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Myths about the USSR

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Myths about the USSR



I would like to talk about modern methods of warfare. Ways that do not involve military invasions and bloody battles, but allow subjugating and even destroying virtually any state. It will be about the information and ideological war. The USSR faced this type of aggression, and today Russia is facing. The USSR could not find adequate answers to this aggression and was destroyed. Russia is holding on, fighting back, but not taking any significant retaliatory strikes. And one defense can not win the war.

So, a new type of warfare is informational. I propose to consider one of the most effective tools of information impact - the creation of a myth.

Most of the visitors to this site was born in the USSR. We remember that power and can compare what we had with what we have now. Comparison is often not in favor of modern Russia. So why have we not yet declared our desire to return that country and that system? Why in 1996-m in the elections voted to preserve the liberal government? And this is despite the fact that all illusions about capitalism had already ended then, and the people no longer lived, but survived. Then why did we choose Yeltsin?

Let's start in order.

The information and subversive war against the USSR began with Churchill’s Fulton speech 5 March 1946. His main idea was as follows: “We cannot close our eyes to the fact that the freedoms that citizens have in the United States, in the British Empire, do not exist in a significant number of countries, some of which are very strong. In these countries, control over ordinary people is imposed from above through various kinds of police governments to such an extent that it contradicts all the principles of democracy. ”

In general, short and categorically.

But let's analyze this quote. What kind of freedoms did the citizens of the United States and Britain have? Freedom to die of starvation? The “Great Depression” showed that all residents of Western countries have this freedom (with rare exceptions). Freedom to express your opinion? But these statements do not affect the political class of the West, which serves the interests of the super-rich stratum of society. Maybe there was equality of all before the law? Again, no. Discrimination against blacks and native Americans flourished in those years. If we talk about Britain, then what kind of equality could there be in the colonial system? Maybe there was no control over the citizens? It was, and very hard. The first concentration camps did not appear in Germany, but in the USA. And this control today in the West is elevated to the absolute by total surveillance of all.

We conclude that all of Churchill’s main allegations are lies. And this was understood both in the West and in the socialist camp. So why was it necessary to voice this lie? It was a plan of action. It was these theses that had to be introduced into the minds of the Soviet people. Embed the myth. Embed so that they would believe in him. And this work began and continued over 40 years.

In the ideological war against the USSR, many types of influence were used. These are radio stations broadcasting in Russian, and dissidents (Soviet citizens bought by Western special services, whose task was information and subversive activities). In the mid-eighties, the leadership of the USSR also became a dissident. This is also the organization of protest forms in Soviet culture and art. The Soviet intelligentsia became pro-Western and ceased to perform the function entrusted to it of educating the Soviet person. The basis of all this destructive activity were laid myths. Myths that citizens of western countries live better than citizens of the USSR.

What did the Soviet man know about life in the West? That every family there had a house, a car, a bank account. Each family could easily buy everything that was in short supply in the USSR. Every family could go to Hawaii for a vacation. Paradise, and only, right? Our people did not know that the house and the car were bought on credit, and for this loan you have to pay for life. They did not know that a bank account was a credit card, and everything that was in short supply in the Soviet Union due to high demand and high solvency of the population was bought on credit cards in the West. And these cards were invented in order to increase the demand of the population, because capitalism cannot stand still; it needs sales. And the population was driven into debt. So it was invented a consumer society.

Our people did not know about loans for education, as they themselves received it for free. They did not know that half of the US population cannot receive medical care because there is no insurance, and for cash it is very expensive, I cannot afford it. They did not know that a trip to Hawaii is possible only after retirement, because all the time before it is devoted to one thing - making money.

Soviet people believed in a myth. And for the sake of this myth destroyed their country. Needless to say, Gorbachev did it. No one went out into the street and said “no!” To that cesspool into which he pulled the country. Just the opposite, they came out to support those who advocated the collapse of the Union. We destroyed the country ourselves.

But why then, after sipping on the full in the nineties, we again did not come out and did not hold accountable the dissident liberals who had seized upon the authorities?

Again, this contributed to the myth.

In the mid-nineties, tales of a capitalist paradise were no longer passed. The people, on their own skin, experienced it and did not believe in the tales of our Western friends and their Russian servants. For the West, there was a real threat of the resurrection of the USSR and the restoration of the socialist system. To prevent this, another myth was invented. The myth of how bad it was in the USSR. This myth spun in all media, it was driven into our heads and the heads of our children. And still driven in. And we again believed in the lie invented by the West.

Let's take a look at the highlights of this tale, muddy over the Great Country.

1. The socialist form of the economy is inefficient. State-owned enterprises always lose to private.

This statement is given as an axiom that does not require proof. They believe in it and no longer even dispute it. But let's turn to the facts.

In terms of GDP, the USSR was in second place in the world, immediately after the United States, yielding in 1,5 times. And this is despite the fact that in the USSR there was no machine for printing money from the air. The share of the USSR in world industrial output was 20%. This indicator dispels another myth - that the entire economy of the USSR rested on the sale of oil. The share of revenues from the sale of fuel and electricity on average in the period from 1980 to 1990 was about 8%!

Economic growth from the beginning to the mid-eighties averaged 3,5% per year. It was higher than the US. And growth, albeit small, remained until the collapse of the country. Inflation in the United States in the eighties averaged 5%. And in Germany reached 18%! There was no inflation in the USSR. On the contrary, prices have steadily declined. And only in the early nineties, we learned that such a depreciation of money. And further. The lack of inflation and even deflation did not affect the growth of production. In capitalist countries, deflation was feared as a fire, because lower prices meant a lack of demand and a drop in production.

And now another indicator. GDP growth in the USSR from 1951 to 1960. He was 244%. By 24,4% per year. Industrial production growth over the same period was 228%. And this is despite the fact that already in 1948, the prewar level of industrial production was mainly reached. For three years, the country has recovered after a devastating war. And by 1950, the main production assets increased to the level of 1940 of the year: in industry - by 41%, in construction - by 141%, in transport and communications - by 20 percent. Someone else wants to speak on the inefficiency of the socialist economy?

As for the inefficiency of state-owned enterprises, all of today's experience suggests otherwise. It is state companies that are the most effective today. This is Rosneft, and “our everything”, Gazprom, and VTB, and Sberbank, and defense plants. They are the main donors of the Russian budget. And the experience of China speaks about the greater efficiency of the public sector in comparison with the private one.

2. In the USSR, there was no freedom.

This statement causes a smile. But let's go over the facts.

What is freedom? The term is rather vague, right? So conceived. There is no clear definition of freedom, but there is a list of human rights and freedoms, which is constantly expanding. Now, for example, freedom is an opportunity to freely use drugs, freely change sexual orientation, freely agitate children for entering into homosexual relationships. But is this freedom? In my opinion, a person makes free a few things. Here are some of them: the opportunity to get an education; opportunity to have a job; the opportunity to have a home; opportunity to give birth and raise children; opportunity to participate in the management of their state.

Were these freedoms available in the USSR and were they in Western countries?

Education in the USSR was compulsory and the best in the world. And it - up to the highest - was free. In the West, education was clearly worse, and a secondary technical and higher education could be afforded by far few due to the fact that it was paid for.

In the USSR, there were no unemployed. At all. Lack of work was a criminal offense. The work was strictly by specialty. If you are an engineer, then be kind enough to work as an engineer, not a salesman. In the West, unemployment, especially among young people, reaches 25%. People simply cannot find work, they cannot feed themselves and their families.

The USSR practiced free allocation of housing by the state and enterprises for its employees. There was also the opportunity to buy a cooperative apartment. Yes, the waiting lists were long. In Moscow. In the outback - not very. Companies allocated dormitories for workers without housing, including small families. There was no housing problem in the countryside. In the West, all housing is bought on credit. In case of loss of work, the tenants are simply thrown out into the street.

In the USSR, there was a steady increase in population. For this, the state did a great deal, from kindergartens for a nominal fee and extended-day groups at school to paid leave to care for a child. Paid sick leave, free medicine, the cheap cost of basic foodstuffs, benefits and housing for large families, organization of free children's activities, children's clubs and sections - and so on, and so forth. In the West, juvenile justice is now flourishing. The birth rate is falling rapidly. Children are taken from the family for any reason. In the West, such a phenomenon as child suicide has arisen - this is when the children of 5-8 have settled accounts with life for years. Never before has this ever been fixed. Today, having a baby in the West is a problem. It can be ruined career, may collapse the financial situation. Western countries are dying out.

In the USSR, any enterprising person could enter the governing elite of the country. In general, social elevators in the USSR were very developed. Any worker had the opportunity to improve education and grow to the factory director. The combine harvester Gorbachev has grown to be the general secretary, and the foreman Yeltsin is to the president of Russia. In the West, getting into the political elite is possible only for the elect. And increasingly there is a family relationship. Professional growth, as a rule, ends at the level of a middle manager. Top managers are children and relatives of business owners. Generally, aliens can enter the high society in the West in only one way - by marriage with the children of the elite. What happens infrequently.

So, as can be seen from the above, in terms of freedoms the USSR surpassed the countries of the West in all respects.

3. The USSR is a prison of nations.

This myth was especially zealously used in the secession of the Soviet republics. Now it is being reborn in relation to Russia. But was the prison of the USSR? Not. He was a progressive state. He pulled the standard of living backward suburbs to acceptable. He eradicated barbarism in the republics. And after the collapse of the USSR, the former republics collapsed - they fell where they were pulled from for decades. Central Asia returned to feudalism, the Baltic states returned to fascism, the Caucasus returned to the tribal system. All the peoples of the former USSR after its collapse began to live worse. There was national discrimination, inter-ethnic wars. In the USSR, all were equal. In the USSR, a person of any nationality could reach any height. But in the West - no. Only in the West could such phenomena as ghettos and chinatowns arise. Well, the Ku Klux Klan. Today, in the West, the reverse process is underway, the indigenous white population is being oppressed in favor of migrants. But they could not and could not create a single multinational people in the West. And in the USSR it almost happened.

Myths about the USSR continue to drive into our heads. These myths are being modernized and gradually become myths about Russia. "Russia feeds the Caucasus" - this is what it is.

The war is not over, it continues. Russia has always been an enemy for the West, because its existence threatens the existence of Western civilization in its current form. And because this war will be fought until the complete destruction of one of the parties. And while Russia loses this war. To begin to win, you need to know and understand the techniques of the enemy, respond to them and strike back. Maybe using it weapons. Or maybe just telling the truth, debunking western lies. But something needs to be done. In the meantime, nothing is done.
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  1. Christian
    Christian 28 December 2013 07: 49
    +35
    Yes, the war against us continues! The USSR ruined our enemies. But let's remember that before they ruined the Russian Empire. The war on the collapse of Great Russia has been going on for 100 years, only the ways and phases are changing.
    1. sledgehammer102
      sledgehammer102 28 December 2013 09: 20
      +10
      Quote: Christian
      The war on the collapse of Great Russia has been going on for 100 years, only the methods and phases are changing.

      I agree with the article. The most important thing is that the war continues to this day, and using the same methods of information propaganda, when people are forced to look only at the bad or unresolved in the country, and any useful thing, in the eyes of the same citizens, is presented as another defeat and mixed with shit * m!
      Whether it’s a superjet, whether it be PAK FA, whether it is GDP growth or the Universiade, the renewal of Sochi, Vladivostok and Kazan, it is proposed to consider from the point of view of only money and their comparison with other countries, and not from the point of view of what these investments gave city ​​and country.
      Many people do not care that our athletes have been training abroad for several decades now, since we did not have our own facilities, or that Vladivostok needed these bridges more than Moscow in the metro and so on the list.

      True, there is a remark.
      GDP growth in the USSR from 1951 to 1960 years. He amounted to 244%. At 24,4% per year.

      The author, is not always what is obviously correct, and GDP growth over the years is not calculated correctly. And the growth will be in the region of 9% per year, but not 25% in any way as you indicate. By your logic, in the Russian Federation from 2001 to 2010 (you have 1951-1960), GDP grew by 400%, that is, by 40% per year, higher than in the USSR ...

      In general, the article is correct and useful. +
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 28 December 2013 09: 46
        +8
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        I agree about the article. The most important thing is that the war continues to this day, with the same methods of information propaganda, when people are forced to look only at the bad or unresolved in the country, and any useful work, in the eyes of the same citizens, is presented as another defeat and mixed with shit * m!

        In my opinion, it is much more dangerous to avoid dangerous topics and to hush up failures and just crimes! After all, if the offender does not suffer punishment, then his crime will be repeated by others or by himself. And we must learn from mistakes, otherwise we will remain infantile fools!
        But in our country, laws do not apply to everyone and not always (Serdyukov, Chubais and the disaster on the Sayano-Shushenskaya and privatization, flooding in Krymsk) there are many examples.
        So to pretend that we have everything in a way when the fundamental principles of a fair state do not work is somehow ridiculous.
        1. A.YARY
          A.YARY 28 December 2013 10: 17
          +13
          And this despite the fact that in the USSR there was no machine for printing money from the air
          This was the "ambush regiment" that won the battle of economic systems.
          All right WE ourselves are guilty in all respects of the death of the first PEOPLE'S EMPIRE.
          And no one will remove this sin from us!
          But we believed our leaders, our leaders, their betrayal cannot be overestimated! Who they all know, their petty selfish souls, are shaking with fear until now- "God forbid a great country will be reborn during their lifetime!" And they try and try to prevent this from happening, at least until their death. They are scared.
          .........................................
        2. NKVD
          NKVD 28 December 2013 11: 33
          +9
          Serdyukov, Chubais and all others, committed crimes after the collapse of the USSR. In the USSR, they would have been shot for a long time or raised Kolyma
          1. washi
            washi 28 December 2013 20: 22
            +4
            Quote: NKVD
            Serdyukov, Chubais and all others, committed crimes after the collapse of the USSR. In the USSR, they would have been shot for a long time or raised Kolyma

            Yes, you are all "geography experts" zadolbali.
            Magadan Region not rubber.
            Not enough of your ITK, send to the USA. They earn money in private prisons.
            We can’t. We have human rights.
        3. sledgehammer102
          sledgehammer102 28 December 2013 11: 46
          +2
          Quote: S_mirnov
          In my opinion, it is much more dangerous to avoid dangerous topics and suppress failures and just crimes!

          Iron. But another thing is interesting, that when you talk about "silence" you give examples of widely sanctified deeds, some of which, such as the disaster in the Sayano-Shushenskaya or Crimea, are one of the propaganda theories about a state conspiracy, so it is more likely not a silence investigation, which gives rise to various liberalist theories of fraternization at the top.

          Moreover, the hydroelectric trace of a virus that gouged Iranian centrifuges with the same success is actually traced at the hydroelectric power station. Or, for example, inept flood propaganda in Krymsk - such as the dam opened specifically ....

          However, the safety and security hydroelectric power stations and cities should have been punished, by the way, the verdicts had already been announced for Krymsk.
        4. Setrac
          Setrac 28 December 2013 13: 23
          +2
          Quote: S_mirnov
          In my opinion, it is much more dangerous to avoid dangerous topics and suppress failures and just crimes!

          Let the competent authorities deal with criminals. Such as you, "fighters against crime" are becoming a weapon in the hands of the West, aimed at the collapse of Russia.
          Quote: S_mirnov
          So to pretend that we have everything in a way when the fundamental principles of a fair state do not work is somehow ridiculous.

          Where do they work? In fairness, Russia is ahead of the rest.
    2. Civil
      Civil 28 December 2013 09: 21
      .
      “We cannot close our eyes to the fact that the freedoms that citizens in the United States and in the British Empire do not exist in a significant number of countries, some of which are very strong. In these countries, control over ordinary people is imposed from above through various kinds of police governments to such an extent that this contradicts all the principles of democracy. ”

      Author:
      1. I chose the wrong quote if at that time half of the population (collective farmers) did not even have passports, and the word workday tells you nothing?
      In terms of GDP, the USSR was in second place in the world, immediately after the United States, 1,5 times behind those.

      2. And in terms of living? And now?
      Here are some of them: the opportunity to get an education; the opportunity to have a job; the opportunity to have housing; the ability to give birth and raise children; the opportunity to participate in the management of your state

      3. By your logic and in prison, the colony of the settlement, freedom is continuous, there is housing and education, and food and clothing are provided free of charge, 100% job security ... is this your paradise?
      Combine Gorbachev has grown to the Secretary General, and foreman Yeltsin - to the President of Russia.

      4. And what good did it lead to? The proletariat seized the helm? Without moral principles and parental experience? Yeltsin is your president?
      indigenous white population oppressed to please migrants

      But you and the fascist also, because the people ran away because you didn’t want to bow to Moscow and be second-class people.

      The author study the topic correctly, you took the most unsuccessful arguments in favor of the USSR.
      Here are some good points:
      1. In the USSR, all means of production belonged to the state, and this was more fair.
      2. We tried to distribute public goods more or less evenly for the whole population and not for a handful of grabbers.
      3. In the USSR, moral values ​​were of a higher order than the struggle for justice in the division of oil revenues.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 28 December 2013 10: 01
        +24
        Quote: Civil
        1. I chose the wrong quote if at that time half of the population (collective farmers) didn’t even have passports,

        Why do you need a passport? The state needs a passport to manage the masses! But do not worry, soon you will be sent a chip to your passport! And it will be possible to say that in the USSR the entire population lived without chips! laughing
        Quote: Civil
        And in terms of living? And now?

        And now everyone lives on credit! We recently ran an advertisement in August "School credit - send your child to school!"
        Quote: Civil
        By your logic and in prison, the colony of the settlement, freedom is continuous

        Freedom in prison? extremely unfortunate example!
        Quote: Civil
        But you and the fascist also, because the people ran away because you didn’t want to bow to Moscow and be second-class people.

        There were almost no Muscovites in Moscow, only Tajiks and guest-workers! laughing
        By the way, the peoples in the post-Soviet space, mostly for the revival of the Union, except perhaps in the Baltic states.
        1. Civil
          Civil 28 December 2013 10: 44
          +3
          And now everyone lives on credit! We recently ran an advertisement in August "School credit - send your child to school!"

          Who says it's better now ?!
          There were almost no Muscovites in Moscow, only Tajiks and guest-workers!

          All rabble there og))) The costs of colonialism)
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 28 December 2013 10: 49
            +11
            Quote: Civil
            The costs of colonialism)

            Right! It is colonialism! And I all thought that for the system in our country, from the screens they say that capitalism, I look around - it does not look like. But colonialism is the exact definition! good
            1. Civil
              Civil 28 December 2013 10: 55
              +11
              Quote: S_mirnov


              Russia is a colony of Moscow))) This is a joke of humor, but in general there is something to it) bully
              1. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 28 December 2013 11: 28
                +6
                Quote: Civil
                Russia is a colony of Moscow))) This is a joke of humor, but in general there is something to it)

                This is a tradition.
                As in the days of the USSR, and now Moscow decides everything. Only today these decisions have acquired the form of a pronounced financial leverage - will Moscow give the region money or not. You can remember the profession pusher in the days of the USSR, who went to the capital "to knock out" funds.
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 28 December 2013 11: 44
                  +12
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  As in the days of the USSR, so now Moscow decides everything.

                  There is a fundamental difference. Previously, the decision was made by state power on the basis of a common set direction - improving the lives of modern and future citizens of the country.
                  Now the decision is made by certain financial clans that manage the puppet government. Based on the idea of ​​getting the maximum possible profit!
                  All this unites - purely formally the place of power deployment - Moscow, but this is where all the coincidences end.
                  However, I am convinced that we are not a colony in Moscow now. Moscow is just the place of work of the governor.
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 28 December 2013 11: 58
                    +7
                    Quote: S_mirnov
                    All this unites - purely formally the place of power deployment - Moscow, but this is where all the coincidences end.
                    However, I am convinced that we are not a colony in Moscow now. Moscow is just the place of work of the governor.

                    Not without it...
              2. morpex
                morpex 28 December 2013 12: 08
                +7
                Quote: Civil
                Russia is a colony of Moscow))) This is a joke of humor, but in general there is something to it)

                Here is advice from Mikhail Illarionovich: "TO SAVE RUSSIA, MOSCOW MUST BURN!"
                1. washi
                  washi 28 December 2013 20: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: morpex
                  Quote: Civil
                  Russia is a colony of Moscow))) This is a joke of humor, but in general there is something to it)

                  Here is advice from Mikhail Illarionovich: "TO SAVE RUSSIA, MOSCOW MUST BURN!"

                  At the same time, Kiev, Dushanbe, Vilna, etc. Leave only Finkinton
        2. stroporez
          stroporez 28 December 2013 13: 11
          +6
          Quote: S_mirnov
          except for the Baltic states.
          I don’t need to smear everyone. There is a friend from Alytuts - Deynyus. met when they were lying in the hospital .... so here he is, for example, very much for the Union .... and there are many of them.
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 28 December 2013 14: 13
            +3
            Quote: stroporez
            so here he is, for example, very much for the Union .... and there are many of them.

            And it is very pleasing! good
          2. Nick
            Nick 28 December 2013 15: 32
            +1
            Quote: stroporez
            I don’t need to smear everyone. There is a friend from Alytuts - Deynyus. met when they were lying in the hospital .... so here he is, for example, very much for the Union .... and there are many of them.

            Which worries the West so much ...
      2. 77bob1973
        77bob1973 28 December 2013 10: 24
        +16
        We have lost the main, social justice, no matter how loud it sounds.
      3. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 28 December 2013 11: 24
        +5
        Quote: Civil
        2. We tried to distribute public goods more or less evenly for the whole population and not for a handful of grabbers.

        In general, I agree with your post. And only on the implementation of paragraph 2, I note - this is where the division of the population began on the right and not so, savvy and not quite ...
        In the end, EVERYBODY was CONSIDERED in the DISTRIBUTION system, in the personality distributing.
        Eventually trade union institute never happened in the country. He is not there now, tk. there is nothing to distribute - "free goods" have disappeared as a species, as a class.
      4. Ross
        Ross 28 December 2013 12: 55
        +3
        4. And what good did it lead to? The proletariat seized the helm? Without moral principles and parental experience? Yeltsin is your president?

        It is important to understand correctly what the Elite is. The elite is always international and decides who to bring in there (for loyalty to itself). Do we really choose the presidential candidates or other leaders7 We are offered by the invisible Elite.
        Under Stalin, a system of truly popular choice of the best was created, but he did not have time to create it, although it was enshrined in the constitution.
        You can choose according to the merits and knowledge of a person only when the elite is appropriate.
      5. nikcris
        nikcris 28 December 2013 16: 40
        +1
        I put you a plus, but for some reason it seems to me that you are fundamentally wrong. Dogmas have driven you. Let's go through the points.
        1. Do you seriously believe that having a passport is a sign of freedom?
        2. It is not clear what you mean.
        3. There is no work. It is good that you do not know this - you did not sit, that means.
        4. Do you consider the proletarians of Gorbachev and Yeltsin?
        I will not say anything about the Nazis.
        Now the points of "goodness" of the USSR.
        1 Perhaps you will not believe, but under Stalin, before the clouds of these very funds belonged to the people, not the "state".
        2 I agree
        3 Here you did not download Russian, I could not translate. If you are talking about super-profits of the USSR from oil - I will disappoint you - they were insignificant.
    3. I do not care
      I do not care 28 December 2013 10: 39
      +24
      About the article in three words:
      1. morpex
        morpex 28 December 2013 12: 11
        +9
        Quote: me by
        About the article in three words:

        Or so:
    4. Setrac
      Setrac 28 December 2013 13: 15
      +3
      Quote: Christian
      The war over the collapse of Great Russia has been going on for 100 years, only the ways and phases are changing.

      From 500 to 1000 years, the West has been fighting against Russia.
    5. Genur
      Genur 28 December 2013 14: 16
      +4
      7 hours have passed ...
      1 \ 6 (one sixth) of the article is negative.
      And we - (5 \ 6, rated the article positively) know what the country has achieved during the years of Soviet power.
      No matter how puffed up the liberals, they will not be able to erase the memory of the USSR.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 28 December 2013 18: 56
        +1
        I am the hundredth - of those who put a plus article wink
    6. starshina78
      starshina78 28 December 2013 19: 59
      0
      The author of the article is right that we, the visitors of the site, were mainly born in the USSR, someone lived their main part of their lives, who found the USSR a little bit, but we all have only good memories of the USSR. I will not go into statistics. official, but I'll tell you by example. I come from a family of workers (both my mother and my father worked at the factory where I work), but only the Soviet government gave me the opportunity to get a decent education: a school - 8 classes, a technical school, an institute. In my youth, like everyone else, I listened to the "enemy voice" - "Voice of America", I loved, and still love, hard rock, while studying I got "enemy magazines" with girls through the Poles who studied with me, in short, you might think that I idolized The West, but at the same time, if someone told me to betray the Motherland, he would have cut his throat, because before me there were examples of my father, other relatives who fought and worked for the front in the rear. Ideology? There is no consciousness, like a common, any Soviet person. Since kindergarten, we were brought up to love the Motherland, the more grown up I became, the more this attitude towards the Motherland only became stronger. Our generation does not understand the current "runners" from the service, and neither do girls. In our time, not a single girl will go with a guy if he did not serve due to his age or had a military ID, but did not serve - the sentence is one - sick! But how they poured to us when they came for demobilization! But this is, in a way, an attitude towards the Motherland - that is, a person has given up his debt, which means he is not some kind of major. We were proud that we lived in the USSR, that we are Soviet! and no propaganda could turn us down! And now young people are sold with giblets (not all young people, but there are geeks, and every year there are more and more of them) to the West, sold for a beautiful life, a beautiful car, and so on! And this is fraught!
    7. alone
      alone 28 December 2013 20: 25
      +1
      Quote: Christian
      The war on the collapse of Great Russia has been going on for 100 years, only the methods and phases are changing.


      )) that I don’t feel the replacement of methods and phases. all the same interethnic and interreligious strife escalating from abroad, the introduction of corrupt elements into power structures, economic intrigues, escalating the arms race, and finally the country's participation in a war that does not meet its state interests . The only difference
      - these are just dates. Otherwise, everything is the same and same rake.
    8. vjhbc
      vjhbc 29 December 2013 02: 15
      0
      I understand everything except constant crying, and if you look soberly at all of this, we all have to admit (the government and the people) the minds are complete and this is a fact that needs to be recognized and we must already start doing something so that at least 50 years later the Americans would cry with the British sitting each in its independent state and independent republic and kingdom
      Quote: Christian
      Yes, the war against us continues! The USSR ruined our enemies. But let's remember that before they ruined the Russian Empire. The war on the collapse of Great Russia has been going on for 100 years, only the ways and phases are changing.
  2. Ihrek
    Ihrek 28 December 2013 07: 53
    +16
    It was the USSR that liberated the world about the brown plague. Without the USSR, no one would have done this. USSR is an empire of goodness and justice. After Stalin's death, the USSR began to degrade. This process was especially pronounced under Khrushev and Gorbachev. Well, Yeltsin generally betrayed everyone in the gang with Kravchuk and Shushkevich. When I say "everyone" I mean the entire Soviet people and those millions who gave their lives for this state.
    And they did this because of their personal ambitions - to become the sole rulers in their independent countries, casting aside Gorbachev. And of course, to bend to the west.
  3. predator.3
    predator.3 28 December 2013 07: 54
    +17
    Why did they vote in 1996 for the preservation of liberal power? And this despite the fact that then all the illusions about capitalism had already ended, and the people no longer lived, but survived. Then why did we choose Yeltsin?
    The people then voted for Gena, only now he did not have enough firmness!

    Our people did not know about loans for education, as they themselves received it for free.

    In 86 he studied at a driving school, so I was paid 40 rubles. scholarships, + 306 rub. State driving school for fuel and rubber wear, and now how much do they pay for rights? not less than 30 thousand! I’m silent about the university, I pay 60 thousand to the senior year, one thing is that she studies well, she tries.
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 28 December 2013 09: 11
      +7
      We all know that food in the USSR was almost entirely domestic. The picture (a highly reputable authoritative source in the West) shows the consumption of calories per person per day in transition countries (that is, transit countries that is with us). It turns out interestingly, they ate their products and not as it is now 60% of imports, ate the most in the world !!! And the shelves in the stores were empty ??? This is what we ate! belay And they produced it no less!
      1. I do not care
        I do not care 28 December 2013 10: 54
        +13
        Labeled and co "carried out a real sabotage. Empty shelves, queues and coupons - everything was created artificially. In the mid-80s there was no decline in the production of food and industrial goods. On the contrary, the production of television and radio equipment began in the Union, practically not inferior to Western models - taurus, horizon , Olympus, etc.
        Well, this can’t be, today everything is there, and six months later, coupons for 15 types of consumer goods
        But scum the gentleman of the Order of Mlyn
        1. alex86
          alex86 28 December 2013 11: 07
          +1
          Quote: me by
          today there is everything, and after six months coupons for 15 types of consumer goods

          You are wrong here - it disappeared gradually and much earlier than 91 years old, in Kazan potato coupons were in 72 and 74, I don’t know where you lived, and since the 7th grade (since 75) I went to Moscow for groceries - butter, sausage, meat, sweets. In my kindergarten, eggs were also transported. I’m not talking about clothes. In the 80s, coupons became for an indecent amount of goods, up to socks (we exchanged vodka coupons for oil coupons). Therefore, I don’t think that all this is on purpose - it’s all due to the lack of qualifications in terms of management, including country.
          1. Kolya
            Kolya 28 December 2013 11: 48
            +3
            There was a shortage of goods distributed by bureaucrats from the center. At one time there was a shortage of detergents 86g., Imported soap was imported for us, for animals, and sold as a toilet (they could not read the label in English). The difference in the price of someone upstairs put in his pocket. That's how those guys prepared the capital for privatization after the collapse of the Union, which was what it led to.
            And why such bigwigs could not get, for example, products of local production, so zagotkantorskaya sausage for 6 rubles. always was. As she was gone, I don’t eat sausages anymore.
            1. alex86
              alex86 28 December 2013 11: 59
              +1
              Quote: Kohl
              there was a shortage.

              It didn’t happen here, we lived in it. In the end, in the shops there was only birch sap in 3 liter jars.
            2. I do not care
              I do not care 28 December 2013 12: 01
              +2
              And I'm talking about the same thing - there was a smoked sausage with uncooked sausage from 3, 50 to 5 rub
              1. alex86
                alex86 28 December 2013 21: 31
                +2
                Quote: me by
                with smoked sausage from 3, 50 to 5 rubles

                I won’t lie, I don’t remember exactly, but these are not the prices of co-selling, but of a simple store, in co-selling it was not less than 7 rubles, and when everything began to disappear completely, it became 12-15 rubles / kg, and then disappeared there. There was about the market - so it was necessary to go by about 6 o'clock in the morning, at 8 there was nothing but bones left. I had no offense, we lived merrily, I remember the child was lost at the neighbors', so they were consoled - where will go, someone will bring to the police, will not go anywhere. I did not feel any humiliation (since they always lived like this) and was surprised at the words of my great-grandmother, who said that it is easier when there is money and nothing to buy than when there is something to buy and there is no money (she compared this with NEP). At the same time, she had time - until the age of 17 - when she had money and had something to buy. But objectively - today the opportunity to buy an apartment for children, a car (and more than one), to go to look behind the cordon is several times higher than then - you don't need to be lazy, you don't need to eat vodka, you need to get a specialty and plow for 12 hours - and you won't become an oligarch (without budget theft), but you can live a normal life - and better than under the Union. And thieves (in every sense) even then had more than "not thieves".
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          3. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 13: 45
            +2
            You are not right - it disappeared gradually and much earlier than 91 years old, in Kazan potato coupons were in 72 and 74, I don’t know where you lived, and since the 7th grade (since 75) I went to Moscow for groceries - butter, sausage, meat, sweets.
            I don’t know, I found out about coupons only when I was 92, and I can’t say that I can’t roll it in shops either, my mother was a design engineer, my father was the head of the counting machine, both started from the "machine" and ate and dressed and lived in Alma-Ata
          4. washi
            washi 28 December 2013 21: 26
            +1
            Quote: alex86
            Quote: me by
            today there is everything, and after six months coupons for 15 types of consumer goods

            You are wrong here - it disappeared gradually and much earlier than 91 years old, in Kazan potato coupons were in 72 and 74, I don’t know where you lived, and since the 7th grade (since 75) I went to Moscow for groceries - butter, sausage, meat, sweets. In my kindergarten, eggs were also transported. I’m not talking about clothes. In the 80s, coupons became for an indecent amount of goods, up to socks (we exchanged vodka coupons for oil coupons). Therefore, I don’t think that all this is on purpose - it’s all due to the lack of qualifications in terms of management, including country.

            Much depended on the local leadership.
            Someone hoped for handouts from Moscow, while someone built poultry farms and pig farms. This later helped to survive perestroika and zastroka.
            I remember coupons only for alcohol.
          5. A.YARY
            A.YARY 29 December 2013 11: 09
            +2
            No eggs? Build a chicken coop!
            No potatoes? Plant!
            There is no sausage? And x ... I love fresh meat with it! And I make lard myself!
            Grandma taught me how to do oil!
            To Moscow for groceries? !! ​​Funny!
            Yes, and he did the vodka, a tear! In the store, you can’t buy such 70% !!!
            And I’m silent about the cucumbers and tomatoes!
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 13: 36
        +1
        Quote: Kohl
        We all know that food in the USSR was almost entirely domestic production

        Well, for the sake of truth, not all
      3. DPN
        DPN 28 December 2013 13: 37
        +4
        Now we eat substitutes for taste and GMO, and at the same time natural products. And then everyone took kilograms, and now grams and not everyone who has enough patches, there’s no need to talk about a pension of 5000 rubles. They didn’t appreciate what they had.
      4. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 28 December 2013 18: 59
        +3
        Quote: Kohl
        This is what we ate! belay

        The meat in the stores had to be searched. And with difficulty to buy. And home freezers to the eyeballs. In, a riddle !!! smile
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 19: 04
          +2
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          And home freezers to the eyeballs. In, a riddle !!!

          the bazaar was full of meat
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  4. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 28 December 2013 07: 56
    +12
    from the Don.
    I can’t beat this crap, I grew up in the USSR!
  5. Renat
    Renat 28 December 2013 08: 07
    +16
    And who said that in the 96th people chose EBN? Or does someone think that the elections are now clean and transparent?
  6. Normal
    Normal 28 December 2013 08: 17
    +10
    I agree with the Author in general. Yes, the USSR lost the battle in the first place for the minds. Lost in the propaganda and PR of his values ​​and achievements. We have focused on the universal, state, and the West on the personal, individual. The fact that personal and individual is impossible without a universal and state one, our leaders did not consider it necessary to explain to the people, since they broke away from the people and no longer understood how the average citizen lives, they did not feel his problems.
    I do not agree with the Author in particular, in determining the causes and their consequences, but this is particular and it is necessary to argue about them separately, in detail and meticulously.
    Article plus.
    1. bairat
      bairat 28 December 2013 08: 45
      +3
      Yeah, I also generally agree. But the fact that prices did not rise is that the author himself came up with a new myth.
      The main enemy within us. Who prevented the USSR from providing its population with everything necessary? There were 1000 cows on the collective farm where the father was from, every day they sent milk and cattle to the city for slaughter, while there weren’t any in the shops. Now the whole former collective farm and hundreds of cows is not typed, but with the abundance of food, and in particular, my father really appreciates this. Under the USSR, there were two half-empty furniture stores in Kazan; instead of producing consumer goods, they supported banana regimes around the world; we still forgive them their debts. Instead of these Ching-Chkuk, we would create our own, rich and strong state, no State Department would dig into us, but I understand that this is from the realm of fantasy and the same myths, there are no ideal states)
      1. Lk17619
        Lk17619 28 December 2013 09: 13
        +9
        If the USSR did not support these banana republics, the Americans would be sitting there and the USSR would fall apart already in the 70s. This support was the counterweight to the rest of the capitalist world.
        1. bairat
          bairat 28 December 2013 10: 10
          +4
          Quote: Lk17619
          If the USSR did not support these banana republics, Americans would be sitting there

          And today, the Americans are sitting in the former Soviet republics, nothing has been achieved by the support of the Papuans.
          1. Lk17619
            Lk17619 28 December 2013 10: 55
            +1
            Achieved, delayed his collapse
        2. Marine One
          Marine One 28 December 2013 11: 27
          +1
          Quote: Lk17619
          If the USSR did not support these banana republics, the Americans would be sitting there and the USSR would fall apart already in the 70s.

          Fans of the Soviet Union, huh? Do you even read what you write yourself? What kind of great state is this that is capable of collapsing 50 years after its formation only because the Americans in some kind of conditional "Honduras" have settled down as a base ?! Natural circus.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 13: 48
        +1
        Quote: bairat
        at the same time in the shops .. I wasn’t

        Well, exaggerating to such an extent is not necessary, teachers did not fall into a hungry faint in the classroom as it was in the 90s
        1. Normal
          Normal 28 December 2013 16: 55
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Well, exaggerating to such an extent is not necessary,

          Of course, it is not necessary to exaggerate (and sometimes it is necessary), but nevertheless the phrase from the song: "And the Motherland generously watered me birch sap, birch sap"was perceived not as a figure of speech, but as a reflection of the real state of affairs.
          Bet?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 17: 03
            +1
            Quote: Normal
            birch sap, birch sap

            let's
            birch was just a rarity here, although I really liked it, but tomato, apple, grape, pomegranate, in every store was a little drunk
            1. Normal
              Normal 28 December 2013 17: 17
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              let's

              Sorry - the family is calling.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 17: 36
                0
                But what about birch sap with pulp ?! sad
                1. Normal
                  Normal 28 December 2013 23: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  let's

                  Inviting to argue, I admit - I got excited.
                  It is a matter of personal experience; you had apple and GRAPE (??? !!!) and tomato (well, this is usually) and pomegranate (who needed it, it’s still a mystery to me) on the shelves, and where my youth passed it was time from time to time and not very long. But the birch ... Especially since it didn’t occur to anyone to buy it from us. It's like buying snow. The land we have is birch and our own juice was enough for a year with overkill.
                  There is probably still the cost of Soviet sluggishness and mismanagement.
                  I remember Mozhaisk (a special technology, in my opinion it was boiled directly in a bottle), milk was a terrible shortage and flew like hot cakes. At the same time, 80 kilometers from us, even in village shops (where bread was imported once a week) around Mozhaisk itself, this milk was up to the ceiling (literally) and it was just sour there.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 29 December 2013 00: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Normal
                    Grapes (??? !!!)

                    aha
                    Quote: Normal
                    pomegranate (who needed it, it's still a mystery to me),

                    Well, it's you in vain
                    Quote: Normal
                    milk was a terrible shortage and flew like hot cakes

                    well, after half past eight in the morning we didn’t have any milk either, but on condition that it was before and most importantly, that the natural
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            2. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 28 December 2013 19: 03
              +1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              we just had a birch was rare

              I remembered my youth. When passing the post on guard in the spring, not so much the press looked, how many cans of birch sap where they stood wink
      3. Normal
        Normal 28 December 2013 16: 48
        +2
        Quote: bairat
        Yeah, I also generally agree.

        I also very much agree with you, but not in the field of national relations. I plan to post an article on this topic. If the site administration skips, I will be glad to read your comment.
      4. 10kAzAk01
        10kAzAk01 29 December 2013 13: 18
        +1
        There were 1000 cows on the collective farm where the father was from, every day they sent milk and cattle to the city for slaughter, while there weren’t any in the shops. Now the whole former collective farm and hundreds of cows is not typed, but with the abundance of food, and in particular, my father really appreciates this.

        And at our state farm there were 100 sheep + a feed complex for cattle for 000 tons. goals, I’m silent about pigs ... now there is nothing
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 28 December 2013 11: 03
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      The USSR lost primarily the battle for the minds. Lost in the propaganda and PR of his values ​​and achievements

      The ideological power, which many refuse to recognize as power, turned out to be higher and stronger than all known types of power such as legislative, executive and judicial powers. A powerful, strong, heavily armed power fell without a single shot ...
      In modern Russia it is forbidden to have your own ideology, to have your own ideological power ...
      There was ideology in the USSR, but above ideological power there is conceptual power ...
      1. Normal
        Normal 28 December 2013 17: 01
        +1
        Quote: Boris55
        The ideological power, which many refuse to recognize as power, turned out to be higher and stronger than all known types of power such as legislative, executive and judicial powers. A powerful, strong, heavily armed power fell without a single shot ..

        I am glad that I agree with you on at least this issue. Nevertheless
        I do not consider the BER platform as a whole true.
  7. andr1966a
    andr1966a 28 December 2013 08: 31
    +4
    There was one single minus in the USSR (as it seemed to me then) - it was a summary of Marx, Lenin, etc. I did not understand why it was necessary in such a volume and at all levels, no one could understand anything. And in general, about. ..if the USSR is what we all need, we will continue to remain silent about ... Russia and
    1. I do not care
      I do not care 28 December 2013 10: 55
      +11
      not so simple
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 28 December 2013 11: 42
      +10
      Quote: andr1966a
      There was one single minus in the USSR (as it seemed to me then) was a summary of Marx, Lenin, etc.

      That's just the loss! Asked notes, but did not ask UNDERSTANDING!
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 28 December 2013 11: 49
        +8
        Quote: Egoza
        That's just the loss! Asked notes, but did not ask UNDERSTANDING!

        And they didn't ask for understanding ... "They've already thought for you! ..."
        The problem was that the "leading role of the CPSU," highlighted in the USSR Constitution in a separate paragraph, "stirred" the minds of swindlers, parasites and scoundrels who began to make a career "along the party line." They had no time to read the works of Marx, much less Stalin. The result is known ...
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 28 December 2013 16: 28
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        That's just the loss! Asked notes, but did not ask UNDERSTANDING!


        They didn’t just ask but forced to stupidly rewrite the more it is written the better ..
        It is no coincidence that many officers said that under democrats, officers will have high salaries and social status as officers in the West (we recall the Maidan right there) and save them from political idlers (though we, together with everyone, carried the DB and, with rare exceptions, they were normal men) and the need to have three large notebooks on the MLP with the materials of the Plenums and the appeals of the CPSU Central Committee by May XNUMX ...
        I remember our commander had a favorite saying on summing up the results usually — such a comrade spoke long and stupidly as in the appeals of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union on May XNUMX ... And usually he ended up who will defend your homeland for you, comrade officers, am I yes on ... I need this one! smile
    3. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 28 December 2013 13: 58
      0
      Quote: andr1966a
      There was one single minus in the USSR (as it seemed to me then) was a summary of Marx, Lenin, etc.

      There was no minus sign in the USSR, no one outlined either Marx or Lenin, all this was pure window dressing and formality.
      We were taught at the university — the History of the CPSU, Political Economy, Scientific Communism, I don’t remember that one of the students leaned on these subjects and that at least someone did not pass the exams.
      After Khrushchev, the USSR did not actually have a state ideology; the whole ideology was reduced to slogans and cliches, which the ideologists themselves did not believe in.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 28 December 2013 14: 26
        +5
        Quote: Corsair5912
        We were taught at the university — the History of the CPSU, Political Economy, Scientific Communism, I don’t remember that one of the students leaned on these subjects and that at least someone did not pass the exams.

        At the Graduate School, passing exams in the above subjects represented the same tradition and visibility as study. Only certain works and articles were "offered" for study and analysis. "Ghosts roaming Europe", "Capital" in a truncated version were "studied". In the finale, EVERYTHING WAS REDUCED to the prosaic test question "Are you for Soviet power?" I don’t remember anyone who answered negatively.
        And an overly "smart" and advanced Bulgarian, who studied in our group, and who dared to argue about the loyalty of such a science as "Political Economy", instead of going home to Burgas, in the summer, on the third attempt, was able to "justify" in his " opportunism ". laughing
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 28 December 2013 16: 54
          0
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          At the Graduate School, passing exams in the above subjects represented the same tradition and visibility as study. Only certain works and articles were "offered" for study and analysis. "Ghosts roaming Europe", "Capital" in a truncated version were "studied". In the finale, EVERYTHING WAS REDUCED to the prosaic test question "Are you for Soviet power?" I don’t remember anyone who answered negatively.

          Right. So it was.
          At our 1 course, one weirdo seriously took the recommendation to read Marx, Lenin, Engels, etc., took books in the library and tried, eventually found himself incapable of higher education and dropped out of school.
          Abstracts of the works of the classics of Marxism in our country were passed down from generation to generation, the teachers, of course, knew, but did not find fault.
          And at the 5 course, we also introduced a state exam on Scientific Communism, before defending a diploma.
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      2. Sour
        Sour 28 December 2013 15: 47
        0
        Quote: Corsair5912
        no one outlined either Marx or Lenin, all this was in its pure form of window dressing and formality.
        We were taught at the university — the history of the CPSU, political economy, scientific communism,

        They also taught Marxist-Leninist philosophy, in the 2nd year of each university. You obviously did not study at a Soviet university, and you are telling from other people's words.
        I still remember the names of the works of Lenin, which made me take notes, and then show the notes to the teacher.
        Quote: Corsair5912
        In the USSR, after Khrushchev, there was virtually no state ideology

        After Khrushchev, it was impossible to make any career in the USSR without joining the CPSU — neither production, nor military, nor scientific. This was the state ideology. Once again - you did not live in the USSR, do not give daddy stories for his biography. It's ugly to overestimate your age and pretend to be an adult.
        1. corn
          corn 28 December 2013 22: 38
          +1
          Sour.
          Fortunately, after graduation, I also graduated from a military academy (not named after V.I. Lenin). There, at an accelerated pace, knowledge was restored and supplemented in all four socio-political sciences.
          Now it’s wild to read the opinions of some commentators on this site on socio-political issues. They even confuse the form of government with the type of state.
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    5. washi
      washi 28 December 2013 21: 35
      +1
      Quote: andr1966a
      There was one single minus in the USSR (as it seemed to me then) was a summary of Marx, Lenin, etc.

      Unfortunately, they did not outline the IVS. He was the last ideologist.
      There are a lot of ideologies and the economics of socialism.
      Unfortunately, his works were not read by his followers.
      Now there is no one to develop the ideology of communism. There are not enough brains.
  8. Leader
    Leader 28 December 2013 08: 38
    +11
    The USSR was destroyed by its own political demagogues, including army politicians.
    The main blame for the collapse of the USSR lies with the army - more precisely, with the military commanders, who showed their usual cowardice and cowardice by that time in making ANY decisions.
    So, there is nothing to blame for the bourgeoisie - by this time people had degenerated, ready to take responsibility on themselves.
    And the current "leaders" of Russia are the same cadre "Komsomol members" and "communists". All the same familiar faces ...
    1. Normal
      Normal 28 December 2013 08: 48
      +8
      Quote: Leader
      The main blame for the collapse of the USSR lies with the army - more precisely, with the military commanders, who showed their usual cowardice and cowardice by that time in making ANY decisions.


      Not true! The armed forces should not take part in the internal political struggle.
      The function of protecting the state system is the prerogative of the KGB and it is betrayal in the KGB, the frank work of its leaders and middle managers aimed at changing the system, and led to the destruction of the USSR
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 28 December 2013 11: 53
        +5
        Quote: Normal
        The function of protecting the state system is the prerogative of the KGB and it is betrayal in the KGB, the frank work of its leaders and middle managers aimed at changing the system, and led to the destruction of the USSR

        All true.
        But do not forget how the Communist Party of the Soviet Union "sent" "untouchables" from members and candidates of the Politburo to the KGB for leading positions. Such nonprofessionals destroyed the KGB, and in the field they gave CU by phone to collective and state farms - when to start sowing and harvesting ...
        1. Kostya pedestrian
          Kostya pedestrian 28 December 2013 16: 07
          0
          Just the KGB collapsed very professionally. This is for us in the years 1945-1946 the war ended in victory.

          These Martians have not forgotten such a shame. So the maize breeder appeared, the forerunner of the Khrushchev - compare xs resurrected in the forest, the collapse of the USSR in Belovezhskaya Pushcha.

          By the way, the spirit that they brought, or rather, how much they took our spirit:

          - Chernobyl
          - Caucasus
          - Chechnya
          - Crime wars

          But this, they are steep eggs on the earth, and on Mars they are full of scumbags, you know they have low temperatures there, and here they climb to our White Sea, you just need to collect the Huns brigade again and bring these neo-crusaders to the most Fukushima.
      2. corn
        corn 28 December 2013 22: 50
        +1
        Normal
        Quote
        "The Armed Forces should not take part in the internal political struggle."
        If you accept your thesis, the result will be:
        -Prohibition of military personnel to engage in political activities;
        -the abolition of the institute of political workers in uniform;
        -the liquidation of military-political educational institutions,
        that is, the destruction of the ideological foundation of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army.
        The USSR would disappear much faster.
    2. S-200
      S-200 28 December 2013 10: 59
      +3
      Quote: Leader
      The main blame for the collapse of the USSR lies with the army - more precisely, with the military commanders, who showed their usual cowardice and cowardice by that time in making ANY decisions.

      I agree with the Normal.
      The function of the Army is to protect the Homeland from EXTERNAL enemies!
      To blame the KGB for not being able to suppress the collaborationist actions of the country's political leadership is also reckless ...
      Rigid centralized management carrying out all the decisions of the leadership of the CPSU "in life" dictates strict rules of conduct. You either fulfill all the requirements, or you are thrown overboard ..
      You can play your own game if you are in the leadership of the KGB (like Kryuchkov).
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 28 December 2013 12: 46
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        I chose that quote if at that time half of the population (collective farmers) did not even have passports, and the word workday does not tell you anything?

        And who needs a passport? Do you don’t know what your name is and where you live without a passport? Do you not understand that a free person does not need a passport? What do you look at your passport as a certificate of release from prison? On the contrary, it’s a sentence of imprisonment! Before the revolution, they understood this perfectly. Read the article from the Brockhaus and Efron encyclopedia, which I cite, greatly reducing it: - “A passport (French. Passeport) is one of the means for monitoring suspicious persons in the form of state security.
        ... The preservation of the significance of the police surveillance tool for P. was recognized by the commissions established to revise the passport charter as necessary in view of both the vast territory of Russia and the difficulty of providing it with sufficient police protection. Under current law, in the place of permanent residence (see. Residence), as a general rule, P. is not required.
        The exception is metropolitan and other cities declared in the state of emergency or enhanced protection. In addition, in the areas covered by the rules on supervision of industrial establishments, workers in factories and factories are required to have a P. in their place of permanent residence. P. is not required when absent from the place of permanent residence within the county and outside it no further than 50 century. and no more than for 6 months.
        ... Noblemen not serving, persons dismissed from public service, officer ranks and reserve officials, honor. perpetual P. books issued by police departments (in the capitals - district bailiffs) serve as citizenship, merchants, and commoners residence permits.
        ... Petty bourgeois, artisans and rural inhabitants receive from petty-bourgeois and craft administrations, through volost foremen: 1) P. books for 5 years, if there are arrears of public fees - with the consent of the society, and the annual amount of fees to be paid is indicated December 31 of each year; otherwise the book is selected; 2) P. for one year, 6 months or 3 months, regardless of arrears that are on the recipient.
        ... Living without a legalized or overdue appearance is punishable by 61 Art. of the statute on punishments. "
        1. bairat
          bairat 28 December 2013 13: 29
          -1
          Quote: Z.O.V.
          And who needs a passport? Do you don’t know what your name is and where you live without a passport? Do you not understand that a free person does not need a passport? What do you look at your passport as a certificate of release from prison?

          You piled classics here, everything was much more prosaic: without a passport the collective farmer could not leave for the city, the police were looking for such fugitives.
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 28 December 2013 19: 25
            +2
            Anyone could get a passport if they wanted, and the police searched for the unemployed. This was considered a crime. For the lack of a passport there was a fine. And quite small. I don’t remember exactly. It was impossible to enter or study without a passport.
            PS The minus is not mine. You just don’t know how it was.
            Now found out wink
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 19: 37
              0
              Quote: There was a mammoth
              For the lack of a passport there was a fine.

              repeated violation - criminal liability
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            3. bairat
              bairat 28 December 2013 20: 20
              +1
              Quote: There was a mammoth
              PS The minus is not mine. You just don’t know how it was.

              I don’t know, the welder working with me knows, who escaped from the village in the 60s. No need to evaluate other people's opinions, I know, I don’t know, just express yours.
            4. aviator65
              aviator65 29 December 2013 00: 10
              0
              For the loss of a passport - a fine of 10 rubles. It was written on the last page of the passport of a citizen of the USSR.
  9. individual
    individual 28 December 2013 08: 53
    +15
    For me, the USSR:
    There was a truly Russian, imaginative speech, not littered with vulgar, foreign, clerical words. Songs that convey the daring and longing of the soul. Fairy tales that we listened to with bated breath and which "went" to other people's Mickey Mouse. Captivating poetry. First experience of prayer. Exciting children's imagination stories from native history, about its heroes, saints - they gave birth to the idea of ​​the vastness of the motherland, the glory of its army. And work, taken for granted from childhood, did not seem to be a burden, but on the contrary - it was a guarantee of health and freedom, gave rise to a craving for creativity.
    One word - sorry for the lost time sorry - the lost GREAT COUNTRY of the USSR.
  10. Marine One
    Marine One 28 December 2013 08: 53
    +1
    For an ideological message and sincere enthusiasm, the article is a plus. For the content minus. The author, fighting, and fighting fairly, with myths about the USSR, piled up exactly the same mythology around the sunset countries.
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    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 28 December 2013 17: 02
      0
      I agree.
      Tales about the omniscience of the Yankees and Euros about the internal politics of the USSR were composed by the Yankees and Euros themselves, and specifically their sociologists and political scientists from all sorts of institutions to row loot.
      In fact, the West did not know or understand anything in the life of Soviet people, and socialism did not interfere with it at all. There is no socialism for a long time, and the policy of the West has not changed at all, it has only become more aggressive.
  11. Voinnet
    Voinnet 28 December 2013 09: 03
    +3
    We have a huge mortality rate in our country .. we are dying out, and soon we will live in communities in our own country .. I don’t think that a return to the USSR and socialism will bear fruit, it just doesn’t have time .. but here we need to carry out work to unite the state, and so But to give our people a cause (goal) so that they cease to engage in self-destruction.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 28 December 2013 17: 06
      +1
      Quote: Voinnet
      We have a huge mortality rate in our country .. we are dying out, and soon we will live in communities in our own country .. I don’t think that a return to the USSR and socialism will bear fruit, it just doesn’t have time .. but here we need to carry out work to unite the state, and so But to give our people a cause (goal) so that they cease to engage in self-destruction.

      We have 142 million people in our country, and the ratio between fertility and mortality does not differ from the countries of Western Europe, so we will become the last to die out, after the complete extinction of Germany, France, England, etc.
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  12. Lk17619
    Lk17619 28 December 2013 09: 09
    +9
    Damn, I want to go back to the USSR ....... (((((
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 28 December 2013 10: 24
      +3
      Dimon will not give it - he will stand up as a TREEK at the gates of horseradish you will break into the USSR. smile
      1. Lk17619
        Lk17619 28 December 2013 10: 58
        +1
        And we throw his washers in a crowd)))
      2. Hleb
        Hleb 28 December 2013 11: 03
        +3
        do not associate Dimon with Vladislav Arkadevich. although ... if we are talking about obstinacy, then yes, you can remember the third
  13. santush
    santush 28 December 2013 09: 33
    +5
    tungus, bravo! I read the article with pleasure. Everything is pure truth! But really, why haven’t those who are still alive, who, while in power, ruined the USSR, betrayed the homeland, sanctioned the criminal article before execution!
  14. leks
    leks 28 December 2013 09: 43
    +10
    The article is good, but there is no accuracy in 60-70 in the West there was no general lending to the population with cards.
    And most importantly, the author does not mention the REFERENDUM on March 17, 1991. The All-Union referendum on the preservation of the USSR
    17 March 1991 year
    “Do you consider it necessary to preserve the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as a renewed federation of equal sovereign republics, in which the rights and freedoms of a person of any nationality will be fully guaranteed?”
    Results
    Yes or No Votes Percentage
    Yes 113 512 812 77.85%
    No 32 303 977 22.15%
    Valid votes 145 816 789 98.14%
    Invalid votes 2 757 817 1.86%
    Total votes 148 574 606 100.00%
    Turnout 80.03%
    Electorate 185 647 355
    Source: Report of the Central Referendum Commission of the USSR on the results of the referendum of the USSR held on March 17, 1991,
    That is, based on this vote, 77% supported the preservation of the USSR, so there is no need to say that the people wanted to live in Europe, the only thing is that the people just silently watched as a bunch of traitors sold the country.
  15. recruit
    recruit 28 December 2013 10: 05
    +1
    As nothing is done, we provide them with gas, electricity, oil.
  16. Semenov
    Semenov 28 December 2013 10: 05
    +5
    Why remember the past - you need to think about the future. And you need to start with the education system - from school to explain to children what is good and how it was.
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 28 December 2013 11: 01
      +6
      Gold words! We must live in the present and do everything so that our country survives in this world! Everything is in our hands! hi
  17. Stas57
    Stas57 28 December 2013 10: 49
    +2
    There was no freedom in the USSR.

    This statement causes a smile. But let's go over the facts.

    and then a set of nonsense about homosexuals ..

    fundamental rights and freedoms are clearly indicated, there is not a word about homosexuals
    human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of thought, conscience, religion and belief, for all, without distinction of race, gender, language and religion.
    Helsinki agreements signed by the USSR, all freedoms are recorded in the Constitution of the USSR.
    the author needs to read, and not think about homosexuals.

    as in the ussr with freedom of religion was? Well, go on Easter, it’ll be such a crap, mom don’t cry.
    what about print freedom? Well, someone could write in a Soviet newspaper that the party was bad for him?
    Freedom of movement and choice of residence? Well, register in Moscow just like that, yeah


    It’s not necessary to hang up some myths, because there were problems with freedoms in the Soviet Socialist Republic of the Soviet Union, it’s a fact, good or bad, it’s discussed, for me it’s quite normal.
    but why do some illiterate inventions change to others?
    1. A. Yaga
      A. Yaga 28 December 2013 11: 55
      +3
      Quote: Stas57
      as in the ussr with freedom of religion was? Well, go on Easter, it’ll be such a crap, mom don’t cry.
      what about print freedom? Well, someone could write in a Soviet newspaper that the party was bad for him?
      Freedom of movement and choice of residence? Well, register in Moscow just like that, yeah

      1. At Easter, in the late 70s they went out having fun. In the 80s, even party children baptized.
      2.But now there is a tumbling and din, beyond which no one at all understands anything. And then the people discussed everything in the kitchens, met specially, nobody forbade. Then they made proposals at party meetings. Now you can only get drunk and get drunk. But freedom of speech
      3. It would be necessary to renew the registration. It's disgusting to think about Moscow, not to live in it.
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 28 December 2013 14: 16
        +1
        1. and? They told everyone at work? or silently silently before the perestroika were silent?
        and then probably baptized in a neighboring city or even region?
        Well, just in case, otherwise there are no problems, reprimand for sure.

        2. Well, we discussed in the kitchen and then went outside with the slogan, give us something? yeah, so I believed. Have you been to the party meeting? and how do you imagine making a proposal about purchasing "Heart of a Dog" and "Fatal Eggs" to Bulgakov's library or reading the Strugatskys "Ugly Swans" .... and watching the film "Checking on the Roads"(by the way about the movie, in some places the idiotic bans of party upstarts broke more firewood than KGB agents, but that's another story)

        Or would your friends get together and go with portraits of the tsar, oh, okay extremes, and at least with portraits of Stalin and Beria to the Red Square ?? yes Harosh, used to be in the KGB and listened to a boring lecture about"that now, after debunking the cult of personality, the role of Stalin has been rethought, and you, as a party member / Soviet citizen / need to know that it is not recommended to use his image ... and so on". And even if the whole brain was taken out, asking questions, who made you do this provocation?

        3. I would restore a lot of things, but what does this have to do with an illiterate article refuting the myths of the USSR.

        Yes, it doesn’t matter for the average citizen, he still doesn’t go with the portrait of the leader, he doesn’t go to church, etc. But with regard to freedom in the USSR, it’s not so simple and it’s not worth blotting out this issue with homosexuals, but it’s necessary to explain how and why it happened, what are the pros and cons, where is the breakthrough and where are the mistakes.
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 28 December 2013 14: 34
          +3
          Quote: Stas57
          Yes, it doesn’t matter for the average citizen, he still doesn’t go with the portrait of the leader, he doesn’t go to church, etc. But with regard to freedom in the USSR, it’s not so simple and it’s not worth blotting out this issue with homosexuals, but it’s necessary to explain how and why it happened, what are the pros and cons, where is the breakthrough and where are the mistakes

          The USSR has become history. It becomes a legend and a myth for the younger generation.
          You can argue to the point of hoarseness about the pros and cons of the USSR. But I personally agree with the words of VVP "Who wants to return the USSR - he has no heart ...".
          1. washi
            washi 28 December 2013 21: 46
            +1
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            But I personally agree with the words of VVP "Who wants to return the USSR - he has no heart ...".

            Quote must be correct.
            "Who NOT wants to return the USSR - that has no heart ... "
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 29 December 2013 00: 09
              +3
              Quote: Vasya
              Quote must be correct.
              "Who does NOT want to return the USSR - he has no heart ..."

              Ask GDP? laughing
        2. Stas57
          Stas57 28 December 2013 15: 07
          +2
          (by the way about the movie, in some places the idiotic bans of party upstarts broke more firewood than KGB agents, but that's another story)

          sorry CIA agents, not KGB

          stalkerwalker

          there are myths, they will be, but it’s necessary to return not the USSR, which cannot be returned, but a normal, strong, socially oriented state, with a clear perspective ahead.
          Then many problems themselves will go away, and the former republics will be pulled, and heaps will be put on the pants.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 28 December 2013 15: 17
            +4
            Quote: Stas57
            there are myths, they will be, but it’s necessary to return not the USSR, which cannot be returned, but a normal, strong, socially oriented state, with a clear perspective ahead.

            Good afternoon, Stas!
            I agree. At 100%.
            The problem is (judging by the statements of members of the forum) that many want everything at onceforgetting that haste is not only unnecessary, but also harmful. To break is not to build ... But the lines of the "Internationale" for some are almost the algorithm of their whole life.
  18. APASUS
    APASUS 28 December 2013 10: 55
    +2
    In these countries, control over ordinary people is imposed from above through various kinds of police governments to such an extent that this contradicts all the principles of democracy. ”

    When I read these words, Churchill could not believe how at times the states change places in history.
    In the history of psychological warfare, everything is not clean at all. In this regard, at least the USSR had a strictly ideology, and RUSSIA was weaving in the backyard of Western values. Although it’s not at all clear what prevents it from buying a couple of newspapers, television channels and building a logical system for forming and upholding your opinion in the West?
    1. Marine One
      Marine One 28 December 2013 12: 12
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      .Although it’s not at all clear what prevents it from buying a couple of newspapers and television channels from pocket oligarchs and building a logical system to form and defend their opinions in the West?


      They bought it for themselves. Russia Today, the cool PR agency Ketchum has been working on Russia's image in the West for many years. We bought five or two of the local experts from among the hereditary leftists who, foaming at the mouth, tell the Americans how they rot. More recently, Kiselev and his "Russia Today" are settling on the ruins of RIA Novosti. There are enough resources, however, the efficiency is close to zero.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 28 December 2013 14: 13
        +5
        Quote: Marine One
        Resources are quite enough, however, the efficiency is close to zero.

        This is your rash statement! The information war is a very long matter and here you can expect results for decades. And the results are already a little visible ............ it was impossible to imagine such posters on the streets of Rome during the USSR!
        WRITTEN ON THE POSTER “I am with Putin”
        1. Marine One
          Marine One 28 December 2013 15: 12
          0
          So, what is next? Some local guys hung posters at the height of the Syrian crisis in the fall. Local municipalities took them off the next day so that the walls did not litter.
          And, please, don’t talk about the impossible and rose from their knees only with GREAT PUTIN!
          Below is a picture from the 1897 Puck British magazine.
          1. Marine One
            Marine One 28 December 2013 15: 20
            0
            And, perhaps, I’ll add. Their center itself is anti-Russian, anti-Russian, anti-Soviet propaganda.
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 28 December 2013 16: 22
            0
            Quote: Marine One
            So, what is next? Some local guys hung posters at the height of the Syrian crisis in the fall. Local municipalities took them off the next day so that the walls did not litter

            Did you expect victory in the information war?
            For them, Russia is an enemy for anyone and the portrait of Putin shows that not everyone copies thoughts from Washington. Not everyone agrees with the policies of their own states, and if the appearance of this poster is the merit of our media, at least one percent means the money was not wasted!
            By the way ......... will be in Paris or Rome, try to hang a poster on the wall for a change, so that would understand the power of the system.
            1. Marine One
              Marine One 28 December 2013 17: 51
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              By the way ......... will be in Paris or Rome, try to hang a poster on the wall for a change, so that would understand the power of the system.

              I have been there and I hope I will still be there. By the way, I would like to note that a Russian tourist who discusses the features of Raphael's mosaics with the caretaker of the Church of Santa Maria del Popolo does much more for the "information war" than gopniks putting up idiotic posters.
        2. Marine One
          Marine One 28 December 2013 17: 34
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          it was impossible to imagine such posters on the streets of Rome during Soviet times!

          I googled a little on the topic of poster authors. Fronte Nazionale - Italian neo-fascist the consignment. You and Putin have found worthy friends for yourself. I have no words. And by the way, you are right, "it was impossible to imagine such posters on the streets of Rome in Soviet times!" hi
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 28 December 2013 22: 46
            0
            Quote: Marine One
            You and Putin have found worthy friends. I have no words.

            Strange you perceive this poster.
            Quickly enlisted all as friends of the neo-fascist party, maybe everything is much simpler? Putin’s portrait was used as a challenge to the political course, and not as patronage of fascism by Putin, how did you beat this !?
            1. Marine One
              Marine One 28 December 2013 23: 50
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              Strange you perceive this poster.

              The usual statement of fact. Nothing strange, no patronage, no politics. Just a fact. The fact is that portraits of GDP on the walls were posted by a small neo-fascist gang.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 29 December 2013 11: 01
                +1
                Quote: Marine One
                The usual statement of fact. Nothing strange, no patronage, no politics. Just a fact. The fact is that portraits of GDP on the walls were posted by a small neo-fascist gang.

                For me, so literate PR, what is there to draw a big fig? So people will not notice you with such a poster. And Putin is Europe’s personification of the challenge, politically and economically. Yes, they are petty nationalists and that, after all, they agree with Putin on the Syrian issue. Here the fact itself plays a role. Because the portrait of European Championships is just not used, because you can not take it otherwise as a protest.
                In the modern world, to achieve a goal, for example, the United States, England do not shun anything. Killing some terrorists in Afghanistan, they perfectly equip others in Syria. And they consider themselves to be the standard of justice!
  19. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 28 December 2013 11: 00
    +4
    Quote: The war is not over, it continues. Russia has always been an enemy for the West, because its existence threatens the existence of Western civilization in its current form.

    Propaganda of opponents of Russia, characterized by deceitful impudence and pressure, praising Western "values", unfortunately, does not meet adequate, powerful counter-propaganda on our part. Even the obvious balcony and stupidity American State Department, Russian officials respond with soft, "rounded" stamps such as "you are wrong gentlemen ...". It's a shame. There is a feeling that our rulers are afraid of both Americans and Europeans. And why? For every attack by Western ideologists towards Russia, a devastating response must be given, showing the stupidity and insignificance of Russia's opponents "
    This is the only way to win the ideological war!

    And the myths about the supposedly backward Soviet economy are spread by liberal Gaidar-Chubais renegades who, in more than 20 years, destroyed the second world economy in the world without creating anything worthwhile in return for it.
  20. Stanislas
    Stanislas 28 December 2013 11: 08
    +2
    The article is not bad, but it’s practically useless for the information war, because it is based on the book technologies of the last century, that is, it suggests that it will affect the minds of people who are used to reading, comparing numbers, analyzing ... Where can I get these? None of those reading this article will say that before that he thought otherwise, but after this article his eyes opened. In the 21st century, effective information warfare technologies are based on an emotional picture, it creates a myth in the minds of viewers. Remember the picture of the tower fall in New York. The World Trade Center is a symbol of the old world order based on a balance of economic interests (therefore twin towers). The United States, seeking to establish itself in the role of world hegemon, did not like this symbol very much (what kind of balance is there, there are hegemonic interests that are always above the rest). Who worked there? Representatives of different countries who lobbied the trade interests of their countries in the WTO (they are not sorry, but the right people can be recalled for this time). But the results of the dismantled video of the dismantling of the WTC towers are comparable with the results of World War II: the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, US bases in Kyrgyzstan and Poland, etc. And there are almost no victims from the hegemon.
    1. Marine One
      Marine One 28 December 2013 15: 38
      0
      Quote: Stanislav
      for it is based on the book technologies of the last century, that is, it suggests that it will affect the minds of people who are used to reading, comparing numbers,


      There are no figures and no analysis in the article. Mediocre and illiterate sketch. Who is it for? The Americans? Well, they will only grin at the lack of social elevators in the United States and medical assistance to the poor. Moreover, the author in this topic, in principle, does not understand anything. The Russians? A milling machine operator on some "TSNIITMASH", having read this opus, what should he do? Bring humanitarian aid to the US Embassy? To overfulfill the plan by 320%?
      1. Stanislas
        Stanislas 28 December 2013 16: 49
        0
        Quote: Marine One
        There are no numbers in the article.
        Well, you missed the fun part laughing
        Quote: Marine One
        To bring humanitarian aid to the US Embassy? Overfulfill the plan by 320%?
        It is possible that vote for a candidate from the Communist Party in the elections. This is a question for the Tungus, and I am a Chukchi smile
        1. Marine One
          Marine One 29 December 2013 00: 00
          0
          Quote: Stanislav
          Well, you missed the fun part

          Alas, I didn’t miss the author.
          Quote: Stanislav
          This is a question for the Tungus, and I am a Chukchi

          That's noticeable.
  21. major071
    major071 28 December 2013 11: 14
    +10
    To the author plus. I was born in the USSR, studied in the USSR, and began working under the USSR. The apartment in which I now live was obtained by my parents (the kingdom to them is heaven) from the state, the knowledge that I received in a Soviet school allowed me to get two higher educations (and diametrically opposite - technical and humanitarian), and now in order to I had to buy a son for a future one-room apartment, for two years I had to figure out for the Arctic Circle for two years without vacation, and then barely scraped money. And modern education here is generally laughter and sin, in USE tickets the tasks for grades 5-6. What country about (s) rally ...
  22. S-200
    S-200 28 December 2013 11: 17
    +1
    Article set +
    although I disagree with some postulates ...
    the author AGAIN war of two civilizations of the WEST and Russia!
    INTEGRATION should ... benefit everyone!wink
    even during the Soviet Union it was a question of competition, confrontation, and, as an extreme, the Cold War ...
    The collapse of the USSR and the entire system of socialism became possible not only because of the betrayal of the country's leadership ...
    Dissatisfaction with the socialist way of life, the false Soviet propaganda has ripened among the people for a long time. If a person works well, then he must live - with dignity!
    In the USSR, it turned out to be quite difficult to realize ...
    Massive DEFICIENCY on EVERYTHING sowed discontent among the people.
    The words of the USSR leadership about the growth of the well-being of the Soviet people almost always diverged from the facts of existence in conditions of total deficit. (I do not denigrate the time when just my happy childhood (and youth) was provided with almost all the necessary deficit from the capital.)
    KAZARMEN socialism was built in the USSR, unlike SWEDISH ...
    any private initiative is strictly regulated
    The collapse of socialism in the USSR was an objective systemic law.
  23. CALL.
    CALL. 28 December 2013 11: 29
    +2
    - No need to say that Gorbachev did it. No one went out and said “no!” To the cesspool into which he was dragging the country. Quite the contrary, they came out to support those who stood for the collapse of the Union. We destroyed the country ourselves. -

    To impose and instill in the victim a feeling of guilt is one of the tasks of the information-ideological war.
    The main goal of this war is a deliberate change in public consciousness. The task was to introduce into the public consciousness such false ideas about the world around us that would allow further manipulation of both the country's population and its ruling elite. If the United States relied on large-scale scientific developments in the information war, studied in detail the methods of influence and the characteristics of public consciousness, then in the USSR there was not even a real understanding of what was happening.
    By the end of the 80s, the country was on the verge of destruction. Many people had an understanding or, better to say, a premonition of an impending tragedy, but they were powerless to prevent it, organize a rebuff, because they did not have knowledge about the methods and ways of manipulating public consciousness and could not adequately assess the situation. In the final stage, a powerful concentration of means of influence on society was used. There is 1990, at the final stage of the information war, all media actions are clearly coordinated, programmed and aimed at misinforming the population.
    The information war was lost.
    Even now, after what happened to us and the country, after what pit we fell into, there are still unbelievers who do not believe that the USSR was destroyed by the lies, meanness and deceit of the West and the local "fifth column" brought up by this West.
    1. Lindon
      Lindon 28 December 2013 12: 20
      +2
      Quote: Z.O.V.
      - No need to say that Gorbachev did it. No one went out and said “no!” To the cesspool into which he was dragging the country. Quite the contrary, they came out to support those who stood for the collapse of the Union. We destroyed the country ourselves. -


      The people went out. Think of the suppression of popular protests. Take, for example, Alma-Ata in 1986 - Gorbachev branded it with the nationalist performance of the Kazakh people and dispersed it with troops. True, he always said that he did not give an order to the troops - it turns out that they themselves acted without an order. The troops did not have time to suppress the demonstrations in all the republics - and you write here, the people did not go out into the street and did not say "no".
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 28 December 2013 12: 57
        +1
        Quote: Z.O.V.
        - No need to say that Gorbachev did it. No one went out and said “no!” To the cesspool into which he was dragging the country. Quite the contrary, they came out to support those who stood for the collapse of the Union. We destroyed the country ourselves. -

        I answer the respected Lindon. The first paragraph is not my thoughts. This is a quotation from the article we are discussing. Yes, I know that the people went out and protested against the policies of Gorbachev and his accomplices.
        1. CALL.
          CALL. 28 December 2013 15: 03
          0
          Technologies of color revolutions are prescribed, taking advantage of any excuse to bring people to the streets. (As Sigmund Freud wrote in his lectures on the psychology of the crowd, a person who has fallen into such conditions becomes uncontrollable, he is driven by the general mass and general excitement develops with incredible speed), and through provocateurs sent into the crowd, cause riots, preferably with victims. According to this scenario, "Bloody Sunday" was organized. During the peaceful march of St. Petersburg workers to the Winter Palace on January 9, 1905, the provocateurs were the first to open fire on the cordon of soldiers, one police officer was killed and several soldiers were wounded, which provoked retaliatory volleys. At this time, there was a war with Japan and the tsarist government did not need a revolution at all. But the revolutionaries, who were generously paid by Japan, really needed it. The CIA and the BND provoked riots in Budapest in 1956 (During 6 days of riots from October 24 to 29, 350 Soviet servicemen and about 50 family members died), In Prague 1968 (then no one was killed, they had to invent a victim, a deceased student, then suddenly resurrected), in Alma-Ata in 1986 (according to some sources of information, several civilians and several militiamen died, both during the battle and later), and then Karabakh, Sumgait, Tbilisi, Baku, Osh, Riga, Transnistria ... The whole chain of such events does not seem strange, as if planned and coordinated from one center. And these disorders could be extinguished by fair and fair and public justice. Seeing the instigators and their punishment, the people calmed down. But there was no political will for this. It is a pity for the innocent people who died. And then, with the collapse of the USSR, the victims of the tragedy began to number in the hundreds of thousands. And this is also on the conscience of Judas Gorbachev and his team. Their puppeteers are also known, who ordered music and danced in round dances. They're not really hiding
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 28 December 2013 13: 28
        +3
        the army turned out to be serious impotence ..... in the same 91st, Sasha Lebed had such support in the troops ------- mom do not cry! but .... it turned out to be too honest to make these democratic fascists sputter their blood ...... it’s good, it’s bad. I don’t know .......
        1. washi
          washi 28 December 2013 21: 55
          0
          Quote: stroporez
          the army turned out to be serious impotence ..... in the same 91st, Sasha Lebed had such support in the troops ------- mom do not cry! but .... it turned out to be too honest to make these democratic fascists sputter their blood ...... it’s good, it’s bad. I don’t know .......

          What is a swan (about which I have not heard), compared with the oath?
          And the oath of the end of the USSR was different from the oath of 1941
        2. corn
          corn 28 December 2013 23: 47
          0
          stroporez
          Quote
          "... in the same 91, Sasha Lebed had such support in the army ------- mom, don't cry ..."

          Help

          "From February 1991 to June 1992 - simultaneously with the post of commander of the 106th airborne division, he was deputy commander of the Airborne Forces for combat training and military educational institutions. On August 19, 1991, following the order of the State Emergency Committee in the person of the commander of the Airborne Forces P Gracheva, at the head of a battalion of Tula paratroopers, surrounded the building of the White House of the Supreme Soviet of the RSFSR, but the next day, August 20, he switched to the side of Boris Yeltsin's supporters, deploying tanks already in defense of the Supreme Soviet against the State Emergency Committee. At the end of August 1991 he participated in negotiations with the Moldovan government on the subordination of the 300th Airborne Regiment, located in Chisinau; this regiment was commanded by his brother, Colonel Alexei Lebed. "(From Vicki, that would not be looking for a long time).

          This is the army, where the general must be sent to fulfill the order by the battalion.
      3. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 28 December 2013 20: 03
        +1
        Quote: Lindon
        . Take the 1986 Alma-Ata, for example - Gorbachev branded it a nationalist performance of the Kazakh people ...

        So it was.
        Quote: Lindon
        ... and dispersed by troops.

        After unarmed troops threw pieces of granite and then on the third day. By the way, remember the massively chopped rebar.
      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 20: 08
        0
        Quote: Lindon
        Take Alma-Ata in 1986, for example - Gorbachev branded it a nationalist performance of the Kazakh people and dispersed troops

        how can you name those events ?!
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    2. nikcris
      nikcris 28 December 2013 23: 06
      0
      I was then 25 years younger with a slight minus of years, but I don’t support your nonsense.
      The GKChP statement was enough for me - we accepted it with deep enthusiasm. But those behind the statement did not understand that Moscow was not the USSR at all. They looked at Moscow. And I remember how in factories in Kazakhstan people were ready to hurt Yeltsinism in the testicles. But Muscovites decided differently, and in the seventeenth ...
  24. demotivator
    demotivator 28 December 2013 11: 33
    +4
    Quote: S_mirnov
    Why do you need a passport? The state needs a passport to manage the masses! But do not worry, soon you will be sent a chip to your passport! And it will be possible to say that in the USSR the entire population lived without chips!

    Absolutely right! I completely agree with this statement. Repeating this liberal lie about passports, people do not think about who needs a passport? You? And what do you - without a passport, do not know what your name is and where you live? Do you not understand that a FREE person does not need a passport? What do you look at your passport as a certificate of release from prison? On the contrary, it’s a sentence of imprisonment! Before the revolution, they understood this perfectly. Read, for example, an article from the Brockhaus and Efron encyclopedia, which I cite greatly reduced.
    “A passport (French. Passeport) is one of the means for monitoring suspicious persons in the form of state security.
    ... The preservation of the significance of the police surveillance tool for P. was recognized by the commissions established to revise the passport charter as necessary, given the vast territory of Russia and the difficulty in providing it with sufficient police protection. Under current law, in the place of permanent residence (see. Residence), as a general rule, P. is not required.
    ... Petty bourgeois, artisans and rural inhabitants receive from petty-bourgeois and craft administrations, through volost foremen: 1) P. books for 5 years, if there are arrears of public fees - with the consent of the society, and the annual amount of fees, which should be paid on December 31, is indicated every year; otherwise the book is selected; 2) P. for one year, 6 months or 3 months, regardless of arrears that are on the recipient.
    ... Living without a legalized or overdue appearance is punishable by Art. of the statute on punishments. "

    The Bolsheviks perfectly understood the essence of passports, therefore, having come to power, they immediately canceled all passports and the requirements to have them! And a stubborn struggle began between the OGPU and the police with the Politburo for the certification of the population, during which the Government, first led by Lenin, gradually gave up its positions.
    In 1919, it was compelled to demand from everyone in the cities to have labor books that replaced the passport, and those who did not work at state and public enterprises and institutions themselves entered information on work in their books. In 1923, the Government once again abandoned the principles of freedom and again introduced identity cards common to all in cities only in cities. The OGPU and the police were unhappy, but the Politburo was dead - the word "passport" turned him on. In 1927, it generally all documents of birth, marriage, certificates of house administrations or village Councils on residence, official certificates, checkbooks, trade union, military, student ID cards, etc. - all equated to documents proving the identity of a citizen. (In the United States, as you know, a recognized driver’s license or tax return is a recognized identity document).
    Only in 1932 did the OGPU finish the Politburo, and it agreed to introduce passports in the form in which we have them today - with a residence permit. But only in cities, workers' villages working on transport, on state farms and on new buildings! Further, Stalin was already dead, and when after the war, the commander of Ukraine Khrushchev, in order to facilitate the fight against Bandera gangs, asked to introduce universal passportization in Ukraine, he was refused! The concepts of "free Soviet man" and "universal passportization" for Stalin were incompatible. Did he have to step on the freedom of the people more than the tsar did, who did not require a passport in places of permanent residence ??
  25. CALL.
    CALL. 28 December 2013 11: 40
    +1
    Alain Dulles Directive 20/1 of 18.08.1948/XNUMX/XNUMX
    : "Having sowed chaos in the Soviet Union, we will imperceptibly replace their values ​​with false ones and make them believe in these false values. How? We will find our like-minded people ... our allies and assistants in Russia itself. Episode after episode will be played out on a grand scale the tragedy of the death of the most recalcitrant people on earth, the final, irreversible extinction of their self-consciousness ... Literature, theaters, cinema - everything will depict and glorify the basest human feelings. We will in every way support and raise the so-called creators who will plant and hammer into the human consciousness of the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal - in the word of any immorality. In government, we will create confusion ... We will imperceptibly promote tyranny of officials, bribe-takers, unprincipled bureaucracy and red tape will be elevated to virtue ... will not be needed by anyone, they will turn into a relic of the past logo. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, betrayal, nationalism and enmity of peoples, and above all enmity and hatred of the Russian people - all of this we will deftly and imperceptibly cultivate, all this will flourish terry color. And only a very few will guess or even understand what is happening. But we will put such people in a helpless position, turn them into a laughing stock, find a way to slander, declare them the waste of society ... "As we can see, the plan of the enemies of humanity was realized with amazing accuracy.
    Many have read it, but I have to give it, because (judging by the minuses of this article), not all. In general, it should be included in the curriculum of modern history.
    1. Stas57
      Stas57 28 December 2013 12: 02
      +2
      "... Mr. Oleinik has a very specific reference to the original source from which this sacramental quote was taken. This link deserves to be cited in full:" These ominous words the writer Anatoly Ivanov, as we know, included in the text of the second book of the novel "Eternal Call", published in 2 ... "" The Prince of Darkness "by Mr. Oleinik, together with the" Dulles quotation "and a footnote to it, was published in 1970 in the magazine" Young Guard ". who was then the editor-in-chief of this magazine? Yes, here he is, indicated on the last page of the magazine: Anatoly Ivanov. Here they are, I am sure, are the true authors of the "Dulles plan": the words of Ivanov, embodiment - Oleinik, place of publication "of the document "- the magazine" Young Guard ". So this fake was launched."
      Indeed: Comrade. Ivanov in "Eternal Call" these ominous words. Not in a row, not in a single piece, but there is. But what is not there is the mention of Allen Dulles. Why not? All because of the same: the deceased chief of American intelligence never said or wrote anything like that. The writer Ivanov has this entire terrible plan outlined by a certain Lakhnovsky, a former gendarme officer in Tomsk.

      full parsing
      http://sakva.ru/Nick/DullPlan.html

      although yes it sounds beautiful
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 28 December 2013 17: 15
        0
        A colleague first heard this version from you. Actually, I was sure that this was already a declassified document. And several times I came across the mention of this directive from historians. Thanks for the info. Interested.
        However, if we take into account that all the points from the above are fulfilled exactly, then it does not play a big role whether Allen Dulles actually said that.
        1. CALL.
          CALL. 28 December 2013 17: 21
          0
          So far I have found this: - Major General KP Petrov about the plan of Dales.
          http://vk.com/video32701064_161506500
          1. CALL.
            CALL. 28 December 2013 17: 43
            0
            US National Security Council Directive 20/1 of August 18, 1948
            from the collection
            Thomas H. Etzold and John Lewis Gaddis, eds.,
            Containment: Documents on American Policy and Strategy,
            1945-1950 NSC 20/1 (pages 173-203)
            Tasks in relation to Russia.
            III. Main goals.
            Our main tasks in relation to Russia are actually only two of the following:
            and. Reduce the power and influence of Moscow to such an extent that it will no longer pose a threat to the peace and stability of the international community;
            b. Make fundamental changes in the theory and practice of international relations, which adheres to the government, which is in power in Russia.
            With the solution of these two problems, our problems in relations with Russia would be reduced to a level that could be considered normal
            Before discussing ways to solve these problems, respectively, in peaceful and military conditions, we will consider them in more detail.
            1. TERRITORIAL REDUCTION OF RUSSIAN POWER AND INFLUENCE.
            2. CHANGE OF THE THEORY AND PRACTICE OF INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS TO BE FOLLOWED BY MOSCOW.

            What could be the goals of US national politics in time of peace?
            They logically follow from the two main tasks discussed above.
            1. REDUCTION OF RUSSIAN POWER AND INFLUENCE
            2. CHANGE OF RUSSIAN CONCEPTS OF INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS.
            3. SPECIFIC OBJECTIVES

            V. The solution of our main tasks during the war.
            This section discusses our goals for Russia in the event that a state of war arises between the United States and the USSR. Here it is supposed to find out what exactly we could consider as a favorable outcome of our military operations.
            1. ABOUT THE IMPOSSIBLE
            2. REDUCTION OF SOVIET POWER
            3. CHANGE OF RUSSIAN CONCEPTS OF INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS
            4. SEPARATION OR NATIONAL UNITY
            First of all, is it desirable in this case that the present territories of the Soviet Union remain united by one regime, or is it desirable to divide them? And if it is desirable to leave them united, at least to a large extent, what degree of federalism should the Russian government observe? What to do with the main national minorities, in particular with Ukraine?
            We have already noted the problem of the Baltic states. After the next war, the Baltic states should not remain under any communist rule. If the territory adjacent to the Baltic states is controlled by non-communist Russian authorities, we will have to be guided by the will of the Baltic peoples and the degree of moderation that the Russian authorities will tend to show towards them.
            In the case of Ukraine, the problem is completely different. Ukrainians are the most developed of the peoples under the control of Russia at present. In general, they are offended by Russian domination; their nationalist organizations abroad are active, listen to them. It would be easy to conclude that they should finally get freedom from Russian government and be realized as an independent state.
            5. SELECTION OF THE NEW RULING GROUP
            6. THE PROBLEM OF “DECOMMUNIZATION”
            Thus, we can say that we do not set the goal of our own efforts in the territory freed from the communist government of any large-scale program of decommunization, and that in general we should leave this problem to any local authority that can replace the Soviet leadership. This is short. More details: http://www.vrot.su/archives/758
        2. Stas57
          Stas57 28 December 2013 17: 36
          0
          so no reason, use your health
          Well, what came true is not the merit of Alan of their Dalas, but the insight of the Soviet writer))
          1. CALL.
            CALL. 28 December 2013 17: 48
            +1
            Maybe this was a leak of special services, and Ivanov only talentedly processed it. The directive was, I gave it a short version. I’ll read it more carefully tomorrow.
  26. Bosk
    Bosk 28 December 2013 11: 54
    +5
    The main enemy is ourselves.For example, to be honest, I am ashamed to look our mothers in the eyes to this day because they withstood the cruel war, raised the country, launched a man into space ... but what did we do?, We destroyed the country and now we are still looking for "excuses" and other guilty ones ... I don’t know how anyone but I still cannot get rid of my guilt feelings, I myself did not participate in Dem. processes but did not strongly interfere ...
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 28 December 2013 11: 57
      +6
      Quote: Bosk
      The main enemy is us.

      The main thing is to admit the mistakes you have made. This is the main condition so as not to do them in the future. "For one beaten, two unbeaten give" ...
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 28 December 2013 14: 22
        0
        hello.
        I already wrote above about freedom, but ... well, you yourself know everything.
  27. Not hearing
    Not hearing 28 December 2013 11: 59
    0
    The article is biased, against each argument you can calmly without straining to bring a weighty counterargument, all this has already been discussed more than once. I’m not saying that it’s good now, it’s a difficult time, but personally I don’t want to return to the USSR. And as far as I can tell, a significant part of the country's citizens adhere to the same point of view. This is simply evident from the election result.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 28 December 2013 15: 20
      +2
      History has no reverse course. And the USSR as it was before will no longer be. We need to build new relations with the CIS countries on the basis of mutually beneficial partnership. In today's world, a lonely country without strong allies, Anglo-Saxon predators accustomed to robbing (hiding behind a fig leaf - "human rights, democracy, human values" and other crap), will gobble up and not choke.
      And yet I really miss the USSR
    2. nikcris
      nikcris 28 December 2013 17: 42
      +4
      Who would let you go back. My Russian teacher would definitely not let me go. And I, as a citizen of the country, would not let go.
      PS And what you see from the election results is visible only to you. I can not see.
  28. Valery-SPB
    Valery-SPB 28 December 2013 12: 11
    0
    In the USSR there were no unemployed. Generally. Lack of work was a criminal offense. The work was strictly by profession. If you are an engineer, then be kind enough to work as an engineer, not a seller.


    The author's thought is vague in this section. What is meant by "no place of work"? Didn't work because there were no jobs? The corresponding article of the Criminal Code was responsible for parasitism, i.e. evasion of socially useful work with living on unearned income!
    Further. That one well-known Petersburg bard stopped working as an ambulance doctor? And Leon, who did not become an engineer from MAI (Izmailov), is engaged in humor, and some specialists who graduated from Soviet universities did not become "then be kind to work as an engineer", and in life have remained KVNschiki!
  29. CALL.
    CALL. 28 December 2013 12: 24
    +3
    Quote: andr1966a
    There was one single minus in the USSR (as it seemed to me then) - it was a summary of Marx, Lenin, etc. I did not understand why it was necessary in such a volume and at all levels, no one could understand anything.

    This is just understandable. Aversion to the ideals of socialism. The West studied the modern development of society and perfected ways to destroy Socialism. And we were forced to repeat the mossy dogmas of the late XIX - early XX centuries.
  30. Ross
    Ross 28 December 2013 12: 44
    +5
    Quote: Christian
    Yes, the war against us continues! The USSR ruined our enemies. But let's remember that before they ruined the Russian Empire. The war on the collapse of Great Russia has been going on for 100 years, only the ways and phases are changing.

    In fact, the war against Russia has been going on for more than 1000 years, from the time of the Khazaria at least, but in fact before.
  31. alex_valent
    alex_valent 28 December 2013 13: 19
    +6
    For the West, Russia is always a bone in the throat. It is either strongly monarchist and reactionary, or socialist and revolutionary. Perhaps it is enough to look into their mouths, wanting to hear praise?
  32. Setrac
    Setrac 28 December 2013 13: 31
    -1
    Of course, this is all interesting, but where are the myths? Minus the article for the discrepancy between the title and content.
  33. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 28 December 2013 13: 48
    +3
    Russia has always been an enemy for the West, because its existence threatens the existence of Western civilization in its current form. And therefore this war will be waged until the complete destruction of one of the parties. And while Russia is losing this war. To start winning, you need to know and understand the methods of the enemy, respond to them and strike back. Maybe using his weapons. Or maybe just telling the truth, debunking the Western lie. But something needs to be done. So far nothing has been done.

    To win the ideological war, you must have an interested government in this and control the Russian media, the press and the education system.
    The Stalinist USSR was invulnerable to any hostile propaganda; any anti-Soviet propagandist would be crushed by the citizens themselves without the intervention of the NKVD. The country had patriotic media, the press, and education.
  34. Asgard
    Asgard 28 December 2013 14: 05
    +4
    The message of the article is understandable and I must say is close to each of us.

    But the implementation is not very, although it is written from the heart (from the heart)) when you write an article. must be accurate in everything, draw the right parallels...Well, for example -
    ..about social elevators ...
    ..and "Combine operator Gorbachev has grown to the secretary general, and the foreman Yeltsin - to the president of Russia." (cit.))
    This jarred many (I think)) and secretly everyone thought that it was better than such "elevators WAS NOT)))

    The postulate is that People are to blame and it is THEY who destroyed the USSR -THIS IS ANOTHER myth, which they try to impose on us AND YOU REPEAT IT ..... (tungus)))
    In general, on the C grade and only for the right views and promise ....

    Now about the general suffrage. The mentality of the People living in the Russian lands is such that we delegate our powers-to the SUPREME PERSON-to the Tsar, the General Secretary, the President, the Monarch (no difference))) expecting that the Tsar-Father will take care of us ... such a "construction" is embedded in the brain a person who speaks Russian ...
    If We would also know the Arabic language, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to create the CPSU and United Russia with the allocation of a part of society, there on some basis (well, for example, "lick"))))
    And there would be no drunkard Yeltsin among the rulers of his heir, nicknamed "mole" and then there would be no Gorbachev-Khrushchev ...
    There should be no SECRET ELECTORAL LAW, should be elected People in families and having children - the rest should be REFUSED in this DESERVED RIGHT ...no parties and "movements" - only Personalities.....
    There is such an institution. This is the Army, the defender of the Russian Land, the Order or "ORDA", she should be a counterbalance to the secular power. And she should not interfere in the leadership of the COUNTRY ... FOREVER, .... and If the policy of the "Monarch" leads to the collapse of the country, the Lands are surrendered under the invented treaties of Norway and China, In Russian companies the Americans are in charge (as an example, "Rosneft" and Jews have a pass to the Kremlin (BerLazar)) then such a monarch They should sentence well, for example, as a Korean "boy" of their Uncle)))) ... And Assign the following ELECTIONS .....
    There was such a period in the History of Russia, though the Khans there (Generals in our opinion)) for 300 years did not call for the election of a new Power but appointed (a label for reigning)) - I don’t know why they did it, but the 300-year-old Anarchy of Worldly Power ended in the Civil War.

    IMPORTANT to observe traditions. You break a small postulate, like one wrong movement and KHAN THE GREAT (Mughal-Old Slavonic)))) COUNTRIES


    E .....

    And the USSR We will take it along with the straits ....
    1. Black
      Black 28 December 2013 15: 29
      +2
      Quote: Asgard
      The mentality of the People living in the Russian lands is such that we delegate our powers-to the SUPREME PERSON-to the Tsar, the General Secretary, the President, the Monarch (no difference))) expecting that the Tsar-Father will take care of us ... such a "construction" is embedded in the brain a person who speaks Russian ...


      With all due respect to you and your position, it is most often personally close to me. You are one of those who "do not smear compote on the sky."
      Here I allow myself to disagree with you.
      There is nothing eternal, and in the mentality of the Russian hope for Batyushka, I believe, not either. Russian people are diverse, people are heterogeneous. Someone is absolutely apathetic to power and malleable, others (like their own Cossacks) treated the central government as a parallel universe ... we are different.
      To think that "Father-Tsar's thirst" is eternal and comes with mother's milk, it seems to me wrong. Our children who grew up in the New Time are completely different from us, they rely only on themselves.

      Quote: Asgard
      People are to blame and it is THEY who destroyed the USSR — THIS IS ANOTHER myth

      Precisely people, who else. But not ordinary people. The USSR fell at the hands of the top authorities. Most of them mutated from communists into "sabeshniks" and traitors.
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 28 December 2013 16: 51
        +2
        Oh, I’m running to the corporate gathering about Santa Claus (although Vova said that it shouldn’t be)))) but do not give a damn)))
        Then I will come answer))))))Happy personally !!!!! ALL !!!!! COMRADES !!!!
    2. S-200
      S-200 28 December 2013 23: 03
      +2
      Quote: Asgard
      And the USSR We will take it along with the straits ....

      it would of course ....
      and still it would not hurt for the participants of the "collective campaign" - a hundred captured Chinese each, and a couple of hundred hectares of Siberian or Far Eastern taiga winked
    3. corn
      corn 29 December 2013 00: 26
      +1
      Dear Asgard.
      Remember the history of Russia after Peter the Great, when the army intervened in politics and participated in palace coups, sometimes successfully, more often unsuccessfully for Russia,
      Ksati this was one of the reasons for the December events of 1825.
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 29 December 2013 18: 07
        0
        Quote: Chen
        There is nothing eternal, and in the mentality of the Russian hope for Batyushka, I believe, not either. Russian people are diverse, people are heterogeneous.

        % 5 is an active part of the people, natural Leaders, the rest prevails the hope for a Kind and Smart Leader-Although by mentality, WE are ALL INDIVIDUALISTS and we spit on the 5000 laws adopted by the "Gos Dura" -with the High Bell Tower))))
        These sportsmen-deputies, adopted more laws than the whole of Europe, during this time))) But unfortunately IT worsened our situation .. by the way, the "President" signed all THIS !!!!! So the hope for the Good Tsar will gradually die))) ))
        Here you disagree with me (but it is individual)) but in general you are familiar with the situation, and there are CHANGES ... Soon there will be RESULTS))))) VERY soon))
        Therefore, I am glad that there are Other points of view (different from mine)))) since there is no "wartime" yet ...
        I tolerate it, while)))))))

        Quote: corn
        Remember the history of Russia after Peter the Great, when the army intervened in politics and participated in palace coups, sometimes successfully, more often unsuccessfully for Russia

        The military needs to prescribe the RULES (Algorithm of actions)) since we are "military" -stupid, but decisive))))), and coups always ended BADLY, for one reason, there was no "algorithm" of what to do next with Power and the "crooks" were selected )))) There would be RULES-People would WELCOME-GUIDING ORDER ...... By the way, ORDER is in the Old Slayan-ORDER, hence the name of the army Horde, and Khans are generals (stupid and decisive))) they always have THERE IS a political will .... which the World Power (boyars) DOES NOT have) since Those are dependent on a multitude of "Conditions" behind which the "interests" of the enemies of the state always stand .... (if you objectively look at history)))
  35. sub307
    sub307 28 December 2013 14: 06
    +2
    Not everything is so simple: there was a lot of good in the USSR, but not everything is now either. And, in an ideological war - Russia seems inferior to its opponents. Although, again, not always and not in everything.
    1. Arhj
      Arhj 28 December 2013 17: 05
      +1
      any specialist must be trained, including a specialist in ideology. After the collapse of the USSR, all our specialists in scientific communism and other socialist disciplines, instead of planting a new ideology, were kicked out into the streets. One ideology, read the value system, was taken away, but the other was not given. We do not train specialists in ideology at all, and most of our graduate teachers sell telephones. Result - we took what the "good uncle" gave us.
      As in the joke "Stirlitz furtively fed German children. From this sneak, the children swelled and died."
  36. Sour
    Sour 28 December 2013 14: 27
    +1
    The work was strictly by profession.

    This is not true, and it is still mildly said.
    There were not just a lot of people working in the specialty, but a lot.
    The author either did not live in the USSR, or deliberately lies.
    Any worker had the opportunity to improve their education and grow to the director of the plant.

    The author forgot to add that without membership in the CPSU it was impossible not only to become the director of the plant, but also the head of the workshop. The head of the site, the foreman (in production), the company commander (in the army) - this is the ceiling for the non-partisan.
    In the USSR, any initiative person could enter the country's ruling elite

    The current ministers and governors also inherited power. They all came out of the people.
    State-owned companies today are the most effective. This is Rosneft, and “our everything”, “Gazprom”, and “VTB”, and “Sberbank”, and defense plants.

    This is a primitive lie, designed for incapable of thinking people.
    The profitability of Rosneft, Sberbank and Gazprom is based not on their state property, but on the specifics of their activities. It was still not enough that the oil and gas and banking sectors were unprofitable. Especially when you consider that Gazprom is a monopolist.
    The profitability of the defense industry is not a universal and relative thing.
    In short, a lot of primitive lies, designed for children.
  37. michajlo
    michajlo 28 December 2013 14: 29
    +3
    Good day to all!

    THANKS to the author of the article "tungus"!

    Yes, there are some inaccuracies and a generalization in it, but its MAIN MEANING that the USSR was a COUNTRY for the PEOPLE is present in it.

    If you are respected critics of the article, you yourself know how to write BETTER and MORE EXACTLY than the author of "tungus", so "a pen and keyboard in your hands."

    Another thing is that when discussing and exchanging opinions, we are enriching each other with knowledge and views on the problem from a different perspective.

    I myself was born in the Union, grew up, worked, got 2 FREE for FREE (one is stationary and the other is in absentia, in addition to work). Nowhere in the world now except Belarus, this has not been preserved!

    Now I have been living for 17 years in Slovakia "this as it is, rich and well-fed Europe" and I can say that the ZAMPOLITS, with all the blinkeredness of some of them, were FULLY RIGHT, warning us Soviet citizens from the beastly face of capitalism !!!

    Yes, capitalism is barbarism, where the LIE, the thirst for profit, personal well-being FOR ANOTHER'S ACCOUNT, the elevation of a handful of unprincipled liars and criminals over ordinary people have triumphed ...
    Yes, I’m just repeating the classics of Marxism-Leninism, but they turned out to be RIGHT again!

    And I see no reason to admire the way "new successful politicians and managers" say that for the sake of achieving THEIR personal success and well-being, THEY ARE READY FOR EVERYTHING! ???

    Even now, at the age of 53, I still say and act that in spite of everything, I am NOT READY and NOT HUNTING for money and prosperity FOR EVERYTHING!

    For me, there were and ARE firm boundaries and limitations that I will not go beyond, even if I have to die of hunger "in rich Europe".

    And it doesn’t bother me personally that for many young people or home Slovaks I’m an UNWELCOME, UNSUCCESSFUL and AGED foreigner, a Carpathian Rusyn.

    But I remember and respect my parents and ancestors in the second and third generation.


    And it’s good for us all to know the story.
    And not that "beautiful and corrected by the conquerors", but that REAL one.
    Just because only that true DIRTY and Smelly HISTORY is always repeated and not beautiful tales about it ...

    And for some reason I believe that after 5-8 years, all the peoples of the former USSR, having plenty of capitalist shit, will RECREATE themselves and renew our UNION, moreover, USSR-2 will be better than the first 70-year-old.

    And the people themselves will give them the true value and role of all current politicians and parkout shakers, and the PEOPLE'S ASSESSMENT is more important and more accurate for me than any orders and awards, not to mention the results of "regular polls".

    Good luck to you all!
  38. Black
    Black 28 December 2013 14: 52
    -1
    In my opinion, we are nostalgic for the USSR for a simple reason - Russia (with its independence for some reason) has not become a country for the people, the state serves the interests of big capital, rampant corruption, UNJUSTICE of the judicial system ,,,, a lot of things.
    But even this is not the reason to paint life in the USSR with pink glasses. I read, and the impression that my grandfathers, parents and I myself lived in another country, the country of FREEDOM, FREEZE, and EQUALITY. This was not the case in the 30s or 70s. Hard work was. And my grandmother, having an experience of 50 years, had by the beginning of the 70s a pension of less than 10 rubles (on a collective farm), she had never been to the sea for anything that was in Hawaii.

    Quote: Christian
    USSR collapsed our enemies


    There is nothing to kick in the mirror ... We ourselves have ruined it. Uncle strangers did not come.
    1. voliador
      voliador 28 December 2013 22: 09
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      Uncles did not come - they from far away suggested what to do. Any bald spotted scum. am
  39. Boris63
    Boris63 28 December 2013 15: 28
    -1
    I, like all the site's fans, was born and raised in the USSR, but I don't want to "go back" NOT IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. I have not seen great happiness for myself and my family. And the silence on the history of the country did not give "love", because I learned the main thing not from the office. sources, but from the lips of friends and relatives (as well as from once published, but then forbidden books, there was such an opportunity, including itself. published). And such insinuations with history, in the early to mid-70s, still a boy, introduced me to a stupor, and if we also add "village upbringing," then "finally seams" (when a collective farmer (without a passport) had to get permission to go somewhere ( certificate, passport) for a short trip to the city, and I'm not even talking about their pensions of that period). In the end, the main part of the "village" escaped, seemingly from a GOOD life. While serving in the army, for a whole year 83-84, the commanders called me anti-Soviet (of course, among themselves).
    Now, I am not rich as then, but I lived. there is an area for me and for children. Children study in institutes for free (they passed the exams well and did not pursue "prestigious" professions). About lived. square, then in the USSR so that she remained in the "family" would have to act semi-legal methods and, as always, bribes, now just an inheritance.
    I'm ready for the minuses, but think about whether you live so badly now, so that you long for "the past." Maybe everything is simple - younger, the grass is greener, the plans are huge. And now - older and youth calls.
    1. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 28 December 2013 15: 41
      +4
      Quote: Boris63
      Ready for the cons,

      Are you a man or not? fool
  40. Criceta
    Criceta 28 December 2013 15: 32
    0
    Again another slogan article. A set of unfounded allegations, which the author is trying to call facts, but they cannot be such. All the tales set forth in the article can be told to those who were born after the 90s and didn’t read and study history very carefully, in short - an article for young losers can peck ...
    I lived in the USSR, before its collapse, for 18 years and I can say that all the "myths about the USSR" that the author is famously trying to debunk are to one degree or another TRUE (usually to a greater extent).
    So the article is a well-deserved minus.
    An article for nostalgic veterans of special distributors.
    An article for a gullible shkolota who believes nostalgic veterans of special distributors.
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 December 2013 10: 30
      +1
      Quote: Сriceta
      I lived in the USSR, before its collapse, for 18 years and I can say that all the "myths about the USSR" that the author is famously trying to debunk are to one degree or another TRUE
      This is from the area - a glass half EMPTY or half FULL. It all depends on the person, for you this glass is EMPTY, but for others it is FULL ...
  41. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 28 December 2013 15: 46
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    Everything is written correctly in the article, I myself can add many impressive examples. I am nostalgic, but I do not want to return to this country. This country spent half of its budget on supporting the pants of the countries of the socialist camp and countries that have embarked on the path of social development. Instead of directing it to civilian industries. This country could not decide at once to deal with the housing problem, just give people 10 acres under the squatter, no, even on these miraculously inherited acres, it tried to control so that instead of a house of the third type, a second type would not be built (many apparently are not even in the subject of this phenomenon). This country waged a Cold War with its only geopolitical ally - China. In this country, the ruling (or party) elite is rotten to the core. And when the question of half a century ago, "Soviets without communists," was supposed to be on the agenda, they simply plundered whoever reached out and fled. Remember, there were six drunken dudes against Gorbachev and nobody else. When Zyuganov first asked the party to take to the streets, I went to the city center and was the only one there. There was no need to destroy that country, it itself, like the Titanic, flew into the abyss. By the way, the Americans themselves were most surprised. Return to that country to crash once more. My only regret is that Semichastny did not succeed.
  42. Sour
    Sour 28 December 2013 16: 05
    +4
    Quote: Boris63
    I, like all the site’s poets, was born and raised in the USSR,

    You should not think so.
    It is full of shkolota, inflating its age.
    There are those who pretend to remember Soviet times and even then received higher education. But the boyish way of expressing thoughts, plus grammatical errors betray shkolota in them. About Soviet times, they sing from other people's words, this is noticeable. Here it is the little things that are most important.
  43. Stanislas
    Stanislas 28 December 2013 16: 11
    +2
    I put "+" on the author for work in the right direction. The propaganda article calls for a move away from rabid capitalism in the direction of socialism. I agree that it is necessary to move away from unlimited privatization, but not to complete nationalization, but to a mixed and dynamic form of socialization-privatization of the means of production. In addition, a national idea and state ideology are needed. But "Back in the USSR" is an overwritten song. This pearl especially smiled:
    In the USSR, any initiative person could enter the country's ruling elite
    I would like to clarify that in the 70-80s. (previously it was not possible to observe) except for the initiative and lack of one’s own point of view, this person urgently needed full and warm lips, because his bosses didn’t like if they kissed him with thin, cold lips.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 28 December 2013 18: 46
      0
      In the years 70-80, the party elite was already rotting to the fullest. I remember all these posts, the false pathos of the congresses of the CPSU, endless lines and blat. By pulling it was possible to get comfortable, get something, get an apartment, arrange profitable children. The country has already rolled into the abyss. And it did not allow her to fall rapidly there, only the inheritance that Stalin left her. In districts, cities and regions, where he was still led by like-minded people, there was a Soviet Union about which they miss. In the same districts, cities, and regions where the Khrushchevites won, no one wants to return to this USSR. Unfortunately, every year there were more and more Khrushchevites, and then Gorbachevites, and less and less Stalinists. And when the mass of scum in power exceeded the critical USSR collapsed. Those who believe that the USSR itself collapsed are mistaken. There is plenty of evidence that the main violin was played all the same by foreign intelligence services. They paid, and they ordered.
  44. Arhj
    Arhj 28 December 2013 16: 49
    0
    The main thing that was in the USSR was the unity of the nation. We thought the same, we thought the same. In the USSR, the word Motherland was written with a capital letter. The national idea was love for the Motherland, and the main pronoun was "we". Now we want the Motherland to love us and completely forget that love is a mutual feeling.
  45. nikcris
    nikcris 28 December 2013 17: 00
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    Quote: bairat
    Quote: Z.O.V.
    And who needs a passport? Do you don’t know what your name is and where you live without a passport? Do you not understand that a free person does not need a passport? What do you look at your passport as a certificate of release from prison?

    You piled classics here, everything was much more prosaic: without a passport the collective farmer could not leave for the city, the police were looking for such fugitives.

    You still have not left the place? It's good.
    My collective farmers left the village. Almost all. Even before I was born. And I was born a very long time ago.
    You probably do not know that a passport was given for 10 years. And he was not red, but green.
  46. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian 28 December 2013 17: 04
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    By the way, someone nebud noticed that Khrushchev and Gorbachev came from the southern lands, precisely from the side from where the Pechenegs raided and other scum.

    And if you read the story about the same Pechenegs who have nothing to do with either the Mongols, or the Chinese, or the Kazakhs, or the Caucasians - then the first thing they did was destroy it and brutally kill the male population, not sparing even the children raped women.

    In short, they destroyed the spirit of the people, no worse than Hitler's Germany and the Kwantung Army of Japan, at the time of the Catholic Inquisition or Saul, Judas of the Pharisees, high priests, burning foretellers at the stake like Giorgiano Bruno and Capernica.

    PiES:
    By the way, if you think outside the Masonic box of thinking, the code is A.S. Pushkin can be thought of as the construction of an alchemy machine by Leonard from the Hudson Hawk to change the formula of chemical elements in the table of the legendary Russian scientist-chemist Mendeleev, to instill distrust of his war horse in Prince Oleg, then turn him into a skull, and then, in the year of the snake, push Prince Oleg onto the skull of his horse to be killed, the snake living there. Well, the year of Horse is not for us anymore, we already know what Chernobog means. Sex of the country was infected by radiation.

    Here is the script for hitting the great Khazars, where are the Japanese bunks at the window itself, and where then is St. Petersburg, I want to ask? The Finns?

    By the way, Tom Hardy from "at a distance of a blow" to the footnotes is not suitable for Jean Reno from the movie "Leon". Still, Stalin was a good business manager, and Trotsky was a commander. It is a pity that the black cat ran between them.

    By the way, if the sailors read my comment, you can tell, in the picture in the emblem of the US Security, the ship is painted with a tank or stern to us. Interestingly, are these two eagles sent to their own eagles, or is the United States attacking the United States? It’s just not mathematics, but mathiasantics! By the way, how much are the heads of terrorists on the black market now?
    1. Criceta
      Criceta 28 December 2013 20: 26
      +1
      Konstantin, what did you smoke?
  47. nikcris
    nikcris 28 December 2013 17: 07
    +2
    Quote: Boris63
    I, like all the site's fans, was born and raised in the USSR, but I don't want to "go back" NOT IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. I have not seen great happiness for myself and my family. And the silence on the history of the country did not give "love", because I learned the main thing not from the office. sources, but from the lips of friends and relatives (as well as from once published, but then forbidden books, there was such an opportunity, including itself. published). And such insinuations with history, in the early to mid-70s, still a boy, introduced me to a stupor, and if we also add "village upbringing," then "finally seams" (when a collective farmer (without a passport) had to get permission to go somewhere ( certificate, passport) for a short trip to the city, and I'm not even talking about their pensions of that period). In the end, the main part of the "village" escaped, seemingly from a GOOD life. While serving in the army, for a whole year 83-84, the commanders called me anti-Soviet (of course, among themselves).
    Now, I am not rich as then, but I lived. there is an area for me and for children. Children study in institutes for free (they passed the exams well and did not pursue "prestigious" professions). About lived. square, then in the USSR so that she remained in the "family" would have to act semi-legal methods and, as always, bribes, now just an inheritance.
    I'm ready for the minuses, but think about whether you live so badly now, so that you long for "the past." Maybe everything is simple - younger, the grass is greener, the plans are huge. And now - older and youth calls.

    Don't you know the word "logic"?
    And it doesn’t fit - serfs, every single one, was faded into the city without passports.
    Ps You were not called the Anti-Advisor correctly - you are the progenitor of Bulk. Agree - this is somewhat different.
    1. Boris63
      Boris63 28 December 2013 18: 24
      -1
      Everyone began to "shed" into the city at the end of the 50s, when the collective farmers were just given passports, before that they left as youngsters to whom the passports were not yet put (but again, even such a departure was "approved"). There was another stream, but this was in the late 20s and early 30s, after which the passport was not given to the collective farmers.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 18: 29
        0
        Quote: Boris63
        Everyone began to "shed" into the city in the late 50s, when the collective farmers were given passports.

        you will probably be surprised but the collective farmers got their passports in their hands at the last call of the change of this document at 74
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      3. CALL.
        CALL. 28 December 2013 19: 04
        +2
        But what about the period of industrialization. In 10 years, hundreds of cities and thousands of factories have been built. Apartments have been built in the cities for the workers of these plants, and this is no less than 60 million people. These are the 60 million that, as a result of collectivization, were freed from the village. With the availability of equipment, collective farms with fewer workers worked more land and received more bread and agricultural products.
        I anticipate objections about the Gulag and the Holodomor. I'll write about them tomorrow, but now it's time to sleep.
      4. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 28 December 2013 20: 26
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        Quote: Boris63
        Everyone began to "shed" into the city at the end of the 50s, when the collective farmers were just given passports, before that they left as youngsters to whom the passports were not yet put (but again, even such a departure was "approved"). There was another stream, but this was in the late 20s and early 30s, after which the passport was not given to the collective farmers.

        Before the 1933 year in the USSR, no one had passports, not even Comrade Stalin.
        The certification began in 1932 was slow, by region, regardless of the social status of citizens. Before the war, workers and engineers in many areas, too, did not all have passports, and the military did not have passports at all.
        The lack of a passport did not affect the possibility of moving around the country, tickets for all types of transport were sold without any passports.
        After the war, certification was almost completed, for collective farmers who did not have passports, it was not possible to register in the city, and without a residence permit they were not accepted for work. In cities it was possible to register only with a living space, if you had at least 100 passports without a living space, they would not be registered and would not be hired.
        People traveled to the cities mainly because of a lack of work and earnings in the village, after the mass mechanization of agricultural work, one tractor replaced several dozen people.
        The profane who have never worked on collective farms are screaming about the disempowerment of passportless collective farmers.
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  48. nikcris
    nikcris 28 December 2013 17: 32
    +2
    I have a few questions for creacles who know English but don’t know why they write in space in pencil.
    1. What for do you need passports with universal freedom? Bl !!! It makes me angry that creacles do not know that passports were introduced in Moscow and St. Petersburg to combat parasitism and, after that, crime.
    2. Under Stalin, forest belts were planted along all the steppe roads. Along the few new roads in such areas, there is nothing like it. Why?
    3. Why did the scientist-worker under Stalin not buy meat for more than a couple of days? At the same time - Why the collective farmer ate meat in sufficient quantities, but rarely.
    4. and so on and so forth ....
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 28 December 2013 20: 35
      0
      Quote: nikcris
      Why did the scientist-worker under Stalin not buy meat for more than a couple of days? At the same time - Why the collective farmer ate meat in sufficient quantities, but rarely. 4. etc....

      Not only under Stalin, but also in the 50-60-70 years. Refrigerators were rare, and meat was constantly in stores and in the market. At the beginning of the 70, I studied at a university in Perm there were no problems with meat products, sausages were not bought with loaves, but at 100-200 g, since the shelf life of cooked sausage was 3 days.
      Farmers in the summer fed livestock on pastures, and slaughter began only with the onset of frost. This order has been in Russia for thousands of years.
      During mowing and other heavy agricultural work, chickens were cut.
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  49. tomich
    tomich 28 December 2013 18: 07
    +1
    In the USSR, everyone was equal. In the USSR, a person of any nationality could reach any heights. But in the West - no.
    There was no equality then, no now, no need to carry nonsense.
    Another question is that in the USSR it was possible to go along the party line and achieve certain success, while in the West there is still a system of social elevators, in modern Russia it is not. If you do not steal and do not enter into a certain circle of people, then you will not have anything. Take a mortgage for the rest of your life in the socket and be happy.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 18: 31
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      Quote: tomich
      another question is that in the USSR it was possible to go along the party line and achieve some success

      and what is necessary on the party line ?!
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  50. nikcris
    nikcris 28 December 2013 18: 13
    -2
    Since there is no answer from Fox, and it was not intended, I will answer for myself.
    I answered the first one in the top message.
    2. Therefore, it’s not possible for the new rulers to raise their grandmother today. And then schoolchildren did it for nothing and it was, a priori, impossible to cut dough from them. But today you can watch live, as the guys from the former Shoigu department deliver hot tea to truckers. On this and saw.
    3. In the city in the winter, dumplings were stored in bag-bags behind a window leaf. For another reason, the collective farmer could not cut off a live pig’s foot once a week in the summer.
    4. and so on and so
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 18: 33
      0
      Quote: nikcris
      the city in the winter stocked dumplings in string bags behind the window. For another reason, the collective farmer could not cut off a live pig’s foot once a week in the summer.

      ?????
      I didn’t understand what the dumplings, pig’s legs are, and why the first ones are necessarily in the bag outside the window, and the pig needs to be cut in parts?
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 18: 33
      0
      Quote: nikcris
      the city in the winter stocked dumplings in string bags behind the window. For another reason, the collective farmer could not cut off a live pig’s foot once a week in the summer.

      ?????
      I didn’t understand what the dumplings, pig’s legs are, and why the first ones are necessarily in the bag outside the window, and the pig needs to be cut in parts?
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 28 December 2013 18: 59
        -4
        Apparently, you are the person who went on a multi-day hike with fresh fish.
        Well, te, kreak, not taking salt.
        PS I separately, FOR THE DULL, let me remind you that the "Saratov" refrigerators did not hold more than a couple of kilos in the freezer. And those not many were under Stalin-Khrushchev.
        Shkolota anneals, bl))) They do not like string bags outside the window.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 19: 07
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          Quote: nikcris
          separately, for stupid

          we had 2 refrigerators
          Quote: nikcris
          Shkolota anneals

          Well, actually it’s already over 40, but about 2 kilos do not tell
          Quote: nikcris
          Avoski they do not like outside the window

          you learn to read well, or at least understand what you read
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 28 December 2013 19: 07
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          Quote: nikcris
          separately, for stupid

          we had 2 refrigerators
          Quote: nikcris
          Shkolota anneals

          Well, actually it’s already over 40, but about 2 kilos do not tell
          Quote: nikcris
          Avoski they do not like outside the window

          you learn to read well, or at least understand what you read