Empire of justice

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My name will be slandered, they will attribute to me many atrocities. World Zionism will strive with all its might to destroy our Union, so that Russia will never rise again. The edge of the struggle will be aimed at separating the outskirts from Russia. With particular force, nationalism will lift its head. There will be many pygmy leaders, traitors within their nations. In general, in the future development will go more difficult and even frantic ways, turns will be extremely steep. The point is that the East is especially agitated. There will be sharp contradictions with the West. And yet, no matter how the events unfold, but time will pass, and the eyes of new generations will be turned to the deeds and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us all due. They will build their future on our past.
J. Stalin


Joseph Stalin is loved to be called the “bloody dictator”, emphasizing that this fact negates all the achievements of the USSR in the field of economics, education, science and technology, the Great Victory, when “the Germans were filled up with corpses. However, despite the frantic information campaign on spitting the Soviet period stories Fatherland, the name of the iron leader is still popular in our society. And with respect to him are not only people whose worldview was formed during the years of the USSR, but also young people who did not find the great Red Empire, superpower number XXUMX, which for decades did not allow to plunge the planet into chaos.

As for the fact that Stalin was “bloody”, this is a moot point. The number of victims of repression is often repeatedly exaggerated, in particular, Solzhenitsyn agreed to 60-80 millions of victims. In addition, they forget that the number of “political” prisoners is many times lower than the number of people who have served sentences in criminal cases. It is impossible not to draw attention to the fact that if, say, Putin’s successor decides to establish order in the country and mobilize society to confront external and internal threats, repression cannot be avoided. Reprimands, reprimands and transfers from one position to another position cannot solve the problems like “Serdyukovism”. Social evil must be stopped in the most severe way, especially when there is a question about the survival of the people, civilization. With thieves and traitors can not stand on ceremony. Most of the people who suffered from repression under Stalin were guilty of that other crime, were representatives of the “fifth column” (Trotskyists-internationalists). And to exclude a certain percentage of hitting a certain number of innocent people under the millstones of repression, the modern law enforcement system cannot. So, it is considered that approximately every tenth prisoner in the world at present is an innocent victim. The percentage of inadequately planted deeds is even higher. People who have committed petty crimes that can be redeemed with socially useful works get serious terms, and the stolen billions get off with conditional ones.

The dictatorship (autocracy) is considered a vice by the Liberal Democrats. Although in the United States, which is considered the ideal and the beacon of democracy, the percentage of prisoners (repressed) per capita is higher than in any other country in the world. And the numerous and technological special services exercise so tight control over society as a whole and individual groups of people in particular, that it is time to talk about the initial stage of creating an “electronic concentration camp” in the States.

Therefore, the opinion of the liberals on the dictatorship is clearly subjective and should not be taken as true. In addition, there is such a social law: democracy is good only in peacetime, when nothing threatens society. Russia-Russia all its history lived in conditions of war and the threat of war. Therefore, autocracy-dictatorship for it is the best order, allowing to mobilize society to repel a threat, and not only survive in extremely adverse conditions, but also give the next generations the best starting conditions. The autocrat can unite society, and the united Russian people is invincible.

This law is well known to the ancients. You can recall the ancient Greek society. Greece from the invading Persians dictatorship saved Themistocles. The national assembly endowed Themistocles with virtually unlimited power and he was able to destroy the Persian fleet under Salamis. Attica was saved. Themistocles played a major role in the elevation of Athens over the other ancient Greek states, introducing the doctrine of sea domination.

A similar role was played by dictators in ancient Rome. Mark Furiy Camille saved Rome from the Gauls. The Roman Republic was on the verge of death. Rome was captured by the Gauls under the leadership of Chief Brenna. Camille collected the remnants of the army, troops in the allied cities and drove the Gauls. For expelling the Gauls, Camill received the title of "second founder of Rome." Thanks to the dictator Quintus Fabius Maxim, Rome survived the battle against Carthage. He applied a strategy of avoiding a decisive battle with the brilliant commander Hannibal and prevented the supply of the Carthaginian army, moving from one fortified camp to another in mountainous areas, where the Punian cavalry could not operate successfully. For such tactics he was nicknamed "Slower" (Cuncturer). The famous Lucius Cornelius Sulla and Guy Julius Caesar were dictators. The dictator’s authority was Mark Licinius Crassus.

We see the same picture when Joseph Stalin came to power. He came to power when a geopolitical catastrophe had just occurred - the Russian Empire was destroyed. The Marxist-Trotsky project of the world revolution choked, and could at its death finish off Soviet Russia. The USSR was in the ring of enemies. The only socialist country in the world! West and East (Japan) during the Civil War tried to divide Russia, but could not. However, they did not abandon their plans. The technological gap between advanced western countries and Russia has become threatening. But it was still half the trouble, the enemies of Russian civilization were inside the country. Trotskyists-internationalists did not disappear anywhere and occupied key posts in the USSR, tried to reorganize the armed forces (reformer Tukhachevsky), education and culture, removing from them all the “damned royal past”, including Pushkin and Suvorov, to reform traditional values, dazzling “the Soviet man, a slave without past and morality.

What could save Russia in such a situation? Deepening democracy and the slogan “enrich” (in fact, a return to capitalist relations)? Obviously not. "Freedom" and "democracy", the continuation of the policy of the NEP led to death. Only dictatorship could save Russian civilization, and even then it was not simple, but aimed at creating a new type of society, a society of the future, which would show the whole of humanity the way to the stars. It was such a dictatorship that Joseph Vissarionovich carried out.

What is he accused of? In cases must be judged. In that, in essence, he revived the lost Russian empire, he began to pursue a great-power policy, continuing the imperial traditions in Europe, in the Balkans, in the zone of straits, Iran, the Far East. Stalin returned the Baltic states to Russia, secured the second capital, Leningrad, pushing the border of Finland away from it, returned Western Belorussia and Western Ukraine, Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina, the Kuril Islands. He took revenge for the lost Russian-Japanese war 1904-1905. and World War I. This was recognized even by the most far-sighted former enemies of the Bolsheviks, the leaders of the Provisional Government and the White armies who fled to the West. That Stalin created the best system of education and education in the world, which allowed to bring up heroes, pilots, cosmonauts, combat commanders, engineers, designers, creators and creators, workers. The youth who ran to the front.

Stalin was able to weaken the “fifth column” (the Trotskyists) so much that they could not stab the back of the USSR during the attack of the Third Reich. Although the Nazis and their allies, for example, the Finns, before the start of the war hoped for mass uprisings, insurrections in the rear of the Red Army, after the start of the war. When modern liberals remember the repressed and shed tears on them, for some reason they forget about the terror that the Trotsky internationalists staged in Russia during the Civil War and after it. Did the officers, the Cossacks, the clergy and the intelligentsia in 1917-1920's. by order of Stalin destroyed? During the "great purge" many executioners answered for their crimes.

Stalin and his commissars created a powerful industry and agriculture. Due to this, the country was ready for war with practically the whole of Europe and won the Great Victory. Without industrialization and collectivization, village mechanization, Russia in the fight against the forces of a united and industrial Europe would come to an end. Most of the Russians were planning to destroy, and to turn the remnants into slaves. And after the Great Patriotic War? Centralized power made it possible in the shortest possible time to eliminate the consequences of the Hitler invasion and to build up the might of the national economy at a rapid pace. By 1948, the pre-war level of production was restored. In parallel with the restoration of destroyed, lost cities and villages in the USSR, they were able to very quickly create an atomic weapon, nuclear energy, rocket science, new reactive and strategic Aviation. By this, the US plans to turn the Soviet Union into a scorched desert with the help of massive nuclear strikes, if they refused to capitulate, were frustrated.

Thus, power concentrated in the same hands (dictatorship) is simply vital in some situations. Without it, it is impossible to fend off external and internal threats and make a qualitative leap into the future, overcoming the inertia and resistance of a part of the elite. Democracy is good in peacetime, when there are no serious enemies, and the economy is booming. Then you can endlessly argue, listen to all opinions, share in all kinds of political parties, movements and groups. But if society faces the threat of death, then democracy immediately becomes a factor that can push the people to the abyss. From the history of Russia, it suffices to recall the example of the Novgorod aristocratic and commercial republic and centralized, autocratic Moscow. Victory won Moscow. And even earlier, the “autocrat” Alexander Nevsky, who temporarily received emergency powers, saved Novgorod from death when the Germans had already captured Pskov and were ready to continue the offensive.

In addition, during Stalin's time, the question was not only about saving society and civilization from external and internal threats, but also about building a completely new socio-economic structure (the society of the “golden age”). In general, we are currently also facing the same challenges - the threat from the Western and Islamic projects (possibly the Chinese), the threat from internal enemies representing foreign projects and the past, and the need to make a breakthrough in the future. Russian civilization is facing the need to save itself and all of humanity, as there was a threat of complete victory of evil on the planet and the degradation of man to the level of a rational animal. Stalin was able to solve these problems and create a society of universal justice, a society of creation.

Therefore, accusing the Soviet leader of dictatorship and totalitarianism is stupid. Democracy in building a society of universal justice is meaningless. How many people, so many opinions. A democratic society may wish to build a just society, to express good thoughts and wishes. But due to the lack of unity and multipolarity, democracy is not capable of this. Such is its nature. Naturally, in such an environment, not the best in terms of their human qualities, but the most cruel, cunning, predators and opportunists, who are ready to go over their heads, change and deceive, rise to the top. Totalitarianism is a necessity, not a human whim. Not in vain, Genghis Khan, Ivan the Terrible and Stalin achieved impressive success in building up Eurasian empires. At the same time, they maintained democracy at the lower levels - the Zemstan reform of Ivan the Terrible, the Soviets - in the USSR. People's power is able to solve problems at the local level - improvement of roads, villages, assistance to the poor, etc.

At the same time, Joseph Stalin understood the role of the Russian people perfectly; it is enough to recall his “To the Russian people!” Toast in honor of the Russian people at the Kremlin’s 24 reception in May 1945 in honor of the commanders of the Red Army or these words spoken in the conversation with A.M. Kollontai in November 1939: “For the Russian people are a great people. The Russian people are good people. The Russian people have a clear mind. He was born to help other nations. The Russian people have great courage, especially in difficult times, in dangerous times. He is initiative. He has a persistent character. He is a dreamy people. He has a goal. Because it is harder than other nations. You can rely on it in any trouble. The Russian people are irresistible, inexhaustible. ”

We must not forget about the personality of Stalin. He worked on 12-16 hours, delved into all ideological, political, diplomatic, business and research work. His amazing performance and ability to quickly grasp the material hit people. I read a lot, so I was aware of the most diverse areas of human activity. The Soviet leader was modest in everyday life. Stalin selflessly served the motherland. His children and grandchildren did not inherit any wealth and privileges from the leader of a great power, they themselves earned their living. Stalin made a strong impression on people. Deprived of posturing, he bribed people with ease of communication. He could articulate his thoughts clearly, had an analytical mind, great erudition and a rare memory. He had a strong will and was usually calm and reasonable. A peculiarity of Joseph Stalin was the ability to single out the main link in a strategic setting.

Thanks to Stalin, we have a successful experience in building a society of creation, and not consumption, which prevails at the present time. People of the Stalin era served the Motherland, society, build and create. Material was not the main thing for them in life. The Stalinist USSR showed the whole of humanity the way to the future.
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  1. -158
    21 December 2013 08: 03
    Needless to say, but our losses were really terrible. And the question of who is to blame here is purely rhetorical ...
    1. +208
      21 December 2013 08: 10
      World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again.
      How he looked into the water ... It is not for nothing that he is hauled and trampled on. The great man was and created a great country! And his words "Cadres decide everything!" as it is now .. There are no cadres, mostly the elderly, and they are already dying, and there is no one to pass on the experience .. All "managers" want to be bawlers and tongues to earn money and teach the lives of others .. These are the things.
      1. +82
        21 December 2013 10: 12
        Yes, I recently learned how the Trotskyists were different (and the faithful Leninists) - they wanted a world revolution, a utopia, sacrificing Russia for it, and Stalin said, "We don't need a world revolution, but we need socialism in a single country" ...
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        2. +105
          21 December 2013 15: 34
          Blessed memory of I.V. Stalin
          1
          He is branded posthumously like a tyrant,
          And the statues hurriedly tumbled down
          Even in bronze he was terrible to enemies
          He was tried by the unrighteous court.
          2
          The civil war was quiet like a fire
          Closed mines and dead factories,
          The Entente has the power to strike
          And we need years to revive.
          3
          Enemies of the border try with a bayonet
          Petliurists, Poles and bandits,
          The Japanese, the Finns climb through,
          And mothers weep for the dead.
          4
          The party members are old, "comrades in the struggle",
          Trotsky’s merits are excessively praised
          Life require a luxurious self
          And they don’t want to hear about the people.
          5
          And there are no skins at all posts,
          And the scoundrels in power are swarming
          There are many wrong sentences,
          Do not keep track of and do not intervene.
          6
          Hidden enemies can do, hidden enemies,
          And in the Comintern, talkers talk
          That money of revolution is needed
          But the hard work of the people is despised.
          7
          Power is cruel, there are no rights to kindness
          And life alone is unfair
          How many labors and sacrifices are needed,
          So that life becomes free and beautiful.
          8
          We need bread, cheaper and faster
          Let’s erase the bourgeois bends,
          Ignorams destroy business and people
          Again, Stalin corrects excesses.
          9
          People raised the will,
          Work for the future of the kids
          And the country moved hard,
          Steps of the Stalinist shock five-year plans.
          10
          Give Norilsk! Magnitogorsk and Kuzbass!
          The country and the Arctic, and the sky stormed,
          Digging mines and felling a forest
          In the taiga of Siberia and in the mountains of the Urals.
          11
          A plane rumbles over the ancient taiga,
          In hummocks, ships break ice
          The flight was successful over the pole,
          Great things may not be easy, but visible.
          12
          Hurt hissing in the kitchens scoundrels,
          The heat of the Great Buildings condemning
          They don’t understand the rise of their native country,
          In his little philistine world, rotting.
          13
          There is copper and steel! Shells and armor!
          His weapons are forged in the country,
          A lot of work, not enough day
          He stays in his office for the night.
          14
          Events in the World are both disturbing and formidable.
          Faster factories, mine construction,
          The country can’t stand the big war,
          And the "small" wars rumble cannonade.
          15
          And the Finn doesn’t threaten Leningrad,
          And the samurai licks his wounds
          The Power rises, Stalin is not alone
          Western countries envy us.
          16
          The envy of the bourgeois is hostile
          Afraid of the wrath of working people
          Nazism decided to oppose
          The spread of Leninist ideas.
          17
          A terrible war rumbled
          Destiny of the Country - Unthinkable Craving,
          He carried her, at the front of the sons,
          Do not hide them, the father needs courage.
          18
          For the Motherland! For Stalin! Forward!
          Fighters walked on the battlefields.
          He was loved and respected by the people
          And our fathers were no more stupid.
          19
          There is the city of Stalingrad above the Volga,
          There is an unshakable stronghold
          Fascists hundreds of thousands lie there
          The world will forever remember this name.
          20
          We won, millions of victims,
          In ruins and factories and collective farms,
          And not enough people, no money
          And then the bombing of the atomic threat.
          21
          Inflated island prime minister
          The crusade calls us on a campaign,
          He would be happy to destroy the USSR,
          He hates Russia.
          22
          For a fair trial
          Nam Klio remembered
          It’s Stalin’s hand
          She protected us from the bombing.
          23
          A peaceful country is not defenseless,
          The steppe is reared with tamed uranium,
          The atomic problem is quickly solved,
          The task of Stalin was given to scientists.
          24
          I didn’t steal, I didn’t sell the country,
          "He was a tyrant," everyone repeats,
          The dishonest villain slandered him
          He died and does not protect himself.
          25
          He died, scoundrels triumph,
          Nobody will hinder to sell the country,
          Their power is more true than nuclear war
          It destroys a Great Power.
          ☼ 2005 Ugra.
          1. +7
            22 December 2013 18: 40
            Wonderful poems! Dear namesake
          2. +2
            24 December 2013 20: 43
            It’s just great everything is really a pity that young people are not interested in the truth about our history
        3. 0
          10 February 2015 18: 47
          All loyal Trotskyists and Leninists were natural Jews with radically Zionist views. Now their work is being continued by "our" Jewish liberals from the government and "opposition".
      2. +123
        21 December 2013 12: 35
        Stalin Joseph Vissarionovich - the greatest leader of the state, in which the collapsed and defeated hungry peasant Russia, for almost 10 years, has become one of the leading industrial powers in the world.
        State of the USSR under the leadership of Stalin I.V. saved the whole world from the fascist Nazi threat of capture and enslavement.
        Stalin I.V. according to Churchill, having accepted Russia with a plow he brought it to the advanced powers of the world, whose economy was able to create an atomic bomb.
        Well and very sensibly described the role of Stalin I.V. for Russia, writer and historian Elena Prudnikova in a series of books about Stalin and his associates. I especially like the "Technologies of the Impossible" books 1 and 2.
        Book 1 "Lenin and Stalin". Book 2 "Battle for Bread".
        In "Technology of the Impossible" E. Prudnikova logically proves the inevitability of Stalin's path for the historically successful outcome of Russia. Those who have not read and are intuitively grateful to Joseph Vissarionovich for keeping Russia for us, I advise you to read.
        Happy Birthday to everyone of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin!
        1. +15
          21 December 2013 14: 03
          Quote: vladimirZ
          Stalin Joseph Vissarionovich - the greatest leader of the state, in which the collapsed and defeated hungry peasant Russia, for almost 10 years, has become one of the leading industrial powers in the world.
          State of the USSR under the leadership of Stalin I.V. saved the whole world from the fascist Nazi threat of capture and enslavement.
          Stalin I.V. according to Churchill, having accepted Russia with a plow he brought it to the advanced powers of the world, whose economy was able to create an atomic bomb.
          Well and very sensibly described the role of Stalin I.V. for Russia, writer and historian Elena Prudnikova in a series of books about Stalin and his associates. I especially like the "Technologies of the Impossible" books 1 and 2.
          Book 1 "Lenin and Stalin". Book 2 "Battle for Bread".
          In "Technology of the Impossible" E. Prudnikova logically proves the inevitability of Stalin's path for the historically successful outcome of Russia. Those who have not read and are intuitively grateful to Joseph Vissarionovich for keeping Russia for us, I advise you to read.
          Happy Birthday to everyone of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin!

          Yes,Stalin is our "Caesar".And is it GDP !!!! Then history reminds me of the Byzantine scenario.
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          2. nickname 1 and 2
            +13
            21 December 2013 15: 05
            Quote: kvirit
            Yes, Stalin is our "Caesar". And is it GDP !!!! Then history reminds me of the Byzantine scenario.


            I could assure = YES! IS AN!
            and there are many who are already sure of this!

            but I’d better not say anything! Time will seat everyone on pedestals !! hi
        2. fumanchu
          -92
          21 December 2013 14: 14
          "under which the collapsed and defeated hungry peasant Russia, practically in 10 years entered the leading industrial powers of the world"

          It sounds beautiful. In fact, it was a quiet horror. Or was there no famine at 33?

          My grandfather wandered with his mother and sister through extinct villages to exchange a sewing machine for a piece of bread. The four younger ones had already died of starvation by that time.
          And how the legs and stomach swell from hunger, and how they ate grass, and they drove gophers. All for the good of the country ....
          1. +59
            21 December 2013 14: 30
            And you delved into why there was a famine? Because your beloved West refused to accept gold and had to pay with grain. It was a planned operation against Soviet Russia
            1. fumanchu
              -93
              21 December 2013 15: 13
              First of all, you said that this is my favorite west. Secondly, what difference does it make that this evil west has refused to accept. And in general, from which side did you drag him here at all? Here cho, alternative history forum? You probably believe in Santa Claus?

              The collectivization of agriculture and the repression that has begun has led to a sharp decline in productivity. Even Down understands that collective farms were the biggest mistake of the USSR.

              In the United States at that time, people were also starving to death. Therefore, they built hundreds of factories in the USSR in order to at least somehow survive. And not for grain but for gold.
              So all these are fairy tales of the Stalinists.
              1. +24
                21 December 2013 15: 22
                The "golden blockade" was introduced by the Entente countries. You have the flag of the Weimar Republic because you are a fan of the West
                1. fumanchu
                  -60
                  21 December 2013 15: 50
                  Yes, even brilliant. Who bought grain from Canada, but sold their own over the hill for foreign currency, which the thieves in ministries then sawed among themselves?
                  There was no grain for export and we ourselves lacked. Neither in 33 nor in 80.
                  Why did grain Ukraine suffer the most in 32-33, when it was always considered the most well-fed?
                  Because the last cow was taken to the collective farm, and the basis of the existence of the peasants was knocked out from under their feet. If left as is, then west and east would be enough.

                  Screw west is not far-sighted. And without their blockade would have happened. Because there was a drought in its place or something else, and in such situations, all the malignancy of the decisions taken is manifested.

                  And at the expense of my flag, so I live there. But no other.
                  1. +31
                    21 December 2013 16: 16
                    fumanchu
                    Not the last cow was taken, and the fists massively slaughtered the cattle, if only no one got it - by the way, by the way, they were completely different in their behavior from the time of 1 MV.
                    The German peasant handed over everything to the warring state at solid low prices, even for a chicken slaughtered by demand, responsibility followed. Our fist was rotting grain, just to not give it to the state - that is why in the Republic of Ingushetia, by 17, famine had begun in the cities, and the tsar was forced to introduce an extra surplus.
                    Regarding grain Ukraine - look at the statistics of famine in Ukraine in the 19th century - this is a seasonal disaster, and they died in the same way.
                    1. -43
                      21 December 2013 19: 24
                      Do not say nonsense, in the Republic of Ingushetia there was no famine and food surplus, which appeared precisely under the Bolsheviks, read memoirs and books about the conspiracies of generals. Bread in the Republic of Ingushetia was in abundance and excitement as on order after the king's departure to headquarters was organized the next day. They lured the king so that he could not repay the rebellion. Even Cherchel laughed when there was a period in the USSR that they bought bread, he said that if he had been told that Russia would buy bread he would not have believed, because RI was the first agricultural sector before the revolution. And you can understand the kulaks, why on earth should he give his whole life to parasites who don’t want to work and say nothing and say that they’re general.
                      1. +20
                        21 December 2013 19: 36
                        ANTON, what Lev Nikolaevich (le cont!) Cried out to all of Russia: HELP THE FAST
                      2. -39
                        21 December 2013 21: 02
                        And where there was no poverty, tell me at mercy? But where they really were starving, it was with the Bolsheviks. And in tsarist Russia, every hard worker became a prosperous peasant.
                      3. ekzorsist
                        +34
                        21 December 2013 22: 25
                        If only you went there, I would see how you "hard worker" would become prosperous ....
                        You cannot become prosperous now, and even more so then!
                        Only the USSR as a society of social equality made it possible - to study for free at any state university, to receive free medical care, social guarantees for pensioners, free housing - these are at least these basic principles.
                      4. -19
                        21 December 2013 22: 44
                        And you see how people achieved much by labor, and in the USSR they were also more equal than equal
                      5. +2
                        21 December 2013 22: 37
                        Quote: AntonR7
                        And where there was no poverty, tell me at mercy? But where they really were starving, it was with the Bolsheviks. And in tsarist Russia, every hard worker became a prosperous peasant.


                        the question is one! someone works, and someone goes to sell a sewing machine somewhere stolen (rather stolen, otherwise a person would try to work on it and feed), where to get bread to feed everyone, including those who don’t know what it’s intended sewing machine? because the fist first of all works for itself! ???
                      6. -11
                        21 December 2013 22: 43
                        and for whom should he work, and indeed we all work primarily for ourselves and our family. Is not it?
                      7. +3
                        21 December 2013 23: 57
                        you yourself do not notice that you are justifying the actions of the state in relation to the individual? or are you a supporter of the utopian idea that everyone should live and not care about their defense?
                      8. -8
                        22 December 2013 17: 25
                        I’m just saying that even in the tsarist time, like in any other, not everything was perfect, but if you wish, a person would slowly have the opportunity to achieve a normal life, which Stolypin wanted to do when he used to say, give Russia 20 years of peaceful life and you won’t recognize it . He tried to make it so that the peasants could become prosperous farmers, and the Bolsheviks, what? They drove people into collective farms. I did not say that there was a paradise under the king, I say that there were traditions and there was progress.
                      9. IIIOPOXA
                        0
                        27 December 2013 14: 15
                        STALIN IS NOT ON THEM
                      10. Egor.nic
                        0
                        23 December 2013 15: 42
                        You think to the extent of your depravity ...
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                      12. 11111mail.ru
                        +12
                        22 December 2013 06: 41
                        Quote: AntonR7
                        in tsarist Russia, every hard worker became a prosperous peasant.

                        Do not work in the field of our enlightenment! Newspaper and television stamps about paradise life in Tsarist Russia naked lie!
                        My great-grandfather Vasily Nikanorovich and his brother after the reforms of Alexander II had two tithes of land for 2 families (a little more than 2 hectares). Try to feed your family from one hectare even now (father, mother, wife, yourself and three or four children), pay taxes, dress, put on shoes, etc. With stove heating in winter, do not freeze due to the lack of firewood (the forest is private, you cannot cut it for free). There were no grain elevators. And there is much more from peasant life, which you don’t know from an early age ... Grandfather from the age of 14 "broke" a flagstone for buildings, a fathom of which was worth a penny. I quote: "The stone was in the ground at a depth of 3-4 arshins, and the top of the stone about half a meter is hard rocky soil, you can't take it without scrap. The wild stone was required for construction sites and for lime burning."
                        "Sweet life" was before the revolution ... So you should shake the noodles off your ears more regularly!
                      13. 0
                        25 December 2013 17: 59
                        Brains in humans is the reservoir of the mind. Go and look for them for yourself, stop ringing an empty skull here.
                      14. salem49
                        0
                        26 December 2013 08: 56
                        Just could not read or write. He lived in a shack with a thatched roof and earthen floor
                      15. +9
                        21 December 2013 19: 49
                        example, no one wants to pay taxes! where to get money to carry out industrialization, and feed those who will do it?
                      16. +23
                        21 December 2013 23: 23
                        AntonR7
                        So, literate, here is a quote and a link about the surplus-appraisal - for the gifted - the information search takes exactly a minute. Quote:

                        The first surplus was introduced in the Russian Empire on December 2, 1916, at the same time, the previously existing system of public procurement in the free market was preserved.
                        Due to the low supply of bread for state procurement and surplus apportionment, on March 25, 1917, the Provisional Government introduced a bread monopoly, which envisaged the transfer of the entire volume of produced bread minus the established consumption standards for personal and household needs.
                        The “Bread Monopoly” was confirmed by the authority of the Council of People's Commissars by Decree of May 9, 1918. Re-surplus was introduced by the Soviet government in early January 1919 under the critical conditions of civil war and devastation, as well as the food dictatorship that was in force on May 13, 1918. The surplus apportionment became part of a complex of measures known as the policy of "war communism." In the procurement campaign of the 1919-20 business year, the surplus spread also spread to potatoes and meat, and by the end of 1920 - to almost all agricultural products.

                        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B7%D0%B2%D1
                        %91%D1%80%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0

                        I did not search for a more serious source for you - laziness. and besides. you do not know elementalism.
                        Oh my God. How can I sometimes get illiterate people who still dare to say something about someone else's stupidity. I would have burned out of shame in your place.
                        In a good way, I recommend to finish my studies at school.
                      17. +5
                        22 December 2013 00: 25
                        smile (2)
                        Great answer to the talkers.
                      18. Current 72
                        +4
                        22 December 2013 00: 52
                        Oh, how soft and tactful, YOU answered this AntonP7! I would answer him more harshly.
                      19. +6
                        22 December 2013 01: 07
                        vladkavkaz
                        Current 72
                        Thank you, men ... but about softly and tactfully - to say in those words that I can’t think - moderators will beat :))) and do it right - The site should not be an expanded collection of Russian obscene, it has a slightly different purpose ...: ))))
                      20. +4
                        22 December 2013 10: 51
                        Quote: smile
                        moderators will beat :))) and do it right - The site should not be an expanded collection of Russian obscene, it has a slightly different purpose ... :))))


                        I welcome you terribly, and all everyone who bothers to read this koment!
                        I have a small question: that’s why the Pentagon is possible, but not. request this is some kind of injustice. after all, by and large Americans, these are the indigenous people of the continent of America, and all the rest are those, and so it’s clear ... request
                        So, if the PENTAGON sounds strong, then why the territory on which it is located is not called pen dos, but the inhabitants of this territory are pen dos? am laughing
                      21. +2
                        22 December 2013 14: 51
                        Spnsr
                        Hello to you, too.
                        You know. I can not answer your question ... this secret is great! :)))
                        I’m so used to calling them myself. :)))
                      22. air defense veteran
                        +1
                        25 December 2013 11: 08
                        The name "pentagon" reflects the FORM. The title "pen dos" - CONTENTS.
                      23. -2
                        22 December 2013 14: 58
                        Here is a little on this subject hi
                        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%81

                        Or here wassat
                        http://lurkmore.to/%D0%9F%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%8B
                      24. +1
                        22 December 2013 15: 02
                        Quote: smile
                        vladkavkaz
                        Current 72
                        Thank you, men ... but about softly and tactfully - to say in those words that I can’t think - moderators will beat :))) and do it right - The site should not be an expanded collection of Russian obscene, it has a slightly different purpose ...: ))))

                        Intellectual allows himself to speak with those words - with which intellectual hesitate to even think laughing
                      25. +3
                        22 December 2013 16: 33
                        And Us Rat
                        :))) Well, yes, at first the intellectual will allow himself to say, but then the intelligent moderators will kick his ass for this ... we already went through it ... :)))
                        And with a reference to the origin of the word you just struck me ... it turns out that this is a completely legal term! :)))

                        As a reciprocal courtesy, the Russian-speaking inhabitants of Lithuania call the locals the contemptuous word "labas". Lithuanians, of course, are offended ... Although what to be offended at - the translation of the word is "Good" and there are no other interpretations ... for example, "labas vakaras" - "good evening" ... :)))
                        Conclusion - they are not offended when they say insulting, but when they see that the speaker wants to offend ... :))) Here the Americans seem to have not complained about this word .... and the moderators bring him under the article ( rules) :))) Intelligents! :)))) They also say. that we are not 37 years old ... :)))) The guard, democracy is in danger! :)))
                      26. +2
                        22 December 2013 16: 53
                        Quote: smile
                        Sentry, democracy is in danger! :)))

                        Call the Animal Welfare Society laughing Hi Toothy drinks
                      27. 0
                        22 December 2013 17: 37
                        Ruslan67
                        I'm glad to see you! Yes, no Society for the Protection of Animals can save us, pigs, from the punishing sword of local moderators - it will itself rake and be mercilessly banned by the fuck! :)))
                      28. +3
                        22 December 2013 17: 40
                        Quote: smile
                        Yes, we piglets, from the punishing sword of local moderators

                        Well, you pigs may not what And us clawed feel bully
                      29. +1
                        22 December 2013 20: 40
                        Ruslan67
                        Kaneshena, it’s good for you, clawed, you live in the Red Book ... and we, Siri, as soon as we start to speak bad words, we turn from noble toothy into entih ... well, whom I said ... which I don’t sorry ... who go to the lard .... even a wolf howl! These, it seems, no one eats .... disdain :))))
                      30. +5
                        22 December 2013 17: 05
                        Hi!
                        Quote: smile
                        Here the Americans, it seems, have not yet complained about this word .... and the moderators because of it sum up the article (rules) :))) Intelligents! :)))) They also say. that we are not 37 years old ... :)))) The guard, democracy is in danger! :)))

                        I more than agree and even propose to introduce a new politically correct term: glavnyuk. Diminutively affectionate from the word Chief as they call themselves in all seriousness, Glavnyukia, glavnyuk, glavnyuk, glavnyukizm. The term America and American is not politically correct - the United States is by no means all of America and the so-called "Americans" are simply tourists from Europe and Africa who came on safarri to hunt local Americans (American Indians). Afromerikans once deserved sympathy, but that was a long time ago, now the Snow Maiden will soon be made a negro girl, the white color is not enough for them to wear shoe polish! request
                      31. +1
                        22 December 2013 17: 40
                        Ivan

                        Hi!
                        Well ... maybe your term "Glavnyuk", "Glavnyukia" - modernize - remove the letter "l" - it spoils everything there ..... :)))
                      32. +1
                        22 December 2013 18: 30
                        Quote: smile
                        remove the letter "l" - it spoils everything there ..... :)))

                        Nizya smile , it contains all the salt, without a letter they will know, and with it they will have suspicions and doubts and they will be forced to think - Why don’t they consider us the main thing? After all, we have such smart and McDonald's and we are spreading democracy? This is necessary to stimulate the thought process, you can’t put a cross on them (aspen), you need to give them one last chance before sending them to the side of sodom and homer.
                        PS -Volodya that vodka is over and again on you? I am offended!
                      33. +1
                        22 December 2013 20: 47
                        Ivan
                        :))) How did you guess?!!! :))) But not vodka, but cognac ... :))) One hell, no better than vodka ... :))) For "you" I confess, as I consume, respect increases and even, I'm not afraid of this word -tolerance :))) Seriously, the more I accepted, the more benevolent I am ... :))) The whims of Nature, in general .... :)))
                      34. +3
                        23 December 2013 05: 20
                        Quote: smile
                        I have increased consumption as I consume, and even, I’m not afraid of the word, tolerance :)))

                        Vova, when you get to the common European values ​​of whistles, I will call the veterinarians and they will stop your torment wassat
                      35. 0
                        24 December 2013 02: 25
                        Ruslan67
                        Go to the bathhouse! :)))) When (or rather, if) I get to universal values, then I, as a relatively honest person, will make myself a seppuku ... without any veterinarians ... :)))) And you will advise a lot - I will inform the same Society for the Protection of Animals at the same time that they don’t report meat to polar bears - they will squeeze you with their guardianship in the light - they’ve settled in the hole and shot themselves with the ice, cursing the National Geografik ... :)))))
                      36. -1
                        22 December 2013 20: 23
                        Quote: smile
                        Well ... maybe your term "Glavnyuk" ...

                        Rather, "Glavnist" and "Glavnistan" lol
                      37. +1
                        22 December 2013 20: 48
                        And Us Rat
                        Also an option!
                        Ivan, pay attention to the proposal - there is something in it. :)))
                      38. +2
                        22 December 2013 21: 36
                        Quote: smile
                        pay attention to the proposal - there is something in it. :)))

                        Volodya is really, the chief, the capacious word it contains both a worm, and he .. a writer, and an orange, that is, every chief is recognized in him if he has imagination, you can also use it as a synonym.
                        I feel a thrill! winked In my opinion, we are present at the birth of new words, concepts enriching the Russian language - we are co-authors !!! fellow Immediately give up copyright in favor of the Amen People! soldier
                      39. +4
                        22 December 2013 22: 21
                        Ivan.
                        :))) here, by collective efforts .... :))) Damn, and you noticed that the option, based on yours, was offered by comrade A Us Rat with the Jewish flag .... :)))) as in jokes. ... :)))) And what, after that, someone else will swear at them? :)))

                        Comrade, And Us, Come on, come on, a kind of Zionist, prick, what is your name, otherwise we’ll all your copyrights for the new term will be limped. :)))

                        You see, here is a real example, as we, as a whole crowd, ..... do not give a damn about nationalities, we can ... well, not only fooling around - I’m not afraid of this word - sculpting! :))) Now, they have sculpted a new curse ... :)))) How then can someone say that friendship of peoples is not good? :)))
                      40. -3
                        22 December 2013 23: 39
                        Quote: smile
                        otherwise we all your copyrights for the new term

                        I do not mind ideas, from Mossad still throw bully


                        You see, here’s a real example of how we, as a whole crowd, ...

                        Yes, what am I? So...

                      41. +3
                        22 December 2013 23: 39
                        Volodya!
                        I noticed, of course, and it's hard not to notice the flag, thanks to him, of course, but I can't relate exactly to this flag. The day before yesterday in this thread http://topwar.ru/37538-ukrainskiy-apokalipsis-russkaya-katastrofa.html# (watch the video if you haven't watched it) I learned that the "Moscow snipers" were with their flag and now the same special forces arrived in Kiev with a similar goal in 1917 was not without them. I read a book by a KGB officer before the collapse of the alliance of the special services, Israel in the first place, they intimidated their future fellow citizens so that they would repatriate (there are many goals, but one of the main ones among them is that there were many of them from the defense industry, you know how many carriers of secrets have sailed away) + other special services together they cooked and kindled all the nat. conflicts. In general there are many reasons and many are known to you. And so I agree with you, and this comrade does not look like a Zionist - long live the friendship of peoples, only it has yet to be born, and here, in VO, just parts of one people united by the Russian language and a common history, despite the fact that some think differently.
                        Partially your mood passed to me, I, too, like a little drink (my favorite red dry) also become kind!
                        By the way, as I stumbled upon their forum in which there was also a section of humor - it was read for a long time by anecdotal stories from life, masterfully and described in detail how they know how to feel the smell.
                        I’ll say one thing, as I can of course, it was in the first person, and I only in general terms: Germans arrived in the USSR somehow and started working with some equipment, and our workers worked nearby. The Germans, assuming that they were not understood, began to chat insolently that their army was passing by and raped all the women and maybe these Russian working children of those women and all that. And this time, one of the workers, understanding them, could not stand it - I went to the war in Berlin and after taking it for several years served as a commandant because I declare responsibly that I crossed the floor of Berlin..hah, because they themselves offered for food and therefore the probability that you are my ub..kami is very high! And all this in pure German flavored with selective abuse. Life immediately flew from the faces of the Germans and farther from them they did not hear a word, quickly finished and disappeared into the fog. And the main thing is that all stories are true. I would read it again if I find it.
                      42. -1
                        23 December 2013 00: 10
                        Quote: Ivan.
                        I learned that the "Moscow snipers" were with their flag and now the same special forces arrived in Kiev with a similar goal and in 1917 they could not do without them. I read a book by a KGB officer before the collapse of the secret service union

                        I won’t even try to argue and persuade, because I know that it’s useless, everyone believes that he wants to believe, or that it’s convenient to believe. I can only advise, if the topic is hooked - read everything and a lot, from all positionsand then try on my own to conclude based своих logical conclusions.
                        I can make a hint - look at the regularities of the correlation, the lower the level of education and intelligence in a certain environment, the higher the level of xenophobia and adherents of conspiracies there.
                        To begin with - I can offer to read this and think about it.
                        http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D
                        0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0
                      43. 0
                        23 December 2013 00: 45
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        I won’t even try to argue and persuade, because I know that it’s useless, everyone believes that he wants to believe, or that it’s convenient to believe.

                        Offend, I have long ceased to believe and just take note. This information is given by a person not empty and in a form worthy of attention in the video in the subject that you attached (did you watch it?). And therefore, until I find other evidence, this version will be working. If there are materials in Russian, I will study. I also respect pedia, but the trust in it is minuscule. I agree with the above, I think, to argue the last thing, if there is a suspicion that a person did not understand, but otherwise ....
                      44. 0
                        23 December 2013 02: 33
                        Quote: Ivan.
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        I won’t even try to argue and persuade, because I know that it’s useless, everyone believes that he wants to believe, or that it’s convenient to believe.

                        Offend, I have long ceased to believe and just take note. This information is given by a person not empty and in a form worthy of attention in the video in the subject that you attached (did you watch it?). And therefore, until I find other evidence, this version will be working. If there are materials in Russian, I will study. I also respect pedia, but the trust in it is minuscule. I agree with the above, I think, to argue the last thing, if there is a suspicion that a person did not understand, but otherwise ....

                        1. Unfortunately, it is not uncommon in our world to use our reputation for personal, personal or ideological interests, especially when submitting information that is obviously difficult to verify. So this is a highly controversial issue - about reliability.
                        2. According to the specifics of my service, I had a very big access to sensitive information, and I can confidently assert that Begin's directive on intelligence activities in the USSR (and today Russia) has not been canceled, and this directive prescribes non-interference in internal affairs, and is limited exclusively passive collection of information. Especially today, when Russia is viewed as a partner on many issues. (You would be surprised to know how close the interaction is on many issues). For example, the Mossad leaked to the FSB information about smuggling on the Arctic Sea so that Russia would not be involved in an international scandal, and the whole performance on the “seizure” of the ship was masterfully performed by the GRU special forces. the Americans were just furious - they needed this scandal, but they wiped out in the end.
                        3. Wicky can be trusted - I myself correct it wassat But seriously - there are signs of unverified information, it is difficult to miss them - these are requests for a source. And when viewing a source, you should pay attention to the level of its neutrality and political apathy (usually sources like Limonovtsy, Kavkaz Center, and simply political articles are simply not accepted as sources and are banned by moderators)
                        4 By the way - want some interesting news?
                        http://politobzor.net/show-9936-putin-dal-garantii-bezopasnosti-netaniyagu.html
                      45. 0
                        23 December 2013 03: 15
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        1. Unfortunately, it is not uncommon in our world to use our reputation for personal, personal or ideological interests, especially when submitting information that is obviously difficult to verify

                        And I would say - the rule is, if a person is extremely sincere, then he is far from knowing something substantial!
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        2. According to the specifics of my service, I had a rather big access to sensitive information

                        Accordingly, you should not expect absolute reliability from you. Regarding the special forces, it was announced that the reason for his work was not interference in internal affairs but the implementation of agreements with the current government, that is, it is alleged that they were hired or something like that. I advise you to watch all the same, about Israel a casual topic was noticed.
                        Could you answer if you read: Jacob Brafman-Kagal Book and if you read what is your opinion?
                      46. +3
                        23 December 2013 03: 17
                        Ivan

                        I confirm what has been said, And Us, in terms of mutually beneficial cooperation on the exchange of information with our intelligence services in Israel. There is such a thing. despite the fact that he is the closest US ally in the BV ... by the way, in terms of terrorism and criminality, we also do courtesies to the Americans ... carefully ... and they also take care with us ... And when we collect information from the Jewish special services, we they are very neat. Do not bury. In any case, personnel scouts only come here officially ... well, in any case, we have not caught them, unlike everyone else, for many many years ... :)))
                      47. +1
                        23 December 2013 03: 52
                        Quote: smile
                        In any case, personnel scouts only come here officially ... well, in any case, we have not caught them, unlike everyone else, for many many years ... :)))

                        I didn’t hear the rest, I heard that between our countries there really is almost peace and the surface and I don’t understand why, logically it should be different.
                      48. -2
                        23 December 2013 04: 46
                        The closest, but most independent - no matter how implausible this sounds, one of the reasons - why Obama is looking for a replacement - Israel is poorly controlled and does not make unilateral concessions. Yusa makes a good face with a bad game, they have to treat us on an equal footing - which in turn is jarring, they are not used to. But there is no choice - that’s why the Chinese are simply wandering around Israel, if only because more than a third of the technological capabilities of the us army stem from our laboratories and research centers, they are stuck, today they depend on us for more than we on them. For example, most Intel technologies have been developed with us - now think, in whose hands control over this half-billionth monster of the industry? And this is only a drop in the ocean.
                      49. +2
                        23 December 2013 03: 21
                        Quote: Ivan.
                        By the way - want some interesting news?

                        What do you think about this?
                        Letter from Alexei Trunov

                        Spelling and styling from the author.

                        Hello, Galina
                        I apologize in advance for mistakes because I have been living abroad for a long time, and if in Israel for exactly 15 years.
                        I myself am from Belgorod, I am 28 years old and recently I have been feeling like a cage in this country, everything will not suit me. It seems that everything is not so much that it should be that this .. world is going to hell or it's already there ... after watching your movies I thought at first that it was, but then the logic of the programmer (Strong mathematical logic where there is only yes or not and there is no place - maybe) said that this is correct and it really is so ...
                        I was able to deal with everything, but measured the film Fall of the West.
                        I do not want to be silent and close my eyes to all this. I want to actually manually cut them with my own hands to smite and erase these not only people, but probably in the richest Russian language there are no such words to describe these geeks ... Genders or how they are twisted ideots ... you can still call !!!!

                        I want to offer you my help in Israel. I think there is a lot that can be done.
                        To get the facts, for example ... I will do it with pleasure ... There are a lot of the same pedagogical guys and poofs who don’t have a council
                        many children are subjected to violence by rabbis or inc.stu in these families ... Every day in the Israeli newspapers there is mention of this about debauchery and pedophilia !!!!
                        I remember there was a case of a rabbi raping boys in yashiva and then he said that he had banished spirits. Horror !!!!

                        I really love Russia and the Russian people, I am proud that I know where my house is and not when I will not give this country an insult and I will cut everyone who tries to do it .. Yes, I took the oath of the Israeli army but from time to time I realized that there was no sense to defend a country that I am on friendly terms with the USA or other countries of the WEST .. I don’t want and I won’t and I refused to call up the Israel Defense Forces (At the moment I’m in reserve and we are always called up in case of war)

                        Something doesn’t hold me here already, I’m just studying here and will immediately go back despite the fact that it’s a lot economically easier ... Honestly, all this if my child at 12 years old will be taught how to draw. Read and say that SEX is just c.x. I myself have gone through all these lessons of secondary education ... But glory to God, I studied before 8.5 grade in Russia and they laid down a code of honor and respect for the teacher of the Russian school. All that you painted all this, I saw everything that you described happens and here .. If a girl complains that her parents are angry that she will put on a mini skirt at the age of 13, then
                        through
                        a couple of days there will be social workers .... all that you said is happening here in Israel. I don’t want to raise children among these people, I’ll just go to prison killing some kind of social worker after which then the girls find themselves at 18 in strip clubs and the guys are behind the bars

                        Lesha Trunov

                      50. +1
                        23 December 2013 04: 22
                        At 95% it’s exaggerated, and even the writer writes it shows signs .... mmm ... to put it mildly a clear imbalance, I would say - neurasthenia ... or clumsy provocation. I can’t take seriously those who don’t like it - they’re leaving (it’s quite easy to do from here) ... to Canada and Europe mostly calmly and without hysterical tears. Nothing shorter.
                      51. +4
                        23 December 2013 05: 16
                        Quote: And Us Rat
                        and the one who wrote - shows signs .... mmm ... to put it mildly a distinct imbalance,

                        Regarding the writer I have the same opinion, but about the problems .., I recently watched a film in which we are talking about juveniles, it seems and especially Russian-speaking children are being taken out of children for various reasons and parents do not even have the right to voice their child’s name immediately in prison and further this spirit. The film is Trap. Juvenile fascism. Basically, of course, other countries were discussed, but they say in Israel some of the most stringent laws in this area. And here in Russia and Ukraine there are already a lot of injured and hanged mothers.
                      52. 0
                        23 December 2013 06: 57
                        Exaggerated, we are talking about cases when the mother is not a citizen of the country, and the father is a citizen, of course, the judicial system protects its citizens in the first place during a divorce, and there have been dozens of such cases since the 90s, and if we compare it with similar European practice (especially in the Scandinavian countries) - then we will simply be lambs against their background. There really are a hundred such cases a year. Our social services are quite inert in this matter, they will twitch only through an application from one of the parents or through a complaint to the police about real, and not far-fetched violence (which, again, is rare). We have a surprisingly sane system compared to Europe and USA in this matter. We do not have orphanages, did you know about that? And there are at most a hundred homeless children all over the country, and even then - these are teenagers over 14 (due to the nuances of the law), usually working and renting housing, whom the social services have bothered to "domesticate" until the age of 14 - because they run away, and they are called homeless purely nominal, since they do not live with official guardians. They are simply visited by a social worker once a week, and helps in resolving issues that minors cannot legally resolve themselves.
                      53. 0
                        23 December 2013 03: 06
                        Ivan.
                        Ivan ... forced to speak seriously ... you are a great clever girl and I respect you very much ... you say the right thing ... but, damn it, sometimes it’s too much ... snipers with the Jewish flag are too much ... and we in Ukraine ... you can imagine being allowed to work, provide special cover, provide communication. provided the opportunity for autonomous control, or reassigned ours (which is generally nonsense) ... and most importantly - why? There is nowhere to put their own. and in the event of the light of the invited ... can you imagine what will happen? ....
                        I’m not saying, the hell is the Jews? What do they win? ... Yes, and what can a handful even superprofits, totally dependent on the receiving side, do if their goal is not a specific person, but banal provocations can do? ... yes, in the best case, they will be cleaned up anyway ... Jews are not insane, and Israel, although not friendly to us, will not do such stupid adventures with an unclear prospect ... and they will not hand over their people to someone else's discretion, especially in such scandalous affairs .... they even Americans do not really trust their people in such matters. even in joint operations ... it's a clear duck ... so to speak ... you're wrong.
                      54. +2
                        23 December 2013 03: 38
                        Quote: smile
                        Ivan ... forced to speak seriously

                        Volodya, relax, I agree with everything you said, however, I still don’t know whose snipers were and the version voiced in the video seemed to me worthy of attention, the video goes on for almost 2 hours and the topics are very interesting, it’s raised the topic of special forces in Ukraine closer to the end. Look and say what you think about it.
                      55. 0
                        23 December 2013 03: 51
                        Ivan
                        Well, I relaxed ... :))) I’ll look and answer, most likely the day after tomorrow, you understand - time .... If I am late, I’ll hit the PM.
                      56. +1
                        23 December 2013 04: 28
                        Snipers ...? Una-unso for example? Isn't it a version? Or are there few radical "well-wishers" in the post-Soviet space?
                      57. Guterjunge
                        +1
                        23 December 2013 16: 04
                        here it’s so-Glavnistan))) for example, Russia proposed to the chief glavnistan chief ....
                      58. +1
                        22 December 2013 17: 30
                        You are a boor, who knows, maybe I know you much more, this is the 1st, and secondly, how to know how true this data is. Why did it come up not so long ago? And then, if this is true, then we had a world war, and this measure could be forced, although sadly, if this is so another matter, the Bolsheviks drove the country into a civil war and stole the victory in the world war.
                      59. +2
                        22 December 2013 17: 57
                        The Bolsheviks are an excellent operation of the Western special services to disintegrate Russia, but having made a revolution they got out of the control of the "owners" and instead of collapsing they built the USSR superpower.
                      60. +2
                        22 December 2013 18: 44
                        Quote: ivshubarin
                        The Bolsheviks are an excellent operation of the Western special services to disintegrate Russia, but having made a revolution they got out of the control of the "owners" and instead of collapsing they built the USSR superpower.

                        The Bolsheviks are not homogeneous and therefore rather did not get out of control, but rather freed from internal enemies. I read once that in those days for not loving the small people they instantly put a gun on the back of his head. So here we must be grateful to Stalin - he knew all the revolutionary cuisine, but it still took years to do this.
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                      62. +2
                        22 December 2013 18: 12
                        AntonR7
                        Hello, weird! :)))

                        1. Yes, I’m a boor - it’s difficult to call me tolerant ... but you, unfortunate, called well-known information my personal stupidities - so you received it accordingly - and I regretted it you still ... :))) so that I should be grateful.

                        2. Regarding the information ... yeah, you start to pity when you start to wonder - why it came up not so long ago - this information has always been publicly available, always - before perestroika, what after ...
                        I found out about this at school (and I’m 71), and then the information was in bulk, just in the time of perestroika, when it was customary to hush up honest information - there were slobbering tales about white knights on Ur, whose memoirs are as authentic as memoirs of beaten Hitler generals (don’t worry, I re-read this stuff too) and total lies about the Soviet period of our history.

                        3. by the summer of 17, a civil war was already in full swing in the country, while a small one, including from the separatists — more than three thousand armed actions — and this was not the fault of the Bolsheviks — they were negligible and had a microscopic effect on the Empire. In the summer, the Kornilov rebellion.
                        And only then, when the country began to agonize, did the Bolsheviks come to power - almost bloodlessly ... they picked up power like a drunken woman under a fence ... and then they unleashed a civil war - not the Bolsheviks. and they were unleashed against them - Russia began to be torn into pieces by the Entente countries, having created national states, white knights, which these national states actually defended - that is, they contributed to the tearing away of lands from Russia, etc.

                        So, for reference, the Temporary in February destroyed the legitimate authority. immediately issued the number one order, which destroyed the army completely, dismissed the police completely. dissolved local self-government and did not call for a new election, transport and industry got up, the banking system went down ... famine began ... A small fur-bearing animal began to hover over Russia .... and only then the Bolsheviks came to power.

                        Okay, too lazy to tell you all this, survived like a newborn,
                        whom in diapers from the perestroika newspapers they raised - a little liberal nonsense in the head, the rest is a tabula race ...
                        If you don’t want to be so disgraceful as on this thread, you still have to moderate the aplomb and start reading serious monographs, and you’re really a shame too, you don’t know elementary ....

                        And about your statement, Quote: "who knows, maybe I know you much more" - of course, of course, I will not argue you are smarter, and you know more, and higher, and broader, and stronger, and in general, prettier!
                        I just want to ask: Do you really know all the letters? Maybe you’ll try to finish your studies at school? :))))
                      63. +2
                        22 December 2013 18: 29
                        Quote: smile
                        Yeah i'm boor

                        Greetings, fellow in "misfortune" laughing ...
                        You that with AntonR7, old acquaintances? And then "attached" him as a native ...
                        It is a pity, of course, that there is no consolidated view of society on the history of the country.
                        And this is a consequence of decades of efforts by the West and "our" "liberals" to discredit, albeit an ambiguous, but not shameful Soviet past.
                        What has been destroyed over the years has to be recreated bit by bit, rethinking and drawing conclusions ...

                        Who will we be without a past?
                      64. +1
                        22 December 2013 19: 25
                        Corsair
                        And you be healthy, boyar "!
                        To be honest, I do not see any misfortune. :))) Would you still hear me swearing obscenities ... :)))) One of my friends, a very cultured girl. a philologist ... and a rock-climber who treats bad words in the mouths of men, somehow, having accidentally heard, flattered me - she said that my swearing looks like a work of art, is not perceived as swearing and it is interesting to listen to it .... I'm already proud .... :))) here, even bragging about ...
                        Concerning the "Native" AntonR7 - I picked up this appeal in Kin-Dza-Dze ... all business ... :))) and in general, by and large, all the animals below us in the food chain are our relatives. :)))

                        And to what you wrote below - I can only join with a sigh ...
                      65. +3
                        22 December 2013 19: 53
                        Quote: smile
                        You should have heard me swearing ...

                        Unfortunately, I cannot boast of "literary abilities" (work under the ground imposed a strictly utilitarian function on non-normative vocabulary), but if necessary ...

                        Quote: smile
                        And to what you wrote below - I can only join with a sigh ...

                        You, yes, I, many others ... Slowly together we are sowing seeds of truth in society. Moreover, people are peering more and more carefully into the past, and this is a return to the roots. And so a tree - Russia will blossom!
                      66. +2
                        22 December 2013 18: 49
                        On the account of the "whites" I do not agree with you, they went under the slogan "United and indivisible Russia"
                      67. +2
                        22 December 2013 19: 45
                        ivshubarin
                        The White Knights put forward different slogans .. but let's see the dry residue ..

                        The Baltic states - in the physical destruction of local supporters, leaving in addition to the Germans, and then the Entente, the White Knights, Yudenich, Bulak-Bulakhovich, took an active part (take an interest in this man, by the way) ...
                        In Finland, the Red Army, who fought for abandonment as part of Russia, numbered 100 thousand bayonets — they were all pro-Russian Finns, nationalists supported by the whites — the same number .... with the help of whites, it was routed and completely destroyed by the Germans and nationalists ... and then Mannergey’s destroyed or seated in the concentration camps of all Russians, regardless of political preferences.

                        Further. Poland - when Poland invaded Russia with aggressive targets, the Entente, which created the army for the Poles, set us and Wrangel, who was 100 percent dependent on them in every sense, he hit us in the back with an external invasion, and eventually the Western Belarus and Western Ukraine ...
                        All the invaders who subjected the total robbery to everything that they reached, who were allowed in the forefront?
                        You know that the white knights even managed to sign an agreement on the lease of all of Turkestan to Britain for 99 years (the British guaranteed residents the rights similar to those of the Zulus in Transylvania - this is specifically indicated in the agreement). even though here the Bolsheviks had the strength to defend the territory of Russia ... but in many they didn’t succeed ... what to say, if at the beginning of the 18th year the Bolsheviks had about 120 thousand bayonets and sabers - like the Baltic ...
                        I won’t even continue further, think and read .... just don’t need emotions - look at which country was in charge of a particular white knight and everything will become clear ....
                        No wonder Denikin looked at the white movement, at his goal, those who command them, spat and emigrated .... not for nothing that almost half of the officer corps of the Republic of Ingushetia and half of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia eventually sided with the Bolsheviks ...
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                      69. -10
                        22 December 2013 19: 01
                        The civil war began after October. If you mean the fighting, not the unrest. You make yourself a wise guy))). Since 7 years I have been reading history, memoirs, etc. And besides, it’s not possible to know everything, and I repeat once again this fact, if this is true (surplus-appraisal) had taken place to be little known, this suggests that this phenomenon was rare, forced by the Bolsheviks to be of a mass nature. And all that we have separatism is disrespect for the Russians is a consequence of the policy of the Bolsheviks who divided the country into nat. featured. Many are surprised how thieves in law are in the Duma, and what do they want if the thief and murderer Stalin was still in power. When a person turns to insults, this suggests that he has no real arguments and is trying to fulfill himself through swearing. The upbringing of you leaves much to be desired. :) Russophobes and Stalin's lovers gathered on this site, I’m sorry do not be proud of the Russian heroes, praise the lesson robbing postal divisions :)) The Bolsheviks task succeeded, you killed the Russian in yourself.
                      70. +4
                        22 December 2013 20: 11
                        Quote: AntonR7
                        Many are surprised how thieves in law are in the Duma, and what do they want if the thief and murderer Stalin was still in power.

                        History is taught in different books. What did you teach? Distinguish grains with tares. The revolution was planned and the truth, as the destruction of Russia, but only thanks to Stalin this did not happen.
                      71. +1
                        22 December 2013 20: 14
                        AntonR7
                        Even to answer you seriously is too lazy .... I am not building up a wise guy - neither my God, where am I up to you krrrrassivogo .... :)))
                        It was serious fighting that began precisely then. when the separatists and the whites supervised by the Germans, the Entente began to tear Russia to pieces ... and the bad Bolsheviks fought back .... not the Bolsheviks started it all ...

                        Regarding the little-known phenomenon of the surplus appraisal to the Bolsheviks-this is only for the gifted ... By the way. when the decision on the surplus appraisal was made. the laws of the Empire were still inertia. so that they performed them zealously and totally ... until the Temporary ones finished off the State ... and perestroika and later liberal historians. when they blatantly lie about the communists, they can finally pretend. that they don’t know about anything like that - this is an ordinary intentional lie ... is it really not clear? :))) They still lie in exactly the same way ... :)))) and the same applies to your further powerless verbiage ... even laziness poking around in it ... :)))

                        The fact that you started reading history (by the way. Does it mean "to read history"?) At the age of 7. you probably hurt, your perception slowed down at the stage when you read the story of Kolobok's birth ... :))) By the way, a maturing young dog stops growing in case of premature mating .... maybe that's what happened to you? :)))

                        By the way, I admit and do not deny the mistakes of the Soviet government in national politics, but in comparison with its opponents. she looks almost holy ... :)))

                        And the last thing about my upbringing ... :)))) I am terribly upset that you rated him negatively ... can I go to the corner and cry bitterly there? :)))
                      72. +4
                        22 December 2013 21: 51
                        Quote: AntonR7
                        The task of the Bolsheviks was a success; you killed a Russian in yourself.

                        Such as smile there are millions in Russia and beyond, and I hope that I am also involved ...
                        You say the Bolsheviks killed "Russianness" ... but on the basis of which the Victory in the Second World War was won, the country was restored after military devastation ...
                        And even after the collapse of the USSR, Russia found the strength to revive. Would we be able to do this if we were not RUSSIAN, and not necessarily by birth ...
                      73. -9
                        22 December 2013 19: 35
                        Komunyaga’s brainwashed you. All that you wrote they say 10. All this lies it was the Bolsheviks who unleashed the war by carrying out a coup and dispersing the constituent assembly. White was helped if the Entente could call it that because the white remained faithful to their allied duty in the war against Germany, the white people were mainly honor people who dedicated their lives to serving the motherland, and not the Bolsheviks who devoted their lives to destabilizing the empire. And you in vain sprinkles with references)) you haven’t written anything new, but what you write is interpreted as beneficial for you to imagine.
                      74. +2
                        22 December 2013 20: 56
                        AntonR7
                        As my grandfather said - Tyuuuuuu ... :)))
                        This pathetic squeak is like a swan song of a rat under a boot - there is no time for argumentation, that’s why it says, sickly, about the most important thing - which boot is bad ... :))) And you have that. also no time for argumentation? :)))

                        Why did you give out this miserable set of liberal nonsense ... propaganda cliches of those who purposefully destroyed our country, regardless of our ideology?

                        You’d better, having mastered the history of Kolobok’s adventures, take up the Turnip - this is where the wonders of geopolitics are revealed ... :)))
                      75. -2
                        23 December 2013 02: 55
                        Quote: smile
                        AntonR7
                        As my grandfather said - Tyuuuuuu ... :)))
                        This pathetic squeak is like a rat swan song under a boot - there’s no time for argument ...

                        ... because a delicious crunch is about to sound am (sorry for bloodthirstiness - this is probably the "insidious Zionist" in me says wassat ) In general, in the past, you can dig aimlessly until the end of time, and argue until you lose your pulse. Let's get better about the future (preferably bright) fellow .... where "something will definitely shine" laughing
                      76. 0
                        23 December 2013 09: 06
                        Quote: AntonR7
                        White was helped if the Entente could call it that because white remained faithful to allied duty in the war against Germany
                        From your words it follows that the very insignificant assistance ("if I can call it that") of the Entente countries to the White movement was carried out exclusively under the influence of a feeling of gratitude to Russia for the fact that it had previously fought in alliance with these countries against Germany? And you know in history other examples of such disinterested, almost humanitarian intervention of the British and French? Whom have you read? It seems to me that even British scientists would not have thought of this (the citizens of GB would not have believed them in the first place).
                      77. -4
                        22 December 2013 17: 48
                        I recommend that you finish your studies and read memoirs, compare facts, and not believe everything that is written on the Internet.
                      78. +1
                        22 December 2013 19: 56
                        AntonR7
                        And I recommend that you read dry documents, intelligence reports, analytical notes, reports (that is, those documents for lying in which the authors at one time could get a cap) and monographs of serious historians, and not memories in the spirit of "we were trotters too." .. all of this can be found in paper form, but it is more difficult to search ... in electronic form it is easier to find. there are also a lot of archival documents. which you will never find in a sweet memoir.
                        And for the advice to finish my studies - thanks, I follow the slogan of Lenin -Learn, study and study again - a good slogan, is not it? :)))
                      79. -9
                        22 December 2013 20: 10
                        Yeah, I noticed you are following the advice of a bloody syphilitic. Well done)))
                        It is I who read serious historians, as well as compare memoirs with facts, just my opinion goes against yours.
                        I do not hesitate to repeat that there was enough bread read the memoirs of the gene. Voeikova. The wagons of the bread train went to Petrograd. But the trouble is that the conspirators, Duma generals and even members of the dynasty, decided to eliminate the tsar that they didn’t want in a difficult time and specially organized supply interruptions, by the way this was also done in the Great Fran. revolution. Nothing new as they say. You believe the Bolsheviks, who perverted the facts and created fables, because in 1905 they created provocations, they are masters at that. When they shot at the police from a crowd of people in order to fire back shots and imagine what a terrible regime. And in just a few hours, leaflets with the number of victims were distributed. You are a naive communist.
                      80. +2
                        22 December 2013 21: 09
                        AntonR7
                        Oh, come on ... you just don’t have any arguments and you don’t even have any basic knowledge about the surplus appraisal - for example, the emotions left from reading memoirs (if you really read it), you also don’t have a critical approach ...
                        By the way, if you knew the communist official history, you would understand that my opinion differs from it significantly ... but it still makes me treat them with respect, as the country's saviors.
                        And your current attempts to explain the goodness of the Temporary by the fact that they specifically ruined the country in order to throw the tsar down, does not leave a stone unturned from your statement that the Bolsheviks are to blame for everything ... a convincing request, in addition to history, teach the logic .. .. you also have trouble with her ... complete ... :)))

                        And yet, a miserable statement about syphiliticity, drops your opinion of you as a serious person below the baseboard ... this is cheap gossip spread by cheap ... populists, and it is designed for cheap ... Alas ...
                        That's it, you're tired of me. bye.


                        By the way, in spite of the bad Lenin, you obviously do not want to learn ... well, that’s okay .... but it’s interesting, but if Lenin said that washing is good for health and self-esteem ... you would stop washing, right? :)))
                      81. -7
                        23 December 2013 12: 47
                        There was no opinion about you even to drop nothing. I have given enough arguments, only you do not like them. I did not praise the temporary ones, because as I agree, they began to ruin the country, and the Bolsheviks continued. I advise you to read not only the official history, but also memoirs that you know helps to compare the opinions of different people who lived in that era and had access to power. And not some kind of Lenin who might have avenged their brother, by the way, although Order No. 1 was adopted at the time. government, but with the filing of workers 'and soldiers' deputies, which, in principle, is in the hands of the Bolsheviks, because only by breaking the army can one seize power. What do you know about the gene. Voeikov? Have you read his memoirs? gene. Drozdovsky heard about this? Here is a man who did not change his mind at first of the revolution and did everything to save his homeland, and your Bolsheviks dismissed the cut-out organ, seized power and concluded the shameful Brest peace, missed the victory, but how is it necessary to seize power while the army is in decline.
                      82. +2
                        22 December 2013 23: 04
                        Quote: AntonR7
                        bloody syphilitic.

                        Here for this minus slapped with all my heart.
                      83. -4
                        23 December 2013 12: 47
                        then you are the same as Lenin called for a civil fratricidal war.
                      84. 0
                        23 December 2013 22: 28
                        As you are right. I too. It is a pity there are no minuses for emergency cases.
                      85. Egor.nic
                        -3
                        23 December 2013 15: 45
                        Did you come up with this yourself or did the Communists contribute?
                      86. +1
                        25 December 2013 09: 30
                        Perhaps it was, but he remembered the words of his great-grandmother, who had already died in the 70s, almost 100 years old, in a clear mind. She often told me about her former life and said that under the tsar the peasants lived better than on collective farms. My father, a neighbor who fought for the Reds as a civilian, said that they would have known that they would have managed to strangle this Soviet power in the cradle with the collective farms. No wonder the Germans were initially greeted with bread and salt. Maybe all the same, it was not necessary to overthrow the tsar? And now we would have been more than 500 million, and not some crumbs, less than the Japanese, Brazilians, Indonesians! RI may not have been a perfect state, but developed at a frantic pace and if it were not for the conspiracy of the West and the fifth column, we would now be perhaps the most powerful power with access to the Balkans, Bosphorus and Dardanelles
                      87. Aleksandr2
                        0
                        31 January 2014 11: 15
                        Do not consider yourself to be who you really are not.
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                      89. loisop
                        -2
                        22 December 2013 20: 49
                        Quote: AntonR7
                        And you can understand fists why on earth he botrachit

                        Long time since I did not laugh! This is where there was such a thing, so that the fists - but suddenly hunks? What are these tales? Well, except in the heads of some modern MD?
                      90. -3
                        23 December 2013 12: 48
                        You would think with your head why the fist became such, you would laugh less. Who worked always lived in abundance. except for advice since there was a leveling.
                        because before you blame the authorities, you should think about what you really did to make your life better, but for those like you, robbing a loot is a sweet slogan.
                      91. fumanchu
                        0
                        26 December 2013 05: 41
                        I haven’t laughed like that for a long time either.
                        They plowed themselves, and then the commissar came and announced with his fists.

                        Yes, now with a well-fed bell tower it is easy to judge and pardon. But imagine if people come to you and even pull everything out of the refrigerator.
                      92. -2
                        22 December 2013 21: 19
                        Quote: AntonR7
                        fists can understand why on earth he botrachit life
                        who is this? is it a falcon that hired? right now I'll cry from life injustice to fists
                      93. +1
                        23 December 2013 12: 52
                        you should cry
                      94. Egor.nic
                        -3
                        23 December 2013 15: 39
                        You are right.
                        PS
                        It is useless to prove a donkey that he is a donkey when he considers himself a pacifier ...
                      95. -1
                        25 December 2013 17: 57
                        Sell ​​your gadgets, buy books and sign up for a library. The head should be brains and not dung. For reference: under the tsar’s king, famine overtook the country almost every four years.
                      96. Vidok
                        0
                        26 December 2013 16: 04
                        Quote: AntonR7
                        And you can understand fists why on earth he botrachit

                        And where did you see the fist taking the whole life? A farm laborer is a wage laborer. To become prosperous, the peasant had to work hard, but those who used the labor of wage workers, that is, laborers, were called fists.
                    2. Nurlangali
                      +1
                      23 December 2013 10: 36
                      As you explain, then the famine in Kazakhstan in the thirties, when up to 3 million people died according to various estimates. I personally heard then from still living eyewitnesses that people in uniforms simply drove cattle and shot from machine guns by dropping or simply raking bulldozers into dug ditches, holes. Explain to me nonsense, with such a purpose it was done !! What is this, genocide ?! A targeted famine ?! Please follow ATTENTION! a chain of events, selected according to various pretexts: Ukraine - bread, Volga region - cattle, bread, Kazakhstan - cattle. That is, on what the economy is supported, literally, that was the main, and in many regions of Kazakhstan, the only source of nutrition for the common people
                    3. Nurlangali
                      0
                      23 December 2013 10: 36
                      As you explain, then the famine in Kazakhstan in the thirties, when up to 3 million people died according to various estimates. I personally heard then from still living eyewitnesses that people in uniforms simply drove cattle and shot from machine guns by dropping or simply raking bulldozers into dug ditches, holes. Explain to me nonsense, with such a purpose it was done !! What is this, genocide ?! A targeted famine ?! Please follow ATTENTION! a chain of events, selected according to various pretexts: Ukraine - bread, Volga region - cattle, bread, Kazakhstan - cattle. That is, on what the economy is supported, literally, that was the main, and in many regions of Kazakhstan, the only source of nutrition for the common people
                  2. +13
                    21 December 2013 21: 26
                    noticeably from Germany to blame STALIN is not a question at all!
                  3. ekzorsist
                    0
                    21 December 2013 22: 19
                    Yes, you are very hot, very hot ...
                    "... But neither of which alcoholics are our profile ... We will cure you!"
                  4. -1
                    22 December 2013 21: 15
                    Quote: fumanchu
                    And at the expense of my flag, so I live there. But no other.
                    fascist
                    sang along!
                    1. fumanchu
                      0
                      26 December 2013 05: 45
                      . Or if it doesn’t pass, sucker. Well, in the end, which is the truth of UR * D.
                  5. +2
                    23 December 2013 18: 54
                    And what is happening in Ukraine now, too, Stalin is to blame?
                  6. 0
                    24 December 2013 20: 31
                    So who now does not allow Ukraine and other republics to live richly and happily? Commune is gone and the mind is gone?
                  7. 0
                    25 December 2013 17: 55
                    Here live, and yelp there. And here we have enough morons here without you.
                2. Egor.nic
                  -6
                  23 December 2013 15: 34
                  In terms of the golden blockade - it is not necessary to wishful thinking.
                  On the part of the flag - the truth is she is always true under whose flag she was not.
                  But Bolshevism and lies are inseparable concepts, which is confirmed by history.
                  1. 0
                    25 December 2013 19: 32
                    Your story. The thought must be completed, and not stopped halfway.
              2. +26
                21 December 2013 16: 07
                fumanchu
                There would be no collectivization — in peasant Russia there would be no free workers, and agriculture would develop in an extensive way. without the use of modern technology and fertilizers.
                If there were no workers, we would not have built an industrial power in a decade.
                If there was no industrial power, the Nazis would destroy us ... almost without exception ... the whole Planet would be repainted brown ..... and you would hardly be allowed to write comments on the Nazi military review in a slave corral.

                The famine in the thirties, by the way, was largely due to seasonal crop failure. such famine in various regions of the Empire happened regularly and without any collective farms. As soon as it turned out that we had a seasonal crop failure, grain exports practically stopped.

                And colleague ivshubarin quite rightly accused you of "love for the West" - for that simple reason. that the Holodomor and the term itself were invented in the depths of the propaganda machine of the West with the active participation of Bandera war criminals who went over to the service from Hitler to the Americans.

                Hunger survivors earned gold at monstrous rates. But this happened later, when our famine was already over ... By the way, RI imported even braids for peasants ... for currency ...
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                2. loisop
                  +3
                  22 December 2013 21: 46
                  By the way, I came across a report of some American (!) Professor who was just then in the Ukrainian SSR. He sets out interesting things. There are several reasons, as usual.

                  Misunderstandings:
                  1. There was an incomprehensible mass (!) Swelling "from hunger". In Dachau, Buchenwald, in besieged Leningrad, finally, and so on - for some reason they did not swell, but turned into skeletons. Strange like that, isn't it?
                  2. The peak of mortality occurred in June, when in Ukraine there is vegetable food all around - at least "eat your ass". But no - they are dying of hunger. Unclear..
                  3. In villages where there is more "grazing" in the form of household plots and other food sources than in cities, the mortality rate is HIGHER. In cities where there is nowhere to get food, except how to buy - mortality is lower. It was also unclean like that .. and there was little swelling in the cities, mainly dystrophy was observed.
                  4. When the fact of death was made out - in the huts of swollen reposed almost always grain stocks were found, sometimes in decent quantities. The opposite is strange - there is food, but they died of starvation ..

                  The facts:
                  1. There was an epidemic in grain crops (not only in the Ukrainian SSR, but also in Poland and adjacent regions, which is reflected in the documents both here and in "them").
                  2. Own economy, unlike collective farms and other organizations, CANNOT comply with the full technological cycle of grain processing, especially when there is a surplus appraisal.
                  3. Many facts of the theft of grain were revealed. And caches.

                  Conclusions:
                  1. Scum, stole grain.
                  2. In order not to burn off (and not to sit down or even stand up to the wall) - they organized a grain crypt (pit in the ground).
                  3. Since the grain is stolen, it was NOT sieved / screened, etc. before "burial". Did not follow the technology, if it is shorter.
                  4. And then there is the infection of grain (plants then - they also get sick)
                  5. In the crypt, the infected grain was quail and turned into poison.
                  6. By spring scum began to open their caches. Began to mass poison.
                  7. Oppa, surprise! Ask any doctor what will happen if you get rotten meat? The belly - WILL REPUME !!
                  8. Cereals came to the cities from elevators, where the technology was respected (well, more or less, but in every way better than in an earthen pit). And no one massively swelled.
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                  2. loisop
                    0
                    22 December 2013 22: 13
                    In the information of the information sector of the organizational department of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) U dated February 9, 1933, data are provided that
                    - in the Vasilkovsky Village Council (Kharkiv Oblast), the sole peasant Yakovets Vlas, “having in use 4,45 hectares of sown area, did not pass a single kilogram of bread, but abandoned the children who are now in poverty”. The grain procurement team found on his farm 19 centners of grain buried in a pit.
                    - In the Donetsk region, in the village of Alekseyevka, the fist Nesheret Trokhim died of starvation, but soon he found a hole with corn grain, most of which died.
                    - In the village of Makartyanino, Selena Streltsov, the sole individual, who claimed to be starving, found 8 pounds of rye and 3,5 pounds of corn.
                    - At the collective farmer Yurchenkova, who complained that she was swelling from hunger, 8 pounds of rye were found.
                    - The peasant P. Vasilievsky village council (Kharkov region), without losing a single kilogram, hid the bread in the pits. There it was discovered, about 2 tons ...



                    And besides:
                    According to M.M. Khataevich at the XVII Congress of the CPSU (b), in the Ukrainian village 85-90% of the peasant population stole. This made it impossible to timely assess the real situation in the countryside in the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) U and the Central Committee of the CPSU (b). It was the theft of peasants from collective farms that forced the government to take tough measures.
                    To stop the plundering of collective farm grain, on August 7, 1932, the Law on the Protection of Socialist Property was adopted, which provided for very harsh punishments for theft or concealment of grain, up to and including confiscation of property and the death penalty. People's jokers called him "the law of five ears".
                    1. Mature naturalist
                      0
                      22 December 2013 22: 33
                      Quote: loisop
                      - In the Donetsk region, in the village of Alekseyevka, the fist Nesheret Trokhim died of starvation, but soon he found a hole with corn grain, most of which died.

                      And here is the testimony of the defendant:
                      "Citizen judge, I was sitting on the porch and peeling an orange with a dagger. The victim slipped on the orange peel and fell right on the dagger. And so eight times in a row ..."

                      He died of hunger, but the corn rotted - I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!
                      From hunger I ate a cat, a rat, a neighbor - I BELIEVE.
                      1. loisop
                        0
                        22 December 2013 22: 54
                        Why such strange conclusions? Can you read?
                        We look carefully:

                        1. Stole (!) The grain. Infected. Hid without processing.
                        2. Wintered on stocks (by spring it was all over)
                        3. In the spring I opened the cache - I HAVE GOTTED FOOD, which is why I died. (if you don't go to the hospital, you will have to confess to theft). Before his death he swelled up from poisoning - "swollen".

                        He just died - NOT from hunger, but from poisoning.

                        (by the way - how do you explain that in besieged Leningrad there were no completely swollen? And in Buchenwald. And in Dachau. And there was ANYWHERE ANYWHERE. And that’s why there was something here?)
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                  3. -1
                    22 December 2013 23: 05
                    Quote: loisop
                    4. And then there is the infection of grain (plants then - they also get sick)

                    You do not need to invent any infection, with poor storage, the grain begins to sprout and it can no longer be eaten, as they say - take away the prepared one.
                3. Nurlangali
                  -6
                  23 December 2013 16: 41
                  Quote: smile
                  The famine in the thirties, by the way, was largely due to seasonal crop failure. such famine in various regions of the Empire happened regularly and without any collective farms. As soon as it turned out that we had a seasonal crop failure, grain exports practically stopped.

                  In Ukraine, things are called by their names. They officially talk about HUNGER. That is, people are consciously STILL starved, killed.
                  We still bashfully write about hunger. As if it were some kind of natural disaster, not provoked and not controlled by the authorities. Something like jute.

                  The fact that famine covered exclusively the agricultural belt, providing the whole country with food, speaks of the artificiality of this phenomenon. There was no famine in industrial areas, in cities, in Moscow and Leningrad. Not even in the far north. The famine was ORGANIZED in granaries - Ukraine, Volga region and Kazakhstan. Purposefully killed the rural population - farmers and pastoralists. At the same time, the spirit of the largest ethnic groups, consistently seeking sovereignty, was pacified.
                  In absolute terms (in millions of people), Ukraine suffered the most. In relative numbers (percent), Kazakhstan suffered the most. About half of the Kazakhs died. Frankly, humanity has never in its history known such a scale of tragedy.
                  We will never be free until we tell the whole truth about this genocide. Lies will not allow us to stand on a par with free nations. Lying deforms our consciousness, makes us cowardly slaves.
                  During the reign of Koba, Germans, Koreans, Poles, Chechens were deported to Kazakhstan. By the will of the regime, our republic has become a place of deportation for millions of Soviet citizens. The Kazakh people warmly received all the disadvantaged, shared the last piece of bread with them, and provided shelter during this famine and warriors !. And now their descendants live here in peace and harmony, preserving their traditions, customs and language. I agree a little pathetic, but the events of those terrible years cannot be forgotten, they should serve as a lesson, albeit a terrible one for the next generation.
                  1. 0
                    23 December 2013 16: 54
                    I read it, burst into tears. Maybe Comrade Stalin was not stupider than us? Just like that, he took and evicted! In short, all the Russians --- on the knife!
              3. ekzorsist
                +17
                21 December 2013 22: 16
                And here you are, dear, just Lying.
                Look at Kazakhstan, the former virgin land, how much and what kind of grain was grown? And look at these "farm" farms - complete squalor !!!
                The production of milk, meat, butter and other food products was put on a production basis (which, incidentally, began to be used in the same West a long time ago, realizing that small-scale subsistence farming would not feed anyone) and the USSR was fully provided with its bread, meat, etc. d ..
                And now ? Fully provided - with sneakers (instead of natural chocolate), soy meat, genetically modified chickens, and the like, which the very west doesn’t really want to eat, but dumps it here.
                So that collectivization of agriculture was the only right step.
                1. +4
                  22 December 2013 13: 33
                  The development of virgin lands in Kazakhstan was a mistake for the leadership of the USSR. It was necessary to invest in the agriculture of traditional regions.
                2. Egor.nic
                  -1
                  23 December 2013 16: 02
                  Grain of poor quality has been grown and is grown today. Regarding the volumes of the harvest, there were constant posts, only for reporting and window dressing.
              4. -1
                22 December 2013 05: 39
                do you seem to believe in santa claus?
              5. +4
                22 December 2013 11: 39
                Quote: fumanchu
                So all these are fairy tales of the Stalinists.

                Here's a "overload". Nothing ended, and Russia will not be left alone. Your conclusions are naive and ridiculous. But you weren't too lazy to check in on the Russian site? And isn't it scary? Of course not! It is in your crap that even the prime minister is being watched, and you are helpless. They themselves signed it. Isn't GDP being watched? They are watching, trying to think constantly. Good luck

                PS. But I won’t stop drinking for Gorby’s death, no matter how many times they print it. And how will your accordion die, ready-elected to celebrate
              6. -1
                22 December 2013 21: 12
                Quote: fumanchu
                In the United States at that time, people were also starving to death. Therefore, they built hundreds of factories in the USSR
                well, well, but from this place in more detail! otherwise I have a gap in this period of the history of my country! Are they starving from the most democratic country in the world?
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              8. +5
                22 December 2013 22: 43
                Any revolution, in addition to the destruction of the existing management system, destroys the social protection systems developed by the previous way of life. For some reason, looking at the beginning of the twentieth century, everyone remembers this, and they forget to look at how this century ended.
                The country at the beginning of the last century took 20 years in order to somehow build a new social system. protection instead of the old one, destroyed during the Revolution and the Civil War. Now 20 years have passed since the criminal destruction of the Union. Tell me at least one Republic in which there is a normal social. protection of the population. With equality in rights to the State.
                And it is not necessary to stigmatize the USSR under the "white-fluffy" slogans! Nobody has yet counted how many people the Union Republics have lost over these 20 years. And those same politicians and their buyers are to blame for this.
                Believe me, I travel a lot for work, both in my Republic and in the CIS countries - on average, it’s better nowhere. And in particular? So we are not about particulars, we are talking about such a statistical concept as population.
                The desire to destroy and the destruction of the Union turned into a crisis of the payment system - yes, there were a lot of reasons, but it all started from that.
                Stalin's foreign and domestic policies worked to increase the country's power. Scoundrels and villains destroyed the country. There was a leader strengthening the country. So you are all howling about possible repression and cult.
                And the USSR stood until 1992 thanks to the inertia that it received in the momentum of 1917-1953. And it’s hard to find an honest person who thinks about the good of the State and who is happy about the collapse of the Union.
                You can talk a lot about Stalin ... What's the point ... He created a mighty power, and we profiled it ...
              9. Egor.nic
                0
                23 December 2013 15: 31
                You are also right about this.
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              11. -1
                24 December 2013 13: 51
                About the collective farms. You would have thought better a bit.
                What is the productivity of a collective farm equipped with tractors, machines, equipment? And the same question about farms with horses and carts.
                Further, the farmer is a private trader, he thinks primarily about himself. The collective farm is part of the state and all its work is sharpened for the tasks of the state. What is more important in the context of the impending big war?

                PS. You strongly understand the value of gold for the country and the ability to build factories.
              12. 0
                7 June 2014 14: 25
                we have a famine, they have great depression
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          3. c3r
            +34
            21 December 2013 15: 44
            And the famine, and repression, and dispossession were no one argues. But the truth is that everyone has their own. At about the same time, my great-grandfather and my whole family (14 people) were sent out of one Voronezh province to the Krasnoyarsk Territory for one horse and cow .... After which they had about 10 cows, as many horses, and geese and chickens each they didn’t consider my grandmother’s words at all. Another great-grandfather from the famine went to the Caucasus, too, seemingly survived. The truth is that everyone has their own, because in this case the results of those tragedies and victims are important. If in 90 the results were dubious (the population decreased by almost 20 million people and this is not counting the fallen republics), then industrialization was carried out in the 30-50s, rural agriculture and industry, a victory was won in the great war, and agriculture, industry, etc. were restored again after the war. etc. (see article). Important results respected !!!
            1. fumanchu
              +9
              21 December 2013 16: 08
              I agree. It's just not very nice to see if the negative sides are completely silent. But these were real people.

              I just ate propaganda in Germany, where they practice the same, but with an accuracy of turnover. You need to be objective. Then the truth is the same for everyone.
              1. +5
                21 December 2013 19: 18
                Yes, there can be one truth, the truth can, but it is revealed after many years. And I think it should be calculated by the increase or decrease in the number of people, the well-being of this population and in the first place of course the ability or desire of the state to protect this population again.
              2. ekzorsist
                -2
                21 December 2013 22: 29
                Hmm, then your brain seems to be very well cleaned.
                Or maybe you just have to think for yourself?
                And do not listen to frenzied senility.
              3. +3
                22 December 2013 14: 59
                Quote: fumanchu
                I agree. It's just not very nice to see if the negative sides are completely silent. But these were real people.

                But for some reason, the whole world needs to dig deeper into Russian negativity. The State Department is invading? Let's dig into the negativity of Germany, tell us how the Germans destroyed the civilian population in Russia, how they killed, raped, robbed, that's where the negativity is to the stars. Or tell how the Anglo-Saxons destroyed the Indians! tell us how modern Germany thrives on the rest of Europe!
                Famine? tell us about the famine in Germany, and he was at the same time as the Soviet one.
                Quote: fumanchu
                Then the truth is the same for everyone.

                The truth at all is one.
            2. +18
              21 December 2013 22: 36
              The family of my godmother was expelled from Ukraine to Uzbekistan as a family of fists (there was one cow for 11 people). In the 70s, she was able to go to her native village, and she learned from the old people that the district police officer had issued a denunciation on them, and how he had been expelled, he and his family moved into their hut.
              Now everything is blamed on Stalin - he is to blame for everything! And who wrote all the denunciations? Who wanted to be "holier than the Pope"? Remember Khrushchev's letter asking for permission to increase the number of repressed, where Stalin's handwriting was written - Calm down! Of course, who is pleased to admit that the father (grandfather) was a bastard wrote denunciations to the neighbors, it is easier to blame Stalin!
            3. 0
              22 December 2013 14: 54
              Quote: c3r
              But the truth is that everyone has their own.

              The truth is one at all, do not be fooled.
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            5. loisop
              0
              22 December 2013 22: 25
              Plusanul. Although there are rough edges ..
              1. The Holodomor - WASN’T! Hunger, yes, there was ..
              2. Sent for a cow .. Um .. Doubtful. Sent for quite another. For armed resistance, for example. Or, say, for agitation against the government. And they could not stand on ceremony - at that time in many countries they punished more seriously for such jokes. (Although I do not exclude falling under the distribution)
          4. +24
            21 December 2013 16: 28
            Not "Holodomor" - this word - the invention of the CIA, which is now re-singed by Svidomye, but they have only 1 gyrus in their brains, and that is a straight line, dividing the brain (with a hazelnut size) into the left and right hemispheres. HUNGER was in 1933 both in the Volga region and in Kazakhstan, but Russia and Kazakhstan do not squeal about this. Again, there was famine in the Volga region in the early 20s of the last century. And in the 19th century, under the "blessed rule" of the gopher (as Nikolashka the 2nd confidants called), famine also happened. But if there were no industrialization, what would the country do in 1941 ??? And then until 1945? In the previous war, there was a shell famine in 1915, but at that time tanks, aviation, etc. were not developed. And without industry in handicraft workshops, these weapons cannot be created ...
            1. fumanchu
              -28
              21 December 2013 16: 42
              I, too, am not a supporter of Ukrainian fascists who squeal about genocide. But the fact that Ukraine suffered the most

              And the point is not in terms and hunger. And the fact that those massacres and that lawlessness and stupidity begin to praise.
              It’s what kind of condition you need to get to to blame others and say that the price of the ball is not high.

              Yes there was industrialization. And the result was. But the price was terribly high.
              And at least 1000 minuses will put me. I’ll speak the truth anyway.
              1. +17
                21 December 2013 16: 48
                Do not confuse the truth with your personal opinion.
                1. fumanchu
                  -21
                  21 December 2013 17: 00
                  Yes, mine.

                  What a personal opinion. You just look at the numbers and everything will become clear. If we attribute another 150 dead in the Finnish and 000 million in 2-41 as a result of purges in the army and the nomination of mediocre reptiles to higher posts, then Stalin can be compared with Mao, who killed 42 million.
                  1. +6
                    21 December 2013 20: 44
                    even the Americans do not deny that Tukhachevsky organized a conspiracy to overthrow Stalin ...
                    1. +2
                      22 December 2013 11: 54
                      Oh oh Mattresses are not an authority, but the fact that the documents on Tukhachevsky fell on the Stalin table from Germany is a fact. Why? I’ll even try to guess myself
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                  3. +5
                    22 December 2013 02: 59
                    Quote: fumanchu
                    2 million in 41-42 as a result of purges in the army and the nomination of mediocre reptiles in senior positions

                    Read and be amazed.
                    Acquaintance with archival documents, reporting data of personnel agencies on the arrested and appointed commanders instead of them testifies to the growth of academic education in all major job groups. For example, at the peak of the repressions, from May 1, 1937 to April 15, 1938, out of the 3 arrested deputies of the People's Commissar of Defense, not one had an academic education, 2 of the appointed had it. Of the commanders of the troops of the districts, 3 "academicians" were arrested, 8 were appointed; deputy commanders of the districts: respectively, 4 arrested with higher military education, appointed - 6; the chiefs of staff of the districts - those arrested did not have an academic education, 4 out of 10 appointed had it; corps commanders - 12 with higher military education were arrested, 19 were appointed; chiefs of staff of corps - 14 "academicians" were arrested, 22 appointed. And so on in all positions, with the exception of division commanders. The 33 arrested divisional commanders had an academic education, and among the appointed there were only 27 of them. In general, in terms of the highest command staff, the number of those appointed with a higher military education exceeds the number of those arrested with a similar education by 45%.
                    Thus, repressions did not reduce the educational level of the categories of officers affected by them, they affected the level of education of senior and secondary officers who were promoted to higher posts. Archival evidence suggests that these were, as a rule, the most highly trained commanders.
                    To summarize, we can draw some conclusions. Firstly, the study of objective indicators and characteristics of various categories of command and control personnel, carried out using quantitative methods, does not give rise to a statement about the significant influence of repressions on the state of military personnel in the pre-war period. The exception is a fairly thin layer of the highest command and command structure, in which repression made certain changes. However, its main objective indicators were no worse, and in some indicators better than their repressed predecessors.
                    Secondly, an analysis of the large amount of available data shows that the repressions did not have a significant impact on the state of military personnel on the level of training, staffing, the availability of combat experience and the experience in command and control of units and formations that they attach to historiography. By the beginning of the war, the army managed to come up with a fairly high educational level of senior officers. The main drawback of the officer corps before the war was the low training of a huge mass of mid-level commanders. A significant group of officers with a low level of education, which merged with the Red Army in the prewar years, was an inevitable consequence of its unplanned deployment. The experience of serving in positions held was small, but, as the previous experience of the mass deployment of new formations shows, it was unlikely to be higher with this system of training, promotion and accumulation of top military personnel.
                    Thirdly, the repressions did not affect the cadres as much as they were estimated by the German military leaders led by Hitler before the war. They were clearly mistaken, and our victory is convincing proof of this.
                  4. +1
                    22 December 2013 15: 11
                    Quote: fumanchu
                    then Stalin can be compared with Mao, who killed 60 million.

                    So straight and ditched? Coffin others - Germans, Japanese.
              2. +5
                21 December 2013 19: 36
                : facepam: Kazakhstan suffered the most, it lost half the population, and Ukraine no more than 15%
              3. Current 72
                +3
                22 December 2013 01: 06
                I put you a minus, just because there is no truth in your truth. Here and conclude why STALIN is being poured with mud. It is a pity that only STALIN has not lived with us for at least 25 years. You look and there wouldn’t be the current mess.
              4. 0
                22 December 2013 02: 28
                Quote: fumanchu
                I, too, am not a supporter of Ukrainian fascists who squeal about genocide. But the fact that Ukraine suffered the most

                And the point is not in terms and hunger. And the fact that those massacres and that lawlessness and stupidity begin to praise.
                It’s what kind of condition you need to get to to blame others and say that the price of the ball is not high.

                Yes there was industrialization. And the result was. But the price was terribly high.
                And at least 1000 minuses will put me. I’ll speak the truth anyway.


                1. Dear, such articles are a gathering of local Stalinists. Leave the old people and those who listen to them alone. You do not convince them, they do you too. Only negative emotions will be typed.
                2. And where did you get the idea that the 1933 famine was most severe in Ukraine? But in Kazakhstan, and in the Volga region?
              5. +1
                22 December 2013 11: 49
                Quote: fumanchu
                And at least 1000 minuses will put me. I’ll speak the truth anyway.


                For God's sake. After all, tea, we don’t live in Germany, say how much will fit. Are you bored of seeing freedom of speech? Judging by your activity. Or passivity? Or tolerance? You will be confused with you, German minxes ...
            2. -1
              21 December 2013 19: 21
              Quote: nnz226
              Kazakhstan do not squeal about this

              You are mistaken, there are such and squealing
          5. zardoz
            +11
            21 December 2013 16: 49
            Well, as if in "well-fed" America since the 29th year, too, people have not been sickly starving. Until now, the secret of what kind of population the United States lost during this period.
            And on the account of the famine - an employee told me (a witness of that period) that it was hungry and it happened that they ate the bay leaf just like that (he still doesn’t eat it, but then he was still small), but who worked he survived. They had five children in their family and they all survived this period. His father had three more brothers and their families also survived. It was near Chernihiv.
          6. +13
            21 December 2013 17: 11
            fumanchu
            It sounds beautiful. In fact, it was a quiet horror. Or was there no famine at 33?

            My grandfather wandered with his mother and sister through extinct villages to exchange a sewing machine for a piece of bread ...


            Before organizing a collective-collective farm form of labor in the state’s agriculture, Russia was shocked by periodic famines.
            Before the organization of collective farms, the rural population of Russia could not feed itself, not to mention the urban population.
            The poorest peasantry accounted for 35%, 30% were without inventory, 60% of the rural population, as they now write "had antediluvian tools of labor," that is, simply put, plowed with a wooden plow, horseless peasants accounted for 31%. About half of them were forced to work for the kulaks, who made up 5%.
            Before collectivization, the poor and middle peasants ate 89% of their products and sold only 11% of the grain they produced on the market. (The situation before Collectivization. Pavel Krasnov. Http://www.rusproject.org/history/history_8/situacija_pered_kollectivizaciej)
            And from year to year the situation worsened.
            Read about it from E. Prudnikova in the book "Technology of the Impossible" - "Battle for Bread".
            Stalin I.V. under these conditions, he found the only right way on the basis of the poorest and middle peasant population of the village, which made up more than 90% of the population of the village, to create large collective forms of labor organization - artels, cooperatives, collective farms.
            And this was the solution to the problem, after 5-6 years the situation was radically corrected.
            1. fumanchu
              -18
              21 December 2013 17: 37
              There were no such scales ever. Neither before nor after.
              As for the productivity of the peasants, so remember the NEP and the Golden 20s.

              If Stalin was right, the union would not fall apart. For no matter how not to build up industry, without agriculture, the country is vulnerable and doomed.
              By and large, collective farms drove the last nail into the coffin of the Soviet Union.
              1. +5
                21 December 2013 23: 25
                While Stalin was, everything was fine, but when he was gone ...
                Our people appeared for whom the West was an ideal. As a result, they collapsed from the inside - Gorbaty and Yolkin did not act alone, together they would not succeed. We bought glass beads from the west!
                1. -1
                  22 December 2013 15: 18
                  Quote: voffchik7691
                  While Stalin was, everything was fine, but when he was gone ...

                  While there were 10 million heroes who won the war, it was these people who determined the superiority of the USSR for decades to come.
              2. +2
                22 December 2013 13: 14
                All the same, Yeltsin drove the last nail into the coffin of the Union ..... And the first drove the CIA with Humpback Peninsula .....
                1. loisop
                  +1
                  22 December 2013 22: 40
                  Wrong! The first nail was driven in by the "maize". But the backlog was great, it was enough for almost half a century.
          7. +14
            21 December 2013 18: 15
            Quote: fumanchu
            My grandfather wandered with his mother and sister through extinct villages to exchange a sewing machine for a piece of bread.

            sorry of course sisters
            Now tell me an American, what's the truth?
            What, only your ancestors went through those years?
            my grandfather is a hereditary Cossack, but he did not fight for the whites, but do you know why the American? not because he was a simple Cossack, on the contrary, in the tsarist army he was a gentleman of St. George, but because the whites began to run for help to all enthants there. my grandfather is a warrior, the main thing for him was to have a homeland.
            and then, you think it was easy, especially for him, those whom they had simplified as a military, and who were used to their economy? but he did not get angry. he got up and raised his children.
            and what are your ancestors from western Ukraine? so they don’t want to work now, they think that Europe will come to them, and will make their life a paradise
            instead of running your life, you are looking for sweet places!
            1. fumanchu
              -27
              21 December 2013 18: 21
              You patriot. You yourself are an American. Found here, a moral apostle.
              And my ancestors were not Ukrainians. Especially western.

              Well, you are not tearing into North Korea. Everything is there as you like. And they spit on human life, and they have their own Stalin.
              1. +15
                21 December 2013 18: 58
                My grandfather and grandmother were resettled with their parents in 33 from Ukraine to the Far East (Iman, now Dalnerechensk, Primorsky Territory). Then there was a program of relocation of victims of hunger from Ukraine. They tried to save people as they could. Now, if you look at the national composition of the population of the Far East, then more than 50% of the population has Ukrainian roots.
                The famine in Russia in the 19-beginning of the 20 century is a common phenomenon, the reason is the low level of agricultural production, the primitiveness of tools. Blaming Stalin alone is ridiculous. The frequency of famine in Russia is 10-12 years.
                For reference: do you know that now 80% of all agricultural products on the Russian market are the products of large agricultural enterprises. The private trader was not able, either then or now, to ensure the food security of the state.
                So collectivization was a necessity, its principle, enlargement of farms, is still used.
                Tell me, do you really think that if it were not for collectivization, drought and crops would have bypassed the USSR? And there was no hunger?
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              3. Crusader
                +5
                21 December 2013 19: 09
                sit edward in your gamermania and cry for grandfather. You don’t need to go to this site. IMHO.
                1. fumanchu
                  -13
                  21 December 2013 19: 18
                  Well, thank God that you decide it is not you.
                  But I really have nothing to do here.
                  1. +8
                    21 December 2013 19: 47
                    Happy to stay.
                    Happy to stay.
                    Happy to stay.
                    Do not call back
                    1. fumanchu
                      0
                      26 December 2013 05: 28
                      It would not be bad to justify your wishes.

                      Full of cowards and jackals. I think you are a jackal.
                  2. Current 72
                    -4
                    22 December 2013 01: 13
                    Get out of here, PLEASE !!!
              4. 0
                21 December 2013 23: 47
                Under Stalin there was no horde of loafers. ALL were in action!
              5. -2
                22 December 2013 13: 16
                Why are all trolls drawn to VO? No one will tell you ????
                And most importantly, everyone is so smart, everyone just speaks the truth)))
              6. -1
                22 December 2013 14: 43
                for fumanchu DE Yesterday, 18:21 ↑

                listen american! an American is a person without a nationality, or rather, there are many of these nationalities, but they abandoned their roots. So, American, you are told in Russian in white and white that you are not going to do propaganda on that site, you understand, the distributor of the ideas of the State Department, on this site people who have gone through this, or, in one way or another, have felt all the vicissitudes of the past. and believe me, everyone knows the price of what idea you are trying to promote here.
                everyone has already expressed to you how it was, from whose promise and by whom it was performed, and you, all are not taken! what, afraid the State Department will not pay?
                1. fumanchu
                  +2
                  23 December 2013 04: 24
                  Well yes. Propaganda is such a thing that you don’t understand who promotes at all.
                  I look, you are here like a political political officer. Well, disgusting is inherited, you can’t run away from him.

                  If we have already passed over to individuals and robbed and then killed people you call thieves ...

                  Cheto I do not understand. You have a dog like an avatar. A dog is an honest animal, but you are a traitor and a liar. Or what is the name of the subject who is engaged in demagogy, lying about people whom he does not know and thereby confuses the rest? And in general, by your type, you can immediately determine that you were not a soldier. Even in Germany, such people do not join the army.
                  Because of people like you, the former union still does not have the order that was under Stalin. Stalin sent such supervisors to Siberia, and then disposed of them.

                  I do not judge Stalin. What was then passed. But scammers, as your brethren do here, are very harmful to society. A man must have his own brains. And if something like you, people are brains with emotions, just to amuse themselves with pride and participate in hat-making, it will simply be difficult for the Russian people to develop.

                  So do not offend the sack.

                  I am a friend and not an enemy. And the problem is that people like you don’t see friends, only enemies. God be your judge for the fact that you have spun here ....

                  To all well-wishers ...
                  Wishes like "get out of here", no need to write. I hope this was my last letter and I am leaving voluntarily. I just can't stand morality.
          8. +8
            21 December 2013 19: 35
            Again the old barrel organ of a stupid herd ...
            SUDDENLY, there were 100500 famines before the USSR, during the 19 century, if at least 40 !, didn’t fail me, how many were there in the 20 century? Here is the same. And in general, if it takes root in considering the causes of the famine, it will become clear that the policy was aimed at avoiding the famines in the future, but the kulaks resisted this policy in every possible way and destroyed their own business, just to avoid sharing. Which actually led to such a situation.
          9. +12
            21 December 2013 20: 25
            and how many people died during the reign of the Democrats ??? how many orphans left, how many prostitutes became, and how many were sent for the cordon ??? The drug is distributed by those who must fight it, bribes, theft of leaders at the highest level !!! Colonels and patriots of Russia are sitting, but Khodorkovsky, stools and other thieves amnesty!
            1. +6
              21 December 2013 23: 32
              In the West there is a method of calculating human losses. So, according to this technique, Yeltsin’s conscience (sounds cool: CONSCIENCE about a man who destroyed and plundered the country with his gang!) At least 11 million people !!!
              What about street children ?! It is in our time without war!
          10. +3
            21 December 2013 20: 25
            and how many people died during the reign of the Democrats ??? how many orphans left, how many prostitutes became, and how many were sent for the cordon ??? The drug is distributed by those who must fight it, bribes, theft of leaders at the highest level !!! Colonels and patriots of Russia are sitting, but Khodorkovsky, stools and other thieves amnesty!
          11. +5
            21 December 2013 23: 56
            Damn, for some reason EVERYONE recalls the Holodomor in the USSR and forget about the same nightmare, at the same time in the "most democratic country" - the United States. STALIN let millions through the gulag, but in the United States more than 100 million indigenous people were killed, without even a hint of trial. Let's be objective.
            1. +2
              22 December 2013 13: 19
              The fact is that the Indians did not want democracy and oppressed the bison ....
            2. fumanchu
              +4
              23 December 2013 05: 04
              Well, where did you come from homegrown sages?

              In the USA, all the peasants fled to the city. There was no money from anyone to buy anything. People just left the farm and left. There were even kitchens in the city.

              In principle, because of this, the Second World War began, because without a war the Anglo-Saxon banks and the American economics would not have survived.
              That's why the Americans financed Hitler. And in 47 Churchill wrote about the Iron Curtain, because Stalin did not sign the Bretton Woods agreement, which was, in fact, a ticket for the pound and the dollar to world enslavement. What we now have.

              But the causes of famine in the union and the United States were completely different.

              And a question for the rest of the sages. Why in the same Poland or East Germany in the year 33, little is heard about hunger. Did they do dances with a tambourine, or what?
          12. -1
            22 December 2013 14: 45
            Quote: fumanchu
            teaches beautifully. In fact, it was a quiet horror. Or was there no famine at 33?

            Famine was in Germany and the United States, on a smaller scale.
          13. +2
            22 December 2013 21: 30
            Quote: fumanchu
            Or was there no famine at 33?

            The worst famine was in 1920-21, you are using liberal data showing the world the "Holodomor" in Ukraine. So, the worst hunger was in the middle Volga region, cannibalism was the norm, but ... no one remembers this now, why, I don't know ...
            PS these are not my fantasies, these are the memories of close relatives
          14. Egor.nic
            -1
            23 December 2013 15: 30
            And it is true...
          15. Alexey K.
            +2
            26 December 2013 05: 51
            Case in point. The great genius of weapons Mikhail Kalashnikov was 17 children in his family and they were dispossessed, and their family was expelled. And how many engineers designers sat in the prison Korolev, Tupolev, Lavochkin and many others, how many churches were destroyed and priests, intellectuals, ordinary people were killed, how many people put on the construction of the Belomorkanal and all this is now presented to the Stalinists as a blessing - truly blind leaders of the blind.
            And here is a map of the empire of justice with recreation facilities for the population and sanatoriums to improve health
            1. fumanchu
              0
              26 December 2013 06: 34
              And there were jails, thanks to Beria. That was a man. Everything in Stalin's quote "cadres decide everything" is said.
              If a psychopath like the Khrushchev killed this great, albeit perverted man, he is to blame.

              In principle, Stalin killed Beria. The whole story speaks of this. But it’s a pity that the khruz came.
          16. salem49
            +1
            26 December 2013 08: 52
            For twenty years this Caesar led Russia to nowhere, and 56 years (9 years after the war) in Tomsk earned an industrial nuclear reactor.
            1. fumanchu
              0
              26 December 2013 09: 08
              Well, at least I would justify chtoli.
              So neither you nor me.

              Where is the money zing?
        3. Reyngard
          -7
          21 December 2013 23: 24
          My dear friend, don’t you look at how collective farmers lived? No passports, you can not leave the collective farms. Try it for yourself. You sit there at the computer and magnify, but my grandfather was really in the Stalinist concentration camps.
          1. Yarosvet
            0
            21 December 2013 23: 35
            Quote: Reyngard
            and my grandfather really was in the Stalinist concentration camps.

            So the differences between CL and ITL are unknown to you ...

            And by what article was your venerable relative identified?
          2. -3
            22 December 2013 00: 30
            Reyngard
            Was it? Where did you come from? Looks like your unlucky grandfather was forgiven, what would you carry all the nonsense here now? Innocent probably, as usual, was your grandfather? You won’t tell me the article by which you sat, it’s not difficult to understand why your grandfather thundered.
        4. +13
          21 December 2013 23: 26
          But today is the birthday of K.K. Rokossovsky. It would not be a sin to remember either. A wonderful commander, a servant to the tsar, a father to the soldiers. The only right Pole in history.
          1. Yarosvet
            +10
            21 December 2013 23: 53
            There is such a thing
            1. +1
              22 December 2013 18: 45
              Why there is no article about Rokossovsky
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          2. +2
            22 December 2013 18: 53
            Quote: ele1285
            .Only the only correct Pole in history.

            Yes, Rokossovsky is our man, but you can’t be so categorical in the assessments of an entire nation. Naturally, a family has its black sheep, BUT:
            In 1962g. Khrushchev asked Konstantin Rokossovsky to write a “blacker and thicker” article against Joseph Stalin. According to Chief Aviation Marshal Alexander Golovanov, Rokossovsky replied: “Nikita Sergeyevich, comrade Stalin is a saint to me!” - and did not clink glasses at the banquet with Khrushchev. Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, the founder of modern cosmonautics, also belonged to the Polish noble family. In the Tsiolkovsky family there was no place for Russophobia and wild Polish nationalism. On the contrary, Tsiolkovsky maintained warm relations with many Russian scientists, including Dmitry Mendeleev. Tsiolkovsky’s contribution to the development of Russian astronautics is hard to overestimate. Nikolai Lossky, an outstanding representative of Russian religious philosophy, one of the founders of the direction of intuitionism in philosophy, the author of the famous work "The Character of the Russian People", is also a Pole. The Pole was Nikolai Przhevalsky, a Russian traveler and naturalist, a full member of the Russian Geographical Society. But while everyone knows about the scientific achievements of Przhevalsky, not many have heard of his participation as a volunteer in the suppression of the Polish uprising. In general, the theme of Polish uprisings runs like a thread through the entire official Polish historiography. And undeservedly little attention is paid to the Polish generals and officers who remained faithful to the oath they gave to the Russian Emperor and Polish King Nicholas I. In 1841g. in Warsaw, a monument was solemnly opened in honor of the dead Polish officers who did not violate their loyal oath to the Russian sovereign: Count Stanislav Pototsky, generals Jozef Novitsky, Thomas Sementkovsky, Stanislav Trebitsky, Ignatius Blumer, Maurice Filipp Hauck and Colonel Mechisovtsi. At the behest of Nicholas I, the inscription on the monument read: “To the Poles who died in 1830. for loyalty to his Monarch. ” Now this monument does not exist. It was destroyed in 1917, because it did not fit in with the official interpretation of Polish history, where "the whole Polish people in a single impulse rose to fight against the Russian oppressors." In addition, thousands of Poles shed their blood for Russia in the Crimean War 1854-1856gg. and in the Russo-Japanese War 1904-1905gg. During the Caucasian War, many Poles were especially honored with state awards for personal courage on the battlefields. The history of a whole Polish captive detachment, which received freedom from the hands of the highlanders, is noteworthy (they thought that the liberated Poles, and even with weapons in their hands, would immediately rush to partisan and shoot Russian soldiers). But the detachment in full force returned to duty and continued to fight so devotedly for Mother Russia that some of the former Polish prisoners were awarded the George Crosses. From the Poles came the brightest Count Grigory Potemkin (whose grandfather, also named Potempkovsky, spoke Polish), the hetman Bogdan Khmelnitsky, uniting Ukraine with Russia, the great Russian classic Fedor Dostoevsky, Russian generals during the Russo-Turkish war of 1877-1878.

            URL:http://go-url.ru/dk8z
            1. 0
              22 December 2013 20: 11
              I respect your opinion, but Przhezhevalsky has nothing to do with world wars. And understand that these Poles took the oath not to the state and the country, but to the emperor personally. Why respect them? If you took the oath during the time of the Union, then it says Russian in white -
              : "If I break this solemn oath of mine, then let the severe punishment of the Soviet law, the universal hatred and contempt of the working people befall me."
              And they get the oath, as in the SS, personally to the leader (Fuhrer)

              I don’t know how, but these Poles, who swore allegiance to the emperor, they violated it and therefore profiled the state, and you will not convince me otherwise.
              How much scum did Napoleon have during the Crimean War?
              1. 0
                25 December 2013 08: 35
                Quote: ele1285
                I respect your opinion, but Przhezhevalsky has nothing to do with world wars.

                It has indirectly, its expeditions were carried out in the interests of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia ...
        5. 0
          22 December 2013 23: 08
          If in a nutshell, Stalin took the country with a plow and left with an atomic bomb.
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      4. +16
        21 December 2013 14: 14
        in everything you have to blame world Zionism In what politukha studied? It looks like in Lviv, the rest gave some other specialty, and most of the products of Lvov Higher Military School of Higher Education were not claimed, full Christ sellers were attached.

        In Israel, like nowhere else, OFFICIALLY revered Comrade STALIN, because, unlike ours, they understand that without him a country would not exist.

        In the mid-90s he was there as part of the delegation. At an official reception in the presence of the country's top leadership (then they were people who fought for the country, participants in World War II), then-Prime Minister General Yitzhak Rabin raised a toast to STALIN, reproaching that he was only being poured with dirt in the BSSSR and was silent about his merits in front of their homeland and all of humanity.
        1. 0
          21 December 2013 16: 41
          Quote: RoTTor
          in everything you have world Zionism to blame

          And you have world Zionism - is it something like a travel agency that carries Jews to their historical homeland and does nothing else? Then why are Israeli fascists beating up Arabs and Orthodox Jews? The latter, incidentally, are also not weakly accusing the Zionists, even though they are of the same nation with them.
          1. -1
            22 December 2013 20: 35
            Quote: Stanislav
            Then why are Israeli fascists beating up Arabs and Orthodox Jews?

            Wow. Have you put Arabs and Orthodox on a par? Orthodox are fascists. fool
        2. 0
          22 December 2013 01: 30
          It is strange that with all of the above, they are not the strategic ally of Russia, but the United States.
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      5. +13
        21 December 2013 18: 11
        Quote: MIKHAN
        World Zionism will by all means strive to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again.


        Defying the world behind the scenes, Stalin won a serious victory before the war, quite comparable to the defeat of Germany. Victory, without which this rout would be simply impossible. Destroying the core of the "fifth column" Stalin for half a century delayed the collapse of the USSR with all the negative processes taking place now.

        Moreover, the collapse in the 30s would have been more bloody, bearing in mind the "fiery" revolutionaries who have rich experience in this regard ...

      6. Seafarer61
        +11
        21 December 2013 20: 32
        One small example: when on May 29.05.1929, XNUMX, it was decided to build the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant, schools were immediately created to train workers and repairmen. Those. the plant was still in perspective, and personnel for it were already being prepared. There are no such examples. Now they do it all through jo..pu, and then they did it wisely!
        1. +7
          21 December 2013 22: 02
          Good evening.
          I agree with you. drinks

          I’ll add from myself that with a planned economy and tight accounting, it was simply impossible to steal ANYTHING without risking a term or a tower.

          Therefore, for the oligarchs and capitalists _ Stalin is a tyrant.
      7. timer
        +5
        21 December 2013 23: 25
        I agree with the author of the article. Stalin is a great strategist and organizer of the planetary scale! Many modern politicians need to study and learn from him. As for our Pygmy country in power! Traitors and thieves! The threats to the country are the same as before, only time for a radical correction of the situation is less and less (the nation is becoming stupid turning into a consumer society, where one measure is junk and loot). AYNE NEEDS A POLICY LIKE STALIN! One country, one people, one party, one leader!
      8. 0
        22 December 2013 11: 28
        Quote: MIKHAN
        All "managers" want to be

        Not all. Mass psychosis will pass, after the 90s, in general, consider two generations kicked out of the country, but we stand on our feet, nothing. Why do I think so? The son finishes school and thinks only about entering a technical school. And I think he is not the only one such "non-humanist"
        Quote: MIKHAN
        You have it.

        The rest - I share
      9. -2
        22 December 2013 19: 14
        The name of Stalin haunts only Memorial, and the Minister of Culture Medynsky and Svanidze, while the rest of the people idolize Stalin! How we miss him now!
        1. -1
          22 December 2013 19: 18
          Svanidze is a relative of Stalin, according to his first wife
          1. -1
            22 December 2013 20: 46
            Quote: ivshubarin
            Svanidze is a relative of Stalin, according to his first wife

            And who is Svanidze’s mother? laughing
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      10. 0
        22 December 2013 21: 42
        Quote: MIKHAN
        A great man was and created a great country!


        A little gray, like a silver poplar,
        He stands, taking the parade.
        How much did Sevastopol cost him!
        How much did Stalingrad cost him!

        And on blind frosty nights
        When the front swept the blizzard,
        His clear, bright eyes
        We spotted the enemy to the end.

        These black, hard years
        All hope was on him.
        What super-hard rock
        Did nature create it?

        Winning in military science,
        Having stained snow with enemy blood
        He is in the people mighty hands
        Insolent took the enemy.

        And when the vandals approached
        To our ancient capital of fathers,
        Where did he find such generals
        And such legendary fighters?

        He raised them. Over their education
        He thought a lot of nights and days.
        Oh what storm tests
        They were prepared!

        And in the battles for the Fatherland harsh
        Walked fearlessly to death for him,
        For his fair word,
        For the great truth of him.

        How high he lifted the power
        The leader of the Soviet peoples-friends,
        And what world fame
        He created for his homeland!

        ... the same look. The same speeches are simple.
        Words are also mean and wise ...
        Over the military map of Russia
        His head turned gray.

        1945 (c) Vertinsky
      11. -1
        23 December 2013 08: 13
        To the great man who created the Great Power - GLORY.
      12. 0
        24 December 2013 10: 25
        Stalin was a visionary. In particular, he foresaw that we would have to go through: everything will be done to destroy the USSR so that Russia can never rise again: “The strength of the USSR lies in the friendship of peoples. The edge of the struggle will be primarily aimed at breaking this friendship, at breaking the outskirts of Russia ... .. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations ... The point is that the East will be especially agitated. Acute contradictions with the West will arise. ” Stalin is firmly convinced that socialism will win.
        It’s even funny, but also encouraging because of what panic fear the current “Svanidze” experience under the same name of Stalin. More than half a century after his physical death, they fear him more than his haters in 1937. The dirty slime pours and pours out of their throat, and the result is exactly the opposite. If these “Svanidze”, these oligarchies are so scared and hate the Generalissimo, it means the young people who have never lived with him decide it, Stalin is ours. And this the Generalissimo foresaw: “And no matter how events develop, but time will pass and the eyes of new generations will be turned to the deeds and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will once again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due. They will build their future on our past. ”
        They say that Stalin did not leave a successor? We are all his successors.
    2. +41
      21 December 2013 08: 40
      To achieve the goal, there will always be losses; one thing is to have losses during the construction of the Great Country or losses during its collapse as in 1991.
      1. +22
        21 December 2013 10: 20
        Do you remember Chekhov's "Duel"?
        How is it that Korf, who was planning to go on an expedition about Laevsky? -What such people are not just useless, but even harmful to society because they corrupt him, they live like that merchant who eats, sleeps and keeps her coachman in her lovers.
        For people like Laevsky do not benefit either society or the country.
        That is, they live for their own pleasure, as the current youth is brought up by Sobchaks and other liberals.
        And Korf went on an expedition in which he was ready to disappear for the sake of Russia ...
        Patriotism implies that the Fatherland is higher than the life of the individual, including mine, and certainly the welfare of the individual is secondary than the welfare of the Motherland.
      2. Captain Vrungel
        +55
        21 December 2013 11: 12
        HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
        1. Captain Vrungel
          +53
          21 December 2013 13: 32
          Followers as an example.
          1. +14
            21 December 2013 13: 51
            A bit of history. Democracy is the power of the people ("demos" is the people, "kratos" is the power). But who did the Athenians consider a people? Slaves are talking objects; they do not even have the most primitive personal utensils. Women are slaves of their husbands who do not even dare to leave home without the permission of the husband (they do not belong to the "demos"). Those whose parents came to Athens from other cities and countries are not citizens of Athens. They, like their parents, are equated in Athenian suffrage with slaves! The poor, debtors of wealthy creditors, and those who have property worth less than 10 talents (~ 60 kg of gold) also do not have voting rights. Young men under 21 are also mute. So who is the "demos" ??? - A bunch of arrogant nouveau riche, who are always biting among themselves, but at the same time MUCHLY betray ANAFEMA to all those who are even smarter and more worthy of them. At the same time, vices, drunkenness and other “charms” of democracy flourish in Athens. Only a brief period in the history of ancient Athens was marked by an unprecedented spiritual upsurge and cultural prosperity, when after the end of the Greco-Persian wars, the ruler of a firm hand came to power - Pericles, who unscrewed the nuts of aristocrats and reduced the so-called “democracy” to formality. And thanks to his political will and wisdom, his wife and counselor - Aspazia, Athens - about 30 years old - appeared before the descendants of the city of great spirituality and culture. It didn’t work anymore - the "democrats" did not forgive Pericles autocracy, history repeated itself!
            PS The Bulgarian politician correctly said: democracy is the power of democrats, and not of the people.
            1. +12
              21 December 2013 15: 50
              Quote: knn54
              A bit of history. Democracy is the power of the people

              Democracy is the dictatorship of the majority. I emphasize the majority, not wealth .....
              As Sholokhov said:
              "There was a cult of personality, but there was also a personality" ...
              And what bad are drawn to such a MAN and be leveled at him? Well, not on the hunchback, but any person needs landmarks ......
              All a happy holiday !!!!
            2. +3
              21 December 2013 20: 25
              Well, what is not the modern Baltic ...
      3. +3
        21 December 2013 16: 55
        Wonderfully put it - to the very point! Thank! That says it all!
      4. Egor.nic
        -4
        23 December 2013 16: 19
        Tens of millions of innocently killed by the Bolsheviks have already become justifiable losses.
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    4. enot555
      +39
      21 December 2013 09: 07
      GLORY TO COMRADE STALIN !!!
      more than he, no one has ever done for our country.
      1. +11
        21 December 2013 14: 19
        The golden man was Joseph Vissarionovich. We all long for the revival of the only true Stalinist government, because this is the only way we will save Russia - we will save humanity from self-destruction
        1. bask
          +18
          21 December 2013 15: 28
          ALL with a holiday, the birthday of a GREAT person, RUSSIAN LAND.
          TOV .. Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin.
          1. -40
            21 December 2013 19: 26
            The golden man is Suvorov, Ermolov, Peter 1, and not the thief in law of Koba who contributed to the destruction of Russian culture and empire, for the amusement of the Jews.
            1. +9
              21 December 2013 19: 33
              It was just that Peter 1 destroyed and hated everything Russian, and by the way, and the Russians themselves. And as a friend, he somehow had mostly from countries that are now members of the EU.
              1. -15
                21 December 2013 21: 04
                Peter didn’t destroy everything Russian, but brought good innovations and cared for Russia if it hadn’t done so had created a powerful fleet and brought to the category of great powers what nobody had done before him. Love your Russian, and not the Bolshevik-Jewish leaders who dreamed of translating the world war into a civil war, only the sick want fratricidal wars for the sake of some ideas.
                1. -1
                  22 December 2013 12: 54
                  Quote: AntonR7
                  Bolshevik-Jewish leaders who dreamed of converting a world war into a civil war

                  I didn’t know, I think almost no one knew this. A new word in Russian history? It’s bad when porridge in your head is awkward, oh bad ...
                2. 11111mail.ru
                  0
                  22 December 2013 16: 07
                  Quote: AntonR7
                  Peter did not destroy everything Russian, but brought good innovations and cared for Russia

                  1. Read the description of the streltsy executions at least in the novel by A. Tolstoy "Peter 1", and for a snack by DS Merezhkovsky "Antichrist. Peter and Alexey ".
                  2. Tobacco smoking, for which under his father AM Romanov "Quiet" people tore nostrils. Persecution of Old Believers on a larger scale than under a parent.
                  3. First of all, he cared about his royal person.
                  Conclusion: Peter did not destroy all the Russian, taking care of Russia, abolished the patriarchate and allowed smoking.
                3. -1
                  23 December 2013 15: 14
                  It is certainly true with the fleet, but the Law on succession to succession erases almost everything that it created and plunged Russia into a series of palace coups for almost a century. That's the price for his reign.
              2. Egor.nic
                -1
                23 December 2013 16: 21
                Did Ablai Khan tell you this?
            2. +5
              21 December 2013 23: 42
              Nevermind destroyed Russian culture and empire! The empire was already lying in ruins, and Peter 1 how many people laid down for the construction of Peter?
            3. Current 72
              +3
              22 December 2013 01: 28
              AntonR7, look you will come out of bile, and you will not live to see a bright future. And STALIN was and will be the GREATEST MAN on all earth mother !!!
            4. +4
              22 December 2013 05: 11
              First, you have a strange set of "golden people" - figures of different scales. Secondly, what culture, and what exactly
              "Everything Russian" was destroyed by JV Stalin, and even "for the amusement of the Jews"?
              And thirdly: the USSR was international the state where the new community was created is the Soviet people.
              but not by suppressing nations, but by uniting them.
            5. -1
              22 December 2013 18: 43
              Stalin has all the political articles, not a single criminal one. He was not a thief in law
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    5. +49
      21 December 2013 09: 11
      What does the loss have to do with it? Even if we correlate the losses with achievements, development and revival, in any case we get a Great positive result. After all, the article is not about losses, but about the Great Leader of the Great People and the feat that they made. that their pro-Western liberal-selling descendants did not finish off in the past. Grandfather STALIN was kind - otherwise there would be no kov on the Maidan, Vahobites in the Caucasus, Talibs in Middle Asia, dominance of thieves and traitors at all levels of power, millions abandoned on chewing respectively kov-it’s possible to list for a long time. Let the howlers about the bloody repressions (like Judas Solzhenitsyn — 80 !!!! million) count the victims of the boards of the humpback, Yeltsin and their followers, let them go around the country from Kenik to Vladik and count the people thrown out onto the street, surviving at the stations and trains, let the dead villages and cities be counted ... So that’s not the cry for the victims to scream. Another thing - to the FALLER IN THE FIGHTS FOR THE MOTHERLAND - ETERNAL GLORY AND ETERNAL MEMORY, ETERNAL GLORY TO STALIN AND THANKS THAT HE WAS US! !!
    6. +49
      21 December 2013 09: 28
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Needless to say, but our losses were really terrible. And the question of who is to blame here is purely rhetorical ...
      The answer is very simple. Our losses are 27 million, the losses of the Germans - 7 million. From the lessons of tactics, I know that for an offensive to succeed, an advantage of 1: 3 is needed. In defense in depth and in urban conditions, a ratio of 1: 5 or more is required, the losses will be appropriate. Our troops retreated from Brest to Moscow (984 km), and advanced from Stalingrad to Berlin (2200 km). When the cities were surrendered by our troops, the Germans rarely fought street battles, and when these cities were liberated, in 90% of cases the battles were on the city streets. There are big losses. And if you look at the plate in Wikipedia for our losses, it turns out that the effectiveness of the use of troops of the USSR was even higher than in Germany.
      _______________________ USSR ________________ Germany
      mobilized ___________ 34 476 700__________17 893 200
      loss of soldiers ___________ 8 285 057___________7 418 000
      injured soldier __________ 14 685 593___________6 035 000
      captured soldiers __________ 4 559 000__________10 650 000
      Losses of civilians__26 600 000___________1 440 000

      As you can see, the USSR had more casualties for civilians than casualties for all the warring parties combined. Here are the statistics.

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CF%EE%F2%E5%F0%E8_%E2%EE_%C2%F2%EE%F0%EE%E9_%EC%E8
      %F0%EE%E2%EE%E9_%E2%EE%E9%ED%E5
      1. +62
        21 December 2013 09: 38
        If we shot, burned and starved their captives and civilians as well as the Germans, they would be protected right now at UNESCO.
        1. +13
          21 December 2013 13: 03
          Quote: Igor39
          If we shot, burned and starved their captives and civilians as well as the Germans, they would be protected right now at UNESCO.

          yeah, in the red book
        2. +8
          21 December 2013 15: 52
          Quote: Igor39
          If we shot, burned and starved their captives and civilians as well as the Germans, they would be protected right now at UNESCO.

          Rather, in museums, in the form of wax figures ........
        3. +4
          21 December 2013 17: 12
          Quote: Igor39
          they would be protected at UNESCO right now

          And yet, knowing that few men remained in Germany, since many of them died, others were treated for fascism in occupational therapy courses, rebuilding cities and factories in the USSR, our soldiers left many Frau as a gift of true Aryans. If not for this, and UNESCO would not have helped them.
      2. +34
        21 December 2013 10: 46
        And if we add here the Romanians, Italians, Hungarians, Finns and numerous volunteers from the occupied countries (foreign SS divisions) who fought on the German side, the ratio will change even more in favor of the USSR.
      3. +45
        21 December 2013 10: 53
        You did not take into account allies (Hungary, Romania, Italy. Finland and just the Waffen SS). Secondly, when ours learned to advance, after 1943, our losses were usually less and grew only in Germany. Of course, in 1941 there were terrible losses, surrounded and captured, the militia does not know how to fight and is poorly armed, and most importantly the Germans beat us in parts.

        Taken from here http://statehistory.ru/650/poteri-v-vov/

        For instance. Operation Bagration:
        Soviet:
        178 killed / missing
        587 injured

        German (official):
        381 thousand dead and missing
        150 thousand injured
        158 480 prisoners


        For the motherland. For Stalin!!!
        Hopefully, sooner or later, Stalin's birthday will be made a public holiday. For example, the Day of Russian Statehood.
        1. +30
          21 December 2013 11: 38
          A good idea. I would have transferred the worthless Yeltsin’s on June 12 to Stalin’s birthday. Independence and Stalin combine more than Yeltsin and the bottle end betrayal.
        2. +12
          21 December 2013 14: 30
          Yours is not true. The Great Patriotic War was not the First World War! It was then that the Russian militias fought what they had to - the tsarist government bought everything in a row abroad - up to cartridges and rifles. And the Russian factories reigned in ruins. The army was completely in Stalin’s reign even at the initial stage of the war equipped with excellent products exclusively domestic production
          1. +1
            21 December 2013 21: 26
            Basarev
            By staffing: Are you sarcastic, can you prove or believe?
          2. 0
            22 December 2013 18: 45
            Quote: Basarev
            Yours is not true. The Great Patriotic War was not the First World War! It was then that the Russian militias fought what they had to - the tsarist government bought everything in a row abroad - up to cartridges and rifles. And the Russian factories reigned in ruins. The army was completely in Stalin’s reign even at the initial stage of the war equipped with excellent products exclusively domestic production

            You are probably young, or you .... In a total war, one of the main factors is not armament, but supply. Read, think, analyze, maybe there will be some sense.
          3. Egor.nic
            -3
            23 December 2013 16: 33
            Your ignorance is excusable due to ignorance.
            Never, with no king, did Russia buy weapons and weapons, but rather sell Europe in the same country. The imperialist Russian army was well armed and had excellent rear support. What can not be compared with weapons and security at the beginning of the Second World War.
            Learn materiel .....
            Bolshevik fables should not be taken for truth. Have your own, balanced and informed opinion, worthy of the respect of any of the disputing parties.
            1. 0
              23 December 2013 21: 18
              Quote: Egor.nic
              Never, with no king, did Russia buy weapons and weapons, but rather sell Europe in the same country.

              The Varyag cruiser was designed and built by the American company Kramp (born William Cramp & Sons).
              The cruiser Askold was the brainchild of the German company Germany (German: Germaniawerft).
              The cruiser Bogatyr, designed and built by the German company Vulcan (German: Vulcan AG).
              The contract for the construction of Novik was awarded to the German company Schihau (German: F. Schichau AG).
              Another Russian armored cruiser of 2 rank was unexpectedly received by the Russian Imperial Fleet from Denmark, the Boyarin, designed by Burmeister and Vine (dated Burmeister og Wain).
              during the war, the industry of the Russian Empire was not able to meet the needs of the troops in small arms, including rifles. The lack of rifles was partially compensated by overseas orders, but 35% of the need for rifles was not covered.
              during the war, the industry of the Russian Empire was not able to meet the needs of the troops in machine guns: according to the mobilization task, 4990 machine guns were to be in the army and rear reserves. In fact, in July 1914 there were 4157 machine guns, not enough to meet the planned needs of the 883 machine gun. During the war, they tried to make up for the shortage of machine guns through the use of captured machine guns, as well as the acquisition of machine guns abroad (for example, 6100 light shosh machine guns were delivered from France, 14 850 mm 7,62 mm colt machine guns were delivered from the USA browning ”M1895 / 1914), however, by the 1 of January 1917 in the army there were 16 300 machine guns (which amounted to only 12% of the army’s needs)
              during the war, the industry of the Russian Empire was not able to meet the needs of the troops in rifle cartridges (by the beginning of the 1915 of the year the need for the active army was 150 million cartridges per month, and by the middle of the 1917 year it had grown to 350 million cartridges per month, meanwhile, the maximum productivity of the cartridge factories, achieved by November 1917 of the year amounted to only 150 million cartridges per month, orders for the production of three-line cartridges were placed in the UK and the USA, cartridges began to arrive in 1916 year. Thus, the monthly shortage rounds in the army was 50 million rounds per month).
              This is offhand ..
              Learn materiel .....
      4. vlad0
        +7
        21 December 2013 13: 08
        About 1,5 million of their allies (Hungarians, Romanians, etc.) should be added to the losses of Germany, and we obtain quite comparable data.
        1. +15
          21 December 2013 14: 31
          And most importantly, our soldiers did not kill civilians. There is no atrocity in the blood of Russian
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      6. kaktus
        +12
        21 December 2013 14: 36
        The monstrous losses of civilians - the result of cannibalistic am occupation policies
    7. yuri p
      -11
      21 December 2013 09: 29
      http://vk.com/video668779_164580560 внимательно читай статью а если не можешь читать послушай
      1. +2
        21 December 2013 19: 38
        Well, that I didn’t understand what you wanted to answer. Maybe I’m stupid with everything, but as I understand it, he says that it was the Stalinist system that pulled the country out of the shit that they tried to drive into, like, liberals. Or I'm wrong.
    8. +15
      21 December 2013 09: 46
      But he left early, never having completed the main reform of the state - the removal of the party from power. On March 5, the Presidium was planned at which the main points of this reform were to be announced. But on March 1, the leader suffered a blow and he did not have time. Glory to Stalin!
      1. +16
        21 December 2013 10: 27
        he did not leave, he was "gone". most likely the envious and intriguer Khrushchev organized the assassination attempt, and then staged propaganda against Stalin, but time and history will put everything in its place.
      2. +11
        21 December 2013 10: 53
        In fact, he did not "leave early", but he was poisoned, the symptoms of poisoning with a large dose of a mixture of spider venoms or karakurd poison are absolutely identical to those described everywhere when describing Stalin's death, and Kaganovich's daughter immediately received permission to immigrate to Israel, before at the end of her days she had the most powerful protection, in no way comparable to the protection of the prime minister and president of Israel, this protection was provided in accordance with the law, the text of which remains secret to this day, and the general wording - for services to Israel and the Jewish people by the way, she was one of the few outsiders who had access to the special department dealing with the combat use of poisons.
        1. +4
          21 December 2013 11: 33
          "... and Kaganovich's daughter immediately received permission to immigrate to Israel ..."
          Where does this information come from? The first time I hear what source? As far as I know, at that time Stalin did a lot for the formation of Israel, as the Jewish states themselves talked about it and relations with Israel were quite friendly, but the Saxons, on the contrary, did their best interfered with the Jews, up to the use of force.
          1. -1
            22 December 2013 16: 22
            Quote: evgenm55
            As far as I know, at that time Stalin did a lot for the formation of Israel, as the Jewish states themselves talk about it and relations with Israel were quite friendly

            Stalin did not allow the Jews to create their state in Crimea as they wanted.
            1. 0
              22 December 2013 18: 25
              Well, what kind of "durak" would give up its territory of its own free will so that someone would create their own independent state, and someone else, but the Jews, under no circumstances, could and cannot claim to Crimea, everyone is welcome to Israel or sunny Birobidzhan.
      3. +8
        21 December 2013 12: 08
        Deniska999 (1)
        he left early, never having completed the main reform of the state - the removal of the party from power.


        You are not quite right. Or rather, completely wrong.
        Stalin I.V. I wanted to carry out the reform of power, transferring from the party to the Soviets of Workers' Deputies all functions, except for the main ones - PERSONNEL and IDEOLOGY.
        According to Stalin, the cadres and ideology of the state should have been controlled and led by the party.
        Not for nothing was one of Stalin's main slogans: "Cadres decide everything." The party was supposed to deploy cadres, control them and carry out communist ideology through them.
        1. yur
          yur
          +2
          21 December 2013 21: 22
          It probably should have been like in China now. As I understand it?
    9. +22
      21 December 2013 11: 01
      Now there are numbers. Serious. About the losses. The chances are a bad habit. To exaggerate and downplay. One of their pilots, who made 10 sorties a day (!), And allegedly shot down all the USSR aviation twice, which is worth it.
      1. +4
        21 December 2013 14: 35
        But it must be said honestly: the Germans knew how to fight. When the landing in Normandy began, Omaha beach fell last
    10. wow
      +19
      21 December 2013 11: 57
      Terrible, losses were on all sides, who fought, and did not sunbathe on the beaches during the occupation !!! Therefore, we say: We won !!! And we did not survive, like some Dutch, Belgians and other French!
    11. -8
      21 December 2013 12: 42
      lol Well, who? Vile and rotting Western imperialism))
      1. +1
        21 December 2013 19: 44
        if you were lonely, you’ll probably stay. Of course, he is rotten, if you don’t see this, it remains, don’t feel sorry for you, but to understand that you have very few brains left.
        1. 0
          21 December 2013 22: 06
          Quote: kotvov
          if you were lonely, you’ll probably stay. Of course, he is rotten, if you don’t see this, it remains, don’t feel sorry for you, but to understand that you have very few brains left.


          But you should first respectfully address a person whom you do not know.
          Secondly, I didn’t know that you are a measuring device of the human brain. If you yourself turned on the brain, you would understand what my comment was!

          Needless to say, but our losses were really terrible. And the question of who is to blame here is purely rhetorical ...


          But what should I answer? Is Stalin to blame? or Beria? Well, there was no Hunchback with EBN at that time (well, thank God), there remains a rotting West, which is also vile
      2. +5
        22 December 2013 00: 00
        The West has decayed long ago, if it had not been for the collapse of the Union, there wouldn’t have been 20 states. The collapse of the Union delayed the collapse of the Western system.
        The US ambassador in the early 90's admitted in an interview that they had saved billions of dollars because people, for the sake of 100-500 bucks, were carrying all the documentation from factories. The embassy was forced to 3 times increase the number of attaches to deal with documents!
        And now we figured out and use our scientific achievements.
    12. +18
      21 December 2013 12: 58
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Needless to say, but our losses were really terrible. And the question of who is to blame here is purely rhetorical ...

      Lev Bronstein’s gang during and after the Civil War is to blame. Nikita Khrushchev, a Stakhanovite of purges whom Stalin personally abducted, removed by means of meagerness or cunning from Ukraine unwanted people, and after 20 years he blamed Stalin for this.
      Stalin was one of the first to understand the utopianism of the world revolution and re-aimed at building a strong union state. In contrast, the chairman of the Comintern-Lev Bronstein (Trotsky), supported by relatives in US banking circles, pursued a cosmopolitan policy aimed at turning the fragments of the Russian Empire into a raw materials appendage of the West. The groups of Stalin and Trotsky were approximately equal in strength. Therefore, Stalin did not even begin to risk conducting an open trial over him, but simply squeezed him out of the USSR. And only after that he was able to begin trials of his supporters. Most of these defendants themselves had hands to the elbow in their blood and did not particularly deserve sympathy. Although there were innocent victims, the more zealous performers such as Khrushchev, Yezhov and others, who later, trying to wash off innocent blood, blamed their crimes on Stalin, were to blame for their conviction.
      According to the article: Many thanks to the author for the tremendous work on the historical material and its analysis. And that is already sick of the ridiculous Livanovsikh and Medvedev's remarks about the "bloody Stalinist regime", even if they bother to read history.
      1. +14
        21 December 2013 13: 27
        LADIES have no time to read, he solves great things in the "iPhone". Stalin, on the other hand, had a large library and read a lot.
        1. +11
          21 December 2013 13: 30
          Quote: ivshubarin
          LADIES have no time to read, he solves great things in the "iPhone". Stalin, on the other hand, had a large library and read a lot.
          Stalin also has a lot of works written - there is a whole collection of works, but how many works are written by DAMS
          1. +4
            21 December 2013 13: 37
            They will write for him, now for grandmothers at least scientific work will be dismantled
            1. +3
              21 December 2013 13: 39
              Quote: ivshubarin
              They will write for him, now for grandmothers at least scientific work will be dismantled
              He doesn’t even have enough minds about it, maybe his wife will ever tell me ...
              1. +6
                21 December 2013 13: 43
                The question is what can he write. As I changed belts, I reassigned the police, about whatever Skolkovo was. Limited person. And how he won the war against the Georgians
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          3. +4
            21 December 2013 15: 17
            Quote: svp67
            But how many works are written by the hand of DAMS

            Read twitter lol
            1. +5
              22 December 2013 00: 06
              Yes, Twitter is VERY SERIOUS and SUBSTANTIVE WORKS, maybe even a Nobel will be given !!!
          4. Current 72
            +2
            22 December 2013 01: 50
            In general, how many works have been written, as LENIN and STALIN wrote their works, by modern leaders. They only know how to talk and live at the expense of the people.
        2. +5
          21 December 2013 14: 37
          And he made the country the most reading in the world!
          1. +7
            21 December 2013 16: 26
            and defeated corruption, not just the current hollow holes!

            Many dishonest businessmen enjoyed using the fact that at the end of the NEP in the country complete devastation reigned. By modern standards, this will seem surprising, but then, they were defeated quite quickly. Many people think that Stalin simply took and shot all the bribe takers. In fact, corruption was neutralized by a whole system of measures that concerned everyone in the state, despite the “high” ties and position in society. Even relatives of a corrupt official were brought to justice, who did nothing to identify the criminal. Even those who heard out of the corner of their ears but did not report that someone was taking bribes or was involved in other illegal cases were brought to trial.

            In those years, they uncovered a series of crimes in the field of ministries, commanders and enterprises.
            The most high-profile cases of that time:
            “Bread business” - a whole gang was caught, led by the head of Rosglavkhleb Mikhail Isaev. They satisfactorily lived on kickbacks from trusts, to which deficit was written out without delay. The leader and especially close associates received 25 years with complete confiscation.
            The case of the “weavers” - then they plundered thousands of rubles on 180 fabric that was intended for sewing workwear.
            There was also the case of the “musicians" - then the gang started production of music records from stolen powder.
            Stalin was well aware that the fish rots from the head. And they began to clean corruption from Moscow.
            A wave of “weaving”, “wine”, “bread”, “musical”, “tobacco” and other matters swept across the country.

            Then, following the example of Moscow, the whole country declared war on corruption.
            1. +8
              21 December 2013 16: 34
              There was also a case of the theft of royal treasures in the State Security, Stalin first forced the "high-ranking thieves" to return everything and only then shot
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            3. +9
              21 December 2013 18: 32
              I will add, a significant number of prisoners sat for sabotage. Let me explain, sabotage is a hidden opposition to the implementation of something. That is, during the industrialization, there were a large number of managers who simply did not care about fulfilling the instructions given. If Stalin could not cope with sabotage, industrialization would not have happened, and the Second World War would not have won.
              If you go back to our time, then all the orders of the "guarantor" (for example, his May theses) are sabotaged by the government in an elementary way. During Stalin's time, the entire staff of the current government would have learned to fulfill their functions in a timely manner by throwing ore in the Kolyma, and the new staff would have performed everything exactly and on time.
              So judge when there was more order, then or now. Who was able to defeat corruption, and who is only talking about the fight against it.
              Scolding Stalin is easy. But if you draw a parallel with our time, doesn’t it seem to you that now, just like then, the majority of the population would have supported open processes against corrupt officials such as Serdyukov, Ignatenko and Co.
              Yes, only in our time there is no political will for this: either the time has not come, or the leadership is wrong, or ...
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            5. Fedya
              0
              21 December 2013 23: 17
              That you dear from the Komsomol truth tore off! About three weeks ago it was written.
        3. +2
          21 December 2013 20: 52
          Stalin read a lot, in his library almost all books and brochures have notes!
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      3. -16
        21 December 2013 14: 04
        it’s not for you to name the creator of the Red Army and one of the organizers of the October Revolution, Comrade Trotsky.
        The role of GREAT STALIN in the revolution and in the Civil War is modest simply because his time then it hasn’t come yet
        Ignorance and rudeness is not an argument.
        Article worthy. It remains only to regret that in history the great personalities are very often like two bears in the same den. Destroy or displace each other. Imperfection of human nature
        1. 11111mail.ru
          +1
          21 December 2013 18: 25
          Quote: RoTTor
          the creator of the Red Army and one of the organizers of the October Revolution, Comrade Trotsky.

          In the early years of Soviet power, the PR was called simply: the October Revolution. Why did your comrade shoot Alexei Mikhailovich Schastny?
        2. +4
          21 December 2013 21: 25
          Trotsky came to Russia in July 1917, and on his orders the organizer of 1 Horse Comrade was shot. Dumenko and killed Comrade Shchors
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    13. +11
      21 December 2013 15: 07
      Needless to say, but our losses were really terrible. And the question of who is to blame here is purely rhetorical ...


      Of course, rhetorical. Hitler and his Western sponsors. The USSR became the only country that could withstand full-blown Hitler’s blitzkrieg. It was impossible to restrain this ideal war machine in a different way. Other countries could not bring such sacrifices and fell. But Russia was able to.
      1. +5
        21 December 2013 16: 29
        The Nazis had the goal of destroying the Russians as a nation, in the conquered countries of the West they behaved differently
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    14. +9
      21 December 2013 16: 31
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Needless to say, but our losses were really terrible. And the question of who is to blame here is purely rhetorical ...

      The total losses of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War are about 28 million people. Of these, soldiers killed at the front - about 7,6 million people. 1,7 million more soldiers died in German captivity, which already says a lot about the German attitude towards prisoners. But the rest, in the majority of cases (with the exception of the partisans) - non-combatants - peaceful people. And them - an absolute majority. And it was not Stalin who shot them, hung them, burned them alive ...
      Was the leadership of the USSR responsible for the 1941 catastrophe? Yes, definitely. That's the guide. But atrocities in the territory occupied by the Germans are another question, which relates to Stalin very remotely.
    15. Candy wrapper
      0
      21 December 2013 18: 37
      Now, listen to an intelligent person, it will become clearer where such losses come from:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN00lfZZWb4
      View all entries with it.
      1. -1
        22 December 2013 13: 46
        Is that your authority? This is not the grandfather who said that the Caucasians in the Second World War ran up and hid and the Russian boys immediately in line at the draft board stood in long lines?
        For me, my grandfather just bought it and asked to speak on camera with the prepared heresy, of course, for the good and to strengthen the friendship of the peoples of Russia ..
        1. Candy wrapper
          0
          22 December 2013 21: 55
          Do not judge other people by yourself.
          Grandfather is telling the truth, there would be more such people.
    16. +10
      21 December 2013 19: 05
      was he bad then why love Him so much ??? soldier
    17. +3
      21 December 2013 19: 06
      Well, of course, if you were the commander in chief, there would be no loss. why were you born so late. ,, everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side ,,
    18. +2
      21 December 2013 20: 18
      how much blood is on Trotsky’s hands, and he was not a communist ...
      1. 11111mail.ru
        +1
        22 December 2013 16: 13
        Quote: vezunchik
        how much blood is on Trotsky’s hands - and he was not a communist

        how to understand you? Put questions correctly, less rhetoric. Trotsky was a communist, was. And there is a little less blood on it than on Hitler.
    19. 0
      21 December 2013 20: 18
      how much blood is on Trotsky’s hands, and he was not a communist ...
    20. ekzorsist
      +1
      21 December 2013 21: 59
      Losses could have been even greater if not for the dictates.
      At that point in time, in none, I repeat, in none of the states of the world there was even a hint of any kind of "democracy". Take the same USA, in addition to military losses, there were also "peaceful" losses - the times of the Great Depression, the same period was in Great Britain ..., and the destruction, precisely the destruction of their peoples there was carried out at a full scientific and technical level.
      And it was the only ones who benefited from World War II were just the USA and Great Britain, neither Europe, nor Germany, namely they.
      And Stalin understood this perfectly and tried by all possible means to delay this bloody war.
      So what can you blame him for? In repression? Yes, at that time it was simply not possible to reconcile the people in a country in which everything had already come to the "handle", when a brother fought with a brother, a son with a father ... And being kind at that time did not mean being kind. A clear and strict order was needed, which could only be achieved - to separate the warring parties ... And how can we now state the facts, this was done quite successfully and with a huge margin of safety, if even now, more than 20 years after the deliberate collapse of the USSR, the country still EXISTS !!! Even if only in the minds, but she lives. So all is not lost ...
    21. pawel1961
      0
      21 December 2013 22: 29
      let's drop the rhetoric. "general". who? is it to blame?
      1. 0
        22 December 2013 16: 27
        Quote: pawel1961
        let's drop the rhetoric. "general". who? is it to blame?

        Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Morgan, they needed the world war, the pope as always in the center of events, not for nothing he is the head of the Church of Antichrist.
        Here is an incomplete list of perpetrators.
    22. +1
      22 December 2013 00: 38
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Needless to say, but our losses were really terrible. And the question of who is to blame here is purely rhetorical ...

      everything is known by comparing the loss of population during the class struggle and the repressions, as it were, are known, but the statistics are silent about the millions who died in the democratic period: interstate clashes in Russia, the wars in Chechnya and Dagestan, losses from terrorist attacks, losses in property wars, dead drug addicts, alcoholics, frozen homeless, suicides. The decomposition of society. So who is guilty of these repressions against their own people personally, probably this is Yeltsin and his followers.
    23. +1
      22 December 2013 01: 16
      And my grandfathers went through the whole war from and to what, did not complain that they were used as cannon fodder. One grandfather even passed a fine baht. Nothing to do with the movie of the same name. The second for the rest of his life had a splinter in his head. But they would gnaw at anyone's throat, who would say that Stalin is not a good person.
    24. DPN
      0
      22 December 2013 01: 20
      Quote: Kibalchish
      And the question of who is to blame here is purely rhetorical ..

      The losses were large, but thanks to these losses, we appeared, who are discussing here. And the glory of HIM, not the slaves of the Germans.
    25. +1
      22 December 2013 14: 44
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Needless to say, but our losses were really terrible. And the question of who is to blame here is purely rhetorical ...

      What's rhetorical here? Germans, French, Hungarians, Poles, Slovaks, and many others killed the Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs, etc. The culprits are in the West, the countries are criminals, the nations are murderers.
    26. 0
      22 December 2013 16: 15
      The question may be rhetorical for you, but the answer is unequivocal: Anglo-Saxons and Hitler grown by them.
    27. +3
      22 December 2013 17: 55
      Quote: Kibalchish
      And the question of who is to blame here is purely rhetorical ...


      These are exactly everyone knows until the last billion
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    29. +1
      23 December 2013 21: 28
      Kibalchish, I didn't minus, because I agree about the losses, although the figures are still different for different authors. I mean something else: if you read Mein Kampf, then the West and Hitler set the task of completely destroying the USSR, and Stalin said that if we do not build industry within the next ten years, we will be crushed. It was later, when Hitler got out of control, the "West" caught himself and was forced to cooperate with the USSR. So, we had a dilemma: either die under Hitler or die with a rifle in hand, but with a chance to win. Which is what happened.
    30. vober
      +1
      24 December 2013 11: 56
      Did you count it yourself or write from someone else's words?
    31. 0
      25 December 2013 17: 52
      Rhetorical in what vein? For example, I know from the standard course of history that the enemy is to blame for the losses, because he attacked our country. He killed not only Soviet soldiers, but also exterminated civilians. But I don’t know who was the culprit.
  2. +41
    21 December 2013 08: 28
    Happy Birthday, Joseph Vissarionovich.
    1. +35
      21 December 2013 08: 32
      For Stalin! drinks
  3. +7
    21 December 2013 08: 31
    It is enough to read Zakhar Prilepin's "Letter to Comrade Stalin" ...
  4. +25
    21 December 2013 08: 36
    Work is necessary, not a rally. Stalin.
    1. 11111mail.ru
      +1
      22 December 2013 16: 17
      Quote: Igor39
      Work is necessary, not a rally. Stalin.

      If this is a quote, then the quotation marks are not visible. And a reference, please, to a specific work of I.V. Stalin
  5. kaktus
    +18
    21 December 2013 08: 39
    "You can't see a face face to face,
    big is seen at a distance "
    what
    1. +7
      21 December 2013 08: 54
      I would add through the depths of centuries.
  6. +39
    21 December 2013 08: 44
    I personally don’t give a damn who is in power and what kind of system will be in the country. Let the pharaohs at least. But! If at the same time the country will really live and be built. If the simplest person can say, yes life becomes better every year. Under Stalin, this was and is a fact. Under the current liberals, scattered in gilded palaces and shouting about the great market, the country rots and crumbles every day. Ordinary people even become harder and harder to survive. And they say it will be even worse ...
  7. +10
    21 December 2013 08: 46
    Man! The present ones didn’t stand by. Although anyone who wrote a nito book about the return of Stalin, I would love to read it.
    1. torrr38_41
      +2
      21 December 2013 09: 58
      Loginov Anatoly Anatolyevich. Stalin's castling. SS.S.R.- 41 in the XXI century
      1. 0
        21 December 2013 15: 04
        I read the first two books. The third will be, interesting?
  8. ovokasi08
    +10
    21 December 2013 08: 47
    Happy birthday to you, Joseph !!!! Thank you for the victory !!!!
    1. +4
      21 December 2013 19: 51
      all the same, I think, Comrade Stalin, because you didn’t drink vodka with him, I think.
    2. Egor.nic
      -5
      23 December 2013 16: 43
      Thank you for the victory, you need to tell your grandfather, but Stalin did not go to battle and did not feed lice in the trenches and did not go to the attack under machine guns.
      1. +1
        23 December 2013 17: 03
        You want to say that Comrade Stalin was not on the front line? Stupidity or ignorance. What did he say to Comrade Zhukov when he asked him to move the Headquarters for the Urals? --- That's right, he offered him to put a bullet in the temple! "Comrade Zhukov, you have a service record ? I advise you to dispose of it properly! And I personally will lead my PERSONAL GUARD platoon into battle ... "I may be mistaken in the spelling, but the meaning of what I said was this!
        1. +4
          23 December 2013 17: 18
          Greetings fellow countryman. For stupid people who believe that Stalin was not at the front:
          Stalin appeared at the front often. He first went to the front in the terrible July of the 1941 year during the Battle of Smolensk. In early October, Stalin did not go under Maloyaroslavets, and in early November - on the Mozhaisk-Zvenigorod defense line. But the most dangerous of these trips was the one that took place in mid-November 1941 year.
          At that time, Stalin went to the 16 Army of General Rokossovsky, who was defending in the Volokolamsk direction. The purpose of the trip was to see the work of our already famous Katyusha. Stalin drove in two cars. The first in the motorcade was the Stalinist Packard. On this Packard, Stalin rode with two bodyguards. Another car was emka. Three security guards rode in it. A platoon of machine gunners escorted directly to the front motorcade, but this time the bus with machine gunners was considered a unmasking factor, and only a motorcade of two cars drove to the front line. Stalin left in two cars. The first in the motorcade was the Stalinist Packard. On this Packard, Stalin rode with two bodyguards. Another car was emka. Three security guards rode in it. A platoon of machine gunners accompanied the platoon directly to the front motorcade, but this time the bus with the machine gunners was considered a unmasking factor, and only a motorcade of two cars drove to the front line. Having fired a volley, Katyusha began to change position. However, on the snowy virgin soil, Packard Stalin sat on his belly. Katyusha immediately left after launch, but they all forgot about Stalin. Fascist shelling began, then the aircraft flew. Stalin moved to emka, but she soon got stuck. All her passengers, including Stalin himself, began to push her, but it was impossible to leave the Germans at that speed, and there were 4 kilometers to the highway. And then on the lane appeared 3 tank T-34-57. It was a tank platoon of Dmitry Lavrinenko. A few days earlier, the Katukovskaya Fourth Tanokvoy Brigade became the 1 Guards, and Katukov became the Major General. Lavrinenko himself received the rank of senior lieutenant that day, but had not yet managed to add a third dice to his buttonholes. Lavrinenko picked up the emka in tow, and the tank of senior sergeant Kapotov drove further into the field behind the stuck Packard, with whom one driver Krivchenkov remained.
          At that moment, the division of the German cavalry from the 1 SS cavalry brigade approached the place from where the Katyusha was beaten - the Germans could not use tanks and motorcycles because of deep snow, and therefore they had to use cavalry, which the Germans didn’t have a lot of current. However, the SS did not dare to communicate with Russian tanks, and watched the evacuation of cars from afar. If only the Fritz would know who they had missed! Soon, the entire cavalcade reached the Volokolamsk highway, and Stalin safely returned to the headquarters of the 16 Army, where he expressed gratitude to Captain Kirsanov without mentioning the incident in a word. Only after the war, participants and eyewitnesses began to tell about this story.

          http://www.opoccuu.com/kak-lavrinenko-spas-stalina.
          1. +1
            23 December 2013 17: 32
            Hi Roma! A man doesn’t know his story. He was hammered from the cradle that Stalin was a monster! It’s already impossible to convince. I don’t really like your flag on ava!
            1. +2
              23 December 2013 17: 39
              Den himself do not know what it is, I go out from my home computer, the flag is normal, from a worker-tang. And as for the youth, in the late 80s we were drummed about the "cult of Stalin's personality", "mass repressions", I even managed to read Solzhenitsyn at school in Mikun (the name is what speaks) and other crap, nevertheless, over time have seen the same. So they will eventually, and who was a fool, he will remain a fool, no matter how much you tell him. Something like this:

              As the way the weather in Syktyvkar.
              1. +1
                23 December 2013 17: 43
                Well, you really leaked me with all the giblets. Normal. -20 Today, by the way, 5 degrees
                1. 0
                  23 December 2013 17: 45
                  Lucky, and we have rain all day, only in the evening it freezes a little. Well, do not be offended, by the way you yourself said about your kindred roots. Are we going to Smolensk?
                  1. 0
                    23 December 2013 17: 50
                    If you are serious --- in PM we will discuss
          2. 0
            24 December 2013 11: 15
            fake.
            in documents 4 TBR about this not a word. Memoirs of veterans - silence
            Vlasik has not a word
            No one has a word about it.
            even small things, such as the T34-57 can be walked around, these tanks were not in the 41m in the 1 TBR
            Fegelain’s cavalry brigade (aka 1 SS cavalry brigade) was in the middle of November 41 in the Toropets V-Luka area, and did not observe Stalin beyond Volokolamsk
            Well, about the fact that they forgot everything about Stalin when the Katyushas left, that’s generally, any lieutenant half-educated knew that the Germans would immediately return fire at the place of the Katyusha volley, so they pulled off so quickly. Therefore, no one in their right mind even appeared near (a. So as not to find, b. So as not to fall under the answer)
            short nonsense and fairy tales
  9. +25
    21 December 2013 08: 49
    When they talk about comrade I.V. Stalin, I always remember this article
    http://www.nenovosty.ru/csaricyn.html

    Stalin's wonderful deed, which set his hearts in the Civil War, is not described, but, meanwhile, this noble, courageous deed can be calculated.
    In 1918, Stalin arrived in Tsaritsyn to engage in grain supplies. The bread commission, which he headed, was called Extraordinary, even the surviving plate in Volgograd at the Volgograd Hotel (the former Stalingrad, the former Slavyanskaya) recalls this.
    The situation in the north of Russia with bread really was awful, in cities the famine began. Bread deliveries are a true thing at all times and profitable, of course, aces of money crushed it.
    This is natural, it cannot be otherwise: do you really think that the sole individual from some Budzak steppes carried his miserable surpluses of fifty pounds of bread on a horse through all Ukraine and Russia to St. Petersburg? Of course not. The same wholesalers nukers would have broken his sides. As it is now in Moscow: try the peasant to enter the grocery market with his goods - he will see what his goods will immediately turn into. And how picturesque he looks, poured into the mud. Well, if the face is not broken into the blood. And the last horse will not be taken away. That is, they will take it away - if it comes a second time. Go to any Moscow market and see how it all works. Who is under whom, and from what height all this is supervised.
    So, all the wholesale grain trade at the beginning of the 20th century was crushed by cash aces. That is, since bread in the cities of Russia in 1918 was gone, hunger began, children began to swell, then bread could disappear only as a result of one single action - speculation of aces. For the bread to appear, a pro-Russian boss had to come. At least the middle arm.
    Who were these cash aces at the beginning of the 20th century? There is information. Although this information is not advertised, historians know that they will be happy to tell you on the sofa in the hallway of the Institute of History. Aces before the Revolution were called merchants of the first guild. 75% of the merchants of the first guild were Jewish. The remaining 25% were of different categories. Old Believers came across. But most of them were the so-called crosses - that is, the same Jews who put their fingers in a cookie and began to be baptized. The mentality of the Orthodox priesthood is such that even then they stood a mountain, inspiring everyone around that the crosses after the cookie had become Russian in psychology.
    The grain deliveries from St. Petersburg (then Moscow had not yet become the capital) the commissars tried to establish — or pretended to be trying. They sent different Perlmuthers with Zelikmans, but for some reason they didn’t succeed. What is surprising, because Leiba Trotsky-Bronstein himself took part in these grain speculations. As directly, it is not known, but as not directly - it is known. Trotsky from the south of Ukraine called his dad and appointed him director of one of the largest mills near Moscow. The place at that time is fabulous. It’s the same as being Yeltsin’s daughter under Yeltsin’s rule with a family from Abramovich in an atmosphere of mass looting of Russia. So Trotsky didn’t manage to establish grain supplies either. And the other Perlmuther also failed.
    Everything stopped in Tsaritsyno. And then Stalin arrived in Tsaritsyn - and soon a shaft of trainloads of bread surged into the starving children of the Russian cities.
    There was a reason why the inhabitants of Tsaritsyn wanted to rename their city not even to Stalin, and not to Stalin, but to Stalingrad. And this decision was made long before April 10 1925 year.
    1. +10
      21 December 2013 12: 45
      "Jews are an eternal infection brought from the banks of the Nile." (Heinrich Heine) Grandpa Stalin how we miss you soldier
      1. rate
        +7
        21 December 2013 13: 55
        If we wait, we will never wait. Exit: you have to become Stalin yourself.
      2. -6
        21 December 2013 15: 16
        Hang out with fresh vodka. There is nothing to blame on the mirror, since the face is crooked ...
      3. -1
        21 December 2013 15: 16
        Hang out with fresh vodka. There is nothing to blame on the mirror, since the face is crooked ...
  10. +6
    21 December 2013 08: 49
    Quote: Kibalchish
    Needless to say, but our losses were really terrible. And the question of who is to blame here is purely rhetorical ...

    And if you count how many loss of life during the dashing 90s .. (about financial and material is a separate issue) .. Now we are morally destroyed by our traditions and the worst souls of our children We are not ready for this again! angry
  11. +5
    21 December 2013 08: 51
    The USSR was never an "empire of justice", but it was a country with its own ideology and many positive aspects. What a pity that when we leave "socialism" we still use the old methods - "the whole world .... we will destroy, and then ...". We must return to the maximum a lot of positive things that we lost with the collapse of the USSR
    1. 0
      21 December 2013 13: 26
      "Empire of Justice" is a utopia. The imperfection of each of us has a cumulative effect within the state. The art of leadership is to minimize injustice.
      1. +3
        21 December 2013 13: 29
        Maybe utopia, but it’s better they didn’t come up with anything yet
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      3. rate
        +7
        21 December 2013 14: 00
        Quote: Orik
        "Empire of Justice" is a utopia. The imperfection of each of us has a cumulative effect within the state. The art of leadership is to minimize injustice.

        Under Stalin, labor motivation was at the highest level. Why? Because under him, the Marxian principle was realized "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work." Khrushchev first of all stopped this and made an equalization. And in order to forget, he tried to hurt Stalin's name as much as possible, so that everything good that was with him was associated with evil. Including the rise of the national economy after a terrible war.
    2. +2
      22 December 2013 00: 21
      You tell Abramovich, Deripaska and others that they simply don’t know that they accidentally took possession of the country’s creation for 70 years, they will immediately return everything! In Yaroslavl, more than 25 people worked at the motor during the union, now (YaMZ under the paw of Deripaska) less than 000!
    3. 0
      22 December 2013 12: 11
      No country is an "empire of justice".
  12. +10
    21 December 2013 08: 51
    Yeah. To force the consumer to become a selfless creator in the conditions of the imposed liberal ideology and the democratization of everything and everyone, here, perhaps, no "sparing" measures with an eye to the world community will work. Iosif Vissarionovich was right. Sometimes doctors also hurt so that it doesn't hurt anymore. And when the disease is neglected, then one cannot do without amputation, otherwise complete decay and death.
    1. +10
      21 December 2013 11: 46
      Painfully done quite rightly. Somehow I had to talk to a retired KGB officer. They talked about the 30s. Sand in machines, metal shavings in flour, sugar in gas tanks of cars, etc. - all this is true, documented facts. Wrecking in those years caused significant damage and subversive anti-Soviet activity was carried out in full. So punishments for this were necessary. Without overcoming the resistance of anti-Soviet forces, the country would hardly have risen to its feet.
  13. +4
    21 December 2013 08: 55
    The article is really good. Here, for example, articles about that time often appear in the Gudok railway newspaper, at first they described the education system, after a while about the creation of consumer cooperation of that period, without any pathos and without frantic abuse. So it’s really what we had better Do not forget, many of the achievements of that time are much more effective than being adopted by the West now.
  14. +16
    21 December 2013 08: 55
    In no country in the world do they characterize the activities of their former leaders in one color - white or black. In Russia, the liberal part of our society is climbing out of skin in order to further discredit the name of Stalin, to belittle his role in the formation of the country. Liberals forget that today they are "pumping" their billions from the industry built by the Soviet people, headed by Stalin. And the tighter they stuff their pockets with money, their howl becomes more viciously more malicious! And most importantly, it is still unknown if our country would be on the planet if it were not for Stalin to organize and lead the resistance of our people against the Germans before the Victory. Monuments to Stalin should be in Russia. And if the citizens living in Volgograd wish to revive the glorious name of Stalingrad.
    1. +9
      21 December 2013 09: 06
      Quote: Ivanovich47
      And if the citizens living in Volgograd wish to revive the glorious name of Stalingrad.

      To do this, the residents of Volgograd need to know the truth about why their city was called Stalingrad, and did not believe in the tales of the liberals that “Stalin imposed his own personality cult, and literally stood with a pistol behind every writer = poet-artist to be praised ! "
  15. -13
    21 December 2013 08: 58
    Stalin is a classic monarch! "Sovereign" by Montaigne.
  16. +11
    21 December 2013 08: 58
    Great Leader for Great Power !!!
    1. Current 72
      +2
      22 December 2013 02: 08
      This is even his enemies claimed !!!
  17. +12
    21 December 2013 08: 59
    Stalin's managers
    http://rufact.org/blog/2011/jul/1/stalin-managers-please-leader/
    In the summer of 1944, this man wrote a statement with a request, sending it personally to Stalin - the lower authorities did not even want to listen to him, answering not at all out of heartlessness: "You have already done everything you could. Rest."
    Why they refused, you can understand from the text of the statement.

    This Man, Hero of the Soviet Union, wrote to Stalin that he was morally ill and asked to help him. Than?

    Be sure to read this statement, a copy of which was stored in the archives of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Belarus, it was declassified and published recently .....................
    And I.V. Stalin helped him!
    And, as the author of the article rightly writes, "This is the head of the country, when his country lived in huts and dugouts, he walked in worn-out boots and ate from the soldiers' canteen, and he gave all the proceeds from published works to scholarships to talented students and awards to creators."
    1. +1
      22 December 2013 00: 25
      An article about this letter was on our website.
  18. +18
    21 December 2013 09: 03
    Mortgage in the Stalinist style, 1946
    "I found an interesting resolution of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR dated August 25, 1946" On increasing wages and building dwellings for workers and engineers and technicians at enterprises and construction sites located in the Urals, Siberia and the Far East "........ ....
    Individual houses for them were offered at a price:
    8 thousand rubles for chopped two-room with a kitchen;
    10 thousand rubles for chopped three-room with a kitchen or stone two-room with a kitchen;
    12 thousand rubles for a stone three-room apartment with a kitchen.
    Conclusions:
    1) Stalinist salary in 1947: for the annual salary of the average worker, engineer, employee of the Urals, Siberia, the Far East, you can buy a house.
    2) Mortgage in Stalin's style in 1947: a loan for the full cost of housing for 12 years at 1% per annum.
    By the way, I’m sure that over the past 18 months no one has built 50 individual houses for the workers and engineers of the Urals, Siberia and the Far East - this is the question of the low rate of Stalin's housing construction.
    http://ihistorian.livejournal.com/148357.html
    xxxxx
    Be sure to read the full! I think that many would like the current authorities to take care of people as well!
    1. faqs157
      +6
      21 December 2013 09: 33
      You are a naive person. The current authorities will never care about people; they care only about the size of their own pockets.
  19. +12
    21 December 2013 09: 06
    DRINK FOR HOMELAND, DRINK FOR STALIN

  20. Petrhabra
    +2
    21 December 2013 09: 10
    Hmm, the article is good, but all such articles about Stalin remind me of a PR company. Probably the situation in society is such that people cannot objectively judge his personality. For me personally, this is a person like any figure of a historical scale woven from contradictions. On the one hand, he was able to best direct the forces and resources of the great Russian people in accordance with the current situation. He did not allow Zionism and others like them to use Russia to create a world revolution. And his personal example of asceticism is an unattainable height for modern political leaders. But on the other hand ... The blood of the people she remained, the blood of the Russian people. In particular, my ancestors were loaded into a carriage and sent from the Kuban to the Far East (Cossacks). The question of how many people were killed and imprisoned and how much is his personal fault is very difficult. At least he knew about these victims and, therefore, was also guilty of them. But for people of its scale, measurements are not permissible for ordinary people. He thought in completely different categories, categories of society, of the state. But if one poses the question whether he was good or bad, then he’s rather good and good, like Peter Alekseevich, Fike, Ivan the Terrible. But now such a person would not hurt, because the GDP within the state can restore order and may or may not want to. And for any person, and even his opponent, Stalin - The order with a capital letter.
    1. faqs157
      +5
      21 December 2013 09: 26
      You don’t agree on something, but why were there relocation and repression? You know? Maybe among these people the mood of unrest was walking. He did not resettle all nations, but only some. So I would not write down the relocation in the negative until I have been shown reliable data on the cause thereof. With repression as well.
    2. +20
      21 December 2013 09: 29
      Stalin was not contradictory - it was a WHOLE MONOLITH-HUMAN. During the repression of 37-38gg. read at least V. Karpov — he put everything on the shelves there: who, when, why, and Stalin’s reaction. My grandfather was also repressed in 36, but to him, an ordinary soldier of the Red Army, at 42 when the country was bleeding on The Volga and the Caucasus were cured of lip cancer. He died in 98 - cried and swore, seeing what they were doing with the country and the people. His words: remember, grandson, is better, more honest and fair than when I did not live in STALIN ...
      1. +8
        21 December 2013 18: 01
        I will join. My uncle is dispossessed. Fully dispossessed, the whole family. Where to go further. But he always spoke and still speaks while he is alive: if there were Stalin, he would only vote for him.
        Happy birthday, Vissarionitch!
  21. Fedya
    +3
    21 December 2013 09: 13
    At the beginning of publicity, when a wave of Stalinist revelations swept away from all the crooks of unknown origin and legal nationality, as a schoolboy I asked my father what he thought about this. He answered me: When in a short time they rush from one extreme to another, choose the middle! That is, Stalin was also a dictator (without this it is impossible in Russia), and at the same time, he did a great deal for the people (educational program, sanatoriums, social security system, etc.). So we won’t sing praises, but we will remember with a kind word!
    1. Rusich51
      +5
      21 December 2013 09: 42
      Fedya
      I agree with you that no one needs to sing praises, but they simply must recognize the achievements of the USSR. Industry has managed to create the conditions for space exploration, science has given mankind the greatest achievements. The common words of the time are the reading nation. Does people read now, and if they read what?
  22. faqs157
    +10
    21 December 2013 09: 16
    Everyone around us blows on how “good” democracy I can say what I think. Even if you are a scumbag, you bastard and a scoundrel and say absolutely nasty things. For example, I don’t want to listen to those, but it’s worth turning on the TV set. Everywhere they see a normal program with a smart, decent presenter and interlocutors, it’s almost impossible to find on weekends on weekdays.

    Market, market, Market, and what’s good in it, look at the USA. The rich are getting richer, the niches are impoverished, and what good is it if someone has not noticed in Russia the same tendency is outlined. At least I kill, but I do not want to become a slave to capital. Why the director of an enterprise is better than a worker. The fact that someone was robbed at one time or just who needed to be licked deeper.
    In Soviet times, the Z \ P director of the enterprise did not differ from the Z \ P worker more than 3 times. Now what?


    EEEEEhhh Stalin on them is not ... The bright memory of a great man.
  23. -10
    21 December 2013 09: 16
    How easy it is to manipulate human consciousness with one word in a positive way, and right in front of people’s eyes, the kingdom of heaven built on earth is deceived after all so someday
    1. +2
      21 December 2013 21: 52
      Sorry, but stupidly comparing the post-war Union and our country, we have never won, do you want to say it to do with it?
  24. -2
    21 December 2013 09: 21
    Stalin is an absolutely ambiguous personality. On the one hand, industrialization, national upsurge, achievements and records, victory in the Second World Plus, as a result, the creation of the Soviet empire and the corresponding bloc.
    On the other hand, repression, famine in the early 30s, losses in the Second World War, overheating of both foreign and domestic policies, which is inevitable with the prevalence of forceful decisions.
    However, I see the biggest negative of his rule not in the fact that there were repressions and famine - they affected a relatively small part of the population and of course not population losses - in the end, the post-war devastation was overcome and the country was restored. The main negative was in the negative impact on the state elite, which no longer wanted a new autocrat on the throne and, accordingly, did everything so that a sole, strong hand that would keep everyone at bay would not appear. This resulted in the exposure of Khrushchev, then in his "overthrow" and took completely finished forms during the reign of Brezhnev.
    1. +4
      21 December 2013 12: 20
      Quote: clidon
      The main negative was the negative influence on the state elite, which no longer wanted a new autocrat on the throne and accordingly did everything so that the sole, strong hand that would keep everyone in fear did not appear.

      The problem is that Stalin wanted to make the government in the country really SOVIET. Those. tried to remove the party from the leadership of the country, leaving behind it only ideology. For this and killed.
      1. +2
        21 December 2013 12: 48
        Vasya (4)
        Stalin wanted to make the government in the country really SOVIET. Those. tried to remove the party from the leadership of the country, leaving behind it only ideology ...


        You forgot to add "leave IDEOLOGY and FRAMES for the party.
        Without the arrangement of cadres, their control, and the ideology of the party through them, power is impossible.
        Without control and without the arrangement of cadres, control of ideology does not make sense; it will degenerate into a liberal-bourgeois type of the current one.
      2. +1
        21 December 2013 14: 59
        What Stalin wanted or did not want, perhaps he knows only - the rest is already given by numerous (you’ll be tired of how many there are now) interpreters of his actions. In fact, a tough hierarchical system turned out (in fact, the administration of the besieged fortress with a militarized society), where any boss could not be calm for his tomorrow. Today he is a hero, tomorrow his wife in prison the day after tomorrow he himself is on the bunk. Moreover, only the leader remains beyond jurisdiction and is ideal, for which, in fact, is the decision. It is he who conquers and reaches, rebuilds ... He is well done, the rest is his shadow. This ultimately ruined the management system when the generals and officials decided that such a life would be enough for them. It is necessary to look for some less exhausting ways of life and management. And did not find.
    2. +2
      21 December 2013 17: 34
      But apparently Gorbachev and Yeltsin are unambiguous personalities, lowered the country below the plinth.
      1. 0
        21 December 2013 20: 20
        And that they praise them hard?
  25. Ash
    Ash
    +15
    21 December 2013 09: 24
    Under Stalin, high ranks could lose literally everything overnight in the event of theft and betrayal on their part, and under Putin, a certain ex-minister Anatoly Eduardovich Khalatny, inflicting losses on the country in billions (!) Rubles, lives quite comfortably and well and still falls under the amnesty So, dear comrades, when some shortsighted people start to sing to me "about the white bull", they say, "We were lucky with Putin ...", I impatiently ask: "Lucky - WHAT? US - who is this?" On the one hand, under the Alkash, everything was many times worse. But on the other hand, under the Alkash, there was a hope that, in the end, the power in the country would fall (in one way or another) into the hands of a true patriot. A patriot is akin to Stalin. And in the current situation. One should not dream of this, because the political system will not allow the proletariat to raise its head any high (clowns like Zyuganov do not count). Proceeding from this, a completely logical conjecture arises: “Is it not the oligarchy, instead of the people, defended by our dear presidents? "
    1. +7
      21 December 2013 11: 05
      As Nikolai I said "In Russia, only one person does not steal, and that's me!" There is nothing new under the sun ... I can not believe that people like Serdyukov do their dirty work themselves ... If they put them in, then they need to send hundreds of such thieves to Kolima, who are sitting in the Kremlin's office not only in the office ... It's the same with us, thief the country is ruled!
  26. +3
    21 December 2013 09: 26
    Eurasian Sphinx

    Wind stories over this grave
    Blowing and blowing with terrible force.
    Sphinx Eurasian Kremlin stronghold
    Keeps in her great secrets of Russia ...

    Leader and teacher of Soviet peoples,
    Expert on all kinds of party biases,
    Lenin eclipsed, and Trotsky executed,
    His supporters in the Gulag sharpened.

    Emigration crushed in operation "Trust",
    And the Eurasian ideas armed the USSR
    World revolution bowed her neck
    Before the Moscow lord.

    And steel Russia behind his back,
    Before the bewildered world rose a wall
    "Russian miracle" - cried Europe,
    And a fascist gang landed on Russia.

    Camp dust on his boots,
    Fascist banners in his legs,
    Stalin's cleansing "enemies of the people",
    And the stars of gold on the officer's uniform,
    and a toast: "For the Russian people!"

    Revolution tornado, he "devoured her children":
    "Cruel Age - cruel hearts",
    His Stalinist fire burns our hearts.
    Through the ages ...

    © Copyright: Victor Kamenev, 2013
  27. 0
    21 December 2013 09: 27
    Quote: Ash
    And in the current situation it is not necessary to dream about it, because the political system will not allow the proletariat to raise its head any higher (

    Well, at least someone understood this, otherwise they all call on Stalin as if in a spiritualistic session, as if only his appearance would change everything
    1. +7
      21 December 2013 09: 53
      Quote: saag
      all as if in a spiritualistic session call on Stalin, as if only his appearance would change everything

      ABOUT! And if there were .... Can you imagine what would have happened in the Kremlin? And what would happen to "individuals" like Novodvorskaya ... laughing
      1. -13
        21 December 2013 10: 08
        Yes, there wouldn’t be anything, one Stalin without a system is nobody at all
        1. +16
          21 December 2013 10: 26
          Quote: saag
          Yes, there wouldn’t be anything, one Stalin without a system is nobody at all

          Stalin is the creator of the SYSTEM, bad-good, but the SYSTEM, which only a PERSON can create ...
          1. -5
            21 December 2013 10: 30
            That's right, the personality, the system was created by Lenin, it was he who offered people tired of the war and everything else the model of the new system and people accepted it and did what they did.
            1. +13
              21 December 2013 11: 12
              Quote: saag
              system created by Lenin

              Lenin, with all due respect to him, as a historical person, has almost managed to create almost nothing. Yes, he stood at the "origins", he formulated an IDEA, and began its implementation ...
              But he created the SYSTEM namely IP, and SUCH what he saw.
              1. Current 72
                0
                22 December 2013 02: 25
                And remember the slogan: WE say LENIN, but we mean STALIN, WE say STALIN, and we mean LENIN !!! These are two giants, one started, and the second continued, the construction of the GREAT state.
          2. Egor.nic
            -4
            23 December 2013 16: 49
            There was no system; there was state terror.
      2. +2
        21 December 2013 11: 16
        Quote: Egoza
        ABOUT! And if it appeared.

        "If I get up, you will lie down"
  28. +10
    21 December 2013 09: 33
    The article is very good, especially against the background of the "de-Stalinization" of liberoids. No matter how they try to discredit the name of this Great Man, our people remember and honor him. It's nice that our youth too
    respects him, it means our future is secured. The article fully resonates with GASidorov's book "The Secret Project of the Leader", where the image of Stalin is portrayed very truthfully. I was lucky to be born and live under Stalin (I was a schoolboy when he died). With what love the front-line soldiers remembered him and how unashamedly the gray-haired veterans cried on the day of his funeral (in distant Siberia). "slop" on IV Stalin (Probably Khrushchev avenged his eldest son, who ran over to the Germans and was shot by ours)
    I join the forum users, plus an article and I congratulate everyone on the birthday of I.V. Stalin!
  29. +2
    21 December 2013 09: 33
    Quote: clidon
    Stalin is an absolutely ambiguous personality. On the one hand, industrialization, national upsurge, achievements and records, victory in the Second World Plus, as a result, the creation of the Soviet empire and the corresponding bloc.
    On the other hand, repression, famine in the early 30s, losses in the Second World War, overheating of both foreign and domestic policies, which is inevitable with the prevalence of forceful decisions.
    However, I see the biggest negative of his rule not in the fact that there were repressions and famine - they affected a relatively small part of the population and of course not population losses - in the end, the post-war devastation was overcome and the country was restored. The main negative was in the negative impact on the state elite, which no longer wanted a new autocrat on the throne and, accordingly, did everything so that a sole, strong hand that would keep everyone at bay would not appear. This resulted in the exposure of Khrushchev, then in his "overthrow" and took completely finished forms during the reign of Brezhnev.

    They wrote well .. plus you Everything was good and bad .. I'm not a fan of power (any) but I won't allow Stalin to be a monster and a paranoid! This is our great history, bloody, rushing and yet creative in a short period to unite peoples into a single whole to break the back of fascism (practically all of Europe "to restore the country to launch the first man into space (there are no such nations and countries in world history)
  30. jjj
    +5
    21 December 2013 09: 33
    Man is an era. His name cannot be erased from the people's memory.
  31. +10
    21 December 2013 09: 35
    Under Stalin there was order, people were afraid to break the law, I am silent about the bureaucrats, I’m immediately repressed and shot, and now the thick-mouthed stool jumps from position to post like a sparrow, there it’s shitting, it’s shitting, it’s been necessary for a long time!
    1. Ash
      Ash
      +12
      21 December 2013 09: 38
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      ... and now a thick-mouthed stool like a sparrow jumps from post to post, there it is shitting, then it is shitting, for a long time it has already been to the wall!

      Anatoly Khalatny - firstly, he fell under the amnesty, and secondly, his lawyer says that he can get acquainted with the materials of the case only in two months. Question: "Nafig do we need Mr. Putin, covering up the gagged bastard?" Answer: " Not needed".
  32. +7
    21 December 2013 09: 47
    I tried to tell the truth about Stalin on one forum, cited figures, quotes, excerpts from documents. smashed to smithereens an article in which the author was able to deduce as many as 3770000 "victims of repression" from an official reference of 21 convicted under political articles from 54 to 50000000 years. And zero result !!! Everything rested on - "Stalin is a tyrant, everyone knows that!" and there are a lot of such people ...
  33. +2
    21 December 2013 09: 56
    Understanding the essence of Stalin’s activity is given by his political testament, his work “The Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR” ( http://www.souz.info/library/stalin/ec_probl.htm ) In it, at the end of his life, he pronounced the death sentence on the Marxist doctrine: "... Our commodity production is fundamentally different from commodity production under capitalism." This was indeed so, since the tax and subsidy mechanism was oriented towards lowering prices as production increased in the super-state (systematic price reduction as production increased and demand was satisfied is a system-forming feature of the USSR economy, the repetition of which is impossible in any capitalist, feudal or other slave economy). And after the above phrase, JV Stalin continues: “Moreover, I think it is necessary to discard some other concepts taken from Marx’s“ Capital ”, ... artificially glued to our socialist relations. I mean, by the way, such concepts as “necessary” and “surplus” labor, “necessary” and “surplus” product, “necessary” and “surplus” time. ... We could tolerate this discrepancy until a certain time, but now the time has come when we must finally eliminate this discrepancy ”

    If the concepts mentioned by Stalin are removed from the political economy of Marxism, then little will remain of it, with all the consequences for Marxism. Along with the “surplus product” and so on, the mirage of “surplus value” that supposedly exists and which the exploiters appropriated, but which Stalin did not explicitly mention, will disappear. Stalin directly pointed to the metrological (measuring) insolvency of Marxist political economy: all of his original categories listed by him are indistinguishable in the process of practical economic activity. As a result, they are objectively not measurable. Therefore, they cannot be introduced into practical bookkeeping either at the enterprise level or at the level of the State Planning Committee and Goskomstat.

    The problems of the development of socialism in the USSR were the result of Marxism, and Stalin directly pointed to this in his will - the work "Economic problems of socialism in the USSR", and he pointed out without leaving the terminology and conceptual apparatus of Marxism. He did not say everything directly, because he understood that even at the end of his life, a direct opposition to Marxism would not have been understood and accepted in a crowd-elitist Soviet society in which the minds of people were still dozing in captivity of Marxist dogma and quotes.

    It is not necessary to think that Stalin did not understand the consequences for Marxism of the implementation of his proposal to reject concepts taken from Marx’s “Capital”; all the more, he could not fail to understand that the revision of Marxism, which he bequeathed to carry out, would not be limited to “Capital”: it is worth starting an revision of Marxism, and the methodological culture will be cleansed of Marxist errors.
    1. +3
      21 December 2013 14: 55
      Quote: Boris55
      at the end of his life he pronounced the death sentence on Marxist doctrine

      He did not pass any sentence, but he understood it better than many.
      Our commodity production is fundamentally different from commodity production under capitalism ... it is necessary to discard some other concepts taken from the "Capital" of Marx, ... artificially glued to our socialist relations
      Almost the same as what Engels wrote: what we now consider to be true in other political conditions should be recognized as false (I can only vouch for the meaning, since I am writing from memory). What does it mean? This means that history mathematics was written not BECAUSE human society developed in history exactly according to these laws, but FOR THE PROletariat to become imbued with the consciousness of the hegemon and take up arms. Diamat is written not BECAUSE there is no God and matter develops on its own, but FOR THAT doubters unite with unbelievers on the barricades, for believers will not kill their compatriots in order to live richer. In other words, "Marxism is not a dogma, but a guide to action." This is what Stalin understood clearly and correctly, in contrast to the dogmatic Marxists, who even today mumble about matter, how consciousness arises by itself from shit in evolution.
      1. -8
        21 December 2013 15: 08
        In Marxism, there is no measure of independence from the system. Marxism is built on lies. It is impossible to determine which product is surplus and which is the main one at the finished goods warehouse.

    2. -1
      21 December 2013 15: 02
      Quote: Boris55
      If the concepts mentioned by Stalin are removed from the political economy of Marxism, then little will remain of it, with all the consequences for Marxism.

      This is both in classical and quantum mechanics: the words are the same, but the concepts are completely different, since in the latter a new condition appears: c = invariant (the speed of light is constant relative to the observer). Because of this, mass, time, speed, and other basic physical concepts acquire a completely different meaning in quantum mechanics, not the same as Newton had, since the connections and relations between them change.
      1. -1
        21 December 2013 15: 14
        Quote: Stanislav
        ... the speed of light is constant relative to the observer ...

        In a dark room in one corner is a man with a candle. The light from the candle is not able to illuminate the far corner.
        A man walks with a candle into the far corner and the light from the candle illuminates him.
        Question: At what speed did the light from one corner of the room reach the other? laughing
        1. 0
          21 December 2013 16: 30
          Quote: Boris55
          How fast did the light from one corner of the room reach the other?
          If there was a vacuum in the sealed room, then c = 299792458 m / s. If not, you must enter the refractive index of the medium. But this speed does not exactly depend on the speed of the brow from corner to corner smile
    3. Yarosvet
      -4
      21 December 2013 18: 02
      Quote: Boris55
      In it, at the end of his life, he pronounced the death sentence on Marxist doctrine.

      What, Boris - are you again distributing the Kobov snowstorm, but are you pulling it out of context? laughing
      So, stealthily, the enemies of the people are working am
    4. luka095
      +1
      22 December 2013 12: 29
      Dear Boris55. Your point of view is clear. The whole question is that Stalin in his work analyzed the problems of building socialism in the USSR.
      In general, Marx analyzed capitalist society at the time of writing Capital. And he never analyzed the problems of socialism in the USSR. Therefore, in no way the problems of socialism in the USSR can be a consequence of Marxism. And Stalin in his work analyzed the problems that stood in practice. These problems were not investigated in Capital.
      Stalin did not revise Marxism - he worked out the political economy of socialism. As a practitioner and as a theorist!
      Then you write about the situation in physics. So, Einstein's theory does not cancel out Newton's theory. And it is not its revision - it is its development at a higher level of knowledge. As a rule, this happens in other areas of knowledge.
      1. 0
        22 December 2013 13: 43
        Quote: luka095
        Einstein's theory does not negate Newton's theory. And it is not its revision - it is its development at a higher level of knowledge.

        I have to argue that Einstein's theory precisely "cancels" Newton's theory. The fact is that Newton wrote his classical mechanics, being convinced that he did not invent hypotheses, but described the world as it REALLY IS, objectively, which, in fact, gave him the right to consider his teaching a theory. Now, from Einstein's point of view, the world COULD BE as Newton described it, IF it were not a relativistic constant (c = invar). Of course, three Newtonian laws, together with all classical mechanics, are suitable for describing and sufficiently (!) Accurate calculation of many physical processes. Just as the geocentric theory of Ptolemy was suitable for hundreds of years to describe and calculate many astronomical phenomena and processes. But Copernicus's heliocentric theory "abolished" it as a theory (transferred it to the category of pseudoscience), and did not become "its development at a higher level of knowledge." So it is with Newton. They continue to study it in schools, not because the world is arranged this way, but because the physical and mathematical tools of the partial theory of relativity are too complicated to use it to calculate all processes, especially since we are satisfied (for now!) With the accuracy of calculations, which provides a simple toolkit of classical mechanics in most cases when the speeds do not approach the speed of light in their values. By the way, after the astronomers adopted the new system of the world, for a hundred more years they continued to use the old instruments from the rejected theory in few cases, because it was simpler, more convenient for these cases and gave fairly accurate results. See: T. Kuhn. The structure of scientific revolutions.
  34. -6
    21 December 2013 09: 58
    Quote: Saber
    3770000 convicted

    Your paternal and maternal relatives fell into this number?
    1. +3
      21 December 2013 10: 05
      they worked honestly, they did not sell their homeland and did not steal, so no! And your? maybe their Soviet power offended obesity at the expense of others did not give?
      1. -2
        21 December 2013 10: 09
        do you know everything for sure? And usually they don’t like to remember about it. By the way, they were sent to the camp not only for some real crimes. But also simply because there, due to difficult working conditions, hunger and illnesses, there were simply not enough working hands, the famous article 58-10 could be hung up
        1. +5
          21 December 2013 10: 16
          they may not like yours, but mine simply remember (they remembered already ...) It was hard, yes! But they did not feel injustice. You are better than asking yourselves - you will look there and understand the reason for the insult to the authorities. And then, as an example, a friend’s grandmother went to prison for nothing! as it turned out later at the garment factory, I used cheaper threads instead of better ones - nowadays it’s a trifle! even a bracelet on the leg does not deserve. But no! also offended by the regime ...
          1. -4
            21 December 2013 10: 20
            Romanticism and idealization, what else can you say, living in captivity of pink dreams is certainly more convenient, a person believes in what he wants to believe in
            1. +1
              21 December 2013 10: 38
              I am a realist, not a knowledgeable optimist
      2. +1
        21 December 2013 23: 28
        And in your business this is to fatten at the expense of others ?! And why the fist for example had to share his work with someone? Here was a saying - a fist rises before dawn, a middle man with a dawn, and a poor man at lunch. In my opinion, this speaks for itself.
  35. VADEL
    -25
    21 December 2013 10: 15
    People of the Stalin era served the Motherland, society, created and created.

    In the camps and sharags of the Gulag as well.
    Material was not the main thing for them in life.

    The main thing was LIFE.
    The Stalinist USSR showed all of humanity the path to the future.

    DPRK with Kim Jong-un are the only ones stomping along this path. hi
    1. 0
      21 December 2013 10: 19
      and stomp, and the whole world keeps them by the throat for it!
    2. stranik72
      +6
      21 December 2013 11: 01
      "The DPRK with Kim Jong-un are the only ones walking along this path."
      Well, why show your own wretchedness, more on the Stalinist path of development China claims, adjusted for the time. In the USSR, the time of Stalin was including private cooperatives (small enterprises) and much more that is now being implemented in China. And during the time of Stalin, not a single politician was white and fluffy. Churchill, along with Hitler, was guilty of unleashing 2 mv, just as Jewish money also played the leading role here, one of the goals of both of them warriors (if not the main one) was to create a Jewish state. There is such an opinion, and a lot of facts indicate that this is the place to be. And yet, one of the politicians said that Khrushchev is the only one in the world who declared war dead (to Stalin) and lost it miserably. I wish our today's leaders (and in particular the iPhone) remember this. Stalin, he is Stalin, with all his actions, but he created a country and history that can be proud of even today.
      1. +3
        21 December 2013 12: 09
        You go to the other extreme. What is the Stalinist way in China? There is pure as a tear of capitalism, with billionaires and private corporations.
  36. +1
    21 December 2013 10: 20
    Quote: saag
    By the way, they were sent to the camp not only for some real crimes. But also simply because there, due to difficult working conditions, hunger and illnesses, there were simply not enough working hands, the famous article 58-10 could be hung up

    can you prove it with documents or just once again ruin the air?
    1. -4
      21 December 2013 10: 27
      Sir, talk politely, it’s customary with well-educated people, I don’t need to prove anything to anyone, what happened to my loved ones does not need any evidence
      1. +3
        21 December 2013 10: 32
        Tambov wolf to you sir! Another one of- "Stalin is a tyrant to me, and so everything is clear" favorite show - "Crooked mirror" guess?
        1. -1
          21 December 2013 11: 04
          Don’t make yourself Cassandra, it’s still bad
  37. Spring
    +8
    21 December 2013 10: 21
    Although I was born already in the Russian Federation, I know the period of the USSR and that time very well thanks to my great-grandmother and excellent teachers at school.
    Thanks to Stalin, on the other hand, for lifting the country from its knees, restoring industry, and taking it out of the deepest crisis. Then social elevators worked, now you can’t get out of the hinterland, even if you are a genius. Yes, they dispossessed my family, I was lucky that they didn’t send me into exile, but I didn’t hear evil words from generations who lived at that time.
    Regarding the Great Patriotic War, they fought with the Germans on equal terms. Just someone exterminated the civilian population, but someone did not. I still wonder how they did not destroy all of East Germany. But it is right that they did not; it is the prerogative of the impudent Saxons, not the Slavs.
    In general, Stalin did a lot for the USSR. If not for him, then I do not know what would have happened to us.
    1. +12
      21 December 2013 11: 12
      You can scold Stalin for anything but-he, and the Soviet regime was not beaten racist! They did not fight for "lebensraum" and did not exterminate the civilian population ... This is a shame for "civilized Europe"! As General Douglas McCarthyr said (and he is a fan of the USSR and Stalin will not name): "The barbarian came from the West, and the Russians were saved by civilization!"