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China and Russia will develop advanced military technology together

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China and Russia will develop advanced military technology together



China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation CASIC (China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation) has signed a cooperation agreement with the Russian industrial group “Russian Technologies” in the field of defense technologies, reports janes.com on December 19 (in the photo the moment of signing the agreement - comment "Military Parity").

A press release from CASIC from December 17 states that the agreement provides for cooperation in 33 projects in the development of engines, composite materials, optoelectronics, search and detection and reconnaissance systems.

No other details were disclosed, but the Chinese company stressed that the agreement is an example of increased cooperation, which was established in 2010 year. The statement says: "This is the next step to deepen industrial cooperation between the two enterprises."

The CASIC agreement with the Russian Technologies group is aimed at strengthening cooperation in the joint development of new technologies, in contrast to their direct import from Russia.
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http://www.janes.com/article/31821/casic-and-russian-technologies-agree-to-defence-collaboration
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  2. Alex_Popovson
    Alex_Popovson 30 December 2013 07: 42
    +1
    Apparently it’s sad for all of us, since the Chinese are hobbling. These bastards will now be in space too. There was no sadness
    1. bask
      bask 30 December 2013 07: 52
      -1
      Quote: _Popovson
      China and Russia will develop advanced military technology together

      But this is absolutely impossible to do.
      China has territorial claims to Russia.
      Only with India.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 30 December 2013 08: 00
        +5
        Quote: Alex_Popovson
        Apparently it’s sad for all of us, since the Chinese are hobbling. These bastards will now be in space too. There was no sadness

        Oh come on, this does not mean that we will do all the advanced developments exclusively with China. Well, there will be some kind of joint projects ... but this does not oblige us at all not to create our own advanced technologies.
        And then, my friends, I think this is rather a political moment, a message to our common enemies, they say: "Look, and be afraid!" So panic aside.
        1. Airman
          Airman 30 December 2013 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: Natalia
          Quote: Alex_Popovson
          Apparently it’s sad for all of us, since the Chinese are hobbling. These bastards will now be in space too. There was no sadness

          Oh come on, this does not mean that we will do all the advanced developments exclusively with China. Well, there will be some kind of joint projects ... but this does not oblige us at all not to create our own advanced technologies.
          And then, my friends, I think this is rather a political moment, a message to our common enemies, they say: "Look, and be afraid!" So panic aside.


          Knowing the high venality of our officials, and the Chinese have a large number of green candy wrappers, the most modern technologies can quickly get there and quickly copy, but do we need it? Moreover, it will be a one-way traffic, only to China.
        2. Interface
          Interface 9 January 2014 20: 03
          0
          Yes, anyway nah * some ... But why do we need China?
          For assembly? And your plants?
          What is China superior to us in? Engines-- buy from us, missile systems-- bought from us, copied, but I doubt that the copy is better than the original. equal in effectiveness, but to create something better, if the production of components themselves does not have?)) Again we go to the Russians.
          Further. Bison bought from the "main" brotherly people. Copied. I can't talk about the components, but considering the realities in the Ukrainian economy, I think that the Chinese were leaked all the documentation for a huge pack of greens ...
          Although of course China's defense industry is growing rapidly, but why help a potential adversary?

          Own fighters-- copies of the Su-27. There is a mixture of Mirage with F16, J-some, I do not remember exactly. Of their own, they are still training lol
          Now I’m sure that they will merge them with Su-35. With its new radar and engines.

          Although you understand that it will be easier for our "managers", it is unprofitable to invest in the economy, it is not occupied, they say, the market will not understand ... And then herak, oops "denyushki"

          We live well.

          PS.
          development of engines, composite materials, optoelectronics, search and detection and reconnaissance systems.

          Just with all this, China does not matter, except for composites only. It is not for nothing that recently they have been building relations with Ukraine so that our intellectual property rights can be redeemed from an unplanned one ... After all, once it was a ONE defense industry, one country ...
      2. 31231
        31231 30 December 2013 08: 05
        +2
        You are like an adult, and post these stamps.
      3. ATATA
        ATATA 30 December 2013 08: 14
        +2
        Hi Bask!
        And why is this card in Russian.
        Find the same card in Chinese.
        Maybe this is the horror stories of the friendliest friends of Russia and China? hi
      4. Very old
        Very old 30 December 2013 08: 23
        -2
        Do not forbid them to dream

        Dreaming is not harmful
      5. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 30 December 2013 08: 24
        +2
        In general, no one can. Good uncles do not happen by definition. Remember that England has no permanent friends, but only permanent interests. In the modern world, too many have learned this truth. And we should go.
      6. Trailer
        Trailer 30 December 2013 08: 28
        0
        Quote: bask
        China has territorial claims to Russia.
        Remind me - how many wars did China win?
        1. Guun
          Guun 30 December 2013 09: 30
          0
          Quote: Karavan
          Remind me - how many wars did China win?

          Is the Korean conflict insufficient?
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 30 December 2013 09: 31
            0
            Well, not one China fought there.
          2. alone
            alone 30 December 2013 23: 45
            0
            Quote: Guun
            Is the Korean conflict insufficient?

            Well, who won there? killed a total of 1,5 million people, at least 40%
            These are Chinese volunteers. And Korea, as it was north and south, has remained. In general, one of the most brutal and futile wars in the history of mankind. Examples of such a war can only be called the Iran-Iraq war.
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        3. Clegg
          Clegg 30 December 2013 09: 36
          0
          Quote: Karavan
          Remind me - how many wars did China win?

          Indians and everyone seems
          1. Basileus
            Basileus 30 December 2013 09: 40
            0
            He did not achieve results, and success was due more likely to superiority in the number of troops and the surprise of the attack.
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      8. Aliv
        Aliv 30 December 2013 09: 41
        -1
        Think of US territorial claims. Of the two evils, one must choose the lesser. With a pin ... dos are definitely not on our way.
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 30 December 2013 09: 48
          0
          US territorial claims against Russia? Unless in the Arctic, even this issue requires an international solution, and not placing flags at the bottom.
      9. Rus2012
        30 December 2013 10: 28
        0
        Quote: bask
        China has territorial claims to Russia.

        Russia and China officially settled their territorial uncertainties, see - http://www.rg.ru/2008/10/15/granica-kitay.html
        Yesterday, the opening ceremony of border posts was held on the Big Ussuri Island. The issue of regulating the state border between Russia and China is finally closed.
        ...
        In 2005, the State Duma of the Russian Federation and the All-China Assembly of People's Representatives ratified an additional agreement between the Russian Federation and the PRC on the Russian-Chinese state border in its eastern part. This process completed the settlement of border problems in relations between Russia and China - a long-term negotiation process that was started by the USSR and China in 1964 and which, in addition to negotiations between diplomats, was also accompanied by bloodshed on both sides.
    2. air defense veteran
      air defense veteran 30 December 2013 07: 58
      +5
      Russia has always had a decent relationship with China, and after the victory in the Great Patriotic War and the war in Korea, it was generally excellent. Everything changed when Paskuda Khrushchev poured slops of waste on Stalin. By the way, the Chinese are very squeamish about Gorbachev. This means that we have much more common ground with them than with the West.
      1. Very old
        Very old 30 December 2013 08: 30
        +2
        Relations ?
        One should think about the future "contact" already TODAY
  3. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 30 December 2013 07: 44
    +2
    it is appropriate to recall Eliad Homer - be afraid of Danians bringing gifts ... The Chinese lay softly and would not have to sleep hard then ...
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 30 December 2013 08: 15
      +1
      Well, in this case, Russia (according to Homer's legend)) acts as the Lame God-blacksmith Hephaestus, who forged Achilles "wondrous armor" with the help of which he avenged the death of his friend Patroclus ...(but China has no "friends"))))
      ............ There will be many events ............................
      but, Achilles (China)) will still die(the "armor" forged by Russia will not help him) an armor, a helmet, leggings and a shield, and the whole world was depicted on the shield: the sun and stars, earth and sea (factories-factories)), a peaceful and warring city, a court in a peaceful city and a wedding, an ambush and a battle in front of a warring city, and around - the villagers, plowing, harvesting, pasture, vineyard, a village holiday and a dancing round dance, and in the middle of it - a singer with a lyre ........

      Hence the conclusion, the Russians need to fight on their territory, in no case go beyond the borders, and drag us into the conflict, they will try ....
      In this case, China resembles Germany of the 30s, industry is developing, the seizure of territories (Munich Pact, the Ribentropp Pact is the surrender of Putin's islands Damansky, Usurian, Tarabarov))
      The USSR collaborated with Germany until the very beginning of the war ......

      When the war began, PATRIOTIC Stalin was in prostration for several days (he did not believe and experienced a "mistake"))))
      and wait, we cultivate against ourselves the "enemy" - the paper dragon ...
  4. Lindon
    Lindon 30 December 2013 07: 45
    +2
    The agreement provides for cooperation in 33 projects in the development of engines, composite materials, optoelectronics, search and detection and reconnaissance systems.


    Well, now the Chinese learn to make engines themselves, and not buy ready-made from Russia.
    China has not respected, does not respect and will not respect intellectual property rights.
    Military technology is not an Iphone production. This must be protected as the apple of an eye.
  5. awg75
    awg75 30 December 2013 07: 45
    +2
    I hope in the future, joint efforts with China will be able to punish gay Europe and the United States
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 30 December 2013 07: 49
      -4
      No, we do not need China. Moreover, in the USA there is already a Black Lord, his name is Ben Gunn, and he completely dominates and punishes American and European men
  6. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 30 December 2013 07: 46
    +2
    A double-edged sword! on the one hand, strengthening and improving strategic ties with China, on the other hand, the leakage of Soviet and Russian developments in the field of scientific achievements and, as a result, the breakthrough of China in space, you’ll be able to cultivate a competitor with our own hands. conclusion to find a middle ground i.e. not to give much, but to establish a connection.
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 30 December 2013 08: 10
      +4
      Everything that could leak has already leaked) You can’t win - head. Here Russia is somehow trying. In addition, China has surpassed us in some areas for a long time, so we will also get a lot from such cooperation.
    2. air defense veteran
      air defense veteran 30 December 2013 08: 21
      +3
      Russia has never prioritized victory in "competition". She always helped train national personnel around the world, and shared with many of her scientific achievements. This is probably why she built such a huge power. And in the early 50s, she had simply unattainable authority on the planet.
      Unfortunately, we prosli our country in the 80s, 90s. Under an agreement with amers, they destroyed not only the majority of their strategic nuclear forces, navy, industry, but also ALL weapons-grade uranium production enterprises. By the way, centrifuges are preserved in China. And who taught them to do and armed China nuclear weapons? That's it.
      The restoration of our production requires money and time. China has money and computer technology, by the way. America has no time. Strengthening China with our technologies plays AGAINST the States, and therefore, for the good of Russia.
      By the way, technologies do not stand still: everything depends on the level of science, which in many respects we also "handed over" to Western "partners" for "thanks."
      So of the two evils: to strengthen China or lay down under the West, Russia, based on its historical experience, seems to have chosen the first. And rightly so.
    3. Rus2012
      30 December 2013 10: 36
      -1
      Quote: Scandinavian
      consequence of China's breakthrough in space

      Dear colleague, do you seriously think this is their own breakthrough?
      I dare say, they themselves do not believe in it. This is OUR JOINT BREAKTHROUGH! Knowledgeable know ...

      And I will say moreover, we are buying from China some types of ammunition - ammunition, mines ... Fortunately, they are of the same system ...
      So do not draw the enemy. But it is necessary to conduct a worthy cause and build a smart policy towards them. For no one but us is capable of dropping ourselves in their eyes, this is true.
  7. lexx2038
    lexx2038 30 December 2013 07: 47
    +1
    Oh, I don't believe the Chinese, and you can't teach them how to build engines, otherwise they will have planes like flies in a latrine. Here, after all, the cunning ones have signed up to "cooperate" in those industries where they have a noticeable lag, we will teach them on our own!
  8. roma-belij
    roma-belij 30 December 2013 07: 47
    +4
    We will help the Chinese build their own engine for the Su-30, so that they can easily copy the entire aircraft assembly. (((((We have something to gain ???
  9. bairat
    bairat 30 December 2013 07: 48
    +4
    The Chinese have gathered technology from around the world, they have the most advanced equipment, and you can get along with these. Another thing is that for good they will not give away their secrets.
  10. makarov
    makarov 30 December 2013 07: 48
    +4
    "The agreement between CASIC and the Russian Technologies group is aimed at strengthening cooperation in the joint development of new technologies, as opposed to their direct import from Russia."

    Doesn't this mean that if China used to buy something, now this "something" will receive free of charge ???
    1. Rus2012
      30 December 2013 10: 41
      0
      Quote: makarov
      If earlier China bought something, now this "something" will receive for free ???

      ... ruining how our business managers will lead the work. It’s to your advantage, or to the Fatherland for ...
      If - for the Fatherland, then we have a lot of plans with them - including the construction of long-distance air liners, competitors for watermelon and Boeing ...
  11. bomg.77
    bomg.77 30 December 2013 07: 49
    +3
    China is not enough, converts unsecured dollars into high-tech developments, well, well done.
  12. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 30 December 2013 07: 55
    -1
    We transfer Russian brains and works to the smart-ass Chinese ... there is no other explanation.
  13. Alex66
    Alex66 30 December 2013 07: 56
    +1
    Yes, "we still have gunpowder in the flasks", the Chinese want to learn how to make engines for their fighters, and we will be taught to make telephones. Well, I don’t believe the Chinese, they are perfectly capable of assimilating other peoples, assimilating other people's achievements, but in their history there were no cases when they cared disinterestedly about other peoples. Which tells me that the exchange will not be equal.
    1. bairat
      bairat 30 December 2013 08: 27
      +1
      Quote: Alex66
      The Chinese want to learn how to make engines for their fighters, and they will teach us how to make phones.

      It's not about the phones, but at the element base, the future is with smart weapons, ammunition will themselves seek and pursue the enemy. So far this is a terribly expensive pleasure, but we must keep our finger on the pulse, otherwise we will flush the breakthrough in technology.
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  14. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 30 December 2013 07: 57
    0
    hi ... envisages cooperation in 33 projects in the development of engines, composite materials, optoelectronics, search and detection and reconnaissance systems.-Russian scientists will develop, use the Chinese NPK in full ... recourse
    1. Rus2012
      30 December 2013 10: 43
      -1
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      Russian scientists will develop, use the Chinese NPK in full

      ... if wisely, then we are developing - they are replicating. There is nothing wrong, they have been collecting the world’s semi-auto industry for a long time ...
  15. Sergey Sitnikov
    Sergey Sitnikov 30 December 2013 07: 59
    -1
    China is very vulnerable to the potential use of war viruses of genetic action (I’m sure that the main players such viruses, if they haven’t discovered it, are already close to that), unlike the USA and the Russian Federation
  16. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    0
    Well, thanks to us, the country-printer goes to increased power. Copies will become super-similar to originals.
  17. lexx2038
    lexx2038 30 December 2013 08: 02
    -1
    Once again, someone sold out, right now they will come and take the knowledge and technology developed over the years, reminiscent of the recent joint anti-piracy exercises, when they climbed our warships from and to (dear guests) and didn’t let anyone on our own, and we did it. Soon our technologies will fall on our heads! Either we are fools, or so many corrupt, at least some individuals.
  18. lexx2038
    lexx2038 30 December 2013 08: 02
    0
    Once again, someone sold out, right now they will come and take the knowledge and technology developed over the years, reminiscent of the recent joint anti-piracy exercises, when they climbed our warships from and to (dear guests) and didn’t let anyone on our own, and we did it. Soon our technologies will fall on our heads! Either we are fools, or so many corrupt, at least some individuals.
  19. Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 30 December 2013 08: 06
    +1
    The Chinese do not have normal engines. And if we throw them technology, then we can even get hemorrhoids.
  20. 31231
    31231 30 December 2013 08: 09
    +2
    I look at you and smile. What do you think that fools are sitting in Russian Technologies, and you are smart here?
  21. propolsky
    propolsky 30 December 2013 08: 13
    +1
    Well, maybe they are not fools, but there are too many "petty traitors" who will sell everything they know and have for a few rubles. China is not the country with which you can mold a common defense industry.
  22. lexx2038
    lexx2038 30 December 2013 08: 20
    0
    Quote: 31231
    I look at you and smile. What do you think that fools are sitting in Russian Technologies, and you are smart here?

    So smart that in a few lectures, millions of state grandmothers give
  23. Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ 30 December 2013 08: 27
    +2
    On the one hand, it is necessary to cooperate with China carefully. On the other hand, the development of technology has stopped, we fly into space on engines developed in the 50-60 of the last century. On these technologies we can master only near space, the maximum moon. For the exploration of deep space new technologies are needed, and no country can develop their development alone. I think so.
  24. stalker
    stalker 30 December 2013 08: 30
    0
    what nonsense, why do we need this.
  25. lexx2038
    lexx2038 30 December 2013 08: 34
    -1
    Quote: Andrew KZ
    On the one hand, it is necessary to cooperate with China carefully. On the other hand, the development of technology has stopped, we fly into space on engines developed in the 50-60 of the last century. On these technologies we can master only near space, the maximum moon. For the exploration of deep space new technologies are needed, and no country can develop their development alone. I think so.

    Well so space-to-space, and what does advanced military technology have to do with it?
  26. vlad_m
    vlad_m 30 December 2013 08: 49
    +3
    At this stage of development, China is a friend, comrade and brother to Russia. It is worth noting that over the past decade, China and Russia have worked very closely, competently and in the same way in the political arena. And in the economic sphere, the two countries have very large mutual interests and volumes.
    Mutually beneficial cooperation in the field of military technology is an expected and tactically justified step.
    Transfer of aircraft engine manufacturing technologies ... Why does it scare you? At one time, China was given the engine manufacturing technology for the MIG15 / 17/21. It was VERY long ago ... Until now, Chinese engines of this generation are worse than Russian ones.
    In the framework of this cooperation, they will transfer the technology of the 4 ++ generation engines. Let them build. If the engineering staff in China has grown, it may be possible to improve these engines. Share technology with us. But these technologies are already past for Russia.
    And who will give them new engine technology?
  27. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 30 December 2013 08: 53
    +7
    Has anything practical been done in our country lately? Police-police, summer-winter time, housing and communal services norms, pension reform, Skolkovo .. I think this is from the same opera fool
  28. VADEL
    VADEL 30 December 2013 09: 12
    +1
    New Year's sale. recourse
  29. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 30 December 2013 09: 13
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Has anything practical been done in our country lately? Police-police, summer-winter time, housing and communal services norms, pension reform, Skolkovo ..

    Accomplished. Another robbery. Putin signed a pension reform.
    "Introduced minimum threshold points, which is necessary for calculating a pension, - 30."
    "For those whose salaries do not exceed 18 thousand rubles, and these are mainly employees of the public sector, recalculation will be one hundred percent for the rest it will be limited three(!!!) points."
    For themselves, dear ones, the authorities left another calculation. Who needs a "white" salary?
  30. Mihail29
    Mihail29 30 December 2013 09: 36
    0
    How tired I am of ours in the government, but if you imagine that the sex of the government is traitors, then everything falls into place. In this regard, we need to learn from s (F-22 for ourselves, and F-35 for sale) and we have in our army
    only the latest weapons have begun to arrive, and we are already discussing with the Chinese contracts for the supply of SU-35 and S-400. Here, either everything is tricky and these samples are already outdated, or as I wrote above, half of the government is traitors.
  31. ReifA
    ReifA 30 December 2013 10: 08
    +1
    So we got to the engines, even copying inappropriately ..: - /
  32. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 30 December 2013 12: 02
    0
    Not the ones you have. The Soviet Union specialists, developers, will soon physically leave us. Young people will not work for enthusiasm for a long time, having a sensible education you can earn more by reselling different Chinese, straining less. Now imagine oil prices collapsed. It quickly becomes clear that there is no money for development. And that's it, there are no old people, the youth ran away. Internet experts puff their cheeks - but the Chinese did not get it, everyone is happy. The same experts blow their cheeks, about our shipbuilding which, if you need to build anything. It is clear that I didn’t pay attention that if it weren’t for foreign money, there wouldn’t be any shipbuilding at all, physically, like SU planes. And the fact that the Chinese agree to invest money is not a favor we do to them, but they allow us to look more confidently tomorrow. If you really need it, they will find other developers. If there was money, there would be willing ones, and the plants would be built, and whom should be trained.
  33. ed65b
    ed65b 30 December 2013 12: 29
    -1
    I imagine this collaboration. Our drawings will be drawn and the Chinese put tracing paper under them. laughing what was necessary, gave a vigorous bomb, presented a space, maybe enough gifts ?? Americans openly laugh, Russian du..k say, I think they are right.
  34. viktor_ui
    viktor_ui 30 December 2013 13: 15
    0
    And the third from the right to the photo ... EXACTLY Brezhnev’s reincarnation in the Chinese incarnation ... maid in rank so to speak fellow I das ist fiction - wassat - oh my god, what’s with me ...
  35. APASUS
    APASUS 30 December 2013 14: 14
    0
    A press release from CASIC from December 17 states that the agreement provides for cooperation in 33 projects in the development of engines, composite materials, optoelectronics, search and detection and reconnaissance systems.

    Judging by this proposal, we will give them something to which it was not enough to copy the brains. I would be very careful with such a partner so that I wouldn’t catch up with him later !!!
  36. Wiruz
    Wiruz 30 December 2013 20: 24
    +1
    In the process it will be like this, Russia is a printer, China is a copier.
  37. alone
    alone 30 December 2013 23: 48
    0
    )) China has its own goals. They are certainly not with mattresses, but believe me, not with you. They just need to be with you now. We need technology (space and aircraft construction). But when they solve their problems, nobody will be fit
  38. Sanr
    Sanr 9 January 2014 09: 18
    0
    the main thing in such cooperation is not to stay in the loser ...