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The construction of the Chinese complex in Huandikun was launched in 2008 and completed by 2013, although the first take-off of the prototype of the J-15 carrier-based fighter from the springboard of the complex took place in January of 2012. On the published satellite image of the complex, it can be seen that the complex has two runways, one of which has two blocks of starting springboards, and the other has two blocks of aerofinishers. The outlines of one of the springboard blocks imitate the flight deck of the first Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning (the former Soviet Varyag). At the Huandikun airfield, 24 built individual hangars for J-15 aircraft, as well as three large hangars with 36 sizes on 55 meters are visible.


In addition to this complex in Huanedikun, a ground complex with a springboard launch unit is available in the PRC at the airfield of the Chinese flight test center CTFE in Xian-Yanlan (Shanxi province). It was there that the flight tests, including those with a springboard start, and the prototypes of the J-15 fighter were held. However, in the CTFE there is no aerofinisers block.
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  1. Migari
    Migari 26 December 2013 11: 52
    +9
    China undertook to increase its capital overhaul; militarization is on track.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 26 December 2013 12: 54
      +6
      Quote: Migari
      China undertook to ramp up its forces, militarization is in full swing

      Yeah .. The prospect of the Chinese aircraft carriers coming soon in the Indian Ocean and on our Far Eastern naval theater should already make our general staff move. Some submarines will not save from AUG! And India with its aircraft-carrying forces is on its way, not to mention the amers, whose AUGs hang around wherever they like, and they wanted to lay down on everyone! request
      1. sledgehammer102
        sledgehammer102 26 December 2013 17: 52
        +2
        Quote: GSH-18
        , should already make our general staff move.

        In principle, they move, another question is that stagnation of shipyards without orders and modernization in the 90 years takes time.

        Here are military fighter jets produced at an increasing pace, transferred more than 50 combat and somewhere else 30 training or transport
        Helicopters, so I generally keep quiet, for a hundred this year put
        C-400 already 7 regiments
        Submarines finally began to be accepted into the composition, while others laid or launched
        But with the surface fleet, everything is not very good, but the movements are visible. Waiting for 2014 and new bookmarks

        Yes, and the threat of war with China is largely contrived, and the idea is being actively promoted everywhere and everything, although it is clear that basically it is all against the Japanese and America, only after them India and Vietnam, the RF’s turn is probably in the top ten
      2. Civil
        Civil 26 December 2013 20: 22
        -1
        And here it was not without our Ukrainian friends, again everything was transferred to the Chinese.
    2. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 26 December 2013 13: 20
      +14
      Quote: Migari
      China undertook to increase its capital overhaul; militarization is on track.

      And who would doubt that it would be different? The country is developing, resources are needed, this is critical for them. And this requires powerful armed forces.
      In general, Russia’s underestimation of China is surprising, being careless bordering on recklessness.
    3. URAL72
      URAL72 26 December 2013 14: 37
      +5
      Quote: Migari
      China undertook to increase its capital overhaul; militarization is on track.


      I am glad that the Su-35 began to arrive at the Dzemgi airbase, and the Su-30SM at the Domna - local battered MiGs, can hardly withstand the Chinese Su. It looks like Moscow understood that the main threat today is not Georgia, and not even a catered NATO, which somehow does not need a nuclear strike ...
    4. waisson
      waisson 26 December 2013 19: 38
      0
      we would like that, and while the army receives crumbs and the defense industry works under almost all for export, they manage to sell new equipment and rubbish everywhere and to the troops
    5. alone
      alone 26 December 2013 22: 28
      +2
      Quote: Migari
      China undertook to increase its capital overhaul; militarization is on track.


      Not at all. Militarization is proceeding at a frantic pace. Agree, few people can now compete at this pace !!
    6. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 27 December 2013 03: 33
      +1
      China has set itself the goal of becoming number "one" in the world political arena, and is very confident about this. And if earlier they were condescending to it, then later they began to be considered, and soon they will ask permission ... Meanwhile, our Far East it is obscenely open, the expansion "into the quiet" by the Chinese is simply terrifying, the bill is already in the millions !!! what the authorities think about is unclear. everything is heading towards the capture of the region, and it’s not possible to simply take it and expel it ... before we have time to look back, we will no longer need a fleet there. everything is very serious ... fool
  2. Airman
    Airman 26 December 2013 11: 53
    +3
    Well, China is rapidly mastering carrier-based aviation, increasing its power, and taking into account the draft of a new aircraft carrier .... suggests, against whom?
    1. user1212
      user1212 26 December 2013 12: 24
      +6
      China refuses further accumulation of the American currency. Simply put, they will no longer feed America. Do you think there will be people in the USA who will try to force China to change the decision?
    2. S-200
      S-200 26 December 2013 12: 41
      -1
      Quote: Povshnik
      Well, China is rapidly mastering carrier-based aviation, increasing its power, and taking into account the draft of a new aircraft carrier .... suggests, against whom?

      Are you hinting that they will swim to Moscow (St. Petersburg)?
      1. gizz
        gizz 26 December 2013 15: 26
        +4
        Well, Russia (for now) is not only Moscow and St. Petersburg ...
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 26 December 2013 12: 57
      +2
      Quote: Povshnik
      Well, China is rapidly mastering carrier-based aviation, increasing its power, and taking into account the draft of a new aircraft carrier .... suggests, against whom?

      Well, certainly not for our safety ...
    4. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 26 December 2013 17: 31
      +4
      Quote: Povshnik
      Well, China is rapidly mastering carrier-based aviation, increasing its power, and taking into account the draft of a new aircraft carrier .... suggests, against whom?

      First, against those who are weaker and more defenseless, and then the main dishes will go ... Many people like to argue here whether they are arming themselves against the USA, against India or against Russia ... China is omnivorous - everyone will fit into use, in a random order. wink
    5. Konsmo
      Konsmo 26 December 2013 18: 05
      0
      What are the Chinese aircraft carriers taking to Baikal? Russia is the only country in the world who has Chinese, there is no tooth. Do you want to wet the only ally who also has unlimited resources? Only Americans can come up with this.

      It’s interesting that the word Am ery changes automatically for the Americans. Oh .. whether that.
      1. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 27 December 2013 03: 00
        +2
        Quote: Konsmo
        What are the Chinese aircraft carriers taking to Baikal? Russia is the only country in the world who has Chinese, there is no tooth. Do you want to wet the only ally who also has unlimited resources? Only Americans can come up with this.

        It’s interesting that the word Am ery changes automatically for the Americans. Oh .. whether that.

        But the Chinese have a grudge against Russia, google it - everything is there (China's territorial disputes).
        Write - yusovtsy. laughing
  3. Michael-rl
    Michael-rl 26 December 2013 12: 04
    +6
    IMHO, first of all, it is against Japan with a hint of the United States. Against Russia, China will need aircraft carriers last.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 26 December 2013 12: 59
      0
      Quote: Michael-rl
      Against Russia, China will need aircraft carriers last.

      And can you give a one hundred percent guarantee? belay
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 26 December 2013 13: 29
        +3
        Yes, they are bordered by Russia, I think there are enough airfields near the borders, and take risks against the nuclear submarines in Vladik?
    2. Akim
      Akim 26 December 2013 13: 40
      +1
      Quote: Michael-rl
      IMHO, first of all, it is against Japan with a hint of the United States

      Actually the first against the Philippines.
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 27 December 2013 03: 39
      +1
      Michael-rlIMHO, first of all, it is against Japan with a hint of the United States. Against Russia, China will need aircraft carriers last. hi your IMHO is just your IMHO, you can comfort yourself as you like, but the facts are stubborn things, and they say something completely different ... You probably never heard of Damansky ...
  4. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 26 December 2013 12: 20
    +1
    China is ahead of the rest .... and grandmothers for defense are a dime a dozen ...
  5. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 26 December 2013 12: 29
    -2
    Let them arm themselves .. maybe they will grapple with amers. And "bang .." we always have time for them
    1. Oleg 7302
      Oleg 7302 26 December 2013 23: 41
      +5
      What nonsense? To smell, to throw caps, what else will we have time?
  6. leks
    leks 26 December 2013 12: 45
    +7
    China understands perfectly everything who their number one enemy on the planet is, the only country that can compete with them is the United States, while China does not know exactly how many nuclear weapons and ICBMs and yet they do not enter into different limiters such as strategic offensive arms. Which China has missiles? short, medium and maximum range. Once again, I don’t know exactly how many missiles are on alert? China has no counts.
    I generally don’t understand why Russia doesn’t withdraw from the treaties on the GNSO? Since these treaties do not reflect the reality and the current state of affairs, in the 20th century there were two USSR-USA superpowers, they concluded it among themselves, now other powers such as China, India, Pakistan, Israel, Iran, North Korea, they are better off with these treaties ... and we hold on to them like a straw, you might think that in case of war they will help us, but with these treaties all will be erased on the first day who is not lazy.
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      1. Airman
        Airman 28 December 2013 22: 03
        0
        Quote: -Barbar-
        "... I don’t understand why Russia is not withdrawing from the START treaties?"
        In my opinion, everything is simple. Russia does not want to violate the treaties that it signed (the USSR, by the way, acted in the same way) until such time as it will not free its hands from the actions of its opponents (the United States). And behind them, as history shows, "will not rust", since they break contracts easily.
        And this "straw" allows us (Russians) to be real people, and not "temporary workers".
        China and others (unsigned) have their own tangle of unrelated problems with neighbors - Japan, Pakistan, Korea, Taiwan, etc. So if problems start, then only from there.


        We need to do what is beneficial to us, and not to the Americans and everyone else.
    2. Andrey57
      Andrey57 26 December 2013 22: 40
      +2
      Look at the respected Chinese high-rise dams on the rivers in Google Earth, and then look at what is located on these rivers downstream and it will immediately become clear to you why Russia does not care how the Chinese are wearing a cap - downstream of these rivers everything main industrial and agricultural areas. and there are several annual river flows above the dams, so it’s not a question to wash their entire industry into the South China Sea, you need a little warheads, the Chinese are well aware of this too, so we will be the last ones they want to butt with.
    3. -Barbarian-
      -Barbarian- 13 July 2014 11: 57
      0
      "... I don’t understand why Russia is not withdrawing from the START treaties?"
      In my opinion, everything is simple. Russia does not want to violate the treaties that it signed (the USSR, by the way, acted in the same way) until such time as it will not free its hands from the actions of its opponents (the United States). And behind them, as history shows, "will not rust", since they break contracts easily.
      And this "straw" allows us (Russians) to be real people, and not "temporary workers".
      China and others (unsigned) have their own tangle of unrelated problems with neighbors - Japan, Pakistan, Korea, Taiwan, etc. So if problems start, then only from there.
  7. VohaAhov
    VohaAhov 26 December 2013 12: 46
    +2
    Ukraine is now biting its elbows with its "independence." We have the thread being completed, China has it, even India is completing its thread.
    1. rolik2
      rolik2 26 December 2013 12: 56
      +1
      Quote: VohaAhov
      from Ukraine now bites her elbows

      Why bite that? And so it was clear that Russia would build its training ground, regardless of relations with Ukraine, because it was somehow a little expensive to fly planes from the SF to Krim.
      1. Akim
        Akim 26 December 2013 13: 42
        +2
        Quote: rolik2
        with SF in Cream somehow a little expensive.

        Is it closer to Yeisk? As much as 150 cams
      2. alex13-61
        alex13-61 26 December 2013 15: 42
        +3
        Quote: rolik2
        it’s a little expensive to drive planes from the SF to Krim.

        To train the flight crew, weather conditions are needed, for which it is also necessary to fly planes both to the Crimea and the Caucasus ... Only in Crimea will this natural grace (the number of sunny days per year) be seen to remain unclaimed.
  8. marxlight
    marxlight 26 December 2013 12: 46
    +1
    Well done Chinese! You can be proud of their nation.
    I hope she will always be our allies in a certain sense.
    1. mazhnikof.Niko
      mazhnikof.Niko 26 December 2013 14: 16
      +7
      China has no allies, in no sense. China has only INTERESTS, in the GREAT KHAN sense.
      1. Zabvo
        Zabvo 27 December 2013 07: 15
        0
        Well, actually, in any country, OWN interests are in the first place, and then everything else.
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    3. samoletil18
      samoletil18 27 December 2013 07: 33
      0
      Quote: marxlight
      Well done Chinese! You can be proud of their nation.
      I hope she will always be our allies in a certain sense.

      It is better, in relation to them, to be friendly neutral.
  9. valodavoodoo
    valodavoodoo 26 December 2013 12: 57
    +6
    And they also build icebreakers and claim the Arctic, then in which turn? We need to strengthen our Arctic fleet and borders as if we were not friends with the Chinese.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 26 December 2013 17: 20
      +1
      Quote: valodavoodoo
      They also build icebreakers and claim the Arctic

      So think for yourself-Chinese AUGs, coupled with icebreakers? Probably against Japan or northern Guinea? .. belay Or maybe they want to control the south pole? wassat
      Even the Amers do not have such ambitions, and clearly directed preparations (they do not build icebreakers for their AUGs).
  10. mountain
    mountain 26 December 2013 13: 02
    0
    I am not a strategist and the picture is not clear to me. If the USA, Japan, South. Kareya, Australia and other enemies of China will want that not one ship will not leave the Chinese ports. And if they come out, then they definitely will not come back. And that it turns out that all military operations will be land forces, and here it turns out even more interesting. This is where all their armada, trample? There are not many options.
    1. Akim
      Akim 26 December 2013 13: 45
      +5
      Quote: mountain
      one ships will not leave Chinese ports

      The Chinese aircraft carrier guard ship was already ramming an American destroyer last week.
  11. mountain
    mountain 26 December 2013 13: 55
    +4
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: mountain
    one ships will not leave Chinese ports

    The Chinese aircraft carrier guard ship was already ramming an American destroyer last week.

    Dear, I also read this news. And the actions of China are understandable and approved. But look at the map and, it seems to me that not everything is so simple, and China is in the ring, well-wishers. That's what I wanted to talk about. Or am I the only one so wonderful?
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    2. -Barbarian-
      -Barbarian- 13 July 2014 12: 03
      0
      I completely agree! They collected the ring "for everyone to envy." Time will tell how they will be dismissed, but here is the regularity - as soon as a healthy core appears in any country (sovereigns, patriots, etc.) and they begin to drag the country like Munchausen - for all protruding places :), then right there at this country "looming" enemies, creditors, revolutionaries and others and others. And countries have different wounds that are not compatible with life. And it was not in vain that China began to arm itself, intelligence does not sleep (according to rumors, it is in the top five). In addition, they understand that they are potentially a threat to everyone (in number - in 1 turn).
  12. Zomanus
    Zomanus 26 December 2013 14: 48
    +1
    And our thread still does not work ... Yes, and there are less and less deck aircraft ... as well as deck pilots.
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  14. saag
    saag 26 December 2013 15: 39
    +2
    The American destroyer needs to be on duty along with the submarine so that next time in terms of self-defense, China will receive a midship torpedo
  15. leks
    leks 26 December 2013 16: 50
    +1
    Quote: -Barbar-
    "... I don’t understand why Russia is not withdrawing from the START treaties?"
    In my opinion, everything is simple. Russia does not want to violate the treaties that it signed (the USSR, by the way, acted in the same way) until such time as it will not free its hands from the actions of its opponents (the United States). And behind them, as history shows, "will not rust", since they break contracts easily.
    And this "straw" allows us (Russians) to be real people, and not "temporary workers".
    China and others (unsigned) have their own tangle of unrelated problems with neighbors - Japan, Pakistan, Korea, Taiwan, etc. So if problems start, then only from there.

    You yourself thought that you wrote, knowingly leaving yourself at a disadvantage in front of a potential adversary, only for the sake of treaties that reflected that historical period of history, the United States withdrew from the ABM Treaty in the zero, saying that it was outdated and we did NOTHING, now they create a global missile defense system in defense against Iran and North Korea but everyone here understands that this is nonsense, hundreds of anti-missiles, from dozens of nuclear missiles of Iran and Korea, everyone knows that missile defense is opposed to Russian missiles, and in your opinion we should remain people signed an agreement. Moreover, these points in these agreements were beneficial only to the United States but thanks to Gorbachev for us, we are destroying our potential and the Americans are storing it.
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    2. -Barbarian-
      -Barbarian- 13 July 2014 11: 59
      0
      I thought, don’t worry :) But you think ... Based on some threats, and trying to change the balance in your direction, there can be no peace (for example, you don’t have to go for a long time - the Cold War and its consequences). Such a policy ends only with a waste of resources and a decline in the country (the United States - they immediately scaled down large-scale projects, since they are very expensive ... + The enemy disappeared, the people relaxed to the point that heresy was flooded - they even talk about branches, there’s no way to redo the economy - everyone got used to the feeders, they don’t want to work, the plants moved to China .. etc. In short, they became opportunists and temporary workers).
      Imagine a situation - two students in a hostel. So that there was order, we agreed on the rules. And then BAM! One today was impatient to turn on the music for the whole night (this is a violation of the rules), then something else, again violations, because it is FAVORABLE for him NOW. What will you do in place of the second ??? declare a disco night? And what do you do it? Right! first - a quarrel, then a fight, then intrigue, and finally hatred. Since you can't solve the problem of NORMAL (without breaking the rules) life with such a neighbor, you will either have to expel him or look for a new place yourself. Or change the opinion of others about him - so that they "branded the reptile" and kicked out.
      Now back to the contracts. Violation or cancellation - leads to the fact that they cease to reckon with you (you can’t believe a word, you cannot rely on it either). Who needs such a partner? Well and most importantly - to create an advantage in the eyes of the world (they are bad, we are good). Bottom line, see how countries began to behave towards the United States. In every possible way they leave from under their influence. Unsightly stories are exposed - further exacerbating the situation. Formerly dependent countries, they are looking for a new support - in politics, economics. Giving us (Russia) the opportunity to lead our game. The proof is the success of 2013 of the year.
      But that is not all! Putin himself mentioned that they say about your missile defense and other aggressions - we have something to answer and surprise more than once. Judging by the fact that the budget has been classified in some places, and unrealistic money is spent on some projects, and then lost ... We are building something secret. And this, apparently, should be enough to answer both the USA and China and to anyone else.
      And it turns out like this in life — if you don’t want to live peacefully — sooner or later they will torment you with all your heart, and so there will be no life. And the United States behaves just like that - bully and running up.
  16. Kulneff2009
    Kulneff2009 26 December 2013 17: 12
    +2
    One day we wake up ... Wham! And the Chinese are everywhere. Everything was hammered by them before the Urals. And then what will happen? In Moscow-Caucasus, in Yekaterinburg-Beijing? Russians, we sleep further!
  17. xomaNN
    xomaNN 26 December 2013 18: 14
    -1
    You scratch the Chinese, and underneath it is Ukrainian. - The Russian complex is visible. The truth remained "nenka" now in the Crimea with unnecessary THREAD, they will pull away. The next object with a similar fate is a Ukrainian. GTS? repeat
    1. xomaNN
      xomaNN 27 December 2013 17: 22
      0
      Those. do not agree in fact that the thread will go to the scrap? And the GTS? Or just from nat. negative harm?
  18. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 26 December 2013 18: 37
    +3
    The Chinese simply skillfully use the results of the collapse of the Soviet Union. There’s nothing to hide, they’re cunning when a freebie smells. Where can you buy an aircraft carrier at the price of scrap metal? A complete copying of Russian military equipment has already become a byword. But Vaska is listening and there is, and all he does not care.
  19. baku1999
    baku1999 26 December 2013 18: 55
    -4
    ??????????????????
  20. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 26 December 2013 20: 45
    +1
    If you want peace, get ready for war. That’s what the Chinese do, reasonably, and then, why do we call China’s weapons militarization, let’s get rid of these Cold War terms in the name of objectivity.
  21. individual
    individual 26 December 2013 21: 11
    +1
    China wedged itself into a run in world scientific and technological thought after actively copying and cloning everything and everyone.
    The trick of the Chinese is that they inconceivably reproduce themselves, but they also propagate everything that they see.
    Asks Will human civilization of planet Earth cope with such multiplication to infinity?
  22. Megre
    Megre 26 December 2013 21: 21
    0
    - The question is not whether China will attack Russia, but when? This is an article by a well-known military expert, deputy director of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis, Alexander Khramchikhin.

    The author believes that if large-scale military aggression in the “classical” form will ever be committed against Russia, then China will be the aggressor with a probability of 95% (if not 99,99%).
    1. Megre
      Megre 26 December 2013 21: 27
      +1
      The Chinese declare the territory of Russia their land
      In the 2005 exercises of the year on the Shandong Peninsula, Russian military experts accidentally saw the Chinese staff cards. All of Siberia, Kazakhstan, Central Asia are yellow painted over them - in China these territories are considered captured by Russians more than 300 years ago.
      1. Megre
        Megre 26 December 2013 21: 30
        0
        Obviously, in a few years, China will solve all issues with territories along its perimeter and the issue of invading Russia will be only a matter of time. China will not stop even before the threat of use
        Russia’s nuclear weapons, for more than once the Chinese army made small sorties against the USSR at a time when the Soviet Union already had combat nuclear capabilities, especially since, according to the latest data, China itself has a large stockpile of nuclear weapons.
        1. Megre
          Megre 26 December 2013 21: 31
          0
          In addition, China is not just making claims to the Russian Far East. These "primordially Russian" lands actually became so only during the second Opium War of 1856-1860, in which
          England and France jointly defeated China, and tsarist Russia cunningly participated in the division of production, replenishing themselves in the vast Far Eastern territories, where the seaport of Vladivostok was founded in 1861.

          After the settlement of internal problems and the expulsion of the Kuomintang to Taiwan in the late 40s of the 1969th century, China began to strengthen its power under the leadership of the communist government, and border conflicts occurred in China with almost all the countries with which it borders. In 70, there were Soviet-Chinese border conflicts on Damansky Island (on the Ussuri River) and in Kazakhstan (Lake Zhalanashkol). In the XNUMXs, China also fought with India and Vietnam over the border territories. The constant expeditions of the Chinese army during the civil war to Burma and Korea confirmed China's reputation as an aggressive and dangerous country for its neighbors.
          1. Megre
            Megre 26 December 2013 21: 33
            +1
            The Russian-Chinese military maneuvers on the Shandong Peninsula in 2005 caused joyful broadcasts by Russian government media, and although the scenario for the exercises was supposedly anti-terrorism, it is clear that these exercises were a rehearsal of the invasion and
            capture of the island of Taiwan. The Chinese are interested in exploring the strength and capabilities of Russian weapons before purchasing and using them. All the assurances of the Russian military that China is our eternal partner and ally are ridiculous, because only very short-sighted people can consider such a partnership equal: the Russian army is completely unworkable, and our country is virtually unarmed in the face of a warlike eastern neighbor. Russia has several years to rearm and train its army, and if we do not, then in a few years we may lose up to one third of its territory.

            There are many examples in world history when joint military exercises, perceived by one side as allied interaction, were considered by the other side as an intelligence operation.
            Such cynical pragmatism came into practice in the XNUMXth century, when political relations between the countries freed themselves from medieval nobility. The pre-war exercises of the USSR and fascist Germany, during which the Germans became well acquainted with the technique and combat readiness of the Red Army, became a textbook example of exercises as intelligence.

            During the post-perestroika years, Russia has already conducted about 6 exercises with the United States under the code name "Torgau". The exercises were held in Germany and even in the Moscow region. They can be seen as a sluggish intelligence operation. It should be noted that classical military intelligence is always a long-term and systemic event, and joint exercises can be nothing more than an episode.

            Anatoly Tsyganok, Candidate of Military Sciences, Professor, Corresponding Member of the Academy of Military Sciences, Head of the Center for Military Forecasting, Institute of Political and Military Analysis.
            1. Megre
              Megre 26 December 2013 21: 34
              +1
              The policy of the Russian foreign policy leadership is short-sighted: our leaders prefer money now and do not think about what will happen to their children, who will have to deal with China in the future. Russia sells China aircraft with two spare engines. Nobody does it in
              world, as suppliers of military equipment prefer to develop the business of after-sales supplies of spare parts.

              In the 60s, a secret military experiment was conducted in the USSR on the experience of repelling wave attacks of the Chinese army, the main advantage of which in those years was a huge number of soldiers (up to 5 million).
              The Soviet air-cooled small arms could not physically stop the huge Chinese army, and the conclusion was unequivocal - in favor of the use of nuclear weapons in the event of a major conflict with China.

              The policy of the top foreign policy leadership of Russia and the General Staff is to make a friend from China, to persuade a potentially dangerous neighbor. That is what creation is aimed at
              military alliance - the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), which will also include Iran, India, Pakistan and Mongolia. The SCO's first allied initiatives were Karimov’s support in Uzbekistan and the Allies’s agreement to support China and conduct an anti-terrorist operation in the Sukhnaya Autonomous Region in the event of major unrest.

              In China, a program of creeping expansion on Russian territory has been adopted - according to Confucius: if not by force, then by intelligence and cunning. This is what we are observing in the Russian Far East, where the number of Chinese migrants is growing dangerously.
              1. Oleg 7302
                Oleg 7302 27 December 2013 00: 16
                +2
                Absolutely agree! As far as I know the Chinese and am familiar with them, this is exactly what happens: with the mind, cunning and using the venality of our officials, they control the situation in the Far East. This is in everyday life. Absolutely the same method they use in all intentions to conclude contracts and agreements. The principle is simple: Agreed, shook hands, got what he wanted, sent partners nafig. This has always been and will be with the Chinese.
  23. Bezyana God
    Bezyana God 27 December 2013 00: 33
    -1
    ____ Given the enormous length of the joint border with Russia, it is clear that the Chinese fleet is designed to confront with another country. So let them build, you can even help them with this! ...
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 27 December 2013 07: 43
      +1
      Quote: Bezyana God
      ____ Given the enormous length of the joint border with Russia, it is clear that the Chinese fleet is designed to confront with another country. So let them build, you can even help them with this! ...

      China’s attempts to build aircraft carriers are not comparable to the scale of tank building, as well as the production of medium-range missiles, and this does not apply to the United States and Japan, it is against us ...
  24. samoletil18
    samoletil18 27 December 2013 07: 52
    +1
    The Chinese icebreaker is moving to help a Russian scientific vessel off the coast of Antarctica. Is this news of mutual assistance at sea? Or about the availability of icebreakers for the AUG?
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    1. Megre
      Megre 27 December 2013 19: 12
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      What kind of contracts? Hitler also signed contracts! In Soviet times, we would have been with the greatest difficulty, but would have defeated the Chinese. Now where are the fortified areas? Where are the tank armies? Where is the political will to use nuclear weapons? Some Chinese immigrants. Disguised as spies and soldiers. I served on the Chinese border and I know the Chinese. They are ready for war, but we are not. Fucking thieving oligarchs for this reason do not soar. And the Russian guys will die. I don’t put a minus to you, but start thinking with your head. Sincerely, Far Eastern warrior.
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    vel19777 27 December 2013 21: 03
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    Yes, competition in the ocean is growing. You look soon traffic jams in the straits will begin lol Xia
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    1. Megre
      Megre 28 December 2013 09: 55
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      The war with China has been going on for a long time. Chinese people are systematically moving to Siberia and the Far East. Among them are professional intelligence officers and the military. The location of our military bases, the number of military personnel, equipment, etc. etc. It's no secret for them. Further, the Chinese people make provocations, such as being oppressed and declaring Chinese autonomy. Well, something like this .... Then comes the introduction of troops. Our military heroically enter the battle, but the advantage is tenfold on the side of the Chinese. Nuclear weapons are not used because in the combat zone, including the Russian population. As for the will of Putin: he does not touch the Chinese in Russia (as well as all the "guest workers"). He pounds only on the titular state-forming nation. RUSSIAN. Russophobe, you know. As for the Chinese, in the eighties we held them back. Not now.
      PS Fortified areas were designed to contain the first few waves of whales. Week, one and a half maximum. Further tank armies and massive air raids.
      Protection option: throw kremlezhulikov.
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        Smoke 28 December 2013 10: 09
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        sorry, I’m living in Siberia and I don’t watch something from professional Chinese intelligence officers; moreover, I don’t observe any Chinese here. There are enough Tajiks of Uzbeks, but you can’t see the Chinese ... Even in the Amur region I did not see them) But our pensioners are quietly moving to live in China, you cannot heal our pension in our native country, and there in China it’s already quite food is enough
  28. -Barbarian-
    -Barbarian- 13 July 2014 12: 05
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    Quote: Megrae
    In addition, China is not just making claims to the Russian Far East. These "primordially Russian" lands actually became such only during the second Opium War of 1856-1860, in which England and France jointly defeated China, and tsarist Russia cleverly took part in the division of the booty, taking possession of vast Far Eastern territories, where in 1861 and the seaport of Vladivostok was founded.

    What are you talking about !!! How strange it is for you - and the lands say the former Chinese and the Russian army is not capable of fighting ... and then suddenly BAM! at the same time the signing of border treaties is in progress. It is very unusual in world history to sign agreements with a weak (supposedly) party. As Fursov put it, "if you look like food, you will soon be devoured." So we, in theory, should already be grumbled and chomp loudly in the process (we are not ready, they say). But somehow it didn't work out, right ?!
    And about the borders and their belonging - here, who can maintain them (by any means - diplomatic, legal, military, economic, etc. Whoever got the opinion of neighbors and allies .. or convinced them) is the boss. And the historical (allegedly) justification for the land is just a pretext for aggression or "noodles" to all the participants in the dispute. So you can agree, for example, to Tartary and the wall protecting the Aryans from the threat coming from the "Chinites". What has fallen is lost! (for some reason no one is going to give us Poland and Finland) And we must live and defend ourselves against any aggression.
  29. -Barbarian-
    -Barbarian- 13 July 2014 12: 06
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    Quote: Megrae
    They are ready for war, but we are not .... Regards, Far Eastern warrior.

    That is, judging by your words, that you, as a warrior-Far East (were) not ready for war ??? And your command is not guilty, which did not prepare its soldiers? And the reason for everything - the oligarchs ??? Did I understand you correctly???
    What were you doing there then? Apparently they were thinking with their heads, because having come to the Conclusions, now you advise me to do this ?! I am not a "Chinese" and I am not going to attack you.
    Regarding treaties, the USSR signed them with all countries, because it wanted to live peacefully and develop - and on cooperation and trade. However, the non-aggression pact to which you are appealing - well, does not reach the agreement on the borders between the Russian Federation and the PRC, you must agree .. The fact that Germany violated the pact is a separate conversation, but here is the fact that its consequences are being cleared up by the 5th generation Germans - do not forget. Germany forever entered the "black list of history" as a state that does not keep its words and violates its own treaties. The United States is following the same path, by the way.
    And yet - we had the same non-aggression papers: Non-aggression treaty between the USSR and Poland of the 1932 of the year (the Poles did not attack), the Soviet-French non-aggression pact - an agreement concluded on November 29 of the 1932 of the year (the French did not attack). And, for sure, you, as a military man, know that the situation in those years was shaken by specific countries. Instability increased in Europe and the USSR strove to introduce a collective security system in Europe - for the benefit of all. True, this did not suit everyone ...
    And in our time, China is showing aggression? Countries capturing? Then why lament that Russian guys need to die ??? I am the same Russian as you - they will attack in line in the first ranks. BUT only when they attack me and the country! You, as a warrior, in my opinion, were taught the same way, wasn't that so ?! Do not "flog a fever" and prepare for possible problems, including wars.
    By the way, tell me, as a professional - will UR help defend against an enemy missile strike? About the tanks - I agree to be cut. But where do you own the data about Putin’s lack of will, I would be very interested to know :)
    Even "Medved" (what a liberal, sorry for the harshness) in 2008 - did not flinch, gave the order.
    Do not focus on possible threats, offer options for protecting the country (it can be economically justified).