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The military began to receive a new field uniform

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The army began to massively change into new field uniforms, refined according to the wishes of the officer soldiers and the recommendations of the Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu.


Its basic all-season kit, consisting of 19 items, takes into account the specifics of service in various types and types of troops, climatic zones and periods of use.

The form was finalized in such a way that it changes even depending on whether the soldier is to run in the training ground (active use phase) or sit in the classroom (passive phase). For each particular day or class, the set of elements of the "vole" became different. Comfortable well-being of soldiers and officers in the heat and cold provides a multi-layered form. Speech - not only in the combination of fabrics and insulation, but also about the possibility of using various items of military wardrobe for everyday wear. They will not only protect the serviceman from temperature extremes, but also play a protective role.

What is fundamentally new in the basic uniforms of soldiers and officers? Let's start with the hats. The main attention is drawn to the cap. She is now with long "ears", which, when lowered, is conveniently attached with velcro under the chin. The military has the ability to make a sun visor from the front valve caps. And on the crown there is a duplicate of the cockade, so moving it from place to place is not required. The cap uses faux fur. But unlike the old stiff bristle, scratching the cheeks and chin, it is softer and in texture resembles a natural tiger-green with a dark green color.

There are major changes in the demi-season suit. His turn-down collar can be turned into a stand-up collar with the help of the same velcro. Now it is not necessary to hem this uniform, and so that it does not rub the soldiers and officers around the neck, the Minister of Defense recommended raising the gate on a protective T-shirt above. Of course, the developers and manufacturers of the field kit took this wish into account.

Among other novelties in a suit - a lightning on a jacket, replacing buttons. And yet - interchangeable fabric strips with the name and initials of the serviceman, indicating the type and type of troops in which he serves. They are made in two forms: with a yellow inscription - for everyday wear, and camouflage - for field occupations. Fastened with velcro on the chest and side pockets. The same interchangeable and two-color are the strips with the emblems of the type or kind of troops. Their place is at the corners of the turn-down collar of the jacket.

As for the epaulettes, they were returned to their usual place a year ago - the shoulders of a serviceman. On straps now put on strips of material with signs of distinction. Asterisks and stars will eventually be embroidered or plastic. But for now the military will have to wear metal insignia.

The so-called multi-layer form, including, provide completely new elements. In particular, fleece jacket, windbreaker, wind-waterproof suit with taped seams and a special membrane, as well as a warmed vest and adjustable scarf-bib. It is also worth mentioning a helmet mask for frosty and windy weather. In expanded form, it resembles the headgear of a police riot policeman, and when assembled, it turns into a sports cap. As for shoes, in the wardrobe of her serviceman now there are three pairs. The developers claim that in the winter berets soldiers and officers will not care even an 40-degree frost.

Unlike the previous set of the 2010 model of the year, it is supposed that the soldiers will wear not a year, but three. Before being transferred to the reserve, the soldier will have to part with this form. The kit will be processed in dry-cleaning, and then, if necessary, will be given to a new owner.

Fully change the army in the field update plan over the next two years. In the meantime, soldiers and officers of eight formations and units of the Central Military District are getting used to it.

The military began to receive a new field uniform















Dmitry Bulgakov, Deputy Minister of Defense, Army General:

- The all-season basic outfit kit is a form of a new generation, in the development of which the most modern fabrics and technologies were used. We sought not only to provide the most effective protection of military personnel in all weather conditions, but also took into account the different levels of training for conscripts and under contract.

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  1. Apologet.Ru
    Apologet.Ru 24 December 2013 11: 37
    +7
    hi
    Finally! Good luck!
    1. Civil
      Civil 24 December 2013 11: 55
      0
      Caps to send to Africa and Latin America, they like everyone there to wear fashion ala peacock during the rut.
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 24 December 2013 11: 58
        +7
        It looks so nice, beautiful. Here the main quality and practicality!
        1. Mitek
          Mitek 24 December 2013 12: 15
          +4
          It should be normal. forbidden to sew in China and from fabrics not of our production.
          1. servant
            servant 24 December 2013 12: 17
            +2
            Is ours better? We do not live in union ...
            1. not main
              not main 24 December 2013 22: 17
              0
              We do not live in union, but ours is much better, and at a demacrotic price! I myself have long been buying shoes and clothes of our manufacturers (including Belarusian ones, especially their knitwear!). Of course there are brands, but I'm used to wearing comfortable and practical clothes that look no worse than brands! But of course, if money weighs on your pocket, then your will can order exclusives!
            2. nikolaxp
              nikolaxp 26 December 2013 00: 10
              +1
              Quote: Servant
              Is ours better? We do not live in union ...

              I’ll tell you that our fabric is better, I’ll explain why, about four years ago, I had to go to a factory for tailoring military uniforms for work, there they just tested and showed a new fabric for this uniform. I was very impressed, the fabric was impregnated with some kind of composition and did not burn at all, no matter how much the lighter was not held under it, at least henna, no trace of it. They also showed heavy-duty fabric from stabs and fragments. And most of all I was impressed by the fabric in special impregnation, xs from what material, but the point is that a person in this form does not shine in the thermal imager except for the face, I think there are balaclava
          2. edge
            edge 24 December 2013 12: 21
            +3
            Quote: Mitek
            It should be normal. banned sewing in china and from fabrics not of our production

            unequivocally, everything is only of native production ..... so you look and restore the textile industry
            1. predator.3
              predator.3 24 December 2013 12: 43
              +5
              Quote: hert
              unequivocally, everything is only of native production ..... so you look and restore the textile industry


              But you are an optimist! In Ufa, for a long time already, all sewing and knitwear factories have been "transformed" into shopping and entertainment complexes, and the same is true throughout Russia! hi
              1. ivshubarin
                ivshubarin 24 December 2013 13: 17
                +2
                Your truth, we have only one workshop left from the sewing factory, they sew in a high-quality, but expensive way, especially in comparison with the Chinese
                1. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 24 December 2013 14: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: ivshubarin
                  we have only one workshop left from the sewing factory, they sew in a high-quality, but expensive, especially compared to the Chinese

                  And where does this data come from?
                  Although occasionally, you need to go into the stores and look from where to where the contents are in them.
                  1. ivshubarin
                    ivshubarin 24 December 2013 14: 52
                    0
                    What data?
                    1. Papakiko
                      Papakiko 24 December 2013 20: 24
                      +1
                      Quote: ivshubarin
                      What data?

                      Quote: ivshubarin
                      but expensive, especially compared to Chinese

                      That Chinese is cheap.
                      "I-pads" (most gadgets, smartphones, tablets, etc.) are made in China and their price is more than not CHINESE.
                      All this rubbish has a very short life and in order to keep up with removing the "foam" it must be massively and abruptly thrown into the markets. What China is doing is massively and quickly.
                      1. Joker
                        Joker 24 December 2013 21: 35
                        +1
                        "I-pads" (most gadgets, smartphones, tablets, etc.) are made in China and their price is more than not CHINESE.

                        It’s not true, they are only COLLECTED there, they are being developed in the USA. Apple is one of the biggest companies and the salaries there are far from Chinese, and that's what you get from there.
                      2. Papakiko
                        Papakiko 25 December 2013 11: 07
                        0
                        Quote: Joker
                        salaries there are far from Chinese, and that’s where you come from.

                        Then what about "Samsun" and their "Galaxy" ???
                        Quote: Joker
                        are developing them in the USA. Apple is one of the biggest companies and salaries there

                        Dear you are our man.
                        Are you apparently impressed by watching a movie about Jobs ??
                        At the same time, they completely forgot that Stevie’s entire film was engaged in a kidnock of partners and the use of other people's ideas and developments.
                        The iPhone was first announced by Steve Jobs at the MacWorld Expo on January 9, 2007. It went on sale on June 29, 2007.
                        And the pioneers were: Nintendo DS - the next generation of Nintendo handheld game consoles after Game Boy Advance SP. The console was released at 2004 year in Canada, USA and Japan.
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          3. Papakiko
            Papakiko 24 December 2013 14: 19
            +3
            Quote: hert
            unequivocally, everything is only of native production ..... so you look and restore the textile industry

            Quote: predator.3
            But you are, however, an optimist! We have in Ufa for a long time already all the sewing and knitting factories

            Can you ask the "specialists" a question?
            What clothes are sewn in the bowels of the FSIN and not only with female hands !?
            China-China-China.
            Yes, the Chinese did not even dream of such volumes and speed of tailoring as is done in PS.
            I was pleased with the table from the article with a wear resistance of 3-5 years and as many as 8 layers.
            Fleece underwear and fleece jacket.
            crying
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 24 December 2013 20: 35
              0
              Quote: Papakiko
              Fleece underwear and fleece jacket.

              Our officials and logisticians cannot sleep and eat. All thoughts and concerns about a citizen burden them.
              Explain where in this fleece outfit for Arctic latitudes the following properties and features are buried below:
              [i] High-tech functional men's thermal underwear premium from the Swiss company X-Bionic. A unique combination of innovative technologies and high-quality materials, which provides an unrivaled level of comfort during active sports. Thermal underwear X-Bionic has won many awards in competitions and equipment tests. Ideal for practicing all kinds of extreme sports at any time of the year, it works great under heavy loads. The main technological feature of this model is the use of a new metallized thread Xitanit ™, which reflects heat well. Those. thermal underwear in areas with Xitanit simply does not allow heat from the body to pass through itself. Features of X-Bionic Radiactor:
              elastic fabric. Skin NODOR® technology. linen does not absorb odors
              tightly fits the body like a wetsuit, protecting from cold air. the special design of the laundry instantly evaporates moisture and maintains the body in optimal temperature conditions. reduces muscle vibration during exertion. does not constrain movements and stimulates blood circulation.


              Continued below.
            2. Papakiko
              Papakiko 24 December 2013 20: 35
              0
              Quote: Papakiko
              Fleece underwear and fleece jacket.

              Technology:
              37 ° CCR technology - The backbone of X-Bionic thermal underwear. This innovative technology warms and cools various areas of the body where necessary. The energy that the body spends to restore optimal body temperature is now available as a supply of energy for enhanced work through reduced vibration
              3D Bionic Sphere System ™ Due to its special wavy structure, the material on the chest and on the back does not adhere to the skin. Thus, air chambers of various sizes are created between the skin and the laundry. This allows air to spread like a small air conditioner. Due to the insulating effect and in combination with the air heat exchange zones created in this way, the muscles and skin can be maintained in a state of optimal temperature
              Underarm Sweat Traps ™ The axillary area contains a large number of sweat glands, which are most active during physical activity. Underarm Sweat Traps ™ creates a special “mesh” consisting of SkinNODOR ™ and is bordered by moisture channels. SkinNODOR does not absorb moisture and odors. At the same time, the natural heat of the human body accelerates the release of moisture into the outer layer. The skin remains comfortable and dry.
              AirConditioning Channel ™ It looks like a road system and crosses the surface of the body. The system conducts air and transports heat and humidity to those parts of the body where it is needed. A special accumulation zone and its corresponding AirConditioning Channel ™ channels cool the chest and lower back, reducing the temperature in these areas by 2-3 ° C.
              Elbow Pads ™ In the elbow joints, thermal underwear gradually expands its flexibility with special “ribs” that work on the same principle as the accordion fur, which protects against cold air and prevents heat loss on the elbows
              Air Guides ™ keep your fresh air flow through the Air Conditioning Channel
              ISO Pads ™ on the stomach retains body heat, which is vital for the functioning of internal organs
              Skin Nodor® New, especially soft yarn with exceptional thermo-regulating properties. It contains a polymer substance, including an antibacterial substance that is not transmitted to the skin. Skin Nodor® technology maintains a natural skin balance by preventing the activity of odor-causing microorganisms thanks to the continuous action of silver ions in antibacterial fibers. The unique antibacterial component in the polymer structure prevents allergic reactions, because it does not have close contact with the skin. Skin Nodor® is an extremely strong and wear-resistant fabric that protects against germs. Even after several washes, it does not lose its antibacterial properties, preserving them throughout the entire product life cycle [/ i]
      2. askort154
        askort154 24 December 2013 12: 27
        +5
        tronin.maxim ... In appearance, the form is so beautiful. Here the main quality and practicality!

        In the photo: Babuska goes ahead of the commission and quickly ... dies?
        The main thing that would not become fashionable is to update the form for each new minister.
        1. evgenm55
          evgenm55 24 December 2013 14: 43
          +1
          "... and the recommendations of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu ...." -

          THIS IS MUCH ALL STRINGING. In the Ministry of Emergencies - Americanos caps and all sorts of other bells and whistles, military generals have embroidered as Africans or Latin, for our infantry the lapel emblem is again aroused by the Americans. Is he really so friendly with Slava Zayetsev? to glamor?
        2. alone
          alone 24 December 2013 21: 25
          0
          Quote: askort154
          The main thing that would not become fashionable is to update the form for each new minister.


          but in my opinion this is already included in something obligatory. Moreover, the costs are considerable.
      3. atk44849
        atk44849 24 December 2013 13: 29
        +4
        I agree. but boots and sheepskin coat., I recommend leaving.
  2. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 24 December 2013 12: 04
    +5
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    hi
    Finally! Good luck!

    Solid Forma - offset good
  3. Alez
    Alez 24 December 2013 12: 36
    +2
    Finally, sensible people appeared in the Army who, when creating the uniform, began to listen to those who wear this uniform.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 24 December 2013 12: 44
      +2
      Quote: Alez
      Finally, sensible people appeared in the Army who, when creating the uniform, began to listen to those who wear this uniform.


      I do not know, gentlemen, to me personally, it reminded me:



      and if such material (not China) is not demolished, M65 itself is dragging the 6 year (ALPHA industries)
      1. Heccrbq.3
        Heccrbq.3 24 December 2013 16: 10
        0
        I wear m -65 for the 3rd season, periodically fit and wonder where you can buy)))) It looks like new, well, very comfortable.
  4. DOMINO
    DOMINO 24 December 2013 12: 55
    +7
    I’m just always interested in such reviews - and WHAT WITH THE SEA FORM AND WITH THE PARISH OPTIONS? As someone who served in a naval uniform ("in fish") and understands that the typical tendency for the Navy and sailors to preserve traditions is a fact, I am somewhat alarmed. After all, the naval uniform and parade was rightfully considered the most beautiful at all times, served as a reason for pride for its owners, starting from tsarist times. The canonical appearance of a sailor, in my opinion, is a sailor of the near-revolutionary and revolutionary times ("rheumatas", sailors-anarchists) - with their flared trousers, a criss-cross bandolier, a black pea jacket, a vest and a peakless cap, and since that time this image has been practically did not change, unlike land. parts. Suffice it to recall the well-known facts about attempts to change the clothes of the Marine Corps units of the Great Patriotic War, which met with a desperate rebuff and was perceived almost as an insult, an attempt on the maritime identity. Even being in combat quilted jackets, sailors left their vests, and in the attack they wore peakless caps carried with them. To come up with something better for sailors - I can't even imagine what it could be ...
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    2. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 24 December 2013 13: 20
      +7
      Navy - classic -----
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 24 December 2013 13: 34
        +8
        always liked, especially tunic
        1. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 24 December 2013 13: 52
          +2
          Current Option ----
          1. Warhead-xnumx
            Warhead-xnumx 24 December 2013 14: 01
            +3
            Is he even more fashionable? I was constantly hollowed out for him in 2005.
            1. ivshubarin
              ivshubarin 24 December 2013 14: 59
              0
              here is fashionable -------
          2. Ahmed Osmanov
            Ahmed Osmanov 24 December 2013 18: 23
            0
            Beautiful shape.
      2. major071
        major071 24 December 2013 13: 54
        +26
        Sewing troops, also a classic! laughing
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 24 December 2013 14: 05
          +4
          (+) final, but for me the Freak Parade
        2. Airman
          Airman 24 December 2013 18: 30
          +2
          Quote: major071
          Sewing troops, also a classic! laughing


          This is the papuan of the umbo-jumbo tribe.
        3. Trinity
          Trinity 24 December 2013 22: 03
          +2
          / MAJOR073 / It is not clear who this is in the photo. Either a pygmy, or a Papuan, or a peacock in general during the mating season, but not a soldier. After all, there must be a reasonable limit. All the uniforms were improved for demobilization, but not to the same stupidity. We have one such "paratrooper" for all two years on a subsidiary farm with a part, he fed pigs, well, in short he fed up, but he dressed up for demobilization in the same way. carried not allowed him in this form even to leave the unit.
    3. evgenm55
      evgenm55 24 December 2013 14: 49
      0
      I also think so, despite the fact that the specifics of the service remained the same: logging, compartments, gangways, etc. Moreover, sailors do not ask to change anything. Another thing is the form for household work, emergency repairs, repairs - there may something worth revisiting.
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 24 December 2013 14: 56
        +2
        working, too, as she was
  5. Airman
    Airman 24 December 2013 14: 34
    +1
    Quote: Apologet.Ru
    hi
    Finally! Good luck!

    There are huge opportunities for fraud and theft, because different fighters will have to wear a uniform for 3 years, and for the fourth or fifth time they will give it out (if it survives, but does not wear out after a year) you will not determine. After all, now they are changing clothes at the military registration and enlistment offices, and how to be? And what is the demobilization?
    1. Airman
      Airman 24 December 2013 19: 33
      0
      Quote: Povshnik
      Quote: Apologet.Ru
      hi
      Finally! Good luck!

      There are huge opportunities for fraud and theft, because different fighters will have to wear a uniform for 3 years, and for the fourth or fifth time they will give it out (if it survives, but does not wear out after a year) you will not determine. After all, now they are changing clothes at the military registration and enlistment offices, and how to be? And what is the demobilization?


      Find out how much the new form costs, and my words will become clear to you.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 11: 40
    +13
    Every year the form more and more resembles the NATO. And velcro with zippers is certainly more convenient than buttons, but inferior in reliability. For me, the best field form is the hebbesh afghan of the first years of release. hi
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 24 December 2013 12: 10
      +3
      Soviet still two-color, served until the cuffs were frayed, on the three-color in the mid-90s, patches appeared after the first outing, it all depends on the material ...
    2. PANZER
      PANZER 24 December 2013 12: 26
      +6
      NATO, by the way, is in good shape, and the fact that ours is similar to it is most likely a global trend.
    3. bistrov.
      bistrov. 24 December 2013 12: 28
      +5
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      For me, the best field form is the hebbesh afghan of the first years of release.

      I agree with you completely. I still have one preserved in my country house, so many years have passed, and not a single hole, although the collar in a pea coat, where it comes in contact with the neck, has peeled off. A wash is an uncountable number of times!
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 12: 44
        +1
        Quote: bistrov.
        I still have one preserved in my country house, so many years have passed, and not a single hole

        The same thing, only the jacket no longer fits, the wife and mother are carrying it. laughing
    4. Max otto
      Max otto 24 December 2013 14: 18
      +4
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Every year the form more and more resembles the NATO. And velcro with zippers is certainly more convenient than buttons, but inferior in reliability. For me, the best field form is the hebbesh afghan of the first years of release. hi

      I support, for some reason, I like it the most, it has something in it, and it’s been 15 years for dirty work, fishing nature, almost like new.
      And for some reason, for some reason, all kinds of labels, stripes and emblems are crazy about me, why the hell are they all, especially the blood type, why?
  • Same lech
    Same lech 24 December 2013 11: 41
    0
    And how to get through the bushes - the matter is not torn?
  • major071
    major071 24 December 2013 11: 44
    +18
    I put the article +, finally they began to get rid of "Yudashkin's" lewdness, in which only to go out for parties, and not serve. Now the main thing is to make sure that the uniform is sewn at our factories and from high-quality fabric, and not the Chinese from do not understand what, which after a month of socks creeps.
    1. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 24 December 2013 12: 12
      +1
      well, from Yudashkin in that form, only that the stools of the stools had a hand in her
  • datur
    datur 24 December 2013 11: 44
    0
    3 years? The first will wear novye, and the next b \ y? !! wassat and so the form looks good, and it has become more convenient! yes
    1. edge
      edge 24 December 2013 12: 24
      0
      Quote: datur
      3 years? The first will wear novye, and the next b \ y? !!

      You’re talking nonsense ......, the service life of the uniform is set, everyone gets a new set, and everything else goes to a substitute.
  • Sharingan
    Sharingan 24 December 2013 11: 44
    +2
    Fine. Let's hope that it is convenient and practical, and it looks nothing like that, otherwise everything looked like a people's militia.
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 24 December 2013 11: 44
    +8
    Shoigu's love of color stripes and on a field uniform crawled out
    1. waisson
      waisson 24 December 2013 11: 55
      +4
      he did not serve in the army, therefore such love for everything catchy, but the uniform is nothing
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  • RUSS
    RUSS 24 December 2013 11: 45
    0
    It is high time to standardize the military uniform, especially the field one, so that the military would look exactly like the military, and not like hunters. The shape is beautiful, we hope it is comfortable and practical. And the main thing is that some officers do not "flaunt" in non-statutory uniforms, especially in NATO camouflages.
  • avt
    avt 24 December 2013 11: 46
    +6
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Every year the form more and more resembles the NATO

    request Since the time of Peter No. 1, the form has had a “universal” design, and that’s not the point, it’s not a problem to accept the good, it’s a matter of the quality of performance and competent application.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 12: 05
      +6
      Quote: avt
      That's not the point; accepting the good is not a problem

      Good- yes, you can and should adopt it, but I would not call it a good style. We used to have our own, distinctive form. And the cotton was replaced with polyester, this is not gut. I don’t scold the new form, we’ll look at consumer reviews, so to speak, but I liked the Soviet one more. hi
  • cerko
    cerko 24 December 2013 11: 46
    +1
    I only like the sapper shovel in the photo ... damn it, my grandfather left the times of the Second World War so it’s much more functional and more convenient
  • kimanas
    kimanas 24 December 2013 11: 48
    +4
    It has become a good tradition, the new minister - changes in form. I welcome the departure of airfield caps, the return of shoulder straps! kirzachi and footcloths have finally sunk into oblivion.
    1. predator.3
      predator.3 24 December 2013 12: 08
      +10
      The uniform is certainly good (in the pictures above), but when I meet "warriors" on the street, it becomes so embarrassing, dirty and naturally pea jackets are several sizes larger and these belts are also, but why are they still worn?
      1. vaddag1
        vaddag1 24 December 2013 13: 35
        +3
        I agree about the belt, it does not spoil the view if the form is right at the time - and so it spoils specifically. let it remain on the trousers if there is no way without it (they go to the guard for a long time in armor). and also the bullshit gate - in the photo between the officer and the soldiers the difference is specific. the form hasn’t become its own style - globalization.
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      3. atalef
        atalef 24 December 2013 14: 06
        +2
        Quote: predator.3
        these belts, but why are they still worn?

        In general, the belt removes the load from the shoulder to the belt. Wearable wintering kit is quite heavy and you need to distribute the load. Maybe in connection with new materials everything will become easier and the need for a belt will disappear
        1. predator.3
          predator.3 24 December 2013 14: 50
          0
          Quote: atalef
          In general, the belt removes the load from the shoulder to the belt. Wearable wintering kit is quite heavy and you need to distribute the load. Maybe in connection with new materials everything will become easier and the need for a belt will disappear

          Well, in our time, they carried a bayonet-knife and a cartridge pouch on their belt, and then on guard or in a company outfit, and the uniform was under the belt. By the way, what kind of "load from the shoulder to the belt"?
    2. military
      military 24 December 2013 12: 16
      +8
      Quote: kimanas
      new minister - changes in uniform. I welcome the departure of airfield caps ...

      and the arrival of the "Honduran" cap ...
    3. VAS 84
      VAS 84 24 December 2013 12: 20
      +5
      The main thing is that not everything has sunk into oblivion. Finns wear our VALENKI and are very satisfied. good
      1. servant
        servant 24 December 2013 12: 22
        +3
        You can't "cut" a lot on felt boots ...
      2. guran
        guran 24 December 2013 12: 43
        +3
        Finns prefer Nokian rubber boots. What are the felt boots in their climate?
        winter is snowy and mild, a lot of melt water.
        1. eagle11
          eagle11 25 December 2013 16: 19
          0
          Did you serve there? Personally, in Karelia, (for seven years of service) I had to freeze no worse than in Transbaikalia (five years), walked in authorized high boots, did not get wet. The softness is only that in the morning -37, and in the afternoon -32. In Transbaikalia, in the morning -40, in the afternoon -20.
          1. guran
            guran 25 December 2013 16: 54
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            Just do not need to compare Transbaikalia and Karelia. I had to live in Transbaikalia for 15 years, and I know what kind of climate it is. A harsh, little snowy winter in the south. On average - 25. In the north of Transbaikalia, naturally, it is much colder. Also, Karelia is southern, and there is northern, but, nevertheless, it is warmer there anyway. Atlantic does not allow to freeze. Murmansk is the largest ice-free port in Russia. And it is located north of Karelia.

            Here is the official data for climate of Finland.
            The climate is temperate, transitional from marine to continental, continental in the north. Despite its northern position, Finland experiences the warming effect of the Atlantic.

            During the year, westerly winds with frequent cyclones prevail in the country. The average temperatures of all seasons are much higher than in the more eastern regions at the same latitudes.
            Winters are moderately cold. Despite the fact that the polar night prevails in the northern part of the country in winter (in Utsjoki it lasts two months), in the southern regions the sun shines from 48 (winter 1987/88) to 195 hours (winter 1996/97) [38] . The thickness of snow cover at the end of December averages in the north of the country - 40 cm, in the central regions - about 30 cm and in the south of the country - 10 cm.
            Precipitation falls throughout the year. The average February temperature in the south of the country is −6 ° C, in Lapland –14 ° C.


            Karelia
            The climate is mild with an abundance of rainfall; it varies in the territory of Karelia from marine to temperate continental. Winter is snowy, cool, but usually without severe frosts, if frosts come, then only for a few days.


            And the Finns are shoeing their troops in rubber boots, I can give a link in the photo. Boots "nokian", natural rubber, insulated, hold up to - 40.
            1. eagle11
              eagle11 26 December 2013 00: 29
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              I already wrote about the temperature, do not forget about humidity, what is -25 in Karelia and -35 in Transbaikalia, at these temperatures in Karelia it is colder.
              1. guran
                guran 26 December 2013 06: 04
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                Whatever the humidity, a specific minus means a lot, I judge by the example of life in Khabarovsk and Vladivostok. Particularly due to the climate, people are moving from Siberia and the Far East to the West of Russia, to St. Petersburg.
                You ask Petersburger if they have frosts - 25, - 37, but this is Finland, 300 km in a straight line to Helsinki.

                And right now, I’m watching the weather forecast, 26.12.2013/30/2 at noon, - XNUMX, Karelia - plus temperature in the whole territory, Kalevala +XNUMX, this is the very north. Well, what can I argue about?
                1. eagle11
                  eagle11 26 December 2013 13: 55
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                  He studied at a school in St. Petersburg, for five years, after Karelia he served two more years, so he experienced -37 for himself, in January 2006, as I remember now, he worked as a watchman at a construction site at night. But in Chita, on December 1 of this year it was +4 heat, and so what? Once at a time it is not necessary, it can also be cold, now it is -17 on the thermometer.
                  1. guran
                    guran 26 December 2013 14: 54
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                    Where is now 17? In St. Petersburg +2, tomorrow in general +5 Okay, it's useless to speak. It turns out like in a song about Thomas.

                    In one lane they stood at home
                    In one of the houses lived the stubborn Thomas,
                    Not at home, not at school, anywhere, no one,
                    Stubborn Thomas did not believe anything.

                    He goes to the zoo with a guided tour,
                    "Look," they say to him, "this is an elephant."
                    And again Thomas does not believe: “This is a lie!
                    This elephant does not look like an elephant at all. "

                    In your opinion, Karelia is Siberia, St. Petersburg, Finland - Transbaikalia.
                    It remains only to amend the climate maps.
                    1. eagle11
                      eagle11 26 December 2013 16: 40
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                      In Chita -17, I'm in Chita now! The fact that "+" is now in Karelia does not mean that it is always warm there. He was on business trips in winter, to Novosib, Bratsk, Dzhida, Ude, Steppe, Ukrainka and Khabarovsk. The "biggest minus", -42 in Chita in 2010 walked from "MAXI" to pl. Lenin, okay. In Novosibirsk, in December 2009 at -28, I walked from Berezovaya Roshcha to Zolotoy Niva, I came and did not feel my face. In Karelia, there are frosts (it is enough to recall the 39th year, when whole shelves froze in the forests near Pitkyaranta), I had to serve in the south of Karelia, Sortavala and Petrozavodsk, in conditions of 100% humidity it is very hard, it is good that the frosts do not last long. In Transbaikalia, frost is easier to tolerate, it is dry.
                      My parents still live in Petrozavodsk, being on vacation, I immediately notice the difference. Plus, in service, you have to constantly dock with weather sensors, so I’m a little familiar with meteorology.
                      1. guran
                        guran 26 December 2013 17: 19
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                        Heavy humidity does not mean anything. At least to me. I did not feel it either in St. Petersburg or in Vladivostok with a rather cold winter.
                        Here is the minus with the wind - it is felt really even if the minus is weak.
                        But this can be attributed to my personal feelings.
                        Regarding climate in general, official data exist. And you can’t change them in any way, understand? It is impossible to compare the sharply continental Siberian climate with the temperate continental European climate of Karelia. These are different climatic zones.
                        Winter is relatively mild. Due to the influence of the Atlantic Ocean with its warm Gulf Stream, the average annual temperature has positive values ​​(from 0 - + 1,5 degrees in the north to +2 +3 degrees in the south. This makes the weather quite comfortable at any time of the year.

                        And the fact that they froze whole shelves is another topic. You can freeze at -5, if wet and in poor equipment.
                        Here you try in the afternoon at +2 in felt boots to run through puddles and thawed snow, and in the evening immediately -10, it seems to be so-so frosty, and that’s all, you can unfasten your legs. And it will not matter what humidity there is.
                    2. eagle11
                      eagle11 26 December 2013 17: 02
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                      Traditionally in Finland, the coldest month is January. At this time, the average temperature here is from -3 to -15 degrees Celsius. The lowest temperature, equal to -51,5 degrees, was established in 1999 in Pokka.
                      Transbaikalia: The climate is sharply continental. Winters are long and harsh. The average January temperatures range from −23 ° C in the south to −33 ° C in the north and southeast; the recorded absolute minimum was −58 ° C.
                      In Transbaikalia, besides, there are large daily temperature drops, in Finland (by the way Sortavala, the former Finnish territory) there are no such drops.
                      1. guran
                        guran 26 December 2013 17: 39
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                        Quote: eagle11
                        The coldest month is January. At this time, the average temperature here is from -3 to -15 degrees Celsius.

                        Very comfortable winter. I agree to wave without looking at their wet Amur -30 to wet Finnish -15
            2. eagle11
              eagle11 26 December 2013 16: 50
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              Here is the official data for Finland:
              The combination of cold winters and warm summers is a hallmark of the Finnish climate. The average annual temperature in Helsinki is plus 5,3 degrees. In Northern Finland, the maximum temperature during the day can sometimes reach +30 degrees. In winter, especially in January and February, the temperature often drops to -20.
              And nobody argues about boots.
              1. guran
                guran 26 December 2013 17: 35
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                Cold winter by European standards. In Siberian, it will be a European mild winter. Certain weather temperature records do not. Exceptions confirm the rules.
                The entire population of Finland presses towards the southern border; in the north, almost no one lives. But even much further north our sea does not freeze.
                It may well be minus 20 to be in the same St. Petersburg. More often at night, warmer during the day. But in general, the climate is milder, simply because Europe is not Siberia. This is noticeable on the map.
                1. eagle11
                  eagle11 27 December 2013 13: 24
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                  In the winter of the 39th in the south of Karelia there were forty-degree frosts, then the command staff, who sent soldiers to fight in overcoats and kirsachs, fought coolly.
                  The sea does not freeze in the north, so what? But in St. Petersburg, the Baltic freezes, and so freezes that it drives off-road vehicles, freezes around Finland. And the white sea freezes along Karelia.
                  Quote: guran

                  Very comfortable winter. I agree to wave without looking at their wet Amur -30 to wet Finnish -15

                  That's it, wet! And in Transbaikalia it is dry, there is almost no snow, and as frosts stand, moisture freezes out (there are such precipitation, ice needles), and frost is not felt like that. I have to travel by air, so when you get from Domna to Ukraine, with the same minus, the frost is much biting.
                  Strange as it may seem, in the winter in Transbaikalia, I wear shoes from the autumn collection, down to -30 under a ski jacket, I only wear a T-shirt, of course the clothes are high-tech, but in Karelia it is already cool. In Bratsk and Novosib, by the way, too. All from personal experience.
    4. edge
      edge 24 December 2013 12: 38
      +12
      Quote: kimanas
      kirzachi and footcloths have finally sunk into oblivion.

      but this is nonsense, boots are needed, but modified (the main purpose is protection against splinters, weather protection, protection against barbed wire, protection against cuts and damage by knots, protection against poisonous amphibians and arthropods ....) footcloths (socks can be killed during one raid, to take a bunch of them this place and weight (in the rd there is not much of it), footcloths better protect the foot from scuffs, can be used as dressings, more durable, easily stretch .....). It's not even centuries old, millennial experience of using optimal combat shoes.
      1. officer29
        officer29 24 December 2013 16: 15
        +8
        Refusal of footcloths is, of course, stupidity! There is nothing more reliable than footcloths! good The main thing is to wind them correctly! When our unit prevailed in "ankle boots", we had to quickly abandon the socks, get confused, torn, quickly get wet. And he rewound the little cloth on the dry side and okay, let it dry on the other side. I still wrap footcloths in my boots or felt boots! hi fellow
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 24 December 2013 11: 49
    +4
    I read about it today in "Rossiyskaya Gazeta". It's bad that there are comments on the new form only from generals, I would like to know the opinion of those who have already used it (if there are any). Well, so - time will show its functionality, we'll see.
  • Sargord A.
    Sargord A. 24 December 2013 11: 56
    +4
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Every year the form more and more resembles the NATO.

    Like something bad.
    1. officer29
      officer29 24 December 2013 16: 22
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      It’s just that there has been unification for a long time around the world. There are many examples: Buran - Shuttle, F-16 - Su-27 and MiG. The list can be continued indefinitely ... The same is with the military uniform, because all the military tasks are the same, that's all fits the common denominator.
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 24 December 2013 16: 45
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        officer29
        You have a strange comparison on unification.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir 24 December 2013 12: 09
    +2
    Here are just earflaps out of this row knocked out. And so you look, the usual NATO form. The policemen were also dressed in the uniform of Amer policemen. It's cold outside, and he's wearing a baseball cap.
  • servant
    servant 24 December 2013 12: 13
    +6
    We learn whether a form is good or bad after the minister leaves ... a tradition like this with the advent of a new one to replace the form! Although in appearance, in addition to shoulder straps, Serdyukov’s uniform ...
    In general, there is nothing better than an Afghan ... IMHO ...
  • Roman Vasilenko
    Roman Vasilenko 24 December 2013 12: 13
    +7
    we were already pleased with the part that all the stripes at your own expense wherever you want and give birth. And, as usual, they are the first to put on the staff officers (they are in their offices), then someday all the rest.
    1. servant
      servant 24 December 2013 12: 16
      +5
      But at the front drill should be in a new form, where you rip about nobody cares, do you want to receive an answer to the all-premium? You will find the form ...
  • Odonushka
    Odonushka 24 December 2013 12: 14
    +2
    It seems to me that such (on a textile basis) berets for 3 years will not last. we had to change the leather 2-3 times a year. and as usual, the soldier who will be the last to carry it over will have to buy half at his own expense ... and now they will give out the uniforms in the military enlistment offices, I wonder how this moment will be decided with the second-hand uniform.
    1. Moore
      Moore 25 December 2013 06: 27
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      What berets, dear colleague ... New synthetic-based belts are soaked after 2-3 weeks of socks ...
    2. Moore
      Moore 25 December 2013 06: 33
      +2
      Interestingly, this is also offered to wear for three years? It is soaked in 2-3 weeks of socks.
  • Paul
    Paul 24 December 2013 12: 15
    +6
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    Every year the form more and more resembles the NATO. And velcro with zippers is certainly more convenient than buttons, but inferior in reliability. For me, the best field form is the hebbesh afghan of the first years of release. hi

    I won’t put a minus, but the Afghan was good for Afghanistan (especially the fabric))) for Russia-Belarus it is necessary to have green-brown camouflage, which is what we have, what kind of performance will it be? hope good
  • ed65b
    ed65b 24 December 2013 12: 31
    +7
    Velcro - Doubt takes their quality. they will catch up and stop working sooner than in 3 years. and about the form of a used song in general, in 3 years of its operation it will turn into a rag. To whom will they be given? Not an army will succeed, but a herd of ragged people.
  • guran
    guran 24 December 2013 12: 37
    +4
    camouflage as it is called, who knows? "numeral"?
    And yes, the bright color stickers on the field camouflage look wild. And as a sniper will be happy.
    Again and again there is nothing winter. In the snowy fields and forest in the greenery is invited to run?
    1. Sharingan
      Sharingan 24 December 2013 12: 47
      +2
      Quote: guran

      And yes, the bright color stickers on the field camouflage look wild.


      Duc, I think this is a "ceremonial" option. For the field, the emblems will be green. I hope :)
      1. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 24 December 2013 14: 06
        +2
        Parade for cadets and soldiers
    2. user1212
      user1212 24 December 2013 13: 21
      +3
      Quote: guran
      And yes, the bright color stickers on the field camouflage look wild. And as a sniper will be happy.

      They are Velcro. In the field you can take off
  • RUSS
    RUSS 24 December 2013 12: 38
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    Quote: ed65b
    Velcro - Doubt takes their quality. they will catch up and stop working sooner than in 3 years. and about the form of a used song in general, in 3 years of its operation it will turn into a rag. To whom will they be given? Not an army will succeed, but a herd of ragged people.


    The Russian soldier is a cunning "invention", he will come up with something himself!
    1. imrek_ua
      imrek_ua 24 December 2013 12: 48
      +4
      What is there to come up with? Everything has already been invented. I saw how my grandfather replaced a tattered button with a piece of a branch on a thread. And then I saw such twigs near the bati on the old raincoat.
  • Warhead-xnumx
    Warhead-xnumx 24 December 2013 12: 50
    +6
    As these bicycle inventors infuriate me, it is necessary to make pilot pilot cockade fly into the cap. Now the headdress of a non-commissioned officer differs from a contractor or a cadet in only a wicker gown. I remember the battle with which they forced me to switch from Soviet crabs to the new Russian ones with an eagle, and now it’s squalor, not one fleet of the world has such a miserable cockade among sailors, but now they want to change clothes and patties instead of airfields, which is a pathetic attempt to pay tribute to the tsar’s to the fleet?
  • PANZER
    PANZER 24 December 2013 12: 57
    +3
    Quote: cerko
    pictured sapper shovel

    In the photo, by the way, an infantry shovel.
  • gosha78
    gosha78 24 December 2013 13: 04
    0
    yes it’s just another money laundering, they still can’t provide with the Yudashkin form
  • maksim
    maksim 24 December 2013 13: 31
    +1
    the main thing is to be comfortable and warm, with a visor on the cap in my search, it’s too duckbill
  • PANZER
    PANZER 24 December 2013 13: 57
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    habesh afghan

    In which it’s hot in summer and cold in winter
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 24 December 2013 14: 21
      +3
      Quote: PANZER
      In which it’s hot in summer and cold in winter

      Andrei, the Afghans of Hebe were also different ...
      Yesterday I wrote in another thread that I still wear an Afghan woman - a "piece of wood" from the late 80s.
      In summer, the body breathes, not hot. Autumn and spring with warm linen is quite comfortable. I don’t complain ...
      And what you described looks very much like an Afghan woman - "glass", it was such a shady thing.
      wink

      By article:
      Offhand - quite normal form, especially against the background of the previous der.
      We have to wait for reviews from the parts, the guys will know better, "sho this is for hform."

      There is only one annoyance - dofigische of any stripes with Velcro, it’s useless.
      1. vaddag1
        vaddag1 24 December 2013 17: 05
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        "And what you described is very similar to the Afghan" glass "- the only difference is in the" glamor "of the glass, otherwise there is no difference. It is hot in summer, cold in winter. When the service life allowed me to choose - I wore ChSh in winter, and in summer also suffered in Afghans (fortunately, the summer in Vanino is short)
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 24 December 2013 18: 05
          +2
          Quote: vaddag1
          the only difference is the "glamor" of the glass, otherwise there is no difference. hot in summer, cold in winter.

          Well, Vadim, consider as you see fit, what’s for me ...

          For the sake of curiosity, I climbed into the Internet, I was surprised to find the info:
          “... The glass is made mainly of twill, the content of viscose or polyester is increased in it ...”
          Heh, cool Internet thing.
          ..................

          They differ by touch, I will write from memory:
          - a piece of wood almost all of cotton and it is rough-rough. It is light green in color (almost sand, I don’t know how to correctly describe the color) and it fades quickly when washing. The body breathes. Heat in cool weather - more or less keeps (not p / w after all).
          - the glass is slippery and you do not feel the interweaving of the threads, the material gleams maleho. The paint on it is poisonous dark green and does not wash off during washing, it starts to shine even more. It definitely crap full when worn.

          Something like this. What I remember is singing ...
          And I won’t exchange my old “piece of wood” for anything.
          wink
          1. vaddag1
            vaddag1 24 December 2013 19: 07
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            “... The glass is made mainly of twill, the content of viscose or polyester is increased in it ...”
            Heh, cool Internet thing. - there are no questions, only in my memory "to the touch" one is smooth, the other is not smooth, and the content of viscose or polyester by the body is somehow not really taken into account when you freeze (or vice versa). and the main thing is that I am not the only one (with whom I served the same). there was no current or NATO uniform for comparison, so maybe I would also feel in another uniform, but in the CS (without outerwear) I took the company to the dining room calmly. Although it can only matter in the climate - it is very "not the middle band" from one extreme to another.
  • mountain
    mountain 24 December 2013 14: 04
    +6
    On the one hand, if you don’t look, a convenient, reliable, universal form is needed and it is good that they are engaged in it. On the other hand, in my memory, there have already been dozens of such shows, but where are the results? And when all the same, she will appear at the end and will delight, both convenience and practicality.
  • PANZER
    PANZER 24 December 2013 14: 45
    0
    Quote: Aleks tv
    Andrei, the Afghans of Hebe were also different ...

    Alexei, it is likely that this was so, I do not argue. I judge only what I wore.
  • evgenm55
    evgenm55 24 December 2013 14: 51
    +1
    Quote: major071
    Sewing troops, also a classic! laughing





    IN AFRICA ITS HERE --- THERE WILL BE HOW TO END FROM ENVIRONMENT, THE KINGDOM ON THE BARTER.
  • Azzi
    Azzi 24 December 2013 15: 00
    0
    Did I alone wonder at the sapper blade on my back? Someone already used this? And How?
    1. vaddag1
      vaddag1 24 December 2013 17: 09
      0
      as I understand it, with this arrangement, the shoulder blade also protects the spine. Americans do special pads for this - suckers.
  • Allex_B
    Allex_B 24 December 2013 15: 10
    0
    Life will show and make adjustments !!!
  • Ihrek
    Ihrek 24 December 2013 15: 34
    0
    I hope that the aphorism of V.S. Chernomyrin will be inappropriate here - We wanted the best, but it turned out as always.
  • Jogan-xnumx
    Jogan-xnumx 24 December 2013 15: 36
    0
    It looks like nothing. It should be, in theory, convenient and comfortable. It would be interesting to try. what Coloring only confuses ... What to do in winter with snow, when everything is white, or lack of snow, when everything is dirty-gray-brown? Or, say, when deployed in highlands, deserts? request
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 24 December 2013 16: 48
      0
      Quote: Jogan-64
      It looks like nothing. It should be, in theory, convenient and comfortable. It would be interesting to try. what Coloring only confuses ... What to do in winter with snow, when everything is white, or lack of snow, when everything is dirty-gray-brown? Or, say, when deployed in highlands, deserts? request


      In winter, a camouflage uniform, and for mountainous and desert areas there is a field uniform, all participants were dressed in CSTO exercises.
  • kelevra
    kelevra 24 December 2013 17: 10
    +1
    In some corridor there’s a presentation that we have everything in one place! Was it really impossible to rent a concert hall for a day, correct it a bit, and that’s all! You will immediately see the officiality and prestige!
  • Keeper
    Keeper 24 December 2013 17: 49
    0
    Although they began to use "fleece" - a good material, if you modify it with "vents" and it is warm and you don't sweat!
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 24 December 2013 20: 42
    +1
    Perhaps this is the best form for peacetime. I doubt that during the war all these individual elements can be made in equal quantities and of all necessary sizes. Let’s say the war began in the summer, it is clear that they will start in large numbers to make the summer version without the winter one, in the winter without the summer one, I’m already silent about the pre-season. In general, in the end it all comes down to two types of winter-summer linen, footcloths, and a summer set of any available materials, plus a padded jacket, felt boots for the winter.
  • igorspb
    igorspb 25 December 2013 00: 03
    0
    There is no adjustment belt on the collars - the neck is like a geese in a tub, which means it will blow and will hurt. Windproof and winter sets of pants without a high belt - blows back during work. Legs sweat well in high shoes, which means that socks should be in real quantity. And not a couple for a year, like t-shirts - you can’t neglect hygiene ....
    1. imrek_ua
      imrek_ua 25 December 2013 03: 11
      +1
      So what? Means the time-tested footcloths and gateways. Especially when it comes to hygiene.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 25 December 2013 00: 28
    0
    Clownery! laughing Everything is as usual: staffs and commanders are recruited, privates only for the Parade, the rest is in the hands of the almighty "clothes". on a mandatory condition drinks drinks drinks
  • voliador
    voliador 25 December 2013 00: 52
    0
    I think that the form will be finalized as complaints from the troops arrive.
  • Nikita63
    Nikita63 5 January 2014 22: 51
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    pretty enough, if still convenient and practical it will be wonderful. logo badges and Velcro tabs are very convenient))