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Unusual gun USFA ZiP .22LR

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Unusual gun USFA ZiP .22LR

US Fire Arms (USFA) is primarily known for its high-quality single-action revolvers.


However, manufacturers decided to launch a new brand on the market. His name is ZiPFactory.

The first product under this brand is a ZiP pistol chambered for .22LR. The body is almost completely plastic, except for steel heads of bolts on the left side and the reflection of the barrel inside the outlet.

The design is very unusual. There are many questions. How to keep it right? Where is the trigger? What are these things on the front of the gun?


The shutter is inside the frame. When you hold the gun, your hand covers the shutter at the back. The axis of the bore is level with the top of your palm. In this way, it was possible to level off the barrel toss, although for the .22LR caliber this was never a problem.

Although the plastic shutter is hidden inside, reloading is done outside. Instead of a reloading handle, such as, for example, in the Ruger 10 / 22 semi-automatic rifles, the manufacturer brought the two platoon handles out, directly above the muzzle cut.

The longer handle is called the ZiP LOAD. When you click on it, the bolt captures the first cartridge from the store, and when you remove your finger, sends it to the chamber.


The one that is shorter is called the ZiP RESTRIKE. When pressed, she cocks the drummer without grabbing the next cartridge from the magazine. Theoretically, this would be useful in the event of a misfire, when you need to cock a drummer with a cartridge located in the chamber.

Remember that a platoon of a drummer with a cartridge means that your fingers will be near the cut of the trunk. When snacking the liner, the same situation cannot be fixed.

Hold this gun is quite convenient. The angle between the axis of the handle and the axis of the trunk is right. The loop into which the middle finger is inserted helps to hold the gun when you do not press on a very tight trigger, the stroke of which is clearly audible and noticeable. The trigger force is approximately 5,4 kg.

The sight is simple, consists of black plastic squares on the rear sight and front sight, without points. Although the fly and could be painted white.


The ridge of this gun is customization and upgrade. By removing the top bar, you can put the ZiPPIC (Picatinny Plank) bar on it, ZiPNite Rail (allows you to set the sight from Glock), ZiPSBR Rail (allows you to attach your ZiP to another arms).

You can also install a BattleZiP Survival SBR Stock butt, a threaded barrel for mounting a silencer, or many other accessories. The plans even more options for customization.


The unusual appearance of the pistol and the need to put fingers under the barrel from time to time in a compartment with little reliability do not add advantages to this weapon. Even after installing the Upgrade Kit Version 1.0.1 gun does not indulge reliability.

Included are 2 return springs: hard and soft, which allow you to customize the gun for a specific type of ammunition. Due to the light weight of parts performing reciprocating movements, the coefficient of elasticity of the spring plays a very important role.


Due to the fact that the bolt returns to its original position faster than the store manages to submit the next cartridge, the liner often occurs. Only BX-1 10 cartridges are suitable for the pistol. Due to the high speed of the shutter, more capacious stores do not have time to feed cartridges.

The manufacturer promises to soon release a set of springs with improved characteristics, which will solve the problem.

The gun shoots surprisingly accurate. The barrel length of 5.25 inches well does its job. The gun has a huge potential, it is accurate and you get pleasure when shooting. It is easy to upgrade, it is not expensive, but the problem of sleeves sleeves is still relevant.



Specifications:
Caliber: .22 LR
Frame: Polymer
Sight: black plastic, without points
Accessories: Picatinny rail, glock adapter and much more
Barrel length: 5.25 inches
Gun length: 19,6 cm.
Weight without ammunition: 430 gr.
Shop: All BX-1 Ruger 10 / 22 Stores are suitable.

Price: no store / with store $ 199 / $ 219.
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  1. makarov
    makarov 28 December 2013 08: 02
    +11
    Here are the kurva and perverts !! It’s not possible to shoot himself with such a shit !!
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    2. luiswoo
      luiswoo 28 December 2013 14: 40
      0
      Yes, for this you need 5,7x28 at least:

      The mattresses, however, complain that the expensive cartridge hurts - the box, like half of this self-shoot, is worth it, if sclerosis does not change.
      What prevented making a separate firing unit of metal, as in Parabelum or AN-94, is not clear. Now to shoot from it even at the banks - only spoil the nerves ...
      1. vanaheym
        vanaheym 29 December 2013 05: 25
        0
        Quote: luiswoo
        Mattresses, however, complain that an expensive cartridge hurts - a box, like half of this self-shoot, is worth it, if sclerosis does not change

        60 cents per cartridge, $ 30 per box. In addition, Americans are quite actively reloading rare or expensive ammunition.
        1. luiswoo
          luiswoo 29 December 2013 19: 54
          -1
          Box on 500 rounds, average 400 $
          Smaller volumes do not seem to be popular.
          http://www.gunbroker.com/57x28/Browse.aspx?Keywords=5.7x28
          Although I'm lying, there are boxes of 4 pounds from 150 $. How much is in pieces - do not understand, consider laziness.
    3. Astrey
      Astrey 28 December 2013 20: 38
      0
      Vvbscheto - a unit for bodyguards as a second barrel for representatives of personal protection. For female bodyguards leading the body in "stealth mode". The whole rzhach is an indicator of weapon culture.
      1. anomalocaris
        anomalocaris 28 December 2013 20: 56
        +5
        Again by. There is a mass of normal, small-sized units for adequate cartridges and with normal operating characteristics, which would also carry this claw.
        1. Astrey
          Astrey 29 December 2013 22: 36
          +2
          Quote: anomalocaris
          Again by.

          Convinced. We confess. This device is intended for the CONCEPTUAL definition of "is it possible even like this."

          And for criminals. Next year, the company will release a model to combat criminals armed with this year's model.

          P.S. A criminal with such a device until the last moment will not be identified as armed.
          1. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris 30 December 2013 15: 24
            0
            Well, then you are a fan of Suprematism ... A copy of the "black square" on your main wall?
      2. vanaheym
        vanaheym 29 December 2013 05: 32
        +3
        What are bodyguards with .22LR?
        1. Astrey
          Astrey 29 December 2013 15: 27
          +1
          Quote: vanaheym
          vanaheym Today, 05:32 ↑
          What are bodyguards with .22LR?


          Highly specialized. Disguised. Miniature.
          Secondary weapon, secondary bodyguard, secondary person, in a secondary country.

          Or - a marketing move for formal expansion of the assortment.
          1. the47th
            the47th 30 December 2013 09: 45
            -1
            With such a caliber of cartridges, there is not enough to protect someone. 22LR reliably stops an attacker only in the event of a fatal wound to the head or heart, and even then not always. 9mm Kel-Tec'and more reliable option.
  2. misterwulf
    misterwulf 28 December 2013 08: 11
    +2
    Star Wars, damn it! :)
    1. GastaClaus69
      GastaClaus69 28 December 2013 16: 22
      0
      No, in Star Wars there was a make-up old man C96.
      1. anomalocaris
        anomalocaris 28 December 2013 16: 26
        +2
        Not only. Sterling, Lewis, MG-34, and even Margolin were noted there. repeat Saved, miser.
  3. alex-cn
    alex-cn 28 December 2013 08: 26
    +7
    Futuristic toy. And the weight is large for plastic, the pulling force is 5,4 kg, like a bad revolver, there is no reliability, but the store is interesting for its compactness. Perhaps it is of interest as a concept, but I doubt it.
    The only thing - until you start shooting for weapons they will not be accepted.
    Last photo: Take a closer look at the inscription on the cap.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 28 December 2013 10: 27
      +4
      this should be fixed to the cap (no one will think that it shoots)
  4. Same lech
    Same lech 28 December 2013 08: 26
    +1
    Funny toy.
  5. Volodya Sibiryak
    Volodya Sibiryak 28 December 2013 09: 03
    +6
    I have one question, why so ugly?
  6. makarov
    makarov 28 December 2013 09: 15
    +2
    Quote: Volodya Sibiryak
    I have one question, why so ugly?


    With fat Volodya !! with fat and stupidity!
  7. anomalocaris
    anomalocaris 28 December 2013 09: 33
    +6
    Insanity grew stronger, the trees bent ...
    The only purpose of this unit is spin dough.
  8. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 28 December 2013 09: 51
    +6
    It seems that over the hill went on to design small arms on a modular basis.
    Although this thing is not perfect yet, I think these ideas will continue to move forward.
    I liked the fact that this gun can be fixed as an additional barrel on an assault rifle or by attaching your own butt to use as a small compact carbine (which means that in the future this weapon will receive a larger caliber and automatic fire mode and it can be used as a gun -gun), as well as use as an independent weapon with the ability to install additional sights (and silencer in the future).
    The result is a lightweight, compact rifle complex that fits in a single soldier’s backpack.

    Something like that (IMHO) wink
    1. m262
      m262 28 December 2013 15: 15
      +4
      My opinion is that the weapon is complete nonsense, did you ever get stuck in the ejector window when firing from a margolin or 35m izha? How to get it out of this "device"? The caliber 22 LR rifle is generally finished ... I would have understood 12 gauge with 3-round buckshot. How to pull this pribluda out of your pocket so as not to tear your clothes? What for is the butt of a short-barreled "small"?
      Sludge (IMHO) wink
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 28 December 2013 19: 53
        0
        As far as I understand, this is a weapon for testing the idea of ​​such a complex and is a product for testing.
        Everything else I said above.
      2. ddd1975
        ddd1975 30 December 2013 06: 12
        0
        Includes a screwdriver and a set of screws ...
  9. Averias
    Averias 28 December 2013 10: 09
    +8
    The near future - Special Forces in the forests of a hostile country - A three-story mat distributed in the silence of the forest - these are fighters squatting near their backpacks - they are trying to assemble from the modules with which their backpacks are packed - at least something that could shoot - but there is no instruction. LEGO steers laughing
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 28 December 2013 10: 27
      +26
      Quote: Averias
      The Near Future - Special Forces in the forests of a hostile country

      Yes, we went through all this in childhood.
      1
    2. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 28 December 2013 10: 44
      0
      Weapons are collected before the mission (and not during its execution), in conditions acceptable for this.
      In addition, if you carefully looked at the photographs then you should have seen that it does not take a lot of time and a lot of mind to install additional equipment (even a 5-year-old child can do this).
      1. Averias
        Averias 28 December 2013 10: 57
        +4
        Quote: wanderer_032
        Weapons are collected before the mission (and not during its execution)


        Yes, I actually neighing, for the Saturday, holiday mood. And you are specific. Who argues that? With my eyes closed and in any condition, I will collect what I had the experience of handling.

        PS And at the expense of the assembly before the task, I do not agree. Now the special forces have an option with two interchangeable barrels (short distance and sniper fire), the change occurs during the operation, also applies to the body kit. When moving in the forest (march to the point), why put electronics on the trunk (a fragile thing). Therefore, the trunk is completed immediately before the task, when the disposition is clearly understood and during it. And also during the departure, if there are problems (assault mode and defensive). So I wrote about this: Forest - Special Forces - mat during assembly before execution (and ento what a fig, commander - you need to grind a tsap, tsapu) wink
        1. Averias
          Averias 28 December 2013 11: 22
          +1
          Quote: Averias
          PS And at the expense of the assembly before the task, I do not agree.

          More truly, I do not quite agree.
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 28 December 2013 20: 41
            0
            Agree that in such units and squinting do not take.
            Quite reasonable guys serve there.
      2. anomalocaris
        anomalocaris 28 December 2013 12: 04
        +8
        Well, why the heck is a goat button accordion?
        All the cries about the coolness of modular weapons come either from manufacturers (because, ceteris paribus, the rate of return for the manufacturer will be significantly higher), or from couch special forces outplayed in the Doom. I explain why.
        For the army, such systems are completely hopeless because a soldier does not fight alone. The unit also has a certain set of weapons, which forms a more or less balanced system that allows you to solve most problems on the battlefield. There are specially trained specialists, for example, a sniper, grenade launcher, machine gunner, etc. with the appropriate weapons, there is an extras in the form of machine gunners. Naturally, any fighter should be able to use any type of weapon available in the unit. But only that. If you give the fighter the most sophisticated high-precision rifle in his hands, this will not make him a sniper. Hence the conclusion: in the army, modular units are unnecessary. On the contrary, specialized systems sharpened for specific tasks are needed, possibly unified, but not to the detriment of the basic properties.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 28 December 2013 13: 47
          0
          Quote: anomalocaris
          But only that. If you give the fighter the most sophisticated high-precision rifle in his hands, this will not make him a sniper.

          But still increase his chances of hitting a target ...
          concerning modularity there are such rifles like the same SCAR or NK-416 with NK-417 in which the same barrel changes easily changes in the field ...
          1. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris 28 December 2013 14: 50
            +2
            Not too much. Shooting is an art, and one, albeit a wonderful tool, is not enough to become a virtuoso.
            At the same AUG-77, the trunk (namely the trunk, and not the upper part of the receiver) changes even easier. Only here the hitch, in the vast majority of cases, this unit is used with only one, average barrel length of 508 mm. Not only that, kits were developed and produced that modified it in the PP and machine gun, but they remained not very popular.
            As for SCAR and others like it, in one caliber these conversion kits are still somehow justified, but only for urban special forces, everything else is from the evil one. In fact, carrying one more unit of small arms with ammunition is possible only in computer shooting.
          2. the47th
            the47th 30 December 2013 09: 53
            +1
            Quote: PSih2097
            concerning modularity there are such rifles like the same SCAR or NK-416 with NK-417 in which the same barrel changes easily changes in the field ...

            No fighter in his right mind and sober memory will carry a spare barrel with him. This is an extra, often useless weight. And the modularity of a weapon is an increase in cost, a decrease in reliability. An experienced fighter will be able to hit the target at almost any distance using a standard rifle.
        2. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 28 December 2013 20: 29
          +1
          Such complexes are useful only to scouts and saboteurs, and not to everyone without exception.
          These subdivisions have such a "specificity of work" that they need a set of "tools" on the principle of carrying everything with me.
          There is no need for infantry.
          1. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris 28 December 2013 20: 45
            +5
            Neither scouts nor saboteurs will be useful to them either. And just because of the specifics of the work. In a reconnaissance raid, the main cargo will be surveillance and communications equipment. In sabotage - means of destruction corresponding to the goal. In both cases, small arms are mainly a means of defense and last chance. Believe me, if the RDG is detected and localized, with a probability of 90% it will be destroyed. Rambas are only in the movies.
            Especially for reconnaissance, very effective shooting systems have been developed and are being developed, which will not be replaced by any "transformer". And even more so presented in the article.
            1. wanderer_032
              wanderer_032 31 December 2013 18: 42
              0
              The final point in this dispute will be either the development of such weapons systems, or a complete rejection of them.
              But it will only be visible after a while.
              Wait and see what happens next.
  10. Silent
    Silent 28 December 2013 10: 10
    0
    Well, why? The gun is accurate enough, inexpensive, interesting as a concept and an additional weapon that can be hung on something. No one forces him to be used as a service weapon.
    1. m262
      m262 28 December 2013 15: 24
      +6
      For example, to visit a slingshot, but what, suddenly the glass in the school does not break through the ball from the bearing;)))
  11. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 28 December 2013 10: 15
    +10
    Yes ... This is not shitty science fiction, but fantastic shit! To charge, you need to send a cartridge with one handle and cock the drummer with the second belay In short, some kind of technical curiosity. And ergonomics are generally tin!
    What did the creators smoke? Maybe they have never seen a weapon?
    A separate talk about modularity. Why the hell on the forearm of a rifle to hook a caliber pistol under a small pen? especially since it doesn’t aim to shoot! negative
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 28 December 2013 10: 38
      +1
      Why the hell on the forearm of a rifle to hook a caliber pistol under a small pen? especially since it doesn’t aim to shoot!

      If you carefully looked at the pictures, then there is the possibility of installing the LTC.
      If you put a silencer, you can silently remove the target at a short distance (for reconnaissance and special forces, a good option), without having to do a lot of unnecessary gestures (the silent gun on the forearm of the main weapon is fixed) and therefore do everything quickly. Here's an example for you. ( IMHO)
      1. m262
        m262 28 December 2013 15: 29
        -1
        Put a silencer, and the best laser in silence and darkness to look for the head of the sentry, now I think the LDC (shooting reconnaissance knife), all the same, a brilliant invention !!!
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 28 December 2013 20: 07
          -1
          To get the LDCs to aim and shoot (or throw the blade), you need to make several movements (remove the main weapon or remove the hand from the main weapon, get the knife, point it at the target, press the shutter, but here only aim and press the shutter.
          Who can hit the target faster?
          In the modern battle, whoever is faster and more accurate is alive and defeated, and whoever is slower is dead and lost.
          The sights can also be set up differently (either a collimator on the side of the forearm, or an open sight with phosphorus dots in the same place).
          And with the modern development of technology in general, you can put one sight, with switching to different modes on the receiver.
          Caliber dop.stvola can be done more seriously.
          1. m262
            m262 28 December 2013 20: 47
            +2
            That's right, but you can cut knives with lump and slice, and carry this "fool" with very dubious combat capabilities, because of the possible removal of the sentry + cartridges for her, I'm sorry, I don't understand. Now in service there are a lot of types of silent weapons and PBSs for standard weapons.
          2. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris 28 December 2013 20: 48
            +2
            And why get LDCs, eali in the hands of the AU or BCC?
  12. Owl
    Owl 28 December 2013 10: 57
    +5
    For "work" on "soft targets" (without armor protection) indoors without possible ricochets? Rave. Unreliable "toy" for those who have seen enough of action movies and science fiction? Perhaps ... I sometimes do not understand the various "inventors" of "bicycles with triangle wheels".
  13. Dezot
    Dezot 28 December 2013 11: 04
    +2
    A toy no more. The picture with the butt and the attachment for the automatic machine smiled especially. This small-caliber misunderstanding will not become a machine gun from an overhead butt, and it is more useful to attach anything in the form of a hinge, but not this pistol. Yes, and the approach of the developers liked it - "We invented a pistol. True, it is unfinished and often wedges. But in the future you can spend the money again, buy a set of springs and finish what we could not do." American divorce good
  14. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 28 December 2013 11: 51
    +2
    Remember the "device for accurate shooting", which our Soviet officials senselessly missed and did not develop? Well, whose barrel was sticking out from under the middle finger? It was very strange ... and unmatchedly comfortable and accurate.
    This sloppy with an arched magazine ... you can take it only with your index finger along the trunk, otherwise it will not lie in the hand at all. Something reminds, no? The barrel of the gun will still shift to the center of the fist. This is the best position for shooting from a short barrel. Now there is a machine park and CAD, allowing you to implement any, absolutely any design decisions. So far, they have not done this simply because of the general decline in intelligence.
    As always, we lost our priority, did not develop anything, we forgot everything. Just about to have to rush to catch up, again, again, be it all three times cursed! What is it ...
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 28 December 2013 12: 40
      +15
      Quote: Mikhail3
      This sloppiness with an arched magazine ... you can take it only with your index finger along the trunk, otherwise it will not lie in your hand at all. Something reminds, no?


      But what about ....
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  15. uzer 13
    uzer 13 28 December 2013 12: 26
    +2
    A strong return spring and a 22LR cartridge are not the best technical solution. The same can be said for futuristic design and ergonomics are not the best combination. Weapon handling safety is not ensured constructively.
  16. kafa
    kafa 28 December 2013 12: 35
    +7
    shooting stapler winked and lego let them even clog laughing
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  17. ko88
    ko88 28 December 2013 12: 54
    +1
    human thought is limitless.
    1. Vasek
      Vasek 31 December 2013 22: 26
      0
      Quote: ko88
      human thought is limitless.

      Mysterious and unpredictable! laughing fellow wassat
  18. mountain
    mountain 28 December 2013 13: 06
    +2
    No matter how they go out of steam, they cannot create Kalashnikov.
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 28 December 2013 18: 49
      +5
      Quote: mountain
      They can’t create Kalashnikov.

      How can you re-create what is already created. Exactly sons our famous designers Kalashnikov and Dragunov.
      9-mm submachine gun PP-19 "Bison-2" under the standard pistol cartridge 9x18 PM, with its modifications.
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      1. poquello
        poquello 28 December 2013 23: 37
        +1
        this one is prettier
        http://www.megasword.ru/index.php?pg=329
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 29 December 2013 00: 14
          +4
          Also nothing "bullet". With that "stapler" that in the subject and can not be compared. Competently posted, light, roomy store, but still a spare as a shoulder rest.
          Well, I also like AEK-19 "Kashtan". Even purely visual. Without any "concepts", * hey, you mean some kind of "modified tentacle" ...
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          This one is also "auger". PP-90M1. Without a hitch.
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          1. poquello
            poquello 29 December 2013 01: 07
            +3
            Quote: Ptah
            ... * oh, you mean by some kind of "modified tentacle" ...
            .

            Now, now everything is clear - the Americans are preparing weapons for aliens, or this device will be mounted on the forearm.
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            2. Ptah
              Ptah 29 December 2013 01: 20
              +2
              Not otherwise, again some alien claw was unearthed in Nevada. So they are preparing a contract for the supply of wunderwaffles.
              Let's sum up. In one day on the topic boobshapalok fully disclosed!
              Even for some reason they made a giant alcohol meter - what
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      3. mountain
        mountain 29 December 2013 13: 58
        0
        Ptah. He has no simplicity, reliability and quality in the world. That's what I meant. And minus you are not me, but put a genius. ((((
        1. Ptah
          Ptah 29 December 2013 16: 22
          0
          Valera! Are you, dear?
          I did not put you minuses. I did not refute your words with my post, but only ADDED! hi
          On the contrary, now I went into the profile and threw fifty points (as much as I can ...). If this is so important. drinks
          1. mountain
            mountain 29 December 2013 17: 11
            +1
            Ptah! Sorry. I just can’t understand, or they set a great architect for me.
            1. Ptah
              Ptah 29 December 2013 18: 01
              +2
              It seems that neither the first nor the second. Maybe sometime before someone bitten and that opponent, with despicable revenge, went over your posts and instructed "-". Without even reading.
              Ignore you, please. Believe me, this is such an insignificant factor in life.
              Think about the New Years Eve. With the coming you and your loved ones!
              1. mountain
                mountain 29 December 2013 23: 42
                +1
                Thank you for supporting both you and your family with the upcoming. And that would be all that you dream come true, good luck, happiness, health. See you on the Internet. wink
        2. Silent
          Silent 30 December 2013 15: 03
          0
          I set the minus for you, I didn’t try to argue with a genius, especially since his machine gun is really the greatest in the second half of the 20th century. Just what does the Kalashnikov rifle have to do with it? Weapons of a completely different purpose and type. Why remember about AK in each topic simply because something needs to be said.
          As for AK, then in the USA it has been produced by a Bulgarian company for a long time, so in a sense, it has been created there for a long time. Yes, and Americans have a lot of their cool developments in terms of small arms. Remember at least Browning.
  19. Taoist
    Taoist 28 December 2013 13: 41
    +4
    It is already under 3 that the toys are being developed for printing ... I printed it, went shooting ... threw it ...
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 28 December 2013 13: 49
      0
      Quote: Taoist
      Printed, went shooting ... threw ...

      not a fact ... there was an article about the M1911, which has a resource of over 500 shots.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 28 December 2013 13: 49
      -1
      Quote: Taoist
      Printed, went shooting ... threw ...

      not a fact ... there was an article about the M1911, which has a resource of over 500 shots.
  20. Kir
    Kir 28 December 2013 18: 41
    +2
    For example, it’s interesting in me, but doesn’t pretend to have a Guinness record or a patent for one that has no analogues and others ?, it painfully looks like the desire to stake out the first, and then ......, but what difference does the main thing print in History, and finance tossed on another unparalleled .......
    1. poquello
      poquello 28 December 2013 23: 34
      +1
      Quote: Kir
      For example, it’s interesting in me, but doesn’t pretend to have a Guinness record or a patent for one that has no analogues and others ?, it painfully looks like the desire to stake out the first, and then ......, but what difference does the main thing print in History, and finance tossed on another unparalleled .......

      I agree, it’s either a Kunstkamera or a pursuit of a patent
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  21. kadette150
    kadette150 29 December 2013 03: 05
    +4
    Dear author, please speak Russian. There was already an article on the site ... And your "customization" is repeated three times, and the "upgrade" does not paint a patriot.
    1. Alex_Popovson
      Alex_Popovson 29 December 2013 14: 47
      -2
      How do you translate the word "customization"? Wee is probably one of those Slavophiles who are trying to introduce their concepts even into world terminology? You should not attack the author because of the abundance of seemingly unpatriotic vocabulary
  22. samara46
    samara46 29 December 2013 14: 09
    +4
    Guys, a little off topic, but QUESTION to everyone. Let's figure it out. It seemed to me that on this site not everything is as friendly as it might seem.
    The crux of the matter. Earlier, I have already registered here under the nickname ZUB46. However, after 15.12.13/955/XNUMX, in my commentary on the article "A world without heroes. Submarine missile carriers pr.XNUMX" Borey "made it possible to notice the excessive frankness of the authors of some comments to the article under discussion from the point of view of the secrecy regime, I lost the opportunity for further participation on this site. ”I slightly touched the subject of compliance with the regime earlier.
    That is, since then I can read everything, but commenting, putting pros and cons, the opportunity is completely gone. Cleaning cookies, installing the Chrome browser, and so on, did not give any results. What could it be? Did someone turn me off for calling me to be more careful with information? Who benefits from this?
    I was forced to re-register in order to convey this message to you. Hello everyone.
  23. mountain
    mountain 29 December 2013 17: 04
    +1
    Quote: Ptah
    Valera! Are you, dear?
    I did not put you minuses. I did not refute your words with my post, but only ADDED! hi
    On the contrary, now I went into the profile and threw fifty points (as much as I can ...). If this is so important. drinks

    Sincerely, I regret that I didn’t address that. I just don’t understand, they put me or a great architect. Ptah, sorry.))))
  24. lexx2038
    lexx2038 29 December 2013 17: 30
    +2
    Some garbage. It’s just that the brow was lying around: the old radio receiver, a little stem from something, all sorts of springs, it was a pity to throw out, there was nothing to do, and apparently used it the day before. In general, all sorts of sculptures-monsters are welded from scrap metal, and this is probably also a kind of art, it is not known where to put it, but what a flight of thought!
    1. Ptah
      Ptah 29 December 2013 17: 48
      +3
      Quote: lexx2038
      also a kind of art, where to insert it is not known, but what a flight of thought!

      What is not bad. homo faber - translated from Latin as "Creative man". "Our people", by the way, is far ahead of the entire planet. ON THE FLIGHT OF THOUGHT and "manual itching" incl.
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      But are we talking about a firearm? You are welcome -
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      And it’s possible with a larger caliber
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      1. anomalocaris
        anomalocaris 29 December 2013 17: 52
        +1
        Only here for such an itch of five will draw a light ...
  25. ddd1975
    ddd1975 30 December 2013 06: 16
    -1
    This is complete nonsense ... along the way in the skolkovo idea drooped.
    1. Kir
      Kir 30 December 2013 06: 40
      -1
      Yes, not sooner when they have a tama bummer with this ...... happen, but it cannot but happen, so if we didn’t try to foist her under the guise of super through how many times, since this village is just a transshipment, the base and at the same time the center for the "gifted", working on the principle of us the best in return from the ted lying around.
  26. Vasek
    Vasek 31 December 2013 22: 46
    -1
    Serdyukov was removed in time, otherwise these "miracles" would have been taken into service!
    wassat (like wheeled tanks, for example!) wassat
  27. 310815
    310815 5 January 2014 00: 26
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    Why is it born ??? it's like giving birth to a one-legged cat voluntarily - and it’s a pity to kill and it’s painful to watch