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"Ukroboronservis" is preparing to bring to the international market the tank T-64

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"Ukroboronservis" is preparing to bring to the international market the tank T-64



The state-owned enterprise Ukroboronservis, which is part of the state concern Ukroboronprom, is working on introducing it into the international market tank T-64. This was reported in the press service of Ukroboronprom with reference to the director of Ukroboronservis Sergey Mikityuk.

"The implementation of the T-64 project should open a new page in stories as "Ukroboronservis", and in general, "Ukroboronprom". There is confidence in the success of this product, which surpasses many analogues by the criterion of "price-quality", Mikityuk quotes the press service.

At the same time, the director does not name the specific dates for the T-64 tank of Ukrainian production to the international market.

According to the report, now the company has created the conditions for the formation of foreign customers interest in acquiring the said type of tanks.

The main customers of T-64 tanks are countries that use Soviet-made equipment. Mostly, these are regions of Africa, Southeast Asia, partly countries of the Arab world.

The press service also noted that the T-64 tank was fully developed in Ukraine and had never been shipped abroad.
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  1. Ihrek
    Ihrek 24 December 2013 07: 40
    +52
    The press service also noted that the T-64 tank was fully developed in Ukraine and had not previously been delivered abroad. In my opinion it is fully developed in the USSR.
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 24 December 2013 09: 17
      +1
      If the price is low, then perhaps there will be demand.
      1. Evgeny_Lev
        Evgeny_Lev 24 December 2013 09: 46
        +4
        how is it in tavria?
        1. Akim
          Akim 24 December 2013 10: 21
          +12
          Quote: Evgeny_Lev
          how is it in tavria?

          Tavria is a good car. Unpretentious.
          1. Canep
            Canep 24 December 2013 10: 30
            +2
            There is confidence in the success of this product, which surpasses many analogues by the criterion of "price-quality", - quotes the press service of Mikityuk.
            The price of engineering products very much depends on the wage level of workers, while in Ukraine the salaries are quite low, but this will not always be the case if Ukraine joins the CU, then it is likely that the incomes of Russians and Ukrainians will equalize within 3-5 years. -64 is not competitive. Kharkovites laid the foundation for the T-64 - T-72 - T-80 - T-90 model series. But the possibilities for further improvement of this concept are almost exhausted; a completely new machine is needed.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 24 December 2013 20: 42
              -4
              Quote: Canep
              Kharkovites laid the foundation for the model series T-64 - T-72 - T-80 - T-90

              Something new .
              Though _
          2. Mhpv
            Mhpv 24 December 2013 10: 42
            +4
            Did the Akim make a new photo for the passport? hi
            1. Akim
              Akim 24 December 2013 10: 50
              +6
              Quote: mhpv
              Akim made a new photo for a passport

              I still have 45, and the first two have long been pasted. tongue Is that foreign. But I also change it only after three years.
              1. Mhpv
                Mhpv 24 December 2013 11: 08
                +2
                Something like Arnie in "Red Heat" laughing
                1. Akim
                  Akim 24 December 2013 11: 22
                  +3
                  Quote: mhpv
                  Something like Arnie in Red Heat

                  This is how our uniform looks on all Americans.
          3. Panikovsky
            Panikovsky 24 December 2013 11: 16
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Evgeny_Lev
            how is it in tavria?

            Tavria is a good car. Unpretentious.

            by the criterion of unpretentiousness the best car-bike.
            1. Akim
              Akim 24 December 2013 11: 24
              +3
              Quote: Panikovsky
              best bike car.

              To ride a bicycle from Odessa to Nikolaev for a long time (personally verified).
              1. Panikovsky
                Panikovsky 24 December 2013 12: 55
                0
                Quote: Akim
                Quote: Panikovsky
                best bike car.

                To ride a bicycle from Odessa to Nikolaev for a long time (personally verified).

                but it’s good for health, especially since Tavria is also not a light of the automobile industry in terms of speed indicators.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 24 December 2013 13: 01
                  +3
                  Quote: Panikovsky
                  but it’s good for health, especially since Tavria is also not a light of the automobile industry in terms of speed indicators.

                  Yeah, with a bag of potatoes from the cottage on a bicycle - zero health benefits. Tavria is not an icon, but it was available. For example, I regret that she was removed, and did not do her restyling.
                  1. Panikovsky
                    Panikovsky 24 December 2013 13: 10
                    +1
                    well, to hell with her with tavria, but the bike ride Nikolaev-Odessa is worthy of respect. Congratulations.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 24 December 2013 13: 20
                      +2
                      Quote: Panikovsky
                      Nikolaev-Odessa is worthy of respect

                      Odessa-Nikolaev. On the contrary, we already took a minibus. But in fact 140 km is not much. Only for a long time.
          4. seller trucks
            seller trucks 24 December 2013 12: 09
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Tavria is a good car. Unpretentious.


            "Niva" VAZ-2121. Ali, with all due respect, is the best, except perhaps "Victory"
            1. Akim
              Akim 24 December 2013 12: 19
              +3
              Quote: seller trucks
              "Niva" VAZ-2121. Ali, with all due respect, the best

              There is no argument, but not everyone in the USSR could buy a Niva.
              1. alex-s
                alex-s 24 December 2013 12: 41
                0
                And I already thought that now we are * in the tank! laughing
                1. Akim
                  Akim 24 December 2013 12: 50
                  +2
                  Quote: alex-s
                  And I already thought that now we are * in the tank!

                  And it would be fun. Then a scribe of an oil era would come.
              2. seller trucks
                seller trucks 24 December 2013 13: 06
                0
                Quote: Akim
                There is no argument, but not everyone in the USSR could buy a Niva.


                Sweden:


                Yes, incidentally, and now there is a queue for the "Niva".
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  2. awg75
    awg75 24 December 2013 07: 40
    -3
    very raw product. I’m sure who will purchase this unit will constantly regret the money thrown away
    1. Yves762
      Yves762 24 December 2013 08: 34
      +1
      Taki I think the thing is different ...:
      According to Kyiv Pulse, the NATO bloc as part of the Partnership for Peace program asks Ukraine to dispose of 2000 T-64 tanks.

      http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/1265315/

      amA cunning plan to legitimize old equipment on the world stage and cut a bit of dough into an empty budget.
      The junk will be painted over with rust. They will screw a couple of budget whistle-p ... lok for a show-off. And they will sell it to any "friends of Syria" with a logical outcome.
      And what? Horseradish, you’ll find fault .. bully ..
    2. rolik2
      rolik2 24 December 2013 09: 22
      +10
      Quote: awg75
      very raw product. I’m sure who will purchase this unit will constantly regret the money thrown away

      And this is after 40 years of refinement and operation in the USSR? Do not make me laugh laughing
  3. makarov
    makarov 24 December 2013 07: 45
    +9
    All the same, without changes, "we intend", "we will do", "we will do" ..
    to the paradox of the fact that hiding behind the word "we", as a result, no one and no responsibility bears, because:

    Sometime, afterwards, then,
    but even in the primers they’ll put a line,
    what made osprey and hert
    everyone dissolves alone.

    И.Г.
    1. Algor73
      Algor73 24 December 2013 11: 30
      +3
      But why not? To sell finished, it is not to produce. Better to sell than cut. Moreover, the tank is good.
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  5. Christian
    Christian 24 December 2013 07: 49
    +1
    Entering the Union State with Russia and Belarus, Ukraine would arrange for the release of much more modern appatat-
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 24 December 2013 07: 51
      +6
      And what is this for the invention of humanity?
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 24 December 2013 08: 04
        +1
        Yes model "object 195" - in my opinion, the project 60s-70s with an uninhabited tower.
    2. Very old
      Very old 24 December 2013 08: 18
      +5
      Quote: Christian
      Entering the Union State with Russia and Belarus, Ukraine would establish the production of much more modern devices -


      In cooperation. There are still shots in Kharkov
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 24 December 2013 10: 54
        +1
        Quote: Very old
        In cooperation. There are still shots in Kharkov


        There are! True, it should be noted that these cadres are of the pre-retirement and retirement age.
    3. Akim
      Akim 24 December 2013 10: 23
      +3
      Quote: Christian
      would launch a much more modern appatat

      And who will buy it?
      1. alex-s
        alex-s 24 December 2013 11: 00
        -4
        Well, even if they plan to sell this junk, they will definitely sell modern equipment!
        1. Akim
          Akim 24 December 2013 11: 03
          +3
          Quote: alex-s
          Well, even if they plan to sell this junk, they will definitely sell modern equipment!

          And we don’t use soap, because there is not enough money. wassat
      2. Christian
        Christian 24 December 2013 15: 01
        +1
        And we ourselves do not need to rearm the Army !?
        1. Akim
          Akim 24 December 2013 17: 51
          0
          Quote: Christian
          And we ourselves do not need to rearm the Army !?

          Do not. The T-64 and T-80UD are not without a reserve of modernization.
          1. Jake danzels
            Jake danzels 24 December 2013 18: 03
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Christian
            And we ourselves do not need to rearm the Army !?

            Do not. The T-64 and T-80UD are not without a reserve of modernization.

            : crazy: With your lips verbs MO RF
            1. Akim
              Akim 24 December 2013 18: 27
              +3
              Quote: Jake Danzels
              With your lips verbs MO RF

              My lips say pragmatism. The whole world is modernizing what it has. Only those countries that are capitally behind or who are breathing real confrontation in the back are buying new ones.
  6. And Us Rat
    And Us Rat 24 December 2013 08: 02
    +2
    Are they going to sell a 1963 tank? And they call it a "new project" ?! Today is not like April 1st belay
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 24 December 2013 08: 07
      +11
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Are they going to sell a 1963 tank? And they call it a "new project" ?! Today is not like April 1st belay

      Ukraine is selling Soviet stocks. It is due to the sale of the occupier’s heritage (it seems 8000 tanks) that Ukraine is included in the list of the main exporters of armored vehicles, while it does not have its own tank production.
      Prior to this, T-72s were mainly exported, but apparently good tanks ran out and launched an illiquid asset, in the form of T-64.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 24 December 2013 12: 13
        0
        This is how the Baltic states was a great exporter of colormet.
      2. morpex
        morpex 24 December 2013 12: 14
        +1
        Quote: Warrawar
        despite the fact that she does not have her own tank production.

        Acorns were harvested on oak?

        Quote: Warrawar
        Ukraine is selling Soviet stocks.

        So what? It was better to cut them in martin?
        Quote: Warrawar
        but apparently the good tanks ran out and launched an illiquid asset, in the form of the T-64.

        T-64 illiquid? Not a good tank? You are definitely on an oak tree. Or you probably fell off it. laughing
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        2. Warrawar
          Warrawar 24 December 2013 13: 13
          -1
          Quote: morpex
          Acorns were harvested on oak?

          Maybe they collected it. But the fact that in / in Ukraine there is no armored tank industry is a fact.


          Quote: morpex
          So what? It was better to cut them in martin?

          I think yes. Moreover, NATO offered to help in this and throw some more money.
          NATO offers Ukraine to destroy 2000 T-64 tanks

          The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) will offer Ukraine to cut into pieces and re-melt old Soviet T-64 tanks
          A NATO delegation will arrive in Kiev at the end of July to discuss this issue. The destruction of tanks will be funded by donor countries under the Trust Fund for the NATO Partnership for Peace program.
          http://hvylya.org/news/digest/nato-predlagaet-ukraine-unichtozhit-2000-tankov-t-
          64.html
          NATO will offer Ukraine to cut into pieces and melt the old Soviet T-64 tanks, Capital reports, referring to the project manager of the NSPA (NATO Agency for Material and Technical Support) in Ukraine, Vasily Litvinchuk.

          A NATO delegation will arrive in Kiev at the end of July to discuss this issue. The destruction of tanks will be funded by donor countries under the Trust Fund for the NATO Partnership for Peace program.
          http://topwar.ru/30783-nato-prosit-ukrainu-izbavitsya-ot-2000-tankov.html
          Quote: morpex
          T-64 illiquid? Not a good tank? You are definitely on an oak tree. Or you probably fell off it.

          T-64 garbage can.
          1. morpex
            morpex 24 December 2013 13: 25
            +5
            Quote: Warrawar
            T-64 garbage can.

            This, as you say, the garbage can, faithfully served to defend the frontiers of the USSR for more than two decades and gave a start to life for the entire subsequent tank fleet of Russia and Ukraine.
            It’s you who’s carrying the slop. I suspect that it’s only because the good news came from Ukraine. laughing
            Quote: Warrawar
            But the fact that in / in Ukraine there is no armored tank industry is a fact.

            Fact? Give the facts. For I have other information.
            1. Warrawar
              Warrawar 24 December 2013 13: 37
              -3
              Quote: morpex
              This, as you say, the garbage can, faithfully served to protect the frontiers of the USSR for over two decades

              The MS-1 tank also faithfully defended the borders of the USSR, but as it was a garbage can, it remained so. And now his place in the museum, as well as the T-64.

              Quote: morpex
              It’s you who’s carrying the slop. I suspect that it’s only because the good news came from Ukraine.

              What? The good news is "the beginning of sales of the T-64 tank"? No, this is not good news at all, but rather bad. Because it clearly shows the degree of degradation of the Ukrainian industry, which is incapable of doing nothing but selling scrap metal taken out of service more than twenty years ago.
              We are waiting for new "good" news from Ukraine, ala: "Ukroboronprom has started selling the T-34 tank and the Mosin rifle."
              1. Jake danzels
                Jake danzels 24 December 2013 14: 40
                +4
                Quote: Warrawar
                Because it clearly shows the degree of degradation of Ukrainian industry, which is unable to do anything but sell scrap metal, withdrawn from service more than twenty years ago.

                Khe..khe..you something is burning on the stove.
                But essentially, where has it been removed from service for 20 years? Surprise me :) I'm all waiting.
                1. Warrawar
                  Warrawar 24 December 2013 14: 58
                  -4
                  Quote: Jake Danzels
                  Khe..khe..you something is burning on the stove.
                  But essentially, where has it been removed from service for 20 years? Surprise me :) I'm all waiting.

                  I'm talking about the Russian Federation. Ukraine is understandable, and in 50 years it will ride "bulat" and "farrow".
                  1. Jake danzels
                    Jake danzels 24 December 2013 17: 22
                    +3
                    Well, the wedge did not converge in Russia, this is so in the first place.
                    What kind of equipment and what period will be in service with Ukraine, this is purely the concern of this state, and your comments past the cash register, this is secondly (take a look at how long the T-72B has been armed and how old it is - I am in no way opposed to this BTT representative, but reasoning sensibly, the T-72BZ is inferior to the T-80 at times, the latter is being actively withdrawn from service)
                    And thirdly, "dear", how did you bring yourself to such a state? Anger rushes from all holes, who offended you so?

                    Z.Y. less pathos, advice for a future life.
    2. rosomir
      rosomir 24 December 2013 08: 33
      +5
      The tank has been modernized (as in its time the AK-47. The tank was created with the enormous potential for modernization initially laid down, which our designers are now using.
    3. rolik2
      rolik2 24 December 2013 09: 25
      +10
      Quote: And Us Rat
      And they call it a "new project" ?!

      So in Russia, "new" T-72B3s are being put into service. Pay no attention to journalistic bloopers.
    4. Akim
      Akim 24 December 2013 10: 27
      +8
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Are they going to sell a 1963 tank?

      Do not carry nonsense. It seems like a smart person. Now it’s even hard to find the T-64A, and not the firstborn.
    5. morpex
      morpex 24 December 2013 12: 09
      +3
      Quote: And Us Rat
      Are they going to sell a 1963 tank? And they call it a "new project" ?! Today is not like April 1st belay

      T-34 stuffed with modern electronics, put the 125 mm gun and replace the power unit, what will it be worse than the tanks that are in service now? So, the April joke is not here ...
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 24 December 2013 12: 53
        +1
        Valera, it would be worthwhile first to recall the study of the designers regarding the installation of a gun in t 34 100 mm guns, and then carry nonsense about a 125 mm gun. The same goes for your stupidity about replacing a power plant. For this, you have to redraw the hull, strengthen the chassis, in short, create a new tank for a triple price.
        P.S. One gets the feeling that this comment was written instead of you by your son, a middle school student in a secondary school.
        1. morpex
          morpex 24 December 2013 13: 13
          0
          Quote: Hudo
          For this, you have to redraw the hull, strengthen the chassis, in short, create a new tank for a triple price.

          But is this possible? Really? And who knows what the price will be there. Okay. I agree with you about the power plant and the cannon. But if it is stuffed with modern means, than not an efficient tank?
          I just wrote for comparison that in modern realities you can upgrade any old tack. I was hurt that the T-64 was almost called trash. The T-72 is practically the same age as it, but nevertheless, it’s still in different modernized ones the version is in service and in the course of its life is still long. Also with t_64.
          1. Kars
            Kars 24 December 2013 13: 29
            +8
            Quote: morpex
            After all, the T-72 is almost the same age

            and do not forget that it is a simplified version of the T-64 for mass production and operation by a contingent mobilized from the reserve. Moreover, this T-72 tank was chosen for sale in third countries as a machine that does not represent a threat to disclose secret data on tank construction of the USSR.
          2. Hudo
            Hudo 24 December 2013 13: 30
            +1
            Quote: morpex

            But is this possible? Really? And who knows what price there will be.

            The hunchbacked Cossack is also tuned, though for the kind of money that he takes the hell. But the hunchbacked car is a legend, with charisma, not to mention the sixty-four.
            Quote: morpex
            After all, the T-72 is practically the same age as it, but nevertheless, until now, the version in different modernized versions is in service and has a long life along the way. It’s also with t_64.

            No not too! t 72 there is someone to upgrade and there is for what means. His vi-va-vi has neither one nor the other. Before entering into any contract, the potential customer inquires about the supplier. And what will he see on ZIM? But he will see but the general theft and cut, dull pensioners in the workshops and well-fed manager-coekakers in the administration building. And all ... drain the water.
            1. Warrawar
              Warrawar 24 December 2013 14: 08
              -2
              Quote: Hudo
              Before entering into any contract, the potential customer inquires about the supplier. And what will he see on ZIM?

              And on ZIM, he will see this:



              и

      2. Warrawar
        Warrawar 24 December 2013 13: 07
        -4
        Quote: morpex
        T-34 stuffed with modern electronics, put the 125 mm gun and replace the power unit, what will it be worse than the tanks that are in service now? So, the April joke is not here ...

        And it will flash through the first line at least on 7,62.
        1. morpex
          morpex 24 December 2013 13: 29
          +3
          Quote: Warrawar
          And it will flash through the first line at least on 7,62.

          Yeah. Marasmus grew stronger ... Do you yourself understand what you are writing? Who will sew it up? Are you smoking? wassat
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 24 December 2013 14: 11
            -1
            Quote: morpex
            Yeah. Marasmus grew stronger ... Do you yourself understand what you are writing? Who will sew it up? Are you smoking?

            Ahahahah, okay - "before the first RPG."
            1. alone
              alone 24 December 2013 19: 42
              +6
              laughing if yesterday someone would say something against the T-64, here for sure
              would have ruined him with comments and minuses. As soon as information appeared that Ukraine offers the T-64 for export, it is already called a "garbage bucket." People you will decide how you can call the T-64 a bucket, if this "Bucket" protected the country from the enemy?
  7. major071
    major071 24 December 2013 08: 11
    +7
    T-64 is a transition model and it has many shortcomings. To sell it you need to be well modernized, and that’s a lot of money. In the form in which it is today most likely in warehouses of long-term storage, you can not sell it. soldier
    1. morpex
      morpex 24 December 2013 12: 56
      0
      Quote: major071
      T-64 is a transition model and it has many shortcomings

      Why transitional? This is the first main battle tank. In 1987, it was still in service with the GSVG under the designation T-64A and T64B. At that time, it was only slightly inferior in its characteristics to the German Leopard, which was then the best. And if it is now modernized, it will work out. sweetie.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 24 December 2013 13: 06
        +1
        Quote: morpex
        . And if you upgrade it now you get candy.

        No, nothing will work out for a simple reason - no one will give money for it, but there is no own money and is not expected. The situation with the Thai contract and a disruption in the delivery time is the best anti-advertising.
        1. morpex
          morpex 24 December 2013 13: 31
          -1
          Quote: Hudo
          No, nothing will work out for a simple reason - no one will give money for it

          Nuuu! So this is a completely different story .. Nothing related to the TTX T-64 and its modernization.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 24 December 2013 14: 18
            +1
            Quote: morpex
            Quote: Hudo
            No, nothing will work out for a simple reason - no one will give money for it

            Nuuu! So this is a completely different story .. Nothing related to the TTX T-64 and its modernization.

            We will leave Valera, TTX t 64 alone, as well as the reliable operation of this BTT representative.
            About any modernization (except for piece samples) we can not go in principle. The reasons (IMHO) are listed below:
            - complete collapse of production and the lack of a sufficient number of technical personnel at ZiM.
            - Absolute lack of financial opportunities within the simulacra state.
            - doubts of potential customers about the viability of their potential partners and the full realization that a contract with Ukrainian authorities is fraught with scam.
      2. major071
        major071 24 December 2013 13: 13
        +5
        Transitional in the sense that it was the first tank with a new layout, loading mechanism, and all the new products that were later used on the T-72 were tested on it. And the tank is really good, I started driving and fire training in it in 1989-1993.
      3. Warrawar
        Warrawar 24 December 2013 13: 16
        -1
        Quote: morpex
        if you upgrade it now you get candy.

        sweet stuffed with poop.
  8. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 24 December 2013 08: 20
    -6
    But how about BTR 4 does not work?
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 24 December 2013 08: 25
      -4
      Quote: Dwarfik
      But how about BTR 4 does not work?

      Why not, it will even work out))
    2. Akim
      Akim 24 December 2013 10: 29
      +3
      Quote: Dwarfik
      But how about BTR 4 does not work?

      Do you have the exact materials, what happened there? *
      1. velikoros-xnumx
        velikoros-xnumx 24 December 2013 10: 51
        0
        Quote: Akim
        Do you have the exact materials, what happened there? *

        Hello Akim. As always, you are true to yourself in an attempt to protect everything Ukrainian. Have you tried to be a little more objective and impartial? I understand that it is difficult for all of us to some extent to sin with bias (I’m sinful myself, but I try to cut off the personal and not give out the wishful thinking, although of course it doesn’t always work out). I meet your comments with regards to Ukrainian - it is so pleasant and interesting to read.
        1. Akim
          Akim 24 December 2013 11: 01
          +4
          Quote: velikoros-xnumx
          As always, you are true to yourself in an attempt to protect everything Ukrainian.

          I do not defend Ukrainian. That's exactly what is objective. And so I asked a question. And purely in Odessa - a question for a question. Apparently Dwarfika has some information what is wrong with them.
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 24 December 2013 11: 11
            -7
            Quote: Akim
            I do not defend Ukrainian. That's exactly what is objective. And so I asked a question. And purely in Odessa - a question for a question. Apparently Dwarfika has some information what is wrong with them.

            Everything is wrong with him. Iraq abandoned these pseudo-armored personnel carriers and terminated the contract.
            1. sapran
              sapran 24 December 2013 11: 22
              +2
              Wow !!!! when did this moment happen? !!!! laughing
            2. Akim
              Akim 24 December 2013 11: 27
              +2
              Quote: Warrawar
              Iraq abandoned these pseudo-armored personnel carriers and terminated the contract.

              This is the first time I hear it. Where are the "firewoods" from?
              1. morpex
                morpex 24 December 2013 13: 36
                +4
                Quote: Akim
                Quote: Warrawar
                Iraq abandoned these pseudo-armored personnel carriers and terminated the contract.

                This is the first time I hear it. Where are the "firewoods" from?

                wassat You look what he writes in general! For him, everything from Ukraine is a mess! laughing Both tanks and armored personnel carriers. Well, no man was sober in the morning!
                1. Warrawar
                  Warrawar 24 December 2013 14: 12
                  -7
                  Quote: morpex
                  You look what he writes in general! For him, everything from Ukraine is a mess! Both tanks and armored personnel carriers. Well, no man was sober in the morning!

                  uh, I don’t drink. Unlike you - subhuman.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 24 December 2013 14: 22
                    +4
                    Quote: Warrawar
                    Unlike you - subhuman

                    Halt Hitler, Mine Führer!
                  2. morpex
                    morpex 24 December 2013 21: 31
                    0
                    Quote: Warrawar
                    Quote: morpex
                    You look what he writes in general! For him, everything from Ukraine is a mess! Both tanks and armored personnel carriers. Well, no man was sober in the morning!

                    uh, I don’t drink. Unlike you - subhuman.

                    What ranks are you in the SS superman? Reading "Mein Kampf" at night is harmful!
            3. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 24 December 2013 15: 32
              +4
              Quote: Warrawar
              Iraq abandoned these pseudo-armored personnel carriers and terminated the contract.

              can't troll - don't grab it lol
        2. sapran
          sapran 24 December 2013 11: 21
          +4
          In order not to touch the Akim, I have a question for you regarding the poor Iraqi BTR-4. Do you have information on them, or there is a statement that the contract is terminated. ... and for whom at the moment is the sampling of these same BTR-4 at the factory?
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 24 December 2013 11: 40
            -3
            Quote: sapran
            In order not to touch the Akim, I have a question for you regarding the poor Iraqi BTR-4. Do you have information on them, or there is a statement that the contract is terminated. ... and for whom at the moment is the sampling of these same BTR-4 at the factory?

            42 armored personnel carriers, which were delivered to Umm Qasr in the spring, were found to be defective, with cracks in the hull.

            A Singapore ship SE PACIFICA with a load of Ukrainian armored vehicles for the Iraqi army has been standing in neutral waters in the Persian Gulf for three months due to the unwillingness of official Baghdad to accept the order.

            42 pieces of equipment that SE PACIFICA (Singapore flag, owner - White Whale Shipping-ed.) Delivered to Umm Qasr this spring turned out to be defective, with cracks in the hull. The Iraqis refused to unload them ashore, and now the ship is anchored in neutral waters - at approximately the same distance from Kuwait, Iran and Iraq - waiting to resolve the issue.
            http://zn.ua/UKRAINE/irak-otkazalsya-prinimat-ukrainskie-btr-iz-za-braka-126742_
            .html

            Azerbaijan refused to purchase Ukrainian armored personnel carriers BTR-3 and BTR-4
            Iraq also sent back 42 BTR-4 armored personnel carriers

            Baku - APA. The Iraqi army refused to adopt Ukrainian-made BTR-4 armored personnel carriers.
            But according to information received by APA from military sources, Azerbaijan refused the BTR-3 and BTR-4 transporters proposed by Ukraine several years ago. The reason for this was problems with welding, as well as difficulties encountered during the transportation of personnel. Similar problems exist in the BTR-4.

            “In terms of a number of important indicators, the BTR-3 and BTR-4 practically do not differ from their predecessors BTR-70 and BTR-80. The armor protection is not enhanced, and control remains just as difficult, ”the sources say.
            http://ru.apa.az/news/255569

            Iraq refused to accept a batch of defective Ukrainian-made armored personnel carriers - media
            A Singapore ship SE PACIFICA with a load of Ukrainian armored vehicles for the Iraqi army has been standing in neutral waters in the Persian Gulf for three months due to the unwillingness of official Baghdad to accept the order. This is evidenced by sources in the Odessa company - the representative of the shipowner.
            http://news.finance.ua/ru/~/1/0/all/2013/08/02/306572

            Iraq does not accept Ukrainian armored personnel carriers because of Russians: They use black PR and try to disrupt the contract. VIDEO Source: http://censor.net.ua/v255042 Source: http://censor.net.ua/v255042
            again matskali in trousers to ukram shame.
            http://censor.net.ua/video_news/255042/irak_ne_prinimaet_ukrainskie_btry_izza_ro
            ssiyan_oni_ispolzuyut_chernyyi_piar_i_pytayutsya_sorvat_kontrakt



            1. sapran
              sapran 24 December 2013 11: 52
              +3
              I understand that "This is-" Where is the official document that is posted on the websites of the Ministry of Defense and the companies of exporters and importers? !!! Of the 42 armored personnel carriers YOU declared sent to Ukraine, 21 are traveling around Iraq somehow sideways, the second set is "looking for" the declared cracks, but so far they have found flaws of a different nature and they are really not pleasant for the customer and spoil the reputation of the car, but since Salamatin and Co tried these are "flowers" ..
              1. Warrawar
                Warrawar 24 December 2013 11: 59
                -6
                Quote: sapran
                I understand that "This is-" Where is the official document that is posted on the websites of the Ministry of Defense and the companies of exporters and importers? !!!

                Ahahaha, the last argument of the "hurray-patriot". Accept the simple truth - Ukraine is not a state, of African style, you have nothing to shine in this life. Soon, sign an association with the EU and you will grow rapeseed and corn. What armored personnel carriers ... are you talking about, forget.
                1. sapran
                  sapran 24 December 2013 12: 01
                  +6
                  Thank you for the weather forecast. wink ... but in essence what shall we say?
                  1. Warrawar
                    Warrawar 24 December 2013 12: 39
                    -2
                    Quote: sapran
                    but in essence what shall we say?

                    In essence, armored personnel carriers were rejected and sent to (or "B") Ukraine, a torn contract, a completely undermined reputation, a dying Ukrainian military-industrial complex, a maidan in the capital (which is not a skating mask) and Nenka, who is living out its last days.
                2. rolik2
                  rolik2 24 December 2013 12: 45
                  +5
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  Accept the simple truth - Ukraine is a non-state, an African outfit, you have nothing to shine in this life.

                  You know, there is such a joke
                  The inspector checks the warehouse, everything is fine, there is nothing to complain about, but he needs to come to the fire shield and come on, then the length of the gaff does not correspond to GOST, then it is painted out of tone, then the shovel is poorly sharpened, the ensign spat threw everything off the shield and says "Write - a drawback one, the shield is not complete. "
                  So here the guns either do not shoot, sometimes it cracks in the armor cracks - that is, one thing .. but but US has the best armored personnel carrier, it is true one drawback - it has not yet been created.
                  1. Warrawar
                    Warrawar 24 December 2013 13: 21
                    -5
                    Quote: rolik2
                    Quote: Warrawar
                    Accept the simple truth - Ukraine is a non-state, an African outfit, you have nothing to shine in this life.

                    You know, there is such a joke
                    The inspector checks the warehouse, everything is fine, there is nothing to complain about, but he needs to come to the fire shield and come on, then the length of the gaff does not correspond to GOST, then it is painted out of tone, then the shovel is poorly sharpened, the ensign spat threw everything off the shield and says "Write - a drawback one, the shield is not complete. "
                    So here the guns either do not shoot, sometimes it cracks in the armor cracks - that is, one thing .. but but US has the best armored personnel carrier, it is true one drawback - it has not yet been created.

                    The joke is dumb and off topic.
                    If the hunt is pricked up in the direction of Russia, then yes, our armored personnel carrier is also shit (BTR-82). But at least he rides without cracks.
                    1. rolik2
                      rolik2 24 December 2013 13: 32
                      +2
                      Quote: Warrawar
                      But at least he rides without cracks.

                      Dear, if you do nothing and just engage in verbiage, then Nichrome and will not work.
                      At one time, the T-64 was brought to mind for about 10 years. Do you want a super duper machine on the first try?
                      The BTR-4 already has 4 versions, so I think the result will be a normal car.
                      1. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 24 December 2013 13: 57
                        -3
                        Quote: rolik2
                        The BTR-4 already has 4 versions, so I think the result will be a normal car.

                        No, it will not. BTR-4 is, morally obsolete, a wheeled samovar, outdated for many years, before it was conceived by Ukrainian homemade products.
                        BTR-4 is a makeshift version of the BTR 70/80, which were inferior to the western competitor already at the time when the first copies of them left the assembly line 30-40 years ago.
                        And by modern standards, these Soviet armored personnel carriers (armored personnel carriers 82 and armored personnel carriers-4) cannot be considered armored vehicles at all, they are rather traveling mock-ups or mobile scrap metal.
                        Normal APCs look like this:



                        Finnish Patria.
                      2. rolik2
                        rolik2 24 December 2013 14: 06
                        +4
                        Quote: Warrawar
                        BTR-4 is a makeshift version of the BTR 70/80

                        Well, you really have a cocky plan.
                      3. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 24 December 2013 14: 22
                        -3
                        Quote: rolik2
                        Quote: Warrawar
                        BTR-4 is a makeshift version of the BTR 70/80

                        Well, you really have a cocky plan.

                        Really:

                        70 BTR


                        BTR-4
                      4. rolik2
                        rolik2 24 December 2013 14: 25
                        +5
                        Well, yes, as I had not noticed before - the wheels are the same. request
                      5. Warrawar
                        Warrawar 24 December 2013 15: 24
                        -6
                        Quote: rolik2
                        Well, yes, as I had not noticed before - the wheels are the same. request

                        BTR-4, this is a Soviet BTR, a sample of 70-80 years of the last century. Only a blind person can overlook this.
                      6. sapran
                        sapran 24 December 2013 15: 29
                        +3
                        Go to the Doctor, I personally worry about your health as you have started visual hallucinations. I don’t even remember an experimental car (I’m cunning)
                  2. sapran
                    sapran 24 December 2013 14: 33
                    +3
                    but this is already stupidity ... and sadness ... You said something about "Hurray-patriots" look in the mirror and someone can be seen. Or you "troll" (then this is understandable) or very far from BT technology. I understand what you can say about this photo and find a similarity in design between the BTR-80 and BTR-3E1.
  9. Akim
    Akim 24 December 2013 11: 56
    +4
    Quote: Warrawar
    Warrawar

    Two videos - one piece prepared by one person. In the end, it was said about official complaints. There were none. Maybe you have them? Or as Americans - I believe only what they show on TV?
  • self-propelled
    self-propelled 24 December 2013 12: 31
    +1
    regarding problems with the Iraqi contract for Ukrainian armored personnel carriers
    Problems with the contract began with the failure of the first delivery of 26 combat vehicles sent by the Iraqi Defense Ministry with an almost six-month delay.
    The second batch of armored personnel carriers in the number of 62 units was delivered to the customer one and a half years later - in November of 2012. The victorious reports of D.Peregudov and D.Salamatin himself, who, on the eve of sending this party, diligently informed V. Yanukovych how he “dispelled the clouds over the contract”, and in fact simply “divorced” the president, were very well remembered about this.
    In the same way, it was possible to “dissolve” the head of the government, who issued a letter with commitments that guaranteed the fulfillment by the Progress of this foreign economic agreement by the government of Ukraine, as well as the corresponding compensation to the Iraq Defense Ministry in case of its breakdown.
    As they say in the "Ukroboronprom", that cracks appeared in the armor of this batch of armored personnel carriers, the company did not say just lazy. I have no doubt that, informing the president about the resolution of problematic issues and receiving a guarantee from the government, would-be heads of state-owned companies knew about the cracks in the armor. Of course, it is necessary to thoroughly investigate the question of which of the officials of Ukroboronprom and Ukrspetsexport, despite the identified defects, instructed to send the batch with defects to the customer.
    It is also very interesting how and why the Minister of Defense D. Salamatin signed an order on the adoption of this type of military equipment with numerous defects and flaws in the weapons of the Ukrainian army. By the way, the General Prosecutor's Office, which, as it became recently known from prosecutors, has opened criminal proceedings on the fact of abuse of authority by officials of the Ministry of Defense, has already thought about this.
    Did the Iraqi military know that there were cracks in the armor of this batch of equipment? I think they knew, but, quite possibly, they relied on very "weighty arguments."
    According to the old Ukrainian tradition, after the arrival of the equipment at the military base in Tajji, the figures from Ukrspetsexport forgot about the transfer of "weighty arguments" to the interested Iraqi military. It was after this that the Iraqi military began to "actively" identify cracks in the armor.
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 24 December 2013 12: 35
      -3
      here is the photo
      cracks in Iraqi armored personnel carrier
      1. Akim
        Akim 24 December 2013 12: 43
        +2
        Quote: self-propelled
        here is the photo
        cracks in Iraqi armored personnel carrier

        Do you believe that my face is on the avatar? Because the body is native. I cooked it up in 15 minutes.
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 24 December 2013 13: 11
          +1
          Quote: Akim
          Do you believe that my face is on the avatar? Because the body is native. I cooked it up in 15 minutes.

          well, dear, with this approach you can ask to confirm each of your comments with a "document with a stamp". The fact that the epic with the BTR-4 has a certain political connotation is indisputable. Just don't blame everything on politicians.
          material taken from http://gazeta.zn.ua/internal/ya-pomnyu-vse-tvoi-treschinki-_.html
          1. Kars
            Kars 24 December 2013 13: 26
            +3
            Quote: self-propelled
            well, dear, with this approach you can

            And let’s you find a couple of photos of cracks in the BTR-4 armored hull. Iraq has been using them for more than a year. And you post a very dubious photo.
          2. Akim
            Akim 24 December 2013 13: 26
            +1
            Quote: self-propelled
            Just do not push everything to politicians.

            What for? if there is evidence of the crappy quality of the BTR, let them just show it. This contract makes me neither warm nor cold. If he really is rubbish - and rightly so. Just show. (here I’m from a different angle to the avatar so I don’t attach my face so as not to notice the difference).
          3. rolik2
            rolik2 24 December 2013 13: 27
            +8
            Quote: self-propelled
            confirm each of your comments with a "document with a postmark"


            And here are two cracks ... no three laughing
            1. Kars
              Kars 24 December 2013 13: 33
              +5
              Quote: rolik2
              no three

              This photo is an indisputable evidence of the devotion spawned by the American intelligence services with the use of a rassomaha (also real)
      2. morpex
        morpex 24 December 2013 13: 45
        +3
        Quote: self-propelled
        cracks in Iraqi armored personnel carrier

        At the factory, the receiving party was very pleased with the quality! My son personally saw the joyful faces of the Arabs and heard them clapping their tongues with admiration. It begs. BTR, what? Have you replaced them on the way? Another reason seems to me here. And you all know her perfectly. COMPETITION! And the main thing is its weapon is to discredit a competitor ...
        1. self-propelled
          self-propelled 24 December 2013 13: 48
          +1
          for you, I dropped the link where I got the data from. I would like to see a link where there is a refutation of this fact. you are welcome.
          with respect hi
          1. morpex
            morpex 24 December 2013 14: 08
            +1
            http://vpk.name/news/98455_rossiya_pyitaetsya_sorvat_kontrakt_na_postavku_450_uk
            rainskih_btr_v_irak__smi.html
            This is just one of the reasons for this squeal about Ukrainian armored personnel carriers.
            1. self-propelled
              self-propelled 24 December 2013 16: 19
              +1
              "... Acting head of Ukrspetsexport Oleksandr Kovalenko with officials of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff left for Iraq to resolve the conflict. One of the options discussed involves the departure of workers of the Malyshev plant to the Middle East, so that they fix the equipment on the spot... Perhaps the Iraqis will then agree to the purchase, but with a large discount ... "
              Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/news/16958
              1. sapran
                sapran 24 December 2013 16: 30
                0
                A little bit not as you presented in the article ...
                Accepted 21 cars without any comments from this batch, some of the cars after defect detection, as you indicated, will be brought on the spot, some of the cars will be returned for replacement (elimination of the identified deficiencies).
                1. self-propelled
                  self-propelled 24 December 2013 22: 26
                  0
                  Quote: sapran
                  A little bit not as you presented in the article ...

                  For the sake of interest, did you follow the link? Have you read the article? or so?
                  and further. Was the fact of a technology defect?
                  Quote: sapran
                  part of the machines after the defect, as you indicated, will be given on the spot; some of the machines will be returned for replacement (elimination of identified deficiencies)
                  ... otherwise, some gentlemen see only a "Russian trace", stubbornly ignoring the fact of the delivery of substandard equipment. By the way, the press service of the state company "Ukrspetsexport" does not give any comments on this matter, referring to the confidential nature of the information and added that "the specified contract is being carried out in a regular mode, the company will officially announce the completion of its next stage."
  • Omskgasmyas
    Omskgasmyas 24 December 2013 08: 20
    -2
    The sale of junk withdrawn from service even during the Soviet Union due to fatal problems with the chassis indicates the desperate situation of Ukrainian gunsmiths. A recent failed attempt to sell defective armored personnel carriers to Iraq yells that normal hands in Ukraine are long over, there are only managers and crooked pens of those who are not in demand even with a polisher or an auxiliary worker abroad.
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 24 December 2013 10: 26
      -3
      Quote: Omskgazmyas
      there were only managery and crooked pens


      No, just Ukrainians were left. The Russians either grew old or left. And Ukrainians do not know how to think promisingly. If only to sell.
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 24 December 2013 12: 01
        -4
        Admins ay. In the original, I wrote not the Ukrainians but y * k * p * s. Why a replacement?
        1. rolik2
          rolik2 24 December 2013 12: 48
          +1
          Quote: Tatarus
          Admins ay. In the original, I wrote not the Ukrainians but y * k * p * s. Why a replacement?

          By the fact that, unlike you sucker, they are normal men, and can read the rules of the site.
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  • VADEL
    VADEL 24 December 2013 08: 27
    -2
    Soon, stone axes (developed in Ukraine) will be reached. Will be in great demand in the international market among the tribes of the Amazon wassat
    1. Apollo
      24 December 2013 08: 51
      +11
      The state enterprise Ukroboronservis, which is part of the state concern Ukroboronprom, is working to bring the T-64 tank to the international market. This was reported in the press service of "Ukroboronprom" with reference to the director of "Ukroboronservis" Sergey Mikityuk.

      “The implementation of the T-64 project should open a new page in the history of both Ukroboronservis and Ukroboronprom as a whole. There is confidence in the success of this product, which surpasses many analogues by the criterion. "price quality"- quotes the press service of Mikityuk.



      Good morning everybody hi

      I read the comments .......... and honestly I do not understand the bile and sarcasm in the comments of individual visitors. They fought in Ukraine as if it were not a fraternal state. And everything is not so and not so.The economy of Ukraine needs hard currency. Like air.T-64 tanks will not compete with today's modern Russian tanks exported. Most likely, T-64 will be delivered to third world countries. As I can see from my quote, the most important price is if someone perceives T-64 as a threat to export to Russian tanks, but then I just have nothing to add.



      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 24 December 2013 10: 28
        0
        Quote: Apollon
        They took up arms against Ukraine as if it were not a fraternal state.

        The Ukrainian people are fraternal, but the state is not. Sometimes it became generally hostile.
        1. Akim
          Akim 24 December 2013 10: 41
          +3
          Quote: Tatarus
          The Ukrainian people are fraternal, but the state is not.

          And if the state is an enemy, then in which case you will shoot at your brother.
          1. Warrawar
            Warrawar 24 December 2013 11: 10
            -8
            Quote: Akim
            And if the state is an enemy, then in which case you will shoot at your brother.

            what Ukrainians are doing.
            1. Akim
              Akim 24 December 2013 11: 32
              +4
              Quote: Warrawar
              what Ukrainians are doing.

              That's probably Russian mercenaries asking for nationality. (like a Huguenot Catholic).
          2. Tatarus
            Tatarus 24 December 2013 12: 05
            -4
            And my brother will not lift the barrel against me. And what kind of brother will he raise? Your state has betrayed ours more than once. If you all endure such a state as a people, then why should I consider you such brothers. We help you, and you spit in our faces. Akim, in short, go to the Maidan, where you will express yours.
            1. Akim
              Akim 24 December 2013 12: 23
              +2
              Quote: Tatarus
              Akim, in short, go to the Maidan there, I’ll express

              Where to go, it's up to me. Do you really think that if you come to the territory of the enemy Ukraine, you will meet with bouquets?
          3. Tatarus
            Tatarus 24 December 2013 12: 09
            -3
            And how can my brother serve the state which is my enemy? Drive?
            1. Akim
              Akim 24 December 2013 12: 25
              -1
              Quote: Tatarus
              And how can my brother serve the state which is my enemy?

              I live in this state and this is my land. With brotherly love, as you do not climb.
              1. Warrawar
                Warrawar 24 December 2013 12: 42
                -2
                Quote: Akim
                I live in this state and this is my land. With brotherly love, as you do not climb.

                But several millions of Ukrainian Gaster and prostitutes in Russian megalopolises climb.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 24 December 2013 12: 54
                  +4
                  Quote: Warrawar
                  But several millions of Ukrainian Gaster and prostitutes in Russian megalopolises climb.

                  Are you supposedly against it? It is beneficial for a businessman to get a good employee for little money. Brotherly love has nothing to do with it.
      2. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 24 December 2013 10: 46
        +5
        Greetings to all!

        I agree with Apollon, only we are not fraternal, but one people (for example, a good half of Siberia is inhabited by descendants of immigrants from Ukraine, I am no exception).
        Politicians always share power, and ordinary people suffer for it.

        Thanks for the additional videos.
      3. Hudo
        Hudo 24 December 2013 11: 07
        +6
        Quote: Apollon
        Most likely T-64 will be delivered to third world countries


        I sincerely doubt the availability of techies in third world countries who can ensure the operation and maintenance of the T 64 in a combat-ready condition, and I also consider it very doubtful whether the training of crews from poorly educated natives is possible.
        Most likely we are talking about the opportunity to help out for the sale of more than an excess of tanks a larger amount than for putting them into scrap metal.
        1. rolik2
          rolik2 24 December 2013 12: 51
          0
          Quote: Hudo
          I sincerely doubt the availability in the Third World of technicians who can ensure the operation and maintenance of the T 64 in a combat-ready condition

          So you want to say that the T-90 that you sell to third world countries is much simpler than the T-64?
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 24 December 2013 13: 03
            +1
            Quote: rolik2

            So you want to say that the T-90 that you sell to third world countries is much simpler than the T-64?

            Have you decided once again to sit in a puddle and let out bubbles of incompetence? Please!
            1) The article does not say a word about T 90. (translation of the arrows)
            2) If Algeria, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, India are third world countries, then "y" is clearly even lower class.
            3) 90, at least NEW than t 64, the technique for 40 with a tail of years you know, has taken a significant step forward.
          2. GastaClaus69
            GastaClaus69 24 December 2013 13: 07
            +2
            T-64 is not imprisoned for shaggy monkey paws. He needs a higher culture of those. service.
          3. Warrawar
            Warrawar 24 December 2013 13: 18
            0
            Quote: rolik2
            So you want to say that the T-90 that you sell to third world countries is much simpler than the T-64?

            India is one of the largest economies in the world and the largest exporter of military products. Country 3 of the world is clearly some other country, but not India.
            1. rolik2
              rolik2 24 December 2013 13: 35
              +4
              Quote: Warrawar
              India is one of the largest economies in the world

              A billion people and where more than half live in poverty and lack of minimum living conditions. So India is still a third world country like Algeria. If you put Ukraine among them, then I’m not talking about Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan.
    2. Warrawar
      Warrawar 24 December 2013 09: 38
      +3
      Quote: VADEL
      Soon, stone axes (developed in Ukraine) will be reached. Will be in great demand in the international market among the tribes of the Amazon wassat

      Soon the T-34s will begin to be removed from the pedestals and Panthers will be rolled out from the warehouses of the Odessa film studio.
      1. Akim
        Akim 24 December 2013 10: 33
        +3
        Quote: Warrawar
        and Panthers will be rolled out from the warehouses of the Odessa film studio.

        Did you see Panther there? There were no tanks at the Odessa film studio. Only armored cars and armored personnel carriers.
        1. alex-s
          alex-s 24 December 2013 11: 11
          +1
          Shaw, Panther have already * released ?! soldier
          1. Akim
            Akim 24 December 2013 11: 33
            +1
            Quote: alex-s
            Shaw, Panther have already * released?

            ??????????????????? Apparently missed, in general the fact of its presence.
            1. Warrawar
              Warrawar 24 December 2013 12: 21
              +1
              Quote: Akim
              ??????????????????? Apparently missed, in general the fact of its presence.

              Present the document that she was not there!
              1. Akim
                Akim 24 December 2013 12: 39
                +2
                Quote: Warrawar
                Present the document that she was not there!

                Well, if you tell me how you can store a tank in the garage of the Odessa film studio, higher than NI-1, I will show it.
          2. GastaClaus69
            GastaClaus69 24 December 2013 13: 17
            0
            Quote: alex-s
            Shaw, Panther have already * released?

            Apparently with 6 Su-24!
        2. Hug
          Hug 24 December 2013 16: 52
          +8
          Dear Akim, do not waste your energy on polemics with Warrawar - this is a real provocateur and a troll. Otherwise, it is very difficult to explain why he says "Black" in white. Although it is entirely possible that this is a real patriot with the cave clinic hates Ukraine.
  • Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 24 December 2013 08: 43
    -2
    Wow you removed my kament. Long live freedom of speech in VO, two-faced scum.
    1. ICT
      ICT 24 December 2013 09: 49
      +7
      Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
      two-faced scum.

      follow the language dear comrade, bring your thoughts clearly and clearly without malice and you will be happy (otherwise, a gray top will come and bite on the barrel)
  • bistrov.
    bistrov. 24 December 2013 08: 53
    0
    In my opinion, this is a deaf number. In order to upgrade the T-64 tank to an acceptable, modern look, you need to invest a lot of money and the sheepskin will not cost a mark. Moreover, the competition in the world market of this type of weapon is terrible.
    1. Hug
      Hug 24 December 2013 17: 04
      +1
      Quote: bistrov.
      In my opinion, this is a deaf number. In order to upgrade the T-64 tank to an acceptable, modern look, you need to invest a lot of money and the sheepskin will not cost a mark. Moreover, the competition in the world market of this type of weapon is terrible.


      I think that it’s not much more than upgrading the T-55 to the T-55-M8 A2 TIFON II variant (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyO_wVphqEU). And the output will be quite a serious tank that meets modern challenges. By the way, I understand that it is not Bulat that is going to sell, or am I mistaken?


      1. sapran
        sapran 24 December 2013 17: 15
        +1
        Most likely, idle capacity 115 of the plant in Kharkov will be used. Modernization options 4 main and several types of equipment for each option up to the conversion of the T-64 into BMPT-64. In principle, they still do not intersect with the T-72 at the entry level (it is not in competition). And then everything depends on the customer's pocket and the "national" bias ...
      2. Akim
        Akim 24 December 2013 17: 29
        +1
        Quote: Kram
        I think that it’s not much more than upgrading the T-55 to the T-55-M8 A2 TIFON II variant

        The Peruvians have so far suspended these plans. now they have in their minds the purchase of the T-90S and the conversion of part of the T-55 into tank support vehicles.
  • propolsky
    propolsky 24 December 2013 09: 07
    +1
    Each country has its own ways of modernizing its equipment, but until now everyone has been moving forward from T34 to T90, and then a reversal ... the third series "Back to the Future"?
    1. Akim
      Akim 24 December 2013 10: 36
      0
      Quote: propolsky
      but to this day everyone has moved forward from t34 to t90

      So what? Each product has its own customer. At least a modernized thirty-four. This is what they will not sell to Africa, how to give it a drink.
      1. sapran
        sapran 24 December 2013 11: 13
        +1
        Akim, where was the only T-64B1 sold (to which region (continent) country)? In addition, I am certainly not delighted with the "explosive mixture" that the upgraded T-72UA-1 tank received with a 5TDFMA-1 two-stroke engine with "garbage" in the form of a fan instead of the classic MTO that was developed for the T-72 AG s (factories different as I understood for the license did not want to unfasten No. ) But these vehicles, together with the exported Chinese tanks, will tread the path towards the African continent.
        It is very interesting for me to read the commentary of "friends-officers" about all the sins and shortcomings of the T-64, of course, I agree with most of these "shortcomings" laughing laughing laughing )
        If everything is so "sad" with the tank, what is so bad with the comments?
        For the T-72, he is not a competitor bully especially the T-64 BM "Bulat", For the Algerian T-90s he is not a competitor (the people there are just happy with what they already got on the "ball") to Iran. After the embargo, Southeast Asia remained ... and part of Africa.
        1. Akim
          Akim 24 December 2013 11: 37
          +4
          Quote: sapran
          remained Southeast Asia ... and part of Africa.

          Also South America. Tank really needs to study, and when foreigners studied at the Odessa School, they broke down the reliable T-55/54 (and in those days you know who we were friends with).
        2. Andrew 447
          Andrew 447 24 December 2013 13: 27
          +5
          And where was the only T-64B1 sold Colleague, you are not confusing anything. A tank with such an index was produced in large quantities in the 80s and was called ob.437, differed from ob.447 by the absence of missile weapon control units and antenna, but with the possibility of their installation if necessary. The main problem is T -64 / T-64B I think the practical lack of well-trained crews, especially mech.-water. According to the operating experience (large in the GSVG), an intelligent crew was formed only at the end of 1 year of service, taking into account real combat training. This tank was not liked by officers because poor knowledge of the materiel (especially who got into the Navy from the internal districts, Siberia and the Far East). In terms of armament I consider the best tank of that time.
          1. sapran
            sapran 24 December 2013 14: 04
            +1
            According to the "legend" to study the possibility of exploitation in sultry Angola in the amount of 10 pieces. from sultry Uzbekistan to no less "dashing" 90s (about 94 years old I can confuse with 97)
      2. Hudo
        Hudo 24 December 2013 11: 13
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        This is what they will not sell to Africa, how to give it a drink.


        Do not promise, Akim.
        The state enterprise "Ukroboronservice" is working on bringing the T-64 tank to the international market. This was announced in an interview by the director of the enterprise, which is part of the state concern "Ukroboronprom" Sergei Mikityuk, reports RBK-Ukraine ...
        ... The main customers of T-64 tanks are countries that use Soviet-made equipment. Primarily, these are regions of Africa, Southeast Asia, partly the countries of the Arab world ....

        http://glavnoe.ua/news/n159278

        Apparently in the "ukroboronprom" there are still specialist managers-swindlers who can sell a l0hu to an eared not only the sleeves from the vest and the dead donkey's ears, but also tanks t 64.
        1. Akim
          Akim 24 December 2013 11: 39
          0
          Quote: Hudo
          Apparently in the "ukroboronprom" there are still specialist managers-swindlers who can sell a l0hu to an eared not only the sleeves from the vest and the dead donkey's ears, but also tanks t 64.

          They drove BM Bulat to an exhibition in South Africa. Potential buyers said: too complicated.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 24 December 2013 11: 49
            0
            Quote: Akim
            They drove BM Bulat to an exhibition in South Africa. Potential buyers said: too complicated.


            They are for the press so gently put it. I think that in reality they have become obscure in a foreign language as they knew how to break the price for the Ukrainian miracle of technical thought.
            1. Akim
              Akim 24 December 2013 11: 59
              +3
              Quote: Hudo
              I think that in reality they have matured in a foreign language to

              And they bought a T-72UA1, which was modernized in Bulatov style.
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev 24 December 2013 18: 06
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            Potential buyers said: too complicated.

            Case from practice.
            At the OdVO (Wide Lan) district proving ground, on the tank directing line, there were 55 matches from which cadets of the United School were to shoot (i.e. Indians and Negroes, as on the Akim’s icon wink ) and our T-64B1. So they climbed into the 64 and began to "blunder" through the open hatches. They also expressed the opinion that it was "too complicated". To which my soldier said to them: yes, this tank is not for average minds ...
            Then I sent them home, but very puzzled - they all tried to understand: what kind of "average minds" are these? lol
  • sergey72
    sergey72 24 December 2013 09: 19
    +2
    Well, I don’t know ... My father’s acquaintances and friends, T-64 officers did not praise to put it mildly ... This was especially true for the chassis and engine ...
  • tomket
    tomket 24 December 2013 09: 20
    +1
    why not Ukrainians bring t-34 to the market ??? I am sure this machine has great prospects, for example, in African countries.
  • Jitel
    Jitel 24 December 2013 09: 22
    0
    Completely new project. It’s ridiculous. Designed in Ukraine. It’s ridiculous. A tricky move to sell old tanks to Africa? That's for sure. Only now, perhaps, few people will be interested in this move by a pig.
  • ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 24 December 2013 09: 23
    +1
    If they have made 10 tanks for their army for all the time of independence, what kind of fool should be to buy their product?
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 24 December 2013 11: 19
      0
      Quote: ilya_oz
      If they made 10 tanks for their army for all the time of independence,


      You're not right. There was also a Pakistani contract.
      On July 30, 1996, a contract was signed to supply Pakistan with 320 T-80UD tanks worth $ 650 million. The first batch of 15 tanks was shipped on February 20, 1997. The entire contract was completed in November 1999. The production rate was 100-110 cars per year.
      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4_%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B5%D
      0%BD%D0%B8_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8B%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B0#.D0.9F.D0.B0.D0.BA.D
      0.B8.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.BD.D1.81.D0.BA.D0.B8.D0.B9_.D0.BA.D0.BE.D0.BD.D1.82.D1
      .80.D0.B0.D0.BA.D1.82

      ... but this is in the past, and returning to this lost past is possible only with the help of a time machine, i.e. never.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 24 December 2013 09: 31
    +5
    Well, fun again ...
    Why didn't this same "Ukroboronservis" bring the T-64 to the world market before?
    Was it a pity to part? lol
    And now, after 25 - 30 years of "storage", what is the state of components and assemblies, electronics?
    How much will it cost recovery? Many of the components are no longer produced. The entire technical support system of this tank has sunk into oblivion.
    In general, it’s probably possible to paint and sell old tanks (they haven’t produced new ones since the end of the 80s) at a very low price. But not much, because even poor countries want to acquire reliable, combat-ready and maintainable BTT models.
    By the way, there are even more of these machines in Russia than in Ukraine, although they are not in service. There is a proposal to transfer them to "Ukroboronservice" for almost nothing, at the price of metal. wink
    1. sapran
      sapran 24 December 2013 11: 16
      +3
      Exactly the same state as the Russian T-72 and T80UD which are stored or our instructions are different are the basis? If your MO gives the go-ahead for pickup at the price of scrap metal, the decommissioned T-80UD delegation will leave within a week .. what? bully
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 24 December 2013 13: 24
        +1
        Quote: sapran
        Exactly the same state as the Russian T-72 and T80UD which are stored or our instructions are different are the basis? If your MO gives the go-ahead for pickup at the price of scrap metal, the decommissioned T-80UD delegation will leave within a week .. what?

        What instructions ... As if you do not know the share of the chaos of the Armed Forces and "here and there."
        I’m afraid that all T-80UDs were exported and sold a long time ago, and they spent money with ... and, that is, they spent it. wink
        And the article is not about the 80s, but about the t-64 of various modifications.
        1. sapran
          sapran 24 December 2013 14: 15
          0
          YES? I can post your fresh "storage" with 137 T-80uds awaiting disposal.
          At one time, there were several proposals from our Ministry of Defense to exchange the 184 89-year-old tanks from the Red Banner Carpathian Military District to the T-80UD that were in Russia ... did not grow together.
      2. Andrew 447
        Andrew 447 24 December 2013 13: 51
        +1
        Sorry, but your question is not correct. If Russia has money to buy decommissioned T-80UD from Ukraine at the price of scrap metal, then Ukraine simply has no money. Perhaps the cooperation of UVZ and Malyshev will create a certain level of modernization of the T-64 and T-80 that will allow and to Russian and Ukrainian modernizers to sell used equipment without interfering with each other, the main desire is even without the "kidalov".
        1. sapran
          sapran 24 December 2013 14: 29
          +2
          My answer will be somewhat different. Russian UVZ is not profitable to work on the modernization of the T-72 fleet, because it is very difficult to explain the fact that there are more than 20 different packages for the modernization of tanks based on the T-72 from more than 10 countries. and most importantly, it is not the Almomater plant that usually wins the tender, but the Poles, Slovaks, Czechs, Croats, South African Republics, Frenchmen, Italians, Germany and the same Ukraine. That is, Any tank repair plant puts in its 5 kopecks and UVZ considers that it is "not kosher"
          1. Andrew 447
            Andrew 447 24 December 2013 16: 23
            0
            Kosher, not kosher, is a matter of negotiations between stakeholders. Second: the composition of the modernization package and its cost, again taking into account the marketing component (the needs of the sales region). And most importantly, the DESIRE OF THE PARTIES (PLANTS). I mean exclusively the modernization of the T-64 and T-80.
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev 24 December 2013 17: 53
            +2
            We depart from the topic, friends! wink
            In the article about T-64 tanks, of which about 2 thousand in Ukraine, they wanted to (sharply) sell them. In my opinion it was written there.
            And here is the T-72 (those remaining from the Soviet Carpathian VO all have already been sold or brought into complete disrepair), T-80ud, etc.?
            Again, no one can say plainly:why didn’t they sell it before? What reason? The technique was newer, the factories without work, as everyone should well know, also do not get prettier from year to year.
            Instead of specifics, there is a "blizzard" about some tenders, modernization, exchange of tanks - rumors and nothing more. As if they themselves carry out these "tenders" with themselves. lol
            Only a few hundred MBTs are sold in the world per year. The most popular product (and the best modernization of the T-72) - the T-90 sold just over 1000 units in 10 years. All "tenders" are in plain sight with upgrades. yes
            To the case with the itch about the desire to sell the old (no new) 64s, the old, but wise saying goes: where the horse with the hoof, there is cancer with the claw.
            1. sapran
              sapran 24 December 2013 18: 27
              +1
              Explain plainly Why didn’t even stutter on the sale of the T-64 before:
              1. According to the agreement, we had the right to have up to 6 thousand MBTs, the largest percentage in the troops was the T-64 tank of various modifications, and it was assigned to the role of the main one in the state. (The primary task is to make the "equal" staffing of the BT Forces), all early modifications were withdrawn to various training and storage bases, some went for disposal
              2. The factory at first sweated like a damned one over securing the Pakistani order, a number of enterprises mastered the missing links of the technological cycle, repair plants were loaded with "hacks" like sawing equipment for Syria 350 T-54 (Kiev tank repair), repair of Armenian equipment from Nagorno-Karabakh, 120 -T-72AG (Kharkov 115) Lvovsky worked on trifles in African countries and repairing tractors, Zhitomir, Nikolaev were in flight since the BTR-70 and BMP-1,2 were repaired by Belarusians or were not in demand.
              3. After we had a new trend "YATAGAN" all forces were directed to its creation and fine-tuning "to the path." T-84 later T-84M
              and inside there was a need to modernize the available T-64BV fleet on the Bulat theme (the neighbors woke up and began to actively build up and modernize their aircraft)
              4. Confusion and hesitation, coupled with the "World Arctic fox", led to the idea of ​​radically and fundamentally reducing their aircraft and, according to the "... good old Ukrainian tradition," to trade with "overhead mine". I will explain that we have very "efficient managers working in tandem with the" directors of factories "" quickly realizing that it is necessary to produce something new from your own pocket. It is cheaper and easier to sell from the army reserves, and then the whistle began ...
              1. Alekseev
                Alekseev 24 December 2013 19: 59
                +3
                Quote: sapran
                Why didn’t even stutter about the sale of the T-64:

                I do not agree!
                There would be buyers, would sell, and the newest!
                Why are there no buyers?
                The T-64 has well-known technical flaws.
                T-64 is too complicated in the device for the planned market.
                Spare parts are not as accessible as, say, for the t-72.
                The manufacturer is, to put it mildly, not in a very good position.
                Co-operative chains for the production of components are broken.
                The MBT market is saturated, small, competition is very high.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 24 December 2013 21: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Alekseev
                  Why are there no buyers?
                  T-64 has a well-known

                  Who are they known abroad?
                  The main problem is that the T-64 has not been exported before.
                  1. Alekseev
                    Alekseev 24 December 2013 22: 39
                    0
                    Quote: Kars
                    Who are they known abroad?

                    Just a quote from a famous movie: what is your last name? I am an artist of large and small theaters, and my surname is too famous to be called! laughing
                    Everyone abroad knows perfectly well about the T-64, even Beshka went into the series, God forbid, in my opinion, in 1979.
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 24 December 2013 22: 52
                      +1
                      Quote: Alekseev
                      Everyone abroad knows perfectly well about the T-64, even Beshka went into the series, God forbid, in my opinion, in 1979


                      And while there, do you think they think that the T-64 continues to have all the same flaws as the first T-64?
                      at the same time, the T-72 has no less than any different flaws, and which are proven by practice.

                      And yet, I very much doubt that everyone knows perfectly there. Even if there are people who have exploited the T-64, there are fundamentally opposed = positive OPINIONS)))

                      Quote: Alekseev
                      Spare parts are not as accessible as, say, for the t-72.

                      I’ll continue - Ukraine just doesn’t sell armored vehicles, but complete with servicing. And access to ORIGINAL spare parts for those who bought T-64 from Ukraine will be better than now access to spare parts for T-72 where there are a lot of Chinese and Polish counterfacts. (By the way, Ukraine has mastered production of spare parts for the T-72, too)))
                      Quote: Alekseev
                      The manufacturer is not in a very good position, to say the least
                      But he does not need to manufacture, but only to modernize and overhaul (which HE incidentally does on a CONSTANT basis for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, at a slow pace but still). At the same time, MTO is being produced SERIAL and SELLED (IMPROVED)
                      1. Alekseev
                        Alekseev 25 December 2013 10: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        And while there, do you think they think that the T-64 continues to have all the same flaws as the first T-64?

                        The disadvantages are basically the same. But here quality the manufacture of these machines in the 80s was on par. How will it be now? There is little hope for the Soviet level ... request
                        And about the sale of equipment with such a level of reliability as the first 64-k is out of the question at all.
                        About spare parts. A lot of them, especially for armament, were produced in Russia, now many are not produced. Some kind of "ersatz" can be done, but, again, the quality (and price)
                        At one time D. Ustinov called the T-64B (rocket-cannon) tank "the national pride of the Soviet people."
                        The basis of this pride KUV "Cobra" was produced in Russia (Tochmash Nudelman), now it is removed from service and is not produced. That all the equipment of the GTN should be thrown away? Or give it for a song, without a guarantee? To put something new? The same story with the LMS. What will be the price then, will the "Indians and Negroes" pull it?
                        Yes, and they need some tanks. More reliable and easier.
                        For sim, good luck. hi
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 25 December 2013 13: 03
                        +3
                        Quote: Alekseev
                        But the workmanship of these machines in the 80s was on par. How will it be now?

                        And someone was going to make them?
                        Quote: Alekseev
                        About spare parts. Many of them, especially for weapons, were produced in Russia, now many do not produce

                        It’s rather an excuse for the Russian Federation to send its T-64s to open-hearth furnaces and not to interfere with UVZ's mastering budget money.

                        Quote: Alekseev
                        The basis of this pride KUV "cobra" was produced in Russia (Tochmash Nudelman), now it is removed from service and is not produced. That all the equipment of the GTN should be thrown away?

                        And why not if Ukraine produces the entire range of guided weapons for tank guns. At the same time, the element base has improved significantly.

                        Quote: Alekseev
                        Or give away for nothing, without a guarantee?

                        Export of the T-72 is generally without KUV and it has been so since the days of the USSR
                        Quote: Alekseev
                        What will be the price then, will the "Indians and Negroes" pull it? Yes, and they need a few tanks. It is more reliable and simpler.

                        To sell these blacks the wooden T-72 already comes with sawing it.
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 25 December 2013 13: 04
                        +1
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                  2. Kars
                    Kars 24 December 2013 22: 53
                    +1
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  • Altona
    Altona 24 December 2013 09: 58
    0
    And you couldn't think of a "creative" name for the export of this tank? Otherwise, people and potential buyers fall into a state of deja vu ...
    1. alex-s
      alex-s 24 December 2013 11: 14
      0
      Yeah, they’d call the E-tank! soldier
      1. Algor73
        Algor73 24 December 2013 12: 17
        +2
        You can't. Everything related to "Yo" is patented in Russia.
  • PANZER
    PANZER 24 December 2013 10: 19
    +1
    “The implementation of the T-64 project should open a new page in the history of both Ukroboronservis and Ukroboronprom as a whole

    And what's on the new page then ???
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 24 December 2013 10: 23
      +1
      Quote: PANZER
      And what's on the new page then ???

      And there is an obscene word written by a laps)
    2. Jitel
      Jitel 26 December 2013 17: 32
      -1
      T-34 I definitely say there laughing
  • agbykov
    agbykov 24 December 2013 10: 30
    0
    Most likely, we are talking about a deep modification of the T-64: T-64Е tank (see http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2-64%D0%95), and not about the original 60- tank x years.
  • wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 24 December 2013 10: 56
    0
    We decided to sell, so let them sell.
    The main thing is not for those who want to fight against Russia. yes
    1. PANZER
      PANZER 24 December 2013 10: 59
      +1
      Those who want to fight with us will buy something more solid than the T-64
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 24 December 2013 18: 36
        0
        Africa’s niggas don’t have much money, and the best equipment is 55-current and 62-second, hunting.
        Let them sell it to them. yes
        1. sapran
          sapran 24 December 2013 18: 40
          +1
          There is wild competition with China and the T-72B (Russia) ... in the deshovoy segment itself is NOT REAL!
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 24 December 2013 20: 04
            0
            So make your way.
            I don’t recognize Ukrainians all their lives have the reputation of punching guys, but here they pass.
            In addition to the African niggas, there is still enough of such a people fighting for their freedom, there is enough market for all.
  • Altona
    Altona 24 December 2013 11: 25
    0
    Quote: alex-s
    Yeah, they’d call the E-tank!

    -----------------------
    And I have the associations XU or UX-tank ... I mean, Kharkov-Ukraine, or X-PLAYER, as you like ...))
  • Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 24 December 2013 11: 26
    0
    I DO THINK THAT T-55, T-62, T-64 ARE NOW AND MODERN TANKES! ONLY NECESSARY TO EQUIP THEM WITH MODERN EQUIPMENT. soldier
  • Mahdi
    Mahdi 24 December 2013 11: 41
    0
    the armor is strong, and our tanks are fast
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 24 December 2013 11: 47
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: velikoros-xnumx
    As always, you are true to yourself in an attempt to protect everything Ukrainian.

    I do not defend Ukrainian. That's exactly what is objective. And so I asked a question. And purely in Odessa - a question for a question. Apparently Dwarfika has some information what is wrong with them.

    Kind! I will answer on the merits of the question: The contract for the supply of these machines between Ukraine and Iraq, if I am not mistaken, was cut off by $ 4 billion due to inadequate quality! For exact information, you can contact the parties - participants, if possible! For a subjective opinion, general information on this issue is enough!
    1. sapran
      sapran 24 December 2013 11: 59
      0
      If you believe your criterion for evaluating the material, then the Armata tank should already be in service with the Russian army (this is purely on news channels), but in fact, "it is" only we will not show it to you tongue
    2. Akim
      Akim 24 December 2013 12: 02
      0
      Quote: Dwarfik
      For a subjective opinion, general information on this issue is enough!

      That's it. Then they would not have called this amount of 4 billion. For the kind of money you can buy 4 thousand! fours.
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 24 December 2013 12: 38
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Dwarfik
    For a subjective opinion, general information on this issue is enough!

    That's it. Then they would not have called this amount of 4 billion. For the kind of money you can buy 4 thousand! fours.

    I specifically did not approve the transaction volume in monetary terms, because I do not have accurate information! But the subject matter is not money, but equipment, and according to official media reports, it is of inadequate quality. I think the question did not go unanswered. And it seems to me, from the number of minuses, the technology will not become newer and better, unfortunately.
    1. Akim
      Akim 24 December 2013 12: 48
      0
      Quote: Dwarfik
      official media information - it is of inadequate quality.

      The media cannot have official third-party information. Thank God neither you nor I live in North Korea. Otherwise a bunch of gears on Russia 24, can be considered a reason for diplomatic accusations.
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 24 December 2013 12: 50
    0
    Dear Akim, here's to your attention http://topwar.ru/37396-skandalnye-peripetii-kontrakta-na-postavku-btr-4-v-irak.h
    tml # I think no more answers are needed! Thanks for the dialogue!)
  • Kars
    Kars 24 December 2013 12: 59
    +5
    It would be very good. Advertising is the engine of trade, it’s a pity that now the demand for tanks is quite low. And some states generally sell their tanks under the net. With bonuses in the form of ammunition, spare parts,
  • 3935333
    3935333 24 December 2013 13: 29
    +3
    I can only say one thing - T64 from the words of close adults (who served on these tanks) - as a combat unit, a great tank, "bulat", I think they will take with a bang (if only our people living in a country called Ukraine did not bend the prices). I'm not an expert in tanks, but the machine is very worthy! And we NEED cooperation with Kharkovites!
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  • kelevra
    kelevra 24 December 2013 16: 57
    +5
    We will rejoice for fraternal Ukraine good The development of the economy and the army, moving forward!
    1. Jake danzels
      Jake danzels 24 December 2013 17: 26
      +3
      That's how people react normally!
      I was similarly happy when the first contract with India was signed, when the "lining" started working ... well, then the information war went on, and many fell for it. It's a pity.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 24 December 2013 20: 12
        0
        Quote: Jake Danzels
        That's how people react normally!

        God forbid to develop the industry of Ukraine! Who is against it?
        But here it’s different ... No need for fairy tales. For twenty years, a specimen of BBT was not sold, and, mind you, no one asked to sell. This is a very specific car. See above. yes
        Moreover, this tank has not been produced for 25 years.
        And then it dawned on the next embezzler. To bring to the market, but you need some money for advertising, marketing.
        Is it really not clear that if there was a little bit of demand, Ukraine would have satisfied it a long time ago.
        Not that way comrades go. Customs should be removed, integration with Russia and the vehicle should be developed, then there would be no need to tell tales about the T-64.
        1. Jake danzels
          Jake danzels 25 December 2013 10: 58
          +1
          Quote: Alekseev
          For twenty years, a specimen of BBT was not sold, and, mind you, no one asked to sell.

          Those who wanted to buy were now there, but they are nizya. Although, as far as I know, representatives of the initiator of the purchase came to Ukraine, carried out races and they really liked the car.

          Quote: Alekseev
          And then it dawned on the next embezzler. To bring to the market, but you need some money for advertising, marketing.
          Is it really not clear that if there was a little bit of demand, Ukraine would have satisfied it a long time ago.

          Here I partly agree with you, but here we are talking with you from the same person, "how would I act / will act", and now take a look at the political situation in Ukraine, politicians change quite quickly and with the coming of a new one to power, I recall the film "Wedding in Malinovka "and the legendary phrase" power is changing again. " So in this matter, did not scratch until they realized that the stocks of T-72 were running out. And if they were going to sell the T-64 (no one would ask the Ministry of Defense), then the promotion should have been done much earlier. Well, this is my subjective opinion on the current situation.
        2. Kars
          Kars 25 December 2013 13: 06
          +2
          Quote: Alekseev
          And then it dawned on the next embezzler. To bring to the market, but you need some money for advertising, marketing.

          Well, it’s you who are watching at UVZ. None of KAZNA’s at us even counts on getting such a thing.
  • Altona
    Altona 24 December 2013 17: 46
    +2
    Quote: Robert Nevsky
    I DO THINK THAT T-55, T-62, T-64 ARE NOW AND MODERN TANKES! ONLY NECESSARY TO EQUIP THEM WITH MODERN EQUIPMENT.

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    How can I tell you? It is not clear what logic you are guided by, what theater of operations do you mean and what level of training the crews want to plant in combat vehicles ... If you look broadly, then the T-34 (Angola and other Africa) is still an actual tank, like the American Super Sherman ( Chile and South America, mainly the highlands of the Andes) ... If you equip them with modern equipment, you get, for example, Akhzarit (T-54, T-55) a heavy infantry fighting vehicle for extreme combat conditions in open terrain ... If you equip them with modern equipment, more perfect guidance devices, calculators, thermal imagers, rangefinders, stabilization of the gun plus new ammunition and even a cannon, then it will be some kind of Chinese type or Ukrainian Bulat, which conditionally was once T-64 ... You think I'm joking from imperial chauvinism over the name "T-64"? A potential buyer will say: "Why are you snatching bullshit for me, sweaters? 50 years have passed and the tank is like new again? 45 is the berry again?" How are you going to hone the client? Take it, bro, reliable Soviet ... True, if there is nothing more modern than a thread, then do not blame it, this is ce la vie, this is T-64 ... So there is no need to quack with "pseudo-patriotism" ... Everything flows, everything changes. ..
    1. sapran
      sapran 24 December 2013 18: 00
      -1
      But now I do not understand your post? what . The just-hardened T-64BV is already somehow more interesting, even against the usual T-72B (for 130 thousand cu), even against new products from the same Jordan or China. The problem of the T-64 is the difficulty in maintaining the required technical level of service (it is very difficult for the Slavs to make routine maintenance work in full, and forcing the same Africans to do it in the heat or at night is still difficult although exceptions are possible)
    2. Akim
      Akim 24 December 2013 18: 06
      +2
      Quote: Altona
      True, if a thread is modern than a thread, then do not blame me, such is la la vie, this is T-64 ...

      Suppose I don’t believe in the export potential of BM Bulat and other tanks based on the T-64. But in general, Kars showed a picture of BM Bulat corresponds to Leo-2A4 and can hit Leo-2A5 with new ammunition, although it is much inferior to it in armoring and SLA, and will break any one with a new weapon.
      1. sapran
        sapran 24 December 2013 18: 29
        +1
        I fundamentally disagree with the assessment ...
  • Altona
    Altona 24 December 2013 18: 05
    0
    Quote: sapran
    But now I do not understand your post?

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    What is behind the name T-64 without any indexes? The name for the madhouse ... I mean the buyer you will drive into a tremor and stupor with such a "commercial brand" ...
  • Altona
    Altona 24 December 2013 18: 20
    0
    Quote: Akim
    Suppose I don’t believe in the export potential of BM Bulat and other tanks based on the T-64. But in general, Kars showed a picture of BM Bulat corresponds to Leo-2A4 and can hit Leo-2A5 with new ammunition, although it is much inferior to it in armoring and SLA, and will break any one with a new weapon.

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    Well, even you (living in the homeland of the original product) are doubting marketing ... And to me, for example, what to think if you put yourself in the place of a potential buyer, who is not very rich for sure?
    1. Akim
      Akim 24 December 2013 18: 41
      0
      Quote: Altona
      And to me, for example, what to think if you put yourself in the place of a potential buyer, who is not very rich for sure?

      Not think anything. This is a controversial and very doubtful decision to find a buyer for this particular tank. If the buyer is not rich, then he needs these tanks YESTERDAY. It does not seem that there will be time to study the maintenance of such a complex machine.
      1. sapran
        sapran 24 December 2013 18: 48
        +1
        Akim ..... To teach to shoot and to hit is easier to teach on the T-64 BV than on the same "simple" T-72B, another thing is setting up complexes and maintenance, but this is solved by hiring "non-combatants". In a real field, change the engine to T-64 BV and T-72 these are two big differences
        1. Akim
          Akim 24 December 2013 19: 16
          +1
          Quote: sapran
          but this is solved by hiring "non-combatants"

          Very limited market choice.
  • Jake danzels
    Jake danzels 24 December 2013 18: 38
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Jake Danzels
    With your lips verbs MO RF

    My lips say pragmatism. The whole world is modernizing what it has. Only those countries that are capitally behind or who are breathing real confrontation in the back are buying new ones.

    Akim, it was sarcasm.
    1. Akim
      Akim 24 December 2013 18: 45
      +3
      Quote: Jake Danzels
      kim, it was sarcasm

      And I did ... recourse
  • Altona
    Altona 24 December 2013 18: 54
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Not think anything. This is a controversial and very doubtful decision to find a buyer for this particular tank. If the buyer is not rich, then he needs these tanks YESTERDAY. It does not seem that there will be time to study the maintenance of such a complex machine.

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    In general, you insist that the commercial prospect of this tank is so dubious (zero) that you shouldn't look for a black cat in a dark room if it's not there ... To be honest, I just thought that "T-64 export ", already in shock, from the very morning ... I think, who is so desperate to buy this BM?
    1. Akim
      Akim 24 December 2013 19: 20
      0
      Quote: Altona
      In general, you insist that the commercial perspective of this tank is so dubious (zero) that you should not look for a black cat in a dark room if it is not there ...

      I do not insist, just so subjectively evaluate. We don’t know everything. Even the literal text. Lebedev (Ministry of Defense of Ukraine) also blurs a lot out of ignorance.
  • Altona
    Altona 24 December 2013 19: 08
    0
    Quote: sapran
    If you believe your criterion for evaluating the material, then the Armata tank should already be in service with the Russian army (this is purely on news channels), but in fact, "it is" only we will not show it to you

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    They have been feeding virtual models for a long time ... A virtual tank model is riding on the checkered space, with an asymmetrically fitted turret with a powerful gun, on which an additional machine-gun or small-cannon module (closed turret) is hung ... In general, a cardboard dope, a hastily painted 3D model. ..And the optimistic voice of Dima Rogozin behind the scenes ... This is what I really see sometimes on TV ...
  • Jake danzels
    Jake danzels 24 December 2013 20: 24
    +1
    Quote: wanderer_032
    So make your way.
    I don’t recognize Ukrainians all their lives have the reputation of punching guys, but here they pass.
    In addition to the African niggas, there is still enough of such a people fighting for their freedom, there is enough market for all.

    Punchy in the public sector do not work there, everything is good.
  • svp67
    svp67 24 December 2013 23: 45
    +1
    The press service also noted that the T-64 tank is fully developed in Ukraine
    The whole Union worked on the creation of this machine ... and here it is fully developed in Ukraine ...
    1. sapran
      sapran 25 December 2013 01: 25
      +4
      The stupidity of the correspondents ... they would say that during the modernization the latest developments of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine were used to increase the attractiveness of machines and that’s all ...
  • Cristall
    Cristall 26 December 2013 21: 05
    0
    Quote: svp67
    The whole Union worked on the creation of this machine ... and here it is fully developed in Ukraine.

    come on. I saw a video where the T 34 in Nizhny Tagil was invented at either 36 or 38 at the "tank factory" .. and nothing was outraged ... and this was the official video.
    In general, according to the trend, call everything your own from the very beginning.
    Here T 72 can also say part of the Ukrainian is, and not only all 15 republics and in any product of the USSR, but the Vedas are not spoken
    the same approach and with t 64 apparently .. As for the Ukrainian approach, there is no Ukrainian, there is a Soviet one. If the Russian then this is not done.