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Time to test the gunship MC-27J with a new gun

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Time to test the gunship MC-27J with a new gun
A computerized image of a pallet with a cannon system and a functional module of operators (in the background) inside the gantry of MC-27J. The flexible spacer surrounding the barrel in the modified door allows you to shoot 30-mm guns without disturbing the cabin tightness



Alenia Aermacchi and ATK at a briefing at the Paris air show announced the details of the successful first stage ground and flight tests of their multi-tasking aircraft MC-27J and talked about the subsequent second and third stages of the development of this aircraft.

The two companies announced at Farnborough in the 2012 year of their intentions to work together in a phased development and further promotion of the MC-27J. Since then, ATK and Alenia Aermacchi have conducted a series of tests at the Eglin airbase in Florida, which ended with live gunfire from the GAN-30 23-mm cannon on the Florida coast in March 2013. Tests were organized and certified by the US Air Force, and the command of special operations of the Air Force called them successful.

Demonstration of the ability of the aircraft to quickly transition from cargo to armed configuration exceeded all expected test targets. The tests consisted of two tasks: roll up and roll out a pallet with a gun and a functional module of operators (control and management) in four hours and carry out the integration of these systems with the aircraft within two hours. The execution time of both tasks did not exceed the specified standards, and the latter was carried out in just one hour and two minutes. Only three people are needed in order to perform the whole operation.

The test aircraft (which Alenia Aermacchi showed in Paris) was equipped from the very beginning with a variety of different sensors. The pressure sensors measured the overpressure arising from the firing of the gun, which could damage the fuselage skin, and the strain gauges in the cargo compartment measured the effect of the recoil forces of the gun on the plane body. Representatives of Alenia Aermacchi said that the pilot could not feel the firing of the gun, because the installation design absorbs recoil forces well.

When installed inside the aircraft standard pallet 463L there is no need to refine the fuselage, trimming or cutting the body. According to Ben Stone, president and CEO of Alenia Aermacchi North America: “It's as simple as installing any other pallet.”

Combat shooting from an aircraft was carried out on a luminous target at the surface of the sea, first single shots and then in different modes: a line of eight shots and fully automatic 200 fire shots per minute. Tests confirmed the safety of firing and the expected (so far secret) circular probable deviation of the weapon system. They were carried out on board a classic heavily armed aircraft (the so-called gunship), while the gun's line of sight was calibrated with the sensor system and the pilot pointed the gun using a monitor installed in the cockpit.



In the tailgate of the MC-27J aircraft, the 463-mm GAU-30З gun is mounted on a standard 2L pallet



Monitors pointing guns in the cockpit (above). Pilot / opening fire control switch on the pilot's steering wheel (below)


Rough aiming

In the final version, firing will be carried out in the following mode: the pilot captures the target on his monitor in the cockpit, presses the cocking / opening fire control switch on the steering wheel and thus agrees to open the fire by the operator of the function module. In fact, the pilot "roughly targets" the gun, and the operator on the screen of his monitor accurately directs it to the target. Alenia Aermacchi and ATK have entered into an agreement with the United States Air Force to conduct joint R & D on a C-27J aircraft, in which the Air Force was responsible for independent certification and certification. These works allowed to evaluate the new recoilless version of the 30-mm ATK Mk 44 gun.

The gun received an elongated barrel, its dimensions were increased in order to install a larger receiver and the recoil cylinder. These innovations made it possible to increase the mass travel of the recoil parts of the gun and reduce the recoil force by 40%. Thereby, there was no need for a muzzle brake, but at the same time a longer barrel increased the likelihood of vibration from the air flow. In order to stabilize the barrel, ATK has developed an extension cord screwed onto the muzzle with mechanically machined recesses that look like recesses in a golf ball.

The US Air Force is interested in this new version of the Mk 44 cannon, because it provides increased accuracy and exerts less pressure on the body of the aircraft. The gun is likely to receive the GAU-23A / A designation in the United States Air Force, since the GAU-2WA gun version is already installed on the AC-130W Stinger II gunship.

The gun can shoot 30x173 mm ammunition and during the tests of the first stage (Phase 1) it was fired with a PGU-46 projectile of the NATO standard, as well as some unnamed types of ammunition from ATK. A cannon pallet weighs almost 4000 pounds with a full ammo from two containers of 250 shots. Station operators for two people weighs pounds 1500

The second phase of the test program (Phase 2) will begin in November 2013 of the year at the ATK company site in Minnesota with ground fire tests. This stage will be distinguished by advanced integration of the target-intelligence system and the weapons system. The gun can rotate in azimuth and elevation, synchronizing with the optical-electronic station installed in the nose, although ATK reported that they are still evaluating the final parameters regarding the angles of movement of the gun. Flight tests are scheduled to take place in the 2014 year.

The test aircraft currently installed aStarSAFIRE 380-HD sensor head, hired by FLIR Systems, although the L-3 Wescam MX-15HD sensor head (station) has also been tested. Raytheon optoelectronic stations have not yet been tested in this configuration, but Alenia Aermacchi and ATK have a long history of integrating them into aircraft. The sensor station can be installed in the bow of the vessel, as well as in the main chassis fairing.

This second phase, scheduled for completion at the start of the 2014 of the year, will also include the integration of high-precision ammunition, induced by a laser pointer. These include the Viper Strike from MBDA US, the Griffon from Raytheon and the PGM PGM shells from ATK currently in development.

Gun deployment

The method of launching high-precision ammunition will depend on the needs of the customer (some will want to use launch tubes), so deploying weapons in the cab with excess pressure will be optional. In order to seal the space inside the aircraft, a flexible spacer will be installed in the modified door around the gun barrel. In addition, the functional module with the operator’s seats can be isolated from the rest of the cabin, but it also maintains its performance even when the aircraft is depressurized.

Alenia Aermacchi and ATK fully funded the first and second stages of the development program for MC-27J, but officials expressed a desire to continue the third stage (which will probably last another year) subject to the financing of the contract by a third party. In the framework of the third stage, the launches of high-precision PGM ammunition will be demonstrated. The start method still has to be determined, but it may be possible to start with a ramp.

On the question of whether the MC-27J is being developed for the Italian Air Force’s requirements for the special mission platform (Praetorian), Mr. Stone said that the capabilities of the new ganship meet these requirements, but were not specifically created for them, because they meet the needs of other potential customers.

Alenia Aermacchi has identified a possible market for 50 aircraft, which includes both current and potential C-27 users in the Middle East and the Far East and in South America. Representatives of the company stressed that the current focus is on fulfilling the test and demonstration schedule, but, nevertheless, prospective customers are invited to the upcoming tests.

Alenia Aermacchi and ATK are promoting their system as a scalable solution with two levels of operational management / surveillance and intelligence; an improved second-tier version will have a relay communications station and an advanced intelligence gathering system. A two-tier aircraft armament system, in addition to the gun on a standard pallet, provides for the installation of launch tubes for high-precision PGM ammunition.

Custom items

The final concept of the MC-27J aircraft will have a SAR / ISAR multi-mode radar (synthetic aperture / inverse synthetic aperture), selection of ground moving targets (GMTI) and aerial photography system, optical-electronic stations, radio interception and reconnaissance by means of satellite, satellite communication in the Ku-band, as well as the ability to connect to the control network using a data channel in direct view for transmitting full-frame video. It will have a PGM gun and precision weapons and a five-man crew consisting of a pilot, co-pilot, two weapon operators and a gunner serving the PGM missile. Referring to the aforementioned sensor and communication systems, ATK’s program director, Brad Hayes, said: “All this will be tailored for the customer, but we have already integrated a wide range of systems on our pallets (weapons and control module) and, as a result, initiated the point design.”


Flight tests of the first stage included firing from the recoilless version of the 30-mm Mk 44 cannon from ATK with an elongated barrel having a nozzle for stabilizing the barrel in the air flow (in the attached video the gun is clearly visible)








Paris Air Show MC 27J Gunship
Presentation of the multi-tasking MC-27J aircraft with the new 30-mm GAU-2З gun at the Paris Air Show
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  1. igordok
    igordok 6 January 2014 11: 00
    +24
    There is a tendency - Military operations against civilian or lightly armed targets. For these purposes, a very correct solution, but instead of AC-130.
    1. slvevg
      slvevg 8 January 2014 22: 17
      +2
      Well, even transformers can be wet ... wassat
    2. tchoni
      tchoni 9 January 2014 22: 14
      -1
      Absolutely agree. The tendency to give out political successes for the victories of American weapons is evidently affecting.
      In general, the gun-ship, in my opinion, is a purely opposite thing, not even partisan, but I would say anti-civilian. Because they are partisans with the same teeth.
  2. rolik2
    rolik2 6 January 2014 11: 27
    +5
    Well, with open doors, flying is still a pleasure, in general crap.
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 6 January 2014 17: 24
      +9
      Quote: rolik2
      Well, with open doors, flying is still a pleasure, in general crap.

      This is the answer to the question: How to make a fire support aircraft in 3 hours? And cheap and cheerful! Only five is it designed for war against countries such as Afghanistan and Somalia. Do you have to screw the pilots to the floor with open doors there !!? laughing
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      2. Witold
        Witold 6 January 2014 22: 06
        +7
        Or Chechnya and Dagestan.
      3. 31231
        31231 7 January 2014 13: 55
        +4
        To the first needle or stinger.
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 7 January 2014 20: 50
          0
          Quote: 31231
          To the first needle or stinger.


          They try not to use them during the day. And then, look at the statistics - there is no data on the losses of aircraft of this class.
          1. clidon
            clidon 7 January 2014 21: 31
            +3
            In the first Iraqi from MANPADS ("Strela") one gunship was lost ...
            1. 31231
              31231 8 January 2014 23: 11
              0
              I heard something similar, but if memory serves me, the Americans attributed it to non-combat losses. They love to disguise their amno.
              1. clidon
                clidon 11 January 2014 20: 39
                0
                No, it’s quite a battle. This is official data. Three cars covered the marines, two left at dawn - one decided to stay for cover. And got MANPADS. 14 crew members were killed.
        2. tchoni
          tchoni 9 January 2014 22: 18
          0
          And not at all necessary. If he gets it, then I can organize an ambush with the help of the usual MZA, I think, can.
      4. iSpoiler
        iSpoiler 8 January 2014 16: 00
        0
        They need to be screwed to the pot, so long ago the guys from Afgan, Somalia have ancient "needles" and "arrows", which are enough to shoot down this airplane.
  3. AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 6 January 2014 11: 29
    +9
    partisans do not give them peace, this toy is clearly for them, we are waiting for sanctions against China with its MANPADS
  4. makarov
    makarov 6 January 2014 11: 31
    +8
    Such a barn will be hit by a rocket out of reach of their super-super-gun, and so quickly that they won’t even be afraid.
    1. Orang
      Orang 6 January 2014 15: 05
      +10
      Quote: makarov
      Such a barn will be hit by a rocket

      They will not use the shed in the face of MANPADS.
      1. 31231
        31231 7 January 2014 13: 56
        +2
        And how do they know about the threat?
        After the first fallen ganship ?!
    2. rolik
      rolik 6 January 2014 21: 27
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      they won’t even have time to get scared.

      And they will have time to get scared, and put it in their pants)))))))))
      1. Hug
        Hug 6 January 2014 23: 42
        +4
        For this, there are KAZ from MANPADS: "MANTA", "President-S", etc.
        1. rolik
          rolik 7 January 2014 17: 01
          +1
          Quote: Kram
          For this, there are KAZ from MANPADS: "MANTA", "President-S", etc.

          Announce the cost, please, on these Pribluda)))))
          1. Impact
            Impact 7 January 2014 18: 00
            +1
            Quote: rolik
            Announce the cost, please, on these Pribluda)))))

            Cheaper than a new plane
            1. rolik
              rolik 7 January 2014 22: 13
              +1
              Quote: Impact
              Cheaper than a new plane

              Give the price, please, and do not drive the air.
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        2. 31231
          31231 8 January 2014 23: 13
          0
          And is it possible somehow more detailed on the use of KAZ on airplanes in combat conditions?
  5. Turkestan
    Turkestan 6 January 2014 11: 53
    +8
    I was always wondering why AMERICANS with extensive experience in operating aircraft-powered mobile installations suddenly began to install aircraft guns and large-caliber guns on such an aircraft as HERCULES AC-130 and place them in a rather unusual place. A platform with carriages is set, it is OBLIGATORY for observing the alignment of the aircraft in the area of ​​the center section, the place where the strongest aerodynamic, mechanical and operational loads on the fuselage act. Those who operated aircraft can confirm that cracks, deformations of power beams, frames, and skin of the aircraft always appear in these places after a certain time of operation. And what happens to the strongest lateral mechanical impacts with the AS-130 fuselage at the time of firing and recoiling with a powerful 105-mm automatic gun, one can only guess.
    The authors of the project say that the recoil force of the new automatic gun has decreased by 40%, by how much? \ At 23 mm aircraft gun recoil force of approximately 3 tons \
    1. Forget
      Forget 7 January 2014 19: 15
      0
      Quote: Turkestan
      At 23 mm aircraft gun recoil force of approximately 3 tons \

      you don’t confuse anything, 3 tons can stop the plane ....
      1. Turkestan
        Turkestan 7 January 2014 23: 00
        +2
        You do not confuse anything, 3 tons can stop the plane.

        TTD guns AM-23
        http://russianarms.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1389
        06-05-2013 23:24:02

        Recoil force with stand rigidity of 600 kg / mm for automatic and single shooting
        - in rollback - no more than 2600 kg
        - at coast - no more than 2000 kg
  6. Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 6 January 2014 12: 01
    +11
    The first "gunship" was the AC-47 Spooky, a World War II Douglas C-47 transport vehicle, equipped with three six-barreled minigun machine guns: two machine guns were installed in the portholes, and the third in the cargo door opening. However, there was an option in which, instead of three six-barreled guns, install ten Browning M-2 machine guns. The car was sent to Vietnam in 1965.
    When the NFO units acquired a large number of 37-mm and 57-mm anti-aircraft guns, including those with radar guidance, the old transporter was a tidbit for their calculations. In a short time, six AC-47 were lost over the trail. Their squadron holds a sad record in the US Air Force during the war in Indochina - the highest number of losses in relation to the number of sorties. The combat career of the American AC-47 in Indochina ended in 1969, the pilots made their last sortie on 30 on November 1969, and the surviving planes were transferred to the US allies: 18 AC-47 went to the South Vietnamese, 11 to the Royal Laos Air Force, seven more aircraft were transferred Cambodia and Thailand. According to the command of the US armed forces, between the end of 1964 and the beginning of 1969, thanks to the fire support of AC-47 aircraft, more than 6000 villages and strongholds were retained.

    The AC-47 in the sky of Vietnam was replaced by the "Ganship III" AC-119, on which four six-barreled "minigun" machine guns were installed, the ammunition for the machine guns was 31500 rounds.
    A year after the appearance of the AC-119G, the next batch of 26 vehicles entered service with the US Air Force, which received the designation AC-119K Stinger. The armament was sharply increased: two six-barreled 20 mm Vulcan cannons were added to the four "miniguns". The ammunition load was 31500 rounds for machine guns and 4500 rounds for guns. The presence of guns allowed the crew to hit the target without entering the zones of effective machine-gun fire. The losses of the AC-119 in Indochina amounted to five aircraft (two AC-119G and three AC-119K). The AC-119G, together with a pair of A-1Hs, performed the most recent combat mission in the long war. The planes tried to strike at the North Vietnamese tanks on the streets of Saigon. Gunship and one Skyrader were shot down.

    AC-119G Shadow

    AC-119K Stinger
    1. Roman 1977
      Roman 1977 6 January 2014 12: 49
      +5
      The US Air Force wanted a Ganship with increased take-off weight and flight duration, higher flight speed and powerful weapons. The C-130 Hercules military transport aircraft was chosen as the most suitable platform. It was armed with four MXU-470 modules with one "minigun" each (modules specially designed for "Gunships") and four 20mm Vulcan cannons. The aircraft was equipped with a night vision system, an analog onboard computer, a radar similar to that installed on F-104 fighters, and powerful searchlights. From the ninth aircraft, two 20-mm cannons were replaced by two 40-mm single-barreled Bofors, and the rear pair of minigans was dismantled.
      40-mm cannons were an excellent weapon against trucks, but the Viet Cong units along the Ho Chi Minh trail began to receive more and more T-54, PT-76 tanks (often tank units of the DRV army were transferred entirely to southern Vietnam), and these guns turned out to be ineffective. In addition, the Vietnamese covered their main transport artery with a large number of anti-aircraft batteries with radar guidance. To avoid losses, it became necessary to hit targets without entering the zone of dense anti-aircraft fire. Specialists from the Wright-Patterson airbase proposed several options to increase the firepower of the AS-130, including a 57-mm anti-tank gun and a 106-mm recoilless gun, but in the end they settled on a 105-mm army howitzer, which was installed instead of one Bofors in cargo door on the port side. Initially, the howitzer was fixed on board motionless, then it was installed on a special carriage with limited firing angles.
      On January 11, 1972, US intelligence spotted the first S-75 air defense system deployed in the area of ​​the Ho Chi Minh trail. Despite the danger, the Spectra continued to iron the roads, from January to March their crews were destroyed according to American data: 2782 cars and another 4553 were damaged. The reckoning came on March 31: an AS-130 armed with a 105-mm cannon was shot down by anti-aircraft guns with radar guidance. Two days later, the S-75 air defense missile system sent another AS-130 to the ground, its crew could not escape. The loss of two aircraft in two days led to the almost complete cessation of AS-130 flights over Laos and near the demilitarized zone between South and North Vietnam, where the concentration of air defense assets was especially high. We can say that on April 2, an end was put in the use of the AC-130 as a truck hunter. And soon the Vietnamese used a new formidable weapon - Strela MANPADS. On May 12, 1972, one AS-130A was hit by a shoulder-fired missile; the crew managed to reach the air base. After a short time, two more AC-130s were shot down by the Strelami. However, the Specters flew on combat missions until the very end of the war. In particular, the AC-130 took part in the sensational incident of the seizure by the Khmer Rouge of the American ship Mayaguey, sinking at least one armed boat. The last action in Vietnam, in which the heaviest "Hanships" took part, was air cover for the evacuation of Saigon and Phnom Penh.

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      2. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 6 January 2014 15: 22
        +5
        For the first time since Vietnam, the AC-130 took part in the hostilities during the invasion of Grenada, Operation Argent Fury ("Furious Fury"), on the evening of October 24, 1983, providing fire support for the landing and suppressing several MZA batteries with their guns.
        In Operation Just Koz ("Just Cause" - the invasion of Panama), the targets of the "gunships" were Torrigos / Tosamen airport, Rio Hato and Paitilla airbases, Balboa port, military barracks and a number of other objects.
        During the Gulf War from January 17 to February 27, 1991, 4 AC-130H SOFIs flew 50 sorties, flying a total of more than 280 hours. The main task of the "gunship" was to search for and destroy Scud ballistic missile launchers, as well as radar early detection of air targets. The planes were unable to perform any of these tasks. The AC-130N was involved in providing close air support for American tankers and infantry, while one vehicle was shot down by an Iraqi air defense system. All 14 crew members died, confirming the truth, known since Vietnam times, that the "ganships" have nothing to do over the battlefield saturated with air defense systems, this is not their war.
        The Ganshins also took part in Operation Return of Hope, an infamous US operation to restore peace in Somalia, carried out under the auspices of the UN. So, on June 11, 1992, three AS-130Ns attacked the positions of General Aidid in the Mogadishu area. On March 14, 1993, one AC-105H SOFI crashed due to the spontaneous detonation of a 130-mm projectile during takeoff at the Kenyan airport of Mombasa; 8 of the 14 crew members were killed.
        On the territory of the former Yugoslavia. AC-130N of the 16th squadron operated from the Italian airbase Brindisi. The aircraft were actively used over Bosnia until the air defense system began to be used. As part of Operation Allied Force, the AC-130 operated mainly over Kosovo, their targets were point mobile targets such as the Kub air defense missile system, as well as bridges and tunnels on the roads connecting Kosovo with Serbia. Already in the course of hostilities, three more "battleships" were transferred to Italy from the United States. It can be assumed that the "gunship" took over part of the tasks that the AN-64A "Apache" combat helicopters were supposed to solve.


  7. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 6 January 2014 12: 06
    +6
    Doubtful effectiveness in serious conflicts.
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  9. bazilio
    bazilio 6 January 2014 12: 23
    +14
    There have already been articles on the topvar several times, the content of which indicated that ganships, as a class of weapons, can be applicable only in the absence of serious air defense weapons at the enemy. such conditions can generally only exist when fighting partisan formations (well, or gang formations). Under certain conditions, a gunship can be a very good weapon, the only question is, what is the likelihood of such conditions occurring (even guerrillas / militants can get MANPADS). On the other hand, the beauty of the development described in this article is that with the help of a pallet and the appropriate equipment, in a couple of hours, any transporter can be "pumped" to a gunship, and then, with a slight movement of the hand, the gunship turns into an elegant transporter)) ) if pallets with a gun and equipment at prices will not bite too much, then why not stock up on a few dozen of such kits ...
    1. unclevad
      unclevad 6 January 2014 12: 34
      +4
      Conveniently, the information about the gang went, 6 hours + 2 people (the proportions can probably be changed), the transporter went to the gunship and to the cleanup. Only the support of the helicopters will not hurt while he is circling there, you never know what the "Basmachi" have on their hands.
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 6 January 2014 13: 31
        +5
        Quote: unclevad
        Only the support of the helicopters will not hurt while he is circling there, you never know what the "Basmachi" have on their hands.

        That's what it is, to guess whether the Basmachi have something like a missile defense system or not. send helicopters to catch up, so why not just work the turntables, why also pull up the gunship. Turntables (the same Mi-24) have a richer arsenal (missiles, nurs, bombs, cannons / machine guns). The only advantage of the gunship, it seems to me, is the ability to "hang" over the zone of action for a longer time, and the altitude characteristics give "invulnerability" from most machine-gun / cannon air defense systems (ZUshki, DShK, etc.)
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 6 January 2014 12: 38
      +2
      A good idea is that from a height of several kilometers you can shoot any cluster of militants with impunity.
    3. rolik
      rolik 6 January 2014 21: 30
      +3
      Quote: bazilio
      Such conditions can be mainly only when conducting battles with partisan formations (well, or gang formations)

      Well, who can guarantee that the partisans or bandits will not have MANPADS. This good, now, in bulk, and different for every taste and budget.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 9 January 2014 22: 28
        0
        Uncles, but shooting is not a problem. The problem is to find, identify, track before the start of fire contact and monitor the result. And this is a whole range of measures and devices.
  10. Clueless
    Clueless 6 January 2014 12: 23
    +10
    Such things would be in the Chechen war, cheap and cheerful (certainly cheaper than missiles)
    1. clidon
      clidon 6 January 2014 15: 06
      +3
      I also think that such "duty" air support would not hurt.
    2. Guun
      Guun 6 January 2014 16: 02
      +1
      Shot down to hell. Do you think then the Chechens had nothing but machine guns? Oh, you are mistaken. And this mistake cost so many lives of ordinary soldiers ...
      1. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 7 January 2014 20: 53
        +1
        Something for the entire period from 1993 to 2013, not one was shot down - do not exaggerate the possibility of action movies.
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  11. Turkestan
    Turkestan 6 January 2014 13: 00
    0
    Quote: Bad
    Such things would be in the Chechen war, cheap and cheerful (certainly cheaper than missiles)

    Do you think that cheap NU, NU
  12. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 6 January 2014 13: 16
    0
    First, the weapon is more powerful, then you have to hang the armor ...
    Get a flying battleship. Respectively heavier and slower.
    And really, for what? Again "the fight against terrorists"?
    Those. for shelling unarmed crowds of people - dispersal of rallies "democratically".
    Shtatniks in their repertoire.
  13. BOB48
    BOB48 6 January 2014 14: 21
    0
    to fight drug trafficking lol
  14. Zomanus
    Zomanus 6 January 2014 14: 31
    +6
    Somali pirates scare well. In general, against obyazyanki, which do not even have MANPADS.
    1. family tree
      family tree 6 January 2014 15: 24
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      Somali pirates scare well. In general, against obyazyanki, which do not even have MANPADS.

      No, it’s not against the pirates negative , they have democracy, they can get MANPADS, but against the monkeys completely, there are no MANPADS, which means there is no democracy wassat
      1. clidon
        clidon 6 January 2014 15: 38
        +4
        And who said that MANPADS shut down the use of this machine? It is possible to screw in interference stations of a non-acidic size on it and the launch range will be at the limit of range ... And its survivability is rather big.
        1. family tree
          family tree 7 January 2014 21: 08
          +2
          Needle has more than five kilometers, and they will shoot not one, but two, at least, or three. And he recognizes the pirates? Although,
          Kill everyone, the Lord recognizes his ...
          they don’t get used to it.
          1. clidon
            clidon 7 January 2014 22: 15
            0
            Well, what’s there immediately 10th. After all, we have hundreds of them for every kilometer. )))
            However, the distance will be almost extreme for a rocket - after all, ganship can work at a distance of more than 4 km. The missile will take time to approach and the car will easily have time to take action.
            And recognizes with the help of good optics. Better than attack aircraft.
  15. Saburo
    Saburo 6 January 2014 15: 36
    +9
    Well, about being "shot down with one rocket" is nothing for you. Even if we assume that the guerrilla blacks or mujahideen get some kind of relict "Arrow" or its Chinese copy and the gunship will be in the zone of its destruction, it will simply release false heat targets. But against an enemy with a more or less organized and modern air defense, they simply will not be used.
    Although, as far as I know, AC-130 was used during the Gulf War and in 2003 during the invasion, and Iraqis could vryatly complain about the lack of air defense systems.
    1. luiswoo
      luiswoo 7 January 2014 12: 48
      +5
      Why "arrow" when this good in bulk:

      On January 30 of 2005, the British C-130 was shot down by Iraqi guerrillas by ZU-23 fire

      Although the "Papuans" with such goodness quickly end, as practice shows ...
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    3. JackTheRipper
      JackTheRipper 8 January 2014 21: 42
      0
      Quote: Saburo
      then it will simply issue false thermal targets.

      Outdated Strela-2 and Strela-3 MANPADS are used for false thermal targets, and Igla MANPADS distinguishes between true and false targets.

      We read the data of the GOS MANPADS "Igla" (key points - for brevity):

      9E410 dual-channel homing head. The homing head has increased sensitivity and able to distinguish between true and false targets in the setting of artificial interference in the infrared range. For this, the GOS has two channels - the main and auxiliary.
      ...
      ...
      The GSE 9E410 switching system makes a decision according to the rule: if the signal level of the photodetector of the main channel is higher than the signal level of the auxiliary channel, then this is the goal, if on the contrary, it is an obstacle.
  16. Turkestan
    Turkestan 6 January 2014 16: 50
    +1
    And yet, where are they going to use this aircraft armed O D N O Y 30 mm rapid-fire gun. It was NOT installed in the place for the defense of the aircraft, if shooting at ground targets, then use a military transport aircraft armed with one 30 mm quick-fire gun as an attack aircraft smacks of SCHISOPHRENIA for this they have APACHI helicopters and A-10 attack aircraft.
    It’s not clear how they can carry out AIM firing in the absence of a guided carriage - platform - installation, and the whole principle of aiming is carried out by maneuvering the aircraft.
    1. Orang
      Orang 6 January 2014 20: 14
      +1
      Quote: Turkestan
      It’s not clear how they can carry out AIMS

      As with the gunship at the base of Hercules, they will stand in a circle above the target and will hammer, the weight of the volley, however, is much less.
    2. FRITZ LANG
      FRITZ LANG 7 January 2014 12: 21
      +1
      There is infa that they will use hellfire and laser-guided bombs on them.
  17. Turkestan
    Turkestan 6 January 2014 16: 59
    +1
    Quote: Saburo
    Well, about being "shot down with one rocket" is nothing for you. Even if we assume that the guerrilla blacks or mujahideen get some kind of relict "Arrow" or its Chinese copy and the gunship will be in the zone of its destruction, it will simply release false heat targets. But against an enemy with a more or less organized and modern air defense, they simply will not be used.
    Although, as far as I know, AC-130 was used during the Gulf War and in 2003 during the invasion, and Iraqis could vryatly complain about the lack of air defense systems.


    For your information in Libya, militants captured more than 25 thousand arrows and where they are now no one knows
    1. clidon
      clidon 7 January 2014 08: 09
      +6
      Most likely in the trash. For the resource of these missiles is generally not so great.
  18. Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 6 January 2014 19: 36
    +1
    For the Ministry of Internal Affairs and specialists, this would not hurt us. Well, the warriors for a couple of pieces in 1 district of identity.
  19. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 6 January 2014 21: 55
    0
    Americans are accustomed to eating this cactus in this way, and wish them continued success and achievement. Thank God we don’t have to fly across the Atlantic to drive a dozen other partisans through the desert. And for our own, we have helicopters and su-25, with nurses.
  20. Turkestan
    Turkestan 6 January 2014 22: 00
    0
    Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
    For the Ministry of Internal Affairs and specialists, this would not hurt us. Well, the warriors for a couple of pieces in 1 district of identity.


    Just a vayak has such airplanes. It is Tu-16,22,95 Il-76, An-12 with art-controlled installations
    1. Saburo
      Saburo 6 January 2014 22: 52
      +2
      Ahem ... Honestly, I can hardly imagine a Tu-22 or Il-76 which, in flight, shells ground targets from its defensive weapons. And the Tu-16 has long been withdrawn from service.
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  21. Letnab
    Letnab 7 January 2014 05: 51
    +1
    For catching poachers in the Far East and the Caspian Sea will do.
  22. Turkestan
    Turkestan 7 January 2014 14: 07
    0
    And the Tu-16 has long been withdrawn from service. [/ Quote]
    Are you sure about that
    1. creak
      creak 7 January 2014 14: 20
      +3
      The TU-16 long-range bomber and its modifications such as EW aircraft and the tanker were withdrawn from service more than 10 years ago. There was a great car at one time, but unfortunately her time was up ... I had a chance to get to know her quite close in due time ... And in the civilian version it was the famous TU-104.
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  23. darksidewarrior
    darksidewarrior 7 January 2014 23: 36
    0
    It is not clear why the so-called coarse guidance is done by the pilot and in general why it is needed. If there is a separate gun operator module, then why distract the pilot from work, and then transfer guidance control to the operator? It turns out that the operator is sleeping or sharpening chips with Akakala while the pilot, by sweat of his face, dodges enemy fire, controls the aircraft, identifies targets for destruction and makes a rough tip. At the same time, as many as two people are sitting there. That is, both are sleeping, and the pilots are overworked.
    If anyone knows how such systems work, please explain why such a complicated scheme?
    1. clidon
      clidon 8 January 2014 00: 15
      +1
      It is not clear why the so-called coarse guidance is done by the pilot and in general why it is needed.

      This is due to the specifics of the machine - the plane is in a "combat circle" over the target, which is set by the pilot.
      1. darksidewarrior
        darksidewarrior 8 January 2014 00: 18
        0
        But then it turns out that the flight path becomes predictable for enemy air defense.
        1. clidon
          clidon 8 January 2014 08: 35
          +1
          Of course. But this plane should not work in conditions of organized enemy air defense. Maximum machine guns, light guns, MANPADS.
      2. darksidewarrior
        darksidewarrior 8 January 2014 00: 18
        0
        But then it turns out that the flight path becomes predictable for enemy air defense.
  24. Krilion
    Krilion 8 January 2014 04: 14
    +2
    Quote: rolik2
    Well, with open doors, flying is still a pleasure, in general crap.


    carefully look at the top computer drawing and read the explanations to it before posting all kinds of nonsense ....
  25. Makyr
    Makyr 8 January 2014 12: 40
    +2
    A certain tendency is observed - the use of such aircraft is possible only in backward countries or under conditions of minimal counteraction of air defense systems. This is possible in Africa, in some countries of Middle Asia.
    Because Wed. Asia and Bl. Vostok are already assigned to the United States and Great Britain, then the aspirations of France can be directed only in one direction - to Africa, whose states are politically unstable, have weak armed forces, but possess natural reserves that no one has control so far.
    In this case, the preparation of France to exercise control over African countries is obvious.
  26. likurg1
    likurg1 9 January 2014 01: 06
    0
    ganship for PMC))
  27. smart ass
    smart ass 9 January 2014 06: 37
    -1
    another means of democratizing society
  28. Su-9
    Su-9 9 January 2014 07: 09
    0
    It can easily be used against all saboteurs. For example, they are somewhere in the forest. They flew up. By IFC exposure found. Fired - for 30mm trees are not a problem. Those who survived or hid - raised combing group. Again fired. Well, that’s it ...