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War Svyatoslav with Byzantium. Battle for Preslav and the heroic defense of Dorostol

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Second war with Byzantium


The first stage of the war with the Byzantine Empire ended for Prince Svyatoslav Igorevich with a victory. Constantinople had to pay tribute and agree with the consolidation of Russian positions in the Danube. Constantinople resumed paying the annual tribute to Kiev. Svyatoslav was satisfied with the success achieved and released the allied forces of the Pechenegs and the Hungarians. Russian troops were mainly located at Dorostol. New war was not expected in the near future, nobody guarded the mountain passes.

However, in Constantinople were not going to adhere to the world. The Romes regarded the peace agreement only as a respite, a military ruse that allowed them to put down the vigilance of the enemy, to mobilize all forces. The Greeks acted according to their old principle: got peace - get ready for war. This tactic of the Byzantine Empire was formulated by its commander XI Kekavmen in his work “Strategicon”. He wrote: “If the enemy slips away from you day by day, promising to either make peace or pay tribute, know that he is waiting for help from somewhere or wants to fool you. If the enemy sends you gifts and offerings, if you want, take them, but know that he does this not out of love for you, but wanting to buy your blood for this. ” The numerous truces and worlds concluded by Constantinople with the surrounding states and peoples, paying tribute and contributions to them were often needed only to gain time, outwit the enemy, deceive him, and then deliver a sudden blow.

The stay of the Rus on the Danube and, most importantly, the alliance of Bulgaria with Russia, completely contradicted the strategy of Byzantium. The union of the two Slavic powers was very dangerous for Byzantium and could lead to the loss of the Balkan possessions. The Byzantine Emperor John Tzimiskes was actively preparing for a new war. From Asian provinces, troops were being pulled. Military exercises were held near the walls of the capital. Food and equipment were prepared. Prepared for the campaign fleet, about 300 ships in total. In March 971, John I Tzimiskes held a review fleet, which was armed with "Greek fire." The fleet had to block the mouth of the Danube in order to suppress the actions of the Russian rook flotilla.

Battle for Preslav

In the spring, the basil together with the guard ("immortal") set out on a campaign. The main forces of the Byzantine army were already concentrated in Adrianople. Having learned that the mountain passages were free, John decided to strike at the Bulgarian capital, and then crush Svyatoslav. Thus, the Byzantine army had to break the enemy's troops in parts, not allowing them to unite. In the forefront was a phalanx of warriors, completely enclosed in shells ("immortal"), followed by 15 thousands of selected infantry and 13 thousand horsemen. The rest of the troops were commanded by Vasily Proedr, he was walking with a wagon train, carrying siege and other vehicles. Despite the commanders' fears, the troops passed the mountains easily and without resistance. 12 April Byzantine troops approached Preslav.

Tsar Boris, his court, Kalokir and the Russian detachment under Sfenkel were in the Bulgarian capital. Leo Deacon calls him "the third deserved after Sfendoslav" (the second was Ikmor). In another Byzantine chronicler, John Skilitsa, he is also named after Svangel and was considered the “second highest”. Some researchers identify Sfenkel with Sveneld. But Sveneld survived this war, and Sfenkel fell in battle. Despite the unexpected appearance of the enemy, the Tavroskifs lined up in battle order and hit the Greeks. Initially, neither side could take up, only the flank attack of the "immortals" turned the tide. Ruses moved behind the city walls. The first assault on the garrison of Preslav beat off. The remaining forces and siege vehicles approached the Roma. At night, Preslavi fled to Dorostol Kalokir. In the morning, the assault was resumed. Russ and Bulgarians fiercely defended, throwing spears, darts and stones from the walls. Romans fired at the walls with the help of stone-throwing machines, threw pots with "Greek fire" into the city. The defenders suffered great losses, but held. However, the preponderance of forces was clearly on the side of the Greeks, and they were able to take external fortifications.

The remnants of the Russian-Bulgarian forces entrenched in the royal palace. The Romans broke into the city, killing and robbing the inhabitants. The royal treasury was plundered as well, which was safe and sound during the stay of the Rus in the city. At the same time Bulgarian Tsar Boris was captured with his children and his wife. John I Tzimiskh hypocritically declared to him that he had come "to avenge the ministers (as the Bulgarians called the Bulgarians), who had suffered terrible disasters from the Scythians."

Russian troops, who defended the palace, repulsed the first assault, the Romans suffered heavy losses. Upon learning of this failure, the basil ordered his guard to attack the Rus with all their might. However, seeing that an offensive in the narrow aisle of the gate would cause great losses, he recalled the troops and ordered the palace set on fire. When a strong flame broke out, the remaining troops of the Rus went out into the open and went on the last violent attack. The Emperor sent Master Ward Skleer against them. The Romean phalanx surrounded the Rus. As even Leo the Deacon, who wrote about the thousands of killed "Scythians" and the few Greeks, noted, "the dew desperately resisted, not showing the enemies of the back," but were doomed. Only Sfenkel, with the remnants of his squad, was able to cut through the enemy ranks and left for Dorostol. The remaining warriors bound the enemy with battle and died the death of the brave. In the same battle, many Bulgarians fell to the last who fought on the Rus side.

War Svyatoslav with Byzantium. Battle for Preslav and the heroic defense of Dorostol

Greeks storming Preslav. From siege guns shown kamnemet. Miniature from the chronicles of John Skilitsa.

Defense Dorostola

After leaving Preslava, basil left a sufficient garrison there, the fortifications were restored. The city was renamed John. Began a period of occupation of Bulgaria by Byzantine troops. After some time, the emperor at the solemn ceremony will deprive Tsar Boris of royal regalia, and eastern Bulgaria will come under the direct control of Constantinople. The Greeks wanted to completely eliminate the Bulgarian kingdom, but Byzantium could not subjugate the western part of Bulgaria, where an independent state was formed. In order to lure the Bulgarians to his side and destroy the Bulgarian-Russian alliance, Tzimisces in the ruined and plundered Preslav announced that he was fighting not with Bulgaria, but with Russia, and he wanted to avenge the offenses inflicted by Svyatoslav Bulgaria. It was a monstrous lie common to the Byzantines. The Greeks actively fought the “information war”, declaring black as white and white as black, rewriting history in their favor.

On April 17, the Byzantine army marched swiftly toward Dorostol. Emperor John I Tzimiskes sent several captives to Prince Svyatoslav with a demand to lay down weapon, surrender to the winners and, asking for forgiveness "for their audacity", immediately retire from Bulgaria. The cities between Preslavoy and Dorostol, in which there were no Russian garrisons, capitulated without a fight. Bulgarian feudal lords joined Tzimiskes. The Romans marched through Bulgaria as invaders, occupied cities and fortresses the emperor gave to the soldiers for plunder. John Kurcuas distinguished himself in the plunder of Christian churches.


The Byzantine Emperor John Tzimisches returned to Constantinople after the victory over the Bulgarians.

Svyatoslav Igorevich was in a difficult situation. The enemy was able to deliver a sudden and treacherous blow. Bulgaria was largely occupied and could not put out significant forces to fight the invaders. The allies were released, so Svyatoslav had few cavalry. Until now, Svyatoslav Igorevich himself attacked, owned a strategic initiative. Now he had to keep the defense, and even in a situation where all the trumps had the enemy. However, Prince Svyatoslav was not one of those who surrendered to the mercy of fate. He decided to experience happiness in a decisive battle, hoping with a fierce onslaught to break the enemy and in one favor turn the tide in his own favor.

Leo Deacon reports on 60-th. army rusov. He is clearly lying. The Russian chronicle reports that Svyatoslav had only 10 thousand soldiers, which is probably closer to the truth, given the outcome of the war. In addition, the Rus supported a number of Bulgarians. With 60-thousand Svyatoslav army would have reached Constantinople. In addition, Leo Deacon said that the Romans killed 15-16 thousand "Scythians" in the battle for Preslav. But here too we see a great exaggeration. Such an army would be able to hold out until the approach of the main forces of Svyatoslav. In Preslav there was a small detachment that could not provide a dense defense of the fortifications of the Bulgarian capital. It is enough to compare the defense of Preslav and Dorostol. Having in Dorostol, apparently, about 20 thousand soldiers, Svyatoslav gave the enemy battles and lasted three months. If there were about 15 thousand soldiers in Preslav, they would also have held out for at least a month. It is also necessary to take into account that the army of Svyatoslav was constantly decreasing. The Hungarian and Pecheneg allies did not have time to come to his aid. And Russia, according to the Russian prince himself, "is far, and the neighboring barbarian peoples, fearing the Romans, did not agree to help them." The Byzantine army had the opportunity to constantly replenish, it was well supplied with food and fodder. It could strengthen the crews of ships.

23 April Byzantine army approached Dorostol. Before the city stretched plain, convenient for battle. Ahead of the army were strong patrols that examined the area. The Greeks were afraid of ambushes, which the Slavs were famous for. However, the Romans lost the first battle, one of their troops was ambushed and completely destroyed. When the Byzantine army reached the city, the Ruses built a “wall” and made it for the battleship. Svyatoslav knew that the strike force of the Byzantine army was a heavily armed cavalry. He opposed her to a dense infantry formation: Rusichi closed their shields and bristled with spears. The emperor also built infantry in the phalanx, he located the archers and the slingers behind, the cavalry on the flanks.

The warriors of the two armies agreed hand to hand, a fierce battle ensued. Both sides have long fought with the same tenacity. Svyatoslav fought with his warriors. Leading the battle from the nearest hill, Zimisy sent his best warriors to break through to the Russian leader and kill him. But they were all killed either by Svyatoslav himself or by the soldiers of his close squad. “The dews, who gained fame among the neighboring nations as constant winners in the battles,” beat off the onslaught of the Romaan hoplites over and over again. The Romans, on the other hand, "overcame shame and anger" for the fact that they, experienced warriors, could retreat like novices. Therefore, both troops “fought with unsurpassed courage; The dews, which were led by their innate atrocities and rabies, rushed in a fierce rush, roaring like obsessed, at the Romans (Leo the Deacon tries to belittle the “barbarians”, but actually describes the element of the fighting psychotechnics of the Rus. - Comment of the author), and the Romans advanced, using my experience and military art. "

The battle went with varying success until the evening. Romans could not realize their numerical advantage. Towards evening, Basileus gathered the cavalry into a fist and threw it into the attack. However, this attack was not crowned with success. To break the system of the Russian infantry romeyskie "knights" could not. After that, Svyatoslav Igorevich took the troops outside the walls. The battle ended without the decisive success of the Romans or the Russians. Svyatoslav could not defeat the enemy in a decisive battle, and the Romans could not realize their advantage in numbers and cavalry.

The siege of the fortress began. The Greeks near Dorostol built a fortified camp on a hill. They dug a moat around the hill, built a rampart, and reinforced it with a palisade. 24 April, the troops exchanged fire with bows, slings and metal cannons. At the end of the day, a Russian cavalry squad left the gates. Leo the Deacon in "History" contradicts himself. He argued that the Ruses did not know how to fight in a horse formation. The cataphracts (heavy cavalry) attacked the Rus, but did not succeed. After a hot fight, the parties diverged.

On the same day, the Byzantine fleet approached Dorostol from the side of the Danube and blocked the fortress (according to other data, it arrived on April 25 or April 28). However, the Ruses were able to save their rooks, they carried them to the walls in their hands, under the protection of the shooters. The Romans did not dare to go on the attack along the river bank and burn or destroy the Russian ships. The situation for the garrison of the fortress deteriorated, the Romanian ships blocked the river so that the Rus could not retreat along the river. The supply of troops with provisions has sharply narrowed.

26 April was the second significant battle of Dorostol. Prince Svyatoslav Igorevich again led the troops into the field and imposed a battle on the enemy. Both sides fought fiercely, alternately crushing each other. On this day, according to Leo the Deacon, valiant, the great growth of voivode Sfenkel fell. According to the Deacon, after the death of his hero, the Ruses retreated to the city. However, according to the Byzantine historian George Kedrin, the Russian soldiers retained the battlefield and stayed on it all night from 26 to 27 of April. Only by noon, when Zimiskhiy unfolded all his forces, the Russian soldiers quietly turned down the line and left for the city.

On April 28, a Byzantine wagon train with metal cars approached the fort. Romei masters began to build numerous cars, ballista, catapults, throwing stones, pots with "Greek fire", logs, huge arrows. The shelling of missile vehicles caused huge losses among the defenders of the fortresses, suppressing their morale, as they could not answer. Basilevs wanted to move the cars to the walls. However, the Russian commander was able to preempt the enemy. On the night of April 29, the Russian soldiers dug a deep and wide ditch away from the fortress so that the enemy could not come close to the walls and install siege machines. Both sides had a hot exchange of fire on that day, but they did not achieve any noticeable results.

Svyatoslav with his ideas spoiled a lot of blood to the enemy. On the same night, the Rusam succeeded in yet another undertaking. Taking advantage of the darkness, the Russian warriors on the boats, unnoticed by the enemy, marched through shallow water between the coast and the enemy fleet. They obtained food for the troops and, on their way back, dispersed a detachment of Byzantine foragers and hit the enemy carts. In the nightly massacre many Byzantines were killed.

The siege of the fortress dragged on. Neither Tsimishy nor Svyatoslav could achieve decisive success. Svyatoslav could not in a series of battles to break the Byzantine army, which was a first-class combat vehicle. Affected by the lack of soldiers and the almost complete absence of cavalry. Tsimiskhiy failed to defeat the Russian army, forcing Svyatoslav to capitulate in the face of superior forces.

Leo Deacon noted the highest morale of Svyatoslav’s troops throughout the siege of Dorostol. The Greeks were able to overcome the moat and bring their cars to the fortress. Russ suffered great losses. Thousands of people lost and the Greeks. And yet Dorostol held on. The Greeks found among the dead Russes and Bulgarians, who fought with the soldiers of Svyatoslav, women. “Polyanitsy” (women heroes, heroines of the Russian epos) fought on a par with men, did not surrender, took down all the difficulties and food shortages. This ancient Scythian-Russian tradition of women's participation in wars will continue until the 20th century, until World War II. Russian women together with men met the enemy and fought with him to the last. The soldiers of Svyatoslav performed miracles of fortitude and heroism, defending the city for three months. Byzantine chroniclers also noted the custom of the Rus not to surrender to the enemy even to the vanquished. They preferred to kill themselves, rather than to be captured or to let themselves be slaughtered like cattle in a slaughterhouse.

The Byzantines increased their watch, dug up all roads and paths with deep ditches. With the help of battering and throwing guns, the Greeks destroyed the fortifications of the city. The garrison remed, there were many wounded. The big problem was hunger. However, the situation was difficult not only for the Russians, but also for the Romans. John I Tzimiskes could not escape Dorostol, since this would be a recognition of military defeat, and he could lose the throne. While he was besieging Dorostol, there were constantly riots in the empire, intrigues and conspiracies arose. So, the brother of the murdered emperor Nikifor Foki Lev Kuropalat revolted. The attempted coup failed, but the situation was alarming. Tzimiskes was absent for a long time in Constantinople and could not keep abreast of the empire.

This and decided to use Svyatoslav. The Russian commander decided to give the enemy a new battle with the goal of if not smashing the enemy, then forcing him to negotiate, showing that the Russian army, who was under siege, is still strong and able to hold on in the fortress for a long time. At noon on July 19, Russian troops delivered an unexpected blow to the Roma. The Greeks at this time slept after a hearty lunch. The Ruses chopped up and burned many catapults and a ballist. In this fight the relative of the emperor was killed - the master John Curcuas.

The next day, the Russian warriors again went beyond the walls, but by large forces. The Greeks lined up a "thick phalanx." Began a fierce battle. In this battle, one of the closest associates of the great Russian prince Svyatoslav - voivode Ikmor fell. Lev the Deacon said that Ikmor was distinguished among the Scythians by gigantic growth, and with his squad he struck many Romans. He was killed by one of the emperor’s bodyguards, Anemas. The death of one of the leaders, and even on the Day of Perun, caused confusion in the ranks of the soldiers, the army retreated beyond the walls of the city.

Leo Deacon noted the unity of the funeral customs of the Scythians and Rus. He reported on the Scythian origin of Achilles. According to him, Akhille’s clothing, appearance, habits and character (“extravagant irritability and cruelty”) spoke about this. Modern L. Diakonu Ruses - "Tauroskifs" - preserved these traditions. The Ruses are "reckless, courageous, warlike and powerful, they attack all the neighboring tribes."

21 July Prince Svyatoslav gathered military council. The prince asked his men what to do. Some offered to leave immediately, plunging into rooks at night, since it was impossible to continue the war, losing the best warriors. Others offered to make peace with the Romans, since it would not be easy to hide the departure of a whole army, and the Greek fire-extinguishing ships could burn the Russian flotilla. Then the Russian prince took a deep breath and exclaimed bitterly: “The glory perished, which followed the army of the Rus, who easily defeated the neighboring peoples and enslaved whole countries without bloodshed, if we now shamefully retreat before the Romans. So, let’s feel the courage that our ancestors have bequeathed to us, remember that the power of the Rus was still indestructible, and we will fight bitterly for our lives. It is not for us to return to our homeland, fleeing; we must either win and stay alive, or die with glory, having accomplished feats worthy of valiant men! ” According to Leo the Deacon, the warriors were inspired by these words and happily decided to enter into a decisive battle with the Romans.

22 July was the last decisive battle of Dorostol. In the morning the Rusa went beyond the walls. Svyatoslav ordered to close the gate, so that even the thought would not go back. The Rus themselves struck the enemy and began to fiercely crush the Romans. Seeing the kind of enthusiasm the prince Svyatoslav was calling out, who was cutting through the enemy ranks as a simple warrior, Anemas decided to kill Svyatoslav. He took the lead on the horse and struck a good blow at Svyatoslav, but he was saved by a strong chainmail. Anemas was immediately struck down by Russian warriors.

The Rus continued the attack, and the Romans, unable to withstand the onslaught of the “barbarians,” began to retreat. Seeing that the Byzantine phalanx could not stand the battle, Tzimiskes personally led the “immortals” guard to the counterattack. At the same time, heavy cavalry units struck the Russian flank with heavy blows. This somewhat straightened the situation, but the Rus continued the offensive. Their onslaught, Leo Deacon, calls "monstrous." Both sides suffered heavy losses, but the bloody slashing continued. The battle stopped in unexpected ways. Heavy clouds hung over the city. A strong thunderstorm began, heavy wind, raising clouds of sand, hit in the face of Russian soldiers. Then a heavy rain poured. Russian troops had to hide behind the walls of the city. The Greeks attributed the violence of the elements to divine intercession.


Vladimir Kireev. "Prince Svyatoslav"

Peaceful agreement

In the morning, Svyatoslav, who was wounded in this battle, offered Tzimiskes to make peace. Basileus, struck by the preceding battle and wanting to end the war as soon as possible and return to Constantinople, willingly accepted this offer. Both commanders met on the Danube and agreed on peace. Romans freely allowed the soldiers of Svyatoslav, gave them bread on the road. Svyatoslav agreed to leave the Danube. Dorostol (the Romans called him Theodoropol) the Ruses left. The Greeks passed all the prisoners. Russia and Byzantium returned to the norms of contracts 907-944 g. According to Greek authors, the parties agreed to consider themselves "friends." This meant that conditions were being restored for Constantinople to pay tribute to Kiev. This is stated in the Russian chronicle. In addition, Zimiskhiy had to send ambassadors to friendly Pechenegs so that they would not obstruct the Russian troops.

Thus, Svyatoslav escaped military defeat, the world was honorable. The prince planned to continue the war. According to the "Tale of Bygone Years," the prince said: "According to Rus, I will bring Bole squads."

To be continued ...
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  1. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 9 January 2014 09: 50
    +7
    The main accomplishment of Svyatoslav in world history is the destruction of the Khazars, which delayed vasity from the loan of literally all countries and peoples. A campaign against Byzantium showed the importance of missionary work in Russia and accelerated our adoption of Orthodoxy.
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 January 2014 11: 55
      +3
      Quote: FC Skif
      The main accomplishment of Svyatoslav in world history is the destruction of the Khazars,
      And also, the fact that he managed to unite many kindred Slavic tribes ...
    2. Uhe
      Uhe 9 January 2014 13: 38
      +2
      Yes, no one accepted Orthodoxy, except for a thousand glades under the pressure of the Khazar Vladimir;) Then there was a civil war for a hundred years, after which the Church had to come to terms with the reluctance of the Eastern Slavs to become Christians, so they made concessions, including many attributes of paganism and creating dual faith. Yes, and adopted Orthodoxy of the Arian form;) Modern priests will have enough blow if they remember that Vladimir was taught that God the father, the son and the holy spirit are different essences, different gods, and not a single whole;) Arianism is long time was the main Christianity in Russia, obsessed with dual faith, which is still strong among Russian Christians. However, the princes slaughtered the pagans for a long time, especially the Vyatichi, whose descendants the majority of Russians are. Here the princes adopted Christianity. Read what this led to - to fratricides, discord, constant strife and the surrender of Russia to the Mongols, who were brought to Russia by the same Byzantium. Byzantium never recognized Russia as Christian, still considering it a barbaric country subject to destruction. However, it is better to be "barbarians", like our ancestors of the times of Svyatoslav the Brave, than what the Greeks were and remain.

      Svyatoslav, by the way, drove out the German bishop from Russia, whom Olga invited here, giving Russia to the Germans;)

      In general, please read Froyanov's "The Formation of Christianity in Russia" so as not to repeat from time to time nonsense about the magnificence and inevitability of the adoption of Christianity. And then read Prozorov's "Svyatoslav". Christianity was instilled by the Slavs with blood, which led to devastating consequences for the Russian state - the loss of almost a third of the settlements in a hundred years after "baptism" (an archaeological fact), the beginning of fratricidal wars, the division of the state into appanage principalities, invasions of nomads previously subordinate to the Russians, the result is surrender Rus to Mongols. Under the Mongols, Russia became en masse Christian, since the Magi were destroyed by the Mongols.

      In general, Fronov, Prozorov for a start.
      1. Pancho
        Pancho 9 January 2014 19: 06
        +2
        Quote: Uhe
        pressure of Khazarin Vladimir

        And his dad Svyatoslav is Russian, how is it?
        Quote: Uhe
        it is better to be "barbarians", like our ancestors of the times of Svyatoslav the Brave, than what the Greeks were and remain.

        It's better for you. You don't need to paint for everyone. The whole world learned from the Greeks. Almost all the sciences are from there. In Constantinople there were hydraulic lifts in houses, the longest aqueduct was built at more than 600 kilometers. Finally, the system of primary, secondary and higher education was also formed there. And what could the Greeks want from conquering Russia? Oil, and most importantly gas? It's funny. And what did Svyatoslav do thousands of kilometers from his capital? Did the Slavs unite? Well, how, we still unite. And the Bulgarians many times "thanked" Russia for blood shed for them. History does not need to be studied from the film "Primordial Rus", where a guy and a girl run through the lugu. Why don't you remember the bloody sacrifices of Perun?
        1. Petrol
          Petrol 9 January 2014 19: 34
          +2
          Oh YOU have a worthy student of Lunacharsky .... please answer this question - How would your parents react if you cut someone's throat in their presence ????? (this is about the bloody sacrifices of Perun) PERUN is a set of physical laws that determine the harmony of the motion of matter or its circulation or, more simply, the path of movement of the essence of our genera ....
          1. Pancho
            Pancho 9 January 2014 22: 29
            0
            Firstly, I ask you not to poke, we didn’t graze geese together. It is customary for us, Russians, to address unfamiliar people with “you.” Secondly, I did not understand anything from your stream of consciousness, in which a few words from the Greek language are written in Greek letters, look for enemies in the wrong place. People say: “There is nothing to blame on the mirror if the face is crooked.” PS Lunacharsky has not read a single letter and I don’t even know if he has works on history. I recognize other historians and advise you: Klyuchevsky , Kostomarov, Soloviev, Karamzin.
            1. Petrol
              Petrol 10 January 2014 11: 45
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              no offence! here ... you see ... you live on Slovenian land and you didn’t notice the catch ..)))))))) if you knew what the difference is from you, I think the answer would be different .... good luck to YOU ​​in life and most importantly HEALTH! ))))
              1. Pancho
                Pancho 10 January 2014 21: 37
                +1
                I live where I live. It is completely to you to use tricks in writing. Write directly, without any equivocation, and then you will be understood. What is different I know. Russian is my native language. And all the best to you.
        2. Bagatur
          Bagatur 9 January 2014 22: 52
          +3
          And what did Svyatoslav do thousands of kilometers from his capital? Did the Slavs unite? Well, how, we are still uniting. And the Bulgarians many times "thanked" Russia for the blood shed for them.

          Svetoslav is not the one to whom we owe respect! He came as a thief and invader, an ally of Byzantium ... He ruined Bulgarian cities, chopped up peaceful people ... After his departure, most of Bulgaria fell under Byzantine rule! Thanks for this?
          1. Vice president
            Vice president 10 January 2014 09: 10
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            As the saying goes: There is nothing to blame for the mirror, since the mug is crooked! This was how it was necessary to descend, so that an incomprehensible territorial formation remained from the heritage of Simeon the Terrible, for the capture of which one successful raid was enough !! But in essence: do not think in terms of the modern world! You didn’t live there, you don’t know anything!
        3. Cossack23
          Cossack23 9 January 2014 23: 10
          +1
          Pancho read the story we never had human sacrifices. We are therefore Slavs that we praise God, and do not ask. And do not write nonsense anymore your nonsense to read sickly, the most important resource of that time was the spirit, and with us it was not shaken. Well, such a flock for the faint-hearted Pharisees selling everything and everyone. Imagine people who, for God's sake, are ready for death, even the apostles could not afford, and then the mighty people. They did their vile deed, our ancestors became God's servants, and now we live on someone else's land and call ourselves proudly-CHRISTIANS.
          1. Pancho
            Pancho 11 January 2014 21: 59
            +1
            Quote: Cossack23
            Pancho read the story we never had human sacrifices. We are therefore Slavs that we praise God, and do not ask

            I look at this guy with education, too, at C grade, do you poke horseradish for me, a Cossack from the 23rd region. If you remove Orthodoxy from the history of Russia and Russia, what will remain? Is this your nonsense to be ashamed to even read
            Quote: Cossack23
            Imagine people who, for God's sake, are ready for death, even the apostles could not afford

            Well, you can’t be such an ignoramus, ALL Christian apostles received martyrdom.
            Quote: Cossack23
            They did their vile deed, our ancestors became God's servants, and now we live on someone else's land and call ourselves proudly-CHRISTIANS.

            And what is this all about? And not Christians, but CHRISTIANS. Please express yourself in Russian, and do not indulge in your own way.
            1. Cossack23
              Cossack23 12 January 2014 18: 27
              +1
              You, you are not upbringing, this knowledge of history and the education of the language, read about it and you will understand that "you" sounds more like an insult, but since you are not friends with history and you started it with baptism, it will be very painful to realize although I confess I was also uncomfortable, since I grew up in a family of a believer and at a church, I listened to the scriptures from an early age and I will tell you with exact certainty that all the apostles renounced Christ before the crucifixion, but they could have saved and they took a martyr's death on much later after the resurrection, apparently in the form of retribution. Well, at the expense of Christians, I specifically emphasized its illiterate pronunciation and this has nothing to do with Balakshchina, but the most direct thing to the illiteracy of the bulk of the people is that the herd must be controlled and religion is the most ideal tool, but only with the arrival of the Romanovs and the destruction The old faith at the helm of the Russians no longer exists. I believe in God, the One - it is impossible to live without faith, but Christian mediation hurts my pocket, so somehow I'll create a prayer myself. This is not what our glorious ancestors wanted when they adopted Orthodoxy, read the works written under Ivan the Terrible and you will understand what true Orthodoxy really is and how it fundamentally differs from the entire Christian world precisely in the purity of faith and relationships. Dirty pagans are ready to kill each other on the altar is unlikely to ever succeed - take the English as an example. With respect and apologies.
              1. Pancho
                Pancho 13 January 2014 20: 48
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                Quote: Cossack23
                but Christian mediation hurts affordably

                Yes, stop talking to the church. No one in my church extorted money when I wanted to give it, the priest didn’t stand with a gun at my temple. You don’t want to and don’t pay, they will do without you.
                1. Cossack23
                  Cossack23 13 January 2014 21: 27
                  0
                  any sacrament costs money. my father-in-law died before the new year, I know the prices and I don’t see anything Orthodox
                  1. Pancho
                    Pancho 14 January 2014 22: 03
                    0
                    Well, what should the Church live on? The same old priests pay pensions. Their work is hard.
            2. andrew42
              andrew42 4 May 2021 16: 46
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              Pancho, don't be so offended. Gasoline and Kazak23 write to you, though rude, but true. It's just that you are in your mental space, based on the knowledge you previously understood about the role and place of Christianity in Holy Russia. I was there myself, in such a cocoon, and it hurts when it breaks and falls out. As for Orthodoxy, this is a stolen name sewn to the Christian church much later, during the time of the Moscow Patriarchate. Even under Nikon, it was "the RIGHT-FAITH Christianity." And Rule and Glory are the concepts of the Pre-Christian Vedic religion - "Glorification of Rule". Even the modern Russian language is really enough here to think and understand.
        4. kavkaz8888
          kavkaz8888 10 January 2014 00: 04
          +2
          Pancho
          "And his dad Svyatoslav is Russian, how is that?"
          The "Khazars" are related by their mother, if that.

          "I recognize other historians and advise you: Klyuchevsky, Kostomarov, Soloviev, Karamzin. & Qu
          ot;
          There are no questions, uncle authoritative her E. Bayer, Miller and Shletser do not forget.
          1. Pancho
            Pancho 11 January 2014 22: 03
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            If anything, then Vladimir’s mother was Malusha, a Russian servant.
            Quote: kavkaz8888
            There are no questions, uncle authoritative her E. Bayer, Miller and Shletser do not forget

            And who is this? And do not abuse the letter "e".
      2. Cossack23
        Cossack23 9 January 2014 22: 58
        +1
        I’ll tell you everything correctly, I’ll hold you completely, everything is a lie, our whole story is a lie, not so that our eyes would be open, but so that we would perish in the darkness of centuries and nothing will remain in our memory except the splendor of the Roman geo-empire.
    3. Bagatur
      Bagatur 9 January 2014 22: 53
      +1
      Missionary??? If Svetoslav knows this ... he laughed he was from the heart)))
  2. Sars
    Sars 9 January 2014 09: 56
    -6
    Constantinople was then the only ally of Kievan Rus. Svyatoslav’s campaign was a betrayal both by the Romans and by Kiev.
    1. svp67
      svp67 9 January 2014 11: 58
      +10
      Quote: SarS
      Constantinople was then the only ally of Kievan Rus
      The Byzantine Empire is an ally of Kievan Rus ... don't be funny. The empire played very skillfully in the political field, trying to secure its borders. So with such an "ally" it was necessary to keep an "ear"
      1. Pancho
        Pancho 9 January 2014 22: 32
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        Quote: svp67
        The empire played very skillfully on the political field, trying to secure its borders

        What is wrong here? This is the primary concern of every state. If someone is wrong, then you can only sympathize with the population of such a state.
    2. Andrey78
      Andrey78 9 January 2014 13: 36
      +5
      As they say, DELIVER ME FROM FRIENDS, AND I WILL CONTROL WITH ENEMIES. T.ch. having such an ally as Byzantium enemies you can not look for their ally will direct you. So now the Americans are acting.
    3. Uhe
      Uhe 9 January 2014 13: 52
      +5
      You're delusional. Constantinople was an ally of Khazaria, helping that to plunder and take into slavery the border Slavs - Vyatichi, in general. And that is why the war with them went on for three generations of princes: under Oleg the Prophet, under Igor the Old, under Svyatoslav the Brave. And it was Byzantium that later surrendered Russia to the Mongols as a trophy for the fact that the Mongols weakened Byzantine rivals in Europe, that is, the Poles and Czechs. I passed it with the help of the metropolitans under her control. That is why the Mongols easily found our large cities and took them very quickly, but on small ones, where the power of the Church was not present or it was weak, they were firmly bogged down, and completely bypassed. A good "ally" who handed over his "co-religionists" to a wild horde of "cynical".

      Byzantium, by the time of the Mongol invasion of Russia, had turned into a small Nicene kingdom, and after that it revived again. On someone else’s blood, as always.

      From the middle of the first millennium until the death of Svyatoslav, Russes and other Slavs ruled on the lands of Byzantium, as on their own. Read Greek chroniclers. The Greeks could not do anything against the small detachments of the Slavs, so they acted in their favorite way - stealthily, diplomacy, as they say now.

      Byzantium is an eternal enemy for Russia. They couldn’t defeat us by force, they struck me at the very heart, knocking us off our original path, the path of our ancestors, along which Svyatoslav the Brave was walking. All the troubles from there - pulled on someone else's clothing of Byzantium, which strangles and kills our people with its poison.
      1. Pancho
        Pancho 9 January 2014 18: 44
        +1
        Such nonsense as yours, I have not read before.
        1. Petrol
          Petrol 9 January 2014 20: 01
          0
          what the hell ... in our Ukraine in history textbooks it is written that the cue is the name of prince an not a stick ... this annalistic fable was composed by an author completely unaware of Russian life,
          1. andrew42
            andrew42 4 May 2021 16: 49
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            Amendment. The cue is the hammer. The wooden mallet is still in use.
        2. duke
          duke 10 January 2014 01: 02
          +1
          Quote: Pancho
          Such nonsense as yours, I have not read before.

          Pancho, do not be nervous, of course this is nonsense and an illiterate lie, all these, if I may say so, "theses" are based on his conjectures, since I understand a neo-pagan got out and pours his "stream of thoughts", rather dirty, because from an excess of heart he speaks his mouth ... Well, what can you do, such a "historian", but at the same time it looks like a petty provocateur ... Prince Svyatoslav has always been a hero in the eyes of the Russian people, in addition, a commander and a politician, with strategic thinking, which was a great rarity, who laid the foundations of our state ... The fact that he was a pagan does not in the least detract from his feats of arms, his steps in big politics, and his campaigns only accelerated the adoption of Orthodox Christianity in Russia, since it found fertile ground in our people and contributed to the creation of a great State. And the paganism of the times of Svyatoslav, in no way can be compared with the current home-grown neo-paganism, to which some characters slyly call us, which no longer has any meaning or justification.
      2. Skiff-2
        Skiff-2 9 January 2014 22: 15
        +2
        Quote: Uhe
        Byzantium is an eternal enemy for Russia. They couldn’t defeat us by force, they struck me at the very heart, knocking us off our original path, the path of our ancestors, along which Svyatoslav the Brave was walking. All the troubles from there - pulled on someone else's clothing of Byzantium, which strangles and kills our people with its poison.

        You are mistaken dear. Byzantium was an ally of Russia in the confrontation with the Khazar Kaganate (Igor's campaign is a tribute in blood after defeat from the Khazars, earlier - revenge for the offense of Russian merchants in Constantinople). Svyatoslav had a treaty of alliance with Nikifor Foka in the war with Khazaria in 964 - 965. and the first Danube campaign Svyatoslav made at the request of Nicephorus to pacify the Bulgarians, who harassed the Greeks, annexing the Ulitsy and Tivertsy - the Danube Slavs - to their possessions. After Tzimiskes killed Nicephorus Phocas and usurped power, Svyatoslav considered it a matter of honor to avenge the death of a comrade in arms (especially since the Greeks did not have time to pay for the services of the Russian army for pacifying the Bulgarians). After that there was a war! In the army of Svyatoslav there were many Christians (up to a third) who were baptized under Olga (Saint Equal to the Apostles, "the wisest of wives"), there are suggestions that Sveneld was a Christian too. Our history is consistent, beautiful and majestic, but Svyatoslav Igorevich stands in it in a special (just a special) place - as the son of the Holy Equal-to-the-Apostles Prince. Olga and the father of Saint Equal to the Apostles Prince. Vladimir, after an honorable but insulting peace with the Greeks, he "went mad with rage and turned his revenge on his own comrades in arms, executing many, saying that the Christian God helped the Greeks, and you serve him, sent messengers with orders to burn churches in Kiev and other cities. . " It is not known how his return to Kiev would have ended, but the townspeople were afraid of his return and ... read better Gumilyov and Kozhinov. And everything fell into place under his son, Vladimir the Red Sun ... The youth of the ethnos is the time of heroes, the blood boils - it does not know the edges ... after Svyatoslav, Russia (starting with Vladimir) enters into a period of maturity, smoothly, gradually finally entering into Monomakh. And Svyatoslav is a true hero without fear and reproach - the son of his time. Times are different now, but in my distant childhood, he was my favorite hero, like most boys.
        1. Pancho
          Pancho 9 January 2014 22: 37
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          Reasonable and informative, thank you. And the author, based on Greek sources, adjusts her conclusions. It looks like a dog biting her feeding hand.
        2. Bagatur
          Bagatur 9 January 2014 22: 42
          +2
          Svyatoslav made the first Danube campaign at the request of Nicephorus to pacify the Bulgarians who were pestering the Greeks,

          This is great! True, you may not like it, but it's "immodest and not at all like that" !! In 967. Bulgarians as every year came to pay for the annual tax of Byzantium according to the treaty of 927! It happened that Nicephorus Phoca celebrated the victory over the Arabs at the city of Tarsus. In Euphoria, he outraged the posle and promised that he himself would come with his troops of platinum tax. But when he saw Hemus (the Balkan), he thought about his coymenik - Nikifor I Genik (802-811) - Kan Krum cut his entire army and made a glass of his head, that's when Foka sent Kalokir from Svetoslav ... Svetoslav came as a Byzantine ally of the Bulgarian the roof is spilling. Nobody in Bulgaria called him, they didn’t expect him to be his ally, they didn’t think of him as an ally ..

          After the assassination of Tsifiskhim Nikifor Foki and usurpation of power by him, Svyatoslav considered it a matter of honor to avenge the death of a comrade (especially since the Greeks did not manage to pay for the services of the Russian army to pacify the Bulgarians).

          Here he is the suppressor-invader of his blessing, the Romans later captured Eastern Bulgaria! He struck such a blow to the Bulgarian statehood that the country was on the verge of destruction! Thank you for this too? The war with Byzantium ended for the Bulgarians in 1018 with the destruction of the Bulgarian kingdom, and Svetoslav and Vladimir — not a few merits for it — fought together with the Romans against the Bulgarians, such a story!
          1. voin85
            voin85 10 January 2014 02: 04
            -1
            Quote: bagatura
            Svyatoslav made the first Danube campaign at the request of Nicephorus to pacify the Bulgarians who were pestering the Greeks,

            This is great! True, you may not like it, but it's "immodest and not at all like that" !! In 967. Bulgarians as every year came to pay for the annual tax of Byzantium according to the treaty of 927! It happened that Nicephorus Phoca celebrated the victory over the Arabs at the city of Tarsus. In Euphoria, he outraged the posle and promised that he himself would come with his troops of platinum tax. But when he saw Hemus (the Balkan), he thought about his coymenik - Nikifor I Genik (802-811) - Kan Krum cut his entire army and made a glass of his head, that's when Foka sent Kalokir from Svetoslav ... Svetoslav came as a Byzantine ally of the Bulgarian the roof is spilling. Nobody in Bulgaria called him, they didn’t expect him to be his ally, they didn’t think of him as an ally ..

            After the assassination of Tsifiskhim Nikifor Foki and usurpation of power by him, Svyatoslav considered it a matter of honor to avenge the death of a comrade (especially since the Greeks did not manage to pay for the services of the Russian army to pacify the Bulgarians).

            Here he is the suppressor-invader of his blessing, the Romans later captured Eastern Bulgaria! He struck such a blow to the Bulgarian statehood that the country was on the verge of destruction! Thank you for this too? The war with Byzantium ended for the Bulgarians in 1018 with the destruction of the Bulgarian kingdom, and Svetoslav and Vladimir — not a few merits for it — fought together with the Romans against the Bulgarians, such a story!

            And who, excuse me, informed the Byzantine emperor about the campaign of Igor (Father Svyatoslav) to Constantinople, thanks to which the Romans managed to pull the dromons with Greek fire and burn the entire Russian fleet (I will tell you, the Tsar of the Bulgarians). And for some reason, as part of Svyatoslav's army, to fight " the enslaved "Bulgarians were not ashamed. Do not confuse the selfish interests of the ruling elite with the interests of the people - the corrupt elite got what they deserved, they were swept away by the Russians from the political arena, and the people made their choice (by the way, after the Rus came to the throne of the Bulgarian kingdom, the Bulgarian king sat down, not Svyatoslav ).
        3. Vice president
          Vice president 10 January 2014 09: 39
          +1
          "And everything fell into place under his son, Vladimir the Red Sun ... The youth of the ethnos is the time of heroes, the blood is boiling, it does not know the edges ... after Svyatoslav, Russia (starting with Vladimir) enters the period of maturity, smoothly, gradually finally entering under Monomakh ".
          Are you talking about feudal fragmentation so softly written ?? Or about the subsequent inability to repel enemy aggression ?? Indeed, if you think about it, what Alexander Nevsky managed to do can be called a miracle !! In general, a strange pattern: if the state accepts Christianity, the decline begins (Bulgaria, Lithuania, Russia ...) although it may be a coincidence
        4. andrew42
          andrew42 4 May 2021 16: 59
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          Byzantium was not any "ally". Allies do not fight among themselves several times in 50 years. If memory serves, the last campaign against Byzantium was in the 11th century, under the "command" of Vladimir Yaroslavich (the eldest son of Yaroslav the Wise) and his "Novgorod comrades. Even Karamzin could not lie here. As for Byzantium, Khazaria and the Eastern Slavs, who were in the process of consolidation into a new state of Rus, then there is a modern analogy. The Khazar Kaganate is the current United States, of a more local scale. Byzantium - one can draw an analogy with modern China. Such "partners" who are hurt with the Khazars and cannot refuse to cooperate. The difference is only in the dynamics: Khazaria was at the peak of growth, Vizantia was at a break (the USA and China have the opposite dynamics, respectively).
      3. Corneli
        Corneli 12 January 2014 18: 12
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        Quote: Uhe
        Yes you are raving.

        Here I can not disagree when I read your post. Such a stream of consciousness and pure imagination, I don’t even know from which side to start commenting). In short:
        1. Constantinople was both an ally of Khazaria and was an enemy. It all depended on who ruled in a certain period and other geo-political situations.
        2. Byzantium surrendered to the Mongols the Russian principalities through the metropolitan spies. This is generally SOMETHING !!! wassat Share the source, who is the original author of this crazy fantasy:
        For reference, the Nicene Empire (1204-1261) had something to do - To recapture Constantinople, to fight off old enemies / Muslims. Constantinople was recaptured 20 years after the end of the western campaign of the Mongols (1236-1242) And with what fright and for what shishi the non-state "Nicene Empire" (in fact, one province of Byzantium) began to persecute the Mongols, whom they did not know, and if they knew then they did not from the best side to the northern Russian principalities, I just do not understand. And the fact that she rose up and was able to recapture the ancient capital from the invaders of the Latins, so honor and praise for them. Very few have succeeded in this.
        3. Slavic raids were not only on Byzantium and I do not see anything heroic in this. Migration raids like those of the same Celts, Germans, Pechenegs, Polovtsians and others. Don't you think of the above-mentioned heroes?) And the Greeks "did" a lot of things, moreover, by military force in the main. Negotiations are conducted with a centralized government (princes / kings, etc.), and it is problematic to conduct them with the tribes of the primitive communal system, it is easier to exterminate them.
        Byzantium is NOT the eternal enemy of Russia and actually not an enemy generally. Since she did not NEED sense to quarrel with Russia. Separate collisions are normal practice. Count with whom over the same period (say from Oleg’s reign to the capture of Constantinople) Byzantium and the Russian principalities fought and everything will become clear.
  3. likurg1
    likurg1 9 January 2014 16: 21
    -1
    There are Greeks, there are Bulgarians, there are Russians, but why don’t we mention Armenians? few of them died there ??
    1. haron
      haron 9 January 2014 21: 05
      0
      Moreover, there is silence about Georgians and Estonians. (But ests could have been in the auxiliary army of Svyatoslav, which was walking on foot) ... Georgians could also be ... because bully
      and so, who else will we drag to this story?
      1. likurg1
        likurg1 9 January 2014 22: 19
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        just from the above described history of the Armenians, as it were, they specifically erased it)))))))))) evil intent to the campaign :)
        1. Vice president
          Vice president 10 January 2014 09: 20
          +1
          Instead of cursing, you'd better write about it or give a link
      2. likurg1
        likurg1 9 January 2014 22: 23
        0
        In general, the article is nonsense full, provocatively reviewed what the author ??
    2. Bagatur
      Bagatur 9 January 2014 22: 45
      +3
      The Armenian infantry is a selective part of the Byzantine army! When on August 17.08.986, XNUMX, the Bulgarian army of Samuel destroyed the troops of Vasily II at the Trayanovi Gate pass, the Vasilevs survived thanks to their Armenian guards ... they cut a path for him along the corpses of Byzantine soldiers.
    3. Corneli
      Corneli 12 January 2014 18: 29
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      Quote: likurg1
      There are Greeks, there are Bulgarians, there are Russians, but why don’t we mention Armenians? few of them died there ??

      Well, the main Armenian, the one who is the Byzantine emperor - Tzimiskes, remained alive)
  4. Svobodny
    Svobodny 9 January 2014 16: 46
    -2
    Quote: Uhe
    And then read Prozorov's "Svyatoslav".

    Read it yourself, please.

    Christianity was instilled in the Slavs with blood


    You write something in Cyrillic, meanwhile ... It seems to be a Russian person.
    1. Petrol
      Petrol 9 January 2014 19: 46
      +1
      Russian - the adjective name Russian can be a language or a suit for non-nationality .... you do not say, for example, Tatar nationality and Tatar language but say Tatar nationality! .... it means speaking Russian, Rusin or Rusich nationality .....
      1. Svobodny
        Svobodny 9 January 2014 22: 09
        +1
        Correct Speak Russian
      2. Pancho
        Pancho 9 January 2014 22: 35
        0
        Where do you come from all such experts? It turns out that Russian is no longer a nationality, it’s generally over the edge. What do you smoke?
    2. Petrol
      Petrol 9 January 2014 19: 53
      -1
      about the Cyrillic alphabet .... I will quote Bunin as a response to the reforms of Lunacharsky, Cyril and Mythody - "I say" composing ", not" building ", since the ancient Slavic word" build "means" castrate "," tame ", hence the formation of soldiers is tamed soldiers. Therefore, nowadays some "enthusiasts" instead of the mode of the Russian alphabet impose on us the so-called "system of the Russian alphabet", that is, the alphabet, no matter how rude it sounds, is castrated. "...
      1. Svobodny
        Svobodny 9 January 2014 22: 10
        -1
        Quote: Benzin
        Cyril and mythody

        Well, first, Cyril and Methodius. Further, you can and essentially talk.
        1. Bagatur
          Bagatur 9 January 2014 22: 47
          +2
          Yeah .. and who kept the Slavic primary teachers? To whom should Russia, so that after the baptism of the Slavic books, teachers and priests ..
    3. poquello
      poquello 9 January 2014 22: 38
      +1
      Quote: Svobodny
      Quote: Uhe
      And then read Prozorov's "Svyatoslav".

      Read it yourself, please.

      Christianity was instilled in the Slavs with blood


      You write something in Cyrillic, meanwhile ... It seems to be a Russian person.

      and what should he write on? Greek glaciers priests froze, but the mythodicy in the computer is not. Svyatoslav, by the way, was the enemy of Christianity and wrote on the Glagolitic.

      "The language was one, and there were many ways of writing it. And later different peoples diverged further and further from their fundamental principles and lost contact with their ancestors. And now, having modified their languages ​​almost beyond recognition, they ceased to understand each other."
      Roerich A.V.
      1. Svobodny
        Svobodny 10 January 2014 13: 49
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        Quote: poquello
        Svyatoslav

        And you did not ask, from what sources do we know about Svyatoslav from? And these are Russian chronicles that were written just by Orthodox monks. By the way, what did Svyatoslav himself write? Did he leave any literary works? Enlighten, please.
        1. poquello
          poquello 10 January 2014 22: 31
          +1
          Quote: Svobodny
          Quote: poquello
          Svyatoslav

          And you did not ask, from what sources do we know about Svyatoslav from? And these are Russian chronicles that were written just by Orthodox monks ...

          ))) the pagan Slavomysl wrote about Svyatoslav
          1. Svobodny
            Svobodny 11 January 2014 08: 14
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            Quote: poquello
            wrote the pagan Slavomysl

            Wrote on the fence? Kind sources, artifacts.
            1. poquello
              poquello 11 January 2014 16: 29
              +1
              Quote: Svobodny
              Quote: poquello
              wrote the pagan Slavomysl

              Wrote on the fence? Kind sources, artifacts.

              http://www.tezan.ru/dan_5.htm
              1. Svobodny
                Svobodny 11 January 2014 18: 14
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                Gorgeous. Decrypt. Very interesting.
      2. Pancho
        Pancho 11 January 2014 22: 07
        0
        Quote: poquello
        Glagolitsa Greek priests froze

        There was no glagolitic face, do not puff out cheeks. Our ancestors did not have scripts in those days.
        1. poquello
          poquello 11 January 2014 23: 03
          +1
          Quote: Pancho
          Quote: poquello
          Glagolitsa Greek priests froze

          There was no glagolitic face, do not puff out cheeks. Our ancestors did not have scripts in those days.

          prove that you don’t know how to read
          1. Pancho
            Pancho 12 January 2014 16: 46
            -1
            So you prove it. Imagine something in the Glagolitic language. And you should not think that the world is only revolving around you, there was nothing more for the Greek priests to do, as soon as the writing was deprived of anyone, especially those who did not have it.
            1. Cossack23
              Cossack23 12 January 2014 18: 43
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              Quote: Pancho
              So you prove it. Imagine something in the Glagolitic language. And you should not think that the world is only revolving around you, there was nothing more for the Greek priests to do, as soon as the writing was deprived of anyone, especially those who did not have it.

              And you are a Russian person in general - where so much contempt for yourself and your origin comes from, or do you think that the best priests have been instilled in you - read Shambarov for a start, he at least respects those whom he writes about and make your own conclusions.
            2. poquello
              poquello 13 January 2014 01: 12
              +1

              http://expositions.nlr.ru/slav_culture/
              Quote: Pancho
              So you prove it. Imagine something on the Glagolitic.

              http://pics.livejournal.com/byzantine_way/pic/000kabcr
              1. Pancho
                Pancho 13 January 2014 20: 59
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                There is an opinion in popular literature that the Glagolitic was founded by Constantine (Cyril) the Philosopher on some ancient Slavic runic script, which was supposedly used for sacred pagan and secular purposes before the adoption of Christianity in the ancient Slavic states; There is no clear evidence for this (as well as the existence of “Slavic runes” in general). In ancient Russia, the glagolitic was practically not used, there are only a few interspersed glagolic letters in texts written in Cyrillic -This is part of the quotes from your link. So the Greeks created one and the other alphabet.
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  5. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 9 January 2014 21: 08
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    Russian historian ?! Stunned! And I’m already so used to total treason in the ranks of this fraternity that I didn’t hope for anything like that ... It’s just strange to read. Thanks to the author, good job.
  6. Cossack23
    Cossack23 9 January 2014 23: 29
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    I know for sure. Everything that came to us from the West will drown us in such a swamp that we will never get out of it. And as for Cyril and Methodius, I will only tell you so thanks to them. We speak a mixture of Latin of some other garbage and the Russian language - don’t believe it, then check it out easily compare the old AZ BUKU and the modern one, and the words consisting of them are something more familiar in the language ours, understand every word and you will understand we speak a foreign language. Our language is like babbling a child with his soul, you need to smell it. I tell you like a Cossack, we saved trochies no matter how.
    1. poquello
      poquello 10 January 2014 01: 12
      +2
      Quote: Cossack23
      compare the old AZ BUKU and the modern one, and the words consisting of them are something more native in our own language, sort each word and you will understand we speak a foreign language. Our language is like babbling a child with his soul, you need to smell it, I say to you like a Cossack we no matter how trochs have preserved themselves.


      Az - "I".
      Beeches (beech) - "letters, letters."
      Vedi (Veda) - “knew”, the perfect past tense from “Vediti” - to know, to know.

      Combining the acrophonic names of the first three letters of the alphabet, we get the following: "az buki vede" - "I know the letters."

      http://www.km.ru/front-projects/russkii-yazyk-velikoe-dostoyanie-vsego-chelovech
      estva
      1. Cossack23
        Cossack23 10 January 2014 15: 04
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        that is, each letter has a deep meaning, and the current alphabet has only sounds like the Latin alphabet.
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  7. likurg1
    likurg1 9 January 2014 23: 42
    0
    from paganism, to Christianity, to Pan-Slavism, then the global red project, right now, we are returning to "neo" paganism or something crying
    1. Svobodny
      Svobodny 11 January 2014 08: 18
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      Quote: likurg1
      back to "neo" paganism

      Individuals are returning. Only this "neo" has nothing to do with real paganism, except for the satanic essence, of course. One of such "returnees to the original roots" was Mr. Hitler and his comrades.
  8. voin85
    voin85 10 January 2014 01: 46
    +1
    Quote: bagatura
    Yeah .. and who kept the Slavic primary teachers? To whom should Russia, so that after the baptism of the Slavic books, teachers and priests ..

    And who should Bulgaria, that it and its people exist (1877-1878 or a little more deeply) -a in response: 1st World War — on the side of the union of the central powers (with Germany and Austria-Hungary against Russia), 2nd World War — on the side of the axis countries (with Germany against the USSR): I would be silent about your historical gratitude.
  9. ilea123456
    ilea123456 10 January 2014 12: 20
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    Quote: svp67
    Quote: FC Skif
    The main accomplishment of Svyatoslav in world history is the destruction of the Khazars,
    And also, the fact that he managed to unite many kindred Slavic tribes ...

    and give life to Vladimir
  10. Cossack23
    Cossack23 10 January 2014 15: 42
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    You know what a hokholok or a sedentary person means in our character or well, probably in Russian, a Vedun, a person who knows (feels) the truth and can apply it in life, and most likely Yaroslav understood what the Greek faith is alien to us in everything. I am a believer and it is very difficult for me to realize that we were deceived, but most likely Christianity was accepted as the least evil for the sake of unification before the upcoming troubles and redraw the Christian faith more or less closer to the true one, so initially it was most likely truly Orthodox and more or less to us suitable. But after the death of the Rurik clan and under the rule of the Romanovs, the church after small reforms split into Old Believers (living in forests and unity with nature) and the current church living in cities closer to power and glory, but I am silent about money. I think that it is not necessary to revive paganism, it is very manyfold from there and squabbles, but it is necessary to revive the first Orthodoxy under it. Russia gained strength and rose after all troubles, it was during it that such saints as Sergius of Radonezh and hundreds of other saints and martyrs appeared, it was in those days revealed dozens of types of heresies which are now declared new religions and I don’t see that I am being dripped with a single drop of truth today, but thank God the Tsar-Father Ivan the Terrible (we still have the Cossacks revered him with love) left many books and there there is no price list.
    1. Pancho
      Pancho 11 January 2014 22: 10
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      Quote: Cossack23
      But thank God the Tsar-Father Ivan the Terrible

      Where can I find books?
      1. Cossack23
        Cossack23 12 January 2014 18: 50
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        read "the king of formidable Russia" Shambarov - very interesting and informative. I in other sources scattered information, from conversations with historians, but he wrote very succinctly and many references to reliable literature, and he does not fool his head in an accessible way.
  11. Cossack23
    Cossack23 10 January 2014 15: 47
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    Do you know that Khazaria was originally there until the advent of Judaic bayla, a very close ally to the Slavs.
  12. Corneli
    Corneli 12 January 2014 18: 27
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    Do not confuse the egoistic interests of the ruling elite with the interests of the people - the venal elite got what they deserved, swept away by the Russians from the political arena, and the people made their choice (by the way, after the Russians arrived on the throne of the Bulgarian kingdom, the Bulgarian king, not Svyatoslav).

    What "choice" did the Bulgarian people make? MB collected "Maidan" laughing and called on Svyatoslav for help, against the "corrupt local elite" and the evil Byzantines (who, incidentally, did not attack them at that moment)?