Military Review

Ukrainian Air Force in 2013 year (“Dziennik Zbrojny”, Polska)

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The Armed Forces of Ukraine are still in the phase of structural changes. The constant lack of funding means that in recent years only about 30% of airplanes and helicopters in the Armed Forces are operational. Modernization efforts are underway, but their scale is far from sufficient.


Heritage "Big Brother"


According to various sources, Ukraine inherited from the Soviet Union up to 3600 aircraft and helicopters, and as a result, all this was subordinated to the Air Force [Armed Forces] of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on March 17, 1992 (Powers of the Zbroynykh Forces of Ukraine). The headquarters was organized on the basis of the 24th Air Army of the USSR Air Force (since March 1992 it is located in Vinnitsa). The new state got as much as 49 aviation regiments, 11 separate squadrons, aviation schools, ground services. Out of more than three thousand units of aviation equipment, there were about 2750 aircraft, including 1650 combat ones, and about 850 helicopters, including 285 attack ones. Some of these types were obsolete, so only aircraft of the latest generations were chosen, and newer ones entered service with the new state.

The greatest combat value are Su-27 fighters. In total, Kiev had 67 units Su-27.

MiG-29 machines were in 9.12 and 9.13 versions - their total number reached 216, including 155 machines in the latest version, with a more modern radio electronics system and increased fuel reserves.

There were also about 250 front-line bombers Su-24 and Su-24М, 36 machines Su-24МР. In addition, BTA had several dozens of IL-76, as well as dozens of lighter transport vehicles An-24 and An-26, and around 100 training L-39C Albatros.

Initially, the Air Force also included: the Tu-22М2 long-range bomber, the Su-17М4 front-line bomber and the Su-15ТМ, MiG-23MLD and MiG-25 interceptors. They were, however, rather quickly decommissioned. In 1992, there were also X-NUMX Il-20 aircraft in Ukraine. In the nineties, these machines were converted into transport aircraft.

Ukrainian Air Force in 2013 year (“Dziennik Zbrojny”, Polska)


For many years, the Su-27 fighter aircraft will remain the most important aircraft in the military aviation of Ukraine. To keep the aircraft in combat condition, 2-3 machines are being repaired in Zaporozhye per year.

Photo: Tomasz Kwasek


The collapse of the Soviet empire led to the breakdown of military-industrial ties with Russia, which were especially evident in the nineties. This, in turn, caused a gradual decrease in the combat capability of Ukrainian military aviation. In the period 1996-2000. more than 300 aircraft were decommissioned; more than 200 was decommissioned in the next decade. Only in this decade, the growth of funding allowed to start repairs, but it will take several years.

Aircraft and air defense


Now in service around 200 combat aircraft (official data talking about 208 combat aircraft in 2012 year), 25 UBS (39 units in 2012 year) and about 80-100 helicopters. Fighter aviation is represented by heavy Su-27 fighters in the number of 36 units, of which Su-12 and 27 Su-4UB and light MiG-27 are in 29 combat units and around 80 units, of which 20 machines are in combat units, including several MiG-XNUMHUB. The Su-29 and Su-24М Ukraine bombers have 24-60 units, and the Su-65 attack aircraft have about 25 units. However, it is estimated that only 36 Su-8M machines, 24 Su-18 direct aviation support machines and 25 Su-5MR reconnaissance aircraft will be able to conduct bombing and reconnaissance. All combat vehicles have at least two dozen years of service, and some of them are nearing the end of their lives, and in the next few years should be decommissioned. After the 24 of the year, if there are no new acquisitions, the total number of combat aircraft of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will fall to 2015, the ratio of operating vehicles will probably increase, but in general, their number will be, like now, around 150.



The basis of attack aviation are Sukhoi airplanes: the Su-24 bomber and the Su-25 attack aircraft. [/ i]

Photo: Ministry of Defense of Ukraine


Transport planes and helicopters are represented by seven heavy Il-76MD and 14 medium An-24 and An-26, two VIP passenger Tu-134AK, as well as multi-purpose helicopters Mi-8. Two An-30B photo-prospecting machines are intensively used, which fly mainly in good weather. Four An-26 are specialized: three in the training / staff version and one in the medical version. There are only two types of helicopters: combat Mi-24В, there are about 40 machines and Mi-8 in various versions - the exact number is not known.

Aircraft Armed Forces of Ukraine



The composition of the air force also has several air defense divisions. Equipped with air defense missile systems C-300PT 1 300PS and C, C-200V, 9K37M1 «Buk-M1" and portable 9K32M «Strela-2M" and 9K38 "Igla".

The structure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine


The main command of the Air Force is located in Vinnitsa. The command of the Armed Forces consists of three compounds: "Center", "South" and "West". Each of these three commands has at its disposal: tactical aircraft, air defense, part of the support. Transport aviation and other services are directly subordinate to the command of the Armed Forces.

The composition of the units of the OK "Center" presumably consists of: the 9 th tactical aviation brigade (Suz 27, L-39C), the 40 th tactical aviation brigade (MiG-29, L-39C), the 831 th tactical aviation brigade (Su- 27, L-39C), two anti-aircraft missile brigades (Buk-М1, С-200, С-300П), three anti-aircraft rocket regiments (Buk-М1, С-200), two radio engineering brigades.

The Yug operational command is: 204-I tactical aviation brigade (MiG-29, L-39C), 299-I tactical aviation brigade (Su-25, L-39C), two anti-aircraft missile brigades (Buk-М1, С- 200, C-300P), two anti-aircraft missile regiments (C-200, C-300P), two radio engineering brigades.

The command "West" has: 7 th tactical aviation brigade (Su-24, L-39C), 114 th tactical aviation brigade (MiG-29, L-39C), two anti-aircraft missile regiments (Beech-M1, C-300P ), radio engineering team.

The subdivisions of the central subordination are: Kharkiv Air Force University, which, in turn, submits to the 203-I Airborne Training Brigade (L-39C, An-26, Mi-8), a separate regiment of unmanned aerial vehicles, 15-I Brigade of transport aviation ( An-24, An-26, An-30, Tu-143, Mi-8), 25-I Air Transport Brigade (An-26, IL-76, IL-78) and 456-I Air Transport Brigade ( 26, Mi-8, Mi-9).



Near future


According to unofficial data, the subsequent reform of the Armed Forces is associated with restructuring and, probably, further reduction. Therefore, the existing command structure - the four-level, which is required for larger forces - will be replaced by a three-level one. By 2014, it should be decided that the three operational commands (S) of the Armed Forces and the command of the central subordination will be eliminated or become part of the General Staff. As in Poland, the separation of the types of troops disappears, and the aviation brigades will be subordinated to: operational command "North" in Rovno and OK "South" in Dnepropetrovsk. Each OK will have two or three tactical aviation brigades, ground services and air defense. Other units will be subordinated to the General Staff of the Armed Forces: 15 transport aviation brigade, Kharkiv Air Force University, 203 training brigade. The 25 and 456 transport aviation brigades and the 9 brigade of tactical aviation will be eliminated, and their vehicles and equipment will be transferred to other units. The air defense system is also likely to be reduced - within a few years, the C-200 complexes and some C-300Ps should be withdrawn due to the exhaustion of resources.



Training aviation is primarily represented by L-39 “Albatross” aircraft and helicopters of the Kharkov University of the Armed Forces. The Albatros aircraft were repaired and upgraded (12 machines were upgraded to 2012 year).

Photo: Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.



As for aircraft, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine does not plan to make major purchases of new aircraft in the next few years, focusing on their modernization and restoring the combat effectiveness of individual aviation units.

Let's start with the fighters. The most important machines in this class, namely the Su-27, will be upgraded by Zaporizhzhya State Aviation Repair Plant, which is part of the corporation MiGremont.

Machines must be equipped with a new GLONASS and GPS compatible navigation system. A similar upgrade package will also be available for the Su-27UB, a new weapon control system will be added to these planes, which allows the use of bombs up to 500 kg and unguided 80 and 122 mm missiles. The latter is unlikely, because these machines will be used primarily for air defense. The upgraded Su-27 will be able to use Ukrainian-made mid-range air-to-air missiles P-27EP1 and P-27ET1 with a range increased to 95 km (the first option is with radar control, the second is with a thermal homing head) and short-range missiles: upgraded P-73 and the new "Edge", which plans to produce the factory "Artem".

The other fighter, the lightweight MiG-29 (version 9.13), is being upgraded by the Lviv State Aircraft Repair Plant. It is planned to upgrade the 12 machines, but so far, probably only four MiG-29UM1 have been converted. It upgraded the radar with an increased by about 20% compared to the original radar detection distance, a navigation system similar to the modernization of the Su-27, and radio stations that meet the requirements of ICAO. The first three upgraded aircraft were received in 2010 year. Ukrainians do not intend to carry out any measures to modernize the MiG-29UB.



The most effective air defense systems are 9K37M1 Buk, and C-300P (PS).

Photo: Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.


In Zaporozhye, airplanes are also being upgraded: the Su-25 and Su-25UB attack aircraft to the Su-25М1 and Su-25УБМ1 standards. The plans should be upgraded 16 (according to other sources - to 30) of these machines by the end of 2015 year. The upgrade was approved in 2010 year, and the first three aircraft (two Su-25М1 and one Su-25УБМ1) were delivered in the same year. The scope of work includes: a new navigation system, sighting equipment, communications equipment, a recording system with a new flight data system.

In addition, training L-39C "Albatross" upgraded to version L-39M1. It has a new AI-25ТЛШ engine, a system for recording flight data and other minor changes. Modernization of the "Albatross" is carried out on the basis of the State Aircraft Repair Plant in Odessa. In the 2010-2012, nine Albatros were probably modernized, one of them crashed (pilot died. - Approx. lane.).

The fleet of transport aircraft had to be completely updated through the purchase of a new car - the turboprop An-70. It should be replaced by IL-76 / 78, but in recent years the question of acquiring two (three) new "An" stopped. However, the plant continues its development program. In 2010, Russia (once again, after leaving the program in the late nineties and in 2006) agreed to co-finance the aircraft development program, knowing that Ukrainians are not able to complete the test program and begin mass production.

Russia also needs to replace its fleet of transport aircraft - buying a series of almost finished Antonov machines over the next few years will be a better solution than developing its own project in this class, which can take many years and is subject to significant risks.

Modernization also subject to air defense and radar systems, including space surveillance systems, meter radar P-180U (P-8 MA) and 5N84AMA (P-14 MA).

Will be?


The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine does not hide the fact that the funds for the renewal of the aircraft fleet and the entire air defense system and ground services are too small, and therefore the modernization of even a few aircraft units is rather slow. In any case, the modernization of the Ukrainian-Ukrainian fighter jets Su-27 and MiG-29 roughly corresponds to the modernization framework of the Polish MiGs, which is conducted by the military aircraft plant No.2 in Bydgoszcz (they install a new navigation system and new interface). However, the F-16C has not been upgraded to the F-16MLU level, despite a number of offers from companies, including Ukrainian ones (using the following new features: navigation system, automatic landing systems, VOR / DME / TACAN, ILS system, or New rangefinder, as in the case of the Su-25).



A number of Il-76 transport planes are being exploited in the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and they also plan to purchase new aircraft of this class - An-70.

Photo: Łukasz Pacholsk.


A few words in conclusion. You can see that the maintenance of such troops in the armed forces of Ukraine and their further development look very modest. Taking into account the financial capabilities of the state, only a few airplanes and helicopters are being modernized annually, which is much less than in the plans of the Air Force implemented in neighboring Russia. It seems that without a significant increase in funding, military aviation of Ukraine will face further reductions.
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    1. Akim
      27 December 2013 10: 04
      +10
      Neither Tu-95 nor Tu-160 were in service with the Ukrainian Air Force. They were simply state property.
      1. Akim
        27 December 2013 10: 25
        +1
        The Air Force is then armed with the SS (Povitryani sili) of Ukraine, now there are two long-range bombers in the reconnaissance version (Tu-95RC and Tu-95MS). They stand in Nikolaev. The first is working, but it does not fly. Marine version (based on the Tu-142) - semi-disassembled.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 27 December 2013 10: 42
          +16
          They stand in Nikolaev.

          So I spoke for them.
          Regarding were-non-profit, this is a formality. In fact, got it? Got it! Where to go? Right, a mustache in scrap metal. They acted bloodthirstily with them ... I understand that many of us are also poher. But soooo ... recourse
          1. Akim
            27 December 2013 10: 55
            0
            Quote: klimpopov
            . I understand that many of us are poher. But soooo ...

            The same eggs - only in profile. EBN is most likely to blame no less. I wouldn’t want to - they didn’t cut it.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 27 December 2013 11: 22
              +9
              Duc EBN and to blame. Who denies ...
        2. igor67
          igor67 27 December 2013 12: 53
          +3
          Quote: Akim
          The Air Force is then armed with the SS (Povitryani sili) of Ukraine, now there are two long-range bombers in the reconnaissance version (Tu-95RC and Tu-95MS). They stand in Nikolaev. The first is working, but it does not fly. Marine version (based on the Tu-142) - semi-disassembled.

          There were new TU 95 in prison, only driven from Then Kuibyshev, at 93 was there on a business trip, we needed data on engines from 95x and on propellers, although they did not fly, but we took them to the regulations, then we were in Nikolaev, there were two 95 x for cancellation, though there was still a 95 x repair plant nearby or is it?
          1. Akim
            27 December 2013 13: 10
            +2
            Quote: igor67
            , is it true that there was or was there a 95 x repair factory nearby?

            In Nikolaev the plant is now completing the repair of one Il-76 and the modernization of one Su-24M
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 27 December 2013 10: 53
        +12
        Quote: Akim
        They were simply state property.

        Akimbe honest to the end:
        Property inherited on occasion, a great and tragic historical misunderstanding ...
        1. Akim
          27 December 2013 10: 56
          +4
          Quote: Corsair
          Property inherited on occasion, a great and tragic historical misunderstanding ..

          This is another question. We are talking about the Air Force (PS) of Ukraine.
        2. Kars
          Kars 27 December 2013 10: 59
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          be honest to the end:
          Property inherited on occasion

          And what? Does this change something? The fact that the Russian Federation refused to redeem them, therefore, is responsible for their utilization. How else did they go to offset the gas. It is simply amazing.
          Quote: klimpopov
          Got it! Where to go?

          Ukraine did not have the right to exploit them. These are offensive strategic weapons.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 27 December 2013 11: 25
            +15
            Oh, it’s the masskali again who are to blame for YOU cutting them)))))) They didn’t want to buy such-and-such.
            I myself won’t give a damn
            therefore, it is responsible for their disposal.


            That is, do not buy - cut it? And his own))))
            1. Akim
              27 December 2013 11: 31
              -4
              Quote: klimpopov
              That is, do not buy - cut it? And his own))))

              No need to measure in categories: there is mine and general
              The USSR has been gone for almost ten years.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 27 December 2013 11: 35
                +5
                By the way, did you get the 31 Migari then? Chet did not find the information ... It seems they should have.
                No need to measure categories: there is mine and the general

                That Meri - not Meri ....
                Sorry for the birds. And it is a pity that those who are guilty of this will never be held responsible.
                1. Akim
                  27 December 2013 11: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Sorry for the birds.

                  You won’t move my pity. But the 31st was not. Only the 25th.
                2. sergey72
                  sergey72 27 December 2013 11: 41
                  +5
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  By the way, the 31st Migari went to you

                  The MiG-31 was not included in the lists of aircraft "missing" on the territory of Ukraine ... From the countries of the former USSR, the MiG-31 is in service with the Air Force of Kazakhstan ...
            2. Kars
              Kars 27 December 2013 11: 40
              +1
              Quote: klimpopov
              That is, do not buy - cut it? And his own))))

              Do you offer to support them? Spend money? At the same time without the right to use them?
              You’re going out of the house and don’t throw out the trash;
              Quote: klimpopov
              , it’s again Masskali’s fault that YOU cut them)))))

              naturally you are guilty. but that there was nothing shameful to cut. there was no one to sell them except the Russian Federation. Although the United States would probably buy a couple there would be such an opportunity. Although for museums. Yes, and China would not refuse. So rejoice that you just cut it.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 27 December 2013 11: 45
                +4
                Why couldn't it be easy to convey to Rossi in a good way? Although the key phrase is "the pentagon gave money."
                "the pentagon gave money" - "rezh, smash, smash, lads!
                So rejoice that you just cut it.

                AAAAAAA !!!))))))))))))))
                Scream. How was it not possible for the states and China to push it? They just brought cabbage in a suitcase, saw greens and a mustache "- to cut is to cut!". "Better a tit in the hand ..."))))))))) And so we would have bargained, we can have a couple of kilos of Baku from above))))


                Incidentally, the fact that in all the troubles of Ukraine Ukraine is guilty of Russia is not news ...
                1. Kars
                  Kars 27 December 2013 11: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  But why was it simply impossible to convey Rossi for good?

                  Really? Take it and give it like that?)))))))
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Hilarity. How was it not possible for the states and China to push it? They just brought cabbage in a suitcase, saw greens and a mustache "- to cut is to cut!".

                  Are you really so strange? Have you even understood what you wrote yourself? They brought cabbage - and you think that it can be used only for CUTTING, and why not for sending the whole product? Is it not kosher?
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  By the way, RUSSIA IS NOT GUILT IN ALL TROUBLES OF UKRAINE

                  Well, you flatter yourself, not everyone. But in the case of the Tu-160, Russia itself was to blame for its own trouble, Ukraine, in principle, did not need such aircraft.
                  1. klimpopov
                    klimpopov 27 December 2013 11: 58
                    +7
                    Yes, Ukraine has not needed anything for the last twenty years))))
                    Really? Take it and give it like that?)))))))

                    This is not in your style))))))))
                    At the same time, Russia pays regularly for the debts of the USSR)))))))) .... Or they have already paid ... But of course, it was not Ukraine that was collecting debts. This is Moscow damned)))))
                    Are you really so strange? Have you even understood what you wrote yourself? They brought cabbage - and you think that it can be used only for CUTTING, and why not for sending the whole product? Is it not kosher?

                    OOOO was bustling)))))
                    Well, not only for cutting, even in pots you can then melt everything)))))
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 27 December 2013 12: 25
                      +1
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      Yes, Ukraine has not needed anything for the last twenty years))))

                      Is it strange then that the Russian Federation for Thread was paying for spare parts for the Su-27 why?
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      This is not in your style))))))))

                      Like in yours? Can you personally give me something useful?
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      At the same time, Russia pays regularly for the debts of the USSR))))))))

                      At the same time, he received a gold and gold reserve, foreign property of the USSR, debts to the USSR of third countries. Yes, and the division of property of the USSR was carried out by an explicit method.
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      Well, not only for cutting, even in pots you can then melt everything)))))

                      ))not without it.
                      Quote: klimpopov
                      OOOO was bustling)))))

                      Namsheshili. It’s a matter of shame that the officials of the Russian grabbers popped out. But according to your writings you can see that you are a short-sighted person and you understand very little. .
                      But you never wrote why the United States could not buy a pair of T-160s, and when the Russian Federation realized it, it bought 8 units. So what is the reason?
                      1. Setrac
                        Setrac 27 December 2013 12: 39
                        +9
                        Quote: Kars
                        At the same time, having received a gold-absolute reserve, foreign property of the USSR

                        Waiver of external debt = waiver of these assets.
                        Quote: Kars
                        debts to the USSR of third countries

                        Which were written off at the insistent request of the IMF.
                        Quote: Kars
                        And the division of property of the USSR was carried out by the explicit method.

                        Share your method?
                        Quote: Kars
                        Like in yours? Can you personally give me something useful?

                        Discount on gas and $ 15 billion.
                      2. Corsair
                        Corsair 27 December 2013 13: 08
                        +4
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Which were written off at the insistent request of the IMF.

                        + the goodwill of the Russian Federation. The so-called "bad" debts have been "written off", that is, irrecoverable under no circumstances. The countries on the list of "forgiven" are entirely "third world".

                        But let's say, to Liberty Island, Russia wrote off debts based on friendly feelings, going to meet the wishes of the leadership of this Caribbean country, and taking into account the SPECIAL order of relations between the countries ...
                      3. Setrac
                        Setrac 27 December 2013 14: 21
                        +1
                        Quote: Corsair
                        . "Written off" the so-called "bad" debts, that is, irrecoverable under no circumstances.

                        Bad debts are the death of the debtor. these debts could be taken by the property of the debtor.
                    2. Kars
                      Kars 27 December 2013 13: 15
                      +1
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Waiver of external debt = waiver of these assets.

                      Quote: klimpopov
                      At the same time, Russia pays regularly for the debts of the USSR)))))))

                      Any questions for me? Tell this to Klimpopova.
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Which were written off at the insistent request of the IMF.

                      And this is my problem? By the way, you recently canceled Iraq in exchange for a contract for the supply of weapons, did it seem like they wrote off to Cuba? And so on.
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Share your method?

                      And what's the point? Everyone has already divided.
                      Quote: Setrac
                      Discount on gas and $ 15 billion.

                      Well, it’s literally not long ago. And of course I’m wildly apologizing)) but 15 milr would be frets at least without interest, and count as a gift? At least it's in your style.
                      The discount on gas --- well, before that there was an ADDITION. Yes, and it has already become difficult for you to sell gas, and now Ukraine MAY increase its consumption.
                    3. Setrac
                      Setrac 27 December 2013 14: 23
                      -1
                      Quote: Kars
                      And what's the point? Everyone has already divided.

                      Of academic interest.
                  2. greka
                    greka 27 December 2013 15: 47
                    +2
                    I can’t understand why everyone in Russia thinks that they gave us 15 billion, why everyone stubbornly does not notice interest ????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    Nobody just gives anything to anyone, and neither Russia ever gives Ukraine Ukraine nor Ukraine Russia. Do not live on TV and stamps !!!!
                  3. Setrac
                    Setrac 27 December 2013 20: 47
                    +1
                    Quote: greka
                    I can’t understand why everyone in Russia thinks that they gave us 15 billion, why everyone stubbornly does not notice interest ????????? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    Nobody just gives anything to anyone, and neither Russia ever gives Ukraine Ukraine nor Ukraine Russia. Do not live on TV and stamps !!!!

                    Something tells me that this loan Ukraine will not repay.
                  4. Alejandro
                    Alejandro 27 December 2013 23: 13
                    +2
                    Because no other creditor would give Ukraine so much money at 5 percent per annum and without preconditions. Read about the yield on government bonds of Ukraine before the announcement of the pedagogical provision of a loan by Russia and you will see everything yourself.
                  5. greka
                    greka 28 December 2013 21: 52
                    -1
                    In general, the IMF was given to us at 4% per annum, but there were conditions, they did not agree. Once again, do not live on TV !!! Believe me, the loan was given on mutually beneficial terms (and in no other way, you have no fools, especially Putin didn’t give a profit without profit), but as you know, the one who gives it also earns on it, so that you won’t be stiff even more. get it from the end, and do not expose yourself as benefactors.
      3. Akim
        27 December 2013 12: 03
        0
        Quote: klimpopov
        Why couldn’t it be easy to convey to Rossi for good?

        At that time, the Kremlin did not notice something in altruism.
      4. iConst
        iConst 27 December 2013 20: 36
        +2
        Quote: klimpopov
        Incidentally, the fact that in all the troubles of Ukraine Ukraine is guilty of Russia is not news ...

        Yopt. Che Ukraine there - all the troubles of the world from us! laughing

        On Mars, water also disappeared because of Russia ...
      5. O_RUS
        O_RUS 28 December 2013 21: 29
        +2
        Quote: klimpopov
        Incidentally, the fact that in all the troubles of Ukraine Ukraine is guilty of Russia is not news ...


        laughing soon they will add to this - Russia euromaidan has collapsed, depriving Ukrainians of a bright future.
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. 27 December 2013 12: 58
      +6
      Quote: Kars
      Do you offer to support them? Spend money?

      Why not preserve and store them? What are the costs of conservation and storage? Lubricant preservatives and salary of two warrant officers-storekeepers? Then, with the passage of time, Russia would definitely buy them, pay off gas. In the USA, B-29s were stored until recently.
      1. Kars
        Kars 27 December 2013 13: 19
        +1
        Quote: bistrov.
        Why not preserve and store them? What are the costs of conservation and storage?

        but how much do you think it would cost to conserve such a huge aircraft? and not in our climate to put something for long-term storage. Yet they also provide protection.
        Quote: bistrov.
        then, over time, Russia would certainly buy them, pay off gas.

        right? but why? can they say that they are not suitable for storage?
        By the way, the Varangian waited 5 years on the slipway. And what prevented the Russian Federation from concluding a contract for this event? Make an advance payment in the amount of even 10%, then would they have the right to preserve control, etc. with the participation of Russian specialists?
    3. velikoros-xnumx
      velikoros-xnumx 27 December 2013 14: 33
      +5
      Quote: Kars
      You’re going out of the house and don’t throw out the trash;

      You are in your mind making such an analogy. A state-of-the-art aircraft with unique characteristics, having a titanium "skeleton" on which the entire Union worked and no one has yet created an equal for which, including the Russian Federation, do you associate with garbage?
      There are many options - to sell, exchange, adopt (although for Ukraine it is from the category of humor). The very thought of the possibility of selling or transferring these airplanes of the Russian Federation on a barter transaction did not let our friends from the USA sleep or do you think their help in recycling these machines, their desire to see Ukraine as Euro-associated are dictated by worries about the tortured Ukrainian people?
      1. Kars
        Kars 27 December 2013 14: 47
        +1
        Quote: velikoros-xnumx
        including the Russian Federation do you associate with garbage?

        For me personally, it is associated with non-ferrous metal scraps.

        Quote: velikoros-xnumx
        There are many options - to sell, exchange, adopt (although for Ukraine it is from the category of humor).

        I'll start with the latter --- well, your humor is understandable with your nickname - and according to international treaties, Ukraine simply had no right to have such types of offensive weapons in service.
        Change - so why did the Russian Federation take so long to change? This is your decision.
        To sell? To whom? Except for the Russian Federation which has refused to give up on him (probably as if she hoped that she would give them a clip))) there is nobody else.

        Quote: velikoros-xnumx
        The very idea of ​​the possibility of selling or transferring these aircraft of the Russian Federation on a barter transaction did not let our friends from the United States sleep

        But how did they overslept 8 units of Tu-160 that receivedp RF?
        Quote: velikoros-xnumx
        You think their help in recycling these machines
        But I don’t care what motives do they have, do you better explain the motives of the Russian Federation that were pulled with their ransom?

        Quote: igor67
        he forbade all operations with Ukraine by secret decree, we were immediately denied group sets

        Ask, I didn’t come across aviation, and I was small then.
        1. velikoros-xnumx
          velikoros-xnumx 27 December 2013 18: 42
          +7
          Quote: Kars
          well, your humor is clear with your nickname

          Not tired of poking my nickname off the count how many times.
          1. Kars
            Kars 27 December 2013 18: 48
            +1
            Quote: velikoros-xnumx
            Not tired of poking my nickname off the count how many times.

            And you’re not tired of reacting to this again? Although this shows your clarity, you haven’t changed your nickname, so there’s room to poke.
            1. velikoros-xnumx
              velikoros-xnumx 27 December 2013 22: 20
              +3
              Quote: Kars
              You haven’t changed your nickname, so there’s room to poke.

              And I'm not going to, my nickname is quite fine with me. This phrase reminded me of the situation with the Litvinenko case in the UK. When the Russian Federation refused to extradite Lugovoi to the UK, citing article 61 of the current constitution, she seriously stated that Russia needed to revise its constitution.
            2. Kars
              Kars 28 December 2013 10: 27
              +1
              Quote: velikoros-xnumx
              And I'm not going to, my nickname quite suits me

              And he didn’t doubt. You won’t have doubts, it’s a pity it is not supported by anything.
        2. smile
          smile 27 December 2013 20: 10
          +5
          velikoros-xnumx
          When the opponent has nothing to answer in the case, some are taken to ruffle the nickname ... :)))
  • igor67
    igor67 27 December 2013 13: 03
    +4
    Quote: klimpopov
    Oh, it’s the masskali again who are to blame for YOU cutting them)))))) They didn’t want to buy such-and-such.
    I myself won’t give a damn
    therefore, it is responsible for their disposal.


    That is, do not buy - cut it? And his own))))

    Again, I repeat about the business trip to Uzen where the strategists stood, the flyers showed me the lake of ensigns laughing , around the lake sat in technics of ensign and fished, around the circumference the lake was blue from the technicians, the officers played football, that's the whole service, only IL 76 e flew, commercial flights, it turns out thousands. Military personnel and dozens of expensive machines to operate (which did not fly), but as you know, Klim still didn’t cancel the rules, there were no funds and what to do with such an inheritance? Believe me under EBN, but I believe that to a greater extent he is guilty of destroying the 160s, he forbade all operations with Ukraine by secret decree, we were immediately denied group sets, and this, after signing the contract with Kui, is still interesting by whose decision (this ) at least 95s saved and exchanged for debts, 100
    % not a drunk decided
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 27 December 2013 13: 25
      +3
      Yes, it is clear that the EBNovsky clan is guilty of all this. It's me, it's just sad to look at all this. And now no return.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 27 December 2013 20: 06
    +5
    What are you saying! Moldova once seized an entire MiG-29 regiment, part of it was eventually sold to the Yankees. The question is, what kind of rights did Moldova have on this regiment? Did she contribute so much in favor of the Union?
    The carcasses belonged to the Union, for the debts of which the Russian Federation later paid off, if such a fraternal people, as in the time of the next hysteria over the prices for khaz, which was already supplied almost for nothing, then they would transfer the equipment to those who need it. But it can be seen that the "brotherhood" of the nezalezhnoy works only in one direction, so that they give it something for free, but to transfer something accidentally left on its territory, so take a bite, even if this property is not needed by the nezalezhnaya nafig.
    1. Akim
      27 December 2013 20: 15
      -1
      Quote: EvilLion
      The carcasses belonged to the Union, for which Russia later also paid its debts, if such fraternal people, as during the days of another tantrum over prices for haz, which were already supplied almost for nothing, would transfer the equipment to those who need it.

      Yes, you at least wipe your teeth from anger - believe not to care. Kitchen gatherings were transferred to the network and discuss who owes what to whom. The top agreed a long time ago and didn’t consider you necessary to inform me either.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 28 December 2013 00: 24
        +2
        It’s your anger, and the maneuver that everything is bad in Russia.
        1. Akim
          28 December 2013 02: 40
          -1
          Quote: EvilLion
          It’s your anger, and the maneuver that everything is bad in Russia.

          I’m angry because you think that we all think that everything is bad in Russia. or wish her nasty things. You have your own sandbox - we have our own. Let dumb, even poorly done, but ours! and we don’t need to write in the sand. We are already dirty.
    2. Kars
      Kars 27 December 2013 20: 28
      +1
      Quote: EvilLion
      The question is, what kind of rights did Moldova have on this regiment?

      and that Moldova did not contribute money to the Union budget? Did its men not serve in the Soviet army?
      Quote: EvilLion
      Carcasses belonged to the Union

      Everything belonged to the USSR
      Quote: EvilLion
      for whose debts then the Russian Federation also paid

      this issue has already been discussed.
      Quote: EvilLion
      since they delivered it almost for nothing, then they would pass on the equipment to those who need it.
      Of course, almost for nothing, you then sold oil at $ 19 abroad. You would have to reshoot the price of gas according to the current formula.
      And by sight you needed it so much, your hands were shaking. Even now all Tu-160s are not flying, but what would happen if the financing had to be divided into more cars.

      Quote: EvilLion
      to transfer something accidentally remaining on its territory,
      And how do you determine what remains on the territory RANDOMLY?
      Quote: EvilLion
      so take a bite, even if the property itself is not the most relevant nafig not needed.

      Correctly bite. I somehow pinned on the account of the Premier League. They all accidentally got the RF and she drank half, even with financing from the evil Yankees. There is no way to transfer a couple to Ukraine))))
  • svp67
    svp67 27 December 2013 10: 56
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Neither Tu-95 nor Tu-160 were in service with the Ukrainian Air Force. They were simply state property.

    Ok, and MiG25?
    1. Akim
      27 December 2013 11: 03
      -1
      Quote: svp67
      Good, and MiG25

      It stood. Withdrew from the Air Force. Most are in storage. One redone in the MiG-25RB version.
      1. svp67
        svp67 27 December 2013 11: 32
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        It stood. Withdrew from the Air Force. Most are in storage. One redone in the MiG-25RB version.

        Well, if in Ukraine - the complete destruction of aircraft, this is to be deposited ... then much more ...
        1. Akim
          27 December 2013 11: 39
          -2
          Quote: svp67
          Well, if in Ukraine - the complete destruction of aircraft, it is put in storage ..

          What they cut or bury in the sand?
          1. svp67
            svp67 27 December 2013 12: 37
            +5
            Quote: Akim
            What they cut or bury in the sand?

            With the help of detonating cords we cut - Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhya, Vasilkovsky regiments. Father told me that for about a year on the former site, 3 air squadrons, his regiment, had MiGs of these air regiments carved. Titanium is a very expensive metal ..
            1. Akim
              27 December 2013 12: 46
              -1
              Quote: svp67
              MiGs of these aviation regiments were being carved.

              All? I know 60 pieces are definitely left. But in general, the MiG-25 is a dumb machine and specific. One engine is worth it.
            2. Kars
              Kars 27 December 2013 13: 22
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              Zaporizhzhya

              half a year ago they were still standing. next to the airport. you could see about the satellite.
              1. svp67
                svp67 27 December 2013 16: 05
                +2
                Quote: Kars
                half a year ago they were still standing. next to the airport. you could see about the satellite.

                And where?
                https://maps.google.com.ua/maps?hl=ru&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=47.866271,35.310917&spn=0.0
                40306,0.059996 & z = 14 & source = embed
                1. Kars
                  Kars 27 December 2013 16: 09
                  +1
                  Watch carefully - 6 separately, and one flying separately. There used to be more.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 27 December 2013 17: 28
                    +2
                    Quote: Kars
                    Watch carefully - 6 separately, and one flying separately. There used to be more.

                    Ukraine - received about 100 MiG-25 (~ 80 MiG-25PDS, 16 MiG-25RBT and a certain amount of MiG-25PU / RU) after the collapse of the USSR [31]. It was in service with the 933th Air Defense Infantry Regiment (Dnepropetrovsk), the 146th Air Defense Infantry Infantry Inspection (Vasilkov) and the 48th OGRAP (Kolomyia) [32] [33] [34]. Discontinued in 1996. After decommissioning, the aircraft were transferred to the Zaporizhzhya ARZ (MiGremont), where the factory pilots continued to operate 1 MiG-25PU (b / n 001, s / n 36981) and 1 MiG-25RBT (b / n 73 ) until 2003 and 2004, respectively
                  2. Kars
                    Kars 27 December 2013 17: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: svp67
                    Ukraine - received about 100 MiG-25

                    And? Maybe she also received spare parts for them? Or had an extreme need for 100 MIG-25? Yes, and more than 20 years have passed, and Migi in 91 were not new either.

                    a year ago I totaled 23

                    and there were never 100 of them in Zaporozhye. I specifically asked, I studied at a school with a boy whose father had a test pilot on Mig repair. And now he works there (though he doesn’t fly)
                2. svp67
                  svp67 27 December 2013 17: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  . It used to be more.
                  Yes fact, it’s better seen on Yandex maps ....
  • predator.3
    predator.3 27 December 2013 11: 12
    +9
    Quote: Akim
    Neither Tu-95 nor Tu-160 were in service with the Ukrainian Air Force. They were simply state property.

    Well, yes, from Washington they gave the command and let it go under the knife! With ... corrupt!
    1. Akim
      27 December 2013 11: 17
      -2
      Quote: predator.3
      Well, yes, they gave a command from Washington and

      From Washington they gave money for their cutting, Russia, then it did not give anything. They apparently just had to rot
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 27 December 2013 11: 28
        +6
        "Eternal bargaining"
        "Who is bigger"
        "Sold!"
        1. Akim
          27 December 2013 11: 33
          0
          Quote: klimpopov
          "Eternal bargaining"
          "Who is bigger"

          Your suggestions. What did you have to do?
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 27 December 2013 11: 40
            +2
            Like what? China to offer! Maybe they would give more. On a quiet one would be loaded and transported to Varyag. Again at the price of scrap metal.
            1. Akim
              27 December 2013 11: 48
              +4
              Quote: klimpopov
              Like what? China to offer! Maybe they would give more

              Then there would be even more criticism. and what China was like in the early 90s and now.
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 27 December 2013 11: 52
                +2
                Sarcasm was not noticed ...
                1. Akim
                  27 December 2013 12: 05
                  -1
                  Quote: klimpopov
                  Sarcasm was not noticed ...

                  Noticed, but the fact remains
              2. velikoros-xnumx
                velikoros-xnumx 27 December 2013 14: 41
                +2
                Quote: Akim
                Then there would be even more criticism. and what China was like in the early 90s and now.

                Hello Akim. Well, admit - cutting such machines that have not worked out and 10% of its resource is barbarism, an act of vandalism. I would consider acceptable any option other than cutting. As the hand did not flinch at those who cut it, it’s like Gioconda with scissors and waste paper.
                1. Akim
                  27 December 2013 14: 47
                  -1
                  Quote: velikoros-xnumx
                  I would consider acceptable any option other than cutting.

                  Hands trembled and cried men. Here you tell me, what is another option?
      2. predator.3
        predator.3 27 December 2013 16: 25
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        From Washington they gave money for their cutting, Russia, then it did not give anything. They apparently just had to rot


        The states and Russia gave money for the "disposal" of missile submarines!
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 27 December 2013 11: 36
    +1
    The most effective air defense systems are 9K37M1 Buk, and C-300P (PS).


    Akim, greetings, I am not a specialist, but in the photo, most likely not the Buk air defense system, but the KUB air defense missile system, in other things, the claim is not to you but to the author of the article, but I will note one thing, the details make up an idea, and apparently he is not an expert, therefore there is no need.
    1. Akim
      27 December 2013 11: 57
      0
      Quote: seller trucks
      but in the photo, most likely not the Buk air defense system, but the KUB air defense system

      This is Buk - look carefully at his missiles. As for the author’s competence, I’d get him 20 minuses.
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 27 December 2013 09: 52
    +2
    Thanks to the author for telling about the so-called forces and means of the Ukrainian Air Force, and then what? The equipment is becoming obsolete and needs to be replaced, there is no money, and the further development of fraternal Ukraine is not yet clear (even taking into account the Kremlin’s lubrication in the form of a loan and a reduction in gas prices) and it depends on who will (if it will) purchase aviation equipment, possibly for years in 7 in Ukraine there will be Mirages and F-15 God forbid.
    1. Akim
      27 December 2013 10: 30
      0
      Quote: evgenii67
      who will (if it will) buy aviation equipment, maybe in a few years Mirages and F-7 will be in Ukraine through 15, God forbid.

      Two years ago, negotiations were conducted with the Swedes. They offered to rent or lease their JAS 39 Gripen and make two AWACS based on Anov.
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 27 December 2013 10: 35
        +2
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: evgenii67
        who will (if it will) buy aviation equipment, maybe in a few years Mirages and F-7 will be in Ukraine through 15, God forbid.

        Two years ago, negotiations were conducted with the Swedes. They offered to rent or lease their JAS 39 Gripen and make two AWACS based on Anov.


        Does this make you happy?
        1. Akim
          27 December 2013 10: 39
          +3
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Does this make you happy?

          I just give information. It is unlikely that such an option will be. We can repair Soviet equipment ourselves. As they say: I will repair the Lada in the garage, and Volvo will have to be taken to the service station.
        2. evgenii67
          evgenii67 27 December 2013 12: 41
          +1
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Does this make you happy?

          What exactly, what
          Quote: evgenii67
          maybe in 7 years in Ukraine there will be Mirages and F-15 God forbid.

          I wrote: "God forbid," I want us to have one sky, peaceful and God forbid my brother to go to his brother, separately we will be "globalized" so to speak
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 27 December 2013 11: 08
        +6
        Quote: Akim
        Two years ago, negotiations were held with the Swedes. They offered either for rent or leasing their JAS 39 Gripen

        No matter how something comes out like a "Baltic tank" leased to each other by the ex-Soviet Baltic republics ...

        To maintain the Air Force at an acceptable level, money is needed, at least for rent, at least for the purchase of used samples or new equipment.
        Now this money really is not.
        In this case, there is no need to count on 15 liards of credit, you need to "exhaust" the debt and the economic abyss.
        If money is stolen as usual, or used up inappropriately, people will not forgive Yanukovych. He is already in an extremely precarious situation ...


        So the question of sufficient funding for the Air Force in particular and the Armed Forces in general is open.
        1. Akim
          27 December 2013 11: 14
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          No matter how something comes out like a "Baltic tank" leased to each other by the ex-Soviet Baltic republics ...

          Czechs and Hungarians use Gripen on lease, Slovaks want. Ukraine, of course, this option is not possible, but the method itself is.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 27 December 2013 11: 20
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            Ukraine, of course, this option is not possible

            Add: By POLITICAL и FINANCIAL reasons.
            1. Akim
              27 December 2013 11: 26
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              For POLITICAL and FINANCIAL reasons.

              For political and technical reasons, but not financial.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 27 December 2013 11: 58
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                and technical reasons, but not financial.

                Quote: Akim
                As they say: I will repair the Lada in the garage, and Volvo will have to be taken to the service station.


                You contradict yourself.

                Do you think you don't have to pay for "STO"? WHERE take money for the maintenance and repair of "foreign cars (expensive by the way yes ) "?
                To get into the pocket of a poor man in the street, as suggested in the case of the Euroassociation ???

                "Legs",Akim, you need to "stretch out in clothes" ... С'est la vie,but.
                1. Akim
                  27 December 2013 12: 07
                  0
                  Quote: Corsair
                  You contradict yourself.

                  Do not. You did not quote the sentence to the end "and technical".
                  It is one thing to service 14 Czech Air Force planes - another - a hundred.
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 27 December 2013 12: 29
                    +2
                    Quote: Akim
                    Do not.

                    We need Fedya,NECESSARY! ©
                    The "technical" aspect was "omitted" by me on purpose, because it is not now the "stumbling block", but the FINANCIAL side of such "equipment".

                    Think about how to get the country out of economic and political crises, and only then ...
                    1. Akim
                      27 December 2013 12: 33
                      0
                      Quote: Corsair
                      he is not now a "stumbling block"

                      It is he who is. Ukraine, a couple of years ago, did not produce components for the Su-27 and repairs are expensive.
                      1. Corsair
                        Corsair 27 December 2013 12: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        It is he who is. Ukraine, a couple of years ago, did not produce components for the Su-27 and repairs are expensive.

                        I tell you about Thomas, you tell me about Yeryoma ...
                        It's about the Swedish "Gripper" ...
                      2. Akim
                        27 December 2013 13: 14
                        -1
                        Quote: Corsair
                        It's about the Swedish "Gripper" ...

                        And he does not need parts? This is the technical component. Aircraft as property will be alien, only leased. Those. everything should come from Sweden, including technology.
                      3. Corsair
                        Corsair 27 December 2013 14: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: Akim
                        And he does not need parts? This is the technical component.

                        Signs for a penny! WHERE is the money, Zin? ©
                        In order to:
                        everything should come from Sweden, including technology.
                        Technically, everything is simple: Paid - arrived - done.

                        Quote: M / F "Flying Ship"
                        Polkasha, will you make a Flying Ship? ... Buy !!!

                        This is to say that there would be money, Ukraine would not have ANY questions with financing ANY projects, but for now, dream ...
                      4. Akim
                        27 December 2013 14: 51
                        -1
                        Quote: Corsair
                        This is to ensure that there was money, Ukraine didn’t have any questions.

                        Hungary is much poorer and the Magyars overpay for their maintenance. And to us on a fig?
    2. iConst
      iConst 27 December 2013 20: 41
      +2
      Quote: Akim
      Czechs and Hungarians use Gripen on lease, Slovaks want. Ukraine, of course, this option is not possible, but the method itself is.

      I will take the tank on lease - delivery to Syria ... laughing
  • sergey72
    sergey72 27 December 2013 11: 17
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    Two years ago, negotiations were held with the Swedes.

    This song has been heard since the mid-90s .... Then "Aviation and Vremya" boasted: we will have "Gripenes", then we will. All the time I wanted to ask: will you pay for the Gripenes with lard or, as with Russia - "kidkom"?
    1. Akim
      27 December 2013 11: 22
      -2
      Quote: sergey72
      Will you pay for Gripenes with lard or, as with Russia - "kidkom"?

      For overpaid gas, you can take a few dozen aircraft per month.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 27 December 2013 11: 36
        +4
        Haha overpaid))))
        Vangyu srach

        So now we will pay for the "unpaid" gas for Ukraine ... And you are going to buy planes in Europe for this money. Cool. They also remained guilty wassat
        1. sergey72
          sergey72 27 December 2013 11: 43
          +5
          Yes, I answered Akim, but my post "left" somewhere ..
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 27 December 2013 11: 48
            +3
            Moders are naughty))))
        2. Akim
          27 December 2013 11: 59
          +2
          Quote: klimpopov
          And you are going to buy planes in Europe for the money.

          No one will buy there. And given the shameful draft defense budget for next year - and repair the existing one, too.
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 27 December 2013 12: 05
            +2
            Not well, we are hypothetically.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 27 December 2013 12: 07
        +2
        Quote: Akim
        For overpaid gas, you can take a few dozen aircraft per month.

        But will you popper other holes in economics and finance? Oh and nature ...

        Yes, apparently the IMF’s intention was to introduce the EXTERNAL FINANCE MANAGEMENT in Ukraine.

        You yourself are apparently IMPOSSIBLE to housekeeping in your house ...
        1. Akim
          27 December 2013 12: 27
          +3
          Quote: Corsair
          And other holes in the economy and finance will HOPP to close?

          Here you are, as an economist with a mining profession, the government did not have enough. Why did you leave? They would raise the economy.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 27 December 2013 12: 33
            -1
            Quote: Akim
            Here you are, as an economist with a mining profession, the government did not have enough.

            CONSCIENCE и UMA lacked ALL of your governments from Kravchuk to Yanukovych (excuse me for associating KM with top officials).
            Quote: Akim
            Why did you leave?
            They would raise the economy.

            It was not I who "lowered" it and it was not for me to restore it.
            1. Akim
              27 December 2013 12: 48
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              It was not I who "lowered" it and it was not for me to restore it.

              Excuse like Antoshka: We didn’t go through it, we weren’t asked.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 27 December 2013 13: 15
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                Excuse like Antoshka: We didn’t go through it, we weren’t asked.

                Not "Smeared"I am in the collapse of Ukraine, so save the accusations of" excuse "for someone else ...
  • makarov
    makarov 27 December 2013 10: 54
    +1
    evgenii67
    "Thanks to the author for talking about the so-called forces and means of the Ukrainian Air Force, and what next?"

    SW evgenii67.
    How can you decide who to say "thank you" to the author-Pole, or an unknown translator? fool
    1. 222222
      222222 27 December 2013 11: 19
      0
      makarov UA Today, 10:54 ↑
      military forum on zbroynm..http: //mil.in.ua/forum/viewtopic.php? f = 15 & t = 45
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 27 December 2013 12: 19
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      How can you decide who to say "thank you" to the author-Pole, or an unknown translator?

      Why "unknown"?
      As I understand it, the author of the translation is a respected Akim.
      At least yesterday he turned to the members of the forum for help in preparing for publication on the HE.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 27 December 2013 09: 55
    +6
    Ukrainian Air Force in 2013 year


    None.
  • slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 27 December 2013 10: 08
    0
    all this is pitiable ... What will Ukraine decide next !?
  • ed65b
    ed65b 27 December 2013 10: 15
    +3
    The Psheks fussed. And how do they themselves ???? There is life in the old dog yet? Not damp? Well, what about the review without Russia. Belmo, however. laughing
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 27 December 2013 10: 40
    +1
    Interestingly, they all cut? Or were you able to sell something?
    1. Akim
      27 December 2013 10: 51
      -1
      Quote: samoletil18
      did they cut everything? Or were you able to sell something?

      The buyers were on the MiG-21,23,27, Su-17 and L-39, for all types of transporters and on the Mi-8,24 helicopters.
      1. The comment was deleted.
        1. Akim
          27 December 2013 11: 05
          +3
          Quote: samoletil18
          Buyers of such equipment, as a rule, are not the best friends of the enemies of Russia.

          Africa, Asia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Croatia, etc.
  • Chever
    Chever 27 December 2013 10: 57
    -1
    Sorry for Ukraine, of course ...
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 27 December 2013 10: 58
    -1
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: samoletil18
    did they cut everything? Or were you able to sell something?

    The buyers were on the MiG-21,23,27, Su-17 and L-39, for all types of transporters and on the Mi-8,24 helicopters.

    Well, good. Buyers of such equipment, as a rule, are not the best friends of the enemies of Russia.
  • Taoist
    Taoist 27 December 2013 11: 09
    +4
    It can be stated that the Air Force as an independent type of troops capable of performing combat missions of at least the tactical level in Ukraine does not exist now.

    It's sad. Taking into account the fact that it was Ukraine that inherited from the USSR the "main piece" of all the republics, and most importantly, there was a (now de facto destroyed) full-fledged infrastructure for the basing, maintenance and modernization of all types of aircraft.
    Breaking does not build ...
  • samoletil18
    samoletil18 27 December 2013 11: 13
    -1
    Ukraine inherited from the Soviet Union up to 3600 aircraft and helicopters

    There is a positive point in this. If all this went to Russia, it would be modernized without new developments. And so even "effective menagers" are forced to divert money from defense spending.
    1. Kars
      Kars 27 December 2013 11: 23
      +1
      Quote: samoletil18
      There is a positive point in this. If it all went to Russia



      As a result of the separation, Russia received approximately 40% of equipment and 65% of the personnel of the Soviet Air Force, becoming the only state in the post-Soviet space that possesses long-range strategic aviation [64]. Many aircraft were transferred from the former Soviet republics to Russia. Some were destroyed.
      At the time of the collapse of the USSR, its air forces and air defense forces were the most numerous in the world, surpassing the number of aircraft fleets in the USA and China [65]. The maintenance of such huge forces in the conditions of the economic crisis and changes in the international situation was impossible, which led to a significant reduction in the Russian Air Force. Since 1992, a series of massive reductions in the number of aircraft began, while maintaining the generally unchanged structure of the Soviet Air Force. During this period, all obsolete aircraft were withdrawn from service. The combat personnel of the Air Force, Air Defense and Navy Aviation at the end of the period was represented almost exclusively by fourth-generation aircraft (Tu-22M3, Su-24M / MR, Su-25, Su-27, MiG-29 and MiG-31) [65]. The total number of air forces and air defense aviation decreased almost threefold - from 281 to 102 aviation regiments [65].

      By the end of 1991, the USSR Air Force totaled 211 aviation regiments and more than 14 thousand aircraft, including about 7 thousand combat. Air defense aviation totaled another 70 aviation regiments and about 3 thousand combat aircraft. The army aviation, which was subordinate to the ground forces, had approximately 5 thousand helicopters. After the collapse of the USSR, part of the air groupings went to the former Soviet republics. However, the main fleet remained under the control of the Russian Federation. Three main stages can be distinguished in the development of military aviation in modern Russia.
    2. EvilLion
      EvilLion 27 December 2013 19: 55
      -1
      There are too many planes left for the Russian army, even if we take exclusively modern cars.
      1. Kars
        Kars 27 December 2013 20: 21
        +1
        Quote: EvilLion
        There are too many planes left for the Russian army

        but for the Ukrainian, it’s probably left so that it’s not possible to write off one without a catastrophic loss of combat effectiveness.
  • sergey72
    sergey72 27 December 2013 11: 27
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    For overpaid gas, you can take a few dozen aircraft per month

    It would be interesting to see .... especially the sharing of money.
  • Leshka
    Leshka 27 December 2013 11: 48
    -2
    let's hope for the best
  • Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 27 December 2013 12: 01
    +1
    Ndaaa, sadness is all this.
  • Roman 1977
    Roman 1977 27 December 2013 12: 19
    0
    They are developing their own UBS:
    The State Enterprise "Experimental Design Bureau of General Aviation" has developed a project for a light combat aircraft D-14 equipped with 2 engines with an afterburner of the AI-222-25F type.

    The first information about the beginning of the development of a multi-purpose combat aircraft became known in 2005. Then Petro Poroshenko, who served as Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, said: “That in a few pet, literally three or four years, Ukraine will be able to demonstrate combat training aircraft, including at such salons as Le Bourget.” But unfortunately, funding for the development of this project has not been allocated.

    Attempts to create its own combat training aircraft in Ukraine have been made earlier. Back in 1999, it was planned to create an An-UBL combat training aircraft. Naturally, the developer should have been ANTK. However, until now, no one at ANTK has heard anything about such a project. In addition, in Kiev there is such an OKB "Experimental Design Bureau of General Aviation", they are actively nurturing the idea of ​​creating such a combat training aircraft.

    The concept of creating a promising aircraft is based on the multifunctionality of the platform. So on the basis of the aircraft under development, it is possible to create a whole family of aircraft for various purposes. There are options for creating on the basis of the D-14 aircraft a light fighter, combat training aircraft, light attack aircraft and attack unmanned aircraft.

    To date, information has appeared that the state concern "Ukroboronprom" is trying to reanimate this project. Concern specialists are actively exploring options for attracting potential buyers and investors in the process of developing and creating a promising aircraft. The outline design of the aircraft is actively demonstrated at all major defense exhibitions, where Ukroboronprom is exhibited.

    http://sdelanounas.in.ua/blogs/44793/

    1. Akim
      27 December 2013 12: 30
      -1
      Quote: Novel 1977
      They are developing their own UBS:

      This is a project from Poroshenko. And after the scandal with armored boats, they will trust him less.
      1. Roman 1977
        Roman 1977 27 December 2013 12: 42
        +1
        Sorry, dear Akim, what happened to the armored vehicles, I read on the BMP that the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine terminated the contract with the Kiev Lenin Forge factory, which was building the latest Gyurza-M armored boats for the river division of the Ukrainian Navy deployed in Odessa (on Western Naval Base).
        http://bmpd.livejournal.com/687730.html

        But it said that there were problems with the quality and technical documentation; supposedly, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine did not refuse them.
        1. Akim
          27 December 2013 13: 18
          0
          Quote: Novel 1977
          But it said that there were problems with the quality and technical documentation; supposedly, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine did not refuse them.

          Exactly. The order was simply transferred to another contractor because of the fraud at Leninskaya Kuzna, and the plant belongs to Poroshenko.
  • igor67
    igor67 27 December 2013 13: 15
    0
    Interestingly, what about the turntables? In the 90s, when exported cars were repaired, in the tax office every month they made one ovsky air force for the army
    1. Akim
      27 December 2013 13: 30
      -1
      Quote: igor67
      Interestingly, what about the turntables?

      This year, like two Mi-24P, two Mi-24V, One (?) Mi-8MT and one Mi-2MSB (transferred to the Kharkov Institute).
      1. igor67
        igor67 27 December 2013 13: 44
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        Quote: igor67
        Interestingly, what about the turntables?

        This year, like two Mi-24P, two Mi-24V, One (?) Mi-8MT and one Mi-2MSB (transferred to the Kharkov Institute).

        Tin, most likely there is no funding, I watched a YouTube film about my factory in the parking lot of hundreds of cars, mi2, 24,8, they are waiting for repair recourse
        1. Akim
          27 December 2013 13: 51
          0
          Quote: igor67
          There’s probably no funding,

          Yes. Less than 2 billion defense budgets could be.
          1. igor67
            igor67 27 December 2013 14: 03
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: igor67
            There’s probably no funding,

            Yes. Less than 2 billion defense budgets could be.

            I have one more suspicion, in 2000, when I quit, the rembase was a military unit and I reminded army vehicles at the expense of taxes, now it is a commercial enterprise and only real money
  • indiggo
    indiggo 27 December 2013 14: 57
    +4
    Well, after 10 years it will be possible to forget about the Air Force and Navy of Ukraine. for the time being, as it were, kept afloat at the expense of Soviet reserves.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 27 December 2013 17: 40
    0
    The Poles, due to the lack of reliable data, greatly embellished the real state of the Ukrainian. Air Force. What the aircraft repair factories in Ukraine do with aircraft equipment without up-to-date documentation of Russian developers (they do not want to pay for design documentation and ED) cannot be called a real "modernization". Well, the cadres of young new pilots cannot replace the remnants of the old guard. Plus only one from small plaque - nothing to break repeat
    1. Akim
      27 December 2013 18: 20
      0
      Quote: xomaNN
      in Ukraine they do it with aircraft without up-to-date documentation of Russian developers (they don't want to pay for design documentation and ED), it cannot be called a real "modernization".

      Aircraft repair plants in Ukraine were under the USSR and they had the necessary documentation. As for modernization, the Poles also allegedly have no right, but they are modernizing. Contracts and technical regulations should be carried out with the factory or design bureau manufacturer only when you sell this product to a foreign market. Konotop helicopter indulgence from KB Mil has.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 27 December 2013 19: 57
        -1
        The Poles have the right to do whatever they please with their MiGs, they received them legally, the only question is what will happen after this modernization.
        1. Akim
          27 December 2013 20: 06
          0
          Quote: EvilLion
          the only question is what will happen after this modernization.

          They will not upgrade it until the 4+ or 4 ++ generation. So. easy flashing.
  • Akim
    27 December 2013 18: 43
    0
    The acceptance of the next MiG-29UB is nearing completion. This is the fifth MiG in pixel camouflage.
  • RoTTor
    RoTTor 27 December 2013 20: 15
    +1
    What "air force" there is - one fart steam!
    But an absolute world record for how quickly and irrevocably ... the entire inheritance inherited from the USSR for nothing - from the Air Force, BTA, YES, MA KChF, + 2 VVAUL + VVAUSH + 3 VVAIU + VVATU.
    Under the operetta ministry of "defense", it is possible to organize CIA courses on training certified saboteurs for the accelerated collapse of their own army.
    As soon as the resource of a Soviet-made aircraft runs out, "Ukrainian aviation" will disappear forever. There is no production of its own. NATO members will not give back some old stuff and that is cheap. Russia itself is unable to provide its own aviation with new technology.
    It is worth recalling that the first traitor reptile was Major General Aviation Constantine Morozov, as in the Russian Federation, where the air generals also hurried to change the military oath
  • alone
    alone 27 December 2013 20: 15
    0
    Pole writes an article about the Ukrainian Air Force, Russian citizens condemn Ukraine for writing off their planes and cutting them for scrap. My friends, but the planes belong to Ukraine. It's their property, which is what they do. hi
    1. Akim
      27 December 2013 20: 21
      +1
      Quote: lonely
      Pole writes an article about the Ukrainian Air Force, Russian citizens condemn Ukraine for the fact that Ukraine wrote off its planes and cut it for scrap.

      I said earlier that this will be a vigorous mixture for those citizens of Russia who know everything about everyone.
      There are only two opinions - one is mine, the other is wrong!
      1. iConst
        iConst 27 December 2013 20: 48
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        There are only two opinions - one is mine, the other is wrong!

        There are two opinions - one is mine, and the second is mine too! bully
  • zheleznyack
    zheleznyack 27 December 2013 20: 44
    +1
    What are the Ukrainian air forces, what are you talking about, if we have an aviation condition below the baseboard then what are you talking about! Our brothers Tupol over the Black Sea are shooting down, and you ... Nothing personal, I even studied as a navigator in Kirovograd in the 80s and flew off for 12 years, but fact is fact ...
  • santush
    santush 28 December 2013 18: 39
    0
    Kravchuk for his direct participation in the collapse of the USSR and the renunciation of nuclear weapons, the collapse of the army-in court. Apply him the highest measure of social justice !!!
  • Cristall
    Cristall 28 December 2013 20: 33
    -1
    I can’t imagine what it would be-leave him a nuclear club .. There is no money to buy the Air Force, but here the nuclear potential without money ... that would be the case ...
    In the heart of Europe, a third of the Soviet warheads are unattended ... there would still be a nudge.
    However, what did we get from the refusal? I didn’t understand, well, the USA + Russia + Britain undertook to protect us ... well, as I understand it, they gave uranium to them for processing at nuclear power plants.
    All the same, the nuclear potential of Ukraine received orders from Moscow. And there was no money .. And it was dangerous ... Maybe Clinton reasoned correctly ...
    However, this is off topic ..
    On the topic - no money, this is understandable, citizens of the Russian Federation mock - well, you can understand them, they are richer and they have everything and everything is fine everywhere. Okay.
    Our planes were not built (we are talking about fighters and bombers with attack aircraft) only Ana. Factories for spare parts too .. Only repair. The fact that we are eating through the USSR is understandable, but we have no money or enemies yet
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 1 January 2014 13: 01
      +1
      we have no money or enemies yet

      Money will appear, enemies will appear.
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  • Akim
    29 December 2013 14: 44
    -1
    I am writing from the tablet, with errors, because on the road. Battery SAM "Dnepr".
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  • lexx2038
    lexx2038 31 December 2013 16: 10
    +2
    Once upon a time, civilized Europeans already held Babi Yar with you, don’t think that something has changed, only weapons have become even more murderous — you Slavs! All that the West has always tried to destroy is history, however, and there is no escape from this. Arm yourself and hold on to Russia. I myself am from Siberia, my grandfathers-hoh., My sidekick-hoh. -Every year he goes to his parents somewhere near Odessa, only yesterday they poached together to share something, I can’t understand it in any way. We have whole villages here Ukrainian in the district are scattered, almost all have relatives in Ukraine, but in Europe you are unlikely to find relatives there. The wise ladies and gentlemen of the Slavs want to push their foreheads together, because they are afraid of us and hate us!
  • rocketman
    rocketman 1 January 2014 02: 48
    -1
    Quote: evgenii67
    Thanks to the author for telling about the so-called forces and means of the Ukrainian Air Force, and then what? The equipment is becoming obsolete and needs to be replaced, there is no money, and the further development of fraternal Ukraine is not yet clear (even taking into account the Kremlin’s lubrication in the form of a loan and a reduction in gas prices) and it depends on who will (if it will) purchase aviation equipment, possibly for years in 7 in Ukraine there will be Mirages and F-15 God forbid.

    Yes, pri_du_rok this author, the article has a huge bunch of errors, and from the truth information - 15%. DON'T BE AFRAID, THERE WILL BE NO MIRAGE! There will be nothing at all, and much earlier, and not after 7 years. As soon as the next rehlormu is over, the air forces of Ukraine will simply cease to exist.
    Quote: Akim
    Two years ago, negotiations were conducted with the Swedes. They offered to rent or lease their JAS 39 Gripen and make two AWACS based on Anov.

    Boo-gag-ha! and where are these projects? one boltology.
    And yet - I read the comments - well, then exactly all the aviation specialists gathered here. Everyone is stubbornly discussing what the Ukrainian Armed Forces have long been gone and never will be.
  • zlyden2013
    zlyden2013 3 January 2014 20: 56
    0
    At our airport in Kazakhstan, we also dismantled the whole Tu-16 division back in 96 and much more