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Oil and gas - Russia, weapons - Assad

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Oil and gas - Russia, weapons - AssadI want to share interesting news: The Ministry of Oil and Mineral Resources of Syria and the Russian company Soyuzneftegaz signed an agreement on oil exploration on the Syrian shelf with a total area of ​​2190 square. km The event is very interesting, significant, with far-reaching consequences.


Much of the gas, and the oil that Europe uses, is exported by Russia. The closest alternative is offshore oil and gas reserves in Libya and Syria.

Shortly before the Arab spring, Libya declared the entire territory of the Gulf of Sidra the territorial waters of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, raised taxes on Western oil-producing companies and invited a competitor - Russia. How it ended for Muammar Gaddafi, we already know.

Syria has not allowed up to this day any state to its territorial waters to extract oil and gas there. At the same time, in terms of oil and gas reserves on the shelf, this state can climb to fourth place in the world!

According to the head of the Center for Strategic Studies in Damascus, Imad Fawzi al-Shweibi, 14 oil basins are located on the Syrian shelf: “Only four oil fields - from the Lebanese border to the port of Baniyas - can provide a level of production comparable to Kuwaiti indicators,” he said.

A big tidbit for Europe, which makes it possible at the same time to get rid of energy dependence on Russia and at the same time get a solid sum: the large oil basins are not right in the Persian Gulf, but directly at their side.

The situation is downright tragicomic: dozens of wolves (Western democracies and monarchies of the Gulf) with burning eyes of greed have already tied up bibs, picked up knives and forks and prepared to share the prey, when suddenly the Russian bear flew past them, sweeping into the teeth so desired and tasty the booty that cost the “countries of freedom” so much money and effort ...

In my opinion, the decision of the Syrian government to give the Russian company exclusive rights to extract oil and gas is another nail in the coffin of the opposition, probably the sixth in a row.

First drove Russia and China, vetoed the bombing of Syria.
Second the opposition itself has driven in, by its cruelty and frankly terrorist methods, forcing many countries of the world to turn away from themselves.
The third drove into the government of Syria, having managed to rally part of the population and raise it to fight with external and internal enemies.
Fourth - This is the military and financial support of the allies of Russia, China, Iran and Hezbollah.
Fifth the rejection of chemical weapons, which beat out the reason for the United States to launch the bombardment of Syria, bypassing the UN.

What could be the consequences of this agreement between Russia and Syria?

1. Russia is now vitally interested in supporting the Syrian government, not only for political but also for financial reasons - and this is a very weighty argument.

2. Syria, which is in a deep economic crisis, will now be able to pay off all the debts of Russia at the expense of oil, which we will extract.

3. Everything said above means that we can supply them even more now. weapons, even more funds, without damaging their economic interests.

It is also very pleasant to realize that these oil and gas basins are located near our naval base and in the territorial waters of a friendly state.

Of course, the victory of the Assad government and the end of the war is still very far away. But this is another important step, bringing the victory of the Syrian people in the struggle for true independence, freedom and survival.
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  1. cerko
    cerko 2 January 2014 10: 08
    +68
    strong move, what can I say
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 2 January 2014 10: 17
      +98
      The move is not just strong, it is very long-playing, now the main thing is to hold in your hands what got by such efforts.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 2 January 2014 10: 46
        +83
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        , now the main thing is to hold in your hands what got by such efforts.

        You are right and it will not be easy. At the end of the article, a good question was asked, but the answer seems to me to be incorrect. The first swallows have already arrived in Volgograd, I think that no one has any doubts that our "partners" from the West are behind this, who bleed from their teeth from impotence, and so they presented us with such a "surprise" for the New Year that behind these terrorist attacks, first and foremost, it is an attempt to bring interethnic discord and conflicts into the interior of our society, because this is the only way to dismember Russia, and any other state. So the most difficult is yet to come, and we wish our flotation wise toughness, because the Syrian and Ukrainian gambits will not forgive us.
        1. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 2 January 2014 12: 04
          +58
          Quote: Sirocco
          So the most difficult is yet to come, and we wish our flattia wise rigidity, because the Syrian and Ukrainian gambits will not forgive us.


          You are undoubtedly right!
          And let them revel in their snot. who consider that it is necessary to obey the opinion of the world community, in the 90 they obeyed, we are still licking our wounds. And as soon as we began to behave in a businesslike, imperial, in our own interests, we immediately hear the whining squeals of American concubines, they say we are stifling the democratic impulses of the public and again we support tyrants !!!

          Under one of the articles, one of the users left a cool comment.
          If you spit in the back (... terrorist attacks are organized for the new year)so you are ahead (... they are trying to stop you!).
          1. Oleg14774
            Oleg14774 2 January 2014 12: 30
            +28
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            And as soon as they began to behave in a businesslike, imperial way,

            Five points for this offer alone! :)
          2. Gunsmith
            Gunsmith 3 January 2014 09: 46
            +4
            I do not understand - and who is the tyrant? Any ally of Russia? So it turns out. And the Saudis who sentenced to death a blogger who has his own opinion? Or is it normal to chop a head off in a square, like in a golem medieval?
            1. I'm Russian
              I'm Russian 3 January 2014 18: 17
              +1
              so they have Sharia law, in their opinion, the most correct in the world.
        2. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 2 January 2014 14: 18
          +14
          Quote: Sirocco
          You are right and it will not be easy. At the end of the article, a good question was asked, but the answer seems to me to be incorrect. The first swallows have already arrived in Volgograd, I think that no one has any doubts that our "partners" from the West are behind this, who bleed from their teeth from impotence, and so they presented us with such a "surprise" for the New Year that behind these terrorist attacks, first and foremost, it is an attempt to bring interethnic discord and conflicts into the interior of our society, because this is the only way to dismember Russia, and any other state. So the most difficult is yet to come, and we wish our flotation wise toughness, because the Syrian and Ukrainian gambits will not forgive us.


          The article is too primitive, but in some ways true.
          Syria is in need of money and is looking for funding sources. Russia did not impose sanctions on Syria, which is why our companies got "development and search". I would not look at this as a political step, there is more of a simple economy here.

          And I would not attribute a Syrian trace to the events in Volgograd. A much more important event is the revision of the policy towards the local princes in the Caucasus. There have been several arrests of major officials, including the mayor of Makhachkala. Medvedev began to fur the "local nobility" about the theft of gas and "misappropriation." Now there is a reorganization of the Caucasus under the new realities and many do not like it.
          In addition, security officials began to work harder before the Olympics. The militants are trying to take revenge.
          I personally don’t see any Syrian trace in Russian events. Moreover, Syria aired many hot heads through holes in the head.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 2 January 2014 14: 26
            +13
            Moreover, Syria aired many hot heads through holes in the head.


            Well said!!!
          2. Andrey KZ
            Andrey KZ 2 January 2014 20: 56
            +12
            Quote: Gluxar_
            I personally don’t see any Syrian trace in Russian events

            The Syrian trace is certainly not there, but the Saudi one is clearly visible. hi
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 4 January 2014 14: 08
              +3
              Quote: Andrey KZ
              The Syrian trace is certainly not there, but the Saudi one is clearly visible.

              Isn't it time to show "Kuzkin's Mother"?

              The image is clickable.
          3. bif
            bif 3 January 2014 15: 12
            +8
            Quote: Gluxar_
            And I would not attribute the Syrian trace to the events in Volgograd. A much more important event is the revision of policies towards local princes in the Caucasus.

            Strange logic ... But they did not think that these were all links in one chain.
            1. "Restless" Caucasus, stuffed with all sorts of Wahhabis - it was done by the hands of the Saudis and Qataris.
            "Under the pretext of the secession and self-determination of Chechnya, the Wahhabis unleashed a war in the Caucasus because they need money for a further struggle, there is oil in the Caucasus, and oil trade is their topic. The Saudis do not need to invent anything, but just drive them to familiar markets. and Chechen hydrocarbons. As you know, there are about 30 oil and gas fields in Chechnya, mainly within the Tersky and Sunzhensky ridges, and this is what the Saudis were aiming for. In Saudi Arabia, they believe that slaves should pay for their enslavement. "
            2. Syria and Qatar are most needed for Syria, first and foremost, Israel, the USA, the West, Turkey, etc.
            Both of these points are easily connected by the words of Prince Bandar ...
            "After all, he openly says that he leads gangs in the Caucasus! How long would he have lived during Stalin's time? Probably, he would not have had time to finish the sentence. But now you have to sit and listen to someone say that he will kill Russian soldiers ... It is quite clear that Putin, of course, is not idle. Knowing the pattern of his behavior, one can easily assume that this silence will be broken very soon and, most likely, Putin will speak not only about the tragedy, but also about the results of the investigation. can be sure that their special services are not asleep at all .. "
            "The existing Russian laws allow the president to destroy the enemies of Russia outside its borders, so now no one has a guarantee of survival, after the development and implementation of terrorist attacks. Those who doubt should recall the activities of the Russian special services in Qatar on February 13, 2004. Then the department, headed by Sergei Ivanov, sent the former vice-president of the so-called Republic of Ichkeria and the ideologist of the Chechen separatists Zelimkhan Yandarbiev to the forefathers, blowing him up with a plastid attached to the bottom of his car in the capital of this country, Doha. All traces are immediately visible. and paid for and organized all these activities. "

            http://www.contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3425-kto-vinoven-i-kto-otveti
            t-za-volgogradskie-terakty
            http://www.contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3426-sindrom-vtorogo-priznaka
            1. alexng
              alexng 3 January 2014 17: 56
              +4
              Well, after these attacks, this asshole Bandar didn’t have much time to stir up the water and crap on the ground. He signed his own sentence and now he has a problem with a dream oh. Dog canine death. For all arranged terrorist attacks, he will not evade responsibility. We are waiting for news about his sudden death. Putin does not throw words into the wind.
        3. lelikas
          lelikas 2 January 2014 14: 58
          +15
          Quote: Sirocco
          So the most difficult is yet to come, and we wish our flattia wise rigidity, because the Syrian and Ukrainian gambits will not forgive us

          This is where the Mistral and the very expensive Ash-trees are useful to anyone.
          In the early 90s, they also "slaughtered the tanks" - everyone loves you, you have no one to fight with, saw steamers on pins and needles, cut airplanes, and after all - they began to treat like a beast. Now it won't work - the past rake was enough for us.
          1. MstislavHrabr
            MstislavHrabr 2 January 2014 16: 22
            +9
            I agree, Mistral is needed precisely in the Black and Mediterranean Sea ... And it is precisely the base that is needed, and not the MO point. And the base with the airfield is needed now, and not tomorrow
            1. alone
              alone 2 January 2014 16: 25
              +1
              Are you aware that the Ural Misral does not have that degree of protection against air and from the sea under force majeure circumstances?
              1. Don
                Don 2 January 2014 17: 11
                +10
                Quote: lonely
                Are you aware that the Ural Misral does not have that degree of protection against air and from the sea under force majeure circumstances?

                So this is a landing ship, not a strike ship. He has other tasks and with cover he should go. Its anti-aircraft weapons are of course rather weak, but it seems like Caliber should be installed on it just against the ships.
                1. alone
                  alone 2 January 2014 17: 40
                  0
                  and they’re also going to beat the RCC from planes? in order for the UDC to be there, you need to have a group of warships nearby. pay a lot of money.
                  1. 31231
                    31231 2 January 2014 18: 54
                    +8
                    And what did Mistral want to drown ?! So we quickly poke pins in response. laughing And then unbelted.
                  2. Corsair
                    Corsair 3 January 2014 07: 35
                    +6
                    Quote: lonely
                    And it is still not known how much the size of stocks is economically profitable in order to pull together large forces of the Navy and still pay considerable money.

                    It is known to specialists. And besides, the world does not rely on the commercialism alone, there are things more valuable than material resources ...
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 3 January 2014 08: 36
                      +9
                      Quote: Corsair
                      , the world does not rely on the commercialism of one, there are things more valuable than material resources ...

                      By the way, in August last year, the government of Bashar al-Assad banned ANY settlement operations in foreign currency. From now on, only the Syrian pound is legitimate as a means of payment, which, when the agreements with Russia are opened, inflicts a significant blow to dolar hegemony.

                      1. atalef
                        atalef 3 January 2014 09: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Quote: Corsair
                        , the world does not rely on the commercialism of one, there are things more valuable than material resources ...

                        By the way, in August last year, the government of Bashar al-Assad banned ANY settlement operations in foreign currency. From now on, only the Syrian pound is legitimate as a means of payment, which, when the agreements with Russia are opened, inflicts a significant blow to dolar hegemony.

                        do not understand why? It’s just that everything will be like in Vinisuela, they also took 4 billion in the national currency and they paid the same loan only in bolivars, at the rate of the national bank, and it is only 6 times higher than the black market rate (they stopped trading on dollars ) and that’s it. how do you think Russia will return its money, and everything seems beautiful on securities? Why not, you set the course yourself, give it in pounds, and the fact that its real value is more than 3 times less than declared - who cares, Russia is generous soul
                      2. Corsair
                        Corsair 3 January 2014 15: 14
                        +5
                        Quote: atalef
                        do not understand why?

                        To understand the whole essence of the agreements, you need to be their DIRECT participant.
                        Therefore, I can offer the state of Israel to conclude a similar agreement with Russia ...
                      3. atalef
                        atalef 3 January 2014 22: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Quote: atalef
                        do not understand why?

                        To understand the whole essence of the agreements, you need to be their DIRECT participant.
                        Therefore, I can offer the state of Israel to conclude a similar agreement with Russia ...

                        What for? We were not direct participants in the agreements, but we know perfectly well the result of writing off debts, by the way, you do not mention the loan of 4 billion given to Chavez and .... will they give it away? .... In Bolivars, at the rate of the national bank of Vinisuela (more precisely, partial repayment of goods by Vinisuela pr (I don’t know what exactly), but in prices in bolivars at the rate of the dollar of the bank of Venezuela.
                        The currency in Venezuela is Bolivars (Bs.F), or “Strong Bolivars,” Bolivar Fuerte. This is what he called Hugo Chavez for patriotic reasons. The country has an official Bolivar exchange rate and the so-called “parallel” (black market rate). This is important to know in order to understand why at an official currency exchange office you will receive 100 Bs for $ 630, and 2700-2800 Bs on the black market. (Information as of June 18, 2013). But remember that the exchange is fraught with risks, so you need to change in parallel with trusted people.

                        Currency at the official rate can be exchanged at the "casa de cambio" exchange offices for 6,3 bolivars per dollar, and at the parallel exchange rate 27-28 bolivars *. Keep in mind that the exchange of "bolivars into dollars" is practically impossible.

                        If you are going to withdraw money from your credit card in official institutions (ATMs, banks, in stores), then you will receive cash at the official rate, that is, you will lose significantly. We can tell you how you can withdraw cash from the card in bolivars at the rate close to the parallel on the island of Margarita. This can be done in several places. You will be asked to give the card number, write down the address and passport data.

                        will you comment? In general, they are bred as children, now oil that has not only not been extracted, but in general has not yet been found, in a country where the war is not known at all when it will end, and if it does end, it is not known who will be in power, but nothing, as in the old joke all suck dough sea
                      4. 31231
                        31231 3 January 2014 23: 44
                        +5
                        Only you forgot that Venezuela is now the first in the world in oil reserves. And Rosneft is already there.
                      5. atalef
                        atalef 4 January 2014 08: 59
                        -1
                        Quote: 31231
                        Only you forgot that Venezuela is now the first in the world in oil reserves. And Rosneft is already there.

                        what's the point? even if they have nothing to give credit to?
                    2. Corsair
                      Corsair 4 January 2014 06: 15
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      By the way, you do not mention a loan in 4 billion given to Chavez
                      Actually, we are talking about providing the shelf of the Syrian coast to a Russian gas company ...
                      Make the same agreement, and then you will talk about the "pitfalls".
                    3. atalef
                      atalef 4 January 2014 09: 12
                      0
                      Quote: Corsair
                      Quote: atalef
                      By the way, you do not mention a loan in 4 billion given to Chavez
                      Actually, we are talking about providing the shelf of the Syrian coast to a Russian gas company ...
                      Make the same agreement, and then you will talk about the "pitfalls".

                      Strange you were not outraged by the title of the article, although it would be correct to say that Russia has an unexplored section of the shelf, Syria loans and weapons, then questions like
                      Conclude such an agreement --- fell away by themselves. a country in a civil war, the shelf has not been explored by anyone, and is there anything in doubt whether Assad will sit - the same question - but money now. Who needs such an agreement?
                    4. Corsair
                      Corsair 4 January 2014 14: 33
                      +3
                      Quote: atalef
                      Who needs such an agreement?

                      To us, even proceeding from the NEED to contain a fleet there to PROTECT RUSSIA'S ECONOMIC INTERESTS (let UNTIL and illusory).
                      Will this suit you?

                      Well, we will not leave Syria and the Mediterranean, as if this m someone, even very very I wouldn’t want to ...
                      Point.
            2. bif
              bif 3 January 2014 15: 30
              +5
              Quote: atalef
              Russia is a generous soul

              All economic miscalculations when using national currencies IMMEDIATELY disappear when the calculation goes through the cost of GOLD ... So Iran, India, China have been trading for a long time ... Not long left!
            3. atalef
              atalef 3 January 2014 22: 11
              0
              Quote: bif
              Quote: atalef
              Russia is a generous soul

              All economic miscalculations when using national currencies IMMEDIATELY disappear when the calculation goes through the cost of GOLD ... So Iran, India, China have been trading for a long time ... Not long left!

              Is Russia also like that? Further, no credit is issued with reference to gold prices, since these prices are subject to much more significant fluctuations, thirdly no one is trading like that, Iran is the only one that is under sanctions and does not have the ability to make money transactions and therefore carries gold - physically bullion - as a money equivalent, it cannot do otherwise, it’s not necessary to make the type of trade between countries, and especially lending
            4. bif
              bif 4 January 2014 02: 01
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              no credit is issued with reference to gold prices
              Is this you, as an experienced banker-financier, who claims? Are there more convincing arguments?
              to gold prices, t. to these prices are subject to much more significant fluctuations
              Why are you !!! The very same price of gold is an international benchmark ... By statistics, take the trouble to prove your words!
              thirdly, no one is trading like that, Iran is the only one, it’s under sanctions and is not able to make money transactions, therefore it drags gold - physically bullion - as a money equivalent

              I talked about the ratio of national prices to gold, and not about physical gold, as is the case with Iran.
              For the gifted example on the fingers, we give out a loan, say Ukraine .. in the national currency 1bn. RUBLES, counts the value in gold on the day of issue (now, for example, 1261,58 rubles / gram), we get today, for example, 792,66 Kilogram issued, return the same + percentage. Say, after 5 years, Ukraine returns RUBLES, but at the gold exchange rate for that year. Also any trade.
            5. Corsair
              Corsair 4 January 2014 14: 39
              +1
              Quote: bif
              Is this you, as an experienced banker-financier, who claims? Are there more convincing arguments?

              NO! In the comrade, the national mentality "speaks", the desire to see one's "gesheft" everywhere.
              And morality, moral principles, support for those in need are all secondary. SHEKEL...
      2. SSR
        SSR 3 January 2014 21: 53
        +5
        atalef and do you remember how the usa began trading in dollars with saudi and kartar? All knitted to the dollar))) and we are building a multipolar world. Here)))
      3. atalef
        atalef 3 January 2014 22: 15
        -4
        Quote: SSR
        atalef and do you remember how the usa began trading in dollars with saudi and kartar? All knitted to the dollar))) and we are building a multipolar world. Here)))

        no one knitted anything, the United States bought oil for its national currency, and do you think that America should have offered rubles? It probably suited the Saud, otherwise they would have refused
        Further, it dims the multipolar world, what do you mean?
  • lelikas
    lelikas 3 January 2014 13: 31
    +6
    The lone Mistral in Syria is a spherical horse in a vacuum.
    There is a good old Greek word - a squadron that explains everything.
  • Don
    Don 2 January 2014 17: 11
    +3
    Quote: lonely
    Are you aware that the Ural Misral does not have that degree of protection against air and from the sea under force majeure circumstances?

    So this is a landing ship, not a strike ship. He has other tasks and with cover he should go. Its anti-aircraft weapons are of course rather weak, but it seems like Caliber should be installed on it just against the ships.
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 2 January 2014 17: 15
    +6
    Quote: lonely
    does not have that degree of protection from air and from the sea

    laughing
    Normal air and sea protection laughing and another ship will protect him from threats from air and sea. With Enta Mistral junk, you still need to do something, and it’s better than rusting at anchor, and where does this Mistral swim if not in the Mediterranean Sea?
    1. Vasek
      Vasek 2 January 2014 17: 49
      +3
      Quote: Ivan.
      With Enta Mistral junk, you still need to do something and it’s better than rusting at anchor and where does this Mistral swim if not in the Mediterranean Sea?

      So maybe the Syrians can also resell it? laughing
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 2 January 2014 18: 39
        +3
        Greetings Vasek and the lonely]
        Quote: Vasek
        So maybe the Syrians can also resell it?

        The idea is great but not feasible, Assad will not overpay at times like us!
        Quote: lonely
        but it would not be more expedient to send there that which will stand up for itself? otherwise it is a dumb thing to protect oneself and another

        Well, this crap is not as independent as an aircraft carrier and even worse! It was created (in my opinion) against the banana republics, so use it against the povskakans or to protect Russia's interests in the region from provocations from local bandits, against "probable friends" this piece is nowhere and is in no way effective!
        1. alone
          alone 2 January 2014 18: 46
          +1
          I welcome Ivan. I completely agree with you. not that ship to scare someone with him. and still do not understand why they were ordered? for a show-off? too expensive for a simple show-off. in general I don’t know who and how, in my opinion I don’t a very successful acquisition. well, as they say, the train has already left, and they don’t wave their fists after the fight. It’s just the same place in the Pacific Fleet. At least from the operational point of view, the coast is nearby and you can protect it without straining. drinks
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 2 January 2014 19: 45
            +3
            Quote: lonely
            It’s just the same place for him in the Pacific Fleet. At least from the operational point of view, the shore is nearby and you can protect it without straining.

            And a Happy New Year to you! In my opinion, the mistrals have nothing to do in the Pacific Ocean except to pretend to be a target and banana republics in whose life would require intervention from Russia. France designs such ships as a means of control over the countries of Africa and the Middle East (in which they are fighting in the face of another provoked revolution or riots in order to impose their policies) as a colonizing power that has not forgotten the past, that is, "colonial" wars against weakened countries trying conduct an independent policy. Maybe I'm wrong.
          2. alone
            alone 2 January 2014 19: 47
            +1
            Quote: Ivan.
            In my opinion, the Pacific Mistrals have nothing to do

            Well, in that regard, as an effective means for the transfer of troops to the islands.
          3. Liss.
            Liss. 3 January 2014 09: 06
            +6
            I think this is a correct assessment of Mistral, Ivan.
            Floating Heliport.
            Need it?
            It is necessary if the Russian Federation claims to be the conductor of its policy, including by violent means in the countries of the 3rd world.
            In a military confrontation with technically equipped countries, the Mistral is a target.
            Not for war with NATO.
            For quarterly cleansing of Islamist ub-people in Syria, where surgical precision is needed, that’s it.
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  • alone
    alone 2 January 2014 18: 06
    +2
    laughing hi but it would not be more expedient to send there that which will stand up for itself? otherwise it is protective to protect yourself and another as something dumb)) wink
  • Corsair
    Corsair 3 January 2014 07: 40
    +5
    Quote: Ivan.
    and where does this mistral swim if not in the Mediterranean Sea?

    Mistral - the wind of the Mediterranean ...
  • Setrac
    Setrac 2 January 2014 19: 53
    +6
    Quote: lonely
    Are you aware that the Ural Misral does not have that degree of protection against air and from the sea under force majeure circumstances?

    And what degree of protection does an ordinary raft type vehicle have?
    1. alone
      alone 2 January 2014 20: 03
      +1
      why then should an ordinary raft be sent there? scare a hedgehog bare backside?)))
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 2 January 2014 20: 24
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        why then should an ordinary raft be sent there? scare a hedgehog bare backside?)))

        In the absence of another vehicle, the same mistral.
        1. SSR
          SSR 2 January 2014 22: 23
          +1
          + Many people forget that Misral was acquired for getting technology suo, and then of course Serdyuk and others ....
  • andruha70
    andruha70 3 January 2014 08: 05
    +4
    Are you aware that the Ural Misral does not have that degree of protection against air and from the sea under force majeure circumstances?
    so maybe-for this and bought these misral ... wink type: dear NATA, you will forgive us, of course, but this "trough" - without the accompaniment of "Moscow", "Varyag" and other nuclear submarines - is not able to sail ... lol we have nothing to do with it ... repeat all claims are to the custodians. laughing and we just accompany. wassat Happy New Year everyone!!!
  • Don
    Don 2 January 2014 17: 07
    +6
    Quote: MstislavHrabr
    I agree, Mistral is needed precisely in the Black and Mediterranean Sea ... And it is precisely the base that is needed, and not the MO point. And the base with the airfield is needed now, and not tomorrow

    And for me it’s better at the Pacific Fleet. In which case, throw troops to Sakhalin or the Kuril Islands.
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 2 January 2014 19: 02
      +3
      Why throw Mistral to the Pacific Fleet against Japan or China is ridiculous.
      1. Don
        Don 3 January 2014 12: 49
        +1
        Quote: Patriot.ru.
        Why throw Mistral to the Pacific Fleet against Japan or China is ridiculous.

        E-May. Do you generally understand the tasks facing the landing helicopter carrier? Yes, of course, he alone must confront the fleets of the two states. Do not grind nonsense. There are other ships to fight the conditional enemy’s fleets, and Mistral has the task of landing military units on land and supporting them with fire. At the Pacific Fleet, just in case of need, they just will not hinder, for a quick transfer of troops to Sakhalin or the Kuril Islands. And what tasks can he have in the Black Sea or the Baltic?
  • rolik
    rolik 2 January 2014 18: 26
    +13
    Quote: Sirocco
    So the hardest is yet to come

    The first and most important thing is to find and punish all, I repeat, all those involved in the bombings in Stalingrad.
    Artists, of course, will be found. The main thing is to find customers. Find and destroy, destroy approximately indicatively, destroy brutally. Do not smear snot with liberal values ​​and universal norms, they are not people. So that all around understand what punishment awaits everyone who dares to raise a paw on us. Here it is necessary to use the practice of SMERSH, it does not matter where the enemy fled, he will be found and destroyed. Do not look at either the situation in society or the country where they will find the cove. Only then, before crawling towards us, they will begin to think what might follow. Everything from executors to customers, and financiers should be eliminated.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 2 January 2014 18: 34
      +1
      What does SMERSH have to do with it? This organization existed for only three years and its only task was the security of the Red Army from spies and saboteurs.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 2 January 2014 23: 15
        +5
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        its only task was the security of the Red Army from spies and saboteurs.

        interesting, but is there no such organization in the modern army that does not protect the army. from spies and saboteurs wassat
        and now YOU have a lecture on history --- SMERSH was created with the aim of creating a separate organization with great authority comparable to a ministerial organization ... it was removed from the control of the NKVD, acting as a Directorate in a full-fledged structure reporting directly to the GKO ...
        By the way, not everyone knows, but the very first decree of the GDP was the OECD on increasing the powers of military counterintelligence bodies ....
      2. rolik
        rolik 3 January 2014 01: 56
        +10
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        What does SMERSH have to do with it?

        SMERSH, of course, has nothing to do with it. Moreover, the principles of its activities.
        Here are a few points that determine the activities of SMERSH, please apply them to modern realities and then you will see how this is necessary in the current conditions.
        Solved problems:
        a) the fight against espionage, sabotage, terrorist and other subversive activities of foreign intelligence in units and establishments of the Red Army;
        b) the fight against anti-Soviet elements that penetrated the units and institutions of the Red Army;
        c) the adoption of the necessary intelligence-operational and other [through command] measures to create conditions on the fronts that exclude the possibility of impunity for enemy agents to pass through the front line in order to make the front line impenetrable to spy and anti-Soviet elements;
        g) fulfillment of special tasks of the People’s Commissar of Defense.
        Smersh bodies have the right:
        a) conduct intelligence work;
        o c) conduct an investigation into cases of those arrested, with subsequent referral of cases, as agreed with the prosecution bodies, to the relevant judicial authorities or to the Special Conference at the People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs of the USSR;
        d) apply various special measures aimed at identifying the criminal activities of foreign intelligence agents and anti-Soviet elements;
        Replace the Red Army with the Russian Federation.
        And everything will fall into place.
        Do not be afraid to drop your image in the eyes of other countries if they find out that in some third country they blew up one of the leaders of radical Islam, a banker who provides money transfers to thugs, and so on ... other ... other. Calmness of people in their country is more expensive than political curtsy.
        Only this can stop the freaks, the inevitability of punishing everyone, I repeat - all those involved in the bombings. Russia is above all.
  • Simon
    Simon 2 January 2014 19: 24
    +2
    And my opinion is that Putin made the right move in this political chess game, beating both the Americans and the whole of Europe. In the future, this will have a very positive effect in favor of Russia. But the rest, of course, it is very unfortunate that there were three explosions in Volgograd, which brought a lot of victims, only the special services are to blame, which, in my opinion, worked very poorly. They should be blamed, relaxed and calmed down. In this situation, you can’t relax, especially on the eve of the New Year holidays.
  • air defense veteran
    air defense veteran 3 January 2014 08: 59
    +2
    The fact that the "swallows" would arrive was clear from the very beginning: since the end of the 90s, they had not gone far.
    Another thing, I personally did not understand until recently how Syria would pay for our help.
    Now everything falls into place.

    Although, I bet (knowing Russia) that our conditions for oil and gas are probably not bonded to Syria.
  • Vadim12
    Vadim12 4 January 2014 11: 54
    +1
    I also think that in Volgograd suicide bombers are not from the Caucasus, but by order of the emirates or from somewhere else, in revenge for Russia’s support for Syria as well.
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka 2 January 2014 12: 19
    -13%
    Quote: Sakhalininets
    The move is not just strong, it is very long-playing, now the main thing is to hold in your hands what got by such efforts.

    Hold on? This is a suitcase without a handle, carry heavy, and throw a pity. This article was written by a person who vaguely represents what the East is. This is our logic, and their logic is completely different, so this will be a big zilch, as it is not regrettable. But with this approach it will be, whether we want it or not. It seems that life has not taught anything.
    There were no allies and never will be, there is only interest. And interest tends to change, and in the East, this happens constantly and is absolutely not logical for us.
    It’s clear that I’m writing I don’t like it, and they will instruct me in the minuses.
    But some time will pass and this will happen, for it is inevitable. And again, everyone will grieve, about the ungrateful and vile, all as always. Only the resources that will be built there will be impossible to return.
    1. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 2 January 2014 12: 33
      +18
      Boy, come on with bile! In the east, they can value friendship and loyalty. And about East in this spirit, it’s the same as bears in Moscow, the Russian Vanka is always drunk and debauchery in the form of a gangbang was invented in Sweden and called the Swedish family.
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka 2 January 2014 15: 37
        +4
        Quote: Oleg147741
        Boy, come on with bile! In the east, they can value friendship and loyalty. And about East in this spirit, it’s the same as bears in Moscow, the Russian Vanka is always drunk and debauchery in the form of a gangbang was invented in Sweden and called the Swedish family.

        Firstly: dear, I’m not your boyfriend.
        Secondly: I don’t proceed with bile, what Russia is doing is the business of Russia and its people. This is their choice and their right.
        Thirdly: about the bears, don’t take me an idiot, I’m not like that.
        This is my personal opinion, and I am 100% sure that it will be so. For life goes as it goes, and not as we want.
        Remember the above, and after 10 years, God willing will discuss what came of it.
        1. INVESTOR
          INVESTOR 2 January 2014 19: 07
          +6
          But yes, how much did Egypt help in Soviet times? So what? He is very grateful to us now ??
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 2 January 2014 22: 37
            +5
            Quote: INVESTOR
            But yes, how much did Egypt help in Soviet times? So what? He is very grateful to us now ??

            She wants to help again.
        2. Liss.
          Liss. 3 January 2014 09: 29
          +2
          Are you able to make a political forecast for 10 years in advance?
          You are then truly great.
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      2. atalef
        atalef 2 January 2014 15: 55
        +4
        Quote: Oleg147741
        Arnisha, yes you come out with bile! In the East, they can value friendship and loyalty

        Well, well, did you live in BV?

        Quote: Oleg147741
        And about East in this spirit, it’s the same as bears in Moscow,

        In general, he wrote absolutely correctly. You simply do not know the Arab mentality.
        1. alone
          alone 2 January 2014 16: 02
          +10
          Quote: atalef
          You simply do not know the Arab mentality.


          I would not know would write)))
        2. Don
          Don 2 January 2014 17: 21
          +8
          Quote: atalef
          In general, he wrote absolutely correctly. You simply do not know the Arab mentality.

          Do you know him well because you live nearby? You have a biased attitude towards them because of a not very good joint story.
          1. igor67
            igor67 2 January 2014 18: 11
            +1
            Quote: Don
            Quote: atalef
            In general, he wrote absolutely correctly. You simply do not know the Arab mentality.

            Do you know him well because you live nearby? You have a biased attitude towards them because of a not very good joint story.

            Actually, we do not live nearby, but in it, you just can’t understand that Arabs do not live somewhere outside Israel, but inside, in my neighboring house there are several Muslim Arabs families, today I was in the hospital ward, received I’m an Arab Muslim doctor, also a Muslim Muslim brother, but there was only one Russian-speaking doctor in the reception room, the other Arabs, also in the Arab mentality: a million Jews from North Africa, the same Arabs in mentality,
            1. Ivan.
              Ivan. 2 January 2014 18: 59
              +8
              Quote: igor67
              one doctor is Russian-speaking the rest of the Arabs, also in terms of the Arab mentality: a million Jews from North Africa, the same Arabs in mentality,

              laughing And what kind of joy was it for you to move to permanent residence in an Arab country, is it really better than in the USSR?
              Now, if someone has not seen, excellent video, look you will not regret
              not staging! "afterword" from "internet star"
              1. igor67
                igor67 2 January 2014 19: 30
                +2
                [quote = Ivan.] [quote = igor67] one doctor is Russian-speaking other Arabs, also in the Arab mentality: a million Jews come from North Africa, in mentality the same Arabs, [/ quote]
                Question: the meaning of the video you uploaded to the article on the site has already been discussed many times
                I’ll answer right away the driver of a Moroccan Jew smuggles illegally from Palestine,
                1. The comment was deleted.
                2. Ivan.
                  Ivan. 2 January 2014 20: 54
                  +4
                  Quote: igor67
                  Question: the meaning of the video you uploaded to the article on the site has already been discussed many times
                  I’ll answer right away the driver of a Moroccan Jew smuggles illegally from Palestine,

                  No Igor really, I asked
                  And what kind of joy was it for you to move to permanent residence in an Arab country, is it really better than in the USSR? laughing

                  And I just liked the video and Israeli citizens of Moroccan origin simply reminded of him, I did not know what they were discussing smilebut he reviewed it again with pleasure. smile JUST ADHESIVE without malicious intent
                  PS In my question, is there anything offensive?
                  1. igor67
                    igor67 2 January 2014 21: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: Ivan.
                    Quote: igor67
                    Question: the meaning of the video you uploaded to the article on the site has already been discussed many times
                    I’ll answer right away the driver of a Moroccan Jew smuggles illegally from Palestine,

                    No Igor really, I asked
                    And what kind of joy was it for you to move to permanent residence in an Arab country, is it really better than in the USSR? laughing

                    And I just liked the video and Israeli citizens of Moroccan origin simply reminded of him, I did not know what they were discussing smilebut he reviewed it again with pleasure. smile JUST ADHESIVE without malicious intent
                    PS In my question, is there anything offensive?

                    Nothing offensive (I’m lying at a pace of 38) so shaw broke, where did he go? And who knows, there was practically no information on the computer, except for the beautiful promises of the volunteers from Israel, laughing the first thing that I saw at night was everywhere the lights were on, in Ukraine they always turned off us, only on certain hours, then they gave me a taxi and here I was shocked an Arab in a bale, it turned out a Jew came from Morocco, I drove a taxi the whole day, while he went to sleep many times , well on the side of the road there is a metal rattle, if the wheels get there from the vibration you wake up drinks
                  2. Ivan.
                    Ivan. 2 January 2014 21: 45
                    +3
                    Quote: igor67
                    I lie with the pace 38)

                    It is true that I went too far with 40 degrees, drink something 16-12 degrees, the temperature will drop. Happy New Year! drinks
                  3. igor67
                    igor67 2 January 2014 21: 54
                    +8
                    Quote: Ivan.
                    Quote: igor67
                    I lie with the pace 38)

                    It is true that I went too far with 40 degrees, drink something 16-12 degrees, the temperature will drop. Happy New Year! drinks

                    Thank! And you and all the members of the forum Happy New Year! Peace and goodness
      3. atalef
        atalef 2 January 2014 18: 26
        +4
        Quote: Don
        Quote: atalef
        In general, he wrote absolutely correctly. You simply do not know the Arab mentality.

        Do you know him well because you live nearby? You have a biased attitude towards them because of a not very good joint story.


        I do not live near. I live in BV.
      4. igor67
        igor67 2 January 2014 18: 48
        +1
        For big BV experts, tell me whose wedding it is?
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 2 January 2014 18: 50
          +2
          Hello, Moroccan?
          1. igor67
            igor67 2 January 2014 19: 19
            +1
            Quote: Alex 241
            Hello, Moroccan?

            Hi Sanya, yes Moroccan Jews, in Israel Moroccans celebrate weddings and songs in the Berber language
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 2 January 2014 19: 44
              0
              Quote: igor67
              Quote: Alex 241
              Hello, Moroccan?

              Hi Sanya, yes Moroccan Jews, in Israel Moroccans celebrate weddings and songs in the Berber language

              Where did you find such a miracle? belay I've been to a bunch of weddings where one of the spouses came from the Moroccan community, but I've never seen anything like it. Ordinary weddings with a jumble of Levantine, American, European, and often now "Russian" music.
              1. igor67
                igor67 2 January 2014 20: 10
                0
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                Quote: igor67
                Quote: Alex 241
                Hello, Moroccan?

                Hi Sanya, yes Moroccan Jews, in Israel Moroccans celebrate weddings and songs in the Berber language

                Where did you find such a miracle? belay I've been to a bunch of weddings where one of the spouses came from the Moroccan community, but I've never seen anything like it. Ordinary weddings with a jumble of Levantine, American, European, and often now "Russian" music.

                On the outskirts of the state laughing
            2. Rusich51
              Rusich51 2 January 2014 21: 07
              +2
              Quote: igor67
              Quote: Alex 241
              Hello, Moroccan?

              Hi Sanya, yes Moroccan Jews, in Israel Moroccans celebrate weddings and songs in the Berber language

              I marvel, truly Noah's ark is Israel.
              1. igor67
                igor67 2 January 2014 21: 26
                0
                Quote: Rusich51
                Quote: igor67
                Quote: Alex 241
                Hello, Moroccan?

                Hi Sanya, yes Moroccan Jews, in Israel Moroccans celebrate weddings and songs in the Berber language

                I marvel, truly Noah's ark is Israel.

                There are still such Jews laughing
  • Dezzed
    Dezzed 2 January 2014 19: 07
    +1
    Quote: Oleg147741
    In the East, they can value friendship and loyalty


    Maybe in fairy tales, Ali Baba, etc.
    Set an example of fidelity in the east and in general when mutual interests disappear.

    Have you ever been to the "east"?
    1. alone
      alone 2 January 2014 19: 10
      +8
      friendship and fidelity is a loose concept. but I can tell you specifically only one thing
      friendship and loyalty to the Arabs does not apply)))) hi Tested repeatedly in their own experience.
      1. igor67
        igor67 2 January 2014 22: 11
        0
        Quote: lonely
        friendship and fidelity is a loose concept. but I can tell you specifically only one thing
        friendship and loyalty to the Arabs does not apply)))) hi Tested repeatedly in their own experience.

        http://9tv.co.il/video/2013/12/28/45503.html. Простой пример как арабы относятся к своей святыне Мечети Аль-Акса
        1. Shur
          Shur 3 January 2014 19: 43
          +1
          Followed the link and read more ..
          http://9tv.co.il/news/2014/01/03/166285.html
          I looked at the comments-it’s not even Russophobia .. it's practically .. Yes, a short memory .. some representatives of the chosen people.
  • sichevik
    sichevik 2 January 2014 13: 13
    +22
    In Syria, Russia has more allies than in Ukraine. In the light of recent events, I personally become more and more convinced. Your Maydaun Sabbath is evidence of this. And the way you warmly support the fascist drawback. the prostitute's nickname and idiot Yatsenyuk, pulling Ukraine into the abyss, shows that in Ukraine there are less and less allies, and more and more enemies.
    And all this is very unfortunate ...
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 2 January 2014 13: 32
      +11
      Quote: sichevik
      And the way you warmly support the fascist drawback. a prostitute's nickname and idiot Yatsenyuk,

      and who supports them, especially
      Quote: sichevik
      hot
      ??
      Strange conclusion ...
      1. sichevik
        sichevik 2 January 2014 13: 35
        +6
        If no one supported them, then there would be no Maidan.
        1. alone
          alone 2 January 2014 13: 43
          -1
          Quote: sichevik
          If no one supported them, then there would be no Maidan.

          But what about the events of 1982, which went down in history as the Hama massacre? Then did they support them too? In countries where an ethnic-intensive or religious minority holds all power in their hands, this is not uncommon. In Syria, they also remember confrontation between the two Assad brothers for power)) Just take an interest in the history of Syria, especially after the 50s. there is a lot of interesting things, believe me, after reading all the information you will find the answer to many questions.
        2. Ivan.
          Ivan. 2 January 2014 16: 27
          +6
          Quote: sichevik
          If no one supported them, then there would be no Maidan.

          The Ukrainians went out to celebrate mostly not for someone but against, they use the same motive in Russia and not only, but the hoppazation is only trying to lead and "put on a team" for the people ...
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 2 January 2014 14: 39
      +14
      Quote: sichevik
      In Syria, Russia has more allies than in Ukraine. In the light of recent events, I personally become more and more convinced. Your Maydaun Sabbath is evidence of this. And the way you warmly support the fascist drawback. the prostitute's nickname and idiot Yatsenyuk, pulling Ukraine into the abyss, shows that in Ukraine there are less and less allies, and more and more enemies.
      And all this is very unfortunate ...

      Well, do not carry such nonsense. Maidan is just a project of political strategists. Ukraine is a part of our history and it is our people. The fact that people got their heads full of shit there, so the wind walked for almost a decade. In Ukraine, there was no default and GKChP, there was no Chechnya and terrorist attacks. Therefore, it comes to stupid heads more slowly. But sooner or later it will come. Recent events suggest that all the same, most Ukrainians are adequate people and stop believing in Western propaganda.
      1. sichevik
        sichevik 2 January 2014 16: 42
        +14
        I am very often in Ukraine. Two, or even three times a year. The truth is mainly in Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk and most often in Zaporozhye. Opinions on the construction of simple people know firsthand.
        By the way. Just yesterday, Ukraine celebrated the birthday of Bandera. Well there Lviv, Ternopil and the rest of western Ukraine noted. So after all already in Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk are getting late ... But Donetsk itself struck me the most. Even there, under the protection of law enforcement agencies, the nationalists held a rally and a march.
        But on May 9 in Lviv, the same law enforcement authorities indifferently watched Bandera beating veterans and stripping St. George’s ribbons from them.
        Here you have all the political technologies.
        1. Don
          Don 2 January 2014 17: 37
          +6
          Quote: sichevik
          So after all already in Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk are getting late ... But Donetsk itself struck me the most.

          Yeah, local representatives in freedom, there are a couple of dozen of them gathered. This is not an indicator.
          1. Dezzed
            Dezzed 2 January 2014 22: 32
            +2
            It is important not so much what people celebrate but what people do.
      2. Rusich51
        Rusich51 2 January 2014 21: 11
        +2
        Quote: Gluxar_
        Well, do not carry such nonsense. Maidan is just a project of political strategists. Ukraine is a part of our history and it is our people.

        Little Russians are our people, I don’t want their geyropeytsy to have all the cracks.
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 3 January 2014 11: 13
          0
          Quote: Rusich51
          Quote: Gluxar_
          Well, do not carry such nonsense. Maidan is just a project of political strategists. Ukraine is a part of our history and it is our people.

          Little Russians are our people, I don’t want their geyropeytsy to have all the cracks.

          One people, one story.
    3. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 2 January 2014 15: 40
      +3
      Quote: sichevik
      In Syria, Russia has more allies than in Ukraine.

      Remember the statement of Tsar Alexander about the allies, or do you think something has changed?
      This incidentally statement applies to every country, and whoever does not understand it is losing the country.
  • 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 2 January 2014 13: 26
    +13
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Only the resources that will be built there will be impossible to return

    "Do not pour salt on my wounds, do not cry out ...". Do not remember the USSR, brotherly assistance, those pid "ditch, which you and I were shit about". No screams, what has passed is passed. In the new conditions it is necessary to "build" both "friends" and "allies", and most importantly, the managers of the EEP. Only the priority of the NATIONAL over the INTERNATIONAL AND THE IRRATIONAL! Any opportunity to drive a stake in the ass "tsu" to common people "is welcomed and encouraged, no support for" tolerance "and other zapadentsev enticements! Gobatov and followers of Ebna" on the COL! Only the interests of Russia and its indigenous population (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Tatars, Mordovians, Bashkirs, Chuvashes, and other indigenous nationalities) are at the forefront of national policy, no common European (gay European) values!
    1. ty60
      ty60 2 January 2014 16: 21
      +2
      It’s too pathetic, but on the whole it’s true. Just don’t go over with the costs, it’s very easy to destroy what remains
  • HAM
    HAM 2 January 2014 13: 52
    +3
    The flag is on your "square", but for now ONLY your country behaves as you wrote, trying to throw everyone at once. I don't put a minus, there is no need.
  • xan
    xan 2 January 2014 13: 57
    +2
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    And interest tends to change, and in the East, this happens constantly and is absolutely not logical for us.

    For whom it is "for us", it is "for you" probably.
    but for us everything is logical.
    And for modesty, you need to remove your mentor tone, you just make you believe once again that "if Russians like to pretend to be fools, then Ukrainians are smart"
  • smsk
    smsk 2 January 2014 14: 00
    +21
    Hold on? This is a suitcase without a handle, carry heavy, and throw a pity.

    If Russia will conduct a competent policy in this region, not like in the 90s, and support the legitimate government of Assad, then I’m sure all investments will pay off. The opposition cannot be allowed to power; the supply center in Tartus must be turned into a full-fledged military base to protect its investments in the region. It is time for Russia to begin to defend its interests and join the big game, or remain in the backyards. Is this what most want?
    There were no allies and never will be, there is only interest

    As long as Russia will chew snot, it will not have allies. Respect will not fall from the sky. He needs to be sought
    1. ty60
      ty60 2 January 2014 16: 27
      +4
      And after all, nothing prevents you from covering the militants from your base. An example of mattresses is very seductive. Only a meticulous calculation, only a daily review of the situation. And a verified reaction.
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 January 2014 16: 35
        +5
        Quote: ty60
        And after all, nothing prevents the militants from covering their base

        generally interferes. veto in the UN of Russia and China. This veto implies a ban on all kinds of foreign forces entering Syria. Russian including.
        1. Don
          Don 2 January 2014 17: 40
          +5
          Quote: atalef
          This veto implies a ban on all kinds of foreign forces entering Syria. Russian including.

          This ban is not on the input of forces, but on the bombardment.
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 January 2014 18: 28
            0
            Quote: Don
            Quote: atalef
            This veto implies a ban on all kinds of foreign forces entering Syria. Russian including.

            This ban is not on the input of forces, but on the bombardment.


            Nothing like this. There is no question of any bombing.
  • Gluxar_
    Gluxar_ 2 January 2014 14: 35
    +15
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Hold on? This is a suitcase without a handle, carry heavy, and throw a pity. This article was written by a person who vaguely represents what the East is. This is our logic, and their logic is completely different, so this will be a big zilch, as it is not regrettable. But with this approach it will be, whether we want it or not. It seems that life has not taught anything.
    There were no allies and never will be, there is only interest. And interest tends to change, and in the East, this happens constantly and is absolutely not logical for us.
    It’s clear that I’m writing I don’t like it, and they will instruct me in the minuses.
    But some time will pass and this will happen, for it is inevitable. And again, everyone will grieve, about the ungrateful and vile, all as always. Only the resources that will be built there will be impossible to return.

    Well, commenting on a provocateur with such a low rating does not make sense at all, but it’s still interesting to look for logic in such posts.
    What makes you think that Russia is at least something worth the support of Syria? Except for the ephemeral "partnership" with the West, from which there is no real benefit? The fact that both Syria and Iran survived, but continue to remain enemies of the West, benefits the Russian economy. Oil is at least 10-15% more expensive due to the risk of a major war.
    These two states are sanctioned on all sides except Russia. Therefore, the Russian Federation has priority in their markets. These are two stable buyers of our weapons. In addition, the war itself is a good advertisement of Russian weapons. Both sides use it and show its effectiveness.

    Russia received a legitimate reason to return to the Mediterranean Sea, and immediately the status of the country was revised by many local players. Including Israel and Saudi Arabia.

    You can continue for a long time, but the meaning is clear. Now, I would like to hear that Russia is losing on this company and what means we are giving to whom. The Russian Federation gave Syria something? Gave money?

    Cliché opinions about Egyptian behavior are not an axiom. The same Syria has been and remains an ally of the USSR-RF for the last half a century. In any case, today Russia has outplayed both the United States and the entire West on the Syrian field, which has given the Russian Federation many new prospects. Russia has shown itself to be a loyal and consistent ally, strengthening its international authority. The volume of orders for Russian weapons breaks all records. Even many countries of the "Western bloc" choose Russia as their strategic ally. The same Finland chooses Russia for the construction of nuclear power plants and not France or the USA.

    If direct financial calculations are discarded, then that image of the position of the Russian Federation in the Middle East costs many billions. The USA spending hundreds of billions of dollars on Iraq did not achieve such respect there
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 2 January 2014 16: 33
      -5
      Quote: Gluxar_

      Well, commenting on a provocateur with such a low rating does not make sense at all, but it’s still interesting to look for logic in such posts.

      Well, you are like little children with this rating, a circus and nothing more.
      I am not a politician and I do not need a rating.
      I expressed my point of view, you are yours, and in 10 years we’ll see. Only strongly doubt that you will be happy.
  • ty60
    ty60 2 January 2014 16: 11
    +4
    Yes, it always has been so. If you don’t hold the ally’s throat in your hands, it will throw it unambiguously
  • Don
    Don 2 January 2014 17: 18
    +3
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    It’s clear that I’m writing I don’t like it, and they will instruct me in the minuses.

    Minuses will be taught because write nonsense. Have you ever been to the Middle East?
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    But some time will pass and this will happen, for it is inevitable.

    What is inevitable?
  • Simon
    Simon 2 January 2014 19: 34
    +1
    Interestingly, how do you hold your economic suitcase if Russia would not give you a financial pen? recourse
  • AVV
    AVV 2 January 2014 13: 58
    +6
    The interests of our state in this area are quite significant, the west has just opened its mouth, and they can do it by the teeth, now they need to consolidate their success and for a more effective struggle of the Syrian government with the opposition, it is necessary to launch this gas and oil potential of this country with the help of Russian companies! And finally put the terminators in this country, upgrade air defense systems, weapons in general !!! Because attempts to destabilize the situation may continue !!!
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 2 January 2014 14: 09
    +8
    Quote: Sakhalininets
    The move is not just strong, it is very long-playing, now the main thing is to hold in your hands what got by such efforts.


    The endos are still recovering, while some of the Sodomite seat will move already in cognition. With such assets, it is even good for Syria that some cities are destroyed - you can rebuild new and modern ones at the highest level.
  • Alexey K.
    Alexey K. 2 January 2014 14: 31
    +3
    The year began with good news. Encouraging.
  • atalef
    atalef 2 January 2014 15: 53
    -3
    Quote: Sakhalininets
    The move is not just strong, it is very long-playing, now the main thing is to hold in your hands what got by such efforts.

    There is no move. In Syria there are no confirmed oil reserves on the shelf. So far, these are only assumptions and nothing more. The presence of gas is possible in connection with the discovery of gas in the Israeli and Cyprus shelf.

    RUSSIAN ENERGY AGENCY
    Before the civil war, Syria was the only relatively large
    oil producer in the Eastern Mediterranean. Major role in energy
    Syria is played by the state corporation General Petroleum Corporation (GPC),
    Founded in February 2009. According to BP, the proven oil reserves in Syria are at
    the level of 0,3-0,4 billion tons, which is no more than 0,2% of global reserves.
    Deposits are concentrated mainly in the east of the country and partly in the center. About
    60% of the oil produced in Syria is heavy and contains a lot of sulfur. Most
    major deposits are Omar and Jbessa (up to 3/4 of daily production
    oil in Syria), they are supported by the Al-Furat Petroleum Company consortium, founded in
    1985. Currently, the consortium includes GPC - 50%, Shell - 29,7%, CNPC - 20,3%.
    http://rosenergo.gov.ru/upload/Syria.pdf

    This is a report by a Russian energy agency.
    Everything else is speculation. I'm not talking about how things will go further in Syria, in the current situation it’s not that production - exploration and trial drilling are not real.
  • Angry reader
    Angry reader 2 January 2014 19: 26
    0
    It’s not important to take the heights, the main thing is to keep it .. (c)
  • RUSSIA 2013
    RUSSIA 2013 3 January 2014 09: 06
    +2
    Yeah, PI N DO SUS probably shocked, and lovers of homosexuals (Europe) also itches in the back seat, Russia-Syria YOUNG.
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 3 January 2014 09: 24
    +3
    Quote: Sakhalininets
    Now, the main thing is to hold in your hands what got by such efforts.


    It’s evident that things are worthless in the world, because for these (and not only) previously ignored oil reserves, fuss began. Yesterday I watched an interview with the British, so they do not understand why Ukraine is climbing into a loop called Europe
  • Aryan
    Aryan 3 January 2014 10: 09
    +2
    Wrong title article
    must
    "Oil and gas to Russia, weapons to Assad, blow to the European Union"
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  • kris
    kris 2 January 2014 11: 04
    -8
    Quote: cerko
    Author Popov V.V. (GDP)

    what would it mean?
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 2 January 2014 11: 23
      +5
      Quote: kris
      what would it mean?

      This is from the series, if you send a person in three letters, someone will have an association with the HOUSE, someone else with the WORLD, but someone else, about the vulgar. As in the joke about Vovochka, (so you can reduce the whole bible to the vulgar) lol
      1. alone
        alone 2 January 2014 11: 43
        +14
        The first drove Russia and China, vetoing the bombing of Syria.
        The opposition itself drove the second in, by its brutality and frankly terrorist methods, forcing many states of the world to turn their backs on themselves.
        The third one drove the Syrian government, having managed to rally part of the population and raise it to fight against external and internal enemies.
        The fourth is military and financial support for the allies of Russia, China, Iran and Hezbollah.


        In order to prevent Russia, interested circles can do so, at the end of the end, having fully strengthened the opposition to overthrow Assad and establish chaos there. After the jihadists begin to establish their laws there, the Americans can put forth a resolution that provides for intervention in Syria to destroy the jihadists. then you have to support this veto.
        The author, of course, did a good job, all the more after a stormy celebration, but it’s too early to assume that Assad and Syria are completely safe. And, by vetoing the use of force in Syria, both China and Russia have committed themselves not to bring their forces into Syria The main argument of the veto was that one should not interfere in the internal affairs of Syria.

        So, not everything is so simple in matters of diplomacy hi
        1. Rusich51
          Rusich51 2 January 2014 12: 21
          +11
          dozens of wolves (Western democracies and Gulf monarchies) with their eyes burning with greed have already tied up bibs, picked up knives and forks and prepared to share their prey, when suddenly a Russian bear flew past them, carrying away in its teeth the much-desired and tidy prey that cost the “countries of freedom of freedom” "So much money and effort ...

          Half the battle is done, the enemy is stopped and this is the main thing. Syria will benefit from cooperation with Russia. Western wolves will gnaw and throw only bone to the people, unlike us. But these wolves have not broken teeth - Volgograd (Stalingrad) reminded us of this.
          1. AVV
            AVV 2 January 2014 22: 39
            +2
            The most important thing is that in the West they would put on diapers on time, otherwise this news would cause huge press verbal diarrhea among the Western press, they can’t put up with it, which is not according to their scenario, the directors are getting old, a bright representative of the latest Mr. McCain !!! If he came to support the opposition, then everything will go wrong, an old sign !!!
            1. galser
              galser 3 January 2014 18: 48
              +1
              I think the West is aware of FUTURE agreements and the answer is ALREADY ready. We see the POST-FAX situation. So these games have been played for a long time and have a certain experience.
        2. vaddag1
          vaddag1 2 January 2014 12: 26
          +6
          I think your opinion is the most relevant, precisely because of the lack of full certainty about the possible consequences. on the one hand, the first REAL argument (more acceptable for the whole world and its own population), which gives the right to put a bolt on the opinion of others - is protection of interests. on the other hand, the West, blown away in this conflict, can not only activate again, but also decide on the Libyan version. in addition, perhaps China was counting on such an offer (well, or a share), i.e. minus an ally. Simply put - have you been in a hurry to voice the fact, maybe you should wait until the Assad is better consolidated.
          ps a step has been taken - another argument that does not give Russia the right to screw it up.
          ps I think the tragedy in Volgograd has nothing to do with it, this is the question of the Olympics.
        3. Skiff-2
          Skiff-2 2 January 2014 13: 49
          +5
          Quote: lonely
          .Also, by vetoing the use of force in Syria, both China and Russia also committed themselves not to bring their forces into Syria. The main argument of the veto was that one should not interfere in the internal affairs of Syria.

          And why bring in troops, if now having a guarantee that Assad will accurately calculate and he has something to pay for, it is possible to dramatically increase military-technical assistance, including aviation (primarily helicopters, light attack aircraft) and the latest armored vehicles (the same "Terminator" for testing in combat conditions), as well as open a line of credit to attract anti-terror professionals.
          1. alone
            alone 2 January 2014 14: 14
            +3
            Quote: Skif-2
            And why bring in troops, if now having a guarantee that Assad will accurately calculate and he has something to pay for, it is possible to dramatically increase military-technical assistance, including aviation (primarily helicopters, light attack aircraft) and the latest armored vehicles (the same "Terminator" for testing in combat conditions), as well as open a line of credit to attract anti-terror professionals.


            firstly, there is no guarantee that Assad will pay off and with such ruins he will have nothing to repay. Those who are likely to pay loans do not write off, Dear! Let us reject our sympathies and reasonably objectively. Assad today fights at the expense of loans that Iran provides him.
            Do you think the United States just went to negotiations with Iran and is seeing some warming in relations between them? Do you think when the moment comes Iran will not turn its back on Syria? Ah, you say that Iran will not do it, because Assad is Shiite! So the fact of the matter is that the Iranians themselves declared the Alawites Shiites. The Alawites are a special caste, and there is little that connects them with Shiism. Iran just needed a transshipment point in Lebanon, where it has a Hezbollah corps. The United States is now trying to localize on to a minimum of Iran's actions against Assad. The West does not just sit and chew snot. With chemical weapons the issue has been resolved, and now they are deciding how to throw out Assad.
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 2 January 2014 14: 56
            +1
            Quote: Skif-2

            And why bring in troops, if now having a guarantee that Assad will accurately calculate and he has something to pay for, it is possible to dramatically increase military-technical assistance, including aviation (primarily helicopters, light attack aircraft) and the latest armored vehicles (the same "Terminator" for testing in combat conditions), as well as open a line of credit to attract anti-terror professionals.

            But it’s interesting. Are there geologists on the site? In Israel, we really went into development one out of three of the explored deposits. How much can be in Syria?
          3. ytqnhfk
            ytqnhfk 2 January 2014 15: 20
            +4
            To do the same as the Americans did in Libya, left their troops to "guard" their pipelines and refineries! So we can transfer some contingent to protect oil production!
          4. ty60
            ty60 2 January 2014 16: 38
            +1
            That's what I wrote about. The situation is changing daily. You need to be flexible, apply appropriate methods. And not just in the face.
        4. Setrac
          Setrac 2 January 2014 15: 10
          +2
          Quote: lonely
          In order to prevent Russia, interested circles can do so, at the end of the end, having completely strengthened the opposition, to overthrow Assad and establish chaos there.

          And before that, what were the "interested people" doing? Syria is sharing its riches with us, because they understand that they themselves will not fight back.
          1. alone
            alone 2 January 2014 15: 15
            0
            Quote: Setrac
            And before that, what were the "interested people" doing? Syria is sharing its riches with us, because they understand that they themselves will not fight back.


            Yes, because, the question was not that Syria will transfer its oil shelf to Russia. In this situation, the "interested" can move even faster)) You and I know how certain circles can act on the issue of oil and gas, wherever these deposits were not found.
        5. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 2 January 2014 16: 36
          +2
          You can’t send your troops in, so you can send the troops of a private security company that will protect the oil and gas industry workers living in Syria and developing the Syrian shelf ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 January 2014 16: 40
            0
            Quote: MstislavHrabr
            You can’t send your troops in, so you can send the troops of a private security company that will protect the oil and gas industry workers living in Syria and developing the Syrian shelf ...

            Well, after all, the exploration, drilling and construction of infrastructure (if something is discovered) is a matter of 2 weeks laughing
            What a private security organization. It will take years, and to protect at least tens of thousands of people and billions of investments are needed - who will pay?
            1. Don
              Don 2 January 2014 17: 50
              0
              Quote: atalef
              and to protect, at least tens of thousands of people are needed

              For the protection of oil production facilities? Are you greatly exaggerating? The facilities will be located at sea. The opposition has no fleet. Two battalions of marine corps and a pair of missile boats is enough. It all depends on the number of mining platforms.
              1. atalef
                atalef 2 January 2014 18: 30
                -1
                Quote: Don
                Quote: atalef
                and to protect, at least tens of thousands of people are needed

                For the protection of oil production facilities? Are you greatly exaggerating? The facilities will be located at sea. The opposition has no fleet. Two battalions of marine corps and a pair of missile boats is enough. It all depends on the number of mining platforms.

                Well yes . tell me, I see what and how much they are building to receive and distribute gas in Israel. Repair base. storage facilities, a point of reception and distribution of gas and oil, compressor stations and gas (oil wire) --- well, everything is in the sea laughing
                1. 31231
                  31231 2 January 2014 19: 00
                  0
                  You're not right. Many mining platforms are autonomous. But in the Eastern Mediterranean, the depths of the sea are large and it is easier to put onshore gas treatment plants and LNG.
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      2. 11111mail.ru
        11111mail.ru 2 January 2014 13: 42
        0
        Quote: Sirocco
        so you can reduce the whole bible to the vulgar)

        "The vulgar" in the era of Ivan IV in Russia meant "ordinary, ordinary".
        Unfortunately, and also fortunately, the "septuagint" cannot be reduced to a simple one, thanks to Ptolemy II Philadelphus. Do not philosophize in vain, dear!
      3. PSih2097
        PSih2097 2 January 2014 13: 48
        +7
        Quote: Sirocco
        so you can reduce the whole bible to the vulgar

        And what is there to reduce, it is so vulgar ...
        Abraham begat Isaac, Isaac begat Jacob,
        Jacob begat Joseph, Joseph begat Moses ...

        and then some garbage happened and women began to give birth ...)))
        1. Defender
          Defender 3 January 2014 01: 01
          +2
          In exactly the same way, you can talk about any ancient text if you do not "enter" it (historically, archaeologically, philologically, socio-culturally). And having a comedy club attitude to such texts, you spit in your PRAMATER! negative
        2. galser
          galser 3 January 2014 18: 52
          +2
          Quote: PSih2097
          Quote: Sirocco
          so you can reduce the whole bible to the vulgar

          And what is there to reduce, it is so vulgar ...
          Abraham begat Isaac, Isaac begat Jacob,
          Jacob begat Joseph, Joseph begat Moses ...

          and then some garbage happened and women began to give birth ...)))

          This bullshit Anglo-Saxons they were wise.
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    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 2 January 2014 12: 28
      +28
      Quote: kris
      what would it mean?


      And this means that anti-people bloody GDP gets an additional opportunity influence on pricing in the oil and gas market.And this is a serious blow to the Saudis. And given that the Russian NOVATEK will work on the Israeli shelf to build a pipe in the direction of Cyprus along the seabed, as well as LNG capacity (production of liquefied natural gas) that will allow Israel to export gas to Europe, this is already a serious blow to Qatar which carries LNG by tankers and actually had its own views on the construction of a pipe through its territory after the overthrow of Assad.

      According to the Washington Institute for Middle Eastern Policy, the think tank of the US-Israeli Committee on Public Relations, the Mediterranean basin contains the largest gas reserves, and most of them are located in Syria. The same institute suggested that the struggle between Turkey and Cyprus would escalate because Turkey could not accept the loss of the Nabucco project (despite the agreement signed with Moscow on the transit of part of the gas through Turkey).

      Revealing the Syrian gas secret allows us to realize the magnitude of the stake on Syria. He who controls Syria will control the whole Middle East. And after Syria, the gateway to the Middle East, he will receive the “key to the House called Russia,” as Tsarina Catherine II claimed, as well as the key to China, through the Great Silk Road. In this way he will gain the ability to rule the world, because this age is the Age of Gaza.

      From the article Syria - the center of the gas war in the Middle East
      So the anti-people GDP that has destroyed the country during his reign seriously strengthens Russia's position in the Middle East and, most importantly, can cut off the hands of sponsors and organizers of Wahhabi terror in Russia with a gas valve and an oil damper.
      1. Rusich51
        Rusich51 2 January 2014 12: 45
        +5
        Quote: Ascetic
        So the anti-people GDP that has destroyed the country during his reign seriously strengthens Russia's position in the Middle East and, most importantly, can cut off the hands of sponsors and organizers of Wahhabi terror in Russia with a gas valve and an oil damper.


        God damn you. +++)))
      2. kris
        kris 2 January 2014 13: 11
        +3
        Quote: Ascetic
        So anti-people GDP ruined the country during his reign seriously strengthens Russia's position in the Middle East, and most importantly, it can cut off the hands of sponsors and organizers of Wahhabi terror in Russia with a gas valve and an oil damper.

        About GDP - to the very point!
        but about the rest, if possible in more detail.
        Preferably with numbers and calculations.
        I would like to hear specifics from you. But not empty laudatory odes.
      3. Normal
        Normal 2 January 2014 13: 47
        -1
        Quote: Ascetic
        GDP .... seriously strengthens Russia's position in the Middle East and, most importantly, it can cut off the hands of sponsors and organizers of Wahhabi terror in Russia with a gas valve and an oil damper.

        Still not cut off for some reason. He overwhelmed the Caucasus with money, and K.T.O. they don’t stop there. Power departments from all over Russia are waging war on Wahhabis there, and the attacks in Volgograd are one after another.
        We didn’t succeed in crushing Wahhabism by money supply, now we’ll operate a gas valve and an oil valve ... with the same result.
        Interestingly, everyone accuses the Saudis and Qatar of sponsoring Wahhabism in the Caucasus and in Russia in general, and what amounts are transferred and how are transferred is silence. Why? Is it possible to correlate the amounts allocated to the Caucasus from the budget of Russia, and those amounts that supposedly transfer to the Saudi bandits with Qatar?
        I’m not even talking about the indulgence of Caucasian youth.
        Or now, after the victories of GDP in the Middle East, it will now behave humanly in Russia?
        1. xan
          xan 2 January 2014 14: 23
          +3
          Quote: Normal
          I’m not even talking about the indulgence of Caucasian youth.
          Or now, after the victories of GDP in the Middle East, it will now behave humanly in Russia?

          stop whining and whining about Caucasian youth.
          Lezginka has not been dancing for a long time.
          work is underway, and it is visible.
          and money goes to the Caucasus no more than to other subsidized regions.
          1. kris
            kris 2 January 2014 14: 33
            +1
            Quote: xan
            and money goes to the Caucasus no more than to other subsidized regions.

            be so kind as numbers to the studio!
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 2 January 2014 15: 16
              +3
              Quote: kris
              be so kind as numbers to the studio!

              Yes, how much you can drag these numbers into the studio, these numbers on this site have already been quoted more than once. The most dated regions are those of the Far East, not the North Caucasus.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 2 January 2014 16: 15
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                The most dated regions are those of the Far East, not the North Caucasus.

                Percentage of the budget?
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 2 January 2014 16: 38
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  Percentage of the budget?

                  Per person, for example.
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 2 January 2014 17: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Per person, for example.

                    We already considered this, but the share of subsidies in the regional budget is not yet available.

                    Count?
            2. 31231
              31231 2 January 2014 16: 15
              +1
              What have you forgotten how to use a search engine? And you can’t dial "Subsidies for Russian regions"?
          2. Arhj
            Arhj 2 January 2014 18: 22
            -5
            Money in the republics of the North Caucasus goes significantly more than in other subsidized regions. Chechnya firmly holds the leadership in subsidies both per capita and in total. Dagestan and Ingushetia per capita are in the top ten. The size of subsidies can be found in regional laws on the budget in the income column. But even not always successful attempts to create production and infrastructure are still cheaper than financing a full-fledged war.
            1. 31231
              31231 2 January 2014 19: 02
              +3
              On the! Study, since you can’t find in the search engine.
              1. Normal
                Normal 2 January 2014 22: 42
                +2
                Quote: kris
                be so kind as numbers to the studio!

                Quote: Setrac
                Yes, how much you can drag these numbers into the studio, these same numbers have already been cited on this site more than once.

                Quote: 31231
                On the! Study, since you can’t find in the search engine.

                Yes, indeed, these figures were repeatedly cited by pro-government on the site. If the paper tolerates everything, then virtuality will give the paper a head start and still plug it into the belt in view of its complete shamelessness and unprincipledness. What to take from them - from statistics and virtuality?
                Rђ RІRѕS, technical figures from the Code of Norms and Rules which you have to use during real life, as the climate largely determines the costs and needs for living in these territories.
                Average annual temperatures:

                Chukotka Autonomous Okrug (Magadan Oblast)
                Anadyr -7,6
                Ust-Oloy -12,

                Kamchatka
                Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky +2,1
                Tips -3,0

                Magadan region
                Magadan (Nagaev Bay) -3,5
                Susuman -13,2

                Nenets Autonomous Okrug (Arkhangelsk region)
                Kanin Nose -0,9
                Varandey -5,6

                The Republic of Sakha (Yakutia)
                Vitim -5,6
                Oymyakon -16,7

                Altai Territory, Altai Republic
                Bela +3,6
                Kosh Agach -5,9

                The Chechen Republic
                Terrible +10,4


                The Republic of Tuva
                Kyzyl -3,4


                SNIP 23-01-99 Table 3. Average monthly and annual air temperature, ° С. RF

                The maximum and minimum temperatures are given for the settlements of the regions (where such data are available).
                Is it necessary to speak about remoteness from the center, distances within the regions themselves, infrastructure?

                Why is Chechnya, whose average annual temperature in the capital is more than three times higher than in the capital of Tuva, receives more subsidies?

                I hope it’s clear that the climate in
                Tyumen region, Jewish Autonomous Okrug, Sakhalin region, Republic of Buryatia, Amur region, Primorsky Territory, Republic of Mordovia and Kalmykia will be cooler than in Chechnya and Ingushetia? And in the Transbaikal Territory and the Arkhangelsk region. even cooler than in Karachay-Cherkessia?
                So what ...., one asks?
                1. 31231
                  31231 3 January 2014 13: 12
                  -1
                  Yes. Only, you dear forgot about the 2 wars in Chechnya and the devastation after them.
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 3 January 2014 21: 39
                    0
                    Quote: 31231
                    Yes. Only, you dear forgot about the 2 wars in Chechnya and the devastation after them.

                    No, dear, I didn’t forget anything, but you forgot about the Russian genocide in Chechnya before the first Chechen war. They forgot how Grozny was (a Russian city founded and settled by Russians) before the Chechen lawlessness, what it became under the Chechens, and how it was rebuilt (better than before) with Russian funds.
                    Did the Heart of Chechnya mosque exist before the Chechen wars?
                    Do you see the devastation from them ... And the proud Hurons have nothing to do with it? Or before the Chechen wars and the subsequent flood of Chechens with money, the Hurons in Moscow rolled out on bentles and blocked traffic on the streets? They looted with golden pistols?
                    Like the tribute to pay with money, blood and girls?
                    Do you think that you personally will not be affected?
                    No where and no where tribute did not stop the barbarians, but only for a while delayed the massacre. Think enough for your age? Do you have children and grandchildren?
                    1. 31231
                      31231 3 January 2014 23: 47
                      0
                      The genocide of Russians was before the first Chechen one. But you are talking about subsidies today. Do not tell me, is there a genocide of Russians in Chechnya now?

                      Like the tribute to pay with money, blood and girls?
                      Do you think that you personally will not be affected?

                      You slide into delirium. You may pay tribute, and the budget pays the usual subsidies. And about the girls, you’ve blurted something out.

                      I worked with the Czechs in Urengoy in 2012. Believe it or not, these Czechs watched Uralskiye Dumplings and laughed. I didn't have a single conflict with them, although they were representatives of the customer.
                    2. Normal
                      Normal 3 January 2014 23: 57
                      -2
                      Quote: 31231
                      Do not tell me, is there a genocide of Russians in Chechnya now?

                      They decided to demroll me with demagogy?
                      It doesn’t work out - I'm already a sparrow shot.
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      5. Setrac
        Setrac 2 January 2014 15: 13
        +3
        Quote: Normal
        It was not possible to crush Wahhabism with the money supply

        Wahhabism is pressed differently, cutting off the Wahhabi masters overseas from the money supply.
    3. 31231
      31231 2 January 2014 13: 49
      +1
      "which will allow Israel to export gas to Europe, this is already a serious blow to Qatar, which carries LNG by tankers and actually had plans after the overthrow of Assad to build a pipe through its territory."

      Stas, I think you're wrong. First, Mikhelson (NOVATEK) needs to build LNG on the Yamal Peninsula. Secondly, gas on the shelf of Israel is either expensive at cost (large depths of the sea and occurrence), or is cheaper, but its volumes are scarce.
      1. atalef
        atalef 2 January 2014 15: 57
        -2
        Quote: 31231
        Stas, I think you're wrong. First, Mikhelson (NOVATEK) needs to build LNG on the Yamal Peninsula. Secondly, gas on the shelf of Israel is either expensive at cost (large depths of the sea and occurrence), or is cheaper, but its volumes are scarce.


        Why did you decide that? I somehow dropped the links at your request. You took it from there - but there was not a word about it. Maybe I missed something - toss the info where such conclusions come from.
        1. 31231
          31231 2 January 2014 16: 37
          +6
          Dear, what did you read in those links ?! It says how many billion m3 per year ?!
          Not at all from your links, but from other and non-Israeli sources, I found no more than 4 billion m3 per year. By the way, in Russia - 647 billion m3, in the USA - 615 billion m3.
          Tamar began to develop http://www.dw.de/can- or-israel-supply-europe-
          gas / a-16740394
          That Tamara has a total of 240 billion m3. By the way, the Urengoy field is 10 trillion m3. For the uninitiated, you can see the conditions of occurrence. And they are so terrible. 5 km of occurrence depth and 1600m !!!! water column. The Shtokman field in Russia is 3 trillion m3, the occurrence depth is 2,5-3,5 km, and the sea depth is up to 400 meters. They do not develop it either, because it is still expensive and there are cheaper deposits.
          Not for nothing, the Jews were able to sign for development only a Texas collective farm called "Nabl Energy". Exxon Mobiles and Chevrons did not sign up for this adventure.
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 January 2014 16: 49
            -2
            Quote: 31231
            Dear, what did you read in those links ?! It says how many billion m3 per year ?!
            Not at all from your links, but from other and non-Israeli sources, I found no more than 4 billion m3 per year. By the way, in Russia - 647 billion m3, in the USA - 615 billion m3.

            And what are we doing with Russia in gas production, we measure our pussy?

            Quote: 31231
            Tamar began to develop http://www.dw.de/can- or- israel- supply- with a European gas/a-16740394
            That Tamara has a total of 240 billion m3.

            Two lines ago you wrote that in Israel there are only 4 billion m laughing

            Quote: 31231
            Not for nothing, the Jews were able to sign for the development of only a Texas collective farm called Nabl Energy

            Indeed, Gazprom was not given. but I wanted to
            Recall that although French, Italian, Korean and Chinese energy companies fought alongside the Australians for the rights to Leviatan, the main contender for victory was considered to be the Russian Gazprom, whose interests were lobbied by Russian President Vladimir Putin and whose proposal was supported by the owner of Deleka Itzhak Teshuva.

            During a visit to Israel in June this year, Putin spoke of the creation of Gazprom Israel, which will cooperate with the Israeli authorities on the development of gas infrastructure, including the development of fields, gas pipelines and gas collectors.

            What about the cost price? Maybe you’ll throw off some link anyway. Or will it be all around the bush, but nothing concrete on the topic?
            1. 31231
              31231 2 January 2014 17: 51
              +9
              And what are we doing with Russia in gas production, we measure our pussy?

              You don't measure up. You talk about your "pussy" at every corner. For example, Vietnam doesn't talk about its oil production. But Israel has flooded the entire Internet with info about "countless gas treasures."
              Two lines ago you wrote that in Israel there are only 4 billion m

              Dear, you have not yet learned how to distinguish between annual production and field reserves. By the way, your Tamara's reserves will only last six months for Gazprom to operate. But the Jews have already flooded the Internet with articles that they will seize the volumes of Qatar in Europe. Moreover, your Minister of Energy divides the production volumes. "60% - he says - will go home, and 40% for export." Wholesalers, bl. Qatar is already shaking nervously from your ambitions.
              What about the cost price? Maybe you’ll throw off some link anyway. Or will it be all around the bush, but nothing concrete on the topic?

              But alas, this is not on the network. There are bright and ambitious plans, but there is no ins and outs, like with shale gas in the USA. Although if you follow the link I presented, there are some figures on money already invested. 2,8 billion euros for 240 billion m3 of gas. A shtokman of 3,9 trillion m3 needs 20 billion bucks. Total investment: 0,015 dollars per cubic meter of Tamara gas; per one cube of Shtokman gas, 0,005 bucks. So Shtokman, not only Gazprom, but also foreign Statoils and Totals do not want to participate in such investments.
              1. atalef
                atalef 2 January 2014 18: 33
                0
                Quote: 31231
                For example, Vietnam does not talk much about its oil production

                Is it more specific on the topic with links?

                Quote: 31231
                . By the way, your Tamara reserves will be enough only for half a year of Gazprom’s work.

                And? What does this have to do with cost as well as with Syria. Separate flies from cutlets already

                Quote: 31231
                But alas, this is not online

                Therefore, this gives you the right to your own unambiguous conclusions.
                A continuous chatter and nothing more.
                1. 31231
                  31231 2 January 2014 19: 17
                  +2
                  Is it more specific on the topic with links?


                  We type in Yandex "Gas production in Israel" - 656 thousand answers.
                  We type in Yandex "Oil production in Vietnam" - 309 thousand answers.

                  Moreover, they plan more gas than Israel to produce. But the noise and advertising are much less than yours.
                  Yes, the Jews, and the Jews, that PR and noise for ten "sheepskin", and God forbid, and get one.
        2. Asgard
          Asgard 2 January 2014 17: 18
          +6
          Well, as a geologist, I can say that the reserves there are small, that is, to the pipe (not enough for three years)) if Israel alone pumps ...
          The occurrence of gas and oil strata is the shelf of Israel towards Lebanon, the Lebanese coast, the Syrian coast and from there towards Cyprus ...
          We must look at the depths of the Mediterranean Sea and the presence of a sandy bottom, Turkey definitely not -there are rocks left .... and another feature is oil and gas-bearing strata-there are very thin (that is, small thickness))) so the wells will die quickly (which means that the cost-effectiveness of the problem and the cost of production ......
          I wouldn’t climb onto this shelf ...... Then there is a significant difference between RESERVES and Recoverable resources ... there will be 1: 8, 1:15 .....
          Problematic (but who is listening to geologists))))

          And political problems have not gone anywhere. The fact that Putin took the "WEAPON" away from the Syrian People did not give Russia any preferences (like Putin)) The "Jews" received the Nobel Prize - this is really THEIR SUCCESS))))))
          Assad will be finished (no matter how bitterly this is written)) Iran is establishing relations with the United States, it seems to be an Israeli side))) however, THIS IS NOT SO ...
          A bet on "soft power" - the goal is "to kill Syria" - and this is GEO-policy, and not selfish questions, like, to lead a pipe through the territory)))
          They achieve their goal in ANOTHER WAY, with the help of the "Putin" of Iran, the media ...
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 January 2014 18: 36
            0
            Quote: Asgard
            Well, as a geologist, I can say that the reserves there are small, that is, to the pipe (not enough for three years)) if Israel alone pumps ...

            If only Israel, then proven reserves will last for 150 years. Googling gas in Israel. Maybe then you will not be so clear-cut. As well as the places of extraction.

            Quote: Asgard
            I wouldn’t climb onto this shelf ...... Then there is a significant difference between RESERVES and Recoverable resources ... there will be 1: 8, 1:15 ...

            Of course. Israel has discovered the largest gas field in the world (over the past 10 years). Who will let you go. Gazprom was not allowed - all the more. I'm sorry.
            1. 31231
              31231 2 January 2014 19: 23
              +5
              Israel has discovered the largest gas field in the world (over the past 10 years).

              This is the hottest phrase that is written in the articles. For the most part, these articles are Jewish. Bggg. Still they would write that the largest of the open over the past 10 years is 2 months, 12 days and 3 hours. Yes, the ambition and pride of the Jews above the roof.
              Poor Gazprom, such money lost in Israel. Miller is not sleeping right now, he has bitten his nails thinking that someone is extracting his gas in Israel. laughing
            2. Asgard
              Asgard 2 January 2014 21: 15
              +4
              Listen (at least once)) to a specialist ............
              Well, media reports are not stocks, Sasha. As a rule, oil and gas are injected under layers covered with sands on top, this rule is invariable in Canada, Norway, Siberia, Tatarstan and, of course, throughout the east ... by the thickness of the occurrence, one can judge the reserves ... For example, Arabia is completely sandy ( reclaimed) peninsula, where the reserves are endless and very extensive-Israel is a mountainous country-and writing in newspapers about the fantastic and "the largest in the world" is from the category about the "Shale revolution" .... one "PolYagodki"
              So I advise, DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING WHICH WRITE IN NEWSPAPERS))))
              Remember Professor Preobrazhensky (the smartest person))) In order not to spoil digestion during lunch Do not talk about Gas and no newspapers CATEGORY .....
              1. atalef
                atalef 3 January 2014 04: 20
                +1
                Quote: Asgard
                Listen (at least once)) to a specialist ............
                Well, media reports are not stocks, Sasha. As a rule, oil and gas are injected under layers covered with sands on top, this rule is invariable in Canada, Norway, Siberia, Tatarstan and, of course, throughout the east ... by the thickness of the occurrence, one can judge the reserves ... For example, Arabia is completely sandy ( reclaimed) peninsula, where the reserves are endless and very extensive-Israel is a mountainous country-and writing in newspapers about the fantastic and "the largest in the world" is from the category about the "Shale revolution" .... one "PolYagodki"
                So I advise, DO NOT BELIEVE EVERYTHING WHICH WRITE IN NEWSPAPERS))))
                Remember Professor Preobrazhensky (the smartest person))) In order not to spoil digestion during lunch Do not talk about Gas and no newspapers CATEGORY .....

                But I do not need to trust the newspapers, the fact is that Tamar and Leviathan are developed with the money of investors (mine, including mine, I invested in it) and are obliged to close the so-called community
                The company must publish reports on forecasts and especially on confirmed reserves, money is playing here - it’s not newspaper men, it’s not lying here. Therefore, I know what I mean
    4. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 2 January 2014 21: 28
      +4
      Quote: Ascetic
      And this means that the anti-people bloody GDP

      Quote: Ascetic
      So anti-people GDP ruined the country during his reign

      Chef !!!
      What to do?
      Well, everything, everything is gone ... crying
      wassat
    5. alpenstock
      alpenstock 7 January 2014 17: 24
      0
      that's it. and then everything about "democracy" like to hang noodles for the townsfolk)) this is what democracy is now. not for the first time.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 2 January 2014 14: 05
    +5
    Quote: cerko
    strong move, what can I say


    A strong move will be when a marine brigade landed in Tartus to protect our economic interests ...
    1. kris
      kris 2 January 2014 14: 10
      +4
      Quote: Geisenberg
      A strong move will be when a marine brigade landed in Tartus to protect our economic interests ...

      And you can ask a couple of questions;
      and what to do next after landing marines?
      why don’t you still fight as a volunteer in Syria?
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 3 January 2014 17: 19
        -1
        Quote: kris
        Quote: Geisenberg
        A strong move will be when a marine brigade landed in Tartus to protect our economic interests ...

        And you can ask a couple of questions;
        and what to do next after landing marines?
        why don’t you still fight as a volunteer in Syria?


        1. Why should I ask questions?
        2. The answer is obvious, do not include a fool, protect interests.
        3. I have exceeded the draft age, firstly, secondly, mercenarism under Russian laws is a crime.

        Something else you do not understand? Would you like to ask?
  • Siberian German
    Siberian German 2 January 2014 19: 23
    +5
    and it’s good that we discarded these drooling and snot about shit democracy and began to understand that politics is just one of the sides of the economy
  • mirag2
    mirag2 3 January 2014 10: 21
    0
    Good afternoon, I beg your pardon, that I am writing completely off-topic, for some reason nothing new is visible, and even more suitable for the topic, what I want to say, I just learned on waronline.org that the Americans could not fight off our "Yakhont ", created targets with similar characteristics in order to work out the protection systems, and in 1995 we sold them the Kh-31 missiles, only without the seeker and warhead, then the Duma imposed a ban on the sale ...
    What kind of bastard did it, sold these rockets?
    And Israel writes that the presence of Yakhont missiles in Syria will change the alignment of forces in the region, but they also wanted to put the S-300 there, and Israel says (and in 2009) that "... in connection with the unrest in Syria the hope dawned that the UN would impose a ban on the supply of these weapons ... "
    .http: //www.waronline.org/analysis/p-800-onix-yaxont/index.html
    So who benefits from the war in Syria? + Do not forget that there is no water in Israel (the main sources in the Golan Heights ...) - there’s even a website that shows in real time the presence of water in their only reservoir — and it’s always less , at the limit of what is needed ...
    http://weather.israelinfo.ru/kineret
  • Nasledie
    Nasledie 3 January 2014 12: 09
    +2
    and now look what will happen in this region ..... Europe is again left without direct access to possibly cheaper Syrian oil and gas ... Now this is the platform of Russia and Russia will set prices without prejudice to its pipelines that stretch to Europe. ... From Syria is now another way to transport oil and gas to Europe ... Near Cyprus, which again automatically becomes a place for the accumulation of money capital, Cyprus want cheap oil and gas, provide space for our bases and now Russia has again staked itself a good place in the Mediterranean .... and here Russia begins to dictate its terms there again ... Turkey places the American missile defense systems on its territory against Russia, yes please - Russia introduced the fleet, parked Mistral, and now the whole region is under control .. .. The Turks decided again to check the Greeks for lice by violating the border, but please, only they wouldn’t confuse the Greek fighters with the Russian .... The Greeks will also want oil and gas - let’s give of course - only sell tourism business to us ..... Russia - keep this position and this status ...
    1. atalef
      atalef 3 January 2014 20: 06
      0
      Quote: Nasledie
      .. Europe was again left without direct access to possibly cheaper Syrian oil and gas ...

      In general, there is no oil or gas yet. They’d kind of say it, not only not mined, they have not even been found yet
      Quote: Nasledie
      .Now this is the platform of Russia and Russia will set prices not to the detriment of its oil pipelines, which stretch to Europe.

      Is that how? Will sell to the moon?
      Quote: Nasledie
      .Near Cyprus, which automatically becomes a place for the accumulation of money capital again, Cyprus want cheap oil and gas, provide space for our bases and now Russia has again staked out a good place in the Mediterranean

      did the author re-celebrate on New Year? Cyprus has its own gas, unlike Syria, already found, but has not yet begun commercial production
      Quote: Nasledie
      . and here Russia begins to dictate its conditions there again

      Writing off debts. So far this is the only one. what is happening and apparently will happen with Syria

      Quote: Nasledie
      Turkey places American missile defense systems on its territory against Russia, yes please - Russia introduced a fleet, Parked Mistral

      As I understand it, through the Turkish-controlled Bosphorus

      Quote: Nasledie
      and the whole region is under control

      Well, yes, in general, both Mistral are enough for this, and 4 that would control the whole world and outer space
      And when Buran is revived, it’s also a distant

      Quote: Nasledie
      .. The Greeks will also want oil and gas - we will give of course - but sell your tourism business to us ......

      They will sell it for the amount of debt to the European Union laughing

      Quote: Nasledie
      . Russia - keep this position and this status ...

      Flag in hand laughing
  • Nasledie
    Nasledie 3 January 2014 12: 09
    0
    and now look what will happen in this region ..... Europe is again left without direct access to possibly cheaper Syrian oil and gas ... Now this is the platform of Russia and Russia will set prices without prejudice to its pipelines that stretch to Europe. ... From Syria is now another way to transport oil and gas to Europe ... Near Cyprus, which again automatically becomes a place for the accumulation of money capital, Cyprus want cheap oil and gas, provide space for our bases and now Russia has again staked itself a good place in the Mediterranean .... and here Russia begins to dictate its terms there again ... Turkey places the American missile defense systems on its territory against Russia, yes please - Russia introduced the fleet, parked Mistral, and now the whole region is under control .. .. The Turks decided again to check the Greeks for lice by violating the border, but please, only they wouldn’t confuse the Greek fighters with the Russian .... The Greeks will also want oil and gas - let’s give of course - only sell tourism business to us ..... Russia - keep this position and this status ...
  • Raptor75
    Raptor75 2 January 2014 10: 10
    +32
    Many blamed on this resource that Russia was losing billions and trillions, supporting Assad. Aw, answer me ....
    1. Guun
      Guun 2 January 2014 10: 59
      +17
      I agree. The battle for Syria was vital, the moves were calculated for several years. Plans are being implemented, but here the main thing begins - a blow to Russia. They entered the war, which means it is necessary to win - but it seems to me that a new war began recently in Volgograd. The return move from Western partners. If Russia is not taken in by arms, it is necessary to give it to ourselves and pit each other. But they did it once, and why not try a second time? Do not forget, China will also be torn from the inside - what is not a reason to join forces? By the way, the militant was caught on the border of Kazakhstan and China, went to the Uyghurs - why? find out.
      1. ale-x
        ale-x 2 January 2014 13: 14
        +2
        Volgograd, I think, is not the procurement of Western "partners", but smaller jackals, but this does not change the essence. And they would have been implemented regardless of the compliance of the country's leadership. The only question is the scale of the atrocity. IMHO.
      2. ty60
        ty60 2 January 2014 16: 58
        +1
        An interesting fact: during the USSR, D.A. Kunaev, Uyghur ruled in Kazakhstan, now new clans are in power, even the capital was moved in order to cut off former officials
        1. Lindon
          Lindon 2 January 2014 17: 24
          +5
          Quote: ty60
          An interesting fact: during the USSR, D.A. Kunaev, Uyghur ruled in Kazakhstan, now new clans are in power, even the capital was moved in order to cut off former officials


          My dear, Kunaev maximum recorded Tatar, but not like a Uyghur.
          Kunaev’s mother and wife are Tatars. Where did the Uigurs come from? According to the male line, he is Kazakh until the 7 th kalen can be traced from him. At the Kazakhs, everyone knows their ancestors in the male line at least up to the 7 th calen. Kazakhs are not Jews and paternal nationality is considered.
        2. Kasym
          Kasym 2 January 2014 17: 50
          +4
          ty60. For information . Kunaev D.A. from the Kazakh clan Ysty. In Soviet times, our zhuzes and clans were not welcomed, it was considered a "relic of the past and savagery." Therefore, they often said that they were Uzbek, Tatar or Uighur so that there would be no such conversations. I know of a case when one person (Kazakh) at a gathering with friends was jokingly called the main one in such and such a Kazakh family. It ended up being summoned to the carpet in the party committee. It's good that the "friends" confirmed that there was a joke conversation and everyone was having fun. hi
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    3. My address
      My address 2 January 2014 11: 00
      +13
      I didn’t blather.

      Nevertheless, please do not use such expressions. Not good. The forum expresses their opinion. Moreover, there are clearly more than 99% of forum visitors being Russian patriots.
      1. Algor73
        Algor73 2 January 2014 12: 09
        +14
        I support you regarding correct statements. Everyone has his own opinion, which does not always coincide with the opinion of the majority (unless, of course, the commentator does not give in to the mood of the majority, such as "we have the best ..." - "the best, the best !!", etc.). Regarding the article, then indeed, Russia won the battle of the titans, but not in the battle. It's not that simple. Both Europe and the United States, as an ally, understand that this is a chance to gain energy independence from Russia. For this they will use all methods, and not always honest ones. It's only the beginning...
        1. alexdol
          alexdol 2 January 2014 12: 44
          +6
          Algor73 UA ". Everyone has their own opinion, which does not always coincide with the opinion of the majority"
          -------------------------------------------------- ----------------
          Totally agree with you! Moreover, the opinion of the majority is not always true! As an example, we can cite the same Copernicus and Bruno, who claimed that the earth is round and revolves around the sun, and this contradicted the opinion of MOST! Today we know who turned out to be right ...
          From recent history, you can recall all the congresses of the CPSU where only "FOR" was voted !? And what we have after that is also visible today ... And many people just "itch" to put you "-" if your opinion does not coincide with theirs ...
    4. valerei
      valerei 2 January 2014 11: 18
      +4
      Raptor75, I did not blather about the losses of trillions of Russia, but "ay, I am responding." The move, of course, is strong, but Assad let Russia into his oil and gas pocket not out of friendly considerations, but because he has nowhere to go. He is downright weak, at least militarily. The whole STATE! years! cannot crush any "opposition"! What is it about! At this stage, Syria and Russia have coincided interests, and then? Remember how many times Russia, and the USSR, was "thrown" by our "friends" and "allies"? Yes, what far to go - here are the former republics of the USSR and what? Except for Ukraine, Azerbaijan and Belarus, they all ate from the hands of the USSR and sat on its neck and suddenly the Russians became "occupiers", How! And these are those who have lived together for 70 years, survived such a war, and so on. And then some Assad. He will certainly betray at the first opportunity! And this agreement is a double-edged sword. I already wrote about this on this resource. Russia is creating a competitor for itself in the European market. However, Russia has nowhere to go: if we leave Assad, there will be others and that's for sure. One thing remains to hope: the drafters of this treaty would have enough brains to bind Assad to Russia with possibly strong ropes. However, no one reads us, except ourselves.
      1. Guun
        Guun 2 January 2014 11: 32
        -7
        Quote: valerei
        In addition to Ukraine, Azerbaijan and Belarus - everyone ate

        Yes Yes Yes. And did Kazakhstan gobble up from hand? We have everything except weapons! Where was Tselina? Cattle? Resources from the earth where did they go? Maybe on the contrary, you ate from us (forgot about how ALL cattle were stolen?) Thanks for everything, of course, but I will not tolerate such an attitude to MY country, which has done a lot for the UNION!
        1. Ram chandra
          Ram chandra 2 January 2014 13: 04
          -4
          I understand you, brother. These conversations that the fraternal republics only ate from hand completely knock out the desire to be in union with them again.
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 2 January 2014 14: 28
            +10
            Quote: Ram Chandra
            I understand you, brother. These conversations that the fraternal republics only ate from hand completely knock out the desire to be in union with them again.

            It's just that the comrade wrote provocatively, in the USSR, the funds were really redistributed through the efforts of the fifth column not in favor of Russia, but the republics are not to blame. Although it is a shame that during the collapse of the Union there were many screams and shouts and slogans that the republics were feeding Russia. By the way, even now the slogan will stop feeding xxxxxxx is very popular and you can substitute a bunch of countries and republics in it: the Caucasus, Serbia, Ukraine, Syria, Armenia, etc. The slogan "Let's not feed" is fundamental, it revives children's fear and selfishness in the minds of the average person and makes them go against the interests of the country.
          2. Sinister
            Sinister 2 January 2014 14: 30
            -11%
            hi Yes, we don’t need this union for nothing
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 2 January 2014 15: 19
              +1
              Quote: sinister
              Yes, we don’t need this union for nothing

              Uhhh? Soviet Union?
            2. ty60
              ty60 2 January 2014 17: 14
              0
              Flag in your hands
          3. Clegg
            Clegg 2 January 2014 16: 20
            -15%
            Quote: Ram Chandra
            I understand you, brother. These conversations that the fraternal republics only ate from hand completely knock out the desire to be in union with them again.

            Yes, no alliance with them is needed, we must leave all organizations: the CU (first and foremost, immediately), the CIS, the CSTO
            1. xan
              xan 2 January 2014 18: 27
              +5
              Quote: Clegg
              Yes, no alliance with them is needed, we must leave all organizations: the CU (first and foremost, immediately), the CIS, the CSTO

              of course!
              Kazakhs on the forum offended
              Open your eyes, cheer up, turn on your brain and intellect, and begin to enter into an alliance with the Turks, Iranians, Pakistanis, Chinese and other civilized, decent and generous peoples.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 2 January 2014 22: 08
                -3
                Quote: xan
                of course!
                Kazakhs on the forum offended

                Firstly ......deleted by moderator Apollo secondly, I am not Kazakh, and not Kazakh.

                I don’t see a fundamental difference between Russians and Chinese, Pakistanis and Persians. As my favorite Irish say: Sinn Fein.
                1. xan
                  xan 4 January 2014 02: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: Clegg
                  I don’t see a fundamental difference between Russians and Chinese, Pakistanis and Persians

                  I’m not proposing to open my eyes twice and think with my head.
                  not horse feed.
                  and about the 30s you don’t have to tryndet, you still remember the Russian tsars and Tamerlane, oppressed.
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 4 January 2014 10: 20
                    +1
                    Quote: xan
                    and about the 30s you don’t have to tryndet, you still remember the Russian tsars and Tamerlane, oppressed.

                    tryndim themselves about the Dzhungars))))))
            2. Arhj
              Arhj 2 January 2014 18: 31
              +5
              The controversy has moved to the stage of "himself." One thing we do not understand will not be reunification, even economic, the dispute over who feeds whom (komil) will become irrelevant. Together we will feed China.
            3. Sandov
              Sandov 3 January 2014 11: 27
              +2
              Quote: Clegg
              Quote: Ram Chandra
              I understand you, brother. These conversations that the fraternal republics only ate from hand completely knock out the desire to be in union with them again.

              Yes, no alliance with them is needed, we must leave all organizations: the CU (first and foremost, immediately), the CIS, the CSTO
            4. galser
              galser 3 January 2014 19: 34
              +3
              As I understand it, do you have a development strategy for Kazakhstan without the participation of Russia? Please state the main points.
          4. ty60
            ty60 2 January 2014 17: 13
            +3
            Exactly. Kazakhs have never been enemies to me. But the attitude towards Russians in Kazakhstan in the past decade is not much different from genocide. Now Nazarbayev decided to retain qualified personnel
            1. Andrey KZ
              Andrey KZ 2 January 2014 22: 10
              +3
              Quote: ty60
              .But the attitude towards Russians in Kazakhstan in the last decade

              Everyone in the 90 was hard on both Russians and Kazakhs.
            2. Clegg
              Clegg 2 January 2014 22: 11
              -7
              Quote: ty60
              .But the attitude towards Russians in Kazakhstan in the past decade is not much different from genocide.

              I don’t know about the genocide in question, but compared to the Kazakhs in the thirties, this is paradise.
              1. poquello
                poquello 2 January 2014 23: 02
                +6
                Quote: Clegg
                Quote: ty60
                .But the attitude towards Russians in Kazakhstan in the past decade is not much different from genocide.

                I don’t know about the genocide in question, but compared to the Kazakhs in the thirties, this is paradise.

                Your kindergarten neighbor didn’t steal a blue pot?
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 2 January 2014 23: 08
                  0
                  Quote: poquello
                  Your kindergarten neighbor didn’t steal a blue pot?

                  my child lost his blue pot? condolences
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 3 January 2014 00: 12
                    +3
                    Quote: Clegg
                    Quote: poquello
                    Your kindergarten neighbor didn’t steal a blue pot?

                    my child lost his blue pot? condolences

                    Thank you, the realization that, "but it would be," breathed a feeling of relief, no, not yours, and I don't hold grudges for kindergarten pots.
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              3. Sandov
                Sandov 3 January 2014 11: 30
                +2
                Quote: Clegg
                Quote: ty60
                .But the attitude towards Russians in Kazakhstan in the past decade is not much different from genocide.

                I don’t know about the genocide in question, but compared to the Kazakhs in the thirties, this is paradise.

                Being in Alma Ata before the destruction of the USSR, it was unpleasantly struck by the nationalism of the Kazakhs. Accident - refused to provide first aid.
                1. Clegg
                  Clegg 3 January 2014 11: 50
                  +1
                  Quote: Sandov
                  Being in Alma Ata before the destruction of the USSR, it was unpleasantly struck by the nationalism of the Kazakhs. Accident - refused to provide first aid.

                  Kazakhs are not angels, we also have many disadvantages and I am sure there are positive aspects. But then again, when compared with the 30 years of the 20th century, this is paradise
              4. alpenstock
                alpenstock 7 January 2014 17: 54
                0
                another victim of the famine?
          5. Kasym
            Kasym 2 January 2014 18: 45
            +20
            Countrymen, but out of knowledge the person wrote. According to statistics, there were 6 "donor" republics in the USSR. Kazakhstan including.
            But in general I think that one should not argue like that. There was one country, one Soviet people. After the Second World War, Ukraine was in ruins. They rebuilt everything together. There were nationwide and Komsomol construction sites. Karmet and Tselina, BAM and DneproGES and much more. Where the Communist Party said there and built, and people from all over the USSR went to uninhabited places, sometimes to a bare spot without any infrastructure. People built for their country, and not for any subject or republic of the USSR. Large industrial enterprises in small republics were tied to other industrial enterprises in other republics. Nazarbayev, at his last meeting with Putin, said that the Union should first of all call for cooperation of sectoral enterprises and thereby restore the necessary technological chains (for example, through the atomic industry). Do you need this RK? Yes, why build enrichment facilities (at least the authorities say so) if you can cooperate with Russia? It is better to transfer funds for the construction of the atom. stations - we will soon have a shortage of electricity. I also want to note that alternative energy is currently not cost-effective.
            We, "sitting" on this site, are ordinary citizens. And often we simply do not know what is going on in the remote parts of our vast Motherland - so there is no need to judge strictly. You need a little more delicacy. Otherwise, we will repel each other with our "harshness". By the way, I also sometimes "break down". But let's respect each other. hi
            1. alone
              alone 2 January 2014 18: 49
              +5
              Dauren, just the rudeness and arrogance of some is already somehow sick of it. If you don’t put these in place, tomorrow another Almighty knows what they will say !!
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 2 January 2014 20: 02
                +8
                Omar, BROTHER, HAPPY NEW YEAR! ALL GOOD TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY!
                Yes, I understand everything. And it happens .... But we are sitting here to convey the truth from our republics. They write and ask, what the Kazakhs built there themselves. It is necessary, sometimes gritting his teeth, politely respond. You can see right away that they are about us request are not informed at all. Yes, and I still have a decent teaching experience. And the "golden" youth sometimes anneals this:
                - YOU, you will set the standings already. You’ll bring home a record too ...
                What can you say here? And this is for the entire audience, for the entire course. Hunting to call in "plywood" - but it has to be delicate.
                - I’ll definitely do everything that YOU said, young man ... But only in one case. If there is knowledge. Otherwise, even the president will not help.
                And then the calls begin, in which you delicately explain the behavior of their children and their knowledge ... Often, then these children go to other universities.
                Something like that, buddy! This is our fate. Look at our comments growing up. friends - they are already North. Kazakhstan joined the Russian Federation. Well, this is already impossible to comment. It seems that our leaders are building the Union, there will be signing in the summer, and they are preparing to fight with the allies. What do you say here? belay They all live in the past - "there is nothing further than yesterday and there is nothing closer than tomorrow." All documents on the borders have been signed long ago, why stir up something. About Baikonur ... That is a completely separate song. Ours are already refusing to rent (to exclude all financial speculation and to show that we want full, equal and mutually beneficial cooperation, which we are ready to back up with finances), and many Russians think that we are almost living on rent. So I have to explain. Some, after all, only remotely, have heard something and have no idea about our reality. The same Muscovite. And by himself, a person is good and does not wish others harm. It's better to convince someone like that than to quarrel. hi
            2. novobranets
              novobranets 2 January 2014 18: 55
              +8
              Quote: Kasym
              But let's respect each other.

              I support you, Dauren, with mutual respect it has become somehow tense. But this is the basis of the relationship. hi
            3. Current 72
              Current 72 3 January 2014 00: 55
              +6
              I support you, Kasym! Our Belarus was completely destroyed, and thanks to the help of all the peoples of the USSR, we were able to recover from the ruins, for which Belarusians are always grateful to the people of the USSR. We should not blame each other for being a parasite, and unite everyone together and build a great country, which it was in the recent past. And as it will be called, the USSR, Russia, or the UNITED STATES OF RUSSIA it does not matter. The main thing is peace and brotherhood between our peoples. LET'S LIFE FRIENDLY AND PEACEFULLY !!!
              1. Sandov
                Sandov 3 January 2014 11: 33
                0
                Quote: Current 72
                I support you, Kasym! Our Belarus was completely destroyed, and thanks to the help of all the peoples of the USSR, we were able to recover from the ruins, for which Belarusians are always grateful to the people of the USSR. We should not blame each other for being a parasite, and unite everyone together and build a great country, which it was in the recent past. And as it will be called, the USSR, Russia, or the UNITED STATES OF RUSSIA it does not matter. The main thing is peace and brotherhood between our peoples. LET'S LIFE FRIENDLY AND PEACEFULLY !!!

                I support you brother. Some just break down and turn into hamsters.
        2. xan
          xan 2 January 2014 14: 10
          +6
          Quote: Guun
          Yes Yes Yes. And did Kazakhstan gobble up from hand? We have everything except weapons! Where was Tselina? Cattle?

          You know that, Kazakh, heap on your nose - wealth then has a price when you can get it first, then protect it. Your ancestors could not defend their land, and you could only get cattle without the Russians.
          1. Guun
            Guun 2 January 2014 14: 28
            -5
            Quote: xan
            You know that, Kazakh, heap on your nose - wealth then has a price when you can get it first, then protect it. Your ancestors could not defend their land, and you could only get cattle without the Russians.

            WE defended our land, we know history, we restored traditions, we didn’t lose our families, we raised the country, we live normally and WE ARE OWNERS on our LAND and not any visitors! Remember Russian - the Germans blinded you and wrote a story, poisoned you with vodka, and now you are nobody on your land. And do not forget that Alexander Nevsky saved you by being related to the Polovtsy and was friends with the Sultan Sartak - he paid tribute on time and saved him from the Livonians. And over time, the factories would have built the plants themselves.
            1. xan
              xan 2 January 2014 14: 46
              +5
              Quote: Guun
              And over time, the factories would have built the plants themselves.

              yeah, about like the Avgans.
              Quote: Guun
              WE defended our land, we know history, we restored traditions, we didn’t lose our families, we raised the country, we live normally and WE ARE OWNERS on our LAND and not any visitors!

              You got the country from the Russians, and you didn’t raise the country, but put it on the oil and gas needle.
              For reference: Russia in terms of oil and gas production has only just approached the RSFSR, and modern Kazakhstan has increased oil and gas production by tens of times compared with the Kazakh SSR. And GDP per capita in Kazakhstan is less than in Russia. Where are the achievements of independent Kazakhstan?
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 2 January 2014 19: 13
                +14
                Xan. I already wrote, so it’s easier for me to answer. Only for December 2013 was commissioned:
                1. Refinery (gold).
                2. Optical-electronic plant MIC (night vision devices, etc.)
                3. Pharmaceutical factory
                4. Plant of solar cells for sol. bat .. And thereby completed the construction of a full cycle of production for the production of sun. batteries from our own raw materials.
                5. 1 power plant in the sun. batteries in Kapchagai.
                6. 2 plants for metallurgy (one of them costs 300 mil dollars.)
                7. Automobile assembly plant box. auto sang young.
                8. 2 tankers in the Caspian.
                9. Part of the Autobahn Zap. China - Zap. Europe
                10. Asphalt-bitumen plant
                11. Something related to ambulances. In December, an ambulance helicopter assembled in the Republic of Kazakhstan was handed over in Pavlodar.
                As you can see, not one raw material projection. Ah, there is no Kordai-Chu gas pipeline branch and construction of another branch has begun
                Since the adoption of the industrialization program of Kazakhstan, 600 enterprises (industries, factories, etc.) have been introduced.
                Gold and foreign exchange reserves of 100 million. dollars, which is higher per capita than in Russia. This year Kazakhstan was among the 50 most competitive economies in the world. Now the authorities announce a new goal - they want to get into the 30-ku.
                So according to statistics, we look pretty good.
                In vain you gave an example with oil. In the USSR, we mined max. 25 mil tons, which was not enough for domestic needs. And the torch on Tengiz was burning (we did not even dream about Kashagan and Karachaganak). Now mining is over 70 mil. tons CPC and pipelines to China were built (Russia was given the right to pump 7 million tons of oil through one of them in China this year). A tanker fleet is also being built (by the way, we actually saved the plant in St. Petersburg with our orders for tankers).
                So such things.
                1. xan
                  xan 4 January 2014 02: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Kasym
                  In vain you gave an example with oil. In the USSR, we mined max. 25 mil tons, which was not enough for domestic needs. And the torch on Tengiz was burning (we did not even dream about Kashagan and Karachaganak). Now mining is over 70 mil. tons

                  Well, Kazakh, according to your figures, Kazakhstan produces XNUMX times more oil per capita than in Russia. Everything else is lyrics.
                  1. Kasym
                    Kasym 6 January 2014 01: 41
                    +3
                    And the list of enterprises that I cited is also the lyrics? Be able to adequately acknowledge your ignorance.
                    1. xan
                      xan 6 January 2014 13: 56
                      0
                      Quote: Kasym
                      And the list of enterprises that I cited is also the lyrics? Be able to adequately acknowledge your ignorance.

                      Does this somehow cancel the fact that you pump one and a half times more oil per capita? Maybe it’s also comparable with the Kazakh SSR? Russia in some respects in mechanical engineering, agriculture, and construction caught up with the RSFSR. Can modern Kazakhstan boast the same?
            2. Raptor75
              Raptor75 2 January 2014 15: 19
              +11
              I am glad for you that everything is so culturally so ... Only when the Russians came to you did they see only nomads and cattle breeders. Tell the history of your country to your natives, look at the Ukrainians, they have incendiary fantasies on historical topics. And who you were and who you become, we do not need to tell.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 2 January 2014 15: 48
                +5
                Quote: Raptor75
                I am glad for you that everything is so culturally so ... Only when the Russians came to you did they see only nomads and cattle breeders. Tell the history of your country to your natives, look at the Ukrainians, they have incendiary fantasies on historical topics. And who you were and who you become, we do not need to tell.

                Dear Raptor, I want to say the following, EVERYTHING, absolutely ALL countries wrote their history to themselves, just like Ukraine, with the same degree of reliability.
              2. Kasym
                Kasym 2 January 2014 20: 48
                +5
                Raptor75. "By humiliating another nation you cannot raise your own." I would like to show you something, not to tell. Found in the Issyk burial mounds near Alma-Ata. 5-4 century BC , presumably (90% probability) burial of the Kazakh clan Usyun. There was also found a huge amount of gold jewelry in the "animal style". All of this armor is made of gold. The finest work.
                "Golden Warrior" is one of the symbols of Kazakhstan.
                1. ale-x
                  ale-x 2 January 2014 21: 51
                  +1
                  It looks like in Atyrau the museum is very similar.
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 2 January 2014 21: 57
                    +2
                    .................................................
                  2. Kasym
                    Kasym 3 January 2014 01: 47
                    +2
                    ale-x. And this is it. I just took the first picture I got. And the captive looks like Alex 241. hi
                2. andrei332809
                  andrei332809 2 January 2014 22: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: Kasym
                  "Golden Warrior" is one of the symbols of Kazakhstan.

                  I understand that everyone around is now SUCH independent, including you ... I don't know "your (great Kazakhstani)" history, but just if you remember Anna Ioanovna and the Russian regiments ... and who asked for the intervention of the Great Northern Neighbor "...
                3. Raptor75
                  Raptor75 2 January 2014 22: 25
                  +11
                  I didn’t set goals to humiliate anyone, this is my answer to
                  Quote: Kasym
                  We live normally and on OWN LAND WE ARE the Hosts and not any visitors! Remember Russian - the Germans blinded you and wrote a story, poisoned with vodka, and now you are nobody on your land. And do not forget that Alexander Nevsky saved you by being related to the Polovtsy and was friends with the Sultan Sartak - he paid tribute on time and saved him from the Livonians. And over time, the factories would have built the plants themselves.

                  On the territory of Kazakhstan, Central Asia and the Caucasus, there were many cultures and even civilizations. Only to the appearance of the Russians did feudalism flourish there, and in some places a slave system. Maybe I’m exaggerating, but the Russians dressed, laundered, taught literacy all this breakthrough without asking for anything in return. In the new history of all these newly emerging countries - misunderstandings, everything is exactly the opposite. Who is pleased to see cattle breeders, nomads, and ordinary robbers in their ancestors. They begin to believe in their new invented story ... The Russian colonists, oppressors, etc. We do not demand to be eternally grateful to us, it’s just unpleasant when Russia and Russians are poured mud and blame for all their troubles. Just tired and very strong.
                  In countries where the Russians left, chaos and chaos immediately began. Now the local natives have filled the streets of our cities and are ready for any work for which the locals will disdain. We do not remember evil ...
                  And Kazakhstan was very lucky that at a difficult moment in its history, Nazarbayev was at the helm.
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 2 January 2014 22: 30
                    -1
                    Quote: Raptor75
                    In countries where the Russians left, chaos and chaos immediately began.

                    You tell the Poles or the Finns))))
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 2 January 2014 22: 50
                      +5
                      Quote: Clegg
                      You tell the Poles or the Finns))))

                      The Poles live off their overseas master of the United States, in addition they are Slavs, a white race. The Finns will not go against Russia, otherwise it will be like with Ukraine.
                      1. Clegg
                        Clegg 2 January 2014 23: 19
                        -3
                        Quote: Setrac
                        The Poles live off their overseas US master,

                        Well, you and we live off the sale of resources, so what? Is this more preferable? At the expense of the Polish economy, I will not argue that I am not familiar with the topic.

                        Quote: Setrac
                        in addition, they are Slavs, a white race.

                        not unambiguously, for example, Hitler considered you to be Untermans.

                        Quote: Setrac
                        Finns will not go against Russia,

                        If you do not come to "civilize" them, they will not be against you.
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 2 January 2014 23: 25
                        +5
                        Quote: Clegg
                        not unambiguously, for example, Hitler considered you to be Untermans.

                        These are Hitler's problems.
                        Quote: Clegg
                        If you do not come to "civilize" them, they will not be against you.

                        So far, "freedom and democracy" is carried by "USA end corporation"

                        Quote: Clegg
                        Well, you and we live off the sale of resources, so what? Is this more preferable?

                        This is preferable, because the Anglo-Saxons are famous for their betrayals, and the resources - they will not betray you.
                  2. Raptor75
                    Raptor75 2 January 2014 22: 54
                    0
                    I had in mind Central Asia and the Caucasus in the 80s and 90s.
                4. Andrey KZ
                  Andrey KZ 2 January 2014 22: 47
                  +3
                  Quote: Raptor75
                  when Russia and Russians are being poured mud

                  So no one is pleased when his country and people are being poured with mud. Maybe we will start with ourselves, and we will respond about other peoples correctly.
                  1. Raptor75
                    Raptor75 2 January 2014 23: 16
                    +4
                    Since the late 80s, we have been actively engaged in self-flagellation and self-abasement, and this could not pass without a trace. To restore self-esteem it will take VERY long time.
                    1. Andrey KZ
                      Andrey KZ 2 January 2014 23: 19
                      +4
                      Quote: Raptor75
                      self-flagellation and self-abasement

                      Do you think that if you start scourging and humiliating neighboring countries, self-esteem will return to you?
                    2. Clegg
                      Clegg 2 January 2014 23: 26
                      -7
                      Quote: Andrey KZ
                      Do you think that if you start scourging and humiliating neighboring countries, self-esteem will return to you

                      The whole point of Putin's foreign policy is to assert itself by the humiliation of neighboring countries. These are complexes.
                    3. Andrey KZ
                      Andrey KZ 2 January 2014 23: 33
                      +4
                      Quote: Clegg
                      The whole point of Putin's foreign policy is to assert itself by the humiliation of neighboring countries. These are complexes.

                      You know my position. Here I do not agree with you. How does Russia humiliate Kazakhstan?
                    4. Clegg
                      Clegg 2 January 2014 23: 38
                      -3
                      Quote: Andrey KZ
                      How does Russia humiliate Kazakhstan?

                      I didn’t write what exactly Kazakhstan, but neighboring countries. A lot of them)))
                    5. Setrac
                      Setrac 2 January 2014 23: 49
                      +3
                      Quote: Clegg
                      I didn’t write what exactly Kazakhstan, but neighboring countries.

                      Let's go without this your
                      Quote: Clegg
                      A lot of them)))

                      Namely first and last name.
                    6. 31231
                      31231 3 January 2014 10: 11
                      +2
                      I didn’t write what exactly Kazakhstan, but neighboring countries. A lot of them)))


                      Yeah, rare nonsense. Svidomo smacks of brain.
                      That is, the Russian Federation gives loans to Belarus and buys its products is this humiliation ?! But the overlap of the border with Ukraine is it the opposite we give freedom to nenko?
                      Maybe then the Russian Federation should not buy ore and grain from Kazakhstan. Why personally humiliate you?
                      I assume that you are an oppositionist of Nazarbayev, and you’re carrying such nonsense.
                5. Setrac
                  Setrac 2 January 2014 23: 34
                  +7
                  Quote: Clegg
                  These are complexes.

                  We love our facilities
                6. Clegg
                  Clegg 2 January 2014 23: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  We love our facilities

                  Topol M?
                7. andrei332809
                  andrei332809 3 January 2014 10: 16
                  +4
                  Quote: Setrac
                  We love our facilities
            3. Raptor75
              Raptor75 3 January 2014 01: 10
              +2
              Explain who exactly are we scourging and humiliating?
      2. alone
        alone 2 January 2014 22: 50
        +3
        Andrei, I don’t know who was washing whom there, but in my country serfdom was canceled in Russia in 1861, which was also a form of ordinary feudalism.

        Quote: Raptor75
        In countries where the Russians left, chaos and chaos immediately began. Now the local natives have filled the streets of our cities and are ready for any work for which the locals will disdain.


        And this is all because the local Bais are sitting there, rowing all the sub-gangs and have the support of your rulers. It’s just yours and yours that these unfortunate people are melted to Russia. And yours is also beneficial for them))
        1. Raptor75
          Raptor75 2 January 2014 23: 35
          +3
          Quote: lonely
          Andrei, I don’t know who was washing whom there, but in my country serfdom was canceled in Russia in 1861, which was also a form of ordinary feudalism.

          By the time of the abolition, serfdom was an anachronism so obsolete that it became almost a formality.
          Now we judge serfdom the way it was written in Soviet textbooks - "the land of slaves, the land of masters", etc. But how can slaves create a gigantic empire that occupies 1/6 of the land? Create culture, develop science, have a powerful army? This is for sure created by all the slaves ???
          Something tells me that our ancestors had very good reasons for creating serfdom and maintaining it for centuries
          Quote: lonely
          And this is all because the local Bais are sitting there, rowing all the sub-gangs and have the support of your rulers. It’s just yours and yours that these unfortunate people are melted to Russia. And yours is also beneficial for them))

          And also the fact that with the departure of the Russians, all industry was bent and the able-bodied population was left without work.
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 2 January 2014 23: 40
            -1
            Quote: Raptor75
            Something tells me that our ancestors had very good reasons for creating serfdom and maintaining it for centuries

            Let us in fact, not in your speculation. I will not talk about the Uzbeks, but we did not have slavery.
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 2 January 2014 23: 52
            +4
            Quote: Clegg
            Let us in fact, not in your speculation. I will not talk about the Uzbeks, but we did not have slavery.

            The main thing is to believe it yourself.
          3. Ivan.
            Ivan. 3 January 2014 00: 36
            +4
            Quote: Clegg
            I will not talk about the Uzbeks, but we did not have slavery.

            You had a different form of slavery, in all countries there was one form or another of slavery. In the United States, it was canceled not out of humanism, but because it has outlived itself and has become unprofitable. And in other countries it was getting used to moving into new forms based on local characteristics, and it is also true that capitalism is also a form of slavery, powdered, flavored with ideology but slavery.
          4. Raptor75
            Raptor75 3 January 2014 00: 40
            0
            This is not speculation, this is my personal opinion. For me, serfdom and slavery are not synonymous.
            The facts will appear when the sane historian will deal with the cause of the emergence, development and end of serfdom. Now it is not interesting to anyone.
          5. Rusich51
            Rusich51 3 January 2014 08: 25
            +1
            Quote: Clegg
            Quote: Raptor75
            Something tells me that our ancestors had very good reasons for creating serfdom and maintaining it for centuries

            Let us in fact, not in your speculation. I will not talk about the Uzbeks, but we did not have slavery.

            Sadly enough, there was slavery and there was a slave trade. No need to deny the obvious. Take it for granted. Russia's influence on Kazakhstan was positive.
          6. Clegg
            Clegg 3 January 2014 10: 55
            -1
            Quote: Rusich51
            Russia's influence on Kazakhstan was positive.

            disagree and stupid to try to convince me.
          7. Sandov
            Sandov 3 January 2014 11: 42
            +1
            Quote: Clegg
            Quote: Rusich51
            Russia's influence on Kazakhstan was positive.

            disagree and stupid to try to convince me.

            It seems people are educated and carry medieval nonsense. I did not expect such shit from the Kazakhs.
          8. Clegg
            Clegg 3 January 2014 11: 48
            -1
            Quote: Sandov
            It seems people are educated and carry medieval nonsense. I did not expect such shit from the Kazakhs.

            It seems that the Russians are also not stupid, but they carry nonsense about the Kazakhs.
            Although it is expected
          9. Sandov
            Sandov 3 January 2014 13: 00
            +1
            Quote: Clegg
            Quote: Sandov
            It seems people are educated and carry medieval nonsense. I did not expect such shit from the Kazakhs.

            It seems that the Russians are also not stupid, but they carry nonsense about the Kazakhs.
            Although it is expected

            You disappointed me.
          10. Clegg
            Clegg 3 January 2014 13: 02
            +1
            Quote: Sandov
            You disappointed me.

            did not try to charm you, you first read the comments of your fellow tribesmen.
    5. galser
      galser 3 January 2014 19: 52
      +2
      Because of people like you about Kazakhs or Kazakhstanis, an opinion is formed as savages and the more you try to defend some point of view (I'm talking about the method that you use) only aggravates the attitude towards us.
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 3 January 2014 12: 41
    +8
    Quote: Rusich51
    . Russia's influence on Kazakhstan was positive.

    And not only to Kazakhstan.
    How many diseases (I’m not going to call them smart and understand, or they know), Russian Zemstvo doctors have raked out of Central Asia - now no one remembers. The Russian Empire brought to Central Asia all the benefits of the then civilization. The attitude of Russian citizens and local Aboriginal people is fundamentally different from the relationship between the British and the natives in India or, for example, in Afghanistan.
  • Sandov
    Sandov 3 January 2014 13: 02
    +2
    Quote: stalkerwalker
    Quote: Rusich51
    . Russia's influence on Kazakhstan was positive.

    And not only to Kazakhstan.
    How many diseases (I’m not going to call them smart and understand, or they know), Russian Zemstvo doctors have raked out of Central Asia - now no one remembers. The Russian Empire brought to Central Asia all the benefits of the then civilization. The attitude of Russian citizens and local Aboriginal people is fundamentally different from the relationship between the British and the natives in India or, for example, in Afghanistan.

    Western liberals would have cut out and not asked for the name.
  • Sandov
    Sandov 3 January 2014 11: 39
    0
    Quote: Clegg
    Quote: Raptor75
    Something tells me that our ancestors had very good reasons for creating serfdom and maintaining it for centuries

    Let us in fact, not in your speculation. I will not talk about the Uzbeks, but we did not have slavery.

    There was a slave trade, we must admit it.
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 3 January 2014 00: 26
    +2
    Quote: Raptor75
    Something tells me that our ancestors had very good reasons for creating serfdom and maintaining it for centuries

    But something tells me that there was no such reason. But let's not guess.
    Quote: Raptor75
    And also the fact that with the departure of the Russians, all industry was bent and the able-bodied population was left without work.

    The same is not the point, they destroyed the USSR as a whole and in parts, ask our colleagues where there were no NATO advisers. The Tsereushniki and their economic advisers were shitting everywhere and inoculating the economies of our countries with the viruses of "shock therapy" + crushed the terms of their predatory "loans". In general, they ruined everything and everywhere, and the Russians did not leave themselves, they "left", which was part of the plan for the collapse of the country and inciting national conflicts ...
  • Kasym
    Kasym 3 January 2014 04: 35
    +5
    Omar, dear brother! I decided to answer your letter not in PM, but directly. Because you are touching on hot topics.
    I gave a list of enterprises commissioned in just 1 month last year, because a direct question was asked from Xan. I posted the report of the authorities without any hint. Let him think. For him, I can add that the full production cycle of sun. 4-5 countries have batteries.
    Now why am I for the Union. If we analyze the history of the post-Soviet countries. That can be said that many "started" from different positions. Somewhere (Moldova, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Tajikistan and Russia) there were wars. And that is why I perfectly understand the aspirations of Azerbaijanis (all resources and funds have been thrown only to resolve one issue - Nagorno-Karabakh), Russians with an interethnic issue. Our situation was different. Yes, we faced devastation, but the war that everyone predicted for us did not happen. The decision on the national question was laid down in the 90s and something is constantly being finalized (for example, the status of the Assembly of the Peoples of Kazakhstan, a ban on parties and movements based on nationality and religion).
    From an economic point of view. Without vehicle, hired west. economic gurus predicted the development of only 7 areas in the economy. All point. Only raw materials and industries associated with it and a few villages. households and tourism. Forget about livestock and industrial development. Do we have to put up with this? We have a different task: to become one of the 30 most competitive economies in the world and move away from dependence on raw materials. Such ambitions run counter to the wishes of the West. Therefore, we are not expected anywhere with our goods. Neither in the PRC nor in the West - "graze in your garden", markets are closed everywhere. And we want deep processing and technology. Therefore, we decided to create our own market. And all the advantages for those countries who are now creating it. And I believe that all the wishes of Kazakhstan will be taken into account.
    And one more reason why I am for the Union. This is SAFETY. I have children and I want them to live under a peaceful sky.
    Now about my countrymen who are against the CU and the Union. And you ask them about the alternative. All these ghostly dreams of Turan (Uzbeks are categorically against) and an alliance with the EU (cause only smiles). Raised prices for goods due to joining the CU after 6-8 years will fall and will not allow to rebuild their industry (these are the conditions for joining the WTO in Russia). Nazarbayev is rushing with the introduction of more and more new industries. These are jobs, then the solvent population, raising the standard of living of Kazakhstanis. Then my fellow countrymen talk about sovereignty. Listen, well, let's provide the people with work, feed and shine (we will create all the conditions and opportunities) what is called. What kind of sovereignty can a hungry person talk about? What will the Russians come here and say what to build and what not to? Will they manage our money and make up our budget? This is nonsense. Do they have few problems at home? It was clearly said to everyone when creating the TS - everyone lives within their means and uses the free market rule, which can ensure the development of Kazakhstan's industry.
  • Lindon
    Lindon 2 January 2014 23: 41
    +4
    Quote: Raptor75

    On the territory of Kazakhstan, Central Asia and the Caucasus, there were many cultures and even civilizations. Only to the appearance of the Russians did feudalism flourish there, and in some places a slave system.


    Slavery among the Kazakhs ??? In Russia, serfdom (aka slavery) was canceled 1861 year. Kazakhstan began joining Russia since the 1731 year. Feudalism in Russia ended after the Stolypin reform (1916 year) - when the lands of the communities were divided into private allotments - this gave the stratification of the peasants into kulaks and the poor. In Kazakhstan, feudalism ended at 10 years later - all lands were taken to collective farms (1926 year). For reference, the Kazakhs made up 5% of the Ross Empire and contained 13% of all livestock. After collectivization, all livestock died (starvation was forbidden to roam) and famine began in Kazakhstan in the 30's. Kazakhs became farmers, and who did not die of hunger or fled to a foreign land. Kazakhs survived, adapted and mastered all professions from astronauts to Hollywood directors.
    1. Raptor75
      Raptor75 3 January 2014 01: 07
      +2
      I have already expressed my point of view on serfdom. What kind of system existed in the areas I have listed is an open question.
      We judge serfdom only by Soviet history textbooks; their engagement in history until 1917 is clear to everyone. Our ancestors had reasonable reasons for its introduction. Why there has not been a cancellation for so long is a question more to historians.
      And does everyone know that in most of the Russian Empire it simply never existed?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 3 January 2014 10: 48
        +3
        Quote: Raptor75
        We judge serfdom only by Soviet history textbooks; their engagement in history until 1917 is clear to everyone.

        Yes, here you are right, you have to understand that the history of Russia, which we studied under the Union, was written by the Communists, and they tried to defame the previous government, wrote the story in such a way as to justify their color (red) revolution.
      2. family tree
        family tree 3 January 2014 11: 02
        +3
        So, for information
        According to the calculations of the Russian historian Yu. V. Gauthier, 2 revisions (1743) in Great Russia had 3 husband souls. sex of serfs 443% of all peasants and 292 million souls husband. gender state peasants. 53,7 revision (3) went on 000 000 3 souls husband. sex of serfs (1763%) and 3 state peasants, 786 revisions (771) 53 souls husband. sex of serfs (3%) and 400 000 4 state, 1783 revision (5) 092 869 53 souls husband. sex of serfs (4%) and 470 state. Thus, during the XVIII century. serfs made up slightly more than half of the total mass of the Great Russian peasantry. There were entire provinces in Russia that exceeded entire European states in their territory, where serfdom did not exist at all - Pomorie, Siberia. It is characteristic that in the western territories that entered the Russian Empire, the percentage of serfs was much higher. So in the Baltic states 85% of the peasantry were serfs.

        In the XIX century. the number of serfs was rapidly reduced by moving to other classes. Only in 1816 - 1856 years. over 1 million souls were transferred to other classes. sex of serfs. The last, before the peasant reform of 10, the revision of 1857 found in the empire 62,5 million people, of which serfs were 23 million peasants, all 34% of the population. Thus, by the time of the abolition of serfdom, serfs had a minority - 1 / 3 of the entire population.

        And I have all the ancestors from the Arkhangelsk province, except for the Chuvash grandfather, in bulk, I do not want to take it, there was no one to fortress, they themselves fought back.
      3. Sandov
        Sandov 3 January 2014 11: 47
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        Quote: Raptor75
        We judge serfdom only by Soviet history textbooks; their engagement in history until 1917 is clear to everyone.

        Yes, here you are right, you have to understand that the history of Russia, which we studied under the Union, was written by the Communists, and they tried to defame the previous government, wrote the story in such a way as to justify their color (red) revolution.

        They began to distort the history of Russia on a large scale with the accession of the Romanovs. The Germans wrote such a pancake.
      4. Clegg
        Clegg 3 January 2014 11: 52
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        Yes, here you are right, you have to understand that the history of Russia, which we studied under the Union, was written by the Communists, and they tried to defame the previous government, wrote the story in such a way as to justify their color (red) revolution.

        And we ourselves judge the history of the Kazakhs by the same Soviet textbooks that everywhere “built” everything and gave “statehood” to all peoples.
      5. Setrac
        Setrac 3 January 2014 12: 41
        +2
        Quote: Clegg
        And we ourselves judge the history of the Kazakhs by the same Soviet textbooks that everywhere “built” everything and gave “statehood” to all peoples.

        Modesty is a virtue, who needs you, judge you, the prosecutor’s office will figure it out.
  • Sandov
    Sandov 4 January 2014 12: 43
    -2
    Quote: Lindon
    Slavery among the Kazakhs ??? In Russia, serfdom (aka slavery) was canceled 1861 year. Kazakhstan began joining Russia since the 1731 year. Feudalism in Russia ended after the Stolypin reform (1916 year) - when the lands of the communities were divided into private allotments - this gave the stratification of the peasants into kulaks and the poor. In Kazakhstan, feudalism ended at 10 years later - all lands were taken to collective farms (1926 year). For reference, the Kazakhs made up 5% of the Ross Empire and contained 13% of all livestock. After collectivization, all livestock died (starvation was forbidden to roam) and famine began in Kazakhstan in the 30's. Kazakhs became farmers, and who did not die of hunger or fled to a foreign land. Kazakhs survived, adapted and mastered all professions from astronauts to Hollywood directors.
  • Kasym
    Kasym 3 January 2014 00: 06
    +7
    This is not my quote, Raptor. I am proud that my ancestors were "pastoralists and nomads". We have our own history and it is very ancient and not simple. For example, one fact. Prior to the entry of Kazakhstan into the Russian Empire, we waged a century-long war with the Dzungars. It can be compared with the Great Patriotic War, because it went FOR EXPLOSION. And its difference is that the Dzungars and their territories are gone; and the Germans and Germany remained the leading country of the West. Europe. The Battle of Anrakay in the winter of 1729-1730 became a kind of Stalingrad. In which, according to various sources, there were about 60 thousand Kazakhs against 75 thousand Dzungars. This confrontation lasted for almost a hundred years. Constant skirmishes, battles and battles led to the fact that after the victory, the STEPPE became depopulated. And no other army could compare with these very mobile and efficient armies. Everyone stood aside and watched as we destroyed each other. And this struggle was life and death. Where the defeated were immediately destroyed at the root. This is not the West for you, with their capitulations and curtsies. World history contains few such evidences of cruelty and ruthlessness to the enemy. This is the state of the Kazakhs before joining Ros. Empire. We could collect at most 10-15 thousand soldiers. And China was on the horizon. hi
    1. poquello
      poquello 3 January 2014 00: 18
      +3
      In general, I would like to like in more detail, with dates, clans, reasons, etc., it is interesting to fill the knowledge gap.
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    3. Raptor75
      Raptor75 3 January 2014 00: 53
      +2
      I also did not understand how your nickname was there ... belay
      Thank you for your post, I read it with interest. Actually all your posts are interesting to read.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 3 January 2014 02: 47
        +3
        poquello, Raptor75. Few details if you like. And living examples. My family is Zhalayyr. Among them, I am from the Myrza tribe. Among Myrza I am Baybishe. Among Baybishe I am Ak-Bot. Zhalair is a Kazakh family from Mongolian nomads. For example kaz. the Kozha clan are considered Arab nomads, the Usyuni Chinese. But all of us - 96 nomadic tribes were united by the threat of the invasion of the Dzungars, who lived on the other side of the Tien Shan (now the PRC). Supported by the Chinese, they poured into our lands. Everyone was destroyed - children, old people, women - they were not taken prisoner. This suggests that they do not need slaves and future "avengers". We only need land and our good - the herds. For example, out of my family, only one in ten survived - we came under the first blow, because bordered on them (I know that in the Second World War every third Belarus was killed - that is, out of ten survived three. Now compare.). The Great Steppe has never seen such chaos. And a cry was thrown for the unification of all the tribes living here into one people. One of the versions why we began to be called KAZAKHs - KazAK is one of the strategies of Genghis Khan. White geese strategy. Unite against one common enemy for the safety of the entire pack. They rush to the hawk with the whole flock, etc. All tribes were divided into 3 zhuz + 2 separate clans: Kozha (I wrote about them above) and Tora (direct descendants of Genghis Khan). In order for any clan to give the right (aksakals-council of the oldest clans) to some of its representatives to disconnect and form their own tribe, it was necessary to accomplish such a feat that would be significant for the entire clan and clans living in the neighborhood. Money and nobility did not play any role in this. Above, I showed my pedigree. The Kazakhs did not have cities, therefore, by the name of the clan, one could immediately tell from which lands this person was.
        So when the Kazakhs speak, then we must assume the NOMBER UNION. Therefore, we rightfully believe that the troops of Atilla, Genghis Khan, Batu and Tamerlane were packed by nomads, who later became known as Kazakhs. Sultan Beibars, the ruler of Egypt, can be attributed here - he is from the Mamelukes (Egypt had troops from the Mameluke slaves. He was captured by the Persians as a teenager, then to the Arabs and then came to Egypt. Then the Mamelukes took power into their own hands) and the only one who could fight back the Horde.
        A few more historical moments associated with my family (other genera, believe merit no less) Zhalaiyr. Mukhali was one of the commanders of Genghis Khan. He's from my kind. It was he who remained the "overseer" in China after the first campaign. It was he who led the troops on campaigns to India and Persia (from there to Azerbaijan, having rounded the Caspian Sea, he returned to the Steppe). Ask any Azerbaijani and he will say that in the 13-14th century, the Jalairids dynatia ruled there and in Northern Iran. And there is infa about the Kazakh-Dzhungar wars on the Internet. Yes, you can ask the Kalmyks where they came from on the banks of the Volga - Buddha's followers. Don't you find it strange? These are the remnants of the Dzungars - the Kalmyks are the only genus from the Dzungars who have been left alive, because refused to fight with us. They were escorted under escort along the eastern Tien Shan and Altai through the north. Kazakhstan, having forbidden to go through our steppe. That's where Buddha came from. hi
      2. Sandov
        Sandov 3 January 2014 11: 54
        0
        Quote: Kasym
        Yes, you can ask the Kalmyks where they came from on the banks of the Volga - adherents of the Buddha. Don't you find it strange? This is the remnants of the Dzungars - Kalmyks are the only genus from the Dzungars who have left life, because refused to fight with us

        Yes, no, as a result of strife between the khans, Kalmyks stood out as a separate people. In the case of Vernadsky read.
      3. Kasym
        Kasym 3 January 2014 13: 54
        +2
        Sandov. And they accepted Buddhism. Let Vernadsky explain this fact.
    4. poquello
      poquello 3 January 2014 12: 16
      +2
      Quote: Kasym
      poquello, Raptor75. Some details if you want.

      Great, thank you very much, very interesting.
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  • family tree
    family tree 3 January 2014 11: 20
    +2
    Quote: Kasym
    Before Kazakhstan entered the Russian Empire, we waged a hundred-year war with the Dzungars

    http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1178096880
    Comment on hi
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 3 January 2014 11: 58
      0
      Quote: perepilka
      http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1178096880


      I agree with the author of this article, we constantly make films about the war with the juggars.
      It’s better to make films about Kenesary Khan and the People’s Liberation War, about the Holodomor, Alashordins, Mustafa Shokai, etc.
      It’s easier to shoot about jugglers, because no one answers.
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 3 January 2014 14: 30
      +2
      Quail, hello! You are welcome . Radik Temirgaliev. Honestly, I don’t know this. But a few questions to the author.
      1. These minor skirmishes, as the author writes, led to the fact that my clan was forced to relocate for 2 km from the patrimonial lands. Only children, old people and women participated in the migration under insignificant protection, as all who could hold weapons remained. These minor skirmishes led to the occupation of almost the entire south of Kazakhstan. And unofficial maps of China say that this is the land of the PRC; because Dzhungars were subjects of the Middle Kingdom.
      2. The reasons are obvious. After all kinds of campaigns of Genghis Khan, Batu, Tamerlane and other khans, the Kazakhs (or rather, the nomadic Steppe tribes) were fed up with war. Human resources are undermined. At least a respite for 3 generations was needed. And the Dzungars, who were strong and had not fought for a long time, were in force. Yes, the Chinese pressed them. But after all, as they considered, it is better to have a fratricidal (I agree with the author that the Dzhungars were close to the Kazakhs, although they were not Türks) war with weakened nomads than tyagomotin with the Chinese. They had a choice to call us to war with the Chinese, but they chose another.
      3. About brides, too, some kind of nonsense. According to our customs, brides are not taken from their family in order to avoid kindred incest. And the parents tried to take brides for their boys from large families (in the event of an invasion, the bride's relatives will not abandon their son and can always repulse any enemy due to their large numbers). The author should know this. And not that Kalmyks or Dzhungars are more beautiful or "stronger" offspring will be. At that time, the Dzungars were in force and this is a fact. And they seized the moment and treacherously (you cannot say otherwise) attacked the people close to them.
      In general, this article and the author (by your link) clearly provoke and consider everything from the point of view that all that is traditional is lies and propaganda. hi
    3. Clegg
      Clegg 3 January 2014 16: 48
      +3
      Quote: Kasym
      Radik Temirgaliev. Honestly, I don’t know this.

      Salem Kasym, Temirgaliev, if I am not mistaken, works at the Nof Aspandau. This is the foundation of Kanat Nurov. Radik recently released the book Ak Orda. Once again I emphasize if I am not mistaken.
    4. Kasym
      Kasym 6 January 2014 02: 45
      +3
      Cleqq. Hey . Tired of this alternative story. It is necessary to propiarize, and so they write everything that comes to mind. Zymran won completely agreed that the Dzhungars are good and fluffy. Why, then, would they unite into one nation? Well, we’d live as before. Yes, just the rest, seeing how the Dzhungars, one at a time, are being cut off with us, decided to unite. Otherwise, I would have expected the fate of most of the genera of the Elder Zhuz. And after all, the decision to merge was suffered. At first, after all, few wanted to stand under one banner. Here's a take on the relationship between Naiman and the Jalayirs. Constant hostility. But they united. Crossed over numerous pritenzy to each other. What for the same Adays needed it? Sit yourself in the West, far from the Dzungars. Yes, it’s just the ENDLESS of the dzungars everyone saw, everyone saw what they were doing. Only a huge DISASTER could push the nomads to unite. I DO NOT SEE OTHER REASONS FOR UNITING IN ONE PEOPLE. If the jungars behaved as they should, nothing of this would have happened. hi
  • family tree
    family tree 3 January 2014 21: 20
    +2
    Kasym, this
    . And the Dzungars, who were strong and had not fought for a long time, were in force. Yes, the Chinese pressed them
    A person, let alone a community, if attacked, begins to fight precisely with the attacker, and is looking for allies. You have a contradiction, the Dzungars still fought with the Chinese and were no longer strong and really fought, what’s broken, they left. So, either they were looking for an alliance with the Kazakhs against the Chinese, but the Kazakhs decided that it was more profitable to finish them off than to fight the Chinese, or they simply retreated to the territory of the Kazakhs, where they were finished off, but the fighting army did not sell themselves cheaply. In general, they had nowhere to go, they were between a rock and a hard place. But in either case, it does not attract either Great or Stalingrad.
  • Kasym
    Kasym 6 January 2014 01: 48
    +2
    How do you imagine the Chinese invasion of the Steppe. There are no cities. Where to go ? Where to look for the enemy? The Chinese simply did: they simply stopped trading, fenced in fortresses. Survival depended on this trade.
  • Zymran
    Zymran 3 January 2014 19: 21
    0
    Well written, not indisputably, but better than Soviet and current mythologization.
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  • Sandov
    Sandov 3 January 2014 11: 49
    +2
    Quote: Kasym
    Everyone stood aside and watched as we destroyed each other. And this struggle was not for life, but for death. Where the vanquished were immediately destroyed at the root

    Russian units were also noted there. I read Vernadsky. By the way, by your side.
  • Zymran
    Zymran 3 January 2014 19: 27
    +1
    Quote: Kasym
    For example, one fact. Before Kazakhstan entered the Russian Empire, we waged a hundred-year war with the Dzungars. It can be compared with the Great Patriotic War, because it went FOR USE


    Dear Kasym, this was not an extermination war. The Jungars sought to subjugate the Kazakhs to their power and avert the threat from the West from themselves, subject to a constant military confrontation with China. In addition, they needed the settled agricultural regions of Southern Kazakhstan and Tashkent, which were under the rule of the Kazakhs. Moreover, the Dzungars not only did not seek to exterminate the Kazakhs, very often their main requirement was to submit to the Dzungarian authorities and even unite into one nomadic state. This Kazakhs could not go because of religious differences and the existing blood feud.


    Quote: Kasym
    Everyone stood aside and watched as we destroyed each other. And this struggle was not for life, but for death. Where the vanquished were immediately destroyed under the root.


    This is also not true. There are credible evidence of the humane treatment of prisoners from both the Kazakh and Dzungarian sides.

    Quote: Kasym
    This is the state of the Kazakhs before joining Ros. The empire. Maximum, we could collect 10-15 thousand soldiers. And China appeared on the horizon. hi


    And the threat of extermination by the Chinese is also a myth. smile
    1. Kasym
      Kasym 6 January 2014 02: 01
      +2
      Zymran, explain the following fact. How did the most numerous clans of Kazakhs (Elder Zhuz) become one of the smallest after the Dzungars? Dzungar good attitude or what? Why at the moment they ask me: "Did the Zhalayyrs survive after the Dzungars?" Few people know that we migrated to the Caspian, otherwise we would simply cut it out. Or explain the fact that the Argyns and Naimans are the most numerous clans of Kazakhs? I think you don’t need to tell which Juz they are from. After all, Genghis Khan exterminated Naiman at the root?
      Who did you brainwash in such a way that the jungars were good guys? I write that among Jalairov only 1 out of 10 survived? Where have you seen such losses? Is this a humane treatment? I spoke with our historians who studied Chinese sources. And they told how the Chinese supplied the Dzungars with guns and other weapons, just to push us with their foreheads. And what methods were adopted by the Chinese for this.
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 6 January 2014 02: 26
      +2
      Or explain the very fact of the union of nomads into one nation. What for ? After all, the jungars are good and do not bother anyone! Do not pose any threat! Why, sometimes hostile tribes, becomes one nation? YES EVERYTHING IS SIMPLE! EVERYONE ACKNOWLEDGED THAT WILL HAPPEN TO THEM AS AN EXAMPLE OF AN ELDERLY ZHUZ! NO OTHER REASONS !!! hi
    3. Zymran
      Zymran 6 January 2014 12: 45
      +2
      Quote: Kasym
      After all, Genghis Khan exterminated Naiman at the root?


      He did not exterminate the naimans, but inflicted heavy losses. He sought to exterminate the tribe of Tatars who killed his father, but did not succeed in this.
      You, for example, knew that according to a very convincing hypothesis, the current greed of the Younger Zhuz is the descendants of those Tatars. Suddenly, huh ?! But the greed is not only among the Kazakhs.

      Quote: Kasym

      Who did you brainwash in such a way that the jungars were good guys?


      Never talked about it. Just to draw the relationship between the Dzungars and Kazakhs as Nazis and Jews of the Holocaust is completely wrong.


      Quote: Kasym
      And they told how the Chinese supplied the Dzungars with guns and other weapons, just to push us with their foreheads. And what methods were adopted by the Chinese for this.


      This is just heresy. Dzungaria posed a great threat to the Qing Empire and supplying them with artillery would be the height of idiocy. Artillery
      For the Dzungars, the Swedish prisoner of war Renat made the Dzhungars from the Russians during the battle with the Buchholz detachment.

      Quote: Kasym
      Who did you brainwash in such a way that the jungars were good guys? I write that among Xalairov only 1 of 10 survived?


      Where does this data come from? Do you even know that Khan Zholbars remained the khan of the Elder Zhuz and lived in his residence in Tashkent? You know that the Jungars imposed a tribute to the Senior Zhuz in the amount of one fox skin per family per year. They knew that when Galdan-Tseren tried to mobilize the soldiers of the Elder Zhuz for the war with Kokand, that is, Muslims, then none of the Kazakh rulers gave their soldiers. And Galdan-Tseren could not do anything about it, but only introduced extra. tax.
    4. Kasym
      Kasym 6 January 2014 21: 02
      +1
      Zmran. You still did not answer the main questions posed by me:
      1. What kind of usyuns and jalayirs, who were one of the most numerous among the Elder Zhuz, who in principle could single-handedly resist, for example, the naimanas to become the smallest? How did some Jalayir tribes cease to exist? Tell us about the good relations of the Dzungars to us, for example, Albanians, Usyuns, Ysty, Jalayyram, Shapyrashty or other kind of people living in the southeast. No Dzungars means they were exterminated. For what ? Or our ancestors lounged and fun cut everyone for fun.
      2. Why unite? After all, we, the nomads, always considered ourselves free people, but for the sake of doing nothing, we put the clamps on ourselves in the form of a Khan? What is the reason for joining Russia?
      It is easy to answer your questions. Put yourself in the place of the Dzungars. Why remove the khan? Through him, you can sow discord, and it’s right that he showed honor - let them see that I’ll make my allies rich, and I’ll beat my enemies. This is politics. Moreover, they beat us one by one. Of course, not everything is so simple. And why give your soldiers to "tanks" against Kokand, so that later the Dzungars would take us with their bare hands? So the enemy for our ancestors was not Kokand, but the Dzungars! If everything was as you write. And what do you think ?
      Sorry, but for me the authority of my grandfather, who died almost a hundred years old, and other aksakals is much more important than researchers and representatives of alternative history. Sincerely, Dauren - Kasym hi
      At the expense of hired. He exterminated, because only they, the Tatars and Merkits, in their numbers could resist Temujin individually. But not in the traditions of our tribes to cut to the root. Naturally, they allowed to survive.
    5. Kasym
      Kasym 6 January 2014 21: 32
      +1
      At the expense of artillery. Zimran, but why didn’t they give up their full potential against the Chinese? Why didn’t they call us? And where did they get the gunpowder, the cores? Or did Buchholz do it to them in unlimited quantities? What say Gunpowder I know only the Chinese and Russians could give.
      I think this is a commonplace conspiracy of the Chinese and Dzungars. And naturally, they did not let all the Dzungars under the knife.
      And I know about the Tatars. I can show you one more tribe, which used to be called the Tatars. But I won't, because I'm not one of them. And I will not write conjectures and stories by others, all of a sudden for them it is "unacceptable" wink - You understand .
  • Clegg
    Clegg 8 January 2014 15: 47
    +1
    Quote: Zymran
    from, for example, you knew that according to a very convincing hypothesis, the current greed of the Younger Zhuz is the descendants of those Tatars. Suddenly, huh ?! But the greed is not only among the Kazakhs.

    Can be more? or in PM. I'm from the younger zhuz)
  • Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ 2 January 2014 22: 21
    +2
    Quote: Raptor75
    Only when the Russians came to you,

    Once upon a time, Russians were simply farmers.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 2 January 2014 22: 45
      +1
      Quote: Andrey KZ
      Once upon a time, Russians were simply farmers.

      Russians and now farmers, and in Kazakhstan, Russian farmers feed the country.
      1. Andrey KZ
        Andrey KZ 2 January 2014 23: 00
        +4
        Quote: Setrac
        Russians and now farmers

        Well, yes, and I don’t see anything wrong with that, I myself grew up in a village, my father is a machine operator. I mean that the development of civilization is underway, and over time, specialties that were not there before appear. And when a person writes,
        Only when the Russians came to you, they saw only nomads and cattle breeders
        I would like to ask him: were the Russians at that time all nuclear physicists?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 2 January 2014 23: 16
          +4
          Quote: Andrey KZ
          I would like to ask him: were the Russians at that time all nuclear physicists?

          There is nothing wrong with being a nomad cattleman, but you cannot create a state like that.
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 2 January 2014 23: 29
            +2
            Quote: Setrac
            There is nothing wrong with being a nomad cattleman, but you cannot create a state like that.

            And what did our ancestors do then?
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 2 January 2014 23: 39
            +1
            Quote: Clegg
            And what did our ancestors do then?

            Do not you find that the question is not at the address?
            This you tell us how your ancestors nomadic herders created a state!
          3. Clegg
            Clegg 2 January 2014 23: 48
            +1
            Quote: Setrac
            This you tell us how your ancestors nomadic herders created a state!

            That is, the Kazakhs did not have statehood?
          4. Setrac
            Setrac 2 January 2014 23: 56
            +3
            Quote: Clegg
            That is, the Kazakhs did not have statehood?

            Learn to spell out thoughts correctly! Everyone once had no statehood.
          5. Sandov
            Sandov 3 January 2014 11: 58
            +2
            Quote: Clegg
            Quote: Setrac
            This you tell us how your ancestors nomadic herders created a state!

            That is, the Kazakhs did not have statehood?

            Khanate is also a state. Russians without genocide of the local population helped in the formation and transition of statehood to another level. Why do not you need a flare.
  • Raptor75
    Raptor75 2 January 2014 23: 39
    0
    When the Russian farmers arrived, the local natives were even lower in development. An ancient and rich history has remained in myths and legends.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 2 January 2014 15: 23
    +6
    Quote: Guun
    And do not forget that Alexander Nevsky saved you by being related to the Polovtsy and was friends with Sultan Sartak - he paid tribute on time and saved him from the Livonians.

    And who are the Polovtsy? are they worse than the Kazakhs? Where does such contempt come from? Sartak was not a sultan, literally Sar is king, Sartak is prince.
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 3 January 2014 12: 00
      +1
      Quote: Setrac
      Quote: Guun
      And do not forget that Alexander Nevsky saved you by being related to the Polovtsy and was friends with Sultan Sartak - he paid tribute on time and saved him from the Livonians.

      And who are the Polovtsy? are they worse than the Kazakhs? Where does such contempt come from? Sartak was not a sultan, literally Sar is king, Sartak is prince.

      Polovtsian blood continues in our descendants.
  • ty60
    ty60 2 January 2014 17: 19
    +6
    I grew up in Kazakhstan. Do not treat me. The Ural, Orenburg, Guryev Cossacks. These are not your lands. And you have Guryev-Otyrau instead
    1. Rusich51
      Rusich51 2 January 2014 18: 10
      +3
      Quote: ty60
      I grew up in Kazakhstan. Do not treat me. The Ural, Orenburg, Guryev Cossacks. These are not your lands. And you have Guryev-Otyrau instead


      In fact, the whole of northern Kazakhstan was presented.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 2 January 2014 23: 35
        +1
        Quote: Rusich51
        In fact, the whole of northern Kazakhstan was presented.

        facts to the studio
    2. ale-x
      ale-x 2 January 2014 21: 52
      +1
      Atyrau all the same
  • Rusich51
    Rusich51 2 January 2014 18: 07
    +3
    Quote: Guun
    Remember Russian - the Germans blinded you and wrote a story, poisoned with vodka, and now you are nobody on your land.


    Who blinded the Kazakh? If not for Russia, cattle would have grazed. In contrast to the West, all peoples have developed in our country.
  • galser
    galser 3 January 2014 19: 41
    +1
    Less bravado. And then it’s not funny.
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  • alone
    alone 2 January 2014 14: 55
    +5
    Quote: xan
    you know that, Kazakh, heap on your nose - wealth then has a price when you can get it first, then protect it.


    However, self-esteem rolls over you. A reasonable question arises. If you are so omnipotent and the rest are so mediocrity, so why do you need any alliances?

    Quote: xan
    and you could only get cattle without the Russians.


    And who ruined his own power, are also Kazakhs? I don’t understand something, maybe Gorbaty was a Kazakh, or Yeltsin an Azerbaijani? Your bragging is just sick. I won’t put you minus. Therefore, I still have to earn it.
    1. xan
      xan 2 January 2014 18: 15
      +3
      Quote: lonely
      However, your vanity surpasses you

      What does pride have to do with it?
      Can you argue against what was said without emotion?
    2. xan
      xan 2 January 2014 18: 21
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      And who ruined his own power, are also Kazakhs? I don’t understand something, maybe Humpbacked was a Kazakh, or Yeltsin was an Azerbaijani?

      They themselves created - they themselves destroyed. Let's create it. In our affairs, unlike yours, everything depends on us.
      Quote: lonely
      I won’t give you a minus. Therefore, it still needs to be earned.

      cheap pathos must be removed, so your posts are similar to the numbers of the original genre
      1. alone
        alone 2 January 2014 18: 31
        0
        cheap pathos so far you are doing here. You yourself have created the original argument that you ruined. One stool to plant the whole country has become a national problem. But the creation of a new one so far depends on you. And it is unlikely that they create alliances with such ambitions.
      2. Clegg
        Clegg 2 January 2014 23: 15
        0
        Quote: xan
        They themselves created - they themselves destroyed. Let's create it.

        I wish to become more likely to become less.

        Quote: xan
        In our affairs, unlike yours, everything depends on us.

        It would not be so simple, your opponents get money and support from Western countries and ruin you.
      3. Sandov
        Sandov 3 January 2014 12: 02
        0
        Quote: xan
        They themselves created - they themselves destroyed. Let's create it. In our affairs, unlike yours, everything depends on us.

        No, not ourselves - this is a planned work of the West.
        1. xan
          xan 4 January 2014 01: 57
          -1
          Quote: Sandov
          No, not ourselves - this is a planned work of the West.

          what now, sue west?
          if they were able to break up - we are to blame and no one else, or rather our elite, mired in political and social impotence and hypocrisy.
          Why do we need such a country with such power?
          As for the attacks on the Russians by the former, these are trifles - the most important problems of the Russians are inside Russia.
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    3. andrei332809
      andrei332809 2 January 2014 23: 05
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      Your bragging is just sick.

      "And what started here! I'm sure that never before the walls of this modest workshop have not heard such explosions of a hoarse roar interspersed with creaky screams. such epithets. such orgy of emotions. such absurd arguments and even more absurd counter-arguments."
      not ashamed? how quickly the USSR was forgotten, independent ...
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 2 January 2014 23: 41
        +4
        Quote: andrei332809
        how quickly the USSR was forgotten, independent ...

        if you please, ask ... but we, too, have collapsed the USSR ... winked Think first, then speak (Mkrtchyan) smile
        and the USSR, we never forget, nor do we forget who destroyed it .. winked ..
    4. Raptor75
      Raptor75 2 January 2014 23: 48
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      A reasonable question arises. If you are so omnipotent, and the rest are so mediocre, so why do you need any alliances?

      One goal - USSR 2.0
      To recreate the country, which was called the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union without repeating and taking into account past mistakes. The process is just beginning, only our children and grandchildren will see the result.
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 3 January 2014 01: 04
        +3
        Quote: Raptor75
        Quote: lonely
        A reasonable question arises. If you are so omnipotent, and the rest are so mediocre, so why do you need any alliances?

        One goal - USSR 2.0
        To recreate the country, which was called the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union without repeating and taking into account past mistakes.

        Then we must learn to see the advantages of the neighbor and not the disadvantages, the fact that the Kazakhs and others were nomads is not a disadvantage, this is due to living conditions.
        The process is just beginning, only our children and grandchildren will see the result.
        Why so long? Or do you mean developed communism? For 25 years, 3 eras have changed: socialism, wild capitalism, "developed" capitalism and soon there will be the next era, it all depends on the enlightenment of the people, the Internet can greatly speed up this if people are interested not only in their income and entertainment what can be obtained from them.
  • 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 2 January 2014 14: 33
    +16
    Hijacking someone else's cattle does not belong to the national amusements of the Russians!
    There were no Kazakh geologists and geophysicists in the 70-80s and their fundamental discoveries! My brother after the first year of KSU was in practice near Ust-Kamenogorsk. What a "Kazakh" name for the city! Did the Kazakhs themselves erect the Tyura-Tam polygon and sent the first cosmonaut into space in 1961? Have you mastered virgin lands with your hard-earned money?
    I present the photo of the doctor:
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 2 January 2014 23: 50
      -2
      Quote: 11111mail.ru
      Hijacking someone else's cattle does not belong to the national amusements of the Russians!

      Russians have no less "worthy" fun)))
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 2 January 2014 23: 57
        +3
        Quote: Clegg
        Russians have no less "worthy" fun)))

        Well, tell us our shortcomings, we will work on ourselves!
  • ty60
    ty60 2 January 2014 17: 08
    +11
    I rushed and grew up in Kazakhstan. I don’t have to show off. They fed themselves. One problem, how many times were the Russian workers in KZ? They were not Kazakhs fed. The Ural region was originally Cossack region stuck to Kazakhstan in December 1936. Then the EBN shipped finally
  • galser
    galser 3 January 2014 19: 30
    +1
    About my homeland Kazakhstan valerei did not write a word. And what does your comment mean ????
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  • aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 2 January 2014 11: 57
    -10%
    Itself from Latvia, but for example Latvia was not a parasite. The number of industries and economic products was more than serious. As for the kid, I don’t think. I’m sure they will be signed, very serious agreements. Because at the initial stage, Russia's contribution will be dominant especially since after exploration it will be necessary to thoroughly and quickly undertake industrial development. You need money from this project yesterday, at least to one side, and strategically to two, because by helping Syria you strengthen your positions in the extraction and return of invested funds.
    1. alone
      alone 2 January 2014 12: 08
      +14
      Quote: aleksandrs95
      .And strategically, and two, because by helping Syria you are strengthening your positions in the extraction and return of invested funds.

      and how can you help Syria think about the return of invested funds? Syria is practically in ruins. The country is economically thrown back by 50 years. To restore everything to a state before the hostilities, at least 500 billion and 10-15 years are needed. You forgot how Syria forgave 11 millards "You also forget that the weapons sold are also on credit. Russia will be able to provide a loan of 500 billion for the restoration of Syria, knowing that this money will have to be forgiven as well as previous loans? Syria, as a country, is actually bankrupt and Assad today is fighting at the expense of loans.
      and about Latvia you got a little excited. The republic was considered subsidized in Soviet times, like the whole Baltic. In the USSR there were 4-5 republics that gave more to the Union budget than they took from there. Surely Latvia was not included in this list.
      1. Rusich51
        Rusich51 2 January 2014 12: 34
        +6
        Quote: lonely
        Syria is actually in ruins. The country is economically thrown back by 50 years. To restore everything to a state before military operations, at least 500 billion and 10-15 years are needed.


        Well, the West did a great job. With strange hands they carry chestnuts from the fire, they are masters. With God's help, the people of Syria will destroy the rats, and then it is up to the restoration of the country. If the people have the determination to destroy the enemy, then the patience is enough to revive the country. The USSR in a similar situation stood up against shit.
        1. alone
          alone 2 January 2014 12: 53
          +3
          At that time, the USSR was led by Stalin. And he led a people who could recover after the WWII and Civil. Assad and Stalin were incompatible personalities. Vladimir, I think it’s wrong to compare the peoples of the USSR and Syria. In Syria now there is a stratification of society. I think it is wrong to compare the USSR and Syria. The USSR fought purely with the aggressor who attacked the country, but in Syria they fought among themselves for a year, and then the jihadists were transferred with appropriate help. Many are mistaken in thinking that as soon as the conflict began, foreigners poured there. The foreigners appeared there after the militants began to seize the frontier zones. There, a whole year there was a war with their own.
          1. alone
            alone 2 January 2014 13: 06
            +1
            ))) in addition to the minuses, I am waiting for arguments in favor of how ASAD and Stalin are equivalent figures in history)))
            1. Rusich51
              Rusich51 2 January 2014 18: 15
              +3
              Quote: lonely
              ))) in addition to the minuses, I am waiting for arguments in favor of how ASAD and Stalin are equivalent figures in history)))


              The wrong time and the wrong conditions. Comparisons are not appropriate. But Assad respect for the fact that he is struggling with this inhuman.
      2. Vasek
        Vasek 2 January 2014 18: 43
        +4
        Quote: lonely
        and how can you help Syria think about the return on invested funds? Syria is practically in ruins. The country has been economically thrown back by 50 years. At least 500 billion is needed to restore everything to the state before the military operations

        Europe in 1945 was also in ruins. But the words "Marshall Plan" and "American Aid" still cause a nervous tic among the Germans and French.
        And, apparently, it was not without reason: that it was necessary to give loans to restore arms and interest, to ensure employment of NOT OWN enterprises and workers (at least initially).
        So what prevents Russia from adopting this "precious" experience?
        1. alone
          alone 2 January 2014 22: 20
          0
          Quote: Vasek
          And, apparently, it was not without reason: that it was necessary to give loans to restore arms and interest, to ensure employment of NOT OWN enterprises and workers (at least initially).


          How are you? Are you familiar with the possibilities of the Syrian economy? Dear Vasek, do not write off old debts, and throw hundreds of billions in the expectation that, suddenly, after 30 years they will begin to pay off debts, as it is economically unreasonable.
      3. typhoon7
        typhoon7 2 January 2014 20: 47
        +1
        The Union after the war was also in ruins rose and Syria will rise.
    2. garlik
      garlik 2 January 2014 12: 18
      +15
      The Baltic states were a showcase of the USSR. There was a sheer subsidy. From paying for a communal apartment to supply. There was something that others didn’t have in stores. And it’s not at all because of some special working properties of the Baltic peoples. A lot of modern enterprises were built at that time at the expense of the entire Union .That is, let’s say Russia can present accounts to the Baltic countries, and not vice versa.
  • 31231
    31231 2 January 2014 12: 12
    0
    You need to change the flag to Israeli.
    1. garlik
      garlik 2 January 2014 12: 53
      +2
      I don’t understand why? respected
      1. 31231
        31231 2 January 2014 13: 51
        0
        Have you tried to click on the arrow of my comment?
  • xan
    xan 2 January 2014 14: 15
    +1
    Quote: valerei
    Except for Ukraine, Azerbaijan and Belarus - they all ate from the hands of the USSR and sat on its neck and suddenly the Russians became "occupiers", Whoa! And these are those who have lived together for 70 years, survived such a war, and so on. And then some Assad. He will certainly betray at the first opportunity!

    , man, if you yourself can’t answer your question, and understand what the difference is here, then it makes no sense to discuss.
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  • Raptor75
    Raptor75 2 January 2014 14: 41
    +3
    I apologize if I offended anyone. Was a little emotional ...
  • Lindon
    Lindon 2 January 2014 23: 16
    +1
    Quote: valerei
    Yes, what far to go - here are the former republics of the USSR and what? Except for Ukraine, Azerbaijan and Belarus - they all ate from the hands of the USSR and sat on its neck and suddenly the Russians became "occupiers", Whoa!


    The USSR of the 22 of the year is gone and it is clear who was the parasite and who was not. Turn to the numbers.
    In Kazakhstan, the National Fund (nest egg) was created earlier than in Russia and its share in GDP is 30%.
    There are two funds in Russia in the amount of only 10% of GDP.
    Kazakhstan has accumulated 3 times more.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 3 January 2014 00: 45
      +6
      Quote: Lindon
      In Kazakhstan, the National Fund (nest egg) was created earlier than in Russia and its share in GDP is 30%.
      There are two funds in Russia in the amount of only 10% of GDP.
      Kazakhstan has accumulated 3 times more.

      What did Switzerland and Luxembourg forget? wassat
      Which country - such and such goals, such and expenses.
  • Pirr
    Pirr 2 January 2014 12: 21
    +2
    Quote: Raptor75
    Russia is losing billions and trillions, supporting Assad. Aw, answer me ....

    It turned out a bit late. Hurried in 2005
    "The total debt on mutual offset is $ 13,4 billion, of which we agreed to write off 73%," Kudrin said. Of the remaining $ 3,618 billion, according to the minister, 40%, or $ 1,5 billion, Syria will repay within 10 years in equal parts at a rate of 4% per annum. The remaining $ 2,118 billion will be converted into the Syrian currency and credited to the accounts of Russia, and then will be used to invest and purchase goods in Syria. "
    During the "pre-Putin period", debts were "written off" in the amount
    10 billion $.
    In general, only in 2009, for 8 years of Putin and one incomplete Medvedev, more than 83 billion dollars of debts were forgiven ... Comments are unnecessary. Damned P. Indos did not forgive the Negroes and Arabs a cent.
    1. Raptor75
      Raptor75 2 January 2014 15: 15
      +9
      Not for the loot, we harnessed for Assad, not for the loot ... In this world, not everything is measured in dollars, don’t you?
      1. alone
        alone 2 January 2014 15: 34
        -1
        You are mistaken)) At present, everyone is measured by the dollar, And from what hangover did Assad write off such billions? For beautiful eyes? I didn’t want you to consider Andrey so naive.
        In Syria, the financial interests of mattresses and their allies crossed with the interests of Russia. Without Assad, Syria will turn into a transit country through which natural gas from PZ countries will be delivered to Europe through pipelines. These countries will sell their gas much cheaper than Russia and most likely capture European the gas market will be a matter of time. Now you understand why Russia is holding on to Assad. There is nothing strange in this. Everyone has their own interests, primarily economic. If it weren’t, Assad’s fate would be similar to that of Gaddafi. because Gaddafi’s time too He was planning to remove the control of Europeans from his oil pumping units and transfer to Russia. But no one was particularly tense for Gaddafi. Gaddafi was a kind of leader and extremely inconsistent. They simply did not believe in Russia. Nobody believes Assad either. Just lost the road back. Syria’s loss means means the loss of the European market
        1. 31231
          31231 2 January 2014 17: 17
          +2
          these countries will sell their gas much cheaper than Russia


          Who told you that? Sheikhs of Qatar? Why then does Algeria sell no cheaper than the Russian Federation?
          In Europe, an average of 400 bucks per thousand m3, in China up to 600 bucks. Do you think Qatar will bring down so low European prices?
          1. alone
            alone 2 January 2014 20: 59
            +1
            I’m absolutely sure of this. Otherwise, Europe would not have torn its ass against Syria, protecting the interests of the Persian Gulf countries. They have everything agreed upon. And the only obstacle is Syria and Assad.
    2. Russ69
      Russ69 2 January 2014 15: 26
      +4
      Quote: Pirr
      In general, only in 2009, for 8 years of Putin and one incomplete Medvedev, more than 83 billion dollars of debts were forgiven ... Comments are unnecessary. Damned P. Indos did not forgive the Negroes and Arabs a cent.

      Stop repeating the mantras of the Oppniks. The debts that Russia wrote off were debts to the USSR, which in general were often used as help and were not provided with anything. Moreover, when writing off, in most cases, Russia received certain preferences in the market of these countries and new orders that made it possible for our factories to work stably now, and not in the uncertain future.
      And with regards to the fact that the pin ... sys and other geyropeytsy do not write off a cent. I’ll inform you that in 2012 alone, EU countries wrote off a total of 370 billion euros. Both external and internal debts.
      1. Pirr
        Pirr 2 January 2014 16: 25
        -1
        Quote: Russ69
        in 2012 alone, EU countries wrote off a total of 370 billion euros. Both external and internal debts.

        Dear Russ69! The figure given by you is very large, especially in just one year. Can I find out the source of the information? Thanks in advance. And what is "domestic debt?" Merkel refuses to pay even Greek debts. Maybe internal debt is inside the country? Happy New Year!
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 2 January 2014 21: 46
          0
          Quote: Pirr
          The number you have made is very large, especially in just one year. Can I find out the source of information?

          "Domestic debt" is the debt of companies to banks (including foreign ones), investors, etc.

          European companies wrote off 350 billion euros in bad debts last year, a record high that exceeds Austria, Denmark or Finland's annual GDP
          http://maanimo.com/news/events/107899-evropeyskie-kompanii-spisali-dolgi-na-350-
          mlrd-evro
          Quote: Pirr
          "Merkel refuses to pay even Greek debts.

          Additional debts, yes ...
          P Germany opposes re-restructuring of Greek debt. Athens had previously written off debts of more than 100 billion euros, which was the largest debt restructuring in history.

          In general, by the amounts of debts written off, the Russian Federation is in third or fourth place.
    3. 31231
      31231 2 January 2014 16: 53
      0
      Can I get more details and with a serious link? And then this phrase "for 8 years of Putin and one incomplete Medvedev - more than 83 billion dollars of debts have been forgiven" smells like Alyosha Navalny.
      1. Pirr
        Pirr 2 January 2014 17: 19
        0
        Type in Google the words "USSR debts written off by Russia" and you will be completely satisfied.
        Quote: 31231
        Can I get more details and with a serious link? And then this phrase "for 8 years of Putin and one incomplete Medvedev - more than 83 billion dollars of debts have been forgiven" smells like Alyosha Navalny.
        1. 31231
          31231 2 January 2014 18: 25
          0
          Oh, I see. Initially, they did not say a word that the Soviet Union, and even many countries, had debts. And not just Syria.
          Alyosha Navalny also likes to do stuffing. He doesn’t indicate half the information, takes it out of context.
          1. Pirr
            Pirr 2 January 2014 18: 43
            0
            Quote: 31231
            Oh, I see. Initially, they did not say a word that the Soviet Union, and even many countries, had debts. And not just Syria. Alyosha Navalny also likes to do stuffing. He doesn’t indicate half the information, takes it out of context.

            You read inattentively. Syria's debt - 13,4 billion. EBN recognized the Soviet debt to Russia, a well-known fact.
            1. 31231
              31231 2 January 2014 19: 28
              0
              Well, write completely and exhaustively. And then they pulled out of context 83 billion for colorfulness. And the fact that this is a duty from the USSR "forgot" to mention.
  • VAS 84
    VAS 84 2 January 2014 10: 14
    +19
    Assad, of course, we need to supply even more tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, shilki, etc., for sure we have a lot of "illiquid" in warehouses, and sometimes in the open air, and put a big and thick BOLT on all the screaming democracies that actually sponsor terrorists. hi
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 2 January 2014 10: 16
    +26
    It is also very pleasant to realize that these oil and gas basins are located near our naval base and in the territorial waters of a friendly state.

    Our Navy (still weak), but still not afraid to stand between the NATO (armed to the teeth) armada and the small bleeding blood of Syria .. Syria will have money! the most important thing is to remember Russia what it cost us (morally) to protect it from vultures ..
    1. alone
      alone 2 January 2014 15: 39
      0
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Syria will have money!


      Very controversial statement !!

      Quote: MIKHAN
      the most important thing is to remember Russia what it cost us (morally) to protect it from vultures ..


      Oh, if you would remember everything all the time, and there would never have been problems on this sinful world)))
  • Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 2 January 2014 10: 23
    +22
    This, of course, is interesting in terms of the influence of one particular country on the political situation in a particular region. After twenty years of shyness, Russia rises from side to side in the eyes of not only partners but also enemies. But do not forget that the ENEMY DOES NOT NAP. Do not forget the exceptional deceit and meanness of the Anglo-Saxons in an effort to satisfy their needs and shit others. Therefore, I would not be in a hurry to rejoice at my victories. The chess game is not finished yet ...
    After all, it is not enough to conquer the city - it still needs to be held. And whether Russia succeeds or not, time will tell. And sooo I would like Russia to be consistent and go all the way in the case of Syria. And I hope the geopolitical failures in the form of the surrender of Yugoslavia and Iraq are in the past.
    They are afraid and respect the strong. And to prove that you are strong is possible only through your actions.
    1. mountain
      mountain 2 January 2014 10: 37
      +15
      We sat on our ass, twenty years old, quietly and calmly. And during this time, the world did not doze, but built from the planet, hell. And although we have not yet fully strengthened, we are able to not only show our teeth, and those who dealt with Russia not by hearsay know. Such events cannot but rejoice, or else it will be.
      1. VAS 84
        VAS 84 2 January 2014 11: 01
        +7
        [quote = rurikovich] The chess game is not finished yet ...
        This "party" can END only when one of the players is gone.
        P.S. GIVE GOD THAT THERE WERE NOT WE! hi
        1. Rusich51
          Rusich51 2 January 2014 12: 38
          +3
          [quote = VAS 84] [quote = Rurikovich] The chess game has not yet been completed ...
          This "party" can END only when one of the players is gone.
          P.S. GIVE GOD THAT THERE WERE NOT WE! hi[/ Quote]

          The game may never end if there are a lot of players. Thanks to this, we will survive.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 2 January 2014 17: 27
            +3
            Quote: Rusich51
            The game may never end if there are a lot of players.

            Small players are not allowed to such a level. And there are not many large ones. We made our move, now it’s the opponent’s turn. We are waiting. That's just the opponent got silly, you can wait for any, and you need to be ready for anything.
        2. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 2 January 2014 12: 56
          +5
          So, to prevent this from happening, you need to take up your mind, put things in order in your home, make REALLY strong army and navy, not be dependent on external factors and firmly bend your line.
          And it’s time to already jump off the oil needle winked
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 3 January 2014 12: 11
            0
            Quote: Rurikovich
            So, to prevent this from happening, you need to take up your mind, put things in order in your home, make REALLY strong army and navy, not be dependent on external factors and firmly bend your line.
            And it’s time to already jump off the oil needle winked

            I agree with you brother. This had to be done 10 years ago.
      2. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 2 January 2014 12: 52
        +15
        The history of Russia since the middle of the sixteenth century is a struggle not so much with external enemies as with internal ones. The usurpation of the Russian throne by the Romanovs led to the split and degradation of the Great Empire. Peter's reforms on the Western model are driving the Russians into an even bigger w ... y. Indeed, at that time, the so-called West sincerely hated Russia and did everything so that, if not to destroy it, then at least reduce it to the level of barbarians and a colony. It seems to be taking over the minds of the Emperors and Empresses of the late 18th-late 19th centuries. in terms of establishing supremacy on the continent and had its petty fruits. But it was too late. The internal enemy has always eaten away from the inside what the external enemies did not succeed in. For they are always linked. Only the incredible coming to power of the Bolsheviks broke this chain, as it were, and the coup itself was only a trigger. Only Stalin became the real Emperor. He overcame internal separatism and made the country Great, because the leap in development was due to him. I consider the bleating of liberals and sycophants at the expense of repression and destruction of the nation unreasonable and counterproductive. The hands of the Anglo-Saxons and their American imitators are much more bloody than the hands of Stalin. Humpback's coming to power became another turning point in the history of Russia, a kind of another Troubles, only in the twentieth century. The destruction of the Empire, its destruction, trampling it in the mud, implanting its "democratic" values, indicating what to do and what not led to the fact that the country became not a country that was reckoned with and feared, but an ordinary raw material appendage of the West. Those 20 years we were sitting in the w ... e and digesting what they imposed on us as winners in comparison with what we lost. whatever they wanted.
        At the same time, the widespread death of civilians is seen as a victory of democracy, and Stalin’s elimination of internal parasites is presented as Evil. Do we need to look a little differently at what is happening now? And if you REALLY decided to become a strong country, then is it not time to drop the pro-Western liberal values ​​that lead to collapse and become a country for the people, and consider any blathering and concerns from the outside as interference in internal affairs and suppress in the most cruel way. And even the population of pederasty, Serdyukovism, and the export of national wealth abroad, are tired of it, and embezzlement and industrial degradation are doubly.
        The only question is that only ourselves can get out of this dirt (by the way of Munchaushausen), and any request for help to the West will only drive us even deeper into the dirt.
        1. Rusich51
          Rusich51 2 January 2014 13: 26
          +1
          Quote: Rurikovich
          And if you REALLY decided to become a strong country, then is it not time to drop the pro-Western liberal values ​​that lead to collapse and become a country for the people, and consider any blathering and concerns from the outside as interference in internal affairs and suppress in the most cruel way. And even the population of pederasty, Serdyukovism, and the export of national wealth abroad, are tired of it, and embezzlement and industrial degradation are doubly.

          You +++ God willing to plant a stool. If there is no decisive change in the next five years. The time of troubles will come. The Kremlin will include Poles.
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 3 January 2014 12: 12
            0
            Quote: Rusich51
            You +++ God willing to plant a stool. If there is no decisive change in the next five years. The time of troubles will come. The Kremlin will include Poles.

            I would not want such a repetition of history. The elite needs to change damn it.
        2. michajlo
          michajlo 2 January 2014 14: 10
          +1
          Hello Andrey!

          Thank you for the accurate assessment of what is happening and suggestions to overcome the devastation of heron in the minds, offices and expensive offices. drinks
        3. ty60
          ty60 2 January 2014 17: 29
          0
          Ten years to you - no correspondence
  • 020205
    020205 2 January 2014 10: 27
    +13
    This is a feint with ears, this is yes, Europe was going to get rid of Russian energy resources at the expense of Syria, and here it is on those. Here so gentlemen, Europeans, it’s not for you to put a fur coat in your underpants laughing
  • Boris63
    Boris63 2 January 2014 10: 28
    +10
    That is why the Saudis, together with the democratizers, "wrote with boiling water" in their desire to "torn apart" Syria. So far there is a comma in this question, but I think there will be a point soon. Exploration and production rights are a good "bonus" for any state, and Assad will have more money (he will pay off and buy something else). And we, moreover, will also protect our business.
  • awg75
    awg75 2 January 2014 10: 28
    +15
    Russia well done, keep it up !!!!!!!
  • andreitk20
    andreitk20 2 January 2014 10: 31
    +15
    Interestingly, something is not heard friends from the land promised to this news !!!! It is hard to see to justify that the contract is not correct and not fair ?????
    1. 225chay
      225chay 2 January 2014 10: 50
      +10
      Quote: andreitk20
      Interestingly, something is not heard friends from the land promised to this news !!!! It is hard to see to justify that the contract is not correct and not fair ?????

      Hair on the ass with grief must be torn, they are looking for lawyers to justify their disagreement.
      Right now the universal howl will begin ...
    2. old rocket man
      old rocket man 2 January 2014 11: 14
      +14
      Quote: andreitk20
      Interestingly, something is not heard friends from the land promised to this news !!!! It is hard to see to justify that the contract is not correct and not fair ?????


      Do not worry too much about them, they will not remain at a loss, they will settle down somewhere on the side, the benefit of "agents of influence", that in Gazprom, that in general in Russia, they have enough
      1. xan
        xan 2 January 2014 14: 35
        0
        Quote: Old Rocketman
        Do not worry too much about them, they will not remain at a loss, they will settle down somewhere on the side, the benefit of "agents of influence", that in Gazprom, that in general in Russia, they have enough

        It would be enough, Khodorkovsky would not sit. And this question was more important than all recent victories. I do not mean Hodor, but squeezing American-Israeli interests out of Russian domestic politics.
    3. Rusich51
      Rusich51 2 January 2014 12: 40
      +3
      Quote: andreitk20
      Interestingly, something is not heard friends from the land promised to this news !!!! It is hard to see to justify that the contract is not correct and not fair ?????


      And do not hear. It seems to me that Israel will go closer to Russia. Well, not dolbo - they would be.
    4. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 2 January 2014 15: 05
      -3
      Quote: andreitk20
      Interestingly, something is not heard friends from the land promised to this news !!!! It is hard to see to justify that the contract is not correct and not fair ?????

      First, what kind of contract? If with Syria, then what do we care about him? What you find is yours.
      1. andreitk20
        andreitk20 2 January 2014 23: 56
        +1
        But what about your desire for energy independence ??????
  • SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 2 January 2014 10: 33
    +9
    If on the western side: "Do you have oil? We are coming to you!" It means we must wait for the aggravation of the situation in Syria. The West will not give it up so simply, such a tasty morsel.
    1. xan
      xan 2 January 2014 14: 38
      +3
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      If on the western side: "Do you have oil? We are coming to you!"

      or "Westerners were irritated to find a country over their oil reserves."
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 2 January 2014 15: 06
      -2
      Quote: SRC P-15
      If on the western side: "Do you have oil? We are coming to you!" It means we must wait for the aggravation of the situation in Syria. The West will not give it up so simply, such a tasty morsel.

      Rather, gas. And most importantly, how much?
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  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 2 January 2014 10: 33
    +15
    Quote: Rurikovich
    They are afraid and respect the strong. And to prove that you are strong is possible only through your actions.

    I agree! .. But the main and most difficult battle Russia will have to win inside the country ... The Stalingrad explosions are symbolic .. Russia will face the Battle of Stalingrad, then the Kursk battle (I figuratively) .. Then the columns of traitors will be led across Red Square .. so that the people can see the "heroes" fifth column ..!
  • midashko
    midashko 2 January 2014 10: 37
    +2
    It’s a very optimistic article, but I’m afraid that the supply of weapons and the development of the shelf will be carried out at the expense of Russia, and certain individuals will get profits from the extraction. In the future, it will be possible to involve Russia in the redistribution of influence in the region, that is, for the interests of these certain individuals.
    1. 31231
      31231 2 January 2014 12: 21
      +9
      Assad and his successor will hopefully learn the lessons of Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi. And they will realize that contacting the West is fraught.
    2. ty60
      ty60 2 January 2014 17: 34
      +1
      It is possible, unfortunately
  • Magadan
    Magadan 2 January 2014 10: 40
    +22
    There were already Western articles on this subject. Something in the spirit of "insidious Russia is viciously helping the bloodthirsty dictator Assad to extract oil." Only with the Western media have the Americans themselves started to lose heart. Perhaps some Galicians-Bendera continue to take the Western media seriously.
  • makarov
    makarov 2 January 2014 10: 43
    +15
    While numbered the answers to his own questions "What could be the consequences of this agreement between Russia and Syria?", The author did not indicate the main one: The right of the Russian Federation to maintain for the protection and safety of its own citizens and interests, the armed forces in the required quantity at a specific point !!!
    1. FormerMariman
      FormerMariman 2 January 2014 10: 49
      +7
      It's between the lines!
  • sxn278619
    sxn278619 2 January 2014 10: 43
    -4
    Quote: Raptor75
    Many blamed on this resource that Russia was losing billions and trillions, supporting Assad. Aw, answer me ....

    Explain to the naive. Lukoil produces oil in Iraq. The cost of production is $ 1. per barrel. Sells to an Iraqi state-owned company for $ 2. Given investments in infrastructure, a 10% profitability.
    In Syria, profitability will be lower, because. will have to invest in exploration. And all this is very long. Plus, this is the hope that they will pay for help at least in the next decade.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 2 January 2014 11: 01
      +12
      This is a long-playing investment. But if they are not done now, in the long run, then it may be too late. A holy place is never empty. It is not in vain that our sworn partner friends are so eager to go there. So everything is correct. The place must now be staked. Otherwise, then no one will let it go there.
    2. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 2 January 2014 11: 38
      +9
      Quote: sxn278619
      . Sells to an Iraqi state-owned company for $ 2. Given investments in infrastructure, a 10% profitability.

      So 10% profit for our companies is nothing. But what about foreign companies, why is 5% a good profit for them? Accustomed to the broth was not less than 200%. We need to work, like all civilized companies in the world, for the future. And it’s not only about money, it’s a strategy here. You need to think more broadly.
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    4. 31231
      31231 2 January 2014 12: 24
      +2
      Could you give more details with Lukoil in Iraq? Specifically about the economics of development. And it’s directly interesting how the cost of a barrel is only 1 bucks.
      1. alone
        alone 2 January 2014 12: 39
        +1
        Quote: 31231
        Could you give more details with Lukoil in Iraq? Specifically about the economics of development. And it’s directly interesting how the cost of a barrel is only 1 bucks.

        laughing Yes, the cost of 1 dollar !! they are there that they extract oil with a shovel?
        Sergei, sometimes it’s funny to read some, they themselves do not know what oil production means, they heard something somewhere, and stubbornly assert this blunder. what No, you can imagine the cost of 167 liters of oil 1 dollar, it’s not intelligible. Zadornov is resting in full !!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. 31231
          31231 2 January 2014 13: 53
          +2
          Maybe this commentator has some special barrels ?!
    5. Ascetic
      Ascetic 2 January 2014 12: 38
      +9
      Quote: sxn278619
      In Syria, profitability will be lower, because. will have to invest in exploration.


      $ 100 million in exploration is not such a big amount. Considering the duration of the contract is 25 years. Therefore, exploration can be carried out leisurely even taking into account the safety factor and risks. Moreover, given the Norwegians' discovery on the Israeli shelf, the invested money for exploration will be repaid handsomely.
    6. alone
      alone 2 January 2014 12: 40
      +1
      did not try to have a bite? 1 dollar))) yyyyyyyyyyy
    7. Don
      Don 2 January 2014 13: 43
      +5
      Quote: sxn278619
      Lukoil produces oil in Iraq. The cost of production is $ 1. per barrel. Sells to an Iraqi state company for $ 2. Given investments in infrastructure, a 10% profitability.

      Profitability is low but not at a loss work, otherwise no company would work in Iraq. And in what infrastructure investments?
      Quote: sxn278619
      In Syria, profitability will be lower, because. will have to invest in exploration.

      You don’t need to throw a lot of money into exploration, much more into the development of deposits. And all this will pay off as soon as oil begins to be extracted. Not one company in the world produces oil and gas at a loss. No need to tell tales here.
      1. VAS 84
        VAS 84 2 January 2014 23: 55
        0
        Are the Americans a slate?
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    9. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 2 January 2014 16: 16
      0
      Quote: sxn278619
      Explain to the naive. Lukoil produces oil in Iraq. The cost of production is $ 1. per barrel.

      This is for you, the kind New Year's Eve was too stormy. The consequences are there ... laughing
      Try one of these:
      http://www.bugaga.ru/talks/1146741966-luchshie-sposoby-borby-s-pohmelnym-sindrom
      om.html
      It helps a lot ... good
  • ZU-23
    ZU-23 2 January 2014 10: 48
    +11
    Everything is going according to plan, still it would be quicker to kill this frostbite.
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 2 January 2014 10: 48
    +15
    Rates are rising, now the battle for Syria will be increasingly fierce. I have long considered Syria to myself as modern Stalingrad. We will consider the latest events as the beginning of a counteroffensive.
    1. Rusich51
      Rusich51 2 January 2014 12: 49
      +4
      Quote: FC Skiff
      Rates are rising, now the battle for Syria will be increasingly fierce. I have long considered Syria to myself as modern Stalingrad. We will consider the latest events as the beginning of a counteroffensive.


      The world can radically change with our help and seems to be for the better. So many problems on our little BALL.
  • treskoed
    treskoed 2 January 2014 11: 00
    +7
    The situation is just tragicomic: dozens of wolves (Western democracies and Gulf monarchies) with eyes burning with greed have already tied up bibs, picked up knives and forks and prepared to share their prey, when suddenly a Russian bear flew past them, carrying away so much desired and dainty in its teeth the production that cost the “countries of freedom" so much money and effort ...

    Nice to read! Let's do it - everyone will speak differently, they will immediately introduce themselves as "friends"!
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 2 January 2014 11: 07
    +13
    Do you know why his wife left Obama?

    Because from deep emotions because of Syria, the economy, the dollar, the Arabs, China, he is not worth it.
    1. VAS 84
      VAS 84 2 January 2014 11: 14
      +4
      Most diseases are from nerves.
    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 2 January 2014 12: 01
      +6
      For the same reason as Putin.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 2 January 2014 11: 12
    +8
    Good news! These decisions allow Syria to recover from aggression and restore normal life, and Russia, to earn money.
  • vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx 2 January 2014 11: 16
    +10
    Still, over time, the Saudis will have to drive the camel to the stall.
    1. SlavaP
      SlavaP 2 January 2014 18: 27
      +3
      Yes, actually this is a very healthy thought - to touch the Saudis for an udder ... And then they imagined themselves a bit, exploiting our little weaknesses ... I repent - I’m sinful, I regularly put them into the piggy bank when I get my noble horse frolic ( turbocharging and very, very many hp).
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 2 January 2014 11: 18
    +12
    BASE!! A large, even huge military base. And not a pier with a piece of land. We must build, urgently, immediately, right now! And the troops to transfer, and ships. Not only with Libya have we concluded such agreements. This time, I hope it has come to an agreement - a piece of paper. It is not enough to imprison him; we must defend him. And then it would be nice to think about the development of the situation. Until the inclusion of Syria in Russia, as an autonomous region. It may sound wild, but evolutionarily they will devour us, the pace is not enough. It is revolutionary to act ...
    1. alone
      alone 2 January 2014 11: 49
      +3
      Quote: Mikhail3
      BASE!! A large, even huge military base. And not a pier with a piece of land. We must build, urgently, immediately, right now! And the troops to transfer, and ships. Not only with Libya have we concluded such agreements. This time, I hope it has come to an agreement - a piece of paper. It is not enough to imprison him; we must defend him. And then it would be nice to think about the development of the situation. Until the inclusion of Syria in Russia, as an autonomous region. It may sound wild, but evolutionarily they will devour us, the pace is not enough. It is revolutionary to act ...


      wassat . And you first ask Syria if the people want to lose state independence because of Assad? Secondly, to include the republic in Russia as a simple region. Fantasts have a rest. lol

      act revolutionary?

      Hello, Smolny, is there beer? -No beer .- and where is beer? -In the Winter !! - u-raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa !! Here you have a revolutionary action! laughing
      1. Rusich51
        Rusich51 2 January 2014 18: 28
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        And first you ask Syria, does the people want to lose state independence because of Assad?

        Of course the people will be in favor. Stability, work, peace. What else does a person need? Well, the rest - the man got excited.
    2. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 2 January 2014 17: 45
      +1
      And what do you think that the Syrians will shoot from C-300? Then we will definitely ask Syria.
  • erased
    erased 2 January 2014 11: 25
    +5
    I completely agree with the author on the conclusions, but the result of the information is not given. But it is simple - all possible profits, all earned finances will again go to a handful of the country's owners, and then to the West. The people, the country will not get anything. This has already become the norm in Russia, unfortunately. But there is nothing to be done.
    1. Arhj
      Arhj 2 January 2014 12: 16
      +3
      It’s not only about who the money will go to. Money is a good thing, but in this case it is not the main thing. The main thing is political dividends. In the future, Russia gains control over a strategic resource outside its borders, and even legally covered by the fleet. It is important that this contract, if it resists, is the sale of "extra" equipment from military warehouses, work for our defense industry and mechanical engineering involved in the development of the shelf. But all the "pies" only if you can resist.
    2. Arhj
      Arhj 2 January 2014 12: 22
      +7
      But you must admit that you feel the moral satisfaction of spitting so beautifully in the soup for "developed democracies." The main thing here is not money, but politics. In the future, Russia gained control over an important piece of the world's ocean, which, moreover, is legally covered by the fleet. If we keep the contract, our defense industry and mechanical engineering involved in the development of deposits will get a job, and the people who work there will get money. But this "if" ...
  • 31231
    31231 2 January 2014 11: 37
    +2
    The author is a creepy dreamer. Already shares a fur coat of a dead bear. Nothing has been explored yet, and he is already claiming oil treasures near Syria. Author, can you tell me what’s with the sea depths? And then the Jews about the Leviathan to the whole world rang up, but alas, they still do not know how to develop it.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 2 January 2014 16: 49
      +2
      Quote: 31231
      The author is a creepy dreamer. Already shares a coat of a dead bear

      Hello, Sergey. In this case, I agree with you - at the moment there are no reasons for joy: it is completely unclear how this deal will turn out and what advantages the country will receive (and whether it will receive).

      And the cries of joy in the comments look especially ridiculous against the background of the fact that oil companies in the Russian Federation work together with the US companies (that doesn’t bother anyone), and they are going to launch Yapov in the Far East.

      In general, under patriotic words, a policy of the series "nothing personal - just business" is again being pursued.
      1. 31231
        31231 2 January 2014 18: 34
        0
        And the cries of joy in the comments look especially ridiculous against the background of the fact that oil companies in the Russian Federation work together with the US companies (that doesn’t bother anyone), and they are going to launch Yapov in the Far East.

        Well, here you are wrong. In Qatar and Saudi Arabia, the percentage of foreign capital in the oil and gas sector is many times greater.
        It is also worth noting that, in Sakhalin-2, Gazprom took a controlling stake from foreign investors. And more recently, Rosneft has completely squeezed out TNK from BP.

        And the reserves of the Eastern Mediterranean, yes, only ambition. The fattest deposits have long been found and are being developed.
        1. alone
          alone 2 January 2014 18: 39
          +1
          And do not forget that the fattest ones are in the Arctic)) it will soon be very interesting from a geopolitical point of view.
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 2 January 2014 19: 23
            +2
            Quote: lonely
            it will soon be very interesting from a geopolitical point of view.

            Russia urgently regains its status in the Arctic, Canada dumped claims (ridiculous), China revolves around. Gentlemen, it seems in the Arctic is becoming crowded. Or do they all know something that we don’t know?
          2. 31231
            31231 2 January 2014 19: 30
            +2
            Is not a fact. Until complete reconnaissance is made, you will not say anything. And the production conditions there are clearly not greasy.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 2 January 2014 20: 39
              +1
              Quote: 31231
              Is not a fact. Until complete reconnaissance is made, you will not say anything. And the production conditions there are clearly not greasy.

              Something too often with you today, opinions coincide drinks
          3. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 2 January 2014 21: 58
            +3
            Quote: lonely
            And do not forget that the fattest ones are in the Arctic)) it will soon be very interesting from a geopolitical point of view.

            An unstable (I would say incomprehensible) climate forecast for the Arctic is an obstacle to investing in field development. Even 20 years ago no one would even seriously think about it.
            The situation is the same with the pilotage of vessels along SevMorPuti.
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 2 January 2014 20: 36
          -2
          Quote: 31231
          Well, here you are wrong. In Qatar and Saudi Arabia, the percentage of foreign capital in the oil and gas sector is many times greater
          Not a fact.

          It is also worth noting that in Sakhalin-2 Gazprom took a controlling stake from foreign investors. And more recently, Rosneft completely squeezed out TNK from BP
          Well, and then what? Both Rosneft and Gazprom pursue their goals, and legends generally go about their tax breaks.
          And for Sakhalin 1, for example, other figures are 20% of the Russian Federation, 20% India, and 30% each in the USA and Japan.

          It is simply strange again to observe the bloating of an elephant from a fly and the complete disregard for what is happening under the nose - the impression is that the Uriah patriots do not learn anything at all.

          And the reserves of the Eastern Mediterranean, yes, only ambition. The fattest deposits have long been found and are being developed.
          If we talk about affordable, then yes - a fact.
  • ALEXXX1983
    ALEXXX1983 2 January 2014 11: 46
    +4
    Great news smile
  • duchy
    duchy 2 January 2014 11: 53
    +7
    Very good news!! good The main thing is that there are enough nails for everyone. Syria has outstripped the "opposition" in its actions, keep it up !! good drinks
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 2 January 2014 12: 00
    +9
    If we leave, then others will definitely come.
    1. alone
      alone 2 January 2014 12: 16
      +7
      Quote: Jamal
      If we leave, then others will definitely come.

      Jamal, Happy New Year! Arab leaders are not consistent. You can’t 100% rely on these people. I will give you one example. During the war with Israel in 1973, the Iraqi Panzer Division saved Syria from defeat, which halted the advance of the Israeli army in a flank attack. The Damascus division was practically destroyed, but Israel did not dare to continue the attack on Damascus. 17 years passed and when the Americans launched a desert storm, 2 tank divisions and 1 Syria motorized rifle division stood against Saddam!. That's Hafez al-Assad thanked Saddam for saving Damascus))) East is a delicate matter. Helping Assad does not mean that Assad will be faithful to the end. Here it is.
      1. Ihrek
        Ihrek 2 January 2014 20: 19
        0
        Thanks Omar. And also Happy New Year to you. At the expense of inconsistency, I agree. This factor must always be remembered. And take additional measures from him. Those. document all agreements reached. Although I understand this, too, is not a panacea, but at least something.
  • tennis
    tennis 2 January 2014 12: 06
    +8
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    The West is so simple, such a tidbit, will not give up.


    Already gave and did not pickle. This shakalya flock, the master only to attack the weakened and defenseless, and in front of a serious opponent they immediately draw their tails.
  • Arhj
    Arhj 2 January 2014 12: 07
    +6
    The news is so good that it’s even somehow scary. I think Greenpeace is already going there, God forbid, if only he.
  • Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 2 January 2014 12: 10
    +13
    December 23, 2013. The Northern Fleet's large landing craft "George the Victorious" passes the Bosphorus heading for the Mediterranean Sea. I took a return gift to the Saudis' mercenaries for Volgograd, although the cargo was being prepared long before the terrorist attacks, but now it looks like the answer. It is a pity that not the Saudi Shiites, they would give the world sponsors of Wahhabi terrorism a light.