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The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 24 December 2013

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Ukraine received the first tranche of Russian aid, which, according to the Ukrainian Prime Minister, essentially saved Ukraine from financial collapse. And, as they say in Odessa, who did it bother?

Rinat Akhmetov, the largest Ukrainian oligarch, made a statement, the meaning of which is: Ukraine has been on the European road for three years. Now people don't understand where it goes. And to clarify, went to the Maidan. And this is great. Negotiations between the government and the opposition are needed.

“And let politicians lose their ratings at this table, the most important thing is that Ukraine’s rating goes up,” Akhmetov said. According to the Ukrainian press, the statement was the result of a meeting between Akhmetov and the Deputy Secretary of State of the United States, Victoria Nulland, during which she warned the oligarch about possible problems with his business in the event of forceful dispersal of Maidan. And as a positive incentive, it was proposed to lift the current ban on entry into the United States.

Rinat Akhmetov is the largest Ukrainian tycoon, considered to be Yanukovich’s political “godfather”. That is so rapidly disarmed before the party. Directly in the face of the Washington Regional Committee. That is, let us make it clear: the Ukrainian government is a coalition of magnates, regardless of which political slogans and parties win in certain elections. These magnates need to legalize their capital. What kind of legalization is there if the US is not allowed ?! This is the purpose and meaning of their European choice. Therefore, through the mass media belonging to them, they drove the people to the Maidan, and the politicians belonging to them — to its scene calling for the seizure of power. Virtually paid coup d'état.

In the case of signing an agreement with the European Union, the only chance to avoid default for Ukraine would be the IMF loan on its terms, driving Ukraine into the deepest economic, social and political crisis, the settlement of which would be the introduction of, in fact, external management. For which it was proposed to create a special body - the "Council of Reforms and European Integration" from the emissaries of the IMF and the European Union.

Just like in the famous movie "Heart of a Dog": "We are the new house management of our house. I am Shvonder. She is Vyazemskaya. Comrade Pestrukhin and Comrade Zharovkin."

Of course, external control is the true triumph of “independence”. In fact, the current agreement with Russia - not so much urgent financial investments, which allow to make ends meet, as the restoration of industrial cooperation with Russia, and in the defense industry, not least - is the only chance for the current Ukrainian government stay on and on.

The fact is that all the current Ukrainian politicians, including those who frolicked on the Maidan stage, are clowns, whose ratings, according to Akhmetov’s precise remark, are of little interest to oligarchic puppeteers.

It was in the film "Ivan Vasilyevich Changing Profession" that George Miloslavsky tried in vain to make the Tsar out of the house manager: "Oh, don't look like! Oh, quickie! Give a tooth a tie, or something."

The agreement with Russia gives Yanukovych a unique chance not to be such a clown. The question is whether he can use it.
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  1. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 25 December 2013 10: 43
    +63
    The fact is that all the current Ukrainian politicians, including those who frolicked on the Maidan stage, are clowns, whose ratings, according to Akhmetov’s precise remark, are of little interest to oligarchic puppeteers.

    Not quite correct comparison. Profession of a clown to bring positive emotions to people. The curvature of the pro-NATO homogee litter of the neo-Nazi orientation on the Maidan, especially in conjunction with their star-striped puppeteers, does not cause any other feelings besides disgust and disgust.




    Dmitry Rogozin @Rogozin
    12 December
    Life Former US Permanent Representative to NATO Victoria Nuland is clearly dissatisfied with her henpecked) pic.twitter.com/egS616YNiR

    https://twitter.com/Rogozin


    Brothers Vitaliy and Vladimir Klitschko starred naked in an erotic photo shoot published by the German magazine "MAX", aimed at a homosexual audience.
    In the photo, brothers, completely deprived of clothes, hug each other and pose in frivolous poses, hiding behind soft waffle towels. In general, the photo shoot is sustained in the genre of easy gay erotica.

    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, commenting on the publication, wrote on his Twitter: "Are they sisters?".

    Vitali Klitschko is one of the leaders of Euromaidan, who announced his intention to run for president of Ukraine.

    http://press.try.md/item.php?id=138086
    1. domokl
      domokl 25 December 2013 11: 17
      +25
      In Ukrainian politics, everything is upside down ... Therefore, the insult of the clowns, it seems to me, is somewhat contrived ... There are great clowns, they can be offended, and most of them are just jesters. So, Leontyev probably just made a mistake in determining .. It happens lol
      But in general, as a joke, but raised a big question - why do Ukrainian businessmen need the Ukrainian people in general? Yes, and the authorities too. It’s disturbing under my feet, it’s upsetting myself ... It’s necessary to open the borders with the EU so that the excess will be blamed for Europeans , and the rest shut up and plowed like Ukrainian oxen in ancient times.
      1. A.YARY
        A.YARY 25 December 2013 15: 08
        +6
        Alexander good day
        Why do Ukrainian businessmen need the Ukrainian people in general? Yes, and the authorities too.

        And what, in today's Russia is not the same?
        Would there be a people's power (in Russia) and Ukraine and Belarus would long ago be a single country a-
        so that the extra ones are dumped

        this should apply to any trash maidanuta.
        1. A.YARY
          A.YARY 25 December 2013 15: 11
          +2
          Rogozin
          "Are they sisters?"

          +++++++++++ laughing good
        2. ele1285
          ele1285 25 December 2013 16: 07
          +7
          I understand that the controversy is not with me, but if you let me express my opinion, I'll start with the latter.
          1. Are you sure that everyone was on the Maidan? Maybe someone just bought a ticket and came to see it.
          2. Probably three western regions of Ukraine (11% of the population) consider themselves to be the people (and indeed the real people of Ukraine), who became Ukrainians after the good gesture of Comrade Stalin. And in churches and apartments and huts, photographs of Stalin should hang in a prominent place that they would remember who gave them the opportunity to BE Ukrainians. But you can’t do anything with them, however, like we with the children of the mountains.
          3, In what country of the world in the history of mankind have you seen people's power? And what do you mean by that? My neighbor Fedya Pupkin, a cool guy, gives loans when you do not ask, so let him be the president! And do not care what Fedya knows by force a ton of man, we are the people, and we are the people of power.
          If not, then let us, together with all readers of the site, decide that EVERYONE understands what popular power is and what we want from it.
          Sincerely.
          1. A.YARY
            A.YARY 25 December 2013 17: 31
            +16
            Alexander
            let's, together with all readers of the site, decide that EVERYONE understands what popular power is and what we want from it.

            I am not an absolutist, and was brought up and educated in the USSR.
            In which EVERYTHING was popular.
            You probably often hear "USSR", "scoop" but, nirazu, did not decipher these concepts?
            I will explain
            S-Union (type of state building)
            С -Soviet (mechanism for making decisions and laws, from the word "I consult")
            C - Socialist (the type of definition of ownership ((of something)), the direction of development of society, as well as the designation of this society as social) - (a system in which the basis of production relations is public ownership of the means of production and in which the principle "From each - according to ability, to each according to work ")
            R - I hope the republics do not need a definition.
            The power of the people was defined as the delegation of their rights through selected individuals.
            You will say, "Well, now it is," and you will be right, but ....
            As the saying goes, "The devil is hidden in the little things"
            In the USSR, there was such a thing incomprehensible to the current generation as Her Majesty QUESTIONNAIRE. And believe me until a certain time, if you are not a worker of peasant origin, then the path to the deputies is closed to you.
            How else? Everyone says that "Oh, the boss does not understand anything in the work, but now they have appointed us and now we are toiling!" Here's the correct solution:
            Pie - let’s bake pies!
            Shoemaker - high boots boots!
            And the chosen one to the Supreme Council should represent the largest layer of the country — those who plow and do not wave their hands on the stage, or take off kin or earn fame in the ring, etc.
            This is my understanding.
            From SW.
            1. ele1285
              ele1285 25 December 2013 18: 59
              -20%
              Such ohineya, eyebrows are wrapped.
              Quote: A.YARY


              R - I hope the republics do not need a definition.
              The power of the people was defined as the delegation of their rights through selected individuals.
              You will say, "Well, now it is," and you will be right, but ....
              As the saying goes, "The devil is hidden in the little things"

              .

              You yourself understood what you wrote? Who are you to ask questions for all the people and answer them, pops?
              I am stunned, every sprat will teach.
              I think I will express a general opinion - "we need another Novodvorskaya"
              If anyone is against, minus, you still can’t see it.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 25 December 2013 20: 37
                +5
                Quote: ele1285
                If anyone is against, minus, you still can’t see it.

                - Rude why? I invited you to a dispute in a previous post, they responded to the invitation, for the first time they threw the name of a mighty disappeared country as a seed, put forward counterarguments, and we will vote somehow by estimates.
                We often argue on the topic of the USSR, but argue on arguments and without insults. I think that you can do the same here. And yet - a request not to use foreign curses, especially in the language of diasporas that do not enjoy special appreciation and love on this resource. If you really want to express yourself, there are your own, universally recognized by the international community, the most colorful and emotionally strong expressions. Of these, only four words are prohibited, I do not know which ones.
                1. ele1285
                  ele1285 25 December 2013 21: 02
                  -5
                  understood you and continue to reason like this
              2. DimychDV
                DimychDV 26 December 2013 02: 47
                +1
                Novodvorskikh - at first I thought, even if only one, let it be. Then he looked at her and listened - uh, no, and one too much. But Ardent business says. But there is no one to handle this matter.
        3. akimkatungus
          akimkatungus 26 December 2013 00: 16
          0
          Uv.What is such a people's power? We have already passed it ....... Alexey
      2. Migari
        Migari 25 December 2013 21: 14
        +2
        It’s a shame for the ordinary people of Ukraine, a bunch of filthy freaks impose bondage on the people for their petty benefit, and bastards know very well what will be worse in the country than in Greece, and she is a full member of the European Union, not what Ukraine is offered, an association.
        1. standby
          standby 26 December 2013 00: 49
          +1
          on the advice of Aksakal, using the permitted syllable, I will call the bastards "BITCHES FOR SALE" !!!
    2. matross
      matross 25 December 2013 11: 30
      +32
      Quote: GreatRussia
      Dmitry Rogozin, commenting on the publication, wrote on his Twitter: "So are they sisters?"

      You can’t refuse Rogozin a sense of humor! wink
      Sisters Klitschko - a new brand of Ukrainian opposition pseudo-politics! laughing
      Gay Slavs, damn it ...
      1. Skiff-2
        Skiff-2 25 December 2013 16: 14
        +13
        Quote: matRoss
        Sisters Klitschko - a new brand of Ukrainian opposition pseudo-politics! laughing
        Gay Slavs, damn it ...

        You are mistaken, dear - Klitschko’s sisters are halakhic Jews for mother and grandmother, in the near future political corpses with no chance of resuscitation. In Ukraine, everything will be fine soon.
        1. matross
          matross 25 December 2013 17: 36
          +1
          Quote: Skif-2
          In Ukraine, everything will be fine soon.

          Your words, but to God’s ears! good
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 25 December 2013 20: 45
          +1
          Quote: Skif-2
          In Ukraine, everything will be fine soon.
          -
          Quote: Skif-2
          You are mistaken, dear - Klitschko’s sisters are halakhic Jews for mother and grandmother, in the near future political corpses with no chance of resuscitation.

          - I think so, if these brothers are too active in selling their own homeland. Although they themselves admitted - their homeland is Germany. They earn money there, pay taxes there, keep their capital and families there, and even have friends there - the actor from the good film "Knocking Heaven!" is friends with one of the sisters. Well then, I'll get better - they will be overly active in the German occupation of Ukraine - they will not be just political corpses, but the most that Nina is real! And this is not a threat, but a life experience, I have been living for a long time.
          1. standby
            standby 26 December 2013 01: 00
            0
            It is not clear why they are not corpses yet ?! Sukashvili became a political corpse chewing his tie very well, and his elder sister Klitschko met with him, ate, spoke, and did a lot of things to organize his own political funeral .... He feels support because he is the type of Ukrainian leader who pleasing to the west! There many are standing for their future, not on the Maidan Mudaz..nit and just see clearly.
      2. CALL.
        CALL. 26 December 2013 08: 26
        0
        But the sisters Klitschko dad was an officer of the Soviet Army. That's really what it was. And if they are not fools, and they really are not fools, then they must understand what slavery and poverty they are preparing for the Ukrainian people.
    3. Arberes
      Arberes 25 December 2013 11: 30
      +10
      Quote: GreatRussia
      Life Former US Permanent Representative to NATO Victoria Nuland is clearly dissatisfied with her henpecked) pic.twitter.com/egS616YNiR

      You noticed friends, as in the photo GreatRussia - Tyagnibok extended his head and tensed? He probably thinks that Nuland from his portfolio will now give him a bun!
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    6. Sibiriya
      Sibiriya 25 December 2013 17: 08
      +3
      I absolutely agree with you. They still have tablets on the market - I will not buy expensively and I will sell my homeland at market value.
      1. alone
        alone 25 December 2013 22: 52
        0
        When Leontyev has a shortage of topics - He recalls Ukraine))) laughing
        1. DimychDV
          DimychDV 26 December 2013 03: 00
          +1
          Duc worries everyone. The other thing is clear - you don't just put in your five kopecks, but tell me the case. I live at the end of the world - and that worry. Because - the surname is Ukrainian. After all, these our sworn patriots, having dealt with their "main-eternal" enemies, will then take on us. And I am their fault that it was not them, but my great-grandfather from Ukraine who went here - to master the Far East? Give the nationalist free rein - in five years he will remain within the borders of Muscovy of the 9th century - to deal with the national roots of the Finno-Ugric compatriots. Some fool has invented - Russia is for the Russians! .. And without the Tatars, where would you go - this is the second title in number! And without the Yakuts? (it is they who are the first to say in response to the number of foe - Where are we going to bury you?). And tangerines in the market - are you going to trade yourself, yeah? ..
    7. kargrom
      kargrom 25 December 2013 23: 10
      +1
      I agree with you.
    8. CALL.
      CALL. 26 December 2013 09: 39
      0
      Father Victoria Nuland is a professor of medicine and bioethics at Yale University Sherwin Nuland (English) Russian .. Nuland is of Jewish origin. She studied at the Shoet Rosemary Hall (Eng.) Russian., Graduated from Brown University (Bachelor). He speaks Russian, French and a little Chinese. Married to Robert Kagan, two children.
      Robert Kagan is one of the founders of the New American Century Project (PNAC), one of the signatories of an open letter to President Clinton on the Iraq issue. Robert Kagan's brother is Frederick Kagan. Their father, Donald Kagan, is a well-known neoconservative, antiquologist, an expert on Ancient Greece.
      Help from Wikipedia.
  2. Stiletto
    Stiletto 25 December 2013 10: 43
    +40
    Ukraine received from Russia not a handout and not so much even a large financial loan, but a huge credit of trust. Will Ukraine reciprocate, we will see. Probably not all rabid animals there, ready to lick a hand with a cookie extended by the States, and bite a helping hand extended by Russia.
    1. svp67
      svp67 25 December 2013 10: 55
      +11
      Quote: Stiletto
      Ukraine received from Russia not a handout and not so much even a large financial loan, but a huge credit of trust.

      What LOAN OF TRUST are you talking about ...? They perceive it there as an almost OBLIGATORY Tribute to Russia, for the Holodomor and for all the Oppression that Ukraine suffered from Russia ... This is how the young generation was brought up with them and we should proceed from this, and not turn to the past. Only PRAGMATISM in relation to Ukraine and nothing more, otherwise this "gimp" will never end.
      1. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 25 December 2013 11: 09
        +11
        Quote: svp67
        They are there

        With one single caveat.
        Perceive in the east or in the west of Ukraine?
        1. svp67
          svp67 25 December 2013 12: 25
          +10
          Quote: GreatRussia
          With one single caveat.
          Perceive in the east or in the west of Ukraine?

          Alas, already ALL THROUGHOUT UKRAINE ... Russia did not carry out any work to improve its image in the eyes of young Ukrainians, as a result, forces hostile to Russia took advantage of it and now it is necessary to correct it, otherwise in 10-15 years we may get HARMFUL to us the state ...
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 25 December 2013 14: 14
            +4
            Quote: svp67
            Alas, already ALL THROUGHOUT UKRAINE ... Russia did not carry out any work to improve its image in the eyes of young Ukrainians, as a result, forces hostile to Russia took advantage of it and now it is necessary to correct it, otherwise in 10-15 years we may get HARMFUL to us the state ...

            You're right. The most annoying thing is that we give them billions and all the same bad ones, and Westerners finance pro-Western NPOs, spending only millions on it, and the effect is many times greater than Russian investments.
            1. Genur
              Genur 25 December 2013 18: 56
              0
              Yanukovych seems to me sitting on a chair with two legs - one leg in the North, the second - looking South.
              ... the chair sways from East to West ...
              And here is the Crimea bites the southern leg ...
          2. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 25 December 2013 20: 45
            +4
            Quote: svp67
            Russia did not carry out any work to improve its image in the eyes of young Ukrainians

            Marketing moves on the "political" market, like Nuland with buns on the Maidan?
            The image of the country, as well as the neighboring countries, is created by the media of this very country of the country.
            Guess from 3 times, what image of Russia will be created in the media of Ukraine controlled by Akhmetov and others like them?
            The country's main image maker is its guarantor of the constitution.
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            2. alexng
              alexng 25 December 2013 23: 00
              +3
              Yes, it's late my friend! The mousetrap has slammed shut and now, whatever the Russophobes and opponents of the Russian-Ukrainian rapprochement do not undertake, it will work against them. It is just that no one noticed that the system was overturned in the geopolitical aspect. A steep "hall of joints" has already happened, as in aikido, and now any resistance leads to unbearable pain for the opponent. And the US itself is no longer up to Ukraine, well, the rest of the West does not need it any more, since the State Department stopped pressing them on this issue and switched to the hysteria of an "offended aunt", such as sanctions and blocking of accounts with death wrappers. The world's financial tycoons have already leaked the United States. This always happens when it is done on someone's orders against their will. The elephant was blown away and it seems finally. And orange technologies have recently begun to slip and burst at the seams, since any motivation works only at a short distance, and beliefs built on 100% lies are always "failures" and quickly change the minus sign to plus. hi
              1. DimychDV
                DimychDV 26 December 2013 03: 06
                0
                Somewhere on the Web, it loomed that the States would simply reformat the entire financial and credit system again. When bags like the Rothschilds and Rockefellers take part in this, they can do it. I would quickly scratch the Reserve Fund in place of Putin. I would place it in some nt China, I would also get interest. And so - just throw.
      2. domokl
        domokl 25 December 2013 11: 21
        +11
        Quote: svp67
        That's exactly how the young generation was brought up with them and we should proceed from this, and not look back.

        Alas, there is a great deal of truth in these words. It is sad to repeat this, but Ukraine is just a neighbor and not very good for us. And brotherly feelings, believe me, I visit several Ukrainian sites, old people from 45 and older and a very small part experience Russia. from 30 to 45 ... The rest do not talk about brotherhood at all. Like Poles, for example
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      4. ele1285
        ele1285 25 December 2013 12: 46
        +8
        Quote: svp67
        for the famine and for all the oppression that Ukraine suffered from Russia ... That's exactly how they brought up the young generation

        So who is the one who yells the most about the Holodomor of the 1932-33 years? Western Ukraine, which at that time was not Ukraine, is a provincial Polish province where, according to the Poles, it was traded in a canine.
        1. DimychDV
          DimychDV 26 December 2013 03: 10
          0
          So these "provincials" supply personnel for the American propaganda machine, climb into power with the support of green papers. And the percentage of votes in power influences ideology. When the dislike of such comrades-in-arms coincides - for those who pay, it is enough just to point the right direction and pay for woof.
      5. smith7
        smith7 25 December 2013 17: 48
        +3
        On the part of the Russian Federation, it is pragmatism in the first place. With the implementation of the EuroUkraine project, Russia loses much more than a "big financial loan". This includes investments in revising the national security program, and cooperation in the military-industrial complex, additional investments in economic security. I suppose that even more, there is not enough imagination (otherwise I myself would work in the Russian government smile ) An unfortunate loss of fraternal power on the western border will suck out dough for more than fifty bespont Sochi 2014 (it would be better if they invested so much money in heat and gas supply overhauls! am )
        1. shuhartred
          shuhartred 26 December 2013 00: 49
          0
          Quote: smith7
          sucks dough more than fifty bespontovy Sochi 2014 (

          The most annoying thing is that the Olympics will most likely be a salt with a crushing score. wassat
      6. CALL.
        CALL. 26 December 2013 09: 25
        0
        The myth of the nudistor is closely connected with the myths of Stalin as a bloody tyrant. Meanwhile, according to a Levada Center survey for October 2013. - 48% of Russians and 34% of Ukrainians have a positive attitude towards Stalin. But one of the accusations of Stalin was that he DELIBERATELY starved the peoples of the USSR. If, as we are told by the current ghouls and ghouls dancing on the graves of their ancestors, the task was set to destroy the peasantry, then why was it not brought to the end? Nobody interfered with the Soviet regime. Why, when the United States and its partners, convinced of the failure to overthrow the power in the USSR with the help of internal uprisings of the disaffected people, lifted the embargo on trade with the USSR - grain export from the Soviet Union was completely stopped?
        Instead of inciting hatred for the Russian people, who suffered no less than the Ukrainian, Kazakh and other peoples from the famine of 32-33, one could honor the memory of those peasants who suffered in the name of preserving the sovereignty of a great country. But the tasks are different - to dig as deep as possible a ditch of enmity and alienation between fraternal peoples.
    2. avt
      avt 25 December 2013 11: 25
      +14
      Quote: Stiletto
      Ukraine received from Russia not a handout and not so much even a large financial loan, but a huge credit of trust.

      No, they froze the situation in the state of "Kuchma2" with a loan, further development of the Maidan would lead to a completely Yugoslav scenario in Ukraine. The Russian leadership is not ready for this. But by introducing money as anesthesia, the disease is not cured, conflicts are not eliminated, and it is not a fact that there will be a resource for less painful treatment in the future. Well, the scenarios of development in Ukraine under such realities are quite predictable - bad and very bad. There are no forces that could turn the tide on the spot.
      1. alexng
        alexng 25 December 2013 23: 14
        +2
        Quote: avt
        Well, the development scenarios in Ukraine under such realities are quite predictable - bad and very bad


        For evromaydanutyh? Yes! One day the organizers of this bacchanalia cost 15 lemons of green "toilet paper", which it will soon become. And how do you think this clowning will last for a long time, if the US calamans are no longer up to this, they have an internal fever before the elections to the Senate, and Europe is on its way. Time is playing against the Maydauns now. A severe hangover with a hell of a headache is coming soon. Although, what a headache is a head without brains - there is also a bone, but a hangover will definitely not be pleasant. Here is such a Yoshkin cat.
    3. treskoed
      treskoed 25 December 2013 12: 01
      +4
      Quote: Stiletto
      Ukraine received from Russia not a handout and not so much even a large financial loan, but a huge credit of trust.

      The question is, who personally from the leadership of Ukraine can be trusted?
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 25 December 2013 12: 07
        +6
        Quote: treskoed
        The question is, who personally from the leadership of Ukraine can be trusted?


        The answer is obvious - no one. And Putin made this clear at his press conference, noting that the money is intended not for the leadership, but for the fraternal people. That part of it that deserves to be called that. And the leaders of Ukraine are financed by other "figures".
    4. revnagan
      revnagan 25 December 2013 12: 46
      +12
      Quote: Stiletto
      Will Ukraine reciprocate, we will see.

      Why are you all "Ukraine, Ukraine" ... Have you read the article at all? ". For deals that are smaller in caliber, a discount on gas is a salvation. For that part of the population that is against euro-sanitary meat, a loan is salvation. Personally, I am grateful to Russia and Vladimir Vladimirovich for what he did. Ukraine is more complicated, there is no single "face", as such.
    5. standby
      standby 26 December 2013 01: 10
      0
      Mad animals are definitely not all, but they call Mud @ most of all, because they are mad, and most likely because they’re fucking their country and Russia .. maybe they are half of their compatriots who, by the way, feed them for sale Mosk @ lam think. And also because those who invented all this, were inspired and led by no means were cured by the cookie, and they have licked their hand for a long time ...
  3. major071
    major071 25 December 2013 10: 44
    +11
    The fact is that all the current Ukrainian politicians, including those who frolicked on the Maidan stage, are clowns, whose ratings, according to Akhmetov’s precise remark, are of little interest to oligarchic puppeteers.

    Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! You can’t say more precisely. Who pays you - you dance to the tune of that one, but you will not dance - you are a political corpse.
  4. AX
    AX 25 December 2013 10: 46
    +2
    Russia don’t say, and don’t look - a cash cow ...
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 25 December 2013 10: 54
      +16
      Quote: AX
      Russia don’t say, and don’t look - a cash cow ...

      But this is the only cow in the world that can lie in the teeth. wink
      1. AX
        AX 25 December 2013 11: 14
        +8
        Better already - KICKED ...
    2. Stiletto
      Stiletto 25 December 2013 11: 01
      +6
      Quote: AX
      Russia don’t say, and don’t look - a cash cow ...


      You know, they say: "A thin world is better than a good quarrel." It is better to lend to friends than to get a big problem in the form of a Maidan swamp lured into the LGBT community of "progressive" Europe.
      1. domokl
        domokl 25 December 2013 11: 25
        +7
        Quote: Stiletto
        It is better to lend to friends than to get a big problem in the form of a Maidan swamp lured into the LGBT community of "progressive" Europe.

        On what basis did you decide that they are our friends? Except for the words of course? Based on some kind of historical memory? Or your feelings?
        In order to judge someone, you just need to drop the speakers and look at practical actions. And Ukraine has not been doing friendly actions against Russia for how long.
        1. Stiletto
          Stiletto 25 December 2013 11: 33
          +8
          Quote: domokl
          On what basis did you decide that they are our friends?


          If historical memory, more precisely, more than a thousand-year history of Kievan Rus (our common history) means nothing to you, then the grounds in the form of my feelings will not surprise you even more so.
          Not always in the immediate nickname and Bandera were found, there was and is another, fraternal Ukraine.
          1. zzz
            zzz 25 December 2013 12: 10
            +15
            I agree, there is another Ukraine, which loves Russia. This is Eastern Ukraine, in which all the fraternal peoples of the former USSR are mixed. They all understand about Yanukovych, and about his policies, and about why they live so bad. And they also understand that one cannot break away from Russia. After all, they watch Russian channels and worry about Russia, and hope, oddly enough, for Putin, not for their president. And the west of Ukraine has ALWAYS been against "her." So this is a minority. But a very aggressive minority! They should all know history that Kiev is the mother of RUSSIAN cities. Not a Polish principality ...
            1. Warrawar
              Warrawar 25 December 2013 13: 44
              0
              Quote: zzz
              I agree, there is another Ukraine, which loves Russia. This is Eastern Ukraine, in which all the fraternal peoples of the former USSR are mixed. They all understand about Yanukovych, and about his policies, and about why they live so bad. And they also understand that one cannot break away from Russia. After all, they watch Russian channels and worry about Russia, and hope, oddly enough, for Putin, not for their president. And the west of Ukraine has ALWAYS been against "her." So this is a minority. But a very aggressive minority! They should all know history that Kiev is the mother of RUSSIAN cities. Not a Polish principality ...

              The process is on. Rus-hatred is already spreading in the eastern regions and even in the Crimea.
              1. zzz
                zzz 25 December 2013 22: 49
                0
                I suppose you succeeded in this process?
          2. Warrawar
            Warrawar 25 December 2013 13: 10
            -7
            Quote: Stiletto
            If historical memory, more precisely, more than a thousand-year history of Kievan Rus (our common history)

            As they say, in such cases: "you need to dot the I".
            You are talking about a "common history", but think about who is this story common? You see, the whole point is that, as a rule, only Russians speak of communion with Ukrainians. While the official, state position of Ukraine is a denial of any kinship with Russia and Russians. You have never encountered what Ukrainians call Russian Mongolians, I am a Nazi muzzle, ami / jidofinougors / subhumans and other chauvinistic words? I think they came across, like all those who have access to the Internet. For the experiment, go to any video on YouTube in any way connected with Russia or the Russians, you will learn a lot about yourself, and all the statements posted there in the form comments will be made as a rule by residents of Ukraine.
            Further more. Ukrainians not only deny their kinship with Russians and a common history, but generally deny that Russians are Russians. According to the history that is studied in Ukrainian schools, modern Russians are just impostors who borrowed someone else's name and "stole" someone else's history (Ukrainian). I think many have encountered this too. Here's a look:

            Now a little about the "general history."
            The fact is that we do have a common history, but it is not at all as much as some imagine. There is no common "1000-year" history of "Kievan Rus", it is just a myth that circulates among the ignorant people.
            Firstly, there is no "Kievan Rus" itself, because this term was introduced only in the 19th century, by historians, for the convenience of designating a certain period in the history of ancient Russia. This is the period from the moment of the conquest of Kiev by the Prophetic Oleg and to the death of the ancient Russian state as a result of the Mongol invasion. Besides "Kievan Rus" there are terms - Vladimir Rus, Novgorod Rus, Muscovite Rus, Chervona Rus, Ugorskaya Rus, but these are nothing more than terms , which characterize different territorial affiliation and different stages of development of the Russian state. Russia was one or, to be more precise, the Old Russian State.
            Both Russia and Ukraine originate in that very ancient Rus and we are only related by the fact that the tribes from which the Ukrainians arose and the tribes from which the Russians arose were at one time or another colonized by Rus (Rurik, his descendants and the Varangian squad The period of "common" history we have is far from 1000 years, but only from the moment of the campaign against Kiev in 882 and until the "destruction of the Russian land" at the beginning of the 13th century, that is, 300 years, in the ancient era.
            1. Manager
              Manager 25 December 2013 15: 16
              +4
              Quote: Warrawar
              The fact is that we do have a common history, but it is not at all as much as some imagine. There is no common "1000-year" history of "Kievan Rus", it is just a myth that circulates among the ignorant people.


              I understand that you are about Tartaria and didn’t hear something?
              Hmm, it's a shame that there are people who consider it "Pseudo" history, while proving that all the "Deer".
              In general, I will not even spray. I will only say that since the 18th century, all countries have been actively glossing over the real history of "Tartaria" of the once great state of the "Alliance" which existed for a thousand years.
              Of course, I understand that for you, as well as for me, Wiki is not an authoritative site, but nevertheless, even there there is a mention of Tartary. Or rather, about the peoples who actually bent all of Europe for centuries, or rather, they tried to bend Tartary, but in the end, as in the saying "Whoever comes to us with a sword, we will shove it in the ZhO.
              In general, read and talk with normal historians who know "History" and not "Science Fiction" or "Masterpieces of European Literature" (as I call the Eurogean historians "
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              2. Warrawar
                Warrawar 25 December 2013 15: 38
                -4
                Quote: Manager
                I understand that you are about Tartaria and didn’t hear something?

                Psychiatrists and orderlies really want to hear about "tartaria".


                Quote: Manager
                Hmm, it's a shame that there are people who consider it "Pseudo" history, while proving that all the "Deer".

                History is not "counted" but read. But I think this is not so important for you.


                Quote: Manager
                I will only say that since the 18th century, all countries have been actively glossing over the real history of "Tartaria" of the once great state of the "Alliance" which existed for a thousand years.

                I do not need proof, you just "tell" and I will believe. I will also believe that the "real" history was replaced by the impudent Saxons / US State Department / British Queen / aliens, reptoloids.

                Quote: Manager
                As a matter of fact, for you, as for me, Wiki is not an authoritative site, but nevertheless even there is a mention of Tartaria. Or rather, about the peoples who actually bent all of Europe for centuries, or rather, they tried to bend Tartaria

                The Vikings and Rome have been "nagging" Europe all the centuries, and the European population of Russia is predominantly immigrants from Europe, especially the Slavs, most of whom fled from the western lands from more warlike peoples (for example, the Germans) to more eastern lands.


                Quote: Manager
                In general, read and talk with normal historians who know "History" and not "Science Fiction" or "Masterpieces of European Literature" (as I call the Eurogean historians "

                No thanks, Levashov and Zadornov and the like I will not read (this is not worth the time spent). And you better seek the help of psychiatrists.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 25 December 2013 16: 23
                  0
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  Psychiatrists and orderlies really want to hear about "tartaria".



                2. Manager
                  Manager 25 December 2013 17: 41
                  +3
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  Psychiatrists and orderlies really want to hear about "tartaria".

                  It’s more like going there.
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  History is not "counted" but read. But I think this is not so important for you.

                  Well sealed up, think? request
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  No thanks, Levashov and Zadornov and the like I will not read

                  I did not cite them as an example ... these are your speculations.
            2. smith7
              smith7 25 December 2013 18: 23
              +4
              "Winners write history" is a well-known fact, isn't it? One can recall both the times and the authors (engaged by the "winners") who in different ways describe the events that took place during the times mentioned by the author on the territory of Russia. One can argue about the veracity "to the point of snot and foaming at the mouth," but one thing is indisputable - the historical events described in the documents raise doubts about their reliability. And the fact that Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians are nations with a single ethnic and cultural heritage is indisputable. Whoever tries to argue otherwise is the enemy! And the man in this video is an enemy (there is an option "fumbling, drugged with pride, unreasonable")! And more ... Russians, even if they occupied the territory inhabited by other peoples, did not forcibly suppress the local ethnos, religion, culture. They accepted into a friendly family of the peoples of Russia, fed, protected, educated, developed. And the Europeans? Where cho was not colonized, they sowed death and ruin. India, America, Africa ... etc. Cherokee and Pashto rejoice at Eurocolonization? I do not know of such facts. All nations conquered by Europeans experienced genocide. Are Ukrainians offended at Russia? For what? recourse
            3. Al shahini
              Al shahini 25 December 2013 19: 30
              +4
              Amazing ability to not see the obvious. One of the fundamental principles of historical science is the principle of continuity and causal relationships.
              So Ukraine and Russia and Belarus came out of the Slavic tribes who created their first state - Kievan Rus.

              Part of the Eastern Slavs - Western Ukraine, developed in a different civilizational field alien to Slavs - the Western one. And at the third-rate level. Hence the distortions in the self-consciousness of the Galitsai "historians".
              The purpose of such "historical" delights is to artificially destroy the East Slavic world.
            4. saber1357
              saber1357 26 December 2013 00: 11
              0
              Yeah, another Fomenko discovered America ... or did America pay him for such a "discovery"?
          3. Warrawar
            Warrawar 25 December 2013 13: 11
            -10%
            Quote: Stiletto
            Not always in the immediate nickname and Bandera were found, there was and is another, fraternal Ukraine.

            Whether or not it was a controversial issue. But this is all in the past, and what is important is what we have in the present. But in the present there is not any "fraternal" Ukraine and cannot be, because it contradicts the very concept of Ukraine's existence as a state. There is a densely Russophobic Ukraine, this is it and it is a fact.
            I often enter into polemics here regarding Ukraine, many people do not like my judgments, but you must understand ... Ukraine is not a friendly state and not even a neighbor. Ukraine is our enemy. Therefore, I do not understand the motives of people who periodically express their joy for the "success of the brotherly country." What are you happy about? To be happy for Ukraine is the same as if the inhabitants of the USSR were happy about the success of the "brotherly 3rd Reich".
            One can only rejoice at the inevitability of the death of Ukraine.
            1. Stiletto
              Stiletto 25 December 2013 13: 40
              +6
              Quote: Warrawar
              Ukraine is our enemy. Therefore, I do not understand the motives of people who periodically express their joy for the "success of the brotherly country." What are you happy about? To be happy for Ukraine is the same as if the inhabitants of the USSR were happy about the successes of the "brotherly 3rd Reich." -the inevitability of the death of Ukraine.



              You know, I rarely put cons to anyone here, and I won’t. I believe, and without me grab.
              1. Warrawar
                Warrawar 25 December 2013 13: 46
                0
                Quote: Stiletto
                You know, I rarely put cons to anyone here, and I won’t. I believe, and without me grab.

                And how can you justify it? Or just emotions, but nothing about the case?
                1. Stiletto
                  Stiletto 25 December 2013 13: 53
                  +5
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  And how can you justify it? Or just emotions, but nothing about the case?


                  In the case, I have never perceived Ukraine as an enemy and will not, although the States, Europe, and the Psheks with the Baltic states would only be glad if Russia and Ukraine became fierce enemies. I have already said above that a bad world, for me, is better than a good quarrel with neighbors. I have relatives, friends in Ukraine (not among maydowns, of course). You offer me to look at them in sight?
                  1. Warrawar
                    Warrawar 25 December 2013 14: 02
                    -9
                    Quote: Stiletto
                    In the case, I have never perceived Ukraine as an enemy and will not, although the States, Europe, and the Pshek with the Baltic states would only be glad if Russia and Ukraine became fierce enemies.

                    So nothing depends on your opinion. Russia and Ukraine are in fact fierce enemies. And I explained why.
                    Quote: Stiletto
                    I have already said above that a bad world, for me, is better than a good quarrel with neighbors

                    Controversial statement. Such a "peace" is definitely not better - we will feed the enemy country, in the hope of a "bad peace", but in fact we will simply feed the snake on our chest, for our own destruction.
                    1. Jogan-xnumx
                      Jogan-xnumx 25 December 2013 16: 07
                      +3
                      Quote: Warrawar
                      Controversial statement. Such a "peace" is definitely not better - we will feed the enemy country, in the hope of a "bad peace", but in fact we will simply feed the snake on our chest, for our own destruction.

                      These are the same as you, with dislocated brains, only in the other direction, arranged a Sabbath on the Maidan in Kiev to the "accompaniment" of the Geyropa and the State Department. fool To the same tune, you, my dear, are dancing, trying to prove here with your inventions that we are enemies. The Germans and Austrians also tried in due time. The result is Galicia, hostile to the whole Russian world. You act quite in the spirit of the State Department’s aspirations, and continue to try further. And what do you want to receive for your efforts, friendship and reverence? Such phobes, like you and Korchinsky, will receive nothing else but an enemy attitude towards yourself. Moreover, both from Ukrainians and from Russians.
                      Khrushchev, a native of Ukrainian workers (though born in the Kursk province) strengthened and raised the greatness of the Empire. Ukrainian Brezhnev did the same for the whole Empire. And the Russian Gorbachev turned out to be a Judas, who sold to the Americans both Russians, Ukrainians, and all the rest in bulk, for the right to eat up leftovers in London. Which one is the greater enemy?
                      1. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 25 December 2013 16: 17
                        -3
                        Quote: Jogan-64
                        Khrushchev, a native of Ukrainian workers (though born in the Kursk province) strengthened and raised the greatness of the Empire.

                        Uh-huh, he chopped off the Crimea from Russia and presented it to the "brotherly" Ukraine. A good "builder" of the empire. Low bow to his feet. It would be better if he was sitting on his collective farm.
                        The muzhiks from the plow should do their usual business, and not build "empires".
                        And in general ... the communists are "builders" of the empire, it sounds ridiculous, considering that it was they who destroyed the Russian empire and in every possible way ridiculed imperialism as such.
                      2. Jogan-xnumx
                        Jogan-xnumx 25 December 2013 20: 56
                        0
                        Quote: Warrawar
                        Uh-huh, he chopped off the Crimea from Russia and presented it to the "brotherly" Ukraine. A good "builder" of the empire.

                        Yes, better than some, coupled with Korchinsky and other liberal patriots, who in general are all out of place ... or. Under them, no one looked in the asses of any evops, and the economy with the social sphere was incomparable with the current "freedom and democracy" of theft. So the question is, who will sit on the collective farm, although there will be no use for the current stupid talkers even on the collective farm.
                        Quote: Warrawar
                        Anyway ... the communists are "builders" of the empire, it sounds ridiculous, considering that it was they who destroyed the Russian empire

                        The empire essentially remained under the USSR, and it was the Communists who made it an industrial, technological, highly educated and strong power. The Romanovs and their ilk would need another 300 years of rule to reach the level that the Communists reached in 70. So the question is who started to destroy it and continues to destroy it now. And from this it can be ridiculous only narrowly targeted ...
                        For the rest, except for the kindergarten "be-be-be" according to Khrushchev, as I understand it, there are no arguments. Be there. hi
                      3. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 25 December 2013 21: 44
                        -2
                        Quote: Jogan-64
                        So another question, who should sit on the collective farm

                        To whom to sit on a collective farm, and to whom to lead the state, the people must decide.

                        Quote: Jogan-64
                        The empire essentially remained under the USSR, and it was the Communists who made it an industrial, technological, highly educated and strong power. The Romanovs and their ilk would need another 300 years of rule to reach the level that the Communists reached in 70

                        The empire was industrial and highly developed for its time, of course. According to many criteria, Russia took 1st place in the world and many pioneering discoveries in science were made by Russian intellectuals who were forced to flee from the "spiritual" scoop into the "spiritless" Anglo-Saxon world.
                        And the communists destroyed what was, and then, in 70 years, destroyed what was left. And the current "successors" of the communists continue in the same spirit.
                      4. Russ69
                        Russ69 25 December 2013 21: 51
                        -1
                        Quote: Warrawar
                        But the Communists destroyed what was, and then in 70 years they destroyed what was left.

                        And what are they, so ruined from the industry ...
                        It hurts, this quote resembles a liberal matra. Hmm .., Natsik really in one ecstasy, merged with the liberals ...
                      5. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 25 December 2013 22: 09
                        -3
                        Quote: Russ69
                        And what are they, so ruined from the industry ...
                        It hurts, this quote resembles a liberal matra.

                        They destroyed the country (or rather, even 2 countries) and reduced the people.
                      6. Russ69
                        Russ69 25 December 2013 22: 23
                        0
                        Quote: Warrawar
                        They ruined the country and reduced the people.

                        And what they do, like you. Is it not a collapse? As regards the reduction, not only the Communists tried. And if you give power to the Natsiks, then all the previous bloody history will seem like a small yard fight.
                      7. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 25 December 2013 22: 35
                        -1
                        Quote: Russ69
                        And what they do, like you. Is it not a collapse?

                        More specifically, it is possible that "such" as I am falling apart?
                2. Jogan-xnumx
                  Jogan-xnumx 26 December 2013 00: 32
                  0
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  To whom to sit on a collective farm, and to whom to lead the state, the people must decide.

                  If you are a representative of this "people", then it is understandable why you want to see Khrushchev only on the collective farm. Such wretched "guardians of the people" are haunted by the laurels of the country's leaders recognized by the real people.
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  The empire was industrial and highly developed, of course for its time.

                  Backward by all, practically, criteria, the agrarian empire of the last Romanovs was industrial and highly developed? This nonsense doesn’t even work for first-graders ... laughing 80% of the illiterate population contribute to industrialization and high development? Or did the same 80% of landowners contribute to industrialization? Russia occupied the first place in the sale of grub and raw materials to Europe. And who in pre-revolutionary Russia was engaged in oil production, mechanical engineering, the development of weapons, metallurgy, the extraction of other minerals, construction, and medicine?
                  Many discoveries in the sciences were made by Russian scientists who stayed in Russia, and your nosy intelligentsia, which, except for breezing, knew nothing more, draped where it was beneficial to it.
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  And the Communists destroyed what was, and then, in 70 years, destroyed what was left.

                  I suppose he himself learned at the expense of the Communists, and now it's not shameful to shit in your own trough. Until now, you will never eat what the communists "piled on" ...
                3. shuhartred
                  shuhartred 26 December 2013 01: 14
                  +2
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  The muzhiks from the plow should do their usual business, and not build "empires".

                  and right there
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  To whom to sit on a collective farm, and to whom to lead the state, the people must decide.

                  Contradict yourself dear.
            2. shuhartred
              shuhartred 26 December 2013 01: 12
              +1
              Quote: Warrawar
              Anyway ... the communists are "builders" of the empire, it sounds ridiculous, considering that it was they who destroyed the Russian empire and in every possible way ridiculed imperialism as such

              And what relation do the communists building the empire have to the Bolsheviks who destroyed it?
        2. vilenich
          vilenich 26 December 2013 01: 49
          +2
          Quote: Warrawar
          So nothing depends on your opinion. Russia and Ukraine are in fact fierce enemies.

          Fortunately, nothing depends on your opinion in this case! Nobody seems to have considered the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin as a stupid person and an independent politician, but the fact that he made a decision and extended a helping hand to the Ukrainian people says a lot!
    3. shuhartred
      shuhartred 26 December 2013 01: 10
      +1
      Quote: Warrawar
      Quote: Stiletto
      You know, I rarely put cons to anyone here, and I won’t. I believe, and without me grab.

      And how can you justify it? Or just emotions, but nothing about the case?

      Do you think that you justified something? Seriously?
  • vladek64
    vladek64 25 December 2013 15: 28
    +2
    Quote: Warrawar
    .And in the present there is not any "fraternal" Ukraine and cannot be, because this contradicts the very concept of Ukraine's existence as a state.


    What about Belarus? Also not fraternal?
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 25 December 2013 15: 44
      -5
      Quote: vladek64
      What about Belarus? Also not fraternal?

      Belarus has not yet slipped (so far) into such an abyss of Russophobia as Ukraine, although there are certain progress in this direction.
      Well, well, I'm not looking for "brothers" at all.
      1. zzz
        zzz 26 December 2013 08: 32
        +3
        Quote: Warrawar
        Well, well, I'm not looking for "brothers" at all.


        Then you do not have Internet access to the north pole, there are no neighbors, there are no relatives, there is no one to teach you, and you have no one to live, but a name day of your heart!
  • not main
    not main 25 December 2013 22: 00
    0
    We rejoice not for a handful of oligarchs and officials! We rejoice for the people, for specific people with whom they bore the hardships of military service in all corners of the USSR (and beyond)! For those with a little humpback in half! To whom they trusted their life and for whom they fought to the death!
  • Russ69
    Russ69 25 December 2013 22: 19
    +3
    Quote: Warrawar
    Ukraine is our enemy.

    Oh, you have enemies everywhere. I sympathize...
  • shuhartred
    shuhartred 26 December 2013 01: 08
    +3
    Quote: Warrawar
    Ukraine is our enemy.

    Well, you still invite them to declare war. We’ve reached an agreement already, Ukraine is our enemy! Yeah, Belarus and Kazakhstan are all around with enemies ... h-sh-sh-only to anyone, they are watching us, we are divided one by one, but pasaran. laughing
  • domokl
    domokl 25 December 2013 18: 45
    +3
    Quote: Stiletto
    If historical memory, more precisely, more than a thousand-year history of Kievan Rus (our common history) means nothing to you, then the grounds in the form of my feelings will not surprise you even more so.

    Exactly so ... It still ceased to amaze me in 2008, when Ukrainian guys shot at Russian planes from the Georgian side. They had a historical memory, how developed. And even a little earlier, my people and I were accused of deliberately destroying Ukrainians, etc. n famine ... But most importantly, all the same, those same missiles and bullets that killed Russian soldiers from the hands of Ukrainians in Chechnya and South Ossetia.
    You are right, there is probably another Ukraine. But for some reason it is not visible ... Do you see it working when the country was dragged into the EU by dragging, it does not stand on the Maidan, because it’s not fools. In 1917, in Russia too, the majority just stood aside. And then ...
  • Cristall
    Cristall 25 December 2013 20: 14
    +5
    Quote: domokl
    And Ukraine has not been doing friendly actions against Russia for how long.

    Kharkov agreements for example.
    Didn’t wage a return trade war this year. Strongly against joining NATO .. ​​screams from the memory is not considered.
    There are many friendly actions, but only loud ones are seen ... and they are usually from there ..
  • illarion
    illarion 25 December 2013 16: 18
    0
    I agree. After all, it could even have reached the clashes. The Crimea could start secession, and this is a war, next to us.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 25 December 2013 16: 34
      -1
      Quote: illarion
      I agree. After all, it could even have reached the clashes. The Crimea could start secession, and this is a war, next to us.

      Crimea would separate from Ukraine and reunite with Russia. Crimea in general is part of Russia and was illegitimately alienated from Russia and transferred to the Ukrainian SSR by an illegitimate government.
      1. vladek64
        vladek64 25 December 2013 17: 18
        +1
        Quote: Warrawar
        Crimea would separate from Ukraine and reunite with Russia.

        For this, the Crimean Tatars would have to be evicted from there again. Otherwise, Russia would receive a second Chechnya. Does she need it?
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 25 December 2013 17: 39
          -1
          Quote: vladek64
          For this, the Crimean Tatars would have to be evicted from there again. Otherwise, Russia would receive a second Chechnya. Does she need it?

          Yes, there would certainly be problems with this person (from this fraternity there are always always one problems).
  • makarov
    makarov 25 December 2013 10: 47
    +17
    ".. That is, let's make it clear: the Ukrainian government is a coalition of tycoons, regardless of which political slogans and parties win these or those elections. These tycoons need to legalize their capital ..."

    Many times I said earlier on the site about this. Maidan is also their doing. But for some reason the readers had a different opinion: - Maydanute Bendera, and ... that's all. But the oligarchs simply used the bulk of the people in their own interests, and when they agreed among themselves, they threw people to the mercy and use of politicians who came to the Maidan.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 25 December 2013 10: 48
    +13
    The agreement with Russia gives Yanukovych a unique chance not to be such a clown. The question is whether he can use it.
    Stupid question! Who was Yanukovych long ago understood in Moscow and in the geo-ray. The attempt to sit on two chairs almost brought Ukraine to default. Now the name Tsarev often flickers if they notice him in Moscow and support him and become the one who will be given a real chance.
    1. borisjdin1957
      borisjdin1957 25 December 2013 11: 15
      +7
      from the Don.
      Tsareva to the kingdom!
    2. domokl
      domokl 25 December 2013 11: 33
      +11
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      .Now the name Tsarev often flickers if in Moscow they notice him and support him and become the one who will be given a real chance.

      Hi Sash. They will not notice. Yes, and he has no chance ... Ukrainians will now be faced with a choice, a bunch of obrosh ... shih candidates and a couple of dark horses ... But so dark that they can not understand hu ..Here will choose one of them.
      But our money did not go to salvation, but to buy Ukraine ... Our politicians are studying well. Why fight, when can I buy? Ukraine is sitting on a needle of gas and oil, and now also of bucks ... Russian ... When catching large fish is not only not obligatory, but it is also dangerous to pull it to the shore with all its strength ... The tackle can not stand it, or the face is there ... But after exhausting, then the carcass is half-dead to the shore and .... ..
      1. zzz
        zzz 25 December 2013 12: 40
        +3
        Oh, something tells me that you know, hu from the president of Ukraine 2015 ....
        Better to buy than to sell)))
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 25 December 2013 12: 42
        +3
        Quote: domokl

        Hi Sash. They will not notice. Yes, and he has no chance ..

        Hello! Sanya, if they swell money in him and raise his rating, then it’s easy.
        Quote: domokl
        ..But so dark that who can’t understand hu.

        Well, it's still, a year before the election, slowly they will show the snout.
    3. zzz
      zzz 25 December 2013 12: 26
      +3
      Now Tsarev’s mud is watered by everyone who is not lazy, by the way .... As I understand it, are they afraid of him? ... Or why?
      1. makarov
        makarov 25 December 2013 13: 02
        +4
        Who the hell is afraid of him ??? He's just either frostbitten, or "mows" under this. On the interests of ordinary people he deeply piles, but the oligarchy, those brothers, sisters, and even fathers. depending on capital and level of kinship.
      2. domokl
        domokl 25 December 2013 18: 54
        0
        Quote: zzz
        Now Tsarev’s mud is watered by everyone who is not lazy, by the way

        that's right. It should have been. Chnukovych now needs to launder himself, everyone else too ... And the people are in some parts ... They slipped the switchman. Couples toss off ... Just before the elections they will defame him, and then they will forget everything and all ...
  • 3935333
    3935333 25 December 2013 10: 50
    +14
    2014 will show what and how, but for now the people are preparing for the New Year! The tranche has passed - the economy has started working, the enterprises are plowing, the people will receive salaries and will begin to prepare "Olivier". And let the mad animals freeze further, our people give a shit about them!
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 25 December 2013 10: 51
    +10
    From the very beginning of the Maidan, it was clear that they were interested in European integration with one side Ukrainian oligarchs hiding money "obtained" in Ukraine in Western banks, on the other hand citizens of western Ukraine who dream of legally leaving to work in Europe. And if you're lucky and stay there forever. And in both cases, the common people, who want to live and work in Ukraine, will receive nothing from the union with Europe, except for losses.
  • Altona
    Altona 25 December 2013 10: 54
    +4
    Quote: makarov
    But the oligarchs simply used the bulk of the people in their own interests, and when they agreed among themselves, they threw people to the mercy and use of politicians who came to the Maidan.

    ---------------------------------------
    They seemed to say right away that this was the mainstream of the Maidan Sabbath with "European integration" - to facilitate the export of the loot from the country and duty-free ... The "Bandera-Westerners" have their own concern, to travel to Europe without formalities ...
    1. makarov
      makarov 25 December 2013 11: 51
      +4
      Not. You are wrong. The mainstream is the main provider of our city, he worked as a legal adviser for 2,5 years, so I know for sure that he has no relation to the Maidan laughing
  • VADEL
    VADEL 25 December 2013 10: 56
    +3
    The agreement with Russia gives Yanukovych a unique chance not to be such a clown. The question is whether he can use it.

    Yes, he seems to need to tie his teeth too.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 25 December 2013 11: 01
    +8
    How will the Ukrainian leadership dispose of assistance from RUSSIA?
    It may happen that UKRAINE will eat our help and the old song about EUROINTEGRATION will begin again
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 25 December 2013 13: 05
      +3
      Well, from Yanukovych everything you need to expect: Viktor Yanukovych told a group of Ukrainian journalists in Kiev that the documents signed in the Russian capital do not contradict the course towards economic integration with the European Union.
      “I can provide you with a full package of documents of the interstate Ukrainian-Russian commission, and you will see that there is no contradiction to Ukraine’s course towards any integration,” Yanukovych said.


      см.http://news.finance.ua/ru/~/1/2013/12/21/315381
    2. vilenich
      vilenich 26 December 2013 02: 01
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      How will the Ukrainian leadership dispose of assistance from RUSSIA? It may happen that UKRAINE will eat our help and the old song about EUROINTEGRATION will begin again

      And how to dispose it is possible to estimate. 50% will definitely go to kickbacks, another 20-30 percent will go to patching holes in the budget, but the rest is possible and really will do.
  • slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 25 December 2013 11: 01
    +10
    Ukraine will have to make a choice either smart or beautiful. Russia extended a helping hand ... What time will tell ...
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 25 December 2013 11: 05
    +13
    Dear Ukrainian friends! still not tired of independence with independence? come back home to Moscow!
    1. Jogan-xnumx
      Jogan-xnumx 25 December 2013 16: 21
      +7
      Quote: andrei332809
      Dear Ukrainian friends! still not tired of independence with independence? come back home to Moscow!

      She got sick of the hell !!! We want to go home to the USSR!
      1. zzz
        zzz 25 December 2013 23: 27
        0
        Smiled)))))
    2. Stalinets
      Stalinets 25 December 2013 22: 32
      0
      Better to Russia. Until stripping takes place in Moscow, as in 38, it can be called conditionally Russia. And Russia, it will always remain it. yes
  • AX
    AX 25 December 2013 11: 17
    +16
    My friends in Kharkov, they say that there are a lot of ordinary people who would like to go back ... In the days of the USSR ...
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 25 December 2013 11: 22
      +3
      Quote: AX
      My friends in Kharkov,

      I have cousins ​​in Kievo. are friends in Feodosia, Sevastopol and even in Khmelnitsky
    2. Sochi
      Sochi 25 December 2013 11: 35
      +8
      I am in Russia, but I would also like to go back to the USSR. Only, in one river twice ...
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 25 December 2013 11: 37
        +8
        Quote: Sochi
        Only one river twice

        the river was clean, transparent ... now, they didn’t appreciate it in time, now we tear the hair at the fifth point recourse
        1. Power
          Power 25 December 2013 14: 29
          +6
          As someone says, wrote on the grave of Gagarin "Yura, we are all missed ...". They hoped in the 90s for our government, the KGB, the Army, and there nits started everywhere. So we are sitting now thinking how to get rid of this punks.
          1. aleksandroff
            aleksandroff 25 December 2013 21: 51
            0
            You're not right. Then we also hoped for the USA and the EU. And we "got" something that we still do. But we understood in time. Apparently some kind of historical or genetic memory helped. But Ukraine has been floundering for more than 20 years and everything is there ... When will the brains fall into place. (sorry - it's just a shame for the Power).
            1. DPN
              DPN 25 December 2013 23: 21
              0
              Quote: aleksandroff
              Then we also relied on the United States and the EU.

              Who is hoping for competitors (enemies) in life ????.
        2. major071
          major071 25 December 2013 17: 11
          +6
          now we tear the hair on the fifth point

          Could it be that with such a life, did your hair still remain THERE? laughing
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 25 December 2013 21: 56
            +1
            Quote: major071
            do you still have hair there?

            oh you, oh you !!! teasing again? angry
  • Horn
    Horn 25 December 2013 11: 23
    +8
    Rinat Akhmetov is the largest Ukrainian tycoon, considered the political "godfather" of Yanukovych. So quickly disarmed before the party

    - It's called disarmed. And not in front of the party. It's called headlong ...
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 25 December 2013 12: 03
      -1
      Yes, Akhmetov understands that times are no longer interesting to eat vodka in boxes and bite black caviar from a basin. We must work to create the image of an honest, decent businessman and person in order to get into the international club of selected celestials with an impeccable reputation. It is necessary to amuse your vanity. But, demonstrations near his apartments and offices, especially in Europe, hit the image badly. Not for the sake of Ukraine, he offers to sit at the negotiating table, even sacrificing his political rating to politicians in order to maintain the rating of multi-oligarchs.
      It seems that Yanukovych is becoming a "wedding" president. (They didn't even let him into Russia, Azarov went). Removed from the press and people as much as possible. And the oligarchs will surrender it without regret. in order to defuse the situation and not lose the image of Europe. The oligarchs, with the exception of a few, have long been integrated into Europe and are very afraid of being persona non grata there. It is better to relax on the slopes of the Swiss Alps and flop in the blue of the Mediterranean Sea than on the Sparrow Hills and the pebbles of the cramped beaches of Crimea and the Caucasus. Apparently for this they urgently abolished the indefinite "anti-Maidan". (stopped funding). We are waiting for what will happen next. While the authorities are furious. Activists and journalists are cut and beaten. It's just that instead of the "golden eagle" it was passed on to the vile "aunts".
  • waisson
    waisson 25 December 2013 11: 26
    +2
    I was pleased during the week that finally Russia turned to Ukraine in front, and then all the time stood back
    1. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 25 December 2013 15: 03
      +5
      All this is very similar to a long and painstaking work .. a strategic geopolitical operation to join Ukraine to Russia ... I constantly felt that something was wrong in Putin's behavior (calm ... equanimity) and Yanukovych seems to have been involved in this matter for a long time if not from the very beginning .. In such cases, simple parties in principle do not happen ... If everything grows together between Putin and Yanukovych, then this is simply a brilliant operation that will go down in the history of world politics as a masterpiece of political art
      1. kavkaz8888
        kavkaz8888 25 December 2013 22: 53
        0
        plotnikov561956 (5) Today, 15:03 ↑
        "All this is very much like a long and painstaking work"
        So not only do I have such thoughts in my head? !!!
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 25 December 2013 11: 31
    +5
    And what can the representatives of the US State Department talk about with people who do not have any power in Ukraine at all? The same Klitschko geyboxer, who is he at all? What powers does he have?
    1. Chertkov Oleg
      Chertkov Oleg 25 December 2013 16: 36
      +2
      And what powers can a non-resident have, a "leaky" boxer, maydaun (all in one bottle) - just a dream of the presidency, nothing more.
    2. Stalinets
      Stalinets 25 December 2013 22: 29
      0
      You ask yourself the question, why is the US State Department talking to Klyachko at all? Who promoted him as a boxer in the USA? And in Germany? . For these glorious deeds and untwisted. The time has come to practice the Judas 30 silver coins.
  • individual
    individual 25 December 2013 11: 52
    +3
    M. Leontiev once again emphasized that oligarchs rule politics, and how they agree among themselves, this will be the power.
    So in Russia, the USA, Germany, Japan, the same Syria, where they have no agreement and Ukraine is no exception.
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets 25 December 2013 22: 26
      0
      The secret services rule politics. "OLIGARCHS" is their creation.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 25 December 2013 11: 52
    +6
    Quote from the article:
    The agreement with Russia gives Yanukovych a unique chance not to be such a clown. The question is whether he can use it.

    Question ... WILL they GIVE?
    Since Akhmetov stabbed a knife in the back, the "picture" appears in a completely different light.
  • zzz
    zzz 25 December 2013 11: 53
    +4
    Quote: Stiletto
    Quote: domokl
    On what basis did you decide that they are our friends?


    If historical memory, more precisely, more than a thousand-year history of Kievan Rus (our common history) means nothing to you, then the grounds in the form of my feelings will not surprise you even more so.
    Not always in the immediate nickname and Bandera were found, there was and is another, fraternal Ukraine.
  • polly
    polly 25 December 2013 12: 03
    +13
    The oligarchs and the simple Ukrainian people should have different goals and thoughts about the future, as soon as they fooled people that many went to the Maidan without realizing this, and the Egyptian darkness that is obvious to them ...
    Someone exported to the EU, what they grabbed, successfully run a business there, and someone with a bare ass, and dumplings will not get ...
  • Grbear
    Grbear 25 December 2013 12: 11
    +5
    Well, how much can you break spears? Everything that happens in the post-Soviet space can be reduced to a simple image - the House.

    There was a big house - the USSR. We split up and began to manage. Some according to their own understanding, some on the advice of "knowledgeable" neighbors. In short, they rolled it out and back, as it was, no longer fold (the builders know). Therefore, there is no point in moaning. But we must remember that the foundation, whatever, remained.

    And then, everyone is practically the same. The tops "nakryatnichali" and realized that with this "happiness" they do not like at home, but there they are not expected. They will be allowed to use the "acquired", but on condition that the rats will hand over their homeland for the use of the "needy" monopolies of the West.

    We will assume that the CU countries "slowed down" on this plane and began to collect them somehow. Not without problems, but together and in one direction.

    Whether Ukraine will join, we will feel this before the elections and we will see by their results. But, if the owners of the house do not show a desire to BUILD, then only TIME, Tears and LOSS will help them.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 25 December 2013 12: 44
    +4
    The agreement with Russia gives Yanukovych a unique chance not to be such a clown. The question is whether he can use it.
    There seems to be some progress already. Today I heard that Saakashvili and several other foreigners were banned from entering Uraina.
    1. Anper
      Anper 25 December 2013 14: 59
      +3
      By the way, this is the initiative of that very Tsarev (through the SBU). And 36 more "guests". And on the last day of the session (before the Maidan), Tsarev made a deputy request to the prosecutor's office about the work of the Techcamps in the country.
  • Horn
    Horn 25 December 2013 13: 08
    -2
    Quote: waisson
    I was pleased during the week that finally Russia turned to Ukraine in front, and then all the time stood back

    I hope this does not mean that she was also bent over?
  • misterwulf
    misterwulf 25 December 2013 14: 09
    +2
    In fact, similar processes are taking place in Ukraine as in Russia 12 years ago. The power brought there by the oligarchs is consolidating "around itself" and squeezing the oligarchs not only from political, but also from economic influence on the country. The oligarch is not giving up.
    After all, it's not a secret for anyone that the Nazi "Svoboda" entered the Rada with Akhmetov's money, for example. The government in Ukraine controls only one not the most popular central TV channel in the country. From the rest (Akhmetov-Pinchuk, etc. oligarchs) continuous pouring into the government, the police, etc.
    Now, I think, the authorities will not repeat the mistakes of 9 years ago.
  • homosum20
    homosum20 25 December 2013 14: 43
    +4
    I fully agree with Stiletto. The value of this credit of trust does not depend on the opinion of the Maidan. In difficult times for Russia, our country GIVED TIME to Ukraine to think. The value of such a gift can hardly be overestimated - you usually don’t sell or buy time.
    When I thought about this, at first I couldn’t understand why the GDP gave me money - they still won’t return it. Then he realized - he gave time and opportunity.
    And now it depends on the Ukrainians themselves how they will dispose of it. We certainly cannot help them anymore.
    And we must take into account - this is the land of our ancestors, our land. Lyakham and Livonets we will not give her.
  • Ross
    Ross 25 December 2013 15: 16
    +3
    Quote: matRoss
    Quote: GreatRussia
    Dmitry Rogozin, commenting on the publication, wrote on his Twitter: "So are they sisters?"

    You can’t refuse Rogozin a sense of humor! wink
    Sisters Klitschko - a new brand of Ukrainian opposition pseudo-politics! laughing
    Gay Slavs, damn it ...

    Why did Klitschko become a Slav? With Semitic blood? Like one of the most respected Jews of Ukraine (judging by the published book 100 of famous Jews of Ukraine) Arseniy Yasenyuk (among his just Senya).
    Link about Klitschko: http://goldnike-777.blogspot.ru/2012/02/blog-post_9556.html
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets 25 December 2013 22: 25
      0
      And why did you decide that the Jews are Semites? Ashkinases.
  • Paul
    Paul 25 December 2013 15: 45
    +5
    how got the power, ordinary people have long made a choice FOR THE UNION OF RUSSIA BELARUS AND UKRAINE !!! when is there a politician who will voice and implement this?
  • Paul
    Paul 25 December 2013 15: 46
    +2
    how got the power, ordinary people have long made a choice FOR THE UNION OF RUSSIA BELARUS AND UKRAINE !!! when is there a politician who will voice and implement this?
    1. DPN
      DPN 25 December 2013 23: 12
      0
      About 100 years later, Stepan Razin, Emelyan Pugachev and LENIN, which still does not give liberals peace.
      Of all of us, private traders were made, until each other didn’t bite anything.
  • ars_pro
    ars_pro 25 December 2013 16: 07
    +7
    We’ll see how events develop, I hope it doesn’t reach civil strife, although this option is most beneficial to Western and not only partners, the steps that they will take are surely not aimed at the unity of Ukraine as an integral state. The fact that the people of Ukraine is heterogeneous due to the misfortune, however, they got along like this, most importantly, so that some individuals would not provoke, for the sake of their selfish interests that the West promised, otherwise they can’t get by with regular prevention. So thinking is surprising to me, after me at least a flood, this is for those who want an association with the EU. Not only Yanukovych has a chance, but the whole of Ukraine and Russia in general, too, Russia didn’t fail, the question is that they didn’t give the money to Yanukovych, but to the Ukrainian people, and most of them to eastern Ukraine, since the main cooperation is there. They say that Russia has weakened its influence in Ukraine, is there about the Russian parties or not, what prevents them from creating. In general, I can’t wait for the dotted line on the map between Russia and Ukraine to disappear. I’m for we have one country, I’ve lived 3 years in Russia, it’s true in Moscow, and I didn’t see much difference between people, (I don’t think visitors), maybe a little more severe, since the north makes itself felt . When there was a butch on the Maidan, I was really worried that the next civilian event would not have happened, since the first onslaught would have to be stopped on our own and rely only on ourselves, probably any inhabitant of eastern Ukraine would think so.
  • 020205
    020205 25 December 2013 16: 25
    +2
    How much can you help Ukraine (I'm not talking about pro-Russian citizens) anyway they’ll spit in the back
  • 020205
    020205 25 December 2013 16: 27
    +1
    Quote: GreatRussia
    Brothers Vitaliy and Vladimir Klitschko starred naked in an erotic photo shoot published by the German magazine "MAX", aimed at a homosexual audience.
    In the photo, brothers, completely deprived of clothes, hug each other and pose in frivolous poses, hiding behind soft waffle towels. In general, the photo shoot is sustained in the genre of easy gay erotica.

    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, commenting on the publication, wrote on his Twitter: "So are they sisters?"

    I didn’t publish the link to these same photos for a long time, in 2003 it seemed
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets 25 December 2013 22: 23
      0
      http://moimir.org/bratya-klichko-obnazhyonka-dlya-gej-zhurnala Ссученные иуды . Говно , одним словом .
      1. CALL.
        CALL. 26 December 2013 10: 02
        0
        Over the 20 post-Soviet years, we spent a total of about $ 2,7 billion on the USAID assistance program in Russia. The budget for this program for fiscal year 2012 is approximately $ 50 million.

        Briefing 18.09.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX

        news 20.09.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX Foreign Ministry: USAID must stop working in Russia on time
  • Keeper
    Keeper 25 December 2013 17: 03
    0
    To be honest, I would like to look at those agreements that were signed with Ukraine for those grandmas that Russia gave ...
    And then you can go for a cool walk, and then "bust to the EU" to a heap ...
    I would like a good deal from the tranche!
  • Zheleznyak
    Zheleznyak 25 December 2013 17: 16
    +2
    "The statement was the result of a meeting between Akhmetov and the United States Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nulland" - and everything fell into place.
    Packed into a beautiful democratic candy wrapper, the thesis of freedom of movement of capital has become a tough collar for oligarchs.
    Any actions not authorized by the West provoke a reaction with all the ensuing consequences.
    What kind of wealth are these, having which, a person becomes just a hostage-driven? Who needs such wealth?
    It turns out that the Anglo-Saxons, through Nuland, give more freedom of choice (conscience) to any hard worker than to the oligarchs.
    But the oligarch can simply remain human. That is, to engage in a fight with offenders and cheaters, with the support of reliable comrades.
    Everyone saw what the Anglo-Saxons were doing with their friends, for example, Mubarak, having 86 billion media accounts, had been in a cage for a year in a court in Cairo. Where Kadaffi’s money and what’s done to him don’t need to be told ...
    Advice to Akhmetov, and to everyone who cares - let the Anglo-Saxons leave some numbers on their hard disks, the numbers, like the disks themselves, belong to them. Not numbers, but moral and material resources - this is the wealth and development of both the country and personal.
    There are things that you can’t buy for any money, and having lost, never return.
    I hope these people understand that the next time, which will be sure, they will become the next.
    A contract is more expensive than money, that’s what they need to rely on, we need to be together - this is war.
    As for some loans from the IMF or the World Bank, these "international organizations", in fact, monitor that the measure of all movements in the field of economics and development would be the position of the dollar as world money, and not intended to help.
    In fact, their loans and assistance with the conditions is the opening of the domestic market of superstitious countries to subordinate the Fed. This is supervised through WTO rules.
    This (the subordination of the Fed) is precisely the main goal of the "association".
    I hope our security forces have a plan to protect the borders of the Curzon line. The Anglo-Saxons are already tearing into our house, nowhere to retreat longer, a battle should be fought.
  • escobar
    escobar 25 December 2013 18: 29
    +3
    All Americans are trying to deliver their rockets and radars with us. Many people have simply gone for justice and against bureaucratic lawlessness. A corrupt opposition with their Western hypocrites wants to use this power of the wave. Because the Americans are only afraid of Russia, and here’s the reference to the topic, oh, and I laughed)))))))
    http://news.nado.ua/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=17497:soldat-el
    itnogo-podrazdeleniya-ssha-o-russkix & catid = 340: za-rubezhom & Itemid = 790
  • generalissimo
    generalissimo 25 December 2013 18: 37
    +1
    Oh tsilo! Yakoy garne lad Rinat Akhmetov, the largest Ukrainian oligarch! Go still does not speak, and razmovyvat! Or are you not a gentleman now, iptashi? Since Pan Rinat Akhmetov, it doesn’t sound like a rainbow voice1 And since the fatherland is Kupai (Bashkir folk instrument) iptash Rinat Akhmetov is dancing, and far from gopak, then iptashi (comrades) Mykoly da Gritsky is not your way to the EU, to the mullah to circumcise, convert to Islam and on the rights of some seedy area to join Bashkiria or Tataria? And then you would have order with gas, since in the days of the USSR, the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug half seriously jokingly called the floor Tatar-Donetsk, it came from the national composition of the majority of those working there. Something you Slavs got lost along the way!
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets 25 December 2013 22: 17
      0
      VVP, at one time said that they (therefore, oligarchs, I hate this word) were appointed. And Fedorov told where they were appointed. That's the whole "oligarch" of the Akhmetov. According to rumors, Kuchmin is a bastard.
  • glagol58
    glagol58 25 December 2013 19: 30
    0
    The Ukrainian government is a coalition of tycoons. But is the Russian government not the same coalition?
  • voliador
    voliador 25 December 2013 19: 55
    0
    I always, well, or almost always, enjoy watching Leontyev’s programs. And the xoxles will play out. It is time for them to build their own liberals on the bunk.
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets 25 December 2013 22: 21
      +1
      And what in Russia are all the oligarchs on the bunk? You dream out loud. What GDP does is great. But alas, Russia is too dependent a state. God bless her to be reborn. And further . Do not call Ukrainians, Ukrainians. This is bad manners, not toughness.
      1. Black
        Black 25 December 2013 22: 39
        0
        In all right. Apologies for everyone ..
  • DPN
    DPN 25 December 2013 23: 05
    0
    Do not go to hell with Ukraine, let the people figure out where and how much. The Russians sorted out, a handful of oligarchs formed and a hunger that they urge is suing for their rights until the end of their lives.
    We need to establish life in our country, if decent money is on the stage and on television, then people come here from all over the former USSR like honey. A mermaid with a magic wand forgot how to sing,
    Now teaches borsch on a telly.
    You have to think and take care of your people.
  • Amateur
    Amateur 25 December 2013 23: 57
    +2
    We, Russians, are all offended by Ukrainians for Russophobia, for "sitting on two chairs", for striving to join the EU and for many things that we do not like. But these are the fruits of the hating "education" carried out by the corrupt politicians and the media there on the money of oligarchs (Akhmetov, Firtash, Kolomoisky, Poroshenko, etc.) pursuing their own selfish interests, with the "unobtrusive" help of Western "friends." But you and I are helping them with this, too. Look at your comments on this forum. Continuous Ukrainophobia. What kind of brotherhood is there. I urge everyone: watch the bazaar. There is no need to rub salt on the wounds of ordinary Ukrainian hard workers. It's not easy for them now. And in the publication Leontyev described everything correctly, I fully support!
  • Trinity
    Trinity 26 December 2013 02: 00
    0
    These "oppositional" little ones, not even for silver coins, but for cookies, sold their homeland and hurried to kiss the pen. But a devoted dog always licks the hand that feeds.
  • Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 26 December 2013 07: 47
    +1
    In this case, a terrible end would be better than horror without end. For Russia, for sure.
  • CALL.
    CALL. 26 December 2013 09: 00
    +1
    DimychDV
    Quote: I came up with some kind of idiot - Russia for the Russians! ..

    "Russia for Russians" is a provocative slogan coined by ideological propagandists-saboteurs (foreign agents). It is easy to recognize them, selective protection of human rights (it is possible with them, with us it is impossible), sophisticated demagoguery and outright lies. The real slogan of Russian nationalists: - Russian power to Russia. And the Russian people are all WE are the indigenous peoples of Russia. That really, and not at the behest of the Brezhnev ideologists, a new community of people was formed, I, personally, understood only after the collapse of the USSR.
    The Russian man is strong and invincible when he fights for goals well understood by him. Napoleon also said: "The Russian soldier is not enough to kill, he still needs to be knocked down."
    By the way, I am also from the Far East. A brother szhenoy live in Kiev, Zhulyany.
  • CALL.
    CALL. 26 December 2013 09: 37
    0
    Quote: GreatRussia
    Former US Permanent Representative to NATO Victoria Nuland is clearly unhappy with her henpecked

    ... At the very moment when Moscow was "wooling" NGOs for compliance with Russian laws, the US State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland did not think of anything better than to report at a specially assembled briefing for journalists that the restrictions imposed by Moscow did not stop the United States in its pursuit support non-governmental organizations in Russia. That is, Washington is not going to recognize the sovereign rights of our country, but encourages and encourages both Russian citizens and foreigners who are members of NGOs operating in our territory to violate Russian laws.
    “As you know, the Russian side imposed serious restrictions, (reflected) on our ability to provide direct financing in Russia, taking, in particular, a decision to curtail the activities of the International Development Agency,” said Nuland. “However, we (as before) provide financing ... to those organizations that want to work with us, on the understanding that they must now report on their work to the government.”
    It would seem that there is no crime in this, but Nuland, apparently foolishly, blurted out that the United States, carrying out such funding, uses "mechanisms outside Russia", which allows the representatives of the "fifth column" to avoid the stigma of "foreign agents" so unwanted for them.
    “We don’t want to go into details about how we do this, as this will only jeopardize the program and organizations receiving (American money),” the State Department spokeswoman said.
    http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1157094/
  • CALL.
    CALL. 26 December 2013 09: 58
    +1
    Quote: Warrawar
    So nothing depends on your opinion. Russia and Ukraine are in fact fierce enemies.

    Is that what your owners told you? You really try. You can’t count on the New Year’s award. Only the prize is thirty silver coins.
  • drop
    drop 26 December 2013 10: 26
    +1
    I think it was rightly noted by the majority of readers of "VO" that our power is ....... The tycoon from Ukraine will defend the interests of his money, he does not care about the interests of the people of the country. I have never heard that this tycoon created something new, everything that he owns was created before him. He appropriated it thanks to the policy that we allowed to carry out a certain group of people. These are the same persons as Chubais, Khodorkovsky, Kudrin and many others, hated in our country. I had to set up enterprises in Kiev, Khmelnitsky, Simferopol (Radioimeter, Instrument Plant, Television Plant, a number of research institutes), what a pity that everything went to pieces. The current tycoons have appropriated to themselves what we, our grandfathers, fathers created. Russia cannot be apart from Ukraine, as well as from Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia.
    Please support our President in uniting our efforts to create this union. And with Western Ukraine, the issue is difficult. Back in Soviet times, we experienced great difficulties in Lvov with the "Lenin Production Association" in terms of production, personnel training, quality assurance, etc. I have the honor.
  • CALL.
    CALL. 26 December 2013 10: 48
    0
    Quote: Siberia
    Buy not expensive and Sell Homeland at market value.

    Over the 20 post-Soviet years, we spent a total of about $ 2,7 billion on the USAID assistance program in Russia. The budget for this program for fiscal year 2012 is approximately $ 50 million. Briefing 18.09.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX
    news 20.09.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX Foreign Ministry: USAID must stop working in Russia on time
    In Ukraine, I think, too, a lot of money dumped. Does anyone know how many rubles have been spent on the Usa
    opposition
  • wasilyek
    wasilyek 26 December 2013 11: 33
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    Quote: ele1285
    I understand that the controversy is not with me, but if you let me express my opinion, I'll start with the latter.
    1. Are you sure that everyone was on the Maidan? Maybe someone just bought a ticket and came to see it.
    2. Probably three western regions of Ukraine (11% of the population) consider themselves to be the people (and indeed the real people of Ukraine), who became Ukrainians after the good gesture of Comrade Stalin. And in churches and apartments and huts, photographs of Stalin should hang in a prominent place that they would remember who gave them the opportunity to BE Ukrainians. But you can’t do anything with them, however, like we with the children of the mountains.
    3, In what country of the world in the history of mankind have you seen people's power? And what do you mean by that? My neighbor Fedya Pupkin, a cool guy, gives loans when you do not ask, so let him be the president! And do not care what Fedya knows by force a ton of man, we are the people, and we are the people of power.
    If not, then let us, together with all readers of the site, decide that EVERYONE understands what popular power is and what we want from it.
    Sincerely.

    The same Stalin did the right thing with the children of the mountains very quickly.
    If the current ruler had political will and desire, he would put things in order so quickly with "shooting weddings".
    There is enough space for all the "eagles" beyond the Arctic Circle. Stolypin wagons, too, and sorting for the "lock".
  • wasilyek
    wasilyek 26 December 2013 11: 48
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    Quote: AX
    Russia don’t say, and don’t look - a cash cow ...

    But this is the only cow in the world that can lie in the teeth. wink

    It may fall, but not with the current rulers.
  • CALL.
    CALL. 26 December 2013 15: 12
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    Quote: Z.O.V.
    Meanwhile, according to a Levada Center survey for October 2013. - 48% of Russians and 34% of Ukrainians have a positive attitude towards Stalin.

    Sorry the figure is not accurate. He took it from the speech of N. Starikov. I looked for this performance and did not find it. He said that according to opinion polls, and I thought at the Levada Center. Here are their details:
    To what extent do you agree that our people can never do without a leader such as Stalin who will come and put things in order?

    Memorable dates
    01.2008 01.2012
    I completely agree 10 10
    Rather agree 24 20
    Rather disagree 31 27
    Strongly disagree 19 25
    Difficult to answer 17 10
    Rejection - 8
    At first I was surprised, for 4 years the opinion of Stalin has not changed ?! I judge by my friends and the general tone in the media. If before there was nothing at all in defense of Stalin, now more and more honest people come out in his defense. The answer why the Levada Center will glare over such results I found on their website.
    The Levada Center, together with the Institute of Public Affairs (Warsaw), announces the recruitment of participants in the Training Program for Russian researchers and employees of analytical centers.
    The program is aimed at strengthening the network of research organizations and analytical centers in Russia and Poland, the exchange of opinions, ideas and experience between experts from both countries, as well as at the advanced training of Russian researchers and experts participating in the program. Those who pass the competitive selection are invited to participate in a two-day seminar in Moscow on March 14-15, 2014, during which they will have the opportunity to communicate with leading Russian experts. After that, the program participants will go to Warsaw, where during the week of March 16-22 they will have the opportunity to meet with Polish researchers, get acquainted with the work of the Polish expert community, together with Polish mentors, prepare an expert publication based on their own experience.
    The cost of accommodation and travel expenses is taken by the organizers of the internship. The main working language of the program is English. The deadline for applying for participation is January 31, 2014.
    For more information about the conditions of participation, the content and terms of the program, see the attached documents.
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      zzz 26 December 2013 22: 58
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      Well, the Poles won’t calm down! Well, why don’t our teachers go to Warsaw to convert the Poles to the righteous faith, damn it?