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Battle of history

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History is one of the most important sciences, as it forms in man a real picture of the world. That is why in the West, and in the East, they pay so much attention to history and its rewriting in their favor, the formation of historical myths. So, literally before our eyes, there was a rewriting of the history of the Second World War, where the main actors were Anglo-American soldiers, military leaders and politicians, and Stalin and Hitler, the USSR and the Third Reich were put on a par with the main sources of war. As a result, the true instigators and instigators of the world slaughter — financial international, the United States and England — not only remained in the shadows, but acted as “good” and winners.


History is one of the most important tools for managing society. It allows you to make white black and vice versa. At the same time, historical myths make it possible to divide society so that it loses unity and power. So, with the help of negative myths, Russian society was divided. Some are supporters of “New Russia”: they say, before that there were only “scoops” and peasants oppressed by tsarism, and people got “freedom” only from the year 1991. Others believe that the USSR was the ideal state. And they are divided into "Stalinists" and supporters of the late USSR - the "era of stagnation". Still others idealize the Russian empire and the Romanov dynasty, sing fairy tales about "Russia that we lost." The fourth remembers the “golden age” of the times of pagan Russia. As a result, society is divided into warring groups, each has its own heroes and anti-heroes, arguments and counterarguments. So, for some, Stalin is a hero, but for others - a “bloody butcher.” For some, Emperor Nicholas II is a worthless ruler, for others - a holy and great statesman.

A single positive myth, a canon that would rally society, make it one, does not exist. There is no integral picture uniting the history of Russia from the times of the Scythian empire to the present day, which allows you to form a patriot who loves and knows both Slavic mythology and epics, and heroes of World War II, the war in Afghanistan and Chechnya. A whole person who would not divide the history of the Fatherland into periods hostile to each other, the history of the Fatherland does not form.

Moreover, various ruling elite groups are constantly creating "their" history. After the baptism of Rus, a whole layer of the history of Pagan Rus was actually destroyed. Another change occurred during the change of the dynasty, when the Romanovs gained power. This became especially noticeable under Peter I and the subsequent rulers, when Lomonosov almost single-handedly had to defend the history of the Russian people. The concept of continuous and many thousands of years of the existence of a superethnos Rus in the territory of Northern Eurasia and the continuity of the main spiritual, mental, cultural, military traditions from the times of the Scythians and Sarmatians to the Rus Svyatoslav and Alexander Nevsky went underground. The official information field was "occupied" by the Western concept, according to which the wild Slavs were civilized by the Swedes-Varangians and Germans. In general, this concept prevails to the present days. Russia-Russia is not a distinctive, separate civilization, the successor of the ancient northern empire, civilization, but “raped” by the East by the outskirts of Western (European) civilization.

After the 1917 revolution, the Trotskyist internationalists went even further and generally wanted to destroy the history and culture of the "accursed tsarist", along with Pushkin, Lermontov Tolstoy, Suvorov, Ushakov and Kutuzov. Thank God, Stalin “cleaned up” these possessed persons, along with them their concept of culture and history of Russia was destroyed. Under Stalin began to form a positive historical myth. To make sure of this, it is enough to recall the historical film masterpieces of that period. However, in the late USSR, this trend, along with other “Stalinist excesses,” was largely destroyed. Although some masterpieces bringing up “Russianness” appeared even then (“Finist - Clear Falcon” 1975 of the Year, “Russia Primordial” 1985 of the Year). But this was no longer a systematic approach, but an asceticism of individuals.

In the Russian Federation, the ideological heirs of the Trotskyists took revenge and embarked on a "reform" of history. In the modern system of school history education, the liberals, and the “Trotskyists” lurking under their mask, continue to develop the concept of the inferiority of Russian civilization, based on it, the whole history of the Fatherland is being shaped. From this concept follows a whole bunch of Russophobic inherently myths. So, in their opinion, Russia is the periphery of world civilization, where only echoes of epochal events and discoveries reached. Peripherality determines the "catching up" nature of the economy, the backwardness of science, technology, culture and education. Russia, on the basis of these views, is a flawed appendage of world civilization.

Naturally, with such a view, there is no place for positive myths that should explain to the younger generation what is good and bad, who is the enemy, to show the heroes you need to focus on. The story turns into a meaningless set of facts that do not have a positive or negative evaluation. It is even worse than the “romantic” view of history, where great historical personalities, heroes, or the Marxist approach, with its socio-economic formations, technological development, decide everything.

Even about the Late Period (1945-1953), it is said that "the Soviet Union was generally in line with global processes, but (due to the conservatism of political institutions) could not find an adequate answer to them." This is frank stupidity and deception. The Stalinist USSR itself set the development vector for all of humanity and a significant part of humanity joined it, the other part looked at the Soviet experience with attention and sympathy. The USSR was then the flagship of humanity, and did not reproduce the experience of the West. "Did not find the answer." And the lightning-fast economic recovery, the preservation of the rapid pace of development of the national economy, the nuclear project! Under Stalin, they even created a financial alternative to the dollar system. The authors do not understand that the USSR was a whole universe that made an unprecedented breakthrough in history and showed to humanity its vitality, competitiveness and advantage (one victory over the Third Reich of all Europe - this proves) of a fundamentally new Soviet model of the social system, society of creation and service to the Motherland .

Absolutely true noted Ph.D. Vitaly Averyanov: “In the concept prepared under the guidance of our academicians, neither interconnection, nor continuity, nor the logical core of teaching history in school - we will not see any of this.” Instead of respecting the past, excessive caution and cutting out entire pages of history when the most important events and victories of Russia like the Sinop battle fall out.

There are also substitutions like the absence of the Great October Socialist Revolution, which was united with the February Revolution. As a result, the separate October Revolution was transformed by a stroke of the pen from “the great” and “socialist” to the continuation of the “Great Russian Revolution”, launched in February of the 1917 year. The October Revolution became the stage of the “Great Russian Revolution”. However, this is not only a mistake, but also a forgery (deception). The February coup, when the western “elite” overthrew the autocracy and created the puppet Provisional Government, was united with the revolution that led to the domination of the socialist model in Russia.

The Great October Socialist Revolution was precisely “the Great”, as it eventually gave rise to a new society and a new civilization — the Soviet civilization. It was an unprecedented fact in history. In addition, the connection to the “one bottle” of the “Great Russian Revolution” of three separate events and periods of history is surprising: the February revolution and the October Revolution, the Civil War. February and October are events completely antagonistic in nature. February is a classic bourgeois coup, the work of groups of elite conspirators who dreamed of rebuilding Russia along the lines of France or England. Civil war is a whole period of history, filled with a mass of large-scale events.

It should be noted that the idea of ​​creating a single standard, a canon in history is an extremely important and serious step. History, as noted above, is the most important part of the informational, ideological confrontation. This is a key information weaponwhich allows to bring up generation after generation, to shape the future. Creating a single positive mythology, the patriotic canon, will allow you to form a single information field that translates images of the past to people. The negative effect, when people have been living in the chaos of tolerant and pluralistic opinions and assessments for more than a decade, is already obvious. Suffice it to recall freaks telling the Eternal Flame, or dancing around him. Lost entire generations, which brought up on the examples of spidermen, Batman, degenerative pop culture. It is obvious that within this degenerative chaos, customers and owners of a significant part of the media and popular culture, structures and people far from patriotism and often playing on the side of the enemies of Russia set the tone. The fight against "cosmopolitan" under Stalin was not conducted from scratch, it was a very serious matter.

It is enough to remember who opposes the very idea of ​​a single history textbook. This is the Committee of Civil Initiatives, which is headed by Kudrin, the person through whom the country's economy continues to evolve (more precisely, collapse). The same Committee includes such well-known faces Gozman, Gontmakher, Svanidze and Yurgens. They said that a single textbook does not correspond to modernity, and in the XXI century there are no longer and cannot be carriers of "ultimate truth", therefore such a textbook will cause a split in society.

Given the dominance in the Russian political, economic and educational circles of the carriers of the Western mentality, with a single standard, it turned out, as in the well-known expression “we wanted the best, but it turned out as always.” For the authors of the concept there are no alternatives, there are only European standards, Russia with delays reproduced all the main trends of the West. Continuous borrowing and repetition. The concept of a single national history textbook does not reflect the “Russian project” (Russian alternative to the West), with its rather harmonious integration of lands, nationalities and cultures, without genocide and parasitic colonialism of other world empires. The leading role of the super-ethnos Rus in the creation and preservation of Russian civilization and Russian statehood is not reflected.

The Westernist party in Russia, the heirs of the February lists, the Trotskyists, cosmopolitans, the sixties, dissidents, perestroika, de-Stalinizers and human rights defenders, once again pulls through the liberal scheme of history. Mentioning patriotism, they immediately talk about tolerance. The concept explicitly states tolerance in relations between nations and states. It seems that if our ancestors were brought up in the spirit of tolerance, we now simply would not exist. Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers clearly knew where the line between good and evil, therefore, created a unique Russian imperial system.
TOLERASTIC PATRIOTISM

Report from the meeting of the Izborsk club on the theme of the new concept of the educational standard for the domestic storiesdeveloped by the Russian Historical Society (RIO). Discussion participants: Mikhail Delyagin, Andrei Fursov, Maxim Kalashnikov, Vitaly Averyanov, Alexander Prokhanov, Vladimir Khomyakov.

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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 30 December 2013 08: 53
    +29
    Good article, plus with pleasure. good
    1. A.YARY
      A.YARY 30 December 2013 09: 41
      +26
      Similarly, Eugene.

      Tolerance - is the complete inability of the body to fight the disease.medical fact
      AIDS injects modern "education" into the souls of our children, and individuals will grow out of them, ready for "infection".
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 30 December 2013 10: 33
        +21
        Quote: A.YARY
        AIDS injects modern "education" into the souls of our children, and individuals will grow out of them, ready for "infection".


        And it always starts with a story. Therefore, I am for the Unified History Textbook, for the events in the country and in the world set forth in it should be written by the patriots of their country, and not by information terrorists, who already with the help of Comrade Soros have laid several such landmines in the heads of the younger generation.
        1. Tartary
          Tartary 30 December 2013 14: 01
          +8
          Quote: sledgehammer102
          Quote: A.YARY
          AIDS injects modern "education" into the souls of our children, and individuals will grow out of them, ready for "infection".


          And it always starts with a story. Therefore, I am for the Unified History Textbook, for the events in the country and in the world set forth in it should be written by the patriots of their country, and not by information terrorists, who already with the help of Comrade Soros have laid several such landmines in the heads of the younger generation.


          Cool demotivator!
          I also have the flag of the adversary ... and by the way, very good quality ...
          I ordered and store for the purpose of visual aid at a time when there will be no victim nearby ... - I will give it in good FIRE hands, free of charge ...)))
    2. voldmis
      voldmis 30 December 2013 12: 01
      +7
      He who rules the past rules the future. He who rules the present rules the past. - D. Orwell


      Our children must learn the right story ...
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 1 January 2014 13: 17
        +6
        Quote: voldmis
        Our children must learn the right story ...

        Rewriting history into a new form is an element of the information war and it takes place in the West primarily because we allow them ourselves! But in this matter we can find a bunch of allies in the world. For example, Israel will never agree to rewrite history regarding the humanity of the Nazis. Or Poland itself will never recognize Shukhevych and Bandera as fighters for the freedom of the Ukrainian people!
        But at the moment we are all looking at jo ... the West and we are following the liberals!
        1. Clegg
          Clegg 4 January 2014 13: 00
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          Or Poland itself will never recognize Shukhevych and Bandera as fighters for the freedom of the Ukrainian people!

          From the fact that the Poles recognize or not, the attitude of Ukrainians towards their heroes will not change.
        2. PValery53
          PValery53 8 January 2014 22: 24
          0
          And why on earth are we "running on equal terms" with these same "liberals"? - They are the complete waste (moral) of our society, and "zapadlo" lisp with him. - They must be completely ignored (bend over) !!
    3. Sakmagon
      Sakmagon 30 December 2013 17: 58
      +19
      plus with pleasure ..

      Who remembers the old - that eye is over,
      And whoever forgets - both!
    4. Horde
      Horde 30 December 2013 21: 53
      +13
      After the baptism of Rus, a whole layer of the history of Pagan Rus was actually destroyed. Another turning point occurred during the change of dynasty, when the Romanovs took power. This became especially noticeable under Peter I and subsequent rulers, when Lomonosov almost alone had to defend the history of the Russian people.


      already cited this data, for those who have not seen again

      Thoughtfully reading a set of shameless tales called "The History of Russia", in some cases you want to shout "The Author!", And in others - just look at him.

      Fortunately, reliable information about storytellers has been preserved.
      Now we will consistently list ALL HISTORIAN ACADEMICIANS of the Russian Academy of Sciences, both foreigners and domestic, from its founding in 1724 until 1918.

      For each academician, the year of election is indicated.

      1) Kohl Peter or Johann Peter (Kohl Johann Peter), 1725,
      2) Miller or Muller Fedor Ivanovich or Gerard Friedrich (Mu »ller Gerard Friedrich), 1725,
      3) Bayer Gottlieb or Theophil Siegfried (Bayer Gottlieb or Theophil Siegfried), 1725,
      4) Fischer Johann Eberhard (Fischer Johann Eberhard), 1732,
      5) Cramer Adolf Bernhard, 1732,
      6) Lotter Johann Georg (Lotter Johann Georg), 1733,
      7) Leroy Louis or Pierre-Louis (Le Roy Pierre-Louis), 1735,
      8) Merling Georg (Moerling or Mo »rling Georg), 1736,
      9) Brem or Brahme Johann Friedrich (Brehm or Brehme Johann Friedrich), 1737,
      10) Taubert Ivan Ivanovich or Johann Caspar (Taubert Johann Caspar), 1738,
      11) Crusius Christian Gottfried, 1740,
      * 12) Lomonosov Mikhail Vasilievich, 1742,
      13) Moderach Karl Friedrich (Moderach Karl Friedrich), 1749,
      14) Schlozer August Ludwig (Schlo »zer Auguste Ludwig), 1762,
      15) Stritter or Stritter Ivan Mikhailovich or Johann Gotthilf (Stritter Johann Gotthilf), 1779,
      16) Hackmann Johann Friedrich (Hackmann Johann Friedrich), 1782,
      17) Busse Fomich or Johann Heinrich (Busse Johann Heinrich), 1795,
      18) Vauvilliers Jean-Francois, 1798,
      19) Klaprot Heinrich Julius or Julius (Klaproth Heinrich Julius), 1804,
      20) Herman Karl Fedorovich or Karl Gotlob Melchior or Karl Theodore (Hermann Karl Gottlob Melchior or Karl Theodore), 1805,
      21) Circle Philip Ivanovich or Johann Philipp (Krug Johann Philipp), 1805,
      22) Lerberg August or Aaron Christian (Lehrberg August Christian), 1807,
      23) Köhler Egor Egorovich or Heinrich Karl Ernst (Ko »ler Heinrich Karl Ernst), 1817,
      24) Fren Christian Danilovich or Christian Martin (Fra »hn Christian Martin), 1817,
      * 25) Yartsov Yanuari Osipovich, 1818,
      26) Grefe Fyodor Bogdanovich or Christian Friedrich (Gra »fe Christian Friedrich), 1820,
      27) Schmidt Jacob Ivanovich or Isaac Jacob (Schmidt Isaac Jacob), 1829,
      28) Schengen Andrei Mikhailovich or Johann Andreas (Sjo »rgen Johann Andreas), 1829,
      29) Sharmua Franz Frantsevich or Francois-Bernard (Charmoy Francois-Bernard), 1832,
      30) Fleischer Heinrich Lebrecht (Fleischer Heinrich Lebrecht), 1835,
      31) Lenz Robert Christianovich (Lenz Robert Christian), 1835,
      32) Brosset Mari Ivanovich or Marie-Felicite (Brosset Marie-Felicite '), 1836,
      * 33) Ustryalov Nikolay Gerasimovich, 1837,
      34) Dorn Boris Andreevich or Johann Albrecht Bernhard (Dorn Johann Albrecht Bernhard), 1839.
      1. Horde
        Horde 30 December 2013 21: 55
        +7
        Then the crucial elections of 1841 take place, starting from which at last domestic academic historians began to appear in a noticeable amount (but it was already too late):
        * 35) Arsenyev Konstantin Ivanovich, 1841,
        * 36) Berednikov Yakov Ivanovich, 1841,
        * 37) Borisov Ivan Alekseevich (Archbishop Innocent), 1841,
        * 38) Butkov Petr Grigorievich, 1841,
        * 39) Kachenovsky Mikhail Trofimovich, 1841,
        * 40) Pogodin Mikhail Petrovich, 1841,
        * 41) Stroyev Pavel Mikhailovich, 1841,
        42) Betlingk Otton or Otto Nikolaevich von (Bo »ehtlingk Otto von), 1842,
        43) Kunik Arist Aristovich or Ernst Eduard (Kunik Ernst Eduard), 1844,
        * 44) Korkunov Mikhail Andreevich, 1847,
        * 45) Kovalevsky Joseph or Osip Mikhailovich, 1847,
        46) Stephani Ludolph Eduardovich (Stephani Ludolph Eduard), 1850,
        47) Schifner Anton Antonovich or Franz Anton (Schiefner Franz Anton), 1852,
        48) Krehl Ludolf Adolf Christoph Erenfeld, 1855,
        * 49) Velyaminov-Zernov Vladimir Vladimirovich, 1858,
        50) Science August Karlovich or Johann August (Nauk Johann August), 1858,
        * 51) Pekarsky Petr Petrovich, 1863,
        * 52) Bychkov Afanasy Fedorovich, 1866,
        * 53) Soloviev Sergey Mikhailovich, 1872,
        * 54) Sukhomlinov Mikhail Ivanovich, 1872,
        55) Rosen Victor Romanovich, 1879,
        * 56) Kachalov Nikolay Vasilievich, 1883,
        * 57) Vasilyev Vasily Pavlovich, 1886,
        58) Zeleman Karl Germanovich or Carl Gustav Hermann (Salemann Carl Gustav Hermann), 1886,
        * 59) Dubrovin Nikolay Fedorovich, 1887,
        * 60) Nikitin Pyotr Vasilyevich, 1888,
        * 61) Maykov Leonid Nikolaevich, 1889,
        * 62) Vasilevsky Vasily Grigorievich, 1890,
        * 63) Bestuzhev-Ryumin Konstantin Nikolaevich, 1890,
        * 64) Tikhonravov Nikolay Savvich, 1890,
        65) Ernstedt Victor Karlovich, 1893,
        * 66) Latyshev Vasily Vasilyevich, 1893,
        * 67) Shakhmatov Alexey Alexandrovich, 1894,
        * 68) Yanzhul Ivan Ivanovich, 1895,
        * 60) Kondakov Nikodim Pavlovich, 1898,
        * 61) Zhdanov Ivan Nikolaevich, 1899,
        * 62) Lappo-Danilevsky Alexander Sergeevich, 1899,
        63) Lamansky Vladimir Ivanovich, 1900,
        * 64) Klyuchevsky Vasily Osipovich, 1900,
        * 65) Assumption Fedor Ivanovich, 1900,
        * 66) Golubinsky Evgeny Evstigneevich, 1903,
        * 67) Dyakonov Mikhail Alexandrovich, 1905,
        * 68) Dashkevich Nikolay Pavlovich, 1907,
        * 69) Istrin Vasily Mikhailovich, 1907,
        * 70) Kotlyarevsky Nestor Alexandrovich, 1909,
        * 71) Vinogradov Pavel Gavrilovich, 1914,
        * 72) Ikonnikov Vladimir Stepanovich, 1914,
        * 73) Peretz Vladimir Nikolaevich, 1914,
        * 74) Kovalevsky Maxim Maksimovich, 1914,
        * 75) Nikolsky Nikolai Konstantinovich, 1916,
        * 76) Palmov Ivan Savich, 1916,
        * 77) Rostovtsev Mikhail Ivanovich, 1917.
        1. Horde
          Horde 30 December 2013 21: 56
          +17
          and further

          This is followed by the post-revolutionary elections of 1918, in which we interrupt this list of academic historians.


          CONCLUSIONS.

          FOR MORE THAN A HUNDRED YEARS, THE NUMBER OF HISTORIANS OF FOREIGNERS ALMOST DOES NOT DIFFERENCE FROM A 100 PERCENT VALUE. For 117 years (more than a century!) In the Russian Academy of Sciences, from its founding in 1724 to 1841, THREE FOUR HISTORICAL ACADEMICIANS HAVE ALL THOUGHT THREE RUSSIAN ACADEMICIANS.

          This is M.V. Lomonosov, Ya.O. Yartsov and N.G. Ustryalov. ALL THE OTHER THIRTY ONE ACADEMICIANS WERE FOREIGNERS.

          Thus, up to the middle of the XNUMXth century, the share of foreign historians exceeded NINety percent in the Russian Academy!

          It turns out that for over a hundred years, foreigners have completely controlled the entire process of writing Russian history. It was the foreigners who uncontrollably decided which old Russian documents should be destroyed, which ones to rewrite, which ones to keep, which ones to falsify.

          As we can see, domestic historians were roughly exposed at the door, completely removed from the domestic archives and primary sources.

          Do you still believe that we have a true story ???
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          well said, HISTORICAL TRUTH IS NOT AND CAN'T BE ...
          1. CALL.
            CALL. 31 December 2013 19: 43
            +7
            [quote = Horde] THE HISTORICAL TRUTH IS NOT AND WILL NOT BE .. [/ quote
            Work is underway to write a single textbook of Russian history. The final version of the training course concept is now ready. The new textbook will not have the Mongol-Tatar yoke, instead of which the neutral term “dependence of the Russian lands on the Golden Horde” is introduced. The October Revolution is no longer recognized as "great" or "socialist", it is combined with the February Revolution into the "Great Russian".
            Also, students will not be told about the mass repression in the Soviet period and, accordingly, about the number of victims. But the positive results of the Soviet authorities in the context of the new economic policy and the rapid economic breakthrough of the first five-year plans will be noted.
            And yet, not in vain, We are all trying to find the truth. Do not believe someone who tells you that there is no truth. We are all carriers of it. This does not apply to trolls, agents of the State Department and graduates of the Echo of Moscow courses.
            1. Horde
              Horde 2 January 2014 09: 18
              +3
              Quote: Z.O.V.
              The new textbook will not have the Mongol-Tatar yoke, instead of which the neutral term “dependence of the Russian lands on the Golden Horde” is introduced.


              the so-called "new history textbook" is a lacquered, smoothed old textbook. But the terms have been replaced, but the fact remains. Efforts at topvo allow us to say that the amount of nonsense is off the charts. Somewhere in the European archives are documents from the times of the Golden Horde, on this basis our homebrew historians can not AT ALL ABOVE THIS FACT OF IGA. But, WHAT IS THAT for documents, WHAT SUCH facts are stated there? The way to these sources is closed. As it was always, only THE DEDICATED DOCUMENTS were admitted to the SPECIALLY SECRET DOCUMENTS and only OWN. It is necessary to think there, just the LATER FALSIFICATES are stored.
              The SYSTEM remained in place and did not move anywhere.
              1. ser86
                ser86 4 January 2014 21: 16
                -1
                the Tatar-Mongol yoke was removed after studying the genome of the Russian person, it turned out that the genome does not have genes of the prevailing Tatars genes
                the study also showed that Russians as an ethnic group are a mixture of several peoples, mainly the N1 gene - these are Finns and the R1a1 gene - these are Slavs
                Scientists have not found "pure" Russians only with the R1a1 gene
                R1a1 gene carriers came from the territory of modern Kazakhstan
                1. gardener
                  gardener 5 January 2014 16: 53
                  +1
                  I can not help but share my "discovery":
                  It was surprising to me, genetically Russian, to read this:
                  “... Russians are not Slavs, but only Russian-speaking Finns ...”
                  “... genetically Russians are not“ Eastern Slavs ”at all, but Finns ...”
                  So they write on the site:
                  Center of Lev Gumilyov
                  http://www.gumilev-center.ru/lico-russkojj-nacionalnosti/
              2. PValery53
                PValery53 8 January 2014 22: 41
                0
                Aha! - Modern falsifiers of history are "playing their tune again!" - In their imprisonment, dogs!
            2. heathen
              heathen 3 January 2014 17: 48
              +1
              Somewhere among all these names you have lost the outstanding Russian historians Karamzin and Tatishchev, although, in fairness it must be said that there was no second academician.
            3. Anper
              Anper 4 January 2014 11: 16
              +3
              Quote: Z.O.V.
              schoolchildren will not be told about mass repressions in the Soviet period

              For the entire time of existence of the CCA (NKVDshny triples) from 1934 to 1953 10 101 people were sentenced to deathThere is a lot of screaming memoirs around him because the OSS was engaged in a narrow circle of elite nomenklatura, and this audience showed itself in all its glory, especially in terms of "unjust" impoverishment and oppression.
              In the autumn of 1945, in the camps and colonies (a colony is a settlement where no one was infringed on rights and there were Komsomol, party and other organizations) GULAG 1,6 million prisoners were heldSolzhenitsyn, of course, distinguished himself in truthful information. But it’s time and honor to know - it’s time to read the historian V.N. Zemskov. And not only him.
              And as for the repressions, it’s like Democrat Roosevelt to ask how he treated American citizens of Japanese blood during the confrontation between the United States and Japan in World War II.
              1. stroporez
                stroporez 4 January 2014 20: 00
                +5
                Quote: Anper
                There is a lot of screeching memoir around him because the OSS was engaged in a narrow circle of the elite nomenklatura, and this audience showed itself in all its glory, especially in terms of "unfair" impoverishment and oppression.
                so I drew attention ...... who virizzhit like scalded pigs? the descendants of accidentally caught "under the rink" workers ????????? - NO !!!!!! the descendants of those who hanged and shot !!!! that's when they were hit at them - and the screeching began ... and one more remark - these bloody ghouls, the offspring seemed to be kapets loud ..........
          2. PValery53
            PValery53 8 January 2014 22: 35
            0
            "To dig up non-Russian historians and, having executed them, to bury them again (a joke with a grain of truth) - So that future" figures "will be discouraged in the future ...
      2. PValery53
        PValery53 8 January 2014 22: 29
        0
        Who invented these "chebureks" - the historians of Russia?! ..
    5. polkovnik manuch
      polkovnik manuch 2 January 2014 12: 01
      +7
      The article is very good! And timely !!! The trouble with Russian history was and is in one thing: the history of Russia (USSR) was and is being written even now under the rulers. We must not forget that every page of it, starting from the pagan period, was written with the blood of our ancestors, and therefore, schoolchildren should both all this to know! There will be a single history textbook! And the "Committee ...." can be dispersed, is it really difficult to find real experts on Russian history!
      1. CHILD
        CHILD 3 January 2014 21: 28
        +2
        quot; Committee .... "You can also disperse, is it really difficult to find real experts on Russian History! [/ quote]
        Who now knows the truth? Who to believe that? Or again we will write what is needed? And then who will determine what is needed?
    6. CHILD
      CHILD 3 January 2014 16: 03
      +3
      the article is good))))) this is not clear what to do ... we see the iceberg cap all the time)))) but what’s at the bottom? One can only guess .... but without this picture it doesn’t work, and how can I change the situation ? wait for someone to appear and resolve? something does not appear, besides, I think such people are probably searched and tracked ........
  2. vlad0
    vlad0 30 December 2013 09: 12
    +19
    The article is good. And again the question arises: when will the commander-in-chief say ENOUGH !!!! And the time will come to an end for those who want to rid the Russian people and Russia piece by piece to the West for American money. After all, the rewriting of our history, its "smearing", the leveling of great events and the rise of worthless, and sometimes treacherous - this is the first step and a direct path to the destruction of our people.
    1. assasyns
      assasyns 30 December 2013 10: 12
      +5
      never our commander-in-chief will say-ENOUGH. And if she tries to say, then immediately she will not be the commander-in-chief
      1. PValery53
        PValery53 8 January 2014 22: 48
        0
        Glavkoverh - Monster cursed!
    2. Sandov
      Sandov 30 December 2013 11: 01
      +13
      Quote: vlad0
      The article is good. And again the question arises: when will the commander-in-chief say ENOUGH !!!! And the time will come to an end for those who want to rid the Russian people and Russia piece by piece to the West for American money. After all, the rewriting of our history, its "smearing", the leveling of great events and the rise of worthless, and sometimes treacherous - this is the first step and a direct path to the destruction of our people.


      The destruction of our ancient history has been ongoing for a long time and systematically. Now it’s just physically difficult to restore it. A lot of time and money will be required. Nosovsky and Fomenko at least clarified our past.
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 30 December 2013 17: 11
        +11
        In the middle of the seventeenth century, the creation of Russian history (more precisely, of its version that is now considered generally accepted) was wholly and completely in the hands of foreigners, mainly Germans, Bayer, Miller, and Schloetzer. Miller is a Russian historiographer of German descent, a supporter of Norman theory, "a German falsifier of Russian history." It was no coincidence that Soloviev emphasized the German sounding of his last name: from the works of Soloviev there is a tradition of seeing the struggle of two trends in it in the history of Russian historical science: on the one hand, truly Russian, patriotic, represented by Lomonosov, Scherbatov, Boltin and other natural Russians, and on the other - alien, German, represented by German academics in Russian service, Bayer, Miller (Müller), Schlötzer and others. After the death of Lomonosov, the "creators of Russian history" - Miller and Schlötzer - nevertheless apparently got to the Lomonosov archive. After which these archives naturally disappeared. But, after a seven-year delay, it was finally published - and it is clear that under the complete control of Miller and Schlötzer - Lomonosov’s work on Russian history. And that is only the first volume. And the rest of the volume simply “disappeared”. Probably did not want to mess with them.
        It just so happened that the “work of Lomonosov on history” at our disposal today is in a strange and surprising way consistent with Millerovsky point of view on history. It’s even incomprehensible - why then did Lomonosov argue so violently and for so many years with Miller? Why did he accuse Miller of falsifying Russian history when he himself, in his published History, so obediently agrees with Miller on all points? Pleasantly assent to him in each of his lines.
        1. CALL.
          CALL. 30 December 2013 17: 29
          +3
          From the work of Lomonosov, “Ancient Russian History,” only the first volume has reached us. Manuscripts of volumes II and III were confiscated and disappeared without a trace.
        2. CALL.
          CALL. 30 December 2013 18: 23
          0
          Quote: Z.O.V.
          In the middle of the seventeenth century the creation of Russian history

          Sorry, in the middle of the XVIII century, of course.
        3. PValery53
          PValery53 8 January 2014 22: 52
          0
          It turns out that it is necessary to "get" from the history of this very Miller and slightly "zero" him ...
    3. voffchik7691
      voffchik7691 1 January 2014 15: 44
      +4
      Are you sure that the commander in chief is not sitting an American dough ?!
      Serdyukov destroyed the army for 6 years, but the commander-in-chief did not see anything and did not know!
  3. Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 30 December 2013 09: 17
    +13
    Be that as it may, any patriot of his country should treat his history with respect and respect and see only goodness in him. Otherwise, he is not a patriot at all.
    In the world, good and evil exist side by side, one or the other triumphs, but one thing is important - there are more good people. And this is evident in the history of Russia (namely, Russian).
    Take a look at World History from ancient times to the present day. Some nations appeared and disappeared, others remained, someone managed to be a power, others were under the wing of other nations, rulers succeeded one another, someone did evil, someone did good. It was the Russian people (and mine, too, after all, the Scythians of Saki are similar) that were not evil in their mass. Otherwise, God would not have saved such a people. The people were believers who worship the culture and life of their people, history and traditions, preserving the heritage of the ancestors. Just the descendants should remember this, be proud and go forward with their heads held high, doing good deeds, and God will surely prepare the blessed path.
    1. Astrey
      Astrey 30 December 2013 11: 23
      +1
      Unfortunately, the history goes in the link "National idea-national philosophy-national history". Without the prefix "national" (or "state") history loses CONTEXT. And it becomes a chronology.

      Is there a national idea?
    2. Trapperxnumx
      Trapperxnumx 30 December 2013 11: 39
      +8
      Quote: Max_Bauder
      Be that as it may, any patriot of his country should treat his history with respect and respect and see only goodness in him. Otherwise, he is not a patriot at all.

      Well said! Plus with pleasure. But, unfortunately, even on this site there are a lot of patriots, divided precisely along this line "such a period is good, but such and such is bad." When you sincerely love your country, then in all the rulers you begin to see first of all the good, while not closing your eyes to the shortcomings. Peter 1 brought the country to the cohort of European leaders, but he also launched all sorts of trash and rubbish into Russia. Ivan the Terrible created a single centralized Russian state, but at the end of his reign (as a result of long-term mercury etching, it is believed) he became excessively cruel and did not leave a viable heir. And so you can talk about each ruler. But the fact remains - they all served Russia to its glory and prosperity.
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 31 December 2013 11: 24
        +3
        Quote: Trapper7
        But the fact remains - they all served Russia to its glory and prosperity.


        Yes, the main thing to remember is this.
    3. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 31 December 2013 11: 54
      +17
      I would like to supplement the difference between Russians and Europeans, and other countries, so that descendants are proud.

      In Russia, there never was a Christian feud, during the adoption of Orthodoxy from the Byzantines, the Russians never divided into sects, moving away from God. In Europe there were persecutions of Puritans, brutal murders, tortures, the church turned into something fascist-sadistic, there was also no burning of witches in Russia. This suggests that the Russians were not so cruel.

      When conquering peoples, Europeans brutally destroyed them, especially the Spaniards and the British distinguished themselves by slaughtering, chopping, brutally killing the natives, they generally considered the conquered peoples as cattle, thanks to the British, slavery turned into an official economic regime from the time of Rome. Did the Russians do that? Did they put the guns of the rebels on the barrel, like the British sepoys. Did they cut the heads of all enemy soldiers, like Napoleon in Cairo, or the Turks always? Did mothers rip open their bellies and stab their babies with bayonets like the Japanese in China? or turned into slaves the inhabitants of Central Asia and the Caucasus? No.
      The conquered peoples, despite conquering them by the Russians, received a lot of pluses than minuses, and as you wanted, there will always be a minus, where you saw the country the winner does not make minuses, the fact is that the Russians made more pluses than minuses, for example if your country won them who He knows what kind of genocide your country would commit, I’m afraid, for example, the Chechens would destroy everyone besides themselves, and then they waged a clan struggle, there is no talk of planting culture and prosperity.

      Agree in the era of Russian conquest, or so to speak in the era of the formation of the Russian Empire, we all Asians and Caucasians have long been backward. The era of our culture passed after the opening of the sea route to India. For there is no trade - there is no economy.
      What could we offer Russians as an exchange of cultures ?? your own alphabet and scripture in the language of which no scientific research has been conducted? we had only a naked religion and a simple way of life. For the Golden Age of Islam, when mathematics was invented, passed in the 13th century with the advent of the Hulagu khan of the Mongol to the Abbasid caliphate. Science has become fashionable in the Muslim world, it has become fashionable to mess around and believe only the words of the mullah. The consequences we now see throughout the Arab and partially African world.

      Remember the USSR and the Great Patriotic War, because our grandfathers did not fight to rape European women, as the West is lying to us, but in order to free Europe from fascism. Our soldier (not only Russian, but all nations who fought there like brothers) will always remain a symbol of nobility and honor, kindness and justice.

      Summarizing all of the above, I want to remind once again the Russian descendants, you are the sons of the ancestors who fought only for good, you have united the countries, the Russians have a big mission, to prevent the spread of evil (west) throughout the world, no one except you (we are all small countries) can fulfill China? who knows what is on his mind, maybe there is already a demon.
      So I will only be glad to be related to you, and fight together against evil.
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 5 January 2014 18: 46
        0
        Quote: Max_Bauder
        Summarizing all of the above, I want to remind once again the Russian descendants, you are the sons of the ancestors who fought only for good, you have united the countries, the Russians have a big mission, to prevent the spread of evil (west) throughout the world, no one except you (we are all small countries) can to fulfill

        +++ I respect a balanced and righteous opinion. God willing, Great Tartaria will return.
      2. PValery53
        PValery53 8 January 2014 23: 02
        +1
        The Muslim said wisely.
    4. gardener
      gardener 3 January 2014 00: 01
      +1
      Here user Max_Bauder writes that, they say, “... Anyway, any patriot of his country should treat his story with respect and respect and see only goodness in him. Otherwise, he is not a patriot at all ... "

      It, men, of course, all of us are constantly accustomed to someone to be indebted and give thanks, give thanks, give thanks ... Native party, government, leaders ...

      Passed by the school (gymnasium).
      On the wall in front of the entrance are two memorial tablets: "... Named ... 1962 - 1982 .... died in the performance of international duty in Afghanistan. "

      Just think - these two Russian twenty-year-old boys, barely had time to finish school, were already “internationally” in debt to someone - in Afghanistan! - his young life. They didn’t have time to create anything, to build, to plant a garden, to have children in their own country, but there, in the Hindu Kush mountains, someone had something ...

      This is how our newest history is written.

      It is to her, so here, through and through FALSE - MUST be treated “with respect and respect? See in it "only good"?

      Say this, Max_Bauder, to the parents of the dead, do not be afraid, you are unlikely to get bogged down by your "patriotic" physics.

      Because all of us citizens, without hesitation, suffered this lie yesterday, we tolerate no protests, today. And we will submissively demolish at all times!
      Because:
      So necessary! - the audience of the site will answer in unison.
      Because:
      tell me bluntly today - why our youths died during a ten-year senseless massacre, tomorrow there will be no “consumables" for the next criminal adventures of the current rulers.

      The lie goes on
      With our approval
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 4 January 2014 12: 58
        +3
        The answer to your resentment may be this -

        In the Crimean War near Balaklava, a detachment of British light cavalry in which the whole world of the English aristocracy served fell in a military-senseless attack.

        But it would never occur to any Englishman then or now that someone is donating "boys". They are heroes, and they died heroically.

        Here is an excerpt from the "neighbor" post.

        "Exemplar

        The English really have a lot to learn. For example, respect for the fallen heroes, regardless of the circumstances in which they fell.

        In our country, whose ancestors turned the neck of fascism, in recent decades it has become fashionable to first of all talk about some kind of crushing the enemy with corpses, making Soviet soldiers some insane and thoughtless crowd that is simply being driven to the slaughter. However, an objective consideration of the figures of our and German losses shows that they are quite comparable and the reasoning about the “crushed by number” is completely unfair.

        But it's not that. British patriotism makes the citizens of this country honor the cavalrymen who fell under Balaclava as immortal heroes who deliberately went to their death for the sake of their homeland. And the attempt to remove at the expense of public funds for the anniversary of this movie about how British aristocrats go to Russian positions with cuttings from shovels, and behind them fires the royal party, is doomed to failure. Also, it will not be an option to remove the story of how the five cavalrymen of the light brigade, while somewhere out there are shooting their cannon comrades, love the simple girl Mary, who lives on the battlefield right between the Russian and British positions.

        Creators of this kind in democratic Britain will be made such “ai-yi-yay” that they themselves will run to look for Russian guns in order to go on them in a heroic and senseless attack.

        The Russian habit, rooted in the last two decades, to expose people who defeated fascism as cattle, rapists capable of winning only under the threat of execution, must be burned with a hot iron.

        This is not a question of freedom of speech, but a question of the nation's self-preservation. For a nation that throws mud at those who fell in its name will not last long. England has existed for so long precisely because they know this truth very well. "


        So if you think that you need to protect yourself and to blame the government is your business. But I think the exploits should be remembered.
        1. gardener
          gardener 5 January 2014 16: 22
          -3
          Dear Max_Bauder:

          "... In Russia, there never was a Christian feud, during the adoption of Orthodoxy from the Byzantines, the Russians never divided into sects, moving away from God ..."

          In an unbridled desire to cast a local audience with especially patriotic and loyal spells, you, dear Max_Bauder, discredit yourself as a historian, I don’t know either status or amateur (this is when they talk about history while sitting on the “stove”, that is, at the computer). Because you forget about the many Old Believer movements, caused in due time by the church reform of Patriarch Nikon.
          Well, yes this is not the main thing in your writings.

          "... The British ... learn ... respect for the fallen heroes, regardless of the circumstances in which they fell ..."

          We can not disagree with you:
          "The British" really have something to "learn"
          For example, the Magna Carta (they, the British, adopted it back in 1215)
          In it, in particular, it is about establishing the rule of law, the rule of law and guarantees of personal rights of the population.

          And here we are with you and still cannot agree - do we need such rights and guarantees! Or is it better "... to prevent the spread of evil (the West) ..."

          "... British patriotism ... to honor cavalrymen ... as immortal heroes who deliberately went to death for the sake of their homeland ..."

          Having reminded here of his fellow countrymen who did not have time to give birth to descendants and who died on the far side (in fact, not for the canine!), I drew your attention not to the immortality of these heroes in our memory, but to FALSE, under whose sauce all this is being given to us and to future generations.

          Who are these people who decided to send our boys there for slaughter?
          Where did they come from, these "leaders"?
          Who elected them?
          Someone asked us - should you meddle in that bloody swamp, in which many people, including the British you mentioned, were bogged down?

          Do not you admit, dear Max_Bauder, that the one who loves the homeland is not the one who justifies, covers, “protects” with expressive phrases, using a modern hairdryer, any of the most criminal acts taken by some brainless secretary-chairmen!
          Which no one elects, no one controls, who are not accountable to anyone, have no responsibility to anyone except their equally criminal environment.
          And which compel the “historians” and propagandists (such as this very Alexander Samsonov) to reckon with lies and deceit.

          The lie goes on
          With our approval
          1. Nikolaitch
            Nikolaitch 5 January 2014 22: 49
            +1
            Dear Max_Bauder:

            In an unrestrained desire to cast a local audience with especially patriotic and loyal spells, you, dear Max_Bauder, discredit yourself as a historian, I don’t know either status or amateur (this is when they talk about history while sitting on the “stove”, that is, at the computer) .. .

            "The British" really have something to "learn"
            For example, Magna Carta
            th (they, the British, accepted it back in 1215)
            In it, in particular, it is about establishing the rule of law, the rule of law and guarantees of personal rights of the population.

            And here we are with you and still cannot agree - do we need such rights and guarantees! Or is it better "... to prevent the spread of evil (the West) ..."


            Who are these people who decided to send our boys there for slaughter?
            Where did they come from, these "leaders"?
            Who elected them?
            Someone asked us - should you meddle in that bloody swamp, in which many people, including the British you mentioned, were bogged down?

            Do not you admit, dear Max_Bauder, that the one who loves the homeland is not the one who justifies, covers, “protects” with expressive phrases, using a modern hairdryer, any of the most criminal acts taken by some brainless secretary-chairmen!
            Which no one elects, no one controls, who are not accountable to anyone, have no responsibility to anyone except their equally criminal environment.
            And which compel the “historians” and propagandists (such as this very Alexander Samsonov) to reckon with lies and deceit.

            The lie goes on
            With our approval "



            The gardener crap everyone, is it nice? Does it warm your soul? And the author of the article in between times "did not forget".
            Max_Bauder, really respected by me, wrote the right things under the Kazakh flag, and as always you clung to the little things and threw it on top of your hand in your repertoire.
            On offended carry water. I do not like the education of patriotism in the lessons of history - look for another country.
            I can call Max_Bauder a brother, in turn, I am ready to stand shoulder to shoulder to uphold the ideals of good and justice with an ax in my hands repeat . Or stand behind, if the enemy will become too much.
            And here you are a gardener ... My thinking you are an evil Troll tongue
          2. PValery53
            PValery53 8 January 2014 23: 33
            0
            Powerful claims! - Of course, - criminal decisions of politicians that led to the death of innocent people should be punished by a criminal court! - Why is nobody punished so far?! ..- Because the life of a simple Man has never been appreciated in Rasea !! - And all Russian politicians are irresponsible !!
        2. PValery53
          PValery53 8 January 2014 23: 11
          0
          It does not seem that this is written by a Kazakh, but on urgent service he met only "correct" Kazakhs ...
    5. PValery53
      PValery53 8 January 2014 22: 55
      0
      It is weighty said.
  4. abuyanovus
    abuyanovus 30 December 2013 09: 41
    +16
    The same Committee includes such notorious persons as Gozman, Gontmakher, Svanidze and Yurgens. They stated that a single textbook does not correspond to the present, and in the XNUMXst century there are no longer and cannot be carriers of “the ultimate truth”

    ... What lovely, truly Russian surnames wink Just like Herman Oskorovich ... quote: "a simple country guy." And Kudrin ... probably went to his mother fellow
  5. Niko-zhukov
    Niko-zhukov 30 December 2013 09: 45
    +6
    The article is cool, definitely a plus. Rather, they would have restored history without striking out periods that are objectionable to cosmopolitans and tolerasts.
    1. Guun
      Guun 30 December 2013 10: 13
      +6
      Then it is necessary to restore what the Germans rewrote and did not finish under Peter 1. History is such a thing that one event from different peoples is described in completely different ways.
      1. RoTTor
        RoTTor 30 December 2013 10: 31
        +6
        It is interesting from this point of view to read J. Nehru's "A Look at World History", a wonderful book that a great politician and most cultured person wrote while Sitting IN ENGLISH PRISON, for his daughter Indira Gandhi.
        A look from India to European history, but we are used to looking from Europe: "... discovered America, opened the way to China, to India ...", and there civilization was both higher and older than European, and not at all like that.
        1. Guun
          Guun 30 December 2013 10: 49
          +4
          Europeans later discovered these countries as Africa, India, China, St. America and Lat. America. All wars were fought to capture the rich East, and the impoverished, dirty, overpopulated Europe was not needed by anyone, white-faced robbed these countries and healed.
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 30 December 2013 11: 09
            +6
            Quote: Guun
            Europeans later discovered these countries as Africa, India, China, St. America and Lat. America. All wars were fought to capture the rich East, and the impoverished, dirty, overpopulated Europe was not needed by anyone, white-faced robbed these countries and healed.


            White faces were presented to Europeans by Russians, India was the highest culture, and even now it would be nice to learn from them.
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 4 January 2014 13: 04
              +1
              Quote: Sandov
              White faces presented to Europeans by Russians

              When did the united Russian nation form?
              1. Sandov
                Sandov 5 January 2014 18: 51
                0
                Quote: Clegg
                Quote: Sandov
                White faces presented to Europeans by Russians

                When did the united Russian nation form?

                After the collapse of Great Tartaria. Something like this. Or maybe earlier?
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        3. 11111mail.ru
          11111mail.ru 30 December 2013 20: 18
          +1
          Quote: RoTTor
          read J. Nehru's "A Look at World History"

          I have read it. Jawaharlal Nehru's encyclopedic knowledge, the sharp mind of a brahmana, the character of a stoic, the ability to keep the thought "in check" ... Everything is even, impartial, even detached. But for some reason I don't feel like re-reading ...
      2. Salamander
        Salamander 5 January 2014 14: 46
        0
        You see, it is almost impossible to restore what was rewritten without the risk of going into "heresy" ... We must preserve what we have at the moment - first of all. And the rewriting of history should be treated with the greatest caution ... and only specialists should be allowed to do so!
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    3. CALL.
      CALL. 30 December 2013 17: 58
      +3
      Quote: Niko-zhukov
      The article is cool, definitely a plus. Rather, they would have restored history without striking through

      Soon the fairy tale affects. We are only at the beginning of the journey. But at least we know with whom, and for what we are fighting. And the imagination of the Karlovichi and Yakovlevich is very rich. It is easy for one slanderer to slander a hundred honest people, and then wash yourself. But if you know that this is a slanderer, then you do not even need to prove anything.
  6. RoTTor
    RoTTor 30 December 2013 10: 18
    +6
    For the most complex engineering or navigational calculations, two decimal places and calculations in a column or on a slide rule are enough. And history is the most complicated and exact science, but nobody knows it, does not teach it and does not want to know. The whole system of history study is also to blame for this: the majority of them somehow "know" from ... the school curriculum, feature films, "historical" novels and articles.
    And they are not interested in history, as a process.
    In vain.
    Dialectics teaches that society develops in a spiral. Even in the Holy Scriptures it is said that everything is repeated ...
    1. 11111mail.ru
      11111mail.ru 30 December 2013 20: 24
      0
      Quote: RoTTor
      In vain.
      Dialectics teaches that society develops in a spiral. Even in the Holy Scriptures it is said that everything is repeated ...

      Listen to Timur Sultanovich Shaov, the song "39,1". There the ending is wonderful: "There is a smell of garbage heaps, the bully is tormenting the dog ...
      This is what life teaches us? Yes, she does not teach anything! "
      Download the song, you won’t regret it!
  7. makarov
    makarov 30 December 2013 10: 24
    +6
    Quote: Guun
    Then it is necessary to restore what the Germans rewrote and did not finish under Peter 1. History is such a thing that one event from different peoples is described in completely different ways.


    I would like to add: "History is such a thing that one event is described completely differently for different peoples.", Precisely to please the ruler or a group of people, and often not patriots ...
    1. creak
      creak 30 December 2013 10: 55
      +5
      You can recall from the recent past - as they wrote that G.K.Zhukov wanted to consult with Colonel L.I. Brezhnev, but did not find him, he was at the forefront. And all this was presented with the most serious look ... Well, what should I call it - falsification of history or ordinary foolishness ...
      1. georg737577
        georg737577 4 January 2014 15: 08
        0
        And then and now, alas - one picture. There is no history, there is propaganda. And if the facts are against us, so much the worse for the facts ... Not tired?
  8. pensioner
    pensioner 30 December 2013 10: 27
    +12
    The same Committee includes such notorious persons as Gozman, Gontmakher, Svanidze and Yurgens.
    Russian historians ... la! Yes, for one surname, you can give "five". It would be better to shoot, of course ...
    1. Horde
      Horde 30 December 2013 20: 47
      +3
      Quote: retired
      Russian historians ... la! Yes, for one surname, you can give "five". It would be better to shoot, of course ...


      wow guy, and this is 282 Russian extremism ...
  9. Renat
    Renat 30 December 2013 10: 29
    +7
    Anxious for the next generation. This will be written. We leave, brought up in the Soviet system of education, what will happen next?
    1. RBLip
      RBLip 30 December 2013 10: 54
      +14
      Quote: Renat
      Anxious for the next generation. This will be written. We leave, brought up in the Soviet system of education, what will happen next?

      I'm sitting the day before yesterday. watching "Eternal Call" on the Star. a son (9 years old) is spinning nearby. in the film, the word punitive flashes. the son is interested in who they are. I explain, they say, they shot, burned, raped. the son is silent, then asks a question - did the Russians shoot? I'm shocked. I remember myself when I was 9 years old. kibalchish boy, timur with a team, elusive, pioneer heroes (Zina Portnova, Marat Kazei, etc.) we go to the bookstore yesterday. I ask the seller - are there at least some children's books about the exploits of children in the Second World War? The saleswoman looks up and says in surprise - something was in the FANTASY DEPARTMENT. do you need comments?
  10. RUSS
    RUSS 30 December 2013 10: 54
    +5
    Our society is still split and very politicized, so of course a new textbook of Russian history will not suit many (especially the 20th century), but the fact that a uniform textbook is needed especially for high school is a fact.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 30 December 2013 18: 21
      +3
      A very good cycle of documentary films "History of Russia XX century" 86 series here: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOdeFi3Dgzw&list=PLF37876D72662ACB8&index=1
      From this cycle, I found and watched 108 episodes. If someone is interested, it is not difficult to find. Mikhail Zadornov made a good film, right in the subject: - Rurik. Lost true.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJn6_tEApk4
  11. Energet1k_
    Energet1k_ 30 December 2013 11: 07
    +4
    The article is great! Thank the author, in principle, you can not read. The picture speaks for itself, whoever understands the topic) thanks again!
  12. Horn
    Horn 30 December 2013 11: 38
    +8
    The article is timely and necessary. It is especially pleasing that the author calls history not a science, but a "tool". History is a tool for influencing society in order to build the trend needed by the ruling class.
    Some forces "came" to the power of EBN, and we have not an alcoholic tyrant, but the first president of the Scattering, a beacon of democracy. Who would have heard about the Chubais-Berezovsky-Abramovichs and other Vekselbergs if the State Emergency Committee had the audacity to shoot at your people?
    So it turns out that "The winner writes the history. And he INTERACTS the past events" ...
  13. santush
    santush 30 December 2013 11: 38
    +3
    Excellent article! Thanks to the author.
  14. dmb
    dmb 30 December 2013 11: 40
    +2
    The article is so good because its first paragraph is clearly illustrated in the subsequent text. The esteemed Samsonov likes Stalin, and he also adjusts the article to his liking, just as a history textbook adjusts to himself. Creating an absolutely objective story is simply impossible. The period of Stalin's rule had both positive and negative sides. as the period of the reign of Yaroslav the Wise, Ivan the Terrible and even Tsar Kolya. For example, the merit of the latter in the absolute mediocrity of power, which actually accelerated the coming of the October Revolution, quite rightly, called Samsonov the Great. You do not like the drafters of the textbook, so you do not like the current government, because it knew in advance what they would write, instructed them to form a young people's view of the country's history. So she needs such a story.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 30 December 2013 15: 26
      +5
      Positive or negative rules of a particular ruler is determined very simply.

      1. Kokovo had a population before his reign (what is the dynamics of population growth / decline), how much did he become (what is the dynamics) after his reign.

      2. What are the sizes of the state and its weight in the world before his reign, what are the sizes of the state and its weight as a result of his reign.

      3. GDP before the start of the board (its dynamics) and by its board.

      These indicators quite objectively characterize one or another ruler.
      1. Horn
        Horn 31 December 2013 06: 41
        0
        Then the most "positive" rulers live in the countries of Asia and Africa, where reproduction proceeds at a rabbit's speed!
        1. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 31 December 2013 12: 06
          -1
          Quote: Horn
          Then the most "positive" rulers live in the countries of Asia and Africa, where reproduction proceeds at a rabbit's speed!


          And you do not see the remaining 2 points at point blank range?
          Or take an example from the liberals? See only what is beneficial for you?
          1. Horn
            Horn 1 January 2014 21: 44
            +2
            See see. But ... the size of any Zimbabwe does not change, the GDP has been "0" and has remained. So that? One criterion remains: population growth. So, minus, but think. Or do you take an example from the liberals?
  15. Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 30 December 2013 12: 02
    +10
    The winner writes the story. So we win and write, it's never too late.
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 30 December 2013 18: 29
      +4
      Quote: Sadykoff
      The winner writes the story. So we win and write, it's never too late.

      Plus, for optimism.
  16. Boris63
    Boris63 30 December 2013 12: 10
    +4
    The article is good, plus. But over the centuries, the history of Russia has been formed from history: family, community. Even the peasants (we do not take the boyars-princes, etc.) passed on their history from generation to generation (it was a shame not to know their ancestors up to 5-4 tribes). In the 20th century. in our country it was interrupted, in the previous centuries, the "abrasion of people's memory" was also practiced (there are examples), but not so zealously .. I got the following situation: on my father's side - a grandfather from the middle class, a grandmother from wealthy peasants; on the mother's side - a grandfather from the Pskov "kulaks", a grandmother from the poor. Therefore, conversations about ancestors ended before they started (even though they were already 60-70s, they were still afraid). The history of the state was always rewritten under the ruler (dynasty). Now it is not possible to restore the early history of Russia at all, and the next one will also have problems. The point is not even that the immediate and early history was "rewritten" by the Germans, the link between generations was interrupted.
  17. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 30 December 2013 12: 44
    +2
    I will express (briefly) my vision of the story. Maybe my vision will coincide with the understanding of someone else ... Whoever is not interested, may not read.

    1. The pagan period - absolutely no any reliable, and in general information has not reached us. All that we have now is most likely the fantasies and fantasies of modern dreamers. All of their information (most likely) comes from a single center of information (and other) sabotage against our country.

    2. The Christian period. Orthodox Christianity originated and grew up with us. This is an original Russian faith, harmoniously absorbing previous beliefs. There was no bloody Christianization of Russia. The people who developed Orthodoxy are RUSSIAN people. Orthodoxy has made a huge, invaluable contribution to the formation of our state, culture, character of the people. Princes and kings are great builders of the state.

    3. There was no Tatar-Mongol yoke in Russia. Mongol khans = Russian princes and tsars. Horde = army.

    4. Despite the fact that there is very little information about this period preserved, and many sources are falsified, the size of our state, powerful culture, faith, strong army, organization, victories indicate that our rulers are princes / kings / khans and ours the people undoubtedly committed great deeds.

    5. Distemper. The time of troubles was a consequence of the struggle for power within the dynasty between various applicants for the throne, which led to a significant weakening of the central state power, the state as a whole and the split from it of many parts that were previously directly subordinate, or vassal dependence.

    6. The Romanovs - the heirs and descendants of the old Russian dynasty, who have managed over the centuries to significantly restore power, the size of the empire, its power.

    7. The late Romanovs strengthened the position of the Russian Empire. Nicholas II is a wonderful ruler of peacetime, a good military leader who could not resist the new technologies of the "orange" coups.

    8. Coups and revolutions were carried out by outright agents and opponents of our country, but as a result Lenin and Co. came to power. He "threw", deceived in many respects his Western curators. Along with the statesmen, foreign agents headed by Trotsky also remained in power.

    9. Stalin. With very limited power tools and levers, Stalin, relying on very limited forces in the party and country, was able to almost completely clean the power from the direct agents and agents of influence that carried out the genocide of the people. Suffice it to say that the entire top leadership of Ukraine 30-33, who organized the Holodomor in Ukraine, was punished. Under the leadership of Stalin, our country won the most terrible war and became more than ever a Power in all respects. Economic success is undeniable.

    10. Khrushchev surrendered the position of our country. Under Brezhnev, there was no stagnation in the economy and culture. Plants were built in dozens and hundreds, books were written, films were shot, which are still the golden fund of our and world cinema.

    11. Gorbachev, a traitor who deliberately and artificially collapsed, destroyed the country, flooded the highest echelons of power with agents and traitors.

    12. Yeltsin - was able to maintain the integrity of Russia, did what he could under the conditions of flooding of all echelons of power by agents, in the conditions of the legal and information environment created by them.

    13. Putin a little regains sovereignty, cleans power structures from agents, revives the army, acts like Stalin at one time. Not everything has been done yet, but anger, hysteria in the western and domestic liberal media, terrorist attacks, threats and insults say that the country is on the right track.

    All leaders, rulers of the state relied on our people. The people were the creator of victories, successes, achievements, led by the princes / kings / khans / leaders of the country.

    Our cause is just. Victory will be ours! (I. Stalin)
    1. NIKOLAEV196
      NIKOLAEV196 30 December 2013 13: 18
      0
      IVAN YOU SOMETHED SOMETHING. RESIDUES OF PAGAN CULTURE IS IN MUSEUMS AND IN THE EARTH. BUT WHO WILL BE DOING THIS SAME. GENERALIZE THE MATERIAL AND WRITE BOOKS. THERE IS TIME AND MONEY FOR IT EVERYTHING. YET AND SUPPORT FROM THE AUTHORITY WHICH IS NOT INTERESTING TO KNOW IT. No one is interested in the roots of history. NOW MONEY AND POWER - AND MORE.
    2. Prohor
      Prohor 30 December 2013 20: 47
      -3
      "Your business", dear, what is it? In "nationality and Orthodoxy", apparently? And who has it made happy for a thousand years?
      I’ll answer - no one!
      Here I personally - have found the meaning of life after learning Buddhism, but I'm not going to hammer it into the head of anyone with an ax, unlike the Rurikovich-Romanov-Dzhugashvili you praised by you. And the fact that even 150 years ago they could sell my ancestors like cows and sheep - this alone puts the verdict on the Romanovs and Orthodoxy: Let's go ... well!
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 30 December 2013 22: 48
        +2
        We have vast expanses and untold riches on the earth and under the earth. They attracted a lot of people. As well as the wealth of America. Remind you what happened to the native people of America?

        The only reason you, dear, were born and still alive, and did not repeat the fate of the Indians of America, is a strong army, a strong science, a smart strategy, which are based on our people and our leaders / leaders. The development of our people, the fact that we were able to survive, protect ourselves and prosper, was influenced by many factors, including weather conditions, natural conditions. And the factors created by the people themselves: language, culture, faith. The Orthodox faith is among the most important factors that determined the survival and development of our people. Not Buddhism, not Protestantism, not even Mohammedanism (these are not bad, not defective beliefs, they are simply not ours), namely Orthodox Christianity.

        This is a given. That's it. You either take it for granted or go to a place where you will be more comfortable. Then piss off.
    3. Horde
      Horde 30 December 2013 21: 22
      +4
      do you want to be Russian Russians?
      on several lines contained the whole of Russian history?
      especially that which sticks out, along with a true assessment of the Tataromongol IGA did not happen, is absolutely opposite to the common sense of the Romanovs, that something useful was done for the Russian people, especially Nikolai, who had missed two wars, and two revolutions or Peter introduced Slavery in Russia.
      Yeltsin kept something there, while he was emptying the Russian lands in the type of union republics, he passed the Russians arranged two Chechen wars, he sold the best enterprises, damn him, and he found a successor in which the share of industry in GDP decreases every year.
      not a guy you're NOT RIGHT ...
    4. Aleksandr2
      Aleksandr2 14 January 2014 16: 15
      0
      We accepted the true faith in 988 and still carry it, and the Catholics separated from the Apostolic Church in 1052 if I am not mistaken.
  18. NIKOLAEV196
    NIKOLAEV196 30 December 2013 13: 08
    0
    Quote: sledgehammer102
    Quote: A.YARY
    AIDS injects modern "education" into the souls of our children, and individuals will grow out of them, ready for "infection".


    And it always starts with a story. Therefore, I am for the Unified History Textbook, for the events in the country and in the world set forth in it should be written by the patriots of their country, and not by information terrorists, who already with the help of Comrade Soros have laid several such landmines in the heads of the younger generation.

    YES THE TEXTBOOK SHOULD BE ONE. AS BEFORE BUT WITHOUT THE IDEOLOGY OF ONE PARTY.
  19. baskoy
    baskoy 30 December 2013 13: 28
    +5
    Yes, in our time, distorting history is a trifling matter. Strangely, only 60% of Japanese students are sure that the USSR dropped the atomic bombs on Japan. Apparently, more than half of Japanese youth have never heard of the Internet. And, of course, it was a hundred times harder to falsify history in the sixteenth century, when chronology did not even exist. What laziness of mind do you need to have to believe in the nonsense called World History (official)? Believe only because "Uncle Academician" said so, who makes money and fame for himself. And the fact that these "academics" are pawns in someone else's game cannot be, because there can be no when. Why are there so many misunderstandings, inconsistencies, and outright stupidity in history (even "academicians" who are bewildered)? This means that the perfect falsification is just someone's unattainable dream.
  20. vovan50
    vovan50 30 December 2013 13: 56
    -1
    The textbook “History of Kazakhstan” by Zhambyl Artykbaev and Saken Razdykov, published in 2007 and recommended by the Ministry of Education of the Republic of Kazakhstan for primary and secondary educational institutions.
    “At the beginning of the twentieth century, the territory of Kazakhstan was one of the colonies of Russia. The natural course of ethnic development was interrupted. The political structure of the Kazakhs was destroyed, territorial unity was violated, the formation of a nation and the unity of culture were difficult. It became impossible to create a common economy at that time, its infrastructure was developing in favor of the interests of the metropolis. Colonial domination suspended the original development of the ethnic group. ”
    “The national awakening of the Kazakh people in an embryonic state was interrupted by the October Revolution, which plunged Kazakhstan into a state of chaos. And then decades of terror and genocide came, leading the Kazakh ethnic group to terrible tragedies. ”
    “The Soviet government ... trying to preserve the empire, began to fight against the intelligentsia from national minorities, including the Kazakhs. For seventy years, the best representatives of the freedom-loving people were constantly destroyed, repressions were carried out every twenty years to eliminate the pride of the nation in subsequent generations. In parallel, the Soviet government strove to survive its heroic history from the memory of the people ... And when the people despaired, when many Kazakhs turned into mankurts, 1991 came. ”
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 30 December 2013 14: 05
      +11
      Those who write such a lie about the history of our country are the same terrorists as those who blew up bombs in Volgograd and those who prepared them.
      1. Prohor
        Prohor 30 December 2013 21: 10
        +1
        No, not so.
        Those who detonate bombs are people crafted by pseudo-Islamic preachers, humiliated and destitute by unemployment. They are certainly moral ....., but their ugliness was brought up from birth by the ugliness of the situation in Chechnya and Dagestan. War, unemployment, lack of meaning in life - how could they grow by others?
        Sorry for those killed in the attacks. And you need to have a clear and compassionate mind to pity the terrorists. They are by no means insane animals, no, just because of the circumstances, they were thoroughly brainwashed.
        Forgive me, relatives of the dead!
        Sorry!
        But until we learn to see the world from both sides and correct it, there will be no end to violence and innocent victims. The last 20 years are proof of this.
    2. Black
      Black 30 December 2013 18: 35
      +1
      Quote: vovan50
      And when the people despaired, when many Kazakhs turned into mankurts, 1991 came. ”


      ..Yes... what 1991 - as a forerunner? I have no words!
    3. Horde
      Horde 30 December 2013 21: 43
      +9
      Quote: vovan50
      “At the beginning of the twentieth century, the territory of Kazakhstan was one of the colonies of Russia.

      in order to BE a COLONY it is necessary to have signs of a conquered state, such as India for example, and this is the CAPITAL, FLAG, HYMN, ARMY i.e. it is necessary to justify their land rights as far as I know from the Kazakhs, all this appeared only thanks to comrade Lenin.

      Quote: vovan50
      The Soviet government ... in an effort to preserve the empire, began to fight against intelligentsia from national minorities, including Kazakhs.


      the intelligentsia of the Kazakhs was just created under the Soviet regime. Everything was turned upside down ...
      1. Rusich51
        Rusich51 2 January 2014 03: 36
        +7
        Quote: Horde
        Quote: vovan50
        “At the beginning of the twentieth century, the territory of Kazakhstan was one of the colonies of Russia.

        in order to BE a COLONY it is necessary to have signs of a conquered state, such as India for example, and this is the CAPITAL, FLAG, HYMN, ARMY i.e. it is necessary to justify their land rights as far as I know from the Kazakhs, all this appeared only thanks to comrade Lenin.

        Quote: vovan50
        The Soviet government ... in an effort to preserve the empire, began to fight against intelligentsia from national minorities, including Kazakhs.


        the intelligentsia of the Kazakhs was just created under the Soviet regime. Everything was turned upside down ...


        Kazakhstan stepped out of the Middle Ages thanks to Russia. It’s a sin for him to be offended by the Russians. Yes, in my opinion all the peoples of the empire received only pluses from our union.
    4. Clegg
      Clegg 4 January 2014 13: 07
      -3
      vovan50
      I agree with the authors of the book.
    5. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 6 January 2014 14: 58
      +1
      Mankurts are just those who write such a story, and those who sit in the Ministries, especially education.

      in the 19th century, when the Russians arrived, we were a fragmented country, nothing remained of the former greatness of the Kazakh Khanate, each sultan, as now akims, ruled as he wanted. In the west, North Caucasian tribes raided us, in the south the Uzbek-Kyrgyz-Turkmen states of Kokand, Khiva and Bukhara dominated. Each of them had a maximum of 30-40 thousand troops, this is a poor army, since in the same years at Borodino 120 thousand soldiers participated on both sides, but even the Kazakhs we could not resist. And so they paid taxes.
      Thanks to the Russians that in 1860, in the place of Uzunagach, which is next to Almaty, at that time the city of Verny, they defeated only 1500 soldiers of the Kokandans.
      The state of their culture can be seen in the paintings of Vereshchagin, the Afghans looked like now. Railways were also built by Russians, I agree that for a military purpose, but could we build this ourselves? a steam engine that runs on coal? no.

      Thanks to the Russians, we received a Western education, Shokan Ualikhanov successfully graduated from the cadet corps, Alikhan Bokeikhanov, Akhmet Baitursynov also dressed and received a Russian education, Abai himself urged to learn from more civilized Russians, if you don’t believe read "Kara the Creator", his work. And the councils during the civil, or rather some of them, destroyed not only our intelligentsia, but also their own intelligentsia, as it always happens when the government changes. Many white aristocrats left abroad then, one might say the whole color of the Russian aristocracy. This is not the fault of the Russians, but of the regime, by the way there were Jews there. And how many Russians were killed during the fratricidal war, many Reds clearly did not feel comfortable shooting at yesterday's heroes of the First World War, they fought not for themselves but for the Fatherland. Thank God this was not foreseen for our people.

      PS Only the Japanese could develop on their own, which they proved in the past, having conquered almost all of Asia and Oceania, and are now proving by making the best electronics in the world. We still grazed cattle when they made zero planes, or when they smashed Port Arthur with armadillos.
      And the most important thing, it was during the Russian rule, we successfully managed to gain independence, if we were to conquer the Chinese in the 19th century, they would give us independence now, Xinjiang as an example to you. Regards, compatriot. hi
  21. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 30 December 2013 15: 08
    +8
    The Westernist party in Russia, the heirs of the Februaryists, Trotskyists, cosmopolitans, sixties, dissidents, perestroika, de-Stalinists and human rights defenders, once again drags the liberal scheme of history.

    During such conversations, I remember the transfer on TV. In it, a resident of Denmark or Sweden, I don’t remember now, said that they built us a state. This statement almost brought me to hysteria. I remembered the bones of our ancestors buried from the coast of France to the coast in the Far East and beyond the coast of California (the first European building there was ours, Fort Ross). That's to whom we owe the existence of our state, if something was taken it was only a tiny sprout, and then at best.
  22. Begemot
    Begemot 30 December 2013 15: 29
    +8
    History became a weapon after it became part of politics, when, based on historical references, certain political decisions were made. In addition, the assessment of historical events is different for everyone. Recently, he was a participant in a dialogue in power structures, where an opposition figure began to compare the current government with the rulers of the tsarist era, who founded the city 250 years ago, an arms factory, naturally not in favor of the current ones. After listening to him, I advised reading the studies of the local authoritative local historian about those times. They also fought for resources, suppressed the opposition, pushed influence groups among themselves, drove irreconcilable enemies into the forests, fed allies, etc. on the list. One at one time, only the names of others. I don’t want to defend the authorities at all, but to say that something has fundamentally changed is naivety. History must be known from several sources in order to be able to form an integral opinion.
    BUT! the textbook should be as accurate and patriotic as possible, in no case should politicized authors be allowed to write it, liberals, especially descendants of the repressed for anti-Party, anti-Soviet propaganda, will write such a thing !! Pusek children will also write that their mothers were prisoners of conscience, and not fucking idiots with schizophrenic self-esteem and a desire to become famous in any way, even disgusting hooliganism.
  23. CALL.
    CALL. 30 December 2013 16: 00
    +4
    Quote: A.YARY
    individuals will grow out of them, ready for "infection".

    I agree. Only not individuals, but spiritual invalids.
  24. kaktus
    kaktus 30 December 2013 17: 24
    +5
    "Whoever shoots the past with a pistol, the future will shoot a cannon at him."
    sorry. I do not remember. whose words
    1. CALL.
      CALL. 30 December 2013 18: 46
      +1
      Quote: kaktus
      "Whoever shoots the past with a pistol, the future will shoot a cannon at him."
      sorry. I do not remember. whose words

      These words are often attributed to Rasul Gamzatov. In fact, this was said by Abutalib Gafurov.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 30 December 2013 20: 12
      +3
      Quote: kaktus
      "Whoever shoots the past with a pistol, the future will shoot a cannon at him."
      sorry. I do not remember. whose words

      This phrase has a deep meaning. Knowing the past, you can predict the future. Relying on a false history and predictions will be wrong, wrong actions will lead to dire consequences.
      1. Prohor
        Prohor 30 December 2013 21: 19
        +2
        Meaning, say, deep? C'mon, this phrase has no meaning ...
        The only meaning is that which can make a person happy. And on our sinful land, the recipe for happiness is expressed in simple words "love your neighbor as yourself." All. Dot. There is no other meaning.
        But we, do not remember these words ...
      2. Tyumen
        Tyumen 30 December 2013 23: 47
        +2
        Sitrac
        Today, the future is shaped by distorting the past.
  25. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 30 December 2013 17: 52
    +4
    <<< They (the Committee of Civil Initiatives headed by Kudrin: Gozmans, Gontmakhery, Svanidze, Yurgens ...) declared that a single textbook does not correspond to the present, and in the XNUMXst century there are no longer and cannot be carriers of "the ultimate truth", therefore, such a textbook would cause a split in society. >>>
    As always, this arrogant, considering itself an intellectual elite, pro-Western libesral schobla confidently believes why something that represents the opinion and interests of a significant part of Russian society, which allows them to scare society with a split if they create a single textbook on the history of Russia. I want to disappoint these figures! What kind of split in society can be discussed if they represent the opinion and interests of such an insignificant part of society that in percentage terms it is unlikely to go beyond the margin of error in the assessment!
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 30 December 2013 18: 17
      +4
      You do not read their words correctly. You read:
      <<< They (the Committee of Civil Initiatives headed by Kudrin: Gozmans, Gontmakhery, Svanidze, Yurgens ...) declared that a single textbook does not correspond to the present, and in the XNUMXst century there are no longer and cannot be carriers of "the ultimate truth", therefore, such a textbook would cause a split in society. >>>

      But you must:
      <<< They (... Gozmans, Gontmakhery, Svanidze, Yurgens ...) stated that a single textbook does not answer THEIR WISHES, and in the XXI century there are no longer and cannot be carriers of “ultimate truth”, EXCEPT THEIR OWNERS. Therefore, IF RUSSIA ATTEMPTS TO ENTER such a textbook THEY callУt split in society. >>>
  26. Stinger
    Stinger 30 December 2013 19: 52
    +4
    What a power, such a story. If a country has many stories, then there is no power. When changing formations, history is necessarily rewritten. We have an indispensable rule, as noted by Klyuchevsky: Every new Russian tsar began by rejecting his predecessor. And world history, in the words of B. Russell, is the sum of all that could have been avoided. Hence the moral: if you want to have a state, have a single school history textbook that reflects the opinion of the state. And Gozmans, Svanidze and so on. they can write any kind of stories to themselves and read them with rapture before going to bed.
  27. fktrcfylhn61
    fktrcfylhn61 30 December 2013 21: 18
    +2
    Yes, history has the property of repeating itself! If they forget about her! And this is not the fault of politicians and leaders, but the citizens of this country! If they forget their culture, their history, then it itself will remind of itself! After all, it was not for nothing that in the Middle Ages they used to say: Every nation deserves its king!
    And to be honest, what happens is what we allow ourselves! There are many of us, and the king is alone! And in my opinion, it was during the Soviet period that the peoples of the Soviet Union stood on their feet and rebuilt their country, and then defended themselves from the brown plague. And again they rebuilt and lived according to their abilities. And at this time, it is necessary to include national ingenuity, and quick wit, and put everything in its place. And then look at the scenarios of September 11 are repeated in Volgograd.
  28. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 30 December 2013 21: 31
    +7
    I’ll only express my opinion in relation to history. Recently (90-ies ХХХв - н.в.) history has been distorted and continues to distort almost beyond recognition. The school was stuffed with antiquity and the Tatar-Mongol yoke along with the Roman Empire. Modern time was presented in heroic-praising colors (thanks to the USSR, but it’s right - we grew up on the examples of heroism). I don’t even say anything about the recent history of recent years - I correspond almost every year!
    It was written for the sake of political realities from the 16th century, and in the 17th, and in the 18th and up to our time. Therefore, I want to raise the question with an edge - if we see historical verbiage today, then where is the guarantee, that everything that they try to convince us about history is true ???
    After all, if historians say one thing, and when asked "objectionable" question averted their eyes, then where is the truth?
    I read a lot, especially historical literature. But for my conclusions I read a lot of alternative. And it already seems to me that not everything is so smooth with our ancient history. And is this the story that is being taught to us?
    I repeat, this is purely my personal opinion. And for myself, I discovered the New Fomenko-Nosovsky Chronology. After all, there are a lot of inconsistencies in official history. And because of my curiosity, it becomes interesting why so ??? For myself, I found the answer. And he explains a lot to me. He explains why the Russian language is one of the most difficult. Because it is almost the oldest. Explains why almost half of Europe is inhabited by Slavs. Because 500 years ago Europe was under the Russian heel. And very, very many things!
    And unlike modern verbiage, everything is based on rigorous scientific and cross-checked studies. And at the moment it is better than the ghostly Roman empires, which simply did not exist. The story is much shorter than we are told. And she grew up from Russian. Therefore, they all hate us around, because they still remember where they came from!
    This is just my personal opinion. If someone is familiar with what I am talking about, I will be glad to talk! With Great Respect, a descendant of the Great People hi
    1. Tyumen
      Tyumen 30 December 2013 23: 52
      +4
      As they say - you open the newspaper in the morning, and look what new has happened
      in Russian history over the past couple of centuries.
      1. Rurikovich
        Rurikovich 31 December 2013 00: 21
        +4
        By the way, if we ourselves support the "inferiority" inculcated in us, then the hour is not far off when we will REALLY kiss the pedals of some overseas or "blue" European democrat. Which I really don't want ...
        Therefore, the one who does not honor the memory of ancestors does not have history.
        And a lot of stories are written in history. Which one is chronicle for you (not the fact that it is correct)? Or Romanovskaya (invented)? Or maybe German about Russia (so I would have laughed if we wrote the history of Britain for Britain itself)? Or maybe the one that is written across the ocean about how the staunch American people grind the Hitler hordes and saved the world from the brown plague? !!! Well this is also a story, and it is written before our very eyes ...
        I'd rather believe what I believe.
  29. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 30 December 2013 22: 01
    +2
    History is a part of science in general. Science is now being ruined - apparently on purpose - while there was enough backlog from the USSR Russia "breathed" - but when school education and vocational education were "destroyed" (all vocational schools are closed in our city, all technical schools graduate "programmers, accountants, economists, managers, lawyers", academic education has “drifted” into “paid education with an appropriate level.” Here comes the end of fundamental science, too - scary gentlemen.
  30. polly
    polly 30 December 2013 22: 32
    +1
    "It seems that if our ancestors were brought up in the spirit of tolerance, we simply would not exist now."
    What is tolerance? This is tolerance, and with this word we have always associated one well-known house. And if there is a strong desire of the liberal liberals to turn the country into this very house, then their efforts are clear: to blur the boundaries between good and evil, and then smoothly and technically change and isolate meaning. For example, the word shame nowhere and you will not hear, replaced with a mockery the word notorious .
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 30 December 2013 23: 27
      0
      tolerance is not tolerance.
      despite the fact that it is literally translated so, the meaning of this word has a slightly different meaning. otherwise why replace the Russian word with a completely understandable and unambiguous meaning with a foreign one?
      the devil is in the details.
  31. misterwulf
    misterwulf 31 December 2013 02: 50
    +4
    By the way, for a long time I have been of the opinion that in the Old World there were no "movements of peoples" and changes of ethnic groups in the territories.
    Who and when and where he lived lives to this day in the same place. And states (with rare exceptions like Hungary or Spain) are the "genetic" heirs of their predecessors.
    Simply, classical history does not see state formations outside the "Roman world", but only some barbarian tribes. But they were! Who then crushed this very Rome with military force? The conclusion suggests itself: there were both Germany and Russia in Europe then! :) Only the "Roman tradition" and "historians" stubbornly do not see 2 more empires in Europe. Perhaps they were called something differently. Maybe not.
    They "see" the state of Dacia on the territory of Romania, but on maps and in textbooks they will not see any state there! They see in the North. Black Sea region Bosporus and Scythian kingdoms, but historical science "does not notice" them.
    Of course, the Scythians-Sarmatians-Roksolany-Yazygi-Huns-Ants ... this is the story of one and the same people and state. It is foolish to deny it.
  32. Song Hu Chan
    Song Hu Chan 31 December 2013 08: 58
    +3
    Unfortunately, the story that you turn it where you turned it turned out! And therefore, we read with laughter, opuses about the primitive great Ukrainians, unhappy Kazakhs, crushed by Russia and other crazy fairy tale stories. Archeology data, of course, should restore the chronology of ancient history Slavs.
    And such, pseudo-historians like Svanidze associates, instructed to clean the needs of Western history. Here where
    -operative space for the liberals!
  33. vengrik
    vengrik 31 December 2013 09: 49
    +1
    All is correct. But only when the majority of Russians will understand this?
  34. Semenov
    Semenov 31 December 2013 13: 24
    +4
    There should be a single history textbook, but who will write it and how. In Ukraine, generations of people have grown up who praise outright nonentities like Bandera and "Galicia" and believe in proto-ukrov. We have grossly forged Soviet films about human relations, the Second World War, the Don Cossacks - bullshit "Enjoy Your Bath 2", "Gentlemen of Fortune 2", in the new "Quiet Don" Cossack Russia - an open bisexual brothel, "Ninth Company" - nothing in common with facts, Mikhalkov's "Citadel" is outright nonsense, now "Stalingrad" is already the son of Bondarchuk - even more trenchant, only the names and surnames people go! Why are these fakes produced, for what purpose, who pays, who benefits? How are we shown in the eyes of people and the world? This is a lie! No matter how it happened with these Gozmans, generations of boobies with a westerly wind in their heads will grow up. The textbook must be ideologically verified, for the state and its development, and we just do not have ideology (Constitution).
  35. Irokez
    Irokez 31 December 2013 13: 46
    +6
    Quote: Z.O.V.
    A very good cycle of documentaries "History of Russia XX century" 86 episodes here: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOdeFi3Dgzw&list=PLF37876D72662ACB8&index=1 From this cycle, I found and watched 108 episodes. If someone is interested, it is not difficult to find. Mikhail Zadornov made a good film, right in the subject: - Rurik. Lost reality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJn6_tEApk4

    I also reviewed these films and discovered a lot for myself, and that in those days Stalin fought with Trotsky and right now the war is going on with the liberals.
    Yes, truly our country is Sovereign and there must be a clear and charismatic leader, and if you take democracy, then there is a leader in the shadows (puppeteer), and the rest are temporary and appointed state management managers.
    I advise everyone to watch films in spite of the lack of time. I watched them at work during the break, everyone is sitting on the Internet, and I’m listening to headphones for a month and a half in two episodes and reviewed calmly and deliberately.
    And also Professor Chudinov, look how he describes the origin of many Latin words and Europe as a whole, and he finds artifacts with inscriptions on the stones and tells about the antiquity of Russia.
  36. CALL.
    CALL. 31 December 2013 19: 49
    0
    Quote: Horde
    HISTORICAL TRUTH IS NOT AND CAN'T BE ..


    Work is underway to write a single textbook of Russian history. The final version of the training course concept is now ready. The new textbook will not have the Mongol-Tatar yoke, instead of which the neutral term “dependence of the Russian lands on the Golden Horde” is introduced. The October Revolution is no longer recognized as "great" or "socialist", it is combined with the February Revolution into the "Great Russian".
    Also, students will not be told about the mass repression in the Soviet period and, accordingly, about the number of victims. But the positive results of the Soviet authorities in the context of the new economic policy and the rapid economic breakthrough of the first five-year plans will be noted.
    And yet, not in vain, We are all trying to find the truth. Do not believe someone who tells you that there is no truth. We are all carriers of it. This does not apply to trolls, agents of the State Department and graduates of the Echo of Moscow courses.
    God is not in power, but in truth!
  37. BASHKIR
    BASHKIR 31 December 2013 20: 19
    +7
    Quote: A.YARY
    Similarly, Eugene.

    Tolerance - is the complete inability of the body to fight the disease.medical fact
    AIDS injects modern "education" into the souls of our children, and individuals will grow out of them, ready for "infection".

    My child knows: Good-Red Army. The Black Army - the United States, the terrorists and all who are against ...
  38. Genur
    Genur 2 January 2014 14: 19
    +2
    And where did they divide such a huge country as TARTARIA ?
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 2 January 2014 14: 34
      +1
      Quote: Genur
      And where did you divide such a huge country like TARTARIA?

      The main part of Tartaria (let's not argue about the existence of this state) was swallowed by Russia. Part of the territories lost by the Romanovs - North. America (a significant part of it), Manchuria, Central Asia, Eastern Europe, lost sovereignty over the Arctic (half of it) and Antarctica.
      http://atlantida-pravda-i-vimisel.blogspot.ru/
      Interesting, albeit difficult to prove.
    2. Horde
      Horde 2 January 2014 15: 07
      +2
      Quote: Genur
      And where did you divide such a huge country like TARTARIA?

      What evidence do you have of the existence of TARTARIA?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 2 January 2014 15: 41
        0
        Quote: Horde
        What evidence do you have of the existence of TARTARIA?

        I will ask a counter question, for clarity, what evidence do you have of the existence of the Roman Empire, or, for example, ancient Greece?
        1. Horde
          Horde 2 January 2014 17: 26
          +1
          Quote: Setrac
          I will ask a counter question, for clarity, what evidence do you have of the existence of the Roman Empire, or, for example, ancient Greece?



          I’ll name you a dozen antique names and surnames
          -Homer-poet pessenik,
          -Archimedes
          Democritus
          diogen
          -Pythagoras
          -Plato
          -Plutarch
          -Socrates
          -Epicure
          -Hippocrates
          -Lucretius Car Titus
          -Tit Livy
          -Virgil
          -Marcus Aurelius
          in short dohrena, these are only those that on hearing representatives of the Glorious Tartaria are so well buried in history that to name at least ONE name will be problematic ...
          -
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 2 January 2014 20: 29
            0
            Quote: Horde
            I’ll name you a dozen antique names and surnames
            -Homer-poet pessenik,
            -Archimedes
            Democritus
            diogen
            -Pythagoras
            -Plato
            -Plutarch
            -Socrates
            -Epicure
            -Hippocrates
            -Lucretius Car Titus
            -Tit Livy
            -Virgil
            -Marcus Aurelius


            Let me draw your attention, NONE of the works of these authors have reached us in the original, we have only copies of the 17-19th centuries. There is no reason to consider the authors' data as "ancient". ... These authors worked in the 17-19th centuries indicated by me.

            Quote: Horde
            shorter dohrena are only those that are heard

            Exactly, only by ear, European history has no other evidence.
            1. Horde
              Horde 2 January 2014 21: 23
              +2
              Quote: Setrac
              Let me draw your attention, NONE of the works of these authors have reached us in the original, we have only copies of the 17-19th centuries. There is no reason to consider the authors' data as "ancient". ... These authors worked in the 17-19th centuries indicated by me.


              Nnda actually even if there were any scrolls with papyrus, say the papyrus lives for a long time, almost forever, then again there remains the problem of temporarily determining the artifact when it was written? Radiocarbon analysis IS NOT PRECISE, but this does not bother the traders. For thousands of years they like to operate, they were born from UNLIMITED CALCULATIONS of medieval monastic -holasts of such astronomical phenomena as the solar and lunar eclipses described in the so-called ancient anthology. Nosovsky. That there was THOUSAND YEARS BACK Nobody knows ...
        2. Salamander
          Salamander 5 January 2014 14: 08
          0
          There are a great many historical documents that mention both RI and DG. But on behalf of Tartaria for some reason there are no documents ... And in general, you still take descriptions by Europeans of India for ages 14-15. You will learn a lot of interesting things: about one-legged and ten-headed animals, such people and so on. lol
  39. Setrac
    Setrac 2 January 2014 23: 01
    0
    http://ru-an.info/новости/история-важнейшая-наука-ф
    man-forming
    u-picture of the world /
    http://ru-an.info/новости/кто-управляет-англо-сакса
    mi /
    An interesting resource.
  40. Cossack23
    Cossack23 4 January 2014 01: 08
    +2
    like many destroyed civilizations we will have to start all over from the beginning, but with the west we need to solve something because of them all the troubles in the world
  41. Salamander
    Salamander 4 January 2014 22: 08
    +1
    author ЖЖОТ! wink
    Such a variety of historical paintings is especially dangerous for people who are not very versed in history. Here they will read (by chance) 1-2 articles, from those that constantly float up on many sites - and this will become the basis of their ideas. Such a person to all others with a "gaze expressing an unyielding will" will assert what was written in this article, even if it contained hypotheses unverified by anyone. Therefore, it is NECESSARY to instill in people and regularly update the basic system of knowledge about the history of Russia.
  42. zbidnev
    zbidnev 5 January 2014 01: 02
    +1
    Nearby in the courtyard, one person actually created a playground with his own hands. And I placed some of my thoughts on the tablets. Let me quote one of them - "Each of us individually is an expert in government, but not everyone is able to bring order to his life." This is in tune with my thoughts on this article. It contains a bunch of enemies, friends and historical figures and periods, the need for a single history textbook, titular nations, etc. That's right, you need a single ideology, history and morality. But for this to happen it is necessary to put things in order in ourselves. If the majority is healthy, then the parasites will not take root.
  43. Gennady
    Gennady 5 January 2014 12: 22
    0
    The right thing the author says
  44. Gennady
    Gennady 5 January 2014 12: 54
    +1
    The right thing the author says
  45. rexby63
    rexby63 5 January 2014 13: 06
    0
    Only a plus.
  46. Power
    Power 5 January 2014 18: 06
    0
    "Tolerastic patriotism" complicated by "brain liberalism" is a terrible disease that can only be cured "purely by surgery."
  47. Pavlouha
    Pavlouha 5 January 2014 19: 00
    0
    Plus for like-minded people!
  48. Nikolaitch
    Nikolaitch 5 January 2014 23: 17
    0
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    Those who write such a lie about the history of our country are the same terrorists as those who blew up bombs in Volgograd and those who prepared them.


    Much worse. They kill more slowly, but in huge quantities.
    What can I say when even ethnic Russians raised in Kazakh schools are convinced: Russians are occupiers. And they are ready to argue with anyone who says something else. It's funny
    Great people are created not by population growth, but by the fact that this population has their heads. I'm very worried about our future ...

    But we will rewrite history! After the victory! wink yes
  49. Filimonov
    Filimonov 11 January 2014 23: 38
    0
    And I believe that there is a prophet in our Fatherland. Chudinov has already created an excellent base for reconstructing the history taken from us. Here is a quote from his article:
    "During the Middle Ages, and especially during the Renaissance, there was a Germanization of the territory of Germany, the destruction of Arkona, as well as the occupation of the former territory of Rus Yar by new peoples with a different culture, language and writing. Biarmia became first Russian-speaking Scandia, and then - North German Scandinavia, Rus Mary turned into China, Russia of the Roda was occupied by American Indians, Russian Scythia (Tartaria) turned into regions such as the Caucasus, Siberia and the Far East, Zhivina Rus became Illyria, then Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Slovakia. The Slavs of Germany became Luzhichians , the Slavs of Porussia - the Prussians, Lithuanians, Latvians, the descendants of the Etruscans (those Russians) - the Spaniards and Italians, the Slavs between Germany and the Russia of the Slavs - the Poles. The Russia of the Slavs split into Great, Small and White Russia. " http://chudinov.ru/ocherk
  50. Aleksandr2
    Aleksandr2 14 January 2014 16: 14
    0
    We accepted the true faith in 988 and still carry it, and the Catholics separated from the Apostolic Church in 1052 if I am not mistaken.