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The military is still interested in lasers

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The US Air Force is not going to abandon the idea of ​​becoming the owner of the "death rays". It's about laser weapons. At the end of February 2013, a document was published according to which a request was made for information about the possibility of developing airborne laser weapons that could be installed on promising fighters. The request was prepared by specialists from the US Air Force Research Laboratory. This refers to fighters that will go into service after 2030. The first laser weapons tests for 6th generation fighters are planned in 2022. It is worth noting that similar developments are underway in our country.


According to the requirements of the US military, they need a laser independent of aviation platforms, and a system that can operate at an altitude of 19,8 thousand meters above sea level at a flight speed of 0,6 to 2,5 Mach numbers (690-2900 km / h). By October 2014, the technological readiness of this laser will have to reach the fourth level, when all components of the system are created and go to the stage of laboratory testing. The fifth level is the testing of laser samples in air. It is planned to start them by 2022. The adoption of new weapons systems is planned for the period after 2030. Companies interested in fulfilling this order will have to provide the Air Force Research Laboratory with not only their projects, but also the estimated cost of the work.

According to a published request, the Pentagon is interested in three types of advanced weapons. The first of these is low-power lasers, which are used for targeting, tracking and target illumination, and combat enemy surveillance systems. The second type is medium power lasers, the main purpose of which is self-defense of an aircraft against enemy missiles. The third type is a high-power laser, the main purpose of which will be the destruction of targets both in the air and on the ground.

The military is still interested in lasers

According to the US Air Force, sixth-generation fighters equipped with laser weapons will have to operate relatively freely where maneuvers are restricted or forbidden or in areas closed to flight. By these formulations, the US Air Force understands not only the fight against enemy air defense and aviation, but also the conditions under which the supply of provisions and spare parts are seriously hindered or seem impossible. This also includes the lack of financial and political influence in the region.

American sailors and pilots began to formulate a list of requirements for combat lasers, at the beginning of the 2011 year. It is assumed that funding for the project to develop full-fledged combat lasers will begin in 2015 year. Earlier, the US military said that, most likely, the fighters belonging to the sixth generation will be hypersonic vehicles that will have the option of piloting. It is assumed that such aircraft will be super-maneuverable and hardly noticeable; most likely, the largest American companies Boeing and Lockheed Martin will join the program for their creation.

Russia has something to answer

In Russia, it was also decided to resume work on the creation of a combat air-based laser. It is assumed that with its help it will be possible to disable not only aircraft, but also satellites, as well as ballistic missiles of a potential enemy. A similar weapon in the Soviet Union was developed since the middle of the 1960-s, it was then that an interest in the combat laser appeared. By 1973, a special design bureau was organized in the USSR. The first air-based laser unit was placed on the A-60 prototype, created on the basis of the Il-76 military transport. He performed his first flight with an A-60 laser on board in 1983, and in 1984, Soviet pilots were able to hit their first air target with a laser. By the 1991, in the USSR, the X-NUMX of the А-2 aircraft was already, however, with the collapse of the country, funding for this program was also stopped.

A-60 1A2

The aircraft — a flying laboratory for testing airborne lasers — was created on the basis of the IL-76MD military transport with minor design changes. Instead of the traditional meteorological radar, a bulbous fairing was mounted in the nose of the car, in which special equipment was placed. Most likely, there was a radar antenna or a lidar system aiming a laser installation. From the sides of the fuselage, covered with special fairings, the turbogenerators of the power grid were located, which ensured the functioning of the entire laser complex. The auxiliary power unit IL-76MD has been replaced by a more powerful one. The doors of the cargo hatch were dismantled, and the hatch itself is sewn up. On the plane there were no front emergency exits and the doors in the fuselage were modified.

The airborne laser machine was made without a fairing - it could retract into the aircraft fuselage. At the top of the fuselage between the wing and the keel housed sash, which included several segments. The flaps were cleaned freely inside the aircraft and the laser could easily climb into the opening formed. On the second prototype, which was designated 1А2, the laser machine was already under a special fairing, which was called the “hump”. The laser unit was in the fuselage behind the wing of the aircraft, its placement was structurally different from the first prototype 1А1.

After 1991, the work in the bureau was carried out almost on the personal initiative of the employees themselves. Only in 2009, the resumption of work on financing the development of aviation lasers was announced by full academic advisor to the Academy of Engineering Sciences of the Russian Federation Yuri Zaitsev. It was just about the same air laboratory A-60, which was installed "blinding laser". Its main purpose is the impact on optical homing heads of modern ballistic missiles, as well as on satellite observation systems of a potential enemy. At what stage this project is currently located is unknown. In 2011, funding was again suspended, but in 2012, it was resumed.

SLK 1K17 "Compression"

Financing work on the development of the laser is in the interests of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. A more powerful laser is planned to be delivered to the A-60, it is about installing the 1LK222, which was developed by Chemical Machinery. The works are carried out within the framework of the Sokol-Echelon R & D project by the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern. The lead developer of the 1LK222 laser complex is Almaz-Antey GSKB. At the end of 2011, all necessary design documentation was created in KB. Installation tests were scheduled to take place in the 2013 year, but first, the aircraft carrier will have to undergo the necessary upgrades. It is worth noting that the Russian military department has not yet decided on which planes combat lasers will be installed on. Most likely, it will be bombers and military transport aircraft.

In addition to the work on А-60, other works on the creation of laser weapons were carried out in Russia. So at the beginning of the 1990-s in our country was assembled a prototype of a mobile laser gun, which was deployed on the basis of ACS "Msta-S". The project received the designation 1K17 "Compression". The basis of this unique complex was a multichannel solid-state laser. According to unconfirmed information, an artificial cylindrical ruby ​​crystal with a total mass of 30 kg was grown specifically for the “Compression” installation. According to another version, the body of a laser could be an yttrium aluminum garnet, to which neodymium was added.

Self-propelled laser complex (SLK) 1K17 "Compression" was ready in 1992 year. Its main purpose is to fight a potential adversary with optical-electronic devices. It used a multichannel laser. There were a total of 12 optical channels (2 series of lenses), each of which had an individual guidance system. The use of a multichannel scheme allowed us to perform multi-band SLK. As a counter to such systems, the adversary could try to protect the optics by installing light filters that would block the radiation of a certain frequency. However, against simultaneous damage by laser beams having different wavelengths, light filters are useless.

SLK 1K17 "Compression"

In this case, the main problem of any laser today is their very low efficiency. Even in the most complex and most advanced installations, it only reaches the level of 20%. Installation "eats" a lot of electricity. For this reason, high-power generators and an auxiliary power unit (APU) occupied most of the increased logging of the Msta-S ACS (which in itself was rather big), on the basis of which the SLC Compression was located. Generators were engaged in charging the capacitor battery, which gave a powerful pulse discharge to the lamps. At the same time, it was necessary to “fill up” capacitors with time; at that time the installation was useless. The rate of fire of the complex is probably one of its most mysterious parameters, as well as one of the most serious tactical flaws.

According to the brochures of NPO Astrophysics, the range of the SLC Compression was at least twice the range of modern tanks. Consequently, if the enemy’s hypothetical tank was approaching installation in an open area, it could be disabled even before it could open fire. On the one hand, it sounds tempting, on the other hand, direct fire is both an advantage and the main disadvantage of the laser complex. What is acceptable in the air is unacceptable on earth. Laser operation requires direct line of sight, but on land, even in the desert, a target 10 km away is hidden behind the horizon. Therefore, the SLK would have to be located on high ground, on public display, which is contraindicated in real combat conditions. In addition, on Earth, most of the theaters of war have at least some relief.

Contrary to common misconceptions, SLC 1K17 "Compression" did not fall under the UN protocol, which prohibits the use of blinding weapons, as the complex is designed to combat optical-electronic systems of military equipment, rather than personnel of units. At the same time, the use of laser weapons, for which the blinding of soldiers is a possible side effect of the work, is not prohibited.

In 1993, the project to create a self-propelled laser machine "Compression" was stopped. The only remaining copy of this machine is currently in storage in the Military Technical Museum, located in the village of Ivanovo near Moscow. However, given the increased interest of the Ministry of Defense of Russia in promising developments, many domestic air and ground-based laser complexes can count on a second life. It was for such purposes that Dmitry Rogozin in October 2012 of the year initiated the creation of the Advanced Research Fund in Russia (analogous to the US agency DARPA). Most likely, Rogozin will not regret the money for high-risk research and development.

Information sources:
http://vpk-news.ru/articles/18565
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-680.html
http://www.arms-expo.ru/056056056049.html
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  1. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 27 December 2013 09: 53
    +1
    We are waiting for our new developments in laser weapons, amers need to catch up ...
    1. andranick
      andranick 27 December 2013 11: 46
      +12
      What a fright to catch up with ?! For a long time already chewed and vysl ... SPEED OUT!
      If we talk about the damaging effect, then at the moment there are no methods for focusing the beam within the atmosphere at long distances, there are no acceptable energy sources, the use in ground combat conditions is not at all possible at distances of more than 500 m. Hence, there is only one damaging effect - "mixing with mind "homing systems, blinding effect
      But, of course, do not calm down. Studies on application possibilities should be conducted.
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 27 December 2013 12: 08
        +6
        "If we talk about the damaging effect, then at the moment there are no methods of focusing the beam within the atmosphere at long distances, there are no acceptable sources of energy, the use in conditions of ground combat... "Well, if you have not been informed, then nothing can be done ... You cannot consider the dogmas of the past as constancy for ever and ever. Science does not stand still - this is the main dogma!
        1. andranick
          andranick 27 December 2013 12: 25
          +3
          Quote: Tektor
          Science does not stand still - this is the main dogma!
          Exactly. Therefore, studies were / are being conducted. But the laws of optical physics have not been canceled. In space - fight as much as you like, in the atmosphere - until it works. Laser fever looks like SOI-2, and as a result, undoubtedly, it will lead to some side-breaking technologies.

          In the meantime, all the talk about lasers is the same myth as
          ... fighters belonging to the sixth generation will be hypersonic vehicles that will receive the option of piloting ... will be super maneuverable and inconspicuous
          1. Tektor
            Tektor 27 December 2013 12: 47
            +1
            But the laws of optical physics have not been canceled.
            Well, that’s absolutely true! It is only necessary to apply them correctly ... and on the moon you can do something locally upright, for example, precisely destroy the reflector that the Americans left.
          2. Impact
            Impact 27 December 2013 15: 00
            -3
            Quote: andranick
            In the meantime, all the talk about lasers is the same myth as
            ... fighters belonging to the sixth generation will be hypersonic vehicles that will receive the option of piloting ... will be super maneuverable and inconspicuous

            For the Potsreots - a myth, for normal people - the near future. (military lasers)
            The company Boeing has created a powerful laser that can provide a "laser revolution" in the military
            TDL

            http://topwar.ru/34341-kompaniya-boeing-sozdala-moschnyy-lazer-kotoryy-mozhet-ob
            espechit-lazernuyu-revolyuciyu-v-voennom-dele.html
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          4. Basarev
            Basarev 18 January 2014 12: 30
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            That is, according to their classification, our PAK FA belongs to the sixth generation - subtle and super maneuverable.
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      3. postman
        postman 27 December 2013 13: 04
        +6
        Quote: andranick
        about the damaging effect, there are currently no methods for focusing the beam within the atmosphere over long distances,

        ??






        Where was it? (IN SPACE?), At what distance was (2 meters)?
        During the tests, the laser gun pierced a 15 mm sheet of steel from a distance of one (!!!) kilometer. Also, the cannon hit a steel ball with a diameter of 82 millimeters flying at a speed of 180 kilometers per hour, as well as two unmanned vehicles at a distance of two (!!!!) kilometers.
        [/ Center]

        The 50kw laser weapons system used radar and optical systems ...
        he nose-diving drones were flying at 50 meters per second, And were shot down when they reached a programmed fire sector.
        Quote: andranick
        there are no acceptable sources of energy, the use in ground combat is not at all possible at distances of more than 500 m.

        exactly?


        [Center]

        The high energy laser system was used to cut through a 15mm-thick steel girder, and to shoot out of the air a steel ball designed to mimic a mortar round.
        http://www.rheinmetall-defence.com/en/rheinmetall_defence/public_relations/news/

        archive_2011 / details_1218.php
        1. postman
          postman 27 December 2013 13: 07
          +1
          Quote: andranick
          Hence there is only one striking effect - "driving mad" homing systems, blinding effect

          Who are you crazy about? not you?

          ==============
          And the "source" is compact


          Gamma Laser Demonstrates Burning Through an Anti-Ship Missile Skin






          Northrop Grumman has test fired a ruggedized and compact high power solid-state laser designed to form the basic module of future, operational laser weapons. The 13.3 kW solid-state slab laser called 'Gamma' enables designers to shrink the weight and size and ruggedize laser systems enabling their deployment on military platforms
        2. andranick
          andranick 27 December 2013 13: 58
          +6
          The cartoon is gorgeous! :) Add real weather factors to the flight conditions: convection, humidity, dust, smoke, fog / haze, rain - any factor of your choice - and the laser will shut up. It is possible to pierce the channel to the beam, but this piercing is not instantaneous, during this time the target can move significantly. And only if the OMS can calculate the point at which the target will appear in a few seconds, and is able to break through the channel there, the target will be hit. But who would allow that ?! (I am silent about the possibility of the target to maneuver). Yes, and a moving "steel sheet" in the form of armored vehicles will burn for a long time, it will be worn out :) So chill :) Realistically it should be used only at altitude or in space. At altitude - restrictions on the weight of the power plant or the frequency of shots, in space - on the energy reserve.
          Well, the laser is also good at staging scenes for knocking out money from taxpayers. Here in this regard - class, let the bourgeoisie wrappers wrappers :)

          Yes, and a distance of 1-2 km is not at all interesting, from such a distance you can throw so many "balls" into it that your darling will bend. :) at least 9mm, at least 12mm caliber.
          1. postman
            postman 27 December 2013 17: 15
            +4
            Quote: andranick
            The cartoon is gorgeous! :)

            There is not only a cartoon, but also an photo and video (and not just Rheinmetal), you can look at the report on the Rheinmetal or the Oerlikon. He is
            Quote: andranick
            and the laser shuts up.

            - it depends on what kind of "laser", blue-green spectrum and water does not harm
            -will be like the United States, the meter receives data on the state of the atmosphere, the "flexible phased" lens makes adjustments.
            Note: Thailand, overcast (no salt at all) - you burn in 40 minutes
            Quote: andranick
            the target can move significantly.

            look at the parameters of the "head" of the yerlikon, be surprised at the radial speed and vertical aiming speed, for it, the change in the location of the la in space at such a distance - ugh, it will accompany him (la) and 50 mot itself - WITHOUT PROBLEMS

            Quote: andranick
            Yes, and a moving "steel sheet" in the form of armored vehicles

            this is for air defense, missile defense, mines and shells. Tanks do not fly yet ...
            Quote: andranick
            So go cold :)

            I did not overheat.
            The laser (unlike you, most likely), saw live and even burned (for the sake of sports interest) a brush m \ u large and pointing
            Quote: andranick
            . At height - weight limit of a power plant

            chemical
            LIMITATION - toxicity of both the components themselves and the "exhaust"
            Quote: andranick
            or frequency of shots

            revolving feed
            Quote: andranick
            in space - by the supply of energy.

            yep .... chemical. LIMITATION - on heat dissipation (70-80% of energy)
            Quote: andranick
            money from taxpayers. Here in this regard - class, let the bourgeoisie wrappers wrappers :)

            Yeah ... the same thing puffed about: aviation, Aegis, ATGM and so on
            All this is said by the narrow-minded, in general people who are poorly educated, I would say

            Quote: andranick
            Yes, and the distance of 1-2 km is not at all interesting

            -You, a little higher, asserted about the "range" of only 500m, no more?
            - Near air defense, missile defense of a ship, stationary object, etc.? (Phalanx can't cope already)
            -bad trouble start: The kid was 20kt and barely fit in the Super Fortress, and now.
            I’ll keep silent about computers
            1. viktor_ui
              viktor_ui 28 December 2013 08: 04
              +2
              Honorable - a very curious dispute and I hope that you will convince him nevertheless ... but if andranik judges the laser at the "flashlight" level, it will be a pity drinks ... I wonder if he will believe in the existence of an underwater telescope ??? And will they believe in the possibility of measuring gravitational oscillations and subsequent distortions (stretching and compression of the earth structure of any category of complexity). Good luck drinks
              We have already entered the world phase of the next round of scientific and technological revolution and it is a pity that in my country the "swamp" still dominates.
              1. andranick
                andranick 28 December 2013 14: 31
                +1
                Quote: viktor_ui
                Postman is a very interesting argument and I hope that you will convince him anyway.
                Argue? When staged publicity stunts are put forward as arguments in the style of "here we are, what are we cool, it was not in vain that we spent a lot of money, but we need one more"? :) Dismiss.
                I wonder if he will believe in the existence of an underwater telescope ??? And will they believe in the possibility of measuring gravitational oscillations and subsequent distortions (stretching and compression of the earth structure of any category of complexity)
                I believe, I believe, to every beast, wolf, hedgehog, but what I don’t know about - I'll wait. :) You see, I prefer to know and understand reason. With faith - to the church and to the hamsters. Therefore, the answer is - I do not believe it. And about knowledge - not in the subject, sorry, but nothing to say, finally I have no idea.
                1. viktor_ui
                  viktor_ui 29 December 2013 08: 30
                  +1
                  andranick - well, then you certainly would be so kind as not to believe in the world of microorganisms and not to wash your palms before eating ... which is steaming, because you do not see them and that means they do not exist. Or do you still want to wash, but purely start from completely different positions? With a great desire, we can reduce anything to the topic of "staged tricks", but the essence of the events will not change from this, and these "events" and especially those who generate them will be deeply on the drum on "OUR FI".
                  The topic of our dispute, UNIVERSAL, has already left the stage of laboratories and test benches and quietly moved to the level of landfills ... whether we want it or not. Now we can console ourselves with the fact that in this technology the USSR was once ahead of the rest and pull out a photo of a shabby fragment of former power. hi
                  1. andranick
                    andranick 29 December 2013 12: 11
                    -1
                    Quote: viktor_ui
                    andranick - well then you certainly would be kind enough not to believe in the world of microorganisms and not to wash your hands before eating ... which is soaring, because you do not see them and that means they do not exist.

                    :) Faith and knowledge are two different things, I have already spoken about this. I don’t see microbes, much less atoms, but I KNOW about them. To know, one does not need to see or believe.
                    And faith ... It is blind and unconditional, like opium for the people. Demonstrators showed you - you believe, they are designed for this. And this is your personal matter. In the absence of knowledge, one can believe, for example, in extraterrestrials; one can also bring the darkness of photo and video materials and eyewitness accounts. Based on the same evidence, another person will believe in something else - in parallel worlds or guests from the future. That is faith. AND any I respect faith. I also believe in a lot, for example, in the revival of Russia, although I don’t know when and under what conditions this will take place, but I believe and will contribute to it.
                2. postman
                  postman 30 December 2013 17: 01
                  0
                  Quote: andranick
                  staged advertising stunts in the style of "here we are, we are cool,


                  Well, what’s the reason for me?
                  (Though I have been to RM ... so what?
              2. andranick
                andranick 28 December 2013 15: 04
                0
                Here, thanks to you, I was enlightened about the underwater Baikal neutrino telescope. Are you talking about him? Now i'm about him I know. Thank you.
                1. viktor_ui
                  viktor_ui 29 December 2013 08: 33
                  +2
                  andranick - no respected, I hinted about the French bottom telescope. Did they finish it? Can you compare the level of products?
              3. postman
                postman 30 December 2013 17: 00
                0
                Quote: viktor_ui
                We have already entered the world phase of the next round of scientific and technological revolution and it’s a pity

                That's for sure. It is enough to look around vokurg.
                The world has changed and continues
            2. viktor_ui
              viktor_ui 28 December 2013 08: 04
              +2
              Honorable - a very curious dispute and I hope that you will convince him nevertheless ... but if andranik judges the laser at the "flashlight" level, it will be a pity drinks ... I wonder if he will believe in the existence of an underwater telescope ??? And will they believe in the possibility of measuring gravitational oscillations and subsequent distortions (stretching and compression of the earth structure of any category of complexity). Good luck drinks
              We have already entered the world phase of the next round of scientific and technological revolution and it is a pity that in my country the "swamp" still dominates.
            3. andranick
              andranick 28 December 2013 15: 35
              -1
              Quote: Postman
              You, a little higher, asserted about the "range" of only 500m, no more?

              Yes, the 1-2 km zone is not interesting. An interesting zone up to 500 m for the purpose of protection against small-sized ballistic targets and a zone over 50+ km for the purpose of strategic protection of the area. A UAV, if it is "spotted" and is in air defense visibility, is much easier to intercept with existing means. Destroy all flying balls of the "projectile" type in the 2 km zone specified by you, the laser cannon will run out of steam, and you really need to. That's when it comes to installing, for example, on a tank, and if it can reflect several shells flying at it at the same time - that will be the case. But here you don't need 2 km. There are no special fundamental problems, there are technical ones that do not allow moving to practical implementation. Your pictures demonstrate this. And regarding metal cutting, laser cutting has long been used on an industrial scale.
              In the area of ​​50+ km now there are already much simpler, more reliable and effective means, acting like a laser.
              1. postman
                postman 30 December 2013 17: 04
                0
                Any is interesting.
                500 m, for the NW PRK, let’s say either a projectile-LESS SECONDS, already an adieu.
                Quote: andranick
                a zone of 1-2 km is not interesting. An interesting zone is up to 500 m in order to protect against small ballistic targets and an area of ​​over 50+ km for the strategic protection of the area. B

                Quote: andranick
                during this time, the target can move significantly. And only if the LMS can calculate the point,

                and beam weapons (compared to the same phalanx) have a global advantage.
                1. no anticipation is necessary (the speed of the "striking" element on a scale up to the near-earth orbit is INSTANT, 300 000 km / s)
                2. Precisely, no need to spend 100kg bb shells.
                just look at how the phalanx by mistake "saws" the F-6 (in my opinion) instead of the PCR simulator
          2. Basarev
            Basarev 18 January 2014 12: 34
            0
            In this sense, railguns are much more interesting. Yes, they also consume energy before figs, but a relatively compact source has already been created in the form of explosive magnetic generators. And yet no atmospheric conditions can interfere with the railgun.
      4. Acoustic
        Acoustic 27 December 2013 13: 53
        +2
        Clever. Nobody remembered the fathers of this brainchild: BASSOV-PROKHOROV !!!!! Well, the Americans (we will not belittle) What a laser-shmaser !! An optical quantum generator, if you like, a generator of coherent radiation, if you please ... And the lovers of the hynerboloid engineer Garin; as my beloved professor Preobrazhensky F.F. used to say - "... to drive with you ... to the 7th grade ... to teach optics" With admiration
      5. kontrol
        kontrol 27 December 2013 22: 17
        +3
        yes, yes, yes. A laser beam 0.1 mm in diameter released from the moon gives a spot of 2 km on the ground, it seems or so. Focusing is pretty hard. although it’s probably possible.
      6. Basarev
        Basarev 18 January 2014 12: 28
        0
        As for the sizzling laser, everything is clear to me personally - it’s not yet possible to create it, but against the optoelectronic systems it’s quite possible to create a laser. The burnt out arrays of surveillance cameras and thermal imagers will negate even the coolest drones and make enemy targets easy prey
    2. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 27 December 2013 13: 34
      -1
      Quote: slavik_gross
      We are waiting for our new developments in laser weapons, amers need to catch up ...


      When it comes to you that there’s no way to catch up with anyone ... ??? You just need to destroy it.
  2. itr
    itr 27 December 2013 11: 17
    +2
    I would grumble from the laser!
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    2. Gato
      Gato 27 December 2013 12: 03
      +9
      Quote: itr
      I would grumble from the laser!

      What problems? Buy a laser pointer fellow
      My cub wrapped three pieces of tape on a children's gun with tape - and runs, portrays a Predator
      1. itr
        itr 27 December 2013 14: 10
        +2
        nor what does your old predator child remember! cool movie especially the first episode
        1. GHG
          GHG 27 December 2013 16: 38
          +3
          nor what does your old predator child remember! cool movie especially the first episode

          There is also a newer one, "Predators" of 2010. There Oleg Taktarov starred as a Russian special forces. And in general, the film is no worse than the 1st "Predator"
      2. itr
        itr 27 December 2013 14: 10
        +1
        nor what does your old predator child remember! cool movie especially the first episode
      3. rolik
        rolik 27 December 2013 15: 02
        +1
        Quote: Gato
        My cub wrapped three pieces of tape on a children's gun with tape - and runs, portrays a Predator

        laughing laughing laughing
        The same nonsense was, only he wound up and portrayed an iron man))))))
        1. Gato
          Gato 27 December 2013 17: 03
          +3
          Quote: rolik
          There was the same nonsense, only he wound up and portrayed an iron man)

          Gee, I watched the picture at the cottage: adult men drunk played star wars - put buckets and a duel on laser heads on their heads. Jedi Tipo.
          One of them was me repeat, each age has its own "heroes" laughing
          1. SSR
            SSR 27 December 2013 22: 46
            +3
            Oh, oh, oh ..... We’ve been on the same NG with friends since childhood (for once) 7 men ... In the backwoods they celebrated NG ..... Two in the morning and six nerds with Chinese salutes (I don’t remember) 20 charges from a distance of 30 meters naughty at each other .... Kwaka damn ..... Well, 30 meters, of course I’m the same .... But there were 20 meters. ((((The 7th put Bengal arrows in the direction of the arrow lights, set on fire and fired at the sky.
            1. Gato
              Gato 27 December 2013 23: 03
              +3
              Quote: SSR
              20 charges from a distance of 30 meters grumbled at each other

              laughing
              I have a friend, the former commander of the MLRS division (Tornadoes). Can you imagine his fantasies on a drunken head?
              And I am a former officer of the WRC. Once on a regular booze, 6 cans of vodka disappeared somewhere. Naturally, they began an investigation. Naturally, found. It turned out that I myself hid them so that they would not get drunk all before the New Year. request
              Well, happy new year! laughing
              1. SSR
                SSR 31 December 2013 22: 56
                0
                Alcohol is evil, but life is such that alcohol is a doctor, we cried alone and crawled with a string bag with alcohol, crawled to hide so that we wouldn’t get drunk.
  3. unclevad
    unclevad 27 December 2013 11: 19
    +8
    Here the question is who is catching up with whom. A colleague served in the Black Sea Fleet on an experimental ship. It was in the 70 - 80s. They tested a laser system for the destruction of cruise ship missiles, and trained on real models, of course Soviet-made (no one, I think, would argue that our missiles were the most advanced in the world then). It was not possible to destroy them, but they were specifically led away from the target, which in itself is excellent. I know about the development of the most powerful gas-dynamic lasers as a response to the program for the deployment of weapons by states in space (I held deflector blades in my hands).
    We have enough work. There is more money and a modern elemental base. And Rogozin is acting in the right direction. Sensible and honest helpers to him!
    1. Gato
      Gato 27 December 2013 13: 08
      +7
      Quote: unclevad
      A colleague served in the Black Sea Fleet on an experimental ship. It was in the 70 - 80s.

      In the late 80s I worked at NPO "Kvant", I am a little familiar with this topic, I saw this experimental vessel and the test site in Feodosia.
      I must clarify that no one set a goal to destroy the rocket - this was then a technically unrealistic task.
      Another thing is to "blind" or divert to a false target the optical-electronic seeker. But the laser is absolutely useless against a radar seeker.
      In addition, the laser system is also precision optics, which is very "afraid" of vibration and shock loads. For example, the optics had to be readjusted every time after the ship was at full speed (I generally keep quiet about firing naval artillery, even small-caliber ones).
      Well and most importantly - the effect of laser radiation is VERY highly dependent on atmospheric factors, especially over the sea. Vapors, fog, turbulence, water suspension and a bunch more.
  4. Azaat
    Azaat 27 December 2013 12: 10
    +1
    And in Switzerland, combat lasers are already being tested.
    Rheinmetal Defense tested a new 50 kW high-energy laser at its Oxenboden training ground in Switzerland.

    The 50-kilowatt system participating in the tests included stations with a capacity of 20 kW for static tests and 30 kW for static and dynamic tests installed on the Oerlikon anti-aircraft gun turrets, as well as the Skygard fire control system of this artillery installation. The laser system pierced a steel beam with a thickness of 15 mm at a distance of 1.000 m, destroyed a steel ball with a diameter of 82 mm, moving at a speed of 50 m / s, and destroyed diving unmanned targets at a speed of 50 m / s and at a distance of 2 km. “The goal of the tests was to prove that separately located high-energy laser weapon systems using existing Rheinmetall laser technology can irradiate a single target in a combined, cumulative manner,” the company said in a statement. Experts note that the tests performed show how the level of development in the field of military laser systems has increased in recent years. In 2013, the company plans to finance the testing of 60 kW high-energy laser weapons and claims that from a technical point of view there is no problem for a 100 kW system to appear in the future.
    1. SSR
      SSR 27 December 2013 23: 02
      0
      Quarrels. Who is there and what is there experienced - everything is a forest field, everything is for an average person.
      Let me put it easier, or more difficult .... People who are aware of the Dubnium element? But it’s not so ... We can tryndet to be clever .. But it’s not so. We have specialists who do what they do not write about, and we are still in favor, and pshikalki pointers make an "impression" on the inhabitants.
  5. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 27 December 2013 12: 29
    -2
    A laser requires a large amount of energy. take it especially nowhere. Unless on nuclear powered ships. until a new source of energy appears, things will not go beyond confusing the guidance system. I think so. in addition, there is a video in YouTube how to assemble a laser from the laser head of a DVD Roma. at least a match from him lights up smile
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 27 December 2013 12: 42
      -1
      So it is necessary to build, for example, on the coasts a couple of nuclear power plants or several floating nuclear power plants to the squadron, and next to it is the laser installation itself. How cool I came up with, eh? repeat
      1. igordok
        igordok 27 December 2013 14: 49
        +2
        Quote: fzr1000
        How cool I came up with, eh?

        Your avatar is talking about this. good
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  7. postman
    postman 27 December 2013 13: 19
    +1
    Quote: Author
    According to the requirements of the US military, they need a laser, platform independent and a system that can operate at an altitude of 19,8 thousand meters above sea level at a flight speed of 0,6 to 2,5 Mach numbers (690-2900 km / h)


    "not dependent on the aircraft platform," how's that?
    on UAVs, F-16, Appach .... not to place, and they will not satisfy "an altitude of up to 19,8 thousand meters above sea level at a flight speed of 0,6 to 2,5 Mach numbers (690-2900 km / h) "

    Will always depend

    Quote: Author
    It is assumed that such aircraft will be super maneuverable and inconspicuous, most likely

    all in a heap .. These "super-maneuverable and unobtrusive," - they definitely will not be able to spot the striking laser weapon

    Quote: Author
    As a counter to such systems, the adversary could try to protect the optics by installing light filters

    Sensor (sensor) of exposure to coherent radiation (laser) +:
    1. curtains
    2. pyro cartridge with smoke bomb
    3. emulsion spraying
    etc.
    the laser beam takes time to expose ...
    Test ("BYTOVUKHA", China, most likely) of 2013 radar detectors, on the VIZIR radar and AMATA laser

    Quote: Author
    Consequently, if the enemy’s hypothetical tank was suitable for installation in an open area, it could be disabled even before it could open fire

    "it could have been put out of action" the tank will not be out of action, but the (MAYBE) ECO and PN are disabled.
    And (even if it does)?
    The tank will just crush the "Squeeze"
  8. Power
    Power 27 December 2013 14: 15
    0
    We have a large country, few people, why do we need these lasers? Let the Chinese soldiers tape laser pointers to their Kalash and run with them. We need something asymmetrically gigantic, something fatal, that would immediately "grunt" and in half. And it is, only it is a military secret. soldier
  9. Igor39
    Igor39 27 December 2013 16: 17
    +4
    For many decades, kinetic weapons will not replace anything ...
    There is nothing more effective than a cobblestone!
  10. kind
    kind 27 December 2013 19: 48
    +4
    Quote: Igor39
    For many decades, kinetic weapons will not replace anything ...
    There is nothing more effective than a cobblestone!

    Voroshilov and Budyonny were also thought when they criticized the tanks. They believed that there was nothing worse than a dashing cavalry attack.
    1. poquello
      poquello 28 December 2013 00: 44
      +1
      Quote: Good
      Quote: Igor39
      For many decades, kinetic weapons will not replace anything ...
      There is nothing more effective than a cobblestone!

      Voroshilov and Budyonny were also thought when they criticized the tanks. They believed that there was nothing worse than a dashing cavalry attack.

      They dreamed of Lucas, Skywalker and the Jedi swords at night.
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  11. rereture
    rereture 27 December 2013 22: 42
    0
    I don’t think that the laser will become a replacement for firearms, or a panacea for missiles and aircraft, since no one canceled the laws of optics.

    It’s cool to mold enemy soldiers and their optical devices.
  12. poquello
    poquello 28 December 2013 00: 49
    +1
    Our experts in bourgeois luminaires have already spoken out, for every expensive laser there are cheap means of protection.
  13. Tron
    Tron 28 December 2013 04: 17
    0
    The laser system pierced a steel beam with a thickness of 15 mm at a distance of 1.000 m, destroyed a steel ball with a diameter of 82 mm, moving at a speed of 50 m / s, and destroyed diving unmanned targets at a speed of 50 m / s and at a distance of 2 km.


    Well, what if the target moves at a speed of 1000 - 1200 m / s and at the same time actively maneuvers? And on the way hypersonic missiles. So laser weapons were exotic, so they will remain in the coming years.
    Of course, experimental work needs to be done, but until a compact and powerful source of energy is developed, nothing sensible will come of it. And then there is a doubt that our traditional physics is capable of this. Is it not time to create an alternative for it?
    1. Voronbit
      Voronbit 28 December 2013 10: 37
      -1
      Buddy fully subscribe to your comment
  14. Voronbit
    Voronbit 28 December 2013 10: 32
    0
    strange things are said in the article ... in my opinion (I am an amateur) before creating a laser, how to work and work as a full-fledged means of destruction, but at the expense of maneuverable hypersound ... nuuuu !!!! ... there are more questions with GZ than answers ....... A missile (not ballistic) missile up to 15000 meters is even afraid of flying (rz-more than 6max) (max-ratio of the speed of air flowing around the product to the speed of sound at a given altitude (pressure) and in general the meaning of creating CR with GZ in my opinion is very ambiguous
  15. Kir
    Kir 28 December 2013 18: 28
    0
    What kind of laser can we talk about if the "customer" requires super-maneuverability from the hypersonic "flying machine", the record holder - the Blackbird has not taught anything ?, so ...... And besides, but where is the vaunted principle shot and forgotten? Well, yes, the enemy will probably move along a well-known trajectory, etc., I wonder in this regard, why then do the Americans design maneuvering bullets? then he may recall that even in the days of the USSR, protection against combat lasers was designed, including by creating a "cloud" with certain optical properties.
    It smacks of how some rightly pointed out the new SDI.
  16. nod739
    nod739 1 January 2014 20: 04
    0
    Quote: slavik_gross
    amers need to catch up ...

    you are not right
    they caught up with us. we did it 30 years ago
    done another thing - and forgot
    need to remember and move on