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Does Armenia have an alternative to the Customs Union?

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In early September last year, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan announced that Armenia is ready to embark on the path of joining the Customs Union. November 6 signed agreements to deepen cooperation with the EEC (Eurasian Economic Commission). In December, at a meeting of the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council, the Armenian delegation put its signatures on the documents that open the door for Armenia to join the Customs and Eurasian Economic Unions.


The integration course in the Customs Union for Armenia is already bearing the first results. At the end of the year, the Russian gas super giant Gazprom signed with ArmRosgazprom CJSC a contract for the supply of Russian “blue” fuel to Armenia, up to 2018 of the year. To clarify: 80% of the shares of ArmRosgazprom CJSC belongs directly to Gazprom, and 20% to the Government of the Republic of Armenia.

The total supply should be 12,5 billion cubic meters. At the same time, the contract allows Armenia to save about 1 billion dollars over the next five years, as the pricing policy has changed for Armenia after signing the above agreement. If before the onset of 2014, the price of gas for this Caucasian state was about 270 dollars per thousand cubic meters, then under the new agreements the price is reduced to 189 dollars for the same volume. For example: Belarus has been receiving Russian gas at the price of 175 dollars since the beginning of the year. In other words, the price of gas for Armenian consumers (or rather, for ArmRosgazprom, that is, the price “at the entrance”) differs little from the price inside the Customs Union. The extra charge in 14 dollars for 1000 cubic meters of gas arises from the calculation of transportation (it is somewhat easier to bring gas to Belarus than to Armenia).

However, for some reason, the Armenian leadership and such a price for Russian gas seemed high. Literally at the very beginning of this year, Armenia decided to hold talks (by the way, regular ones) on possible gas supplies from Iran. At the same time, according to Minister of Energy and Natural Resources Armen Movsisyan, the focus of such negotiations will be on possible supplies of Iranian gas to the republic at a price lower than 189 dollars per thousand cubic meters (that is, at a price lower than the Russian).

On the one hand, this move itself looks quite justified: they are looking for where it is cheaper. But on the other hand, the upcoming negotiations still have a certain amount of doubt. After all, if we assume that Yerevan and Tehran will be able to agree (this, as they say, for God's sake - we will only be happy with the success of the Armenian authorities), what to do with the already concluded gas supply contract with 2018 of the year with Gazprom. After all, consumers will be tempted to renegotiate agreements in order to get even more tangible savings.

However, Minister Movsisyan argues that such negotiations do not contradict agreements with Russia, and that Gazprom allegedly gave the go-ahead to conduct the negotiation process with other suppliers.

In this regard, the question arises: why would Gazprom, accustomed to feeling like a host on a huge market, allow Yerevan immediately after finding a contract to look for new options? In fact, the answer to this question lies on the surface. It is not the first time when Armenia and Iran enter into negotiations over the supply of Iranian "blue" fuel. And each time, these negotiations for official Yerevan ended, to put it mildly, in a non-constructive manner. In the course of the relatively recent negotiations of the Armenian and Iranian sides, Tehran stated that with the current situation on the gas market and with the existing infrastructure configuration, it is ready to discuss the conclusion of a contract with official Yerevan only if the starting point of the gas price corresponds to 400 dollars. Lower price Iran is not satisfied categorically. Does the price in 400 dollars per thousand cubic meters suit the Armenian side? - a strange question, considering that for official Yerevan and the price of 189 dollars looks high.

It is for this reason that Gazprom has become “generous” to allow Movsisyan to look for new ways of supplying gas to Armenia. Obviously, the management of Gazprom is well aware that not one country (not a single company) is going to sell gas to Armenia at a price lower than 189 dollars for 1000 cubic meters, and therefore "from its bounty", let's say, "in the highest way allows" Armenia look for new (cheaper) suppliers.

However, the Armenian side is not losing hope to persuade Iranian suppliers to reduce gas prices. It’s hard to imagine what kind of bonuses for more than a two-fold decrease (for example, $ 170 instead of $ 400) gas prices can promise the Armenian leadership of Iran. One of such bonuses could be the priority right for the construction and operation of the Armenia-Iran railway, which has been talking about economic efficiency for several years. But even in this case, Armenia today is unlikely to be able to offer something to Iran, given the fact that SCR (South Caucasus Railway), a subsidiary of Russian Railways, was named the main operator of the future railway. A preliminary estimate of the cost of building the railway is about $ 3 billion, and the main investor is a company from the United Arab Emirates with the interesting name “Rias”. During the construction, Chinese companies are ready to participate. The Iranian side took part only in the discussion of organizational issues. It turns out that in this case Armenia simply has nothing to offer in return for Iran, because today the Armenian railways are actually transferred to the management of the Russian state company.

There is only one conclusion: whole sectors of the Armenian economy today are “tied” to close contacts with Russia. Security of Armenia, by the way, too. If these contacts are broken up, then irreversible processes can begin in the region, and the Armenian authorities are well aware of this.

In this regard, the fact that Armenia chooses integration with the CU and the future entry into the Eurasian Economic Union looks like an obvious component of the further development of the country. It’s simply inappropriate to look for other integration routes for the Armenian leadership today, and by and large there are not many people who want to support the Armenian economy (and even more security). Today, the Armenian opposition can say that Armenia chooses a “European future,” but whether Europe itself chooses Armenia along with a whole pile of unsolved problems plus its own problems is a question whose answer is obvious. It is well seen that Armenia for the European Union is a country beyond its primary interests: there is no active sponsorship to the “Armenian Independence Party”, there are no fiery speeches by overseas guests in the squares of Yerevan - everything is quite calm. The West resigned to the fact that the Russian positions (both economic and political) in Armenia are too strong. This may someone strongly dislike, but, nevertheless, it is a fact held.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 6 January 2014 10: 28
    +14
    Does Armenia have an alternative to the Customs Union?
    Of course there is - quietly disappearing first from the economic, and then from the political map of the world ...
    1. Canep
      Canep 6 January 2014 10: 37
      +7
      There is only one question - Armenia does not have a common customs border with the Customs Union, there is no access to the sea. How this will work is technically not clear. Either Iran, or Azerbaijan, or Georgia, or Turkey, in the end, must be in the Customs Union so that Armenia can be accepted into the Customs Union.
      1. alone
        alone 6 January 2014 10: 57
        +5
        But it’s not possible. Through Georgia this is impossible. For the reason that everyone knows the position of Georgia (the road in exchange for territory). Russia does not go for it. And through Azerbaijan it will not work either, while the territory of Azerbaijan is under the occupation of Armenia. Turkey in this matter adheres to the position of Azerbaijan. And it takes years to transfer goods through Iran (infrastructure must first be created). And yet, we all know that the longer the route is extended, the worse for the cost of production. And do not forget the position of Kazakhstan and Belarus in this matter. So even if a contract is concluded, it is still not clear.
        1. Fin
          Fin 6 January 2014 15: 01
          -7
          Quote: lonely
          .And through Azerbaijan it will not work either, while the territory of Azerbaijan is under the occupation of Armenia.

          It is time for the Armenians to understand that without resolving the Nagorno Karabakh issue, their statehood is in question. They will not last long in isolation, there is no development, they live only at the expense of the Russian Federation. Harnessed by greed, problems acquired for a long time.
          1. Our
            Our 6 January 2014 15: 41
            -8
            By the way, frayer's greed will destroy. By the way, if Armenia makes concessions just gives land, then peace will come in the whole region.
            1. apollo
              apollo 6 January 2014 22: 53
              +14
              It is naive to believe that one-sided concessions will be appreciated, and not seem like a manifestation of weakness.
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 6 January 2014 23: 51
                -1
                Quote: apollo
                in unwillingness to return what belonged from time immemorial and was not given to the mercy.

                We are here, dear, not at the Krunk Society lecture. wassat if it goes like this ... then shas the Japanese, Germans .. Englishmen. Russians .... yes, by the way, I forgot, the Azerbaijanis will begin to demand what they once owned. (maybe right now about Erivan remember)))
                You actually heard about the UN, the Helsinki agreement ......
                By the way, what borders and CSTO are you talking about --- if even the NKR has not joined the CSTO wassat and in general no one recognizes him .....
                1. apollo
                  apollo 6 January 2014 23: 57
                  +11
                  Well, if it’s about Azerbaijanis, then such a nation appeared by historical standards quite recently and they have nothing and nothing to demand. Persians, not Azerbaijanis, sat in Erivan. NKR does not protect the CSTO. It can be seen that the site does not have a frail Azerbaijani mission, with its propaganda :)
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 7 January 2014 00: 08
                    -13%
                    Quote: apollo
                    about such a nation appeared by historical standards recently

                    Gagarin brought from space laughing
                    Quote: apollo
                    demand nothing and no one.

                    only from aliens wassat go to sleep .... it seems YOU gave the light .. you are reluctant to sleep ......
                    1. apollo
                      apollo 7 January 2014 02: 44
                      +9
                      you know better who brought you from space
                      finally he explained to himself the origin of the Azerbaijanis, instead of worshiping Aliyev, worship Gararin (by the way a worthy man), otherwise he seems to be proclaiming himself the sultan soon
                  2. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 7 January 2014 22: 08
                    -3
                    Quote: apollo
                    Persians, not Azerbaijanis, sat in Erivan.

                    Turks (Azerbaijanis) sat, and where were the Armenians?))))))))))))
                    1. xetai9977
                      xetai9977 8 January 2014 10: 42
                      -2
                      In general, as a native of Yerevan, it is funny for me to read about the Armenian-Russian "friendship". They never had absolutely any friendly feelings towards Russians.
                      1. apollo
                        apollo 8 January 2014 13: 44
                        +4
                        You, as a native of Yerevan, express to me your subjective opinion. Every year a large number of guests from the CIS countries have rested and rested in Armenia, and it seems everyone is happy. Are you a native of Yerevan on which street did you live?
                      2. FRITZ LANG
                        FRITZ LANG 8 January 2014 14: 10
                        +3
                        But all of Armenia has a rest in Georgia at sea
                      3. apollo
                        apollo 8 January 2014 14: 26
                        +2
                        that's right, you have a sea :)
                    2. xetai9977
                      xetai9977 8 January 2014 16: 26
                      -1
                      I lived on 4 Sport Interna Street, not far from the monument to Vardan Mamikonyan, near the school named after Voroshilov. There used to be the Gedar River, then it was enclosed in a pipe. I have no doubt that the school was renamed, and our house was demolished. My peers, Armenians, called Russians. not otherwise than "Rus-corn".
                    3. apollo
                      apollo 8 January 2014 16: 47
                      +2
                      and how old were you then?
                    4. xetai9977
                      xetai9977 8 January 2014 17: 06
                      +2
                      At first you doubted, even asked the address. I proved that I was telling the truth. And now I'm interested in age. But do you care?
                  3. apollo
                    apollo 8 January 2014 23: 37
                    0
                    just the expression that you mentioned was characteristic of the children of kindergarten time and then for fun
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            3. apollo
              apollo 8 January 2014 13: 39
              +5
              That is, Azerbaijanis are no longer Albanians but Turks; I don’t understand who the Azerbaijanis are.
              Paskevich freed Erivan from the Persians and not from the Turks, read the story, and not only written by Azerbaijani historians.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 7 January 2014 22: 07
        -8
        Quote: apollo
        It is naive to believe that one-sided concessions will be appreciated, and not seem like a manifestation of weakness.

        So Armenia is the weak link, this is what we are talking about!)))
        Armenia does not have this future without it, even as part of Russia!))) By joining Russia, you can still delay the collapse, but not for long !!
        Armenia as a state did not take place and this is a fact!
        1. apollo
          apollo 8 January 2014 13: 55
          +4
          I don’t remember that the winner was ever called the weak link.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 8 January 2014 16: 32
            0
            How long will you go to winners, that’s the question ...
            1. apollo
              apollo 8 January 2014 16: 49
              +2
              time will tell
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 8 January 2014 22: 49
                +3
                Quote: apollo
                time will tell

                Time has already shown that as a state Armenia did not take place!
                Without Russia, Armenia is zero without a stick !!)))
                and how can this be refuted ??)))
              2. apollo
                apollo 8 January 2014 23: 42
                +1
                Well, this is the same as saying that Azerbaijan without Turkey is also zero without a stick, but I don’t presume to argue this, as well as to refute
              3. Yarbay
                Yarbay 8 January 2014 23: 53
                0
                Quote: apollo
                Well, this is the same as saying that Azerbaijan without Turkey is also zero without a stick, but I don’t presume to argue this, as well as to refute

                Because you are not at all aware of the situation in Turkey and in which Azerbaijan !!
                This is Azerbaijan buying up the Turkish economy, and not vice versa !!
                This is Azerbaijan dictating to the Turkish government, and not vice versa !!
                If you have the opposite facts, let's show !!! In foreign policy we are completely independent, but they cannot do without us!
              4. apollo
                apollo 9 January 2014 17: 37
                0
                a lot of emotions ...
  • Our
    Our 10 January 2014 01: 42
    +1
    Judging by the minuses, peace in the region is not needed
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 10 January 2014 02: 05
      0
      Life is cruel, old man, and very pragmatic. Who is stronger is right
  • atalef
    atalef 7 January 2014 16: 52
    -5
    Quote: Fin
    It is time for the Armenians to understand that without solving the Nagorno Karabakh issue their statehood is in question

    no decision, but the return of the NKAR to Azerbaijan. I think they understand that if this is not done in the negotiations, Azerbaijan will return by force.
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    1. apollo
      apollo 8 January 2014 13: 59
      +4
      As long as Aliyev’s power is ruled out, the war in the region is not beneficial for investors in the oil sector. In a war, any pre-conceived scenarios are erroneous.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 8 January 2014 22: 44
        +2
        Quote: apollo
        As long as Aliyev’s power is ruled out,

        Previously, they reassured themselves while the Minister of Defense Abiyev supposedly there will be no war))) now soothe)))))))))))
        Mlyn incorrigible people)))
        1. apollo
          apollo 8 January 2014 23: 44
          +1
          enough arrows to translate to others, you also show the pope ...
        2. apollo
          apollo 8 January 2014 23: 46
          -1
          enough arrows to translate to others, you also show the pope ...
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  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 6 January 2014 23: 58
    +7
    Quote: lonely
    Not like

    What directly does it? What do people eat there, bark from trees and grass? What do they wear, where do computers and iPods take for example? For your information, military transit is now by the way just through the airspace of Azeibardzhan. And goods are freely transported through Georgia. I understand that I don’t have any personal hostility towards Armenians, but why write nonsense and fiction here, this is a decent resource.
    1. alone
      alone 7 January 2014 00: 10
      +3
      talk here about TS.tut discusses how to deliver goods to Armenia from a TS that does not have a border with countries. I don’t argue that they eat grass there. It’s just that they will have to pay customs taxes to Georgians in Georgia. technically, and not everyday, it is clear that so far no one is swelling with hunger, despite the migration.
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 7 January 2014 01: 04
        +9
        Quote: lonely
        they still have to pay customs taxes to Georgians in Georgia

        Regarding finance. I understand that you do not know what transit and transit payments and tariffs are. What do you think if, for example, you send a container to Belgium by train or by TIR car, how much will anyone have to pay customs taxes along the way and why? Regarding the physical possibility of transportation. What you describe, blocking the delivery of peaceful goods to the country for political reasons, is called the economic blockade of the country. Arranging a blockade on a sovereign country without the approval of international organizations in peacetime is a matter for very courageous idiots. Regarding specific acts on tariffs, corridors, crossing points and other things to facilitate and simplify trade, these are details that can be discussed and serve as a reason for bargaining, within reasonable limits.
        T.ch. complete blocking of Armenia will occur only in case of aggression and conflict with all neighbors at the same time.
  • Kasym
    Kasym 6 January 2014 11: 09
    +8
    Minesweeper, good afternoon! I would add one more question: "How to accept a country into an organization if it is actually on the verge of war?" Therefore, Kazakhstan asked Armenia at the end of the year about the borders of the CU and the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh. Http: //www.customs-union.com/%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81% D1% 82% D0% B8-% D1% 82%
    D1%81/%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5-%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%
    D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0-%D0%BE%D0%B1-%D1%83%D0%B2%D1%8F%
    D0%B7%D0%BA%D0%B5-%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86-
    Let's see what the Armenians will answer.
    1. Canep
      Canep 6 January 2014 11: 32
      +6
      It looks like Armenia will exist roughly like western Berlin during the Soviet era.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 6 January 2014 12: 06
        +4
        Quote: Canep
        It looks like Armenia will exist roughly like western Berlin during the Soviet era.

        You definitely noticed ..! Armenia is our outpost at all times has been and will be!
        1. Artmark
          Artmark 6 January 2014 13: 55
          -10%
          Your brains are an outpost, since you are about allies like that.
          1. Our
            Our 6 January 2014 15: 46
            +3
            Some people just don’t understand that sometimes a person is subjugated by your greatness culture, more devoted than the subjugated sword.
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  • Arhj
    Arhj 6 January 2014 13: 25
    +5
    So far, the goal is to gain a foothold, finally reorienting Armenia to itself, and then we will see. Georgians also need to live on something, and transit is income. The railroad to Iran also cannot be discounted, and it is not in vain that the Russian Railways invest in it. And the statement of Turkey about the desire to join the customs union must be taken into account, suddenly they spoke seriously. Politics today is trade, and the situation here can change rapidly. The whole question is price. In the meantime, I repeat, the goal is to stake out the territory.
    1. alone
      alone 6 January 2014 14: 38
      -2
      Quote: Arhj
      So far, the goal is to gain a foothold, finally reorienting Armenia to itself, and then we will see. Georgians also need to live on something, and transit is income. The railroad to Iran also cannot be discounted, and it is not in vain that the Russian Railways invest in it. And the statement of Turkey about the desire to join the customs union must be taken into account, suddenly they spoke seriously. Politics today is trade, and the situation here can change rapidly. The whole question is price. In the meantime, I repeat, the goal is to stake out the territory.


      ))) to gain a foothold in Armenia You have long been entrenched, their economy belongs to Russian economic structures. The military component is completely in the pocket of Russia. There, both your base and border guards guard the external borders. The railway to Iran generally exists, you don’t need to build it, and to be honest, I don’t understand why Iran is here, was it possible that during the times of the USSR, did railway communication with Armenia go through Iran?
      The only problem is the stubborn unwillingness to fulfill what is written in international laws, the desire, at the expense of neighboring countries, to expand their territory through aggression and war.
      Let everyone answer one simple question: HOW can a country that cannot guarantee its security on its own can become a guarantor of some territory? After all, everyone here knows that the guarantor of Armenia’s security is Russia.
      It is difficult to admit that you are wrong and return what does not belong to you? Well then, let them have what they have.
      1. Arhj
        Arhj 6 January 2014 18: 08
        +3
        The Georgian economy, as it is not strange, also for the most part belongs to Russian structures. Energy is almost complete. But as it turned out without a political component, this does not play a decisive role. Armenia’s membership in the CU is this political component, which will exclude any opportunity to move anywhere except in our direction.
        Regarding Iran - with the intransigence of Georgia and Turkey - Iran is that access to the sea, including the Caspian, which was discussed.
        The presence of our military there does not fix Armenia in the sphere of influence. We had military facilities in Tajikistan and even in Azerbaijan, but it’s not yet possible to say that these states have chosen the path to integration with Russia.
        1. alone
          alone 6 January 2014 18: 19
          +3
          Quote: Arhj
          The Georgian economy, as it is not strange, also for the most part belongs to Russian structures. Energy is almost complete. But as it turned out without a political component, this does not play a decisive role.


          You are mistaken. The Georgian fuel and energy complex is under the control of Azerbaijan. Most of the electricity, gas and fuel are delivered from Azerbaijan. At a very favorable price for both republics.
          Regarding Iran - with the intransigence of Georgia and Turkey - Iran is that access to the sea, including the Caspian, which was discussed.


          You do not take into account the fact that when transporting goods through Iran, the cost of production increases. And there is also a railroad through Iran to Armenia. But the railway crossing is located on the territory of Azerbaijan. In Nakhichevan. And to build a railway bypass I need billions of dollars given the terrain.
          1. Arhj
            Arhj 6 January 2014 20: 22
            +4
            Well, about "almost completely" overdone. But I'm not talking about the supply of crude oil and gas. I'm not sure that Russia supplies any of this to Georgia. Georgia does not provide itself with electricity, a very significant part of which, if not most, is bought from Russia. Inter RAO controls the main Georgian electricity distribution companies and at least two hydroelectric power plants, Lukoil Georgia controls up to a quarter of the diesel fuel market and the country's largest gas station network, Itera Georgia (read Rosneft) is a very significant part of the gas distribution market. There are still others, but these are the largest.
            1. alone
              alone 6 January 2014 22: 14
              +1
              You have unverified data. Starting from 2008 to today, Georgia first bought from you, and then 2009 began selling electricity to you. And now work is underway to create an electricity corridor that will connect Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey. The project will enter into operation 2014 m.
              1. Arhj
                Arhj 6 January 2014 23: 34
                +1
                Thanks for the information, I will consider. Our sources did not write about this. I would be grateful for links about the project.
                1. alone
                  alone 6 January 2014 23: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Arhj
                  Thanks for the information, I will consider. Our sources did not write about this. I would be grateful for links about the project.


                  http://www.blackseanews.net/read/74300
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 January 2014 22: 12
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            and another railway via Iran to Armenia exists. But the railway crossing is located on the territory of Azerbaijan. in Nakhichevan. and to build a railway bypass I need billions of dollars given the terrain.

            The main thing is the railway connecting Azerbaijan with Iran passes through Azerbaijan! Now this road is being updated!
          3. syntanjey
            syntanjey 8 January 2014 04: 50
            -1
            Looking at a geographical map and recalling history, I very much wish Azerbaijan and Armenia to exchange Karabakh for Nakhichevan - peacefully and with the population. You clamped each other there, do not get through. Swap places))
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 8 January 2014 10: 30
              -1
              Why are we going to change one of our original territory to another? Nakhchivan is as dear to us as Karabakh
              1. apollo
                apollo 8 January 2014 14: 02
                +1
                Again, the fools about the great Azerbaijan ...
                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 8 January 2014 16: 35
                  +1
                  In my opinion, we never say "Great Azerbaijan", but we hear too often "great Armenia" ...
                  1. apollo
                    apollo 8 January 2014 16: 57
                    +2
                    They wrote about Great Armenia from the time of Macedon, if you consider yourself to be Turks, then Turks appeared in the region after the conquest of the Byzantine Empire in the 15th century.
              2. apollo
                apollo 8 January 2014 17: 06
                +3
                in Karabakh there are churches that were built before the advent of the Turks in this territory
                but Azerbaijani historians also have their own version of this: that before that the ancestors of Azerbaijanis were Albanian Christians, then they were Islamized by the Turks, and the fact that the walls are written in ancient Armenian who and when these churches were built by Azerbaijani neo-historians
                no need to ascribe someone else's story
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 8 January 2014 22: 50
                  0
                  Quote: apollo
                  in Karabakh there are churches that were built before the advent of the Turks in this territory

                  To which the Armenians, or rather hai, have nothing to do)))))))))))))
                  1. apollo
                    apollo 8 January 2014 23: 49
                    +1
                    who? not Albanians :), but Azerbaijanis forgot :)
                2. smersh70
                  smersh70 8 January 2014 23: 36
                  -2
                  Quote: apollo
                  but what is written on the walls in ancient Armenian ct

                  Well, explain to me why where the nails of any Armenian enter, you immediately attribute this territory to the Armenians ... well, he wrote there on the most ancient and that ... This does not mean that one hundred km to the left to the right should belong to you fellow
                  1. apollo
                    apollo 8 January 2014 23: 51
                    +1
                    getting silly before your eyes ...
                  2. apollo
                    apollo 8 January 2014 23: 52
                    -2
                    Well, if this is your only argument, then I will not say anything
                  3. alone
                    alone 9 January 2014 00: 10
                    0
                    Do you need a weighty argument that the situation in Armenia is deplorable? Do you really want me to put a fact here that you can’t refute and disgrace yourself on the whole site. Do you really want this? Well, if you want, I’ll post it, then so as not to be offended .

                    I repeat, you yourself wanted me to put it here. As you can see, the situation is 100% different from your words.
                  4. apollo
                    apollo 9 January 2014 01: 11
                    +1
                    the hungry are everywhere, life is a complicated thing, we at least feed them ...
                  5. alone
                    alone 9 January 2014 19: 04
                    -1
                    Quote: apollo
                    the hungry are everywhere, life is a complicated thing, we at least feed them ...


                    Of course, I understand you. But they didn’t feed these people. They simply put them on the table after the officials who attended the opening ceremony of the church in Abovyan left the table. The President of Armenia was present himself, and Lukashenko was also there. So after their departure, people were allowed to go there. Judging by the frames, the bulk of them were busy stuffing everything on the table into their bags.
              3. Yarbay
                Yarbay 9 January 2014 00: 12
                +2
                Quote: apollo
                Well, if this is your only argument, then I will not say anything

                Did you foresee some kind of argument that require an answer with an argument?))))))
            2. apollo
              apollo 9 January 2014 01: 08
              0
              for example, what territory?
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  • nikolaev
    nikolaev 8 January 2014 17: 48
    +1
    Media, education, justice! And everything will be !!!
  • apollo
    apollo 6 January 2014 23: 38
    +6
    Maybe I repeat, but we did not start this war, for the Armenians the war was liberating in order to prevent the complete destruction of the Armenian population on the territory of Azerbaijan. Borders are guarded by the CSTO. Do not forget about international laws, do not forget, Azerbaijan had this desire before giving up the initiative in the war, and now Azerbaijan is trying to pose as a victim and not put on a Turkish handkerchief every time. I do not understand what is wrong, in the unwillingness to return what belonged from time immemorial and was not given to the mercy.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 6 January 2014 23: 45
      -1
      Quote: apollo
      but we didn’t start this war,

      probably we started the movement for the rejection of Karabakh in favor of Armenia laughing

      Quote: apollo
      anyhow to prevent the complete destruction of the Armenian population on the territory of Azerbaijan.

      here is YOU infa, (thanks to Vadivak) -just published --- read ----
      1. A.A. Ayriyan - Minister of the Forestry and Woodworking Industry of the Azerbaijan SSR;
      2. V.N. Nersesyan - I Secretary of the Party Committee of the Kirov District of Baku;
      3. N.V. Gabrielyan - deputy secretary at the "Azersoyuz";
      4. A.S.Bedzhanyan - prosecutor of the Investigation Department of the Prosecutor's Office of the Azerbaijan SSR;
      5. S.M.G. Oganjanian - I deputy chairman of the Azerkimya association;
      6. B.A. Ayrapetov - deputy chairman of the Baku City Executive Committee, chairman of the Baku City Planning Office;
      7. Zh.S. Sarkisova - prosecutor of the Department for the Control of Criminal Cases in the Courts of the Prosecutor's Office in Baku;
      8. R.M.Gazaryan - prosecutor of the department for monitoring compliance with the law in Correctional Labor Institutions of the Azerbaijan SSR;
      9. N. A. Melkumanyan — chief accountant of the Prosecutor's Office of the Azerbaijan SSR;
      10. L.V. Oganesyan — head of the dowry and general part of the Prosecutor's Office of the Azerbaijan SSR;
      11. A.S. Gevorgyan - economic director of the Prosecutor's Office of the Azerbaijan SSR;
      12. E.S. Gasparyan - assistant prosecutor for monitoring the implementation of the Transport Laws;
      13. E.S. Petrosyan - chief inspector of the Prosecutor's Office of the Azerbaijan SSR;
      14. O.V. Parsadanov - prosecutor of the Department of the State Security Committee;
      15. A.A. Arzumanyan - Director of the Baku Construction and Repair Trust, deputy of the Baku City Council;
      16. A.S. Gambartsumov - member of the committee of the bureau of the Leninsky district of the Azerbaijan Communist Party, chairman of the party commission under the district Party Committee;
      17. RS Bagiryants - deputy head of the All-Union Industrial Association “Hezerneftgazsenaye”, candidate of economic sciences, honorary worker of the gas industry of the USSR;
      18. M.B.Bunyatyan - head of the Azerbaijan Operational Directorate of the Industrial and Construction Bank of the USSR;
      19. L.I. Vartapetyan - I Deputy Head of the Baku Water Canal Department, Honored Worker of Public Utilities of the Azerbaijan SSR;
      20. S.N. Khaikazyan - chief engineer of the Baku Gas Production Department;
      21. V.P. Egizarov - Deputy Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Council of People’s Deputies of the Leninsky District of Baku;
      22. A.Kh. Oganian - chief engineer of the Baku Sewerage Department;
      23. R.V.Safaryan - team leader of the construction complex management complex No. 9 of the construction trust of Social and Cultural Objects, member of the Committee of Baku of the Communist Party of Azerbaijan;
      24. N.R. Shakhnazaryan - Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Council of People’s Deputies of the Nizami District.
      1. apollo
        apollo 7 January 2014 00: 01
        +2
        You know, there were many Jews in Germany, too, we simply did not allow the Holocaust in you.
        1. alone
          alone 7 January 2014 00: 14
          -2
          You better go and protect your borders yourself, you are not even capable of it. You are always used to living at someone else’s expense and roll a barrel on those who fed you. You yourself arranged a holocaust in relation to others, which is why it is a mono-ethnic republic. Better go to sleep. Nobody is interested in your tales here. Everyone already knows who you really are .
          1. apollo
            apollo 7 January 2014 00: 18
            +1
            I wonder at whose expense we lived then?
            1. valerii41
              valerii41 7 January 2014 17: 53
              +2
              Armenians in Russia are rude, little white and fluffy do not pretend
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              2. apollo
                apollo 8 January 2014 14: 08
                0
                Are you offended by the Armenians? Are all 100% of Armenians behaving inappropriately?
              3. valerii41
                valerii41 8 January 2014 15: 48
                +1
                Armenians have a very high level of not getting along with their neighbors. We live in the 21st century, and as a cavalryman before the new era, only you were mercenaries from others, now you are independent and teach others where they don’t ask you. For centuries, you have developed a very high culture of stabbing and demagogy, a fairly tough organic commissure. With such ancient baggage, even crooks perceive you need to change badly, but it takes several generations to do so that your image has somehow changed in a positive way
              4. Yarbay
                Yarbay 8 January 2014 22: 54
                +1
                Quote: valerii41
                You have developed a very high culture for centuries

                You have developed for centuries a culture of betrayal and meanness !!
                Father of Armenian History Movses Khorenatsi (Moses Khorensky) in the V century spoke of his fellow tribesmen:
                "-I want to point out hard-heartedness, like the arrogance of our people, ...
                - rejecting the good, changing the truth ...
                people are obstinate and criminal ..
                -SHOWER WHO DOESN’T BELIEVE GOD!
                -you have done angry and in your lodges did not bring repentance
                -you laid the slaughter and lawlessness, and those who trust in the gentlemen despised
                -therefore, they will find on you the nets of someone you did not recognize and the loot you were chasing after will make you their prey, and you will fall into the same nets ... "The father of Armenian history Movses Khorenatsi (Moses Khorenatsi) in the XNUMXth century spoke of their fellow tribesmen:
                "-I want to point out hard-heartedness, like the arrogance of our people, ...
                - rejecting the good, changing the truth ...
                people are obstinate and criminal ..
                -SHOWER WHO DOESN’T BELIEVE GOD!
                -you have done angry and in your lodges did not bring repentance
                -you laid the slaughter and lawlessness, and those who trust in the gentlemen despised
                -therefore they will find on you the nets of someone you did not recognize, and the loot you were chasing after will make you their prey, and you will fall into the same nets ... "


                Armenian poet Yeghishe Charents owns the words:
                "In us, hypocrisy appears in the womb."
                Memoirs of the Russian diplomat General Mayevsky. From the book "Massacres Perpetrated by Armenians"
                "Has anyone heard of the people's heroism of the Armenians? Where are the names of their battles for freedom carved? Nowhere! Because the" heroes "of the Armenians were more the executioners of their people than the saviors."
                "The historical roots of Karabakh go back to the ancient era. It is one of the historical provinces of Azerbaijan. This region is an important political, cultural and spiritual center of Azerbaijan ... The notorious Karabakh problem was created by the falsified ideas of the Armenians."
              5. Our
                Our 8 January 2014 23: 00
                +2
                For the sake of their work, They will become brothers and I know better than my own brother that I don’t just throw it away but just realize that the fact of scammers wasn’t recognized by others. No offense, but I can provide facts.
              6. apollo
                apollo 9 January 2014 01: 05
                -1
                only Armenians throw you to listen
                in reality they throw everything and everything everywhere, you have a biased approach
              7. Our
                Our 9 January 2014 11: 00
                -1
                Yes, they throw everything. And Azerbaijanis, and Georgians, and Ukrainians, But I noticed one feature of each of the peoples I have observed. Gruzin is Rituals rituals pride)) Always cause a smile (Born in Tbilisi And lived there for a long time), he tries to Conquer, by tell me more how proud he is, what wonderful country he has, mountains, rivers. He will tell you what a delicious temples (fish) with wine, and from the bottom of your heart will help you without any self-interest. They can and make friends.
                An Azerbaijanian is a family man accustomed to work hard, for whom one thing is important. Family. He doesn’t care about politics or loud statements. If a citizen of a country, he will respect and value this country as his own. They have such a concept. If you eat bread and drink the water of this land, She is your homeland.
                An Armenian, if he’s not rich and arrived with need, where he will be occupied, he will be the center of attention. He will go out of his way to gain confidence, will help everyone and not forget Which Armenia is a long-suffering country. He will tell about Ararat which is among the Turks, He will tell about Urmia ( Iran) and the church on its shore. And how his great country is divided by less worthy countries. Having settled on better, he will call his fellow countryman and so on until they enter all spheres and get stronger. And then suddenly the Local Becomes really not so good people, the Slavs are no longer brothers to them, since they are Kotolikosa and their faith is correct, but do you understand the faith is NOT Right among the Slovans, they are not Christians. And that Rus was baptized by Armenians and Russia all to them.
          2. apollo
            apollo 9 January 2014 01: 03
            0
            It’s interesting that you read the great Armenians, though I didn’t understand for enlightenment or for a set of arguments ...
            self-criticism is common to all nations
            a lot of things have been written about Azerbaijanis, both good and bad, but I don’t like digging in dirty linen
            I just don’t understand. Do you make these preparations as you engage in occupations or do you work your daily bread?
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 9 January 2014 01: 28
            0
            Quote: apollo
            self-criticism is common to all nations


            This is not self-criticism, this is the nature of the people, which the hai themselves first noticed !!
            Quote: apollo
            a lot of things have been written about Azerbaijanis, both good and bad, but I don’t like digging in dirty linen

            Show me what is bad written ???
            Do not like to dig, because there is nothing to dig !!
            Where similar is written about other peoples, representatives of the same people ??
          4. genisis
            genisis 9 January 2014 12: 28
            -1
            Here, for example, is what is written:
            We offer you an excerpt from the article by Uzeyir Hajibeyov “Ordan-bourdan” (“From here, from there”), written 105 years ago, in 1907, and published in the Progress newspaper on August 19, 1909.

            The article is built in the form of a dialogue between Uzeyir Hajibeyov and a certain young Muslim man1.

            Young man: I am amazed that in the same “school” 2 from under the hands of the same teacher, Russians and Armenians become, as you rightly noted, real people, while our Muslims who graduated with them the same "school", remain with their old habits and ignoramuses. Is this really due to the fact that our blood is spoiled? What's the matter?

            Uzeyir Hajibeyov: Neither blood is spoiled, nor meat!

            Young man: And then what is the matter?

            Uzeyir Hajibeyov: Listen, my friend, an Armenian and a Russian child under 7 years old does not go to school, remains and is brought up at home. A Muslim child, up to 7 and up to 8 and up to 9 years old, does not go to school and remains at home. Now let's see what they do at home. An Armenian and Russian child, brought up at home by a competent and educated mother, puts to bed on time, lets go for a walk in the fresh air on time, takes the child's free time with toys that are useful both for spirit and morality, and for physical health. The ears of this child do not hear a single bad and harmful word. What does he hear? Beautiful music for the soul and health, stories, poems and legends written especially for children by famous teachers, correct and instructive speeches of their parents, conversations of cultural and educated guests of their homes. What do they see? Painted on the walls of their homes are appealing eyes, images of flowers, beautifully illustrated magazines and books on the tables, cleanliness and order surround them on four sides, etc. Very often, their mothers lead them to watch “cinematography”, explain to them the essence and meaning of the frames and photographs shown.

            What about our children? Do not bring Allah. All that they hear is dirty swearing and swearing, intrigues and wicked words, what they saw are the bad deeds of their adults, everywhere they are surrounded by dirt and impurities, places where they play, in dust and in the ground, and they are served as toys ... choke cats, beat dogs, douse mice with oil and burn. Thus, before our children cross the threshold of school, “their house is already destroyed”, that is, they are deprived of education right from the root and therefore we get a sad result.

            That is our misfortune, in the Ummah. 3. So neither our blood nor our bones are corrupted.

            1909 August 19th. Uzeyir Hajibeyov
            http://azerichild.info/publicism_02.html
        2. voloha_sr
          voloha_sr 9 January 2014 12: 22
          +3
          apollo, but not in sports with the representatives of the Azerbaijani diaspora, it is useless. Karabakh for Azerbaijan is like a birch near Smolens for Poles. One mention and immediately dismantling a bunch of comments. One thing is not clear to me if everything is so cool in Azerbaijan, well, they are in the Russian Federation, then they are going and going
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    2. apollo
      apollo 9 January 2014 01: 20
      -1
      valerii41 come to Armenia
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    4. valerii41
      valerii41 9 January 2014 11: 49
      -1
      In Russia, after meeting with the Armenians, the state is as if stepped in; I have to wash myself for a long time. I'm not crazy to dive into a barrel of shit. In clear text, against the will of the moderators, YOU TOO FREQUENTLY SHOW TO US TEETH ABOUT THIS RECOGNIZED BY YOUR MEDIA
    5. apollo
      apollo 9 January 2014 13: 02
      +1
      valerii41 are you a nationalist?
      the impression is that in Russia all visitors are good and all Armenians are bad ...
    6. valerii41
      valerii41 9 January 2014 13: 33
      0
      If the moderator passes me, I will answer D.A. In my life I met with Tajik nationalists; Russian drunks, quitters, much more and who are you here? Armenians, Azerbaijanis, gryzins do not differ from the quiet nation of Tajiks. Among wolves to live like a wolf howl, the Tajiks welcomed me "KHAYL HITLER" Am I a nationalist? The reason is that Hitler beat the Russians is this not enough for you? You all have a Motherland, a flag, a constitution, build a president, attract tourists, tell about yourself how well you live. You don’t have a damn thing, but you and "our government" are good at making a garbage dump out of Russia, soon we will not have a word Homeland will be replaced with the word AUL
    7. apollo
      apollo 9 January 2014 19: 00
      0
      nationalism is the destiny of intellectual insignificance
  • valerii41
    valerii41 8 January 2014 10: 51
    +2
    Sir i supported you with a plus sign
  • valerii41
    valerii41 7 January 2014 17: 49
    0
    Do you still have the Communist Party?
    1. apollo
      apollo 8 January 2014 13: 52
      +1
      It has been preserved.
  • alone
    alone 6 January 2014 23: 48
    -4
    Quote: apollo
    Maybe I repeat, but we did not start this war, for the Armenians the war was liberating in order to prevent the complete destruction of the Armenian population on the territory of Azerbaijan. Borders are guarded by the CSTO. Do not forget about international laws, do not forget, Azerbaijan had this desire before giving up the initiative in the war, and now Azerbaijan is trying to pose as a victim and not put on a Turkish handkerchief every time. I do not understand what is wrong, in the unwillingness to return what belonged from time immemorial and was not given to the mercy.


    stop talking nonsense. everyone here knows how Soviet units on the border fought with Armenian militant units in 1989-1991. You started the war. You transferred the militants to Nagorno-Karabakh, and the Azerbaijanis were the first victims of the conflict. have a conscience, from for their exorbitant ambitions, they threw a massacre, won the battle with proxy hands (the war is not over yet) and you still have the audacity to blame us for this.
    1. apollo
      apollo 7 January 2014 00: 06
      +4
      if the Soviet units fought on the Armenian side, the territory of Azerbaijan would be conquered figuratively speaking in a week :)
      1. alone
        alone 7 January 2014 00: 17
        -1
        Babak, Oleg Yakovlevich (Hero of the Soviet Union)

        This guy is the last Hero of the Soviet Union. Died at the hands of your bandits saving civilians

        Since March 1991, Lieutenant Oleg Babak, deputy company commander for the political part of the 21st Special Purpose Brigade, as part of the internal troops, carried out the task of protecting public order in the Kubatli region of Azerbaijan.
        On April 7, 1991, having received a message about the murder of a resident of the Azerbaijani village of Yukhara Dzhibikli, located near the Goris-Kafan highway, Lieutenant Babak arrived at the scene of the incident, where he was attacked by an armed detachment of up to seventy Armenians.
        Being surrounded by Armenian militants, a brave officer fired back to the last bullet and died. As a result of his selfless actions, the lives of his subordinates were saved and reprisals against civilians were prevented ... He was buried in his native village.

        Yes, you fought against the Soviet troops. And were the fifth column inside the union.
        1. apollo
          apollo 7 January 2014 00: 21
          +2
          Everything suffered, the fifth column, memorized phrases, again a bunch of copy paste-s, everything is ready as in a parade. Who are you guys?
          What is the fifth column, who fought against the soviets?
        2. apollo
          apollo 7 January 2014 00: 50
          +3
          heroes and traitors are always, violence strikes violence
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 9 January 2014 01: 31
            0
            Quote: apollo
            violence strikes violence

            This primarily concerns your people !!
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 9 January 2014 05: 48
              +1
              Mlyn, men, it’s good to swear! The level of hatred between you and I just rolls over! We all grew up from the same country. Because then there was no SHIT! I, like no other, everything is very clear and understandable (an Azerbaijani friend). But Enough! It’s necessary to sort things out somehow, at least here, on the site. I’m telling the same thing to him! My proposal is to agree with the Turks, let Ararat return to Armenia, and NKR to you. It will be honest (in my opinion)
    2. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 7 January 2014 00: 30
      +2
      Everyone remembers that the Karabakh conflict began with the massacre of Armenians in Sumgait, then there was a massacre of Armenians in Baku, then for 4 months Stepanakert was fired at with hail. Your attempts to look like such white and fluffy bunnies which everyone offends nothing but laughter. Everyone remembers everything, who does not remember easily learns everything from the Internet, what do you expect.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 7 January 2014 00: 38
        -6
        Quote: chunga-changa
        Everyone remembers perfectly

        leave a memory .... you have it useless bully it is necessary to treat it .... wassat here is another topic .... otherwise I would refresh it .....
        1. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 7 January 2014 01: 10
          +4
          Quote: smersh70
          leave a memory

          Yes of course. I’ll start to forget right now.
          Quote: smersh70
          . otherwise I would refresh her
          What are you telling each other in Azerbaijan about your personal business, and this noodle on our ears is not interesting to us.
        2. apollo
          apollo 7 January 2014 01: 13
          +2
          typical reaction of a person suffering from a loser complex, smersh70 you, like your colleagues in the shop, are struggling with your shadow
      2. Our
        Our 7 January 2014 01: 11
        +2
        Something that the defenders of the Armenians do not want to remember the corpses of 1987 In the Gafan District. People are alive and remember everything. And not the Azerbaijanis, notice.
        1. chunga-changa
          chunga-changa 7 January 2014 01: 40
          +4
          And it’s true, why not remember how the Azeybardjans "completely unexpectedly" received an answer for the massacre in Sumgait. Who would have thought, "absolutely nothing foreshadowed."
      3. alone
        alone 7 January 2014 22: 29
        0
        Quote: chunga-changa
        Everyone remembers that the Karabakh conflict began with the massacre of Armenians in Sumgait, then there was a massacre of Armenians in Baku, then for 4 months Stepanakert was fired at with hail. Your attempts to look like such white and fluffy bunnies which everyone offends nothing but laughter. Everyone remembers everything, who does not remember easily learns everything from the Internet, what do you expect.


        I advise you to look at this video. This is Alexander Prokhanov. I think you have no doubt about the honesty of this person. He is not an Armenian and not an Azerbaijani
      4. Yeraz
        Yeraz 8 January 2014 10: 50
        0
        Quote: chunga-changa
        Everyone remembers that the Karabakh conflict began with the massacre of Armenians in Sumgait, then there was a massacre of Armenians in Baku, then for 4 months Stepanakert was fired at with hail.

        A wise guy wrote here a hundred times, the conflict generally began with the expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Armenia. But you all see the total, and what happened before that didn’t care.
        1. apollo
          apollo 8 January 2014 14: 17
          +1
          can you ask the Azerbaijanis from Yerevan for how much they sold their apartments?
          several families lived in our courtyard and nobody touched them with their finger, they escorted them all over the yard and helped to load things, and at the same time, in Sumgait, the Azerbaijanis attacked their neighbors, Armenians robbed and raped them, so here is a multinational state. .. the truth was there were people with you who in their homes hid Armenians, people if they are people everywhere people remain
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 8 January 2014 15: 04
            0
            Quote: apollo
            several families lived in our courtyard and nobody touched them with their finger, they escorted them all over the yard and helped to load things, and at the same time, in Sumgait, the Azerbaijanis attacked their neighbors, Armenians robbed and raped them, so here is a multinational state. ..

            Armenians lived until figs in Baku, Baku was filled with refugees from Armenia, there were few of them in Yerevan. And how many Armenians were killed in Baku ??? The situations are not comparable. If it weren’t for the Azerbaijanis who hid the Armenians and the authorities (I mean local, which consisted of Azerbaijanis) who blocked the refugees, the Armenian people would have decreased many times faster.
            1. apollo
              apollo 8 January 2014 17: 12
              -1
              many Armenians lived in Baku, they all returned to Armenia ...
              but how many Azerbaijanis were killed in Armenia, do you have data, or how many Armenians in Azerbaijan, in order to compare the data, it seems to me at that time dubious statistics were kept?
            2. sds555
              sds555 8 January 2014 17: 28
              +4
              Not only to Armenia, many of Baku moved to Russia (Krasnodar Territory, etc.)
            3. Yeraz
              Yeraz 8 January 2014 17: 52
              +2
              Quote: sds555
              Not only to Armenia, many of Baku moved to Russia (Krasnodar Territory, etc.)

              So basically in Russia and some people left for Europe and America. The Armenians of Baku, unlike the Azerbaijanis, were wealthy and did not stay long with money and in Armenia.
            4. sds555
              sds555 8 January 2014 18: 19
              -1
              They left, they left, but I ask you to note not from a good life, but about where territorially, the Armenian SSR and the RSFSR were republics of the same country of the USSR (1989-1990)
            5. Yeraz
              Yeraz 8 January 2014 18: 41
              0
              Quote: sds555
              They left, they left, but I ask you to note not from a good life, but about where territorially, the Armenian SSR and the RSFSR were republics of the same country of the USSR (1989-1990)

              So many people didn’t leave a good life. Our Bakuis are Azerbaijanis mainly to Germany, Israel and Canada, and the United States also left. Not so much went to Russia, poorer sections of the population went to Russia.
            6. sds555
              sds555 8 January 2014 18: 55
              0
              So it was after the collapse of the USSR, and I meant the events of 1989-1990, when, due to ethnic strife, many thousands became refugees and left their homes, on both sides (I personally know the Baku Armenians who simply lived in peace with the Azerbaijanis in one home for 30 years or more and were forced to leave only because somewhere there started a mess, because of the general dysfunctional situation)
            7. Yeraz
              Yeraz 8 January 2014 19: 37
              +3
              Quote: sds555
              So it was after the collapse of the USSR, and I meant the events of 1989-1990, when, due to ethnic strife, many thousands became refugees and left their homes, on both sides (I personally know the Baku Armenians who simply lived in peace with the Azerbaijanis in one home for 30 years or more and were forced to leave only because somewhere there started a mess, because of the general dysfunctional situation)

              So we were the first to be kicked out of Armenia. There was practically no Armenians in our region, there were purely Azerbaijani villages everywhere, so the Armenian militants began to come out of the village it was dangerous, they killed some, they were beaten when they started to appear even more, everyone took off, weapons were taken from everyone in advance (hunting) men at night patrolling the village with the weapons that they managed to hide, and when the Armenian troops became even more removed from their places and moved towards Azerbaijan on foot, through the mountains.
            8. sds555
              sds555 8 January 2014 20: 08
              -3
              Quote: Yeraz
              Yeraz (3)
              Yes, many ordinary ordinary people suffered and all because of the desire of local leaders of the republics to reign themselves (the collapse of the USSR) and at that time they could come to power only on the wave of nationalist slogans. So they made porridge throughout the Union, and ordinary people had to disentangle. collapsed such a country !!
            9. sds555
              sds555 8 January 2014 22: 15
              0
              Well, what are we minusing? What is not true here? That everyone began to pull the blanket over himself, wanted to become an independent state, there were territorial claims to each other and went off. Remember how many military conflicts arose in the vastness of the former USSR And the USSR did not fall apart, much was different, and in general, politicians are torn to power, and ordinary citizens die (in the hostilities unleashed by them)
            10. Yarbay
              Yarbay 8 January 2014 23: 03
              0
              Quote: sds555
              That everyone began to pull the blanket over himself, he wanted to become an independent state,

              They began to pull the blanket after the leaders of the USSR showed their lack of principles and thirst for profit !!
            11. apollo
              apollo 9 January 2014 01: 23
              -1
              of which one was grandfather Aliyev
            12. Yarbay
              Yarbay 9 January 2014 01: 46
              -2
              Quote: apollo
              of which one was grandfather Aliyev

              Missed again !!
              It was after Aliyev was retired, after that mongrel like Aghabekyan, Shakhnazaryan and others licked everyone managed to beat everything !!
            13. apollo
              apollo 9 January 2014 13: 05
              0
              Yes, he’s your saint :)
        2. apollo
          apollo 9 January 2014 18: 49
          0
          correct and not the last role of Aliyev Sr. in the development of corruption - Brezhnev clip
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 8 January 2014 23: 02
      -2
      Quote: sds555
      Yes, many ordinary ordinary people suffered and all because of the desire of local leaders of the republics to reign themselves (

      You’re wrong .. it’s the people from the center and Gorbachev, bribed by the Armenians, created this situation! Everyone knows the story about the diamond presented in America by the Armenians Raisa Gorbacheva !! And how the Armenians in Spitak after the earthquake shouted Raisa to return the diamond !! It was the Gorbachevs who promised Balayan and Kaputikyan, that they will hand over Karabakh to Armenia, as the two of them reported to the Armenians at the rally, after which they became even bolder !!
      It is you, that is, the Russians, who unscrupulously destroyed the UNION !!
    4. sds555
      sds555 8 January 2014 23: 32
      +1
      Well, the Russians are always to blame for everything, soon they will say that the Russians crucified Jesus Christ too. Just your showdown with the Armenians will really blind you and you look through everything else through this prism and don’t notice the other, as they say, I’m talking about Ivan, but you to me about Doodle
    5. Yarbay
      Yarbay 9 January 2014 00: 01
      -3
      Quote: sds555
      Well, Russians are always to blame for everything,

      And who else is to blame brother ????
      Who ruled the country Azerbaijanis, Estonians, Georgians or all the same Russian ??????
      Who allowed the renegades to poison the people ??? Why didn’t anyone succeed before Gorbachev ?????
      Look for vices in yourself, and not in others !!! All the Politburo are almost Russian, the Ministry of Internal Affairs leadership and the KGB are Russian, and other peoples are to blame ?????
      I’m talking about Ivan for you, and you are talking about me!
    6. Apollo
      Apollo 9 January 2014 00: 08
      +1
      Self-immolation of a man in the center of Baku.
      On December 25, in the center of Baku, a Karabakh war veteran, an invalid of the 2 group, committed a self-immolation act in protest against the arbitrariness of officials.

      The most interesting thing is that none did not bear responsibility.
      Further, corruption, in Turkey this produced the effect of an exploding bomb, the strings of which will lead to Baku.
      I am silent about the lawlessness of the executive and judicial branches.
      kickbacks and cuts do not surprise anyone anymore, and what’s most interesting is that the country's citizens have come to terms with this. We will continue to upload a song about how my republic is flourishing.
    7. alone
      alone 9 January 2014 00: 25
      -2
      Apollo, Everyone has these problems. And in Russia, and in Ukraine, and in Armenia. Have you personally fought against corruption with officials? What do you want to say with this video? It’s like candy is everywhere, but we have corruption. There is corruption everywhere !! no more and no less. So blaming it on their own makes no sense!
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    9. Apollo
      Apollo 9 January 2014 00: 47
      0
      Quote: lonely
      Apollo, Everyone has these problems. And in Russia, and in Ukraine,

      In my opinion, I did not contact you. Or did you find my post addressed to you ?!
      Quote: lonely
      Did you personally fight corruption with officials?

      against the judiciary of Azerbaijan turned out to be powerless, although from a legal point of view my cases were all 100% successful.
      Quote: lonely
      What do you want to say with this video

      Not to say, but to write, and what I wanted to write, I wrote clearly clearly and concisely.
      Quote: lonely
      It’s like candy is everywhere, but only corruption is like ours. Corruption is everywhere !! neither more nor less.

      Our corruption goes wild. We are leading in the world, in terms of per capita terms.
      I am primarily concerned about Azerbaijan, I am still a citizen of this republic. I am not happy with this order of things.
      Quote: lonely
      So blaming it only on your own does not make sense!

      And who else to blame, maybe Putin and Lukashenko, or maybe Nazarbayev ?!
    10. Yeraz
      Yeraz 9 January 2014 00: 51
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      Apollo, Everyone has these problems. And in Russia, and in Ukraine, and in Armenia. Have you personally fought against corruption with officials? What do you want to say with this video? It’s like candy is everywhere, but we have corruption. There is corruption everywhere !! no more and no less. So blaming it on their own makes no sense!

      Here I support Apollo. I don’t need it, as in Russia, but in America. I am interested in Azerbaijan.
      Regarding the fight. I can say about the Ministry of Internal Affairs, I worked there, stupidly increase the salary from 500 manat to lieutenants immediately to 1500 will go down dramatically, but you say there is someone who will take, but they will not give them to those who do not take.
      Tell me where to get the money from. It’s just that if the president deigns to establish real control over budget expenditures, and not imitation. Any dumb one can understand that a road built recently six months later without single defects will be destroyed and built again, like so many other things. And there are world prices and us in Russia, they are clearly already very overpriced.
      In short, I can write for a long time, it would be clear DESIRE !! And the leaderships are completely different desires to grab and grab and don’t try to protect them here or hint at others. They are so stupid and open that they can put out a million facts and how easy it is to handle it .
  • valerii41
    valerii41 9 January 2014 12: 43
    -1
    The meaning of the article is as if Armenia is China or India. It worries another; to the Russian crime, the moderators damn them, our leaders add fraternal gangs from the bite of the Tajik Armenians and .....deleted by moderator Apollo Specialists from Azerbaijan and Tajikistan are searched for on the site of the movement of drugs with and without photos, Medals and letters of honor are ready, but they ignore and control the loot themselves so that the penny is not lost. The neighbor's granddaughter was pushing drugs, a large crowd was gathering, agents of fraternal gangs, Neighbor I said that my granddaughter will be imprisoned because the DRUG is written in the constitution. IT IS AUTHORIZED TO TRADE GYPSES, ARMENIANS, GRAZINS, RUSSIANS, TAJIKS, RUSSIANS NOT LISTED IN THE LIST. Brothers can’t offend competitors and ethnic hatred She sent me far away. My granddaughter was seated and I had to introduce the constitution for the second time. This is a Russian site, but why are we scum before import?
  • apollo
    apollo 9 January 2014 19: 05
    0
    it is necessary to fight crime without paying attention to nationality
  • Apollo
    Apollo 9 January 2014 19: 15
    0
    Quote: apollo
    it is necessary to fight crime without paying attention to nationality


    Try to unsubscribe as long as possible in this thread until the next millennium. laughing
  • apollo
    apollo 9 January 2014 01: 25
    -1
    with the collapse, everyone in turn tried ...
  • apollo
    apollo 9 January 2014 01: 16
    -1
    Yes, they sold flowers, oranges, by the way, no offense, the prices were good
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 8 January 2014 17: 51
    +2
    Quote: apollo
    many Armenians lived in Baku, they all returned to Armenia ...
    but how many Azerbaijanis were killed in Armenia, do you have data, or how many Armenians in Azerbaijan, in order to compare the data, it seems to me at that time dubious statistics were kept?

    The conversation is not going there, your comment was with the promise that, almost kissing and weeping, they escorted the Azerbaijanis from Armenia, and slaughtered the Armenians from Azerbaijan.
    Personally, my relatives walked through the mountain after taking the most necessary things, and this was before Sumgait.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 8 January 2014 22: 58
    0
    Quote: apollo
    many Armenians lived in Baku, all of them returned to Armenia.

    All my neighbors Armenians left for Pyatigorsk, from where they still write tearful letters, cursing the Dashnaks and Armenians of Armenia !!
  • apollo
    apollo 9 January 2014 01: 35
    0
    they can be understood, dispersed around the world, people lost a lot then, the conflict was not one-sided
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 9 January 2014 01: 47
    0
    Quote: apollo
    they can be understood, dispersed around the world, people lost a lot then, the conflict was not one-sided

    And then they lost the blog thanks to your nonhumans !!
  • apollo
    apollo 9 January 2014 01: 07
    -1
    gears began in Karabakh ... and not in Armenia
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 9 January 2014 01: 34
    -1
    Quote: chunga-changa
    Everyone remembers that the Karabakh conflict began with the massacre of Armenians,

    because you have a useless memory ... it was the beating and massacre of Azerbaijanis that began in Armenia! It was from there that thousands of refugees were driven to Sumgait, it was the Grigoryans and other Armenians who provoked people to pogroms by leading them !!
    This is common knowledge!
    1. apollo
      apollo 9 January 2014 01: 38
      +1
      it seems that the Zuckermans led the Holocaust in Germany, you at least think before reading
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 9 January 2014 01: 42
        -1
        Quote: apollo
        it seems that the Zuckermans led the Holocaust in Germany, you at least think before reading

        Not at all like that))
        Then I gave a video from the interrogation of Grigoryan !!
        Two more were arrested by the Armenians who led the pogroms !!
        Read the interview with the deputy prosecutor of the USSR Katusev, as well as the memoirs of F. Bobkov, deputy chairman of the KGB !!
        Or have you not heard anything about Grigoryan ???
        Do not compare your inner meanness with the tragedy of another people!
        Often, it was the representatives of your people that held the Holocaust for others, especially when there were unarmed women and children in front of them!
        The Armenians have always been famous for just that, that they fought with women and children!
        1. genisis
          genisis 9 January 2014 13: 03
          -2
          If interested in Sumgait http://karabakhrecords.info/gallery/obvinitelnoe-zakluchenie/
          In general, there is a lot of things there. After all, there are many places where they managed to be noted for "valor"
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 7 January 2014 22: 17
    0
    Quote: apollo
    Maybe I repeat, but we did not start this war, for the Armenians the war was liberating in order to prevent the complete destruction of the Armenian population on the territory of Azerbaijan

    Hello priest-New Year))))))

    here is a chronological description of the beginning of the conflict!
    http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-12.php
    Here is the massacre in Khojaly
    http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/armyanstvo/arm1-14.php
    Here is an interview of General Safonov, commandant of the NKAR
    http://vesti.az/news/46842
    Here is an interview of the military commandant of the NKAO emergency region and the adjacent regions of the Azerbaijan SSR, the former commander of the troops of the North Caucasus District of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, Lieutenant General Yuri Kosolapov.
    http://vesti.az/news/146131
    Here is an interview with the former commandant of the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Region of Azerbaijan, the deputy commander of the internal troops of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs deployed in the NKAR, and retired major general Henry Malyushkin.
    http://bbatiyev.blogspot.com/2011/08/blog-post_9724.html
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 7 January 2014 22: 21
      -1
      They even organized the murders of their own Armenians, as it turned out later those who did not pay to Krunk, those who paid in advance were taken out !!

      1. apollo
        apollo 8 January 2014 14: 19
        +1
        funny to read you ...
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 January 2014 23: 04
          0
          Quote: apollo
          funny to read you ...

          Of course * funny *!))))
          There is nothing to answer)))))
          1. apollo
            apollo 9 January 2014 01: 33
            -1
            the chronology lies in the archives of the KGB, we will never know who pulled the strings, do not be naive
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 9 January 2014 01: 49
              -2
              Quote: apollo
              the chronology lies in the archives of the KGB, we will never know who pulled the strings, do not be naive

              You are mistaken ..
              Of course, you would like no one to know about it .. but alas, the chronology is already known!
              I gave it above!
          2. genisis
            genisis 9 January 2014 13: 11
            0

            A DIARY
            CRIMINAL PROCEDURE FOR CRIMES,
            DONE AGAINST THE ARMENIAN POPULATION IN THE MOUNTAIN. SUMGAIT
            February 27 to February 29, 1988
            http://karabakhrecords.info/gallery/diary-sumgayit/
  • syntanjey
    syntanjey 8 January 2014 04: 52
    -2
    Change, change to Nakhichevan!
  • valerii41
    valerii41 7 January 2014 17: 44
    +4
    In Soviet times, Transcaucasia was a black financial hole in Ukraine and Russia, money had to be earned, there you just had the appropriate physiognomy. The economies of Georgia and Armenia belong to the respective citizens with Russian passports. So that Russia is not bored there are absolutely independent diasporas with their intelligence and police, the card index of corrupt politicians, deputies, mayors is replenished. In place with Ukraine in the EU, Russia's "strategic ally", Armenia and Azerbaijanis, slip quietly into place. These friends of Russia were not noticed, and in our press there was a fuss "EUROPE is falling apart" Our political suckers are now starting to sell airports to some imported friends, the names are not indicated, but it is quite clear to whom
    1. apollo
      apollo 8 January 2014 14: 24
      -2
      Are you by any chance a fan of Ostap Bender?
  • nikolaev
    nikolaev 8 January 2014 17: 46
    +1
    Without Russia, Armenia will disappear. To understand this, even for .. just look at the map! It is another matter that ki liberals do not command in Armenia. That Armenia is an equal part of a single state. That there was justice! But it seems that building this justice together is easier. Now in Russia there are such processes that it is real. But the bigger the country, the easier it is to achieve this !!!
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 9 January 2014 10: 49
    -1
    The riverbeds will carry cognac.
  • Mitek
    Mitek 6 January 2014 10: 48
    +1
    Yes, almost the entire former USSR has a similar alternative. Except for the Baltic states, although without Russia they would not be needed by anyone either, because you don’t need to yap, you don’t need to work as a provocateur or irritant, and they are quietly assimilated. They have such a fate. It seems that they themselves already tried to surrender toli to the Swedes toli to someone else.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 6 January 2014 11: 00
      +3
      An alternative to the TS is to get new color revolutions sooner or later every 2-3 years, but it's better not to wait
      1. Guun
        Guun 6 January 2014 14: 55
        +5
        Quote: BARKAS
        An alternative to the TS is to get new color revolutions sooner or later every 2-3 years, but it's better not to wait

        We have a joke in Kazakhstan about the opposition - two shots in the chest, one control in the head, the investigator closes the folder and says He shot himself.
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    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 7 January 2014 22: 23
      -2
      Quote: Mitek
      Yes, almost the entire former USSR has a similar alternative.

      There is no alternative for Azerbaijan either !!
      You can never be with Russia is suicide!
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 8 January 2014 10: 37
        +2
        Russia has done and is doing everything possible to break all the threads connecting our two countries. You have made your choice. Now we are making a choice.
        1. apollo
          apollo 8 January 2014 14: 32
          +1
          The threads broke when you climbed to the Turks (NATO).
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 8 January 2014 15: 07
            0
            Quote: apollo
            The threads broke when you climbed to the Turks (NATO).

            Could it be that, having supported you, or when Aliev Sr., in spite of his support, invited Russia to oil fields, and Yeltsin sent him far.
            If it weren’t for Aliyev, the younger relationship would be much worse. But we believe in Russia and even Aliev will not be able to try to keep a balance with Russia for a long time, saying nothing happens.
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      3. apollo
        apollo 8 January 2014 14: 31
        -1
        I understand your reaction, Azerbaijan has no alternative, I agree, you actually completely depend on Turkey and its foreign policy ...
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 8 January 2014 15: 10
          +2
          Quote: apollo
          I understand your reaction, Azerbaijan has no alternative, I agree, you actually completely depend on Turkey and its foreign policy ...

          hahhaa dependent on Turkey))) and what is it ?? In the numbers, so to speak, otherwise we have numbers.
          And separately about dependency in foreign policy, please. Well, it’s conditional that this is a counterbalance, while we are so dependent on Turkish foreign policy that we behave differently in foreign relations with countries.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 January 2014 23: 08
          -1
          Quote: apollo
          Azerbaijan has no alternative, I agree, you are actually completely dependent on Turkey and its foreign policy ..

          If we are dependent on Turkey, then why Turkey did not have the courage to sign a * road map * with you?))))
          As soon as we hint at a change in gas and oil prices, then Turkey, or rather Erdogan realized that joking with us is more expensive))
      4. valerii41
        valerii41 8 January 2014 15: 57
        -2
        If you connect your destiny with Tajiks you are nowhere without Russia, Tajiks are all in Russia
  • 225chay
    225chay 6 January 2014 12: 00
    +9
    Quote: svp67
    Does Armenia have alternatives to the Customs Union? Of course there is - quietly disappearing first from the economic, and then from the political map of the world ...

    I really respect the Armenian people, do not think anything superfluous and personal, just
    The Armenian side needs to learn to behave humanly, without being rude, without running into or deceiving anyone, but they cannot do without it ... Mentality does not.
    The behavior of these "especially talented" in Russia has been going off scale lately, either they kill the Russians, or they kill them with a shashlik skewer. I’m not talking at all about their KAMAZ drivers who are crushing dozens of people right away .. I’m already beginning to understand their neighbors.
    Armenia needs to reconsider its attitude towards Russia and its neighbors. They don’t consider others as people - the main thing is their trading interests, it’s enough to see in almost any city how they work with their road-building or catering business
    1. apollo
      apollo 6 January 2014 23: 14
      +5
      Unfortunately, the family is not without a freak, mostly the very ones catch my eye, and no one talks about normal people since they live a normal life. Traders everywhere are full not only among Armenians. Before the collapse of the union, the Armenians lived quietly peacefully, but because of the shortsightedness of our brothers from the union republics, the great country fell, the temptation of pseudo democracies clouded everyone’s mind. In fact, Russia has lost all its allies, not only in the USSR but also beyond its borders, and it is not surprising that NATO is already propping up on all sides. And one should not forget that Armenia is the only really friendly country in this region in relation to Armenia, and Azerbaijan has long been dancing to the Turkish tune and breaking through the interests of the West in the region.
      1. alone
        alone 6 January 2014 23: 25
        +9
        Here is a list of republics that voted to preserve the USSR
        RSFSR, Ukraine, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Kazakh
        stan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan.
        but those who boycotted the referendum
        Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Moldova, Armenia and Georgia.

        Apollo, whom do you blame for my foresight? Myself or others? Most of all in the USSR you shouted against the union.

        Can I remind you of Shakhnazarov, who was Gorbachev’s policy adviser, and maybe Aganbekyan, who was Gorbachev’s economic adviser? Maybe they’ll fool around here, you think it was a long time, so long ago that we don’t remember that? it was you who began separatism in the Soviet Union, grossly violating the constitution of the USSR, and now, having bent into a corner, you begin to beg from Russia for alms, so that you can carry on.

        Azerbaijan, unlike Armenia, is a state that consisted both politically and economically. better sit and think carefully about how to get out of the pit into which they have driven themselves.
        And one should not forget that Armenia is the only really friendly country in this region,


        The truth is always indicated on a mistake))) correctly, Armenia is always friendly only with Armenia, and the whole friendship of Armenia is that how to have benefits for Armenia, using the wrong hands.
        1. apollo
          apollo 6 January 2014 23: 52
          +2
          Yes, strangely everyone voted, but the USSR all the same collapsed! I do not justify the separatists, he was observed at that time everywhere, obviously someone worked from the outside. I personally did not vote for the collapse, I will not say anything about Gorbachev, he is not worthy of this. Azerbaijan has oil, but the people get nothing from this, leave the screen about the viability for your western friends. We did not ask for alms and do not ask, unlike you, we do not cry every time when it comes to the "conquered" that is, liberated territories.
          1. alone
            alone 7 January 2014 00: 00
            +2
            Quote: apollo
            Yes, strangely everyone voted, but the USSR all the same collapsed! I do not justify the separatists, he was observed at that time everywhere, obviously someone worked from the outside. I personally did not vote for the collapse, I will not say anything about Gorbachev, he is not worthy of this. Azerbaijan has oil, but the people get nothing from this, leave the screen about the viability for your western friends. We did not ask for alms and do not ask, unlike you, we do not cry every time when it comes to the "conquered" that is, liberated territories.


            You couldn't vote, because the referendum was not held on the territory of Armenia. The Supreme Council announced a boycott of the referendum and no voting took place on your territory. And here you are dissembling, completely hiding the truth. his pride turned to dust. Interestingly, do you live in Azerbaijan to make such pretentious statements about what he gets and what does not? open your eyes and look at your loans, and how you write off them by enterprises of a strategic nature. And as for the territories, it is enough for Russia to turn its eyes for three months, then in a month the whole world will hear you howl in unison about "genocide".
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 6 January 2014 23: 35
        +1
        Quote: apollo
        Until the collapse of the union, the Armenians lived quietly peacefully,

        here is the news ..... (for suckers) wassat who started the so-called struggle for the secession of Nagorno-Karabakh ... it was precisely the actions of Krunk that served as the detonator of the collapse of the USSR ..... if they were quiet, probably the USSR would not fall apart ....
        Quote: apollo
        but because of the shortsightedness of our brothers from the union republics, the great country fell,

        It fell primarily due to the fact that such a politician as Gorbach went to dance to the tune of Balayan .. Kaputikyan ..... didn’t she say in December 87 (he looked at the hostel in Minsk), long live the friendship between the Soviet and Armenian peoples winked

        Quote: apollo
        that Armenia is the only one in reality friendly towards Armenia

        probably you mean Russia ....-- still ... not for nothing that Putin recently showed you where the crayfish hibernate when they wanted to in the EU ..... and where then was your friendship with Russia ..
        .
        Quote: apollo
        and Azerbaijan has been dancing to the tune of Turkey for a long time

        the main thing is that you dance less to our songs and duduks laughing and then everyone whistled .. there is nothing left (translate the words of Sarah gelin))))))
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 6 January 2014 23: 45
          +4
          Quote: smersh70
          the main thing is that you dance less to our songs and duduks, otherwise everyone whistles .. there is nothing left (translate the words of Sarah gelin))))))


          here is the Azerbaijani song of Sarah Gyalin
          Please note that the words and the author of the song are in Cyrillic, which means back in the days of the USSR.


          Toto Kutunye sings in Azerbaijani


          here is a stolen song, without words. Published by 17 Jun 2012
          THE RECORD WAS MADE IN PYATIGORSK IN THE RESTAURANT "PANORAMA" IN 2009.



          More facts ........ here is my nickname Apollo
          and this is his nickname
          Quote: apollo
          apollo
          ...... even here PLAGIARISM. laughing
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 6 January 2014 23: 58
            +2
            Quote: Apollon
            . even plagiarism here.

            super.as noticed laughing drinks good
            1. apollo
              apollo 7 January 2014 03: 51
              +2
              Well, if we talk about plagiarism, then Apollo or Apolon or Apolon, this is the name of a Greek god (just do not say that he is Azerbaijani), for music fans who are very closed on pseudo “Azerbaijani” duduks. By the way, what good fellows and references everything is ready, once they have laid out, good fellows are working well guys.
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            1. Apollo
              Apollo 7 January 2014 00: 20
              +1
              Quote: apollo
              laid out, well done guys work well.

              For your information:
              1. I, unlike you, have 4744 comments and that's it, they are on various topics.
              2. You have 9 comments and all in one topic.

              Date of visit: January 7 2014 00: 01
              Registration Date: 6 January 2014 22: 36
              Publications: 0 [View All Publications]
              Comments: 9 [ Latest comments ]
              3. The date of your registration,today.
              4. From all of the above, I concludetrolling.
              My answer is hang up!
              1. apollo
                apollo 7 January 2014 00: 25
                +4
                I registered today, if it somehow hurt you personally, do not judge strictly, each of us has the right to our subjective opinions
              2. valerii41
                valerii41 8 January 2014 09: 07
                +2
                Sir you have already been kicked out for your rudeness, you have restored many users against yourself, please contact a psychiatrist.
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 7 January 2014 00: 21
              +1
              Quote: apollo
              By the way, what great fellows and references are all ready, once laid out, well done guys work well.


              I look .. You just registered here))))) Well, nothing .... You are young .... YOU are still ahead laughing from us you will learn a lot .... as VIL said-learn .. study and study again good
              1. apollo
                apollo 7 January 2014 00: 35
                0
                I would have seen VIL that you write "mulberry" I would have burned myself with my own hand and would not have gathered dust on Red Square
          3. apollo
            apollo 7 January 2014 00: 36
            -2
            By the way, the last duduchist looks like your president :)
            1. apollo
              apollo 7 January 2014 01: 17
              +1
              By the way, who is Sarah Gelin, a local star?
          4. Our
            Our 7 January 2014 01: 19
            +3
            do not run into atoms so self-generating))
      3. Our
        Our 7 January 2014 01: 14
        +5
        Terrorist attacks in MOskva is also a peaceful action?
        1. apollo
          apollo 7 January 2014 01: 26
          +1
          unfortunately I didn’t understand what you were driving at, do you want to quarrel us with someone?
        2. Our
          Our 7 January 2014 01: 39
          +1
          Delete what I answered. and then minus? for what? It was said Peaceful in response I exposed the fact of violent and terrorist activity. In response minus
      4. kNow
        kNow 8 January 2014 09: 52
        +2
        Quote: apollo
        And do not forget that Armenia the only one really friendly in relation to to Armenia country in this region

        how much is said in one sentence ...
        1. apollo
          apollo 8 January 2014 14: 36
          0
          I think you understand what I wanted to write, I had in mind Russia, do not hang up for words
    2. ultra
      ultra 8 January 2014 15: 32
      +2
      Quote: 225chay
      . The mentality does not.

      All this crap (about the mentality), there is a ham-give in the face, a lot of friends call for a fuck ... lei, that’s their mentality and it will end! And there are normal people among all and such, as the majority seems to me!
  • rainufa
    rainufa 8 January 2014 15: 03
    +1
    Gari, where are you ?! It’s a crime not to defend the interests of your people here on the forum, and in principle everywhere ...
    It seems that the mossad did not limit itself to helping Azerbaijan in the form of helping to uncover Iranian agents in the country, but it also eliminates especially valuable fighters on the Internet.
    5 Azerbaijanis per 1 Armenian ... all this is sad, and we are not discussing correctly about Armenia without the Armenians themselves ...
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 8 January 2014 15: 27
      +1
      Quote: rainufa
      Gari, where are you ?! It’s a crime not to defend the interests of your people here on the forum, and in principle everywhere ...

      Yes, where does Harry ..... give me 100 Harry ... and I will bomb their arguments to the nines ...... God sees everything .... what happened .. that’s where the punishment came to them .. the poorest country after Tajikistan ... even Ter-Petrosyan (President of the country) back in 98 predicted that it was necessary to return the land, we made mistakes ... in the future it will be even worse .. and that ... made a military coup and overthrew him ...
      It's not about Mossad .... but the WTO, that there is no banal light and Internet ..... not to mention the arguments ....... wassat
      1. apollo
        apollo 8 January 2014 15: 41
        -2
        smersh70 seems to live in the 90s to this day, it was Petrosyan who brought the republic to poverty, after his departure it suddenly turned out that everything was ok with the light and with the Internet, now there is enough electricity for sale to neighbors: hydropower + NPP
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 9 January 2014 23: 41
          0
          Quote: apollo
          everything is ok with light and with the Internet, now there is enough electricity for sale to neighbors:


          .because a large part of the population dumped in Russia and Ukraine ..... that the light was released .... give as much as you want .. all the same there are no consumers. laughing
      2. apollo
        apollo 8 January 2014 15: 52
        0
        By the way, what is rich in Azerbaijan, the oil that belongs to Aliyev?
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    2. apollo
      apollo 8 January 2014 15: 44
      -1
      Azerbaijanis (Turks) always want to take in quantity, but quality is not enough
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 8 January 2014 17: 11
        +1
        Quote: apollo
        Azerbaijanis (Turks) always want to take in quantity, but quality is not enough

        Is it always straight? It’s the last 50 years that we have begun to add in numbers. And right now there is an advantage, until then, until the Turks drove you around the world, you weren’t in the minority, if you take us and you.
        And the quality is enough above the roof do not worry.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 8 January 2014 23: 12
        0
        Quote: apollo
        Azerbaijanis (Turks) always want to take in quantity, but quality is not enough

        and what quality is it?)))))))
        Alexander Dumas (Father), "The Caucasian Journey":
        "The Armenians have always lived under the rule of rulers who served a religion different from the Armenian. As a result, they turned into people who hide their thoughts, feelings and intentions, turned into swindlers and liars."
        English traveler Wilson: Armenians are greedy, greedy and vile, they do not respect anyone. They are masters of inflating all sorts of little things, lovers of intrigue!


        German activist and scientist Kolmer von der Goltz, "Anatolian sketches"
        "Everyone who is familiar with the bulk of the population in the provinces of Anatolia quickly gets used to respect and love the Turks, despise the Greeks and hate the Armenians. The local proverb" a Greek will deceive two Jews, and an Armenian will deceive two Greeks "justifies itself everywhere. If anywhere in Anatolia you deceived, then we can say with certainty that you met with the Armenians. I do without any written agreement when I deal with a Turk, because only his word is enough. When I deal with a Greek or other Levantines, I conclude a written agreement, because with them you cannot do business otherwise. With Armenians, I don’t even have any written certified cases, because even a written condition will not protect the intrigues and lies of the Armenians".

        about this quality?))))))))))))))))
        1. apollo
          apollo 9 January 2014 13: 35
          0
          I will answer in your style
          Hugo wrote "Here the Turk passed", this is about the massacre, it will be useful for you for self-awareness
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 8 January 2014 15: 44
      0
      Quote: rainufa
      5 Azerbaijanis per 1 Armenian ... all this is sad, and we are not discussing correctly about Armenia without the Armenians themselves ...

      Well, not 1, but 2 Armenians.
      And then each one separately discusses with him, and not so much on one of his comments each time for 5 of ours. This is not a street fight, we here and in a smaller number of much more numerous auidotirii often confront)))
  • alone
    alone 6 January 2014 10: 51
    0
    However, for some reason, the Armenian leadership and such a price for Russian gas seemed high. Literally at the very beginning of this year, Armenia decided to hold talks (by the way, regular ones) on possible gas supplies from Iran. At the same time, according to Minister of Energy and Natural Resources Armen Movsisyan, the focus of such negotiations will be on possible supplies of Iranian gas to the republic at a price lower than 189 dollars per thousand cubic meters (that is, at a price lower than the Russian).


    Give them also the key to the apartment where the Gold and foreign exchange reserves of Russia lie. laughing
  • Humpty
    Humpty 6 January 2014 11: 28
    +3
    How can this look in practice?
    - Doctor, will I live?
    - Will, but what's the point?
    Geopolitics.
  • tennis
    tennis 6 January 2014 11: 34
    +3
    For Armenia, this is the best solution, both in terms of economy and security issues.
    1. alone
      alone 6 January 2014 11: 37
      -3
      Does the vehicle solve security issues and problems?
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      2. Ihrek
        Ihrek 7 January 2014 09: 55
        +2
        Quote: lonely
        Does the vehicle solve security issues and problems?

        I think Russia will not abandon its participants if something happens. And for reliability it is better to join the CSTO.
      3. syntanjey
        syntanjey 8 January 2014 05: 05
        -2
        It seems to be deciding for Armenia))) Did the Azerbaijanis buy tanks in Russia? March to conquer Karabakh, Russia will check how its T-90s burn))) Give the Armenians south (Nakhichevan), they will return you north. The task is solved graphically.
  • Roman_Romanich
    Roman_Romanich 6 January 2014 11: 36
    +5
    There is an alternative, but there is no right choice except for the vehicle!
  • makarov
    makarov 6 January 2014 11: 39
    +7
    There is in every moral system
    The idea is common to all:
    you cannot be with both those and those
    without betraying those and those.
    И.Г.
    1. 225chay
      225chay 6 January 2014 13: 05
      +4
      Quote: makarov
      There is in every moral system
      The idea is common to all:
      you cannot be with both those and those
      without betraying those and those.
      И.Г.

      Clearly Makarov! Absolutely noticed ..
      And eat the fish and ride the engine, do not answer for anything, in short everything is free!
      1. Ihrek
        Ihrek 6 January 2014 15: 04
        +8
        I tried to be friends with local Armenians, it did not work. They throw at the first attempt to have a profit. And they never get along with each other. Daughter with father in contra, son with son-in-law, etc. And in general, Russia needs Armenia as a strategic ally. And Russia is vital for them. But Karabakh would still be worth returning to Azerbaijan only if the latter joined the CU. In the meantime, Baku is pursuing a pro-NATO and pro-American policy, Russia will never support him in this matter. I personally would very much like to see Azerbaijan in the CU. I am sure for them this is also the best option. Azerbaijan is spiritually and culturally a very rich country. It is also rich in natural resources. All this, Armenia has nothing.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 6 January 2014 15: 27
          +2
          Quote: Jamal
          But Karabakh would still be worth returning to Azerbaijan only if the latter joined the CU.

          if this is done, Baku will join both the CU and the Eurasian Union.
          Quote: Jamal
          In the meantime, Baku is pursuing a pro-NATO and pro-American policy, Russia will never support him in this matter.

          You don’t have to turn it over. Baku has a non-Western or pro-American orientation. It is neutral. The fact that Western companies pump oil is the same in Russia. Or the pipes do not pass through Russia, but it would be surprising if they passed through the territory of the Russian Federation, which supports the enemy. Russia, with its own steps, repels Baku. There is Ilham Aliyev, who at times softens these repulsions, others would have behaved more harshly.
          Quote: Jamal
          I personally would very much like to see Azerbaijan in the CU. I am sure for them this is also the best option.

          Well, the CU would not give anything to Azerbaijan. There is gas and this is the main export segment.
          Quote: Jamal
          Azerbaijan is spiritually and culturally a very rich country. It is also rich in natural resources.

          It is clear that Baku is a much better option at times. It does not need to be maintained. Acting in unison with a greater influence on the energy market of Europe, it is an Islamic country and a Turkic one and influence to varying degrees in these areas. And this is the underbelly of the North Caucasus. There is a good agreement here. Baku fully supports
          The Russian Federation in the fight against terrorists in the North, but the actions of Russian structures are weaker, basically weapons come to us from Russia, and ideology together with terrorists.
        2. alone
          alone 6 January 2014 16: 42
          +2
          Quote: Jamal
          In the meantime, Baku is pursuing a pro-NATO and pro-American policy, Russia will never support him in this matter.


          Jamal, Baku is pursuing its own policy)) Both NATO and America are secondary issues. If we benefit from the transit of NATO troops from Afghanistan. When we need to prohibit flights of the US Air Force through our airspace. We actually are in the Non-Aligned Movement. So NATO and the EU seem to have resolved the issue for us. To cooperate does not mean that we are pursuing a different policy.
          Quote: Jamal
          I am sure for them this is also the best option.

          Be in one alliance with the aggressor! how do you imagine this? Unlike some, we did not drive ourselves into a corner. Options for cooperation in bulk. As the current situation shows, in order to cooperate with Russia it is not necessary to be in an alliance. Fairly and mutually beneficial cooperation.
          By the way, in the post-Soviet space, Azerbaijan and Russia are the only countries that do not have any debt problems. Everything is solved in cash. What is needed for both parties is solved without loans))
          1. apollo
            apollo 7 January 2014 03: 44
            -1
            skip it right and you will skip, your hand washes your hand, and skip right when they need it, NATO and America are already secondary, it does not sound convincing
          2. Ihrek
            Ihrek 7 January 2014 09: 51
            +2
            [
            Quote: lonely
            .Variants for cooperation in bulk. As the current situation shows, in order to cooperate with Russia it is not necessary to be in an alliance. It is enough to cooperate fairly and mutually.

            In this world, it’s dangerous not to be in union with anyone. Especially in such an explosive region. The real two options are either the USA or Russia.
          3. Ihrek
            Ihrek 7 January 2014 09: 51
            0
            [
            Quote: lonely
            .Variants for cooperation in bulk. As the current situation shows, in order to cooperate with Russia it is not necessary to be in an alliance. It is enough to cooperate fairly and mutually.

            In this world, it’s dangerous not to be in union with anyone. Especially in such an explosive region. The real two options are either the USA or Russia.
        3. apollo
          apollo 7 January 2014 01: 10
          -2
          I would also like to see Azerbaijan as part of the CU, but something doesn’t seem to want it very much, it seems to me Azerbaijan wants to see itself more as part of Turkey.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 January 2014 22: 29
            -1
            Quote: apollo
            I would also like to see Azerbaijan as part of the CU, but something doesn’t seem to want it very much, it seems to me Azerbaijan wants to see itself more as part of Turkey.

            No Azerbaijan cannot see Armenia in alliance with itself)))) This is ridiculous)) to be in alliance with a country that is at war with you, does not recognize your integrity!
            And with Russia we are not on the road, history has shown it!
            Since both * Communists * and imperialists, religious preferences were paramount!
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 8 January 2014 13: 10
              +3
              Azerbaijan should have its own path-independent. Whether there is any alliance with Russia, with the USA, with the Martians is out of the question. We will rely on ourselves and our friends from Turkic countries.
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 8 January 2014 14: 02
                +1
                Quote: xetai9977
                Azerbaijan should have its own path-independent. Whether there is any alliance with Russia, with the USA, with the Martians is out of the question. We will rely on ourselves and our friends from Turkic countries.

                good soldier angry
                Only yourself.
            2. apollo
              apollo 8 January 2014 14: 41
              -1
              we do not insist :)
              By the way, do not forget about Turkish imperialism ...
              during the USSR, things were going well by the way, not bad
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 8 January 2014 15: 12
                +1
                Quote: apollo
                we do not insist :)
                By the way, do not forget about Turkish imperialism ...
                during the USSR, things were going well by the way, not bad

                We are one people. You are the only ones who call us Turks, so it's a dumb argument.
                And under the USSR, well, it’s not bad, the Soviets pumped our oil, evicted another wave of Azerbaijanis from Armenia, making it more mono-state, crushed religion, well done in one word.
                1. apollo
                  apollo 8 January 2014 15: 55
                  0
                  as if there’s a lot of good for you now from oil, Aliyev puts all his money in his pocket
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 8 January 2014 16: 09
                    0
                    Quote: apollo
                    how much good you now from oil

                    .You go to the car market in Rustavi and see which cars we buy and which ones you bully
                    and it’s indecent to count other people's money)))))) and you wrote, if you had obeyed Vazgen Sarksyan, now you would have considered petrodollars as well)))))))))
                    1. apollo
                      apollo 8 January 2014 17: 23
                      -1
                      your 30 pieces of silver were not to our taste
                      Well, if for you the units of comparison are cars, then this is sad ...
                  2. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 8 January 2014 17: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: apollo
                    as if there’s a lot of good for you now from oil, Aliyev puts all his money in his pocket

                    if he put everything down, Baku would look like Yerevan, and Russia would ask for armaments under their own loans or for nothing. Everything was said too much.
                  3. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 8 January 2014 23: 18
                    0
                    Quote: apollo
                    as if there’s a lot of good for you now from oil, Aliyev puts all his money in his pocket

                    You know how amazing you are soothing yourself)))))
                    Yes, Aliyev puts everything in his pocket, we have a population and jobs, and in general the standard of living will increase))))
                    And you have all the other way around and complacency)))))))))))))))))))))))))
                    1. apollo
                      apollo 9 January 2014 13: 39
                      0
                      Well, the glory of God that the standard of living is rising, we do not envy, it’s good, you will not be so evil
              2. ultra
                ultra 8 January 2014 15: 43
                +2
                Quote: apollo
                By the way, do not forget about Turkish imperialism ...

                90% of the site's inhabitants (Turkic-speaking) are asleep and see the creation of a "great Turkic empire"! bully
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 8 January 2014 17: 18
                  -2
                  Quote: ultra
                  Quote: apollo
                  By the way, do not forget about Turkish imperialism ...

                  90% of the site's inhabitants (Turkic-speaking) are asleep and see the creation of a "great Turkic empire"! bully

                  not 90% you are bent. Less))
        4. apollo
          apollo 7 January 2014 03: 28
          -6
          so he answered straight for Armenia :) and he knows the Armenians very well, but from where it’s not clear, he was not friends
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  • stranik72
    stranik72 6 January 2014 12: 24
    +3
    Quote: lonely
    Does the vehicle solve security issues and problems?

    To some extent, yes, weapon prices are lower for members of the CU. Although I personally do not see much value from Armenia’s entry into the CU.
    1. alone
      alone 6 January 2014 12: 54
      +4
      Quote: stranik72
      lower armament prices for members of the CU


      Well, even for low prices you have to pay. and what to pay with Russian loans?
      1. stranik72
        stranik72 6 January 2014 19: 23
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        Quote: stranik72
        lower armament prices for members of the CU


        Well, even for low prices you have to pay. and what to pay with Russian loans?

        I don't even know, well, our base is there, so We pay for it, the price and its maintenance cost a couple of annual budgets of the Kostroma province, the policy "like our bridgehead behind enemy lines" with today's informational capabilities and the time of arrival of cruise missiles is not an option, "love "their population (people) to us then it's not even funny. In general, I do not know, probably "fish for bezrybe and cancer".
        1. alone
          alone 6 January 2014 22: 17
          0
          Quote: stranik72
          I don't even know, well, our base is there, so We pay for it, the price and its maintenance cost a couple of annual budgets of the Kostroma province, the policy "like our bridgehead behind enemy lines" with today's informational capabilities and the time of arrival of cruise missiles is not an option, "love "their population (people) to us then it's not even funny. In general, I do not know, probably "fish for bezrybe and cancer".


          Eugene, Russia does not spend anything for the base, providing the utility budget and foodstuffs at the expense of the Armenian budget. From the Russian budget, only transporting equipment and providing ammunition is spent on the base.
        2. xtur
          xtur 7 January 2014 01: 47
          +2
          > We pay for it

          if we are talking about Russian bases in Armenia, .......deleted by moderator Apollo

          Armenia is the only country that does not take a dime from military bases
          1. valerii41
            valerii41 8 January 2014 09: 53
            -1
            Please delete the moderator APOLLON, he was once driven from one of the pages so he appeared here
        3. 31231
          31231 7 January 2014 20: 01
          0
          And can you read more in numbers?
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      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 6 January 2014 15: 06
        +3
        Quote: 225chay
        Free gas and more gas ...


        After the abolition of the export duty on gas, the benefit for the Armenian economy will be about $ 140 million. At the same time, the economic costs of Russia from Armenia’s entry into the Customs Union will amount to about $ 1 billion.
        “Russia, of course, loses somewhat economically from Armenia’s accession to the CU, we must admit this. This is estimated at about $ 1 billion today, taking into account the zeroing of duties, the reduction in gas prices, and investment in projects, the construction of the Iran-Armenia railway line, and the modernization of the irrigated agriculture system. ”

        Head of the Center for Strategic Development of the CIS Countries, Institute of Europe, Russian Academy of Sciences, Professor Alexander Gusev
        At the same time, Gusev noted that political dividends must also be calculated. According to him, in the framework of political matching, Russia receives much more from Armenia’s entry into the CU.
        Russia has calculated the damage from Armenia’s entry into the Customs Union. More: http://www.rosbalt.ru/exussr/2013/12/06/1208313.html
        True, he did not specify what the political advantages are, because probably because the smoldering mine of Karabakh will neutralize them to one degree or another. the same "road map" for the phased transfer of these territories to Azerbaijan, For example, demitarization-joint management-restoration of jurisdiction in exchange for joining the Customs Union of Azerbaijan. However, this is fortune telling on the coffee grounds. But without a solution to this problem, which will inevitably aggravate Armenia's membership in any Eurasian union, it is illogical. After all, countries that have territorial disputes with neighbors are not invited to the EU and NATO either.
        So, there’s no question of economics. Some kind of political game is starting up.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 6 January 2014 16: 09
          +8
          Ascetic, hello! The political game was, it seems to me, in the statements of Armenia about Association with the EU. Russia quickly made it clear what would happen if this happened. And Armenia asked for a vehicle. All this boiled down to knocking dividends and handouts from Russia.
          My opinion . Now is not the time to accept new members - we need to debug all the mechanisms of interaction ourselves. Otherwise, each new member will make its own "amendments" and a leapfrog will begin, which will scare away the "applicants". Having worked out the mechanisms, powers and rights of the new supranational structures, present to the others as axioms of the Union's work. For example, Armenia will enter and start "I will sign this, but this is not; here they agree to do it, but here they will not." So far, the three of them seem to agree, but there will be ten, what are we going to do? Or will some "misdirected member" appear? We must first raise the living standard ourselves, the well-being of our citizens. Show an example, and then help others. Just kill me, but Armenia at this stage will only be a subsidized country. I do not see any economic benefit for the Union. hi
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 6 January 2014 16: 44
            +4
            Kasym, welcome! TS is not the likeness of a certain USSR where everyone is commanded from the Kremlin, there is no talk about it. The framework is clearly delineated -trade policy, customs regulation, technical regulation, sanitary, veterinary and phyto-sanitary control, antitrust policy, the formation of common requirements for migrant workers, access to a single financial market.There is no talk of any supranational economic, financial and political structures. It is about creating a "common market" as in Europe before the creation of the EU, removing various obstacles to the movement of goods and trade and jointly confronting external competitors through this common market. Here is my friend working at a sausage factory, and so every 10 days two trucks from Kazakhstan come to them for goods. If earlier they were loaded and then for 2-3 days they waited on the territory of the plant with the goods loaded while they were issued various customs and other papers (I do not understand them), now they leave immediately, since after joining the Customs Union these papers were no longer needed ... And this is logistics, costs, quality and so on ... Now they come more often and, accordingly, take more goods, which means that someone in Alma has an increase in turnover, and the plant receives additional profit and capacity utilization. So there are and will be problems, but also the benefit is obvious.
            1. Our
              Our 6 January 2014 18: 25
              +3
              But the USSR was also created with the right to leave the community. Each state had the right to sovereignly decide to leave or remain in the squad. But in reality it turned out to be completely different. This was confirmed by the suppression of rallies and the mass of civilian victims.
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 6 January 2014 23: 18
                +1
                Our. Still, whatever one may say, you cannot return the USSR, and its reasons for the emergence are different than now. If we focus on ourselves and not on helping the "fraternal peoples", then we have a good chance. Then everyone else will turn to us. We will play politics and great power, everyone will just scatter.
            2. Zymran
              Zymran 6 January 2014 20: 05
              +1
              Quote: Ascetic
              There is no talk of any supranational economic financial and political structures.


              This was discussed more than once, but Nazer had the courage to reject all these encroachments in a harsh form. If he bends even more under the Kremlin, then he will finally lose all authority among the Kazakhs.
            3. Kasym
              Kasym 6 January 2014 23: 03
              +3
              Ascetic. TS is trade, this is more or less clear. The result will be a common currency, I have no doubt about that. And I'm all for it. And I myself assert that this is a blessing for the republic and there can be no "pressure from Moscow". But there are controversial points in trade. And here we need to quickly decide and agree on everything ourselves. Leapfrog will begin with new members. We must work it out before new members appear. And let them accept the rules of the game that we have already worked out without any amendments there. And they try to live within their pocket, and not on subsidies. That's what I mean.
              Now about the Union, the signing of documents, which is planned for the fall. I think that sooner or later there will be foreign policy too. and military "integration". But the main thing is the well-being of the people. To gain weight . "A wealthy state consists of a wealthy population." Then let at least a united station be built on the moon. drinks AND MERRY CHRISTMAS !!! hi
              Glad for your friends! SO IT SHOULD BE IN TRADE - NO RESTRICTIONS FOR DOMESTIC GOODS !!!
              1. Zymran
                Zymran 7 January 2014 10: 24
                +1
                Quote: Kasym
                Ascetic. TS is trade, this is more or less clear. The result will be a common currency, I have no doubt about that. And I'm all for it. And I myself assert that this is a blessing for the republic and there can be no "pressure from Moscow".


                It is strange how this pressure cannot be, if Nazer refuses such happiness, but the currency will still be?

                Quote: Kasym
                That's what I mean.
                Now about the Union, the signing of documents, which is planned for the fall. I think that sooner or later there will be foreign policy too. and military "integration".


                Kasym, the Russians and you, scoops, maybe for a complete soldier, but your influence is weakening every year.

                Quote: Kasym
                But the main thing is the well-being of the people. To gain weight . "A wealthy state consists of a wealthy population."


                The fact is that before the CU, the well-being of the people was much higher than now.
              2. valerii41
                valerii41 8 January 2014 09: 33
                0
                "THE RESULT WILL BE A TOTAL CURRENCY" The ruble you immediately reject remains; Chinese yuan, Lithuanian litas, Mongolian tugrik?
        2. Our
          Our 6 January 2014 18: 21
          +2
          Stanislav correctly noted. But the benefits are watered in settling the southern borders, To reconcile Enough Militant Highlanders (they all know how to fight more than once, and on 08,08,08 confirmation of this, I about "VOSTOK" and think how to create something similar in power like the USSR but in a different format) Vladimir Putin is the only one of all the previous heads of state of Russia who is competent in the economy. And mind you, his works are already bearing fruit. In the Caucasus, everything will be settled. Azerbaijan will receive its lands, Armenia, having got out of the blockade, will simply revel in its the pace of economic development. Georgia itself will follow the Big Caucasian family in the Friendship of the peoples of the former USSR.
          1. Our
            Our 6 January 2014 20: 34
            +3
            WHAT IS THE MINUS? request
          2. valerii41
            valerii41 7 January 2014 19: 04
            0
            Friendship scared the Caucasus, but what about the ancient culture of stabbing?
        3. apollo
          apollo 8 January 2014 17: 26
          0
          it’s too early to talk about losses, at this stage Armenia buys more than it sells to Russia, if you look purely financially, but there is also geopolitics
          1. valerii41
            valerii41 8 January 2014 19: 46
            +1
            My friend, please show me the stream through which the loot flows to Armenia. In Tihar a pair of pails to collect
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 8 January 2014 20: 50
              +1
              Quote: valerii41
              My friend, please show me the stream through which the loot flows to Armenia. In Tihar a pair of pails to collect

              This is a great Armenian river that true Armenians know about. Yes, it’s trolling a lot of things here. There are about 3 billion of them in the budget. He is also proud of buying from Russia.
              it is the Armenians to prove nothing to them.
              1. valerii41
                valerii41 8 January 2014 21: 08
                0
                The river begins with a stream, the River called the Kremlin-Yerevan has a channel of the same width, from beginning to end. It seemed to me that he would show me a hole and I was with buckets, but he was not a great patriot. The freebie did not crawl.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 8 January 2014 23: 19
            0
            Quote: apollo
            it’s too early to talk about losses, at this stage Armenia buys more than it sells to Russia, if you look purely financially, but there is also geopolitics

            Mlyn is directly a professor of economics and geopolitics))))
            Killed))))))))))))))))))))))))
            1. apollo
              apollo 9 January 2014 13: 42
              0
              don't go beyond your limits ...
      2. apollo
        apollo 6 January 2014 23: 27
        +2
        It seems to me that you are a victim of Western propaganda ... there is only cheese in a mousetrap for free ... Armenia regularly pays for all the good.
        At one time, Armenia produced a lot of useful things for the USSR, including Russia, and then it did not seem to be a suitcase, from the point of view of the CU it is a sales market in the first place.
        1. alone
          alone 6 January 2014 23: 30
          -1
          Armenia has always been a subsidized republic. Everything useful was produced without exception by all. Not only Armenia.
          1. xtur
            xtur 8 January 2014 01: 43
            +1
            > Armenia has always been a subsidized republic.

            Armenia was subsidized only in parallel reality. In Armenia, there was a huge chemical industry - in particular, the largest artificial rubber plant in the USSR, and a huge electronic industry for the most part working on the military-industrial complex. All enterprises were parts of associations whose headquarters were in Moscow, they were not subordinate to the local administration at all, and were not taken into account in the republican statistics at all.

            In Armenia, at the end of the USSR - in 1991 a giant factory of command equipment was built (a control board for robots), according to the latest electronic technology, the plant was supposed to cover the needs of the entire CMEA.

            Think about what the economy of Armenia was like.

            for reference, read the book by S. Lurie "Yerevan Civilization" - this is a Russian researcher, often published by B. Mezhuev
            1. donchepano
              donchepano 8 January 2014 06: 43
              +2
              Quote: xtur
              read the book by S. Lurie "Yerevan Civilization" - this is a Russian researcher, often published by B. Mezhuev

              Lurie was never Russian ... Just like now gentlemen in Moscow with Russian surnames
            2. valerii41
              valerii41 8 January 2014 10: 37
              +1
              Any region of Russia is not comparable to the state of Armenia with an area of ​​30 thousand square meters. kilometers, this is part of the region. What giants can be built there? The Japanese in terms of population are close to Russia; they live on the islands; the mentality is not thieves; they do not knock themselves on the chest, that "THEY ARE SONS OF NOAH AND SAVE HUMANITY" and about the genocide of the Japanese, two atomic bombs were taken on the chest. People are modest, they work, you can see it on our roads. They are nationalistic within reasonable limits in their homeland, pressure the imports, but do not allow themselves to behave the way imports behave in Russia. This is a good example for imitation and discard brotherly love for imported peoples and are engaged in feeding all the brothers. "OUR FATAL IS US IN THE MUSALS"
              1. apollo
                apollo 8 January 2014 15: 02
                +2
                the Japanese are good, they can be imitated by everyone, but not in everything
                low population density in Russia
                Armenia ranked first among the republics of the USSR in terms of density of production and industrial facilities
                1. valerii41
                  valerii41 8 January 2014 20: 49
                  -1
                  In terms of the density of Georgian princes and Armenians in the Kremlin, the primacy is obvious even now. With communes, the density of dough in the Baltic countries and the Caucasus was very high. I voted against the USSR on the principle "SUCH FRIENDS FOR X, AND IN THE MUSEUM" I closed my eyes from happiness when I opened , damn it, it seemed to me that I was in a museum, and not in my own country. Putin's policy is irrational, we don't need museum friends With the stolen money here in Russia, together with the villains who sold their soul to the State Department, they create a nervous destabilizing situation in Russia. From Kondopoga to Burelevo, the time is not so long and Putin is still wagging his tongue in front of us. Withdraw troops from Armenia and stop selling weapons to these countries. But when they fight, they get tired, they take up their minds and work. In South Ossetia, our guys got a knife in the backs of our brothers, the Georgian princes-rams, and now our politicians are seizing the moment to devotely look into the eyes of these villains
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 6 January 2014 23: 38
          -1
          Quote: apollo
          Armenia used to produce a lot of useful things for the USSR
          ...
          and above all cars-Eraz. wassat (Merce and Boomer rest)
          220W bulbs --- (darkness is a friend of youth) wassat
          1. apollo
            apollo 7 January 2014 00: 55
            +2
            Where do you get your knowledge from, aren't you in Azerbaijani textbooks?
          2. xtur
            xtur 8 January 2014 01: 48
            +3
            > and especially cars-Eraz. wassat (Moers and Boomer are resting)

            But what were the republics in the USSR that did not have openly unsuccessful factories? There was an electronic accelerator in Yerevan - do you know what it is? They twisted their convolutions, how did it happen that, besides the Moscow region, such a thing as an accelerator was built only in Armenia?

            for other examples, see my post above, about a factory absolutely gigantic factory of command equipment
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 8 January 2014 02: 06
              -2
              Quote: xtur
              There was an electronic accelerator in Yerevan - you know what it is

              ..and also --- the best water in the world, you know where .... in Dilijan, yes .... no, there is the second and the first in San Francisco (Mimino0 laughing
              it is well remembered when you sit outside the country ... you drink Bavarian beer .. and you remember the Hrazdan stadium) drinks
              and where now, this accelerator bully
              1. xtur
                xtur 8 January 2014 02: 15
                -1
                > where now, this accelerator

                surprise - a new one is being built in Yerevan now, CANDEL is called, the first bunch has recently gone
              2. apollo
                apollo 8 January 2014 15: 47
                0
                anyone would say everyone knows how to pump oil
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 8 January 2014 17: 19
                  0
                  Quote: apollo
                  anyone would say everyone knows how to pump oil

                  Yes ?? Chezh all oil countries do not look like the emirates ?? Everywhere everything is different.
          3. syntanjey
            syntanjey 8 January 2014 05: 18
            -2
            Azerbaijan honestly sucked oil all the time.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 8 January 2014 11: 20
              -2
              Quote: syntanjey
              Azerbaijan honestly sucked oil all the time.

              .so this is our oil. not yours .... laughing maybe you have claims to Baku)))) by the way .. you could have sucked this oil if in 1998 you would have listened to Aliyev-oil instead of territories .... after all, Vazgen Sargsyan and Demirchyan agreed to this, though in return they received lead bullets in parliament ...... so they themselves are to blame ...
          4. Corsair
            Corsair 9 January 2014 10: 19
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            and above all cars-Eraz.

            Created on the basis of the GAZ21 "Volga" car, so beloved by NOMENKLATURA of various levels (including the Azerbaijani one).
            The first batch of 1-ton vans RAF-977K was manufactured by the Riga Bus Factory in 1962 on the basis of the RAF-977D Latvia minibus. The limited production capacities of the RAF did not allow their serial production to be launched then, and the model was transferred to YerAZ.
        3. valerii41
          valerii41 7 January 2014 19: 29
          +4
          However, you are a joker: I remember the Armenian alarm clocks "SEVAN" They bought boxes in order to throw this box with alarm clocks into the trash in a month
        4. Ascetic
          Ascetic 8 January 2014 15: 06
          +2
          Quote: apollo
          At one time, Armenia produced a lot of useful things for the USSR, including Russia, and then it did not seem to be a suitcase, from the point of view of the CU it is a sales market in the first place.


          In the Union, Latvia was also one of the largest industrial centers. In Riga alone, it is not enough to list all the enterprises of the UNION VALUE. Now the same Latvia is working in London. Now another reality. Russia's benefits are not in the economy for Armenia, but in controlling the Caucasian oil and gas flows, in particular through the Turkmenistan-Azerbaijan-Turkey route. The only way is through Georgia now. But it is easily controlled and cut off both from the south from Armenia and through South Ossetia. And imagine that the Americans and Armenia control Armenia and South Ossetia, like Georgia? A completely different scenario for Russia and its transit corridors in the Caucasus.

          1. FRITZ LANG
            FRITZ LANG 8 January 2014 15: 35
            +1
            What is it? Is there no way without Georgia?
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 8 January 2014 16: 35
            +4
            And from a military point of view, what are 102, 7th bases (Abkhazia) and Tskhinval for Russia? This is the complete control of these very communications and the entire Caucasian logistics. The same base of Gyumri is a strategic point of control of the entire airspace of Asia Minor. two S-300 divisions (and another in Gudauta) and a MiG-29 squadron (rumored to be the first link in Gudauta) are capable of arranging a NATO no-fly zone and paralyzing Turkish airspace to Ankara to the east and to the Syrian border to the south. I’m still silent about the possible deployment of RK Iskander at these strategic points. Any officer of the General Staff of the General Staff will say that in the very first hours of a hypothetical medium intensity conflict the joint use of the forces of the 102nd and 7th bases will lead to critical losses of Turkish aviation from the bases of Erzurum and Diyarbakir, as well as make it impossible to supply the field army, and if there are OTRK, these bases will cease to exist like the American missile defense radars. I am talking about Georgia, which, with our complete dominance in the air, will be cut into two parts along the Tskhinval-Gyumri line. Russia will pave the corridor it needs by force. Therefore, from a strategic point of view, Armenia is much more important than Georgia, because hypothetically any American contingent in Georgia will be in a kind of strategic trap in this theater of operations without a chance.
            In general, the bridgeheads of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, not to mention Armenia, through which there is access to Iran from a military point of view, is better not to think too much, it is not in vain that Russia defends them so unlike Georgia, they look through their fingers.
            NATO has only two paths for a ground operation through Turkey, the first to the Ararat Valley towards Yerevan, the second directly to Gyumri. In these areas, the Turks conduct strategic exercises in Eastern Anatolia. In addition to air defense and aviation, a high concentration of armored vehicles and personnel in the base of the 102nd base remains to reflect this particular threat. And for uninterrupted supply in the operational plans, there is an immediate forceful creation of the Georgian corridor using the strategic bridgehead of South Ossetia.
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 8 January 2014 16: 59
              0
              For clarity. There are many classifications of wars. According to one of them, wars are divided into:
              -military actions and conflicts - conflicts of low intensity; or limited military operations on theater section
              -local and limited wars - conflicts of medium intensity; military operations on one theater
              world wars (total) - high-intensity conflicts. Strategic military operations on several theater least
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 8 January 2014 23: 25
              +2
              Quote: Ascetic
              chances.
              In general, the bridgeheads of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, not to mention Armenia, through which there is access to Iran from a military point of view, is better not to think too much, it is not in vain that Russia defends them so unlike Georgia, they look through their fingers.

              Here I do not agree with you, dear Stanislav !!
              If Nato has bases in Azerbaijan and Georgia, then FIG will not need a bridgehead either in Abkhazia, South Ossetia or Armenia !! One airfield in Vaziani is enough for NATO to prevent more than one aircraft from flying to Gyumri !!
        5. Yarbay
          Yarbay 8 January 2014 23: 21
          +1
          Quote: apollo
          At one time, Armenia produced a lot of useful things for the USSR

          What exactly ??? those plants and factories that were built in Armenia at the expense of other republics, could be built in any republic !!
      3. xtur
        xtur 7 January 2014 01: 55
        +3
        > Someone correctly once remarked: "a suitcase without a handle" ...
        > I would also notice - rotten suitcase

        why the moderators do not delete such messages containing explicit insults?

        As far as I noticed, the leadership of our country - established by Russia itself, bypassing the will of the Armenian people, pulled the country to Europe. Nobody knows how Russia persuaded them there, but certainly Armenia did not publicly demand anything from Russia, and Russia always paid for its debts

        The factory of command apparatus "Mars", which fell to Russia for debts, was finally ditched already being Russian property

        I have always protested against the discussion of such articles - because the discussion translates into an almost total insult, and it’s not interesting for me to teach ignorant and smug boors, and I don’t have time.
        If the moderators are not able to provide a normal discussion of such issues, it is better if they do not discuss anything at all.
      4. syntanjey
        syntanjey 8 January 2014 05: 14
        +2
        Militaristic Azerbaijan draws everyone into the war. You are not on the road with Russia. You cannot make peace with Armenia. It is beneficial to be an agent of influence of Turkey and the USA.
    3. BARKAS
      BARKAS 6 January 2014 13: 05
      +3
      Quote: stranik72
      Although I personally do not see much value from Armenia’s entry into the CU.

      Membership without special value is in almost every union, such as value from Greece or the Baltic states in the EU.
      1. Artmark
        Artmark 6 January 2014 14: 04
        +1
        Dear, nothing happens just like that and Russia is not just gaining ground in Armenia, don’t doubt that Russia has its own benefits
      2. valerii41
        valerii41 7 January 2014 19: 34
        +7
        The value of the Baltic states in the EU shit Russia
    4. ultra
      ultra 8 January 2014 15: 45
      +1
      Quote: stranik72
      Although I personally do not see much value from Armenia’s entry into the CU.

      Here the issue is rather geopolitical than economic, from an economic point of view, Armenia is practically zero!
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 6 January 2014 13: 10
    +6
    No need to be angry with Armenia .. (we won’t give it up for tearing ..))) I do not advise checking ..
    1. Guun
      Guun 6 January 2014 14: 10
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      No need to be angry with Armenia .. (we won’t give it up for tearing ..))) I do not advise checking ..

      Let them return what does not belong to them, then they may be forgiven.
      1. Artmark
        Artmark 6 January 2014 14: 30
        +4
        how do you know what belongs to whom?
        1. Guun
          Guun 6 January 2014 14: 56
          -4
          And how do you know that Novosibirsk, Orsk, Omsk belong to you?
          1. Artmark
            Artmark 6 January 2014 15: 27
            +2
            and I didn’t when I didn’t say and I won’t say it! but you write for the campaign for others what you were told to write ... but know before you can be sure of something you need to look at the manette from both sides, although each has his own choice
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 8 January 2014 15: 42
            +1
            Quote: Guun
            And how do you know that Novosibirsk, Orsk, Omsk belong to you?

            Once on "YOU", what do you care about Omsk, etc.?
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        3. Yeraz
          Yeraz 6 January 2014 15: 32
          -6
          Quote: ArtMark
          how do you know what belongs to whom?

          Armenians spread under Russia, sit in silence. All your bzdzhe about your army about your strength is shattered. Forpost, that's all. Yes, Karabakh is yours while you lie under the Russians. But the story is a tricky thing. And the Russians will throw you early or later. But you cunning Armenians lay under another.
          1. Our
            Our 6 January 2014 16: 14
            +1
            )) Don't be angry. Justice will triumph.
          2. apollo
            apollo 7 January 2014 00: 46
            +2
            it seems to me that you don’t need to humiliate and humiliate foreign nations, throw governments at each other, by the way sometimes not only others but yourself ...
            you confuse something, by the way did not break our army
          3. Artmark
            Artmark 7 January 2014 00: 59
            +3
            each one measures
          4. apollo
            apollo 7 January 2014 01: 41
            0
            do not transfer the practice of Azerbaijan to Armenia, we saw with whom you immediately became friends ...
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    3. alone
      alone 6 January 2014 23: 40
      -1
      laughing laughing



      You can change the names of the artists)) wassat wassat
      1. apollo
        apollo 7 January 2014 01: 49
        +2
        a good film did not think that it will be used as Azerbaijani propaganda, you are not tired of it, write on your own
  • mountain
    mountain 6 January 2014 13: 12
    +2
    in the USSR there was such a joke, and that says, the Armenian radio ....
    1. mountain
      mountain 7 January 2014 09: 09
      +2
      lol It was, it was, I know for sure. laughing
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 6 January 2014 13: 17
    +2
    Armenia, apparently, has not yet learned the lessons of Ukraine - "authoritatively defiant" for Russia, to show its political and economic independence. Well, Ukraine "showed" everything, the West - what it did and helped hi, but to ask for a piece of bread had to be from the one at whom "barked", the turn will come for Armenia too!
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 6 January 2014 13: 19
    +6
    Quote: MIKHAN
    No need to be angry with Armenia .. (we won’t give it up for tearing ..))) I do not advise checking ..

    bully I was sure that they were minus .. But still I do not advise ...
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 6 January 2014 14: 47
    +1
    Armenia will not run away from Russia. No matter how much they praise their army, they all know perfectly well without Russia’s support and Russia knows it very well and behaves more arrogantly and sharply with Armenia than with the same Kyrgyz and Tajiks sometimes behave arrogantly, unlike the government of Armenia.
    And Azerbaijan, the more Russia provides support to the Armenians, will be forced to seek an alternative, but will not do everything like Georgia.
    As long as there is Ilham everything will be as restrained as possible, Islamists or nationalists will come, it will be fun in the North Caucasus)
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 6 January 2014 16: 14
      +2
      [quote = Yeraz]
      As long as there is Ilham everything will be as restrained as possible, Islamists or nationalists will come, it will be fun in the North Caucasus)

      What makes you so funny? There were Islamists of different stripes under papa Aliyev in Azerbaijan, maybe even now they haven’t really gone anywhere. How did this help G. Aliyev ...
      1. alone
        alone 6 January 2014 16: 46
        -1
        Quote: Humpty
        What makes you so funny? There were Islamists of different stripes under papa Aliyev in Azerbaijan, maybe even now they haven’t really gone anywhere. How did this help G. Aliyev ...


        Humpty facts to the studio! what kind of Islamists and where were they?
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 6 January 2014 18: 49
          0
          You are talking balabolit. I did not try to start. Do not wait.
          And about how exactly they brought it in, it's better to ask one bald goat - a physicist who likes to write books in the style of fantasy, sitting in the Russian Academy of Sciences. He is there for reasons I do not understand, instead of writing for the rest of his life in the basement of the Lubyanka or in the basement "down the Dzerzhinka" about how he betrayed and sold his homeland.
          1. alone
            alone 6 January 2014 19: 00
            0
            ))) I see. This is one grandmother told you. What kind of person who sits in the Academy?
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 6 January 2014 21: 09
        0
        Quote: Humpty
        What makes you so funny?

        It's sarcasm.
        Quote: Humpty
        There were Islamists of different stripes under papa Aliyev in Azerbaijan, maybe even now they haven’t really gone anywhere. How did this help G. Aliyev ...

        then there was a mess in the country. And when there were a million of refugees from the war in the country, thousands of Chechen refugees, and then all of Chechnya was against the Russian Federation. There were expulsion of Azerbaijanis from Russia, overlapping borders with Baku and much more.
        In the Caucasus there are 2 points where, if the whole Caucasus breaks out, these are Azerbaijan and Dagestan. And they are neighbors. All the rest will be in varying degrees. But these 2 republics are pain points. And everything goes to this. Russia protracting this conflict islamized by radical movements, like The North Caucasus, as well as the South in the person of Azerbaijan. Already here, shootings, the destruction of terrorists are becoming more frequent than before. And all this comes from the North. And if there are many people like the north, they will set fire to everything around.
        1. apollo
          apollo 7 January 2014 01: 24
          +2
          not in the right place you're looking to finance not from the north
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 8 January 2014 11: 05
            -5
            Quote: apollo
            not in the right place you're looking to finance not from the north

            Did I say that finances come from the north ?? The ideology itself and the fashion for this. And yes, the Saudis allocate money, but believe me in the North Caucasus it is financed from local sources, they collect taxes from entrepreneurs and many officials.
            Many people mistakenly think that the finances of Arabs are a decisive factor. We are Muslims and are connected with ourselves.
            There are 2 extra Ossetians and Armenians in the Caucasus. And the vast majority of the inhabitants of the Caucasus hate them, say the matter is religion, no. Georgia is the most Christian in the Caucasus, just when there were common troubles of Ossetians and Armenians immediately on the side of the enemy.
            1. ultra
              ultra 8 January 2014 16: 08
              +1
              Quote: Yeraz
              There are 2 extra Ossetians and Armenians in the Caucasus, and the vast majority of residents hate them

              Where are the moderators watching? request
              1. sds555
                sds555 8 January 2014 16: 58
                +3
                Quote: Yeraz
                There are 2 extra Ossetians and Armenians in the Caucasus, and the vast majority of the inhabitants of the Caucasus hate them

                It’s also interesting where the moderators are looking? In my opinion, there are Azerbaijanis among moderators, you need to follow such statements, especially countrymen
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 8 January 2014 23: 28
                  0
                  Quote: sds555

                  It is also interesting where the moderators look?

                  Well this is a fact, and the moderators! Even in tsarist times, neither the Armenians nor the Ossetians were allowed to carry weapons !!
                  Show me a photo of a citizen, an Armenian with a weapon))))
                  1. sds555
                    sds555 8 January 2014 23: 42
                    -1
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    There are 2 extra Ossetians and Armenians in the Caucasus, and the vast majority of the inhabitants of the Caucasus hate them

                    if not what, this statement is a direct violation of the rules of the site of paragraph b) inciting ethnic hatred.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 9 January 2014 00: 09
                      -1
                      Quote: sds555
                      if not what, this statement is a direct violation of the rules of the site of paragraph b) inciting ethnic hatred.

                      Bad laws you know dear !!
                      Kindle is a call to action, and here is a statement that is known to all Caucasians !!
                      1. sds555
                        sds555 9 January 2014 00: 24
                        +2
                        Come on dear, but to call TWO PEOPLES EXTRA RESIDENTS OF THE CAUCASUS is how ??? Where will you be evicted if they are superfluous? And there is nothing to say for all the inhabitants of the Caucasus you take a lot on yourself !!!!
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 9 January 2014 00: 29
                        -2
                        Quote: sds555
                        Where will you be evicted if they are superfluous?

                        From where they came let them evict !!
                        And so let them live, but do not vomit ... and vomit only when they are given such an opportunity, those who want to use them, older ones like * brothers *!
                        What did you not resent when these fascists evicted my people !! ???
                      3. sds555
                        sds555 9 January 2014 00: 37
                        +2
                        And when did the Ossetians evict the Azerbaijanis? Don’t you remind me ???
                      4. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 9 January 2014 00: 45
                        -2
                        Quote: sds555
                        And when did the Ossetians evict the Azerbaijanis?

                        I talked about Armenians !!
                        And the Ossetians did the same with the Georgians, having no reason !!
                        Without Russian support, they would have sat below the grass !! Ossetians are as corrupt as the Armenians!
                        Quote: sds555
                        I tell you again, evaluate the situation soberly and not through your relations with the Armenians

                        Indicate those you know !!
                        I know better through what prism to speak!
                    2. sds555
                      sds555 9 January 2014 00: 46
                      +1
                      And in general, finish your showdown with the Armenians on this site, what other sites do you have? If you raise the latest similar topics on the site, you see the same characters and the ongoing Armenian-Azerbaijani showdown, aren't you tired?
                    3. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 9 January 2014 00: 53
                      -3
                      Quote: sds555
                      And in general, finish these your showdowns with the Armenians on this site, what other sites do you have ?!

                      Will you indicate to me?))))
                      Do not like the tablecloth road))))))))))))))
                      Quote: sds555
                      If you raise the latest similar topics on the site, you see the same characters and the ongoing Armenian-Azerbaijani showdown, aren't you tired?
                      Do not like it - pass by !!
                      I will have the right to download every wiping snot yesterday)))))
                    4. sds555
                      sds555 9 January 2014 01: 00
                      +1
                      Yeah, dude, you really have a roof leaking, it's time for you to heal. And you haven’t guessed about age, try again
                    5. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 9 January 2014 01: 16
                      -2
                      Quote: sds555
                      ,try again

                      but why try it out?))) on figs you got to me ????)))))))))
                    6. sds555
                      sds555 9 January 2014 01: 22
                      +1
                      Then maybe you shouldn’t start about the sneakers, huh? It turns out when there is nothing to say, you slide into rudeness, not good
                    7. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 9 January 2014 01: 51
                      -1
                      Quote: sds555
                      It turns out when there is nothing to say, slide into rudeness, not good

                      What a hello, such an answer!
                      And wipe the snot three times before talking to me in that tone)))))
                    8. sds555
                      sds555 9 January 2014 02: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: sds555
                      And in general, finish your showdown with the Armenians on this site, what other sites do you have? If you raise the latest similar topics on the site, you see the same characters and the ongoing Armenian-Azerbaijani showdown, aren't you tired?

                      Well, you’ve been offended politely to this post and in response an inadequate reaction to be able to control yourself, and why do you have a snot on your snot?
                    9. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 9 January 2014 02: 13
                      -1
                      Quote: sds555
                      Well, you’ve been offended politely to this post and in response an inadequate reaction to be able to control yourself, and why do you have a snot on your snot?

                      They also politely answered you ..
                      I don’t like when jerks try to teach me, that's all))
                      Do not like the tablecloth path !!)) Nobody holds you here))))
                    10. sds555
                      sds555 9 January 2014 02: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Quote: sds555
                      And in general, finish these your showdowns with the Armenians on this site, what other sites do you have ?!
                      Will you indicate to me?))))
                      Do not like the tablecloth road))))))))))))))
                      Quote: sds555
                      If you raise the latest similar topics on the site, you see the same characters and the ongoing Armenian-Azerbaijani showdown, aren't you sick? Don't like it, pass by !!
                      I will have the right to download every wiping snot yesterday)))))

                      And do you consider this a polite answer? I say a clinical case ...
                    11. sds555
                      sds555 9 January 2014 02: 27
                      +1
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Do not like the tablecloth path !!)) Nobody holds you here))))

                      Or maybe you’ll go to hell from the site? Does the crown not scratch the ceiling?
  • likurg1
    likurg1 9 January 2014 00: 12
    0
    and who are the enemies? Russians ???
  • 31231
    31231 7 January 2014 20: 26
    0
    Were there really Russians in Chechnya against the Russian Federation? Or did some Czechs live in Chechnya?
    The nadterechny district seemed to be considered adequate.
  • apollo
    apollo 9 January 2014 19: 23
    0
    for especially literate - Azerbaijan is Transcaucasia
  • apollo
    apollo 7 January 2014 01: 44
    +2
    you're right will not run away, we are not playing hide and seek
  • valerii41
    valerii41 7 January 2014 19: 40
    0
    At the expense of Russian insolence, it’s not noticeable, but you can’t hide it like a lousy girl
  • syntanjey
    syntanjey 8 January 2014 05: 22
    0
    Will you have fun? Would you like that? Is Aliyev too moderate in your opinion?
  • Corsair
    Corsair 9 January 2014 01: 36
    +2
    Quote: Yeraz
    everyone knows perfectly well without the support of Russia they will not and Russia knows this very well


    And here it is, SERIOUSLY. It smells of the threat of the GENOCIDE ...

    P'C ‹СЃРєР ° Р · С‹ РІР ° РЅРёРµYeraz once again strengthens confidence that only Russia, and if necessary its GUNS, will keep Azerbaijan and Armenia from self-destruction ...
    1. sds555
      sds555 9 January 2014 01: 41
      0
      I agree, some comments here are clearly not scattered from a big mind (clinic ...)
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 9 January 2014 02: 01
        +1
        Quote: sds555
        clinic...

        And especially in the themes of Azerbaijan-Armenia relations.
        1. sds555
          sds555 9 January 2014 02: 15
          0
          And along the way, except for minus the posts of everyone who disagrees with them, nothing can
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 9 January 2014 02: 43
            +3
            Quote: sds555
            And along the way, except for minus the posts of everyone who disagrees with them, nothing can

            This stems from a reluctance to listen to the opinions of others and a wild misunderstanding that we (Russia) will not let anyone rattle our arms at our borders now.

            And not far away is the hour when the BLESSED TIME will return, in which None of the guns without allowing Russia in Europe did not shoot.

            Well, the "minus players" do not realize this fact, even if they crack ...
            1. sds555
              sds555 9 January 2014 02: 55
              +2
              Quote: Corsair
              This stems from a reluctance to listen to the opinions of others and a wild misunderstanding that we (Russia) will not let anyone rattle our arms at our borders now.

              I also think so, Russia doesn’t need any military conflicts near our borders, and it so happened that all neighboring states are in Russia's sphere of interest, there’s nothing to be done, geopolitics and everyone who likes to rattle their arms should understand this (some have long understood this not yet here and puffed)
  • konvalval
    konvalval 6 January 2014 14: 52
    0
    Quote: makarov
    There is in every moral system
    The idea is common to all:
    you cannot be with both those and those
    without betraying those and those.
    И.Г.

    It would be nice if this rhyme to Yanukovych’s ears.
    1. konvalval
      konvalval 6 January 2014 16: 25
      +1
      So if the Armenians do this, it’s bad, and if your friends, it’s good.
    2. makarov
      makarov 6 January 2014 17: 12
      -2
      will not work. he is listening with a goose.
  • RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 6 January 2014 19: 11
    +6
    [quote = svp67] Does Armenia have alternatives to the Customs Union?

    So where do they get from a submarine. Managed to spoil relations with Azerbaijan - Karabakh, Georgians - Armenian Battalion them. Baghramyan in Abkhazia, with Turkey historically, Iran has supported them so far, but given the Islamic factor there, as well as about 20 million, are Azerbaijanis a big future? Armenia exists thanks to Russia. so don’t give a damn about her head, so you won’t be surprised what rain is dripping. And what is the alternative to the TS - Putin showed in September :)
    1. apollo
      apollo 7 January 2014 01: 35
      0
      I don’t see the ground for gloating, I need to think more broadly ...
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 9 January 2014 01: 52
        -1
        Quote: apollo
        I don’t see the ground for gloating, I need to think more broadly ...

        Where is even wider?))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
        geopolitics)))))))))))))))))))))))
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    2. valerii41
      valerii41 7 January 2014 19: 46
      +1
      During a visit to Armenia, Putin was shown the middle finger of blindness.
      1. apollo
        apollo 8 January 2014 15: 23
        +1
        I think Putin was not offended, he understands what’s going on, but you seem to have no valerii41
    3. xtur
      xtur 8 January 2014 01: 52
      +3
      > Managed to spoil relations with Azerbaijan-Karabakh, Georgians-the Armenian battalion named after. Baghramyan in Abkhazia, with Turkey- historical

      the territory of historical Armenia is larger than the territory of France - Armenians were cut out there for sympathy for the Russians. And then, to the noise, the remaining territories in the neighbors were scattered.

      They don’t sell their homeland - didn’t such a thought occur to you?
      Not now, not in 1000 years
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 8 January 2014 01: 59
        -1
        Quote: xtur
        the territory of historical Armenia is larger than the territory of France

        where such information comes from)))))) stop loudly declaring ... I will also say right now that present-day Armenia was created on the originally Azerbaijani lands and will be 1000 times right .. and the empire of Shah Ismail Khatai extended from India to Istanbul ... ..
        Quote: xtur
        They don’t sell their homeland - didn’t such a thought occur to you?

        Homeland is the place where you were born .... and they don’t trade. Of course you are right ..... but if in your crazy minds about Great Armenia you will say that the Homeland is the place where any Armenian’s foot entered, you you will not be right ......
        1. xtur
          xtur 8 January 2014 02: 16
          +3
          > Homeland is the place where you were born

          don’t teach me what Homeland is and I won’t tell you where to go

          PS. Judging by your name, Vurgun, you are an Azerbaijani - if I had guessed to look at your profile, I would simply not argue with you, there can be no search for truth between enemies, even theoretically

          just your nickname misled me
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 8 January 2014 11: 07
            0
            Quote: xtur
            Vurgun, judging by your name you are Azerbaijani - if I had guessed to look at your profile,

            And God also deprived of his eyesight ??? The fact that he had the flag on Azerbaijan and Mubariz, who decided yours, did not bother you ??
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 8 January 2014 11: 38
              0
              Quote: Yeraz
              A vision of God, too, deprived ??? The fact that he has on Ave Azeri flag and Mubariz

              laughing good fellow laughed for a long time) class ..... he had three in geography at school)))
        2. syntanjey
          syntanjey 8 January 2014 05: 40
          +5
          The territories of large Armenia are full of Armenian monuments, which the Turks carefully demolished and demolished. Genocide continues. I, a purebred Russian, from the northern city know this, the whole world knows this. Turkey and Azerbaijan need to repent for demolished monuments, for destroyed culture, reparations to pay and return the territory. And not in the north, but in the south. For me, as a historian, the ancient Armenian culture is one hundred times fuller and more valuable than your conquering states. The ambitions of Turkey and Azerbaijan take away their homeland from the Armenians in pieces, confronting the Armenian people with the fact of the lands taken away, the destroyed monuments, the carved population.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 8 January 2014 11: 15
            -4
            Quote: syntanjey
            For me, as a historian, the ancient Armenian culture is one hundred times fuller and more valuable

            sorry for your history faculty .. colleague smile but if it’s more serious ... read more and more versatile ..... if we start recalling our monuments here ....... places on the site will turn out))))))
            1. apollo
              apollo 8 January 2014 17: 37
              +4
              That's right, you need to study in Azerbaijani universities, then Iran was also historically Azerbaijani territory
        3. apollo
          apollo 8 January 2014 17: 35
          +1
          Turks (Azerbaijanis) appeared in the region in the 15th century A.D., Armenia as a state appeared in the 9th century B.C. and the place is called the Armenian Highlands and not Azerbaijan, but historically so much territory was lost, as well as the peoples living in this region
          except for Azerbaijani historians, have you read anyone?
  • Arhj
    Arhj 6 January 2014 19: 41
    0
    Quote: lonely
    Quote: Arhj
    The Georgian economy, as it is not strange, also for the most part belongs to Russian structures. Energy is almost complete. But as it turned out without a political component, this does not play a decisive role.


    You are mistaken. The Georgian fuel and energy complex is under the control of Azerbaijan. Most of the electricity, gas and fuel are delivered from Azerbaijan. At a very favorable price for both republics.
    Regarding Iran - with the intransigence of Georgia and Turkey - Iran is that access to the sea, including the Caspian, which was discussed.


    You do not take into account the fact that when transporting goods through Iran, the cost of production increases. And there is also a railroad through Iran to Armenia. But the railway crossing is located on the territory of Azerbaijan. In Nakhichevan. And to build a railway bypass I need billions of dollars given the terrain.
  • 120352
    120352 7 January 2014 00: 27
    0
    There is always an alternative. And there is also historical experience. Especially the experience of relations with Persia and Turkey. And if Armenia doesn’t enter parts there and there, only then it will be necessary to get rid of its self, of Christianity, otherwise they will be killed there, in their new homeland. The Internet is full of materials about this. Read. But, leaving Russia, leave completely. Take all yours. From everywhere. Only leave Aivazovsky to us. He died no longer Ayvazyan.
    1. apollo
      apollo 7 January 2014 02: 11
      +2
      I think you were in a hurry with conclusions, Armenia was the first in 301g. adopted Christianity as a state religion, and it was just its faith that saved it from complete enslavement when it was divided between Persia and Turkey, they tried to Islamize us but it didn’t pass, and the moods like you are friends with me seem like a joke
    2. FRITZ LANG
      FRITZ LANG 7 January 2014 11: 11
      +1
      If they take all of theirs from Russia, they don’t have enough space in Armenia, they will climb somewhere else besides the NKR
      1. apollo
        apollo 8 January 2014 17: 39
        +2
        and if you collect all Azerbaijanis and Georgians all over the world then where to put them, primitively write
    3. xtur
      xtur 8 January 2014 01: 58
      +3
      > He died no longer Ayvazyan.

      and you look at his gravestone - there are inscriptions in both Armenian and Russian

      But we have artists who are immeasurably cooler than Aivazovsky, although he is also very loved and respected. And how the Armenians came to Russia is a long conversation, not to discuss this article
  • stranik72
    stranik72 7 January 2014 00: 56
    0
    Quote: lonely


    Eugene, Russia does not spend anything for the base, providing the utility budget and foodstuffs at the expense of the Armenian budget. From the Russian budget, only transporting equipment and providing ammunition is spent on the base.

    WELL AS NOT PAYING, PAYING AND EXPENSIVE:
    .. "Former Minister of Defense of Armenia, Lieutenant General Vagharshak Harutyunyan, commenting on the proposal of some Armenian experts to charge rent for the right to have a base in Armenia.

    "In the case of Armenia, the presence of the base proceeds from the interests of the Armenian side. Russia assumes the functions of ensuring security, and the new agreement also assumes the functions of providing modern and compatible weapons. We will assume that this is a lease payment, especially since it is a serious amount, "he said.

    According to Harutyunyan, the Armenian government does not pay salaries to the Russian military serving on the territory of the Russian military base in Gyumri, while Russia and Armenia pay border guards according to the "50-50" formula.


    Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/russia/1318518.html#ixzz2peZs6DfA
    1. apollo
      apollo 7 January 2014 01: 53
      0
      Well, let's say what is spending and what of this, in reality, the weapons remain at the disposal of the Russian side
    2. xtur
      xtur 7 January 2014 02: 03
      0
      > the Armenian government does not pay salaries to the Russian military serving on the territory of the Russian military base in Gyumri

      yeah, and he doesn’t deliver a whore to them - do you even understand how stupid you are quoting that?

      that is, did you decide that Armenia should pay for your military bases on its territory? That's Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, Russia pays for base lease agreements
  • ed65b
    ed65b 7 January 2014 01: 56
    +7
    all merry christmas drinks Azerbaijanis, why did they burn a tree in Baku for the new year ????
    1. apollo
      apollo 7 January 2014 03: 13
      +2
      Merry Christmas!!!
      they don’t believe in Santa Claus anymore; only Aliyev was ordered
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 8 January 2014 11: 11
        0
        Quote: apollo
        they don’t believe in Santa Claus anymore; only Aliyev was ordered

        And we never believed in him, this power, led by Aliyev, is trying to make us believe.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 9 January 2014 13: 48
          +2
          Quote: Yeraz
          And we never believed in him, this power, led by Aliyev, is trying to make us believe.

          Oh, and the dense folk sometimes "come to visit" the VO ...
          You, that the New Year and Santa Claus in childhood scared?
          Calm down! Santa Claus is GOOD ...

          And in the picture St.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 7 January 2014 10: 23
      -2
      Quote: ed65b
      all merry christmas

      drinks
      Quote: ed65b
      why did they burn the tree in Baku for the new year ????

      .... emotions are going wild laughingbecause the Italians arrived (San Remo) bully
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 7 January 2014 10: 49
        +2
        Quote: smersh70
        Quote: ed65b
        all merry christmas

        drinks
        Quote: ed65b
        why did they burn the tree in Baku for the new year ????

        .... emotions are going wild laughingbecause the Italians arrived (San Remo) bully

        Class! remembered youth ... I feel sorry for the Christmas tree .. crying ))))
    3. valerii41
      valerii41 7 January 2014 19: 53
      +1
      Russia has a new market Azerbaijanis sold oil and gas, and we will sell Christmas trees, people need to warm themselves
    4. Yeraz
      Yeraz 8 January 2014 11: 10
      -2
      Quote: ed65b
      Azerbaijanis, why did they burn a tree in Baku for the new year ????

      Well, firstly, the New Year is not our holiday, we have Novruz, but this is an incomprehensible holiday of the West. By the way, in Russia the New Year was celebrated not on the first of January, thanks to Uncle Peter, who made all this a national holiday in Russia.
      And so we said that there is a radicalization of the population, that’s the fruit. While they burned the Christmas tree in one of the districts of Baku, they will burn it in the center in a couple of years.
      New Year must be canceled, as well as all sorts of Halloween. Let everyone celebrate their national holiday.
      1. Oh no no no
        Oh no no no 9 January 2014 02: 12
        +2
        The New Year is not our holiday, we have Novruz, but it is an incomprehensible holiday of the West ... The New Year must be canceled, like all Halloween. Let everyone celebrate their national holiday.


        And what calendar do you have, not Gregorian? and the reckoning, is it not from the Nativity of Christ (or, without an accent, a new / AD)? Why not celebrate the onset of the new year, century or, as we were lucky for 300 generations - even millennia? and where does Anglo-Saxon Halloween come in? Everyone went crazy on national religious grounds ... The era of obscurantism is coming ...
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 9 January 2014 20: 28
        0
        Quote: Yeraz
        And so we said that there is a radicalization of the population, that’s the fruit. While they burned the Christmas tree in one of the districts of Baku, they will burn it in the center in a couple of years.

        In one of the Western European countries, they started by burning a BOOK, and finished ...

        Think !!!
  • xtur
    xtur 7 January 2014 02: 13
    +1
    the gas situation is extremely simple - the country is governed by a government that the people did not choose (guess who is the pillar of this government, if not a native people), which is openly glad to anyone who emigrated from the country, which was publicly said

    This government has one concern - to cut money. All analyzes on the topic of guessing something based on national interests are nothing to talk about.

    Iranian diplomats in Yerevan publicly stated that they were ready to supply gas to Armenia at prices lower than those supplied by Russia. There is a political war between Russia and Iran for control over the territory transit for gas pipelines, this must not be forgotten

    The agreement on gas supply conditions in Armenia was published in the Armenian parliament, there are requirements not to buy gas from countries other than Russia, not to build transit gas pipelines.

    And Armenia needs railway via Iran - until such a railway appears, Georgia will not open its railway - the USA will not allow it. Today, the delivery of a container from the USA to the Georgian port of Poti costs as much as from this port to Yerevan, that is, in fact, Armenia is in the economic transport blockade from Georgia and in the political transport blockade from Azerbaijan and Turkey. If the position of Turkey and Azerbaijan is clear and understandable, the position of Georgia is incomprehensible

    And if in such a situation Russia does not solve the most important issue of railway via Iran, then the idea of ​​a TS simply discredits itself, because there can be no economy without a cheap and reliable railway
    1. 31231
      31231 7 January 2014 20: 34
      0
      We hope that with the entry into the CU of Armenia, Georgians will behave more adequately. The border of their goods to the Russian Federation does not last long.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 7 January 2014 22: 37
        +2
        Quote: 31231
        The border of their goods to the Russian Federation does not last long.

        And what goods does Armenia have ?? For Russia, this is a drop in the bucket !!!
        1. syntanjey
          syntanjey 8 January 2014 05: 42
          0
          Cognac drop in the sea of ​​vodka! )))
        2. 31231
          31231 8 January 2014 21: 07
          0
          And what goods are in the Jewish Autonomous Region in the Far East?
          1. valerii41
            valerii41 8 January 2014 21: 25
            0
            There are goods; Jews are shaved with paisans, Jews are bald with paises and a bunch of other Jews. They just need to be caught in the Moscow and St. Petersburg regions, in the real world of their habitation, and then sent by air to the Far East. Expensive, but you have to pay money for the goods. As you can see, it’s easier to sit without a salary
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 7 January 2014 22: 36
      0
      Quote: xtur
      And if in such a situation Russia does not solve the most important issue of railway via Iran, then the idea of ​​a TS simply discredits itself, because there can be no economy without a cheap and reliable railway

      It's funny)) this is another cut of money))) Iran has a railway to Russia, through Azerbaijan, which is being actively repaired !!
      This is economically much more profitable than through Armenia! Armenia does not have a land border with Russia !! It's like scratching your right ear with your left hand)))
      1. xtur
        xtur 8 January 2014 01: 35
        +2
        > Iran has a railway to Russia, through Azerbaijan, which is being actively repaired !!

        Armenia and Azerbaijan have irreconcilable antagonism relations - and if it’s easier, we are irreconcilable enemies.

        So railroad through the territory of the enemy of Armenia is not needed / useless - is there much use from it now?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 8 January 2014 01: 52
          -2
          Quote: xtur
          Armenia and Azerbaijan have irreconcilable antagonism relations - and if it’s easier, we are irreconcilable enemies.

          You are mistaken, my friend))) we still have 30000 Armenians. in Georgia there are villages where representatives of both nat-tei live together quietly--
          there is simply aggression of one state against another .... there is a fact of occupation of 20% of the territory ... and there is simple hatred of the aggressor, the same as that of a representative of any state whose territories recognized by all states of the world are occupied. Such feelings were your grandfathers were 41 years old ..... but this intransigence came to naught in 45 ... it will be so in the future, when peace is established and the territorial integrity of our country is restored ..... so that all hands leaders of Armenia ... and they don’t want to backtrack, because they themselves participated in aggression and in the eyes of their nationalists they will be declared traitors ... but only political will is needed .. like Mandela ... for example ..... ..
          1. xtur
            xtur 8 January 2014 02: 02
            +2
            Armenia and Azerbaijan are very different from a single Armenian and / or Azerbaijani. Comparison incorrect

            How many times have I talked with Azerbaijanis in different places. But state relations have a completely different logic. And I'm absolutely not going to discuss the aggression to whom these lands belong ... I just say that our state relations are relations of mortal enemies
          2. apollo
            apollo 8 January 2014 17: 49
            +2
            about 30000 - not seriously, there are no Armenians in Azerbaijan, well, except for those Azerbaijanis who were born in Armenia, if you consider them Armenians, just like there are no Azerbaijanis in Armenia, this is the result of the war
            in those days, the rise of nationalism was observed everywhere (USSR), by the way Hitler arranged the Holocaust according to the same scheme as the Turks against the Armenians

            the will of the people is needed so as not to live rewriting the history of neighbors
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 8 January 2014 18: 44
              0
              Quote: apollo
              about 30000 - not seriously, there are no Armenians in Azerbaijan

              Yes, they are. They are mainly women, Azerbaijanis' wives and old men. In the park near my grandmother’s house, the grandmother is a touch of seeds, the semi-Armenian family lives above. And another Armenian sent money to my family through my uncle in Moscow.
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 8 January 2014 11: 15
      +2
      Quote: xtur
      Georgia’s position is incomprehensible

      Well, why is it incomprehensible, on the contrary, it is too soft.
      and here is a recent quote from the Minister of Georgia


      Azerbaijan is our strategic ally, like Turkey, we have developed relations with this country, without which we cannot survive. ” This was stated by Georgian Minister of Defense Irakli Alasania to the Turkish magazine Turkish policy.
      1. apollo
        apollo 8 January 2014 17: 51
        +2
        do not take the words of politicians, it’s stupid, even if the minister said the truth, I’m glad for the Georgian and Azerbaijani people, and what do you think the ministers of Armenia and Georgia don’t compliment each other at the meeting
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 8 January 2014 18: 50
          0
          Quote: apollo
          do not take the words of politicians, it’s stupid, even if the minister said the truth, I’m glad for the Georgian and Azerbaijani people, and what do you think the ministers of Armenia and Georgia don’t compliment each other at the meeting

          Look at the collaboration and understand it is blah blah or reality. Do not make a fool of yourself.
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 7 January 2014 09: 10
    +2
    Quote: Yeraz
    Well, the CU would not give anything to Azerbaijan. There is gas and this is the main export segment.

    Libya and Iraq also had everything (and now have it).
    1. 31231
      31231 7 January 2014 20: 36
      +3
      Well, you will not prove it to Azerbaijanis. They sincerely believe that only Armenians can be their enemies.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 8 January 2014 11: 17
      0
      Quote: Jamal
      Libya and Iraq also had everything (and now have it).

      And like without a vehicle we will be slammed))) Well, this threatens Baku from the North))
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 7 January 2014 10: 31
    +1
    Quote: Guun
    Quote: MIKHAN
    No need to be angry with Armenia .. (we won’t give it up for tearing ..))) I do not advise checking ..

    Let them return what does not belong to them, then they may be forgiven.

    And what does not belong to them ..? bully If there are problems, let's solve everything in Moscow ...
  • Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 7 January 2014 11: 05
    +4
    drinks Good to swear ...
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 7 January 2014 11: 18
    0
    Quote: Prapor-527
    drinks Good to swear ...

    I agree! drinks
  • Keeper
    Keeper 7 January 2014 11: 56
    -1
    There are very few Armenians in Europe! Close cooperation with Russia is the only way out for both countries, since it cannot be said that Russia is not interested in cooperation (both in terms of food and in human terms + Armenia is a very beautiful country! I had a rest with my family in Yerevan with friends - there will be an opportunity - I will repeat it more than once!). So Armenia really needs patronage (let's call it that), because in the CU there are different prices and sales markets than on world "standards"!
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 7 January 2014 12: 09
    -3
    Quote: Keeper
    There are very few Armenians in Europe! Close cooperation with Russia is the only way out for both countries, since it cannot be said that Russia is not interested in cooperation (both in terms of food and in human terms + Armenia is a very beautiful country! I had a rest with my family in Yerevan with friends - there will be an opportunity - I will repeat it more than once!). So Armenia really needs patronage (let's call it that), because in the CU there are different prices and sales markets than on world "standards"!

    There is still an ancient culture and Orthodox churches .. (in Serbia they ruined everything ..) I have never been there alas .. I can say too loudly and pathos but I just think (or feel) that there will be no Armenia and Russia .. (in essence) maybe just the names will remain .. God forbid!
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 7 January 2014 12: 42
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      there will be no Armenia and Russia will not.
      I'm sorry, Meehan .. but reluctantly, put a minus bully Russia lived without Armenia .. and will live !!!! DID NOT ENOUGH SUCH A COUNTRY AS RUSSIA, and depended on its outpost .... what about you, my friend ....
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 7 January 2014 13: 06
        +3
        Quote: smersh70
        Quote: MIKHAN
        there will be no Armenia and Russia will not.
        I'm sorry, Meehan .. but reluctantly, put a minus bully Russia lived without Armenia .. and will live !!!! DID NOT ENOUGH SUCH A COUNTRY AS RUSSIA, and depended on its outpost .... what about you, my friend ....

        I understand .. if I were you, I would have done the same thing .. and yet I sometimes get stuck Well, the opinion is like that .. It’s very sad and painful to read all this .. you wave your sabers with a whistle .. (I'm really an amateur myself))) well okay time should put everything in its place .. (I hope without a lot of blood ..)
      2. 31231
        31231 7 January 2014 20: 38
        +4
        Sorry, Vurgun, but without squeaking, he set a minus. For Russia itself will decide who it lives with. And do not give out your opinion, for the opinion of the people and the leadership of Russia.
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        3. smersh70
          smersh70 8 January 2014 01: 32
          -1
          Quote: 31231
          For Russia itself will decide who it lives with.

          and I was against it))))))
          Quote: 31231
          And do not give out your opinion, for the opinion of the people and the leadership of Russia.

          God forbid, God forbid !!!! .. but how do you know that the country's leadership and people think the same way as YOU))))) so it's not me, but YOU declare))))
    2. family tree
      family tree 7 January 2014 12: 57
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      there will be no Armenia and Russia will not .. (in essence) maybe just the names will remain .. God forbid!

      Damn, MIKHAN, let’s we live without Armenia, it’s Armenia without us. And our churches are a bit different, despite the fact that both are not wrong, all three are Orthodox.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 7 January 2014 13: 08
        -2
        Quote: perepilka
        all three are Orthodox.

        Catholic Armenians .... and not Orthodox .............
        1. family tree
          family tree 7 January 2014 13: 39
          +2
          Quote: smersh70
          Catholic Armenians .... and not Orthodox .............

          Well, as it were, even if their main one is called the Catholicos, the Armenian Holy Apostolic Orthodox Church, Orthodox from this, does not cease to be, although there are features of Catholicism, as well as Orthodoxy, in it. The fact is that it is, perhaps, the most ancient, and was formed and held long before the appearance of the one that later divided into Roman and Greek.
        2. sds555
          sds555 7 January 2014 15: 38
          +4
          The Armenian Holy Apostolic Orthodox Church refers to the ancient Orthodox churches (material from the wiki if that) it means that they are not Catholics even once. The Armenian Holy Apostolic Orthodox Church has a number of features in dogma and ritual that distinguish it from both Byzantine Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism. It belongs to the ancient Orthodox churches.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 January 2014 22: 40
            -1
            Quote: sds555
            The Armenian Holy Apostolic Orthodox Church refers to the ancient Orthodox churches (material from the wiki if that) it means that they are not Catholics even once

            read less wiki))))
            1. sds555
              sds555 7 January 2014 23: 50
              0
              And I didn’t say that they profess Russian Orthodoxy, Orthodoxy has several branches So that they are not Catholics, as smersh70 Here is from the website of the Moscow Patriarchate: Armenian Apostolic Church (full name Armenian Holy Apostolic Orthodox Church) is one of the oldest Churches in the world, to which the vast majority of the inhabitants of the Republic of Armenia, the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, as well as the majority of Armenians living in the Diaspora in many countries of the world. Belongs to the family of the Ancient Eastern Pre-Chalcedonian Churches. http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/1114932.html
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 8 January 2014 00: 24
                -1
                Quote: sds555
                And I didn’t say that they profess Russian Orthodoxy, Orthodoxy has several branches

                The fact that the Russian Orthodox Church considers them heretics!
                They are led by the Catalikos Church !!
                And where are the branches ??
                As for the wiki there, they can write anything, the fact remains a fact!
                1. sds555
                  sds555 8 January 2014 01: 33
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  They are led by the Catalikos Church !!
                  And why? They all became Catholic together? Pay attention, the main idea of ​​my posts is Armenia is not a Catholic country, and for whom they are heretics or not heretics, this is another question
                2. xtur
                  xtur 8 January 2014 02: 27
                  +4
                  > The fact is that the Russian Orthodox Church considers them heretics!

                  the opinion of the Russian Orthodox Church on theological issues should be approved at the Councils - so give a link to the decision of the Council, and not a separate opinion.
                3. apollo
                  apollo 8 January 2014 17: 59
                  0
                  the elder for the Russian Orthodox Church did not say too small
            2. apollo
              apollo 8 January 2014 17: 59
              +2
              Yes, I’ve seen this video and laughed at the glory, this old man has not only carried nonsense about us
        3. xtur
          xtur 8 January 2014 02: 22
          +3
          > Armenians are Catholics .... not Orthodox

          Well, the level of your knowledge is becoming clearer, you are the same expert on the campaign as the Minister of Culture of the USSR Dolgikh, who at one time in Yerevan said: "Well, what did you do with Azerbaijan, two brotherly Muslim peoples!"

          I won’t even enlighten, it’s not noticeable that you need this information at least as much as you need in life
        4. xtur
          xtur 8 January 2014 02: 22
          +4
          > Armenians are Catholics .... not Orthodox

          Well, the level of your knowledge is becoming clearer, you are the same expert on the campaign as the Minister of Culture of the USSR Dolgikh, who at one time in Yerevan said: "Well, what did you do with Azerbaijan, two brotherly Muslim peoples!"

          I won’t even enlighten, it’s not noticeable that you need this information at least as much as you need in life
        5. apollo
          apollo 8 January 2014 17: 57
          +2
          since when did the Armenians Catholics :)))) illiteracy ...
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 7 January 2014 13: 34
        +2
        Quote: perepilka
        Quote: MIKHAN
        there will be no Armenia and Russia will not .. (in essence) maybe just the names will remain .. God forbid!

        Damn, MIKHAN, let’s we live without Armenia, it’s Armenia without us. And our churches are a bit different, despite the fact that both are not wrong, all three are Orthodox.

        If you talk like that .. soon everyone will have to dig trenches around the house and fight back until they cover the UAV on top .. We need Armenia! whoever says that .. (and not only as a territory FOR PLACING A MILITARY BASE ..!) Everyone will have to be friends anyway .. Let's calm down ..
        1. family tree
          family tree 7 January 2014 13: 43
          +1
          Quote: MIKHAN
          ..Armenia we need!

          Yes, who would object smile Naturally needed, like many others.
      3. donchepano
        donchepano 7 January 2014 13: 55
        +2
        Armenians are not Orthodox!
        1. family tree
          family tree 7 January 2014 15: 29
          +2
          Quote: donchepano
          Armenians are not Orthodox!

          Yah?!
          http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/1114932.html
          Even the Russian Orthodox Church, your opinion, will not be shared request
          1. atalef
            atalef 7 January 2014 15: 40
            +1
            Quote: perepilka
            Quote: donchepano
            Armenians are not Orthodox!

            Yah?!
            http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/1114932.html
            Even the Russian Orthodox Church, your opinion, will not be shared request


            Armenians are considered ancient Orthodox, but they are monstrously far from the Russian Orthodox Church.
            To begin with, the Armenian church believes that Jesus was born as a man and only became resurrected upon resurrection. The Russian Orthodox Church claims that Jesus was already born of God (therefore we see a halo on Russian Orthodox icons) around the head of the newborn Jesus. on Armenian icons, the halo around the head of Jesus appears only after the resurrection ..
            Therefore, the concepts of the holy trinity also differ.
            It is a monstrous difference to call the Armenian and Russian churches intimate deeply wrong.
            1. family tree
              family tree 7 January 2014 16: 06
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              It is a monstrous difference to call the Armenian and Russian churches intimate deeply wrong.

              And this is mine
              And our churches are a bit different, despite the fact that both are not wrong, all three are Orthodox.

              Nevertheless, it is closer than Catholicism and, I am not afraid of the word, Judaism hi
              1. atalef
                atalef 7 January 2014 16: 46
                0
                Quote: perepilka
                However, she is closer than Catholicism

                No problem .
                Just for fun, why closer than Catholicism? So more clearly, if possible.
              2. atalef
                atalef 7 January 2014 16: 46
                0
                Quote: perepilka
                However, she is closer than Catholicism

                No problem .
                Just for fun, why closer than Catholicism? So more clearly, if possible.
                1. family tree
                  family tree 7 January 2014 17: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: atalef

                  Just for fun, why closer than Catholicism? So more clearly, if possible.

                  Yes, they, like 1054, fled, so still barking, for various reasons. There seemed to be no such squabble with the Armenian, the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian Orthodox Church, probably abruptly clashed.
                  And if it’s even more understandable, then, in my head, delve into, I'm sure, information about this, there in bulk wink
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                  2. atalef
                    atalef 7 January 2014 17: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: perepilka
                    Yes, they, like 1054, fled, so still barking, for various reasons. With the Armenian, such squabbles did not seem to be

                    Of course . they didn’t come to the Cathedral of 1054 at all. putting a bolt on everyone

                    Quote: perepilka
                    And if it’s even more understandable, then, in my head, delve into, I'm sure, information about this, there in bulk

                    Yes, I know that. I wanted to ask you. I thought something more specific.
                    1. family tree
                      family tree 7 January 2014 17: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef
                      Of course . they didn’t come to the Cathedral of 1054 at all. putting a bolt on everyone

                      Wise guys however what
                      Yes, I know that. I wanted to ask you. I thought something more specific.

                      I, from the institute, hate exams, nevertheless, every year I have to confirm the admission group, and then you would have taken it and told what so smart, Information is easier to check than to find winked
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 7 January 2014 17: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: perepilka
                        I, from the institute, hate exams, nevertheless, every year I have to confirm the admission group, and then you would have taken it and told


                        Well, how about an electrician (energy) - an electrician - respect. I had a 5th in the Union above 1000. Here it is the same. How is the frequency on the network? Not falling?
                      2. family tree
                        family tree 7 January 2014 18: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, how about an electrician (energy) - an electrician - respect. I had a 5th in the Union above 1000. Here it is the same. How is the frequency on the network? Not falling?

                        Also the fifth, only it is up to and above 1000v. The frequency, while holding, but the voltage drops, the distance, the load increases, we change the wires, slowly, well, as we replace, maybe the generators will go overload what , then with a frequency the problems will start, or maybe not, they do not limit the power yet.
                      3. valerii41
                        valerii41 7 January 2014 18: 19
                        +2
                        A colleague with a tolerance of 5 groups and a tolerance of up to and above 1000 volts go to the American frequency of 60 hertz
                      4. family tree
                        family tree 7 January 2014 19: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: valerii41
                        A colleague with a tolerance of 5 groups and a tolerance of up to and above 1000 volts go to the American frequency of 60 hertz

                        Do you want to drive into debt? what
                        Actually 5th group of electrical safety and admission to and over 1000v. It eats into the brain, an electrician, in another way, rarely says. I have to press harder on "c", it's time to change the keyboard.
                      5. valerii41
                        valerii41 7 January 2014 19: 23
                        +3
                        So they can joke in ZhEKs at whom the counter is braked by a crowbar
                      6. family tree
                        family tree 7 January 2014 21: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: valerii41
                        So they can joke in ZhEKs at whom the counter is braked by a crowbar

                        Energy sales companies are generally engaged in accounting and marketing. But, if the meter is slowed down with a crowbar and if this meter is in the ZhEK office, there will be sea of ​​humor there.
                        ps a year ago, in our communal apartment we increased, with what a fright, no one even understood, quickly slipped into the housing office, and there the girl explained to me that they supposedly did not raise their salary for a long time, apparently they did not have time to instruct request
          2. valerii41
            valerii41 7 January 2014 20: 09
            +3
            In 451, at the Third Ecumenical Council, the Armenians wanted to crush all Christianity for themselves, but it turned out to be a bummer. The Armenians and five more churches according to the laws of the Third Ecumenical Council, and all the rest Christians according to the laws of the Seven Ecumenical Councils.
      4. xtur
        xtur 8 January 2014 02: 34
        +2
        > Just for fun, why is it closer than Catholicism?

        Armenians do not believe that the Holy Spirit emanates from a Catholicos, as Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit emanates from a pope
        not the principle of the infallibility of the Catholicos, as there is the principle of the infallibility of the pope. in addition, the Orthodox recognize SynergyCatholics and Protestants do not recognize Synergies

        AAC has no problems with Synergy
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 7 January 2014 16: 56
      0
      Quote: perepilka
      However, she is closer, h

      "a national church is a church that exists apart from the Catholic church." It can be aloof from the nation (for example, the national church of Mexico), it can also organize the unity of the nation. The latter category includes many orthodox national churches (Albanian, Armenian, Bulgarian, Greek, Romanian, Cypriot, etc. churches). They are recognized by the state as a "state church" (for example, the Anglican or Russian Orthodox Church) and appear as a result of the efforts of a certain political party or are formed on the basis of belonging to a royal dynasty.
      The Catholic (universal) church, based on the canons of its worldview, does not recognize national churches. Her recommendations advise to educate "all peoples" and not members of particular races or classes. "National Church" contradicts Christianity's concept of interethnicism. At the time of the first church councils, the Roman emperors began to build residences in Constantinople to ensure the activities of the church within the framework of a single dogma. Thus, they increased control over the ever-increasing boundaries of the church. The history knows eight abbess church councils. These ecclesiastical councils, obligatory for all, were authorized to accept the pillars of faith. The first four councils are directly related to the history of the Armenian National Gregorian Church.
      325 Nicaea (present Iznik): "A large and sacred spiritual gathering of 318 fathers."
      According to the convened council against Arius under the leadership of the Ankara Bishop Markelus, Jesus was perceived only as a servant of God. According to the Edict of Nicene, Jesus "is a real god, born of a real god."
      381 Constantinople (Istanbul): After the bishop of Rome, the supremacy of the bishop of Constantinople is recognized over all bishops of the East. The result of the meeting is the Nicene-Constantinople Edict.
      In the Edict, seeds of discord were sown between the already existing and intensively developing different points of view of Constantinople and Rome as to whether the holy spirit refers only to the Father, or both to the Father and to the son.
      431 Ephsos (Ephesus): This meeting sees the first great church schism. The point is whether "Mary is the mother of the Lord or the woman who gave birth to the Lord."
      Bishop Nestor's supporters deny the "mother of God" in Mary and are separated from the general processes. As a result, the "Nestorian Church" becomes one of the most significant churches in world history, especially thanks to its missionary work in Asia. The attacks of the Moguls ("Mongols") laid the horses of this church.
      o 451 Chalcedon: The controversy here was that Jesus is only "real god" or "real man" or "god and man at the same time."
      Solution: The "Gospel of Matthew", adopted by the assembly of the clergy, was as follows: "We propagandize only one Son to all. This son has the qualities of both God and man and exists in two noncontacting natures."
      1. family tree
        family tree 7 January 2014 17: 13
        +1
        Not laziness? To study all the movements of Christianity, as well as Islam, life is not enough. laughing
        And I, as an Orthodox atheist, will go now, and I will take a pile for Christmas drinks
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        2. atalef
          atalef 7 January 2014 17: 19
          +3
          Quote: perepilka
          Not laziness? To study all the movements of Christianity, as well as Islam, life is not enough.

          In general, then much becomes clear, especially the events on the BV

          Quote: perepilka
          And I, as an Orthodox atheist, will go now, and I will take a pile for Christmas

          Merry Christmas hi - all Orthodox.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 7 January 2014 17: 29
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            Merry Christmas hi - all Orthodox.

            And you with a holiday, my left-Orthodox brother. laughing Great, Sanya. hi How, walked away after the holidays?
            1. atalef
              atalef 7 January 2014 17: 33
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: atalef
              Merry Christmas hi - all Orthodox.

              And you with a holiday, my left-Orthodox brother. laughing Great, Sanya. hi How, walked away after the holidays?


              Yes .31-1-2-3- okay and then to work. as it should be. In general, thanks to activated carbon + water with lemon. You get up in the morning --- and again into battle. Although on TV, to be honest, there was nothing to watch (in general, it’s understandable why) Good luck in the New Year and Merry Christmas.
              Let's hope that 2014 will be peaceful, and of victories at the Olympics. drinks hi good
            2. atalef
              atalef 7 January 2014 17: 33
              +1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Quote: atalef
              Merry Christmas hi - all Orthodox.

              And you with a holiday, my left-Orthodox brother. laughing Great, Sanya. hi How, walked away after the holidays?


              Yes .31-1-2-3- okay and then to work. as it should be. In general, thanks to activated carbon + water with lemon. You get up in the morning --- and again into battle. Although on TV, to be honest, there was nothing to watch (in general, it’s understandable why) Good luck in the New Year and Merry Christmas.
              Let's hope that 2014 will be peaceful, and of victories at the Olympics. drinks hi good
            3. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 7 January 2014 18: 48
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              .31-1-2-3- well then to work

              We have a weekend until the 9th. The liver is already rebelling.
              Quote: atalef
              In general, thanks to activated carbon + water with lemon.

              Brine + 2 tablets of citramone cooler. How did you manage to promote a relative on a blue label? It was hard to see, he is also a Jew. wassat We limited ourselves to Grants. But whiskey, unlike vodka, is boring, and not everyone goes to snacks, except for dessert. Pampering.
              Quote: atalef
              Let's hope 2014 is peaceful

              One can only hope that the locator below the lower back does not bode well, some dumb feelings, something unhealthy in the air, but I can’t explain. request
              P.S. Where did your pimple go? And then there’s no one to even quarrel with.
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      2. family tree
        family tree 7 January 2014 17: 41
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        In general, then much becomes clear, especially the events on the BV

        And what is there to understand? We got into the "reformist" wars, but don't spoil it, some sort of Middle Ages. Until it burns out. Everything is in a spiral.
        Merry Christmas hi - all Orthodox.

        Thank you.
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  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 7 January 2014 22: 42
    0
    Quote: perepilka
    Even the Russian Orthodox Church, your opinion, will not be shared

    ROC does not share?))))
    1. family tree
      family tree 8 January 2014 18: 07
      +2
      Quote: Yarbay
      ROC does not share?))))

      The official website of the Moscow Patriarchate, once again
      http://www.patriarchia.ru/db/text/1114932.html request
  • valerii41
    valerii41 7 January 2014 20: 00
    -1
    Thank you enlightened when the Georgians stabbed Russian guys in the back, these guys were protected by the UN flag. Armenia and Azerbaijanis supported the bastards.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 8 January 2014 01: 38
      -1
      Quote: valerii41
      Armenia and Azerbaijanis supported bastards


      ... this question is first addressed to Old Man and the other members of the CIS and then to all countries of the world, except for the country of Vinit (or whatever it is)))))))), Nicaraguawassat
    2. apollo
      apollo 8 January 2014 18: 04
      +1
      do not answer for the Armenians, this was not
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 7 January 2014 22: 38
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    ..I can say it too loud and pathos, but it just seems to me (or I feel) there will be no Armenia and Russia will not .. (in essence) it may just remain the name .. God forbid!

    It was with such thoughts that the destruction of the USSR happened!
    And then there will be more!
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 8 January 2014 10: 54
      +2
      Quote: Yarbay
      Quote: MIKHAN
      ..I can say it too loud and pathos, but it just seems to me (or I feel) there will be no Armenia and Russia will not .. (in essence) it may just remain the name .. God forbid!

      It was with such thoughts that the destruction of the USSR happened!
      And then there will be more!

      I disagree with you dear .. The destruction began when each sandpiper began to praise his swamp .. "who feeds whom and how well they will heal without each other .. forgetting about crocodiles ..! And Armenia is a little different for Russia (I just don't want to anger. .)))) wink
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 8 January 2014 11: 08
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        It began when each sandpiper began to praise its swamp.

        .kuliki sat quietly and did not even dream about their swamp laughing this is the order came from above .. who will start screaming more))))) and first from Moscow, more precisely from the interregional group of Quakers it went like that))) and from the places we thought, why should we sit quietly. let's croak .... .a most of all began to croak from the swamp of the Cote d'Azur ....)) and some have already taken up the reeds and started to beat all the neighbors .... here it goes, went)))))))
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  • stranik72
    stranik72 7 January 2014 12: 21
    +1
    Quote: xtur
    > the Armenian government does not pay salaries to the Russian military serving on the territory of the Russian military base in Gyumri

    yeah, and he doesn’t deliver a whore to them - do you even understand how stupid you are quoting that?

    that is, did you decide that Armenia should pay for your military bases on its territory? That's Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, Russia pays for base lease agreements

    It’s good that you understand that your military base of the Ministry of Defense said something stupid (although I think it was the answer to the question of your clever fellow tribesman), as for my decision (if it depended on me), there would be no talk of any military alliance or TS it didn’t work, you only need to trade with you on the condition that you will have something to pay, I don’t feel any enthusiastic feelings towards you or Azerbaijanis, only pragmatism while still wanting you to live in Russia as little as possible.
    1. xtur
      xtur 8 January 2014 02: 47
      +2
      > (although I think that this was the answer to the question of your clever fellow-tribesman),

      it wasn’t the answer, but it was mockery of common sense - pays a country that has a military base in another country, this is the most common practice
      Russia pays for its bases in Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and even for bases in Belarus, but Armenia does not want Russia to pay for bases in Armenia


      > as for my decision (if it depended on me), there would be no question of any military alliance or vehicle, you only need to trade with you, provided that you have something to pay

      I have already said that Armenia does not owe a penny to Russia, and I always paid for its debts. So, apparently, you are quite consciously casting a shadow over the wattle fence in fairly clear questions - otherwise it is impossible to qualify the behavior of a person who says something about which he has no idea
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 7 January 2014 12: 32
    +2
    And where are the Armenians on the forum ..? were like or zamusunusali ..? bully
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 7 January 2014 12: 38
      +2
      Quote: MIKHAN
      And where are the Armenians on the forum ..?

      they come in the evenings. they give light in the evenings wassat Yesterday alone until night bully
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 7 January 2014 13: 49
        +3
        Quote: smersh70
        Quote: MIKHAN
        And where are the Armenians on the forum ..?

        they come in the evenings. they give light in the evenings wassat Yesterday alone until night bully

        And in the afternoon I collect cons For Armenia .. bully heh heh .. I'm not offended the topic is very painful and cunning ..))) Someday this problem will be solved .. (I hope before all of us begin to learn the rules of life with "axes" ..)
      2. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 7 January 2014 14: 40
        +4
        SMERSH clearly works well in Azerbaijan .. bully (the lone boasted ..) bully Well done of course .. but do not overdo it ..
        1. alone
          alone 7 January 2014 22: 54
          0
          Not grabbed. And outlined what is))
          1. Vitaly Anisimov
            Vitaly Anisimov 8 January 2014 11: 29
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            Not grabbed. And outlined what is))

            Do not be shy ..))) bully The hint was outright "as if learn from us how to work .." I confirm once again you work well, but it's easier for you there ..
            1. alone
              alone 8 January 2014 18: 55
              0
              On the contrary, worse than yours, it’s difficult for us to distinguish Kharijits from ordinary people, unlike you. They don’t go to the mosque, they don’t keep a beard. Do you think it’s easy to fight in such an atmosphere?
      3. apollo
        apollo 8 January 2014 18: 12
        +2
        smersh70 do you work as an electrician, doesn’t the Armenian light give you peace? :))))
        I wonder what you’ll do when you don’t have oil, it’s not eternal
    2. xtur
      xtur 8 January 2014 02: 50
      +4
      > Where are the Armenians on the forum ..?

      on New Year's Eve, the Armenians mostly go to relatives and friends - they drink and eat. But even so, on the forum I noticed a couple of people, not counting me

      ;-)
  • tank 34
    tank 34 7 January 2014 12: 47
    0
    Armenia has only one way with Russia
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 7 January 2014 12: 49
    +1
    Everyone praises their swamp .... Already ring, but such a feeling))) .. And herons with crocodiles in its swamp will not start .. I’ll whisper to you in secret already everywhere .. (and waiting for the command ..) while we are talking. . where "it's better to croak ..) .. no offense ..
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 7 January 2014 14: 30
    +1
    And what without cons in such topics is impossible ..? (I can stand it ..) and people just write to be afraid here ... ??? This is genocide already ... bully Rude ... hi
  • individual
    individual 7 January 2014 15: 41
    +2
    To break spears about Armenia, you need to know its history:
    "Armenia is one of the most ancient states in the world, which has deep historical roots and has survived to this day.
    The name has been known since the end of the XNUMXth century. BC e. Historically, from the times of antiquity and up to the beginning of the XNUMXth century, the region inhabited by Armenians at least from the XNUMXth century was called Armenia. BC e. "
    The first ethnically Armenian state that appeared on the territory of Armenia was the kingdom of Ararat (end of the XNUMXth century BC).
    If Russia converted to Christianity in 988 then Armenia became the first country to adopt Christianity as the state religion (according to the traditional date of 301).
    "In the 1828th-1915th centuries, the three largest empires of the region waged wars for control over Armenia. The entry of Eastern Armenia into the Russian Empire in 1918 gives rise to the future revival of the Armenian statehood. Western Armenia lost its indigenous population as a result of the genocide of 1920. In May XNUMX An independent Armenian Republic was established on the territory of Russian Armenia, but in the fall of XNUMX, under pressure from the Turks, it was divided between Turkey and Soviet Russia. At that time, Armenia lost a large part of its territories: Karabakh, Nakhichevan, Igdir and Kars."
    Armenia gained independence as a result of the collapse of the USSR in 1991.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 7 January 2014 16: 25
      +3
      Quote: individ
      During that period, Armenia lost a large part of its territories: Karabakh, Nakhichevan, Igdir and Kars. "

      I don’t want to arrange as they say a new srach wassat but it painfully all its territories have Turkic names laughing
      and as for the most ancient words ... the most ancient ... the most ancient in the cube - historians of any nation can provide such links and confirmations that it won’t seem ..... however, a month ago, Hasharat and Yarbai chewed it great ... .
      but about the fact that the Armenians are Orthodox .. they are as Orthodox as I am a Buddhist smile .
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 7 January 2014 16: 42
      +5
      Quote: individ
      then Armenia became the first country to adopt Christianity as the state religion (according to the traditional date of 301).

      The Armenian king Tiridates was a vassal of the emperor Diocletian (the last torturer of Christians) and during the capture of his country by the Sassanids he was in exile in Rome. Tiridates was a vassal of the Roman emperor, who, in order to destroy Christianity, struck the last blows in the years 303-304, and therefore, 301 cannot be the year of the formation of Christianity as the state religion in Armenia. The emperor issued 4 decrees, which stated that Christians cannot hold public office. Other decrees were aimed at officially eradicating Christianity and sacrificing it to the gods of Rome. The main victim of Tiridates' policy against Christianity was "Gregory the Illuminator". The king kept him in captivity for 14 years. The liberation of Gregory became possible in 313 after the Edict of the Faith of Midan was adopted. Considering that Constantine's Edict on Tolerance in no way meant the establishment of Christianity as a state religion, but only allowed freely to profess this religion, then 313 cannot be the year of the creation of the Christian state of Armenia. Armenia was the easternmost point of the Roman Empire and for this news to reach there it took a certain time, besides, Gregory the Illuminator could not have baptized his religious enemy Tiridates in too short a time. Moreover, learning the rules of the Christian religion took a long time.
      1. valerii41
        valerii41 7 January 2014 20: 21
        +4
        Hit the point, as soon as the Armenians start meticulously asking questions, they go on insults
      2. likurg1
        likurg1 8 January 2014 21: 17
        0
        it was necessary to ask the calm John Paul II, who came to Armenia and congratulated on the 1700 anniversary of the adoption of Christianity in 2001
    3. valerii41
      valerii41 7 January 2014 20: 17
      +1
      And before 301, what nations were there?
  • Lelek
    Lelek 7 January 2014 18: 24
    +3
    In my opinion, Armenia has two options to choose from: - The EAEU or to accept Islam and become part of Turkey. Choose the Armenians. request
    1. valerii41
      valerii41 7 January 2014 18: 57
      +4
      Sir, you are deeply mistaken, every Armenian has a certificate from Noah; I don’t know how it is formulated, but they claim that they are Noah’s sons. The main mission of the Armenians is to save humanity. Jews, the chosen nation and the Most High rewarded the Jews with paupers, and the Armenians got snoopy, well there was nothing else in the pocket. If you steal this very certificate, they would print false information. Noah’s ark knows everything, but where did the Armenians shove it a secret from secrets. They won’t go to Turkey, they will talk about genocide, you need to have ears like an elephant, and besides, it’s so folding, it breaks a tear. There are so many white spots between offers, you just have to be careful, it’s better not to listen to them
      1. xtur
        xtur 8 January 2014 02: 57
        0
        > Sir, you are deeply mistaken, every Armenian has a certificate from Noah, I don’t know how it is formulated, but they claim to be the sons of Noah

        descendants, if you are referring to the opinion of Armenians about yourself - you can check on Wikipedia who accounts for Noah Torg / Fagarma (father of the ancestor of Armenians). If I am not mistaken, Bargaining is the great-great-grandson of Noah.

        So there are all the signs of envy, yes ;-)

        > the main mission of Armenians is to save humanity.

        but this is slander - Armenians only care about their religion, and their family / Sort.
        1. donchepano
          donchepano 8 January 2014 07: 16
          +2
          Dear, it turns out you have a biblical Ham relatives?
          Quote: xtur
          You can check on Wikipedia who accounts for Noah Torg / Fagarma (father of the ancestor of Armenians). If I am not mistaken, Bargaining is the great-great-grandson of Noah.
  • stranik72
    stranik72 7 January 2014 19: 04
    0
    Quote: BARKAS
    Membership without special value is in almost every union, such as value from Greece or the Baltic states in the EU.

    Compared, Greece entered there as a member of NATO in the early 80s, then the situation was different including the economic one, the Baltic states also first entered NATO and then the EU so that accession to the EU for these countries is, first of all, strengthening military union, and the geographical position of these countries is much more convenient for trade (access to the seas), including the quality of the people is somewhat different.
  • 31231
    31231 7 January 2014 19: 49
    0
    Another Azerbaijani-Armenian srach.
    1. alone
      alone 7 January 2014 19: 55
      0
      laughing this could be expected
      1. 31231
        31231 7 January 2014 20: 50
        +1
        But on the other hand, Omar, the controversy is an interesting thing, and it draws our attention.
        1. alone
          alone 7 January 2014 22: 53
          +1
          From healthy polemics Sergey hi , only you can win. And I sometimes have different thoughts with you, but this never led to undesirable consequences, although everyone remained in their opinion. And about this topic I will say this. just this time, the topic was diverted towards the Armenian-Azerbaijani srach by the Apollo forumites from Armenia. If you are careful, just before it appeared there was a very useful polemic that directly related to the topic. hi
          1. xtur
            xtur 8 January 2014 03: 05
            +2
            > And about this topic I will say this. just this time the topic was taken away by the forum member Apollo from armenia towards the Armenian-Azerbaijani srach. If you are attentive, before his appearance there was a very useful polemic that was directly related to the topic.

            full of simply insulting messages for the Armenian people, no one at all knows what is happening in the gas sector, it was only one of my messages in essence, ignored a little more than completely

            And so yes - a very fruitful discussion of the issue, in a situation where the main activists are entirely Azerbaijanis.

            Let me remind you that it was a gas issue, so what the hell out there is discussing Armenian culture, the behavior of Armenians, religion, origin - and the main experts are Azerbaijanis on all issues.

            Apolo was very careful in his comments, unlike me. just a couple of such discussions, I’ll already start to swear openly, because of this indecency, and I’ll be banned