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“United States of America”

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The confrontation between the North and the South of the United States continues at the emotional and ideological levels to this day


Back in 1998, Professor Igor Panarin made a sensational statement: by 2010, the United States would fall apart into several states. He even developed a map showing a hypothetical demarcation between future North American countries. The topic was picked up by various publishers, came to the USA, overgrown with details convincing for the local reader. In the English version, the picture is as follows: the eastern states (New England) form an English-like state entering the EU; the west (California and the surrounding area) will become dependent on China, the southern states will suffer to Mexico and the Spanish language, and the north-central states, the most backward and “dense”, to Canada. Hawaii captures Japan or China, Alaska - Russia.

“United States of America”

Such a scenario (let's call it “provocative”, since the word “trolling” in the 1998 year was not yet) by the 2010 year was not realized. But was he completely baseless? After all, the United States has already been divided into two states in the past - the United States and the CSA (Confederate States of America). In the nineteenth century, as a result of the four-year war (a million soldiers died and at least a million civilians), the CSA were defeated, occupied and re-joined the United States. And, interestingly, the reasons for this separation (secession) and the subsequent war are still unclear.

First, the legal moment: the States united into one state in the 1776 year, transferring to the federal government a part of sovereignty, but not all. This is the first. Secondly: not a single document regulated the withdrawal of individual states from the Union. And since it was not regulated, it was not prohibited; and what is not forbidden is what is allowed.

In general, from the point of view of many southerners (modern), the use of the federal army in the states, the occupation, the post-war defeat of the southerners in rights, the appointment of military governors instead of the freely elected population are all crimes, military and criminal. Both Lincoln and General Sherman are war criminals. In terms of the official and "northern", Lincoln saved the nation and the country from criminals. In this, emotional, aspect, the division is still preserved: a northerner, “Yankee,” even a simple truck driver, turned out to be in the South, often had to listen to at least ridicule from the “local”, and even insults.

Goes and Southerners. They (together, by the way, with residents of the central states) are honored with the nickname “rednecks,” that is, “red necks.” Well, what else could be the neck of a farmer? This is despite the fact that the southern states themselves were the real cradle of American statehood and were mastered by quite gentlemen.

It is far from always clear to the Russian reader that slavery was not the cause of the war. And it was not, and here's why. First, slavery was not anti-legal in the early years of the war; secondly, when Lincoln still gave freedom to blacks in the 1863 year - he gave freedom to blacks of the southern states, and blacks of the North received their freedom later. That is, the North has formally been slave-owning longer than the South. But it turned out that in his greeting to Lincoln on his re-election, Karl Marx wrote about that war precisely as a war against slavery, and other versions, naturally, were excluded from our consideration.

In reality, the reasons were most likely economic. Southerners were interested in a liberal economy, that is, in duty-free trade with Europe, where they supplied cotton and from where they bought everything else in return. The North was interested in the development of its industry, and therefore, in the protectionist customs system, with high (20-30%) duties. In this case, the southerners had to pay up to a third of the cost of each purchase to the federal treasury. Who could like it? All economic история The United States in the nineteenth century is the story of "tug-of-war" about tariff rates. Either they rose, they almost got nullified, because in the Congress and the White House they became one and then another.

But what is the reason for such a long confrontation at the emotional and ideological level? It turns out that there is a real confrontation now, and also in the economy. Although it is different.

The political situation of the modern United States is determined by the fact that a wide stratum of voters has emerged in the country, one way or another tied to a “liberal” social policy. In the US, the word "liberal" means not at all what we have: liberals are a kind of socialists. They advocate the further expansion of social guarantees without regard to labor input. This "liberal" policy has mastered the Democratic Party.

A typical supporter is a disabled recipient of benefits, grocery cards and various social services. He often color, lives in large cities, did not serve in the army. He himself, of course, a full-fledged citizen (otherwise he could not vote), but often associated by kinship with illegal immigrants. It is on this layer that the ambitious program of free medical insurance (in fact, the introduction of free universal medicine in the USA) and the whole Obama policy are designed. In passing, liberals stand for the rights of various minorities, for political correctness, juvenile justice, but at the same time for restricting the rights to weapon, bans on hunting and so on.

In foreign policy, however, the differences between the liberals and the conservatives are small.

At the same time, the one whom we consider “a real American”, that is, a farmer in the Midwest or a skilled worker of a high-tech enterprise, feels “humiliated and insulted”. His medical insurance, for which he has been bent all his life, is devalued; Naturally, the average level even of American medicine, when it is “smeared” over all the thin layer, will decrease. And he, the backbone of the whole of America, the simple white guy, authorities say: "Shut up and play, and, yes, it is, to pay taxes, do not forget," And from his tax authority pays for food stamps and medicine for some black man, who I have not worked a day in my life, and he, a white guy, cannot even call that a “Negro”! They, these powerful white old men, publish on their forums photos of muscular Putin with a rifle in their hands - next to their unloved president, kissing a famous American golfer.

This conflict manifests itself geographically. The fact is that the legislation in each state is different, and there are not too many norms established at the federal level. In California, with its millions of Mexicans and immigrants from Asia, with depraved creative intelligentsia, absolutely terrible, in the opinion of Americans, gun laws. Some types of weapons were even confiscated there, which was not accepted at all: for example, if a ban is imposed on something, this type simply ceases to be sold or, rather, imported. And the one who previously bought, continues to own. For example, our SVD rifle is prohibited here and there, but who bought it before, may even sell it on the secondary market, and it is expensive in the US.

Therefore, the United States has formed its own front line - the central states of "deer hunters", ready (albeit in words) with a rifle in their hands to defend their rights against velfer-socialism crawling from the coasts. What is the tragedy of traditionalists? They cannot win the elections, even if the next Democratic candidates fail. The Republican Party has lost credibility, and even ordinary conservatives consider prominent Republicans "rhinos".

The modern world allows people from different countries to communicate without intermediaries, at least in the comments on YouTube, and I try to use these opportunities. It is not easy - and the matter is not only in the language barrier, although Google translator helps. We have different interests with the Americans, a different sense of humor; they, like us, watch American films - but they have different ratings. Nevertheless, all of the above is derived just from them, ordinary Americans, usually older ones. Belykh: for some reason I have not met a single black (or, maybe, did not confess). By the way, it is not uncommon among white people with Indian roots, which I did not expect at all: whose grandmother is Cherokee, whose father is a Comanche. And after many years of acquaintance, I found it possible to lay out for evaluation these cards - the original Panarin and later, humorous.


Americans have a different sense of humor, but a good one, and they like the cards. The second map, where the south and north-center are united, seemed more plausible to them. They also felt that Utah and generally rural areas of the western states, as well as Alaska, would go to the center; but that is absolutely impossible, they said, that something could fall into the hands of Russians or Chinese. This, the Americans said, is the only thing that will unite them all. To this I noted to them that in the conditions of the collapse of the state, losing some territories is easier than ever: an example is the loss of Kosovo by Yugoslavia. With this, they agreed.

In fact, of course, the collapse of the United States is almost impossible. First, after all, the majority of Americans are “statesmen,” and are ready to maintain unity even with the use of nuclear weapons. Secondly, secession is a federal crime in the United States, in contrast to, say, the USSR, where the republics had the right to self-determination up to secession.

But, as some of my pen-pal friends say bitterly, “the country is getting closer to your second map every year”.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 31 December 2013 09: 55
    +19
    And what to discuss ??? Whose fiction? Again hatred?
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 31 December 2013 10: 04
      +10
      Quote: makarov
      And what to discuss ??? Whose fiction? Again hatred?

      In every joke ...

      November 2007, XNUMX
      North American Indians decided to create their own state and secede from the United States. On Monday, a delegation of Lakota Indians handed over to the State Department their message about the unilateral termination of the agreement concluded by their ancestors with the federal authorities 150 years ago. In addition, the Indians visited the embassies of Chile, Bolivia, Venezuela and South Africa, where they also announced the emergence of a new country. Soon they are going to issue their passports and driver’s licenses, and also to exempt from taxes all who recognize themselves as citizens of the new state.

      The authorities have not yet responded to such an original demarche of the indigenous people, but if anything comes of this venture, the White House will curse the day it supported Kosovo’s independence. In the USA, Lakota Indians live in a vast space of five states: Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana and Wyoming. There are Lakota lands in both Colorado and Kansas.

      http://www.kp.ru/daily/24022/90178

      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 31 December 2013 10: 26
        +16
        Quote: GreatRussia
        In the United States, Lakota Indians live in a vast expanse of five states: Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming. There are Lakota lands in both Colorado and Kansas.

        They live, but formally they own only reservations, scattered and not very large territories. Since the 19th century, the Yankees have done everything so that the Indians never have any real rights. The Indians are partly assimilated, partly divided and degraded. Destruction and poverty reign in the reservations, they live on some allowances and money from the sale of handicrafts. Here is such a policy of protecting the indigenous population.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 31 December 2013 12: 20
          +23
          Quote: makarov
          And what to discuss ??? Whose fiction? Again hatred?


          Nobody believed in the collapse of the USSR, however .... But the principle of creating a state is the same ... allied
          1. GastaClaus69
            GastaClaus69 31 December 2013 12: 54
            +13
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            And the principle of creating a state is the same ... allied

            Do they have republics in each of which their own people live with their own language and culture?
            Any US state is a hodgepodge of Europeans with specks of Latinos and Afronegroes, especially since they do not live on their historical land. Of course, I would not mind if it collapsed but there really are no prerequisites!
            1. sledgehammer102
              sledgehammer102 31 December 2013 13: 34
              +3
              Quote: GastaClaus69
              Do they have republics in each of which their own people live with their own language and culture?

              Indians, blacks, latinos and whites are right for you?

              Quote: GastaClaus69
              Any US state is a hodgepodge of Europeans with specks of Latinos and Afronegro


              There are black states, there are white states, and there are states where there are a lot of Latinos.

              Quote: GastaClaus69
              Of course, I would not mind if it collapsed but there really are no prerequisites!

              Therefore, probably on the White House website hung a petition about the separation of Texas from the United States, and now there is also a couple ...
              1. GastaClaus69
                GastaClaus69 31 December 2013 14: 26
                +4
                Quote: sledgehammer102
                Therefore, probably on the White House website hung a petition about the separation of Texas from the United States, and now there is also a couple ...

                Bankers will not allow ...
                1. Gecko
                  Gecko 31 December 2013 17: 30
                  +4
                  Sooner or later, the contradictions in American society have reached the limit of racial and property division, and no one and nothing will save in this case.
            2. saber1357
              saber1357 31 December 2013 22: 01
              +6
              Yes, you should have listened to a conversation in an American pub in Pennsylvania about "them skunky scoundrels" from Maryland (less than 50 km away). There, the degree of hostility of people from different states is quite high, because, in particular, low-income people from a neighboring state from time to time oust local residents from work because they agree to work for less and more (like our problems with Central Asians). Although, in general, fantasy, I agree, at the current level of premises.
          2. pvv113
            pvv113 31 December 2013 14: 41
            +10
            NOBODY SHOULD EXPECT TRAFFIC ON THE PART OF THE SUPREME AUTHORITIES
        2. Vasek
          Vasek 31 December 2013 20: 55
          +1
          Quote: Vladimirets
          They live, but formally they own only reservations, scattered and not very large territories. Since the 19th century, the Yankees have done everything so that the Indians never have any real rights. The Indians are partly assimilated, partly divided and degraded. Destruction and poverty reign in the reservations, they live on some allowances and money from the sale of handicrafts. Here is such a policy of protecting the indigenous population.

          The indigenous people of North America have no financial sense in their own statehood.
          Their representatives are the most active recipients of cash assistance, free medicines, insurance, services, etc.
          In Canada, for example, every Indian down to a quarter-ton (i.e., a quarter of an Indian) is entitled to about $ 2000 per month only.
          In addition, free grants for training, business, etc. They love to thump only more, sometimes they rage, recalling their rights.
          But about separation and own statehood - there can be no question! (Where are the benefits then?).
          In the United States, they say, they have less rights, but it doesn’t matter how the endangered species feeds them too well, so that they would seriously maidanil.
        3. vkrav
          vkrav 1 January 2014 00: 47
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Destruction and poverty reign in reserves

          There are different reservations ... Often, the Indians make casinos on reservations, and they live well ... And officially in the states there is only one place with a legalized gambling business - Vegas ... But in general, it is about Indians ... The final blow to the Indians was dealt by the same vigorous weapon - or rather, uranium ... In the 19th century, the Indians were driven into the most barren and desert lands ... And in the 40s and 50s of our century it turned out that almost 90% of the uranium deposits are on Indian lands :). Well, the most fair state of this injustice essno, eliminated ...
        4. Beck
          Beck 3 January 2014 10: 56
          +1
          Quote: Vladimirets
          They live, but formally they own only reservations, scattered and not very large territories. Since the 19th century, the Yankees have done everything so that the Indians never have any real rights.


          Again the reservation. And again, the understatement or silence of the essence of the reservation.

          Reservations are bad, that's a fact. But when they were created there were no those norms of morality and humanity of today. It is like, today and constantly, condemning the Mexicans that they once engaged in human sacrifice. Any more developed community of the 15-19 centuries created "reservation" conditions for the conquered peoples.

          After the bloody battles with the Indian tribes, the US government compromised. It offered the Indians a world with certain conditions. Indians stop fighting, they are allocated certain territories for living, and the US government provides all their livelihoods, on an unlimited basis. The Indians agreed.

          From the very beginning to today. The Indians on the reservations do not plow and sow, do not reap and do not forge, do not graze and do not hunch. They are fully supported by the government. The government provides them with food, clothing, houses, utensils, electronics, toothpaste, toilet paper. ALL. Gives primary education, pocket money. Only one restriction, a restriction in the use of alcohol.

          And today, if an Indian does not want to live on a reservation, he is free to leave it and live anywhere in the United States. BUT, then the free life for him ends, then he must provide for himself, with his work. And today, some part of the Indians live outside the reservation, as ordinary citizens of the United States - work as workers, study at universities, have their own business.

          And then some are all - reservations, reservations. Smelling the smoke of the beginning of the 19th century, but not knowing today's reality.
      2. Megatron
        Megatron 31 December 2013 21: 58
        +2
        Independence is certainly good, but what, excuse me, they will eat if they are paid benefits and electricity and even banal food coupons.
    2. FC SKIF
      FC SKIF 31 December 2013 10: 10
      +9
      Pavel, I understand that science fiction and science fiction writers are not an authority for you, but you can remember Jules Verne, for example. Or the dystopia "1984", which is increasingly becoming a reality in the same AI. The collapse of the United States will be increasingly likely as the living conditions of the population deteriorate. The values ​​that justified the existence of this country have ended, more and more US citizens are disappointed in the institutions of power. Voices will sound louder enough to feed Washington ", blacks, whites, Latinos, etc. I wrote something similar in the article" There is no sense in the further existence of the United States "
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 1 January 2014 14: 25
        0
        The first day that the Shats will not be able to pay with a freshly printed bucks, become the last nail in the lid of their coffin.
    3. askort154
      askort154 31 December 2013 11: 24
      +8
      makarov ... And what to discuss ??? Whose fiction? Again hatred?

      At first glance, the article is delusional, of course, but not quite.
      at least one empire or union state that exists is initially still. Everything flows, everything changes. The time will come and the USA is a matter of time.
    4. alone
      alone 31 December 2013 11: 33
      +8
      Back in 1998, Professor Igor Panarin made a sensational statement: by 2010, the United States will fall apart into several states.


      Professors at stake for cheating !! and people then lived with the hope that the professor was telling the truth !! laughing
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 31 December 2013 20: 50
        0
        And people should hit the back of their heads for themselves. The future is what you do. All of these contradictions by themselves (far from all. For example, there are Mormons drenched in mud in forty layers ... who are becoming richer, stronger, more powerful, and Washington, to put it mildly, value little ...) will not blow up the United States. But if you help a little ...
        True, then we will be left alone with China, with which we will have to fight almost immediately. "I replaced the awl with a pile", yeah ...
    5. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 31 December 2013 11: 56
      +5
      Quote: makarov
      And what to discuss ??? Whose fiction? Again hatred?

      Well, why, they feed the hopes of young men, they give joy to the elders.
    6. Civil
      Civil 31 December 2013 12: 56
      +2
      The amount of nonsense in the article rolls over)
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 31 December 2013 17: 35
        +3
        all modern history, the essence is nonsense of a madman ...
    7. vlad767
      vlad767 31 December 2013 13: 49
      +7
      All empires sooner or later collapsed, and the United States will not be an exception. The question is not whether the United States will fall apart or not, but when will it fall apart.
      1. Beck
        Beck 3 January 2014 11: 22
        -1
        Quote: vlad767
        All empires sooner or later collapsed, and the United States will not be an exception. The question is not whether the United States will fall apart or not, but when will it fall apart.


        The United States has never been an imperial power. They never had colonies like England, Holland, France, Russia, Portugal, Spain, etc.

        History in the United States experimented on the future arrangement of the world order on Earth. When different peoples live on the same territory under the same citizenship.

        In the future, borders will fall. Earth will be a single country, and all nations mixed together will be citizens of the planet.

        And the steps of history in this direction are visible. First, the spontaneous formation of the United States, where a conglomerate of peoples created a single citizenship. Now conscious action - The creation of the European Union, without national borders, under one European citizenship. Creation of the CU, the Eurasian Union, the CIS countries. Creation of regional economic unions in the Far East, in Latin America, etc.

        And no matter how you say it, like no one is jealous of envy, of nationalism, home-made, these today's large territorial-economic conglomerates will merge into one community, into one state - Planet Earth. And the question is not whether the question is when. Maybe after 500 years, maybe after 1000, for history it's a moment.

        Household visual example. About 30-40 years ago, all the football teams in the world represented only the cities of their countries. English - British, Russian - Russian, Argentinean - Argentineans, etc. And now who just does not play for the club. For example, Russian - and Russian, and the British, and blacks, and Japanese. They are of different nationalities, but the players are of the same team.
    8. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 3 January 2014 10: 08
      0
      Not to discuss, as well as how they, with the help of NGOs, help "fighters against the regime": the Indians in the struggle for the seized land, and any dissidents dissatisfied with anything and anyone, especially "oppressed African-Americans suffering from idleness on benefits." there you look and what is drawn on the map will come true!
  2. realist
    realist 31 December 2013 09: 57
    -1
    A.F.F.Tor - this and Petrosian from Badun does not pile ...
  3. Tartary
    Tartary 31 December 2013 10: 00
    +13
    But, as some of my pen-pal friends say bitterly, “the country is getting closer to your second map every year”.

    Oh, how I want to find this wonderful moment of TRUTH!
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 31 December 2013 10: 19
      +12
      In fact, Igor Panarin is not a science fiction writer at all, he is a teacher and dean of the MGIMO faculty, in addition, he is a fairly prominent analyst, if respected commentators read his book "The Decline of the Dollar or the End of Pax Americana", they could see that Panarin was mistaken only in terms (incorrigible optimist lol ) but all the trends in economics and politics so far follow the notes, which, incidentally, is also confirmed by the author's respondents in mattress.
      1. Beck
        Beck 3 January 2014 17: 36
        -1
        Quote: Tartary
        Oh, how I want to find this wonderful moment of TRUTH!

        Quote: Andrey57
        they could see that Panarin was mistaken only in terms (an incorrigible optimist), but all the trends in economics and politics so far follow the notes, which, incidentally, are also confirmed by the author's respondents in mattress.


        Such moods are incomprehensible. Desires of destruction, collapse, death of any country. This is the envy of success. According to the history of what the United States did to bad Russia (there is no need for the Jewish Masons, the bestial grin of imperialism, an alien conspiracy and similar rubbish), that once the US troops large-scale invaded Russia (the landing of 5000 soldiers in the north in 1918 does not count, they stood and left) that they had once occupied some part, that they bombed the cities of Russia, that they closed the borders isolating Russia. There was no such thing in history.

        But in the 30s they helped a lot in the industrialization of the country, supplied raw materials and equipment to the Second World War, and finally were allies in the common struggle against fascism. And for this they need to be destroyed?

        They want to be destroyed by those who can’t sleep because of black envy, that the USA is more successful than Russia. So someone does not want to wish death, but they themselves, after adopting all the best, work and achieve more impressive results.

        10 years ago, two mortgage banks went bankrupt in the United States and what we all cared about bankrupt bankers and amers' housing problems. So no, the whole world was shaking economically and is still sneezing. And then Urashniki want the collapse of the largest link in the global economy. This will be the economic collapse of the whole world hundreds of times worse than the economic depression in the USA in 30 years. We must not wish for someone to die, but how can China adopt all the best. China has adopted and is already breathing in the back of the head of the United States and will soon bypass it without any wishes for collapse and death.

        And there have always been such pan-Arian opuses. Always someone, something predicted on a sore head. And who predicted the end of the world. Well, and that he came this End. And panarins only do stupid public relations on their vanity.
  4. altman
    altman 31 December 2013 10: 02
    0
    On the one hand, the collapse of the United States would have pleased, but how would you think that each part will receive nuclear weapons ... as you recall, what almost happened to Russia ... you begin to think about it ... maybe well ... let them live as a whole, even though we know who we are dealing with ...
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 1 January 2014 14: 28
      0
      Quote: altman
      .Let they live as a whole, even though we know who we are dealing with ...


      As soon as we cannot answer, this whole will strike. Let it be done in parts.
  5. valokordin
    valokordin 31 December 2013 10: 03
    +2
    Reading an article, a waste of time, The collapse of the United States is far distant .......
  6. vengrik
    vengrik 31 December 2013 10: 12
    +7
    We would keep Russia from decay ....
  7. andrei332809
    andrei332809 31 December 2013 10: 12
    +2
    this year are not disconnected recourse look what the next one will bring (maybe the teddy bear will turn? Or will they have a stool?)
    1. alexdol
      alexdol 31 December 2013 17: 45
      +2
      andrei332809 (3) RU "let's see what the next one will bring (maybe the bear will be turned around? or will they make a stool?)"
      -------------------------------------------------- -----------------
      They should be planted both, plus Vasiliev, etc. But there is such a fear that none of this will happen ....
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 31 December 2013 17: 51
        +2
        Quote: alexdol
        But there is such a fear that none of this will happen.

        I also think that in the new year there will be no changes on this basis. but I will drink for it (so as not to be afraid to plant frank grabbers and saboteurs, not to say even worse)
        Happy New Year, Ukraine!
        1. alexdol
          alexdol 31 December 2013 18: 27
          +6
          andrei332809 (3) RU "Happy Ukraine! Let's break through!"

          And Happy New Year to you, Andrey! Let's hope that there will be changes for the better. As for "Ukraine", I am also Russian and I think that I live in RUSSIA, in that part of it that is temporarily called "Ukraine".
          Once again, even my wife, who considered herself a Ukrainian as a result of eight years ago, admitted that we are all RUSSIAN!
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 31 December 2013 18: 56
            +4
            Quote: alexdol
            I am also Russian and I think that I live in RUSSIA, in that part of it, which is temporarily called "Ukraine".
            Once again, even my wife, who considered herself a Ukrainian as a result of eight years ago, admitted that we are all RUSSIAN!

            I approve good if everyone had reasoned like that
  8. AGM-114
    AGM-114 31 December 2013 10: 12
    -6
    Patriotic potsriotic fantasies.
  9. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 31 December 2013 10: 17
    +1
    Redkistan ???
    1. TS3sta3
      TS3sta3 31 December 2013 12: 06
      +3
      Rednecks (English rednecks - "red-necked") - the slang term for the inhabitants of the hinterland of the United States, at first primarily the south, and then the area under the Appalachian mountain system. Corresponds to the Russian “village man” or “collective farmer”, but in the original it can be used both as an abusive word like Russian “redneck”, “bidlo”, and as a proud self-name.
      1. Panikovsky
        Panikovsky 31 December 2013 13: 00
        +2
        Thanks for the clarification, but on a Russian-language site, your idioms are preferable.
      2. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 31 December 2013 14: 01
        0
        Ahem, how a curse can, but sorry, completely incorrect, since the labor redneck is grumbling from the karamultuk to the offender, and he will abandon and forget the corpse on the side of the road. They are free.
        The ending "-stan" killed me. Everyone knows that Rednecks, comrades are very religious, be they Texan Protestants, or Southwest Catholics
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 31 December 2013 16: 51
          +1
          Ha ha ha, I wonder if my message was neglected for stating the fact of religiosity, fury or liberty of the rednecks? wassat
  10. uralkos
    uralkos 31 December 2013 10: 24
    +16
    Who lived in the USSR knows that we did not even dream of decay, even in terrible dreams, and did not think or guess about it in any way. But it all turned out like it. Everything can be everything. Empires and more split, whole civilizations disappeared, but life went on. Time will put everything in its place.
    1. not good
      not good 31 December 2013 20: 23
      +2
      The gun hanging on the wall will eventually shoot! Grandfather Lenin, when he was building the USSR, laid the principle of self-determination of nations in the formation of the state, forgetting that the West itself helped him self-determination with money, as practice has shown, the West loves to help self-determination. will explode.
      1. alexng
        alexng 31 December 2013 21: 18
        +2
        It will explode and how, because all their policies are built on lies. Previously, they at least mixed in a little truth with a lie, but now they’re so divided, they are building everything on 100% of the lie. And the fact that keeps on a lie, in particular the dollar, sooner or later falls apart. The dollar is collapsing, which means that the United States also cannot stand it. Here is such an olivier.
  11. Alexander, M
    Alexander, M 31 December 2013 10: 26
    -1
    New Year's tales, from 18 and older.
  12. Ahmed Osmanov
    Ahmed Osmanov 31 December 2013 10: 34
    -2
    Another fable, but with a New Year slant.
  13. mountain
    mountain 31 December 2013 10: 35
    +4
    Why not fantasize? So they are not fantasies towards us, but they are building doctrines, and if we just reason and argue, even among ourselves. That they have a different approach to us and does not smell like jokes. Let them fall apart kindly and end the matter. Happy New Year!
  14. Arhj
    Arhj 31 December 2013 10: 39
    +6
    Dreams of course, but I read it with pleasure. Especially about the return of Alaska
  15. shinobi
    shinobi 31 December 2013 10: 49
    +3
    The United States, as their own conservatives say, has the only way to save the state from complete collapse and subsequent collapse to return to the policy of isolationism. The one that helped them stay afloat during the years of the Great Depression. But !!! How do they complain, with those debt and America’s political commitments to the outside world, this is impossible. That is, they are confident themselves already in this futuristic model of development, a matter of time. We’ll see in general.
  16. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 31 December 2013 10: 52
    +5
    Or maybe ask how they have in the states, who is not happy with what, they want somewhere in the Maidan, somewhere in the tolerance m? And there, you look, and their flags will be painted in Dutch colors!
    1. Grenader
      Grenader 31 December 2013 12: 49
      +4
      The Maidan was already called "occupy wall street". If you have an intent on these moods you can play well. But in our country no one thinks about it yet.
  17. Guardian
    Guardian 31 December 2013 10: 53
    +2
    Quote: Arhj
    Dreams of course, but I read it with pleasure. Especially about the return of Alaska

    It is unlikely that Alaska will go to Russia, rather to Canada. And the entry of US honor to China is just nonsense.
    1. matross
      matross 31 December 2013 12: 43
      +6
      Quote: Tutor
      Alaska will go to Russia, rather to Canada

      It depends on what Russia will be by that moment. And that Canada, which is also not a monolith, may also squeeze a half from it on occasion ... wink
  18. Basileus
    Basileus 31 December 2013 11: 00
    +3
    Hm. I read, it seems everything is clear. But what is the article about? That Americans are people too, and that they also have disagreements? Then, sorry for the pun, you have not discovered America - in any society, each class has its own interests.
  19. vlad0
    vlad0 31 December 2013 11: 09
    +5
    Pity for the "powerful American middle peasants", which is currently trails 3-4 niggas and Latinos, not increased. The existing world order, as well as their internal politics and the resulting mess, was created not by the "chocolate Babama", but by the same representatives of the historic white gentleman class. As for the collapse - a very dubious topic, but the fact that they are reaping the fruits of liberalism and tolerance - so let them !!!! laughing

    All with the upcoming and best !!!!! drinks
  20. rpek32
    rpek32 31 December 2013 11: 11
    +1
    well, striped, we wait until you turn into a republic, and then we'll see how long it lasts.
  21. 120352
    120352 31 December 2013 11: 31
    +7
    Alaska is clearly too much. The sovereign sold it to America, by the way, for very decent money at that time, which was enough for the construction of Trranssib, for the same reason that Siberia is empty today: because of the impossibility of organizing normal management and administration in this territory. The thing is that we are dominated by a "centrifugal" control system (look at the map of Moscow: many circles connected by rays going to the center). For large areas, such a system does not work. We are convinced of this today. Compare the quality of life in the center, in Moscow, and somewhere on the periphery, say in Bratsk or, God forbid, in Oymyakon. The center consumes the resources of the periphery. This is the peculiarity of this system (it is also called the vertical of power). The Americans initially were dominated by local self-government (each state has its own laws), from which a network management system grew (look from space at New York). All centers of power here are equal (intersections of avenues and streets), each has the ability to make management decisions, which we never dreamed of. I am afraid that the fate of Alaska awaits Siberia. They do not even try to control it from Moscow, and this is impossible. Individual impulses are not counted. And California already speaks Spanish, incl. the Chinese will feel uncomfortable there, especially since they are settled in the States quite evenly, and not like our Uzbeks: only in the capitals.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 31 December 2013 14: 19
      +5
      Quote: 120352
      the money that was enough for the construction of Trranssib

      What dream did you have in this? The treasury of the Russian Empire did not receive a cent from this transaction. The story is very dirty and very dark.
      On October 16, 1866, the Russian flag was lowered in Alaska and the American flag was hoisted.
      The construction of this Trans-Siberian Railway was begun on May 19, 1891. S.W. Witte took loans for this construction in France.
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 31 December 2013 11: 52
    0
    Fantastic nonsense!
    I was generally struck by the countries participating in the division. Where did Russia, the EU, Japan and China go? But are Mexico and Canada still involved?
    What kind of economic and political monsters ???
  23. Boris63
    Boris63 31 December 2013 12: 15
    +3
    Futurism? Yes. But the collapse of the United States can take place at any time - as soon as the main creditors of amers want to repay their debts (this is almost half of the national debt), then a "centrifugal" movement will begin. But such a scenario is also practically impossible, since Americans can use a paraphrased Indian saying: A good creditor is a dead creditor. And so, they "help" us, why can't WE "help" them. According to the theory of "relativity" everything is possible.
    1. VADEL
      VADEL 31 December 2013 13: 06
      +5
      Once the Great Roman Empire was divided by barbarians. fellow
  24. Leshka
    Leshka 31 December 2013 12: 22
    +2
    they talk about it all year, but they don’t separate
  25. Semenov
    Semenov 31 December 2013 12: 23
    +5
    Parshev is a rather serious author (Russia vs. America is a bestseller). He is not a science fiction writer, but rather a futurologist (specialist in the future). Well, and on New Year's, why not dream about something pleasant in detail?
    1. oaziss
      oaziss 31 December 2013 12: 56
      0
      Quote: Semenov
      rather a futurologist (specialist in the future).

      It would be better if this "specialist in the future" specialized in Russia, then, perhaps, he could predict terrorist attacks.
      1. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 31 December 2013 14: 20
        +3
        Quote: oaziss
        could predict the attacks

        With this to London to Zakayev.
  26. 1goose3
    1goose3 31 December 2013 12: 35
    +1
    Quote: Panikovsky
    Quote: makarov
    And what to discuss ??? Whose fiction? Again hatred?

    Well, why, they feed the hopes of young men, they give joy to the elders.


    yes Well, Duc, amen.
  27. umah
    umah 31 December 2013 12: 38
    +1
    Good article, sorry not fresh. I read it about a year ago.
  28. nikolayur
    nikolayur 31 December 2013 12: 54
    +1
    The whole story of America is gangster, and colonists are gangsters from all over Europe, so most likely the kirdyk amerikosov is waiting)))) but when, this is a question
  29. waisson
    waisson 31 December 2013 12: 57
    +1
    I don’t believe it, but I would like to live to see it and drink a couple of charak to celebrate
  30. bubla5
    bubla5 31 December 2013 13: 12
    +1
    usa this, cesspool
    1. Iamfromrurik
      Iamfromrurik 31 December 2013 15: 24
      -9
      Quote: bubla5
      usa this, cesspool

      Then I don’t even know how to call the Russian Federation. There are no such words.
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    1. Corsair
      Corsair 31 December 2013 13: 48
      +4
      Quote: IamFromRurik
      Dear scattered and other Eurasians!

      Bestial video and commentary accompanying it ...
      1. Iamfromrurik
        Iamfromrurik 31 December 2013 13: 51
        -7
        Quote: Corsair
        Bestial video and commentary accompanying it ...

        No not bestial. Commentary and video, this is shit, which poke the nose, shitting the cat.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 31 December 2013 14: 28
          +1
          Quote: IamFromRurik
          No not bestial. Commentary and video, this is shit, which poke the nose, shitting the cat.

          And WHO are you to do this?
          Though before the darkened New Year we would have calmed down ...
  32. onizhe
    onizhe 31 December 2013 13: 48
    +3
    Unlikely. For any active opposition, hungry intellectuals are needed. They are not, because the American education system has taken care of this. It’s not that they didn’t have any intellectuals at all, they just are few, therefore they are not hungry. They are built into the system and will not ruin it. Most of the society, the education system does not adjust to independent intellectual activity, but only teaches you how to solve tests. This is useful for corporations, because many creators are not needed; for the vast majority of professions, simple performers are enough. People living at the level of reflexes and stereotypes do not like change, unless they push serious economic problems towards it.
  33. Stinger
    Stinger 31 December 2013 14: 11
    0
    I am not against political scientists, but not to the same extent.
  34. Arkan
    Arkan 31 December 2013 14: 19
    +1
    In the United States, as in Russia, the civil war has not yet ended. States will not fall apart as long as there is free circulation of weapons.
  35. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 31 December 2013 14: 36
    +1
    Based on the materials in the article, the collapse of the United States is not a prospect for the near future.
    There is no good reason, the impetus that in the near future may split this country.
    So far, this is just general dissatisfaction and grumble, the situation does not go beyond the norm, and even if there are prerequisites for this, the US special services will very quickly stop this, the latest security measures introduced in the United States confirm this.
    Politicians in the states (at the highest level) need votes (at least formally) according to the size of the population and the split of the country, they will resist using all the mechanisms of their power.
  36. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 31 December 2013 14: 37
    +3
    In fact, of course, the collapse of the United States is almost impossible. First, after all, the majority of Americans are “statesmen,” and are ready to maintain unity even with the use of nuclear weapons. Secondly, secession is a federal crime in the United States, in contrast to, say, the USSR, where the republics had the right to self-determination up to secession.

    The collapse of the United States is impossible, and the dismemberment of any number.
    It is worth the real separatists appear, with decisive leaders, and such will always be found, and the states will fall apart into a bunch of small staffs.
    As long as the country has relative economic and political stability, unity will be maintained. But how long will this stability last, with such external and internal debts?
    The USSR, contrary to the cries of the liberals, did not break up; it was forcibly dismembered from above, after a long secret preparation and deliberate destabilization of the economy.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 31 December 2013 15: 32
      -1
      How will this dismemberment change the situation in the world, in which direction is the question.
      Perhaps the world will fall into chaos and its consequences are unpredictable.
      I am not a supporter of US foreign policy, but in this situation, who will pay their public debt?
      Thanks to the "efforts" of our former finance minister, huge Russian money (our stabilization fund) has been invested in US government bonds.
      The collapse of the United States will not give Russia anything good. How long will anyone give to us?
      Certainly not a handful of small staffers, the governors (or whoever they have in charge there) will deny this and blame the federal government. They say they took it from you so let them give it back. Where then to look for them?
      1. Iamfromrurik
        Iamfromrurik 31 December 2013 17: 07
        -2
        Quote: wanderer_032
        The collapse of the United States will not give Russia anything good. How long will anyone give to us?

        Ahahahahaha! And the debt of the way will forgive, as it has forgiven tens of billions of dollars, all sorts of banana republics.
  37. misterwulf
    misterwulf 31 December 2013 15: 34
    +2
    In fact, the United States has a unique geopolitical position without "centers of gravity" near the borders, like any other state in the Old World. These "centers of gravity" are tearing apart empires. Or do not allow to live in peace.
    For Russia (for example), this is European civilization, the Turkic Islamic world, China ... For China, Russia, India, Indochina ... For Germany, the Slavic world, France, England and guest workers ... For the USA, this is not. On the other hand, they do not have immunity from this. Any European or Asian country lives and fights this century and millennium. But the United States is not familiar.
    So, if fermentation goes from the inside, they are not ready for this.
  38. I'm Russian
    I'm Russian 31 December 2013 16: 59
    +1
    And in the USA, now all white negroes are kissing ass and wiping squirrel ...
  39. Santa Fe
    Santa Fe 31 December 2013 18: 14
    0
    “United States of America”

    The tale is already 90 years old. Not tired?

    Conveyor F-35
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 1 January 2014 09: 38
      +3
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      The tale is already 90 years old. Not tired?

      Our "eternally alive" work was in 1915 "On the slogan of the United States of Europe". Less than 100 years have passed since - in 1999, 11 out of 15 countries of the European Union ... Do you remember?
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      Conveyor F-35

      Do you know anything about the engineering solutions of the said "F-35" "commanded" from the Soviet Yak-141? In 1991 (specifically in June) I watched the video of the Yak-141, and on December 7-8, 1991, three scum supposedly signed the "Belovezhsk agreement", the original of which was never seen by anyone except the "signers" themselves, but nevertheless USA gladly recognized them ... The development of Russia's defense capability Eban "was naturally not concerned and the Yak-141 project, like many beautiful projects, to the delight of your owners, died quietly.
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 1 January 2014 20: 09
      0
      Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
      The tale is already 90 years old. Not tired?

      In this tale, there was no Southeast Asia before.
      Automotive industry in China.
      Automotive products for the year
      Year Production (million)
      1992 1.0
      1999 1.2
      2000 2.07
      2001 2.33
      2002 3.25
      2003 4.44
      2004 5.07
      2005 5.71
      2006 7.28
      2007 8.88
      2008 9.35
      2009 13.79
      2010 18.06
      2011 18.42
      2012 19.27
      As a result, overgrown assembly lines in Detroit
  40. realstrannik
    realstrannik 31 December 2013 18: 23
    +2
    With UFO Solntsevo predicted the collapse of the United States in 2014

    People called, who also collided near the Ryshkovo station with a strange “policeman” in Soviet uniform. There were even more calls from readers who said that they had seen a UFO, and some claimed that they did communicate with abnormal guests. Not all smokers decided to introduce themselves. Apparently, out of fear that they would not be mistaken for madmen.

    But a resident of the Solntsevsky district, Alexei Fedosov, without hiding anything, told the story of how unusual visitors visited their village. Now Alexey Nikolaevich is a pensioner, in the past he worked as the chief engineer of a local state farm. “It happened in December 1990,” he recalls. - Closer to midnight on our street as if on command, all the dogs barked. And barking was like they were in serious danger. My wife and I jumped out into the street. Despite the late time, it was light around. The first thought is that somewhere there was a fire illuminating the village. But the light was different from the fire. What happened next, except in a fantastic dream, could be seen - a round silver plate hung like a “goose”, above us, only of enormous size. She screamed out of fear, then pulled herself together and gritted her teeth: “Be quiet, Fedya, don’t give a look what you are watching, otherwise they will recognize us as insane and send us to Sapogovo ...” But after a couple of minutes the whole street turned into a big buzzing beehive - so many people have come running from all over the village.

    - Look, look! - heard from all sides. - The flying saucer has come to us. Let's invite aliens to visit!

    Suddenly, a clear voice came from above: “Now is not the time, soon the Soviet Union will collapse!”

    There was silence, and the plate rose and quietly disappeared into the sky. The people stood looking up and afraid to even move ... Wow "prediction"!

    - Slowly people began to come to their senses. The neighbor decided to call the police. He called, and there he was told: “Do not add diphenhydramine to moonshine!” And they hung up. But most of the eyewitnesses of that unique event were non-drinkers, and I am among them! - Alexey Nikolaevich is still perplexed.

    After this incident, the inhabitants of the village were divided into two camps - those who saw the plate, and those whom this fate passed. The latter teased the former. Soon, they stopped talking about UFO visits, so as not to get into a psychiatric hospital or in the KGB: according to the will of the party, there could not be paranormal phenomena in the Soviet Union.

    The village returned to ordinary life. And a year later - in December 1991 - he again made a noise. The prediction of aliens came true - the USSR fell apart.

    A couple of years later, the story repeated. Bright light, silver plate ... This time the aliens predicted a war in Chechnya. When all this came true, the inhabitants of the village began to fear guests from outer space - they really did not want to know their future.

    A few months ago, the aliens again reminded of themselves, reporting the imminent collapse of the United States. It sounded something like this: "Great America will soon fall, and Russia will become the main country in the world." Isn't this the same many years ago the great clairvoyant Vanga predicted ?! Maybe the UFO prophecy will soon come true ..

    http://www.dddkursk.ru/number/991/planet/002448/

    in 2014, the United States will certainly fall apart under the blow of Russia !!

    eyzh: On December 8, 1991, the Belovezhskaya Agreement was signed, which can be safely called "the collapse of the USSR", it can also be a collapse, and it can also be a victory of the so-called October Revolution. By the way, according to the laws of the genre, the collapse of the United States in 2014 is inevitable !! Wait and see !!
    1. barbiturate
      barbiturate 1 January 2014 13: 43
      +1
      what nonsense))
      1. alone
        alone 1 January 2014 19: 36
        0
        Quote: barbiturate
        what nonsense))

        laughing laughing not some, but just antique nonsense, in fairness it should be noted that not everyone would think to write something like that. You also need to have talent))) laughing
  41. realstrannik
    realstrannik 31 December 2013 18: 49
    +1






    ZATO Fokino, Primorsky Territory. North 132.51 East 42.91 April 2012


    Village Timofeevka, Samara region January 2013


    UFO over the Pripyat River, the city of Mazyr January 2013


    UFO over Odessa January 2013
  42. realstrannik
    realstrannik 31 December 2013 19: 09
    0
    etc. etc.
  43. mad
    mad 31 December 2013 20: 01
    0
    The words of the author, to God in the ears! The main thing is that the "vigorous button" remains at the white territory. Rainbow and all sorts of negro latinos are very inadequate in their actions.
  44. Stasi
    Stasi 31 December 2013 21: 11
    +4
    Whether the United States decays or not, the future will tell. Most importantly, what will Russia be able to get from this? Will she be able not only to regain Alaska but take the place of world leader? Of course, we will remain rivals with China, and in some ways it will be stronger than the USA. But the first time after the collapse of America, both China and Russia and the rest of the world will be busy sharing the American inheritance. Anyone who can take the most significant and tidbits to himself will be able to dictate his will in world politics. To achieve this, you need to act faster and more decisively than your competitors, not afraid to use force if necessary.
  45. DPN
    DPN 1 January 2014 01: 13
    0
    There is probably nothing to discuss, but the fact that the tower faces the collapse of the state is a matter of respect.
    In Russia, state awards are rushing for this, but one can understand their selfish interest, otherwise, Russia could not be steered.
  46. Papania
    Papania 1 January 2014 03: 07
    0
    I agree that there is nothing to suck this bone ... In my opinion, we ourselves will bury ourselves. And cementing nuclear weapons will not help, it helped the USSR a lot.
  47. Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 January 2014 07: 18
    0
    Dreams, dreams ... Yes, the government will rather quietly kill the leaders of these rebels, rather than go to separation.
  48. kaktus
    kaktus 1 January 2014 10: 42
    0
    Russia owned not only Alaska, but also California ... laughing
  49. Rotmistr8892
    Rotmistr8892 1 January 2014 13: 05
    +1
    As it turned out back in 1949, America had a plan for the collapse of the USSR, and who knows what is going on on the sidelines of power, olaverds can be prepared. And an article to let the fog get bigger.
  50. Nikotin13
    Nikotin13 1 January 2014 14: 32
    0
    Some parallels can be made with the situation in Argentina. Of course, this is not about the collapse of the country, but the fact that the white guy feeds and contains the black one (here they are called negros, villeros) is very similar to the states. I already I’ve heard conversations about the Civil War for several years in a row, and although the Argentines are a very peaceful people, everyone has weapons. And the limit of patience, too ...