Millions of people in Ukraine believe in the fairy tale "The rule of law"

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Millions of people in Ukraine believe in the fairy tale "The rule of law"


Observing how the leadership in Ukraine is trying to create anti-Maidans, you unwittingly understand that the government, even if it is the most honest, will always lose to the creative class in the organization, in providing information and “friendship” of a PR action. And then, unfortunately, a low confidence rating even in the south-east of the country. This short note is not about how dissatisfaction of the people by the authorities with the interests of the liberals and nationalists coincided in Ukraine, and not even about the fact that the liberals always monopolize all kinds of protests against the authorities, but about the reasons for the inexhaustible source of evro-romanticism.

Back at the end of 2011, the Russian political analyst S. Kurginyan began to sound the alarm that in the Russian Federation (as concerns Ukraine too) there is no patriotic conservative opposition to the current government. In other words, there is no civil-political association in the country, which will demand from the government even greater statehood, patriotism, justice, planning in the economy and conservatism in society. After all, the security forces, workers of factories, enterprises, and factories, as well as people of the public sector, cannot calmly and at any time, even if they have free time from work, group together in the form of a flash mob and creative action to attest to their position. As a rule, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation and trade unions are engaged in this, or according to the distribution of a cumbersome bureaucratic machine, that is, the authorities. Hence the funny comments of liberal journalists in Ukraine. For example, after the end of the regular rally in support of Yanukovich, a lot of garbage and dirt remained, and the “good” and creative maydanshchiki (European integrators) came the next day and helped the housing and utilities workers to remove the Mariinsky park near the country's parliament, thereby showing that they were supposedly conscious citizens, unlike "scoops". But after all, there is also a lot of garbage and broken benches on the Independence, which have become part of the barricades, and burning dirty barrels, and not only! Why is the direct linear control of anti-Maidan visible from the authorities, but not from euromaidan? Is it the dominance of the liberal media? The Liberal will say straight off: “Well, after all, Maidan is a civil movement from below, it is an independent body, and anti-Maidan is just a gathering of state employees under pressure from the authorities!” In part, of course, he will be right. But just let him explain where the hamsters, students and other guests from Western Ukraine for so many days of protests knew when, where and at what time you need to go to different places of the unfamiliar center of Kiev to block this or that institution, where, by a strange coincidence , considered important questions and ultimatums of the opposition? Really, on frosty winter evenings, maydanshchik directly from the tablets went to the archaic, poorly updated and inconvenient Verkhovna Rada website, where they watched when and which committee of the parliament met, then to reach out there and block everything? Not! It was all done and coordinated by their thousand, centurion, who are members of the opposition and take orders directly from the opposition headquarters. And then it projects the alleged headquarters of the civil revolution. Therefore, it looks beautiful, bright and seemingly natural and independent. Not a single person will begin to seize the city administration if there is no deputy with a crust of “immunity” from the opposition next to him in the same sports home suit. In addition, euromaidan participants are left to their “creativity”, for example, to make their proposal for improving barricades, sketching new posters and even participating in the creation of a field kitchen.

But why does euromaidan attract not only entrepreneurs and office plankton, but also state employees, sometimes workers, and even Afghan veterans? Is it only because there is no state-forming patriotic opposition? Alas, but not only. And the matter is not only in the absence of ideology, and the difference in the understanding of the Motherland in the west and east of Ukraine. As long as we and our children are learning and living in the “pink” world, the creative class will dominate, despite its minority.

Millions of people in Ukraine and Russia believe in fairy tales: “The Rule of Law”, “Market Economy”, “Democracy”, “Western World”.

I remember my student “pink gatherings” at the debates and round tables of the institute, where law teachers and I discussed in an open and creative dialogue, saying, why Ukraine cannot build a civil law society and carry out reforms like Poland and other countries Of Eastern Europe. All with a clever look and literate words complained to each other that our country was stuck in the Scoop, and we will have to wait for a change of generations. But, damn it, no one said that the price of such legal reforms is at least a legal dictate of private life, the regulation of all forms of behavior in society, which in the twentieth century was regulated by ethics and education. As an example of total democracy and stupid regulation, this is the right to public masturbation, which was confirmed by the Supreme Court of Sweden, etc. And such a concept as juvenile justice or civil denunciation was not even mentioned at all in the historical law faculty. Naturally, teachers of economics lectured on the advantages of the Western economy and on what available loans with scanty interest. But we were not told about the existence of microcredits to pay off current loans, debts and consumer spending. They didn’t talk about such an important fact that housing on credit dominates in Western civilization, and not private at all. Therefore, some foreigners make round eyes when they find out that their housekeeper from Ukraine has her own private two-story, high-quality house somewhere on the edge of a forest in Western Ukraine, and they, as her employers, only rent even a good one-story house in a stuffy metropolis. and pay a bunch of taxes, fees, compulsory insurance premiums and save on electricity. And when I see the liberal bill on the reform of the housing and utilities sector of Ukraine, which has been postponed to the regiment, it is stated that for large debts and non-payment it is proposed to take the same housing in court, and even in the absence of the defendant in court, I understand that everyone will be bored and howl! Imagine for a moment that you live in a private house that your father or grandfather built with his callous hands for money and during the years of occupation by the Red Soviets. And here you come to the judicial executors of the liberal era, and not just cut off communication, as before, but evicted !! A smart one will think that it would be better to stoke a hut with a stove and to be “Square”, but the path will ask the Greeks, who in a crisis began to heat their houses with firewood and coal, as Euroecologists appeared right on the threshold of their house. Yes, the same Euro-people who are in the service of the European Union and the very legal standards that regulate your behavior in relation to nature, and not the sovereignty of the country. As you can see, this is not even legal regulation of barbecue behind the fence or compulsory paid fishing courses, this is the right to take away your life if you do not fit into the rut of prescribed legal standards due to market circumstances! The fact that private property may be withdrawn is no longer in the West. newsThe most recent example is Cyprus. But they will not tell you about such things at school and student couples, but will release even more Euroormantics and people in rose-colored glasses on the streets, who will then storm the state authorities with the EU flag on their shoulders or make a student revolution on granite in the name of rights and freedoms as martyrs.

Why in our school textbooks write insanity that 11 September 2001, illiterate Taliban (al-Qaeda allies), while in the caves of medieval Afghanistan, planned and carried out an attack on such a powerful post-industrial, informational and military superpower like the United States ?! Why do our textbooks and the media create such a picture that it seems as if the pirates of Somalia are drawing the sand on the sand to capture the next merchant ship in the strait, but leave behind the scenes satellite calls to Western capitals, where they guarantee the absence of an escort convoy from their competitors ?! Until we speak officially, openly and directly, at least in the classroom stories and the rights that operations against Iraq and Libya were open economic interventions for the purpose of seizing and controlling resources, we will see more and more maydanschikov on their streets. Why are we so honest with ourselves about the causes of military conflicts in the early twentieth century, and so politically correct now? After all, nothing has changed! We live, in fact, in captivity of textbooks and news!


A policeman in the state of Ohio checks the homes of those Americans who could not repay a loan for housing during the mortgage crisis of 2008. Suddenly did not leave the house by the court?


And in the evening, when I switch Ukrainian TV channels, I am just sick of the news, where journalists, protesters and “experts”, sitting in the studio, play along with each other, exchange smart remarks about the emergence of civil identity, about the soonest desire to integrate into the European community . The same spells as in 2004 year: “We are now witnessing the emergence of a civil society in Ukraine and will soon join our large European family!” So ​​I want to ask them, they say, is it true that France, which sent its soldiers to Africa, in order not to lose economic influence in Mali and at the same time support its economy, and at the same time it is even ready to shed the blood of its sons on the land of eternal malaria, then easily let Ukrainian goods into its economy? Is it possible that the whole Western world, with its corporations and standards prescribed for its producers, is not waiting for Ukraine to honestly compete with it in the framework of a free market economy?

In short, comrades, you need to “seize” schools and institutions, then we will be able to return ourselves and the Great Homeland. And how to do it without a single shot and within the law, we read here. I'm tired of fighting in forums and websites, liberal zombies grow like mushrooms after a liberal rain in the universities of our countries.
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  1. makarov
    +2
    26 December 2013 08: 29
    For the author's title of the material "Millions of people in Ukraine believe in the fairy tale" State of Law "", I can put forward the opposite slogan, no less reasonable: - Millions of people in Ukraine do not believe in the tale "The rule of law"
    Only the authorities of the gang called Yanukovych and K * don't give a damn about it. Since LAW in Ukraine is possessed only by the oligarchy, those who are close to them, and the assorted officials of the nouveau riche.
    The photo posted by the author is not convincing at all for me, under such a photo you can write anything, for example, "a policeman is chasing a robber in a slum", "a police check-out to a drug den", "the police are looking for a kidnapped person", etc.
    1. +18
      26 December 2013 09: 19
      A fairy tale is not a fairy tale, but only the Ukrainians themselves can create a "rule of law" and neither the EU, nor the CU, nor the United States and no one else will help them in this. They themselves want - they will. Therefore, the argument that if we sign the association, then there will be less corruption, the courts will work and the police will work exclusively under the convention on human rights is deliberately false and utopian ...
      1. +1
        26 December 2013 11: 07
        Democracy, Western World, Prosperous Europe are fairy tales, but the Rule of Law is not a fairy tale because it was under Stalin! The article is a fat minus for manipulation, for distorting the value of the rule of law under the pretext of its attitude to the negative phenomenon of "Euromaidan".
        1. +12
          26 December 2013 12: 03
          Quote: Kohl
          Democracy, the Western World, Prosperous Europe are fairy tales, but the rule of law is not a fairy tale because under Stalin it was!

          The truth is now called the Soviet occupation.
        2. +8
          26 December 2013 13: 37
          Quote: Kohl
          Democracy, Western World, Prosperous Europe are fairy tales, but the Rule of Law is not a fairy tale because it was under Stalin! The article is a fat minus for manipulation, for distorting the value of the rule of law under the pretext of its attitude to the negative phenomenon of "Euromaidan".


          Where did you see the manipulation? what This article is not about the Stalinist times and the Soviet civil society, but a liberal law and order. Do not look for a black cat in a black one .....
          1. +4
            26 December 2013 23: 03
            Hello Stanislav!

            Thank you for the article. drinks.

            She is good and accurately noticed the essence of psycho-manipulative tricks and dirty tricks both from the side of the Euro-Maidan (their organizers by itself) and from the Kiev authorities.

            Do not be offended by criticism, react to its content and not to the petty subton, the desire to just prick or show off.

            Whatever it was, the truth is still born in a dispute (but not in swearing form and scuffle, of course).

            I wish you new good articles! good
            They are very necessary, and not only in Russia (here on the VO website), but even more so in our native Ukraine.

            There in Ukraine, indeed, many people and not only students, but also adults, FULLY RINSED THE BRAINS.

            Ukrainians are now easily suggestible and manageable, and when they are still offered several hundred hryvnias for a day of shouting and jumping (dancing) on ​​the Maidan, then indeed "Lord, Save Ukraine" from the crafty American and Western ambassadors, advisers and military instructors ...

            Since the direct FOREIGN interference of the West in the events in Ukraine is obvious and there will be more than once NEW attempts to kindle a civil war. Despite the fact that now the "December Kiev Coup of 2013" has not come out, but the dollars have already been rallied and still thrown. am

            Moreover, buses, field kitchens, food, alcohol and other equipment and support for EuroMaidan were bought with money from Ukrainian OLIGARCHS ...

            Yes, I will say frankly that I personally wish that now is not the 37th and 38th years.

            And do not get me, that I am a supporter of Yanukovych!
            For me, he, like all previous presidents in Kiev and Yulka-the thief, are all CRIMINALS and CHANGEBOARDS.
            Just "throwing off" Yanukovych because of the delay in signing the Euro-Association is stupidity and obedience to directors from the American Embassy for me.

            In my opinion, if you organize Maidan, just to arrest the current and previous Kiev presidents and my native Ukraine TALK to Russia and Belarus in the CU.
            Yes, Old Man Lukashenko is not enough for us in Kiev !!! But his own has not yet appeared ...

            Well, in the future, and be friends and talk with the West, Ukraine can and will, but only on conditions FAVORABLE to it, for the benefit of ordinary Ukrainians and not ALIGARCH m corrupt political elite.
          2. -1
            26 December 2013 23: 22
            The "State of Law" is one of the whales on which the state itself stands. Without the rule of law, the existence of a strong state is impossible in principle. This is necessary so that millions of Ukrainians believe in a legal state, but at the same time they know about the illusion of the rule of law in the West, and especially in relation to the Ukrainians themselves (which, in general, was the main idea of ​​the article). If you want, minus you not for the ideology, but for the technical execution of the article. Observe the clarity of expression, without the possibility of ambiguous interpretation. The title should not only attract attention, but also give a clear hint of what will be discussed. There is an audience that runs through the titles and chooses what to read. Imagine what you can think of relying only on the title of this article. Someone would have concluded that the legal chaos of Yanukovych's gang is normal. Remember, the reader first of all understands what he wants to understand, and the audience on this site understands you "correctly". But if you poked into the lair of the liberals with this article, the interpretation there would not be what you intended. In general, nothing personal, take constructive criticism. I look forward to your next work. drinks
            PS: I know the mood of people in eastern Ukraine first-hand, and so those who agreed to the association thought so because of hopeless fatigue from legal lawlessness.
    2. +13
      26 December 2013 10: 14

      The photo posted by the author is not convincing at all for me, under such a photo you can write anything, for example, "a policeman is chasing a robber in a slum", "a police check-out to a drug den", "the police are looking for a kidnapped person", etc.


      Please come here if you do not believe the common Russian, but as always the liberals:

      http://copypast.ru/2010/09/13/chjornobelyjj_jentoni_svo.html

      http://vu.ua/news/525.html

      Photo: Anthony Suau, USA, for Time from Expert site. In the picture taken by Anthony Svo in March 2009. In Ohio, police officer Robert Cole makes sure that tenants who were evicted from home because of non-compliance with the conditions of the mortgage, left the building. This shot was voted the best work of the year in the World Press Photo 2009 competition. According to the competition jury, this is the best illustration of the US mortgage and financial crisis.
      1. rolik
        +1
        26 December 2013 18: 42
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Please come here if you do not believe the common Russian, but as always the liberals:

        No ... You didn't convince him again. It would be much more convincing if the policeman ... whatever it was, brought in his hard-earned money and bought out the property of the evicted family, and before his arrival he checked the premises for the presence of creditors hiding there)))))
      2. +2
        26 December 2013 20: 45
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        As we and our children learn and live in the “pink” world, the creative class will dominate

        The "creative" class will dominate for one reason)). They (kreakly) are looking for those who will pay, and they have those who are ready to put paper cut into political technology))
        The Yanyka brigade prefers ... to freeze the allocated money and not to hire creakles, but to get by with the administrative resource)). Not realizing that this is a war. Though informational. That loses. Till)).
    3. +3
      26 December 2013 10: 50
      Makarov, and it didn’t occur to you that Valya Yanukovych, you are blaming Ukraine itself. After all, he is the legally elected president, elected by the majority of the people of Ukraine and the people of Ukraine entrusted him with the right to conduct state affairs on his own behalf, conclude agreements and sign the necessary papers. If Ukraine claims to be a state of law, it is logical to wait for the next election and choose just another president, you have plenty of candidates. Or is it like this for you, now we’ll illegally dump the president, but then we’ll be white and fluffy? This does not happen.
      1. +10
        26 December 2013 11: 47
        The people of Ukraine entrusted Yanukovych with a presidential post for rapprochement with Russia. And Yanukovych does not justify this trust. He would have signed the association with both hands if Europe had allowed him to stay at the helm with the loot. He was told as for Julia, then it dawned on him, he ran to Putin. And before this could not be done, in a normal way, without delay, without provoking the people on the Euromaidan ??
        1. +1
          26 December 2013 15: 03
          Quote: Kohl
          The people of Ukraine entrusted Yanukovych with a presidential post for rapprochement with Russia. And Yanukovych does not justify this trust. He would have signed the association with both hands if Europe had allowed him to stay at the helm with the loot. He was told as for Julia, then it dawned on him, he ran to Putin. And before this could not be done, in a normal way, without delay, without provoking the people on the Euromaidan ??

          But in principle, in Russia and Little Russia no one canceled palace coups. After all, after them came the age of "Golden Catherine", so in my opinion Talkov sang.
        2. rolik
          +2
          26 December 2013 18: 43
          Quote: Kohl
          . He would have signed the association with both hands if Europe had allowed him to stay at the helm with the loot.

          And this is the point.
        3. +1
          26 December 2013 20: 51
          Quote: Kohl
          The people of Ukraine entrusted Yanukovych with a presidential post for rapprochement with Russia.

          Quote: Kohl
          it was impossible to do this, in a normal way, without delay, without provoking people on euromaidan ??

          And what is it, the people flooded on the Euromaidan, and not on the Russian march?
        4. 0
          27 December 2013 13: 22
          Quote: Kohl
          The people of Ukraine entrusted Yanukovych with the presidency

          But you don't need to talk about the people ... Otherwise, you will have to talk about "fair elections" and carry other blizzards.
      2. S_mirnov
        +7
        26 December 2013 11: 55
        Quote: ovgorskiy
        Makarov, and it didn’t occur to you that Valya Yanukovych, you are blaming Ukraine itself. After all, he is the legally elected president, elected by the majority of the people of Ukraine and the people of Ukraine entrusted him with the right to conduct state affairs on his own behalf, conclude agreements and sign the necessary papers.

        And it never occurred to you that the president, after he received this trust of the people, should be responsible to the people for his actions! Otherwise, the Russian Federation has already "entrusted" Yeltsin to make decisions, and Putin, when he was brought to power, by the first decree guaranteed the immunity of the president (and his entourage) even after leaving office - for life. Here is a paradox, the people have entrusted them, and the president is not under the jurisdiction of the people!
        1. +1
          26 December 2013 13: 10
          This is what distinguishes a normal state from anarchy. If a nationwide referendum is held on every issue adopted by the president, then it will turn out not to be a state, but a squabble. Yes, with Yeltsin we made a mistake, but it was OUR mistake and we are to pay for it. If every president is to be overthrown because some "S_mirnov" didn't like him, then you won't have any presidents (just kidding).
          1. S_mirnov
            +5
            26 December 2013 13: 44
            Quote: ovgorskiy
            If, for every issue adopted by the president, a nationwide referendum is held, then it will turn out not a state, but a misfortune.

            Then we probably would not have entered the WTO and Norway would not have given a piece of the sea! stop And Serdyukov would have long been on the bunk with Chubais. Yes and no need to hold a referendum every time, just once!
            http://igpr.ru/aim
            But this referendum is a direct expression of the will of citizens! - the authorities are afraid like fire, because they know at whose expense they are being fattened. They steal and are afraid!
            1. -3
              26 December 2013 20: 54
              Quote: S_mirnov
              We probably wouldn’t join the WTO

              Suppose, the entry into the WTO is the only chance available in real life for technological re-equipment)).
          2. GastaClaus69
            +5
            26 December 2013 14: 04
            Quote: ovgorskiy
            If, for each issue adopted by the president, a nationwide referendum is held, it will turn out not a state, but

            and get Switzerland.
        2. rolik
          +2
          26 December 2013 18: 45
          Quote: S_mirnov
          and Putin, when he was brought to power, by the first decree guaranteed the inviolability of the president (and his entourage) even after leaving office - for life.

          It was his fee for entering power.
          And in the 96th, Zyuganov merged his supporters for seats in the government. How do you like this picture ???
          Although make a tiny effort and could be president. And why he needs it, it’s responsibility, it’s the same thing that needs to be raised the country. Much more convenient from the side of the Gundos, which is all the khan. And it’s kind of like an opposition, kind of like a working people.
          And how to squeeze the kindergarten for the children under their headquarters - that's fine, at the party level.
          1. S_mirnov
            0
            26 December 2013 19: 38
            Quote: rolik
            It was his fee for entering power.

            Well, even you don’t believe in his election, that is, in legitimacy wink
            Quote: rolik
            And in the 96th, Zyuganov merged his supporters for seats in the government. How do you like this picture ???

            the smallest, if my will Zyuganov, together with Putin, Zhirinovsky, the State Duma in full force, the oligarchs in full force, the swamp organizing committee - in full force + Kurginyan + Cabinet - would go to restore the ruined
            Soviet north!
            How do you like this picture ???
            1. +1
              26 December 2013 20: 58
              Quote: S_mirnov
              if my will Zyuganov, together with Putin, Zhirinovsky, the State Duma in full force, the oligarchs in full force, the swamp organizing committee - in full force + Kurginyan + Cabinet - would go to restore the ruined
              Soviet north!

              Aby var! And who is at the head of the convoy? Really ... Khodorkovsky? Or ... Bulk?)).
            2. +2
              26 December 2013 23: 23
              S_mirnov (4) SU Today, 19:38 PM ↑
              Quote: rolik
              It was his fee for entering power.
              Well, even you don’t believe in his election, that is, in legitimacy wink
              Quote: rolik
              And in the 96th, Zyuganov merged his supporters for seats in the government. How do you like this picture ???

              the least frozen be my will Zyuganov, together with Putin, Zhirinovsky, the State Duma in full force, the oligarchs in full force, the swamp organizing committee - in full force + Kurginyan + Cabinet - would go to restore the ruined
              Soviet north!
              How do you like this picture ???


              Hello, Alexander!

              This is your vision of justice and PATRIOTICITY to my liking! drinks I fully support you!

              Moreover, it is a fact that in recent years Putin, as the president of the Russian Federation in foreign policy, speaks and acts for the Russian Federation and the CU and has SUCCESS. For this, he is a plus. good
              But in domestic politics, VVP is just a powdered "diving-childish clown" who is held by the oligarchs and friends in the Ozero cooperative.
              Every year he repeats ALL HIS OWN ORDERS, which, as always, HIS bureaucrats and HIS government just DIDN'T FULFILL!

              And the punishment and the term with confiscation are not possible for any traitor to the Homeland and the Pest, since you understand not the 37th year outside. People (thieves and pests) have wives, mistresses, children and tearful relatives ...

              And for the unfortunate people who lost their shelter and housing in Krasnodar and the Far East, denties and help are collected by SIMPLE CITIZENS of Russia, BUT not the state budget and ALTGARCHI and PRIVATE CONCERNS and JSC ...

              So do not be offended by the cheers-patriots for their open criticism of GDP within Russia, but in my opinion cheers-patriotism and cap-and-hat is worse than direct and open criticism of the Kremlin.

              And about the lack of critics of GDP in our country, proposals to improve living conditions for ordinary citizens, it’s not worth talking to the patriots!

              In my humble opinion, it’s rather cordial to summon Lukashenko to the Kremlin for the rule of the father, and the Russian billions stolen from Russia will quickly return to the State Budget.

              And all the officials will remember at once that the GOS-salary is paid to them for SERVICE TO THE STATE OFFICE and not theft and nepotism. And the army will teach children and weapons, and technical maintenance.
              Moreover, under Lukashenko, RUSSIAN WEAPONS will be procured and the western one will only serve as an aid to create YOUR PROTOTYPES.
              1. rolik
                +1
                27 December 2013 09: 43
                Quote: michajlo
                But in domestic politics, GDP

                Absolutely agree. Domestic policy is in full out. Domestic policy, a complete failure of GDP. While he is holding on to this Cabinet, these old frames that are constantly in the same deck and are periodically pulled out of it. There will be nothing good. Not able to make a breakthrough, not capable. When the GDP will be able to break this chain and put really literate people who are rooting for the country. Then honor and glory to him. So far, according to domestic policy, unlike foreign, it has only disadvantages.
            3. rolik
              +1
              27 December 2013 09: 38
              Quote: S_mirnov
              How do you like this picture ???

              I would exclude GDP from this code. Because, at the moment, there is no person in the country capable of leading the government. If you appear, the first will vote for him. Nemtsov, and not like him to offer.
              If you mean Ivashov’s presidency, you won’t.
              At the moment, we don’t have a person who can lead the country. Let's hope not yet.
              And who would you like to see at the head of state.
      3. makarov
        +5
        26 December 2013 12: 55
        "..Because he is the legally elected president, elected by the majority of the people of Ukraine and the people of Ukraine entrusted him with the right to conduct state affairs on his own behalf, conclude treaties and sign the necessary papers ..."

        SW Oleg. Thoughts come to me different, and that’s why my head wouldn’t just open my mouth.
        And the people, in the majority, did not vote for Yanukovych urka., PEOPLE voted against Yushchenko. It is not the same. And at the expense of the confidence of the People, then Yanukovych with the OPG PR deeply shit on him, because what he was trusted with, he deeply perverted into his own enrichment, and the enrichment of his falsifiers in the organized crime group.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          +5
          26 December 2013 15: 42
          Paul! You're right. We all the time vote not "FOR", but "AGAINST". Considering that 43,7% of those allowed to vote came to the presidential elections. A little more than half voted for Yanukovych (taking into account the machinations, kivalovo-kidalovo), then it turns out less than a quarter. It's just that the organized criminal group of that region seized Ukraine and imposed existence "in terms of" the population. The lawlessness of the entire vertical of power and legalized bandit formations to protect this power from its own people. On the 30th, the Maidan rose up against the bandits of the government "Gang Get" and the authorities confirmed that they were a gang by their actions. The people showed that they would not be silent, the fear had passed. They will be able to sew up themselves and throw off the bandits of power. But ... again "three in one" oppositionists jumped out, trying to prove that it is possible to combine the incompatible and ... traditionally they ruined everything. (It was not for nothing that Yatsenyuk and Tyagnibok were running to Bankova Street for the entire cadence.) Maidan played its main role. He showed that the whole people can go out to a decisive battle with the bandits of the authorities and their sponsors. There is a leader. Non-partisan leader of the civil movement, uniting everyone.
        2. +4
          26 December 2013 15: 51
          Quote: makarov
          "..Because he is the legally elected president, elected by the majority of the people of Ukraine and the people of Ukraine entrusted him with the right to conduct state affairs on his own behalf, conclude treaties and sign the necessary papers ..."

          SW Oleg. Thoughts come to me different, and that’s why my head wouldn’t just open my mouth.
          And the people, in the majority, did not vote for Yanukovych urka., PEOPLE voted against Yushchenko. It is not the same. And at the expense of the confidence of the People, then Yanukovych with the OPG PR deeply shit on him, because what he was trusted with, he deeply perverted into his own enrichment, and the enrichment of his falsifiers in the organized crime group.

          Makarov is right. I voted for this Yanukovych precisely from the position that he voiced.
      4. Vovka levka
        +2
        26 December 2013 13: 26
        Quote: ovgorskiy
        Makarov, and it didn’t occur to you that Valya Yanukovych, you are blaming Ukraine itself. After all, he is the legally elected president, elected by the majority of the people of Ukraine and the people of Ukraine entrusted him with the right to conduct state affairs on his own behalf, conclude agreements and sign the necessary papers. If Ukraine claims to be a state of law, it is logical to wait for the next election and choose just another president, you have plenty of candidates. Or is it like this for you, now we’ll illegally dump the president, but then we’ll be white and fluffy? This does not happen.

        What are the choices? What Yanukovych is doing now makes it impossible to hold the elections themselves, but only their imitation. That’s the trouble.
      5. +5
        26 December 2013 14: 29
        Quote: ovgorskiy
        the people of Ukraine entrusted him with the right to conduct state affairs on his own behalf, conclude agreements and sign the necessary papers

        The West only recognizes the president of Ukraine, who will sign an association agreement with the EU.
      6. +1
        26 December 2013 17: 55
        there are faster ways to legally change president
      7. 0
        26 December 2013 17: 55
        there are faster ways to legally change president
        1. +1
          26 December 2013 18: 57
          Quote: yehat
          there are faster ways to legally change president

          well, well, interested in knowing?
          1. Captain Vrungel
            +1
            26 December 2013 23: 26
            Who can remove the president from office? Sniper.
            1. GastaClaus69
              0
              27 December 2013 00: 24
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              Who can remove the president from office? Sniper.

              Given how many people provide a quiet sleep, the guarantor will have to shoot the sniper from orbit.
      8. +3
        26 December 2013 20: 35
        Quote: ovgorskiy
        After all, he is the legally elected president, elected by the majority of the people of Ukraine and the people of Ukraine entrusted him with the right to conduct state affairs on his behalf

        Remember the cartoon about dogs - musketeers: "- The best of the best lick their wounds ...
        "Then send the best of the worst!"
        There was no choice as such. The outspoken Bandera supporters Yulia kosataya and Vitya Mukhryavy are against the "pro-Russian" authority of Yanyk. That's all. The illusion of choice, without the line "against all." So, about the "majority" is a controversial issue. Maybe (maybe be!) Symonenko could have changed the situation, but he did not get into the second round. There Yulia is against Yanyk. And the people in their mass are infantile creatures. They want to live like in the USSR, but under capitalism. "So that from now on in a new way
        everything remained as before! "
        It’s not the candidates that need to be changed, but the system that exists in Ukraine. But with such people it’s just straining. Not all Tyagnibykov, Yatsikov, etc., on the rampart, but nothing can be seen on normal PEOPLE on the horizon.
    4. +8
      26 December 2013 12: 08
      -MILLIONS of people in Ukraine believe in the tale "The rule of law"
      The rule of law is the rule of laws, not people.
      In June last year, sociologists of the Democratic Initiatives Foundation and the Center. Razumkov conducted a survey. As part of the study, more than two thousand people were interviewed in all regions of Ukraine. The fact that the law is the same for everyone and everyone is equal before the law is convinced only by 3% of the polled Ukrainians - LESS than 2 million across the country!
      Money governs the law, and it is on the side of those who have it - 82% of respondents say.
      According to Ukrainian citizens, the power of power prevails over the power of law.
      A country where there is no concern for the elderly and the prospects of young people (For the young people is our place everywhere, / For the old people is our home!) Cannot be called a state.
      1. +3
        26 December 2013 13: 01
        Feeding
        Quote: knn54
        Fund "Democratic Initiatives" and the Center. Razumkov
        comes from the hands of the USA and Europe. Even what is actually there, they are turning in the direction they need.
      2. +2
        26 December 2013 15: 11
        Quote: knn54
        -MILLIONS of people in Ukraine believe in the tale "The rule of law"
        The rule of law is the rule of laws, not people.

        I don’t know how it is now in Ukraine, but in Russia, the police are representatives of the authorities. They are not representatives of the law, namely the authorities. And when the rule of the LAW is over the authorities, maybe then many problems will be solved. And it turns out that they are obliged to defend power, not the law. Therefore, both Taburetkin at large and Ryzhiy with the company and the majors can knock people down with cars and there will be nothing for them.
        1. GastaClaus69
          +6
          26 December 2013 15: 23
          The same thing, for 20 years the concept of police honor has been successfully passed!
          Debt is determined by the number of presidents drawn.
    5. +6
      26 December 2013 12: 14
      Quote: makarov
      For the author's title of the material "Millions of people in Ukraine believe in the fairy tale" State of Law ", I can put forward the opposite slogan, no less justified: - Millions of people in Ukraine do not believe in the fairy tale" State of Law "

      This is not mentioned in the article.
      But on the outskirts (choose which state yourself) there was not and will not be a NORMAL HEAD.
      This contributes to the habit of snatching Ukrainians until the power has changed.
      If you were going to choose a half-citizen of the outskirts of Yushchenko, and you were going to choose Klitschko, a citizen of Germany, then why not choose a citizen of Belarus Lukashenko, or Putin, as president.
      I think (I certainly feel sorry for them because of your mess) that they can handle it.
      Transnistria is already slowly moving under the laws of the Russian Federation.
      In general, in your organization, under the name of the state, the mess is complete.
      Banderaites demand socialism and communism in the Leninist interpretation of 1917 (to take money from the rich (oligarchs), to return ALL TO PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, etc., and, accordingly, to the authorities).
      The East requires Stalinist socialism since the late 50s.
      The rest require Lenin's NEP.
    6. mihasik
      +2
      26 December 2013 17: 07
      Until you strangle the eastern and western Berezovskys with your hands, you will not see the Rule of Law. Replacing Yanyk with "I remove the troika" from the Maidan will not give anything. It will only get worse. Neither Europe nor Russia will help if there is chaos in their heads! And if you really don't want to go to Europe, so don't go right now? Why freeze "rolls"?)
      The Ukrainian dream reminds me of the film of the same name "Shirley-Myrli". When they sold a huge diamond, the whole country flew off to rest in the "Bright Future", and the dirty "Rashka" would be removed and washed by others, but not us. So where is your diamond? Do you want to sell your land at a higher price, like Alaska? Where will you live then?
    7. rolik
      +3
      26 December 2013 18: 38
      Quote: makarov
      Since LAW in Ukraine is possessed only by the oligarchy, those who are close to them, and the assorted officials of the nouveau riche.

      Well, well, with the association in the European Union, all of a sudden, the next day, the people will rule))) This is nonsense cleaner than bullshit. Do you believe it yourself? You will still be governed by the same oligarchs, plus European officials will be added to local officials. It remains to wish good luck and not to yell later about the beautiful and distant past, to the Wells in the European present.
  2. +6
    26 December 2013 08: 37
    In Europe in general, the media are trying not to injure civilians !!!! The less they know - they sleep better!
    That is why it seems that in Europe it is so sweet and serene !!!
    1. +3
      26 December 2013 09: 54
      Quote: Keeper
      In Europe in general, the media are trying not to injure civilians !!!! The less they know - they sleep better!
      That is why it seems that in Europe it is so sweet and serene !!!

      You open and there:
      1. 0
        26 December 2013 20: 02
        Without the supremacy of laws, legal states do not exist. But in order to create it, it is necessary that everyone from the president to the janitor must abide by the law. However, there is little where this principle applies in the post-Soviet space. That’s why the situation is
  3. Ivan Petrovich
    -11
    26 December 2013 08: 41
    but what about sending troops to eastern Ukraine? and then all the snot chew, hesitated already.
    1. +7
      26 December 2013 11: 25
      Quote: Ivan Petrovich
      but what about sending troops to eastern Ukraine? and then all the snot chew, hesitated already.

      And the first thing Yanukovych and his gang removed. Instead of pressing the European integrators, Yanyk began to settle scores with people who are fighting against the corruption-oligarchic power. Euromaidan is losing support because the Ukrainian people hope that Putin will not let the local Ukrainian gang mess. And Yanyk again slips a pig under Russian-Ukrainian relations with his gangster tyranny. The people will look at it all and think about it: they went to rapprochement with Russia and the local gang began to commit atrocities, so where then is the truth? Putin needs to remove Yanukovych, definitely!
      1. +4
        26 December 2013 12: 09
        Quote: Kohl
        Instead of pressing the European integrators, Yanyk began to settle scores with people who are fighting against the corruption-oligarchic power.

        Give examples of surname, pliz, who we are fighting against corruption-oligarchic power. And it is not clear what forces you support.
        1. GastaClaus69
          +2
          26 December 2013 14: 17
          Rather, fight for a place in the corruption-oligarchic government.
        2. +1
          26 December 2013 20: 49
          Quote: Egoza
          Quote: Kohl
          Instead of pressing the European integrators, Yanyk began to settle scores with people who are fighting against the corruption-oligarchic power.

          Give examples of surname, pliz, who we are fighting against corruption-oligarchic power. And it is not clear what forces you support.

          Quarter 95 "struggling"
        3. +2
          26 December 2013 21: 39
          Just watch the films of Yuri Ozerov, and chhat on banderlogov
          Sincerely, Shatilov A.S.
    2. -1
      26 December 2013 12: 26
      It would be the best gift for Klitschko and his gang ..
    3. makarov
      +10
      26 December 2013 12: 59
      Ivan Petrovich
      "but what about sending troops into eastern Ukraine? otherwise everyone is chewing snot, they have already hesitated.,

      Sorry. Are you from a hangover (?), Or were you born that way ???
    4. 0
      26 December 2013 21: 34
      I’m only for !!! And let it drown in vomit, not only in eastern Ukraine, but on the territory of Russia, temporarily accused by Ukrraina
  4. +3
    26 December 2013 09: 04
    And how does Ukraine want to "integrate" into the "civilized world community", from the front or from the back? Although the "world community" will most likely not ask, and it does not ask "how Ukraine wants to integrate", they will "integrate" themselves, how want to.
  5. +6
    26 December 2013 09: 27
    And an interesting article. Dozens, centurions, thousands of thousands, the headquarters - the whole organization created to overthrow the existing legitimate authority. And who finances the participants? And what article is attracted to the Criminal Code? Why not apply?
    1. +1
      26 December 2013 21: 11
      Quote: Semenov
      And what article is attracted to the Criminal Code?

      Pulls for many)). But these are elective network-centric technologies. There, even counterintelligence can not always interfere)). Another thing is that such a technology is not unique and may well be used against the enemy)).
  6. +1
    26 December 2013 09: 38
    The state should have all communication in control
  7. +8
    26 December 2013 10: 06
    And what do you want? there is a total brainwashing of the population of the countries, 80-90gg 20th century the entire eastern bloc rushed into the arms of the west, they wanted to live beautifully in the west, it took a little time to realize that they had deceived themselves, now we are nostalgic about the old days of the great power.
    And at the present time, the pressure from the West will only grow, all sorts of minorities like "lgtb" and everyone else will tell us that we do not live right, that we are barbarians, and the rest of the progressive Western world has been hammering in the ass for a long time, it will take 5-10 15-20 years, and the same laws on the rights of minorities will begin to appear in our country, but this will only happen with our tacit consent, I hope that our society will already be united and figure out what's what, and will not allow such nonsense as is happening in Europe now.
  8. +7
    26 December 2013 10: 18
    People who either do not have the slightest idea of ​​the right (jurisprudence), or those who want to have something to do with it, often and verbose talk about creating a rule of law state as a certain ultimate goal. By the way, juvenile justice is also an attribute of the rule of law.
    Excessive standardization of various kinds of rights inevitably leads to legal lawlessness (the occurrence of excessive duties) in relation to the majority. An attempt to divide the rights of everyone and everything, from which the West is already crying: the rights of gays and lesbians, the rights of migrants, etc., is what restricts the freedom to exercise their rights to the indigenous majority.
    The creation of an absolute rule of law is not possible, it is something that you can strive for, but by no means by any means and it is very scary when this aspiration is declared as an end in itself and is repeated as a mantra at all levels.
    The rule of law is a deception to justify the creation of countless regulating bureaucratic structures, when there are a dozen parasites with very large spoons per plowman.
    I don’t want the law, decree, decree to go into my life declaring my every sneeze and regulating any movement. Good should be in moderation too.
    1. 0
      27 December 2013 00: 36
      Hello Vlas!

      I agree with your comment that DON'T NEED MANY LAWS! drinks

      It’s enough and several, but with one SIMPLE condition that ALL of these laws are complied with and are mandatory not only for the watchman Aunt Dusi, mechanics, Uncle Vasya, but also for every new-minded girl and BEFORE EVERYTHING for the authorities themselves!

      А until you shoot or give 25 years with confiscation to the president, prime minister, ministers and governors, then NOTHING will change.

      How naive citizens want the ALIGARCHES to respect the law, if they themselves designate and PAY for this AUTHORITY ?!

      Please answer cheers and patriots non-rocking state boat?


      Maybe we all together (jingoistic patriots and just soberly thinking and believing in DEALS and not promises and decrees, citizens) will find common points and ways forward!

      Because time is running out, all of us, individually, in apartments, republics (independent countries), are specially TURNED towards each other, so that GOD DON'T GOD DON'T UNITE FOR THE COUNTRY, Native land, and NO LONGER listen to the orders "To the leg" from the corrupt and indifferent government. ..


      Moreover, for example, only one fact of increased "praise" and memories of the "times of a strong hand" / IVS in the Russian mass media for the last 2-3 years, I personally can assume that directors of power in Russia (and of course not GDP itself) prepare customized scenarios for "state of emergency", for example, after a terrorist act arranged by FSB agents at the end of the Olipiada or after the departure of a foreign riffraff from Russia ?!
  9. +9
    26 December 2013 10: 31
    ... Therefore, some foreigners make round eyes when they find out that their domestic maid from Ukraine has her own private two-story solid house somewhere on the edge of a forest in Western Ukraine, and they, as her employers, only rent a nice, but one-story house in a stuffy metropolis and pay a bunch of taxes, fees, compulsory insurance premiums and save on electricity. And when I see the liberal bill on reforming the housing and communal services of Ukraine, which says that for large debts and non-payment it is proposed to take the same housing in court, even if there is no defendant in court, I understand that everyone will get bored with Sovka and will conquer!

    Soviet ideology, as always, turned out to be 1000% right in these matters. After all, what happens: a person who has housing usually starts and think differently, he thinks about the future, he is calm because there is where to return, he has a family and children (well, if he doesn’t have a family, he still does children (just kidding)) i.e. he has the meaning of life. And a man who has no stake or yard, who is he? Yes, no one, and his name does not. Because there’s nowhere to go, there’s no need to start a family, there isn’t much sense in life. You can go even to the euromaidan, even to the martyrs, there is nothing to lose, no one is sorry. The authorities in any state should think about this. Your home is a good anchor.
    1. +1
      26 December 2013 14: 06
      It is regrettable that, our pug prime minister declares a different position.
  10. +7
    26 December 2013 11: 20
    Millions of people believe in a fairy tale ...
    I was always surprised that another time not only illiterate but also scientists believe, not only "small children, but also gray-haired people who have already seen all sorts of agitators, referendums, independence, Maidans and, most importantly, have seen the results of all this ...
    But when will this naive faith end?
    It looks like the hero from the movie "Beware of the car" said: NEVER! request crying
    1. vikov
      +4
      26 December 2013 11: 35
      Blessed is he who believes. When faith ends in our spaces, a civil war begins.
  11. +3
    26 December 2013 11: 48
    As they say, every nation is worthy of its rulers, the people then believe in good and a fairy tale, because they want to live humanly. in abundance, only for some reason the rulers are all Judas, like Yanukovych, there is not long and lose faith in everything.
  12. +1
    26 December 2013 11: 52
    Any state is legal ... the difference is who protects this right, how it is spelled out, and whether all rights are legalized and how they are respected.
  13. ed65b
    +3
    26 December 2013 12: 05
    Well, what do you want if yesterday, for example, a demagogue from Kyrgyzstan argued that Kyrgyzstan had gone very far from the Russian Federation in terms of the development of a "political - democratic" society in terms of influencing power and changing the regime that is not pleasing to enlightened democratic countries. And is it necessary for Kyrgyzstan to join the Customs Union with such a country?
  14. +1
    26 December 2013 12: 35
    The rights of citizens are the problems of the citizens themselves.
    The whole state cannot be legal. There may be a separate territory, which is the outskirts.
    There are courts, deloops, etc.
    For Ukrainians: EVEN IN CORRUPT, AUTHORITARY, ASIAN RUSSIA, WITH PURCHASED SHIPS, YOU CAN LEFT YOUR RIGHTS.
    It is not necessary to hope that the change of orientation by the inhabitants of the outskirts will lead to the enforcement of laws.
    Children's riddle.
    What is the difference between Russian hedgehog and Ukrainian?
    -------------------------------------------
    The Russian hedgehog is not completely curtailed - squeamish.
    Neither a cunning European fox nor a Russian bear can deploy a Ukrainian hedgehog from a ball.
  15. ed65b
    +6
    26 December 2013 13: 01
    From about the same series
    What is the difference between Santa Claus and Santa Claus?
    Santa Claus drinks Coca-Cola, and Santa Claus drinks it.
  16. +4
    26 December 2013 13: 45
    need to "capture" the school

    The history textbooks used by Ukrainian schoolchildren were published during the Yushchenko era. They were developed under the guidance of the Institute of Historical Memory - a grant-maker of the United States and Canada. Naturally, everything that concerns the USSR and Russia is either withdrawn or served in the right way. literature and geography. And in art schools it is forbidden to study the direction of "socialist realism." It was here that Yushchen carried out his main revolution, and after him textbooks were only reprinted.
    What can students want?
    But older people - at least a hint of sobriety. By the way, especially those who have worked in Europe.
  17. +2
    26 December 2013 14: 07
    Ukrainians refuse to recognize the legitimacy of new debts.
    http://politobzor.net/show-10222-ukraincy-otkazyvayutsya-priznavat-legitimnost-n

    ovyh-dolgov.html
    So this is called the rule of law?
    Just imagine.
    You hold out your hand with the help, help is taken, and after that you spit in your hand.
    This is the rule of law, this is democracy in Vukrainski.
  18. +2
    26 December 2013 14: 38
    Since jokes have gone, I’ll insert my own.
    - Tell me, do I have a RIGHT?
    -You have.
    - So I CAN?
    - No! YOU CAN NOT!
    laughing drinks
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  20. +4
    26 December 2013 15: 38
    A bit off topic but cool:
    hi
  21. 0
    26 December 2013 16: 31
    Quote: Vasya
    Banderaites demand socialism and communism in the Leninist interpretation of 1917 (to take money from the rich (oligarchs), to return ALL TO PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, etc., and, accordingly, to the authorities).
    The East requires Stalinist socialism since the late 50s.
    The rest require Lenin's NEP.

    Everything must be done in a historical chronological sequence - NEP-Socialism-Communism, then everyone will be happy, and not so that everything at once, then there will be a mess
  22. +2
    26 December 2013 17: 25
    The ancestor of all rights was Roman law - invented in ancient Rome by slave owners to protect against slaves.
    So what do millions of slaves believe there? laughing
  23. +3
    26 December 2013 21: 26
    Eurointegration in the country has replaced everything - intelligence, honor and conscience, people began to believe in something they were not even promised!
  24. +1
    26 December 2013 22: 53
    The tale is a lie, but a hint in it. Can anyone imagine that the head of the IMF will be pulled out of the plane and put in the monkey house on the complaint of the hotel maid?
    1. 0
      27 December 2013 23: 56
      Quote: Stinger
      The tale is a lie, but a hint in it. Can anyone imagine that the head of the IMF will be pulled out of the plane and put in the monkey house on the complaint of the hotel maid?

      Strauss-Kahn had every chance of becoming head of the IMF, but he was not an American henchman. And then everything is even easier - business and nothing but business!
      Watergate cost Nixon an armchair, and now the United States is listening to all its allies, including heads of state and nothing !! In the United States, they will adjust the ideology to any actions, even under torture in Guantánamo, even under commercial espionage under the guise of fighting terror.
  25. Sax
    Sax
    0
    27 December 2013 02: 17
    Quote: Stinger
    The tale is a lie, but a hint in it. Can anyone imagine that the head of the IMF will be pulled out of the plane and put in the monkey house on the complaint of the hotel maid?

    And what happened to the predecessor of the current chapter? Do not remember?
  26. +1
    27 December 2013 05: 26
    First, a quote from the article:
    Why is it insanity in our school textbooks that on September 11, 2001, the illiterate Taliban (al-Qaeda allies), while in the caves of medieval Afghanistan, planned and carried out an attack on such a powerful post-industrial, informational and military superpower as the United States ?! Why do our textbooks and the media create such a picture that it is as if the Somali pirates use their AKs to paint on the sand a plan to capture the next merchant ship in the strait, but leave behind-the-scenes satellite calls to Western capitals, where they guarantee the absence of escort convoys from their competitors ?!
    Just outrage. However, he would read that they write in our, Russian history textbooks! That would be horrified no less, and maybe more. The working group of the Ministry of Education of the Russian Federation on the preparation of the concept of a new educational-methodical complex on Russian history developed the Historical and Cultural Standard and put it up for discussion on the Internet. So, this standard is a vile slander against the Russian people at the height of its highest power - in the Soviet era, especially in the so-called "Stalin" period. I must say that, in my opinion, some students from the history department or art historians, and not real historians, worked on the standard, because even in neutral matters the authors demonstrate not only ignorance of the subject, but also a lack of understanding of the elementary. Say, here is the period that included the First World War - the events that led to the death of the monarchy in Russia (the authors, however, know that Russia participated in this war). A list is given of persons whom the student should know, for example, in the list of military and state figures from the beginning of the 1917th century to 30, in addition to emperors, 28 names. Is on. Milyutin, Y.I. Rostovtsev, P.A. Valuev. (Well, what kind of student do these figures need, who were preparing documents for the Tsar for the Manifesto on the abolition of serfdom? After all, the tsar made the final decision!) But there was no Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian army. Prince Nikolai Nikolaevich! This one made his own decisions. Or here is the topic: “Death of V.I. Lenin and the struggle for power. " After her, a list of personalities of this period for XNUMX names. There is V.I. Mukhina, there is even a certain V.E. Tatlin. Do you know him? So do I. And here is L.D. Trotsky is not on this list. And who after Lenin fought for power? This is not slander or political interest there - it’s just a culture “below the plinth”. Clinic, one word.
  27. +2
    27 December 2013 05: 46
    It is very bad when millions of people believe in fairy tales about the rule of law under capitalism. There is none and never will be. The right is always on the side of the strong, and all the rest are "rams" who are insolently sheared. That's all "right". All the media are either silent or shyly reporting that the EU countries are simply swept by waves of mass popular protests. In Italy, protesters demand the resignation of the government and the dissolution of parliament. The reason is excessive government regulation of the economy and higher taxes. This comes against the backdrop of record unemployment rates - more than 12% of Italians cannot find a job. The nature of the demonstrations was not peaceful. In Rome, hundreds of students threw firecrackers at the university building where the ministers gathered for the conference.
    In Turin, demonstrators threw paint bombs and stones at law enforcement officers, which provoked the use of tear gas. Many protesters blocked roads, stopped railway traffic. Some activists set up tents on the bridge right on the border with France.
    They are also protesting in Spain. Tens of thousands of people in Barcelona protested against EU plans to liberalize energy and financial markets. Protesters threw garbage cans and threw stones. The police used rubber batons against them. But the protesters arrive. Come together citizens of other European countries.
    Anti-European sentiments are growing in Britain, Ireland, Greece, Portugal: Bulgaria, Finland and other countries. The reason is poverty, which affects almost a quarter of the European population - more than 124 million Europeans.
  28. +1
    27 December 2013 07: 30
    Thanks to Nevsky for the article. He raised interesting questions, as usual.
    It seems to me that everything is due to the fact that for some reason it is always fashionable to scold the authorities, and they will always ridicule the authorities. Therefore, the author is right when he says - it is necessary not so much to defend the government itself, but to be a conservative opposition. To all the reproaches of the liberals about "bespontovous Janek" or "bloody Pu", answer again and again "and your BARANOPAS (so to speak - sheep herds") the West pays for the collapse "" We have already seen your revolutions, you also want Libya or 1917th
    "and what are your liberal leaders communicating with the dera?" (it is true that Russian and Ukrainian liberals somehow suspiciously like gays.
    Going out to the streets is not to protect the Party of Regions / United Russia, but to exclusively pile on the gay liberoids-revolutionaries. Those. the slogan is not "I am for Putin (Yanukovych)," but "Stop tearing up the country" and "I am for a country without gays and liberals."
    When they tell me that I am for Putin, then I answer "No, I am against, I am for Stalin / Monarchy / purges of liberals, homosexuals, juveniles and sex-enlighteners", which Putin has not yet provided me.

    Only at first these most conservative, traditional values ​​need to be clearly laid out in their heads, which in principle has almost happened both in Russia and Ukraine.
  29. +1
    27 December 2013 08: 42
    Young Ukrainians apparently have little knowledge of the history of their state and again want to step on the rake of a revolution such as 1917. Young people are impatient and they want, as always, to get everything at once, but everything comes out through one place. You just need to participate in the political life of the state through elections, and not be a pawn in the hands of different oligarchs. The state should develop progressively without upheaval, adopt laws, and develop society itself. The way of life should be turned like a stone on the beach for a long time and painstakingly, and not roughly with a grinding wheel in one pass.
  30. jet blackbird
    +1
    27 December 2013 08: 56
    .... "Legal state" - can be built where it is in demand)) In Ukraine, millions of people not only believe in this, but also want to, proving their rights in the fight against the regime of bandits - corrupt officials. Maybe "this fight" will take a lot of time - but sooner or later, the regime will fizzle out and run away. Maybe the opposition, which now stands next to the people on the Maidan, will not justify the people's hopes, but then again "there will be Maidan")) and already against those who "did not justify the people's trust." Power should be sane and replaceable and nothing else. As long as there is no independent justice in Ukraine, true freedom of speech, protection of journalistic investigations, independent trade unions, complete reform of law enforcement agencies, simplification of tax legislation, fair and free elections - MAIDAN will exist in one form or another and demand changes. And the last thing: if the authorities apply real force against people defending their constitutional rights, there will be a war. These are the real moods in Ukraine ... Whether we are naive or not, time will tell.
    1. +2
      27 December 2013 10: 36
      Well, under Saakashvili, the police and traffic police were cleared, they claimed that they had eradicated bribery, it all became like in any European legal state, but in the end it turned out that people in prisons were severely tortured and the rest was back to square one.
      In Ukraine, the next president is elected with pomp, with hope for the future, and as a result, another Maidan. Because you oligarchs and the United States each slip their president who must serve their interests, not the people. You hope that with a wave of your hand the corrupt officials will disappear, the example of Bulgaria and Romania has not gone anywhere, and everywhere they are simply transformed into other forms into more cunning and "civilized" ones, and in Ukraine, in the old fashioned way, everything is squeezed out stupidly. Even the same Maidan is an attempt on the aspirations of the people to achieve their interests. The oligarchs have interests to earn even more, while the United States has interests in splitting the Slavic world and weakening it. You understand that if Russia is done badly through you, it will be bad and will affect Ukraine.

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