The first Chinese carrier strike group

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On the new year, the first aircraft carrier of the Navy, the PLA "Liaoning", returned to the port of Qingdao after an 37-day voyage to the South China Sea. Yesterday, Chinese media and official Internet sites distributed photos of what might be called the prototype of the Chinese carrier strike group.

In addition to the aircraft carrier itself, the 1 destroyer 052C - Haikou, 2 destroyer 051C - Shenyang and Shijiazhuzhan, the landing helicopter-carrying dock 071 aerial dock 3 - Changbeishun, you can read the item, etc., you can see the readme item, if you are a XXUMX destroyer, you can see the destroyer 054, 2, 093, XNUMX, XNUMX destroyer, XNUMX, XNUMX, helicopter-carrying ship, dock frigate pr.XNUMXA "Yantai" and two more numbers which are not visible, XNUMX atomic submarines pr.XNUMX (such as "Shang")





















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  1. A.YARY
    +6
    6 January 2014 08: 13
    Well, if you are ashamed to learn from SyShyA, the formation and use of ACG, then at least you can learn from the Chinese.
    And for one thing to wind up on the mustache that "scatter" your aircraft carriers is worthless!
    It’s a pity, oh, what a pity that we are stepping on the same “rake” all the way. The achievements of our country are now working for foreign countries around the world.
    1. 0
      6 January 2014 08: 34
      The question is, is all this masquerade worth the candle?
      1. +2
        6 January 2014 09: 25
        In the USSR, cheap (relatively) and effective measures have been developed to combat US AUG, the question is whether we should follow their path? Carriers of a new technological level - this is the future of aircraft carriers, without a larger escort, with the possibility of being in an underwater position, etc.
        1. +1
          6 January 2014 11: 50
          ShturmKGB
          the question is, should we go along their path?

          Bravo!!! I have long been thinking about the fact that they are always trying to impose something on us, and we are trying to prove something, AUG, SOI, hypersonic weapons, and so on. Maybe enough to go with someone about it? My opinion is that our future is in the development of the depths of the oceans, but here you can’t better imagine than a nuclear submarine, preferably good ones and more. And your idea deserves attention.
          ShturmKGB
          here is the future of carrier ships, without a larger escort, with the possibility of being in an underwater position, etc.
      2. 0
        6 January 2014 15: 57
        ShturmKGB
        The question is, is all this masquerade worth the candle?


        Of course it’s worth it. This is a hint to two neighboring territories that the islands will not give any protection and advantages in the war ...
    2. +2
      6 January 2014 08: 42
      A.YARY
      ... learn ... the formation and use of ACG

      Why are you so sure that we need it? Why, if someone has something, then we also need this?
      AT THE FUCK OF A BEAR MONKEY TAIL IF IT DOESN'T CRAWL ON A PALM?
      I repeat, but at present we need the AUG, like a stoplight!
      China needs AUG, as it desperately needs EXIT INTO THE PACIFIC OCEAN, which is currently being blocked by the "fence" - Philippines - Taiwan - Japan. All of these are ISLAND states, and ALL of them are ALLIES ("six") of the United States, which at any moment, at the direction of the Americans, can run into the so-called. "territorial waters".
      А Where is OUR Pacific? Let me remind you that from the Habomai Islands to the Big Diomedes Island in the Bering Strait - the length of OUR Pacific "coast" is almost 4 thousands of kilometers!
      And to have AUG for "showdown" in the ocean is too expensive a pleasure, it is not a bill for billions - for TRILLION !!! A fleet of missile cruisers - surface and submarine - is enough for this. And what accompanies them (provides). THAN OUR NAVY AT THIS TIME DOES!
      As for China, I repeat: the Chinese remember PERFECTLY that to Beijing from the coastal area - 1300 km., From Transbaikalia - 1000, and from the territory of fraternal Mongolia - 600. And we don’t need a fleet for this, and THEIR fleet will not be able to prevent us from doing this! And you have only one thing: Grab your bags, the station is departing!
      1. A.YARY
        +4
        6 January 2014 09: 07
        Specially for you Vadim
        For me, there are such authorities as: Gorshkov Sergey Georgievich Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union. Commander-in-Chief of the Navy - Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR
        and Nikolai Gerasimovich Kuznetsov Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union
        And there is also the opinion of the General Fleet of the USSR, and the detailed naval doctrine of the USSR.

        And I think you will never be on this list. Pardon are too small for this.
        As long as the borders of Russia are washed by the seas and oceans, Russia needs a powerful fleet.
        Since the collapse of the USSR the only thing that is not lost is all those seas and oceans what the USSR had.
        Conclusion — Russia's offshore construction MUST be similar to the construction of the Soviet Navy.
        1. -2
          6 January 2014 11: 01
          A.YARY
          And I think you will never be on this list. Pardon are too small for this.

          Thank you, Andrey, but ... and you are of the same caliber.
          How did you decide that if "Russia needs a powerful fleet," then it must be an aircraft carrier strike group, and nothing else ?!
          Maybe loved by you and respected by me "such authorities as: Gorshkov Sergey Georgievich Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union. Commander-in-Chief of the Navy - Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR and Nikolai Gerasimovich Kuznetsov Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union + opinion of the General Fleet of the USSR, and detailed naval doctrine of the USSR" SURE THAT YOUthat if past real wars were TRUE genius naval commanders, even having created several aircraft carriers, never formed a single AUG (and in the USSR they spared neither money, time, nor resources, nor people to defend their homeland), then USSR they were simply not needed!
          And why are they to us then? FACTS, please, you are a naval one after all, it was me, gray-footed man, with the fleet only "cargo" went ...
          1. Beck
            +4
            6 January 2014 14: 59
            Quote: Sacmagon
            never formed a single AUG (and in the USSR they did not spare money, time, resources, or people to defend their homeland), then the USSR simply did not need them!


            That’s exactly Gorshkov at the end of 50 and beginning of 60 as the commander-in-chief of the Navy insisted on building aircraft carriers. This Khrushchev did not allow the construction of the AUG to unfold, since he, who could not see further the waves from the oar, made a bet and emphasized the Missile component. Like rockets are, so in the case of the world, they and the fire. And Khrushchev did not attach importance to that. that the World may not be. And to demonstrate their power on any distant coast, as a continuation of the policy of upholding any interests of the state, visually it is possible only with the help of the AUG, and not with five landing barges off the coast of Syria.

            Yes, and in modern times, the World War is beyond three horizons, but regional conflicts are growing and one of the dominant forces in them is the ACG.
        2. 0
          15 January 2014 11: 17
          Authorities are good, but the world is rapidly changing what used to be the norm today already causes a smile, In the age of precision weapons, it’s a fat little bug tidbit, And don’t have to drive a wave, of course, but what about admirals without a big deck, it’s somehow not prestigious, Putin before the New Year on the meeting said the main fleets of the SF and TF should have a balanced grouping of warships that will protect themselves and punish the enemy, and according to the opinion, you need to have at least three such groups on each of the fleets. This is the most important shipbuilding shipyard today luck, When it will be possible then, and think about aircraft carriers, He probably kept the advice in SOCHI not in vain, After all, plans and opportunities were checked there, Of course, it is not harmful to dream, but there are country possibilities, so far no country in the world has canceled it, and she also very severe, she never forgives mistakes, Russia does not have a UNION of opportunities much less important to sensibly dispose of, and when they say POWERFUL FLEET no one can really tell exactly what POWERFUL it is, Putin demands a balanced and everything, And the fleet made a demand and stand up for the enemy will punish l is the main thing
      2. +1
        6 January 2014 09: 36
        He is wearing a triangular hat and a gray marching coat (M. Lermontov)
        lol Emperor Samagon ha ...
      3. +2
        6 January 2014 21: 04
        Quote: Sacmagon
        The Chinese remember PERFECTLY that to us from Beijing the coast is 1300 km., from Transbaikalia - 1000, and from fraternal Mongolia - 600.

        Vadim, I'm in the Navy - how ...

        But I did not understand this phrase of yours at all. What is she saying?
        I can assure you, it makes no difference to us now how much to grab to Beijing from anywhere.
        To dabble in SV ... no one cares.
        recourse
        In Mongolia -0 troops.
        In Transbaikalia - 3 brigades.
        In Primorye - count yourself.
        request

        Just somehow differently justify your opinion about AUG.
        Something like that.
        1. 0
          6 January 2014 22: 40
          In Mongolia -0 troops.
          In Transbaikalia - 3 brigades.
          In Primorye - count yourself.

          Alexey!
          In ... - 2 army;
          .......................
          In ... - 2 army;
          ... Pacific Fleet ...
          ... Air Force and Air Defense ...
          ... units of district subordination ....
          E-mine ... and then, I’m afraid that they wouldn’t give me ears ... what
          And AUG - you know, my friend (don't you take offense? I'm after the holiday ..) some people cannot decide on the direction and take ANOTHER standards as a template .. and I try to understand myself and explain to others that on the terrain accessible to AUG, these 70-80 planes are good entertainment for my anti-aircraft gunners from Tuva, Altai, Buryatia ... starting with Igla and ending with Pantsir ...
          And the money must be spent on what is NECESSARY AT THIS MOMENT AT THIS TVD!
          Something like this ...
          1. +1
            7 January 2014 01: 48
            Quote: Sacmagon
            In ... - 2 army;
            .......................
            In ... - 2 army;

            what
            This is where and how?
            1. +1
              8 January 2014 19: 36
              Quote: Aleks tv
              This is where and how?

              I did not wait for clarification from Vadim, where did the mysterious 4 armies hide in the BBO ...
              Eheh.
              recourse
              -Maybe talking about the 36-th army in Transbaikalia?
              So I will list where 2 motorized rifle brigades and 1 tank brigade are located ... (3 reinforced regiments - earlier it was called a "lame" division, not the Army) ... And truncated.
              -And 5 divisions in Mongolia (Real Army) "the cow licked its tongue" for a long time ... he himself put tanks of the 2nd tank division on the BHViT when they left (like the 2nd, I write from memory).

              Where are the "Armies" hiding ...?
              I don’t jerk, it's just interesting.
              crying
              1. +1
                8 January 2014 19: 45
                Quote: Aleks tv
                Eheh.

                Good evening. What is sad?
                1. +1
                  8 January 2014 19: 53
                  Quote: svp67
                  What is sad?

                  Greetings, Sergey.
                  hi
                  That just service in Zabfish Вto twitch Оremembered vaguely ...
                  And here yesterday I was talking with a colleague on Skype from Krasnokamensk ...
                  I was torn by a stool to a hair dryer such a DISTRICT ... There, besides the URs, there were also royal Cossack barracks (where they should be for the defense of the Territory), now they are gone.
                  Eheh.
                  That's a little and I remember with sadness, sipping a screw (vodka no longer climbs after the holidays) ...
                  There were good times, RIGHT: hard frosts and reckless retreating SERVICE.
                  feel
                  1. Alex 241
                    +2
                    8 January 2014 20: 06
                    Well, the purpose of this building, the most prosaic-toilet, at -40 is very romantic laughing
                    our side[/ Center]
                    Lyosha, Sergey hello, here is my native airfield, or rather all that is left of it!
                    1. +1
                      8 January 2014 20: 11
                      Quote: Alex 241
                      Lyosha, Sergey hello, here is my native airfield, or rather all that is left of it!

                      Hi Sanya!

                      It is ancologic and in SV ... anthropologically.
                      1. Alex 241
                        +1
                        8 January 2014 20: 12
                        Don’t be sad, let’s break through!
                      2. +2
                        8 January 2014 20: 22
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        Here is a little and remember with sadness,
                        On such a holiday and sad ... so I join
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        Don’t be sad, let’s break through!
                        Erupt !!!!! To the evil of all enemies.
                        Salute Alex hi
                      3. Alex 241
                        +2
                        8 January 2014 20: 25
                        Hi Seryozha, my traditional!
                      4. +1
                        8 January 2014 20: 36
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        my traditional!

                        Yes

                        Sasha, Sergey -
                        but where are we going to go - of course WE WILL BROWSE !!!
                        drinks
                      5. +2
                        8 January 2014 20: 46
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        my traditional!

                        Bykov's hero is generally the ideal of a commander, even in the worst situation, he is a "fountain of optimism", otherwise it is impossible, if the commander "lowers his nose", everything is lost, so let's remember how this friendly meeting began ...
                      6. +2
                        8 January 2014 20: 49
                        Personally drinks -------
    3. +1
      6 January 2014 10: 37
      A couple of days ago I was already throwing this information and the same pictures with a link to LiveJournal Imp-navigator. It’s good that they shared it.
  2. +1
    6 January 2014 08: 17
    Let the southern Chinese seas furrow. Phillipines - scares.
    1. +1
      6 January 2014 08: 22
      Considering the far-reaching plans of the PRC, the matter will not be limited to the South China Sea. Scaring neighbors over disputed islands is the number one goal, and then somewhere in Pakistan they will draw or off the coast of Africa ...
  3. +3
    6 January 2014 08: 25
    What villains it is necessary to sell the crown of labor of tens of thousands of Soviet people at the price of metal! For a long time he was not allowed to stand under the banners of the brothers over the river! But it happened ...
  4. 0
    6 January 2014 08: 26
    Now will Chinese flags be pushed all over the islands? Or will they be too early to beware?
  5. 0
    6 January 2014 08: 29
    Soon we will learn all Chinese wink
    1. +1
      6 January 2014 08: 46
      Not soon, well, or no more than English or Spanish, but for these toys, China pays the price that the USSR paid for industrialization and collectivization. They now have more diabetics than the population of Russia. Many things boil over Chinese censorship hidden in the dark waters.
      1. 0
        6 January 2014 09: 07
        ....................... Even 130 (+/-) million people for 1.5 billion China is a runny nose! And the comparison is completely inappropriate, unlike the USSR of those years, the PRC has a lot of money ............... And roll it to China, look, ...... not even to the richest Krai -Yug-East, on average, they live better than Russians .......
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    2. StolzSS
      +2
      6 January 2014 09: 40
      Let's not be my too lazy. And our generation is no better. So the Chinese will learn our Russian faster by order of the party to indulge with the northern neighbors))) drinks
  6. Bradley
    +3
    6 January 2014 08: 29
    Well, here you can only say one thing - the Chinese are great! Now the PRC is one of not many countries that has ACG. Truncated of course, but AUG.
    1. makarov
      0
      6 January 2014 10: 26
      yes, in principle, everything is natural, they learn to manage and interact, no matter how they haven’t fought for 150 years at sea
  7. 0
    6 January 2014 08: 36
    Let the youngest scare.
    1. 0
      6 January 2014 09: 32
      HA, Kitas, minus set. ))) I didn’t scare. I wonder how many of you are on the site?
  8. +1
    6 January 2014 08: 43
    from the Don.
    And yet, China does not lose money and time down the drain!
  9. 0
    6 January 2014 08: 43
    Well, you won’t scare Russia with this ... but you need to prepare for everything!
  10. vladsolo56
    +1
    6 January 2014 08: 45
    The creation of such AUGs for China is still unknown how it will turn out, because it’s not enough to build, it’s still necessary to maintain and modernize, and this means many times higher than the construction costs. The Chinese economy is not so stable as to be enthralled with such a large scale by the ACG, except for general reform and rearmament of the entire army.
  11. +1
    6 January 2014 08: 55
    Well, that is, China where to go and whom to frighten with their AUG. They, unlike us, do not sing that they are not aggressors. So it’s not worth crying here. We would have had this aircraft carrier cut long ago for needles, and there it will serve at least for its intended purpose.
  12. -2
    6 January 2014 09: 13
    It turned out beautifully, the power is felt, although Chinese. But there are no AWACS aircraft, a short-sighted AUG.
    1. +2
      6 January 2014 10: 53
      They have application tactics to increase the combat stability of ship groups. At the same time, they plan to act in areas one way or another close to China - that is, KJ-2000 can be applied.
  13. Beck
    -2
    6 January 2014 10: 38
    Yeah!

    China, as much as it would not be desirable, in all directions of development is taking seven leaps and bounds. It does not curse the Jewish-Masons, the "decaying" West, the conspiracies of Walstreet, and aliens. He does not shout that the entire environment of China only wants to destroy the Celestial Empire. She does not recall her historical cataclysms with crying anguish. Does not call for fencing off and living with a Chinese house building in fanzas.

    China over the past 40 years, not fooling about its own (it would have been true to develop its own one hundred years), TAKE and will take all the advanced technologies in the world, the best management methods, the best examples. And on their basis, modifying its own, in 10-15 years, China will be on a par with the United States. And in about 15-20 years, it will certainly become a world leader, replacing the amers at this place.

    And it will have to admit, sadly, but admit. And for Uroshniks, that light, that rain, that kick in the ass, that brick in the forehead. For them, nothing will change in their pseudo-patriotic nightmare, MAIN FIND FAULT SUCCESSFUL whoever he is. They chorus to switch from the USA to China.

    Just as they are now vilifying the liberalistic West, the crappy USA, they will blame China for all of Russia's troubles. They say the narrow-eyed, yellow-faced nationalized the Chinese Eastern Railway, took our Port Arthur and Mukden, seized the islands on the Ussuri, bought our aircraft carrier, and therefore became world leaders. And in order to lower China, all this, "native", must be turned around. In general, the philosophy of China was developed by Confucius of Slavic blood.

    And it will be all the same as now, instead of adopting all the best from the world and working hard, it’s easier to hang up labels and let all the dogs go.
    1. +1
      6 January 2014 12: 25
      Are you in trouble? Your comment is similar to the joyful attempts of an inveterate Russophobe ... "Oh, these Russians, poor Kazakhstan used as a colony ..." Yes, Beck?
      1. Beck
        -4
        6 January 2014 14: 42
        Quote: DucksWar
        Are you in trouble? Your comment is similar to the joyful attempts of an inveterate Russophobe ... "Oh, these Russians, poor Kazakhstan used as a colony ..." Yes, Beck?


        The Russian Empire, like all empires, used the conquered and annexed territories as colonies. Or you will deny the colonial era of humanity. But the essence of my comment was not that, you are pulling your conjectures on the topic like a rut ... it is on your head. It hurt you, only that I added to the growing power of China, the barking for successful. And it hurt because you yourself from that galaxy of Uroshniks who could not look at the World objectively, but only through glasses of your own greatness. This is your head problem, lubricate it with oil, it will be easier to pull.

        I sadly said that China is becoming a world leader instead of the United States, not the Eurasian Union of the CIS countries. And the fact that instead of adopting all the best in the world and is working hard, Urashniki will switch their mind to China.

        What else do you think up, leave it to yourself, I do not intend to lose time on your pull-ups.
        1. 0
          26 January 2014 11: 42
          First, learn to communicate with people, moderate the ardor and stop spraying with saliva. If Kazakhstan were in the place of Russia and vice versa, you would become the one you condemn. And this is normal, we can say a biological phenomenon when the male protects and expands his possessions, I show a certain fraction of arrogance, pride, selfishness, etc.

          I will not deny the colonial era of mankind, especially since it is still ongoing, but in a slightly different form.
          The Russian Empire, like all empires, used the conquered and annexed territories as colonies.

          Here the key word is won, did Kazakhs and Russians fight against each other? Accession of Kazakhstan took place in a different way. And I somehow more like to realize and feel the Kazakhs as a close friendly people, with whom Russians have been connecting us for centuries. And the path of growth and formation we walked together, one country. But for some reason, many Kazakhs, on this site in particular, avoid this, I don’t know why. So I decided to pin you up, it’s not in vain.

          Let's go back to China. Which has indeed already become the main geopolitical rival of the United States. However, there is a lot to be done to become a leader. And not the fact that it will work! In this respect, I do not even argue with you, because it is stupid. So to swear all Russians "urashniki" and look for a reason to poke it, I consider it childish, or if you want trolling.
  14. +1
    6 January 2014 10: 49
    The Hindus literally four days later answered their own!
  15. 0
    6 January 2014 11: 06
    China proves that its words are directly proportional to actions.
  16. kelevra
    +2
    6 January 2014 11: 23
    China has great views on many regions of the world, both in terms of economy and the military. Therefore, it is clear that they need such a fleet. They are now integrating with Africa, for this they need a powerful and mobile fleet, so they are building it.
  17. +2
    6 January 2014 16: 36
    The photos are spectacular, the Chinese are able to take such an angle so that everything is bigger and more impressive than it really is. And how all this will work in practice, wait and see.
  18. +1
    8 January 2014 22: 34
    But what is really interesting is how they go. Now, if you remember the photo of our "Kuznetsov" (and I personally saw him at sea), then everyone can see the smoke from the chimneys. Yes, and other ships often pass by with the same view and you can see them far away. But the Chinese have no such problems. Either the fuel is better, or the cars are in better condition. It is clear that when there is a smoke locator it is nonsense. But about the state of the mechanisms - this can already be said right away.
    1. 0
      8 January 2014 23: 06
      Maybe ours on fuel oil IFO-380 go because of poverty, and the Chinese on clean IFO-30/40? :))))

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