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What ended the campaign in power of the fighting generals, "Afghans"

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What ended the campaign in power of the fighting generals, "Afghans"

On the morning of December 25, 1979 of the year, Soviet paratroopers crossed the induced pontoon bridge across the border river Amu Darya. They were assigned the task of seizing the high-mountain Salang pass on the Termez-Kabul road in order to ensure the unimpeded passage of Soviet troops to Afghanistan.


On the same day, the transfer of units to the airfields of Kabul and Bagram began. So began the Afghan war, which lasted until the 1989 year. True, officially it was then called the introduction of a limited contingent of Soviet troops into the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (DRA) in order to overthrow Hafizullah Amin and replace him with a more loyal USSR leader.

Then, in the USSR, they learned what the terrible military term "200 cargo" means. In the zinc coffins, the remains of our soldiers and officers returned to their homeland in the Black Tulip, about which Alexander Rosenbaum sings with such pain.

In this war for 9 years, 1 a month and 19 days, 14 453 of Soviet servicemen died. Of these, 9 511 were killed in battles, 2386 died from wounds, the rest from other diseases. 417 Soviet military personnel went missing or were captured. 119 soldiers and officers of the Soviet army managed to free from captivity.

Some officers who fought back then in Afghanistan with dukhmans later became brilliant politicians whose names Russia still remembers. Without pursuing the goal of assessing political achievements or failures, today we simply recall them - combat generals: Shpak, Rokhlin, Lebed, Gromov, Rutskoi, Grachev ...

It happened история of our country, that after a few years, some of them already on the territory of Russia - in Chechnya - were confronted by another "Afghan" - their former combat comrade Dzhokhar Dudayev, who is now called a "rebellious general." However, almost all of them at the beginning of 1990-x were on opposite sides of the barricades.

General Georgy Shpak
It was under his command that the first 25 of December 1979 of the year paratroopers of the 350 Guards Parachute Regiment landed on the Kabul airfield. During the war in Afghanistan, he was Chief of Staff - Deputy Commander of the Airborne Division, Commander of the 76 Guards Airborne Division. After Afghanistan took part in the hostilities in Yugoslavia and in Chechnya.

In September, 2003 left military service and went into politics. He joined the patriotic bloc, which later became the Rodina party, which remained in October 2004 until October.

In December, 2003 was elected a deputy to the Federal Assembly of Russia - Deputy Chairman of the Committee on Defense. From 2004 to 2008, he led the Ryazan Region.

After the end of the term of the governorship, he does not take an active part in the political life of the country, but transfers his experience to the younger generation - not only to young paratroopers, but (according to him) to his three grandchildren.
His son, Oleg Shpak, a guard lieutenant, died in Chechnya in 1995. Daughter Elena - Colonel of Medical Service, works in the military hospital named after Burdenko.

General Lev Rokhlin
Lev Rokhlin served in Afghanistan in 1982 — 1984. First, as commander of a motorized rifle regiment. In the opinion of the command, a military operation was shot for an unsuccessful one, then reinstated. He was wounded twice.

In 1994-1995 he fought in Chechnya and was presented for the title of Hero of the Russian Federation, but refused to accept this title, saying that "he has no moral right to receive this award for military operations in the territory of his own country."

In 1995, Rokhlin went into politics from the Our Home Russia movement (NDR), in January 1996 became the chairman of the State Duma’s defense committee, but after a year and a half, he unexpectedly left the NDR faction and created his own political "Support Movement army, defense industry and military science. " He is considered one of the most active opposition leaders of 1997-1998, opposed to Boris Yeltsin.

In late May, 1998 was dismissed from the post of chairman of the defense committee. A few days later - on the night of July 3 - he was found murdered at his own summer cottage in the village of Klokovo near Moscow.

On charges of murder, his wife Tamara Rokhlin was detained. At first, she confessed that she had killed her husband, but then she refused her testimony, stating that she had slandered herself in a state of shock. This whole tragic history was followed by the whole country.

General Dzhokhar Dudayev
In the days of the USSR - Major General aviation. In 1986-1987 he took part in hostilities in Afghanistan, although he subsequently denied that he fought against the Islamists in this country.

However, according to official information, on a heavy bomber, Dudayev personally made combat missions to the western regions of Afghanistan, introducing the technique of "carpet bombing" of enemy positions.

In 1991, he retired and led the so-called national liberation movement of 1990, which, in fact, provoked the First Chechen War.

It is considered the first president of the unrecognized Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (CRI). From the beginning of the 1990s, at a time when Chechen separatists were fighting for the creation of an independent republic, Russia experienced a whole series of terrible terrorist acts.

The hunt for the rebellious Chechen president was conducted throughout the First Chechen War. At least three attempts at assassination of Dudayev are known. The fact that he really killed, it became known in April 1996 year. According to one version, the village of Gekhi-Chu, where Dudayev was killed, was imposed on Russian special forces.

On a signal from an airplane that had spotted a radio beam from Dudayev’s satellite phone, an anti-tank radio-controlled rocket was fired at a rebel general’s car. However, the version of the air strikes on the rebellious general’s car was most prevalent. However, all the details of the operation for a long time will be classified.

General Alexander Rutskoi
Hero of the Soviet Union. In the period from 1985 to 1988, the year in Afghanistan commanded a separate aviation assault regiment, made 485 sorties on the Su-25 attack aircraft. In 1986-m was shot down and miraculously survived. After treatment and short service in Lipetsk, he returned to Afghanistan.

In 1988, he was again shot down, five days left from persecution, was captured by the Afghan mojahedin. Then, Soviet diplomats exchanged him for a citizen of Pakistan accused in the USSR of spying. According to other sources, Rutskoi was bought out.

At the beginning of 1990, I went to politics: from 1991 to 1993, the first and last vice-president of the Russian Federation. He sharply criticized the program of the so-called shock therapy according to Gaidar and the Belovezhskaya Agreement. Conflicted with President Yeltsin.

“Nobody wanted to leave,” says Rutskoi today. But this is not about Afghanistan. So he described the events of October 1993, in which he played one of the key roles.

They still have not been given an unambiguous historical interpretation. Some call these events the "October putsch", others - "the execution of parliament", and others - the "constitutional crisis." Time will judge.

From 1996 to 2000, Rutskoi was governor of the Kursk region. He currently lives in the suburban town of Odintsovo, is the chairman of the board of directors of a cement plant in the Voronezh region.

General Alexander Lebed
In the fighting in Afghanistan took part in 1981 — 1982. There he commanded the first battalion of the 345-th separate parachute regiment. During the war he was contused.

In July, 1990, for the first time, Alexander Lebed was confronted with politics: he was elected to the Central Committee of the RSFSR Communist Party. In 1991, during the coup, his paratroopers guarded the White House - the headquarters of the Democrats. It was then, as he himself said, that the whole country recognized his "naturally affectionate physiognomy".

But truly Lebed became a legend in Transnistria. There he acted decisively and with the help of military force stopped the war.

His phrase “The end of the war”, told by 1996 in the summer, will go down in history after General Alexander Lebed and Aslan Maskhadov signed the Khasavyurt peace in Chechnya.

In the first round of the presidential election of 1996, almost 15 percent of voters voted for General Lebed - more than 11 million people. This was the third result - after Boris Yeltsin and Gennady Zyuganov.

Lebed calls on his supporters in the second round to vote for Yeltsin, and he wins. But for the Moscow elite, he could not become his. Although, according to the pre-election agreement, he received the post of Secretary of the Security Council of the Russian Federation "with special powers" and became an assistant to the President of the Russian Federation on national security.

After a conflict with Interior Minister Kulikov in October 1996, the year was dismissed.

From June 1998 of the year - the governor (the people called him the "governor-general") of the Krasnoyarsk Territory. Often he made loud statements on the situation in the Krasnoyarsk Territory and not only.

20 April 2002, he turned 52, and a few days later - 28 April - Russia lost its Swan.

He, the staff of his administration and several representatives of the press - including the operator of the Krasnoyarsk Vesti - perished in the crash of the Mi-8 helicopter near Lake Oyskoe on the Buybinsky Pass (Krasnoyarsk Territory), where he and his administration staff flew to the opening of the new ski slopes.

There was talk that the death of the irreconcilable and often harsh "governor-general" was not an accident. Thousands of people sincerely mourned. However, according to the findings of the state commission, the cause of the catastrophe was “the unsatisfactory crew preparation for the flight”.

Not only the events of those years, but also popularly loved films about “national peculiarities” (hunting, fishing and politics), whose main character - General Mikhalych performed by Alexei Buldakov - looks like Alexander Lebed like two drops of water, will surely remind him of it.

General Pavel Grachev
Took part in hostilities in Afghanistan from 1981 to 1982 for the year as commander of the 345 Guards separate parachute regiment. Then he was sent there again as the commander of the 103 Guards Airborne Division.

For successfully carried out the strategically important operation "Magistral" Grachev was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union.

After returning from Afghanistan, he continued service in the Armed Forces. From December 30, 1990 was commander of the USSR Airborne Forces.

In August 1991, when the coup began, he executed the order of the GKChP committee on the introduction of troops into Moscow. However, the very next day he sided with Boris Yeltsin. It was by his order that the General Lebed, who were at the disposal of General Lebed, were sent for protection to the White House Tanks and personnel.

In the following years, Pavel Grachev held senior positions in the Ministry of Defense system. In May, 1992 was appointed Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation and held this position until 1996.

His work in this post has often been criticized. Grachev was even suspected of involvement in the murder of Dmitry Kholodov, a Moskovsky Komsomolets journalist, in October 1994. The accused officers were paratroopers, Grachev acted as a witness. As a result, the court acquitted all defendants. The crime remained unsolved.

General Grachev passed away on September 23 of the year 2012. Shortly after his death, the film "Pavel Grachev. I want to tell everything" was released on the Russia 24 TV channel. This is a miraculously preserved record of General Grachev’s large and frank interview in which he talks about all the tragic events of modern Russian history in which he took direct part.

General Boris Gromov
During the war in Afghanistan, he was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union for the successful conduct of Operation Highway. He was the last commander of the 40-th army. It was he who led the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan.

15 February 1989 of the year (according to the official version) was the last Soviet soldier to cross the border of the two countries along the Friendship Bridge, although in Afghanistan Soviet military personnel and border guard units remained in captivity.

In politics, Boris Gromov went in December 1995 of the year: then he stood for election to the State Duma of the II convocation from the association "My Fatherland". Subsequently became the governor of the Moscow region. Boris Gromov led the Moscow region for almost 12 years: from 2000 to 2012. Then he became a senator, and more recently, a State Duma deputy from United Russia.

In an interview with the media, he often recalled those ambiguous events of the late Soviet period. So, in an interview with Vesti of the Week, General Gromov admitted in 2004, that "we did not take into account the experience of the Afghan war."

“Basically, this experience was remembered, unfortunately. Because, from my point of view, the most important result of the experience of the war in Afghanistan is not to start a war. But the political component of this experience went into oblivion. And repetition happened in Chechnya.” said then General Gromov.

In February, 2009, when the 20 anniversary of the withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan was celebrated in Russia, in an interview with Vesti, Boris Gromov admitted: "The introduction of troops into Afghanistan was a mistake":

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  1. Boris55
    Boris55 11 January 2014 09: 00
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    Pavel Grachev. I want to tell everything.

    1. Vadim2013
      Vadim2013 11 January 2014 20: 04
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      Pavel Grachev was recorded for four hours, and a 45-minute promotional documentary "I want to tell everything" was made.
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  2. UrraletZ
    UrraletZ 11 January 2014 09: 02
    +14
    Not input was a mistake, but conclusion. Because we got a Russophobian state weighing a damocle sword in the underbelly of Russian Central Asia. If they didn’t introduce the collapse of the Union, it would have started 10 years earlier.
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    2. ruslan207
      ruslan207 11 January 2014 09: 42
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      So let your relatives and fight in Afghanistan, of course, the input was a mistake and the USSR would have had as many finances and human lives as this war claimed
      1. Vladimir 70
        Vladimir 70 11 January 2014 10: 55
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        So let your relatives and fight in Afghanistan, of course, the input was a mistake and the USSR would have had as many finances and human lives as this war claimed
        Not everything is clear here. It’s better to fight on someone else’s territory than on your own. At the expense of finance and human lives: two Chechen wars took away no less ...
        1. ruslan207
          ruslan207 11 January 2014 11: 38
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          NATO no longer solo choked up now they are leaving, someone here put the cons to me those who want to fight can they explain that they are right
          1. aleshka
            aleshka 11 January 2014 15: 19
            +28
            I put you a minus, and I fought there for a year and a half !! my desire is to redirect the flow of drugs, which, not without US involvement, goes to Russia, to you in Israel!
          2. воронов
            воронов 12 January 2014 20: 29
            +5
            I put another minus for you, I fought both for the cordon and in Chechnya, and I hammered you that it’s better to fight on someone else’s territory, and not on your own.
          3. ekzorsist
            ekzorsist 12 January 2014 21: 05
            +2
            I was there .
            I can say one thing they fought not badly, you can establish contacts with the local population, even more so, many local population adequately treated the "shuravi", but political orders did not always agree with the military, and indeed with reality, which often gave a negative effect. Many schools, hospitals were built, but what to list ??? And so it is known ...
            The withdrawal of troops, all the more so "hasty" was more like a withdrawal .... although history itself will put everything in its place.
          4. Suvorov000
            Suvorov000 13 January 2014 15: 02
            +1
            NATO does not fight there; NATO makes money there; heroin does; does everything, but does not fight at all
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        3. ruslan207
          ruslan207 12 January 2014 23: 16
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          Vladimir 70-Thin world is better than a good quarrel in my opinion you are from Ukraine and not from Russia you ask the mothers of soldiers if we need war and so after the collapse of the Soviet Union died so much and you talk about your rotten populism
          1. Suvorov000
            Suvorov000 13 January 2014 15: 08
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            Ay gangrene, too, so slowly but slowly kills the whole body, so it’s better to immediately amputate, we are already overwhelmed with drugs, and what will happen tomorrow? Not only the forceful influence of morality can be read by children, and even then not by all
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      2. Sunjar
        Sunjar 11 January 2014 13: 16
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        Quote: ruslan207
        input was a mistake and the USSR would have been how much finance and human lives this war claimed


        I do not agree with you fundamentally. On the territory of Afghanistan, both before the introduction of the troops of the USSR and after the withdrawal, much more drugs were produced than during the presence of our military there. There was also a concentration of radical Islamists with training bases and all the things that came with it. If the troops had not entered, then all this rubbish: both drugs and extremist terrorists would have rushed to us, which actually happened (I hope you will not deny this). And the main objectives of the presence of our military were to eliminate these threats (as far as possible)

        With regards to the large number of deaths: 15 thousand in ten years, there are not so many even more for military operations - for ten years in ordinary everyday conditions young people die in car accidents, from accidents, from domestic quarrels and showdowns during drunkenness, and without drunkenness, too, while serving in the army, outside the fighting. And I am sure that these numbers are pretty close to each other. This is the first. Secondly: annually due to drug use, according to various sources, from 30 thousand to 130 thousand people die in Russia. What does the youth mostly have - the colors of the nation.

        And here you verbally draw a conclusion about the erroneousness of the introduction of the USSR troops in Afghanistan.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 11 January 2014 23: 35
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          Quote: Sunjar
          Even after the withdrawal, much more drugs were produced than during the presence of our military there.

          .and what about the international duty .. You seem to have forgotten the lectures of the political leader)) ... officially Ca was introduced into Afghanistan to prevent the entry of American troops .... what drugs ... there was almost a secular state .... level cultivation was at the lowest level ... this state was sovereign. independent .... it was then that they began to grow drugs on a massive scale in order to have the means to wage war and to undermine and transport it to the USSR .... it was necessary to wage a real war against drugs at home ... close tightly border .... by the way, why is it interesting right now do not go and do not fight there .... so, go .....
          1. aleshka
            aleshka 12 January 2014 16: 40
            +1
            Are you raving ??? what a secular state ??? just during the presence of our army, drugs were only quietly cultivated there !!! and the United States gave them unlimited drugs without war !!!
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        3. ruslan207
          ruslan207 12 January 2014 23: 20
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          But in Russia, they don’t grow drugs when the border doesn’t go through a dope, and secondly, I don’t grow drugs in Russia, but in Central Asia, and synthetic ones, you simply amaze me
          1. Suvorov000
            Suvorov000 13 January 2014 15: 12
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            like a Jew and you think the money is bad))))) we grow and produce at a loss, and if you even cover your head with seams, you’ll answer, it’s Afghanistan, where it’s all put on stream
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      4. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer 11 January 2014 14: 30
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        Quote: ruslan207
        So let your relatives and fight in Afghanistan, of course, the input was a mistake and the USSR would have had as many finances and human lives as this war claimed

        Based on your logic, the creation of the state of Israel in Palestine was a mistake. For 60 years of continuous conflict with the Arabs, how much finance and human lives this war claimed. However, your relatives are at war.
        1. ruslan207
          ruslan207 11 January 2014 15: 13
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          Israel fought to survive, it threatened him with destruction and the Soviet Union did not threaten anything
          1. Drosselmeyer
            Drosselmeyer 11 January 2014 16: 46
            +6
            The USSR did not threaten anything? Well, yes, just on occasion, the friends of the Mujahideen intended to incinerate with a nuclear strike, well this is a trifle.
            You see, the USSR was bigger than Israel, and therefore he had to fight not only in the area of ​​his capital.
          2. allexx83
            allexx83 12 January 2014 00: 31
            +2
            To survive? Arranging genocide against the Palestinians?
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            2. ruslan207
              ruslan207 12 January 2014 19: 55
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              allexx83 how many Tatars did you make in Crimea how many territories Russia took so Israel in its land there are historical documents of Josephus the Jewish wars here in Russia there was a recent terrorist attack Muslims did not Jews t
            3. And Us Rat
              And Us Rat 12 January 2014 23: 31
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              Quote: allexx83
              To survive? Arranging genocide against the Palestinians?

              Impudent sanctimonious lecimer lies, let it be known to you, in Palestinian schools they study "Mein Kampf" and describe Hitler as a great positive character. I sincerely wish you such neighbors am
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              1. ruslan207
                ruslan207 12 January 2014 23: 41
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                And who knows how these Arab countries appeared and their England, and France drew one of the Arab tribes in the First World War, they said you will fight against Turkey, get the state, but they are generally insignificant that they are Arabs, and what kind of Palestinians did the Romans invent them to forget? about Israel
              2. ruslan207
                ruslan207 12 January 2014 23: 41
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                And who knows how these Arab countries appeared and their England, and France drew one of the Arab tribes in the First World War, they said you will fight against Turkey, get the state, but they are generally insignificant that they are Arabs, and what kind of Palestinians did the Romans invent them to forget? about Israel
          4. aleshka
            aleshka 12 January 2014 16: 43
            +2
            Yes Yes! The USSR never threatened anything, but the poor citizens of Israel, I feel sorry for them !!! You count how many Arabs and Palestinians you plagued in 60 years !!!
            1. ruslan207
              ruslan207 12 January 2014 19: 48
              -3
              Aleshka, listen to me anyway how much you fought, maybe it was Jewish land as a cook, and the minuses do not upset me sorry that there are no 9 companies of the guy, he didn’t boast that he was there to see such a website
              1. aleshka
                aleshka 12 January 2014 20: 28
                +1
                how you bent! well, be so kind as to leave us and our not very kind site! and the boy from the ninth company, look less at the creations of the "great" Bondarchuk! well, and who I served for you it makes no difference, I will not explain to you!
              2. воронов
                воронов 12 January 2014 20: 34
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                Quote: ruslan207
                Alesha - Listen to me, no matter how much you fought, maybe the cook was

                And you try to fight at least the battalion cook on the front end, and not here behind the clave. laughing
                1. ruslan207
                  ruslan207 12 January 2014 23: 31
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                  voronov -and that I, too, was in the gas at the training camp in the second Lebanese city fell 150 meters from me are not afraid of war only crazy
                2. ruslan207
                  ruslan207 12 January 2014 23: 31
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                  voronov -and that I, too, was in the gas at the training camp in the second Lebanese city fell 150 meters from me are not afraid of war only crazy
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          5. Suvorov000
            Suvorov000 13 January 2014 15: 17
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            Nuuuuu dear sir, you have been defending and crying for 60 years, and Mother has been fighting off Russia since its inception, the USSR has been spread rot for half a century and now they are trying to destroy Russia.
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      5. Shogun23
        Shogun23 15 January 2014 09: 55
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        If the troops of the USSR had not been entered there, they would have certainly entered the United States (well, NATO), especially after the loss of Iran, they would no longer have a powerful outpost in Central Asia, on the border of the USSR.
        The losses in the war are written in the article, but how many of these same young people are dying from drugs coming from Afghanistan?
        But the worst thing is the words and actions of "liberals", "human rights activists" and other trash, in relation to their own army, and in many respects it was "thanks" to them that the collapse of the army of the 90s occurred.
    3. Guun
      Guun 11 January 2014 13: 37
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      Quote: UrraletZ
      underbelly of Russian Central Asia.

      When did this CA become Russian? Themselves Kyrgyz and Uzbeks with Tajiks, click on what the light is and then you. If you want to take Kyrgyzstan with Tajikistan to boot - they will agree, they will become an underbelly of Russian Central Asia. Forget about Kazakhstan, there are so many comments that I just want to say - friendship is friendship and tobacco is separate.
      1. aleshka
        aleshka 11 January 2014 15: 21
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        who needs Kazakhstan Kazakhstan ??? is your overpriced self-esteem!
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 11 January 2014 16: 20
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        Quote: Guun
        Forget about Kazakhstan, there are so many comments that I just want to say - friendship is friendship and tobacco is separate.

        Comrade, what is so valuable that you do not have in Russia? Do you want to live in a separate apartment, for God's sake? Only then just say, buy up land and enterprises, we won’t give it back.
      3. ymNIK1970
        ymNIK1970 11 January 2014 17: 05
        +21
        Kazakhstan is artificial education, like our Ukraine. And they are "independent" only because there is such a core state as RUSSIA. ALL the states of the post-Soviet space can be puffed up, insolent and portrayed when there is RUSSIA behind their ass. And if RUSSIA does "Forget about Kazakhstan", tomorrow they will walk over you with fire and sword. So pray that you are maximally dependent and connected with RUSSIA, this is the only way you can smoke "tobacco". But there is always another way. lol , come to Ukraine for permanent residence. Sip "nezalezhnost" wassat . Sincerely.
        1. aleshka
          aleshka 12 January 2014 08: 24
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          plus from the heart !!! my thoughts into words doomed !!!
        2. blizart
          blizart 12 January 2014 12: 07
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          Ukraine is artificial because you are all Slavs (further read the materials of the site), but with all due respect (even love) to the Russian people, Kazakhs are not Slavs. And they are not enemies. Recently we signed an agreement on Eternal (!) Friendship. About puffed up and daring. With whom do you prefer to go into a fight (and it is planned, read the materials of the site) with a daring initiative or creative. As for the "nuclear club", yes, they gave it up, because we are going to be friends. But if you are friends with the Slavic brothers, having taken a bite of independence, then we have everything in order with the economy, therefore our reasons for being friends will be more weighty
          1. воронов
            воронов 12 January 2014 20: 55
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            Quote: blizart
            Kazakhs are not Slavs.

            That's right, because you are far from the Slavs. You began to be called Kazakhs from the 20 of the last century, only thanks to the international policy of V.I. Lenin and the Bolsheviks, Kazakhstan was formed at the same time, first as an autonomous republic within the RSFSR, and subsequently Allied as a part of the USSR. And before that there was no such thing as Kazakhstan and Kazakhs, but you were Kyrgyz-kaisaks and you did not have a state, but there was a primitive-patrimonial tribal system and you roamed over the clans, by the way, you still have clan relations preserved and seriously affect your mutual relations, only you don’t advertise it. At least in each regional center you need to erect monuments to V.I. Lenin, and not to demolish them, and in Astana it is gold, as the founder of the state of Kazakhstan.
      4. nevopros
        nevopros 11 January 2014 22: 22
        0
        False "national self-identification" should be left aside. I have contempt for this topic. Is "Russian" for you a nationality?
        1. blizart
          blizart 12 January 2014 12: 14
          +3
          Here is a sober voice. Leave the flawed notion of "Russianness", Russian is civilization, this is messianism, these are meanings and ideas. Such a Russian world is simply great. This is what I say to you as a Korean
      5. воронов
        воронов 12 January 2014 20: 39
        +1
        Quote: Guun
        For Kazakhstan, forget

        We forgot about you a long time ago, but you yourself will crawl to us when the Chinese come to you, as you did when the Jungars slaughtered you.
      6. ekzorsist
        ekzorsist 12 January 2014 21: 15
        +1
        What is Kazakhstan?
        Inflated dummy!
        ... Anecdote on the topic - "... What is a Kazakh without show-off ??? - Pontovy Kazakh!"
    4. Guun
      Guun 11 January 2014 13: 37
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      Quote: UrraletZ
      underbelly of Russian Central Asia.

      When did this CA become Russian? Themselves Kyrgyz and Uzbeks with Tajiks, click on what the light is and then you. If you want to take Kyrgyzstan with Tajikistan to boot - they will agree, they will become an underbelly of Russian Central Asia. Forget about Kazakhstan, there are so many comments that I just want to say - friendship is friendship and tobacco is separate.
    5. kurtz755
      kurtz755 12 January 2014 19: 51
      0
      Arrival was paid for by the lives of the soldiers. Were you ready to pay?
  3. s1н7т
    s1н7т 11 January 2014 09: 14
    +6
    Something about Gromov was modestly written. I remember they were very interested in the military prosecutor’s office, no? Maybe someone knows the details?
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 11 January 2014 09: 49
      +17
      Quote: c1n7
      Something about Gromov was modestly written. I remember they were very interested in the military prosecutor’s office, no? Maybe someone knows the details?

      I do not know the ups and downs with the military prosecutor's office, but the fact that the prison is crying for him is for sure. When he was governor of the Moscow Region, he stole abruptly stools, sold the region wholesale and retail.
      1. creak
        creak 11 January 2014 10: 49
        +10
        It seems that, unfortunately, he will be given the opportunity to sit quietly in the Federation Council, although he has been free for over five years now ... He has brought the Moscow region to grips, one case with his deputy Kuznetsov is worth ... Negotiations are ongoing with the French authorities about his extradition. But Gromov’s generosity with regard to land and forest land with regard to the right people is also known - maybe this is the secret of his unsinkability ...
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 11 January 2014 12: 22
          +4
          By the way, what about Rutskoi? Well, what is not Russian John McCain? Well, that’s all right, that he was taken prisoner, then they bought him, then she and the war, there are no complaints, on the contrary - respect and respect.
          But! As the governor of the Kursk region, he also plundered and destroyed everything, and there was one of the most fertile South, black earth ... But he managed to "kill".
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 11 January 2014 14: 47
            +1
            Quote: Garrin
            By the way, what about Rutskoi? Well, what is not Russian John McCain?

            No need to compare the half-fool McCain with Rutsky, at least the minus is not correct for you.
            1. Garrin
              Garrin 11 January 2014 14: 54
              +1
              Quote: ed65b

              No need to compare the half-fool McCain with Rutsky, at least the minus is not correct for you.

              Firstly, I even thank you for not being anonymous.
              Secondly, why not compare if direct parallels are visible.
              Thirdly, Rutskoi crossed out all his military merits with banal theft.
              1. aleshka
                aleshka 11 January 2014 15: 23
                +2
                there are facts exactly on Rutskoi ???
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              3. valokordin
                valokordin 11 January 2014 15: 35
                +1
                Quote: Garrin
                thirdly, Rutskoi crossed out all his military merits with banal theft.

                But this is a dog’s lie, if that were so, then the authorities would not forbid him to run in the elections from the balcony area of ​​his apartment not indicated in the declaration, he was not honored by the thieves, and if he stole, they would certainly hide him.
            2. воронов
              воронов 12 January 2014 21: 20
              +2
              Quote: ed65b
              No need to compare Nerd McCain with Rutskoi,

              And why is it McCain in your half-fools and why is he worse than Rutsky? If from a military point of view, while military pilot John McCain is higher than Alexander Rutsky, he is a pilot of the U.S. Navy carrier-based aircraft, they don’t take half-fools there, this is a piece of product both from us and from us. And he was held captive by the Vietnamese for 5 years and no one bought him, despite the fact that his dad was an admiral. Rutsky was shot down twice during the short period, does this suggest some thoughts about his flight skills, with an undeveloped air defense system in the area of ​​hostilities? Yes, and as a politician, Rutskoi is more likely loser, unlike McCain. I'm not a fan of M kkeyna, but at least a little to be objectively necessary.
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 11 January 2014 13: 02
        +5
        Quote: Garrin
        I don’t know the ups and downs with the military prosecutor’s office, but the fact that the prison is crying for him is for sure

        Somehow I don’t even doubt it.
  4. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 11 January 2014 09: 26
    +16
    Quote: UrraletZ
    Not input was a mistake, but conclusion. Because we got a Russophobian state weighing a damocle sword in the underbelly of Russian Central Asia. If they didn’t introduce the collapse of the Union, it would have started 10 years earlier.

    I agree ... I already wrote here like that: When the troops were withdrawn from Afghanistan, they took an interview with one officer (I don’t remember who it doesn’t matter) But the meaning of the words is this ... "... Yes, we are leaving, but they all will trample behind us and then little will not seem to everyone .. "How to look into the water! And all these generals in the article played a fatal role in the fate of Russia ... God be their judge! I don't want to write anything about them ..
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 11 January 2014 13: 29
      +16
      Maybe the generals were good, but the politicians were spineless, besides General Rokhlin! Honor and glory to him! soldier
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 11 January 2014 23: 36
        0
        Quote: predator.3
        Maybe the generals were good, but the politicians were spineless, besides General Rokhlin! Honor and glory to him!

        I wanted to write ... ahead ... respect ... good hi
      2. воронов
        воронов 12 January 2014 21: 26
        0
        Quote: predator.3
        but the politicians were spineless, besides General Rokhlin! Honor and glory to him!

        Honor and praise to Rokhlin as a general, but not as a politician, if he were a good politician, he wouldn’t put himself under the bullet, which he hoped for when he entered such a dangerous game.
  5. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 11 January 2014 09: 50
    +4
    After reading the article, the sediment is so bad in my soul .. You look at these photos and only hold your teeth together and sigh .. (a lot of blood was shed thanks to them ..) As they say, why not be avoided .. Oh mother Russia ..
    1. Starfish
      Starfish 11 January 2014 12: 15
      +20
      generals-generals ... Russian generals, but I have no respect for them. sold, chickened, betrayed ...
      in difficult times for the motherland, the homeland of the generals did not have unfortunately ...
      only Rokhlin turned out to be a real Russian general. that’s the irony of fate, the Jew turned out to be more Russian than these thunders, swans, rooks
      1. воронов
        воронов 12 January 2014 21: 28
        +1
        I agree with you.
      2. воронов
        воронов 12 January 2014 21: 29
        0
        Quote: Starfish
        than these thunders, swans, rooks

        Especially the Swan Khasavyurt "peacemaker" Judas.
      3. O_RUS
        O_RUS 13 January 2014 21: 36
        0
        Quote: Starfish
        the homeland of the generals didn’t have, unfortunately ...
        only Rokhlin turned out to be a real Russian general. that’s the irony of fate, the Jew turned out to be more Russian than these thunders, swans, rooks


        ... sorry ... but not just Rokhlin. It is not necessary for the general to get into politics in order to do something for the homeland.
  6. makarov
    makarov 11 January 2014 10: 06
    +8
    We can draw the only conclusion from the above: - Do not hell with the military to climb into the government. There will be no good from this.
    1. creak
      creak 11 January 2014 10: 57
      +2
      Not certainly in that way. For some reason, it doesn’t work for us, but in other countries there were successful examples - De Gaulle, Eisenhower ...
      1. makarov
        makarov 11 January 2014 11: 12
        0
        .. Pinochet, black colonels in Greece ... etc. smile
        1. creak
          creak 11 January 2014 11: 25
          0
          In Greece, there have long been no black colonels, and that everything is normal in the country? The economy is a complete mess .... But Pinochet does not need to scare children ...
          1. makarov
            makarov 11 January 2014 19: 09
            +3
            "And there is no need to frighten children with Pinochet ..."

            Sorry Victor! I did not know about your age !!! laughing
  7. K.Shimada
    K.Shimada 11 January 2014 10: 22
    +4
    Frankly, I do not quite understand - why were they drawn to politics? As for me, when they left the service, it would be better if they were engaged in moral and patriotic education, there would be more sense. After all, a living example.
    And so ..., they began to call one Mercedes Pasha, the other general of all Russia imagines himself.
    It is a pity.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 11 January 2014 12: 50
      +3
      Quote: K.Shimada
      Frankly, I do not quite understand - why were they drawn to politics? As for me, when they left the service, it would be better if we were engaged in moral-patriotic education

      I can’t imagine a relatively young retired general, engaged in patriotic education - they just got into the taste of great power, what kind of “education” is there ?! So they continued their careers in power. For me, power corrupts morality and ethics irrevocably.
  8. kotvov
    kotvov 11 January 2014 10: 47
    +9
    God be their judge, but for me it’s a pity for Rokhlin alone.
  9. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 11 January 2014 11: 02
    +12
    Quote: kotvov
    God be their judge, but for me it’s a pity for Rokhlin alone.

    Rokhlin is not listed on this list ..He did not have time to say something important .. killed and hushed up ... Let the earth rest in peace for him ..
  10. Romanychby
    Romanychby 11 January 2014 11: 08
    +5
    A gang of hypocrites and thieves whose biography has been embellished. But it's not for me to judge them.
    1. ruslan207
      ruslan207 11 January 2014 11: 45
      -3
      And you mean honest, believe the Russian press that all thieves here are thieves, or a mountain of the USSR they just gave this gnernal
    2. ruslan207
      ruslan207 11 January 2014 11: 45
      -4
      And you mean honest, believe the Russian press that all thieves here are thieves, or a mountain of the USSR they just gave this gnernal
      1. Romanychby
        Romanychby 11 January 2014 12: 52
        0
        And you, then also so honest and believe the Russian press that they are heroes?
        For me, the heroes are those guys who "rotted in the trenches", and not the generals who sometimes drove near the front line (but not all, there were exceptions). And you, dear, do not seem to have served and do not know how most officers lead yourself on the field exits. Not to mention the combat actions. Who knows, he will understand.
        PySy: take your minus and yourself. Kindergarten.
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        2. ruslan207
          ruslan207 11 January 2014 15: 17
          +5
          You are mistaken, I served and we had a lot of Afghans officers and they were still not generals then 465 sorties from Rutskoi do you think it's easy?
  11. mad
    mad 11 January 2014 11: 13
    0
    About 50 to 50 divided, someone will be cursed for a long time, someone will remember with a kind word. Another percentage of violent death is alarming, it does not fit into the general statistics, especially among those who have not gone to
    chairmen of the board of directors of a cement plant in the Voronezh region
  12. Klim podkova
    Klim podkova 11 January 2014 11: 41
    +4
    That a great shoemaker does not have to be a good tailor is a fact that does not require proof. Many spheres of human activity are called art and require training over many years. But at the same time, it is believed that absolutely anyone can engage in politics, and it is not at all necessary to learn the art of building social relations. Therefore, many remarkable military men (artists, scientists), having gone into politics, become "politicians" and pawns in the hands of sophisticated professionals.
  13. individual
    individual 11 January 2014 11: 59
    +6
    Of course, according to the results of modernity, the Afghan war of the USSR / Russia was not needed.
    In the USSR, there was an ideology and the promotion of their way of life was done on all fronts. Where diplomacy was ineffective, a man came with a "gun".
    There is no ideology in modern Russia.
    Now there is a fear that a stranger will come to our borders with a "gun to guard the" pipe ".
    Everything is subordinated to the protection of the working conditions of the "pipe" for the good of a handful of capitalists and ensuring the welfare of their Western benefactors. am
  14. Timeout
    Timeout 11 January 2014 12: 03
    +18
    Swan ... An ambiguous character, in Pridnestrovie he showed himself as a good commander, so many believe. Well, then they began to call him in a narrow circle multi-colored. I remember how my fighter from the Stavropol Territory was glad that he was still alive, that he would be demobilized at a time when Lebed made peace with the spirits. Well, and then cursed, a month later militants stole his brother and sister. And I remember the words of my company commander, "Judas - he sold us, you still have to fight later!" Or they could have burned out the spirits to thaw, very little remained ...
    1. avt
      avt 11 January 2014 14: 13
      +5
      Quote: Timeout
      Swan ... An ambiguous character,

      Besides, he is rather limited as a politician. I blurted out what would come to my mind and even on camera. I will never forget his interview, which flashed once, where he, in a fit of frankness, trying to fulfill the clever one, said that he was like a rocket, but the others were like spent steps on the way to reaching his orbit. After the “worked out steps,” we thought about it and began to look for a more grateful boss, like the personal photographer who sold the photo on “vacation”, which was then posted at the right time in the press - his photo in a burka and hat on the plane after Khasavyurt, for example. Well, he himself, on the day of the paratrooper in Krasnoyarsk, on the stage, screwed up a couple of verses into the microphone, frankly said, “They kicked me out of the army, and I felt good there, well ... with them." , we thought that once it was suitable for blood, we would introduce him into the thought and he would be grateful, but no, it turned out that a man of honor and convictions does not trade, and even ready to follow them to the end, Leo did not want to become a trained poodle and bring home slippers to EBNu was going to. Here and, extinguished ", remember EBNovskoe under the camera -" Rokhlins sweep away! ".
    2. Black
      Black 11 January 2014 15: 42
      +3
      Quote: Timeout
      when Swan made a world of perfume

      Swan decided to make peace or not make ?? !!!
      A lot of honor.
      His business was- I’ll face a brick building. No more.
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 11 January 2014 18: 19
        +2
        For your information, everything that happened in Chechnya at that time was decided not by politicians, but by generals. The EBN with its sharashka made only high-profile statements, especially before the presidential elections. Well, Lebed, like a stuck friend of the EBN, plucked his voices and got a place as the representative of the prezik in Chechnya, helped to fulfill Borka's promises to end the war. So it was not us who made peace with the spirits, those who fought with them, but the Swan on whom everything depended, for the sake of the policy of the seller and the betrayer of all who died in this war.
  15. ICT
    ICT 11 January 2014 12: 23
    +7
    request comrade forgot:
    http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%B2,_%D0%A0%D1%83%D1%81%

    D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%A1%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87
    1. aleshka
      aleshka 11 January 2014 15: 27
      +1
      Aushev was only a major in Afghanistan, so he won’t roll!
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    3. RoTTor
      RoTTor 11 January 2014 15: 39
      0
      He was not the worst micro-president in his homeland.
  16. Boris55
    Boris55 11 January 2014 13: 04
    -1
    Who cares now is going online seminar: "From Viskuli to the new Union of Russian civilization." Members of the whole USSR.
    http://www.varga-online.ru/kpetv/
  17. sergant89
    sergant89 11 January 2014 13: 05
    +4
    Quote: K.Shimada
    Frankly, I do not quite understand - why were they drawn to politics? As for me, when they left the service, it would be better if they were engaged in moral and patriotic education, there would be more sense. After all, a living example.
    And so ..., they began to call one Mercedes Pasha, the other general of all Russia imagines himself.
    It is a pity.

    You forgot about such items: 1) as money (money, money, money, money, money)
  18. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer 11 January 2014 14: 43
    +2
    Careerists. Everyone imagined himself Napoleon and secretly thought about the presidency. It is impossible to say anything bad only about Rokhlin. Copper pipes and gold destroyed them.
  19. Boris63
    Boris63 11 January 2014 15: 00
    +1
    A good general cannot be a good politician, the "philosophy" is not the same. These went to the plate "on the wave", if not popularity then fame and the first steps with "military philosophy" have borne fruit. Then: who died, who began to "earn".
    1. ruslan207
      ruslan207 11 January 2014 15: 22
      +2
      Sharon for example was a general and a good politician Rabin
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  20. RoTTor
    RoTTor 11 January 2014 15: 38
    +1
    Alexander Lebed - did not have time to reveal himself as a politician. Could become a real star and hope of Russia. They did it ... It would be better for him to remain in the PMR and become a lifelong protector of Transnistria. There he idolizes for ending the war and rightly so. In Russia, he was let down by officer credulity - he believed the party prostitute Yeltsin ...

    Rokhlin - .... He was too strong and decent for Russian quasi-politics and not suitable for palace intrigues.

    Gromov is a “dutik,” thanks to the media. Veterans Afghans Dubynina appreciate a hundred korat higher.
    In the wake of popularity, Gromov, who became the commander of the Kiev district, easily became a deputy of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR in 1990. In fact, he turned out to be a rag: on November 7, 1990, commanding the strongest district, he wagged his tail in front of the Natsyuki and canceled the military parade on Khreshchatyk, somehow conducting it against ... the circus on Victory Square.
    By August 1991, he was already in Moscow - the 1st Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR, in whose hands were all operational units of the explosives. On August 19, he sat silently like a mouse in his office on Zhitnaya Square, and after cowardly denied that he was in Moscow at all.

    Rutskoi was simply a wimp. In 1993, he became the LAWFUL president, supported by the majority of the Federation. Not a hat for Senka ...

    Not a single outstanding military leader among those listed, by and large, was. That’s why they didn’t take the lead ...

    However, now there are no such generals either - only “SUVs” remained ...
    1. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer 11 January 2014 16: 10
      +9
      Naive Swan? Well, well ... the highest grade careerist. In 91, following a criminal order from Grachev, he ran to Yeltsin. Then, after Pridnestrovie, he contacted Berezovsky and was put up for election to bite off the votes of supporters of the "strong hand" from Zyuganov, which he successfully turned. Then they used it as a puppet in Khasavyurt, but Lebed had already got a taste for politics and happily agreed to frame the Russian army. Then he decided that he was a very cunning and irreplaceable politician and was already aiming for the presidency, for which he unsuccessfully flew in a helicopter.
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 12 January 2014 17: 11
        +1
        Mi-8s just don’t fall down, and Lebed is a former paratrooper and I doubt that his pilots had insufficient experience.
  21. santush
    santush 11 January 2014 15: 38
    +2
    Yes, Swan put in vain on a drunk! He was a good man!
  22. valokordin
    valokordin 11 January 2014 15: 47
    0
    Ariel Sharon is very sick, she can die, sorry.
    1. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 11 January 2014 16: 24
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      Ariel Sharon is very sick, she can die, sorry.

      7 years in a coma is that good in your opinion?
      1. atalef
        atalef 11 January 2014 16: 46
        +3
        Quote: Pilat2009
        7 years in a coma is that good in your opinion?

        Ariel Sharon passed away
        May his memory be blessed. Great person !!!!
        Condolences to all the people of Israel
        Ariel "Arik" Sharon (Sheinerman) was born on February 27, 1928 in the village of Kfar-Malal. His parents arrived in Eretz Yisrael in 1921. He gained his first military experience at the age of 14 when he joined the Haganah movement. At the age of 20, in 1948, during the War of Independence, he first commanded a platoon in the Alexandroni brigade, then a company, and towards the end of the war he led the reconnaissance group of the Golani brigade.
        Sharon received the officer rank only 1953 year after the completion of courses of intelligence officers.
        Sharon fought in four wars waged by Israel: the War of Independence (1947-1949), Operation Kadesh (1956-1957), the Six Day War (1967) and the Yom Kippur War (1973). ).
        In 1953, he organized and led the 101 Special Forces, whose main task was to carry out punitive operations against terrorist organizations.
        During the 1956 Suez Crisis, he commanded the 202nd Airborne Brigade. After the operation "Kadesh" he studied for a year at the British military academy Camberley, then entered the law faculty of Tel Aviv University.
        During the Six Day War (5 - 10 of June 1967 of the year), he commanded the 38th Armored Division, which broke through the Egyptian front and went to the Suez Canal, creating a decisive advantage for the IDF on the Sinai Front.
        In October, 1973, during the Doomsday War, the 143 Armored Division under the command of Sharon crossed the Suez Canal.
        In 1969, Sharon was appointed Chief of Staff for the Southern District. He rose to the rank of Major General of the IDF. Retired from the army in 1973. In the same year, he was elected to the 8th Knesset as part of the Likud party, but less than a year later he refused the deputy mandate because he wanted to focus on defense issues. He was an adviser to the Prime Minister on defense issues during the first tenure of Yitzhak Rabin in this post (1974-77).
        In 1983, he was forced to resign as Minister of Defense, as the state commission admitted his partial guilt in the massacre that occurred in the Palestine refugee camps of Sabra and Shatil in Lebanon on 16-17 on September 1982.
        In the governments of Israel, Ariel Sharon served as Minister of Agriculture (1977 – 1981), Minister of Defense (1981 – 1983), Minister of Trade and Industry (1984 – 1990), Minister of Construction (1990 – 1992), Minister of National Infrastructures (1996 – 1998), Minister of Foreign Affairs (1998 – 1999).
        In September 1999 he became the head of the Likud party. On March 7, 2001, he was first elected Prime Minister of Israel. Re-elected to this post in January 2003.
        In August-September of 2005, on the initiative of Sharon, a disengagement program was implemented - the complete evacuation of settlers from the Gaza Strip and the withdrawal of all units of the Israel Defense Forces from there.
        In November 2005, he created the Kadima party, taking behind him a number of prominent deputies from Likud and Labor.

        Ariel Sharon was twice married. His first wife Margalit died in a car accident in 1962. He later married her sister Lily, who passed away in March 2000 years at the age of 63 years. Sharon has two sons - Gilad and Omri.

        On January 4, 2006, Sharon was admitted to the Hadassah Ein Karem hospital in Jerusalem with a diagnosis of a massive stroke. He fell into a coma, from which he never came out.
        1. sevtrash
          sevtrash 11 January 2014 18: 43
          +1
          It seems that life has been lived with dignity, for the good and for the sake of his native country.
        2. alone
          alone 11 January 2014 23: 46
          +3
          condolences to the relatives of General Sharon. soldier
      2. Sol
        Sol 13 January 2014 08: 24
        +1
        "Blessed be his memory. May his blood be avenged."
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 11 January 2014 16: 39
      0
      That's just, like, they said - everything, died ...
  23. Black
    Black 11 January 2014 15: 53
    +1
    Quote: ruslan207
    Sharon for example was a general and a good politician

    Russia and Israel, as they say in the forerunner of the promised land in the city of Hero Odessa, are two big differences.
    The general in Israel is initially more of a politician, we have a warrior (it’s good if a good warrior).
  24. Federal
    Federal 11 January 2014 16: 40
    +4
    a sad interview Grachev ..... Obviously betrayal and departure from the oath of 91 when it was necessary to maintain the union cost him general health and as a result of life. Judas? Rather, a mistake of nature as Minister of Defense of the MoD ... The sad host of ebna, Burbulis, Soskovites, Stepashkins .... in general, the shame of Russian history ....
    1. ruslan207
      ruslan207 12 January 2014 23: 36
      0
      voronov -Yes, this grachev was no longer good or bad Serdyukov, Popovkin Makarov did less damage to his tongue that the t-90 is not better than the t-34
    2. ruslan207
      ruslan207 12 January 2014 23: 36
      0
      voronov -Yes, this grachev was no longer good or bad Serdyukov, Popovkin Makarov did less damage to his tongue that the t-90 is not better than the t-34
  25. pvv113
    pvv113 11 January 2014 17: 51
    +6
    In 1986-1987 he took part in hostilities in Afghanistan, although he subsequently denied that he fought against the Islamists in this country.
    DUDAEV CORRECTLY denied that he took part in the fighting in 1986-1987. TWO SHELVES - 402 AND 840 TBAP - 326 TBAD, WHICH THE DUDAI COMMANDED, COVERED THE WITHDRAWAL OF SOVIET TROOPS IN 1988-1989. THEN HE SUGGESTED THE CARPET METHOD OF BOMBETING. TU-22M3 AIRCRAFT THROWED FAB-3000, AND MORE FAB-1500 FOR MINING
  26. Aleksey_K
    Aleksey_K 11 January 2014 18: 49
    -1
    All these generals, like cowards, did not want to force Yeltsin and others to force Chechnya and Dudayev to peace. They fought mediocrely in Afghanistan, mediocrely "fought" in Russia.
  27. Isk1984
    Isk1984 11 January 2014 19: 18
    +6
    Rokhlin Lev Yakovlevich, in that fateful year 1998 could have changed history, by that moment he already had quite a bit of boiling (yes, many had boiled then), but he didn’t be embarrassed saying directly that the EBN and Co. were destroying the country, formations of the 8th Guards (Volgagrad) corps withdrawn from the German Democratic Republic, having passed the first Chechen one, they were ready to fire and water for their last Soviet general, so the power was in his hands, which is why the EBN and his camarilla really collapsed, through his bodyguards they removed Lev Yakovlevich ... Himself the corps was rapidly disbanded, loyal officers to Rokhlin were dismissed ... The 1th Guards was one of the few combat-capable formations capable of solving any tasks ...
    Eternal memory to Lev Yakovlevich ...
    There is a lot that can still be written to whom there are interesting links, you just won’t return a person, so you think where is the justice?
    1. paunch
      paunch 12 January 2014 11: 48
      0
      Yes. All were summoned to the FSB and "for health reasons"
  28. tundra
    tundra 11 January 2014 20: 05
    -1
    Quote: Starfish
    generals-generals ... Russian generals, but I have no respect for them. sold, chickened, betrayed ...
    in difficult times for the motherland, the homeland of the generals did not have unfortunately ...
    only Rokhlin turned out to be a real Russian general. that’s the irony of fate, the Jew turned out to be more Russian than these thunders, swans, rooks

    Is he a Jew? I hear it for the first time.
    1. воронов
      воронов 12 January 2014 21: 41
      +1
      Quote: tundra
      Is he a Jew? I hear it for the first time.

      Rokhlin is a purebred Jew by nationality, but I think this is not so important.
  29. Zomanus
    Zomanus 11 January 2014 20: 12
    0
    The truth about how they introduced and in what conditions there began to fight a separate story. A story showing that the life of a soldier in Russia is not appreciated nifig. Well, and yes, someone managed to rise, on the fact of participation in that war.
  30. Gato
    Gato 11 January 2014 20: 47
    +2
    By the way, I really liked the title of the article "How the campaign to the power of military generals ended."
    This is not always a bad thing - there are a lot of examples: Napoleon, de Gaulle, Eisenhower, Franco (he did not allow Spain to be drawn into WW2, except for the so-called "blue division" - these are thugs "offended" by the civil war), the same Pinochet (although I do not know about his military merits), or Mannerheim. You can blame them for anything - but not for lack of patriotism. Our Brezhnev is also a general (1944), albeit from the breed of political politicians (but his personal courage was never questioned).
    But with the colonels in politics, the situation is somewhat worse. request
  31. konvalval
    konvalval 11 January 2014 21: 56
    +4
    Yes, such as Rokhlin unfortunately one, two. For some reason, not a word about Shpak. He sent his son to the war, and Grachev's son went to serve in a Mercedes when he wanted, and when he did not want, he did not go.
  32. bublic82009
    bublic82009 11 January 2014 23: 44
    0
    their experience in politics is not much described. and they were not strong politicians. they could not compromise. could only set goals that's all.
  33. mango68
    mango68 12 January 2014 12: 03
    +1
    fire water, copper pipes and zilch. A trail of betrayal and betrayal = career above all. I believe that after cleansing the army with Khrushchev, a personnel catastrophe of the Russian Armed Forces began, which continues to this day.
  34. kush62
    kush62 12 January 2014 15: 15
    0
    Passed fire, water, for that someone else appreciates them. But the copper pipes did not overcome ...
  35. bubla5
    bubla5 12 January 2014 16: 21
    +1
    I agree, about the generals who violate the oath once, he will violate it four times, and we have taken the oath twice, and then they sold their homeland
  36. tank 34
    tank 34 12 January 2014 19: 11
    0
    Unfortunately, some of our generals in politics have too well learned the rule of corruption. It's a pity!!!!!!!!!!
  37. RoTTor
    RoTTor 12 January 2014 19: 54
    0
    Pinochet betrayed the head of state, to whom he swore allegiance. He is not a military general, therefore we are not considering.
    Napoleon, Eisenhower, de Gaulle, Franco, Mannerheim, Pilsudski outstanding presidents who have done a lot for their countries.
    Israel has set an example of real military victorious generals who successfully cope with any ministerial and prime ministerial posts. These are Moshe Dayan (Minister of Agriculture, Finance, Defense, Foreign Affairs), Yitzhak Rabin (Prime Minister) and Real Hero Ariel Sharon, who has died all the time.
    It is annoying that they, or from parents, come from our country. What kind of people we all lost.
    It would not have been necessary to ask to return back — to restore order, to eradicate terrorism, and to raise agriculture.
    Pattern: good ministers, premieres, presidents leave only military generals-winners.
  38. likurg1
    likurg1 12 January 2014 23: 38
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    empires are bloody, the gods of war have to pay, a union could not help but enter Afghanistan! and of the generals I respect Rokhlin, but in politics he just didn’t think
  39. VadimSt
    VadimSt 13 January 2014 01: 09
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    The military always came into politics when they thought that there was a mess in the country! Not all remained true to the original urge. Some tried to fix the situation, while others, plunging into it, put it at the service of their own interests and ambitions. Even military coups, almost always (with the exception of African ones), set themselves the goal of stopping the fall of the country into the abyss. Simply, local liberals assess this as a putsch, the international community, depending on their interests, and the people, depending on changes in their situation. This has always been and will be, for we value history and the personalities in it solely depending on our personal sympathies.

    In relation to this, I will give my opinion about the disagreements about yesterday's article: - "Forgotten ace of Russian intelligence. What Russia owes to Major General Nikolai Batyushin", because judging by the responses, not everyone is interested in other sections of the site, but here, from the discussion of the personalities of the generals , have already begun to move to interethnic squabble. Hence all our troubles - ours and others !.

    Disputes about the history of the Fatherland, as well as the role of individuals in it, will for a long time revolve exclusively with reference to the time "before" and "after". We are still trying to keep a record of "ours" from 1917. "Our" is the one who is for the revolution, all the rest are "not ours." All the time we are trying to persuade ourselves that everything was bad before the revolution, and then there was a general whim. I think that a banal reminder that who does not remember history has no future will always be relevant.
    I nostalgically recall the times of the Union - this is youth, this feeling of confidence in the future, stability and generally accepted morality and values ​​in society.
    But, for almost two decades in the party and events within it, and the country as a whole, it was already possible to make sure that equality, prosperity, morality and values ​​have a clear division into castes. The castes of the elect, from the party-Soviet nomenclature and the caste of the mass, which were conditionally divided into party and non-party.
    Even then, studying the history of the CPSU and political economy, somehow it did not focus on who laid the foundations of the Soviet-party nomenclature. Alas, this came later!
    What am I doing! Today Russia is returning its centuries-old history and this should be welcomed. The revolution, the Civil War, is a division into "ours" and "not ours" that must be overcome. It was during the times of revolutions and riots that it was always proclaimed that the fulfillment of the Military Oath is evil and a crime. I am not trying to touch the White Guards, but you cannot interfere with everything in one heap - military duty, honor, conscience, betrayal, punitive actions and mass repressions. This is the prerogative of the judiciary, not politicians!
    We are sometimes so obsessed that we forget to remember surname WHO LET, HOW WELL LETTER and in the end WHO turned out to be at the helm of the Revolution.
    Yes, it was led by people and mostly Russian. Only among the management, non-Russian surnames stood out sharply: - Aronchik, Aptekman, Axelrod, Goldenberg, Gelfman, Deutsch, Martov (Zederbaum), Dan (Gurvich), Axelrod-Orthodox, Steklov (Nakhamkes), Koltsov-Ginsburg, Abramovich , Kremer, Lyakhovsky, Eidelman, Ryazanov (Goldendach), Gurvich, Schhiz, Rosenblum, Kopelson, Ulyanov (maternal Blank), Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev (Radomyslsky), Kamenev (Rosenfeld), Larin (Lurie) and dozens more , German, Baltic and other surnames sealed by the History of the CPSU.
    Something like this ... History needs to be returned and not turned into a one-sided flounder, lying in one place!


    It is necessary to start with small, what exactly did or, on the contrary, a person did not do in the period necessary for the country!
  40. ko88
    ko88 13 January 2014 02: 41
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    there are a lot of worthy men among the "Afghans", but the most preferred among this cage, in my opinion, are Rokhlin and Shpak, but for some reason, they bypass all the misfortunes of a comrade who promised terrible to take in 2 regiments ?! so no one answered sow the day for the New Year's assault on the terrible and for the 131st Maykop brigade.
  41. valday
    valday 21 January 2014 14: 15
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    I wonder why Ruslan Aushev was not mentioned in the article.