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The development of Umka MZKT-590100 armored personnel carrier will be launched in Belarus

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The development of Umka MZKT-590100 armored personnel carrier will be launched in Belarus



The development of the Umka armored personnel carrier MZKT-590100 will be launched in Belarus. Belarus, according to many experts, could itself (or in cooperation with foreign partners) organize the production of wheeled tanks and armored vehicles.

In this context, it is impossible not to mention the Umka wheeled armored vehicle family (UBM), which the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant began to work on in the 2008 year.

Having studied the situation in the global arms market, the company concluded that its design-technological and production potential accumulated over many years of development and production of multi-axle wheeled all-terrain vehicles allows creating a wide range of wheeled armored vehicles with high combat properties.

And they are able to withstand the competition of leading foreign firms.

In this case, it was originally decided not to develop the machine based on the most advanced technical solutions.

First of all, it had to have an innovative electric transmission with a separate engine at each wheel.

For what was supposed to use asynchronous electric motors or electric motors with permanent magnets. For booking KBM the task was to use the most modern (including composite) materials. A circular survey of the crew should have been provided by the most advanced opto-and electronic means of observation. The same can be said about communications and fire adjustments. The construction of KBM was planned to be laid and the possibility of remote control of movement and fire. Towers and weapons at the first stage were to be purchased from foreign manufacturers. The project initiators are confident that, in addition to the MWTP, the implementation of plans for the creation of the KBM family would help show their innovative potential to many domestic academic and industry institutions, specialized design bureaus and industrial enterprises.

By the middle of 2010, the plant's specialists studied the designs of many existing armored wheeled vehicles, their advantages and disadvantages, while analyzing various types of electric transmissions, armor materials, etc. Preliminary negotiations with potential partners took place, their agreement in principle to participate in the project was received. However, later on, at the stage of concluding contracts for conducting R & D and opening state financing on them, the work on the creation of the MSC was stalled.



Technical characteristics "Umka" MZKT-590100:
wheel formula - 8x8
Curb weight - 14.000 kg
load capacity 6.000 kg
engine: diesel
power: 360-490 kW (hp)
Max. 130 km / h speed
min 2 km / h speed
n ground speed
satisfactory condition - 55 km / h
Max. speed afloat - 12 km / h
cruising range
fuel consumption - 1.000 km
overall dimensions: width 3.000 mm
height 2.000-2.300 mm
length 7.800 mm
ground clearance - 300-600 mm
air transportability - AN-124

At the same time, it is absolutely obvious that the problem of modernizing the armored weapons of the Belarusian army will have to be solved anyway. Otherwise, very soon they will not be suitable for combat use. And the best option is to maximize the use of one’s own abilities of Belarusian science and industry. And partner countries, as well as Belarus, interested in equipping their armies with state-of-the-art armored vehicles could well act as investors or co-investors.
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  1. awg75
    awg75 6 January 2014 09: 57
    -8
    it is very difficult nowadays to start production of modern armored vehicles from scratch. I don’t think that in the near future Belarusians will be able to get something worthwhile. Russia is going to refuse orders at the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant (which I think is absolutely the right decision because it increases the country's defense capability and better feed its workers), this is an all-Belarusian dad and is thinking about how to occupy the plant. good luck
    1. makarov
      makarov 6 January 2014 11: 15
      +27
      "I don't think that in the near future the Belarusians will be able to get something worthwhile."

      Belarusians do not hide the fact that the tower and weapons, that is, the module will be ordered in a fraternal country. And so, in principle, a completely feasible scale.
      1. crazyrom
        crazyrom 6 January 2014 17: 20
        -4
        I wanted to write:
        "and what does the BTR-82 not suit them?"
        and after I saw "that tower and weapons, that is, the module will be ordered in a brotherly country"
        - the question is: why bother with this if the fraternal country is already making the latest BTR-82?
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 6 January 2014 23: 17
          +4
          Quote: crazyrom
          - the question is: why bother with this if the fraternal country is already making the latest BTR-82?

          Well, as it were, he was already far from the newest, there was a rating just recently - I would put him in 10th place out of 10.
          That's when the fraternal country will be born boomerang - we'll see.
          1. Alexander Petrovich
            Alexander Petrovich 7 January 2014 17: 34
            +3
            The development of the Umka armored personnel carrier »MZKT-590100 will be introduced in Belarus, and he’s even glad of it)
            The development of the Umka armored personnel carrier »MZKT-590100 will be introduced in Belarus, and he’s even glad of it)
        2. StolzSS
          StolzSS 7 January 2014 00: 23
          +5
          because the electric transmission of things is interesting and useful if they bring it to mind, and we can stick our weapons ...
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 6 January 2014 13: 48
      +29
      Belarus from the very beginning with Russia, in the most difficult times, was together, so its success is our success!
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 6 January 2014 17: 12
        +18
        ShturmKGB
        Belarus from the very beginning with Russia, in the most difficult times, was together, so its success is our success!


        Belarusians need to applaud while standing, because for all the problems that the country is facing, they still manage to demonstrate their weapons. Honestly, I am very sorry that Ukraine is not Belarus, that would be an ally. And so, in their internal political dismantling, Ukrainians lost their entire handicap, which they had immediately after the collapse of the USSR.

        After all, the Ukrainian Army of that time was the strongest on the continent, and even having nuclear weapons. This will go into the tutorials by title "Bad decisions or how not to waste the country"
      2. rolik
        rolik 6 January 2014 21: 42
        +1
        ShturmKGB
        Belarus from the very beginning with Russia,

        I would very much like the Belarusians to be sharpened on UAVs of the middle and light class. This they would have done just fine.
        1. ruslan207
          ruslan207 7 January 2014 23: 33
          -1
          It does not interfere
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    3. URAL72
      URAL72 6 January 2014 13: 55
      +6
      It is a reasonable decision. Belarusians got a very militarized economy. It needs to be somehow supported by orders that would not exist without new developments. The article directly says - we are looking for investors! Russia may well join. And here’s what’s going to happen to Syabrov, we’ll see, the Ukrainian armored personnel carriers have already returned, while ordering the Russian ones. I hope the Iraq contract will go to good use and add money for new Russian developments.
    4. Uncle Yar
      Uncle Yar 7 January 2014 03: 27
      +5
      Mistake Belarusians are we. So that. no need to separate us. It is necessary to buy tractors from Minsk, and to produce at home. Then there will be parity and harmony))
    5. ruslan207
      ruslan207 7 January 2014 23: 27
      -1
      wg75-You don’t know much MZKT sold to Russia from the sale of the plant the means will be used to purchase equipment for MZKT
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  2. Corsair
    Corsair 6 January 2014 09: 58
    +10
    Quote: from article
    The development of Umka MZKT-590100 armored personnel carrier will be introduced in Belarus. Belarus, according to many experts, could itself (or in cooperation with foreign partners) organize the production of wheeled tanks and armored vehicles.

    What Belarusians will do! And there is no doubt ...
    It's just annoying that our allies and I are like: "... THE SWAN WITH CANCER pulls the PIKE" - we YOUR OWN We develop BTR, Belarusians OWN ...

    Well, is there no need to bring economies closer? Yes, and JOINT The APC would have turned out, I’m sure, for the eyes of our armies and the envy of our enemies ...
    1. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 6 January 2014 10: 18
      +25
      Look at the difference - even in the figure you can clearly see the reservation with hinged elements, rational angles of inclination of the armor in the frontal projection and avoiding dope when the armored personnel carriers (Typhoon) do with huge glazing - a pair of three 12,7 in glazing and hello to the driver.
      Look at the proposed weapon system, obviously 30mm and 4 ATGMs, for the MSR the APC is a cool car.
      And the second, even if there are two types of armored personnel carriers, our Russian and Belarusian, there will be no harm from this, we have a Union State and it is a sin not to use the design findings of syabrs, including for ourselves.
      Success to the Belarusians!
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 6 January 2014 10: 30
        +2
        Quote: vladkavkaz
        And the second, even if there are two types of armored personnel carriers, our Russian and Belarusian, there will be no harm from this, we have a Union State and it is a sin not to use the design findings of syabrs, including for ourselves.

        I share your wishes for the Syabram, but I do not agree with the possibility and likelihood of using Belarusian developments in the field of creating an electric transmission for the Russian promising development of the Boomerang armored personnel carrier without a SIGNIFICANT and, in theory, COST revision of the design.

        It would be more correct with "ZERO" and TOGETHER ...
        1. vladkavkaz
          vladkavkaz 6 January 2014 10: 48
          +4
          We, on the basis of the BTR ROSTOK, have already tested the electric transmission.
          What could be costly? If the scheme is 8 on 8, both here and there?
          Rather, it is necessary to recognize and choose the best scheme, and whether it will be like a traditional or electric transmission, joint tests will show.
          Anyway, the equipment must be reliable, repairable in the field, other items on the military hardware are directly unnecessary and harmful.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 6 January 2014 11: 15
            0
            Quote: vladkavkaz
            Anyway, the equipment must be reliable, repairable in the field, other items on the military hardware are directly unnecessary and harmful.

            This is exactly the "train" made at a modern electrical level and allows you to increase reliability and simplify maintenance and repair ...
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 6 January 2014 11: 19
            0
            Quote: vladkavkaz
            What could be costly? If the scheme is 8 on 8, both here and there?

            Layout issues. It is always easier to compose from scratch than to squeeze foreign elements into the finished armored hull.
      2. Plato
        Plato 6 January 2014 11: 46
        +7
        TYPHOON NOT APC. This is an armored truck and nothing more.
        I agree at the expense of large glazing. No armor curtains on the windows. And this is very bad. The shutters not only and not how much hold the bullet as they reduce the visible profile of the driver. Large-caliber machine guns and snipers in the infantry are more and therefore drivers will get out easily.
        In addition, the view from the cockpit of this car is very poor. The driver does not see the road five to six meters in front of the car. We need video cameras that open the "dead zone" directly in front of the car, otherwise leaving the rut will be the norm.
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 6 January 2014 13: 47
        +1
        Quote: vladkavkaz
        Look at the difference - even the figure is clearly visible ...

        Well, Winnie the Pooh painted a naked woman on the fence so well that Piglet thought she was real ... yes
        Really important, key technical solutions are often not visible from the outside even to specialists.
        Nevertheless, the involvement of Belarusian enterprises in the design and production of BTT would probably give a sense. There is a positive example with the Sosna-U tank sight (there, however, France also plays a key role).
      4. Basileus
        Basileus 7 January 2014 23: 29
        0
        Typhoon is not an armored personnel carrier.
    2. Plato
      Plato 6 January 2014 11: 37
      +2
      Your idea is quite logical, but the fact of the matter is that in Russia, almost all production of armored cars and infantry fighting vehicles is in private hands and partially belongs to Western investors. KAMAZ, for example. What they do at these factories is all under NATO control. you can object, they say, "Nonsense, because they do and create the same for the Russian army." Yes, they create and do something there. But, but has anything been adopted for service?
      The fact of the matter is that the army is buying all the same armored personnel carriers, morally obsolete, that is, they do not meet the needs of today's war. And there is nothing new. The same armored cars "TIGER" "WOLF" "BEAR" are not allowed to move. They pretend to be actively working on implementation. In the terminology of the 30s, this can be defined as sabotage. Do Belarusians need it?
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    4. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 6 January 2014 13: 15
      +2
      Quote: Corsair
      we are developing our own armored personnel carrier, Belarusians are our ...

      In my opinion, one does not interfere with the other, but rather the opposite. How many factories produced and how many tank models were simultaneously in production in the USSR?
    5. Alekseev
      Alekseev 6 January 2014 13: 40
      0
      Quote: Corsair
      What Belarusians will do! And there is no doubt ...

      They will do something, or rather, they can do it in cooperation with the Russian Federation and other leading manufacturers of BTT. But, as in the joke about the elephant in the zoo: "He's a bit eater, but who will give him?" wink
      How many of these armored personnel carriers do you need? And money is not dimensionless for anyone. request
      It is most advisable to make a single machine, incorporating the best developments allied countries. As, in fact, everywhere.
      And to compete, not among themselves, as d ..., that is, to blame, as stupid, but with "purely" foreign samples
    6. Nick
      Nick 6 January 2014 14: 31
      +3
      ]
      Quote: Corsair
      "... THE SWAN CANCER pulls the PIKE" - we are developing OUR APC, the Belarusians OWN ...

      Quote: Corsair
      A joint APC would, I am sure, turn out to be a sight for sore eyes to our armies and to the envy of our enemies ...


      Perhaps you are right, and the production of joint development could be organized both in Belarus and at Russian plants ...
  3. svp67
    svp67 6 January 2014 10: 08
    +14
    "Umka" is already funny, but when it is done, I think many will not be laughing ... Good luck to the syabram ...
  4. Horde
    Horde 6 January 2014 10: 13
    +1
    clever Belarus electric drive is LOW QUALITY + SAVING FUEL. Landing, as I understand it, will dismount backward. They wrote that Russia seems to have set up the production of high-capacity batteries, I haven’t heard about Belarus.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 6 January 2014 13: 42
      0
      Quote: Horde
      I haven’t heard about Belarus.

      they have a huge battery factory in Pinsk ... a joint venture ..
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 6 January 2014 13: 57
      +1
      Quote: Horde
      They wrote that in Russia, it seems, they established the production of high-capacity batteries

      And then the batteries ... wassat
      We are talking about electric transmission ... I understand that not all experts in this matter, but we need to ask before giving comments.
      1. ruslan207
        ruslan207 7 January 2014 23: 36
        +1
        Alekseev Belaz has long been releasing equipment with such a transmission
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 8 January 2014 10: 26
          0
          Quote: ruslan207
          Alekseev Belaz has long been releasing equipment with such a transmission

          With such a transmission, not only Belaz, but also many more who produce equipment. A classic example: DET-250 (DET-320) tractors manufactured by ChTZ from 1957 to the present. wink
          But ... Such heavy industrial tractors are produced only by ChTZ in the world. Other manufacturers went the other way (hydraulics), and there are no fools sitting there. yes
          Why is the tractor still being released, but there are no armored personnel carriers yet? Because there are serious problems in using such a transmission specifically for BTT. (a mining dump truck and a bulldozer are not armored personnel carriers at all).
          I will not develop the whole problem in a short comment. Take an interest yourself, if interested. But in short I will say that the main obstacle is the mass-dimensional characteristics of such a power transmission.
      2. ruslan207
        ruslan207 7 January 2014 23: 36
        0
        Alekseev Belaz has long been releasing equipment with such a transmission
  5. kind
    kind 6 January 2014 10: 14
    0
    It is unlikely that Belarusians need this. And that is enough for now. Better yet, they invent multi-functional MAZs for the Arctic, so that they can live and work in difficult ice conditions, and if anything, cross from ice to ice. These machines will be needed very soon.
  6. Barakuda
    Barakuda 6 January 2014 10: 17
    +4
    Still "Stalker" is not cold, they are already thinking about a new one, Well done!
    1. GastaClaus69
      GastaClaus69 6 January 2014 11: 49
      +1
      I hope it will not be with Umka as it is with Stalker.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 6 January 2014 13: 44
        +2
        Quote: GastaClaus69
        I hope it will not be with Umka as it is with Stalker.

        Well, the names of these machines))))) it would be better to call, Old Man or Kolya smile
  7. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 6 January 2014 10: 24
    +10
    Unfortunately, Russia will not be able to completely abandon the MLCT. The Bryansk plant will not be able to pull everything out, and he has no developments for example for the Strategic Missile Forces. Kamaz is not ready for this either. And for example, I have no complaints against Belarusians and never will. This armored vehicle is just a way to download kb and try to win a piece of the market and rightly so that they do it.
    1. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 6 January 2014 10: 54
      +16
      I wonder why unfortunately?
      If we have a Union State, then why such pessimism and a desire to destroy the MZKT for the sake of BAZ?
      Isn’t it easier to decide -MZKT-its own niche-heavy tank tractors and the Strategic Missile Forces, BAZ medium-sized tractors and air defense base, artillery systems?
      KAMAZ-there are four-axle KAMAZs here, under the connection, the car is good, but it’s somehow not very fit, difficult for the driver in the army and even more so conscript. The gearbox, they stuck the German one, there are no screwdriver assemblies producing these gearboxes, and your sample the price is three times cheaper than the plant does not want to put.
      Belarusians set up production with the maximum localization, everything is at home, but what about ours? For example, a UAZ 3151009-engine Iveko car, bridges, a Korean checkpoint, a mounted German-ours-well corps, and how to repair this car, in case of war?
      1. 1c-inform-city
        1c-inform-city 7 January 2014 01: 49
        +3
        I agree (unfortunately it’s not appropriate), maybe at the time of writing I didn’t think or Ukraine was in the brain. And he always treated KAMAZ badly, if only because the Uralaz was destroyed from their supply. I used to work there. But KAMAZ itself could not make a reliable and army-friendly machine. Whatever they do, they get a highway car with a small military resource. By the way, the four-axle vehicles are assembled in the Uralaz since KAMAZ bought them.
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 6 January 2014 11: 45
    0
    I would suggest not reinventing the wheel, let them take part in our program!
    And for their army they could master the assembly of the main components and components in Belarus or produce special vehicles on a common chassis. For example, a medical module, chemical intelligence modules and a lot of opportunities to occupy their production capacities !!!
  9. kelevra
    kelevra 6 January 2014 11: 49
    +4
    Belarusians have sensible engineers, so they set real goals for themselves and all the more have the opportunity to develop such machines! So why not.
  10. alone
    alone 6 January 2014 12: 10
    +5
    The BTR is very good. I am sure that some will be interested in these products of the Belarusian military-industrial complex. Good luck to the brothers Belarus.

    P.S. and TTX as it is decent.
    1. rolik2
      rolik2 7 January 2014 17: 36
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      BTR is very good

      They get the statements of such people.
      There is no APC yet, but it is NOT BAD anymore.
      Belarus hasn’t released an armored personnel carrier before and what difficulties it will encounter when designing it and in the short run it can be seen in Ukraine as an example (though now the most active people will start telling me that Belarusians say they’re not Ukrainians have an old man)
      But in reality, we must admit that there will be problems, and the main problem is the Russian defense industry, they do not intend to lose the sales market for their armored personnel carriers, and in any case, not a little effort was made to ensure that this project remained only on paper.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 7 January 2014 20: 46
        +1
        Quote: rolik2
        But in reality, we must admit that there will be problems, and the main problem is the Russian defense industry, they do not intend to lose the market for their armored personnel carriers,

        Problems will only be when selling abroad, as Old Man in the West is considered the last dictator of Europe. And for Russia, the competitor still needs to grow strongly
        1. rolik2
          rolik2 8 January 2014 00: 58
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          when selling abroad

          What does a competitor have to do with it? they will not lose the potential wound of Belarus for the sale of their equipment, and this project will die in the development stage.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 8 January 2014 11: 18
            0
            Quote: rolik2
            What does a competitor have to do with it? they will not lose the potential wound of Belarus for the implementation of their technology,

            Which market? Belarus that Saudi Arabia, which buys 1000 pieces of tanks?
            And with the money they have strained and our allies, they are all at a reduced price and in installments are often released
      2. Basileus
        Basileus 7 January 2014 23: 33
        0
        Nevertheless, now armored personnel carriers are letting out all and sundry. Light armored vehicles are not MBTs, even countries without technologies and positioning themselves as non-aligned have long been making them. Belarusians have good automobile production, and the declared characteristics are up-to-date. So why should he come out bad?
        1. ruslan207
          ruslan207 7 January 2014 23: 37
          0
          Basileus -In Soviet times, on the MTZ and BMP you let out in the know and the chassis for the tunguska
        2. ruslan207
          ruslan207 7 January 2014 23: 37
          0
          Basileus -In Soviet times, on the MTZ and BMP you let out in the know and the chassis for the tunguska
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 7 January 2014 23: 45
            0
            Well, in this case, the wheeled chassis is very different from the caterpillar) Here, most likely the question is for BelAZ and the MZKT - most likely, they have similar developments.
      3. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 8 January 2014 23: 14
        +1
        Any technology is aging over the years. Not only physically, but also morally.
        My personal opinion is that everything in this aspect is being done right. If we were already able to upgrade the MiG-29. then, I think, we can handle the armored personnel carriers. We didn’t ask for our plants ... do we seem to produce personnel (thank God, education on a Soviet basis remains in the institutes). NOBODY talks about creating something supernova . No Russia will lose sales markets here. Yes, and what to lose -200BTR-s, this is something, because of what Russia will plunge into the abyss ??? Do not tell me.
        There is a proven armored personnel carrier. The task of the plant is to disassemble, clean, replace the worn out, INSTALL more advanced weapons and ASM. If TTX transmissions allow, add additional reservation. parameters of the end of the 20th century. pull up to the parameters of the beginning of the 21st century. What is the problem? The plants are loaded, people are working, the army is getting combat units of its assembly. Save on maintainability. Which Russian military-industrial complex will suffer? We have an agreement on mutual military assistance. Well, let's ask - they will help to install weapons, even if it’s their own (does not play a role). Like it? Let them order it. No? So we do for ourselves, not for sale.
        And all the ranting about big politics in this case is RIDDEN! You need to look deeper, both from the point of view of the needs of your army and the capabilities of the economy. All "beloved" 3,14 Endos from overseas have not released their "Abrams" for a long time, but only the wounded ones are sent back to their "dovecote", sort out, modernize and again into battle, under the sights of RPGs. So I don't see anything wrong with trying to modernize armored personnel carriers on my own.
        Adieu, Amigo soldier hi
  11. Plato
    Plato 6 January 2014 12: 12
    -1
    The machine proposed by the Belarusians for development is more similar to a fire support vehicle than to the classic armored personnel carrier. No side hatches for landing. Only the top ones.
    This version of the car is unlikely to find many buyers.
    And the version of such weapons deployment itself says that the designers represent the war in its classic version - two opponents clashed their foreheads and butted.
    Modern war is a little different. Where you are alone and fight at all 360 degrees of the upper hemisphere.
    Therefore, the weapons that are now being offered and installed on fire support vehicles are practically unprotected - the mechanisms for supplying cartridges, magazines with cartridges and shells, and the machine guns themselves with anti-tank launchers are practically unprotected. Namely, MOS is supposed to be used to suppress infantry, which is increasingly sitting in high-rise buildings. This means that cars will be used in residential areas where there are plenty of fragments and ricochets.
    Therefore, you need a reasonable reservation. And the ability to replace optics, reload weapons from inside the cab.
    See the chronicle of the war in Syria. There, at the armored vehicles, everything that grows outward - optics, machine guns, etc. is damaged or completely destroyed.
    I can say one thing - if Belarusians need a light armored vehicle, I can help in its development.
    1. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 6 January 2014 17: 27
      +1
      Plato
      A colleague, is the war in the Czech Republic classic or not?
      Armament BTR80, classics, two machine guns and everything comparable with what is offered?
      Judging by the tower, it is uninhabited, and armor protection on ATGMs is not a problem to establish, and it is unlikely that the Belarusians did not take into account the firing angles, the possibility of reloading, including from the experience of LANs during the layout.
      And then, you do not confuse the armored personnel carrier as a means of delivery and support of infantry with a tank, after all there is a BUS3 hXNUMX, everything is spelled out there. As for how, where and for whom it is moving, who how, what and why the friend of the friend is covering. But when confused, sour with square, we get a mountain of scrap metal on city streets and battered infantry ...
      Optics, well, they gave it to God .. but is it not an option that the spare parts in the spare parts are replaceable in case of damage, is it not an option that serious damage to other optical systems changes in remrot, rembat or any other remorgan?
      A fantastic action movie, in which you don’t understand how, but infa from the outside, is transmitted inside the car, does not confuse it?
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 8 January 2014 10: 47
        0
        Quote: vladkavkaz
        But when confused, sour with square, we get a mountain of scrap metal on city streets and battered infantry ...

        Absolutely accurate definition! good
        There’s no idea that there is a separate category that hide from the enemy’s massive fire in a combat vehicle, albeit heavy - a dead number. fool
        Shell always had, and will have advantage over armor.
        technical solutions for enhancing projectile power are two orders of magnitude simpler than for creating powerful BTT reservations.
        Do not substitute! Suppress the TCP and, in general, the enemy with fire. This is the meaning of tactics. Though in the city, even everywhere.
        They want the APC to reliably protect against RPGs, and then the tank, in general, from everything ...
        If they make, say, an armored personnel carrier in Belarus, so that it would "hold" 12,7 B-32s from 150-200 m and weigh no more than 20 tons at the same time, and a PT mine of 8-8 kg of explosive, would only tear off the wheel and give a light concussion to the crew during an explosion, then it is necessary to award the designers "Nobel Prize" and kiss in all places.
  12. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 6 January 2014 12: 20
    +3
    I wonder if the electric transmission will withstand the electromagnetic impulse during a nuclear explosion, is it possible that armored personnel carriers will be immobilized?
  13. vostok1982
    vostok1982 6 January 2014 12: 21
    +3
    Belarusians will not get BTR-4, but a normal high-quality and inexpensive car. I am sure it will be in demand among poor countries.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 7 January 2014 13: 42
      +1
      Quote: vostok1982
      Belarusians will not get BTR-4, but a normal high-quality and inexpensive car. I am sure it will be in demand among poor countries.


      Duc, a colleague, it has long been known to everyone that in Belarus, Butsky, everyone who wants to cut it, can easily do what they love ... to cut wood in a striped robe under guard. From that, everything turns out inexpensively and efficiently.
  14. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 6 January 2014 12: 32
    +11
    Well, Belarusians should not be discounted, especially when they got a similar miracle machine - 2T "Stalker":




    But, given the not very rosy financial situation, it is hardly believed that an armored personnel carrier will be built.
  15. vomag
    vomag 6 January 2014 13: 42
    -7
    Yeah, the food is fresh yes * hard to believe !! This is a state production with idiots at the head there is no initiative, and most importantly, they started to develop hell, he knows when and now they are eating credit because there is nothing to pay salaries in banks on bail for 2 years now !! and what will these DUELS do to you there ?? believe more in these tales as they say load a sucker while it’s warm !!!
    1. SergBrNord
      SergBrNord 8 January 2014 09: 45
      +1
      On the Charter 97. There are waiting for you.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 8 January 2014 23: 20
        +1
        Yes, he probably will be from theirs, enty Chartians ... bully
  16. Gronsky
    Gronsky 6 January 2014 13: 50
    +4
    Belarusians are great, and the MZKT plant is a pearl. It’s a sin not to use such a potential of Russia.
    That's how it should be - without noise, dust, presentations, urapatriotic slogans, promises of cosmic results, though without much money. They just took it and started to do it, and personally I’m sure that they will do it right. At least in transmissions, chassis, propulsion, the experience is huge. And if you look at the latest developments of the MZKT, you can see that they are made very culturally, both in design and in production. Russian counterparts in these indicators do not reach the Belarusians.
    That's at least the MZKT6001 http://gallery.ru/watch?ph=3ny-c8MDy
    http://russianarms.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1569&p=3
    compare with BAZ6402 http://truck-auto.info/sng/635-6402.html

    Here is the MZKT5002 http://www.russianarms.ru/forum/index.php?topic=12501.0
    than not a replacement for the legendary shishigi. In fact, KAMAZ43501 http://russianarms.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1140 went to the Airborne Forces heavy, oversized chest.

    In general, the MZKT has potential, there is no money, and the enterprise is not Russian. So you need to make it Russian, especially in the light of the upcoming unification of KAMAZ and MAZ. Throw a cache (no larceny was observed for Belarusians, everything is tough there, dad doesn’t doze off), connect your achievements in armored corps, weapons, power plants, connect your factories, test sites and research institutes. In general, to give both Belarusians and themselves to earn a result, I think it will be ....en.
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      1. SergBrNord
        SergBrNord 8 January 2014 09: 44
        0
        To the Charter. It is advisable to read the content and hang yourself.
  17. Zomanus
    Zomanus 6 January 2014 14: 04
    +1
    Well, let them develop. Fortunately, they have almost all components will be domestic.
  18. AlexA
    AlexA 6 January 2014 14: 06
    +1
    [
    Quote: Plato
    TYPHOON NOT APC. This is an armored truck and nothing more.

    Quote: Plato
    armored cars "TIGER" "WOLF" "BEAR" are not allowed to move. Pretend to be active

    I don’t understand something. This is your assessment is not an armored personnel carrier. These are the trucks. So why introduce them?
  19. propolsky
    propolsky 6 January 2014 14: 21
    +2
    By now, we have such an economic situation that we need to think about how people pay a pay, and not about development. This Stalker has been transported to exhibitions for 20 years, and it seems that this is an occasion to relax abroad at the expense of the people.
  20. Russ69
    Russ69 6 January 2014 14: 24
    +3
    Belarusians want what to do from armored vehicles. then for God's sake, God forbid it will work out. But it’s probably for them and us, it’s better to create together. And money is saved and the loading of enterprises will be mutual ...
  21. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 6 January 2014 15: 35
    -2
    It’s better than digesting Soviet armored personnel carriers and trying to get them into Iraq ...
    1. GastaClaus69
      GastaClaus69 6 January 2014 16: 04
      +2
      Yes, they don’t digest them, they simply remove the water cannons + screen armor + air conditioning and D-80 and go to Iraq under the BTR-80UP index.
      1. Prapor-527
        Prapor-527 7 January 2014 09: 15
        -1
        "UP" - Ukrainian overcooked? smile
  22. iSpoiler
    iSpoiler 6 January 2014 17: 43
    -5
    In my opinion, garbage is suffering ..
    An 80 BTR is taken, a "Berezhok" is put on it, a diesel engine of 500 mares, all this is armored with different screens, dynamic armor (the same arena, for example, or a relic), and here's a wheeled mother of his tank ...
    Drawn a wheel to invent .. ?? but of course my IMHO .. but as usual ..!
  23. Urri
    Urri 6 January 2014 18: 19
    0
    There is no need to entertain illusions. Those who in the Republic of Belarus can really do it, run away from such projects wherever they look. The directors of large enterprises in the Republic of Bashkortostan at the word "military representative" subconsciously rummage around their holsters. The project of a crane for the military at MAZ has been a continuous talking shop for the third year, the production management is doing everything possible not to make a prototype. And the enterprises, brought together in the Goskomvoenprom, are headed by former officers. People, of course, are talented, but they are still infinitely far from the real issues of design and production. And the deputy for production, who has survived the last 3 years in his position, is not a question to breed them. And the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Belarus itself is ready to buy cranes on a road chassis in a civilian version of 20 years of development at penny prices, but for the purchase of a specially designed MAZ for loading and unloading ammunition of ALL types, with the functions of TZM, the newest all-wheel drive high cross-country vehicle crane, which covers purchased today TO ALL characteristics, like a bull to a sheep - I'm sorry, no matter how much happens. And so everywhere, including the MZKT. All those who were the GENERATORS of ideas were turned away from the MZKT. They sit at other enterprises, including the Goskomvoenpromovsky ones, and lick their mental wounds. Because replacing a world-renowned developer in his field with the director's son-in-law or the ideological deputy's nephew is like two fingers on the asphalt. The salary is seductive, and there is no hassle with a ruffy professional in the future. For the rejection of the finished product by the military representative, the directors will be taken away like a bride, and for the production of a promising model on time, they will be taken away again, more "badly colored", for to give a premium - there is such a mushroom in the forest - a suction mushroom.
    There will be no new military equipment in Belarus. Do not wait.
    1. ruslan207
      ruslan207 7 January 2014 23: 41
      0
      Urri-Yes, you write nonsense on charter 97 is better to write it there you will be happy
    2. ruslan207
      ruslan207 7 January 2014 23: 41
      0
      Urri-Yes, you write nonsense on charter 97 is better to write it there you will be happy
  24. waisson
    waisson 6 January 2014 18: 50
    +3
    Well done, I wish success, Old Man knows what he’s doing doesn’t let the obaron disappear
  25. Current 72
    Current 72 6 January 2014 22: 25
    +6
    I won’t convince anyone or persuade anyone. We must stop verbiage, and together with the Russian design bureaus, take it into development, and use only our joint developments. This will be the ideal unification of both development and the production of spare parts. And even more so from whom we will not depend on in the case of force majeure.
  26. uestlend
    uestlend 6 January 2014 23: 33
    0
    I think they won’t be able to drive soon, the new chassis that was developed for the TOP and BEECH is falling apart without having passed a hundred meters.
  27. shurup
    shurup 7 January 2014 01: 23
    0
    I would prefer two six-wheeled armored personnel carriers with a conventional transmission instead of the proposed one. And so that one, armed with the proposed installation, telecontrolled the second inhabited.
    You can control two or three. Those. play thimbles with the opponent - let him guess where the ball is.
    Military fraud is called cunning.
    And the ball wasn’t in BeTeeRe at all.
    This is what Belarusians can do, but not the MZKT, but how I can imagine the BTR of BELAZ development ...
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 7 January 2014 14: 15
      0
      Quote: shurup
      I would prefer two six-wheeled armored personnel carriers with a conventional transmission instead of the proposed one. And so that one, armed with the proposed installation, telecontrolled the second inhabited.


      Shirokorad has a good quote-sentence teleoperated tanks.
      http://profilib.com/chtenie/126872/aleksandr-shirokorad-chudo-oruzhie-sssr-tayny
      -sovetskogo-oruzhiya-7.php
      http://profilib.com/chtenie/126872/aleksandr-shirokorad-chudo-oruzhie-sssr-tayny
      -sovetskogo-oruzhiya-8.php (just a long quote and links to two consecutive pages are indicated)
      I think that with regard to the armored personnel carrier it will turn out about the same absurdity. By the way the TU-machine moves uncertainly along rough terrain, quickly (tea is not fools there too) they will buy the one from where it is being controlled and carry it with two crews at once. Everything else, the price of the matter, THAT, control in battle is higher in the link.
  28. D_L
    D_L 7 January 2014 11: 05
    0
    Judging by the performance characteristics of the car should be decent.
    But like everyone will have their drawbacks and somehow they must be taken into account.
  29. savantol
    savantol 7 January 2014 11: 59
    +1
    There was no predatory privatization in Belarus, there were no large-scale layoffs of engineers, the staff remained in place, they, in turn, raised others, so that Belarusians are quite capable of making a good armored personnel carrier (not talking about weapons).
  30. Watchman
    Watchman 7 January 2014 14: 37
    0
    I would like for the MZKT to succeed and the plant to remain in action.
  31. konvalval
    konvalval 7 January 2014 17: 08
    +3
    Good luck, Syabry. You, with your chieftain, will have everything the way.
  32. EGORKA
    EGORKA 7 January 2014 23: 28
    0
    What for a goat button accordion?)) On which market do they rely on their own? Russian plus vehicle? So a competitor to the Russian t-82a and Kurgan? we need it, no, an empty idea.
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 7 January 2014 23: 48
      0
      They will sell it. Serbian Lazarus arouses considerable interest among buyers, so why not Belarusians try? We have not yet seen the Kurgan, and the BTR-82 is not a competitor to this machine.
  33. Basileus
    Basileus 7 January 2014 23: 37
    0
    An-124. How long has Ruslana been in service with Belarus?