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Japan does not see anything wrong with worshiping war criminals. Precedent?

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In the last days of the outgoing year, Japan was quite active in the news plan. It began with the Prime Minister of Japan Shinzo Abe visiting the temple and the Yasukuni War Memorial. According to us, he visited and visited, our politicians also periodically visit temples and participate in ceremonies on military memorials, which does not cause much excitement in society. But here you need to understand what kind of temple, and what kind of memorial it is.


Japan does not see anything wrong with worshiping war criminals. Precedent?


Yasukuni Jinja is a Shinto 1869 temple of the year, from many other similar temples of the Land of the Rising Sun, characterized by its focus on worshiping the souls of those soldiers who laid down their heads in the wars for Japanese statehood. And the main deity for worship in Yasukuni is the emperor of Japan. This, let's say, from the official "presentation" of the temple.

It would seem that there can be nothing particularly reprehensible in visiting this sanctuary with a memorial. Well, apart from the reprehensible identification of the emperor with a deity, but then democratic Japan, in the end ... However, the visit of Yasukuni to the Japanese prime minister caused a real barrage of criticism among Japanese neighbors. Most of all "on the nuts" Abe inherited from China, North Korea and the Republic of Korea (South Korea).

For example, a note was issued from the South Korean foreign ministry to Japan with an expression of “regret and anger”. Beijing sent a note to Tokyo with the words "a visit to Yasukuni by a high-ranking Japanese politician is absolutely unacceptable for all Chinese people." In North Korea, according to the established tradition, the largest portion of criticism with characteristic facial expressions and linguistic expression went to Japan from the speakers of the DPRK DH. Let's try to understand the reasons for such a painful reaction.

And the reasons for such indignation from Beijing, Pyongyang and Seoul are related to the fact that in Yasukuni temple on special plates are the names of more than 2,5 million who fell on the battlefields, who died from wounds or were executed by Japanese soldiers, officers and politicians, among whom are faces recognized by the international community (based on the decision of the international court) war criminals. According to the Shinto tradition, all of them are canonized saints-martyrs. Among such "saints" was, for example, 32 th Prime Minister of Japan Koki Hirota, who in 1948 years was sentenced by hanging by the International Tribunal of the Far East by hanging for planning and conducting military operations against China and for crimes against humanity. In addition to Koki Hirota, in the Yasukuni temple, among the "saints" are Hideki Tojo, Heitaro Kimuro, Saysiro Itagaki, and a number of other Japanese warlords and politicians executed after the end of World War II for crimes against humanity.



It is noteworthy that at the end of the 60s, the Japanese wanted to call even such a person “holy” as an Indian citizen Radhabinod Pal. It would seem, what attitude an Indian can have to a Shinto religion, which is especially prevalent in Japan ... Directly to religion, of course, none, but Judge Pal is the only judge at the Tokyo 1946-1948 process (an analogue of the Nuremberg process) who argued for that all Japanese accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity must be justified. For this, Japan in the 1966 year awarded Pala one of the highest Japanese awards - the Order of the Sacred Treasure, and after the death of an Indian lawyer in two temples in Japan (including Yasukuni) were erected entire memorial complexes in his honor. With the reckoning of the saints, Pal was nevertheless decided to “wait” ...

It is the above facts from stories Yasukuni temple and its memorial are the reason why Chinese and Koreans, against whom Japan once waged wars, are so negative about the visits to them by Japanese politicians.

Well, if you make any analogies, then with reference to the Yasukuni temple you could imagine the following hypothetical option (as they say, in the order of delirium): in Germany today there would be a temple in which the names would be inscribed in golden letters on the memorial plates for example, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Goebbels, Hermann Goering, or Alfred Jodl, with their portraits, half-icons, and in this temple, in his free time, or even being directly in the service, would have walked Angela Merkel ... If we allow this analogy, it becomes I am quite understandable resentment of Japan's neighbors, that militarism of Japan and its "solntselikih" fighters and commanders drank a grief ...

In this regard, the advance justification of my visit to Yasukuni, voiced by Shinzo Abe in the style of "I go to the temple as a sign of reconciliation and do not want to offend the feelings of the peoples of China and Korea," did not cause indulgence among the Chinese and Koreans, and this is also quite understandable . Well, this is about the same as saying “I am going to the parade of veterans of the Waffen-SS, but I don’t want to offend the feelings of the Russian, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Polish and other peoples” ...

Worshiping war criminals (and it just so happened that they got their special place in the Yasukuni temple along with the rank and file Japanese soldiers) is an international scandal. By the way, just before his entry (the second in a row) to the post of prime minister, Abe said that he would not continue the tradition of his predecessor Koizumi, who often went to the temple and Yasukuni memorial at the time. Frankly, Abe stayed on for a short time: 26 took office on December 2012, and exactly a year (day a day) decided to celebrate the anniversary of his tenure with a sensational campaign. Apparently, without this, it was not possible to achieve loyalty from the ultranationalist movements in Japan, which have recently been increasingly raising their heads, and not without the sympathy of the state.

Does Russia need to pass this, let's say, incident. Someone will say: yes, this Abe has surrendered to us, let him go where he wants, and let the Chinese and Koreans deal with him themselves - our hut is on the edge ... But in fact, the actual worship of the head of state to war criminals, in whose hands are hundreds of thousands innocent people, this is an extremely negative precedent not only regionally but also on a global scale. And the positions of "our hut from the edge" of other countries (besides the PRC, the DPRK and the Republic of Korea) are used by many modern Japanese politicians. Not so long ago, a whole parliamentary delegation of Japan consisting of more than one hundred and fifty people went to Yasukuni ...

If everything is left as it is, then in this case the same Germany, Hungary, Latvia (hereinafter referred to as the list) may well say: why can Tokyo be, but we can't? .. Isn't it an outright attempt to revise the results of World War II and glorification of those Who stood on the position of justifying the outbreak of the most bloody war in the history of mankind? It is obvious that it is necessary for Japan to “explain it popularly” that such games usually do not end well. The UN resolution - as an option ... But only the UN is there a political will within the UN itself - is this a question.
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  1. svskor80
    svskor80 30 December 2013 08: 43
    +18
    There is nothing to be surprised at here. Japan did not recognize its actions during the Second World War as criminal. From the same opera there is no desire to recognize as the result of the Kuril war the Russian territory. I think the Japanese spread out before the Americans in exchange for small pranks. Big brother always hedges as they think, but this is a mistake, Americans throw allies quickly and easily.
    1. dark_65
      dark_65 30 December 2013 17: 29
      +4
      The psychology of Zen Buddhists is simple and primitive, in spite of the year 1868 (Meiji revolution, forgive me generously if I made a mistake in years), eat-eaters have fantastic tenacity in achieving the goal, I am envious that we are not like that.
      Therefore, to recognize themselves defeated? ... this is nonsense for them, they deserve respect, but only him. In principle, there can be no love.
      Itself would have shied away with pleasure "Fat Man", or "Baby", not so important, the main thing is the effect of a cold shower. And the fact that they are masochists is beyond doubt.
      1. True
        True 1 January 2014 21: 14
        +2
        What does the Meiji restoration have to do with it? This is the abolition of the shogunate and the restoration of imperial rule, followed by civil war and unrest (bakumatsu). And this is a Shinto temple, not a Buddhist one.
      2. rate
        rate 2 January 2014 18: 02
        0
        Well, let their generals worship the losers of the war.
      3. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... 5 January 2014 15: 26
        0
        Yes, everything is simple - rice is not such a high-calorie product as meat - that's raging from malnutrition.
    2. Su24
      Su24 4 January 2014 11: 43
      0
      Well done Japanese. The author’s surprise at the fact that the Japanese deify the emperor cause only a grin. What, other nations do not have the right to their own ideas about the sacred?
      The fact that Japan does not recognize the concept of a "war criminal" is also good. Spits in the face of this "civilized" world. Honors his heroes.
      1. True
        True 17 January 2014 22: 31
        +1
        Quote: Su24
        The author’s surprise at the fact that the Japanese deify the emperor cause only a grin. What, other nations do not have the right to their own ideas about the sacred?
        In Japan, only one imperial dynasty. The emperor is a direct descendant of the goddess Amaterasu, that is deified.
  2. ReifA
    ReifA 30 December 2013 08: 53
    +20
    For the Japanese, they are heroes, their mentality is different. Russia needs to follow its own interests, not emotions.
    1. Bronis
      Bronis 30 December 2013 13: 56
      +6
      Perhaps not only mentality, but also politics. As a signal to the same China (infrequently premieres go to this temple). There are chances to annoy the PRC a bit and provoke the Chinese to retaliate. So, just another firewood in the fire of the confrontation.
      But against the background of fascist parades and the demolition-transfer of monuments in the Baltic States and Western Ukraine, it does not look very impressive. In Riga, the swastikas were already unfolded before a hockey match with our team ... And nothing ... but Lithuania, in general, Gazmanov does not like ... And then a person came to "just" to pray ... laughing
      1. Viktor Shmagin
        Viktor Shmagin 2 January 2014 21: 56
        +2
        Yes, in Ukraine, yesterday, fecal parades were held in honor of the cat’s bandera, and nothing, no one even threatened to finger, although the official spoke there, or rather the muzzle, of the measures of the city of Lemberg, so what, he won’t say anything for praising the Natsiks . But the country fought against the Nazis.
    2. knn54
      knn54 30 December 2013 14: 34
      +2
      Absolute inhumanity, both to "friends" and to "strangers", has been and remains in Japan one of the main "virtues" and is designated only as "firm, unshakable spirit."
  3. Homo
    Homo 30 December 2013 09: 19
    0
    Quote: ReifA
    For the Japanese, they are heroes, their mentality is different. Russia needs to follow its own interests, not emotions.

    And what does the mentality have to do with it? There are those who died for the liberation, independence of the Motherland (these are heroes), and there are those who died invaders (these are criminals)! No need to compare ... with your finger!
    1. ReifA
      ReifA 30 December 2013 09: 51
      +3
      Your reaction to the post and shows the difference in mentality.
    2. IRBIS
      IRBIS 30 December 2013 11: 26
      +4
      Let's draw an analogy.
      Quote: Homo
      There are those who died for the liberation, independence of the motherland (these are heroes)

      These are our soldiers who died before the army entered the USSR state border line.
      Quote: Homo
      and there are dead occupiers (these are criminals)

      And these are those who died in Europe. Indeed, under international law they were invaders.
      Be careful with terms and definitions, otherwise you can go too far.
    3. Old scoop
      Old scoop 30 December 2013 15: 48
      +6
      The culture is different, it is necessary to understand. Those whom we consider criminals fought for the prosperity of Japan, so for the Japanese they are heroes. No need to judge the Japanese without knowing their culture, as well as other people. For you, cannibalism is something terrible, other nations have completely natural things.
      If from childhood you were instilled with the superiority of your nation over others, then I doubt very much to see you as a great humanist and champion of freedom. Not many are given to go against the norms of society.
      Py.Sy. I do not condone the actions of war criminals, but I propose to look at the event not so categorically. In the end, this is the internal affair of the Japanese.
      1. lukke
        lukke 3 January 2014 16: 17
        +3
        I agree and add - to talk about japas - you first need to spend your time at least studying its literature, history, culture, traditions, from there you can at least begin to comprehend the mentality. The Chinese do not like the Japanese, of course, they did not stand on ceremony with them and openly despised Japanese samurai warriors often forced Chinese troops to flee many times superior to their own. How could you relate to a Chinese who was afraid to fight for his land, mother, children? The Japanese openly despised them. And there are many examples of how they treated the brave and brave enemy soldiers with dignity. In general, China and Korea are still not so strong - just whining about such a trifle as going to the temple. And the Japanese still have national self-sacrifice on a conscious level, and not like in China ...
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 4 January 2014 11: 57
          +2
          Quote: lukke
          And there are many examples of how they treated the brave and brave enemy soldiers with dignity.
          I completely agree. One example: the survivors and captured sailors of the ships of the Russian fleet sunk by the Japanese after the battle of Tsushima lived in full contentment, they were fed, they walked quietly around the city and even started novels with Japanese women (you can read about this from Pikul). The Japanese greatly respected our sailors for their incredible courage and ability to sacrifice themselves.
  4. maratenok
    maratenok 30 December 2013 09: 19
    -5
    damn drop them a couple more nuclear bombs, maybe then the brains will work am
    1. Panikovsky
      Panikovsky 30 December 2013 12: 49
      +3
      how do you feel? the head does not hurt?
  5. Tommygun
    Tommygun 30 December 2013 09: 28
    +3
    "The UN resolution is an option ... But only the UN has the political will for that within the UN itself - that is already a question."
    What about the parades of SS veterans in the Baltic states? Was there a resolution?

    We cannot deal with our former republics!
  6. makarov
    makarov 30 December 2013 09: 37
    0
    Japanese militarism begins to rattle louder and louder with weapons. I suppose that even the conflict situation with China over the disputed islands is now beneficial for the militarists of Japan, to aggravate the situation, to show themselves a victim, and to begin larger-scale weapons.
  7. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 30 December 2013 09: 50
    +2
    I don’t remember any more, but someone from Yugoslavian or French politicians about 40 years ago said that there would be no Soviet Union, all this brown m.a.z.o.t. ... , immediately raises its head, Europe has felt too little of all the "charms" of Nazism or Japanese militarism, here only Russia, China, well, maybe Israel will understand what it is about. Thank God, although China is not what it was 60 years ago, in general the Japanese behave strangely one on one with Great China, what are they hoping for? Yes, even with the help of the United States, what can they?
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 30 December 2013 12: 27
      +3
      Quote: Standard Oil
      in general, the Japanese behave strangely one on one with Great China, what are they hoping for?

      China has no chance against Japan
      1. Standard Oil
        Standard Oil 30 December 2013 14: 30
        +1
        Quote: Clegg
        China has no chance against Japan

        They will overwhelm them with "nyashki", what can they?
        1. Alex_Popovson
          Alex_Popovson 30 December 2013 15: 37
          +3
          And Mechs, and Huge robots, and wizard girls, cat girls and samurai with war-worn swords?
          1. Standard Oil
            Standard Oil 30 December 2013 15: 50
            +2
            Quote: Alex_Popovson
            And Mechs, and Huge robots, and wizard girls, cat girls and samurai with war-worn swords?

            B .., forgot, well then yes, Japan is strong! wassat
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          3. Alex_Popovson
            Alex_Popovson 31 December 2013 14: 56
            0
            Suddenly discovered. I am so slow. http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/flot/3347-1.html
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 31 December 2013 09: 45
          +2
          The level of training is much higher than the Chinese, the technology is the latest in contrast to the poor Chinese copiers from obsolete Soviet and American models. Also, the Japanese are famous for their ability to mobilize and work in a team like no other. China has only two advantages over Japan: nuclear weapons and high numbers.
          1. Angry reader
            Angry reader 3 January 2014 21: 17
            -2
            it seems that the self-defense forces of Japan and the PLA daily-hourly report to Greenwood.
            ps Do not carry nonsense .. famous .. nafukushimili nowhere higher ..)
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 4 January 2014 12: 00
              0
              Quote: Angry Reader
              do not talk nonsense
              Specifically, what is nonsense in my words? Reasonedly and on the shelves.
              PS Fukushima is a product of the American company General Electric, originally built by the Americans without taking into account the terrain and seismic features of the soil in this region.
              1. Angry reader
                Angry reader 4 January 2014 16: 19
                0
                the weapons of the self-defense forces are exclusively Martian ???, and by no means the product of the Americans ...)))
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 5 January 2014 17: 50
                  0
                  The weapons of the self-defense forces are mainly domestic, collected at domestic factories. But many samples do have American roots, or are simply collected under an American license. I just do not understand, the American weapon suddenly became bad? Or at least worse than Chinese?
                  1. Angry reader
                    Angry reader 7 January 2014 18: 14
                    0
                    .. well .. why do you think that the copy is Japanese, with amer license, a priori better, Chinese, with our license ?? ....
                    The Chinese are already far from artisans.
                    Do you use an iPhone?)
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      3. Old scoop
        Old scoop 30 December 2013 15: 51
        0
        Why so?
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 1 January 2014 21: 09
      +1
      Quote: Standard Oil
      China is not the same as 60 years ago, in general, the Japanese behave strangely one on one with Great China, what do they hope for? Yes, even with the help of the USA, what can they do?


      The Japanese can dominate the sea, unlike the Chinese. And this is control over the trade routes, and the impossibility of landing on their islands. Fifteen years later, the situation may change, but now it is.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 4 January 2014 12: 02
        +1
        I would say that the Japanese generally have one of the strongest fleets in this region. And the ships are all new, designed with the latest technology.
  8. Stinger
    Stinger 30 December 2013 10: 06
    +2
    The idea “to raise the banner of the empire in vast spaces right up to the Ural Mountains”, which has not been realized since 1917, does not give rest to thirsty revenge. Understand the indignation of the Chinese and Koreans who were under their heel is understandable. With their mentality, what we read with pity, they consider it stupid - an unfinished enemy, having recovered, will definitely want to take revenge, and they regard peace and compassion as weakness. These lovely, smiling Japanese in one day, December 13, 1937 killed more than 200 thousand Chinese in Nanjing. The firearms used by Japanese soldiers were not used. Whoever however they know the character and mentality of the Japanese.
    If someone thinks that the Japanese are moved and cease to demand the return of the islands we have legally mined, then he is very mistaken.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 31 December 2013 09: 47
      +3
      Nevertheless, during the Russian-Japanese war, they treated our captive officers and sailors very well. The Japanese relate to white differently, they are Asians (except for their beloved ones) they do not consider people.
  9. Hey
    Hey 30 December 2013 10: 39
    +5
    Japan is our enemy (but not the people). We'll have to fight. For the fact that they honor the memory of their fallen wars - I respect.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 31 December 2013 09: 49
      +1
      In fact, the chatter of politicians about the northern territories does not bother anyone except a handful of nationalists in Japan. Many of them do not even know what is meant by the northern territories. We have quite a lot of Japanese tourists and businessmen in Vladivostok. There are several Japanese schools where they teach.
  10. mountain
    mountain 30 December 2013 11: 14
    +1
    MUD, everything is true except one, this does not concern us. And, do you like the monument to Bandera in Ukraine, or the Baltic marches, the former "SS". So they are not very happy, all this solitaire. And not for good, the Japanese, they started everything, they are obviously preparing for something mentally. The tension in the world is only growing.
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 30 December 2013 15: 27
      0
      Mountain, in Japan, despite all their current "kawaii", in recent years militaristic and revisionist sentiments have been very strong. True, it should be noted that military service there is no longer held in high esteem, but even vice versa. So if this received such a strong resonance in the world, then it seems to me that the Japanese are preparing more from China (well, I'm sure that China will unleash the massacre) to defend than to attack someone
  11. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 30 December 2013 11: 47
    +1
    <<< But in fact, the actual worship by the head of state of war criminals, on whose hands the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, is an extremely negative precedent not only regionally, but also on a global scale. >>>
    Russia SHOULD NOT be silent either! No politeses, no silences for the sake of attempts to improve mutual understanding, no "time heals", a new understanding of the situation, etc. it cannot be, even if the top leadership of Japan "time does not heal" and does not enlighten its brains and, as you can see, it still has NOT UNDERSTANDED anything, and has not drawn the correct conclusions from the catastrophe that befell Japan in the XNUMXth century , from the causes of this catastrophe, did not realize the unforgettable guilt of Japan for unleashing the world massacre, which claimed millions of human lives! This is the only way to expect that the leadership and society of Japan will nevertheless come to the correct conclusions from the tragic events of the twentieth century, and without this it is impossible to achieve a real improvement in Japan's relations with its neighbors!
  12. Cat
    Cat 30 December 2013 12: 02
    +6
    From the Japanese point of view, the following situation is seen: there is a president, and a certain number of generals from one well-known country - who gave the order to beat a couple of Japanese cities with big sticks, without any military necessity. Nevertheless, no one considers this president, along with his military generals, to be war criminals, on the contrary, they are revered as heroes, their names are embodied "in ships, in lines and in other long deeds" (c). And if this is the case, why shouldn't the Japanese honor their heroes, who destroyed, albeit inhumane methods, the enemies of their country? Because it's decided "by the world community (based on the decision of the international court)"? So the double (to a certain extent) standards of this very "world community" are well known to everyone, including the Japanese.
    Therefore, it is unambiguous to assert - who is a war criminal and who is not very - a deliberately ungrateful matter.

    But as for the pribalts and other Banderites, it is not entirely correct to mention them in this context. Well, what are they, to the benign mother, military men, with what kind of enemy did they fight? With the civilian population of their own country, perhaps. This means that the status of "military", albeit coupled with the status of "criminals", does not stick to them in any way. Ordinary bandits and murderers who, for the sake of a pontus, donned a uniform and called themselves an "army". And nothing more.
  13. Kars
    Kars 30 December 2013 12: 16
    +8
    What can I say in this matter, I support the Japanese. These are their heroes, let them be monsters for us. You don’t need the reflection that is now visible on Russian films such as a few days in May, or PDA there. All of our heroes too and let the rest they want to tell .

    And in general, who and Japs don’t forget their history. Who would have built a museum for a ship that didn’t sink a single enemy.
    1. Nuar
      Nuar 5 January 2014 11: 29
      0
      Quote: Kars
      And in general, who and Japs don’t forget their history. Who would have built a museum for a ship that didn’t sink a single enemy

      hmm .. what about the cruiser "Aurora"?
      1. Kars
        Kars 5 January 2014 13: 21
        +1
        Quote: Nuar
        hmm .. what about the cruiser "Aurora"?

        And what about Aurora? Is it really a museum? They put the ship on a joke, and rusty for a little bit such ..museums .. dozens, and even more obscure ships than Kr Aurora.
  14. Estrendor
    Estrendor 30 December 2013 12: 28
    +1
    I don’t see anything terrible if the government of the country (any) respects and loves its soldiers and those who died defending their country. And the fact that the Japanese Imperial Army and Navy during the Second World War were aggressors for me personally does not matter. What troops give orders is not their business - their job is to fulfill.
    Our government needs to learn from the Japanese.
    1. NIKOLAEV196
      NIKOLAEV196 30 December 2013 12: 49
      0
      IT IS NOT IMPORTANT FOR YOU. BUT OUR ARMY DOESN'T CUT. A JAPANESE IS PRACTICALLY ANYWHERE OF CIVIL MILES
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 30 December 2013 13: 09
      0
      Estrendor That's when the Japanese samurai raises your child on the bayonet then you will sing differently.
      Well, if the Jap doesn’t reach you even for the Emperor’s happiness, you’ll even blow your belly up, they know how to do it very well with people like you. (I have pictures of this)
      1. Alex_Popovson
        Alex_Popovson 30 December 2013 14: 44
        +4
        Whatever you say, I agree with Estrendor. Here you, like everyone else, I hope you remember and respect the heroism of Soviet citizens during the Second World War. The Japanese (surprise surprise!) Also respect and remember the sacrifices of their soldiers and citizens.
        Or do you think that if they were on the side of the Axis, then all of Japan must be made seppuke from grief? Right now, keep your pocket wider.
        Therefore, it is the Russian side that needs to make good films, computer games, to reveal the real essence of what was happening. And our jingoistic patriots should understand that Victory Day is not vodka and "didy vaivali", but a serious holiday when it is NECESSARY to remember the hardships that both their relatives and millions of Soviet citizens suffered.
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 30 December 2013 14: 57
          +5
          Alex_Popovson And whatever you say, I disagree with Estrendor.
          From Victory Day, you make vodka you are respected, these are your words. (Apparently you perceive the victory of our soldiers and officers this way)
          Further, I am not opposed to the Japs making themselves a seppuk after going to their war criminals.
          I don’t cheer, but I just know well what the Japs did in the RUSSIAN FAR EAST with our civilian population, and unlike YOU, forgetting THIS IS NOT INTENTED.
          1. Alex_Popovson
            Alex_Popovson 30 December 2013 15: 21
            -1
            Well, for starters, learn to at least put commas.
            Then, I will tell you that I have never said that vodka = Victory Day, well, never at all, read carefully
            Further, I am not opposed to the Japs making themselves a seppuk after going to their war criminals.
            You, I’m almost sure, are ready to poison their children, shoot the elderly, in memory of the Far East.
            unlike YOU forget IT IS NOT INTENTED

            Dearest, NOBODY makes you forget about the victims of the USSR. However, do you really want the Japanese to take their relatives who were killed in the war? That’s interesting, but would you forget your relatives if they were White Guards if you were a zealous communist?
            1. Same lech
              Same lech 30 December 2013 15: 25
              +1
              You, I’m almost sure, are ready to poison their children, shoot the elderly, in memory of the Far East.

              Tearing these words of yours speak of your base tastes and thoughts.

              I'm talking about the Japanese who honor war criminals and consider the killers of women and children their heroes.
              As for the commas, the guilty party did not live up to your pedagogical hehehe expectations.
              Further, I am not a communist and not a White Guard, but a simple man, and equating me with one or the other is already out of the realm of fantasies about the civil war.
              1. Alex_Popovson
                Alex_Popovson 30 December 2013 15: 33
                0
                Imagine, this is part of their story, to carve the memory of half a century of imperial power of Japan ... Well, it seems to me that this is impossible. And it is unlikely that someone will go meaningfully, agree? This is the same as, for example, deleted from the history of Stolypin or Ivan the Terrible. The first hung at the slightest sign of discontent of the workers; judging by history, the latter was generally a sadist and a psycho. A completely similar situation here
                1. Same lech
                  Same lech 30 December 2013 15: 39
                  +3
                  Yes, you’re right, but I’m neither Japanese nor a supporter of STOLYPIN or GROZNY.
                  I just know that a Japanese detachment broke into a Russian village that year and destroyed the entire population there, including women and children.

                  Therefore, when the Japanese begin to flirt with such things, I immediately think that the horror for our civilians will not happen again.
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                  2. Alex_Popovson
                    Alex_Popovson 30 December 2013 15: 56
                    0
                    I assure you, it will not be repeated from Their side. And, I assure you, I also remember the story well. I still remember what Detachment 731 is (but this is another discussion)
                    However, I believe that the World around can do anything. Russia, as it seems to me (I repeat), needs to use the grammar of ideological information methods to reveal the essence of what is happening. And do not look back to the whole world.
                    But the Slav brothers, who are considered by the UPA to be heroes, need to clearly explain the opposite.
                  3. Ruslan
                    Ruslan 31 December 2013 12: 01
                    -1
                    that's why our homeland and people must be strong. that would not whine "we are offended", and scalp the Japanese if they come to our land. and they will not come, knowing our strength. and you are afraid, and I understand you, because the same Pacific fleet is weaker than the Japanese. and Russia as a whole is now not in the best situation, especially in two. the weak are always afraid. it is a pity that the power of the USSR is gone.
                  4. Estrendor
                    Estrendor 1 January 2014 14: 59
                    0
                    I talked about the Japanese as a whole, and I'm right. It pains me to watch how the Japanese and Germans cherish their soldiers in a defeated and crap army. And how our government gently and with shame makes a reservation about the crimes of the Red Army and the NKVD troops.
                    1. Greenwood
                      Greenwood 4 January 2014 12: 10
                      0
                      We, unlike Japan and Germany, managed to ruin our own country (the very one that defeated Germany and Japan) in peacetime, and with such damage as there wasn’t in the war. The system has changed, the economy has changed, everything has changed. Now it has become fashionable to slander the Soviet Union and everything connected with it (God really seems to be in a country occupied and losing the war). Hence this attitude towards war and the Great Victory. Neither in Germany nor in Japan. Such idiocy in relation to our own history is observed only in our country, thanks to the thieves, criminals and liberals who have reached the power.
  15. predator.3
    predator.3 30 December 2013 12: 43
    +2
    But in fact, the actual worship by the head of state of war criminals who hold the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent people in their hands is an extremely negative precedent not only regionally, but also globally


    As the saying goes: "Who are the judges?", You can give a thousand examples from American and English and other stories of genocide!
  16. NIKOLAEV196
    NIKOLAEV196 30 December 2013 12: 44
    +1
    JAPAN SHOULD BE PUT INTO PLACE. THEY ARE BEGINNING TO SPRAY UNDER THE WING OF THE USA
  17. NIKOLAEV196
    NIKOLAEV196 30 December 2013 12: 54
    0
    IF THE HEAD OF THE STATE GIVES SUCH AN EXAMPLE, IT IS CLEAR WHAT THE POSITION OF JAPAN IS AT THE NEAREST TIME
  18. Watchman
    Watchman 30 December 2013 15: 03
    0
    For a short while the Japs reassured two nuclear bombs, maybe it was necessary to give more?
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 30 December 2013 15: 06
      0
      Here, some liberal-minded comrades will say that this is not tolerant and undemocratic.
  19. AX
    AX 30 December 2013 15: 16
    +1
    A little my grandfather "underworked" in 1945, on Sakhalin ...
  20. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 30 December 2013 15: 37
    +3
    In the struggle for resources - wars die. Who will cry for the wars of the motherland? Only compatriots. You would do the same in their place. The lion bit the buffalo, the lion is bad?
  21. Cpa
    Cpa 30 December 2013 19: 57
    +2
    Perhaps the question is initially religious and, secondly, political. If you do not honor the ancestors of the fallen for their homeland, then according to their beliefs, the ancestors will be reborn into demons tormenting their fellow countrymen. The fact that this process is advertised in the media says that they squeeze out maximum political dividends from this situation and Japan, and China, and both Koreas. In the end, the ship in America is named after Harry Truman, our prince Svyatoslav, according to some peoples, is also not an angel, there are orders of the Crusaders that no one accuses of genocide. We have heroes of the Finnish war, on standing heroes, but how do the Finns look at it? You don’t need to be goodies, unlike the Americans, they don’t instill their opinions around the world. As mentioned above, this mentality is: man is nothing, empire is everything.
  22. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 30 December 2013 20: 55
    +1
    Quote: Japan sees nothing wrong with worshiping war criminals.

    Citizens, do not be fooled: this is REVENISM! And further down the list: Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands - give it back!
    1. Ruslan
      Ruslan 31 December 2013 12: 12
      +2
      does Russia have measures to influence Japan? no. why should you shake the air? we will be ready for war, we will be safe. no? no and no trial. the weak always beat, such a law.
  23. alone
    alone 30 December 2013 23: 06
    +2
    History. But then it is history. It should always be taught and made entries so as not to step on the rake.
  24. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 31 December 2013 13: 43
    0
    Quote: lonely
    History. But then it is history. It should always be taught and made entries so as not to step on the rake.

    I would like to think that at the next clash, if this ever happens, they will sign all conceivable and not conceivable documents of surrender.
  25. FormerMariman
    FormerMariman 1 January 2014 15: 47
    +4
    In Russia, they honor Yermolov !? What is the problem then?
  26. majorserg1978
    majorserg1978 1 January 2014 18: 08
    +1
    I agree. Neither bad nor good. Who honors the criminals himself will be against the wall.
  27. majorserg1978
    majorserg1978 2 January 2014 14: 36
    -1
    There are other precedents. Once signed a surrender? Do not see? So, they will sign it again.
  28. propolsky
    propolsky 2 January 2014 15: 39
    0
    The people who are not aware of the lessons of history are experiencing them again. (Eastern wisdom)
  29. homosum20
    homosum20 2 January 2014 18: 04
    -2
    It's just that the eyes are very narrow - it's hard to see. Nitsche - once again fall on Hiroshima or something there - will open wide. (Sometimes, in order to open your eyes, you need to give a good ya.ts.a.m.).
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 4 January 2014 12: 14
      -2
      You’ve ever seen a Japanese live. Some of them will have wider eyes than yours.
      Quote: homosum20
      Sometimes, to open your eyes, you need to give a good ya.ts.a.m).
      Hooray-pat. Iot on the walk?
      1. homosum20
        homosum20 4 January 2014 13: 39
        0
        Are you talking to yourself?
        If about me - then in the first place - you are a boor.
        Secondly, you have amazing eyesight. Until now, no one has noticed idiocy in me. Many shortcomings, but this was not noticed. But smarter than you people met.
        And you, as I understand it, is not a patriot cheers? Or not a patriot? It’s just different things.
        And when the boots of people in brown shirts rumble in your country, will you shout "Sieg Heil" from the sidewalk? Will this be your walk?
        Or do you want these from veneration to proceed with concrete actions? Judging by your opinion, you are not against it.
        I'm against. And since they express an opinion (not about you or about me - about Nazism and its admirers), I expressed it. Speak about me - I will speak about you. Do something else - get an answer.
        And this is the only basis for maintaining peace. Kindly beaten.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 4 January 2014 15: 47
          0
          Quote: homosum20
          Until now, no one has noticed idiocy in me.
          Isn't it idiocy to write phrases like this: "Nitsche - once again fall on Hiroshima or something there - will open wide. (Sometimes, in order to open your eyes, you need to give a good ya.ts.a.m.)."This is called sane reasoning about Japanese mentality and traditions or about possible Japanese militarism ?!
          Quote: homosum20
          And you, as I understand it, is not a patriot cheers? Or not a patriot? It’s just different things.
          I love my country, I see a lot of problems in the country and at the same time I do not write all sorts of nonsense in the style of "we will show them kuzka's mother, they are completely morose, stupid narrow-eyed", etc.
          Quote: homosum20
          And when the boots of people in brown shirts rumble in your country, will you shout "Sieg Heil" from the sidewalk? Will this be your walk?
          You understand that in the foreseeable future this is impossible for many reasons. Question: why describe your own fantasies?
          Quote: homosum20
          did these proceed from veneration to concrete actions?
          Firstly, in order for them not to switch to active actions, one must themselves be prepared for these active actions, as was the case during the USSR. Secondly, thinking more globally, they do not need these very active actions at the moment, again for many reasons.
          Quote: homosum20
          Nazism and its admirers
          Since they raised the talk about Nazism, they defeated him in World War II, the eternal Glory to the Soviet people, the Victorious. As for its modern varieties, I can only say that the modern German Natsik once again the need to shout about an alliance with Russia against the domination of blacks. This is a much bigger and real problem both in Germany, and in Europe as a whole, and in Russia. According to many neo-Nazis, the alliance between Russia and Germany will save the white race. About the constant interethnic conflicts that erupt every month in Russia and Europe, I think it’s not worth recalling. These are the pies.
    2. homosum20
      homosum20 4 January 2014 13: 31
      +1
      Passing - I understood correctly, you see worship of criminals, especially Nazi, Only good? That is, the saints are those people who wanted the Slavs, like cattle, cut to the root? They burned and poisoned women and children. They plundered and destroyed the largest Russian historical monuments. They wanted to wipe us off the face of the earth. Probably part of us wanted it right. Then there would be no parents who have people like you.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 4 January 2014 15: 49
        0
        Here, like the Japanese militarists described, what kind of Nazism are we talking about? The Japanese were not on Russian territory (well, unless during the civilian period they landed in Vladivostok).
  30. Agent 008
    Agent 008 4 January 2014 13: 14
    +1
    It is necessary to separate politicians and ordinary Japanese ... In general, the entire cult of military worship comes from the era of the samurai ... Well, there are certain complexes - a lot of people were put in wars with neighbors, but in the end, they only remained with their territory ... Of course, it is difficult to understand why the military, manifesting inhuman cruelty, are declared saints, but this is the East - their own cockroaches in their heads. In general, the Japanese people are polite and hospitable - we would have to learn a lot from them ... But again, these DIRTY POLITICS are playing their dirty games ... To put them all to the wall ...
    1. homosum20
      homosum20 4 January 2014 14: 00
      0
      You see, you can not separate politicians and ordinary Japanese. Because there are no ordinary Japanese. As there are no ordinary Russians, ordinary Americans, ordinary Chechens. There are indifferent and no. And here nationality is not important. But Nazism - yes, it is important. This is already proven. You read about the battles on the islands, about Pearl Harbor. If a simple and polite Japanese cuts off your head or tears your belly to one of your loved ones - you will learn, learn. There are no good and polite peoples. People are kind and unkind, polite and not very. And a nation can be patriotic (this is when it loves its country and does not like the rest) and indifferent (this is when all countries, including its own, do not care for it)
      Let me remind you "Do not be afraid of enemies - in the worst case, they can kill you.
      Do not be afraid of friends - in the worst case, they can betray you.
      Fear the indifferent - they do not kill or betray, but only with their tacit consent does treason and murder exist on earth. "
      And the people who do not remember those of their fellow citizens who were dying of radiation sickness - they should not kick on the bates - on the head. Everything is connected. "It is necessary -
      not dead!
      This is necessary -
      alive! "(There Rozhdestvensky explains what and how it is connected).
      And dirty politicians, with the consent of the "simple" ones, will buy weapons (simple and not so) for money and with the approval of the same simple ones. And everything will become very difficult.
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  32. kelevra
    kelevra 4 January 2014 14: 37
    +1
    Japan is not just another country, it has its own mentality and, moreover, its views on what is good and what is bad! You cannot compare all other countries with Japan!
  33. Greenwood
    Greenwood 4 January 2014 16: 15
    +2
    Quote: homosum20
    you can not separate politicians and ordinary Japanese
    Can. And it is necessary. Just as few of us would like to associate and compare ourselves with the corrupt Russian government, so far from all the Japanese support their country's foreign policy. Believe me, from Vladivostok more visible. I once studied at a school with the study of the Japanese language, respectively, had the opportunity to communicate with Japanese students and teachers, and later with ordinary Japanese. In general, I know quite well the culture of this country and in many respects I admire it.
    To begin with, the vast majority of Japanese people are not interested in politics. Many do not know which northern territories the politicians are talking about on TV (the politicians do not really care about these territories either, they only remember them before the elections in order to drag a stratum of voters from nationalist circles to themselves). The attitude towards Russians, as well as towards Europeans and Americans, is very different. Tied in part to Japan's mediocre schooling, especially in terms of history. Many do not like America, knowing that they have dropped nuclear bombs on them and seeing the swinish attitude of the Americans towards the local population in the area of ​​the American base in Okinawa (the withdrawal of which they have been unsuccessfully demanding for many years). Others, on the contrary, adore America; after all, the official pro-American propaganda, acting after the war in Japan, influences the minds of the Japanese. Nevertheless, as far as I know, the term "baka-gaijin" ("bad foreigner") is applied mainly to Americans, Russians are never called that.
    It's the same with Russia. Many Japanese do not really know anything about Russia, except for some American clichés like "it is very cold, always winter, Russians often drink vodka, Russians are very poor, Russians live under totalitarianism." Others, on the contrary, read Russian literature, watch Soviet and Russian films, listen to Russian music (including modern music: for example, Tatu and Yulia Savicheva are very popular in Japan), go on excursions to Russia, are interested in the economic situation in Russia and generally love our country and they believe that Japan should be friends with Russia. We have more Japanese students studying in Vladivostok. There are many tourists in the city in summer. Japanese companies are making significant investments in our region, in particular, in the development of agriculture in the Far East, in the construction of factories in Russia. Festivals of Japanese culture in Primorye and Russian culture in Japan are often held. By the way, the Japanese really like that the Russians have "their own suburban areas where you can poke around in the ground" (they are about our summer cottages), they envy us in this.
    On YouTube there are channels of Russian video bloggers living and working in Japan, many are even married to Japanese women, I advise you to watch.

    Why did I write all this ?! Besides, you don’t need to make potential enemies of the Japanese and grind your teeth about visiting the temple. All Asian countries have territorial claims in relation to each other, but this does not make the possibility of war in the near future real.
  34. zbidnev
    zbidnev 5 January 2014 00: 29
    0
    Totally agree with you!!! Ordinary Japanese and politicians are two different worlds. Just like in any other country. We need to be friends with homes, families and cultures. And this is all political let him go to the forest and away!
  35. Stasi
    Stasi 5 January 2014 14: 58
    0
    Honoring the memory of war criminals and raising them to the rank of saints is unacceptable. If someone wants, he can find on the network or on this site a military newsreel occupied by the Japanese of China. There you can see how these brave samurai who are now worshiped tear open the bellies of the Chinese with swords and chop off the heads of the captives. And at the same time, these actions are accompanied by exclamations of approval! The Japanese did all this in Korea and other Asian countries they occupied. I must say openly - Nazi criminals, Japanese war criminals, as well as all their accomplices are on the same board. If we silently look at such things, it means that soon temples will appear in Europe in which they will honor all those who died on the side of Hitler.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 5 January 2014 18: 00
      0
      Quote: Stasi
      Nazi criminals, Japanese war criminals, as well as all their accomplices are on the same board
      Well, they are recognized by the world community as criminals, then what. Do you forbid the Japanese to attend this long-suffering temple? Then let’s be consistent, we will announce US President Truman and several of his commanders who developed and signed the order for the atomic bombing of the peaceful cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as well as the pilots who completed the bombing, as war criminals. You can also recall the monstrous bombing of Dresden. Then let's recall later times and the use of white phosphorus in Vietnam, the bombing of chemical plants in Yugoslavia, etc. For some reason, I do not see the shameful stigma and trial of the military tribunal over the people who carried out this.
      1. Stasi
        Stasi 5 January 2014 21: 18
        0
        The time will come and President Truman and his military leaders will be declared criminals. Also, no one forgot the bombing of Dresden, Vietnam and Yugoslavia. All these events are waiting for their Nuremberg tribunal and he will come.
  36. yxtr1025
    yxtr1025 13 January 2014 00: 02
    0
    very nice article!
  37. yxtr1025
    yxtr1025 13 January 2014 00: 06
    0
    A visit to Abe Yakusuni is a serious and dangerous problem. It affects the interests of not only China, Korea, and the United States, Russia. Abe and Japan still do not recognize the outcome of the Second Sea War.
  38. yxtr1025
    yxtr1025 13 January 2014 00: 09
    0
    Southern Kuril Islands are the results of the second war. and Japan is betraying the southern Kuril Islands. what does it mean.
  39. yxtr1025
    yxtr1025 13 January 2014 00: 13
    0
    What is UN? it is based on the outcome of the second war. and Japan claims to be a permanent member of the Security Council. terribly ashamed.
  40. yxtr1025
    yxtr1025 13 January 2014 00: 27
    0
    Do you know Detachment 731 of Japan? this detachment was engaged in the study of methods of conducting chemical and biological warfare with the help of the autopsy of living people. among them were Chinese, Koreans and Soviet.
  41. yang1982
    yang1982 15 January 2014 12: 24
    0
    You are well done !! cool guy !!
    Quote: maratenok
    damn drop them a couple more nuclear bombs, maybe then the brains will work am