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China is developing a missile-based ICBM similar to the Scalpel complex

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China is developing a missile-based ICBM similar to the Scalpel complex



Back in 2001, the American media hinted that China was developing a long-range missile in the rail-based version, mil.news.sina.com.cn. And now there is information about the possible test launch of the first complex already in 2014 year.

According to its purpose and technical performance, the new Chinese complex will meet the Russian intercontinental three-stage ballistic missile RS-22 (NATO code name - “Scalpel”) developed at the beginning of 80's by the cooperation of enterprises, the head of which was the design bureau Yuzhnoye under the direction of V.F. Utkin.

According to media reports, in 2013, China tested the DF-31 ICBM and its upgraded version DF-31A, the sea-based ICBM JL-2, and also performed the second launch of the new type of ICF DF-41 (see photo) with 11000-12000 flight range km (missile allegedly can be equipped with 10 nuclear warheads of individual guidance). China has never officially confirmed the existence of DF-41, but this did not prevent the foreign media from speculating on this topic.

In 2012, the British military weekly Jaynes announced that the DF-41 missiles could easily be installed in the launch shafts of outdated ICBMs of the DF-5 and DF-5A types. The NASA Research Center of the US National Aerospace Agency estimates that in the next 15 years, the number of warheads on land-based Chinese ICBMs may reach more than 100 units. But this is probably too low estimates. American military expert Richard Fisher believes that if each DF-41 launcher has a spare missile, the total number of warheads only on this type of ICBM can reach 120-140 units in the near future. The analyst also believes that China will build five SSBNs Type 096 with 12 SLBMs JL-2 each (three warheads on a rocket, a total of 180 warheads).

Russia is also developing its strategic missile forces. Given the growth in the power of the US missile defense system, this country began developing maneuvering nuclear warheads (according to US MARV terminology, maneuverable re-entry vehicle) for its ICBMs, a Chinese website reports.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 23 December 2013 08: 24
    +9
    No, it will not work for the Chinese to bring to mind. Copying is no longer anything. laughing
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 23 December 2013 08: 37
      +2
      citation-Back in 2001, the American media hinted that China was developing a long-range missile in the rail-based version, according to mil.news.sina.com.cn.
      To paraphrase a song beginning with the words everyone is running, running .....
      We all steal, steal, steal from everyone who is not lazy laughing
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      No, it will not work for the Chinese to bring to mind. Copying is no longer anything.

      Do you think so, Alexander, but I don’t think so ............ Give them plenty of copy yet ?!
      Look instantly, s-300 copied.
      Welcome hi Exactly one week before the New Year good Getting ready.
      1. Civil
        Civil 23 December 2013 09: 19
        +1
        Yuzhmash merged the existing documentation. Not surprising.
        1. geptilshik
          geptilshik 23 December 2013 09: 39
          +3
          how do you have respected such facts.
          1. spravochnik
            spravochnik 24 December 2013 01: 55
            +1
            Because it is already a tradition. Still all the "Bison" from Ukraine have not received, and have already launched their own. I hope it's clear why.
    2. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 23 December 2013 08: 44
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      No, it will not work for the Chinese to bring to mind. Copying is no longer anything.

      Everything will turn out, copy and it will work, just while you bring to mind the copy from the donor is the next generation, therefore this is a dead end
      The whole industry of China speaks about this completely, its only plus is the price, but as a rule it is not worth more, if at all it costs at least what they ask for - miracles do not happen
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 23 December 2013 10: 46
        +1
        Quote: Kyrgyz
        Everything will turn out, copy and will work,

        It is unlikely that something will happen exactly on the BZHRK. USA ALSO IN YEARS YEARS ATTEMPTED TO RECREATE ANALOGUE OF OUR BJRK. But it didn’t work out. And the fact that China masterfully copies is not a fact. WHAT WILL BE QUALITATIVELY HERE I AGREE. Papuans on the islands also made copies of aircraft in the years 60-70. but they did not fly.))))
        1. Hon
          Hon 23 December 2013 12: 36
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          Quote: Sirocco
          USA ALSO IN YEARS YEARS ATTEMPTED TO RECREATE ANALOGUE OF OUR BJRK. But it didn’t work out.

          But did the Americans personally report on the progress of the development to you, and how did it fail? Or maybe such a train rides around the USA, only they forgot to tell everyone about it ...
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 23 December 2013 13: 06
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            Quote: Hon
            But did the Americans personally report on the progress of the development to you, and how did it fail?

            I’ll look at how you look at the dock in the semi-milking sciences, prove the opposite. read a link to you, your opinion may change. http://stomaster.livejournal.com/1156547.html
            To carry out such a project, even in such a rich and technologically developed country as the United States, proved to be beyond the power.
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            2. rolik2
              23 December 2013 14: 09
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              Quote: Sirocco
              To carry out such a project, even in such a rich and technologically developed country as the United States, proved to be beyond the power.

              You think so?
              After the Americans deployed their Pershing missiles in Europe, such trains have lost all relevance for the United States.
              Why invest billions of dollars in the development of the BZHRK when it is easier and cheaper to deploy your missiles outside of your country and close to Russia?
            3. Hon
              Hon 23 December 2013 16: 21
              +1
              Quote: Sirocco
              I’ll look at how you look at the dock in the semi-milking sciences, prove the opposite. read a link to you, your opinion may change. http://stomaster.livejournal.com/1156547.html

              I'm not going to prove anything. I want to note that our BZHRK for a long time remained unknown, and there were no references to it. What is classified information you know? This is not something that was written on every fence, attributed in quotation marks "secret", this is something that is not reported, that information that is guarded, and for the dissemination of such information can even kill. And you mean the links.
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    3. Very old
      Very old 23 December 2013 08: 54
      +4
      It turns out
      In Chinese, but it’ll work out
      In any case, they will not sign a contract with the Yankees, they have no EBN
      Thank God! Our BZHRK returns
      1. AVV
        AVV 23 December 2013 11: 55
        0
        We don’t need to pull a bagpipe, but to make a new BZHRK to us for joy, the USA to death !!!
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    5. Hon
      Hon 23 December 2013 12: 41
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      No, it will not work for the Chinese to bring to mind. Copying is no longer anything.

      The Chinese have intercontinental ballistic missiles, and they bring them to mind themselves, and the satellites they launch themselves. China is not only copying, it is trying to adopt technology and has its own developments.
    6. alone
      alone 23 December 2013 19: 27
      +1
      China is developing a rail-based ICBM similar to the Scalpel


      "
      And now there is information about a possible test launch of the first complex in 2014.


      mmm, if they wanted to, then they’ll do it. As we see the actions of the Chinese coincide with the words.
    7. APASUS
      APASUS 23 December 2013 21: 44
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      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      No, it will not work for the Chinese to bring to mind. Copying is no longer anything.

      From what, everything is possible!
      After all, the Yuzhny design bureau now does not smear the walls with caviar as in the USSR, maybe they sold a few drawings in order to survive?
    8. VseDoFeNi
      VseDoFeNi 24 December 2013 07: 01
      0
      China has well-built industries built by foreigners. And they can’t copy a normally working engine for a fighter, for example.
  2. makarov
    makarov 23 December 2013 08: 34
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    No, it will not work for the Chinese to bring to mind. Copying is no longer anything. laughing

    SW Alexander.
    They now got used to visiting the BZHRK museum almost daily. People wonder - what the hell do they come in heaps every day?
  3. valokordin
    valokordin 23 December 2013 08: 34
    +9
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    No, it will not work for the Chinese to bring to mind. Copying is no longer anything. laughing

    The Chinese will bring everything to mind if there is a set task, we will soon live that we will have to buy high technologies from the heirs of Comrade Mao, if we have super technological "Razoruynano" and "Sukolkovo", which only cut the budget as
    effective managers.
  4. saag
    saag 23 December 2013 08: 41
    +2
    yes, the Chinese will make their armored train travel at a speed of 250 km / h
  5. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 23 December 2013 08: 41
    +1
    Probably bought a couple of trains as ferrous metal on them and restore. With the aircraft carrier, it turned out.
  6. old rocket man
    old rocket man 23 December 2013 08: 57
    +3
    Knowing that this is possible and having the general layout principles of the Chinese, I think they will bring this idea to practical implementation.
    It may turn out worse, but it will turn out
  7. Asgard
    Asgard 23 December 2013 09: 15
    +1
    They probably have the documentation, Ukraine (Yuzhnoye Design Bureau)) has been crushed, specialists from there have probably been invited, Railway tracks have been prepared, almost everything has been laid along the PRC with a reinforced R-75 rail, solid rocket easier to manufacture and operate ....

    I must say that the missiles are mine-based and at the railway complex are the most difficult to hit targets and they are almost guaranteed to have the possibility of an ANSWER to the enemy .... therefore The Americans in the START prescribed the explosions of the VOEVODA mine complexes or poured 8 meters of concrete and sawed the BZHRK with the hands of the current President of the Russian Federation (at the beginning of his career, the drunk Yeltsin START non-ratification and cunningly maneuvering like a muzhik, only under Vova the SHOCKETNOYYYARNYYYUYARNYY SHAKETNO was DESTROYED) ))
    Missiles "Voevoda" -Satan, had the ability to carry 30 warheads in maximum configuration, and in the standard they carried 10 maneuvering charges + false targets, and they GUARANTEED to break through the Opponent, and were vulnerable only at the start .... therefore, the US missile defense system is located directly at the borders of Russia, they stamp Aliberki with "Aegis" in hundreds, and on TOPOL-YARS with the ONLY Warhead charges were hung with yellow ribbons, fuses used to track the start and location of the Soil Complex ...
    I think the Chinese do NOT have such a "condom"Nobody really knows how many Their warheads are, everything is classified, there are huge mountainous areas, they don’t even let their own go there and they are building in tunnels, mine complexes ... The BZHRK has probably already been recreated as a train, but they haven’t launched such missiles yet Although they have means of destruction for SATELLITES, China is conveniently located — most of the trajectories pass over territories or near borders, that is, 1.5 hours and nothing can remain in space)))

    We wish good luck to the Chinese Comrades, all the same, the Nuclear Weapons on the railway foundation are all the GUARANTEES of PEACE, not war (as it sounds paradoxical))) Even simply with FACT ...
    1. Onyx
      Onyx 23 December 2013 11: 42
      0
      Quote: Asgard
      The Americans in the START prescribed the explosions of the VOEVODA mine complexes or poured 8 meters of concrete and sawed the BZHRK with the hands of the current President of the Russian Federation (at the beginning of his career, the drunk Yeltsin START non-ratification and cunningly maneuvering like a muzhik, only under Vova the SHOCKETNOYYYARNYYYUYARNYY SHAKETNO was DESTROYED) ))

      Let's start with the fact that "Vova" had to fulfill the agreements signed by your "cunning and peasant maneuvering Yeltsin". The nuclear shield has not gone anywhere and is one of the two most powerful on the planet.
      Quote: Asgard
      Missiles "Voevoda" -Satan, had the ability to carry 30 warheads in maximum configuration, and in the standard carried 10 maneuvering charges + false targets, and it was GUARANTEED to break through the enemy, and were vulnerable only at the start

      Yes, that’s true, but Voivod’s missiles haven’t gone anywhere and more than 50 pieces are still in service with the Strategic Missile Forces.
      Quote: Asgard
      and on the TOPOLA-YARS with the ONLY warheads they hung yellow ribbons with fuses that track the start and location of the Soil Complex ......

      Poplars, yes, they have one warhead, but Yars already have 3-4 warheads, moreover, maneuvering in the atmospheric section. And there are no safety ribbons that track the start and location of the PGRK, it’s bullshit.
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    3. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 23 December 2013 18: 20
      +1
      Quote: Asgard
      that is, 1.5 hours and nothing can remain in space)))

      an hour and a half may not be in time
  8. ed65b
    ed65b 23 December 2013 09: 30
    0
    The nose is held in the wind by the Chinas. recourse
  9. Archikah
    Archikah 23 December 2013 09: 30
    +2
    Damn Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev - a traitor to the country and the destroyer of the Stiletto. am
  10. Siberian19
    Siberian19 23 December 2013 09: 54
    0
    Quote: Archikah
    Damn Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev - a traitor to the country and the destroyer of the Stiletto. am

    how tired of this Chinese copy machine!
  11. ism_ek
    ism_ek 23 December 2013 09: 59
    -3
    Scalpel was abandoned because it was difficult to exploit. To transport back and forth 100 tons of toxic, chemically active and explosive fuel is very dangerous. Mobile systems must be solid fuel.
    Does it make sense to put Poplar on the rails? I think the car option is optimal. It is not necessary to be wise with railway transport.
    1. I think so
      I think so 23 December 2013 10: 41
      +1
      Just the automotive version is very easy to detect and easy to destroy and ROAD in operation. A railway option is difficult to detect and MUCH cheaper in operation. Only the enemy could destroy them, and now they can’t be restored without agitation ...
      1. Onyx
        Onyx 23 December 2013 11: 13
        0
        Quote: I think so
        Just the automotive version is very easy to detect and easy to destroy and ROAD in operation.

        You all know what is destroyed and how much it costs to operate. The Americans know only the combat patrol area of ​​Topol and Yars, which is huge in itself. In peacetime, 25% of soil complexes (about 50 (!) Launchers) are on duty outside basing places. And in the threatened period, all complexes will be dispersed. They move to field positions when there are no space reconnaissance satellites above them and camouflage means are used at field positions in all ranges (optical, infrared, radar). False divisions are applied, ruts are swept after driving on soft soils.
    2. Onyx
      Onyx 23 December 2013 10: 59
      +1
      Quote: ism_ek
      To transport back and forth 100 tons of toxic, chemically active and explosive fuel is very dangerous. Mobile systems must be solid fuel.

      The solid rocket RT-23 UTTX was on the Scalpel
    3. spravochnik
      spravochnik 24 December 2013 02: 04
      0
      Nonsense is complete. The rocket on the BZHRK is solid fuel.
  12. I think so
    I think so 23 December 2013 10: 45
    +3
    Well done Chinese developers and especially managers. They become really WORLDWOOD. In contrast to the brainless idiots who destroyed the USSR in China, the leaders are adequate. They intelligently select and arrange personnel and, in principle, do not allow idiots like Gorbachev, Yeltsin and the current ones to power.
  13. Altona
    Altona 23 December 2013 10: 55
    +3
    It seems that China is developing a full range of counteraction not only to its "regional friends", but wants to better grasp the US military gills ... Soviet developments are being quickly copied; anti-ship missiles are being successfully tested, which make US squadrons no more dangerous than thrown overboard cans ... Aviation of all types is growing, not only fighters, but also transporters, AWACS aircraft ... Space affairs are being settled ... Progress is already underway like an avalanche ... China has not asked for the lifting of the embargo on the supply of advanced weapons for three years, which means that the key technologies have been mined or created by themselves ...
  14. kelevra
    kelevra 23 December 2013 12: 49
    +1
    Our Soviet developments, apparently by someone’s betrayal or, as usual, by negligence, went to China! Until then, the USSR and subsequently Russia only had such developments!
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    2. rolik2
      23 December 2013 14: 22
      +1
      Quote: kelevra
      Our Soviet developments, apparently by someone’s betrayal or, as usual, by negligence, went to China!

      As already snotty commentators have gotten here, they see the machinations of foreign agents in everything.
      Tanks were created in England, but nobody accuses Russia of plagiarism?
      Quote: kelevra
      Until then, the USSR and subsequently Russia only had such developments!

      And you decided that development stopped there?
      Did it ever occur to you that having an ICBM capable of fitting into the dimensions of a wagon, the Chinese will not try to install it on railway transport?
      What is there in common with the Soviet BZHRK? Platform? Principles of work?
  15. hitech
    hitech 23 December 2013 13: 55
    0
    Everything to them to copy ...
  16. old rocket man
    old rocket man 23 December 2013 17: 27
    +1
    Accusations of copying are an empty concussion. Anyone who can copy can do it themselves. It’s stupid to push yourself if you can use someone else’s development. Everyone in the field of armaments is doing it, without exception.
  17. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 24 December 2013 08: 47
    0
    Yes, the Chinese are masters of tyrit everything, but if you remember the Americans also tried to create something similar, but something was missing ... Do not worry, they will create (copy) the "Scalpel", but it will turn out to be a cleaver, at best, a machete. "Crocodiles also fly, but as one warrant officer said, only nizenko.Only the Russians have a great talent: no matter what they build, but it always turns out a TANK (at best, AKM)! And now about the serious: the eternal memory of the GREAT WEAPON M. Kalashnikov Condolences to the family of the popularly beloved Izhevsk Lefty!