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China about the collapse of the USSR

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China about the collapse of the USSR



From the speeches at the conference on the 90 anniversary of the CPC


The conference demonstrated that the problems of the destruction of the USSR are comprehensively and most carefully studied by scientists of the PRC.
Chinese scientists emphasize that the withdrawal of the Soviet Union from the world stage became a tragedy for the Russian people, led to the disintegration of the whole system of socialist countries, and significantly worsened the situation of the peoples of all developing countries.

Most speakers pointed to Gorbachev’s treacherous activities as the decisive subjective factor in the destruction of a great country. It was noted that biased assessments of the Stalin period stories The Soviet Union under Khrushchev extremely hurt socialist construction, became one of the prerequisites for the deployment of the anti-communist campaign in the Soviet Union during the "perestroika". Researchers from the PRC proceed from the fact that the collapse of the USSR is not a consequence of the ineffectiveness of socialism, but of defects in its development. To summarize, in general terms, the output of Chinese experts is as follows: The Soviet Union destroyed the dogmatism, which especially began to flourish in the seventies and eighties. Because of this, they “overslept”, roughly speaking, the scientific and technological revolution, which could not but affect the general approach to economic development. And then the country jumped to the other extreme, moved to abandon socialism, from Marxism. The result is obvious today.

During the conference in Beijing, it was emphasized that the polarization of wealth and poverty is increasing in the world. Social security mechanisms are degrading. The hegemonism of the United States is extremely negative for the modern world order. It was especially emphasized that the collapse of the USSR was one of the reasons for the current global financial and economic crisis. In the coming decades, developing countries will inevitably be subjected to pressure from leading world powers. But at the same time, the potential of the developing world, to which researchers from China are referred to among other countries of China, Vietnam, Cuba, and Laos, is growing. Important global trends towards 2050 can seriously change the picture of the modern world.

Taking into account the sad events of the "cultural revolution" in China, the political and economic catastrophe in the USSR and in the socialist countries of Europe, the CCP concluded: we must know our history well, we must rely on the best in it, correct mistakes and imbalances, but look to the future , to carry out a serious comprehensive modernization. This approach allowed us to really modernize the industry, education, introduce high technologies and, as a result, get a tremendous, visible effect to the whole world today.

In the period of “reforms and openness”, socialist modernization, we opened the path of socialism with Chinese characteristics and created a system of socialist market economy, significantly increasing the country's aggregate power and the level of people's welfare.

These fundamentally changed the perspective and fate of the Chinese people. Currently, the CPC implements the concept of scientific development and promotes socialist economic, political, cultural, environmental and party building, fights for the implementation of the 12 Five-Year Program, building a prosperous society and implementing the great renaissance of the Chinese nation. History and practice have shown that without the CCP there would be no new China, there would be no socialism with Chinese characteristics. The key to all challenges in China is holding the party.

Very characteristic of Chinese socialism, for the style of leadership of the party in the country, is a self-critical analysis. He is convincing both in the writings of Deng Xiaoping, and in the present political reality of the PRC. The merit of Deng Xiaoping is that, after returning from exile, he did not fight the past. On the contrary. He set the task of connecting what was good in the past, what should evolve, with innovations while at the same time abandoning dogmatism. In 1981, the CPC’s attitude toward Mao Zedong’s place in the history of the party and the country was officially revised. It was highlighted that it is an absolute value, and that which pulls back, which the party must give up.

If we talk about modern China, then, of course, with all the problems and contradictions discussed here, the greatest successes of a great state should be considered the most important. Any specialist who often travels to China by the nature of his work sees how the country is changing before our very eyes. The most important fact: the largest people in the world in a historically short period basically came out of poverty and rapidly out of poverty.
Of fundamental importance was the abolition of the agricultural tax on farmers in 2006 year. But this tax has existed for two thousand years in China! Why abolished this old tax? At the end of the twentieth century, the leadership of the CPC came to the conclusion: the industry was created mainly at the expense of the village - now it is time to pay debts to the peasants. Now the state has turned its face to the peasant. The task is to develop a new socialist village, to solve the problems of the peasantry in the first place. It is indicative that compulsory free nine-year education for peasant children has been introduced, and a great deal of work is being done on creating pension insurance in the countryside. There was no such thing in China before! Now the appropriate funds are allocated. For European countries, this is all customary; for Russia, Soviet times were familiar. And for China, these are fundamental innovations that affect the fate of hundreds of millions of people.

Now, both in Russia and in other countries, Sinologists argue about what constitutes the Chinese model. It seems, the scientist said, that thirty years of sustainable development speak for themselves: the country has continuously developed during this period. The idea of ​​development was put at the forefront of all politics. Deng Xiaoping said: development is a categorical imperative. For three decades, a great state has been actively increasing its cumulative power. And this is quite a long time to say: a new development model unprecedented in the world is being formed in China. Yes, there is a lot of controversial, many problems and contradictions. But this is really, something fundamentally new that is happening before our eyes, the scientist summarized.
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  1. dark_65
    dark_65 28 December 2013 06: 45
    +9
    Unseen, but on the contrary, seen already, but not completed in the USSR, after the death of Stalin.
    1. Canep
      Canep 28 December 2013 07: 28
      +19
      Lucky the Chinese, they have a good example of how to not rule the country. Asians in general, and Chinese in particular, are very smart people, and I hope they can learn from the mistakes of others.
      1. Airman
        Airman 28 December 2013 09: 03
        +5
        Quote: Canep
        Lucky the Chinese, they have a good example of how to not rule the country. Asians in general, and Chinese in particular, are very smart people, and I hope they can learn from the mistakes of others.


        So they study! In China, too, there is not a homogeneous ethnic composition. What the XUAR (Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region) is worth is our Caucasus, but there they put things in order.
        1. 222222
          222222 28 December 2013 14: 06
          +3
          PUSHNIK (2) SU Today, 09:03 ↑
          "This is how they learn! In China, too, the ethnic composition is not homogeneous .."
          1. a heterogeneous national composition is important .. This is an internal factor .. But there is also an external one .. the United States began to implement a new Asia-Pacific strategy, where China is the main rival for them .. Although the trade turnover between them exceeds 500 billion greens At the same time, the deficit The United States in trade with China reached $ 2012 billion in 315, a never-before-high level of $ 3 billion. Currently, the annual human exchange of the two countries reaches 110 million entries and exits, 2011 passenger flights fly between the two shores of the Pacific Ocean every week, at the beginning of 120, 20 thousand Chinese studied in the United States, over 1,3 thousand Americans studied in China .. On the other hand, As of July this year, China owns US bonds worth at least $ XNUMX trillion. And this is without taking into account the intermediary capital. .. "
          1. 222222
            222222 28 December 2013 14: 11
            +2
            PUSHNIK (2) SU Today, 09:03 ↑
            "This is how they learn! In China, too, the ethnic composition is not homogeneous .."
            2. The most dangerous, according to the experience of the collapse of the USSR, is an internal factor .. Namely, the rebirth of the top officials of the party and state officials. The erosion of socialism from the inside, followed by its collapse and return to capitalism ..
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 28 December 2013 17: 10
              +3
              Quote: 222222
              the most dangerous, according to the experience of the collapse of the USSR, is an internal factor .. Namely, the degeneration of the top officials of the party and state officials. The erosion of socialism from the inside, followed by its collapse and return to capitalism ..

              Caused by the lack of control of the authorities.
      2. A.YARY
        A.YARY 28 December 2013 09: 43
        +2
        The CPC body is decisive and adamant in a situation of danger.
        They tried to get angry "dissolve" into "democracy" and "freedom". They did not get scared and answered with tanks and arrests with subsequent executions!
        Keep it up!
        http://www.daokedao.ru/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/navek05.jpg
      3. hrych
        hrych 28 December 2013 10: 16
        +4
        Yes, the Chinese were so lucky with the Chiang Kai-shek revolutions, the Japanese intervention, the Mao dictatorship, with the coulutor revolutions, that if they did not breed like mice, they would die out. What the Russian people experienced in the 20th century by building the USSR is a terrible horror, but what happened in China, the Russians with their birth rate simply would not have been able to do with such a teaching on "other people's mistakes" and would disappear from the world arena, but these are nothing, laid eggs and forward. Even in the collapse of the Socialist world (not only its core, the USSR), the PRC itself is primarily to blame, when it broke away from it, concluding a deal with the Golden Billion and starting to feed it with cheap slave labor. And you thought the high standard of living of the middle class is provided with what? After World War II, Korea, Cuba, etc., the Earth is stupid defeated socialism on all continents and, above all, his social sphere. So the "golden billion" with a terrible cap. a system where the slave himself fed himself, also paid taxes and went to hard labor at his own expense, rebuilt so that the middle class began to live very dignifiedly and received social services and a way of life many times superior in social services. camp and even fun. According to the formula "bread and circuses", in the social. there was bread in the camp, but there was a problem with the spectacles. So all this is in the "golden billion" due to the completely slave labor of a billion Chinese, whom Mao and Deng provided to the West. If you look at it, the USSR collapsed because of the PRC and the VCRs (traditionally bungled by narrow-eyed), which showed the Soviet people a normal life.
      4. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 28 December 2013 10: 36
        +4
        Their civilizations are 5 thousand years old, the most ancient country, ancient of Rome and Egypt. If they have survived to this day, that means they knew how to manage the country. smile
        1. 1c-inform-city
          1c-inform-city 28 December 2013 11: 51
          +2
          Lies. There is no written evidence of this. The oldest written document in China dates from the 16th century. There is an opinion that modern China simply has arrogated to itself the achievements of other, previously existing civilizations, destroying all mention of them.
          1. Beck
            Beck 28 December 2013 12: 08
            0
            Quote: 1c-inform-city
            Lies. There is no written evidence of this. The oldest written document in China dates from the 16th century. There is an opinion that modern China simply has arrogated to itself the achievements of other, previously existing civilizations, destroying all mention of them.


            YES !?

            Dense in knowledge. Berlazhen to house building. Zakoruzl to the petrified tree.
        2. negeroi
          negeroi 28 December 2013 12: 12
          +2
          Did they tell you this? The whole history of China was written by Jesuit monks, torn from the history of Rome. Material artifacts, bish excavations and real studies do not confirm either the 5 thousand-year or even 3-thousand-year history of Chinese civilization. Even the priority in paper and gunpowder does not confirm not to mention mathematics. All Chinese logarithms are torn off European tables, and along with errors. Propaganda, patriotic show-offs. The Great Wall of China, nothing more than separate fortifications, such as notches, such as Zaporizhzhya fortifications. So Mao built near Beijing. that the Chinese know how to hang out. We are the navel of the Earth, the rest are barbarians. Ancient Mlyn. Not of ancient Europe. Neolithic artifacts say that when stone was processed in Europe and even in Siberia, and the construction of houses in China were still sitting on the trees, the Chinese home- erectus in violation of all theories has survived almost to the present day. Ancient Chinese history is traced only in the words of Chinese pontrezes.
          1. hrych
            hrych 28 December 2013 19: 51
            +2
            There is also a blizzard persecuted that supposedly the only creation of man is visible from space, in the form of the Chinese Wall. Those. The Great Egyptian Pyramids and the Coliseum, which are hundreds of meters around the perimeter are not visible, and a wall several meters thick is visible. The fact that it is long, of course, can’t affect the visibility in any way, and the Chinese themselves obviously launched this blizzard, only the Tuykunavtans have recently acquired and obviously haven’t caught any trash there.
            1. Beck
              Beck 29 December 2013 10: 24
              +2
              Quote: hrych
              There is also a blizzard persecuted that supposedly the only creation of man is visible from space, in the form of the Chinese Wall.


              Left behind from life.

              Chinese journalists asked the first Chinese astronaut - Is the Chinese wall visible from space? He answered with a smile - What is not visible.
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        4. washi
          washi 28 December 2013 12: 21
          +5
          Quote: Max_Bauder
          Their civilizations are 5 thousand years old, the most ancient country, ancient of Rome and Egypt. If they have survived to this day, that means they knew how to manage the country. smile

          Their story is written by the Jesuits (a bunch of evidence). Just a promotion. To purchase goods.
          You can’t refuse them the ability to work, but it is ALL East Asia that possesses this.
          The Chinese in power have great conceit, but all peoples have it.
          The Chinese have no intelligence either, but there is collective wisdom.
          We have a mind, and many lack wisdom.
          1. michajlo
            michajlo 28 December 2013 14: 47
            +1
            Hello Vasya!

            I agree with you that the wisdom of the Chinese people is more than ours.
            Their results and our collapse of the USSR speak for themselves. Yes, and they have and will have flaws, however, and for everyone everywhere, but this is not the main thing.

            And what I personally do not like, that here on VO the note "about our Russian and Slavic exclusivity" often slips.

            Yes, it is a fact that, thank God, we are different from other peoples and nationalities, but maybe we just need to do more and tell everyone "about our TOP-TOP".

            Because RESULTS and CASES are worth more words, promises, meetings and decrees.

            And the fact that China carefully studied all the pros and cons of the USSR and studies and corrects its mistakes, so it only means that they are WISEER than the Slavs and were able to nominate more patriots rather than possessors.

            And they, without pity, CLEAN their upper echelons from corruption and deviation.

            And what will the "Guarantor" say in our country, what they say is not the 37th year! They say steal further, just do not brag and do not forget to share the stolen ...
        5. CTEPX
          CTEPX 28 December 2013 13: 03
          0
          There is a version that about 800 years ago the territory on which modern China is located simply did not exist)).
      5. Joker
        Joker 28 December 2013 21: 19
        +1
        Lucky Chinese, they have a good example

        Hmmm, didn’t we have it? 1917 didn’t teach anything? We have a history of some examples of solid, but that's all for them to give a damn.
    2. Beck
      Beck 28 December 2013 07: 54
      -14%
      Quote: dark_65
      Unseen, but on the contrary, seen already, but not completed in the USSR, after the death of Stalin.


      Yeah!

      Here she is the servile longing for the lordly whip. (To the repressive Stalinist whip). Serf for that and serf. Beat him like a dog in the blood, beat him to death, anyway he will wag his tail in front of the master.

      It is still unknown if Dark comments would have been written if Stalin had been alive. It is possible that the ancestors of Dark would perish in the camps of the 50s, 60s, 70s, even before they met each other. How millions of children were not born from the people who died in the Stalinist repressions.
      1. dark_65
        dark_65 28 December 2013 08: 34
        +4
        I answer the "brilliantly perspicacious" opponent.
        On the one hand, my ancestors hung "reds" on pillars in civilian clothes, but they also died for Russia, fought in the Patriotic War, too, for Russia, on Stalin's side. My great uncle died in the Svir landing in Karelia. My grandfather only received from Stalin in peacetime 2 red Star, and the Battle Banner (pilot ADD), I myself served in the same division as a private as my great-uncle.
        Maternal grandfather received 15hu for Stalin’s birthday, in the club of railway workers, the portrait of Stalin was gouged out in 49, came out after death.
        So I have no reason to love or hate him.
        Assessing soberly his policy, I will say one thing, thank him for the country.
        And as for the repressed ... there are statistics. There are only numbers, do not be compared to the wit of Solzhenitsyn.
        1. Beck
          Beck 28 December 2013 08: 51
          +8
          Quote: dark_65
          , fought in the Patriotic War also for Russia,on the side of Stalin


          I actually brought you as an example of the fact that not many people were born due to repressions.

          But my father fought for the homeland, then the USSR, and not for Stalin, but for the people. On the left are military awards, on the right are labor awards, and below, their father did not wear anniversary decorations.
          1. Sakmagon
            Sakmagon 28 December 2013 12: 21
            +3
            Beck, COFFEEING!
            Beck (3) KZ Today, 07: 54 ↑ New
            Quote: dark_65
            Unseen, but on the contrary, seen already, but not completed in the USSR, after the death of Stalin.
            Yeah!
            Here she is the servile longing for the lordly whip
            .

            I.e - dark_65 serf, yearning for the Stalinist whip ?!
            After dark_65 answered, he immediately blinded the "left" excuse: "I actually gave you as an example ..", and immediately hid behind my dad ?!
            You answer for YOUR "bazaar" why you consider dark_65 a slave, etc., and show YOUR awards, not daddy's! By the way, this is not the first time you "trump" with this photo, I have already seen it and with exactly the same comments, I remember that "I did not wear anniversary ones" ...
            Or do you seriously think that for such a father you got the right to be rude and insult?
            1. Beck
              Beck 28 December 2013 16: 10
              -1
              Quote: Sacmagon
              That is - dark_65 serf, yearning for the Stalinist whip ?!


              You said that. I said that some people have servile nature. It's like the Stockholm syndrome, I heard about this, this is when the former hostages protect the terrorists, just because they did not kill them and released them after mocking them.

              Quote: Sacmagon
              After dark_65 answered, he immediately blinded a "left" excuse: "I actually gave you as an example ..",


              Yes, I took the example of Dark and said that many children were not born due to repression. And Dark could not be born, and you might not be born, and I might not be born.

              Quote: Sacmagon
              and then hid behind dad ?!


              And what I was hiding. Dark said that his parent has military orders and he fought for Stalin. I said and showed that my father also has orders and he fought for the Motherland and the People. And these two differences are big to fight and die for the dictator or fight for the motherland.
              And why not show the order of the parent, I am proud and honored feat of the father and in his person all winners, so the rewards are not in the box, but in the frame and in a prominent place in my house. And if it’s an opportunity, I’ll show it.

              Quote: Sacmagon
              and show YOUR rewards, not dad's!


              I have no rewards. It changes something in my mind building.

              Quote: Sacmagon
              Or do you seriously think that for such a father you got the right to be rude and insult?


              Read the first paragraph. You yourself deduced it.

              And if you, too, are for Stalin, then Pol Pot, who destroyed a third of his people, put up a monument. Flag with you in the hands of Dark and a steam train of socialism towards.
              1. Sakmagon
                Sakmagon 28 December 2013 17: 35
                -2
                And if you, too, for Stalin, then Pol Pot, who destroyed a third of his people, put a monument

                dark-y_65
                Oleg, I'm sorry. Everything is clear with BEK ...
                WATER EMPTYYOUR BRAINS NOT AVAILABLE
                1. dark_65
                  dark_65 28 December 2013 19: 43
                  +1
                  I would give it to the eye (once), I think it would be enough, and correct it? .. the dog barks, the caravan is on, the reaction of the site is clear to me, and pleasant.
                  Thank you.
          2. washi
            washi 28 December 2013 13: 00
            0
            Quote: Beck
            Quote: dark_65
            , fought in the Patriotic War also for Russia,on the side of Stalin


            I actually brought you as an example of the fact that not many people were born due to repressions.

            But my father fought for the homeland, then the USSR, and not for Stalin, but for the people. On the left are military awards, on the right are labor awards, and below, their father did not wear anniversary decorations.

            Father a lot of RESPECT.
            But the son received the wrong upbringing, unfortunately.
          3. CTEPX
            CTEPX 28 December 2013 13: 20
            +1
            Quote: Beck
            But my father fought for the Motherland, then the USSR, and not for Stalin, but for the People.

            And now, what, are they fighting for Putin? Or for ... God forgive me ... Medvedev?))
            And the rewards ... They are rarely given for nothing.
          4. Ptah
            Ptah 28 December 2013 13: 28
            +2
            You know, "Beck", here I tend to agree more with "dark_65" than with you, for this reason.
            I am telling you from the words of my grandmother, because her husband (my grandfather) died when I was 6 years old because of the "war echoes".
            Before the war, a young engineer at one of the Moscow factories was noticed in an "impartial statement" about Stalin's domestic policy. It was the beginning of the war that "saved" him from the camps, and as a promising necessary specialist, an ethnic German (!!!) *** ermann Theodor-Jacob (Fedor Yakovlevich) was evacuated to the TatASSR to establish production. He had every chance to remain deep in the rear throughout the war, but again the fear of reprisals, already as a "representative of a belligerent enemy country), forced him (saving himself and his family) to write for half a year to all instances with a request to send him to the front, in army in. What do you think?
            As a result, in the spring of the 42nd, having taken artillery courses, he was sent to the southern front, as part of the calculation of the howitzer. He conquered, having risen to the old. late and severely wounded in Romania in the winter of the 45th. Dembelnulsya, but the attitude to STALIN, as a man has not changed, which did not prevent him from loving the Germans RUSSIA (not the USSR).
            It happens...

            Threat. Very commendable is your attitude to fatherly awards. Not every family meets this. Thanks and a deep bow from me! But...
            Quote: Sacmagon
            By the way, this is not the first time you already "trump" with this photo, I have already seen it and with exactly the same comments,

            Even on this site a photo appeared under articles -
            May 08, 2013, May 09, 2013, June 25, 2013, July 02, 2013, Sep 07. 2013 .......
            1. Beck
              Beck 28 December 2013 16: 26
              +1
              Quote: Vasya
              Father a lot of RESPECT.
              But the son received the wrong upbringing, unfortunately.


              We exchange opinions here, and do not educate each other. Due to the fact that you don’t perceive mine, I’m not saying that you don’t have any upbringing at all.

              Quote: ctepx
              And now, what, are they fighting for Putin? Or for ... God forgive me ... Medvedev?


              Dark said for Stalin. I spoke for the Motherland and the People.

              Quote: Ptah
              Dembelnulsya, but the attitude to STALIN, as a man has not changed, which did not prevent him from loving the Germans RUSSIA (not the USSR).
              It happens..


              It happens. I have already talked about the Stockholm Syndrome.

              Quote: Ptah
              Even on this site a photo appeared under articles -
              May 08, 2013, May 09, 2013, June 25, 2013, July 02, 2013, Sep 07. 2013 ...


              And I don't go to any other sites. And I show orders for the occasion. By Victory Day. When there was a topic about the order. When there was a topic about the capture of Konigsberg, then people said that their parents had medals "For the capture of Konigsberg," I not only said, but also showed. For Victory Day 2014, I will also post with Congratulations to the soldiers of the Second World War. Or, what to hide the awards in a box, and throw the box in the attic?
      2. Yorgven
        Yorgven 28 December 2013 08: 41
        +4
        Or maybe many of them were worth it to rot them in the camps. I’m looking at our State Duma and I see so many worthy candidates, at work in uranium mines, and indeed in all areas. And such as Taburetkin, Chubais, etc. ... you need to shoot from mortars with broadcasting on all channels.
        1. washi
          washi 28 December 2013 13: 09
          +1
          Quote: Yorgven
          Or maybe many of them were worth it to rot them in the camps. I’m looking at our State Duma and I see so many worthy candidates, at work in uranium mines, and indeed in all areas. And such as Taburetkin, Chubais, etc. ... you need to shoot from mortars with broadcasting on all channels.

          I set minus YOU.
          Outwardly, EVERYTHING is BAD and in a thought. The people are all against it.
          Ivan the Great built the boyar Duma. Introduced its own laws (which is now guided by the euro-ass).
          Rot; I agree. But, unfortunately, not those times.
          We do not have 37 (unfortunately).
          The last ones will attack.
          GDP is trying to avoid civilian.
      3. Per se.
        Per se. 28 December 2013 08: 50
        +5
        Quote: Beck
        It is possible that the ancestors of Dark would perish in the camps, 50, 60, 70, even before they met each other.
        Yes, in full, how many of these stamps can already be reproduced! The Great French Revolution didn’t start with roses either, the galas did not sprinkle ash on their heads, moreover, Bastille Day is still a national holiday. War communism had its term, and could not go on forever, socialism is a rapidly developing system that at that time of formation had both mistakes and necessary sacrifices, but for all that, they were much less than the blood that capitalism brought during its formation. Modern capitalist Russia has lost much more of its people than it died during the repressions, illiteracy and homelessness returned again. As for the comments, the United States immediately turned off the broadcast, as soon as a truthful interview with an eyewitness was heard about the events in South Ossetia, democracy and freedom of speech were fake there for a long time, with total surveillance. Without the USSR, the bourgeois will quickly take back their indulgences and tighten the nuts. Stalin did a lot of good for the country and the future of his people, the trouble is that Khrushchev has appropriated to himself everything that was created and laid down under Stalin, blaming all sins on Stalin. Capitalism does not have a worthy future; it has outlived itself, on an overpopulated planet, for the normal development of civilization, there is only one way - a return to the socialist landmarks of development. Breaking ahead under Stalin, becoming a superpower with enormous development potential, we returned back, picking up a well-developed system and a failed program from the garbage. The Chinese are making the right conclusions.
      4. washi
        washi 28 December 2013 12: 50
        +2
        Quote: Beck
        Here she is the servile longing for the lordly whip. (To the repressive Stalinist whip). Serf for that and serf. Beat him like a dog in the blood, beat him to death, anyway he will wag his tail in front of the master.

        How wrong you are.
        Although, given your nickname, you probably were from the owners of a nomadic tribe, had flocks and herds your ancestor
        And then they took it, divided it.
        Or maybe you remember what kind of relationship existed and now resumed under the tribal system?
        Or he may recall those Kazakhs (by the way, why Cossacks and Kazakhs are written in Kazakh in the same way (emphasis is not considered) who were educated under the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR, created the Kazakh alphabet, written language, and actively participated in the defense of the country, like the Cossacks.
        I apologize for all non-Kazakhs.
        We have in vain squeezed YOUR nomads out of YOUR traditional territories.
        In vain we built factories, factories, mines in these territories.
        We worked in vain for them.
        Sorry, dear BEK, that we left the EURASIAN CONTINENT CENTER.
        Sorry that your business got up after our departure.
        We left you our apartments.
        After your monetary reform, we left our money.
        What else do you want?
        Do you want us to work again?
        PAY AND KISS IN THE PLACES WHERE WE PROVIDE.
        Yours, and ours, tribal relations are embarrassed.
        Maybe back to socialism?
        There is an attractive principle: to each according to his work, i.e. loafers do not need to be fed (even relatives).
        1. Beck
          Beck 28 December 2013 17: 11
          +1
          Quote: Vasya
          Although, given your nickname, you probably were from the owners of a nomadic tribe, had flocks and herds your ancestor
          And then they took it, divided it.


          Yeah. At first I would ask what nickname means, I wouldn’t sit in a puddle. This is an image of the god of the Egyptian pantheon of gods, Anubis. God of the kingdom of the dead, necropolises and embalms. And in his hands is Ankh, a symbol of the eternal life of the Egyptian religion. From here all your constructions about flocks of eggs are not worth it.

          Quote: Vasya
          Or he may remember those Kazakhs (by the way, why Cossacks and Kazakhs are written in Kazakh in the same way


          Talk for a long time, and not in the TOPIC, but I will not be lazy, I will answer your question. Squeezed. And because the origin of our ethnonym is the same.

          The Turkic peoples had an ancient custom when individual men, for a time, left the villages, left to lead a life full of adventure. At this time, they did not recognize the power of the khan and were released from social obligations to the family. These men united in gangs (I will mark the Turkic words in such a font) and settled on the borders of tribal territories living by hunting and raids on adjacent territories. And these men called themselves Turkic - Cossacks. There were Mughal Cossacks - Xinjian and Semirechye, Chutur Cossacks of the northern foothills of Altai, Desht - from the Irtysh to the Dniester. And not only Türks were accepted into the Cossacks, but a Persian who came and a runaway Slav could also become a Cossack.

          The first written mention of the word ҚазаҚ, with two firm, uvular K, is in the Arabic-Turkic dictionary of 1245, created in Egypt. The dictionary was created in view of the threat of invasion by the troops of Genghis Khan, the basis of which was composed by the Turks. The word Cossack in this dictionary is translated as - free, homeless, wanderer. In 1882, this dictionary was published in Leiden for scientific work.

          In 1459, the sultans Janibek and Giray (in the territory of today's Kazakhstan) did not go along with the khan Abu al-Khair and left him as usual in KAZAKI. But violating customs, they left not alone, but with all the tribes subordinate to them, and this association took on a common name - the Cossack. Later, Janibek and Giray expelled Abu al-Khair and themselves became khans of the steppe. And the common name Cossack became an ethnonym for the entire population.

          And in the Golden Horde there were Turkic Cossacks. After the fall of the Horde, when the South Russian steppes were not yet Russian, in the Don, Urals, and Dnieper there continued to exist male communities of Turks who Cossacked. The Cossack could at any time return to his village and again take on social obligations and recognize the power of the Khan or Sultan. Exactly the fugitive peasants from Russia fled to them and became Cossacks. And the Cossacks did not give offense to the boyar detachments of the Turks. Hence - From the Don there is no issue. But if the Turk could return to the aul, the Slav could not return to the boyar yoke. And he, in violation of customs, started a family and initially the Turks were wives. Then, with increasing oppression in Russia, the flow of refugees intensified. Gradually, Slavic blood began to prevail until, already Slavic Cossacks, identified themselves with the Russian people. BUT WORD КАЗАКAS THE DESIGNATION OF THE SEPARATE COMMUNITY OF THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE REMAINED.

          Here is the common root of why there are Turkic people of KAZAKI and there are Russian KAZAKI.
          1. Beck
            Beck 28 December 2013 17: 20
            0
            Quote: Beck
            Here is the common root


            Quote: Beck
            created the Kazakh alphabet, writing,
            Type before that there was no written language.

            In the 5-6 centuries, the Turks arose writing, the so-called Turkic runes. Stone steles with such inscriptions stand in Mongolia, in Xinjiang, in Kazakhstan. Here she is.
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            3. Beck
              Beck 28 December 2013 18: 20
              0
              Quote: Beck
              Here it is.


              Pictures are not inserted. I will continue. In 6 = 9 centuries, this runic script was transformed into a capital Turkic alphabet. It was to them, in the Turkic language, that the khans of the Golden Horde wrote labels to Russian princes. In the mid-1300s, Khan Uzbek adopted Islam in the state, which concerned only the nomadic population and did not affect the Slavs. Then, under the pressure of the Arab mullahs, Uzbek switched to the Arabic alphabet. He lasted until 1917. After the revolution, the Kazakhs switched to the Latin alphabet and only in 30 years to the Cyrillic alphabet.

              Quote: Vasya
              In vain we built factories, factories, mines in these territories.


              Every metropolis uses its colonial outskirts for the needs of the metropolis itself. The Sokolosko-Sarbaiskoye iron ore deposit was developed not for the Kazakhs, but for the Chelyabinsk metallurgical plants. The uranium mines in Mangyshlak were created not for the Kazakhs, but for the nuclear forces of the USSR. The torpedo plant in Almaty was not built for the Kazakhs, but for the USSR Navy.

              Quote: Vasya
              Sorry that your business got up after our departure.


              Recently I watched a Russian TV show. The lists of countries according to the priority of economic development were read there. The ease of doing business, the development of the financial system, the efficiency of enterprises. And if Kazakhstan took 30-50 places, then Russia is the hundredth. So it's not worth anything with us. In Ust-Kamenogorsk, a VAZ branch for the assembly of cars was opened. In Uralsk, the Metallist shipyard produces ships.

              Quote: Vasya
              After your monetary reform, we left our money.


              Liar. After the monetary reform of Gaidar, a flood of unnecessary wooden, impaired rubles flowed from Russia to Kazakhstan. Enormous inflation caused in those difficult times. Kazakhstan had, on credit, to print its own currency in England.

              Quote: Vasya
              Maybe back to socialism?


              Come back yourself. Create a party, win the election and the second time in history, step on the rake. A fair wind to you, or something in the back. Flag in hand and a steam train of socialism towards.

              Here is how much I had to answer to the illiterate, terrible attacks of an uneducated person.

              Quote: Vasya
              PAY AND KISS IN THE PLACES WHERE WE PROVIDE.


              You are a greyhound in words - you’ll catch a hare for a ruble. It’s you who kiss the drunken monkey, you are there next to her in development.
      5. CTEPX
        CTEPX 28 December 2013 13: 14
        +3
        Quote: Beck
        Here she is the servile longing for the lordly whip. (To the repressive Stalinist whip)

        Respected)). The Constitution of the so-called. "Stalinist" 1936, read. And compare, at least, with the 1977 constitution)) which was the reason for the collapse of the Union. And the root cause, as I already wrote, is most likely receiving gigantic bribes for legalizing the "lunar scam".
        And China ... What to ask from him, he is a remake, like Israel in Jerusalem)).
  2. Volkhov
    Volkhov 28 December 2013 06: 48
    +7
    It is necessary for governments to change their shifts once a month — in the Russian Federation or in China. Chinese investigators have time to complete the process in a month - three shifts are enough for the order.
    1. Canep
      Canep 28 December 2013 07: 31
      +7
      Quote: Volkhov
      Chinese investigators have time to complete the process in a month

      So we will have to hold elections every month. After the Chinese investigators from the government and the Duma, only the churchyard will remain.
      1. Airman
        Airman 28 December 2013 08: 48
        +2
        Quote: Canep
        Quote: Volkhov
        Chinese investigators have time to complete the process in a month

        So we will have to hold elections every month. After the Chinese investigators from the government and the Duma, only the churchyard will remain.

        And we will regret it and will not regret it!
  3. Ihrek
    Ihrek 28 December 2013 06: 49
    +12
    The collapse of the USSR is certainly a global tragedy, and not just the peoples of the former USSR. The reasons for its collapse:
    1. Politics and hatred of "clown" Khrushev towards Stalin.
    2. Weakness and betrayal of Gorbachev.
    3. Thirst for unanimous power and drunkenness of Yeltsin.
    1. washi
      washi 28 December 2013 13: 38
      +1
      Quote: Jamal
      The collapse of the USSR is certainly a global tragedy, and not just the peoples of the former USSR. The reasons for its collapse:
      1. Politics and hatred of "clown" Khrushev towards Stalin.
      2. Weakness and betrayal of Gorbachev.
      3. Thirst for unanimous power and drunkenness of Yeltsin.

      I want to add:
      -Lack of literacy of "communists" in the vertical of power (Khrushchev and Zhukov and their later have only PRIMARY EDUCATION). Stalin read a lot. Those. was engaged in self-education.
      -Actual destruction of the Council of People's Deputies. From replacement (after the death of the IVS to the congress of the CPSU REPRESENTATIVES).
      -Lack of control over party officials by the PEOPLE AND KGB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which Khrushchev did.
      - Destruction of the multistructure STALIN ECONOMY. Instead, the NEP was organized in its worst forms.
      - A show in the Armed Forces and the Ministry of Internal Affairs (which we still cannot get rid of).
      1. alone
        alone 28 December 2013 19: 32
        0
        Quote: Vasya
        (Khrushchev and Zhukov and their subsequent only PRIMARY EDUCATION).


        But did you have libraries with him? Stalin didn’t have an academic education either. He was just a seminary. Just Stalin went to different countries, saw a lot, heard a lot. There is such a saying: who goes a lot knows that much. Books are only theory A respected practice is more useful than some books.
  4. rpek32
    rpek32 28 December 2013 06: 59
    +7
    For the most part, the Chinese are right, what can I do
  5. Stinger
    Stinger 28 December 2013 07: 01
    +5
    The CCP concluded: you need to know your story well, you must rely on the best in it, correct mistakes and distortions, but at the same time look to the future and carry out a serious comprehensive modernization.


    And we don’t like to analyze. We like to demolish monuments.
  6. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 28 December 2013 07: 02
    +4
    from the Don.
    And when will we repay the debts to the priesthood?
    1. Kolya
      Kolya 28 December 2013 10: 57
      +2
      first you need to take the land from the landowners, and then remove all taxes from the peasants.
      1. Beck
        Beck 28 December 2013 11: 47
        +2
        Quote: Kohl
        first you need to take the land from the landowners, and then remove all taxes from the peasants


        In, in. Such were the members of the Bedcoms (who themselves did not want to do anything and did not know how). But the kulaks, this standard of efficient housekeeping, were dispossessed, expelled, shot with pleasure.
        1. washi
          washi 28 December 2013 13: 56
          +2
          Quote: Beck
          Quote: Kohl
          first you need to take the land from the landowners, and then remove all taxes from the peasants


          In, in. Such were the members of the Bedcoms (who themselves did not want to do anything and did not know how). But the kulaks, this standard of efficient housekeeping, were dispossessed, expelled, shot with pleasure.

          Read the IVS works.
          If your slaves ceased to obey, then these are YOUR problems.
          Maybe they wanted to become people?
          I do not remember a single collective farm in Kazakhstan.
          State farms were.
          It was the Russians who taught on the Kazakh state farms to plow land and extract water from wells.
        2. Kolya
          Kolya 28 December 2013 22: 27
          0
          There were distortions on the ground at that time, but Nikolai Starikov gives the most reasonable description of those events, read. At the present time, for example, a rural area of ​​40 thousand people (in Ukraine), 5 people, former heads of collective farms (do you call them prolific) control 90% of all agricultural land in the region. Taxes are paid by a minuscule, they feed the local authorities which they themselves put. These are the new landowners. They won’t give up the land if they don’t take it, and this will be fair, since they also took the land. If you dig up how they took, each of them is enough for an article, even according to their liberal laws.
          1. FRIGATE2
            FRIGATE2 30 December 2013 04: 27
            +2
            Quote: Kohl
            Nikolai Starikov,

            Khe khe, do you think the Old Man is a historian?
    2. washi
      washi 28 December 2013 13: 50
      0
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      from the Don.
      And when will we repay the debts to the priesthood?

      The land of collective farms and state farms has already been disaggregated.
      Collective farmers have already sold their land. Farms, collective farm enterprises have already been sold.
      What is the compensation?
      State farms are still working. Although there managers noted.
      What debts to collective farmers?
      Have you read about the lack of passports?
      So in the USA there are still no passports. They are ALL SLAVES OF CAPITALIST SYSTEM.
      Read the IVS works. There and about collective farms and about MTS.
      1. FRIGATE2
        FRIGATE2 30 December 2013 04: 28
        +2
        Quote: Vasya
        The land of collective farms and state farms has already been disaggregated.
        Collective farmers have already sold their land. Farms, collective farm enterprises have already been sold.
        What is the compensation?
        State farms are still working. Although there managers noted.
        What debts to collective farmers?
        Have you read about the lack of passports?
        So in the USA there are still no passports. They are ALL SLAVES OF CAPITALIST SYSTEM.
        Read the IVS works. There and about collective farms and about MTS.

        Well, what KOB-sheep, learned the whole KOBu?
  7. Lindon
    Lindon 28 December 2013 07: 10
    +4
    If earlier it was only necessary to catch up with America. Thanks to Gorbachev, now China first and only then America.
    Without a big jerk, you have to catch up for a long time. First of all, it is necessary to understand within the country to return all the large assets in the economy that were seized by the oligarchs. Start introducing advanced technologies and management practices.
    1. Beck
      Beck 28 December 2013 08: 13
      -3
      Quote: Lindon
      First of all, you need to figure out within the country to return all the large assets in the economy that were seized by the oligarchs


      Under Putin, much was returned, some assets remained only with the loyal oligarchs. Putin created state-owned corporations. And it is their activity that inhibits development. State corporations are also not effective in the economy, as are socialist state enterprises. At the moment, the decline in economic growth in Russia is precisely the result of the activities of state corporations.

      Quote: Lindon
      Start introducing advanced technologies and management practices.


      But this is precisely what state institutions and corporations cannot and do not want to do. When - "everything around is collective farm, everything around is mine" then this only leads to squandering and theft. The introduction of technologies and new methods is best managed only by a market economy.
      1. mountain
        mountain 28 December 2013 13: 54
        0
        It’s not bitter, I agree with you Beck, it’s stupid to steal from yourself, but the state isn’t bad. For a long time we have lived under false flags and leaders with a gangster past haven’t decided to recall their past now. Forgotten how to farm, to be the master of yourself, family, country. And the Chinese have everything ahead, with their mentality completely cap everything, the result is predictable. And I have not forgotten the Chinese revolution, it was funny by the way.
      2. washi
        washi 28 December 2013 14: 03
        0
        Quote: Beck
        But this is precisely what state institutions and corporations cannot and do not want to do. When - "everything around is collective farm, everything around is mine" then this only leads to squandering and theft. The introduction of technologies and new methods is best managed only by a market economy.

        The market economy has NEVER coped and will not cope on the state. level ..
        Give an example: where, to maintain high technology, it does without a state.
      3. michajlo
        michajlo 28 December 2013 17: 07
        +2
        Hello Beck!

        I agree with many of your thoughts, but I do not agree with this or did not understand you

        Beck (3) KZ Today, 08:13 ↑ ↓
        Quote: Lindon
        First of all, you need to figure out within the country to return all the large assets in the economy that were seized by the oligarchs
        ----------
        Under Putin, much was returned, some assets remained only with the loyal oligarchs. Putin created state-owned corporations. And it is their activity that inhibits development. State corporations are also not effective in the economy, as are socialist state enterprises. At the moment, the decline in economic growth in Russia is precisely the result of the activities of state corporations.
        Quote: Lindon
        Start introducing advanced technologies and management practices.
        ------------
        But this is precisely what state institutions and corporations cannot and do not want to do. When - "everything around is collective farm, everything around is mine" then this only leads to squandering and theft. The introduction of technologies and new methods is best managed only by a market economy.


        Inside Russia, for me personally, Putin is concerned about how to please all the oligarchs and friends in the Ozero cooperative, alas.
        ON THE PEOPLE AND ORDINARY CITIZENS IT IS SIMPLE TO SPIT.

        But you are not tired of every year listening to the SAME repetition of his LOUD Decrees, failed and not fulfilled by HIM PREMIER, HIS GOVERNMENT, and HIS MINISTERS AND ADVISERS ...

        Now, when you pay a new price for housing and communal services, housing, transport, then you will howl your respected supporters of the sunshine GDP.

        Please answer me cheers, if Putin is such a patriot, why is the welfare of the people falling, the number of BILLIONAIRE in Russia growing and INSTEAD of Russians working migrant workers, without registration, paying taxes and WITHOUT complying with Russian laws?

        That again you will repeat the tales of the "good tsar" and "bad boyars" ?!

        If the LADIES for which year has IMPORTANTLY "guides" and "IMPLEMENTS" all the Decrees and wishes of the GDP, it is not because he smiles stupidly, he is moved by Aiphones, but simply because naive voters have to show THAT BAD prime minister who "why -What with impunity "FLIES all the good and patriotic SPIRITS of the SOUL of Putin himself ?!

        Or maybe it's just time to DEMAND from Putin (not to change him, not to shoot him without investigation at the Kremlin wall) to fulfill his duties as a PRESIDENT, and not "a lackey of Aligarhs and Jewish financiers" ?!

        Or a reminder from ordinary citizens to their Guarantor, his obligations to his own people, is it the same unpatriotic and unconstitutional and CRIMINAL?

        What do you think?
        1. Beck
          Beck 28 December 2013 18: 43
          +2
          Quote: michajlo
          What do you think?


          What do you have, that we have problems above the roof. And to be honest, tomorrow they will not be lost. It is easy to change power, it is difficult to transform the mentality rooted in 70 years.

          Momentaryly bad, but Putin is not eternal. Any ruler for a moment's history. But the direction to a market economy is correct. If the socialist system were correct, then it would not collapse, but would flourish today. And for any fundamental transformation, time is needed.

          Due to the fact that bad now does not mean at all that Russia will end in five years. Russia A great state, with a glorious history and one of the pillars of the modern world. Such a state cannot completely go down. If Russia was reborn after the Troubles, then today's turmoil is not a couple of that Troubles.
          1. Kolya
            Kolya 28 December 2013 23: 14
            +1
            Quote: Beck
            But the direction to a market economy is correct. If the socialist system were correct, then it would not collapse, but would flourish today. And for any fundamental transformation, time is needed.

            Our socialist system collapsed because of the infamous problem of commons and absolutely not because of the lack of a free market. Stalin was very successful in solving the Problem of Communities, so that socialism gave birth to an economic miracle. After Stalin, they stopped fighting the "Problem of the Communities" and a slow dive began. But there was no market neither under Stalin nor under the next.
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          3. -Barbarian-
            -Barbarian- 13 July 2014 12: 09
            0
            Quote: Beck
            If the socialist system were correct, then it would not collapse, but would flourish today.

            Greetings. You would be right if not for one BUT. The system as such is static. ITS are developed for specific purposes. It needs to be modernized every generation, otherwise it will cease to correspond to realities. And here lies the main danger - the human factor. People who, due to lack of understanding, who due to lack of a broad outlook, and who because of passions, voluntarily or involuntarily destroy the Principle of the System - the phased development of subsystems.
            Therefore, it makes no sense to talk about correctness, especially since Khrushchev deliberately refused the Stalinist system (which, incidentally, developed systematically), unscrupulously appropriating its fruits
      4. Kolya
        Kolya 28 December 2013 22: 52
        +1
        Quote: Beck
        "everything around is collective farm, everything around is mine" then this only leads to squandering and theft. Only a market economy can handle the introduction of technologies and new methods in the best way.


        For a market economy, ideal conditions are needed so that it gives a good result. A market economy is like plate scales for which you need some time to come to a balance. But in the context of globalization of the world economy, there is a player (West) who puts pressure on one plate on scales around the world at the right time, and you, enchanted by the market, will wait all your life for balance and will not wait. That is why the West is planting market values ​​around the world. In a closed system, the market is an ideal tool, but for this you need to build an iron curtain more strictly than what was and then practice the free market.
  8. Cpa
    Cpa 28 December 2013 07: 15
    -1
    Their districts with separate sentiments are engaged in agriculture, I think this is one of the reasons for the abolition of taxes in this industry.
  9. predator.3
    predator.3 28 December 2013 07: 20
    +5
    Chinese scientists emphasize that the withdrawal of the Soviet Union from the world stage became a tragedy for the Russian people, led to the collapse of a whole system of socialist countries, significantly worsened the situation of the peoples of all developing countries.


    Yes, we ourselves know very well, about the "developing countries" of course, the hunghuza are very bent, these are ordinary freeloaders, or rather ballast, especially African countries.

    Most speakers indicated on the treacherous activity of Gorbachevas a decisive subjective factor in the destruction of a great country


    this, as they say, is not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! In China, he would have been shot on the field of the stadium long ago!
  10. Magadan
    Magadan 28 December 2013 07: 22
    +8
    Talented leadership, you will not say anything. One and a half billion people, you won’t earn on resources, starting positions are poverty in everything and lack of technology! And so, they competently used the idea of ​​socialism and the five-year plan without moronic excesses (when even the cheburek is in the hands of state structures) multiplied by their national, traditional foundations.
    We, however, stubbornly at the top of the type do not see anything. They are already being told in every way: build state-owned enterprises (factories and plants), reintroduce planning (by the way, not all Soviet planners have died, there is a school), shoot for corruption (in the USSR, more than 100 thousand rubles were stolen - shot). Useless. The private trader is already in the defense industry. Of course, not the 90s, but, damn it, the whole country is waiting for a return to socialism! Have already got your "effective private traders"! How long do we have to wait until the Russian Steve Jobs "by itself" will appear thanks to the "invisible hand of the market"?
    1. Beck
      Beck 28 December 2013 07: 43
      -4
      Quote: Magadan
      This is how they correctly used the idea of ​​socialism and the five-year plan


      Look at the top. In fact, the Chinese threw the idea of ​​socialism into the economy in the dustbin of history, now the Full Market Economy is there. It was she who led China to the group of world leaders. From socialism in China there was only a gloss of slogans.

      No doubt, the Chinese leaders turned out to be very sensible managers, introducing the Market Economy in the country, without a big shock to the population.

      When Deng Xiao Ping announced, in the 80s, that he would build Socialism with Chinese characteristics in China, this was a rejection of the foundations of socialism. The backbone of socialism is public ownership of the means of production, in fact state ownership and for the propaganda of "people's property" So Deng, with his statement, renounced public ownership of the means of production. Now in China private ownership of the means of production.

      And the power of the Communist Party in China is the power of the dictatorship of one party. In classical dictatorships, there is one dictator. In China, a group dictator. That is, China now has a Market Economy and dictatorship. But I repeat the leadership of China turned out to be very good managers of private production.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 28 December 2013 08: 12
        +5
        Quote: Beck
        It was she who led China to the group of world leaders. From socialism in China there was only a gloss of slogans.

        Beck, it’s good to carry nonsense .. Read the Chinese Constitution, everything is written there, what forms of ownership are ALLOWED in the state.

        Article 6. The basis of the socialist economic system of the People’s Republic of China is socialist public ownership of the means of production, that is, public property and collective ownership of the working masses.
        Socialist public property eliminates the system of exploitation of man by man, implements the principle of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work."
        At the initial stage of socialism, the state supports the economic system in which social ownership dominates and other forms of ownership develop in parallel, adheres to a system in which distribution according to work dominates when coexisting with other distribution methods.
        Article 7. The sector of the economy based on state ownership, i.e. socialist economybased on a system of public ownership, is the leading force in the national economy. The state guarantees the strengthening and development of the sector of the economy based on state property.
        Article 9. Subsoil, water, forests, mountains, virgin lands, shallows and other natural resources are state, that is, public property. The exception is forests, mountains, steppes, virgin lands and shallows, which are legally collective property.
        Article 10. Land in cities belongs to the state.
        Article 11. Non-public sector of the economy, including individual and private enterprises conducting business within the limits established by law, are an important component of a socialist market economy.
        The state protects the legal rights and interests of individual and private enterprises. The state encourages, supports and directs development as well as monitors and controls the non-public sector of the economy.
        Article 12. Socialist public property is sacred and inviolable.
        The state protects socialist public property. It is forbidden for any organizations or private individuals to appropriate or undermine state and collective property by any means whatsoever.
        Article 13. The legal private property of citizens is inviolable.
        State may in accordance with the law requisition or use private property of citizens, and also to pay compensation, in the presence of public needs.
        Article 15. The state is implementing socialist market economy.
        Article 16. State enterprises state property in the framework established by law, have the right to independent management.
        Etc ..
        There was no refusal from the foundations of socialism in China, and all attempts were stopped once and for all in Tiananmen Square.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 28 December 2013 08: 15
          +6
          Quote: Beck
          Now in China, Private Ownership of the means of production.


          In accordance with the decision of the GSU and the State Commercial and Industrial Administration of 1992, the existence of the following nine major economic sectors (ownership), which in turn are divided into 21 subsectors:
          • public sector (SOEs and state mixed enterprises);

          • collective sector (collective enterprises and mixed collective enterprises);

          • the private sector (private capitalist enterprises, private share organizations, private limited liability companies);

          • individual sector (individual enterprises and partnerships);

          • mixed economy sector (state-collective, public-private, collective-private, state-collective-private enterprises);

          • joint-stock sector (joint-stock companies with limited liability and limited liability companies);

          • the sector of foreign enterprises (Sino-foreign mixed enterprises and enterprises wholly owned by foreign capital);

          • enterprises with capital participation from Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau;

          • other types of economic activity.
          link
          1. Beck
            Beck 28 December 2013 08: 41
            -3
            Quote: Ascetic
            There was no refusal from the foundations of socialism in China, and all attempts were stopped once and for all in Tiananmen Square.


            There is no refusal in the declarative parts of the constitution and in slogans; we must not lose face. But in fact, there is no socialism in China, but there is a dictatorship of the party in a market economy.

            When in China there was socialism, then China was at the fringes of world development. Dan carried out reforms of the market economy and after 30 years, China came to what it came to.

            The whole ideology of socialism-communism was not viable. Imposed by the power of revolutions and direct military intervention (Eastern Europe), after 70 years, this system collapsed. And do not talk about the conspiracies of the Judeo-Masons, the City, aliens and similar rubbish.

            Only two countries with socialism remained in the world. This is Cuba and the DPRK and where they are in the ranking of developed countries of the world. This story deliberately left them so that there was a good example of how you can’t live.

            North Korea and South Korea, divided by the war 68 years ago. There and there live one people, with one mentality, with one habits, with one inclinations. There was only one difference - in South Korea, a market economy, in North Korea, socialism. The result is a DPRK with a nuclear bomb and poverty. South Korea is without a bomb and in prosperity, and at the most advanced frontiers of world progress.
            1. CTEPX
              CTEPX 28 December 2013 14: 00
              0
              Quote: Beck
              There was only one difference - in South Korea, a market economy, in North Korea, socialism.

              The difference is in the presence of cut paper, mistaken for money)).
        2. Beck
          Beck 28 December 2013 08: 23
          -3
          Quote: Ascetic
          Beck, it’s good to carry nonsense .. Read the Chinese Constitution, everything is written there, what forms of ownership are ALLOWED in the state.


          In the Soviet constitution, too, gloss was a sight for sore eyes. That's just no use.

          Quote: Ascetic
          In accordance with the decision of the GSU


          Well, and which of the 9 sectors prevails? Of the nine, only one is the public sector, the rest are market ones.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 28 December 2013 11: 30
            +5
            Quote: Beck
            Well, and which of the 9 sectors prevails? Of the nine, only one is the public sector, the rest are market ones.


            Read Chinese Constitution, Once Again
            Article 6. The basis of the socialist economic system of the People’s Republic of China is socialist public ownership of the means of production, that is, public property and collective ownership of the working masses.
            Market
            Article 15. The state implements a socialist market economy.
            Article 16. State-owned state-owned enterprises, within the framework established by law, have the right to independent management.

            Many "experts" are trying to make a good face in a bad game and say that de China has long abandoned socialism, and its current economic and social growth is just proof that capitalism works much better in practice.
            The approach is simple: all that is bad (lack of democracy, corruption) is supposedly a consequence of socialism, and all that is good (economic growth and welfare growth) is the merit of capitalism. This primitive argumentation tries to turn reality inside out, thus saving the ideological baggage.
            Indeed, tremendous changes have occurred in China over the past 25 years, but what is their nature? In June 2004, the European Commission published a report on whether China could be called a market economy. The answer is no.
            According to the report, in China there is
            "Systematic interference with the law of supply and demand and the levers of the market mechanism, which leads to a deep disruption of the Chinese market ... Despite recent progress, the influence of the state in the Chinese economy remains very large." According to the report of the Commission “China will continue to be a non-market economy for a long time to come.”

            Yes, China has opened its economy to foreign investment and introduced a fairly large number of elements of a market economy. The state is mainly engaged in determining the macroeconomic course, individual firms have gained more autonomy. However key sectors of the economy, natural resources and sectors of modern technology remain in state hands. The same applies to the social sphere. If the state has receded into the background, it is primarily due to the decentralization of the public sector, and not due to the private sector. A very large mixed economy sector has been created in which the state often retains a veto-holding
            Unlabeled Socialism: China
            1. Beck
              Beck 28 December 2013 11: 56
              -1
              Quote: Ascetic
              Read Chinese Constitution, Once Again
              Article 6. The basis of the socialist economic system of the People’s Republic of China is socialist public ownership of the means of production, that is, public property and collective ownership of the working masses.


              It was also written in the Soviet constitution that the means of production, the subsoil, and all wealth belong to the People. You can write anything for your pleasure.

              And the Chinese economy has been raised by the modern approach of all civilized countries to progress. China stopped blanching and barking at the damned West, at the liquid masons, at germs, and took from the Western economy new management methods, technologies, management, and became world leaders.
              1. Ascetic
                Ascetic 28 December 2013 16: 42
                +3
                Quote: Beck
                And the Chinese economy has been raised by the modern approach of all civilized countries to progress. China stopped blanching and barking at the damned West, at the liquid masons, at germs, and took from the Western economy new management methods, technologies, management, and became world leaders.


                The key to success of the PRC is that the country has retained an optimal model of the economy with a reasonable combination of private and public. In the West, they don’t like to remember that competition with the USSR was won not by a market economy, but by a mixed and regulated economy. She was so (semi-socialist) both in the USA, and in Europe, and in Japan. It ensured high growth rates (up to 9-10% per year in the USA in 1966 and 1967), and made it possible to quickly increase the standard of living. But as soon as the West abandoned a mixed regulated economy, starting to build a neoliberal utopia with immense privatization and the subordination of the real sector to the financial one - it fell into decay. He began to degrade and lose to China, which retained the previous economic model.
                In China, they understand perfectly well that the same private owner should not be given up to the power industry for example. For he, striving to return the investment as soon as possible, will set such prohibitive tariffs (and will fight for such a monopoly position) that he will ruin the competitiveness of the entire economy. This is exactly what is happening in the privatized “according to Chubais” electric power industry of the Russian Federation. China does not release energy from state hands, realizing: the higher the profits from power engineers, the less profit from processors, the less competitive they are in the world market ...
                1. FRIGATE2
                  FRIGATE2 31 December 2013 13: 14
                  +2
                  Both Beck and Ascetic are right, but subjectively. Probably all the same, in the PRC, a rather symbiotic model was developed between the state. and frequent property, in a proportion clearly suited to China, with its multinational people, populous.
                  It’s just that in the USSR only mediocrity and thieves ruled, and becoming illiterate people on the path of socialism was bloody, as we know from history.
                  Becoming on the path of socialism, if possible, is only after the path of capitalism.
                  Many people call the policy in the Scandinavians, France "socialist", yes, it is very similar, but this is an objective development of society, its rights and freedoms, and of course only after the market system
        3. CTEPX
          CTEPX 28 December 2013 13: 46
          0
          Beck, of course, just twitches)). But
          Quote: Ascetic
          Article 7. Sector of an economy based on state ownership, that is, a socialist economy

          this article of the Chinese constitution means that they embarked on the path of destruction, not the construction of socialism. The fact is that the defining principle of socialism "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work" is realizable only under cooperative (collective) ownership with the state's strict protection of this principle. State property is a variant of imperialism)).
      2. washi
        washi 28 December 2013 14: 08
        +1
        Quote: Beck
        Look at the top. In fact, the Chinese threw the idea of ​​socialism into the economy in the dustbin of history, now the Full Market Economy is there. It was she who led China to the group of world leaders. From socialism in China there was only a gloss of slogans.

        Or maybe they both RESPECTED STALIN and pursue his policy (with local perversions)
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 28 December 2013 13: 36
      0
      Quote: Magadan
      Talented leadership, you will not say anything.

      But let's not forget the cookies from the Anglo-Saxons for the policy of confrontation with the USSR)).
  11. makarov
    makarov 28 December 2013 07: 33
    +8
    ".. Chinese scientists emphasize that the departure of the Soviet Union from the world arena became a tragedy for the Russian people, led to the collapse of the whole system of socialist countries, significantly worsened the situation of the peoples of all developing countries ... Most of the speakers pointed to Gorbachev's treacherous activities as a decisive subjective factor of destruction of a great country ... It was especially emphasized that the collapse of the USSR was one of the reasons for the current global financial and economic crisis. "

    Here with these conclusions, it is difficult to challenge and disagree. In this China is right.
  12. Humpty
    Humpty 28 December 2013 07: 39
    +7
    Freedom with Kyrgyz eyes seems so.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 28 December 2013 07: 46
      +7
      Just beyond the Tien Shan mountains, on the example of what 30 years ago was a small provincial town. They see freedom of themselves somehow.
  13. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 28 December 2013 07: 48
    +6
    Like it not ..... And the Chinese are right.
    Not only did they profound and ruin what was at home, but they also poured half the world into the garbage pit of capitalism.
    And now, instead of trying to return what was best under the USSR (naturally modernizing it in accordance with today), they’ll come up with all kinds of nonsense, not interested in the end result.
    This suggests that the country was being built before - AT THE CENTURY and programs were accordingly adopted with the prospect of development.
    And now all programs have an enrichment period until the next election.

    Article plus
  14. Sorry
    Sorry 28 December 2013 07: 53
    +6
    We don’t have time for China, we should catch Belarus. There are no such defects as in Russia either. And neither Gorbachev nor the others are to blame, but we are all to blame, adults then, who betrayed everything and everything. As the rams watched all this and walked silently to where they led. And now all this continues. So that we could make Gorbachev then others today if we were better?
  15. CALL.
    CALL. 28 December 2013 08: 10
    +1
    Most of the speakers pointed to the treacherous activity of Gorbachev as a decisive subjective factor in the destruction of a great country. It was also noted that biased assessments of the Stalinist period in the history of the USSR under Khrushchev did extremely harm to socialist construction and became one of the prerequisites for the development of an anti-communist campaign in the Soviet Union during the time of “perestroika”.

    Now we have discovered the Russian general Vlasov. With Russian generals a special thing. Our brigadenfuhrer Fegelein captured this Russian general. I guarantee you, from almost every Russian general we can make Vlasov! It will be unbelievably cheap. And this Russian, whom we captured, costs us nothing at all. He was the commander of one shock army.
    Our brave Fegelein said to his people: Let’s try to treat him as if he were a general indeed! And famously stood before him at attention: “Mr. General, Mr. General!” After all, everyone is pleased to listen. And here it worked too. Still, this man after all had the Order of Lenin, number 770 ...
    So, this general was treated properly, terribly polite, terribly sweet. In accordance with their peculiarities, the Slavs willingly listen when they are told: “You know this much better than us,” they like to be kindly listened, to debate a little. This man issued all his divisions, his entire offensive plan, and in general everything he knew. The price for this treason? On the third day, we told this general something like this: the fact that there is no turning back to you is true to you. But you are a significant person, and we guarantee you that when the war ends, you will receive the lieutenant general's pension, and in the near future - here you have schnapps, cigarettes and women. That's how cheap you can buy such a general! Very cheap. You see, in such things you need to have a damn accurate calculation. Such a person costs 20 thousand marks a year. Let him live 10 or 15 years, this is 300 thousand marks. If only one battery fires for two days, it also costs 300 thousand marks.
    But it’s dangerous to make a big political program out of a Slav, which ultimately can turn against us. In all this matter of Vlasov’s propaganda, I felt great fear. Actually, I'm not a pessimist, and I rarely get excited. But this business seemed to me dangerous.
    It seemed dangerous to me at the very moment when I began to receive letters from German soldiers stating that we underestimated the Russian man. He is not a robot and not ok, as we know from our propaganda. This is an orderly nation that is oppressed. We must instill in him National Socialism and create a Russian nationalist party. Russians have their own ideals. And then Mr. Vlasov’s ideas arrived: Russia was never defeated by Germany; Russia can only be defeated by the Russians themselves.
    And this Russian pig Mr. Vlasov offers his services for this. Some old people in our country wanted to give this man a millionth army. They wanted to give this unreliable type weapons and equipment so that he could move with this weapon against Russia, or maybe once, which is very likely, what good, and against ourselves!
    From a speech in front of the Reichsleiter and Gauleiter in Poznan, October 6, 1943
  16. 1536
    1536 28 December 2013 08: 12
    +4
    The Chinese themselves did a lot to destroy the USSR. Their help alone to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan is worth a lot. And the Chinese leaders at that time, like the others, patted "Uncle Gorby" on the shoulder and giggled behind him, touched by his new "achievements" in destroying the Soviet regime and the Russian people. They are now, apparently, just summing up the results. They pose new challenges for the future. And we all praise them, we want to learn from them. If firmness in the position to defend the interests of their people, then yes, they have a lot to learn. You have to live your mind, without looking at the Chinese, Africans or Yankees, etc.
    1. Sorry
      Sorry 28 December 2013 08: 16
      +2
      We have all the wealth, but where is the mind?
      1. washi
        washi 28 December 2013 14: 22
        +1
        Quote: Pardon
        We have all the wealth, but where is the mind?

        Start with yourself.
        Read. Get an education. Read not only against, but also for. Think.
        Even on this site, clever thoughts come across, despite the periodic massive attacks of banderlogs
    2. washi
      washi 28 December 2013 14: 17
      +2
      Quote: 1536
      The Chinese themselves have done a lot to destroy the USSR. Their help alone to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan is worth what.

      They conducted experiments.
      And Gorbachev in vain withdrew the troops.
      Would stay there.
      We normally agreed with them.
      There would be no such hemp.
  17. Nitarius
    Nitarius 28 December 2013 08: 13
    +3
    Chinese PROSECUTORS -can be discharged in RUSSIA-so that officials and the 5th column are cleared from US!
  18. olviko
    olviko 28 December 2013 08: 20
    +2
    ". Most of the speakers pointed to Gorbachev's treacherous activities as a decisive subjective factor in the destruction of the great country."


    The hunchback, as it turns out, wanted to stir up perestroika in China, but the Chinese apparently sent him in three letters: "The world without communism will look better. After 2000, an era of peace and general prosperity will come. But the world still has a force that will slow down our movement. to peace and creation. I mean China. I visited China during the big student demonstrations, when it seemed that communism in China would fall. I was going to speak to the demonstrators in that huge square, express my sympathy and support to them and convince them that that they must continue their struggle so that perestroika begins in their country as well. The Chinese leadership did not support the student movement, brutally suppressed the demonstration and ... made the greatest mistake. If the end of communism in China, it would be easier for the world to move along the path of harmony and justice.

    Source: Odessa Forum. http://odessaforum.0pk.ru/viewtopic.php?id=205
  19. CALL.
    CALL. 28 December 2013 10: 08
    +2
    Quote: Beck
    Look at the top. In fact, the Chinese threw the idea of ​​socialism into the economy in the dustbin of history, now the Full Market Economy is there. It was she who led China to the group of world leaders. From socialism in China there was only a gloss of slogans.


    It's simple: it is China that is developing at such a pace that applicants for a unipolar world are clearly not at ease. And they understand that such a pace is precisely the result of national and socialist policies. But history has preserved information about the pace of development unprecedented for capitalism in the National Socialist Reich and the socialist Soviet Union, so it’s clear who does not want a clear understanding of “socialism is the path to development and prosperity”. That is why they are trying to belittle the successes of China, defame, declare myths ...
    1. Beck
      Beck 28 December 2013 11: 38
      -2
      Quote: Z.O.V.
      It's simple: it is China that is developing at such a pace that applicants for a unipolar world are clearly not at ease. And they understand that such a pace is precisely the result of national and socialist policies.


      A unipolar world does not exist by definition. These are the inventions of nationalist shrews, infringed on the current state of Russia. If it were unipolar, then mankind would have died out long ago.

      According to the story. There was Babylon and there was Akkad. Was Egypt a Hittite kingdom. There was Rome and there was ancient China. Was the USSR was the United States. Now the USA, Europe, China. Japan, South Korea. And the polarity is not determined only by the presence of nuclear weapons.

      The theory of Karl Marx, communism, stated in "Capital" was initially erroneous and therefore led to a disastrous result.

      When creating his creation, Marx considered only the reality of the mid-19th century and did not want or could not consider this reality in terms of development and did not take into account the progressive movement of civilization. He thought that manufactory labor would remain forever.

      I have already written above about the advantage of market-based private property over state property. I will dwell on the "driving force" of society, according to Marx, the working class. With the development of education, knowledge, science, new technologies, the current working class is not the same working class of the middle of the 19th century. It has not been a moving force for a long time, it is slowly fading away. See the modern production lines of factories and factories. Do you see a lot of workers behind the machine tools and robots everywhere? There are two and three engineers for the entire workshop.

      Now the driving force behind progress is R&D and the service sector.

      Quote: svoi
      Reflections at the level of soviet (not Soviet) intilligence of the late 80s. The question is - what millions !?


      Yes, let only one child. But there is a whole world in it.

      In general, this Marx, if you rearrange the letters, was written by the all-consuming - Darkness.
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 28 December 2013 14: 18
        0
        Quote: Beck
        On the advantage of private market property over state

        According to Marx, state ownership is one of the signs of nascent imperialism)).
  20. svoi
    svoi 28 December 2013 10: 28
    0
    It is still unknown if Dark comments would have been written if Stalin had been alive. It is possible that the ancestors of Dark would perish in the camps of the 50s, 60s, 70s, even before they met each other. How millions of children were not born from the people who died in the Stalinist repressions. [/ Quote]
    Reflections at the level of soviet (not Soviet) intilligence of the late 80s. The question is - what millions !? Have archived data? Are there specific, documented lists? Are there any burial grounds? Here you are talking with friends about the War, almost everyone has lost relatives. And as for the camps - few have served, but they have bent even less. Millions, brutally tortured by Stalin, Beria are a myth begun by a corn-mailer and all kinds of graphomaniacs, laureates of deceitful prizes, and later skillfully picked up by Western propaganda. And the fact that when cutting wood, sometimes, chips really flew - such a time! But the homeland was also a matter of pride.
  21. propolsky
    propolsky 28 December 2013 10: 36
    +3
    It seems to me that Russia also analyzed this tragedy and today's processes in the post-Soviet space speak for themselves about this. The USSR, albeit in a small model, is beginning to be created, even if the name is different. We will wait, although the people have matured and are waiting!
    1. washi
      washi 28 December 2013 15: 18
      +1
      IVS and VILI was in the minority.
      I had to fulfill the wishes of the Trotskyists.
      Lenin, Stalin, Kirov, Dzerzhinsky, Schors, Kotovsky, Frunze, etc. killed.
      As a result, they came to Trotskyism (helping others to revolution, lack of private (cooperative) property) and Bukharin (hisism. Consumption policy).
      The biggest problem is that Stalin’s work was banned. Marxism required development.
      Marxism was processed by both Lenin and Stalin.
      After their murders, there was no understanding and revision of the theory of communism.
      Capitalism is volatile.
      Theorists of socialism (communism), at the moment, are absent.
  22. PValery53
    PValery53 28 December 2013 11: 18
    +1
    We, as always, rushed along the beaten path of revolutions (foolishly). When (the goat understands) that evolution is the most reliable path of development. Our greedy officials have indulged in the base instinct "to plunder the loot!", That is, to distribute (in their favor) state property (national). And then (their little mind is rather weak!) And rest on those laurels. Now, hanging their legs from the oil and gas pipe, seeds are peeling, purely formally (1% per year!), Supposedly developing industry, but exporting huge capital abroad. Well, how to evaluate all this ?! - Malicious sabotage and self-seeking! Where are our patriots ?! ... ...!
  23. huut
    huut 28 December 2013 11: 20
    -3
    So much joy for China. They are not so happy for Russia. You might think all the Chinese here ...
    By the way, this is our competitor, in the medium or long term, depending on how the reconstruction of the world develops. And like any competitor, he can go to different ways to achieve an advantage if he senses weakness and / or his superiority.

    The euphoria about the "triumph of socialism in a single country," moderate. Moreover, there is a little more of this socialism than a sign. Look at things soberly.
    1. washi
      washi 28 December 2013 15: 39
      +2
      Quote: huut
      The euphoria about the "triumph of socialism in a single country," moderate. Moreover, there is a little more of this socialism than a sign. Look at things soberly.

      Socialism in China is not possible.
      The problems, at the moment, are in the eastern mentality.
      Nor is socialism possible (already) in Europe.
      It is necessary to break the psychology of the population and (the most difficult) leadership (which succumbed to the Protestant ideology).
      Russians are a community.
      The community needs to be recreated.
      Collective farms, cooperatives are good.
      If the land (public property) is not used, then it shall be withdrawn without compensation.
      If the apartments in the houses have been vacant for more than a year - withdraw.
      Intermediaries in the markets to clean.
      Instead of commercial, create state. markets for selling agricultural products. (income tax is less than various exactions from criminals and the national diaspora)
  24. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 28 December 2013 12: 00
    +3
    The Soviet Union could have followed the Chinese path of transformations, but the leadership of the CPSU turned out to be renegades led by Gorbachev, who fell for the sweet word "freedom" that America had hooked on. Gorbachev's "freedom" and perestroika gave birth to Yeltsin with the Gaidars and Chubais. And there it was not far before the collapse ...
  25. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 28 December 2013 13: 18
    +3
    Again, if they return to China, then they have two good things from socialism:
    1. one-party system, that is, there are no fermentations and jumps to the side and back. There is only one program followed by all
    2. When a new leader is elected, the old one has the right to supervise the work of the new one for at least a year so that he does not depart from the state program and does not distort the tasks of the state and the party.

    In our country today, as in many other countries, a multi-party system leads only to internecine wars, the purpose of which is not the welfare of the people, not the economic upsurge of the country, but seats in the government.
    Each candidate has his own program and goals.

    But everything is just a starting point - a program, there is an end - a goal. And the shortest between the points is the straight line - that is, the path.
  26. not good
    not good 28 December 2013 14: 12
    +2
    Now, don’t believe in the role of the personality in history, about which the political workers in the USSR grunted constantly. Two countries, two personalities, two different results. The Chinese were lucky with Deng Xiao Ping, and we and Gorbatov were very unlucky.
  27. Aydin
    Aydin 28 December 2013 15: 16
    +2
    If the USSR was destroyed according to the scenario of the CIA, then Russia will be destroyed precisely by China, because they lay claim to the vast territories of Russia. But Gorbachev and Yeltsin were great scouts of the twentieth century. We speak positively about Kim Filby, and why we don’t speak well about outstanding intelligence agents of other countries, they are the heroes of their countries.
  28. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 28 December 2013 15: 35
    +1
    Quote: Aydin

    then Russia will be collapsed precisely by China, because they lay claim to the vast territories of Russia.


    China did not benefit from the collapse of the Union, and even more so now the fall of Russia is not beneficial. The stronger Russia stands on its feet, the easier it will be for them to raise their status in the Pacific region. No wonder they began to threaten the Americans and the Japanese to dictate conditions.
    It’s just that our relations have become different. China has grown. Now he is not a little brother, but an economic and strategic partner who can restrain Japan and others.
    And about the claims to the territories ..... They said several morons, And we (also several .....) approved the borders in the middle of the shipping fairways. And the river is not a girl, it’s permanent, then it’s wagging its tail there and there.
  29. Beck
    Beck 28 December 2013 19: 09
    +1
    GOODBYE SITE PAGE.

    TALKED, TALKED, AGREED WITH SOMETHING, SOMETHING NOTHING. SO MUST BE.

    EVEN THE JEWELERS AND COMMUNISTS DELIVERED JOY. WITHOUT ME, THEY WOULD AGREE TO BE WITH ANOTHER OTHER AND WITH THEIR MYSELF, FRESH. EVERYTHING AGREES, SILENT YES AND IRONING AND DIFFERENT. AND SO ME HAVE BEEN PAID, BEATED WRITTEN AND MOTHER SILENT. ADRENALIN SPLIDED IN BLOOD, PHYSIOLOGY REVIVED.