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"Kurganmashzavod" began to do BMP "Kurganets-25" for the parade 9 May 2015 of the year

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"Kurganmashzavod" began to do BMP "Kurganets-25" for the parade 9 May 2015 of the year

In Kurgan, they began to implement the most important task - the manufacture of combat vehicles for participation in the anniversary military parade of 9 in May 2015. The new Kurganets-25 combat vehicles, the BMD-4М airborne combat vehicles and the BTR-MDM airborne troops will be demonstrated on the Red Square by the Tractor Plants. This was reported to the Vestnik of Mordovia in the department of strategic communications Concern Tractor Plants.


“We are fully aware of the fact that military doctrine and advanced weapons that will and will be sent to the troops should ensure the security of the Russian state,” said Albert Bakov, first vice president of the Tractor Plants Concern. - Already today, the defense industry enterprises of the country have received government orders, allowing them to load our specialized production sites for the next decade. This will help us to update the production and technical base, create high-quality jobs, guarantee our specialists stable, well-paid work, and with it wealth in their families. ”

The military direction of the Tractor Plants is represented by the only Russian company that manufactures infantry fighting vehicles of Kurganmashzavod OJSC, Russian developer and manufacturer of airborne combat vehicles, OOO Volkograd Tractor Plant LLC, manufacturer of upgraded landing gear for anti-aircraft missile systems, Lipetsky LLC Tracked Tractor Plant ”, leading the Russian Design Bureau for the design and industrial development of infantry combat vehicles and tracked vehicles - OAO“ Special Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering ”, the head enterprise of the country on the materials and structures of protection of weapons, equipment and personnel - JSC "Research Institute of Steel"
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  1. Orik
    Orik 23 December 2013 11: 07
    +3
    The picture does not look so hot, I wonder if it will be much better than today's BMP.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 23 December 2013 11: 08
      +10
      The statement is interesting, for the parade, but they are not needed in the army
      1. Comeback
        Comeback 23 December 2013 11: 12
        0
        Quote: ivshubarin
        but they’re not needed in the army

        Not needed. There is a BMP-3, Schaub SEVEN DAYS TO SEAT to get there! And do not care that this is a self-propelled grill, yes, but with GUN!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 23 December 2013 11: 15
          +4
          Quote: Comeback

          Not needed. There is a BMP-3, Schaub SEVEN DAYS TO REACH

          You are here again, sat for a day and it's time to rinse your brain in the bathhouse.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 23 December 2013 15: 52
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            You're here again, sat for a day and it's time to rinse your brain in the bath

            The bathhouse will not help No. ... you can not rinse what is not wink .
      2. rpek32
        rpek32 23 December 2013 11: 14
        +2
        Quote: ivshubarin
        The statement is interesting, for the parade, but they are not needed in the army

        Reasonable remark by the way. What a show is this? It is not known how the car will show itself in the alleged conflict and it is already being advertised in the parade. Although, on the other hand, such orders for the defense industry are better than none at all.
        1. GDP
          GDP 23 December 2013 11: 27
          0
          What a show is this? It is not known how the car will show itself in the alleged conflict and it is already being advertised in the parade. Although, on the other hand, such orders for the defense industry are better than none at all.

          So advertising is the engine of commerce ...
        2. Midshipman
          Midshipman 23 December 2013 11: 49
          +16
          Well, let's show the T-34 in the parade - it showed itself well in conflicts. Do not worry about the defense industry - it has been loaded quite recently.
        3. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 23 December 2013 12: 06
          +22
          Quote: rpek32
          It is not known how the car will show itself in the alleged conflict and it is already being advertised in the parade.

          They don’t advertise at the parade, but it seems to be demonstrate the latest achievements of science and technology in the military industry.
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      3. Civil
        Civil 23 December 2013 11: 43
        0
        The messenger of Morder will not lie, there is no rush, it is necessary to do as necessary, and not run.
      4. Midshipman
        Midshipman 23 December 2013 11: 46
        +6
        What is so strange here? Advanced achievements will be shown at the parade, parades for this exist.
      5. Stinger
        Stinger 23 December 2013 11: 52
        .
        Apparently from tin. Until.
      6. Christian
        Christian 23 December 2013 15: 14
        .
        Kurganmashzavod "began to make BMP" Kurganets-25 "for the parade on May 9, 2015
        This is the whole essence of Putin's "army reform" - throwing dust in the eyes of the people (releasing piece models) - to destroy the remnants of the army and steal money.
      7. ATATA
        ATATA 23 December 2013 15: 23
        +7
        Quote: ivshubarin
        The statement is interesting, for the parade, but they are not needed in the army

        Well, what did you all marry to the stupid journalist who wrote this article?
        Well, a man formulated his thought wretchedly, and you are already making state conclusions from this.
        What do you think in the Moscow Defense Ministry are complete fools?
        And where does this self-confidence come from that you are smarter?
        Before the parade, the time is almost 1,5 years. And they will have time to collect and to a large extent they will pass the tests.
        There would be no joy. Tea does not print such news every day.
        ps Hello. hi
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 23 December 2013 17: 57
          +3
          Quote: ATATA
          And they will have time to collect and to a large extent they will pass the tests.

          Everything would be fine, but it’s a pity that Russian-made equipment has never been able to show itself in real battles, only Soviet equipment is fighting, and is showing itself well .. Even the newest Su-34 in conflict with Georgia is still a Soviet aircraft. Therefore, it’s premature to argue about the effectiveness of Russian weapons, although God forbid, of course, prove to him ...
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 23 December 2013 18: 11
            0
            Quote: DEfindER
            Everything would be fine, but it’s a pity that Russian-made equipment could never show itself in real battles,

            This is the same, we can only rejoice! drinks
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    3. Rustam
      Rustam 23 December 2013 11: 28
      +10
      Kurganmashzavod "began to make BMP" Kurganets-25 "for the parade on May 9, 2015


      For the parade? hmm, these friends from Kurganmash do not cease to amaze me (we will not swear)

      Ie to do something according to yours (as Rogoza promised) to hang and drive along Red Square, huh? And then nihai-Potemkin window dressing?

      a couple of questions

      - when will the first BMD4Ms for the airborne forces with your sky-high price finally be ready? (you swore that 10 units will be manufactured in 2013) - at this pace you will go far, and Shamanov wants to get 700 units by 2020.

      - a debt of 75 units of BMP-3 for RA (since 2010) -I would like to know how are you, maybe grannies will return?

      -Yes and how do you have a relationship with KBP? the clowns accuse them of all their troubles later, and they do your EPOCH for Kurganets

      ps, are you going to test the apparatus on the way to undermine, to fire, to defeat — to do marches there — or the task of costing a batch of 12 cars on some old chassis — so that DIMKU doesn’t let our defender defend, and then the grass doesn’t grow?

      By the way, such ostentatious bali MAY 9, 2008! and then in the summer we all saw what our army was like in terms of mobility and equipment!
      1. avg
        avg 23 December 2013 12: 54
        +9
        I completely agree. The parade is not VDNH, and cars must be built for state and military tests. If they do, then you can go to the parade. Now to engage in fraud, more expensive for yourself, you can sit in such a puddle that you involuntarily remember the immortal - they wanted the best ...
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 23 December 2013 13: 20
        0
        Quote: Rustam
        - a debt of 75 units of BMP-3 for RA (since 2010) -I would like to know how are you, maybe grannies will return?

        This contract, even with a stool, was broken when they abandoned the car. This year, the truth was the decision to finish building on those that had been touched. But here the matter went or not, it is not clear.
        1. Rustam
          Rustam 23 December 2013 13: 54
          +4
          russ69 was torn apart even when the stool


          And why was it developed, and where is the money that was stolen by the leadership of Kurganmash in 08-10? Do you want to tell us eh?

          As part of the targeted programs, this concern was allocated considerable budget funds for the purchase of military equipment, however, the enterprise management spent them ... at its discretion.

          - Naturally, the issue of infantry fighting vehicles and BMD was the tenth matter for the owners of this holding, by the way, where is the money for the first 10 BMD4Ms that were ordered for the airborne defense of the RF Ministry of Defense — still in 2008 — where is the money? Well, where is the products and money under the new supply contract 10 BMD4M in 2013 (this is the second attempt to get the multi-part BMD4M - on the first order, the money evaporated in an unknown direction, the direction was known, but then )? The money is understandable where, transferred to Kurganmash in early 2013!


          here from the note of the Chief Military Prosecutor Fredinsky for 2011 on Kurganmash and the concern "Tractor Plants

          Shortly before this, the Kurganmashzavod also came into the view of the Chief Military Prosecutor Sergei Fridinsky. In an interview with one of the federal publications, he said that the leaders of this enterprise, having received an advance of 350 million rubles, did not send it, as expected, to the counterparties, but for almost two months they launched the money into their own circulation. Naturally, the work of subcontractors was disrupted. “And then we are surprised why new types of weapons and equipment do not come to the army. Sadly, this situation is in many industries - from shipbuilding and engineering to space and aviation. ”

          “Forgeries and fictitious reports for allegedly completed work,“ kickbacks ”in the implementation of state contracts - all this is in the arsenal of fraudsters. As a result, huge amounts of money are plundered, almost every fifth ruble, and poor-quality equipment and weapons continue to enter the troops ”


          ps- No wonder the arms lobby cleaned Serdyukov-when he began to block oxygen to them.
    4. APASUS
      APASUS 23 December 2013 20: 04
      0
      Quote: Orik
      The picture does not look so hot, I wonder if it will be much better than today's BMP.

      It immediately says the manufacture of military vehicles for participation in the anniversary military parade on May 9, 2015. Perhaps the BMP for the army will look completely different ?!
    5. felix
      felix 24 December 2013 00: 32
      0
      I think we would have put up more dynamic protection, around the tower there is a grill and the terminator machine is resting. Of course, this is not necessary for the parade.
  2. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 23 December 2013 11: 10
    +6
    Kurgan-25 -------------
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 23 December 2013 14: 20
      +1
      side screens are interesting. what are they designed for? there will probably be 6 places, maximum 8!
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 23 December 2013 14: 25
        +2
        side screens are interesting. what are they designed for?

        To BMP could swim - floats. Plus add. reservation
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 23 December 2013 16: 21
          0
          that's it...
          I wonder what this machine will be fundamentally different from previously created analogues, standing in service ???
          Why I remembered about the side screens: the promising "amersky BMP" GCV has screens located in a similar way!
          Although it can also be floats, it was described. what exactly screens!
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 23 December 2013 17: 24
            0
            But I don’t know, the GCV is floating? It doesn’t look like the picture.
            1. Chicot 1
              Chicot 1 23 December 2013 17: 34
              +2
              Quote: Wedmak
              But I don’t know, the GCV is floating?

              Not. This is a heavy infantry fighting vehicle. Its weight will be about 60 tons (and by this indicator it will be on a par with MBT) ...
            2. bask
              bask 23 December 2013 18: 08
              +1
              Quote: Wedmak
              But I don’t know, the GCV is floating? It doesn’t look like the picture.

              Wedmak
              Navy BMP / BTR, a modular platform on the main gun, in the world of a unit.
              It is impossible to combine high security and buoyancy.
              For marines, a specialized BMP is needed, such as the Chinese ZBD200.
              Of the latest 3rd generation infantry fighting vehicles (mass-produced).
              1.SV-90,1.ASCOOD 1,2.BIONIX-25, it ... Puma are not seaworthy.

              1. South Korean K-21, only with extra floats.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 24 December 2013 10: 42
                0
                Thanks for the information.
  3. Airman
    Airman 23 December 2013 11: 12
    +2
    Yes, the most important task for the anniversary parade, and after that, even though the grass does not grow. A Kurganets adopted? Passed state. test? Or after the parade they will begin to experience. Spectators.
    1. Patton5
      Patton5 23 December 2013 12: 56
      0
      so until the parade more than a year! just break in a little wink
  4. Armata
    Armata 23 December 2013 11: 12
    +8
    And what does Mordovia have to do with it? recourse request And how interesting it is, he gave an interview to some messenger of Mordovia, but they are silent in the central press.
    1. svp67
      svp67 23 December 2013 11: 30
      +4
      Quote: Mechanic
      And what does Mordovia have to do with it?

      Good afternoon, Eugene. hi Yes, it turns out that this edition of the "Bulletin of Mordovia", we have the MOST ACTIVE in matters of defense. 95% of the most "killer" materials come from him ... Almost a brand.
      But I was more interested in this:
      In Kurgan, they embarked on the implementation of the most important task - the manufacture of military vehicles for participation in the anniversary military parade on May 9, 2015.
      Well, it’s good that they take care of the parade so much, but there are other questions, but who will care about the defense? For the parade, a maximum of three dozen cars is needed, but hundreds of them are needed in the troops ... The author either didn’t quite understand what he needed to write, maybe he wasn’t special or could figure it out. Because only the conclusion follows from his material that the plant is now starting to rebuild its conveyor belt for the production of new combat vehicles, so that only by the beginning of the 2015 year will it be possible to release small series of new vehicles FOR THE PARADE ...
      1. Armata
        Armata 23 December 2013 11: 56
        +4
        Hello, Sergey. Alas, I didn’t know that we had Mordva at the peak of the defense mouthpiece. defense industry. smile
        Quote: svp67
        Well, it’s good that they take care of the parade so much, but there are other questions, but who will care about the defense? For the parade, a maximum of three dozen cars is needed, but hundreds of them are needed in the troops ... The author either didn’t quite understand what he needed to write, maybe he wasn’t special or could figure it out. Because only the conclusion follows from his material that the plant is now starting to rebuild its conveyor belt for the production of new combat vehicles, so that only by the beginning of the 2015 year will it be possible to release small series of new vehicles FOR THE PARADE ...
        We have a small series for a long time in fashion. Take Transmash. Under the USSR, he made 200 self-propelled guns and auxiliary vehicles a month. Now the entire UVZ concern makes about 350 combat vehicles a year. Here are the real statistics of what’s going on. But they blow at every corner that in this office workers' salaries are higher than the average living wage by 200%.
        1. svp67
          svp67 23 December 2013 12: 20
          +5
          Zhen is scary of another. Now they are changing quite normal tanks (T80), to old Soviet ones (T72), which have not even been modernized properly ... Slightly tint and go. Everyone is afraid to TURN DEFENSE ORDER, only few people care about the level of defense capability ...
          1. Patton5
            Patton5 23 December 2013 12: 58
            +2
            so it is necessary to report until the 20 th year "the army is re-equipped by 70% with new equipment" but as we say everything new is well forgotten ...
          2. Heccrbq.3
            Heccrbq.3 23 December 2013 13: 03
            +4
            That’s for sure, for skeptics I suggest looking at the number of DZ blocks for the upgraded t-72 and t-80 type.
          3. user1212
            user1212 23 December 2013 13: 50
            0
            There is a decision to unify the park and refuse GTE. With modernization 72, the story is dark. It seems that from the age of 14, the Moscow Region will give up 72 and will return to purchasing T90 to replace the decommissioned vehicles. They won’t buy much. They are waiting for Armata to 16-17 years
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 23 December 2013 12: 25
          +10
          Now the entire UVZ concern makes about 350 combat vehicles a year.

          So the complexity of the technique has increased. And where do we need 1200 self-propelled guns a year to salt them?
          1. svp67
            svp67 23 December 2013 12: 32
            +3
            Quote: Wedmak
            And where do we need 1200 self-propelled guns a year to salt them?

            At the moment, to replace the LONGLY DEPRECATED samples ...
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 23 December 2013 13: 02
              +2
              It's no secret that one new tool replaces up to 4-5 old ones in efficiency. In addition, there is rocket weapons, which in some cases quite successfully replaces artillery.
              1. svp67
                svp67 23 December 2013 13: 08
                +1
                Quote: Wedmak
                It's no secret that one new tool replaces up to 4-5 old ones in efficiency. In addition, there is rocket weapons, which in some cases quite successfully replaces artillery.
                And for anyone, the secret is that the effectiveness of enemy equipment has also increased at times. And in the end, the question is not about replacing 10 samples of tanks that are still in the arsenal of the Russian army, but about 000 pieces of equipment that REALLY have to be exploited and fought ...
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 23 December 2013 13: 20
                  +3
                  I agree, weapons must be updated. And they update it! True at a slow pace. And most likely for two reasons: a) a lot of old equipment, b) few production facilities. And then there is the development of new models of heavy money eats, but it is these samples that will allow at times to increase the effectiveness of the troops.
                  1. alex-s
                    alex-s 23 December 2013 13: 49
                    +1
                    An old man can be sold to Africa!
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 23 December 2013 14: 20
                      +1
                      Junk is repaired, packaged and stored. What if the war?
              2. svp67
                svp67 23 December 2013 13: 11
                +3
                Quote: Wedmak
                In addition, there is rocket weapons, which in some cases quite successfully replaces artillery.
                But there are very LOTS of cases when it cannot do this or ECONOMICALLY NOT PROFITABLE. Our country under Khrushchev was already passing it, there were well smart people who did not let ruin the barrel artillery ... and I think there are now.
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 23 December 2013 13: 44
                  +1
                  But there are very LOTS of cases when it cannot do this or ECONOMICALLY NOT PROFITABLE. Our country under Khrushchev has already passed

                  I agree. But if earlier, barrel artillery was hundreds of guns per kilometer of the front, positional battles, now ... there is no front as such. Therefore, mobility must grow. That is why it is not towed guns that come, but MSTA, NONA and other melons. In addition, RPGs, ATGMs, MANPADS have replaced a whole "layer" of guns - anti-tank, "concrete-piercing" and anti-aircraft guns. The accuracy of ballistic calculations has increased and now the same mortar hits the target from the first shot, and not from the 5th.
          2. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 23 December 2013 13: 40
            +1
            God forbid come in handy on the border with China
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 23 December 2013 13: 59
              +1
              On the border with China, God forbid, of course, new "Tornadoes" with three letters G, C, and U will come in handy. By the way, China itself is well armed, although mostly with copies.
          3. Armata
            Armata 23 December 2013 15: 54
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            So the complexity of the technique has increased. And where do we need 1200 self-propelled guns a year to salt them?
            Simple question. How many self-propelled guns and auxiliary vehicles entered the troops over the past 3 years? The conclusion is extremely simple. Tanks nafig, self-propelled guns nafig, spreaders nafig, etc. from the list below, and the plant makes trams.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 23 December 2013 17: 26
              0
              Well, why, they are doing the MSTA, they are modernizing. The truth about the supply of bridge layers and other auxiliary equipment bravura reports is not heard.
        3. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 23 December 2013 12: 51
          +4
          Eugene, for that we have a Dutchman ... wassat
          1. Armata
            Armata 23 December 2013 15: 50
            +3
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            Eugene, for that we have a Dutchman ...
            We and Kuyvashev have drinks
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 23 December 2013 15: 54
              +1
              Quote: Mechanic
              We and Kuyvashev have

              Where have you been all this time (a joke), everyone asked you where the Mechanic is, where Eugene is our darling ?! laughing
              Hi Zhenya hi getting ready little left drinks
            2. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 23 December 2013 16: 12
              +1
              Quote: Mechanic
              We and Kuyvashev have

              yes

              Hello Zhen!
              Glad to see you. For a long time did not appear.
              drinks
  5. askort154
    askort154 23 December 2013 11: 16
    +1
    Kurganmashzavod started making BMP Kurganets-25 for the May 9, 2015 parade.

    Well, if only for the parade ?! Then ... Hurray! Thanks to Vestnik Mordovia!
  6. kimanas
    kimanas 23 December 2013 11: 18
    +5
    The parade should be only serial, not prototypes!
    1. askort154
      askort154 23 December 2013 14: 06
      0
      kimanas ... The parade should be only serial, not prototypes!

      You minus, not understanding my irony, namely, to the title of the article: - "Kurganmashzavod" began to make BMP "Kurganets-25" for the parade on May 9, 2015 ".
      And only - no more, no less! What's next? Series or what? Simply, is such an article appropriate on this site? What's new she gave out? Promote some kind of "Bulletin of Mordovia"? Well, thanks, now I will know that there is such a newspaper.
  7. Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 23 December 2013 11: 21
    +1
    Judging by the drawing, the tower will be uninhabited.
    1. svp67
      svp67 23 December 2013 12: 40
      +3
      Quote: Achtuba1970
      Judging by the drawing, the tower will be uninhabited.

      No, according to the picture, only one conclusion can be drawn - "THE TOWER WILL BE"
      1. Patton5
        Patton5 23 December 2013 13: 02
        +3
        There will be a tower module !!!
        1. svp67
          svp67 23 December 2013 13: 28
          +5
          Quote: Patton5
          There will be a tower module !!!

          The photo is good, but so far it only says that tests are underway ... for example, a photo of the T80B tower, you can tell by looking at it - is it inhabited or not?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 23 December 2013 14: 00
            +4
            Judging by the presence of the manhole cover - habitable.
  8. Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 23 December 2013 11: 23
    +1
    Interestingly, will tanks also have such side screens?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 23 December 2013 11: 54
      +6
      This is not only on-board screens, it is also a float for the campaign.
      1. svp67
        svp67 23 December 2013 12: 41
        0
        Quote: Achtuba1970
        Interestingly, will tanks also have such side screens?

        Quote: Wedmak
        This is not only on-board screens, it is also a float for the campaign.

        This is similar, because for tanks they are not applicable ...
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 23 December 2013 13: 03
          0
          Well, tanks are not subject to buoyancy requirements.
          1. svp67
            svp67 23 December 2013 13: 43
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            Well, tanks are not subject to buoyancy requirements.

            Therefore, they are not acceptable ...
  9. Jitel
    Jitel 23 December 2013 11: 29
    +2
    Again, crap - tries to look at a beautiful picture? Passed state tests, showed high reliability, etc. etc. - then welcome to the parade. And then damn it soon so to the tanks from papier-mâché we jump.
    1. Rustam
      Rustam 23 December 2013 11: 34
      +3
      Jitel RU Today, 11:29 AM
      Again, crap - tries to look at a beautiful picture


      But after all, Dimka Rozozin, our defender, promised that on May 9, 2015 we will see something? Here we need to not let the boss down and bungle something wink though everything else is inundated, but it doesn’t matter
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 23 December 2013 12: 00
        +6
        quote-On Red Square, “Tractor Plants” will demonstrate the new Kurganets-25 combat vehicles, BMD-4M airborne combat vehicles and BTR-MDM airborne armored personnel carriers.

        "Kurganets-25"




        BMD-4M



        BTR-MDM



        Technical characteristics of BTR-MDM
        Type Tracked, armored, floating, airborne
        Gross combat weight, t 13,2 + 2%
        Crew 2 (commander, driver)
        The mass of the transported freight, t, no more than 2
        The number of seats for the landing, pcs. Xnumx
        Specific power, kW / t (hp / t) 25 (34)
        Information management system of the chassis Digital, IUS-Sh
        The design of the machine allows it to be equipped with various replaceable equipment when using
        Ground clearance, mm
        Work 420 ± 20
        Minimum 100-30
        Maximum 500 + 30
        Driving speeds
        Maximum speed of the movement, km / h:
        on the highway
        70
        afloat
        10
        Average speed on a dry dirt road, km / h 45-50
        Cruising range
        By highway, km, at least 500
        On dry ground, km, at least 350
        Afloat, h, at least 7
        Overcoming obstacles
        Corners on dry soddy soil:
        rise and descent, no more
        35 °
        roll, no more
        20 °
        Ditch width, m, no more than 1,5
        Wall height, m, no more than 0,8
        weaponry
        Machine gun installation Remote autonomous for PKT
        PKT course machine gun installation Built-in course with TNP3VE01-01 device for observation and aiming
        Ammunition
        For PKT on the commander’s hatch, pcs. 8 boxes per 250 pcs.
        For course PCT, pcs. 2 boxes of 1000 pcs connected by a common power path
        Engine
        UTD-29 brand four-cycle, multi-fuel, liquid cooling, naturally aspirated
        Maximum power, kW (hp) 368 (500)
        Four-speed hydromechanical transmission, with power take-off for water-jet propulsion devices and with power take-off for the machine’s hydraulic pump drive
        2 water jets, one-stage, axial, screw type, with guide vane
        http://www.skbm.ru/rus/works/spec/btrmdm/
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 23 December 2013 12: 59
          +2
          impressive, a gun like a real paratrooper "gets up" instantly! laughing
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  11. Cossack
    Cossack 23 December 2013 11: 43
    +2
    Super-duper-pro Rogozin said that ABSOLUTELY NEW equipment will be shown at the PARADE ... His job is to voice it, and how to implement it, let others have a headache ... BMPs for the parade, aircraft for airshows, ships for exhibitions, shoes for "cold feet" ...
    The son came from the army 2 weeks ago. The form is full of shit. It gets wet instantly and dries for a very long time; VERY cold in the literal sense of the word, when it touches the body; does not breathe at all, you can cook in the heat; easily wipes and tears at the seams and along alive; Velcro stops working after a couple of months; even mosquitoes bite it at once !!! But "digital" ... for parades, their mother is so! Fucking MO, sweaty feet in their mouths!
    1. Airman
      Airman 23 December 2013 12: 01
      +6
      Quote: Cossack
      Super-duper-pro Rogozin said that ABSOLUTELY NEW equipment will be shown at the PARADE ... His job is to voice it, and how to implement it, let others have a headache ... BMPs for the parade, aircraft for airshows, ships for exhibitions, shoes for "cold feet" ...
      The son came from the army 2 weeks ago. The form is full of shit. It gets wet instantly and dries for a very long time; VERY cold in the literal sense of the word, when it touches the body; does not breathe at all, you can cook in the heat; easily wipes and tears at the seams and along alive; Velcro stops working after a couple of months; even mosquitoes bite it at once !!! But "digital" ... for parades, their mother is so! Fucking MO, sweaty feet in their mouths!


      My grandson 2 years ago returned from the army, served in Teykovo, in the Strategic Missile Forces. So my old field form is much better, I still go fishing and go for mushrooms in it.
      1. Cossack
        Cossack 23 December 2013 12: 16
        +4
        Our form, of course, burned out, lined up almost to whiteness, but did not spread to shreds ... My Panama has been serving me for how many years ... 2 years in the army that we just did not see wink and then for 23 years she has been fishing with me, in nature, in the mountains ... smile ... and everything does not give up ...
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 23 December 2013 12: 21
        +5
        Quote: Povshnik
        So my old field form is much better, I still go fishing and go for mushrooms in it.

        I have an Afghan woman, a "piece of wood" from the late 80s. I haven't seen anything better yet. Also I still go fishing in it.
        Almost faded, but holds on.
        1. svp67
          svp67 23 December 2013 12: 24
          +4
          Quote: Aleks tv
          I have an Afghan woman, a "piece of wood" from the late 80s. I haven't seen anything better yet. Also I still go fishing in it.

          Alexey and everyone hi HEY. An Afghan woman, yes, but I still have "kamki" that I received in the early 90s ... they still DO NOT FADE and look as if they were received two months ago ... After all, they knew how and could ... they are in Frunze ...
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 23 December 2013 12: 38
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            HEY. Afghan woman, yes, but I also have "kamki" that I received in the early 90s

            Greetings, Sergey.
            hi

            I no longer have Soviet "kamki" ...
            crying

            There is one jumpsuit, out of the new greens ... it's all about nothing.
            1. svp67
              svp67 23 December 2013 12: 54
              +5
              Quote: Aleks tv
              I no longer have Soviet "kamki" ...
              I still have them, because NORMAL, "Russian" ones in half a year and for the release, and after the "allies", it was a "shock"
              1. VAF
                VAF 23 December 2013 13: 58
                +2
                Quote: svp67
                after the "allies", it was "shock"


                Seryoga, what was one collar "worth" ... from the "Shanghai leopard" wassat crying
            2. VAF
              VAF 23 December 2013 13: 56
              +1
              Quote: Aleks tv
              There is one jumpsuit, out of the new greens ... it's all about nothing.


              The extreme camouflages have already gone normal, at least my 1999 "release" (lavsan) is still worn and worn, but the first ... there yes ... "rag on polystyrene"!
              Even summer yellow ones, which are "asbestos" (now the truth has long since become white from washing), and that is better! drinks
        2. VAF
          VAF 23 December 2013 13: 51
          +2
          Quote: Aleks tv
          I have an Afghan woman from the late 80s.


          Alexey, my mabuta and "hat". Issued in June 1982! I will not say that it is like new, because. operated along and .. across, but .. absolutely not ashamed to wear even on the way out!
          In the car I still drive in it and on the border .... I don’t go through the inspection soldier
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 23 December 2013 15: 01
            +1
            Quote: vaf
            but .. it’s absolutely not a shame to put on even an outlet!

            Strongly AGREE, Sergey!
            yes
            "Wood" of the 80s is almost white, but it looks like ... like a real FORM!
            It was sewn soundly, "holds" the figure to this day, the body breathes in summer. In the fall and spring, I put on warm underwear under it and shove into the river without a jacket, only I take my cloak with me from the morning fog on a fishing trip ...
            drinks

            But the overalls of the Soviet non-bank ...
            Wonderful black tank overalls with a yellow "diamond".
            Eheh ...
  12. Achtaba1970
    Achtaba1970 23 December 2013 11: 49
    +3
    Quote: Cossack
    Super-duper-pro Rogozin said that ABSOLUTELY NEW equipment will be shown at the PARADE ... His job is to voice it, and how to implement it, let others have a headache ... BMPs for the parade, aircraft for airshows, ships for exhibitions, shoes for "cold feet" ...
    The son came from the army 2 weeks ago. The form is complete. Instantly gets wet and dries for a very long time; VERY cold in the literal sense of the word, when he touches the body; does not breathe at all, you can cook in the heat; easily wipes and tears at the seams and along the living; Velcro stop working after a couple of months, even the mosquitoes bite it at once !!! But "digital" ... for parades, their mother is so! Fucking MO, sweaty feet in their mouths!

    And what is this "figure", the last or the penultimate?
    1. Cossack
      Cossack 23 December 2013 12: 01
      -1
      Quote: Achtuba1970
      And what is this "figure", the last or the penultimate?

      Judging by the quality, this figure is "ZERO" ...
      By the way, about the shoes ... The son somewhere got a brand new pair of boots and went on guard only in them ... In the govnobertsy only in the company, so that the jackals would not be beaten up ... The shoes of all the guys begin to creep after 2 months of service, and by the end of the term it just falls apart ...
      1. Moore
        Moore 23 December 2013 12: 28
        +4
        I am ashamed to ask: "jackals" - who are they? Such dog-like mammals or what bosses?
        1. Cossack
          Cossack 23 December 2013 18: 55
          +3
          We had OFFICERS in our service, those whose names and surnames I still remember and are grateful to them for a lot, and there were jackals with whom I wouldn’t sit on the same field ... Unfortunately there were much more second ones ... yes, jackals are dog-like bosses (rowing for themselves, cowardly, barking, tightening their tail in front of the jackal higher than the rank and most importantly DUPT ...)
          Those who instructed the minuses, apparently, recognized themselves or did not serve in the army ... And we called such "military" - JACKALS and nothing else! ...
      2. Vilor
        Vilor 23 December 2013 12: 45
        .
        Hear dear, you better call yourself a jackal.
        1. Megatonna
          Megatonna 23 December 2013 14: 39
          -3
          Shaka.al is you))) laughing
        2. Vilor
          Vilor 23 December 2013 17: 49
          0
          And the disadvantages for the fact that the 'Cossack' is right and the officers should be called jackals? Great, you won’t say anything.
  13. Megatonna
    Megatonna 23 December 2013 11: 51
    .
    as cool as the T-95, phaha laughing
  14. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 23 December 2013 11: 53
    +1
    "Kurganets" should be made for the army, for combat units, and not for parades and exhibitions. And even so, lately there are only promises and window dressing, but in fact we are siphoning out the last resources from technology designed back in Soviet times ...
  15. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    +1
    And when will Armata be shown? The 2015 promise to complete only OCD.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 23 December 2013 12: 45
      0
      Quote: Salavat EMERCOM
      And when will Armata be shown? The 2015 promise to complete only OCD.

      Here in the same parade and show if ... what
  16. mountain
    mountain 23 December 2013 12: 02
    +1
    And, I naively thought that at parades military equipment, drove along Krasnaya and to the front in the unit. Amazing news. And most importantly, significant.
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 23 December 2013 12: 34
      -6
      Quote: mountain
      I then naively thought that at parades there was military equipment, drove along Krasnaya and to the front in the unit. Amazing news. And most importantly, significant.


      Most likely to China, like scrap metal. You look and the money will appear on something new
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  17. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 23 December 2013 12: 38
    +1
    Quote: rpek32
    Quote: ivshubarin
    The statement is interesting, for the parade, but they are not needed in the army

    Reasonable remark by the way. What a show is this? It is not known how the car will show itself in the alleged conflict and it is already being advertised in the parade. Although, on the other hand, such orders for the defense industry are better than none at all.

    Of course, such orders are better than none. It is necessary to start and build up the power of the military-industrial complex with something. But the logic is still broken. First, these vehicles would have to pass full tests in the military with combat use, and then to the parade.
    1. Airman
      Airman 23 December 2013 12: 48
      -3
      Quote: x.andvlad

      Of course, such orders are better than none. It is necessary to start and build up the power of the military-industrial complex with something. But the logic is still broken. First, these vehicles would have to pass full tests in the military with combat use, and then to the parade.


      They will be connected by cables in the parade, if one gets up, then they will be pulled out on the cable or pushed out. JOKE.
      1. Airman
        Airman 23 December 2013 14: 44
        +1
        Quote: Povshnik


        They will be connected by cables in the parade, if one gets up, then they will be pulled out on the cable or pushed out. JOKE.


        Who participated in the parades, then knows that if there is equipment, then there are always tractors with cables at the ready, for the evacuation of stopped equipment.
  18. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 23 December 2013 12: 47
    +1
    Previously, parades talked about dignity and gave real-life examples and were proud of it!
    And now? ..... Probably beautiful, and maybe good! The main thing is that the promise programs are being implemented.
    It’s strange. There is no Serdyukov - but ideas live! The president is different, but the approaches are the same.
  19. kelevra
    kelevra 23 December 2013 13: 06
    0
    The picture is really, not very, like a concrete block with a tower and green! I hope in life it will be more impressive!
  20. Ser
    Ser 23 December 2013 13: 19
    0
    It would be interesting to look inside. Compare. BMP-2 from the inside out with my eyes closed I can determine. After all, there was a fur-water. UBMP in the GSVG, by the way, one of the first in the USSR Armed Forces. Mech-water. UBMP is both a gunner-operator and a BMP commander.
  21. TROG
    TROG 23 December 2013 13: 27
    +1
    We, as always, first showed up, and then if it works out in the troops.
  22. user1212
    user1212 23 December 2013 13: 27
    +1
    But what is generally wrong with showing at the parade promising models of equipment not accepted for service? GI, this device will not be able to go through the age of 15 anyway. It will pass state tests, will be adopted and will go to the troops. According to the plan in 2016. How will it actually look
  23. pawel57
    pawel57 23 December 2013 14: 18
    +3
    Rogozinsky trash like all his undertakings. He ruined the t80, btr90, gives out a bag of AK 47 hung with all sorts of things for a new machine, an incomprehensible BMPT, some obscure movements in the defense industry with the appointment of his friends as directors, Mistral and French in the creation of armored vehicles, complete failure to fulfill contracts and falling missiles and planes. And here is another ostentation. PR President Rogozin in order to maintain power and loot. I remember he led the Motherland party and in the elections he threw people who believed in him. Man does not take his place.
    1. alex86
      alex86 23 December 2013 18: 52
      0
      Quote: pawel57
      PR President Rogozin in order to maintain power and loot.

      But it is very similar.
      1. alex86
        alex86 23 December 2013 19: 36
        0
        Someone didn’t like it. And then this option: they substitute Rogozin, so that he doesn’t get to the presidency, and also to lose power and dough. That's better? And then I'm worried sad ...
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  24. Blad_21617
    Blad_21617 23 December 2013 14: 43
    +1
    AWESOME NEWS !!!! our defense industry now only works for the parade ??? let's give all the equipment just for the parade and leave 6 units each and what !!! and the rest we will sell everything or we will liquidate the money and the money in the "offshore" glory to Mutin
  25. hitech
    hitech 23 December 2013 14: 48
    0
    As in the anecdote, in the instructions "and then finalize with a file." I hope they will at least change their appearance, after the BMP-3, somehow not very much, in appearance of course.
  26. lexx2038
    lexx2038 23 December 2013 14: 49
    +2
    I thought combat vehicles should participate in the war, well, after a parade with words behind the scenes, there’s a b-machine in front of you such that there and then a bunch of all sorts of others were cheered, comrades, well, at least it used to be . Everything is changing in the world. After 10 years, maybe blue berets will be taken literally, God forbid of course. Where are we going? ...
  27. REDBLUE
    REDBLUE 23 December 2013 15: 03
    0
    For the parade, you can also make plywood from plywood. It is not better to put these funds into real technology. For example, the same submarine fleet or aviation. And then they will pass along the red square and, what then. Get up for a joke. And after about twenty years they will put on a pedestal and write that the car participated in the 2015 parade))). And not a little money will be spent on this. Apparently it became envious to others that the former Minister of Defense and the cottage and all that and they do not. We decided to quickly cut the dough.
  28. Ukrainaz
    Ukrainaz 23 December 2013 15: 14
    +1
    Guys, why did you whine like women: window dressing, but window dressing! If the samples did not show, then they would whine that they don’t do shit, but only saw the loot. You won't please! As for the samples of which are not yet in the army, in the USSR they showed at parades, for example, whose planes were also not yet in service. Also window dressing? Or was there no show in the USSR, but there is it only in our "damned" time ?!
  29. VADEL
    VADEL 23 December 2013 15: 15
    +2
    Judging by the tendency to increase the height and shapelessness of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, they will soon look SO:
  30. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 23 December 2013 15: 17
    +8
    Long did not want to comment on the news about the Parade ...

    But how to stay here ???
    Previously, the T-64 and T-80 were known by the adversaries from random photographs taken at the EXERCISES (!!!) of these tanks, which were already in the states of LINEAR (!!!) units.

    And now the plant is feverishly preparing for the release of the party for the Parade ???
    - A factory operation?
    - A pilot operation in the army?
    Again "dust" in your eyes? TO WHOM? We need "Kurgan" "Armata" for ... Parades?

    The equipment at the Parade is one that is in service, it is one at which it is then possible to go into battle. And not again in the factory workshops for completion ...

    Here she is: REAL technique in the REAL Parade 1941 of the year:
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 23 December 2013 15: 33
      +3
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Again "dust" in your eyes? TO WHOM?

      By the way, about "dust in the eyes":
      I dare to convey the following to urakryakalok:

      The T-72B3 supplies of 2013 of the year are armed with the old 2A46M gun, not the 2A46M-5 ...


      Remember how many screams in the messages were about deliveries of hundreds of modern vehicles to the troops ???
      They take the T-80 and instead deliver the T-72B3 with the old cannon ...

      Honestly, I don’t understand ...
      request request request
      1. clidon
        clidon 23 December 2013 18: 00
        0
        Why not understand? In general, it’s not the new T-80Bs that are being removed, they are replaced with the modernized T-72B3. Savings and unification.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 23 December 2013 21: 32
          +1
          Quote: clidon
          Why not understand? In general, it’s not the new T-80Bs that are being removed, they are replaced with the modernized T-72B3. Savings and unification.

          A tanker wouldn’t say that ... all the more so having heard that they were quietly continuing to install an old cannon.
          Nafik then had a general comment ... ???
          request
          I will not be rude, reluctance.
          1. alone
            alone 23 December 2013 21: 54
            0
            A tanker wouldn’t say that ... all the more so having heard that they were quietly continuing to install an old cannon.
            Nafik then had a general comment ... ???


            hi and the strangest thing is that the press services of some military districts call these T-72B3 tanks new rather than modernized, which is not at all understandable. The T-72 itself has already been adopted for 40 years, is the Press Service not aware of this?
          2. clidon
            clidon 23 December 2013 21: 58
            0
            Well, why are you not bothered by installing an old engine? Or the fact that the last generation of DZ is not set (I'm not talking about replacing armor, etc.). And why secretly? Is it on central television should announce?
            Budget modernization it is budget modernization. How much they spent (22 million rubles), they got so much ... Whether it is justified (in anticipation of the "Armata") or not, it's hard for me to say.
            Well, why exactly the T-72, and not the T-80, I think, and so it is clear. I’m not going to be rude either ....
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 23 December 2013 22: 16
              +1
              Quote: clidon
              Well, why are you not bothered by installing an old engine? Or the fact that the last generation of DZ is not set (I'm not talking about replacing armor, etc.). And why secretly?

              1. Regarding the T-72B3, I have already commented on an Article on this forum, read, there is enough information there.
              2. I say again - the old cannon is installed on the sly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is included in the list of modernization !!!!!!!!!!!!! All squeak about her !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              But 2A46M-5 is not put on all T-72Б3.

              Once again - if not in the "topic" - why comment ???
              1. clidon
                clidon 24 December 2013 15: 38
                0
                I read the article.
                1. Yes, thanks, I learned a little more, with something I agree with something not quite. But my opinion remains the same - they wanted to make an inexpensive upgrade, got an inexpensive upgrade.
                2. It is practically impossible to do it "on the sly" if we have contract papers. So this is how the documents for the parties were written.
      2. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 23 December 2013 19: 18
        +3
        Greetings to all!

        Aleksey, our brother was also "shod", the BTR-80 and 80A were called the 82nd, and they kicked the troops in the same way (they set the stabilizer well, although it became possible to smack on the move).
        Although I looked at the photo from the inside and spat for a long time (installation of electricians, etc.) negative


        In army trucks (specifically on KAMAZ) for the sake of non-ferrous metal "economy", plastic pipes on the brakes were stuck on the fuel lines too. negative

        So everything is natural. It seems that in the GABTU saboteurs from a probable enemy sat down and shit as they can. wassat
      3. Patton5
        Patton5 23 December 2013 19: 50
        -1
        All this is so ... but even in Soviet times there were few samples and parades at the parades !!!
        Previously, the T-64 and T-80 were known by the adversaries from random photographs taken at the EXERCISES (!!!) of these tanks, which were already in the states of LINEAR (!!!) units.
        The question is, when did Soviet citizens (civilians) learn about them?
        1. svp67
          svp67 24 December 2013 01: 06
          +2
          Quote: Patton5
          The question is, when did Soviet citizens (civilians) learn about them?

          There are several options:
          1. When they themselves served on them or in the army in general.
          2. On a booze, on the occasion of the "demobilization" of a relative or close friend ...
      4. svp67
        svp67 23 December 2013 21: 51
        +3
        Quote: Aleks tv
        Honestly, I don’t understand ...

        Would I take a look, Alex, out of the corner of my eye, at the documents for this modification, what is spelled out on the weapon? Who signed? That's when you can draw "interesting" conclusions ...
        There was a very interesting comment on your article, a person with whom, although I know in absentia, I trust his words in many ways
        Quote: Bad_gr
        The production of 2A82 cannons is in full swing at Plant No. 9 in Yekaterinburg.

        This "trunk" is for "Armata". There is no tank yet, but the "pipes" are being made, so there is already a groundwork. Why is it not used, for the modernization of the T72, it would have already been done and the unification of shells and the cannon would have been tested ... I'm afraid it’s time for the prosecutor’s office to take an interest.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 23 December 2013 22: 33
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Would I take a look, Alex, out of the corner of my eye, at the documents for this modification, what is spelled out on the weapon? Who signed? That's when you can draw "interesting" conclusions ...

          Sergei, it seems like it is written: "2A46M or 2A46M-5", he wrote it in the article.
          -But everyone screams in the internet and TV about 2A46M-5,
          -And in fact, the BASIC T-72Б3 weight goes with 2А46М ...

          Quote: svp67
          The production of 2A82 cannons is in full swing at Plant No. 9 in Yekaterinburg.

          Yes, Vladimir threw it off ...
          The trunk is gorgeous.
          I don’t understand either ...
          request
          1. svp67
            svp67 24 December 2013 00: 18
            +2
            Quote: Aleks tv
            "2А46М или 2А46М-5",

            Alex, you know very well that these are two big differences ...
            Smoothbore gun 2A46M-5, is a well-known modernized gun 2A46M (D-81TM). The design of the upgraded gun provides interchangeability with the 2A46M (2A46M-1) gun with the replacement of armor protection and attachment points for trunnion devices with the installation of additional balancing weights in tank plants. In addition to new shots, the design of the gun ensures the applicability of shots of all types and indexes from the 2A46M gun ammunition, including TUR. The upgraded 2A46M-5 gun has the following design differences from the 2A46M serial guns:
            • The barrel has a differentiated tolerance for varying wall thickness, in the muzzle
            delimitation not more than 0,6mm
            • barrel rigidity increased to kgf / cm 420,
            • 2А46М-5 gun barrels are interchangeable with 2А46М gun barrels;
            • trunk guides in prism cradles,
            • reduced cantilever of the barrel in the cradle and with what elongation of the neck of the cradle on the 160
            mm;
            • the rear guide from the basket of the cradle is transferred to a more rigid oboymennuyu part, made of surfacing bronze, this design eliminated the quick-detachable connection of the pipe with the breech;
            • additional backlash-picking devices were introduced in the neck of the bassinet (2pc.), In the pickup devices instead of stops there were used rollers, thus eliminating the effect of wear of the stops on the trunk preload to the guides of the cradle and reduced friction force in this joint by replacing sliding friction on rolling friction;
            • backlash-free trunnion assemblies with elastic rollers and a reverse wedge were applied, due to which the effect of backlash in trunnions on the accuracy of shooting was reduced;
            • to automatically account for barrel bend when firing on the muzzle of a pipe, a reflector fixture for a barrel bend metering device (CID) is provided.

            It turns out that someone deliberately worsens the combat capabilities of tanks that have been in service since 10 years ...
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 24 December 2013 00: 40
              +2
              Quote: svp67
              It turns out that someone deliberately worsens the combat capabilities of tanks that have been in service since 10 years ...

              Yes, even such thoughts are already coming ...

              There was talk that the "nine" had problems with the production of new barrels, but these are only rumors ...
              And that's all, there are no more sane justifications for the absence of 2A46M-5 NO.
              Can someone tell me if he knows?

              And then really thoughts are already about sabotage and betrayal.
              Although ... probably it’s just a matter of domestic plunder still being stools and macaroons.

              Eheh ... it just hit me very sickly ETA infa, I can’t leave the day.
              Damn, radishes ... hell to drive them into a snipe at the most ... "I don't want" with a slap in "I can't" ...
              It’s a pity that you can’t swear at the forum ... at least I put it that way.
              1. svp67
                svp67 24 December 2013 00: 52
                +2
                Quote: Aleks tv
                And then really thoughts are already about sabotage and betrayal.
                It seems that everything is much simpler and more terrible ... Someone just "cut the loot", and someone will be brought, God forbid, pay for it in blood ... I wonder what the Indians are betting?
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 24 December 2013 01: 41
                  0
                  Quote: svp67
                  It is interesting to the Indians that they put it?

                  request
                  I know the same as on the internet ...
                  Now it has become interesting.
    2. bask
      bask 23 December 2013 16: 39
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv
      Here it is: REAL technique

      Good evening. hi
      Leh, who was the head of state.
      Quote: Aleks tv
      REAL 1941 Parade:

      GREAT JOSEPH VISSARIONOVICH STALIN.

      Who is now: *********
      Here is the answer to all previous comments.
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      2. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 23 December 2013 19: 44
        +1
        Aleks tv
        Here it is: REAL technology at the REAL 1941 Parade of the year:


        But she is a real technique at the 2014 parade
      3. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 23 December 2013 21: 43
        +4
        Quote: bask
        GREAT JOSEPH VISSARIONOVICH STALIN.

        Andrei, I’ve never been too ardent a Stalinist, but I respected a man who took Russia with a plow and left a nuclear power, having won the Greatest War ...

        But the further into the modern "forest" ...
        - Boreas take without a mace,
        - Ka-52 flies without missiles,
        - T-72B3 quietly chasing with the old cannon ...

        The list is big ... Too big.

        Every time you start to think.........................
        request
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 23 December 2013 23: 28
          +2
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Every time you start to think

          So in an interview regarding the adoption of "Alexander Nevsky", the president said that some highly developed countries have only 4 strategists (hinting at France) and Russia will build as many as eight "Boreys".
          Really start to think.
        2. bask
          bask 23 December 2013 23: 32
          +2
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Russia with a plow and left a nuclear power, winning the Greatest War ...

          Here I am, first and foremost.

          And BMD4M (Rustam knows what he writes)
          BTR80 / 82.
          SU ,, Octopus-SD, and so on (I agree, the list is huge).
          Quote: Aleks tv
          each time you start to think ..

          After that, the mood for 000.
          What things do the bourgeois do, and what is going on with us.
          With our engineers and inventors.

          Solid Noodle on the ears.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 23 December 2013 23: 48
            +1
            Quote: bask
            With our engineers and inventors.

            Andrew. tell me pliz:
            And what is this case in the photo?
            repeat
            1. bask
              bask 24 December 2013 20: 37
              +1
              Quote: Aleks tv
              And what is this case in the photo?

              BMP ,, Puma ,, Lesch.
              But the bare body, without mounted armor and units.
              1. bask
                bask 25 December 2013 00: 26
                0
                BMP TH-495, produced 30 prototypes in the BMP / BTR version.
                BMP Puma similar to those of the BM-TH-495 TTX.
                But Puma is 30% more expensive, TH-495.
                TH-495 - created by Rheinmetall AG on the order of the Bundeswehr. Work on the creation of the BMP began in late 1994, the first prototype was assembled in 2000.
                In addition to BMP / BTR, an anti-tank, anti-tank, sanitary-evacuation, command and staff reconnaissance vehicle, as well as a light tank with a 105/120-mm cannon, will be placed on a general vehicle chassis.
                It was planned that the TH-495, in 2012, will replace the BMP Marder.
                TTH:
                Combat weight - 25,9 tons
                Crew 3
                Landing, people-7
                Case Length - 6,7 m
                Case Width - 2,8m
                Height 2,8m
                Armament: 30-mm gun Mauser MM30
                Engine type V-shaped
                10-cylinder diesel MTU-182-TE22
                Engine power-600 L / s
                Speed ​​on the highway is 74 cells / hour
                Cruising on the highway-500 cells.
                Tonnage as in Kurganets 25.
              2. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 25 December 2013 15: 00
                0
                Quote: bask
                BMP ,, cougar

                Got it.
                Their interesting location inside ...
                Thank you, Andrew.
          2. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 24 December 2013 18: 23
            +1
            Quote: bask
            With our engineers and inventors.

            Our engineers and inventors work for the benefit of Boeing,
            here in this building, which is above McDonols in Moscow, 787 are riveted.
  31. Ukrainaz
    Ukrainaz 23 December 2013 15: 21
    +1
    Quote: Ruswolf
    Serdyukov is not - and ideas live!

    If Taburetkin's ideas lived, then instead of "Kurganets" they would now discuss participation in the parade in 2015. "Centaurs" "made" in Russia ...
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 23 December 2013 19: 49
      0
      Quote: 1234
      If Taburetkin's ideas lived, then instead of "Kurganets" they would now discuss participation in the parade in 2015. "Centaurs" "made" in Russia ...


      And from where do you know about "Centaur? .... and about 2015 ?!"
      Aren't you a secret follower of the Great and Terrible Taburetkin ?!
      Sorry joke!

      "By the way, as in a fairy tale, Urfindzhus made his soldiers out of wood with an ax"
    2. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 23 December 2013 19: 49
      0
      Quote: 1234
      If Taburetkin's ideas lived, then instead of "Kurganets" they would now discuss participation in the parade in 2015. "Centaurs" "made" in Russia ...


      And from where do you know about "Centaur? .... and about 2015 ?!"
      Aren't you a secret follower of the Great and Terrible Taburetkin ?!
      Sorry joke!

      "By the way, as in a fairy tale, Urfindzhus made his soldiers out of wood with an ax"
  32. Ukrainaz
    Ukrainaz 23 December 2013 15: 27
    0
    Quote: Aleks tv
    The equipment in the Parade is the one that is in service, this is the one on which it is then possible to go into battle

    Alex TV, if only it would be shown, but wouldn’t you later moan that the equipment that is being shown is junk, still Soviet developments, but nothing new is being created?
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 23 December 2013 15: 41
      +4
      Quote: 1234
      but wouldn’t you later moan that the technique that is being shown is old stuff, still Soviet developments, but nothing new is being created?

      On, Sergey. This is absolutely accurate.
      And I ask you not to come up with my thoughts for me, I have never had such.

      "Moaning" for real is when RAW unfinished cars are supplied to the voyka.
      And the race that is taking place now - the Parade is the main thing (the same situation with the Kurgan and Armata): it clearly disrupts the normal technological work for the birth of these machines.

      Those. it’s not the trials and meticulous work that are important, but the experimental party is important for the Parade at any price...
      It’s like a sports company disrupting combat training due to the lack of fighters (a bit rude, but an exact example) ...
      1. bask
        bask 23 December 2013 17: 04
        +3
        Quote: Aleks tv
        - This is when RAW unfinished vehicles are delivered to the army.

        This is pure wrecking and sabotage.
        But, under the current regime, it is not a pity that nothing will change for the better.
        Total corruption and window dressing (with the construction of virtual armored vehicles).
        Although I wanted to write about the promising Russian infantry fighting vehicle.
        Since the days of the USSR, we have all the technologies for creating a 3rd-generation infantry fighting vehicle.
        The only thing that is not worked out is DBM.
        Crawler platform GM352M1E chassis for self-propelled air defense system Shell.
        One of the best in the world.
        Develop on its basis BMP / BTR, a modular platform for other purposes, it is possible in a short time.
        The main thing is a large 11 tonne group lift.
        1. bask
          bask 23 December 2013 17: 17
          +3
          Crawler chassis GM-569 METROVAGONMASH (SAM BUK).
          The chassis weight is 24 tons.
          11,5 tons payload.
          1. bask
            bask 23 December 2013 17: 43
            +3
            BWP-2000 (BWP stands for Bojowy Woz Piechoty - BMP) is a prototype Polish BMP developed in 1999.
            Based on the Soviet General Staff, GS-S.
            The Poles have already created a BMP in the year 199, based on our caterpillar chassis, with a front-mounted MTO.

      2. Patton5
        Patton5 23 December 2013 19: 57
        0
        I agree with you. But the right word, comparisons with Soviet times are not always appropriate hi
    2. REDBLUE
      REDBLUE 23 December 2013 16: 27
      +2
      So it is necessary from the beginning to break it in the troops. And then it’s joyful to scream that the parade is new equipment that is already in service. And let the enemy be scared
  33. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 23 December 2013 16: 09
    +3
    I hope that the party "for the parade" will go to the test immediately. More specimens tested - tests pass faster and the likelihood of detecting "childhood diseases" is higher.
    1. clidon
      clidon 23 December 2013 18: 02
      0
      The main thing is that it should not be sent for scrapping ...
  34. pv1005
    pv1005 23 December 2013 18: 46
    +1
    Quote: stock buildbat
    I hope that the party "for the parade" will go to the test immediately. More specimens tested - tests pass faster and the likelihood of detecting "childhood diseases" is higher.

    100 times it would be better if after the parade the whole party went into the troops to their regular places.
    In general, there has recently been a bad tendency to talk about Russian modern military equipment in the future tense and in anticipatory epithets. IN 20 ** YEAR THE DEVELOPMENT (TESTS, SMALL ISSUE) OF THE BEST (INABLE ANALOGUES) OF THE AUTOMATIC MACHINE (TANK, AIRCRAFT, SHIP ....................) WILL BEGIN.
  35. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 23 December 2013 19: 27
    +1
    I’ll say by note.
    We got promises and brags about the new armor already to the neck.
    First they would have done it, brought it "to mind", and then they would have boasted.
    I agree with everyone who thinks that military equipment for war is created in the first place, and parades are secondary. yes
  36. user1212
    user1212 23 December 2013 20: 18
    -1
    Adopt modernized junk (type T72) - if *** all polymers are available.
    Developing new technology - why they did not accept the development of 20 years ago
    Developed - why there is no prototype yet. 3 days have passed.
    They rolled out a sample - why not in the army.
    He began to enter the army - why not 100500 pieces a day smile
  37. voliador
    voliador 24 December 2013 00: 13
    0
    The angle of inclination of the lower frontal leaf of the body is not encouraging.
  38. Ermak
    Ermak 24 December 2013 11: 03
    +2
    Do not worry, the machines are already assembled and are being tested. They are taken to the landfill from the factory on trailers under a tarp. I saw it myself. Pretty healthy. In silhouette - similar to the picture. You can not confuse BMP-2 and BPM-3.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 24 December 2013 18: 54
      -2
      Congratulations on your title of Sir Treplo!
      1. Ermak
        Ermak 24 December 2013 20: 27
        +1
        I apologize, but probably you, "Mister", being in the Omsk Region, know more than those who pass by Kurganmashzavod several times a day? )
      2. Ermak
        Ermak 24 December 2013 20: 27
        0
        I apologize, but probably you, "Mister", being in the Omsk Region, know more than those who pass by Kurganmashzavod several times a day? )