius Streicher, a Gauleiter who published an anti-Semitic weekly, Der Sturmer. He was even hanged for this. Rumor has it that they hung a tablet with a real name - Abram Goldberg.
    Abram died, but the business lives on.
  21. Egoza
    Egoza 9 January 2014 16: 59
    +3
    I can not agree with this German expert in everything. It seems to me that A. Rahr characterizes Putin more clearly (and correctly) in his relationship with Europe (Germany).
    Well-known German expert reflects on the fate of democracy in Russia, the Sochi Olympics and the Eurasian Union

    Putin wants to revive a great power without democracy and human rights, writes Alexander Rahr in an article published in the first days of the new 2014 in the German newspaper Di Welt. Most of Russia's population, distrusting the Western social model, follows its leader.

    Today, no one asks the question "who is Mr. Putin? " For some, he is a power-hungry autocrat, violating human rights and seeking to restore the Soviet empire. For others, a far-sighted politician who saved Russia from collapse and led the country into the big league of world politics.

    In 2013, Putin played a major role in the international arena, and most likely, the German expert believes, will continue to dominate in 2014. The Winter Olympics in Sochi will help him in this, originally conceived as a grandiose prestigious project in order to demonstrate to the whole world the inflated muscles of the revived Russian state. A recent pardon by critics of the regime was also intended to improve the image of the Russian government.

    Nevertheless, the West does not want to be deceived and continues to regard Putin as a “bully,” whose power is based solely on high oil prices.

    In the West, Putin is perceived as an adversary of democracy. He himself justifies his position by the fact that he must reckon with the moods of the Russian people. In fact, A. Rahr emphasizes, for most Russians, order and social stability seem more important than democracy and a right-wing state. About 75 percent of the population does not trust a market economy; many have not yet come to terms with the collapse of the USSR.

    Putin believes, A. Rar writes further, that his historical mission is to revive Russia, and he is convinced, as president, of his personal decisive role on this path. Therefore, for him, criticism from the opposition, the media and civil society is a factor of irritation.

    Recently, Putin has completely focused on the project of the Eurasian Union, hoping to become the new "collector of Russian land." In this regard, according to a Kremlin source A. Rahr, the president of Russia probably considers Ukraine and Belarus to be the same artificial entities as the GDR was in the eyes of West Germany at one time.

    It is quite possible that the concept of the Eurasian Union was not conceived for the sake of confrontation with Europe, and in the future close cooperation between them is possible if the European Union, of course, does not form a united free trade zone with the United States.

    Putin does not want and cannot threaten Europe, but he will not talk to the EU about human rights. The EU should supply cars, technology, investments, leaving democracy on the Russian border. The Kremlin’s boss increasingly perceives the critical discussion of universal values ​​as an attempt to belittle Russia’s international significance.

    The EU could smile when Putin threatens to turn his back on Europe and gain a foothold in Asia. But the fact remains: Russia's cooperation with China and ASEAN is growing, and European ties are weakening.

    To build a strategy of relations with Putin, the author concludes, it should be clearly understood that he is firmly in position: Europeans in the face of global challenges cannot do without Russia.
    Original source www.novayagazeta.ru
  22. ochakow703
    ochakow703 9 January 2014 17: 09
    +3
    Quote: sledgehammer102
    It seems to me that although we are different nations, we are great in our own way, and complement each other in Europe.
    In any case, both we and the Germans are honest in their hatred of each other. And respect develops honestly, as between two strong rivals (read enemies). What can not be said about the British and the Americans. Everything is so slippery there ...
  23. Sour
    Sour 9 January 2014 17: 21
    +4
    Vodka, Putin and the Don Cossacks

    Why Don?
    Before the revolution in Russia, only a third of all Cossacks were Don.
    Seriously, I had to communicate with the Europeans. Many have the correct idea of ​​Russia, without delirium. But right does not mean that it is benevolent.
    It is a mistake to think that a foreigner, when he finds out everything about us, will love or respect us. A foreigner is a foreigner. He has his own country, we have our own. And many of them do not like Russia and Russians not because they do not know it. And simply because Russia is a foreign country for them. After all, many people do not like the West, not because they know it poorly.
    Among the Germans there are many Russophobes, as it seemed to me. But obviously less than among Ukrainians.
    1. haron
      haron 10 January 2014 09: 00
      0
      Quote: Sour
      Why Don?

      Why vodka wink That is why the author focuses on the need for alternative information. What I completely agree with you on this -
      Quote: Sour
      After all, many people do not like the West, not because they know it poorly.
      Among the Germans there are many Russophobes, as it seemed to me.

      The most direct and best option is to develop tourism. After all, there were earlier tours on the golden ring. In Russia, there are a lot of places where Europeans could come both on vacation and to see. We need to develop infrastructure, services, etc. this is a great opportunity to make money in remote corners of russia. Hunting, fishing, just hiking trails in the woods for a week. It is not for nothing that the article states that Russian hospitality is also part of the "stereotypes" only on the good side, and living for a long time in the West, I fully agree with the hospitality.


      Quote: Sour
      But obviously less than among Ukrainians.


      Enmity between brothers is always much more intolerant than between neighbors - alas.
  24. Zeus
    Zeus 9 January 2014 17: 30
    +2
    These German barbarians who slaughtered the entire indigenous population of Western Europe, Britain and both Americas still dare to call us barbarians. Bastards are bloodthirsty, Nazism is their genetic feature. These geeks have always sought to carve out the indigenous population.
  25. moskal68
    moskal68 9 January 2014 18: 04
    +2
    They forgot to write about bears that come from the taiga at night (and we even have eternal night and taiga in Moscow) and bite passers-by. And you can be saved from them only by giving the bear a bottle of vodka. Then he stops biting, drinks all the vodka and plays the balalaika until the morning. Somehow they missed this moment in their newspapers.
  26. galser
    galser 9 January 2014 18: 04
    0
    In response) 1 pornography 2 cars 3 pid0r @ sy 4 jägermaster
  27. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 9 January 2014 18: 10
    +3
    In principle, all peoples have certain stereotypes towards other nationalities. Remember how you yourself talk about the Balts, Jews, Germans. Poles, etc. Rather, it is a shame when, because of the "new Russian" huml (and there are, unfortunately, there are many of them, and not only in Germany) people begin to judge ordinary Russians. And the fact that we perepem Germans in this is nothing offensive. I remembered how my friend went to see friends in the GDR. They sat down at a table and finally began to celebrate the meeting. The owner of the establishment, having looked at how and how much alcohol was consumed, did not close the cafe and even "rolled out" the drink from himself. After the feast was over, my friend got behind the wheel of their "Wartburg" and showed what their car is capable of (though he was a racer) and everyone was delighted fellow
    1. xan
      xan 9 January 2014 19: 13
      +2
      Quote: Andrew Peter
      Rather, it is a shame when, because of the "new Russian" huml (and there are, unfortunately, there are many of them, and not only in Germany) people begin to judge ordinary Russians.

      Come on, hamloe, you see the image spoils! And why does the German or English hamlo image not spoil?
      If the ham is spoiled for someone there, it’s violet to me.
      Russian boors do not cease to be Russian, but in my opinion, you need to be ashamed of other things.
      As already mentioned here, from hot and boorish ones turn out good gunners, as well as driver mechanics.
  28. Good
    Good 9 January 2014 18: 27
    +1
    I have an association with the Germans - this is Oktoberfest. Two weeks of unbroken booze. The Russians do not know such a “holiday" at the state level.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 9 January 2014 19: 28
      +2
      Quote: Good
      Two weeks of unbroken booze. The Russians do not know such a “holiday” at the state level.

      Yes, in this regard, we surpassed them - First, Catholic Christmas, then New Year, then Orthodox Christmas, then Baptism. In total, with a break for a couple of days to gain new strength - that’s how all 19 days will work out! laughing
      1. Armata
        Armata 9 January 2014 19: 45
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Yes, in this regard, we surpassed them - First, Catholic Christmas, then New Year, then Orthodox Christmas, then Baptism. In total, with a break for a couple of days to gain new strength - that’s how all 19 days will work out!
        Light Elena. And what about the old New Year? Sin cannot be celebrated according to the Julian calendar. laughing
  29. Horst78
    Horst78 9 January 2014 18: 40
    +1
    Yes, we all live by stereotypes.
  30. Riperbahn
    Riperbahn 9 January 2014 18: 54
    +3
    In the West, it’s very bad in general, but I’ll say frankly that they don’t distinguish between Russian and Russian speakers. Kazakh or Ukrainian, Chechen or Moldavian - if you speak Russian, it means Russian! But when in Bulgaria, with the influx of choles on the tables of all cafes, ketchup and mustard disappeared - the differences between Russian and the rest immediately became clear :)))) Russian speakers.
    1. xan
      xan 10 January 2014 03: 23
      +1
      Quote: Riperbahn
      But when in Bulgaria, with the influx of choles on the tables of all cafes, ketchup and mustard disappeared - the differences between Russian and the rest immediately became clear :)))) Russian speakers.

      Our sworn friends Poles clearly understand the difference between Ukrainian and Russian.
      To be honest, I like the image of the Russian more and more. Someone has already given an example in discussions of an article about LGBT people, how a Greek waiter in New York told a Russian tourist that being Russian is cool. And let us solve internal social and economic problems, so the problem of "the image of Russia abroad" will not be interesting to Russians at all, the words of the classic have not been canceled - being determines consciousness. Although my IMHO - first being determines consciousness, then consciousness determines being.
  31. Altona
    Altona 9 January 2014 18: 54
    +1
    Quote: Mechanic
    the magnet on the Bosch-Rexroth distributor DU10 burned out (if someone says something)

    -------------------------
    Why not say? He will say quite ... DN10 is a nominal diameter of 10 mm ... The distributor was visible with an electromagnet, which, when the coil is excited, pulls the spool and switches the flows in the hydraulic system ... I did not understand one, why did I need to change the spool? The electromagnet burned down ...
    1. Armata
      Armata 9 January 2014 20: 42
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      He will say it completely ... ДУ10 is the nominal diameter of 10 mm ... The distributor was visible with an electromagnet, which, when the coil is excited, pulls the spool and switches the flows in the hydraulic system ... I did not understand one, why was it necessary to change the spool? The electromagnet burned down ...
      The existing one had a different one and explosion-proof magnets (not on the 1 nut, but on the 4 screws, without the forced unload button) and the scheme was not 61 (normally closed in the neutral) but 63 (with unloading in the neutral from discharge to discharge with closed working A&V) . That is why it was impossible to remove and rearrange the coil. And the spools have a single diameter, the only difference is in the grooves.
  32. xan
    xan 9 January 2014 18: 55
    +3
    Sister married more than 20 years ago to a German and dumped in Germany. In Germany, communicates with Russian speakers.
    Her stereotype of modern Russians is that rogue people used to come, and with the advent of Putin, former rogue people shop at such stores and buy things that ordinary Germans cannot afford. And the whole Russian-speaking Germany clearly marks this difference between former and current Russians.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 9 January 2014 19: 15
      +4
      Quote: xan
      earlier rogues came, and with the advent of Putin, former rogues go to stores and buy things that ordinary Germans cannot afford. And the whole Russian-speaking Germany clearly marks this difference between former and current Russians.

      Hehe ... wassat
      That's just for it
      Quote: xan
      former beggars shop in such stores and buy things that ordinary Germans can not afford

      Russian and do not like, or rather wildly envy, because the purchasing power of a nation is an indicator of the quality of life.
  33. Bosk
    Bosk 9 January 2014 20: 34
    +3
    hospitality 88%, courage 78%, "Russian soul" 65%, loyalty to the government 62% .... - the guys think in the right direction, but the truth is "loyalty to the government" is too Western ... it would be more correct- "loyalty to the Motherland "this is closer to the" Russian soul "!
  34. voliador
    voliador 9 January 2014 21: 23
    0
    Well, Russophobia will not surprise us. For hundreds of years, this geyropa Russophobia from under the silence.
  35. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 9 January 2014 22: 15
    0
    Well, now it’s clear what they will write about during the Olympics, in a word, the Germans.
  36. konvalval
    konvalval 10 January 2014 01: 20
    +1
    What they are hammered into their heads is what they think.
  37. CALL.
    CALL. 10 January 2014 05: 20
    0
    “The Testament of Peter the Great,” in which Peter I allegedly left his descendants with detailed instructions for the phased conquests of all of Europe over the next two centuries. -

    The emergence of the "true" text of "The Testament of Peter the Great", as many believe today, was the result of collective creativity. Although, despite the fact that there is not a single direct and indisputable evidence, authorship is traditionally attributed to d'Eon. In 1757, the cavalier d'Eon brought to Paris a precious document, which he discovered thanks to his close, boundless friendship with the empress and uncontrolled research in the most secret royal archives ... This, according to d'Eon, is literally a faithful copy of the will left by Peter To his great descendants and successors on the throne. " Returning to Paris for a short time, d'Eon again went to Petersburg as secretary of the embassy. It was during his second stay in the Russian capital that d'Eon, according to the "Notes", was able to steal from the most secret imperial archive in St. Petersburg a "copy of the will" of Peter I. Let's leave this statement on the conscience of the cavalier d'Eon. We will not question how the cavalier d'Eon, rummaging through the tsar's archives, not knowing the Russian language, could establish that the document he found, which he then “brought” to Paris, was precisely the secret will of Peter I, in which He recommends that all Russian tsars strive to conquer the universe. Citing this fake, Napoleon and Hitler justified their aggression against Russia and the USSR. It is strange that many people still do not know about this. http://revolution.allbest.ru/history/00225302_0.html
  38. delfinN
    delfinN 10 January 2014 16: 03
    0
    Had a chance to serve in the GSVG-ZGV (88-93). I was a captain then, I commanded a reconnaissance. He lived in the city, the neighbors were Germans. They also eat vodka, like everyone, until a screeching screech. Love to steal, gifts to receive love. At 8 pm, they are already feverish (they go to bed early), but they still sit, waiting for me to push them some saury in oil. They gave us a food ration, they didn’t eat it anyway. In the gash of the waitress, you’ll leave a couple of little girls, so she will mutter to the bitte until you leave.