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Russian professional family - what kind of animal? And how many "state" children in Russia?

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Children is our future. This thesis for decades was considered one of the foundations of the Soviet state. To some it seemed banal, but this is precisely the case when the banality of the wording did not affect the relevance of the slogan. And the relevance was obvious as long as a child in our country for a certain circle of people suddenly began to be perceived as an opportunity to make a profit.


Russian professional family - what kind of animal? And how many "state" children in Russia?


Tens and hundreds of thousands of children, deprived of happiness to be brought up in a family, suddenly became hostages of a situation in which far from humanitarian values ​​come to the fore. After the collapse of the USSR, orphans and children left without parental care turned into a commodity, thanks to which all kinds of state, local and non-state shelters were bred, funds of “care” support from foreign patrons. In fact, a special form of slavery was born - child slavery, when a child could, under the guise of adoption, be involved in prostitution, begging, and often sent “for examination” to clinics from which children simply did not return consent by organ donors.

Today, no organization (both public or private) can provide accurate information on how many children over the past two decades have become victims of this black business. There is no clear statistics on how much of the shadow market is associated with the veiled trade in Russian children.
In addition to the formation of a business associated with orphans and those left without parental care, the asocial environment was also cultivated, which was no less involved in the surge in the number of orphans.

If you believe the official statistics of the sample 1986 of the year, in the RSFSR the number of pupils of children's homes at that time was 20,9 thousand people, children from orphanages - 59,3 thousand people from boarding schools for orphans and children left without parental care - about 32 thousand (data from the GA of the RF). It turns out that the total number of orphans and children left without care in the RSFSR in 1986 was 112,2 thousands. According to Pavel Astakhov, the ombudsman for children in Russia, the number of children with the above statuses today is about 643 thousand people. The difference is more than fivefold! This is despite the fact that the population of the RSFSR in 1986 year and the population of modern Russia almost coincide.

What are the main reasons for such a difference in the number, sorry for the term, "state-owned" children? And the main reason is that since the beginning of the nineties, business began to develop in orphaned children and sprout asocial seeds. It is foolish to deny the fact that orphans were not used as an opportunity to earn (the same state hospitals) before the collapse of the Soviet Union, but the scale was completely incomparable. The collapse of the system built over long decades has led to the fact that today the number of orphans and children left without parental care are comparable to the post-war number. And this is not a copyright horror story, as many readers might think. Such information is presented by the above-mentioned Pavel Astakhov.

Obviously, the situation needs to be corrected. And that this will require a lot of effort. It must be admitted that such efforts are being made by the authorities today: this is the emergence of foster families, an increase in the material incentives of those who take up a foster child. The first progress is. About them in an interview "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" told the ombudsman for children in Russia. According to Astakhov, the number of "state-owned" children in Russia over the past year has decreased by about 11 thousand people. Of course, in comparison with the total number of orphans and children left without parental care, 11 thousands is a drop in the ocean. But you need to be aware of the fact that the decline of this gigantic number occurred for the first time in recent years.

As a starting point for reducing the number of children left without parental care in Russia, Pavel Astakhov cites a more correct work of the guardianship agencies. That is, if four or five years ago, the guardianship agencies could carry out a truly lightning work aimed at depriving the mother or father of parental rights, then today the actual removal of the child from the parents, according to the Ombudsman, is carried out as a last resort. In other words, a mother who loves to attach herself to a bottle is given a chance to stay with the child through her refusal of addictions. Another question: how much do people who, let's say, have tasted the fruits of bad habits in full, intend to take the path of correction for the sake of their children? So far, there are obviously less such parents than those who are ready to sell their own child for an extra couple of bottles of vodka or doses.

The problem is systemic. The fact that some modern “mothers” or “fathers” are ready to get rid of their child as if they were having an extra mouth is connected with many factors. One of the weighty factors is the lack of work and life prospects. People often slide into a social abyss, ceasing to realize that they are responsible for both their lives and the lives of those children who are born to them.

Drunk conceptions (including conception under the drug trade) became a real scourge of recent times. Increased cases of childbearing in early adolescence. The reason is not only early sex life as such, but also earlier initiation of alcohol, disregard for traditional morality, the desire to demonstrate to one's peers their “maturity”. And if 25-30 years ago, “school” pregnancy (pregnancy in adolescence) caused persistent public censure (this is, to put it mildly ...), then by today it has become, if not usual, then something quite acceptable.

The number of single mothers in Russia is more than 5 million (according to official statistics). In the USSR, the 1989 sample of the year for women with such status (the population of the USSR in 1989 was twice as large as the population of modern Russia) was 1,4 million. The number of so-called single mothers with many children is growing, only a few of whom can independently provide their children with everything they need. And if a woman is not able to provide for her three, four or more children born out of legal marriage, then there is a high probability that these children will end up under state guardianship by joining the ranks of registered “orphans”, as they say, with a living mother .

Of course, such a mother, who is in a distressed financial situation, should be helped by the state to raise children without taking their mother away from them. But the only difficulty is that there is a considerable circle of women, sorry for the harsh words, presenting themselves as such maternity machines, which should be sponsored by the state. I have often heard the thesis: I give birth from whom I want and as much as I want (or do not even want), and since I give birth to children to the state, it should provide for me and my children, but I don’t need to work ... There is a bottle of booze on the table, but this “mother” will blame everyone around for its troubles, but not on itself. An interesting position, which is associated with a person's lack of personal responsibility for their actions. This, by the way, is one of those cases where children are trafficked.

By the way, one should not lose sight of the so-called “hidden marriages”, in which a man and a woman purposefully live together without marriage registration, so that a woman after the birth of a child can receive the status of a single mother and count on certain preferences from the state. Yes, and the obligations of such parents, both to each other, and to the child born less. Unfortunately, an increasing number of Russians began to arrange such a situation. This is all about social and personal responsibility ...

However, let us return from the essence of the issue related to the appearance in Russia of a large number of “state-owned” children, to the question of what steps the state is going to take to remedy the situation. If in the last year the number of children left without parental care has decreased by 11 thousand, then the trend needs to be fixed. Here is just a new proposal from the Commissioner for the Rights of the Child Astakhov, frankly, strange. Astakhov is going to introduce so-called professional families in Russia. What kind of animal is this - professional family?

This is a family in which both parents raise and maintain a child under an ... employment contract. In other words, people do not just raise a foster child, but in this way work and earn their living. At the same time, the "professional" mothers and fathers should have an appropriate education and even a license. According to Pavel Astakhov, professional families saved the whole of Eastern Europe (Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland and other countries) ...

It turns out that now in Russia there may appear an analogue of a sort of family orphanage with professional parents (the wording itself is somewhat dubious). On the one hand, everything seems to be correct - people will be able to take children under guardianship, work under an employment contract, and therefore the number of "state-owned" children in Russia will drastically decrease. But here's the catch: it may be reduced, but how “homely” will these children be, not on paper, but in practice? Doesn't it turn out that guardianship (“adoption”) under an employment contract will result in orphans finally becoming a commodity for profit?

Of course, for many families (responsible families) an employment contract, which means financing of educational activities by the state, will be a good family help. But today, with a low level of general social and personal responsibility, the emergence of such “professional” parents, for whom “children” and “money” will become synonymous terms, is quite likely. And what kind of upbringing will the child get in a “professional” family, if he understands that he is working for his new “parents”? - The question. It is unlikely that this upbringing will be significantly different from the usual "orphanage" or "boarding". By the way, is it not possible in this case that the “professional” parent, who was just tired of the child, or the child did not bring as much profit as the “pioneer” would like, just break the employment contract - and goodbye, baby! After all, this is an employment contract, which means that it’s a regular job that you can simply change ... Isn't it sacrilege!

The statesmen, in deciding whether to reduce the number of children left without parental care, should first of all remember that you can always deceive paper and statistics, but you cannot deceive children in the end ...
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  1. Stiletto
    Stiletto 25 December 2013 09: 23
    +7
    A parent should be "professional" only from the point of view of providing him with state aid and support. At any attempt to implement the scheme "Children - money - goods" - the sky in the box for a long time, or better - forever!
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 25 December 2013 09: 37
      +6
      Quote: Stiletto
      A parent should be "professional" only from the point of view of providing him with state aid and support. At any attempt to implement the scheme "Children - money - goods" - the sky in the box for a long time, or better - forever!

      Here the emphasis should be placed on selection and control - who should be entrusted with the role of a "professional" parent, and, first of all, look at the willingness to accept the child as one of our own. For example, we do not have orphanages, the entire system of social care is built on such families, and one of the conditions is the presence of our own children and the desire to really help unselfishly, and the money there is very small - that is, the system does not allow profit from this, and for the most part volunteer account, but with the strictest selection.
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 25 December 2013 10: 05
        +3
        Quote: And Us Rat
        Here the emphasis should be placed on selection and control - who should be entrusted with the role of a "professional" parent


        - I agree.

        Quote: Prapor Afonya
        Children can be given for adoption only to those people who take them for education, and not financial enrichment


        Totally agree! hi
      2. Luzhichanin
        Luzhichanin 25 December 2013 12: 46
        0
        Quote: And Us Rat
        For example, we do not have orphanages, the entire system of social care is built specifically on such families

        and how is the moral issue resolved with this approach?
    2. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin 25 December 2013 12: 43
      +3
      Quote: Stiletto
      For any attempt to implement the scheme "Children - money - goods" - the sky in the box for a long time, or better - forever!
      Porem, porem, and things are still there ...
      Not to claim you, I generally figuratively about all of us. The fact is that family destruction programs, including the juvenile, will still be implemented, whether we like it or not. To do this, they use the standard "democratic" mechanism: two steps forward, yeah, they yelled, well, then a step back, calmed down, and we again take you two steps forward, again rage, well, so be it, we are "crap" - a step back .. ...
      And such a scheme works and works quite efficiently! An explicit embodiment of this scheme is the bipartisan system of England: the Wiki and Tories (and later the USA: Democrats and Conservatives): while one party was in power, everything became bad, after the election another came, it seemed to be better at first, and then it got worse. than it was at the first, well, let’s return the old ones at the new elections ... and indeed after the elections it again felt better, and then again on the same rake.

      The best weapon against this practice is the elimination of the problem with your own hands, in this case, we can do everything in our power so that the state does not have so many orphans on its balance sheet, we need to take them to our family.
  2. makarov
    makarov 25 December 2013 09: 36
    +1
    ".. The fact that some modern" mothers "or" fathers "are ready to get rid of their child as from an extra mouth is associated with many factors. One of the significant factors is the lack of work and prospects in life. People often slide into a social abyss, ceasing to realize that they are responsible both for their own life and for the life of those children who are born to them ... "

    What else can I say when everyone knows everything ... Whatever happens in Ukraine, they dispersed orphanages and boarding schools, children were separated into foster families by paying parents quite serious amounts every month, and a complete lack of control both over the children and their upbringing and content. And on paper, - in the reports, everything is very wonderful .......
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 25 December 2013 10: 23
      +9
      I saw the drunks of my parents a lot, very sorry for the children in such families, everyone around suffers from this.
      The solution to such problems should be systemic at the state level.
      And in any case, this should not be given to some dubious private offices with a foreign darling.
      More need educational institutions such as Suvorov schools.
      And the child left without parents should grow up and enter our society confident in their abilities and abilities.
      1. Magadan
        Magadan 25 December 2013 10: 49
        +6
        And I also saw such people and all these children are now more than successful and with strong families! So there is NOTHING bureaucrats to climb into this topic in general! They instantly make half the country alcoholics. And then the children are not in the USA, they will sell it to Italy, where their ends disappear, i.e. from there they will be transported to Kosovo, where the people are disassembled into organs. 250 thousand euros are now given for a kidney.
        There are few examples for you how in our country children of lawlessness seized custody authorities. So type in Yandex at least Zaitsev-Voskresensky. Read about Ms. Pimkina from the guardianship authorities. Read about Lakhova, who is from United Russia and who is for juvenile justice / sexual education.
        Read what children are being taken from American / European families for.
        And it all starts small, like in that fairy tale about a fox that "I just wanted to warm my nose." And of course - everything for "our good with you" and "because I feel sorry for the children."
        Nothing under any slogans to bureaucrats in general to approach the family. The family is an indivisible unit. Just as you can’t split an atom (if you don’t want to explode), you shouldn’t touch the family!
        1. Same lech
          Same lech 25 December 2013 11: 09
          +5
          I always said that children should be taken from dysfunctional families only by court order and only if the child is in danger of death or loss of health due to the fault of the parent.
          I know a case when drunk parents gave a small child parents kept on a chain like a dog and threw scraps of it every few days (a child of seven years old died of starvation).
          In such egregious cases, the child must be removed immediately - without any discussion of the juvenile.
          Another thing is when a social services official begins to understand his purpose in his own way (stuffing pockets with greenery at the expense of dysfunctional parents, by the will of fate incapable of raising children for various reasons)
      2. Felix200970
        Felix200970 25 December 2013 23: 31
        0
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        The solution to such problems should be systemic at the state level.

        In this matter, the state should not smell. Where the state sticks its stumps, such quirks with bangs begin that it becomes scary. The problem lies in the so-called "social protection". Social security money comes from our taxes. As a result of a non-individual approach to this issue, an army of professional idlers appears. "Single mother with many children" is an interesting concept. In Russian, this concept sounds like a "whore" and state aid should be appropriate. The number of "Chernobyl victims" is increasing every year. And no one asks the question "with what joy." You can sit on the neck of fellow citizens all your life and also receive a pension for this
        1. Magadan
          Magadan 27 December 2013 02: 44
          0
          I agree with you completely. Interestingly, for a supporter of juvenile perverts, did you minus?
  3. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 25 December 2013 09: 50
    +5
    Children can be given for adoption only to those people who take them for education, and not financial enrichment, in this situation it is impossible to make a mistake, because there are families worse than orphanages.
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 27 December 2013 02: 46
      0
      Well, yes, but how to define it? And I wonder why the guardianship authorities shirk the question "Why did they not give the child to the relatives?" What, relatives are also drinkers?
  4. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 25 December 2013 10: 21
    +5
    The demon is a chapel going on in our system of guardianship. The state is quite capable of creating good conditions for keeping orphans in orphanages and boarding schools, there would be a desire. and some of the children at some point should be transferred (at the request of the pupil) to the Ministry of Defense. everyone knows very well how difficult it is for a person to integrate into society after an orphanage. and here, whatever they say, the army will bring up at least a disciplined man, and at best a professional soldier. And certainly he will not hang out in search of a way to secure a decent life, as a rule, not in a completely legal way.
  5. hohryakov066
    hohryakov066 25 December 2013 10: 22
    +4
    This whole system needs to be completely "screwed up"! Now all kinds of trustees can take a child away from completely normal parents only because they are not raising him correctly (from the point of view of the trustees). For example, a family of two doctors of science, who decided to live in the village and educate their children on their own, was raided by 9 commissions in a year! In the case when the parents do not stupidly feed or dress their children, the caregivers only throw up their hands and refer to the fact that the child feels better with the mother, even if she has already drunk all her brains and has degraded to the level of a moelcule! stronger this cretinism!
    1. ftgad
      ftgad 25 December 2013 15: 08
      -2
      hohryakov066, answer for the bazaar?
      I love storytellers like you. Do any of your relatives work for you in this system or do you find out everything on this matter via the Internet?
      1. Magadan
        Magadan 27 December 2013 02: 50
        0
        I have been interested in this issue for a long time. And not only through the Internet. And I will tell you that chikatil with breiviks are sitting right in these guardianship bodies you love. They just like to torment people, but the spirit doesn’t have enough to go cut-kill.
        I will answer for the bazaar hohryakov066.
        And you will answer for the bazaar that the guardianship authorities seized children in Russia correctly and fairly?
  6. Egoza
    Egoza 25 December 2013 10: 34
    +4
    I think that the author raised a very important question. Article ++++
    It goes without saying that there should be the strictest control over the work of such families. However, I want to add a little history. "Professional family" or "foster family" - came to us from the West, more precisely from the USA (which is already alarming). However, it should be recognized that not everything that comes "from there" is harmful. There are also teachers and psychologists there who try to work honestly and do something for children. Another thing is that they are not particularly allowed to turn around and they also put a spoke in the wheel. Let's figure it out.
    1. It is no secret that in our orphanages and boarding schools there are many children who are IMPOSSIBLE to adopt, because the parents did not abandon them, there are relatives who, due to their age and material support, cannot take them and support them ... so, they come to the grandmother's holidays to see. to transfer the present - and that's it. Can the full development of such children be ensured in boarding schools? Unfortunately no. Because the teacher on whom 20 - 25 children simply physically cannot endow everyone with warmth and affection, attention ... It turns out - to feed, dress, put on, check (at best, the lessons) and that's it. It's even worse with babies. Maximum development is needed here, but it is not. Moreover, some director-supply managers are not averse to putting a hand in providing for these children. So it turns out that if some of the children are taken to a "professional" family, it will benefit them.
    1. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin 25 December 2013 12: 57
      +3
      Is it not better to help those very poor relatives so that they take the child into the family, the real family, and not these fabrications. Here there is a substitution at the moral level, an attack on family values, on the institution itself - the family!
      And what have the US come to with professional families ??? The orphans themselves are in bulk, but for some reason they go after them to us ...
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 25 December 2013 14: 43
        +1
        Quote: Luzhichanin
        The orphans themselves are in bulk, but for some reason they go after them to us ...

        They go for the disenfranchised. Additionally, a bunch of additional tasks are being solved: aging of Russia, population decline, changes in the ratio of indigenous people to newcomers, material for experiments in the manufacture of biological and other weapons, etc. - I don’t know everything but something like that.
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 25 December 2013 14: 35
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      I think that the author raised a very important question. Article ++++
      It goes without saying that there should be the strictest control over the work of such families. However, I want to add a little history. "Professional family" or "foster family" - came to us from the West, more precisely from the USA (which is already alarming).

      Article + of course, but: pay, employment contract, special education but everything can change and turn into commodity-money relations, as in some European countries the main thing is to adopt a law. We cannot immediately introduce what is practiced in "gender" countries, people will not allow it, but little by little, imperceptibly, with substitutions of what is actually being done.
      If we would like to solve an artificial problem, we would have solved it long ago, here’s a good option: small villages and cities are dying schools, kindergartens and infrastructure are being destroyed under the slogan of unprofitability, lack of children . The cost of keeping children in non-urban areas is lower: housing, food cheaper physical and psychological atmosphere cleaner. In order to prevent abuse, inspection of these institutions, which can include kindergartens at home as neighbors can take an active part in the salary, must be carried out simultaneously by state and public (local) organizations with duplication of functions. All imperfections should be corrected by experience, which should also be provided + a law prohibiting the export of children abroad - they want to adopt, please only within the country and its jurisdiction until adulthood. Talks as if children are better with foster parents in a foreign land are better than in their own country must be stopped! Hard!
      1. Magadan
        Magadan 27 December 2013 02: 53
        0
        Quote: Ivan.
        Talks as if children are better with foster parents in a foreign land are better than in their own country must be stopped! Hard!

        Talk that the state can intrude into the family in general in order to remove the child must be stopped harshly! The maximum that can be discussed is when it is PROVEN that the child is threatened with death or the deliberate infliction of grievous injuries on the part of the parents. And then this child can be passed ONLY to relatives. If there are no relatives, then let the special Suvorov schools open where from childhood they will educate soldiers, as well as girls as nurse / military doctors
  7. marxlight
    marxlight 25 December 2013 10: 40
    +1
    Here again, a good initiative can turn on the hellish path.
    The main thing here is not to turn everything upside down.
    Support for parents of foster children should be only if the fact of creating a family with appropriate good, family relations between its members has been established and verified. This fact should be a priority. And the defining financial support.
    Otherwise, it will be just a business, with all the consequences and injuries.
  8. Magadan
    Magadan 25 December 2013 10: 42
    +3
    Opppaaaa!
    I do not like stuffing about "drunken parents from whom children should be taken away"! DO NOT HORSE bureaucrats from guardianship to hammer the snout into the family !!!! And no good slogans about drunk parents! The parents themselves will send them to an orphanage - another thing, but invade and take? And by what standard will the degree of alcoholism of a parent be measured and who will measure it? Maybe these moral chikatils, that a lot of children have already been taken away, incl. for the fact that the home repair is bad / no firewood / belt for a deuce?
    I studied with guys whose parents (at least one) really got drunk. Absolutely ALL THESE GUYS are now more than successful in life and have strong families, and they are generally indifferent to vodka.
    And Astakhov does not even need to start this topic of taking away children under all sorts of plausible pretexts even from afar! We know a fairy tale about a chanterelle, which at first "only wanted to warm its nose."
    FAMILY DO NOT POOL INTO THE FAMILY !!!!
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 25 December 2013 14: 46
      +2
      Quote: Magadan
      I don't like stuffing

      They always start small, your train of thought is correct.
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 25 December 2013 21: 16
        +1
        Magadan
        I do not like stuffing about "drunk parents from whom children need to be taken away


        All this is just an excuse. In general, the concept of “Drinking Family” is something indefinite.
        But everyone understands that an indefinite value cannot be either a reference point, or some kind of boundary point.
        So it turns out, since the law, due to this uncertainty, cannot determine the boundaries, the guardianship authorities use this term at their discretion, and judges and prosecutors try not to get into those issues that they do not understand.
        But there is one more question - Who said children in public institutions are better ?!
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  9. Egoza
    Egoza 25 December 2013 10: 47
    0
    2. There are people who lost their jobs simply because they closed their kindergarten, boarding school. Good specialists, with education, but they have nowhere to go to work. However, having taken at least 5 children to their upbringing, they conclude a contract. Those. thus, getting a salary, they secure a future pension. It turns out work at home. And it is right. If you are already taking up education, then you need to devote all your time and energy, especially since most of the time we are talking about the development of children who did not receive it while in state. providing. This is not an adoption in the full sense of the word. By the way, children brought up in such families can consider these parents as mother-educators, mother-godparents, and can even meet with their biological relatives.
    3. If the father also goes to "work from home", then this is also not bad. The main thing is that he should give children skills and abilities that children do not receive in our schools now. Yes, purely at home - to fix the iron, to repair something, to do exercises ...
    4. Ie "professional families" are called upon to immediately address the issue of child development and job creation. But, of course, control, control, and control again.
    1. Luzhichanin
      Luzhichanin 25 December 2013 13: 01
      +1
      Egoza, you seem to be a good person, but why are you campaigning for this institution, which is a substitute for the family.
      Why can not a person take orphans to his family, and the state would help?
      What is the difference in these approaches? Yes, only in one thing - in morality. You suggest that we replace the family with something clearly illusory.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 25 December 2013 14: 27
        +1
        Quote: Luzhichanin
        You suggest that we replace the family with something clearly illusory.

        God forbid you! If there is an opportunity to help the family, and this will be done at the state level, I am “FOR” with both hands. There are simply different cases. Just when I was working in RONO, I saw enough of some "mummies" who had children of 7-9 people, but the children were always hungry, torn off, they were fed by everyone who felt sorry for them. And according to the law - figs will deprive such a mother of her rights. For "well, he drinks, so this is not considered a reason for deprivation of maternity rights" And "mommy" becomes impudent - they admonish her, find a job ... and she says "you will perform a lot, I will give birth, and you will pay" !!! So, wouldn't it be better to deprive such a "mother" of money for having children and give it to those who will really look after them?
        In my answers, I just wanted to clarify what is meant by "professional family". After all, with our laws - a paradox - children simply cannot be adopted for real. Either the conditions are not the same, now a lonely woman, then something else. And the children - they have not been abandoned, the mother will sit in prison and go out - she will take care of them ... Ie. a lot of loopholes for officials and the possibility of their earnings on children!
        1. Luzhichanin
          Luzhichanin 25 December 2013 19: 07
          +1
          And what do you think the mechanism of a professional family is so perfect that not a single loophole?
          Quote: Egoza
          for officials and the possibility of their earnings on children!


          Well, you don’t have to be so naive: there is no sense in the law, no matter how good it is, if the performer does not CONSCIENTLY live!

          Quote: Egoza
          Just when I was working in RONO, I saw enough of some "mummies" who had children of 7-9 people, but the children were always hungry, torn off, they were fed by everyone who felt sorry for them. And according to the law - figs will deprive such a mother of her rights. For "well, he drinks, so this is not considered a reason for deprivation of maternity rights" And "mommy" becomes impudent - they admonish her, find a job ... and she says "you will perform a lot, I will give birth, and you will pay" !!! So, wouldn't it be better to deprive such a "mother" of money for having children and give it to those who will really look after them?

          Well, of course, it’s easier to deprive, instead of helping to learn how to live according to CONSCIENCE!
  10. Lk17619
    Lk17619 25 December 2013 10: 59
    +1
    An article in the Criminal Code must be brutally introduced for abandoned children. Maybe then their parents will think with their head to have a child or not.
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 27 December 2013 02: 55
      0
      The child often "happens by accident". Now, all who do not use condoms should be transplanted? Or let them do abortions? No, you can refuse the child, you CANNOT take it away by force
  11. VOLCHOXURAL
    VOLCHOXURAL 25 December 2013 11: 25
    +2
    Well, about that -
    But today, with the present low level of general social and personal responsibility. The problem is systemic. The fact that some modern "mothers" or "fathers" are ready to get rid of their child as an extra mouth is associated with many factors. One of the significant factors is the lack of work and prospects in life. People often slide into a social abyss, ceasing to be aware that they are responsible both for their lives and for the lives of those children who are born to them.
    Then the author, of course, is overly exaggerating (to be honest, it looks like "in br o s"!)! I absolutely do not see such a moral decline in our society! Of course, there are sad moments, but their number is minimal, and not at all a massive phenomenon !!!
    And on account
    Of course, for many families, an employment contract, which means financing of educational activities by the state, will be a good family support.
    Here I am for! A friend of mine wanted sons (assistants), and my wife gave birth to four daughters! He found a receptionist and maybe he can take it. He is not rich, but a hard worker, he does not live in poverty (we are not used to sitting in the Urals, lounging and living in poverty!). Here he will receive state aid very helpful!
  12. andr327
    andr327 25 December 2013 12: 04
    +3
    The state has one task - to give people a decent paid job. Then the family will be strong, and the children will be raised. And fight the cult of money, wealth. Society should not be a society of consumers, but creators. And this is true already ideology, and the Universities everywhere and everywhere on the Central Television, newspapers on the Internet in the first place oligarchs, bandits, police, prostitutes, golden youth and the living elite.
    and nothing else to watch. While this will be, there will be homeless, street children. And the state care for children - sorry, but only free circles and sections can not be found, and free education at school, that kind of money costs ...
    It is necessary to eliminate the cause, not the effect.
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 27 December 2013 02: 58
      0
      Well, well, while such a paradise on earth is not built, what should we do to avoid hell? Allow guardianship bodies to break into the house, suck the parents a pipe so that they breathe on the subject of alcohol? Inspect the apartment for poor repair? Or the lack of oranges in the fridge? And then take away the child, give it to foreign homosexuals? Or maybe sawed into organs in Kosovo?
  13. Luzhichanin
    Luzhichanin 25 December 2013 13: 03
    +4
    Quote: Volodin Alexey
    Is this blasphemy!
    Blasphemy, definitely. Alex, you write correctly. It is necessary to defend family values, despite all the proposed temptations!
  14. Savva30
    Savva30 25 December 2013 13: 43
    +7
    Rave!!! Astakhov himself is the first enemy of the family ... a philosopher. He came to us somehow, he went in (institutions of the city) to the children, the heat, there are no splits, there are no conders, I did not see anything of this, I didn’t help with anything. He went out, filtered out: everything is bad ... and departed. He made a great discovery, as if without him they did not know that repairs were needed, money was needed, etc.
    Somehow I brought my life to the bailiff service, plowed for a year. I can say that there were many alimony cases. But the problem of orphans and single-parent families is not in provision. The problem is that no one pulls daddies from the bottom, no one gives them a job, no one needs these untidy mothers, no one ... If they press someone from debtors to forced labor, the loot goes to the state, not the family. They endured the year conditionally, also no sense. The problem can be solved, but this is a colossal work primarily with parents. The public men are preparing a number of proposals, but to be honest, the situation is beneficial to everyone. Astakhov type of beholder, extras extinction.
    Anyone can be pulled from the bottom, anyone. And the person who abandoned his child should understand that he will pay the rest of his life for his maintenance.
    And further. In practice, I can say that orphans are well provided, another thing is that a lot does not reach them, but this is not our problem, but law enforcement officers. And the fact that they are given apartments is not right, the rooms are okay, but the apartments. In general, we grow up arrogant, self-confident that they are right in everything, a herd, an ungrateful herd, on which everyone is not too lazy to PR. (Of course, not all of them, but I met only with daring kids) And the one who should raise a child calmly lacquer further ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 25 December 2013 14: 36
      +4
      Quote: Savva30
      In general, we grow up arrogant, self-confident that they are right in everything, a herd, an ungrateful herd, in which everyone is not too lazy to PR. (Of course, not all of them, but I met only with daring kids)

      And all because it is necessary to return the MAKARENKO system to the same boarding schools! To teach children to earn their living, to release them from the boarding school prepared for life, having 2-3 working professions. This is what the state should do, if the "parents" have abandoned their children.
      Shl. Literally now they say - "Mom threw a one-year-old child into the arms of her 15-year-old daughter and ran away over the hillock. The eldest raised this child - dropped out of school, but worked wherever she could - the neighbors helped, then she learned to be a cook. The girls lived - from mother to nothing Now, after 7 years !!! has appeared - she demands to dismiss the girls from the apartment, because the apartment is privatized, the eldest is already an adult, the obligation to observe her interests no longer applies to her, and the youngest was not included in her time - only a mother or a father can do it. The trial is coming !!! Mamakhen wants to write them out - sell the apartment and dump them again! am
      1. Ivan.
        Ivan. 25 December 2013 15: 45
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Mamahen wants to write them out - to sell the apartment and dump it again! Where are the children?

        Well, if the law worked simply: for 7 years the rent with interest + for the same time, child support is also with% + a criminal case for a crime against her children, theoretically she is responsible before the law for her children + various little things. Therefore, in theory, there should be confiscation + term or deprivation of citizenship and deportation. But how will it be ... you can only sympathize with the girls ... Ukraine? Your Getman says that the concept of virtual Ukrainian you do not have a single supporting document? Elena?
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIO-vEVlbnk
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 25 December 2013 21: 01
          0
          Quote: Ivan.
          Do you have any supporting documents? Elena?

          I do not quite understand what documents you are talking about. If about my message - so the trial is in full swing and is broadcasted almost completely. And the testimonies of the neighbors, and the carelessness of the guardianship authorities becomes clear - "Why did they not pay attention?" - "And they did not fall into the field of view of the police!" At school - "they studied well, and there is enough work with hooligans!" The trial has now been postponed until January 13. Mother refused to communicate with journalists - she ran away, pulling a hood over her head. Let's see how it ends.
          1. Luzhichanin
            Luzhichanin 26 December 2013 09: 33
            0
            Quote: Egoza
            Now they’re literally transmitting

            The media broadcast a lot of things ... Sensations, shows ...
            Only here is a special case - this is not yet a tendency and has nothing to do with this topic, since it is not an argument in favor of the "professional family" mechanism!
            This argument can be used in relation to the legislation that already exists.
            Fidget, do not adopt the methods of polemic among politicians, remain a sane person! love
      2. alone
        alone 25 December 2013 21: 22
        +1
        Hi Elena! unfortunately, such people as Makarenko are no longer and will not be. Nowadays, few people want to spend time on children who are in orphanages and boarding schools. All are swallowed by one problem-how to earn a lot and most importantly quickly! This is even their children on the drum.
      3. Magadan
        Magadan 27 December 2013 03: 02
        0
        And here is your post with pleasure plus
    2. Magadan
      Magadan 27 December 2013 03: 01
      0
      Astakhov is the promoter of juvenile values. He is simply not as ardent and frantic as Lakhova with Altshuler, but a wolf in sheep's clothing. In Russia, one thing is said, but at juvenile meetings in Sweden, another:

      "" On October 30-31, 2012, the first official visit to Stockholm of the Commissioner under the President of the Russian Federation for the Rights of the Child P.A. Astakhov took place. During the busy program of his stay, the Commissioner held talks with the Secretary of State of the Ministries of Health, Social Affairs and Justice of Sweden. .Marselind and M.Walfridsson, experts of the Swedish government in the field of children's rights protection, and also met with his counterpart - the Ombudsman for the Rights of the Child of Sweden F.Malmberg and visited the Children's Center in Stockholm. A detailed exchange of views on family law issues took place. In general, the approaches of our countries in the field of juvenile justice coincide: both Russian and Swedish ministries are actively working towards protecting the rights of children. Following the talks, an agreement was reached on maintaining working contacts. "
  15. Slavs
    Slavs 25 December 2013 14: 40
    +1
    Wow, as we like to come up with simple solutions to complex problems ... At this time, the professional family is not an option in our country, rather the aggravation of the problem ... it’s more difficult and digging much deeper ... Low level of culture, lack of decent salaries, a mess in all walks of life, moronic TV ... Not an option. In the West, it can be a ride ... But what now is an advanced and developed foreign world, we all know very well ...
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 25 December 2013 15: 52
      +1
      Quote: Slavs
      digging needs to be much deeper ... Low level of culture, lack of decent salaries, a mess in all spheres of life, moronic TV

      But you speak deeper ..., in their own country, the people do not have power.
  16. Avdy
    Avdy 25 December 2013 18: 19
    +4
    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    More need educational institutions such as Suvorov schools.

    Right! Suvorov and Nakhimov schools, where educational function has always been given great importance, train officers from these children, not drug addicts and bandits.
    And for girls - institutes of noble maidens, where from them would be prepared not bl..ey, but worthy wives and mothers.
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 25 December 2013 19: 51
      +1
      Quote: Avdy
      And for girls - institutions of noble maidens

      I agree with the need for separate training, with both hands for Suvorov and Nakhimov for boys, there they will mainly be brought up by disciplined peers, to whom adults will be able to explain that if something happens, they will have to shoulder shoulder to shoulder against a common enemy. But the idea with the institutes for girls is damp: they need not only to become noble girls, but also to get a profession worthy for a noble girl, otherwise they will start looking for husbands among those who can support their own family, where the wife is a housewife ... Competition, marketing ... It will turn out what they left from, and to that they came.
  17. 2я19
    2я19 25 December 2013 18: 25
    +2
    And who said that orphans necessarily need foster parents? What prevents the state from raising these children? Give them education, profession, shelter, the concept of morality? No money? There is! The state does not set itself such tasks, the state is not of that quality. There was no war, and there were 5 times more orphans, and in Grozny there are none, only for one reason, the quality of the state. authorities! At one time, the Soviets solved the problem with street children without foster parents, maybe not too smoothly, but they decided, but now something is stopping ...
  18. a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 25 December 2013 19: 23
    +1
    For a long time there were no grandchildren! But the children did not agree to the adoption - the child is not a toy and can not be returned. And money should not have a relationship with this!
  19. Stanislas
    Stanislas 25 December 2013 19: 40
    +2
    Is it possible that custody (“adoption”) under an employment contract will result in orphans finally turning into goods for profit?
    Those who used to be or are now engaged in this "business", they carefully think over this strange phrase "professional family" before us, I think, even before Astakhov. In terms of the possibility of making a profit in modern conditions. Such laws cannot be passed on the sly, without a broad discussion of alternative national projects for the prevention of orphanhood and the upbringing of children left without parental care, represented by various parties and public associations.
  20. Tyumen
    Tyumen 25 December 2013 21: 01
    +1
    Ask how many times increased the voluntary sterilization of German Germans in East Germany after unification.
    Without the prospect of tomorrow, they stupidly refused to give birth. And we have some non-Russians like rabbits breed.
    Why are they sure?
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 25 December 2013 21: 32
      +1
      Quote: Tyumen
      Without the prospect of tomorrow, they stupidly refused to give birth.

      And who thought their thoughts for prospects? Maybe they became more interested in a childless lifestyle that was not welcomed in the GDR?
      1. Tyumen
        Tyumen 25 December 2013 23: 41
        0
        No, just money was not enough. From now on, everything is paid.
  21. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 25 December 2013 21: 32
    +1
    In general, the institutes of marriage and family in Russia are lost, and in my opinion (a view from today), without a return.
    The fool understands that the well-being of the family directly depends on the employment of the parents and their salary.
    But then it is not clear why the working man in Russia does not raise the bar of wages? (they only raise officials who mold laws based on their condition. But a well-fed hungry man will not understand!)
    Was a month ago on a business trip on Sakhalin - in the central part: - Worker repair crew at the mine receives 15-20 thousand rubles. At the cost of bread 45r., Meat - 300r., Liter of milk 45r, communal apartment 2x room 8-10tysyach, light 3,5r per kW
    Why is maternity capital needed? You give people normal salaries, they themselves will be able to distribute and plan for children and everything else.
    And guardianship advice should help families, not disconnect.
  22. Alex Danilov
    Alex Danilov 25 December 2013 23: 39
    0
    Have a shit juvenile!
  23. DPN
    DPN 25 December 2013 23: 40
    0
    The article is very correct, as it is, now a pension of 5000 rubles is a salary of 10000, the authorities lie and write 30000 in the country, share their income on paper with the people, but for the present, he is in the mouth of the people.
    Therefore, these professional families appear, of course there are exceptions.
  24. Savl
    Savl 25 December 2013 23: 47
    0
    We have such a profession in Belarus - adoptive parent. Yes, there is a allowance for the maintenance of adopted children, but this is far from easy and big money. First of all, you have to be a fan of the idea in order to subscribe to it. Already having my two, I would not have risked it!
  25. corn
    corn 26 December 2013 01: 06
    +1
    Auto RU.
    I know that you are following comments.
    "Currently, the federal data bank on children contains information on almost 109 thousand children who can be placed in families of citizens (under guardianship (guardianship), in a foster family, for adoption)."
    Data for December 17, 2013 Website usynovite.ru (Internet portal of the Ministry of Education and Science, Department of State Policy for the Protection of Children's Rights).
    And even more than half a million children where? What the state has not entered them in the data bank?
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 27 December 2013 01: 27
      0
      I’m afraid that these half a million are no longer in Russia. Homosexuals also need children. And I’m very, very afraid that rumors about cutting children into organs in Kosovo may turn out to be true.
      And everything is "for our good with you." How - "I feel sorry for the children of drinking parents."
      But why didn’t they give the confiscated children back to their relatives? And why did not parents try to cure the LTP? Ah, no LTP anymore? So maybe it's worth starting with this?
  26. Known who
    Known who 26 December 2013 03: 12
    +1
    A foster family is better than an orphanage, but state patronage over all foster families is necessary in order to exclude the possibility of abuse of children in all manifestations
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 27 December 2013 01: 27
      0
      Or maybe it's better to give children to relatives
  27. cdrt
    cdrt 26 December 2013 03: 23
    0
    The topic is important, but.
    And most importantly ... Like the name of the forum "Military Review"
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 26 December 2013 04: 41
      +3
      cdrt
      And most importantly ... Like the name of the forum "Military Review"


      Just the topic.
      Why didn’t you think about the duty to the motherland (the Armed Forces service is the defense of the Fatherland), the youth say that they owe nothing to anyone ?!
      To some extent, she, youth, is right!
      The upbringing of a person’s worldview comes from the cradle. And the children's mind absorbs everything, including the fact that they throw it, they spit on it both in childhood and after that it is taken away from parents whose fault (not all) is only that it is not possible to get settled or become a deputy (with their salary).
      As K. Prutkov said - "Look at the root!" So you need to not only smell the flowers, but also grow them!
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    3. Magadan
      Magadan 27 December 2013 01: 29
      0
      Wars are won by people, not just technology. And soldiers grow out of children. And when the soldier has a normal wife, there is a family for which it’s not scary to die.
      Or do you disagree?
  28. Magadan
    Magadan 27 December 2013 01: 23
    0
    Quote: Egoza
    So, wouldn't it be better to deprive such a "mother" of money for having children and give it to those who will really look after them?

    Ie pick up the children from their mother and give them to those who want to raise the loot in children? Those who have already killed or crippled our children in the USA? The United States pays them money just for foster children, by the way.
    And in Europe the same way - they pay for adopted children.
    Families of homosexuals, in principle, do not need money from the state, they just need children.
    Well, since what do we choose? Drinking parents, but relatives, or those who want to raise money from the state? Or maybe you, uv. Egoza, 3.14 are nicer gifts to foster parents?
  29. Pirotol2010
    Pirotol2010 7 January 2014 15: 32
    0
    The idea itself is not bad, but its implementation in Russia should be under serious control.