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Construction of the Eurasian Economic Union. Will there be new floors?

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Recently, a meeting of the EEEC, the Supreme Eurasian Economic Council, was held in Moscow. The meeting was attended by the leaders of three states - the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan and Belarus. The main task that Putin, Nazarbayev and Lukashenko set themselves before the start of the meeting was to prepare and approve documents providing a legal basis for the creation of the Eurasian Economic Union.


The signing of the so-called sectoral part of the treaty is scheduled for the middle of next year, and before that it is necessary to resolve technical issues of interaction between the three countries. According to the plans, the Eurasian Economic Union itself will begin its full-fledged work from January 1 2015. And in order for plans to become a reality, certain efforts are being made today. How effective are these efforts? If we take into account that Vladimir Putin proposes to intensify work, including through the ministries of the three countries, then, probably, the work on creating the field for solving the triune task will probably not go as many would have liked.

Construction of the Eurasian Economic Union. Will there be new floors?


Some impressive work on the contract by the three presidents was the reason for publications in the media sustained in the spirit: if they do not work too fast, it means that neither the President, nor Lukashenko, nor Nazarbayev needs the Eurasian Economic Union as such. They say that the mentioned political leaders are afraid to coexist under a single economic overhang, and even more so do not take the risk of taking the bull by the horns and starting full-fledged political integration.
Are leaders afraid or not? - Only the leaders themselves can answer this question, and then only to themselves. However, if the presidents of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia did not have any political will for Eurasian integration, then it would hardly have been any plans at all, and it is unlikely that after each of these meetings a number of important documents were adopted. By the way, in this regard, it would not be superfluous to present the statement of one of the presidents - the leader of Belarus, Alexander Lukashenko:

If we do not make the Eurasian Economic Union work within the timeframe we have defined — from January 1 to 2015 — this will be a shame for all of us.

In our opinion, the most important issue related to the further development of integration is the creation of a new association on the basis of the Customs Union, in which there are no exceptions and restrictions on trade in goods between the participating countries. After all, it was in the freedom of movement of goods that we stepped as far as possible. Full freedom of movement of goods should set an example for the realization of other freedoms in the areas of services, capital and labor, enshrined in the basic agreements of the Common Economic Space.


In this statement, the President of Belarus exposes the very cornerstone - the main problem that the presidents are trying to solve. The problem is in the presence of those “exceptions.” These exemptions prevent the full-fledged tripartite movement of goods and services, create problems for the cooperation of financial organizations in Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan.

During the meeting, Vladimir Putin also spoke on this issue:
It is required to complete the codification of the entire legal framework of the Customs Union and the SES, eliminate the remaining exemptions from the general trade and investment regime, and ensure the freedom of movement of goods, services, capital and labor resources.


The very problem of the presence of such barriers to Putin and Lukashenko was raised by Nursultan Nazarbayev, saying that while in the framework of the Customs Union the actual inequality persists, from which, he said, it is necessary to get rid of in the near future. The need to get rid of barriers, of course, is overdue, not only because the President of Kazakhstan mentioned this, but also because of objective economic reasons: the observed slowdown in the growth of mutual trade. There is growth, but it is not the one that was predicted by many experts to the current moment. The main reasons for the slowdown in the growth of mutual trade, according to a number of economic experts, was Russia's accession to the World Trade Organization, as well as the presence of the very barriers that remain unresolved in the space of the Customs Union.

In order to get rid of “exemptions”, the working groups have about six months, and then another six months to build at least the first floor of the building of the Eurasian Economic Union, letting in new settlers, and starting building new floors, if there are good reasons for this.

During the meeting, the WEC was raised and the theme of the expansion of the Customs Union. In recent years, it is clearly not rising for the first time, but only now have the contours of the vehicle become outlined by January 2015. It is planned that precisely at this point (the beginning of 2015), the Customs Union will grow Kyrgyzstan. In the coming months, the so-called roadmap for joining the CU of Armenia will be discussed. True, the exact date of the appearance of Armenia in the framework of the union has not yet been called. But Serzh Sargsyan’s position on this issue is well known. He is in favor of joining the CU in Armenia with the aim of taking part in the formation of the Eurasian Economic Union (that is, Armenia can move into the planned “second floor”). Similar plans are being discussed in the leadership of Kyrgyzstan.

But what about Ukraine? ”Many readers wonder. With Ukraine lately everything is much more complicated. The Ukrainian delegation was present at the meeting, but no one had discussed any clear plans. The delegation was led by Prime Minister Mykola Azarov. Moreover, the status of the Ukrainian delegation itself was chosen “for Ukraine” for such events about six months ago ,. Azarov represented his country at the EEEC meeting as an observer country of the Customs Union (we recall that initially the use of such status in the CU was not planned).

And as soon as it became known in Kiev that Azarov flew to the Russian capital, immediately the opposition media broke out with new materials that, he says, Yanukovych again gave the go-ahead "to sell Ukraine to Russia." For Ukrainian opposition publications, the publication of such materials has become commonplace, but this time they have clearly surpassed themselves. Even before the start of the meeting of the WEC in the Ukrainian press, articles about the fact that Azarov had already signed over fifty "secret" documents with representatives of the Customs Union began to walk. Literally, I barely had time to bring the papers to Azarov ... However, immediately after the meeting, many Ukrainian media had to take their back, stating that Azarov did not sign any agreements. Some strange position: well, if you yourself said that the documents are “secret”, then who will tell the media about their signing, if such, for example, really took place ...

If with Ukraine its participation or non-participation in the formation of the Customs Union and the Eurasian Economic Union is under a dense veil of fog, then, for example, with Kazakhstan, all the fundamental agreements of Russia signed in a completely open manner. One of such agreements is connected with the use of the Baikonur cosmodrome by the Russian side. The program is scheduled for the next three years. This, by the way, is the answer to some Russian and foreign media that were quick to give out materials that Russia at a meeting in Moscow would refuse to rent Baikonur.

Now, before 2016, it is planned to carry out joint financing not only of the cosmodrome itself, after whose name the launch site for the spacecraft received its name, which has become world-famous, but also the urban infrastructure based on new principles. What will these principles be - here, nevertheless, a certain fog appears ...
The head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Kazakhstan, Yerlan Idrisov, announced a number of joint Russian-Kazakh projects.

It is worth recalling that the period of the Russian lease of Baikonur was previously extended to 2050. Today, the Russian Federation spends about 5 billions of rubles annually from the budget to rent a site, as well as to maintain the complex. In addition to this amount, Russia transfers more than a billion rubles annually to the budget of the city of Baikonur. This locality has the status of both the city of republican significance of Kazakhstan, and the city of federal significance of the Russian Federation (without the status of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation) for the period of the lease). In 72, the thousandth city is roughly equally represented by Russian and Kazakhstani citizens (data from the source “Economics and Statistics of Kazakhstan” (edition 2011 of the year).

In addition to the agreements on "Baikonur" in Moscow, Putin and Nazarbayev signed agreements on military-technical cooperation and discussed the prospects for Russian oil in the PRC through the territory of Kazakhstan.
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  1. Orel
    Orel 26 December 2013 08: 35
    +17
    The main thing here is not to rush with the integration processes. Do not put the cart in front of the horse. Everything should go gradually and without sudden movements, so as not to cause undue tension. Russia needs to give more questions to Kazakhstan and Belarus and conduct an equal dialogue. This union should not be for Russia or around Russia, it should be equal and common for our peoples, only then it will be respected and treated not as a dictate of Russia, but as an equal partnership. You can even place the capital of a future organization not in Russia, but in Kazakhstan, for example. It is permissible to place a military management infrastructure (if any) in Belarus, and the economic center in Russia as the largest economy. Well it is, for example. But to concentrate everything in Russia will not be right, so we will scare away many people and we must be more careful with Central Asia. Maybe we do not need Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan in the CU, all the same, their GDP is insignificant, and the population is Islamized and the level of its development is very different from the countries included in the CU, as if we would not step on the European rake with Islamism ... Central Asia and so from us, in fact, is not going anywhere, except that to China, well, if China wants to feed them, then please. It’s even more profitable for us, they will try to go to work anyway, in China there are no extra jobs ...
    1. Canep
      Canep 26 December 2013 08: 42
      +7
      But what about Ukraine?
      But Ukraine has no choice! or TS or poverty, if in a year Yanukovych does not give birth to a decision, the gas price will be the same, and a debt of 15 lard will have to be paid back.
      Quote: Orel
      You can even place the capital of a future organization not in Russia, but in Kazakhstan, for example. It is permissible to place a military management infrastructure (if any) in Belarus, and the economic center in Russia as the largest economy. Well it is, for example.
      A sound idea with all hands for.
      Quote: Orel
      Maybe we do not need Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan in the CU, all the same, their GDP is insignificant, and the population is Islamized and its level of development is very different from the countries included in the CU
      They still need to ratify a bunch of documents, and begin to implement them. Here we do not need to be careful, but they try very hard.
      1. Orel
        Orel 26 December 2013 08: 46
        +10
        But Ukraine has no choice!


        You may be right, but they can go to the EU, of course, if they want. I think Putin doesn't really mind this for one reason - you can't be cute. If Ukraine is "dragged" into the CU, then it is fraught with Ukraine's withdrawal from the Union in the future when the government changes in Kiev, which could bring down the entire Union, as the USSR collapsed in due time (Ukraine refused to sign a new union treaty). Putin remembers this and will not take such a risk. Until Ukraine has an unambiguous and overwhelming majority for the vehicle, it is very dangerous to accept Ukraine. I think we need to invest in the promotion of the CU and change the attitude of most Ukrainians towards the CU for the better. Then you can think about integration. I think 15 billion was the first step towards this ...
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 26 December 2013 08: 48
          +4
          Maybe it's good that Ukraine DOESN'T sign anything YET. And then the noisy Ukrainian booth: "we join these documents, we do not sign these, but we wrap a herring in these" - buried the CIS. Let constructive leaders develop principles and laws for a common economic space. And Ukraine will already join in what is developed without taking into account its opinion. Or for Ukraine again everything will be like "yesterday".
          1. askort154
            askort154 26 December 2013 09: 47
            +4
            Nikolay S. ... Maybe it's good that Ukraine DOESN'T sign anything yet ...


            I also think so. The foundation of the union is the merging of the economy. What is the point now, a year before the elections in Ukraine, to draw it into the TS. Fully link it economically for
            one year will not work, and whether Yanukovych will win the election is a big doubt.
            So they gave 3 billion to keep it afloat for 1 year, and there it will be seen.
            Much will depend on activity, fulfillment of the signed (14!) Agreements,
            by both sides.
        2. Romn
          Romn 26 December 2013 08: 48
          +6
          First you need to figure out if these newest floors are needed?!? It would be nice to see Ukraine in the ranks, but then why !?
          The main thing is not to turn an interesting and promising project of the "Customs Union" into something that is not clear and it is not clear why ...
        3. Kolya
          Kolya 26 December 2013 11: 39
          +7
          If Russia finally finally begins to effectively eradicate corruption, then not only Ukraine but also more than 14 former republics will want to join. Then the Eurasian Union from the Atlantic to the Pacific will become a reality.
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      3. Orel
        Orel 26 December 2013 08: 50
        +1
        They still need to ratify a bunch of documents, and begin to implement them. Here we do not need to be careful, but they try very hard.


        I agree. But maybe they should not be taken at all. Here you need to think very seriously. All the same, the project is large, and I consider the risks associated with the reception of such countries to be huge, which is only worth removing the migration barriers ...
        1. predator.3
          predator.3 26 December 2013 15: 46
          +5
          ) The customs union will grow in Kyrgyzstan. In the coming months, the so-called road map for entering the CU of Armenia will be discussed.


          Maybe 4 countries (Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine) are enough for a start, but the rest of the countries resemble ballast, as in the proverb: "One with a bipod, seven with a spoon"!
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    3. ed65b
      ed65b 26 December 2013 09: 54
      +1
      Quote: Orel
      Russia needs to give more questions to Kazakhstan and Belarus and conduct an equal dialogue. This union should not be for Russia or around Russia, it should be equal and common for our peoples, only then it will be respected and treated not as a dictate of Russia, but as an equal partnership. You can even place the capital of a future organization not in Russia, but in Kazakhstan, for example. It is permissible to place a military management infrastructure (if any) in Belarus, and the economic center in Russia as the largest economy. Well it is, for example.

      Did you understand what you suggested? Especially about military administration, maybe it’s better to go to Tajikistan right away or to Brussels? Everything is placed in the strongest player. And this is no matter how you twist the Russian Federation.
      1. Orel
        Orel 26 December 2013 09: 56
        +2
        Did you understand what you suggested? Especially about military administration, maybe it’s better to go to Tajikistan right away or to Brussels? Everything is placed in the strongest player. And this is no matter how you twist the Russian Federation.


        So while we think like that, everyone will look at us as a country that tells everyone what to do and teaches everyone how to live. Is this our goal?
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 26 December 2013 21: 16
          +2
          Quote: Orel
          So while we think like that, everyone will look at us as a country that tells everyone what to do and teaches everyone how to live. Is this our goal?

          You are just an idealist.
          In nature there is not and never will be any equality.
          You will transfer one of the centers to another republic, and after a certain time it will decide to secede.
          What to carry again?
          And again in bold letters.
          There was not, and never will be equality.
          The road to Ad is lined with good intentions. (WITH)
      2. Orel
        Orel 26 December 2013 10: 00
        +1
        You still decide for yourself, are you creating a union? Or are you creating neo-colonialism in the person of Russia as a metropolis and its colonies? I think Putin has clearly said that Russia is not engaged in colonialism and is ready for an equal dialogue. We need allies, not colonies. And allies appear only when mutual interests are respected, and not on the principle - "I said, and you did it."
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 26 December 2013 10: 06
          +6
          Quote: Orel
          You still decide for yourself, are you creating a union? Or are you creating neo-colonialism in the person of Russia as a metropolis and its colonies? I think Putin has clearly said that Russia is not engaged in colonialism and is ready for an equal dialogue. We need allies, not colonies. And allies appear only when mutual interests are respected, and not on the principle - "I said, and you did it."

          The allies do not betray and do not twist their backs at the slightest difficulty, but how did they behave at 08.08.08? The purpose of these "allies" is the same - give money, cover them militarily. The allies are playing in one tune.
          1. Orel
            Orel 26 December 2013 10: 35
            +7
            The allies do not betray and do not twist their backs at the slightest difficulty, but how did they behave at 08.08.08? The purpose of these "allies" is the same - give money, cover them militarily. The allies are playing in one tune.


            The allies certainly do not betray, but you are mistaken on the main point. In addition to common interests, each country has its own. How would the recognition of the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia help Kazakhstan and Belarus? The answer is obvious - no way. And the complication of relations with other countries was possible. So what is the betrayal? These countries did not seem to speak out against our military action, but just for it. One tune is obviously not true. The colonies are playing with one tune, if you take the "NATO Komsomol", it becomes clear. Are you sure that the United States takes into account the Baltics and their interests, or Poland. Their relations are not allied, but a purely metropolis - a colony. Without the right to their own opinion. Do we really need this?
            1. ed65b
              ed65b 26 December 2013 11: 43
              +3
              Quote: Orel
              . Are you sure that the United States reckons with the Baltic states and their interests, or with Poland. Their relations are not allied, but purely a metropolis - a colony. Without the right to own opinion. Do we really need this?

              Of course, and only this, they said croaked, said they were silent, a very effective and real state.
              Quote: Orel
              How would recognition of the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia help Kazakhstan and Belarus? The answer is obvious - no way.

              Nobody demanded recognition, although I can give another example - Kosovo. What say Remember the chorus of votes in recognition?
              1. Orel
                Orel 26 December 2013 16: 31
                0
                Nobody demanded recognition, although I can give another example - Kosovo


                This is from the same opera as Abkhazia and South Ossetia ...
                1. ed65b
                  ed65b 26 December 2013 17: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: Orel
                  Nobody demanded recognition, although I can give another example - Kosovo


                  This is from the same opera as Abkhazia and South Ossetia ...

                  Only in the case of Kosovo, the US allies drew in one tune and quickly all together recognized Kosovo, and in the case of South Ossetia and Abkhazia - allies ay .... immediately their own interests appeared. And where is the guarantee that, in the event of a serious conflict, interests will not appear up to open betrayal ??? There is?? no.
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 26 December 2013 18: 06
                    +3
                    Quote: ed65b
                    Only in the case of Kosovo, the US allies drew in one tune and quickly all together recognized Kosovo, and in the case of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the allies

                    Still, there is a difference between Kosovo and Abkhazia
                    1. ed65b
                      ed65b 26 December 2013 21: 28
                      +1
                      Quote: Clegg
                      Quote: ed65b
                      Only in the case of Kosovo, the US allies drew in one tune and quickly all together recognized Kosovo, and in the case of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the allies

                      Still, there is a difference between Kosovo and Abkhazia

                      there is a difference in allies. The United States has them; Russia has no fleet and army.
      3. 31231
        31231 26 December 2013 10: 06
        +1
        Judging by your logic, Brussels is located in the USA.
      4. andrejwz
        andrejwz 26 December 2013 11: 17
        +1
        Quote: ed65b
        Did you understand what you suggested? Especially about military administration, maybe it’s better to go to Tajikistan right away or to Brussels? Everything is placed in the strongest player. And this is no matter how you twist the Russian Federation.

        I agree. Another thing is that the center of the allocation of the Union’s governing bodies should be another city, and not Moscow or St. Petersburg.
    4. Semurg
      Semurg 26 December 2013 11: 51
      +3
      Eagle. Your thoughts appeal to me and are close, but you are an idealist (freedom, equality, brotherhood), which means your point of view in the interstate. relationship will not work. And public opinion will not be on your side, it is enough to read the next thread about the mythical Muslim rally in Moscow and what Russian users want to do with it. By signing this agreement, the National Academy of Sciences followed the path of Khan Abulkhair saying "A" will have to say the whole alphabet to "I" if it has time. And I do not really understand the position of some Kazakh users who, for the sake of economic preferences, do not see. That there will be a squeeze of the independence of Kazakhstan. First, a general parliament and the supremacy of union laws, then a general president, and so on step by step. Our ancestors believed that they had signed a lucrative agreement with the Republic of Ingushetia, and their descendants were in the minority in Kazakhstan, having lost all kinds of independence. All this can be avoided if people with the views of "Eagle" are in power in Russia, but one must be realistic such people will not be at the head of Russia.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 26 December 2013 12: 11
        +5
        Quote: Semurg
        All this can be avoided if people with the views of "Eagle" are in power in Russia, but one must be realistic such people will not be at the head of Russia.

        Of course, they will never be because politics is the business of pragmatists and cynics and not idealists.
        1. Orel
          Orel 26 December 2013 16: 03
          +1
          Of course, they will never be because politics is the business of pragmatists and cynics and not idealists.


          No. Politics is a dirty business for elderly men and women ...
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 26 December 2013 17: 46
            0
            Quote: Orel
            Of course, they will never be because politics is the business of pragmatists and cynics and not idealists.


            No. Politics is a dirty business for elderly men and women ...

            Well, you tell Putin.
      2. avt
        avt 26 December 2013 13: 41
        +6
        Quote: Semurg
        What will be the wring of independence of Kazakhstan. First, the general parliament and the supremacy of union laws, then the general president, and so on step by step. Our ancestors also believed that they signed a profitable agreement with the Republic of Ingushetia, and their descendants were in the minority in Kazakhstan, having lost all types of independence.

        Calm down, nothing will happen beyond the vehicle. Your Elbasy said that only the economy. True, politics is a concentrated economy, but again there are no real steps and are not expected. They will never agree on a single emission center for a single currency, we have already passed this with Daddy. Without uniform and effective over national structures, no one will let you get close to the printing press, and Russian leaders don't need to share power, so calmly cut across the steppes on whatever you want and prepare chants about neo-colonialism for the Chinese. These are they, not Russian structures , are the main buyers - investors of your property, according to your own statistics. The same applies to the CSTO and joint air defense, you have to be a complete idiot to put the Russian army under someone else's command, but yours will not get up anyway, so all attempts to from a technical point of view, the creation of something workable under a single command is possible, but really, for political reasons, it is not feasible. Everything will remain so liquid, but solemn at meetings, jelly. We drove it in the "union state". True, with all the ambition of Old Man for loans, he is forced to merge in his "sovereignty", but this, with competent management of the raw material base, does not threaten you in the near future. You can still dream of mirages of a pan-Turkist world ", again, here we are, the Pan-Slavic" glitches were released and even the hangover does not torment us. We fully realized the existence of real problems.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 26 December 2013 21: 35
          +1
          ABT. calmed a little. if it's all hurdling in place, then ok let them run. And we will not survive a certain deterioration in life for the first time.
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      3. Zymran
        Zymran 26 December 2013 13: 49
        -2
        NAS signing this agreement went the way of Khan Abulkhair


        Abulkhair had two reasons: to break free with the subjects of the RI-Bashkirs, Kalmyks and Cossacks in order to secure a reliable rear for military operations against the Dzungaria.
        The second is to ensure the inheritance of power by their descendants. Our campaign is dominated by a second reason. Like NAS, Abulkhair did not ask anyone.

        Quote: Semurg
        And I do not really understand the position of some Kazakh users who for the sake of economic preferences do not see. What will be the wring of independence of Kazakhstan.


        Firstly, there are no economic preferences. Secondly, non-Kazakh users are in favor. Ethnic Russians make all the fuss with approval.
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 26 December 2013 14: 36
          +4
          Quote: Zymran
          Secondly, non-Kazakh users are in favor. Ethnic Russians make all the fuss with approval.

          And ethnic Kazakhs having fallen eyebrows spew out screams with spray towards Russia and the Russians, it turns out judging by your koment. And how, after your words, do we listen to sweet-voiced singing about the absence of Russophobia in the Republic of Kazakhstan? And where is your disintegrator? Forever banned?
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 26 December 2013 15: 07
            +3
            Quote: ed65b
            And where is your disintegrator? Forever banned?


            Marek or what? I do not know. Was he a disintegrator. In my opinion, there was no more consistent supporter of integration with Russia on the site. Again, Washington wanted to storm. laughing

            Quote: ed65b
            And how after your words we listen to sweet-voiced singing about the absence of Russophobia in the Republic of Kazakhstan


            There is Russophobia and nationalism. As an everywhere.
          2. Clegg
            Clegg 26 December 2013 17: 43
            +2
            Quote: ed65b
            And where is your disintegrator? Forever banned?

            Who are you talking about right now?
        2. ATATA
          ATATA 26 December 2013 21: 41
          0
          Quote: Zymran
          Firstly, there are no economic preferences. Secondly, non-Kazakh users are in favor. Ethnic Russians make all the fuss with approval.

          I write again.
          Today, Kazakhs would simply not be there, and there would be only Dzhungars, if not for the Russians!
          And thanks to Russia there are no jungars, but there are Kazakhs.
          And there will be no Kazakhstan in half a year if there is no Russia in the north.
          And the main reason why the National Academy of Sciences joined the TS is because it takes care of your peace and well-being, like you idiots, but you don’t have enough brains to understand it.
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 26 December 2013 21: 44
            -1
            Quote: ATATA
            I write again.
            Today, Kazakhs would simply not be there, and there would be only Dzhungars, if not for the Russians!
            And thanks to Russia there are no jungars, but there are Kazakhs.
            And there will be no Kazakhstan in half a year if there is no Russia in the north.


            Nonsense. Dzhungars destroyed the troops of the Qing Empire.
          2. Zymran
            Zymran 26 December 2013 21: 44
            0
            Quote: ATATA
            I write again.
            Today, Kazakhs would simply not be there, and there would be only Dzhungars, if not for the Russians!
            And thanks to Russia there are no jungars, but there are Kazakhs.
            And there will be no Kazakhstan in half a year if there is no Russia in the north.


            Nonsense. Dzhungars destroyed the troops of the Qing Empire.
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          4. Zymran
            Zymran 26 December 2013 21: 49
            -4
            Quote: ATATA
            And the main reason why the National Academy of Sciences joined the TS is because it takes care of your peace and well-being, like you idiots, but you don’t have enough brains to understand it.


            Typical argumentation of a patreot, in which there are only enemies all around, if not the Masons, then the Anglo-Saxons, and if not they are Chinese. Come up with something new already.
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 27 December 2013 12: 32
              +2
              Quote: Zymran
              Typical argumentation of a patreot, in which there are only enemies all around, if not the Masons, then the Anglo-Saxons, and if not they are Chinese. Come up with something new already.

              The Chinese are just friends. For Russia.
              But the campaign in your understanding that all universal evil lies exclusively in Russia.
      4. Tyumen
        Tyumen 26 December 2013 14: 42
        +1
        Semurg
        What kind of fetishes is independence, independence? You need to look at the standard of living.
        Or did the ancestors live better before entering the Republic of Ingushetia, in which they were not even obligated?
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 26 December 2013 21: 26
          +1
          Tyumen. it seems like a simple question and the answer draws to a long answer, I’ll say so that people would not die, independence is needed.
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      5. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 26 December 2013 15: 03
        +4
        Quote: Semurg
        there will be a spin of independence of Kazakhstan.
        Agay, somehow not in Kazakh!?!
        Are we "great Kazakh batyrs", as Russian shoviks call us, should be afraid of modern eRefiya ?! angry
        Really we "Great Türks", as Smoke calls us, should be afraid when they have a lot of such troubles as Troy, Smoke, Vasya, Ytsuken?!
        I'm probably young, so I think that "the glass is half full, not half empty"
        Yes weird "Uncle Vova "and Eddie (they have their own reasons for doing so laughing ), but there is the same Orel, kush62, Ascetic, bask, Gleb and many others.
        Yes, they are quiet in Kazakhstan now saag, ekzorsist, TS3sta3, ia-ai00 etc. etc.
        But there are Former Mariman, Andrey KZ, Minesweeper, Focker, Circle..
        And the latter are significantly more. And the younger "Russian Kazakhstanis" are, the more they consider and feel themselves citizens of the Republic of Kazakhstan good
        1. T80UM1
          T80UM1 26 December 2013 15: 15
          +2
          In vain they wrote ... It will begin now ...
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 26 December 2013 15: 40
            +1
            Quote: T80UM1
            In vain they wrote ... It will begin now ...

            That's all, Alibek says his right. just don’t need him to belittle the shoviki, what is it? Well, to insult, about the idiots he is in vain. For eyes it’s impossible. Worried probably lost control laughing
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          3. Semurg
            Semurg 26 December 2013 21: 41
            +1
            Quote: T80UM1
            In vain they wrote ... It will begin now ...

            began a long time now, the continuation of the 1158 series of the series "you are a mini pidmanula, you are a mini pidvila" laughing
        2. Zymran
          Zymran 26 December 2013 15: 42
          +1
          Quote: Alibekulu
          And the latter are significantly more. And the younger the "Russian Kazakhs" are, the more they consider and feel themselves citizens of Kazakhstan good


          Bugaga three times.
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        4. washi
          washi 26 December 2013 17: 54
          0
          Quote: Alibekulu
          Really we "Great Türks", as Smoke calls us, should be afraid when they have a lot of such troubles as Troy, Smoke, Vasya, ytsuken ?!

          Thank you for noticing
        5. Semurg
          Semurg 26 December 2013 19: 58
          +2
          Alibek. I read about the greats with a smile. While there is no union, Russian users are only interested in me as interlocutors are pleasant and not very. Kazakhstan users are important to me as my fellow citizens with whom, if you have something to eat, both good and bad (those that you wrote quietly dump at the first difficulties and still earn bonuses telling how fucking they lived in Kazakhstan and what kind of Kazakhs are shit like people). Other Russian-speaking Kazakhstanis about whom you wrote BM, Andrey Kz, Minesweeper and others I think if even they leave due to life circumstances, we will remain fellow citizens. But I turned specifically to the Kazakhs, there is no second Kazakhstan, and we have nowhere to go (if not the oligarch whose homeland is where the money is). And on this I urge you to be very careful and focus with a glass, that is, 50 to 50 does not roll here, it is desirable to have 150% confidence. Of course, one can say nothing terrible, they lived in a Russian state and you didn’t die out and you can live again, but I lived with union and independence, and I like the second option more. Although it is more hungry and heavier and worse than with the union, but for me, I still like more independent Kazakhstan than Kaz.SSR.
        6. TS3sta3
          TS3sta3 27 December 2013 14: 26
          0
          Yes now saag, ekzorsist, TS3sta3, ia-ai00 and so on are quiet in Kazakhstan. etc.

          the enemies are quiet around, they want to enslave Kazakhstan, damned invaders. laughing
      6. Orel
        Orel 26 December 2013 16: 08
        +3
        Semurg! I do not think that you are losing independence, and integration without limiting sovereignty is impossible in principle. If countries unite, then common governance bodies and their respective supranational powers are created. I disagree categorically with the deprivation of statehood. Firstly, it especially didn’t exist, and secondly, the majority of Kazakhs at the time of joining the common country were ill with tuberculosis, ill with literacy and generally with a settled way of life. The Russians gave Kazakhstan a lot, and what you write at the computer now, rather than wandering on pastures, is also Russia's merit. But we will not recall the past, but we are building the present and the future, if we are creating an alliance, it means that we need to give part of sovereignty, part of it is delegated to Russia by supranational bodies ...
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 26 December 2013 16: 15
          +1
          Quote: Orel
          sick with tuberculosis


          Nonsense. Look at least the reports of Russian ethnographers.

          Quote: Orel
          The Russians gave Kazakhstan a lot and what you write at the computer now, rather than wandering on pastures, is also Russia's merit


          Kazakhstan gave no less to take at least our bowels.

          Quote: Orel
          But we will not recall the past, we are building the present and the future, if we are creating an alliance, it means that we need to give part of sovereignty, part of it is delegated to Russia by supranational bodies ...


          There will be no supranational bodies. Even the great integrator himself is against such a situation.
          1. Orel
            Orel 26 December 2013 16: 22
            +2
            Zymran! I do not claim the truth. I simply express my opinion. To say that there will be only economic integration without politics is an obvious absurdity calculated for lack of education. Economics determines politics, and therefore, if there is economic integration, then political is inevitable. Otherwise, there will simply be no integration)

            If you always remember past differences, you can’t build the present, and even more so the future ...
            1. Orel
              Orel 26 December 2013 16: 27
              +1
              Kazakhstan gave no less to take at least our bowels.


              And who built the factories on which many worked and are working in Kazakhstan? Many cities ... We will not argue who gave more to whom, or do you think that Russia cannot exist without the resources of Kazakhstan?
              1. Zymran
                Zymran 26 December 2013 16: 34
                +1
                Factories and cities were built for themselves, as in any colonial power.

                Quote: Orel
                We will not argue who gave whom more


                I agree.

                Quote: Orel
                Do you think that Russia cannot exist without the resources of Kazakhstan?


                Do you think Kazakhstan will not live without Russia? We are not Belarus and not Ukraine.
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                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 16: 40
                  +3
                  Quote: Zymran
                  Factories and cities were built for themselves, as in any colonial power.

                  this is the main deception, in any colonial power, forgive the natives would remain at the same level as they were and let's not tell tales like Kazakhs were not allowed to study, they were not registered in cities, etc.
                  1. Clegg
                    Clegg 26 December 2013 16: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    this is the main deception, in any colonial power, forgive the natives would remain at the same level as they were and let's not tell tales like Kazakhs were not allowed to study, they were not registered in cities, etc.

                    Vasilenko you are not tired of writing the same thing?
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 17: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: Clegg
                      you are not bored

                      and you and I did rams graze together ?!

                      and you are not tired of tales about "oppression" ?!
                      1. Clegg
                        Clegg 26 December 2013 17: 17
                        -5
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        and you are not tired of tales about "oppression" ?!

                        This is a reactionary flow when you paint about a "happy life" in a scoop.
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 18: 40
                        +3
                        Quote: Clegg
                        when you paint about "happy life"

                        in any case, it could not be called sad and hungry!
                      3. Clegg
                        Clegg 26 December 2013 18: 41
                        -4
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        in any case, it could not be called sad and hungry!

                        there was no hunger ?!
                        Oh well
                      4. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 18: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Clegg
                        Oh well

                        don’t harness, don’t knock, neither I, nor you, nor even my parents knew about hunger, so don’t make yourself poor and unhappy
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                      6. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 December 2013 12: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Clegg
                        there was no hunger ?!

                        how do you know how it turned out you only went to school after 91? !!! fool
                      7. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 December 2013 12: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Clegg
                        there was no hunger ?!

                        how do you know how it turned out you only went to school after 91? !!! fool
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            3. Zymran
              Zymran 26 December 2013 17: 01
              +2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              this is the main deception, in any colonial power, forgive the natives would remain at the same level as they were and let's not tell tales like Kazakhs were not allowed to study, they were not registered in cities, etc.


              It was so in the Russian Empire. In the USSR it was different, I do not deny it.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 17: 06
                0
                I mean in the Empire they were not allowed to study ?!
                1. Zymran
                  Zymran 26 December 2013 17: 08
                  +1
                  Allowed at a minimum level. Mostly there were private schools where the Tatars were teachers.
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                3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 18: 54
                  +3
                  You know this is the same cunning, firstly, education in the Empire was in Russian, secondly paid, with knowledge of the first and the presence of the second, well, and accordingly there was no problem learning.
                  In any case, the top Kazakhs did not suffer from the inability to get an education.
                  In the Empire, in principle, there was a problem with getting education from the majority, but this is in no way connected with nationality
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        2. Orel
          Orel 26 December 2013 16: 46
          +1
          Factories and cities were built for themselves, as in any colonial power.


          Zumran! Do you seriously think that Russia was engaged in colonialism? Can you give me any proof? Colonialism does not create health care, education and industry for the "natives", but is set only to destroy them. Russia has created a civilized life for you, and for that you call us colonists ... Although I am not surprised Dostoevsky wrote about your reaction many years ago in his diary.
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 26 December 2013 17: 00
            +1
            Colonialism is a definition that Russian historians themselves used in pre-revolutionary works. You simply have the Soviet definition of colonialism, which prevents you from objectively evaluating events.
            1. Orel
              Orel 26 December 2013 17: 28
              +3
              Colonialism is a definition that Russian historians themselves used in pre-revolutionary works.


              As Woland said in his immortal work: "But there can be no other points of view here." Colonialism - it definitely has nothing to do with development. Wow!!! You say that. Where did Kazakhstan appear within its borders? Where did it get its name? You will soon agree to the point that the Russians drove you to concentration camps and shot you from cannons, like the British colonists in India. Are you putting us on the same level with the British or what?
              1. Zymran
                Zymran 26 December 2013 17: 46
                +2
                Don't you know the definition of "colonial policy of tsarism" from Soviet textbooks?

                Or here is "The History of the Semirechensky Cossack Host, Ledenev, 1909"

                To gain a foothold in the Kyrgyz steppe and in Central Asia was possible only if the Russians colonized the newly occupied countries. For this purpose, one peaceful peasant population would be completely unsuitable, since here, among the nomads, irresistibly loyal to robberies and robberies, the Russian population, accustomed to military affairs, was also required, a plowman, always ready to fight back. The Siberian Cossacks, who for more than two centuries had been skilled in the struggle against just such a people, just met the conditions that were presented to the first colonizers of a distant, wild land.
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        3. Orel
          Orel 26 December 2013 16: 50
          0
          Do you think Kazakhstan will not live without Russia? We are not Belarus and not Ukraine.


          Zumran! Will live of course! So you yourself come to the essence of the TS. This is a MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL integration. Trading without duties is going both ways. And look at the statistics. Kazakhstan wins from the CU. Maybe even more than Russia.
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 26 December 2013 16: 57
            +4
            Quote: Orel
            . Kazakhstan wins from TS

            nonsense

            Quote: Orel
            Maybe even more than Russia.

            After the TS began to operate, the share of Russian imports in Kazakhstan increased from 31% to 43%.
            Trade between Russia and Kazakhstan grew by 91%, the trade deficit 63%. That is, 63% more we buy than we sell.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 17: 01
              0
              Well, can you name the negative positions for the Republic of Kazakhstan?
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 26 December 2013 17: 17
                +3
                Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                Well, can you name the negative positions for the Republic of Kazakhstan?

                trade imbalance
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              3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 18: 56
                +1
                Quote: Clegg
                trade imbalance

                that is, they used to export and now stop?
                enterprises in Kazakhstan shut down not competing?
                give figures
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          3. saag
            saag 26 December 2013 17: 07
            +2
            Quote: Clegg
            That is, 63% more we buy than we sell.

            Who is to blame for you, that instead of the former factories and factories inherited from the USSR, you built hotels and shopping centers? In any case, you will buy more, since the share of production is low
            1. Clegg
              Clegg 26 December 2013 17: 19
              +3
              Quote: saag
              In any case, you will buy more, since the share of production is low

              I am ready to buy medium-quality products, not Russian trash.
            2. saag
              saag 26 December 2013 17: 25
              -1
              Quote: Clegg
              I am ready to buy medium-quality products, not Russian trash.

              Well, it's about cars, all the moans about the disadvantage of the vehicle relate to the automotive topic :-)
            3. Jet
              Jet 26 December 2013 21: 51
              +3
              gasoline, various equipment, special. equipment and so on and so forth. Now even online purchases are forced to customs ..
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          5. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 18: 59
            +1
            Quote: Clegg
            I am ready to buy medium-quality products, not Russian trash.

            buy, who does not give you? !!!
            you could very well buy high-quality T-shirts produced by Alma-Ata knitwear, not Chinese or Turkish bullshit, but someone thought it was more profitable to sell the new equipment to the Turks, and instead of manufacturing to make a business center in the production buildings
        4. Jet
          Jet 26 December 2013 19: 38
          +2
          we ourselves are to blame, no doubt) but with all this, in simple terms, we used to buy good things for cheap (from foreign markets), and now they are not very good for expensive (exclusively from the TS market). that is, earlier we could spend more money on the restoration of production capacities (ideally).
        5. Zymran
          Zymran 26 December 2013 19: 38
          +1
          Not us, but leadership.
        6. Jet
          Jet 26 December 2013 20: 20
          +2
          I mean, that we ourselves are to blame, we will restore it ourselves. we don’t tell the Russians about their mistakes, otherwise they’ll quickly get banned;)
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        8. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 20: 37
          0
          Quote: Jet
          I’m to blame ourselves, we’ll restore it ourselves

          I'll probably upset you, but you yourself won’t restore the Knitwear, there are no specialists, the last one left 5 years ago.
          then you need to either invite or send to study, again for the cordon.
          Quote: Jet
          and then quickly banned here
          this is usually done on patriotic sites of the kaznet
        9. Jet
          Jet 26 December 2013 20: 41
          +2
          so what to do?) we will solve our production problems ourselves, and we will not refuse your help!
        10. Jet
          Jet 26 December 2013 21: 43
          +1
          uv and I also heard grandmothers scolding someone on a bench! discussion on this site, here and now.
    5. Jet
      Jet 26 December 2013 21: 07
      +1
      Well, that means we, since we put up with them. And it is obvious that all this (the CU and the CES) is not done for the interests of economic growth and prosperity of Kazakhstan, but to receive political support from the Kremlin.
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  4. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 19: 42
    -1
    Quote: Jet
    we bought good things for cheap (from foreign markets), and now not very good for expensive (exclusively from the vehicle market).

    what kind of nonsense, all imported goods disappeared from you? !!! and now you buy exclusively products of the Russian Federation and Belarus? !!!
    give examples that you bought an import before and that you cannot buy from this now ?!
  5. Jet
    Jet 26 December 2013 19: 59
    +2
    Calm Vladimir) why immediately nonsense? If we ignore geopolitics, it should be recognized that the CU was created, in the same way, for economic expansion. Simply, the RK was not really ready for competition, and due to the fencing in the almost old Soviet borders of the customs regime, prices rose still, and cheap imports of goods (primarily from China) of consumer goods ordered them to live long. What happened to prices is the result of two opposite actions: opening borders with Russia and transferring all transport food flows there and closing borders with our natural supplying countries - Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, and of course China. In addition, in fact, we made a commitment to coordinate macroeconomic policies with Russia and Belarus, which in fact means that our country transferred to Russia, in the first place, a lot of powers in the formation of already domestic economic processes, as a result of which Kazakhstan lost its economic sovereignty and how The consequence is obviously a decrease in the prospects for the formation of an independent, sustainable economy in Kazakhstan.
  6. Jet
    Jet 26 December 2013 20: 04
    0
    In short, in the whole story under the title “Customs and Economic Integration of the Three Countries”, only Russia and to a lesser extent Belarus won. They had and have something to offer to a new market. And Russia now benefits both from the creation of the Customs Union and from its recent accession to the WTO: it is more difficult for Kazakhstan importers to compete with importers of Russia, since their duties will be lower, that is, only imported goods will remain on the shelves of domestic stores, and our market , through short-term dumping, Russia and Belarus will take over. As a result, today Kazakhstan not only protects the Russian manufacturer, but also pays extra for losing the RF budget from joining the WTO.
  7. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 20: 05
    0
    you do not go away from the question that you cannot buy from earlier imported goods
  8. Jet
    Jet 26 December 2013 20: 16
    +2
    What is incomprehensible here? We can buy, but at an exorbitant price, due to high duties, so we buy on the TS market (Russia), a little cheaper than from other markets, but much more expensive than before the creation of the TS. What actually is the economic component of the vehicle. This is math for grade 3
  9. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 20: 41
    -3
    Quote: Jet
    This is math for 3

    I think on a plate do not spread.
    once again the inflated prices in the RK are mostly associated with the appetites of traders, and not with the TS
  10. Zymran
    Zymran 26 December 2013 21: 33
    +2
    Good drive already.
  11. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 21: 35
    -1
    all arguments are over?
  12. Zymran
    Zymran 26 December 2013 21: 38
    0
    Fees have risen, prices have risen. Repeat again for stupid?
  13. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 21: 50
    -2
    Once again, your prices were higher than the Russian Federation for the same goods and before the vehicle, then it would be extremely interesting to compare the percentage of duties and the percentage by which prices rose.
    I'm afraid that the TS has a very distant relation to raising prices for some goods
  14. Zymran
    Zymran 26 December 2013 21: 52
    +1
    On household appliances yes. For clothes, medicines, industrial equipment, food, cars - no.
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  16. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 21: 59
    +1
    Quote: Zymran
    Food

    for the whole of Russia I can’t argue, but our meat is cheaper than in Kazakhstan.
    about industrial equipment you need to specifically verb.
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  19. Zymran
    Zymran 26 December 2013 21: 38
    -1
    Fees have risen, prices have risen. Repeat again for stupid?
  20. Jet
    Jet 26 December 2013 21: 48
    0
    Yes, how much can you ?! or do you fundamentally not read my arguments? although I haven’t seen yours at all ..
  21. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 21: 51
    0
    Quote: Jet
    I didn’t see yours

    open your eyes
  22. Jet
    Jet 26 December 2013 21: 59
    0
    you have a strange manner of communication .. a little more and go to fenyu. Can I not stoop to this? or you do not understand Russian?)))))
  23. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 22: 03
    -2
    mmmda
    and what does "fenya" have to do with it?
  24. Jet
    Jet 26 December 2013 22: 06
    -1
    it is you "open your eyes" and carefully read what I "smeared on your plate".
  25. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 22: 09
    0
    you reread your pearls
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  30. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 20: 41
    -1
    Quote: Jet
    This is math for 3

    I think on a plate do not spread.
    once again the inflated prices in the RK are mostly associated with the appetites of traders, and not with the TS
  • Zymran
    Zymran 26 December 2013 17: 06
    +2
    Quote: Orel
    plowing without duties goes both ways


    Trade without duties existed before the creation of the vehicle.

    Quote: Orel
    Kazakhstan wins from the CU.


    Kazakhstan is losing economically from the CU, but now you want to put a political noose on our neck.
    1. saag
      saag 26 December 2013 17: 12
      0
      Quote: Zymran
      Kazakhstan loses from the CU economically,

      And Kazakhstan also wants to join the WTO
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 26 December 2013 17: 20
        +2
        Quote: saag
        And Kazakhstan also wants to be in the WTO

        It's good
      2. saag
        saag 26 December 2013 17: 26
        +2
        Quote: Clegg
        It's good

        For whom, in my opinion for China, he has something to sell in global markets, Kazakhstan does not have
      3. Clegg
        Clegg 26 December 2013 17: 31
        -1
        Quote: saag
        For whom, in my opinion for China, he has something to sell in global markets, Kazakhstan does not have

        Yes, even for Papua new Guinea. The main thing is we should not support growing. industry, the strengthening of Russia is unprofitable for us.
      4. saag
        saag 26 December 2013 17: 46
        +1
        Quote: Clegg
        The main thing is we should not support growing. industry, the strengthening of Russia is unprofitable for us.

        For more than 20 years you have not "supported" it, is it difficult to refuse?
      5. ed65b
        ed65b 26 December 2013 17: 54
        0
        Quote: Clegg
        strengthening of Russia is disadvantageous for us.

        Hm. I have such an opinion on your posts that you write yourself not believing that you did not clave to clave. Just nonsense. there is nothing to say more about the case, then just read without engaging in controversy. And it’s already funny to become from your posts.
      6. Clegg
        Clegg 26 December 2013 18: 10
        +2
        Quote: ed65b
        I have such an opinion on your posts that you write yourself not believing that you did not clave to clave.

        Why?
  • Jet
    Jet 26 December 2013 19: 45
    +2
    The TS blocked Kazakhstan the road to the WTO. Even Tajikistan was accepted into the World Trade Organization this year, although Astana applied five years earlier than Dushanbe. We go to the CU and the WTO with Russia from completely different points: it reduces national import duties in both cases, and we, having already reduced them step-by-step as a result of previous negotiations with the WTO, sharply tightened both tariff and non-tariff protection measures. Therefore, Russia completed its negotiations with the WTO in December 2011, and the issue is hanging in Kazakhstan ..
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  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 17: 43
    -1
    Quote: Zymran
    Kazakhstan loses from the CU economically

    in numbers you can prove
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 26 December 2013 18: 08
      +1
      http://news.nur.kz/253538.html

      http://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/news/19464711/beskorystnyj-soyuz
    2. Nikolay D.
      Nikolay D. 26 December 2013 18: 49
      0
      Quote: Zymran
      http://news.nur.kz/253538.html

      http://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/news/19464711/beskorystnyj-soyuz

      Dear, we need official figures, from official sources, you would refer to Wikipedia.
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    4. Zymran
      Zymran 26 December 2013 19: 09
      0
      The article refers to a statement by the Minister of Finance.
    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 19: 39
      +1
      http://ru.government.kz/documents/publications/498
      the most interesting thing is that this is an official interview, and not quotes torn out it is not known where
    6. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 19: 39
      0
      http://ru.government.kz/documents/publications/498
      the most interesting thing is that this is an official interview, and not quotes torn out it is not known where
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 19: 06
    -1
    Sorry, but this is a blah blah show.
    about the prices that have become higher due to duties to say the least ...
    even before the customs union, household appliances in the RK cost well more than in Russia, by the way in 8 I bought a huge plush cow (Chinese) in Kaliningrad cheaper than I saw the same on the market in Alma-Ata
  • Zymran
    Zymran 26 December 2013 19: 11
    0
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Sorry, but this is a blah blah show.
    about the prices that have become higher due to duties to say the least ...
    even before the customs union, household appliances in the RK cost well more than in the Russian Federation


    And now it’s even more expensive. Food and consumer goods cost much cheaper than in the border regions of Russia.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 19: 33
    0
    Quote: Zymran
    And now it’s even more expensive

    so maybe it's still not the fault of the vehicle, but the traders? !!!
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  • Zymran
    Zymran 26 December 2013 19: 38
    +2
    Fees are to blame.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 19: 46
    0
    Quote: Zymran
    Fees are to blame.

    Sorry, but if they managed to charge Chinese goods in Alma-Ata without duties more expensive than in Kaliningrad.
    appetites need to be reduced, I understand that everything is much simpler under the guise of a profit from 200 percent raised to 300.
  • Zymran
    Zymran 26 December 2013 18: 08
    0
    http://news.nur.kz/253538.html

    http://www.vedomosti.ru/opinion/news/19464711/beskorystnyj-soyuz
  • washi
    washi 26 December 2013 18: 05
    0
    Quote: Zymran
    Factories and cities were built for themselves, as in any colonial power.

    And let us dismantle everything that we built, and in return we will return everything that we dug up?
    And there will be an even GREAT STEP.
    Beautiful, especially in spring, when tulips bloom.
    At the same time, we will pick up books other than those written in Arabic.
    But the akyns will again remember the traditions and sing about what they see, and not come up with all s ... about the bad, vile Russians and great Cossacks, born from the direct heirs of Adam and then settled all of Eurasia.
    1. Jet
      Jet 26 December 2013 21: 56
      +1
      here the provocateurs drew themselves. something you were gone for a long time;)
    2. nurlangali
      nurlangali 27 December 2013 11: 00
      +3
      Sure, not a problem!!! Take another layer of radioactive earth from the Semipalatinsk test site, heptyl, a bunch of poisonous debris from Saryshagan, Emba -5, etc., return the Aral to its previous state. Uranus from Aktau. Chechens Koreans, Germans, Poles, etc. laughing . Well, what is weak !? How it turns out, honestly did not want to. Oh, and even a snack compensation for poisoned land, water, famine 1919-1921, 1929-1933. I sit and see how the Balts with their compensation for the alleged occupation, a Jew with his Holocaust, nervously smoking on the sidelines, bashfully lowering his eyes.
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      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 December 2013 12: 17
        0
        Quote: nurlangali
        return the Aral to its former state

        and this is to the Uzbeks
        Quote: nurlangali
        famine 1919-1921

        and this is for you, the Kazakhs themselves were happy to take the surplus
    3. nurlangali
      nurlangali 27 December 2013 11: 00
      0
      Sure, not a problem!!! Take another layer of radioactive earth from the Semipalatinsk test site, heptyl, a bunch of poisonous debris from Saryshagan, Emba -5, etc., return the Aral to its previous state. Uranus from Aktau. Chechens Koreans, Germans, Poles, etc. laughing . Well, what is weak !? How it turns out, honestly did not want to. Oh, and even a snack compensation for poisoned land, water, famine 1919-1921, 1929-1933. I sit and see how the Balts with their compensation for the alleged occupation, a Jew with his Holocaust, nervously smoking on the sidelines, bashfully lowering his eyes.
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  • Zymran
    Zymran 26 December 2013 16: 32
    +1
    Quote: Orel
    Saying that there will be only economic integration without politics is an obvious absurdity designed for ignorance.


    I understand this very well, but it is not clear to me what the NAS thinks about this.

    Quote: Orel
    Otherwise, there will simply be no integration)


    Hope so.
    1. Orel
      Orel 26 December 2013 16: 48
      0
      Hope so.


      History and time will show who was right ...
    2. Jet
      Jet 26 December 2013 19: 50
      +2
      Something clearly went wrong with integration, and Nazarbayev, at a meeting in Minsk with undisguised irritation, said that Kazakhstan was ready to discuss the creation of a Eurasian Union with Russia and Belarus only after joining the WTO. Although these answers to these questions had to be fixed before joining the CU.
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  • Clegg
    Clegg 26 December 2013 17: 00
    -1
    Quote: Orel
    and the fact that you are now writing at the computer, rather than wandering on pastures, is also Russia's merit.

    laughing delirium
    Americans came up with the Internet, a Chinese-made computer, a table and chair like ours. And you say Russia)))))
    1. Orel
      Orel 26 December 2013 17: 31
      +2
      Americans came up with the Internet, a Chinese-made computer, a table and chair like ours. And you say Russia)))))


      And who taught you to read, write and count? Or did you yourself learn Russian?
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 26 December 2013 17: 37
        +3
        Quote: Orel
        Or did you yourself learn Russian?

        Yes, according to the tutorial, English, too, for the tutorial. Are there any other questions?
        He studied at the school in Kazakh.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 19: 08
          -1
          Quote: Clegg
          He studied at the school in Kazakh

          but what about the fact that all Kazakh schools closed
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 26 December 2013 19: 34
            +3
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            but what about the fact that all Kazakh schools closed

            studied already in an independent country.
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            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 December 2013 10: 06
              +1
              means that it was during the Union you can’t know, so why are you smart about hunger? !!!!!
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      2. romb
        romb 26 December 2013 17: 53
        +1
        Before teaching us, you yourself would learn to write correctly in your own language. And then, often, you are amazed when you have to read the illiterate delirium of the next teacher of backward peoples.))))
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 19: 09
          0
          Quote: romb
          themselves learned to write correctly

          in fact, this is not an argument in the dispute.
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 19: 09
          0
          Quote: romb
          themselves learned to write correctly

          in fact, this is not an argument in the dispute.
          1. romb
            romb 26 December 2013 21: 08
            +2
            Hello! So I did not try to argue, but simply pointed out an obvious fact. There is a separate bunch of "civilizers" who are very fond of emphasizing their exceptional role in the learning process to "piss standing". Here I am teasing them.)))
      3. Jet
        Jet 26 December 2013 20: 08
        0
        Well, come ... thanks to comrade Stalin for our happy childhood
  • Semurg
    Semurg 26 December 2013 22: 07
    +2
    Eagle. You will excuse me, but you and people with your views will not be in charge in Russia, while others, even now, do not hesitate to write about the dismemberment of neighbors and this is annoying about the massacre of fellow citizens.
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  • ATATA
    ATATA 26 December 2013 21: 25
    +1
    Quote: Semurg
    All this can be avoided if people with the views of "Eagle" are in power in Russia, but one must be realistic such people will not be at the head of Russia.

    If in Russia a person with the views of the Eagle comes to power (God forbid!), Then Russia will not be in half a year! hi
    Quote: Semurg
    What will be the wring of independence of Kazakhstan.

    You really don’t understand that only Russia can guarantee independence for Kazakhstan?
    Don’t you understand that if it weren’t for Russia, there would have been no Kazakhstan for a long time ?!
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 26 December 2013 22: 20
      +1
      Atata. Russia China USA France England are guarantors of independent Kazakhstan and they all signed up for these guarantees in exchange for the withdrawal of nuclear weapons from Kazakhstan. These are international warranties. Domestic guarantees are the people of Kazakhstan.
      1. Clegg
        Clegg 27 December 2013 08: 28
        +3
        Quote: Semurg
        Russia China USA France England are guarantors of independent Kazakhstan

        no are not.
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  • DEfindER
    DEfindER 26 December 2013 14: 23
    +2
    Quote: Orel
    The main thing here is not to rush with the integration processes.

    Yes, I’m afraid that they’re not in a hurry, The article did not mention an important moment of this meeting, Nazarbayev urged to exclude all political components from the Eurasian Union, leaving only the economy .. But to be honest, I don’t understand how possible serious economic integration, without political integration, is Well, nothing will come of it ..
    1. Clegg
      Clegg 26 December 2013 18: 11
      +2
      Quote: DEfindER
      But to be honest I don’t understand how possible serious economic integration, without political integration, it won’t work out ..

      Inshallah, let us hope so.
      1. alone
        alone 26 December 2013 21: 03
        +2
        laughing All the same, it’s good when the country chooses its own path. It’s good that we stayed away from the CU and the EU. And in principle there is no one to blame))
    2. smsk
      smsk 26 December 2013 20: 53
      +1

      Yes, I’m afraid that they’re not in a hurry, The article did not mention an important moment of this meeting, Nazarbayev urged to exclude all political components from the Eurasian Union, leaving only the economy .. But to be honest, I don’t understand how possible serious economic integration, without political integration, is Well, nothing will come of it ..

      But weren’t the republics attached economically? Raw materials here, for example, a processing plant in another republic. Everything was tied up. And economic ties are much stronger than political ones. The leader will change and the course of the state will change, but you can’t just terminate economic ties, especially at the present time, nobody will want to lose so much loot.
  • Keeper
    Keeper 26 December 2013 08: 42
    +6
    Both in Ukraine and Belarus there are specialists and excellent factories!
    It is not difficult to upgrade if there is a desire, there are walls and there are specialists!
    As for Kazakhstan - huge areas!
    Each country has its own resources and advantages - you need to properly dispose of them ...
    1. washi
      washi 26 December 2013 18: 12
      0
      Kazakhstan is not only a square, but also many enterprises that existed under the USSR. Most of course destroyed due to lack of specialists. We parted. And Kazakhs, like Caucasians, work well only in the Russian team.
  • saag
    saag 26 December 2013 08: 45
    +1
    Quote: Orel
    This union should not be for Russia or around Russia,

    And around what should the union be based, what is its base, inner core, amorphism as a rule does not contribute to strength and leads to decay
    1. Orel
      Orel 26 December 2013 08: 56
      +3
      And around what should the union be based, what is its base, inner core, amorphism as a rule does not contribute to strength and leads to decay


      Nobody talks about amorphousness. If we create something where Russia speaks, and the rest follow the principle - "we thought and I decided," then I am sure everything will fall apart very quickly, because nationalism is growing in the now independent countries and if we point out our superiority, then very soon from us all will turn away. It is necessary not to focus on superiority, but on pragmatism and partnership. Then no one can say that "it is not profitable for us in the TS". As long as it is profitable, there will be ...
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 26 December 2013 09: 50
        +1
        Quote: Orel
        And around what should the union be based, what is its base, inner core, amorphism as a rule does not contribute to strength and leads to decay


        Nobody talks about amorphousness. If we create something where Russia speaks, and the rest follow the principle - "we thought and I decided," then I am sure everything will fall apart very quickly, because nationalism is growing in the now independent countries and if we point out our superiority, then very soon from us all will turn away. It is necessary not to focus on superiority, but on pragmatism and partnership. Then no one can say that "it is not profitable for us in the TS". As long as it is profitable, there will be ...

        Nonsense, from the UN rostrum, the United States declared its "exclusiveness" and that it turned its back on them? The one who pays that girl and dances, and if the girl barks, then there is a strong fist. The example of the United States clearly shows this. so it is necessary to show financial strength and, where necessary, physical.
        1. Orel
          Orel 26 December 2013 09: 55
          +2
          Nonsense, from the UN rostrum, the United States declared its "exclusiveness" and that it turned its back on them?


          Do you want to take the place of the USA? I believed that Russia has always played a unifying role, and not vice versa ...
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 26 December 2013 10: 08
            +1
            Quote: Orel
            Nonsense, from the UN rostrum, the United States declared its "exclusiveness" and that it turned its back on them?


            Do you want to take the place of the USA? I believed that Russia has always played a unifying role, and not vice versa ...

            The USSR once ruled the planet with the United States and what was bad? Now who will steer China? and will you be better off? He swallows without wincing all of Central Asia along with Kazakhstan.
            1. Orel
              Orel 26 December 2013 10: 50
              +1
              The USSR once ruled the planet with the United States and what was bad? Now who will steer China? and will you be better off? He swallows without wincing all of Central Asia along with Kazakhstan.


              It is already known how this "taxiing" ended for the USSR, but we will soon see how it will end for the United States. The world has changed and politics too, and a new unifying model of development needs to be followed, the model of domination ditched the USSR and the United States, in fact, too, but they still hold on, but their astronomical duty is the legacy of the same confrontation and whether the United States will survive is still a big question ...
              1. ed65b
                ed65b 26 December 2013 11: 49
                +1
                Quote: Orel
                The USSR once ruled the planet with the United States and what was bad? Now who will steer China? and will you be better off? He swallows without wincing all of Central Asia along with Kazakhstan.


                It is already known how this "taxiing" ended for the USSR, but we will soon see how it will end for the United States. The world has changed and politics too, and a new unifying model of development needs to be followed, the model of domination ditched the USSR and the United States, in fact, too, but they still hold on, but their astronomical duty is the legacy of the same confrontation and whether the United States will survive is still a big question ...

                For them (USA) do not worry, the world hegemon will not die out, about the USSR - the question is, who actually ruined it? Isn’t the thoughtless policy of Secretary General Gorbachev and the further successor of EBN a la company?
                1. Orel
                  Orel 26 December 2013 16: 43
                  -3
                  USSR - the question is, who actually ruined it?


                  For the answer to this question, you can get many awards. There are many reasons for this, but I think the main one is still the economy. We spent too much on defense and sometimes even to the detriment of the national economy. 80 000 tanks !!! Think about it, it's only tanks! Army of 3 million army only in the RSFSR, excluding other republics. Maybe partly huge military spending up to 15% of GDP per year !!! They ruined us ... Although here, too, you can argue ...
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 16: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Orel
                    We spent too much on defense and sometimes even to the detriment of the national economy

                    but the education was free, the bread cost so much that they were fed pigs, I don’t even want to mention housing and communal services prices
                    Quote: Orel
                    3 million army only in the RSFSR

                    ?? !!!!!
                    Quote: Orel
                    They ruined us ...

                    I beg of you
                    1. Orel
                      Orel 26 December 2013 17: 07
                      +1
                      Vladimir, I do not claim the truth. Just an old woman Thatcher told in her time how happy she was about the death of the USSR and said that the tactics for disinformation plums about the large number of NATO weapons contributed to inflating the USSR army and huge defense spending, which hindered the Soviet economy and ultimately led it to lag behind the West in civilian technology for decades, which ultimately came around. You cannot live on oil alone. This is the essence of her speech briefly. She is unlikely to engage in misinformation; she feels herself a winner and takes pride in her tactics, which brought success ...
                  2. washi
                    washi 26 December 2013 18: 19
                    +1
                    Quote: Orel
                    USSR - the question is, who actually ruined it?

                    For the answer to this question, you can get many awards. There are many reasons for this, but I think the main one is still the economy. We spent too much on defense and sometimes even to the detriment of the national economy. 80 000 tanks !!! Think about it, it's only tanks! Army of 3 million army only in the RSFSR, excluding other republics. Maybe partly huge military spending up to 15% of GDP per year !!! They ruined us ... Although here, too, you can argue ...

                    I believe that the destruction of the Stalinist mixed economy by Khrushchev.
                    They also spent a lot on defense, but prices were falling, salaries were rising.
            2. Orel
              Orel 26 December 2013 10: 55
              0
              I consider the Chinese threat to be exaggerated and nurtured by the West, since it is only in their interests to separate us. Russia is the rear of China, and the rear is not destroyed. Russia is essentially China’s entry into Europe, spoiling relations with us and pushing NATO into China’s arms is similar, but if China begins to act aggressively towards us, Russia will seriously think about joining the anti-Chinese alliance and then China’s development will be put a bold cross. The United States, NATO, Japan and Russia will be able to block China so much that China disappears in a couple of decades. Therefore, China will be interested in our friendship.
              1. ed65b
                ed65b 26 December 2013 11: 46
                +1
                Quote: Orel
                I consider the Chinese threat to be exaggerated and nurtured by the West, since it is only in their interests to separate us. Russia is the rear of China, and the rear is not destroyed. Russia is essentially China’s entry into Europe, spoiling relations with us and pushing NATO into China’s arms is similar, but if China begins to act aggressively towards us, Russia will seriously think about joining the anti-Chinese alliance and then China’s development will be put a bold cross. The United States, NATO, Japan and Russia will be able to block China so much that China disappears in a couple of decades. Therefore, China will be interested in our friendship.

                And here you are mistaken under any version of the Russian Federation does not wake up to enter the anti-Chinese alliance with the United States - the Russian Federation has too good historical memory of the history of such relations and behavior of the United States and its allies. The Russian Federation will maneuver and try to steer preferences for itself.
                1. Orel
                  Orel 26 December 2013 16: 20
                  0
                  Russia does not wake up joining anti-Chinese alliance with USA


                  Apparently you forgot the thousand-year-old truth - the enemy of my enemy ... If China becomes our enemy, we will become friends with those who are also enemies to him ...
              2. avt
                avt 26 December 2013 15: 01
                +1
                Quote: Orel
                I consider the Chinese threat to be exaggerated and nurtured by the West, since it is only in their interests to separate us. Russia is the rear of China, and the rear is not destroyed.

                laughing Do the Chinese know about this?
                1. smsk
                  smsk 26 December 2013 20: 59
                  +2
                  laughing Do the Chinese know about this?

                  The Chinese naturally know about this. A lot of resources go to China from Russia, blocking them China will not be able to develop. But this is for the time being until China is strong and begins to capture Siberia)))
      2. avt
        avt 26 December 2013 14: 44
        +2
        Quote: Orel
        since in now independent countries nationalism is growing

        It does not grow stronger, it is the foundation in creation and remains the foundation for existence.
        Quote: Orel
        and if we point to our superiority, then very soon everyone will turn their backs on us.

        So what ? Maybe for the sake of the mental stability of the local nationalists to go and drown ourselves in the Arctic Ocean !? Why should we be ashamed of our own strength, if it really is !? Why all these attacks of self-deprecating masochism? The building of national states is the business of the local leaders elected by their people, we must take into account only our interests, our people, so if they want to be equal, but not a question, let them become, if they can. But why should we lower ourselves below the plinth for the sake of some kind of mythical idea - “and suddenly they will be offended and will not be friends with us.” Let them choose for themselves - it would be an honor to be offered, that's how with Old Man. That's the only way, if without majestic polites.
        1. Orel
          Orel 26 December 2013 16: 14
          +1
          So what ? Maybe for the sake of the peace of mind of the local nationalists, can we go and drown in the Arctic Ocean!? With what fright should we be ashamed of our own strength, if it really is !?


          The more power, the more responsibility. Why boast about it? Do you think this is right? Then a simple example - do you like it if the United States tells Russia that it should do this and that? I do not like. Then why did you decide that if Russia will say the same to the Kazakhs and Belarusians, they will rejoice? With thoughts like yours, our new alliance will fall apart very quickly ...
          1. avt
            avt 26 December 2013 17: 55
            +1
            Quote: Orel
            The more power, the more responsibility. Why boast about it?

            And why is it needed if it is not used to a reasonable extent for the good of its state?
            Quote: Orel
            Do you like if the US tells Russia that it should do this and that?

            I don’t, but I clearly understand that power breaks the straw and that as with EQUAL they will be forced to speak only when we are. And to demand from them that they reckon with some sort of our interests, despite the fact that we really do not have the strength, this is primary stupidity. According to Senka’s hat, you can arbitrarily prove, as the Ukrainians, that everything came from us, or threaten with your finger that your grandfather Genghis Khan was and now he will show you now, pragmatic Americans will never listen to you and do it right.
            Quote: Orel
            . Then why did you decide that if Russia will say the same to the Kazakhs and Belarusians, they will rejoice?

            To rejoice or not, to listen and to do or not - this is their voluntary, sovereign matter, except for when they take money, but don’t want to give away in view of sovereignty or any other kind of equal rights, again we must also give based on our interests, as with Ukraine - it is better to give in the morning, so that in the evening it would not blaze near by.
          2. ed65b
            ed65b 26 December 2013 17: 59
            +1
            Quote: Orel
            With thoughts like yours, our new alliance will fall apart very quickly ...

            But there is no union, there are business interests and all. The rest as God puts a soul.
          3. avt
            avt 26 December 2013 18: 17
            +1
            [quote = Orel] [quote] With thoughts like yours, our new alliance will fall apart very quickly ... [/ quote]
            I will answer this separately. First, you need to specifically deal with the terminology. For some reason, the TS, which is in fact a club for economic interests with restrictions voluntarily assumed by the members of this club, is considered a kind of new formation. and selective execution of those rules that were in the CIS. That's it, nothing else is here and is not foreseen. Any other body movements called EVRAZES are in direct conflict with the fact that the local elite was so diligently cultivated on the basis of nationalism with the denial of the Soviet and imperial past, paraphrasing Stalin - only by raising nationalist banners could it be possible to stay in power while eliminating socialist ideology. And by unrolling such a flywheel, only very serious upheavals, and even with an appropriate idea, can rally the previously shattered fragments of the USSR. But there is no idea and so far not foreseen, life is good, good life is even better is not an idea. no one will be in power either in the localities, much less in our country, where it is incomparably greater and it is not comparable stronger, both economically and militarily. And nobody canceled the show-off. If you do not believe me, look today on the website how and on what principles are the unified air defense going to be done with the commander in Kazakhstan {again, show-off, not expediency, well, how our naval command was transferred to St. Everyone, sailed where they sailed from. And you can blow in your ears about the "union" ad infinitum. Daddy is worse than Elbasy in this respect, he simply arranges paid concerts, two billion per ticket. I accept the invitation to the admiral's post from the heads in a personal, no benefit, well, a little money for my salary, and so no harm. laughing
            1. saag
              saag 26 December 2013 18: 26
              +1
              Yes, this is really a show-off, they gave it to steer in one word, otherwise "infringements" will begin again, this one pinned - "... The location of the command of the Unified Air Defense System is the Republic of Kazakhstan, Almaty.", The commander is ahead on a dashing horse: - )
            2. Zymran
              Zymran 26 December 2013 18: 27
              +3
              Quote: avt
              Here I propose, in addition to air defense, to create the CSTO TC Fleet, with me at the head, here I accept the invitation from the heads of the heads in PM, no use, well, little money for my salary, and so no harm. laughing


              I offer you the post of deputy commander of an equestrian assault squad during the siege of Washington. Sorry, I do not offer a command post. Marek has already taken. laughing
              1. avt
                avt 26 December 2013 20: 06
                +1
                Quote: Zymran
                I offer you the post of deputy commander of an equestrian assault squad during the siege of Washington.

                Now, when you are piled up in place of elbasy, then you will offer, naturally, with justification of nomadic roots, but again, given the lack of pasture on the way to Washington, it’s unlikely that even under the direction of Marek horses will get food in the ocean with a hoof in the ocean. So I will be in charge of the parade and not from Alma-Ata. bully But until the "last sea", so be it, I will agree to joint leadership.
    2. washi
      washi 26 December 2013 18: 16
      0
      Quote: saag
      Quote: Orel
      This union should not be for Russia or around Russia,

      And around what should the union be based, what is its base, inner core, amorphism as a rule does not contribute to strength and leads to decay

      Putin said that decisions in the Customs Union are made by the majority. If the 2nd in the top three countries of the CU say that the fret is big g ... and you need to pay extra for its purchase, you will need to do this, or stop exporting it
  • makarov
    makarov 26 December 2013 08: 57
    +5
    God forbid. Perhaps they will really create something new and useful.
  • saag
    saag 26 December 2013 09: 10
    -3
    I have the impression that Kazakhstan will fall off as soon as possible
    1. Max otto
      Max otto 26 December 2013 09: 45
      +7
      Somehow, in general, the situation is completely different, Nazarbayev stood at the origins of all these associations, he is generally one of the main initiators. So I don’t understand what your conclusion is based on.
      1. saag
        saag 26 December 2013 10: 52
        +3
        Quote: Max Otto
        So I don’t understand what your conclusion is based on.

        there is such a phenomenon in Kazakhstan as "multi-vector", Nazarbayev himself repeated if we leave unions that are disadvantageous to us, and we can adjust to disadvantage and bad mood, the base here is money, and this is a bad base
        1. Max otto
          Max otto 26 December 2013 10: 59
          +1
          Quote: saag

          there is such a phenomenon in Kazakhstan as "multi-vector", Nazarbayev himself repeated if we leave unions that are disadvantageous to us, and we can adjust to disadvantage and bad mood, the base here is money, and this is a bad base

          It is necessary to establish the time period of what was said. Under Yeltsin, I myself would have joined the partisans during the hypothetical arrival of Russian troops in Belarus. But not now.
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 12: 56
        +1
        Quote: Max Otto
        Nazarbayev stood at the origins ...

        he has his own goal, he needs to get the votes of the Russian-speaking population of the Republic of Kazakhstan and he will receive them as the only guarantor of protection from nationalist politicians, and there are more and more such people in the Republic of Kazakhstan.
        But Nazik is not eternal, and the new generation of Kazakhs in Kazakhstan has their own view on relations with Russia and it is not much better than our Natsiks
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 26 December 2013 13: 13
          +3
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          he has his own goal, he needs to get the votes of the Russian-speaking population of the Republic of Kazakhstan and he will receive them as the only guarantor of protection from nationalist politicians, and there are more and more such people in the Republic of Kazakhstan.


          Doubtful argument. It doesn’t matter who votes how, they will still count as it should. Moreover, we do not have an opposition leader. Even among nationalists, I do not see a person to whom I would cast my vote.
          The only politician who could lead the country is Sarsenbayev, but he has been in a grave for seven years.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 13: 48
            +1
            Quote: Zymran
            It doesn’t matter who votes, they will still count as it should.

            Well, it doesn’t interfere with insurance, but the fact remains that Nazika is what many Russian-speaking people perceive as protection from the Nazis.
            and as for weakness, his whole policy regarding interethnic relations speaks of exactly this, the question of language could have been closed already for about 10 years, but the language is needed as a carrot for some and a horror story for others, he never sharply criticized Nazi slogans the national patriots thereby agreeing with their slogans, but they’ve forgiven already reached specific calls on their resources for the destruction of Russians and calls for uprisings in the territories of the Turks in the Russian Federation
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 26 December 2013 13: 55
              +2
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Well, it doesn’t interfere with insurance, but the fact remains that Nazika is what many Russian-speaking people perceive as protection from the Nazis.


              Frankly speaking, no one likes Nazik, neither Russian-speaking nor Kazakh-speaking. It’s just that the former tolerate it for the reasons indicated to you, and also because it does not relent with its integration, the latter because it simply does not have anyone else.
              A simple example: only 8-10 years ago, criticism of the current government on the sites was very rare and basically no one took such critics seriously. They were called oppositionists and a bunch of other offensive words. Now, on the contrary, no one takes seriously the defenders of the current government.

              he has never sharply criticized the Nazi slogans of the natspat, thereby as if agreeing with their slogans


              It is not true. He repeatedly spoke about the inadmissibility of infringement on a linguistic basis. With this I personally agree.

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              and they forgive me have already reached specific calls on their resources for the destruction of Russians and calls for uprisings in the territories of the Turks in the Russian Federation


              Examples please.
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              2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 14: 08
                +2
                Quote: Zymran
                It is not true. He repeatedly spoke about the inadmissibility of infringement on a linguistic basis.

                a game for the public and nothing more, the law on languages ​​in the Republic of Kazakhstan is violated everywhere, he sweetly said nothing about the trick of the Zheltoksanovites
                Quote: Zymran
                Examples please.

                http://www.altyn-orda.kz призыв к уничтожению как минимум трети русского населения в РФ провисел двое суток и был удален только после того как я пообещал сбросить скрины как КНБ так и в ФСБ
                1. Zymran
                  Zymran 26 December 2013 14: 14
                  +3
                  a game for the public and nothing more, the law on languages ​​in the Republic of Kazakhstan is violated everywhere, he sweetly said nothing about the trick of the Zheltoksanovites


                  If there are facts of violation of the law on languages, then contact the appropriate authorities.

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  http://www.altyn-orda.kz призыв к уничтожению как минимум трети русского населения в РФ провисел двое суток и был удален только после того как я пообещал сбросить скрины как КНБ так и в ФСБ


                  Do I again look for similar calls for non-Russians in RuNet or take a word?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 14: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: Zymran
                    Do I again look for similar calls for non-Russians in RuNet or take a word?

                    firstly, the attitude towards skins in the Russian Federation is by no means positive, and secondly, let's catch the difference between news sites that incite a negative attitude specifically to Russians and Russia and sites of a nationalist nature.
                    By the way, I’m not sure that you will find a site whose main task is to provoke a persistent hatred of Kazakhstan and Kazakhs
                    .
                    Quote: Zymran
                    If there are facts of violation of the law on languages, then contact the appropriate authorities.
                    these are not facts, this is already the norm for state organizations, I'm sorry, but I personally at one time said a cop from the court guard said. that no one called the Russians to Kazakhstan, and if they are not happy with something they can bring to Russia and not a single Kazakh was indignant at that, moreover, I was indignant at the proposal to call the outfit and take me to the department, this is everywhere
                    1. Zymran
                      Zymran 26 December 2013 15: 03
                      +3
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      By the way, I’m not sure that you will find a site whose main task is to provoke a persistent hatred of Kazakhstan and Kazakhs


                      And what is the site with the task to cause hatred of Russia or Russian? If you are talking about the Altyn-Horde, then how does the same Russianskz.com differ from it?

                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

                      firstly, the attitude towards skins in the Russian Federation is by no means positive, and secondly, let's catch the difference between news sites that incite a negative attitude specifically to Russians and Russia and sites of a nationalist nature.


                      Frankly, it doesn’t matter to me what kind of attitude Russia has towards skinheads. In general, in my opinion, most Russian Russians are quite adequate people, including in terms of nationalism. At least compared to our Russians. Altyn-Orda is not an anti-Russian, but a Kazakh patriotic site. All the same, you too understand the difference between poor moderation of comments and targeted incitement to national hatred. There are no articles directly calling for this on the site.

                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      these are not facts, this is already the norm for state organizations, I'm sorry, but I personally at one time said a cop from the court guard said. that no one called the Russians to Kazakhstan, and if they are not happy with something they can bring to Russia and not a single Kazakh was indignant at that, moreover, I was indignant at the proposal to call the outfit and take me to the department, this is everywhere


                      And what exactly did you say?
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 15: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: Zymran
                        If you are talking about the Altyn-Horde, then how does the same Russianskz.com differ from it?

                        Well, in the first place it is different for many, it was never suggested on the site to destroy the Kazakhs, on the site there was never an insult to the RK, but there are disputes there, but the frenzied Natsiks are repulsed by the Russians themselves.
                        Quote: Zymran
                        Altyn-Orda is not an anti-Russian, but a Kazakh patriotic site

                        a strange concept of patriotism, Maleev jumps out of cowards just to make nasty things about the Russian Federation -
                        according to history, the first and second Rome fell from the Türks, the third Rome expects the same

                        Putin, when will you die?

                        Russia today is Buryat, tomorrow Tatars, Bashkers, will destroy

                        NOW YOU WILL BE EXACTLY SIT FOR THE REGISTRATION OF A RELATIVE IN THE APARTMENT (forSerik Maleev and selects the names corresponding)

                        The Russians — this is communism, communism — are the USSR, North Korea and Cuba. That is, CARE AND POVERTY.

                        Russians by nature are a nation of fascists, Nazis and executioners

                        Therefore, no one trusts Russia and HATE it everywhere for the seizure and occupation of foreign lands and for the enslavement of hundreds of small nations into slavery. Russia the prison of small nations, naturally the prison of peoples depriving the will and freedom of peoples, nobody can LOVE !!!

                        Russia and Russians have no conscience, did not have and never will. They only need an empire

                        there are softer remarks, but they are more dangerous, since the water sharpens the stone, the task of Maleev and others like him is to create a certain opinion about Russia and the Russians, and he successfully copes with this.
                        this is not a patriotic site, this site is frankly anti-Russian, on it I'm sorry information about the Russian Federation (though filed at a certain angle) more than about Kazakhstan
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 16: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Zymran
                        And what exactly did you say?

                        I said that I needed travel documents, they didn’t give them to me because I was in the zone at the time of my words and that the most interesting thing was not even in Alma-Ata, I demanded that the jambs made by the bailiff service be corrected as a result of which I could not to leave
                      3. Zymran
                        Zymran 26 December 2013 16: 16
                        +1
                        Sorry, but there is a negative attitude towards former convicts.
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                      5. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 16: 32
                        +1
                        Quote: Zymran
                        Sorry, but to the former convicts

                        Well, actually, I was "serving" the sentence at the very moment when I was trying to get the documents, or rather, some idiot made a mistake, as a result of which I was denied permission, not only did they screw up, they also got nasty, and in the end I I was forced to pay a non-existent fine because the bailiff told me, smiling, you can not pay in court in a month, you will prove that this is a mistake, but now we are submitting data to the border, well, after that they said that we (Russians) are not at all here (to Kazakhstan) called
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                2. ed65b
                  ed65b 26 December 2013 18: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  By the way, I’m not sure that you will find a site whose main task is to provoke a persistent hatred of Kazakhstan and Kazakhs

                  There are no such. basically the topic of relations between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Kazakhstan is exaggerated here.
            2. saag
              saag 26 December 2013 14: 41
              +1
              Are you in vain, you just had to reset
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 14: 53
                +1
                sometimes just reading like you boil it all and only after that you start to analyze
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      3. ed65b
        ed65b 26 December 2013 18: 00
        0
        Quote: Zymran
        Sarsenbayev, but he’s been in the grave for seven years

        "Failed" the bloody regime of NAS ???
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        2. Zymran
          Zymran 26 December 2013 18: 10
          0
          Quote: ed65b

          "Failed" the bloody regime of NAS ???


          Oh, that’s a big question. Officially, one large official flunked, allegedly for some insulting remark in an article five years ago. And he even took a loan from a bank to hire killers. It is clear that no one believed in this version, but nevertheless the official sat down.

          More recently, the prosecutor general’s office stated that the true customer was now the disgraced son-in-law of the National Academy of Sciences of Rakhat Aliyev, which is already more plausible.
          1. Clegg
            Clegg 26 December 2013 18: 19
            +3
            Quote: Zymran
            More recently, the prosecutor general’s office stated that the true customer was now the disgraced son-in-law of the National Academy of Sciences of Rakhat Aliyev, which is already more plausible.

            This is a duck, a blow to Abykayev. Most likely the work of Masimov. He wants to deprive the last competitor of chances. Already refuted, it seems about Aliyev’s involvement
            1. Zymran
              Zymran 26 December 2013 18: 26
              +1
              How can this hit Abykaev ?? There were no refutations. They simply began to wag that de Utembaev offered not to kill, but to beat, and when he found out that they would wet, he did not mind, etc. I believe that the customer or, indeed, Aliyev or you yourself know who. I will not write.
              1. Clegg
                Clegg 26 December 2013 18: 35
                +2
                Quote: Zymran
                How can this hit Abykaev ??

                In this case, according to our source, the calculation of Karim Masimov and his team that the former son-in-law will not be silent: “The script is very competent. At one time, Rakhat Aliyev actually directly pointed to the involvement of Nurtay Abykaev in the murder. Now he will not be silent either.

                excerpt from the article
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          2. ed65b
            ed65b 27 December 2013 08: 51
            0
            Quote: Zymran
            Quote: ed65b

            "Failed" the bloody regime of NAS ???


            Oh, that’s a big question. Officially, one large official flunked, allegedly for some insulting remark in an article five years ago. And he even took a loan from a bank to hire killers. It is clear that no one believed in this version, but nevertheless the official sat down.

            More recently, the prosecutor general’s office stated that the true customer was now the disgraced son-in-law of the National Academy of Sciences of Rakhat Aliyev, which is already more plausible.

            AAA understood, heard around the world. that the brother-in-law of Nana burned, there it was whom they failed.
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  • ed65b
    ed65b 26 December 2013 10: 09
    -1
    Quote: saag
    I have the impression that Kazakhstan will fall off as soon as possible

    Kazakhs have little choice either with Russia or under China.
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 26 December 2013 10: 51
      +13
      Quote: ed65b
      Kazakhs have little choice either with Russia or under China.
      Thank you, somehow we ourselves ..
      It’s interesting to build a proposal: both China and under..
      how is Russia so с request ?!?
      Quote: saag
      I have the impression that Kazakhstan will fall off as soon as possible
      Can you recall who was the first to fall from the USSR ?!
      1. saag
        saag 26 December 2013 11: 10
        0
        Quote: Alibekulu
        Can you recall who was the first to fall from the USSR ?!

        Times change - circumstances change too
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 26 December 2013 11: 38
        +2
        Quote: Alibekulu
        It’s interesting to build a proposal: like China, so ..
        how is Russia so with
        And this is because China has no experience of coexistence with the Republic of Kazakhstan, while the Russian Federation does. Here China is all "its" territories and assimilates from itself.
        1. Gecko
          Gecko 26 December 2013 11: 51
          +4
          Yes, China has an example of the settlement of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region. The Uyghurs are trying to rock the boat, but what's the point, if the Chinese now live on this earth much more than the indigenous people. And Kazakhstan, if desired, will be conquered, the people are unmeasured. But we don’t need the land of Kazakhstan, we don’t have enough of our own to populate.
        2. Semurg
          Semurg 26 December 2013 12: 03
          +4
          Come on China nod Russian better than the Chinese assemilate other nations. The only difference between the Chinese is more than a yard and the Russians more than 100lims.
          1. ed65b
            ed65b 26 December 2013 12: 15
            +4
            Quote: Semurg
            Come on China nod Russian better than the Chinese assemilate other nations. The only difference between the Chinese is more than a yard and the Russians more than 100lims.

            And Russia, unlike China, does not carve out a population with a different slit of the eye or a different religion.
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    2. saag
      saag 26 December 2013 10: 53
      0
      Quote: ed65b
      Kazakhs have little choice either with Russia or under China.

      Yes, in Kazakhstan they want both ours and yours
  • Andrey KZ
    Andrey KZ 26 December 2013 14: 49
    +4
    Quote: saag
    I have the impression that Kazakhstan will fall off as soon as possible

    Well, yes, Nazarbayev of 22 of the year insists on the need for integration in order to fall off at the first opportunity.
    1. saag
      saag 26 December 2013 15: 29
      +2
      Quote: Andrey KZ
      Well, yes, Nazarbayev of 22 of the year insists on the need for integration in order to fall off at the first opportunity.

      When he kept repeating, probably thought that he would be in charge there, probably what happened was not what he dreamed
      1. Zymran
        Zymran 26 December 2013 15: 35
        +3
        Most likely it was. The man is old and conceited.
  • treskoed
    treskoed 26 December 2013 09: 34
    +1
    While there is no tangible GDP growth within countries, it is premature to talk about the ECONOMIC Union. So far, only floodlights.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 26 December 2013 09: 45
    +2
    The atmosphere was working, the dissatisfaction of “Batka” was immediately eliminated by another injection into the economy of Belarus, where “Old Man” had vowed not to waste a single dollar. In general, the union blooms and smells. laughing
    1. Bumbik
      Bumbik 26 December 2013 11: 25
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      The atmosphere was working, the dissatisfaction of “Batka” was immediately eliminated by another injection into the economy of Belarus, where “Old Man” had vowed not to waste a single dollar. In general, the union blooms and smells. laughing
      This is one of the few things that I like about Lukashenka: he milks Putin and hangs his long noodles on the ears of a Russian inhabitant who sticks well
      Laughed a little yesterday
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      2. ed65b
        ed65b 26 December 2013 12: 00
        0
        Quote: Bumbik
        Quote: ed65b
        The atmosphere was working, the dissatisfaction of “Batka” was immediately eliminated by another injection into the economy of Belarus, where “Old Man” had vowed not to waste a single dollar. In general, the union blooms and smells. laughing
        This is one of the few things that I like about Lukashenka: he milks Putin and hangs his long noodles on the ears of a Russian inhabitant who sticks well
        Laughed a little yesterday

        100%, and does it with the most serious facial expression. There is something for Abishevich to learn.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 26 December 2013 12: 21
          +1
          Quote: ed65b
          There is something for Abishevich to learn.

          It’s you in vain, Abishevich has not been noticed in begging. And the Belarusian economy, in spite of cheap Russian energy resources, cannot exist without loans and subsidies.
          President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko received a New Year's gift from Russia - another loan. This time at $ 2 billion. The loan term is not burdensome - 10 years. The allocation of a loan to Belarus was almost the only tangible result of the State Council, which lasted 2,5 hours behind closed doors. According to the National Bank of Belarus, almost $ 2,6 billion has been spent on maintaining the Belarusian ruble from January to November this year. In the past few months, the Belarusian ruble has become cheaper by 1,7% per month. Today's exchange rate is 9480 Belarusian rubles per dollar. The course at the beginning of the year is about 8000 bel. rubles per dollar.
          The loan that Lukashenko received on New Year's Eve is not the first loan provided by the Kremlin to fraternal Belarus. The EurAsEC Anti-Crisis Fund (filled mainly with a Russian contribution) back in 2010 approved a $ 3 billion loan for Belarus in tranches during 2011-2013, of which $ 880 million is due to Belarus this year.
          In 2009-2010, the Belarusian authorities received five tranches of loans from the IMF under the stand-by program in the amount of $ 3,46 billion. The last of the tranches of $ 670 million was transferred at the end of March 2010.
          In the foreseeable future, the IMF does not plan to lend to Minsk due to the lack of reforms aimed at improving the balance of payments, reducing external debt and economic growth. According to the forecast, the GDP growth of Belarus this year will not exceed 1,1%. Meanwhile, Belarus urgently needs money not only to maintain the national currency exchange rate, but also to cover external debt.
          The Government of Belarus takes extraordinary measures to raise funds in the domestic market. According to rumors, Minsk is preparing to introduce a tax on the unemployed in the amount of 20 basic units (approximately $ 284).
          “It is extremely difficult to assess the volume of subsidies by Russia of the Belarusian economy. According to expert estimates, the amount of subsidies received by Belarus from Russia is from $ 7 billion to $ 12 billion annually.
          1. Anatole Klim
            Anatole Klim 26 December 2013 12: 26
            +1
            In addition to direct borrowings received from Russia, Belarus uses preferential regimes for the purchase of energy resources. Belarus annually imports about 22,5 billion cubic meters of Russian gas. In 2012, the price was $ 165,6 per 1 thousand cubic meters, in the outgoing year - $ 163, in the next Minsk intends to buy gas at $ 171 per 1 thousand cubic meters. For comparison, the average price of Russian gas for Ukraine, with which Russia does not have “ fraternal bonds ”, in 2012 amounted to $ 425 per 1 thousand cubic meters, in 2013 - $ 410, and in 2014 Ukraine will receive it at $ 268. Moreover, this price implies a 30% discount for the reorientation from the European Union to the Eurasian Union.
            Russia provides Belarus with preferences and for oil in 2014, Minsk plans to purchase Russian oil at $ 391 per ton. This means $ 53,56 per barrel, while the world price of a barrel is currently around $ 112.
            In the first half of 2014, Russia is supposed to supply Belarus with 11,5 million tons of oil (the balance of Russian oil supplies to Belarusian refineries has not yet been signed for the second half of the year). Thus, Belarus will save about $ 460 million.
            “In fact, Russia sells oil to Belarus at an internal Russian price, excluding export duties (about $ 400 per ton). This is a specific integration fee, since no duties are applied in the Customs Union. ”
            “Lukashenko is successfully using this. He knocks out finances and resources from Russia, and fulfills his obligations selectively. In recent years, the Kremlin has been trying to reduce the scope for Lukashenko’s maneuver by tightening the conditions for providing resources, for example, by introducing instead of the annual quarterly approval of the volumes of Russian oil supplies. ”
            http://www.gazeta.ru/business/2013/12/25/5819785.shtml
          2. ed65b
            ed65b 26 December 2013 18: 08
            0
            Quote: Anatol Klim
            It’s you in vain, Abishevich has not been noticed in begging.

            I agree this is so, for the image. hi
  • Bosk
    Bosk 26 December 2013 12: 07
    +2
    One gets the feeling that the "guys" slow down themselves, I certainly understand that "braking is also movement" but I want this process to go as quickly as possible ... perhaps it would have acquired the form of a confederation, I want at least some results ... well, at least at least they would train on the ears ...
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 26 December 2013 12: 17
      0
      Quote: Bosk
      One gets the feeling that the "guys" slow down themselves, I certainly understand that "braking is also movement" but I want this process to go as quickly as possible ... perhaps it would have acquired the form of a confederation, I want at least some results ... well, at least at least they would train on the ears ...

      Yes, patriots of Kazakhstan are going to make you a lieutenant for such speeches. laughing
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 26 December 2013 12: 40
        +1
        But this is not good ... no matter how I was kind of born in Kazakhstan, so we are "anointed" with the same land, kind of like relatives ... well, it cannot be that they will follow the principle of "beat your own so that strangers they were afraid "... otherwise life really wakes up sadness ...
        1. ed65b
          ed65b 26 December 2013 12: 58
          0
          Quote: Bosk
          But this is not good ... no matter how I was kind of born in Kazakhstan, so we are "anointed" with the same land, kind of like relatives ... well, it cannot be that they will follow the principle of "beat your own so that strangers they were afraid "... otherwise life really wakes up sadness ...

          Your word confederation is a red rag for Kazakh patriots, they are like brothers, Ukrainians, independent to the last elastic band in shorts. And you again offer them the Russian yoke, but what about their Turkic pride? only as a result of 75 years of "bloody" liberation struggle from the Uruses got rid of and them back?
          1. Bosk
            Bosk 26 December 2013 14: 39
            +1
            I meant the Confederation of Peoples ..., I already wrote that at the end of the 80s, one very national Baltic party proposed to Gorbachev a draft of the Confederate State on a national basis in order to preserve its identity, language and so on, so on, our "respected" president radically rejected this, well, he did not like what we say to Moscow, they will publish their own Truth, and, say, in Riga, their own ..., well, this party has re-cycled to complete independence where it has achieved not small results ... I mean that it is necessary to somehow stir up so that the Natsiks would not have any trump cards in their hands. Here, of course, you need to rustle with gray matter, we have enough smart people ... well, let them rustle, they get money for this, and not a little!
            1. ed65b
              ed65b 26 December 2013 15: 51
              +1
              Confederation of Russia will not go to confederation is the death of Russia. The federation has just settled down, and then there are 2 wars in the Caucasus, and the confederation is a chain of endless wars of all against all. I think so. Although there was a thought, Shahrai spoke, but immediately dismissed.
            2. avt
              avt 26 December 2013 16: 32
              +1
              Quote: Bosk
              I meant the Confederation of Peoples.

              Quote: ed65b
              Confederation will not go to the Russian Federation; this is the death of Russia. My federation has only settled down, and then there are 2 wars in the Caucasus, and the confederation is a chain of endless wars of all against all. T

              good There is nothing special to add, and not a hunt, I have already spoken on this topic. Remember how Babay Shaimiev got excited at the first urges of Lukashenka to the union state, though he quickly calmed down and removed the requirement to sign the treaty itself as an equal subject of international law, I realized "all the steam went off on a beep.
              Quote: Bosk
              This is to the fact that it is necessary to stir up something like this so that the Natsik would not have any trump cards in his hands.

              And this is actually their main trump card.
              Quote: Bosk
              , I already wrote that at the end of the 80s, one very national Baltic party proposed to Gorbachev a draft of the Confederate State on a national basis in order to preserve its identity, language, etc., our "respected" president radically rejected this ,

              No, the Novoogarevs' gatherings, which Nazarbayev was a part of without being Elbasy, quite imagined a "renewed Union" as a confederation, but with a hunchbacked Kremlin as president. that - "Uncle Vova! The violinist is not needed," and EBoNu really wanted to sit in the Kremlin himself, despite the fact that he always coordinated all his actions with the humpback. So the CIS appeared, the same member, but the view from the side, in the sense without a hunchback in the Kremlin.
          2. Jet
            Jet 26 December 2013 22: 04
            +2
            You would have looked better behind your "elastic in panties", and we ourselves will figure it out ..
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 26 December 2013 22: 06
              -4
              AND AFTER THIS, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A STRONG MANNER OF COMMUNICATION ?!
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  • kelevra
    kelevra 26 December 2013 15: 09
    0
    Such an alliance is needed and its development, of course, is the future for the post-Soviet space. But Ukraine, it seems to me, does not have a definite development point. It feels like it is a man without will, where the wind blew, and staggered there. it has a choice between the CU and the CES, but you need to choose not only the short term in terms of enriching the treasury, but also the long-term - looking at the prospect of maintaining the independence and integrity of the country! And the latter can only guarantee the CU and partnership with Russia. In which case , No one will defend Ukraine, except Russia.
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 26 December 2013 15: 48
      0
      Quote: kelevra
      Such an alliance is needed and its development, of course, is the future for the post-Soviet space. But Ukraine, it seems to me, does not have a definite development point. It feels like it is a man without will, where the wind blew, and staggered there. it has a choice between the CU and the CES, but you need to choose not only the short term in terms of enriching the treasury, but also the long-term - looking at the prospect of maintaining the independence and integrity of the country! And the latter can only guarantee the CU and partnership with Russia. In which case , No one will defend Ukraine, except Russia.

      It is very difficult with Ukraine. here it is necessary to act gradually and progressively 3 presidents of Ukraine brainwashed their citizens about well-fed Europe and wild Russia. They came up with a glamorous sea and a whole list of claims against Russia, raised fascists, recognized and whitewashed the UPA and the Bandera, what now is happening and will turn in the direction of the Russian Federation overnight? GDP correctly conducts politics silently, without dust and loudly public statements. You can do as the west. drive Ukraine into debt and buy everything for 1 ruble, but I think it won’t come to that although there is money.
  • saag
    saag 26 December 2013 15: 55
    0
    Quote: ed65b
    You can do as the west. drive Ukraine into debt and buy everything for 1 ruble, but I think it won’t come to that although there is money.

    This is just not necessary, driven into a corner that the person, that the country is becoming very dangerous because there is nothing to lose. It is necessary, as now, to make you feel the difference how it was before signing and how after with work and salary, after placing orders at Ukrainian enterprises
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 26 December 2013 17: 38
      0
      Quote: saag
      Quote: ed65b
      You can do as the west. drive Ukraine into debt and buy everything for 1 ruble, but I think it won’t come to that although there is money.

      This is just not necessary, driven into a corner that the person, that the country is becoming very dangerous because there is nothing to lose. It is necessary, as now, to make you feel the difference how it was before signing and how after with work and salary, after placing orders at Ukrainian enterprises

      Totally agree. good
  • Zymran
    Zymran 26 December 2013 17: 04
    +2
    Tell me all messages are duplicated? What a mess this is !! am
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 26 December 2013 17: 39
      0
      Quote: Zymran
      Tell me all messages are duplicated? What a mess this is !! am

      It happened when there was no freezing.
  • AliBethani
    AliBethani 26 December 2013 19: 35
    0
    Quote: Romn
    It would be nice to see Ukraine in the ranks, but then why !?

    From a geopolitical point of view. We need a buffer zone between Russia and NATO, a security belt. Remember: about 6 years ago, the Americans were already trying to do bases in Crimea and conduct exercises.
  • Jet
    Jet 26 December 2013 21: 00
    +4
    Personally, I, like many Kazakhstanis, only for all sorts of alliances, all the more favorable for Kazakhstan of international economic cooperation and partnership, especially with the truly fraternal people of Russia (Ukraine and other countries of the union), but only on mutually beneficial conditions, you’ll excuse me if it seems strange to someone. This applies to cars, and consumer goods, and petroleum products, and food, and so on and so forth, prices for which have risen sharply after joining the CU. And please do not take our dissatisfaction with the TS to your personal account) and even more so at the expense of people of Russian or any other nationality, as many here do. We just care about the well-being of our people, and that’s it. As for the political component, then, unfortunately, one cannot exist without the other. Nevertheless, it should be remembered that the last Kazakhs left the USSR! And now the latter will enter (if at all) into his reincarnation.
    PS I want to separately single out the provocateur Vasya, who, sprinkling with saliva, is trying in every possible way to make confusion on the forum, and to thank the moderator for the timely response to this dirt.
  • alone
    alone 26 December 2013 21: 11
    +4
    Even if it is possible to create an alliance, then this alliance should be created by countries that can offer something to each other. An alliance in which one is relatively strong and a mass of weak ones is doomed to failure. It is impossible to become strong allies with weak ones. And no one can prove the opposite .
  • individual
    individual 26 December 2013 21: 53
    0
    "Full freedom of movement of goods should become an example for the implementation of other freedoms in the spheres of services, capital and labor, fixed in the basic agreements of the Common Economic Space."

    It is necessary to add to this that all CSTO treaties should smoothly flow into the defense initiative if there is a single space.
    Creating air defense with Belarus and Kazakhstan, the first steps in this series.
  • scientist
    scientist 27 December 2013 11: 33
    -2
    The creation of EUROSES should be a step towards the further development of the CU and CSTO. However, the CU and the CSTO still need to be developed. There are a bunch of obvious problems and contradictions in the vehicle itself. Within the framework of the CSTO, the technical and foreign policies have not been agreed upon at all, which has long made this alliance paper. Therefore, a further initiative to deepen integration is clearly ahead of time. The leaders of some "multi-vector" countries are forced to sabotage the process for the sake of local national patriots, since they are on foreign funding and the level of their political activity was clearly shown by EuroMaidan.