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Save the family - save Russia

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Save the family - save RussiaThe event, which in fact will complete a series of major events of national importance in Russia, is still in the field of close attention of regional and federal media. 20-21 December, the II Stavropol Forum of the World Russian People’s Council will be held. The main idea of ​​the Forum is “Moral and responsible person - the basis of a strong state”. Ways of saving such an institution of Russian society as a family will also be considered by participants in the discussions in the sections of the event. There are many priests among the experts. Archpriest Dimitry Smirnov, Chairman of the Patriarchal Commission on the Family, Protection of Motherhood and Childhood, spoke about the position of the Russian Orthodox Church on this issue.


- Father Dimitry, what, in your opinion, is the significance of the II Stavropol Forum of the World Russian People's Council?

- The fact that such forums are needed to discuss very important issues. Today, issues of personality and family are particularly relevant for Russia. Especially - the problem with the male population.

- What threatens the Russian family today?

- The family is threatened with decay. There are a lot of destructive "winds", which are expressed in divorces, in the irresponsibility of the male part of the population in relation to their own children, there are a lot of cohabitations without the foundation of a family. It turns out that we are already somehow moving into the category of the animal world, in which there is no family, but there is a temporary connection. Women suffer from this first of all, because every normal woman, naturally, wants a family, wants to get married. And, of course, children. Children growing up without a father, it is difficult to fully educate, especially boys. It turns out a vicious circle. There is no father in the family, there is no man in the school, girls become more mature in the class before, and such a womanlike creature grows up, unable to feed the family or bear responsibility for it. Favorite phrase of the modern young man: "I am not ready!". He is not ready for the birth of children, he is not ready for three or five of them, he is not ready to feed them, he is not ready to remain faithful to his wife, and so on. These are people who are not ready for the most natural things. Animals that have reached a certain sexual age are ready, and man is the crown of nature - so he is not ready, especially in the male part. This, of course, amazing! The fact that it is noticed, it is discussed, submitted to the forums is very important.

- In the last decade, big demographic problems and a decline in the birth rate have appeared in Russia. What does all this lead to and why even in the Caucasus are divorces frequent?

- The trend is towards self-destruction of the people, and therefore the state. Other nations will come and live here. And those who remain will be in service. After all, there was already a period when the former elite of the state worked as taxi drivers in Paris, in the Balkans. These are the places that are prepared for us as workers in our further stories, if we somehow do not come around.

We are on such a face when we face extinction in history, along with our culture, language, and so on. This is the trend. It is possible, without an arithmometer on the accounts, to calculate when we all end. This should concern us, and we, so to speak, should not be thoughtless about this, drinking beer, smoking, throwing cigarette butts out of the windows of a car and thinking that everything is in order. Not all is well. We have no demographic problem, we have been living in a state of demographic catastrophe for a long time. And in the short term, there is no way out of this. We are waiting for another demographic hole in a few years. With such an attitude to a woman, to the family, to children and even to abortion. Because we have about a million abortions every year through our abortion clinics and the same amount unofficially. That is, some citizens made their business killing children. We have the most popular contraceptive - abortion. Do not want to give birth. Well, if they do not want to give birth, the state will disappear.

- What measures are most effective in anti-abortion movement?

- The most effective is enlightenment. It is necessary to introduce it in the compulsory school electives. Very conclusive lectures should be. So that every boy and every girl take this course. If you want suicide to our people, then you do it, and if you want what we teach you, and our school itself have lived in history, then you need to change your attitude towards the family.

- So we are to blame? What do you need to raise a man from a boy, and a real woman from a girl?

- For this you need a father in the family.

- And if there is no father?

- Then you need to know what happened to him. Where did he go?

- Well, you understand, now there are different situations ...

- I understand. For a start, I would advise all women to return to the execution of the seventh commandment. As far as you know, it sounds like this: “Do not commit adultery!” Yet the ancient fathers of the 6-7 church of the century said that if a woman loses shame, then no one will be saved. The modern woman - this is our national misfortune - has become very accessible. She does not have to persuade for a long time. And if a woman starts to appreciate herself again, then everyone will be in the queue, and she will choose from 20-30 applicants for her hand and heart. This accessibility of women gives rise to many problems, above all the irresponsibility of men. Let every woman say: “Oh, you love me very much. Well, great! On Monday, we are going to apply to the registry office. ” And then women, as it was 70 years ago, will not open their arms for the first comer, but only through marriage. And believers will still be married. They say that even Valery Pavlovich Chkalov got married in 1937, he also found the year when he was to be married ... and he was not afraid of anything. If we return to this, then men will be responsible, they will fight for a woman, they will appreciate her. And now we have a competition like animals. Before how? It was impossible to imagine that a married woman so easily passed from hand to hand, and vice versa. If the man got married, the marriage was stable. Divorces were only in the very high society, and for this the author of the emperor himself was needed. It was the rarest thing - just a hundred years ago. And now, please, like animals, and it is clear that this is not at all well. No need to follow the "Hollywood" prescriptions, and return to our usual traditional family values.

- What should the state do to revive moral education, and what should it not do?

- First, you need to filter the state television channels. Secondly, you need to filter the Internet. As in all countries, a student can get on any porn site via a mobile phone. This is an extremely big problem. It is necessary to close it all. Radio stations must also be strictly filtered, that which is against the family, it must be withdrawn! And the fact that for the family should be a massive propaganda of family values, large families. And in ten years it will give serious results.

- What is the Russian Church doing in this direction?

- All that is possible. Here I am doing an interview on television, although I understand that they will only take one phrase from this, which will distort the entire context. It's like this all the time. I recently gave an interview, and one phrase went. Secondly the newsand they took it off, do you understand? Ten minute text. It is necessary to change the leadership on all channels and put one that will be puzzled, will fulfill not liberal pseudo-values ​​that destroy our people, but traditional ones. To put traditional people in positions and to puzzle them. Tell them: “You will receive money for this, and if you return to“ liberalism ”, we will fire you! We will also put you in jail, since you are the spiritual killer of our people. " That's all. Remove everyone from the ether, any rag-tag that sows decay and suicide. Maybe we can get the drug dealers on the air weapons, prostitutes business organizers? You can not promote terrorism. And, of course, monuments to terrorists: Lenin, Sverdlov, Uritsky. They should all be withdrawn from the country. Rename all the streets, return the old names to them, why do we need new ones? Metro station "Voikovskaya" - Voikov is a murderer, a terrorist. Need to call something more decently - “Flower”, “Gladiolus”?

“Were they going to rename them recently?”

- People fight for it, but indifference is complete. We are fighting terrorism, and in honor of a terrorist we have Leninsky Avenue. What is a terrorist? Vaughn, lies, spreads his ulcers to the whole country, in every city he stands, waves his hand. What is difficult to hit, or what? But now it’s about what, what measures need to be taken. If we want to get rid of terrorism, prostitution, the collapse of the country and family, we must promote that which contributes to the family, this is understandable. Now, if you look at how history is taught in America, then it follows that the Americans won the Second World War, and in Europe it is also taught. There is one line about Russia that participated in the anti-Hitler coalition, that's all. They educate their citizens as patriots.

- You have a school for children on the territory of the temple. Are they taught moral education?

- There is a Sunday school not only for children, but also for adults. Its high school - eleven.

- Do many people come to faith at all?

- Of course. There are even people 90 years who want to be baptized consciously. Several people were baptized. Not only young.

- Babies a lot?

- A total of two hundred now. We have many large families. There are families of eight people and nine, but mostly five or six, in general, a lot. And as five people, we do not even consider having many children.

- Do you have a lot of children?

- I have fifty.

- Правда?

- Yes. Fifty children. I founded three orphanages, and here I have fifty children.


The press service of the headquarters for the organization and holding of the II Stavropol ARNS Forum.
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  1. smel
    smel 24 December 2013 08: 08
    +21
    I do not really like priests ... But I respect them for their patriotism and sober perception of reality. PLUS article
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 24 December 2013 09: 14
      +20
      Quote: smel
      I do not really like priests ... But I respect them for their patriotism and sober perception of reality. PLUS article


      There are priests, but there are priests. Father Demetrius, apparently, is one of those, and not an official from the church. Only for 50 the children to whom he gave his family, education and future are worthy of respect.
      1. avg
        avg 24 December 2013 14: 07
        +1
        Relation to religion is complicated. But he always respected believers and real clergy. Perhaps that is why I so painfully perceive snickering, arrogant representatives of the church. The Russian Orthodox Church simply needs to restore order in its ranks, and will be rebuilt in many ways. Then the pastoral word will be perceived differently, and will bring much more benefits to Russia.
      2. Rusich51
        Rusich51 26 December 2013 18: 50
        0
        Modern woman - this is our national misfortune - has become very accessible. She does not have to persuade for a long time. And if a woman starts to appreciate herself again, then everyone will be in line, and she will choose from 20-30 applicants for her hand and heart. This accessibility of a woman gives rise to a lot of problems, first of all, the irresponsibility of men.

        True father noticed.
        If all our priests were also wise, and not pumped loot. Maybe the situation would improve. Fewer snacks would have been amnestied.
  2. makarov
    makarov 24 December 2013 08: 19
    +15
    “The favorite phrase of a modern young man:“ I'm not ready! ”He is not ready for the birth of children, he is not ready for three or five of them, he is not ready to feed them, he is not ready to remain faithful to his wife, and so on. .. "

    But to shove their scribble for temporary pleasure wherever they go, THEY are always ready, without thinking about the consequences of any trepakov and siphons, or about continuing a kind
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 24 December 2013 08: 48
      +8
      Quote: ...
      - What threatens the Russian family today?
      - The family is in danger of decay.

      Moreover, at the highest level, and although the divorce is contrary to the new concept of the country's family policy, church representatives did not react to the divorce
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 24 December 2013 11: 49
        +8
        Quote: Vadivak
        church representatives did not react in any way

        There is also a church divorce! By the way, the example with GDP is unfortunate. He, one might say, "fulfilled his task" - he raised the children, brought up, gave education ... then let them achieve it themselves. And there were no scandals like in the USA.
        1. I. Timofeev
          I. Timofeev 24 December 2013 15: 55
          +1
          Of course, it's hard to judge.
          Who knows, maybe Lyudmila herself decided that family life has come to an end, the tasks have been completed and that time of life has come when you need to pray for everyone who is dear. “We don't know anything.”
      2. Far East
        Far East 24 December 2013 13: 10
        -1
        Quote: Vadivak
        Moreover, at the highest level, and although the divorce is contrary to the new concept of the country's family policy, church representatives did not react to the divorce

        + + + + + good so GDP declared 2013 the FAMILY year! And you..........! Balabol! hi
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 24 December 2013 13: 37
          +6
          Quote: Far East
          so GDP declared 2013 the FAMILY year! And you..........! Balabol!

          Why balabol? In the year of the Family he created a new family .... repeat just out of modesty did not inform the press. wink
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      1. kris
        kris 24 December 2013 09: 15
        -2
        Quote: Vadivak
        Moreover, at the highest level, and although the divorce is contrary to the new concept of the country's family policy, church representatives did not react to the divorce

        the church is one for the authorities, but another for the people!
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 24 December 2013 09: 45
          +7
          Quote: kris
          the church is one for the authorities, but another for the people!


          The church is one, but the people ....
          1. kris
            kris 24 December 2013 09: 51
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            Quote: Vadivak
            Quote: kris
            the church is one for the authorities, but another for the people!


            The church is one, but the people ....

            FAITH - one for all.
            and intermediaries are called by different names - priests, imams, rabbis, etc.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 24 December 2013 10: 02
              +10
              Quote: kris
              FAITH - one for all.
              and intermediaries are called by different names - priests, imams, rabbis, etc.


              The faiths of the faiths you have listed are different. And those whom you called not mediators, but performers of a special service.

              As for the church, ours was founded by Christ setting 12 to carry faith to the masses. Therefore, "To whom the church is not a mother, God is not a father" At least I personally think so.
              1. does it
                does it 24 December 2013 20: 44
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                Quote: Vadivak
                As for the church, Christ founded ours, putting 12 to carry faith in the masses.

                Really personally baptized Russia !? belay
          2. Svobodny
            Svobodny 24 December 2013 10: 34
            +2
            The church is one, but the people ....


            CHURCH - this is PEOPLE.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 24 December 2013 11: 24
              +5
              Quote: Svobodny
              CHURCH - this is PEOPLE.


              The Greek word used in the New Testament for "church" is "ecclesia," which means "called out." That is, "community, gathering, or group." And in the group, as you know, there will always be both its own Peter and its own Judas.
          3. self-propelled
            self-propelled 24 December 2013 12: 58
            +13
            Quote: Vadivak
            The church is one, but the people ....

            I absolutely agree with you on all 100
            but with regards to morality and moral principles ... somehow I saw such a photo
            1. Lyapis
              Lyapis 24 December 2013 13: 17
              +8
              but with regards to morality and moral principles ...
      2. radio operator
        radio operator 24 December 2013 09: 17
        +6
        Quote: Vadivak
        Moreover, at the highest level, and although the divorce is contrary to the new concept of the country's family policy, church representatives did not react to the divorce

        Divorce is not a contradiction to the concept of family politics. With us, the spouses themselves decide to live with them or get a divorce. On the spot now they do not call to work out.
        Another thing, the moral side of divorce ... On this side, a slip.
        Although, if there is no love, why pretend to smile stiffly? It’s more honest to get a divorce.
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 24 December 2013 09: 49
          +4
          Video in the topic-joke:
          1. 123dv
            123dv 24 December 2013 10: 25
            +1
            Hard video! wassat
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 24 December 2013 09: 49
          +3
          Quote: radio operator
          Divorce is not a contradiction to the concept of family politics. With us, the spouses themselves decide to live with them or get a divorce.


          In life, anything can happen.

          Quote: radio operator
          Another thing is the moral side of divorce ..

          Especially if you are the first person.
          Quote: radio operator
          Although, if there is no love, why pretend to smile stiffly? It’s more honest to get a divorce.

          The first person does not belong to himself. It belongs to the country. For her sake you need to bite the bullet and endure and smile and overcome other feelings
          1. radio operator
            radio operator 24 December 2013 10: 47
            +5
            Quote: Vadivak
            The first person does not belong to himself. It belongs to the country. For her sake you need to bite the bullet and endure and smile and overcome other feelings

            And how would we do?
            Blaming your neighbor is always a pleasure.
            I will refrain. I’d better watch myself, and pray for him, for you and myself.
            He committed some kind of sin, I have no doubt that he will answer for everything (like we all).
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 24 December 2013 11: 30
              +3
              Quote: radio operator
              And how would we do?


              I have already written. Experience (naturally worldly) is available.
              Quote: radio operator
              Blaming your neighbor is always a pleasure.

              Discuss does not blame.
              Quote: radio operator
              I will refrain. I’d better watch myself, and pray for him, for you and myself.

              God save you.
              Quote: radio operator
              He committed some kind of sin, I have no doubt that he will answer for everything (like we all).

              No doubt. Like the fact that sin can be compensated by good deeds,
        3. Flooding
          Flooding 24 December 2013 10: 48
          +3
          Quote: radio operator
          Although, if there is no love, why pretend to smile stiffly? It’s more honest to get a divorce.

          No, it’s more honest to carry your burden to the end, and not to quit because it suddenly became uncomfortable, rubbed the corn. This is also the cross of a Christian.
          1. radio operator
            radio operator 24 December 2013 10: 57
            +4
            Quote: Flood
            No, it’s more honest to carry your burden to the end, and not to quit because it suddenly became uncomfortable, rubbed the corn. This is also the cross of a Christian.

            God be his judge.
    3. 123dv
      123dv 24 December 2013 08: 59
      0
      Quote: makarov
      THEY ARE ALWAYS READY

      Who is "THEY"?
      It's you and me and we, what the hell are you talking about?
      If these same "THEY" are not always ready, then there will be no one, neither you nor me.
      They break up the family for a long time and purposefully, and if you don’t look at the root and listen to the priests shaking their beards, then you can really go down the monuments tomorrow.
      But it’s not a matter of monuments.
      Here comrade sighs that 100 years ago everything was different. Yes, it was - the word of the father in the house was - LAW!
      And now the difficult problem is that legally - a man - is not the master of the house.
      They’ll just put you out the door in court, if anything.
      At first, women were opposed to men, and now, through a juvinal, they are striving to achieve the opposition of children to parents. And old people in an elderly home.
      Strong families are a big pain in the management system.
      People united in stable strong groups are difficult to manage, and here is a good example of the Caucasus.
      ATOMIZATION OF POPULATION - this is a steady trend of the current civilization.
      1. radio operator
        radio operator 24 December 2013 09: 09
        +3
        Quote: 123dv
        They break up the family for a long time and purposefully, and if you don’t look at the root and listen to the priests shaking their beards, then you can really go down the monuments tomorrow.

        Priests call for the return of historical names to the streets. And here is vandalism. Not a single normal believer will touch the Lenin monument, no matter how unpleasant he is.
        Vandals - on euromaidan. Nod towards them.
        And we must have a decision of the society, or at least the authorities. Decide - to clean the monuments, then clean.
        And according to historical tradition, the name is given to the city by the one who founded this city, or in honor of the founder of the city. Everything is logical.
        1. 123dv
          123dv 24 December 2013 09: 16
          0
          This hook, which is completely off topic, is such an ideological trick for the author of the article. The presence or absence of monuments has no direct relation to the topic of conversation, is it really not clear.
          Like - give me a smoke, and why not in a hat?
          1. radio operator
            radio operator 24 December 2013 09: 24
            +3
            Quote: 123dv
            This hook is off-topic at all,

            In my opinion, these words belong to you:
            Quote: 123dv
            if you don’t look at the root, but listen to how the priests shake their beards, then it’s really possible to go down the monuments from tomorrow

            Or can you say "off topic", but I can't? Maybe even in the face, please go?
            1. 123dv
              123dv 24 December 2013 09: 31
              +3
              I'm not at your address arrows, I'm sorry. soldier
              1. radio operator
                radio operator 24 December 2013 10: 40
                +3
                Excuse me and you! hi
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 24 December 2013 09: 52
          +7
          Quote: radio operator
          Priests call for the return of historical names to the streets.


          And rightly so, what m ... had the dope to call Khrushchev Avenue?
        3. Egoza
          Egoza 24 December 2013 12: 03
          +5
          Quote: radio operator
          Decide - to clean the monuments, then clean.

          Moreover, this decision should be made taking into account all parties - historical and artistic value. The Bolsheviks did not even think to touch the monument to Peter the Great in Petrograd! And just as you need to evaluate all the other monuments. What did this figure do for the country? That will be the answer - whether such a monument is needed or not.
          1. radio operator
            radio operator 24 December 2013 14: 59
            +3
            Quote: Egoza
            Moreover, this decision should be made taking into account all parties - historical and artistic value.

            It should be so.
          2. does it
            does it 24 December 2013 20: 45
            +1
            Quote: Egoza
            What did this figure do for the country? That will be the answer - whether such a monument is needed or not.

            Fully agree with you.
      2. makarov
        makarov 24 December 2013 09: 48
        +2
        UV. 123dv.
        Read komenty and materials carefully. My comment refers to the fact that youth has become slack and does not want to be responsible for the result of a carnal comforting child.
        I guess I have different visions and understanding of what is happening with you. Thinking otherwise is your right. But you need to read carefully ......
        1. 123dv
          123dv 24 December 2013 09: 56
          +1
          Perhaps he got excited, but.
          I think the youth should not be blamed, but the youth should be helped.
          And those responsible for molestation - to punish, as expected!
          And I’ll say one more thing, corruption, in the broad sense, is not just some kind of foggy, incomprehensible action. First of all, it is the action of the propertied people in order to acquire profit. Not selling bread, but vodka. It’s not a high art to develop, but to invest millions in a network of night clubs. Not teaching sewing, but teaching belly dancing.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 24 December 2013 10: 58
            +4
            Quote: 123dv
            And I’ll say one more thing, corruption, in the broad sense, is not just some kind of foggy, incomprehensible action. First of all, it is the action of the propertied people in order to acquire profit. Not selling bread, but vodka. It’s not a high art to develop, but to invest millions in a network of night clubs. Not teaching sewing, but teaching belly dancing.

            This is normal for everyone to snatch or even just make money.
            First, on a piece of bread, then on butter, then caviar, a Mercedes and a shame.
            No one ever in history expected anything more from dealers and grabbers.
            The Ryabushinsky, Tretyakov, Morozovs, Soldatenkovs are rare diamonds that sparkle brighter, the more shit in commerce.
            But even they never set the tone for business morality and ethics.
            Not only in spite of its exceptional qualities, but precisely because of the exclusivity of these very qualities.

            Waiting for anything other than your own business is insanity and tantamount to suicide.
            1. 123dv
              123dv 24 December 2013 11: 10
              +1
              Here is the answer to the question!
              Why go far, everything is simple and clear!
              1. alone
                alone 24 December 2013 19: 58
                +3
                Father Dmitry is right. Society begins with a family, If a family is inferior, then society accordingly !!
  3. Fox
    Fox 24 December 2013 08: 27
    0
    Quote: smel

    smel Today, 08:08 ↓ New
    I do not really like priests ... But I respect them for their patriotism and sober perception of reality. PLUS article

    in our village there’s a pop, I’d see, I would hate forever! a thief is cooler than Serdyukov.
    1. Lyapis
      Lyapis 24 December 2013 08: 49
      +2
      thief cooler than serdyukov

      Hmm ... and what is he stealing, if not a secret?
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 24 December 2013 09: 55
        +7
        Quote: Lyapis
        Hmm ... and what is he stealing, if not a secret?


        Probably the same opium hi Nothing else.
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 10: 11
        +1
        Quote: Lyapis
        Hmm ... and what is he stealing, if not a secret?

        Do you know how much a funeral home is worth? We have almost all the priests on foreign cars. I agree that not all of them are real PYATUS, but for some reason it is the POP. hi
        1. kris
          kris 24 December 2013 10: 44
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Do you know how much a funeral home is worth? We have almost all the priests on foreign cars. I agree that not all of them are real PYATUS, but for some reason it is the POP.

          it is a fact.
          In September, my grandmother was buried. pop came to the house.
          paid in the church 3000r.
          the pop still took 1500 rubles in cash.
          and then he says to his mother-in-law: "Mistress, collect fish, sausages, butter and something else for me, and don't forget about the bottle."
          1. I. Timofeev
            I. Timofeev 24 December 2013 17: 06
            +1
            Horror.
            About times, about manners! There are wolves in sheep's clothing.
            Not everyone needs to be addressed - time is hard
        2. radio operator
          radio operator 24 December 2013 10: 53
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Do you know how much a funeral home is worth? We have almost all the priests on foreign cars ride.

          So do not contact them!
          Who makes you?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 11: 10
            +4
            Quote: radio operator
            Who makes you?

            I do not appeal. It's just that hypocrisy disgusts me. To cash in on someone else’s grief is vile, and contrary to the charter of the church. Donations are collected according to the principle as much as possible, and not according to the tariff. And tariffs are present in almost every church. If you have already taken to teach people, then you need to set an example on yourself, and cut off violators. Who is following the apostolic rules in the church now? And this is the basic internal law of the church, as a charter in the army. Diomede talked about this, but he was quickly deprived of dignity. hi
            1. radio operator
              radio operator 24 December 2013 11: 31
              +3
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              I do not appeal. It's just that hypocrisy disgusts me. To profit from someone else’s grief is vile, and contrary to the charter of the church. Donations are collected according to the principle as much as possible, and not according to the tariff.

              I think I understand why you turned to this priest.
              Sorry if I'm wrong and correct.
              The fact is that the priest should not have funeral services for the deceased if he did not partake of the sacred gifts during his lifetime. (How can a funeral be given to a person you do not know? Maybe he is a suicide or an atheist). So, most do it. But there are priests who will baptize a dead child for money.
              I dare to assume that my grandmother was unchurched, and only a “money” priest took on her funeral service.
              Just don’t worry, from the priests He will have double demand.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And tariffs are present in almost every church.

              There are 10 churches within a radius of 4 km from my house, and only one of them has announced tariffs. In others, "as much as you can, but if not, don't."
              Come and visit the temples with you - you will see for yourself.
              Personally, it makes no difference to me whether there is a tariff or not. Anyway, I will give money more than the tariff.
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              and to break offenders.

              Priests are not sheared, they are not monks. They are ordained.
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 24 December 2013 12: 17
                +3
                Quote: radio operator
                There are 10 churches within a radius of 4 km from my house, and only one of them has announced tariffs. In others, "as much as you can, but if not, don't."

                And that's great! But here they sell in bottles from narzan "holy water from a spring ..." The sticker is like that, the bottles are sealed with lids, like beer. Brought out in standard boxes for sale on the market ... as it resembles the movie "Feast of St. Jorgen". As for me, such actions can only turn people away. No?
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 12: 19
                +2
                Quote: radio operator
                The fact is that the priest should not have funeral services for the deceased if he did not partake of the sacred gifts during his lifetime.

                As far as I know, the priest is obligated to funeral any baptized, except for suicides of course. If wrong, correct.
                Quote: radio operator
                In a radius of 10 km from my house there are 4 churches and only in one of them the tariffs are announced

                I live in Togliatti, the city is quite cosmopolitan, with tariffs in each.
                Quote: radio operator
                Priests are not sheared, they are not monks. They are ordained.
                Stretch, depose, deprive, you understand what I mean.
                P.S. Thank you for the invitation. hi
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              1. Vadivak
                Vadivak 24 December 2013 14: 16
                +1
                Quote: kris
                kris (8) RU Today, 12: 44 ↑


                The kingdom of heaven Alexy 2 and the old Merc from the garage of the presidential administration, are not tired?
                1. kris
                  kris 24 December 2013 16: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: Vadivak
                  Quote: kris
                  kris (8) RU Today, 12: 44 ↑


                  The kingdom of heaven Alexy 2 and the old Merc from the garage of the presidential administration, are not tired?

                  but has something changed?
                  1. radio operator
                    radio operator 24 December 2013 16: 39
                    0
                    Quote: kris
                    but has something changed?

                    And what is the contradiction here?
                    He is the supreme hierarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, the personification of Orthodox Russians. He is received with the same honors as the president.
                    Why should he ride a donkey in rags?
                    1. kris
                      kris 24 December 2013 17: 19
                      0
                      Quote: radio operator
                      Why should he ride a donkey in rags?

                      But what about the commandment of non-possessiveness?
                      and maybe therefore respect for the Russian Orthodox Church is significantly reduced?
                      the late Serbian Patriarch Pavel did not hesitate to ride the bus and walk without security. And everyone could come up and talk to him.
                      1. radio operator
                        radio operator 25 December 2013 08: 49
                        0
                        Quote: kris
                        But what about the commandment of non-possessiveness?
                        and maybe therefore respect for the Russian Orthodox Church is significantly reduced?

                        You are a little confused.
                        The Monk Neil of Sora led a dispute with Joseph Volotsky about what property the monasteries should have. Neil Sorsky was a supporter of non-possessiveness.
                        But both were monks!
                        It's about monasticism. Patriarch of Russia has always been a representative figure, even in Soviet times.
                        Worldwide, the personification of Russia is the President of the Russian Federation, and the personification of the Russian people is the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church. He is the highest church official, and therefore must look respectable.
                        Or do you think that if the Russian Patriarch rides on trams in monastic attire - such as you will go to church?
                        You are mistaken. Liberoids will still find a bunch of reasons to fasten on the Patriarch and the Russian Orthodox Church.
                    2. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 18: 52
                      0
                      Quote: radio operator
                      Why should he ride a donkey in rags?

                      He wanted to answer, but Chris got ahead. It’s not a sin to bow to his feet, even as a pagan. hi
                      1. radio operator
                        radio operator 25 December 2013 09: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        It’s not a sin to bow down at the feet, even as a Gentile.

                        Well, yes, right behind the Patriarch Paul, a line of pagans was built.
                        The whole difference is that to the Serbian Patriarch pagans spat on their backs and belched curses in their faces, the guard protects against these from the Russian Patriarch. Isn't that right?
                        Secondly, let's look at the fruits. Serbia joined the EU, contrary to the wishes of the Serbian church. As a result, Serbia adopted gender legislation.
                        Tell me, the tram and the monastic robe, what role did they play in this?
                        Or remind you that Yeltsin also traveled in trolleybuses. And what did this add to his popular love? In my opinion, 99% of visitors to this site curse BNE as well as Gorbachev. Do you know why? Judged not by appearance, but by fruit.
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 25 December 2013 12: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: radio operator
                        Tell me, the tram and the monastic robe, what role did they play in this?

                        All Serbs speak of him as a saint. And even believers of a not-so-good opinion of Alexia.
                        Quote: radio operator
                        Serbian Patriarch pagans spat on their backs

                        There was no such thing. I am a pagan, but I respect the true Fathers with respect, and he was. hi
                      3. radio operator
                        radio operator 26 December 2013 16: 29
                        0
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        All Serbs speak of him as a saint. And even believers of a not-so-good opinion of Alexia.

                        And what's the point, Patriarch Paul urged to stay away from liberal Europe and not to adopt gender legislation.
                        Bottom line: Serbia in the EU, gender legislation adopted. So whom do the Serbs love? Liberalism or Pavel? I think that the answer is obvious, if they loved, they fulfilled his order.
                        Even Catholic Croatia rejected gender law in a referendum.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 24 December 2013 11: 02
      +3
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Do you know how much a funeral home is worth? We have almost all the priests on foreign cars. I agree that not all of them are real PYATUS, but for some reason it is the POP.

      Ingvar 72, sorry in advance if I seem rude.
      And who personally imposes on you communication with certain individuals?
      I think that I will not be mistaken if I assume that no one.
      Moreover, I’m surely not mistaken if I assume that you do not communicate with them.

      But most of all I wonder why this topic worries those who do not communicate and are not going to join? Is it because the one who seeks will always find? And the interlocutor of the heart and the priest like ...
    3. Lyapis
      Lyapis 24 December 2013 13: 03
      -4
      I know very well about the prices (fortunately, one of the relatives is a priest. And yet, yes, he also drives a foreign car). But you never thought that the maintenance of the temple (payment of utility bills, repairs, etc.) lies entirely on their shoulders? Or is it that priests almost always have a large family and need to be fed? Or the fact that they are engaged in charity, contain Sunday schools and other things? Or that for the same funeral home, the priest must first get to this very house. It doesn’t matter, buy a ticket on the bus or refuel your car, but it also needs money. In the end, to be honest, service is work and it must be paid!
      At the same time, they essentially have no such thing as a salary. They are not maintained by the state or the diocese, they provide for themselves.
      If you do not want to pay, be an atheist and enjoy the money saved, and do not whine about "damn-priests-rob / fool people".
      1. avg
        avg 24 December 2013 14: 29
        +1
        Quote: Lyapis
        I know very well about the prices (fortunately, one of the relatives is a priest. And yet, yes, he also drives a foreign car) ... If you don't want to pay, be an atheist and enjoy the money you saved, and don't whine about "damned-priests-rob / fool the people. "

        Here is an interesting train of thought. Do you think that you came out in defense of the church, or did the evil one pull the tongue?
        1. Lyapis
          Lyapis 24 December 2013 14: 42
          +2
          Here is an interesting train of thought. Do you think that you came out in defense of the church, or did the evil one pull the tongue?

          Your thoughts are no less busy. I just expressed my opinion. And grace came upon me or the demon beguiled, decide for yourself. laughing
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 24 December 2013 15: 04
        -1
        Quote: Lyapis
        If you do not want to pay, be an atheist and enjoy the money saved, and do not whine about "damn-priests-rob / fool people".

        Stanislav, support. Whining just those who run away from the church like hell from incense. Everyone is worried about other people's wallets, illnesses.
      3. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 24 December 2013 19: 11
        +2
        Sorry, but we have a kind of remake in our city, which is displayed as one of the symbols of the city - "Temple on Blood". This is an ugly building on the site of the execution of the family and servants of citizen Nikolai Romanov in 1918, who for some reason is called the emperor and saint. So I saw the documents on this "temple" - utilities, etc. in the amount of several million rubles a year, pays the regional budget. And the priests are not allowed into the entot type of cool bablohram women, if they have not bought a headscarf at the entrance. The price of this scarf is 3 kopecks on a market day, and they sell for 150-200 rubles. and no one cares that the woman came in her headscarf, etc. So about "they are not contained by the state" in many respects you are wrong. ROC is a purely commercial project at the moment
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 24 December 2013 19: 14
          +1
          Quote: Stroibat stock
          But the priests do not let women enter the entot type of a cool loot, unless they bought a head scarf at the entrance. The price of this scarf is 3 kopecks on a market day, and they sell at 150-200 rubles. and no one cares that the woman came in her shawl

          Sorry, I can’t believe it. For the first time I hear about such a case.
          1. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat 24 December 2013 20: 07
            +3
            You may not believe it. smile I'm not an eyewitness here. It's just that my mother arranged a walk around the city for her sister, so we went into this samovar with 5 teapots, as the teachers of architecture call it. So they left without knowing what was inside :-) The pensioners somehow regretted the money for such a wiring. But about the documents with payments for utilities from the regional administration, and not from "ZAO ROC" I saw myself. Swearing for a long time. This was back when a salary of 5 rubles / month was considered very good
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 24 December 2013 20: 38
              +2
              Quote: Stroibat stock
              So we left without knowing what was inside :-) Somehow, pensioners regretted money for such a wiring

              So check it out. Were they in shawls?
              1. Reserve buildbat
                Reserve buildbat 25 December 2013 10: 45
                +2
                Of course, in scarves :-)
                1. radio operator
                  radio operator 25 December 2013 11: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Stroibat stock
                  Of course, in scarves :-)

                  Please write what kind of arrival it was and when it was.
                  I will check through my channels which of the priests there has served / is serving.
                  And what are the rules there.
    4. I. Timofeev
      I. Timofeev 24 December 2013 17: 01
      +1
      And we all do our best: both "at home" and in the church. There are still good priests, and not a few, only now, unfortunately, the dirty somehow more comes into my eyes
    5. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 24 December 2013 18: 20
      -2
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Do you know how much a funeral home is worth?

      And what, he puts in his pocket?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 18: 58
        +1
        Quote: GreatRussia
        And what, he puts in his pocket?

        A little thing upstairs, the rest to yourself. Everything is like in the traffic police. hi
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 24 December 2013 19: 15
          -2
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          A little thing upstairs, the rest to yourself. Everything is like in the traffic police. hi

          Did you hold the candle? Or so, images come to mind according to the established anti-clerical "party line"?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 19: 24
            -1
            Quote: GreatRussia
            Did you hold a candle?

            A friend made repairs on the hut at the priest. Not an archbishop. Treshka, Moscow layout, expensive repairs, plus not the cheapest foreign car. Where did the firewood come from? Does God serve?
            P.S. 3 more churches are being built in the city, they have been building for about 8 years, there is not enough money.
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 24 December 2013 19: 28
              -2
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              A friend made repairs on the hut at the priest. Treshka, Moscow layout, expensive repairs, plus not the cheapest foreign car. Where did the firewood come from? Does God serve?
              P.S. 3 more churches are being built in the city, they have been building for about 8 years, there is not enough money.

              I willingly believe probably very gullible.

              And further. Of course, we are used to it, but young people are afraid of the devils that are found in our finished goods warehouse. Cleaning lady Simakova on Friday an hour before the end of the day called the chief of the fire department of the plant, and the two of them tried to expel the imp from the inter-chamber space. He teased, shouted rubbish, jumped on the shoulders, shit and disappeared into the tube. By the end of the week, many already see him. And now he began to appear with friends. We have to solve something here. (Pours out the carafe.)
              Zhvanetsky.

              Take Zhvanetsky’s word or ask for the address of the factory?


              Tell me, but a friend didn’t prompt you by chance. what kind of denomination does this priest have? Well, there is the ROC MP, the ROAC, etc.? What kind of parish, what's your name, etc.?

              And yes, do you judge the entire clergy by the individual representatives mentioned by Kuraev and "whom your friend did the repairs"?
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 20: 39
                0
                Quote: GreatRussia
                And yes, do you judge the entire clergy by the individual representatives mentioned by Kuraev and "whom your friend did the repairs"?

                We all judge the world around us on the basis of our own subjective views. And I trust my friend much more than you, or Kuraev. And priests I personally saw more bad than good, so I judge them like that. At a paid funeral service for a comrade who passed the first Chechnya, the priest said strong words that if the deceased did not go to church, did not take communion, he would go to hell. And this is with parents and wife. And with me. Olezhka didn’t go to churches, but he won’t go to hell, but this one is in a cassock. These are emotions, of course, but I think if you put on a cassock, then the demand from you should be much greater than with the judges.
                P.S. I also communicated with normal PYATUS, and with respect. In general, read Diamis, and the apostolic rules by which the church SHOULD live, and you will see clearly. hi
                1. GreatRussia
                  GreatRussia 24 December 2013 23: 36
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  And I trust my friend much more than you, or Kuraev.

                  But I don’t give a gag to you, call me.
                  Why should I take your word for it? Maybe you don't have a friend either, who supposedly "told" it all.
                  Somehow it all gives away with the same fable, copied from anti-clerical sites.
                  Trying to ask leading questions, like what I asked you about this priest, banal excuses begin. )))

                  Quote: Ingvar 72

                  And priests I personally saw more bad than good, so I judge them like that.

                  Well, yes, according to the stories of a friend and in the biased media.)))
                  Otherwise, please list the parishes, surnames and addresses, as well as what exactly they annoyed you with.

                  At a paid funeral service for a comrade who passed the first Chechnya, the priest said strong words that if the deceased did not go to church, did not take communion, he would go to hell.

                  Is this Paul Chanel's secret? Or do not know the Christian dogma? This is all written in the New Testament in black and white. Moreover, a priest who is not baptized cannot funeral, which he actually must warn.
                  Or, if you donated to the Church, then therefore he should have sweetly lied?
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  In general, read Diamis, and the apostolic rules by which the church SHOULD live, and you will see clearly.

                  I YOU have already read and received sight. This is enough for me to understand what you are doing here.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 25 December 2013 12: 05
                    +1
                    Blah, blah, blah ... one idle talk.
                    Quote: GreatRussia
                    fable copied from anticlerical sites

                    I mentioned the apostolic rules, and in response you have only emotions and doubts about my moral qualities, and the requirement of addresses and appearances of corrupt priests. Can we discuss the apostolic rules themselves, and the compliance of many leaders of the Russian Orthodox Church with them?
                    Quote: GreatRussia
                    Is this Paul Chanel's secret?

                    Secret of open door, spelled correctly. A friend was baptized, he just didn’t go to church, didn’t take communion. I talked about this.
                    But still honor Diomede, he calls on the church to observe the apostolic rules, no more. hi
                2. radio operator
                  radio operator 25 December 2013 10: 24
                  -1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  And priests I personally saw more bad than good, so I judge them like that. At a paid funeral service for a comrade who passed the first Chechnya, the priest said strong words that if the deceased did not go to church, did not take communion, he would go to hell. And this is with parents and wife.

                  Something I do not understand you. You don’t like the fact that priests take money, you don’t like that the priest told the truth.
                  It feels like no matter what pop is done - it's all untrue.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 25 December 2013 12: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: radio operator
                    You don't like pop telling the truth.

                    A friend was baptized, and it doesn’t matter if he communed or not. They are obliged to fuck him, and without parting departures to hell.
                  2. radio operator
                    radio operator 25 December 2013 13: 58
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    A friend was baptized, and it doesn’t matter if he communed or not. They are obliged to fuck him, and without parting departures to hell.

                    Lenin and Trotsky were also baptized, but this does not mean that they must be buried.
                    Priests are required to observe church canons.
                    He told you the truth and said not to anger you, but to help the soul of the deceased.
                    You confuse Orthodoxy with paganism. In paganism, yes, a rite has passed - and you are in the ladies. While in the church, it is necessary to partake of the holy gifts.
                    In baptism, you promise Christ to try to live the gospel, to be a warrior of Christ, to renounce Satan. And if you lived as a pagan, then there is no sense in the rites of baptism and burial.
                    Our fathers do not at all burial service to unfamiliar, unchurched people. And rightly so! This is in accordance with Christian canons.
                    So pop is not only not should, but also had to refuse.
                    We have an old (deceased, Peace be upon him) father in the village of Peredolye who could baptize or sing a dog, at least pay the money. But why such a profanity?
                    In fairness, I can say that only God knows who is worthy of the Kingdom of Heaven and who is not. Maybe your unchurched acquaintance was worthy of paradise, but I won’t get there. It all depends on our dispensation of the soul.
                  3. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 25 December 2013 14: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: radio operator
                    Lenin and Trotsky were also baptized, but this does not mean that they must be buried.

                    If relatives of any baptized person turn, the priest is obliged to take his funeral, except for a few restrictions.
                    Quote: radio operator
                    He told you the truth and didn’t say to make you angry,

                    He told his mother and wife that the husband and son would not go to heaven, and did not think that he would anger? Oh, not so much the flock is being gathered in the bosom of the church. Do not protect him inadvertently, he is wrong.
                    Quote: radio operator
                    that only God knows who is worthy of the kingdom of heaven

                    Here I absolutely agree with you. hi
                    P.S. What about Diomede?
                  4. radio operator
                    radio operator 26 December 2013 16: 22
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    He told his mother and wife that the husband and son would not go to heaven, and did not think that he would anger? Oh, not so much the flock is being gathered in the bosom of the church. Do not protect him inadvertently, he is wrong.

                    What is more important for you to know the truth or hear a sweet lie?

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    If relatives of any baptized person turn, the priest is obliged to take his funeral, except for a few restrictions.

                    If his money is not in the first place, he is not obliged.

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    What about Diomede?

                    I won’t say anything good. He moved away from the church, in fact having founded his sect.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 24 December 2013 20: 08
    +3
    Of course not. He is a priest of the Russian, not some other Orthodox Church. So he doesn’t put it in his pocket, but puts it hi
    1. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 24 December 2013 23: 38
      +1
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      Of course not. He is a pop of the Russian, not some other Orthodox Church. So he doesn’t put it in his pocket, but puts hi

      Well, of course you know better. This pocket is probably closer to you for viewing.
      Therefore, I willingly take my word for it.
  • Alexey K.
    Alexey K. 25 December 2013 06: 41
    +4
    Do not judge and do not be judged. I can reassure everyone who cares about the sins of the priests, that you will not awaken an answer for them at the Last Judgment, and everyone will be responsible for his own.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 24 December 2013 12: 11
    +4
    Quote: Lyapis
    Hmm ... and what is he stealing, if not a secret?

    Money that believers donate to the temple. If a priest changes his car every two years, what is this? "For one salary"? And the worst thing is that a woman is talking (on the bus) Her daughter and the priest's daughter are in the same class, in the same school. She gave her daughter a five - to carry it to the church. Accidentally, but there was an ink stain on the bill. And now the girl sees how the priest's daughter takes out this conspicuous five and buys candy for herself in the school cafeteria. Then my mother lamented - my daughter comes, she says, you don’t even give me money for a school pie, everything goes to the temple, to the temple, and she takes candy for herself with our money.
    1. Lyapis
      Lyapis 24 December 2013 13: 11
      0
      Got it, read my comment above.
    2. maxvik
      maxvik 24 December 2013 13: 19
      +1
      1. Excuse me, what is the top five in what currency?
      2. A woman talks on a bus ..... and how often do you personally communicate with priests?
      3. Alms to the temple must be taken personally to the temple. If it is large enough, then pass it on to the rector of the temple or the priest who is trusted. Sometimes a priest reports where he spent this money.
      4. Daughters of priests are also different and the teenage period for many children is not easy. If all children have such problems in the family, then this is a serious argument, as well as a weak indirect sign.
    3. GreatRussia
      GreatRussia 24 December 2013 18: 21
      0
      Quote: Egoza
      If a priest changes his car every two years, what is this? "For one salary"?

      Like what? That's what:

      Protodeacon Andrei Kuraev recognized the problem of "black sheep" among the Orthodox clergy

      Professor of the Moscow Theological Academy, Protodeacon Andrei Kuraev, recognized the problem of "black sheep" among the Orthodox clergy and noted that their percentage has not changed since the time of Christ.

      “There are people with a professionally atrophied sense of conscience. A normal priest has a high professional self-esteem, he is convinced that serving the liturgy is the greatest thing on earth. This service is not a party, not a corporation, but God, and you see that people need it that they are changing, "Father Andrei said in an interview published by the Estonian weekly Day by Day, reports the Interfax-Religion portal.

      At the same time, he continued, some people are tempted to "make this self-esteem personal and identify their whole life with that high that is in it."

      "So it turns out: you fed me in a restaurant - you served Christ. You gave me a Mercedes - you gave it to the Church. I take it from the church cash register to build a summer cottage - so, in fact, I pray for my parishioners at the dacha," protodeacon.

      According to him, a person himself does not notice "how the magnetic poles change places, and he begins to serve not God, but himself."

      "There are quite a few such priests. It is comforting that since the Gospel times their percentage has been stable. Every Twelfth - Judas", - says Father Andrey.

      http://pravaya.ru/news/17113
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 19: 11
        +1
        Quote: GreatRussia
        Protodeacon Andrei Kuraev admits the problem of "black sheep"

        Kuraev is smart, does not take away, and knows how to speak. But I treat him badly, in particular for the words about Russia, when he compared it with a toothless dog, barks, but can’t bite. Rough.
        1. GreatRussia
          GreatRussia 24 December 2013 19: 42
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Kuraev is smart, does not take away, and knows how to speak. But I treat him badly, in particular for the words about Russia, when he compared it with a toothless dog, barks, but can’t bite. Rough.

          I also treat him without much sympathy for excessive politicking, but in this case he is right. The situation in the Church mirrors the situation in our society.
          However, I am sure that there are still more good Russian people.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 20: 45
            0
            Quote: GreatRussia
            but in this case he is right.

            He is often right and wrong. Politician, you correctly noticed.
            The situation in the Church mirrors the situation in our society.
            The church should not reflect the situation, but set the tone. That is what the Bible says, to be a shepherd.
            Quote: GreatRussia
            However, I am sure that there are still more good Russian people
            Hope so.
            1. GreatRussia
              GreatRussia 25 December 2013 09: 01
              -1
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              The church should not reflect the situation, but set the tone. That is what the Bible says, to be a shepherd.

              Honestly, you’re talking about religious nonsense. )))
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 25 December 2013 12: 28
                -1
                Quote: GreatRussia
                Honestly, you’re talking about religious nonsense. )))

                What am I wrong about? The Bible clearly states that a true shepherd must lead and protect his flock. It is in my opinion you have picked up the tops, but in fact you can’t answer. hi
                1. GreatRussia
                  GreatRussia 25 December 2013 16: 38
                  -1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  What am I wrong about? The Bible clearly states that a true shepherd must lead and protect his flock. It is in my opinion you have picked up the tops, but in fact you can’t answer.

                  How does this relate to the body of Christ? )))
    4. does it
      does it 24 December 2013 20: 53
      -1
      Quote: Egoza
      If a priest changes his car every two years, then what is this?

      Dear ELENA, he must be given compassionate parishioners ...
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 24 December 2013 16: 38
    +1
    Quote: Lyapis
    Hmm ... and what is he stealing, if not a secret?

    The most valuable thing people have is Faith. Belief in virtue, in people - well, who has what.
  • Flooding
    Flooding 24 December 2013 10: 51
    +4
    Quote: Fox
    in our village there’s a pop-I would see-I would hate forever! a thief-steeper than Serdyukov

    foxes, you are an interesting person. So run from the priest, so God forbid not to see him inadvertently?
  • radio operator
    radio operator 24 December 2013 08: 56
    +3
    - All that is possible. Here I am doing an interview on television, although I understand that they will take only one phrase from this, which will distort the whole context. So constantly. I recently gave an interview, and one phrase went. In the second news, and it was removed, you know? Ten minute text. It is necessary to change the bosses on all channels and put up one that will be puzzled, and it will not fulfill the liberal pseudo-values ​​that destroy our people, but the traditional ones. Put on the posts of traditional people and puzzle them.

    Your words, yes to God and the president in the ears!
    One TV presenter asked Oleg Poptsov how he could broadcast such low-quality programs, because his daughter also watches the box. To which Poptsov replied: "I forbade my daughter to watch TV."
    How can this be so !? He understands that he releases nasty things and nonetheless lets them out.
    Double morality and hypocrisy reigns on television. And not only there.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 24 December 2013 09: 03
    +4
    In the USA, gay directors are fired by teachers in schools, arguing that a person with a traditional orientation has a family (children, wife, parents) that takes overtime.
    In general, it becomes clear to me that another of the goals of the onset of gays and pederasts is to deprive a person of the opportunity to spend his time on his family (children, wife, parents).
  • Soldier
    Soldier 24 December 2013 09: 11
    +4
    The Orthodox himself, but with great distrust, belong to the heroes of socialism with priests who are splashed with anger. Lenin, damn it, is to blame for everything. And under the tsar everything was awesome. And Gorbachev is almost ,, holy ”for them. If you are a FATHER (with capital letter), then educate your flock in Christian morality and values. Learn how to Better and How Necessary, and not who (in this case the Bolsheviks) is to blame.
    1. Alexey K.
      Alexey K. 25 December 2013 06: 53
      -1
      Father Dmitry says everything correctly. The people themselves are to blame for believing the Bolsheviks and forgetting their faith, their oath to God. The result in the 20th century is sad.
  • Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 24 December 2013 09: 12
    0
    At the priest in old age, the roof was demolished. It is not necessary to deal with the consequences, but with the cause of the consequences. And what have the monuments to do with it? In the USSR, the monuments to Lenin did not interfere with the education of children in patriotism and a responsible attitude to the family. And without morality lessons and sexual education at school, people were mostly pure souls. Censorship in the media, of course, is high time to introduce. And punish by large sentences in the zone of those who violate it. And it is necessary to start something in the psychology of people not from the bottom, but from the top. When reference points change at the state level, every person in the country will be considered the greatest value, not garbage and cattle, when the state begins to take care of its citizens, then people will become cleaner and more noble. And what is now to blame people for the decline in morale, when 20 with them has been processing the brains of blackthroat and porno, when they have taken away the idea, changed the whole system of values?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 24 December 2013 09: 23
      +8
      Quote: Valkyrie
      In the USSR, monuments to Lenin did not interfere with the education of children in patriotism and responsible attitude to the family. And without morality lessons and sexual education at school, people were mostly pure souls


      1941 - already at the arrival of the first echelons with ostarbeiters, many Germans were surprised - 90 percent of Russian girls were virgins.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 24 December 2013 12: 49
        -1
        And checked right there? In the echelons?
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 24 December 2013 14: 21
          +5
          Quote: Den 11
          And checked right there? In the echelons?


          I understand your sarcasm, a fan of Deutsche Holdatn. Read historical documents.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 24 December 2013 14: 33
            -1
            II, that there is something there
    2. radio operator
      radio operator 24 December 2013 09: 43
      +5
      Quote: Valkyrie
      At the priest in old age, the roof was demolished. It is not necessary to deal with the consequences, but with the cause of the consequences.

      In the summer of 1925, the society “Down with shame!” Appeared in Moscow. Its members decided to fight shame as a bourgeois and priestly prejudice. Groups of people of six to ten people marched completely naked in the streets, and on ribbons worn across the naked body it was written: "Down with shame is a bourgeois prejudice." The ladies wore nothing but shoes and handbags for documents. Moreover, they went to the cinema in this form, to the dining room for workers, and even rode on the tram. True, the idea did not arouse understanding in society: they say that grandmothers, seeing them, were baptized, children threw stones and rotten vegetables at them.

      The Belgian consul in Russia Joseph Douillet subsequently recalled: “In 1925, with the patronage of the Soviet government, the society“ Down with shame! ”Was formed. Members of this society pledged to abandon clothing and walk naked. For propaganda, some members of this eccentric society were sent on trips: to Kharkov, Rostov, Mineralnye Vody, etc. I saw them in the costume of Adam and Eve in Rostov. ”
      “A woman is not a man, but only a female. Every woman is a girl with whom you can do as you please. Her life costs no more than she receives for sexual intercourse ”(Komsomolskaya Pravda, December 18, 1926). Accused of rape stubbornly insisted that they were no different from the rest of the Komsomol members.

      In fairness, I must say that Stalin put an end to this sexual revolution. He criminalized sodomy, banned abortion.
      But priests also call for this! Does the call to ban abortion mean "tearing down" the roof?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 10: 15
        +2
        Quote: radio operator
        "demolition" of the roof?

        With the demolition of the roof, the Valkyrie got excited, rudely turned out, but otherwise she was right. hi
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 24 December 2013 11: 06
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          With the demolition of the roof, the Valkyrie got excited, rudely turned out, but otherwise she was right.

          Yes, yes, got excited. But then how well then she said. And it's all about the case.
          Nothing that these are just words, but judged by deeds. But rightly so.
          Nothing ugly rode through the man who brought, perhaps many times more good and benefit. But fashionable and modern.
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      3. Day 11
        Day 11 24 December 2013 12: 52
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        Kollontai raised herself well in this field. But she was from an intimate family. She decided to put the naval inside out, so to speak.
      4. IRBIS
        IRBIS 24 December 2013 16: 47
        0
        Quote: radio operator
        Does the call to ban abortion mean "tearing down" the roof?

        Definitely! To give birth or not to give birth should be decided by the woman herself. And the peasants need to work, not p ... de come up with prohibitions. Then there will be prosperity, and women will give birth. But priests can be advised to go about their business, divine. And then, looking at them and their actions, something is not at all believed that people serve God.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 19: 19
          +2
          Quote: IRBIS
          To give birth or not to give birth should be decided by the woman herself.

          Sasha. I respect your opinion, but in the current information cloak, it is easy for our women to inspire any thought. Look at TV programs I AM SAMA, Former Wives Club, and let's get married. What values ​​do they drive into our women? Only bans. hi
          1. IRBIS
            IRBIS 25 December 2013 14: 13
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Sasha. I respect your opinion,

            Thank! And - similarly. hi I will say that I personally did not watch such programs, sometimes I just hear my wife’s laugh. I have it in full adequacy, all this is considered absurd and we will definitely give birth at least once more. You know, she doesn’t need to forbid anything, but she decides anyway, because she is simply a Woman.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 25 December 2013 15: 00
              +1
              Quote: IRBIS
              I have it in full adequacy, all this is considered absurd

              Happy for you. And therefore I parted with the first one, that it was carried to the clouds, the expansion began. It is easier for women to plant false ideals. Thank God, the second one was lucky, we will also follow the children. drinks
        2. radio operator
          radio operator 25 December 2013 09: 29
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          Quote: IRBIS
          Definitely! To give birth or not to give birth should be decided by the woman herself. And the peasants need to work, not p ... de come up with prohibitions. Then there will be prosperity, and women will give birth.

          I completely agree with you in terms of the fact that men should and must work in order to provide for the family financially.
          But I want to ask you, was Stalin really so stupid that he introduced a ban on abortion and homosexual? I think the answer is obvious.
          You do not like priests? Stalin also exiled and shot them. Until 1941 year.
          In the fall of 1941, he changed his attitude towards the Russian Orthodox Church. Probably again, Stalin had an attack of dullness?
      5. kartalovkolya
        kartalovkolya 25 December 2013 10: 38
        0
        "And the casket just opened ..." - so the fighters "with the Soviet past" showed themselves in full glory, but in fact they are the most terrifying Russophobes! And I would advise everyone there to "Valkyries" to be more restrained in their statements and not to call black white and white black!
    3. Svobodny
      Svobodny 24 December 2013 10: 37
      -3
      Quote: Valkyrie
      And without morality and sexual education lessons at school, people were mostly pure souls.

      And aborted children by millions.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 10: 47
        +1
        Quote: Svobodny
        And aborted children by millions.

        What are millions, dear? fool It's about the schools of the USSR. Do not write nonsense. hi
      2. SergBrNord
        SergBrNord 24 December 2013 13: 50
        0
        Billion shot personally by Stalin?
    4. Same lech
      Same lech 24 December 2013 10: 54
      +2
      Actually, the GEEPEDERASTS demolished the roof in their attempt to impose their orders on us.
    5. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 25 December 2013 10: 49
      0
      Something is not visible values ​​for imitation in the zapad (due to the exploitation of others). A full stomach has not yet made anyone a highly moral member of society, but hungry, ragged and "oppressed" our Grandfathers and Fathers did not hesitate to close their breasts with their breasts. (Alexander Matrosov was no older than today's youth)! Very subtly you lead people to the usual Russophobia. And non-constructive attacks on the Russian Orthodox Church are attacks on all our values ​​and the statement that "... the priest was blown away in his old age ... "clearly provocative and Russophobic in nature (or sheer stupidity)!
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 24 December 2013 09: 12
    +8
    The article touched upon a very sensitive topic, the topic of preserving the family! Even Ulyanov-Lenin wrote in his writings about the family as the basis of society and the state, its unit. The fifth column fighting against Russia is doing everything to destroy this unit and our whole society with it, and ultimately destroy Russia as a state. That is why all the enemies of our Russia (both internal and external) direct their main blow against the Russian Orthodox Church - the last bastion in the struggle against the forces of evil and darkness. The family is the front line of defense of our society and country And to love priests or not to love everyone's personal business, of course, not all priests are a model, but they are also members of our society and they have a lot of negative things that we ourselves have. And do not judge and you will not be judged. Remember the great Plevako, justified the guilty priest with one phrase: "Forgive him once, because he forgave you many times!" (I can’t guarantee the literalness of the quoted quote, but the meaning is this) And it is not necessary to "sprinkle ashes on the head", but to act as a united nationwide front against the evil spirits swung against our foundations!
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 24 December 2013 09: 25
    +2
    Everything is clear, but where are the monuments of OUR HISTORY. Only maidanut vandals fight with monuments. You can’t touch the HISTORY OF YOUR PEOPLE who likes it or not. As for television, this is so; there is a dominance of liberals and watching TV harms both the moral and physical health of a person. And all this is done on purpose.
  • Greenwood
    Greenwood 24 December 2013 09: 32
    +5
    Women suffer from this in the first place, because every normal woman naturally wants a family, wants to get married.
    Yeah, yeah, he wants to. But will they marry her if she constantly smokes, drinks, swears, is rude and pretends to be a queen. Well, who needs such a TP? And there are a lot of them now. About half of the guys and girls work in our department: it’s interesting that half the guys don’t smoke, and some don’t even drink. Girls run to smoke all without exception. And corporate parties are drunk better than men. And what, with such a family to build and give birth to children ?! In general, culture must be changed, then the family will not have problems.
    It is clear that not everyone is the same as I listed, but alas, the percentage of TP and other walking slut in Russia is very high.
    1. JonnyT
      JonnyT 24 December 2013 11: 25
      +1
      And all this because of the decline in morality!

      Now the media space has a huge impact on the formation of a model of human behavior ... and what do we see there? Whether it's internet or TV? Most of it is dedicated to whores, booze, drugs and money .... it is not surprising that such "fruits" grow on such soil
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 24 December 2013 12: 23
      +3
      Quote: Greenwood
      And what, with such a family to build and give birth to children ?! In general, culture must be changed, then the family will not have problems.

      Right! And everything must start with education! From the 1st grade and even earlier - the boys are the defenders, the girls are the guardians of the family, at home. And in this case, the church should help! And reasonable censorship will not hurt. So that both the media and TV channels do not popularize the "heroes". Then there will be a result.
      1. radio operator
        radio operator 24 December 2013 15: 12
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Correctly! And everything must begin with education!

        I would add that education is the basis of the foundations. It is with education that we instill a worldview. That is, we set the vector of good or evil. Even education is secondary, for knowledge is like a two-edged sword with which you can build, but you can destroy.
  • Shmel
    Shmel 24 December 2013 09: 41
    +1
    People creating a family in Russia must understand why they are doing this. A family is created in order to give life. Everything else is not a family - this is cohabitation.

    People must understand one very simple thing: if we Russians do not give birth and raise our children, other peoples will do it on our land. And we will not have a place on that earth! We still have time! But it is leaving.
  • Stinger
    Stinger 24 December 2013 09: 47
    +2
    I wonder why Voltaire said: "With religion it turns out the same as with gambling: if you start with a fool, you end up with a cheat"?
    Those. it is necessary to demolish unfavorable monuments and replace the names of streets named in honor of people appointed by the church as terrorists, introduce a new political officer in robes punishing for stains and will everything be all right? Yes, I forgot to remove the demons from the TV.
    But this was already with the priests of the Marxist parish. The result is on the face.
    Isn't it better to do education and upbringing on the best literary works of world literature, masterpieces of world culture, without political and religious addictions? Or without religion there is no patriotism, honor and conscience?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 24 December 2013 10: 09
      +9
      Quote: Stinger
      I wonder why Voltaire said: "With religion it turns out the same as with gambling: if you start with a fool, you end up with a cheat"?


      In the last minutes he was not up to malice.

      In his dying minutes, Voltaire begged his doctor: “I conjure you: help me, I will give you half of my property if you extend my life for at least six months; if not, then I will go to hell, and you will follow there. ”

      He wanted to invite a priest to ease his soul, but his free-thinking friends did not allow him to do this.
      He shouted: “I am abandoned by God and people. I will go to hell. Oh Christ! Oh Jesus Christ! ”
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    3. Flooding
      Flooding 24 December 2013 19: 22
      0
      Quote: Stinger
      Or without religion there is no patriotism, honor and conscience?

      It happens, but there can be no honor and conscience in a person who cools the faith of his great-grandfathers.
    4. radio operator
      radio operator 25 December 2013 11: 34
      0
      Quote: Stinger
      Or without religion there is no patriotism, honor and conscience?

      On this occasion, I recall Stalin's dispute with Bishop Luka Voino-Yasenetsky, a prominent physiologist, author of "Essays on Purulent Surgery". Stalin asked: "You have operated on people and opened corpses many times, have you ever seen a soul?" Vladyka answered the question with a question: "Do you, Iosif Vissarionovich, believe in the existence of conscience?" - "Of course, there is a conscience," said the "father of nations". - "So, while operating, I have never seen such an organ as conscience," said the saint
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 24 December 2013 10: 33
    +6
    Quote: The family is in danger of decay. A lot of all sorts of destructive "winds", which are expressed in divorces, in the irresponsibility of the male part of the population in relation to their own children, there are a lot of cohabitation without founding a family.

    Russian radio and television and other media completely copy Western programs, series, entertainment shows and print media. And what we see there: the house - 2 with its debauchery, youth series about students for whom sleeping with a neighbor is no more problematic than smoking a cigarette. This educates the cult of a light, immoral life without purpose and responsibility among the young generation. And the result does not have to wait long - a decline in the cult of a strong family.
  • Begemot
    Begemot 24 December 2013 11: 06
    +3
    "The origin of the family, private property and the state", F. Engels.
    As far back as the century before last, these concepts were put in one row as a single whole. A state is inconceivable without a family; it stems from the natural essence of a rational person. That is what distinguishes him from the animal world. Today, capital is playing against the family and against the existence of the state. The presence of borders, the sovereign rights of the state, peoples, an individual person undermines the omnipotence of capital, reduces the rate of return and redistributes it not as the owners of the yellow devil would like. The family in this battle became a target because it forms the basis of the state. No matter how magnificent the building is, if the bricks in it begin to collapse, the whole building will collapse. It is necessary to return to traditional family values, to completely block the channels of propaganda of Satanism and lasciviousness, and to make education of young people in the spirit of family values, patriotism, and virtue paramount. No matter how trite it sounds, but the lost must return to the beginning of the path, to their roots, in order to choose the right path.
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 24 December 2013 11: 14
    +5
    Stupidity of course, although it seems like a serious reason. The family of course should be, only there is a question, most have long considered the family: Mom, Pata and children (no matter how much). Grandfathers, grandmothers are no longer part of the family, not to mention great-grandfathers and great-grandmothers. And in general, the concept of family appeared recently, in the old days they spoke a clan. Nobody asked anyone what surname, they asked what kind of ore people. Among other things, it is impossible by force of law to impose morality, culture, traditions. So parenting and only parenting, but parenting is not just a matter of principle, so it should be and no matter why. Education in the modern world must necessarily be reasoned, since childhood, a person must not only learn incomprehensible truths, he must understand why this is so, and not otherwise. And finally, if upbringing does not correlate with real life, then such upbringing is worthless. Which we have been observing for the past twenty years.
  • goody
    goody 24 December 2013 11: 26
    +4
    About monuments and streets, of course, fever, but about the family 100% on target! Article +
    1. Alexey K.
      Alexey K. 25 December 2013 07: 05
      -1
      Why fever? What is the pleasure of living on a street named after a terrorist? What joy is it to see a monument to the murderer of the Russian people on the main square or main avenue?
  • Jager
    Jager 24 December 2013 11: 34
    +9
    Unfortunately, irreparable processes have already started. The family, as an institution in the modern world, has been completely destroyed. I know the problem like no one else. I'm 26, a representative of the first "generation without morality", as someone once called him. And what is interesting is that out of all my friends aged 20-28 (and there are many of them), there is NOT ANY FAMILY. NOT ONE CHILD. Maximum - cohabitation for six months. The weakness of men, selfishness and unpreparedness for the life of women. And the main thing is the absence of the very concept of "family". The overwhelming majority are people who grew up in single-parent families. As a result, there is a complete confusion in the minds, the lack of clear and clear basic moral principles. In addition, the economic situation plays an important role, when it seems that it is possible to continue the family, but a) there is no housing b) the salaries are ridiculous. In addition to b - va and debauchery, there is nothing in the media, no moral brakes.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator 24 December 2013 11: 48
      +1
      It is foolish to blame only young people in this situation. Parents are much more to blame for this (I belong to this generation as well). Children are the fruit. Our flesh is flesh. As brought up, they grew up like that.
      It is a pity that in my atheistic childhood there was no Father Dmitry. He would bring up differently. And they would have given birth more definitely.
    2. ars_pro
      ars_pro 24 December 2013 16: 08
      0
      I understand that from the same generation I thought that I was the only one, but no, everyone had it. What family is what it is about, where and what to live for. Unfortunately, but you're right !!!
  • Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 24 December 2013 11: 51
    -2
    A comrade who does not have a family and rides on a pajerika (of course donated - by whom, for what merits and how clean grandmothers he bought, I would like to know) once again he preoccupied himself with the problems of family and fertility ...
    And this is a paradox: many echo him, blaming the existing problems of abstract liberals, the fifth column, the media, the spoiled youngsters - they are all bad, and we are all in white - the last bastion of a fly platter ...

    Guys, ask yourself: under what conditions will each of you be ready to give birth to the 3rd, 5th, 10th? - your answer to it will be the answer to the question - "what should be done?"
    The next likely question is "who should create the conditions?"
    And finally, we will have to answer ourselves to the question - "why the one who should create these conditions does not create them (and will never create them)?"
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 December 2013 12: 26
      +9
      Quote: Yarosvet
      Under what conditions will each of you be ready to give birth to the 3rd, 5th, and 10th?

      Most of the money will not force anyone to give birth to ten, for this purpose in life it is necessary to change where the family is the foundation, and not the conditions of welfare. Examples can be given a lot.
      Quote: Yarosvet
      "who should create the conditions?"

      Create yourself without nodding to the top.
      Quote: Yarosvet
      "why the one who should create these conditions does not create them

      Maybe Putin should come and help you sleep with your wife more often or show how to do it? Although it’s better you sleep, sit at the computer, write a post that there are no conditions for having children. Yes and in general, it’s easier to criticize him than to make children and give birth to them.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 24 December 2013 12: 34
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        for this purpose in life you need to change where the family is the foundation, not the conditions of welfare

        To the point, Sasha. But flowers without watering and in fertile soil wilted. The state is obliged to take care of both the moral character of its citizens, supporting traditional values, and material well-being. That is the purpose of the state. while we still have HOUSE 2 taxis, and the club of ex-wives broadcasts, driving the theory of exclusivity into women’s heads. hi
      2. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 24 December 2013 12: 59
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Most of the money will not force anyone to give birth to ten, for this purpose in life you need to change where the family is the foundation, and not the conditions of welfare. Examples can be given a lot
        Bring one - your own: under what conditions exactly are you, positioning yourself a Christian and therefore having the right goals, will you be ready to make ten?

        Create yourself without nodding to the top
        If everyone begins to create them for himself (and this in the paradigm of social Darwinism proposed by you can only be done by throwing others) then:
        1 the population will begin to decline rapidly, since less time will remain for the process itself, due to stress, alcoholization will increase even more and the health of the population will worsen, there will be absolutely no time for education, competition will start permanently developing into a banal "massacre", and all together will lead to deformation morality and hammering into the correct life goals so cherished by you (in fact, all of the above is happening at the moment).
        2 If everyone will be responsible for everything himself, then why the hell is a superstructure in the form of a state and a bunch of parasites that are the authorities in this state?

        Maybe Putin should come and help
        Open the constitution
      3. Flooding
        Flooding 24 December 2013 13: 06
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Anyway, it’s easier to criticize it than to make children and give birth to them.

        and even more so - to raise and educate. And then also the grandchildren ...
        Oh, Monomakh’s hat is heavy.
        1. 123dv
          123dv 24 December 2013 16: 03
          +3
          And I have friends, two happy families, seven children each, and grandchildren have already gone. And there is no abundance, but there is a concept of the value of life, the value of love and friendship.
          And although evil people say - there is nothing to produce poverty, but they are not right even once.
          This year, a boy from this family entered the Moscow Conservatory in Moscow. And no one cried about the conditions, nor about the participation of the state, but there was love and care.
          Just what a person needs for life and happiness in life.
    2. radio operator
      radio operator 24 December 2013 15: 26
      0
      Quote: Yarosvet
      No family friend

      Married. Has a daughter.
      Plus foster half a soul.
      (If only one pagan took the education of other people's children).
      Quote: Yarosvet
      and riding on pajerika (of course donated - by whom, for what merits and on how clean grandmothers I bought, I would like to know) once again he preoccupied himself with the problems of family and fertility ...

      Did you buy with your money?
      What a liberal habit of looking into other people's wallets ?!
      Have you tried to make money yourself?
      And they really gave him a car. Like me.
      And to whom? To give you? Have you brought up any 50 kids?
      Do you need conditions for having children? And praise the Lord that they are not given to you. What do pagans teach children? Tales and hatred.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 24 December 2013 15: 57
        -1
        Quote: radio operator
        Married. Has a daughter
        Really didn’t know. However, the question arises: is it that the good speeches about the need to have 3 or more children are made not by poor guys who have 2 of their own - is this normal?

        Plus half a half of souls
        Sly - children of orphanages.

        (If only one pagan took on the education of other people's children)
        One probably took it ended with the destruction of the pre-Christian culture of Russia.

        Did you buy with your money?
        It is not excluded.

        What a liberal habit of looking into other people's wallets ?!
        Have you tried to make money yourself?
        I always wondered - why do our dear Christians, broadcasting about the Russian community, morality and negativity of liberalism, upon closer examination turn out to be neo-liberals professing social Darwinism and shaking at the probably dirty loot of co-religionists?

        And they really gave him a car. Like me
        Well then, at the expense of neoliberalism, everything is clear laughing - he said that the pajer was driven by a certain business man who, like any business man, by definition, is engaged in the alienation of the products of the labor of his employees - that is, legalized theft (morality in this case is sideways - you just need to bring it somewhere and God forgives)

        And to whom? To give you?
        Cross yourself.

        Do you need conditions for having children? And praise the Lord that they are not given to you. What do pagans teach children? Tales and hatred.
        This was written by a good Christian ...
        1. radio operator
          radio operator 24 December 2013 16: 36
          0
          Quote: Yarosvet
          One probably took it ended with the destruction of the pre-Christian culture of Russia.

          Why was it so easy to destroy? One man?
          Yes ... If one person could knock her over. Is it necessary?

          Quote: Yarosvet
          It is not excluded.

          How many of them were yours? Or do you think that I should unfasten my earned money to you?
          Well, if you need it, I will share it, no question.

          Quote: Yarosvet
          Well then, at the expense of neoliberalism, everything is clear laughing - he said that the pager drove him a certain business woman who, like any business businessman, by definition, is engaged in the alienation of the products of the labor of his employees - that is, legalized theft (morality in this case is sideways - you just need to bring it follows and God will forgive)

          Envy.
          Well, envy, you can heathens.
          If you are sure that someone has violated the law - sue. Do not be unfounded. In this regard, I respect Navalny - in vain does not breach. Kohl said that they were stealing; he would present evidence.
          And what you said ... frivolously somehow.

          Quote: Yarosvet
          Sly - children of orphanages.

          There are state orphanages, but there are non-state ones. So here we are talking about those that are on the content of the Russian Orthodox Church.
          Perhaps you will say in response that the Gentiles also have an orphanage organized by them?
          If so - I will bow to your feet.

          Quote: Yarosvet
          I always wondered - why do our dear Christians, broadcasting about the Russian community, morality and negativity of liberalism, upon closer examination turn out to be neo-liberals professing social Darwinism and shaking at the probably dirty loot of co-religionists?

          And since when do you attribute the ideas of Tolstoyans to Christians?
          The Apostle Paul also said: "He who does not work, let him not eat."
          What crap is it, if I am a Christian, I have to fight myself and doom my family to starvation? I can earn money. First of all, I have a duty to my family.

          Quote: Yarosvet
          This was written by a good Christian ...

          I can write anything. But you do something based on your will. Well, if the pagans and liberals do not want to multiply, this is their business. In the end, everyone is on an equal footing.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 24 December 2013 17: 13
            -2
            Quote: radio operator
            Why was it so easy to destroy? One man?
            Why one? Byzantium and half of Europe were with him (to the account of the Tatar-Mongol yoke, too, far from everything is clear - the churches / monasteries too bloomed at that time)
            How many of them were yours?
            Maybe the whole pajer.
            Or do you think that I should unfasten my earned money to you?
            Depends on what you mean by earned.
            Envy
            Do not deny.
            If you are sure that someone has violated the law - sue
            This is from the series: "If you do not like my CEC, go to my court." LEGAL THEFT - is it better to see?
            I respect Navalny - in vain does not breach
            Who would doubt ... And if he comes to church, then in general everything will be forgiven - right?
            we are talking about those that are on the content of the Russian Orthodox Church
            Regardless of whether the DD is state-owned or not, the state produces funding in equal amounts (depending on the region) - up to 2 millions per year per child (if they have not raised it since 11).
            Perhaps you will say in response that the Gentiles also have an orphanage organized by them?
            Perhaps there is, but it is unlikely: through the efforts of the Russian Orthodox Church, pagan movements are attributed to unreliable, declared sects, etc.
            And since when do you attribute the ideas of Tolstoyans to Christians?
            Which ones are the rejection of social Darwinism?
            The Apostle Paul also said: "He who does not work, let him not eat"
            He spoke correctly. Another thing is that you (by your own admission) and people like you, allow yourself to eat what others have earned.
            I can earn money. I have a duty to my family, first of all
            And on this basis, do you allow yourself to rob others of not paying them?
            I can write anything
            And the commandments (their official meaning) sideways.
            In the end, everyone is on an equal footing.
            Thanks - neighing. laughing
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 24 December 2013 17: 50
              -1
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Why one? Byzantium and half of Europe were with him (to the account of the Tatar-Mongol yoke, too, far from everything is clear - the churches / monasteries too bloomed at that time)

              If not everything is clear, then why write? Isn't it smarter to keep silent until you collect the data? So did Byzantium force Orthodoxy in Russia? Or is it the work of half of Europe? I wonder which half. Catholic or something.
              1. Yarosvet
                Yarosvet 24 December 2013 19: 05
                -1
                Quote: Flood
                So did Byzantium force Orthodoxy in Russia?
                Well, you, everything happened exclusively in a voluntary-forced manner - of course, there can be no talk of any force planting.

                I wonder which half. Catholic or something.
                In which year did the faith that became Orthodoxy stand out from the general trend?
                What is Byzantium? Isn't the Roman Empire an hour?
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 24 December 2013 20: 41
                  0
                  Quote: Yarosvet
                  What is Byzantium? Isn't the Roman Empire an hour?

                  I ask you ... Be correct. You wrote Byzantium and Half of Europe.
                  Now you should understand that by Byzantium did you understand the gender of Europe?
                  And how interesting sideways? Certainly not geographic.
                  1. Yarosvet
                    Yarosvet 24 December 2013 21: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Flood
                    Now you should understand that by Byzantium did you understand the gender of Europe?
                    I think that you understood everything perfectly - both about Byzantium, as the heiress of Rome, and about Europe, as a number of states-carriers of Christian ideology.
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 24 December 2013 21: 10
                      +1
                      Just now I began to understand what you had in mind.
                      But that same series of European states was actually Catholic.
                      In 1054, the "divorce" was legalized, but the split occurred much earlier.
                      Explain to me what interest the European states pursued and what expressed their participation in the baptism of Russia?
                      1. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 24 December 2013 22: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        But that same series of European states was actually Catholic
                        “In fact, Catholics” ceased to be Christians and bearers of ideology from this, and did not have a desire to expand their influence?

                        In 1054, the "divorce" was legalized, but the split occurred much earlier
                        What does it change?

                        Explain to me what interest the European states pursued and what expressed their participation in the baptism of Russia?
                        The spread of religion.
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 December 2013 22: 38
                        +1
                        This is called in Russian "ugh you well you".
                        The meaning of the conversation is lost without your desire to be understood and understand others.
                        Maybe a walk up the conversation thread will help you?
                      3. Yarosvet
                        Yarosvet 24 December 2013 23: 05
                        +1
                        Maybe you should do it: you seek to prove my wrong by trying to catch me in words.

                        Not original.
            2. radio operator
              radio operator 25 December 2013 10: 39
              0
              Quote: Yarosvet
              Well, you, everything happened exclusively in a voluntary-forced manner - of course, there can be no talk of any force planting.

              Wait, but your like-minded people wrote:
              SunScorpion 28 July 2013 20: 55
              In fairness, it should be noted that the second name of Vladimir "Red Sun" was interpreted by the church from Vladimir the Bloody - a nickname given to him by the survivors to hide 9 corpses, which "cost" the so-called baptism (and this for less than 000 years, By the way, they were then simply "hung up" on, again, the so-called "Mongol-Tatar" invasion) and this despite the fact that the entire population of Kievan Rus at that time was estimated by historians at about 0000 people.

              or
              Setrac (1) 28 July 2013 23: 11 ↑
              But you probably heard the parable about how they cut out everyone who is above the cartwheel? so this is not about the Mongol-Tatars, but about the crusaders who baptized Russia.

              or
              Slavogor 30 July 2013 09: 43
              The baptism of Russia is a bloody holiday. And who does not agree, read Lev Prozorov. After baptism, we lost 14 millions of our Russian people. Say thank you for this to Prince Vladimir.

              Is this already not written in the Veles book?
        2. radio operator
          radio operator 25 December 2013 09: 57
          0
          Quote: Yarosvet
          Depends on what you mean by earned.

          Salary (remuneration of an employee) - remuneration for labor depending on the qualifications of the employee, complexity, quantity, quality and conditions of the work performed, as well as compensation payments and incentive payments. (Art. 129 of the Labor Code of the Russian Federation) Salary (unlimited paycheck) - monetary compensation (there is practically no other form of compensation) that an employee receives in exchange for his labor.

          Quote: Yarosvet
          This is from the series: "If you do not like my CEC, go to my court." LEGAL STEALING - is that better to see?

          If everything is so bad in Russia, then where, in your opinion, is good?

          Quote: Yarosvet
          Who would doubt ... And if he comes to church, then in general everything will be forgiven - right?

          The Russian Orthodox Church and the Criminal Code are not the same thing. The Russian Orthodox Church saves the souls of sinners, the Criminal Code punishes criminals.

          Quote: Yarosvet
          Regardless of whether the DD is state-owned or not, the state produces funding in equal amounts (depending on the region) - up to 2 millions per year per child (if they have not raised it since 11).

          Well, if everything is so chocolate, what do pagans do not create DD?

          Quote: Yarosvet
          Perhaps there is, but it is unlikely: through the efforts of the Russian Orthodox Church, pagan movements are attributed to unreliable, declared sects, etc.

          All forbidden sects have in their content the perverted content of the Holy Scripture, namely Christianity or Islam.

          Quote: Yarosvet
          He spoke correctly. Another thing is that you (by your own admission) and people like you, allow yourself to eat what others have earned.

          Tell me how much I ate or took someone else's - I will give everything to you! I don’t feel sorry for a good person.

          Quote: Yarosvet
          And on this basis, do you allow yourself to rob others of not paying them?

          And what, based on your logic, does someone live without robbing others?
          Yes, especially pensioners and veterans, whom our mink opposition with pagans so hates.

          Quote: Yarosvet
          And the commandments (their official meaning) sideways.

          What commandments does the apostle Yarosvet preach to us?


          Quote: Yarosvet
          Thanks - neighing.

          Have a good laugh.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 25 December 2013 13: 02
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            Quote: radio operator
            Is this already not written in the Veles book?
            I did not catch the point.

            Salary (unlimited paycheck) - monetary compensation (almost no other form of compensation) that the employee receives in exchange for his work
            Of course, you are not obliged to give compensation for labor to anyone - if compensation is alienated, it is essentially theft (usually legalized). Another thing is that compensation now differs by orders of magnitude, that is, some of the fruits of the labor of some are alienated in favor of others — labor costs cannot differ so much.

            If everything is so bad in Russia, then where, in your opinion, is good?
            It makes no sense to talk about everything - with some things we are doing better than others, so far, anyway.
            Speaking specifically about compensation for labor costs, this is better with any non-banana republic, starting with Spain and Greece, and ending with Australia and Cyprus.

            The Russian Orthodox Church and the Criminal Code are not the same thing. ROC saves the souls of sinners, the Criminal Code punishes criminals
            At the same time, the criminal, whose soul the ROC should seem to save, receives psychological indulgence instead of salvation - the main thing is to repent and bring it down.

            Well, if everything is so chocolate, what do pagans do not create DD?
            Probably not give.

            All forbidden sects have in their content the perverted content of holy scripture, namely Christianity or Islam
            And the texts of Christians and Mohammedans, in turn, are a perverted and sometimes supplemented copy of the Tanakh. And Judaism is a revised cult of Moloch (or others like him), the key ritual of which, in a modified form, as a metaphor, is one of the sacraments of Christianity.
            The difference between religion and sect is only in scope and recognition.

            Tell me how much I ate or took someone else's - I will give everything to you!
            Why do I need someone else? You give to those who have been taken away (you are currently speaking on the part of businessmen).

            And what, based on your logic, does someone live without robbing others?
            Yeah - the one they rip off. When asking about my logic, are you trying to justify yourself in this way?

            Yes, especially pensioners and veterans, whom our mink opposition with pagans so hates
            On the part of the minks (on a par with which you put yourself in defending the "right" of the business to underpay employees of the middle and lower levels) in relation to pensioners and veterans, I observed only disdain and irritation. But how do you distinguish the pagans in the crowd?

            What commandments does the apostle Yarosvet preach to us?
            Written in 2 1 chapters of the holy book - the Constitution is called.

            Have a good laugh
            Thank you.
            1. radio operator
              radio operator 26 December 2013 16: 51
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              Quote: Yarosvet
              Of course, you are not obliged to give compensation for labor to anyone - if compensation is alienated, it is essentially theft (usually legalized). Another thing is that compensation now differs by orders of magnitude, that is, some of the fruits of the labor of some are alienated in favor of others — labor costs cannot differ so much.

              I don’t understand what is at stake? I will ask in a different way.
              I work in a defense research institute as a leading engineer. What part of my salary is legal theft?

              Quote: Yarosvet
              The difference between religion and sect is only in scope and recognition.

              I understood your position.

              Quote: Yarosvet
              At the same time, the criminal, whose soul the ROC should seem to save, receives psychological indulgence instead of salvation - the main thing is to repent and bring it down.

              Again, I do not understand that you all go in circles? Can I have an example?

              Quote: Yarosvet
              Why do I need someone else? You give to those who have been taken away (you are currently speaking on the part of businessmen).

              Enlighten whom I have taken from - I will certainly give it.

              Quote: Yarosvet
              on a par with which you put yourself in defending the "right" of the business to underpaid employees of the middle and lower levels

              Where do I defend the right of business? My last name is Zaichenko, not Abramovmch. You are constantly trying to blame me for something, which I have no idea about. Although, if you recall the 37 year, the course of your thoughts is understandable, it thinks not like me - to destroy.

              Quote: Yarosvet
              But how do you single out pagans in a crowd?

              I do not single them out in the crowd, I have no opportunity. Pagans, like liberals, against the government, both of them require special conditions for themselves (to give birth, for example) if you demand, then we create them for ourselves. Pagans and liberals, looking at the injustices around, blame others for this, we blame ourselves for it. Still?
  • homosum20
    homosum20 24 December 2013 13: 47
    -1
    We live in St. Petersburg. My wife has a girlfriend. Higher education -Polytech. Programmer. Very qualified. Internship in Germany (then worked for the Germans). Smart.
    The guy was from college. From a leading family. Bullshit is complete. Hysterical. She suffered with him for about 10 years. She quit. Following. Just a man. He drove a minibus, worked as a valet, something else. I also suffered from this for about 10 years. I had a child and began to live alone. Raises a son. It is very difficult: a woman to raise a boy, and then a man. It turns out badly.
    Let this one in a cassock tell her about the woman’s obligation to give birth. About the future of the homeland. For 50 thousand salaries in St. Petersburg. (It costs me 53 thousand to pay for my daughter’s studies at the institute).
    It starts to pound me from these wise guys.
    To give birth to many with low income - to produce poorly educated, with a limited worldview victims. This means from childhood dooming a person to the role of labor, which is used by the elite’s heirs, who have allowed themselves at the expense of dads and mothers to get a good education and starting position.
    You have to be realistic - not only we have these problems. They are all over the developed world. That means they are objective. And it’s still necessary to see what depends on: gays in Europe and America destroy the traditional family, or the inability to create a normal traditional family makes people look for excuses in color ideologies. And this is very serious. Because it is possible to deal with objective trends only by changing objective reality. Demagogy and half measures only worsen the situation. The tradition of the Russian family (Domostroy) stemmed from the restrained financial position of women in life. Therefore, she suffered. Under socialism, in spite of the posters, such as Tereshkova and women’s deputies, women in power and responsibility (and therefore earnings) were also not welcomed. BUT starting from the 17th, through revolutions, wars, perestroika - the Russian man’s composition was knocked out. And most of all the best were beaten out. (Who is the first to explode from the trench - worthlessness and a coward, or whoever is worth something?) As a result, today most of the men are simply not able to play the role of the traditional leader in the family (often just do not want to). And this is what creates a traditional family. It gives birth to confidence in the woman of tomorrow, allows you to have children.
    It is this, and not symposia that explain responsibilities and consequences. The consequences will be later and not with us. And everyone needs to live today. And feed the children today. And maternal capital is not the solution to their situation. Divide it into 12 months and into 2 parents and get a supplement of 16 per month per parent for 750 year. Does she radically change the situation?
    To support a traditional family, TRADITIONAL conditions must be revived. Someone will not like it. Well, if someone doesn’t like the rain, he doesn’t stop going. A TRADITIONAL conditions - the leading role of men in family financing. And try to drive other options. You can start by persuading a woman to give birth more, because it is patriotic. I would not like to hear that they will answer you.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 24 December 2013 14: 20
      -1
      Quote: homosum20
      From childhood, this means condemning a person to the role of labor, which is used by the elite’s heirs, who, at the expense of dads and mothers, have allowed themselves to get a good education and starting position
      They are leading to this, they are trying to justify it, they are trying to consolidate this state of affairs in their consciousness as the right one.
      And the traditional conditions that you are writing about are precisely the very conditions under which a person from childhood is doomed to the role of a labor force, which is used by the heirs of the so-called "elite".
    2. radio operator
      radio operator 24 December 2013 15: 34
      +2
      Quote: homosum20
      Let this one in a cassock tell her about the woman’s obligation to give birth. About the future of the homeland. For 50 thousand salaries in St. Petersburg. (It costs me 53 thousand to pay for my daughter’s studies at the institute).

      So he says:
      - So we are to blame? What do you need to raise a man from a boy, and a real woman from a girl?
      - For this you need a father in the family.

      Did you choose the father of the child? Or me?
      By what criteria did she choose her father for her child? Is it good in bed? Well, sorry, this is her choice.
      1. Alexey K.
        Alexey K. 25 December 2013 07: 14
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        I completely agree. The Bible says: “Do not be deceived, God does not scold. What a man sows, he will also reap ”(Galatians 6: 7). Interestingly, it turns out if the husband is bad and quits, then someone is to blame, only we are not white and fluffy. In order to find a worthy husband, you must first of all pray to God and do not flatter yourself. Higher education and internships in Germany will not help.
    3. Hleb
      Hleb 24 December 2013 17: 16
      +1
      polytechnic, programmer, smart ... with this you wanted to emphasize that she has high self-esteem? that she respects herself? so for me an example with a milkmaid would be more revealing and tell me that she is stupid because she did not graduate from college. and therefore can tolerate resentment of her husband? your friend can be called rather not a woman, but a "horse with eggs". no, you are so right for me in many respects, only in your opinion we will die out. cannot or do not want to solve this problem, what options do you suggest? only extinction. because even two children are not enough to preserve the nation
  • polly
    polly 24 December 2013 13: 52
    +6
    The requiem is premature. In our yard there are so many children that only joy in our souls, and what we put into their bright little heads depends only on us!
  • dmb
    dmb 24 December 2013 14: 15
    +2
    Despite the fact that I personally have significant ideological differences with this priest, he commands respect, because, unlike the clown Chaplin, he speaks to the point. But this topic was not even tough for him. at first everything is simple, because what he is talking about is obvious to every normal person, but then ???. Well, first of all, he contradicts himself, speaking of high morality 70 years ago, he forgets, or rather deliberately keeps silent that this morality was created by the successors of the work of those whose monuments he proposes to demolish. It was in Soviet society that abortions were initially prohibited and then discouraged, this Soviet society did not encourage divorce and very harshly asked parents who left their children without care. This society forbade debauchery on the screen, and on the stage, and suppressed homosexuals so unloved today. In addition, this power provided the family with a real opportunity to get housing for free, which is actually the main material basis of a strong family. Father should remember that prostitution in tsarist Russia was officially allowed, that "funny newspapers" were published and were available, that most of the high society was, to put it mildly, gay, and in large peasant families no more than half of the children lived to come of age. I'm not even talking about the current government, which, receiving income from those very TV channels, will spit on income and begin to revive the family. Into this utopia, I think. and the father himself does not believe in the strength of his intelligence and education.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator 24 December 2013 17: 00
      +2
      Quote: dmb
      Well, first of all, he contradicts himself, speaking of the high morality of 70 years ago, he forgets, or rather deliberately holds back, that this morality was continued by the successors of those whose monuments he proposes to demolish.

      Why is it contrary?
      Remember when the ROC was rehabilitated? From 1941 to 1953 years. This is the era of Stalin.
      And about whom does Father Dmitry speak? Lenin, Uritsky, Voikov — those whose associates Stalin destroyed. Under Lenin, from 1917 to 1924, the country was plunged into severe ruin, under the slogans of a world revolution. Stalin recalled communist ideas in the third, if not the fourth place. The task number 1 for him was to modernize the country. Khrushchev later remembered about communism (and at the same time he promised to show the last priest).
      So Stalin's time was the most favorable for the development of a healthy morality from the point of view of Christianity.
      Therefore, I do not see any contradiction here.
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      2. dmb
        dmb 24 December 2013 19: 36
        +1
        Dear Sergey, I repeat for you personally. Both father and I talked about the destruction of the family and the loss of morality, and not at all about how the Soviet state treated the Orthodox Church, whose representatives did not always represent its (moral) model: before the revolution, and after it, and now . But everything that the father considers moral to strengthen the family, the Soviet state put into practice; and not only under Stalin. I gave you examples of the lack of morality before the revolution; they have not been refuted by you. The ideas of a moral socialist society, which Lenin began to build, were built by Stalin, were continued by Khrushchev and Brezhnev, who are united and do not understand this only trusting citizens fooled by the current propaganda. And if the father really is a fan of Russia and its people, he needs to put candles day and night for the speedy return of socialism to the country.
        1. Alexey K.
          Alexey K. 25 December 2013 07: 22
          +1
          The destruction of churches and the destruction of their own people, which occurred in Soviet times - was this done for the moral strengthening of the family ???
          1. dmb
            dmb 25 December 2013 09: 48
            -1
            Is morality just the church? And who do you mean by "your own people"? Compare the population under the tsar and under Soviet rule. Remember the state of health care before and after Soviet power. Compare the level of education and its quality. However, you are probably one of those gentlemen. who, having once driven into their heads a stupid liberal agitation, do not want to think.
            1. radio operator
              radio operator 25 December 2013 11: 43
              +1
              Quote: dmb
              Compare the population under the tsar and under Soviet rule.

              Under Nicholas II (bloody), the population of the Russian Empire increased by 60 million people. If only one secretary general had the same result.
        2. radio operator
          radio operator 25 December 2013 11: 14
          +1
          Quote: dmb
          And if the father really is a fan of Russia and its people, he needs to put candles day and night for the speedy return of socialism to the country.

          Dear Dmitry! We have a slightly different perception of the past, but we won’t beat our faces because of this.
          Oddly enough, the Communist Party is the closest like-minded member of the Russian Orthodox Church among political parties, unlike the United Russia. The current followers of Lenin see in the person of the Patriarch an exclusively ally.

          Quote: dmb
          The ideas of a moral socialist society, which Lenin began to build, were built by Stalin, continued by Khrushchev and Brezhnev

          I will give you an example of "consistency" in the national policy of the USSR on the example of Chechnya.
          Lenin called on the Vainakhs to fight Denikin, who fought in the civilian in the Caucasus. In gratitude, the mountaineers are given several areas with villages, populated by Terek Cossacks. They gave it to the highlanders for settlement. Is it necessary to clarify what this means when there are almost no men in the villages? A small episode: the next on one of the villages was a company of Red Army soldiers and they saw garlands hung with garlands on the fence, and the heads of unborn babies were planted on a picket fence.
          These creatives were the leader’s support.
          What did Stalin do? On 23 of February 1944 of the year, all Chechens and Ingush were deported (there is even a version that Beria asked for permission for Stalin to allow the sinking of barges with highlanders in the Caspian). Abolished Chechen-Ingushetia, returned the lands and villages to the Russians. Instead of Chechen-Ingushetia, the Grozny district of the Stavropol Territory arose.
          We go further, already in the 1958 year Khrushchev rehabilitated the Vainakhs, created according to the new Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, again included the same districts of Stavropol in the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. The massacre is repeated.
          Tell me, Dmitry, where is the sequence here? The parallel Lenin-Khrushchev is clearly traced, and Stalin is clearly knocked out of this axis.
          1. dmb
            dmb 25 December 2013 21: 16
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            Let's operate with evidence, and not gossip spread by those liberal gentlemen, whom you, judging by the previous comments, cannot stand. So, you have not refuted a single argument given by me. Thank God that at least you do not assert that Stalin built capitalism, and that is bread. A source of information about the increase in population under Nikolai # 2? A source about Lenin's transfer of villages to the Vainakhs in gratitude? The source from which you took the information that Lenin generally met with the Czechs on this issue, the source, about the guts? The source that Lenin saw in them a support? Reasons for deportation? Source about Beria? Oh what massacre under Khrushchev are you talking about? When you can answer these questions, it will be possible to continue the discussion. At the same time, I will note that I was born and raised in Grozny, and I have a much higher score for individual representatives of the Chechen people than yours. In addition, if you have forgotten, there was a discussion of the article on morality, and I wrote my comments about it, and did not answer the question: "Who do you love Lenin or Stalin more?" I graduated with such discussions in elementary school.
            1. radio operator
              radio operator 27 December 2013 15: 29
              +1
              Quote: dmb
              Source, on the transfer to Lenin of the villages of the Vainakhs in gratitude? The source from which you took the information that Lenin generally met with the Czechs on this issue, source, about the guts? Source, what Lenin saw in them support? Reasons for deportation? A source about Beria? Oh, what massacre under Khrushchev are you talking about?

              Please source No.1 http://ldpr-sochi.ru/blog/1664.html
              Born in Grozny - great! So it will be easier for us to find a common language.
              My wife is a hereditary Terek Cossack from the village of Assinovskaya.
              The stories about the actions of the Vainakhs in the villages were taken from the words of my mother-in-law and (now deceased, Kingdom of Heaven to him) father-in-law. They did not find it, but their parents told it to them. By the way, about garlands of guts and a picket fence I heard from many former Grozny residents whose ancestors were Terek Cossacks.
              By the way, in the 31-32 year, my ancestors from Stavropol left for hunger for a Caucasian ridge in Georgia. On the way, my father was born on 4 of January 32 of the year, although the metrics were written out only on 11 of March, when they settled (if I am not mistaken, the Georgian village Tsiteli Tskaro). They moved to Grozny at the end of the 40s, they say that before the 1958 years, Grozny was the cleanest and most calm city in the Caucasus and one of the most beautiful in the USSR.
              Source No.2 http://topwar.ru/2673-xronika-druzhby-1917-1922-gody.html
              This is here on the site.
              Lenin personally, of course, did not meet with the Vainakhs. If I am not mistaken, Blucher did it on behalf of the Soviet government. I will clarify this.
              Well, as for the leader, I will give you one of his phrases: “... Let victorious Muslim Muslim warriors rush from all over Russia with fiery lava ...”
              (Izvestia, February 8, 1921 Years)

              And about morality: the Belgian consul in Russia, Joseph Duye later recalled: “In 1925, with the patronage of the Soviet government, the society“ Down with shame! ”Was formed. Members of this society pledged to abandon clothing and walk naked. For propaganda, some members of this eccentric society were sent on trips: to Kharkov, Rostov, Mineralnye Vody, etc. I saw them in the costume of Adam and Eve in Rostov. ”
              “A woman is not a man, but only a female. Every woman is a girl with whom you can do as you please. Her life costs no more than she receives for sexual intercourse ”(Komsomolskaya Pravda, December 18, 1926). Accused of rape stubbornly insisted that they were no different from the rest of the Komsomol members.

              Quote: dmb
              most of the upper world was, to put it mildly, non-traditional, and in large peasant families, no more than half of the children survived to adulthood.

              So all this high society hated autocracy and Russia. Herzen wrote from London about the horrors of serfdom, living there on the money 1500 of his serfs.
              Could your source say that half of peasant children did not live to adulthood?
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  • godun
    godun 24 December 2013 15: 40
    +4
    The role of the church, and not only that, is great, I know this on the example of our Father, who unfortunately died in a hike in nature with children from an orphanage. But the state government in preserving the family, unfortunately, is much higher. Unfortunately, because system, all efforts in the state are aimed at preserving and multiplying capital, but not families. In our country, whoever did not TALK about family problems and demography. It would seem that it would be easier, given the flow of petrodollars, to direct funds to support young families, to preferential and REALLY affordable housing, REALLY free kindergartens, etc. But, no, you won't "earn much" here, it is much more profitable to invest huge funds in mega projects, and you can grab a lot and quickly. I saw several young families who fell apart from this hopelessness, no housing, no normal work, no prospects in the foreseeable future. For many young couples, the solution to the housing problem is the death of their beloved grandmother, cynical, but true.
  • ars_pro
    ars_pro 24 December 2013 16: 01
    +3
    Just yesterday, at my leisure, I was thinking about the topic of the family, the importance and urgency of this problem. And also, tell me how many millions of children die without being born, but this is the question of murder (abortion), what right does a mother have to kill, this is not even a death penalty, where the guilt is proven and there are whole institutions and to motivate the murder only by the fact that the "female "there is no way to raise a child, give it to the state. And what is the state doing at this time? encourages! instead of creating schools for orphans, where children could be brought up for the good of society. So what? the death penalty was abolished and abortion is not? Look at the leisure time how many unborn children die per year, the hair stands on end ... There are no words in fact from indignation ... And if for a second imagine that abortion was banned by law, you will have to build schools and houses for children and these are jobs , in short, I don't see any drawbacks from such a legislative initiative, but I'll have to wait, since at the beginning it will be costly, but it will pay off handsomely, and how many children who have not been killed will later say thank you ... The institution of the family is good ... But I would like the fathers The churches worked more on this issue and achieved a ban on abortion at the legislative level.
    1. 123dv
      123dv 24 December 2013 16: 29
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      And here, try to read a little book, at least the first sheet of two or three ...
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      https://www.google.ru/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CC8QFjAB&url


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    2. Alexey K.
      Alexey K. 25 December 2013 07: 26
      +1
      THE TROUBLE OF RUSSIA - THE KILLING OF UNBORN CHILDREN !!!
      1. radio operator
        radio operator 25 December 2013 11: 51
        0
        Alas, trouble in the heads and hearts.