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Pentagon worried about nuclear fighters

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Pentagon worried about nuclear fightersRecently, the American news agency Associated Press (AP) got a draft of an unpublished study of the US Air Force RAND brainstorming about the situation in the Air Force missile units responsible for the maintenance and launch of 450 XBR MINNEMAN 3. As it turned out, the state of discipline and morale of servicemen holding their fingers on the red buttons to launch nuclear missiles leaves much to be desired than it actually is. At the same time, as the experts of the corporation have found out, the Air Force Command has so far been rather poorly informed about the true state of affairs in the missile forces entrusted to it.


FIRST SWALLOWN HANDS

Several years ago there were several incidents in the US Air Force nuclear forces. At the end of the 2007 of the year, 52 cruise missiles were installed on the B-12 bomber, which he was to transport from the US Air Force Base Minot (North Dakota) to the Barksdale (Louisiana) base. The personnel who inspected the missiles before shipment ignored a number of checks, resulting in the unnoticed replacement of six missiles from training warheads to warheads with thermonuclear warheads destined for disposal. Until the end of the flight did not know about it and the bomber pilots. It was later established that the incident was caused by the actions of officials who prepared the plane for departure. They considered that the missiles transported by the bomber were not equipped with nuclear warheads. After thorough investigations, 70 people received various disciplinary actions, and five officers were dismissed from service.

In March 2008 of the year, it became known that two years ago, the Pentagon’s corresponding services “by mistake” sent four mini-ICBM “Minuteman” fuses to Taiwan instead of the ordered rechargeable batteries for helicopters. The fuses supplied to Formosa are a component of a fuse for a nuclear warhead mounted on this silo-based ICBM. Despite the fact that the technology of production of fuses was developed in the 60-s, it is still under the heading of secrecy.

According to the American media, in the middle of 2008, another event was unacceptable for the rocket forces. The two senior lieutenants and the captain fell asleep while on duty at the electronic control panel, with the help of which the launches of intercontinental nuclear missiles were monitored.

All of these cases have been thoroughly investigated by a number of commissions. Experts concluded that all of these violations were due to the failure of the personnel responsible for maintaining the missiles at the required level of alert and their launches, instructions and instructions, which they should strictly follow.

In connection with all these violations, Air Force Minister Michael Wynn and Chief of Staff Michael Mousley left office in the middle of 2008. And at the end of this year, it was decided to create the Global Air Force Global Strike Command (AFGSC), which began its operations in the summer of 2009. The composition of this command, the main task of which is to control the ground and air components of the nuclear triad, included nuclear components from the Combat Aviation Command and the US Air Force Space Command to increase its effectiveness.

The results of the latest study of the state of affairs in the rocket forces of the Air Force were published this spring. On the instructions of the Scientific Council of the Ministry of Defense (NSMO), it was conducted by a specialized group of experts who studied all aspects of the state of affairs in the nuclear units of the Air Force, including the quality of the performance of military duties by the military.

The specialists found that the units of the nuclear missile forces of the Air Force are not sufficiently staffed, and the professional level of many specialists involved in serving ICBMs and those on duty at their launch consoles does not fully meet the requirements for the professional level of personnel training, which are determined by the statutes, instructions and instructions kind of troops.

The recommendations developed by the NSMO experts indicate that the Assistant Minister of Defense for nuclear, chemical and biological programs, together with the leadership of the Air Force and Navy, should review and correct the instruction of the Defense Ministry on the implementation of the Nuclear Weapons Personnel Reliability Program (PRP) and to ensure its rigorous implementation by commanders of all degrees, managing military personnel of nuclear troops, as well as formulate clear and effective requirements for determining suitability to the service of all military and civilian personnel of these units.

The Minister and the Chief of Staff of the Air Force must take measures so that all the commanders of the nuclear units regularly report to the higher authorities on the fulfillment of the requirements of this instruction. In addition, it is necessary to ensure that the commanders of the US Air Force units in Europe, the Air Force rear command, the Air Force global strike command, the Air Force Inspectorate Directorate, and the MoD threat reduction command realize that the purpose of checking the health status of military personnel solving nuclear tasks suitability for service, and not the search for individual violations due to their moral and psychological condition. The certificate of conformity received by servicemen must confirm that they are fully capable of performing their functional duties.

STATUS OF ROCKET FORCES

According to the latest data of the Inspector General of the Defense Ministry, in the troops, including the Air Force, the level of discipline and morale of the military personnel is not sufficient, and even deteriorates. In addition, the number of crimes committed by the military, also remains unacceptably large. First of all, this concerned the Strategic Missile Forces of the Air Force. There was also some deterioration in the relationship between the male and female half of military units. Therefore, in the spring of 2013, the leadership of the Air Force instructed the RAND Corporation to investigate the situation in the missile forces for three months and make recommendations on how to remedy the unfavorable situation with crime, morality and discipline.

As noted in the study, the number of cases of misconduct rocket in the military tribunals in the 2011 and 2012 years was two times more than in the Air Force as a whole. However, after submitting a draft of the research project to journalists of the AR news agency, the leadership of the Air Force showed them statistical data showing that in recent months there has been a certain tendency to reduce the number of cases of rocket officers considered in the tribunals, but their number still remains higher than in the Air Force generally. The number of crimes per thousand rocket troops in the 2011 – 2012 years decreased from the 21 person and reached a statistical indicator in the 12,4 person. But this figure is still higher than in other formations of the Air Force.

The number of administrative punishments, including verbal reprimands and written orders for the punishment of bullying behavior and other violations of military discipline in the units of the rocket forces, in these years was also higher than in other formations of this type of US Armed Forces.

As stated by the Air Force experts, all these facts introduce a new dimension to the emerging picture of the ailing state of the strategic missile forces, that part of the United States Air Force, which was still considered an elite and now faced with an uncertain future.

Experts of the corporation found that a very fraught with the worst consequences poisonous mixture of moral dissatisfaction and a drop in motivation for serving personnel was greatly aggravated by the military’s awareness of underestimating their activities, professional overload and the constant risk of lack of professional skills, which could lead to non-fulfillment of their tasks.

Deployed on missile bases remote from cities and rarely brought to the attention of the public, units of the nuclear forces hardly attracted the attention of ordinary Americans. However, this year the Associated Press documented that sequence of mistakes in the actions of the command of this most important type of US national security for the Armed Forces, which calls into question its ability to control these forces.

Last winter, RAND specialists conducted a survey about 100 specialists from the rocket forces divisions. The survey involved officers who were directly responsible for launching ICBMs, military personnel of units that ensure the safety of positions of rocket launchers, subdivisions of logistics and logistics, as well as other structures that ensure the functioning of troops on rocket bases. In addition, respondents answered confidentially to questions compiled by experts of the corporation. In the course of these interviews, analysts of the corporation found that the military personnel of these troops are not very satisfied with their service activities, they are concerned about the shortage of personnel required by the staffing table. In addition, their dissatisfaction was caused by the shortcomings of the equipment being operated, as well as the extremely tough forms of management of their service activities by commanders of various degrees.

Every day, the 90 officers responsible for launching the 3 Minuteman missiles are on duty at the underground launch control centers. At each point, there are two officers controlling 10 ICBMs armed with one or more nuclear warheads.

The researchers also found that many specialists of the rocket forces are in a psychological state, which they called “burnout”. This concept, in the context of the report, introduced by leading psychologist “RAND”, a specialist in behavioral studies and one of the leading authors of the study, Chaitra Hardison, means that personnel feel they have completely exhausted their functional capabilities, are unfair in their duties and do not perform their tasks effectively . The psychologist used a rating scale for the responses of respondents who ranged from 1 to 7 points. Asked questions respondents answered in the range of "never" to "always." Each answer was assigned a certain score. According to this scale, the respondents themselves evaluated the answers to the question - how often did they experience certain feelings in their activities, including tiredness, hopelessness, or falling into hopeless conditions? Receiving answers with four balls or higher meant that the subject simply “burned out” in the service, that is, he lost due interest to her.

One of the servicemen during the survey said: “We are not at all interested in whether things are going properly. We just don't want to get in trouble. ” He and all others who participated in the study were assured of full confidentiality by RAND’s specialists with frank answers to the questions asked.

13 officers from the direct launching units of ICBMs who volunteered to take part in the study received an average 4,4 score on the Hardison scale. Of the rank and file members of the rocket launcher security units, 20 had a similar score, that is, the military personnel of these categories “burned out” more than all the other respondents.

Chief of Staff of the Air Force, General Mark Welsh, told the AR that today the missile forces are firmly on their feet and are effectively carrying out their tasks. “We have been doing everything right for a long time and will continue to do so for a long time,” the general said.

During the Cold War, the US strategic nuclear forces were considered the main force holding back the possibility of the start of the third world war and the destruction of humanity. Today such a danger is minimized. America's strategic nuclear forces and the number of warheads on their weapons have decreased significantly. Russia also reduced a significant number of nuclear warheads and their carriers. Therefore, the leadership of the Air Force of America is trying to show only the relative suitability of obsolete ICBMs to ensure national security in the world, more concerned with terrorism and cyber warfare, and also passing on to such types weapons XXI century, as unmanned aerial vehicles.

When will the final version of this study, it is not entirely clear. It is currently being finalized and some controversial issues are being clarified. However, one thing is clear: the leadership of the Air Force will have to work hard to bring the air and ground units assigned to it to the proper form, equipped with ICBMs.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 2 January 2014 10: 12
    +25
    "Mess" he is a "mess" ... we need to learn from others' MISTAKES and DO NOT REPEAT THEM WITH YOURSELF ... repeat
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 2 January 2014 11: 38
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      "Mess" he is a "mess" ... we need to learn FROM OTHER'S MISTAKES and DO NOT REPEAT THEM WITH YOURSELF ..

      Alas, this is not working out for us yet. Take at least Russian Railways, the problem is the same.
      The experts found that the units of the Air Force's nuclear missile forces are not adequately staffed, and the professional level of many specialists involved in servicing ICBMs and who are on duty at their launch panels does not fully meet the requirements for the professional level of personnel training,
      They underwent optimization, reduced staff, that is, hard workers, recruited temporary workers who die in bundles under the trains, every month there are telegrams about the state of emergency, everyone reads, signs, commissions are checked, and the death rate on the railway is increasing. Because they are not cutting those who need it, engineers in offices are growing in proportion to laid-off hard workers. Everything is the same with us as in the USA. Money is taxing.
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 2 January 2014 12: 10
        +5
        It is already obvious that the United States is not able to service its own military machine, and the same thing happened with the same thing as with the USSR. They won the arms race, but got a heart attack at the finish line.
        If the USSR competed with the United States and NATO, now the United States is competing with itself, namely, different groups of arms lobbyists push their projects, forcing the United States to work hard. And the latest developments to use against aborigines with AK-47
        1. askarlad
          askarlad 2 January 2014 20: 20
          +1
          The United States would have long ago calmed down and slept, woke up and solved its internal problems. But they cannot, because every minute of sleep this minute of wakefulness of his enemy. Now, until the dermocratic heart stops, it will be so. Something like that. )
        2. bif
          bif 3 January 2014 15: 38
          +2
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          It’s already obvious that the US is not able to service its own war machine

          This condition has long been called "Monkey with a grenade"
      2. family tree
        family tree 2 January 2014 12: 24
        +3
        Quote: Sirocco
        Engineering in the offices is growing in proportion to the laid-off workers.

        I will add that the number of offices is also growing, and this mantra: "Despite the measures taken, the situation with labor protection at the enterprises of Russian Railways, etc.", nothing but swearing does not cause businessmen to address them.
        1. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 2 January 2014 14: 06
          +5
          Quote: perepilka
          also the number of offices is growing

          Parkinson's first law

          Work fills the time allotted to her.
          This law has two driving forces:
          - the official seeks to multiply subordinates, not rivals;
          - officials create work for each other.

          Parkinson also noted that the total number of employees in the bureaucracy grew by 5-7% per year, regardless of any changes in the volume of required work (if any).
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 5 January 2014 00: 40
            +2
            Well, here we will give staff a big head start. I mean the number of officials per capita. In this indicator, we are in second place after Brussels. fellow
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    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 2 January 2014 14: 01
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      "Mess" he is a "mess" ... we need to learn from others' MISTAKES and DO NOT REPEAT THEM WITH YOURSELF ... repeat


      We have enough of our own. For example, it is very common practice to substitute guards on duty at the mines.

      An example from my practice is drunken from a number of local rods for fencing, and an operative duty officer on a connection instead of a clear order disconnects the power from the electric start of the machine gun. Freaks all the same that they don’t care about the perimeter that they can kill, they’re bugging in Peugeot, they need to cut their way, or else they’ll go home far ... At the end of the sentry, half of the guard leaves for Kitschman, the senior detachment gets a planer, and the operative jumps off like a hero. And what do you think we are doing better in such a situation ???
      1. datolith
        datolith 5 January 2014 17: 20
        0
        Can be more.
  2. Canep
    Canep 2 January 2014 10: 14
    +1
    Why the United States needs nuclear weapons, I won’t be surprised if most of the duty personnel cannot launch a rocket. It seems that the Americans Strategic Missile Forces this place of exile once ... ev.
  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 2 January 2014 10: 20
    +14
    the Yankees completely relaxed after the "victory" over the USSR fool it’s time, it’s time in the United Nations to raise the issue of depriving Amers of all types of amers, otherwise these half-planet half-planet will endure. not out of spite, out of spite
  4. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 2 January 2014 10: 31
    +5
    Yes, if the article is even a tenth true, then I begin to prepare the bunker. Well, how do they push the wrong button now?
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 2 January 2014 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      then I start to prepare the bunker.

      I dug it already. It remains to concrete tongue
      1. Mature naturalist
        Mature naturalist 2 January 2014 14: 08
        +6
        Quote: andrei332809
        I already dug

        How to behave during a nuclear explosion?
        - Wrap yourself in a sheet and crawl into the cemetery ...
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 2 January 2014 16: 05
          +2
          Quote: Mature Naturalist
          How to behave during a nuclear explosion?

          "during a nuclear explosion, hold the machine gun at outstretched hands so that the molten metal does not drip onto the boots, does not spoil state property" wassat
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    2. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 2 January 2014 10: 39
      +5
      Quote: Alex_Popovson
      Yes, if the article is even a tenth true, then I begin to prepare the bunker. Well, how do they push the wrong button now?

      The bunker does not need to be prepared. The protection system is multilevel so that they are protected from morons by now. The main thing is that the virus does not climb there!
      1. VAS 84
        VAS 84 2 January 2014 11: 07
        +3
        Recently, it seems that they have fools at every level. smile
      2. AVV
        AVV 2 January 2014 12: 11
        +1
        These are serious types of weapons and it’s dangerous to allow inadequate people to work with them, otherwise it will be very expensive not only for America, but for all mankind !!!
      3. novobranets
        novobranets 2 January 2014 17: 43
        -3
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        The main thing is that the virus does not climb there!

        And nobody entered the felt boots. Throwing boots into the console is the favorite entertainment of the duty crew. laughing
        1. andrei332809
          andrei332809 2 January 2014 17: 49
          +2
          Quote: novobranets
          Throwing boots into the console is a favorite entertainment on duty crew.
  5. AK-47
    AK-47 2 January 2014 10: 31
    +6
    It turns out that not only the nuclear weapon itself poses a threat to peace, but also the mental state of the maintenance staff, they survived.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 2 January 2014 10: 48
      +6
      Quote: AK-47
      It turns out that not only the nuclear weapon itself poses a threat to peace, but also the mental state of the maintenance staff, they survived.

      And this has always been one of the main issues of the Strategic Missile Forces, which always paid great attention to the psychological state of the forces on duty.
  6. StolzSS
    StolzSS 2 January 2014 10: 34
    +7
    For a long time, it's time to take their nuclear weapons under international control, you know)) laughing
    1. family tree
      family tree 2 January 2014 12: 51
      +4
      Quote: StolzSS
      For a long time, it's time to take their nuclear weapons under international control, you know)) laughing

      Maybe it's better to just take what , well, in the sense of picking yourself up laughing
  7. makarov
    makarov 2 January 2014 10: 39
    +6
    according to the above material, it corresponds that if our soldier is called a gouging, then the gouging comes out at the Americans, squared ... or even in a cube !!
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 2 January 2014 10: 52
      +5
      Quote: makarov
      according to the above material, it corresponds that if our soldier is called a gouging, then the gouging comes out at the Americans, squared ... or even in a cube !!

      not at all. it turns out that our last gouging would have been a model of discipline and integrity among the Yankees
    2. poquello
      poquello 2 January 2014 20: 01
      +2
      in the pentagon
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  8. rpek32
    rpek32 2 January 2014 11: 03
    +4
    children! you need to collect your commission from military experts and establish control over their strategic missile forces once they do not know how to handle nuclear genie
  9. Boris63
    Boris63 2 January 2014 11: 12
    +12
    When half of the states "sit" on antidepressants, then the army is likely even more "in relation". The recruitment to the US army leaves much to be desired: foreigners for the sake of citizenship, someone instead of a "prison", the "lower" strata of society for the sake of education (which sometimes never get), the compote turns out to be "thermonuclear".
  10. FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 2 January 2014 11: 19
    +1
    Yes, and their drill is lame! On the parade ground with rags, wipe the puddles!
    1. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 2 January 2014 14: 14
      +3
      Quote: Former Mariman
      Yes, and their drill is lame!

      I sailed on a cruise ship in the Caribbean. One day, a small island, such as Trinidad and Tobago, moored in the port. Near our pier was the base of the United States. The ship was large - 18 decks, it was clearly visible from above.
      So these guys (American soldiers from the base) were running very smoothly with chants "boxes". Not drill, of course, just morning exercises.
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  11. alone
    alone 2 January 2014 11: 23
    0
    everyone has such blunders. Americans are no exception. I remembered about 2-3 months ago I read an article here where it was written that drug addicts were not taken to the Strategic Missile Forces anymore. According to the words, it turned out that they were taken to the Strategic Missile Forces before. So, there’s much joy in this I do not see.
  12. stroporez
    stroporez 2 January 2014 12: 14
    +2
    probably, when they climb into other people's nuclear programs, they judge by themselves. I think that everyone has such a mess ...
  13. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 2 January 2014 12: 25
    +6
    According to the latest data from the inspector general of the Ministry of Defense, the troops, including the Air Force, remain at an insufficient level and even the discipline and morale of the military personnel is deteriorating. Besides, the number of crimes committed by the military also remains unacceptably large. First of all, this concerned the Strategic Missile Forces of the Air Force. There was also some deterioration in relations between the male and female half of the military units.

    All US foreign policy activity over the past 100 years is a continuous crime of their special services, army and navy. If the Yankees hadn’t nuclear weapons in many countries, the call would have long been accepted.
  14. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 2 January 2014 12: 30
    +2
    US Senate approves army rape bill

    The Upper House of the U.S. Parliament has sent a bill to U.S. President Barack Obama to end sexual violence in the U.S. armed forces. According to Pentagon official statistics, over the 2012 year, 26 of thousands of soldiers could become victims of violence in the army. According to the Associated Press, the Senator 84 voted for the bill, while only 15 voted against.
    The law stipulates that the military command will not have the right to review the decisions of the jury in cases of rape in the army. Commanders will not be involved in decisions to refer serious crimes to court, including cases of sexual violence. If the military refuses to investigate, cases can be referred to civil lawyers.

    According to the document, all the military, who will be found guilty of sexual harassment, will have to decline in rank or even be expelled from the American army. Under the new law, military personnel who are victims of violence will be provided with lawyers. A civil revision of military court decisions is envisaged.
    For cases of sexual violence in the army, the statute of limitations is canceled, and a separate criminal article is introduced for attempts to retaliate against people who have reported what happened. The authors of the bill also propose to cancel the lengthy collection of testimonies from victims, which is more like interrogation.

    Extent of the problem

    According to the Pentagon, only last year, 26 thousand soldiers could become victims of sexual violence in the army. Until now, the conduct of the proceedings in such cases has fallen to the commanders of the units where the incident took place. They often “put things on the brakes”, not wanting to draw additional attention to their units and to severely punish soldiers who had a higher rank than their victims.
    A recent Pentagon official report said that the number of reports of cases of sexual violence in the US military over the past year has increased by 46%. “In connection with the ongoing reforms in the US Armed Forces system, people have the opportunity to report this without fear of any consequences, which, most likely, led to such an increase in statistics,” the report says, excerpts from which Associated Press
    According to statistics provided by the Pentagon, from October 2012 to June 2013, 3553 complaints were recorded for sexual crimes, while the number of such complaints last year amounted to more than 2434 in the same period. Thus, this year there was an increase in the number of such messages by 46%, and in all military branches, including the ground, navy and air forces.
    Earlier, US President Barack Obama has repeatedly said that crimes of a sexual nature jeopardize discipline in the army. The Pentagon also promised to tighten liability and strengthen the mechanism for detecting violations. On Friday 20 December, the president demanded that the military department solve the problem of rape over the coming year.
  15. 31231
    31231 2 January 2014 12: 43
    +3
    Bgg. The soldier is sleeping - the service is on. Yeah, dampens idleness. And the moral and ethical standards in the West are no longer the same. If homosexuality is held in high esteem, what can we say about spirituality.
  16. vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx 2 January 2014 13: 04
    +19
    You can offer them your services for the storage of these ammunition repeat


    One woman worked for 20 years in Moscow at a samovar plant, but during this time she was not able to acquire a samovar. Desperate, she writes a letter to the management: I have worked for 20 years at the samovar factory, but I still do not have a samovar. After some time, the answer comes: Dear! Unfortunately,
    we cannot help you in acquiring a samovar. But taking into account your work experience and your merits, we allow you, as an exception, to take one piece of work home a day from work and assemble a samovar yourself.
    Two years later, the woman writes a letter again: I am in despair.
    I did everything as you wrote. Every day I brought one detail from work. And what I have as a result: in my garden there are two SS20 missiles, but still I still don’t have a samovar.
  17. Rus2012
    Rus2012 2 January 2014 13: 33
    +3
    designated for disposal. Until the end of the flight, bomber pilots did not know about this. It was later established that the cause of the incident was the actions of officials who were preparing the plane for departure. They considered that the missiles transported by the bomber were not equipped with nuclear warheads.

    ... it was possible to laugh, since this was not so sad ...

    Comrade Beria L.P. at one time he created for our Air Force and Strategic Missile Forces such an impeccable system of storage and delivery of nuclear weapons to the troops that such an outrage observed in the Yankees is, in principle, impossible! Who does not know, let him try to negotiate with the "deaf and dumb" bully laughing
    1. clidon
      clidon 2 January 2014 15: 47
      +5
      And what is going on there on duty at the "deaf-dumb", only "deaf-dumb" know. ) However, discipline is such that it no longer depends on the ghost of Beria, but on the specific commander.
  18. homosum20
    homosum20 2 January 2014 14: 10
    0
    Here, from time to time, conventional weapons depots are torn. In if in the states the nuclear warehouse will explode. Not until the jokes will be.
    1. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 2 January 2014 14: 25
      0
      Quote: homosum20
      In if in the states the nuclear warehouse will explode.

      Not mine.
      It predicts Artyom Dragunov - http://artemdragunov.livejournal.com/tag/%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BD
      Especially I will give a list of events viewed until the end of 2014 approximately ...
      dec. 11, 2013
      A major incident or emergency with a nuclear. In terms of comparable with Chernobyl and Fukushima. Most likely American or British...
      dec. 28, 2013
      As I already wrote, in 2014 the third Chernobyl awaits us

      Wait and see...
      1. clidon
        clidon 2 January 2014 15: 45
        +4
        The most interesting thing is that after nothing happens in 2014, Artyom Dragunov will predict and analyze further as if nothing had happened. ) He is not the first, not the last of the crookers.
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    3. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 2 January 2014 21: 51
      +2
      Quote: homosum20
      Here, from time to time, conventional weapons depots are torn. In if in the states the nuclear warehouse will explode. Not until the jokes will be.

      Our warehouses are not torn by themselves, they are not always properly blown up. Spontaneous detonation of the ammunition depot is excluded by 100%, the explosives are stored separately from the explosives, and the explosives do not explode without detonators.
      And the Yankees disasters with nuclear weapons occurred many times both in the territory of the USA and in the territory of other countries.
      http://ru.znatock.com/docs/index-3137.html
      1. clidon
        clidon 2 January 2014 22: 18
        0
        Considering how often ammunition is stored in our warehouses, I wouldn’t make a guess at 100%. Banal fire and just catch it.
        Well, everyone who uses nuclear weapons has problems ... Well, this cannot be avoided.
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 3 January 2014 09: 23
          0
          Quote: clidon
          Considering how often ammunition is stored in our warehouses, I wouldn’t guess at 100% percent. A banal fire and just catch it. Well, everyone who uses nuclear weapons has problems ... Well, this cannot be avoided.

          Ammunition in warehouses is stored as expected, according to the instructions, there has always been strict supervision over this even in the 90 years. There can be no banal and other fires at explosive storage facilities even theoretically, without special arson, of course.
          When storekeepers need to hide a weapon leak, a "fireball" flies into the warehouse and, first of all, mines, grenades, grenade launchers, machine guns, assault rifles, pistols, and ammunition sets are burned out without a trace.
          Something I don’t remember, that in the USSR planes lost atomic bombs in flight.
          1. clidon
            clidon 3 January 2014 09: 44
            +1
            Well, you just do not know the problem ...
            Moreover, as you sacredly believe that the soldiers "do not smoke", the wiring is done only perfectly and is always checked by qualified electricians, etc.
            There were problems with storage even during the Soviet era (because negligence, chronic underfunding and general oversaturation with ancient ammunition even in those days arranged surprises), and in the 90s, when echelons from the West began to arrive in thousands, everything was often just thrown "as is" and weapons and ammunition.

            Something I don’t remember, that in the USSR planes lost atomic bombs in flight.

            In the USSR, the practice of flying with nuclear weapons on board was not accepted. But the submarines compensated for this ...

            PS About "quality" storage:
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            2. Corsair5912
              Corsair5912 3 January 2014 09: 56
              -2
              Quote: clidon
              There were problems with storage even during the Soviet era (because negligence, chronic underfunding and general oversaturation with ancient ammunition even in those days arranged surprises), and in the 90s, when echelons from the West began to arrive in thousands, everything was often just thrown "as is" and weapons and ammunition.

              I am talking about stationary base depots, not temporary dumps and the movement of ammunition. By the way, in the 90, from the west, ammunition was not taken out either by trains or wagons, and there is not a warehouse in your picture, but something incomprehensible, like a garbage dump.
              1. clidon
                clidon 3 January 2014 11: 29
                +1
                Do you think that millions of tons of ammunition were all removed to some kind of "temporary" storage? Everything was simpler, they were simply dumped into the territory of the base arsenals, they were compacted, they put maximum canopies and go ahead.
                By the way, in the 90s from the west, ammunition was not taken out either by trains or by cars,

                "Hello" In the 90s, troops were massively withdrawn both from the Western Group of Forces and from the territory of the CIS countries, plus they were sharply reduced in number. And the ammunition didn't go anywhere.

                and there’s not a warehouse in your picture, but something incomprehensible, like a garbage dump.

                So I say that you have pink ideas about the quality of ammunition storage.
                Here at this link you can see this "dump" more clearly:
                http://lols.ru/interesnoe/32356-odin-sklad-boepripasov-v-rf-9-foto.html
              2. eagle11
                eagle11 4 January 2014 13: 15
                0
                They took out and took out at a frantic pace. And when there was another wave of layoffs in the early 2000s, some of the warehouses equipped at the highest level were reduced (LenVO). "Vooruzhenets", described how the missiles were brought from such a warehouse to be disbanded to Sablino. The elder asked: "Where to unload?" The answer to him: "Fold to the side of the road." Senior: "Guys, I’m not joking, we’re in part for a temperature deviation of 2 degrees from the set in the storehouse."
                He did not believe, poor fellow, that he was not being played. And such bases and warehouses ...
            3. datolith
              datolith 5 January 2014 17: 34
              0
              Storage was not conceived of all of course ammunition.
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  19. Stinger
    Stinger 2 January 2014 14: 41
    +6
    The swan was right. A mess is not a lack of order. This is a specially organized order.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 3 January 2014 09: 35
      +1
      Quote: Stinger
      The swan was right. A mess is not a lack of order. This is a specially organized order.

      Alexander Lebed did not say anything about the mess, he said - Stupidity is not the absence of mind, it is such a mind.
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  20. Alf
    Alf 2 January 2014 15: 06
    +2
    Quote: homosum20
    . In if in the states the nuclear warehouse will explode.

    It is high time. Or maybe help?
  21. Arkan
    Arkan 2 January 2014 15: 11
    -3
    And what do you order the servicemen in the distant garrison to do? So they are "having fun" as they can.
  22. clidon
    clidon 2 January 2014 15: 43
    0
    This is impossible in our country first of all because of the regime of secrecy. There were some shoals, so no one drags dirty linen from the hut, everything remains for memories in a narrow circle ...
  23. avg
    avg 2 January 2014 16: 11
    +4
    I read the comments and realized that the people were in a benevolent New Year mood. With what all and congratulations! drinks The main thing is that our bowl. the Strategic Missile Forces didn’t feel good, but to attack the Amers.
  24. individual
    individual 2 January 2014 17: 23
    0
    Well, if the US Air Force rangers "burned out" in the service, which threatens the WORLD, but far from us, then I can imagine how the Pakistani keepers of the nuclear "button" are serving, where the power is not stable and the Taliban merges with al-Qaeda.
    А it is at the southern borders of Russia and our community.
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 2 January 2014 19: 50
      0
      Quote: individ
      how the Pakistani keepers of the nuclear "button" serve,

      they have "buttons" - spaced in time and space by more than half a day, if not more ...
  25. pvv113
    pvv113 2 January 2014 18: 20
    +7
    Quote: makarov
    according to the material stated, it corresponds that if our soldier is called a gouge, then the Amerikosians get a gouge in the square ... or even in the cube!
    OUR GUNS THERE WOULD BE EXCELLENTS OF BATTLE AND POLITICAL fellow
  26. zheleznyack
    zheleznyack 2 January 2014 18: 37
    -9
    It turns out, at any moment I’m waiting for a rocket from mattresses, nishtyak! And you were expecting this from Puto. And actually you didn’t expect anything else, it’s not the president of RUSSIA, a mattress prostitute .......
  27. konvalval
    konvalval 2 January 2014 19: 33
    +1
    They already just ate their ear from their "exclusivity".
  28. Salamander
    Salamander 3 January 2014 00: 33
    +1
    Thinking about, any American superweapon for some reason actually turned out to be something ... different ... not as formidable as it was imagined ...
  29. HAM
    HAM 3 January 2014 09: 12
    +2
    They show Russian cosmonauts and military drunk and hats with earflaps in their films, now it’s clear that they took off their nature.
  30. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 3 January 2014 09: 31
    +2

    Sirocco
    Engineering in the offices is growing in proportion to the laid-off workers.

    You are mistaken, dear. In the management of enterprises, over the years, there has been a replacement of engineers with MEEEEE managers who do not understand anything about a particular production, but fingers - like a fan, "guide" until the enterprise is completely exhausted. It seems that they were spawned for this ...
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 3 January 2014 09: 48
      +1
      Quote: ia-ai00
      You are mistaken, dear. In the management of enterprises, over the years, there has been a replacement of engineers with MEEEEE managers who do not understand anything about a particular production, but fingers - like a fan, "guide" until the enterprise is completely exhausted. It seems that they were spawned for this ...

      Fashion is now like that for menagers, the American word, a symbol of success.
      It is believed that the doctor can work and, the main thing is to lead and direct - one hard worker, build in two lines!
      It is believed that the team should set the task, as Ivanushka the fool, to erect a palace with heating and lighting in one night, without material, financial and personnel support for the construction, how everything will form by itself.
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    3. clidon
      clidon 3 January 2014 11: 33
      0
      I would say so, the number of engineers and managers is growing. Moreover, it is sometimes difficult to distinguish the former from the latter.
  31. blizart
    blizart 3 January 2014 14: 31
    +1
    The army is a cast of society, it seems that the Rusurs received from the collapse of the USSR are coming to an end