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Revenues and inflation. Who will win? Part of 2

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Now let's get to the point. Let me remind you that we talked about such a thesis as "Inflation indicators have nothing to do with real price increases." The picture in the head of the average person begins to look like this:


Revenues and inflation. Who will win? Part of 2


First, let's deal with Rosstatovskaya inflation.

Official inflation in Russia in the 2009 year, according to Rosstat, was 8,4%. But after all, Rosstat is always lying about inflation. Everyone knows that real inflation is three times the official one. Only how do they know?

Practically in any materials on the subject of personal finance there is a warning: “Do not forget to take inflation into account in your calculations and plans”. The Russian sources added: "And remember that the official inflation figures should be multiplied by at least two." Very interesting wording "we all know": it immediately turns off the brain. No one wants to admit that he is an ignoramus - "but I do not know." I admit. I tried to find the source of the statement about “real inflation”, but the maximum that I managed to find was the Russians ’Levada Center poll. According to these data, almost half of Russians believe that prices are rising twice as fast as official inflation. It would be interesting to know how many of this half make up shopping lists before going to the store and keep detailed personal records? And those who do not, as determined by inflation? By the eye? Oh well.

The official inflation figures can always be checked - the calculation method is open. Score data in Excel and count yourself. But nobody gave the calculation of “real inflation” - it is suggested to take a word. Three times more - and no objections!

First of all, you need to understand that in principle there is no indicator of “real inflation”. Inflation, contrary to the general opinion, is not at all identical to price increases. In terms of personal finance:

Inflation - increase the amount of money needed to maintain a constant standard of living.

Spend more than before, it means - inflation. Key here "Unchanged standard of living". If you bought sliced ​​loaf for 9 rubles last month, and this went for bread with additives for 15 rubles, then this increase in expenses is not related to inflation.


Looking at the definition, it becomes immediately clear that the calculation of “real inflation” in the country is impossible, since Everyone has his own “unchanging standard of living”. You can only calculate the personal inflation rate of a particular person or the average for the country.

A couple of examples to illustrate (fictional numbers to calculate percentages without a calculator).

1. What is official inflation. The population of Moscow consists of three people: a pensioner, a student and a professor. The student travels every day to the university by metro, the retiree goes to visit the same metro (for example, to the same student), and the professor travels to work by car. A metro ticket cost 20 rubles, a liter of gasoline cost 30 rubles. Prices are rising: a ticket on the subway costs 25 rubles (+ 25%), a liter of gas costs 33 (+ 10%) rubles. Prices for everything else remained unchanged. The question is: what level of inflation will Rosstat publish? 17,5%. And now let's calculate “real inflation” by our definition: a pensioner - 0% (in Moscow, pensioners ride the subway for free), a student - 25%, a professor - 10%. Not a single person has increased the cost of spending did not coincide with the official inflation. Does it follow from this that Rosstat intentionally lies? What makes this difference? Due to the fact that consumer sets of people (living standards) consist of various services and goods. And if the set will be the same?

2. Inflation and rising prices. The population consists of two students who go to university on the subway. To the university from the subway have to get on the bus. One student lives near the subway, the second one has to get from the house to the subway by bus. A metro ticket cost 20 rubles, a bus ticket cost 25 rubles. Prices are rising: a ticket on the subway costs 21 ruble (+ 5%), a bus ticket costs 30 (+ 20%) rubles. Since the set of services for both students is the same, then the price increase for them will also be the same - 12,5%. Will inflation be the same for these two students? Check by definition.

First student expenses per day: metro 2 * 20 + bus 2 * 25 = 90 rubles. After the price increase: metro 2 * 21 + bus 2 * 30 = 102 ruble. Its inflation will be: 13,3%.

Second student expenses per day: metro 2 * 20 + bus 4 * 25 = 140 rubles. After the price increase: metro 2 * 21 + bus 4 * 30 = 162 ruble. Its inflation will be: 15,7%.

Official statistics again lying! The real inflation for each student was higher! Moreover, the inflation of two students is different, although the rise in prices was the same for them!

Here the difference is due to the different consumption patterns. Although both students use the same transportation services, the share of the bus in the costs of the second one is much higher, which means that their personal inflation is more affected by the price increase for the bus.

To summarize: the real inflation for each person is different, it depends on the set of consumption (list of goods and services) and on the structure of consumption (shares of various goods and services in human expenses).

Official inflation in Russia is considered to increase the cost of the consumer basket. I'm on 99% sure that if your spending structure coincides with the base basket, then your real inflation will coincide with the official one. If this is not the case, then look for a difference in the structure of your consumption.

Accordingly, the objectives of this article:

1) Carefully consider whether you can trust this indicator as the average salary.

2) Calculate inflation on food, utilities and non-food items.

3) Compare the growth rates of pensions and inflation rates.


Let's go in order.

The urgent question of whether or not it is possible to rely on the average values ​​of wages, incomes, pensions or not will now be considered what is called “from and to”. Namely:

a) we will divide all people who receive a salary into 10-percentage groups by income level, the first group with the lowest wages, the tenth with the highest, from the fourth to the seventh, the “middle class”;

b) then we will look at the average wages within these 10% groups;

c) we will do our simple calculations using the same method as before, that is, in physical units. Today, such a unit will be the same “Set”, but with a richer quantitative content.


So here here are the data of Rosstat, and the average salary for 10-percentage groups of the population. True, there is one incomprehensible problem for me, there are no data for four years 1999, 2008, 2010 and 2012, but there is a 2013 year, but this is not easier because Rosstat has not yet posted data on prices for products and tariffs Housing for 2013 year. Therefore, we will calculate the values ​​between years based on the arithmetic average of two digits:

1) arithmetic average from the average salary of a year to a missed and a year after; 2) is the average salary of the 10% group, multiplied by the percentage increase in the total average salary for the corresponding year.

For clarity, I present to you a summary table of average wages 10% groups by income level. Red color highlights calculated figures for the corresponding year. By the way, I sent the request to Rosstat for the missing numbers yesterday. As soon as the official data arrives, we will have the opportunity to compare them with what we did in one of my next publications.



To make a mistake in calculations will not work out in principle, since we have an upper limit in the form of data for 2008, 2011 and 2013 years, which the corresponding value of the previous year can not only overtake, but also greatly approximate, moreover, the arithmetic average wages 10% groups can not be much larger than the total average salary.

As we can see, the arithmetic average of the calculated years is no different from the numbers provided by Rosstat for other years.

Now we will create a new natural unit for salaries. It will consist of four parts;



In order not to “bathe” with price charts, I made for readers such a tablet with prices for goods and tariffs from 1999 to 2012. Convenient thing turned out, by the way. This is not demotivators to make and attach to the comments! Who understood, he understood.



Now it will not be difficult for us to calculate our salaries for each of the 10% groups separately in physical units and ultimately derive the growth rate for each of them.

Here is a graph of price increases for utility tariffs from a set.



And the schedule of growth of the cost of the remaining components of the “Set No. XXUMX”.



Now we will calculate the salaries of 10% groups in our unit. We will do this as follows, we will first deduct the cost of housing and communal services, and then we will divide the remaining amount by the amount of the remaining goods. The result is such a tablet. The number 0 means that the person "Went to minus" after payment of "communal".



Now let's take a closer look. Since there is no 1999 of the year in the Rosstat databases, we measure the ratio of the 2012 of the year to the 2000 for each group. Moreover, at the bottom of the table two lines are given for comparison: “The arithmetic average of the average wages of 10% groups” and “Average (total) wages”, the one that caused us so much controversy.

And what do we observe? The fastest of all, as much as in 22 more than once, the incomes of the poorest part of our population grew. In economics, this is called “Low base effect”because, due to this, the volume doubles quickly enough, but this, unfortunately, does not mean that we do not have poverty, it is, there is also poverty. In 1992, 33,5% of the population were below the poverty line, that is, they received incomes below the subsistence minimum. The next leap in poverty level followed the “default” of 1998 of the year. The gradual decline in the number of low-income groups began in the 2000 year. According to the latest data, by the year 2012 the poverty level has dropped to 11%.

As for the other groups, the salaries of the second 10% group grew more than four times slower. Further, the growth rate decreases, and the richer the group, the slower the growth.

The “middle class” is highlighted in red (please do not confuse with the well-known concept of the middle class in society). Revenues of 60% of the population grew fairly evenly and grew from 3 to 4 times, then for this group the average growth rate relative to 2000 was derived, it was 3,5 times. Immediately I draw your attention to the fact that about the same growth rate and the "average (total) wages," which, in my opinion, removes all the questions about the objectivity of the average. To those who doubt, I propose to recalculate all the years in the same way in order to determine the error. And that's not all: the average salary 80% of the population is about 19,5 thousands of rubles, and the spread of salaries is in the interval between 11 and 30 thousands, respectively, so, gentlemen, let's stop "Chew snot" and tell fairy tales “about a neighbor with a chicken and a hungry favorite, who according to statistics has to be half a hen, or post pictures with something like this:



It can be concluded that average wages or incomes can be used as a parameter to calculate real wage growth, that is, the average does not mean that the majority of the population receives such an amount, but only shows how much or how much our income has increased in comparison with in any other year as a percentage or share.

For those who have forgotten, misunderstood or read my articles for the first time, let me remind you that since we carried out calculations based on real prices for each specific year, you should not leave angry messages like the one sent by the user in the comments hitech

hitech

“Where are the inflation statistics? She eats all your laudatory remarks on time. "


Now let's talk separately about inflation. Now we already have on hand a price for "Set # XXUMX" in real prices by year, and it does not cost us to calculate inflation for each of the years, so we do, but for greater clarity, we divide it into three parts: 1) food inflation; 2) housing and utility rates inflation; 3) general inflation "Set No. 3"which includes the first two parameters plus transportation costs and non-food inflation.

So, we look.



As can be seen from the graphs, the real increase in prices for everything and everyone was just at the beginning of 00-x, and not now, as many have shown on forum sites with foaming at the mouth, and this equally applies to all areas, including Housing and communal services. Another question is how decent those HOAs that serve us and are directly related to our receipts for payment. During my student years, I changed the order of ten to fifteen rented apartments, and I was not lucky a couple of times, I was on the price-quality ratio, but in most cases the price for using the benefits of civilization was not too high, but since the mess in the housing and utilities sector is truly worthy brutal critics, and all, from the municipalities to the relevant federal agencies, I will not use in the comments "This is a kid-contempt, pronounced solely after spitting through his teeth and curling his mouth;" And you, damn it, prove it! "have agreed Normal?

Now I propose to combine the terms of "Set No. XXUMX" with the goods remaining at my disposal, and then calculate the average inflation of a new set. There we will add clothes and shoes. Here is a price tag.



And now we will construct the schedule.



The situation no longer seems so unstable, in fact, comments are superfluous, we have been slowly but surely mowing inflation for ten years now, and have reduced it from 21% in 2000 to 5,5 in 2012, the same applies to food (from 50% to 10% ) and utilities (from 63% in 2001 to 9-10% in 2012).

And now the main graph of this entire article, namely the ratio of inflation, wage growth and pensions. We will equate them to the “3“ Set Inflation ”, since it is not diluted with things that we buy less often than once a month.
or even a year.

As can be seen from this graph, the government managed with varying success to keep the growth of pensions and wages higher than the rate of inflation. The graph clearly shows the crisis year 2008 and 2009, when, during financial chaos, Russia was the only one in the world raising pensions, while wage growth sank heavily, and most likely also stagnated for a long time. Also on the graph it is clearly seen that since 2001, the growth rate of wages goes at a level that compensates for inflation, slightly exceeding it.

As for the writers, who at every corner shout about the fact that officials lie about inflation in 6-10%, and she, in fact, hangs at the level of 25-30%, then in January 2013 of the year Rosstat confirms inflation in 6,6% in 2012 year. Our 2012 indicator of the year fully coincides with the official release of the department.



As you can see, in the 2011 year, according to our calculations, inflation exceeded the official level by 4% and on 3% the same parameter for 2010 year, for the remaining years the discrepancy is from 1-3%. In any case, the magnitude of inflation today is not as great as many ardently prove on the fingers, but it must be admitted that inflation rates also differ from region to region. In addition to this, the prices of various goods are also growing unevenly, which gives tremendous opportunities for all-propals to speculate on this topic and to compile various demotivators. True, Yarosvet?

Conclusions:

1) The average salary level is an objective indicator for estimating the general growth of household income.

2) Over the period of 1999-2012, the growth of wages and pensions was generally higher than the average inflation rate of food (separately) and utilities (separately), except for the period 1999-2005, where the inflation of utility tariffs was significantly higher.

3) For the entire period from 1999-2012, the growth of pensions and wages did not fall below the average inflation rate (with the exception of 2009 for wages).

4) Official data of agencies on average annual inflation do not significantly differ from inflation in a single food and housing area.

5) The real growth of salaries in the Russian Federation in 2012 year relative to 2000 for 80% of the working population was 3-4 times, for 20% of people with the lowest earnings this growth was from 5 to 20 times.

6) In the Russian Federation, there is a noticeable stratification of the population by income, since the gap between the two 10% groups with the highest wages and the average “middle class” salary is 2,5 and 5 times, respectively.

7) The increase in pensions over the period from 1999 to 2012 was approximately 5,5 and 4,5 times with and without non-food items, respectively.


Thank you for attention.


PS Waiting for constructive comments and advice.
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  1. Valkyrie
    Valkyrie 23 December 2013 14: 59
    +9
    You have piled up a whole bunch of statistics somewhere. But, in my opinion, wasted time. Our life won't get better from these colorful graphs and tables. Without tables and graphs, it is clear from life itself that the salaries of most ordinary people are struggling to catch up (and cannot catch up with) rising prices. The question "Who lives well in Russia", as before, remains relevant.
    1. sledgehammer102
      23 December 2013 15: 29
      -7
      Quote: Valkyrie
      that the salaries of most ordinary people hardly catch up (and cannot catch up) with rising prices

      For most ordinary people, salaries increased on average 3-3,5 times, for the poorest in 5 and more.
      The average salary of more than half of workers in 2013 exceeds 20 thousand, and only 30% receive less. Why do you see only these 30%, but do not see the remaining 70 ??? Moreover, look at the year 2000. 70% of the population earned less than 2000 rubles, even in those years it is equal to the current 9 rubles, according to the table "Salaries in sets" it is very clear. Comparison of inflation and growth rates is also given there, and you are all about the same. As if they hadn't read it.

      No one denies the existing problems, often egregious, but a trend is more important than facts.
      Moreover, the old balalaika about "ordinary people" is turned on, it seems that some difficult people are buying houses from the pit, take part in shared construction, create traffic jams in even small towns, fill up travel agencies with applications, which is why they grow like mushrooms. that's why the first floors of all houses overlooking the road were bought out for shops and offices, and a lot of other things.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 23 December 2013 15: 47
        +5
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        The average salary of more than half of employees in 2013 exceeds 20 thousand

        Pasha minus for the study. For 10 groups of 10%.
        Well, for dialing number 3.Who invented you? fellow
      2. bolonenkov
        bolonenkov 23 December 2013 15: 59
        +3
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        No one denies the existing problems, and often are egregious, but the trend is more important than facts.

        You are right, but the problem is that for many (in your article this is the first 40%) it was "very bad", and now it has become "tolerable" or "almost normal", but if this change is smeared over the years from 2000 to 2012 , then no one will notice a bright change, since you quickly get used to good changes, and bad ones always follow you.

        For example, in 2000 I had to permanently owe everything, since there was not enough salary, now I don’t seem to take a loan, but I still can’t afford much. Both there and there was a feeling of insufficiency, and it has not disappeared, although the real situation has improved.
        Article +. Everything is quite concise and balanced. But working with such a "vulnerable" area as income and salaries, you will inevitably run into disbelief, since a person repels himself first of all from himself and from his feelings, and not from objective reality and trends.
      3. sergey32
        sergey32 23 December 2013 16: 48
        +4
        In recent years, I have the opportunity sometimes to travel with my family on vacation abroad and compare. I must say we live in a very good country.
        The fact that people are unhappy with their standard of living is natural. It encourages some, they push and achieve more.
        1. military
          military 24 December 2013 10: 17
          +1
          Quote: sergey32
          In recent years, I have the opportunity sometimes to travel with my family on vacation abroad and compare. I must say we live in a very good country.

          perhaps ... that's just, those who have not had such an "opportunity" in recent years are unlikely to share your optimism ... but there are a lot of them ... hi what are we going to argue with them for improvements that they don’t feel? ... with our personal feelings? ... by the way, I’m sure that the same deputies are much cooler than yours ... I believe that according to their personal feelings, life in Russia generally beautiful and they live in the most prosperous country ...
      4. yehat
        yehat 23 December 2013 17: 46
        +6
        salaries increased MONETARY. But the government released prices and they also rose, while the quality dropped markedly. If earlier, as a poor student, I could afford to buy magazines, meat, and other things, now, earning far above average, I have to look at the price tags of the same meat, and I simply do not buy magazines because of the high cost.
        Previously, under the sign "bread" we could buy something made of flour, but now under the sign "bread" there is a turd with an identical natural smell of bread. And real bread lies nearby, but about 2 times more expensive.
        And when this factor is imposed on statistics, everything falls into place.
        1. tor11121
          tor11121 25 December 2013 05: 50
          0
          the prices for gasoline and solarium are especially "happy".
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      6. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 December 2013 18: 33
        +4
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        The average salary of more than half of employees in 2013 exceeds 20 thousand,

        Tolyatti, AvtoVAZ, locksmith, welder, painter of the most common 4 categories - 15-18t.r. This is more than half of the factory workers. VAZ is a city-forming industry, and Togliatti is not the poorest city in the Volga region. Sellers receive 15-20t.r, housing and communal services workers 10-15 tr. And I will give my own expenses as an example, 4 tr - gasoline for Kalina, 4 tr Housing and communal services, the school pulls, the kindergarten pulls, and there remains horseradish with oil, neither eat normally, nor contain children. Good mother in the village helps. In the Ulyanovsk and Saratov regions receive much less. I understand that you give harsh numbers as an example, but these are general and hypocritical figures. hi
      7. Reyngard
        Reyngard 23 December 2013 20: 27
        +1
        Where did you see the average salary of 70% of 20000? In Moscow? So drive away 180 kilometers from the Moscow Ring Road and see if you haven’t filled the balls: 10-15000 and this is in the regional center! What can we say about the areas! Before tryndet about universal wealth, live in the middle district center of Central Russia.
        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 24 December 2013 04: 32
          -2
          Quote: Reyngard
          Where did you see the average salary of 70% of 20000? In Moscow? So drive away kilometers for 180 from the Moscow Ring Road and see if the balls are not flooded: 10-15000 and this is in the regional center! What can we say about the areas! Before trying on general wealth, live in the middle district center of Central Russia.

          If you drive a few thousand kilometers beyond the Moscow Ring Road and see an average RFP of about 30000, will your rudeness be reduced?
          1. military
            military 24 December 2013 10: 30
            +2
            Quote: BigRiver

            If you drive a few thousand kilometers beyond the Moscow Ring Road and see an average RFP of about 30000, will your rudeness be reduced?

            is it to the west, or what, "drive off"? ... wink (I agree about rudeness) ...
      8. Rakti-kali
        Rakti-kali 23 December 2013 20: 50
        +4
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        For most ordinary people, salaries increased by an average of 3-3,5 times, for the poorest 5 and more. The average salary of more than half of employees in 2013 exceeds 20 thousand, and only 30% receives less.

        author drink yada! Personally, my salary "increased" from 25.000 in 2007, through 20.000 in the summer of 2012, to 12.000 in November 2013. And similar examples in the area where I live, as one character in KVN said: - "Yes, there are thousands of them!" The salary exceeds 20 thousand only in the capital of the region, and not at all. On average, in the cities of the region, a worker receives 12-18 thousand, office workers, salespeople, etc. - 8-15 thousand. In villages, with prices 10-20% higher than in the city, salaries are 15-25% lower.
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        Moreover, the old balalaika about "ordinary people" is turned on, it seems that some difficult people are buying houses from the pit, participate in shared construction, create traffic jams in even small towns, fill up travel agencies with applications, which is why they grow like mushrooms

        And kill your head against the wall! The director of the company where I worked last year, in the same year, flew with my family four times to rest abroad and was going to the fifth when I left. At the same time, he drove a car that I could never afford, and was building a second house.
        And that same simple worker (my friend), working at the factory for 12 years, paid the mortgage for his lousy odnushka and was afraid, as he himself said, "not to sneeze, not to kick", so that God forbid not to lose his job and with her an apartment and continued to plow despite the constant decline in prices and, accordingly, salaries.
        1. military
          military 24 December 2013 10: 38
          +1
          Quote: Rakti-Kali
          And kill your head against the wall! The director of the company where I worked last year, in the same year, flew with his family to rest abroad four times and was going to the fifth when I left there. At the same time, he drove a car, which I could never afford, and built a second house. And that same simple worker (my friend), who had been working at the factory for 12 years, had been paying the mortgage for his lousy odnushka and was afraid, as he himself said, " no sneeze, no kick ", so that God forbid not to lose his job and with it the apartment and continued to plow in spite of the constant decline in prices and, accordingly, salaries.

          normal "civilized" slavery ...
          By the way, now the "advanced" ones will run up and all the voices will shout that this worker is just one of those citizens who do not want to "work normally", and if he wanted, then everything would have been "gut" for a long time ... and a cottage. .. and a "gelding" ... and a spouse-model in a mink coat ... laughing
      9. vezunchik
        vezunchik 24 December 2013 00: 41
        +1
        Yes, but most people take apartments on a mortgage, and cars on credit! People are tired of waiting and want to live now without thinking about the future!
      10. vezunchik
        vezunchik 24 December 2013 00: 41
        +1
        Yes, but most people take apartments on a mortgage, and cars on credit! People are tired of waiting and want to live now without thinking about the future!
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      12. Hon
        Hon 25 December 2013 09: 52
        0
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        The average salary of more than half of employees

        Half cannot be greater or less, but more than half of the class does not understand this. laughing
    2. Very old
      Very old 23 December 2013 16: 16
      +7
      Part 1 - somehow
      Part 2 - and you went ...
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 23 December 2013 23: 23
      +1
      Quote: Valkyrie
      You have piled up a whole bunch of statistics somewhere. But, in my opinion, wasted time. Our life won't get better from these colorful graphs and tables. Without tables and graphs, it is clear from life itself that the salaries of most ordinary people are struggling to catch up (and cannot catch up with) rising prices. The question "Who lives well in Russia", as before, remains relevant.

      Are you rooting for Russians? laughing Do not forget to praise the Americans - they say,on order live better than Russians! Remember that post? Doesn't paint shame? Let me explain, ON ORDER means ten times! That is, an American janitor earns 10 times more than a Moscow janitor, a representative of office plankton - the same thing. Heads of departments, departments, directors in the United States also earn 10 times more than Russians in similar positions. I have three suspicions: either you are an unscrupulous liar, or you are an absolutely illiterate aunt who does not know the word "by the order", or you, just for the sake of a word of mouth, are ready for a lot that does not paint you in the light of your early grandchildren. So for which of these three reasons did you say that people in America are an order of magnitude better?
  2. Stiletto
    Stiletto 23 December 2013 15: 08
    +14
    Great reminiscent of my payroll. There are a lot of cracks, but it ends invariably: for extradition: 0,00 laughing That’s the matter - the communal sheet - there are always different, new numbers ... and I have never seen that in the direction of reduction what
  3. major071
    major071 23 December 2013 15: 16
    +7
    Heck! It was necessary to study mathematics at school well. Blown away by the middle of the article. The humanitarian mindset, however ...
    1. tor11121
      tor11121 23 December 2013 15: 43
      +6
      do not put off until tomorrow, all that you can eat today. here is fsya mathematics about inflation ..
    2. My address
      My address 23 December 2013 16: 04
      +11
      Not a fig, Vladimir hi !
      I am a techie and also sighed in the middle and spat.
      The author works in the administration, which, I do not know. He hangs noodles on our ears. I also think that life is better than in 1999, and so what? Can this justify the economic illiteracy of the authorities? If illiteracy. And the increasing stratification of the income of the bulk and a handful of people close to the body and the terror? If we live better on 30%, then they are at times! And where is their merit ?! Who creates added value ?!
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 23 December 2013 16: 19
        +10
        Quote: My address
        I am a techie and also sighed in the middle and spat.

        Nah ... I read it to the end, looked at the conclusions, then returned to the article, read dial number 3 and started to laugh. laughing
        I just imagined the author in pantyhose, socks and a man's jumper, with a liter of gasoline and a kilogram of beef in the mouse. Amused in the evening. laughing
        1. military
          military 24 December 2013 12: 28
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          I just imagined the author in tights, socks and a men's jumper ...

          "- Lyolik! It's not aesthetically pleasing! ..." laughing
      2. military
        military 24 December 2013 12: 26
        +1
        Quote: My address
        The author works in the administration, which, I do not know. He hangs noodles on our ears.

        well, then in no way ... in the presidential ...
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  5. TROG
    TROG 23 December 2013 15: 38
    +15
    An article in the spirit that we are all morons, but in fact, life has become better.
    1. avant-garde
      avant-garde 23 December 2013 16: 07
      +5
      Quote: TROG
      An article in the spirit that we are all morons, but in fact, life has become better.

      like this
      1. ovokasi08
        ovokasi08 23 December 2013 16: 47
        +8
        yeah))) I eat cabbage, and my boss is meat, on average we eat cabbage rolls)))
        1. military
          military 24 December 2013 15: 11
          0
          Quote: ovokasi08
          yeah))) I eat cabbage, and my boss is meat, on average we eat cabbage rolls)))

          and together with Abramovich, you are both "average" Arab sheikhs ... laughing
    2. military
      military 24 December 2013 13: 00
      +1
      Quote: TROG
      An article in the spirit that we are all morons, but in fact, life has become better.

      "Life has become better for us - it has become more fun.
      The neck became thinner, but longer ... "
  6. Stiletto
    Stiletto 23 December 2013 16: 10
    +17
    To the question “Do you use the Internet?” 100% of Russians answered in the affirmative. This is the result of a recent survey on the Internet.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 23 December 2013 16: 14
      +6
      Quote: Stiletto
      To the question “Do you use the Internet?” 100% of Russians answered in the affirmative. This is the result of a recent survey on the Internet.

      laughing good + + + + + +
  7. Asgard
    Asgard 23 December 2013 16: 29
    +2
    Pasha welcome.
    Yes, you worked hard, graphs and figures, the calculation of inflation, you can agree ....
    BUT
    The economy on a person is visible even without numbers, People feel its "breath" and "shaking" in their pockets)))
    You consider pieces of relationships and aspects of life, but it must be considered comprehensively, although I do not deny it, you are calling for this ....
    In my comments, I also simplify a lot, I suppose that People know some things from other sources ....HOWEVER, IN THE ARTICLE IT IS NECESSARY TO CHEW...... therefore there are many dissenting ...
    And you did not convince me, although I carefully read both parts ....
    Вfrom today I was surprised by Volodin Aleksey (permanent author)) about the Masons and the Olympic movement, the guy writes articles, but doesn’t know how obvious truths are (or We did not understand each other before)))
    Why, I didn’t understand. SENT THESE PARTS (to justify or explain?) You in the first article stated your position better (in my opinion)) It is understandable !!!!!
    And here, in both parts, no.
    I didn’t set pluses, I prefer not to put minuses)))because, as I understand it, Man writes with the desire to be understood, and minus We in most cases put ourselves ....
    I often open Komrad’s personal blog and read his thoughts on the previous topics, only then you begin to understand the structure of his thoughts, the psyche and the level of knowledge ....
    Do not be offended by People, We are all trying to synchronize here, to understand - whom, where to put, for what and where to appoint RESPONSIBLE in the coming dashing year))))
  8. demotivator
    demotivator 23 December 2013 16: 32
    +4
    Mikhail Delyagin, as well as another Mikhail - only Khazin, believe that no improvement is expected in the economy.
    According to Mikhail Delyagin, Director of the Institute for Globalization Problems, Doctor of Economic Sciences, who he voiced at the II All-Russian Forum of Small and Medium-Sized Businesses, Russia is facing a systemic crisis.
    “We can say for sure that until the beginning of August next year we remain stable. Next is uncertainty. It is unlikely that we will live up to the 2018 World Cup in the same condition as now ... Five factors that can disrupt us in a systemic crisis. The global factor: oil is getting cheaper tomorrow at $ 60 a barrel ... even up to $ 80. For our economy, this will be a shot at the temple with a grenade launcher. Right away! Although, with the current inflation of the economy, it most likely will not fall in price. Further: the corruption burden is excessive for the Russian economy and is breaking its backbone. This is what we see in statistics. Following is the destruction of the Soviet infrastructure: it occurs not only due to the extinction of specialists, but also due to theft on repairs. As soon as we begin to understand what happened in this particular natural disaster, we see that the money that was sent for repairs was stolen. Another factor associated with the exacerbation of "friendship of peoples." And finally, the aggravation of inter-clan war. Winners in every local skirmish show enchanting revenge and complacency. On the other hand, they relax and become defenseless before the revenge of the vanquished, ”says Delyagin.
    A similar opinion is shared by Mikhail Khazin, president of the Neocon consulting company. According to him, the recession in the economy will continue, because there are no reasons for the growth of foreign exchange earnings.
    “The mechanism has been exhausted. We have to repay previously taken loans, we sell less oil. I think that after Iran enters world markets, oil prices will go down. As a result, the sluggish decline that began at the end of 2012 and which at the end of this year amounted to somewhere in the 2,5-3%, respectively, will continue. I think that, other things being equal, if there are no excesses, we will get about 3-4% minus by the end of the year. "
    1. Very old
      Very old 23 December 2013 16: 40
      +1
      Last paragraph
      Uncle Sam & Rowhani
  9. shpuntik
    shpuntik 23 December 2013 16: 45
    +5
    The author is not from our planet. Or kicked out of the Gaidar Institute. AND WHY HAVE I NOT COMPARED WITH 1944? fellow It was since 1999, when the population drank alcohol "Royal". In the best traditions of state statistics.
    Or such a pearl:
    Inflation is an increase in the amount of money needed to maintain a constant standard of living.

    Spend more than before, which means inflation. The key here is "an unchanging standard of living."

    This should be included in textbooks: people began to eat more - inflation, the crop is half as much - inflation. The Central Bank turned on the machine, no, this is not real inflation, this is monetary policy.
    It is a fundamental mistake, in understanding the basics of inflation, that entails the uselessness of all these tables. Wasted work, wrong result. As the math teacher used to say: "Don't rush the result."
  10. demotivator
    demotivator 23 December 2013 17: 05
    +3
    On December 12, 2013, a conference of leading analysts was held in Moscow, at which scenarios of Russia's development for the next decade were discussed. Almost all the speakers concluded that the Russian Federation in its current form remained 5, at most 7 years of existence. The "point of no return" has already been passed, and the rate of degradation of the main spheres on which the country's integrity and security is based has entered a critical phase.
    If we consider the basic pillars of the state (army, economy, population, communication systems, science), which ensure the survival of the country as a whole, then in the Russian Federation they are in decline, which makes our state look like a house of cards, ready to crumble from the slightest "wind" instability "from within or from outside. The degree of degradation of the Russian Federation can be determined by going to a large supermarket such as Auchan, Mosmart, etc. or to an auto parts store for VAZ cars. There are almost no Russian goods there (even Chinese hammers and axes, not to mention grinders, drills, punchers, wrenches). Also, the degree of degradation of our industry can be determined by the most modern Russian car "LADA-PRIORA" - controller "BOSH", clutch "LYUK" (Germany), ABS "Bosch", imported connecting rod-piston group, Korean air conditioner, timing belt - prefabricated hodgepodge from Germany-China-Poland, the cylinder block is processed using imported technology, even the iron, they say, is Korean.
    Thus, as experts note, Russia is unable to ensure its security. Its Armed Forces lag behind the armies of a potential enemy several times in all types of weapons and personnel numbers. De-industrialization swept across the country, which made entire regions dead (the number of dead villages and towns in the North, Siberia, the Far East, Central Russia is already in the tens of thousands). The Russian economy is completely dependent on foreign capital, and in order to bring our country to its knees, it is enough to simply restrict imports, which threatens, firstly, with a real famine for the local population, since its own agriculture cannot provide all food needs, even for 50%; and secondly, it will deprive the country of essential goods, because now even the nails on the shelves of Russian stores are of Chinese origin. In addition to the crisis in the material sphere, there is a degradation of the "living material" - the population. It in the most natural way is drunk, becomes addicted, corrupts and dies out (the so-called "Russian cross" - the excess of the number of the dead over those born).
    There is every reason to argue that the current Russian Federation as an entity no longer exists. At the government level, the most serious discussion is the issue of letting the Far East into concession use for foreigners, and this is nothing more than a veiled recognition of the fact that we have lost the Far Eastern region. The fact that the Russian Federation exists within its current borders is not a merit of the current rulers, it is only the result of a favorable combination of circumstances.
  11. Taoist
    Taoist 23 December 2013 17: 26
    +2
    The article is actually quite necessary. At least in order to "check harmony with algebra" - unfortunately, "sensations" and "reality" in our computerized and emotionally controlled world often do not coincide. And at least you should have a ruler to apply.
    I personally argued with the author precisely at the level of sensations (more precisely, not sensations, but the fact that human happiness is still not "real income" but a sense of security is ensured) and in this regard did not change my opinion. But here I have to agree with his conclusions. Mathematics is a stubborn thing. Moreover, my own statistics (for a number of years I have been keeping my own home bookkeeping and, in particular, I clearly take into account the share of utility bills. So it sounds paradoxical, but over the past three years, despite the serious increase in tariffs, my average monthly utility bills have remained unchanged ( fluctuations within 100 rubles) only because, accordingly, this very increase in tariffs made me think seriously and introduce energy saving.
    We certainly do not like this - but we will still have to change the consumption structure - this is not only our problem, but a global problem. Another question that infuriates us is "inequality" and the same gap "to whom the cabbage soup is empty to whom the diamonds are shallow" - but you must admit that this does not apply to the topic of the work that the author of the topic did.
  12. yehat
    yehat 23 December 2013 17: 29
    +6
    Firstly, statistics can be easily twisted and this happens. Because the prices of products and other things are often declared minimum. Everyone knows how our minimum wage is growing. I saw such prices in the table. For example, rye bread (the weight is even the same) for 28 could be bought in St. Petersburg only from poor-quality raw materials, which rot after 3-4 days. Normal cost one and a half times - two times more expensive.
    We are rapidly deteriorating in QUALITY of what we pay for - utilities, products, etc.
    This statistics does not indicate in any way. People have to climb the price chain from the minimum higher in order to maintain quality, and this is what statistics call "an increase in the consumer basket." For example, in the same St. Petersburg it has become a huge problem to buy NORMAL gingerbread or waffles. Whole grocery departments are terribly sad because they are inundated with SHIT! It's the same with clothes, shoes ... Do you think gasoline is better? No! The proportion of additives in it is growing, and the octane number of the base is getting lower and lower. The quality of diesel fuel is also not all right. The medicine? Explain or immediately believe? We do not have a fair increase in the prices of the consumer basket and this is what accelerates inflation (and this is happening mainly due to the huge cost of borrowed capital, monopoly and the encouragement of a speculative economy)
  13. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 23 December 2013 18: 27
    +6
    I want to tell you a little story from my life. Somehow in the clinic I hear a conversation between two elderly women, one might say grandmothers. I did not delve into the essence of the conversation, but one phrase surprised me very much. As one said to the other: "That's inflation that's clear," what was clear to that grandmother? what does she understand about inflation? If many modern young people with higher education take the concept of inflation only from textbooks and lectures on economics. In fact, inflation is a myth. All inflation is essentially an irrepressible desire of oligarchs, monopolists to earn more and more. Everyone knows that a person can never stop, he is always little and little. And only the state can limit this irrepressible greed. But the state in a market economy does not want to do this. for one simple reason, it is much easier to rip off ordinary citizens with taxes than to quarrel with monopolists. So it turns out that we are paying for inflation - the irrepressible greed of oligarchs and monopolists, and we are paying for the stupidity of government officials. If we compare the rise in prices and the rise in income, then incomes lose a lot. what we come to explain is stupid, and so everyone knows, but they do not want to believe it.
  14. kind
    kind 23 December 2013 18: 56
    +6
    I don’t know what percentage of inflation is reliable, but I see how prices in stores rise every week, and for the main products: bread, milk, chicken egg, etc. The salary remains the same. Since autumn, prices have risen for the same eggs by 70-80%, for milk - 20-50%, meat products - 20-30%. So count inflation.
  15. Orik
    Orik 23 December 2013 19: 19
    +5
    My post to the first part of this article, where I pointed out that a friend does not provide links, was called me a liar in a personal letter. Indeed, the links are not in the form of a list under the article as is usually accepted, but there are wired ones in the article. Next comes the essential question of their interpretation.
    I will not analyze everything, but one example. The author rightly writes that:
    “Unchanged standard of living” each has its own

    Indeed, I’ll take it as an example of 2010 since quickly found information on the shares of the population depending on the income level for that year. Here it is http://unsima.com/images/?image=7190_0_0004h622.png for some reason the picture doesn’t want to be inserted ?!
    I think it’s worth removing 0,7% of the “rich”, this is definitely not a salary, and the weight of the group will not significantly affect it. Among the “wealthy” 1,1% (who wants to correct) can be attributed to people of the tenth group in the author’s table with an income of 67 591 rubles in 2010, to the “average income” of 7,3% can be attributed to groups 8, 9 with income from 24 061 - 31 832 rubles, “rich among the poor” 10,9% of group 6, 7 with income 16 076 - 19 430, “poverty” 38,8% of group 4,5 with income 10 942 - 13 342 rubles, “poverty "27,8% of group 2, 3 with an income of 6 599 - 8 712 rubles, and of course" extreme poverty "of 13,7% with an income of 4 495 rubles.
    Let's take the conditional 99,3 people (after all, we rejected 0,7% of the rich), of which: the total income of the wealthy is 67 591x1,1 = 74 350, with an average income of (24 061 + 31 832) / 2x7,3 = 204 009, the rich among the poor 193 507, the poor 471 109, the poor 212 282, the extremely poor 61 581. TOTAL 1 216 838 together, we divide by conditional 99,3 people and ... we get 12 254 rubles per capita, which is 40% (!!! ) less than the "arithmetic average" of 20 308 rubles per capita by the author, the Federal State Statistics Service and belongs to the category of "poverty" according to the above classification.
    Therefore, the author laughs in vain at such demotivators as in the "avant-garde" about pies.
    1. sledgehammer102
      23 December 2013 19: 52
      -3
      Quote: Orik
      Therefore, the author laughs in vain at such demotivators as in the "avant-garde" about pies.


      It is strange that you take a picture made on the basis of Rosstat data to prove Rosstat errors?
      Moreover, as a proof you bring a picture on which no links are visible to the data to which it refers.


      we get 12 254 rubles per capita, which is 40% (!!!) less than the "arithmetic average" 20 308 rubles per capita by the author, the Federal State Statistics Service and belongs to the category of "poverty" according to the above classification.


      I note that the division into groups in my article is carried out on a quantitative basis, that is, all groups are equal in terms of the number of people in them - 10% of the total number of employees, they are not equal for you, however, the average value is calculated according to the same principle as my....
      Moreover, I wonder on what basis they so divided it?
      I give you an approximate source of the data on which they relied (data for 2012 year).
      I immediately notice that people with incomes from 0-10 occupy a share of 000%, which corresponds to the size of the "extreme poverty" group and half of the "poverty" group combined, respectively, to the remaining 33% of "poverty" and half of the "poverty" your picture includes people with incomes from 35-10 thousand, then, according to the same logic, "the rich from the poor" are people with incomes from 25 to 25 thousand, then comes the average income with incomes over 35 thousand, continue?

      Categories and income do not bother you? The poor and beggars with salaries of 10-25 thousand, and separately for the poor it is about 15-25 .... Carefully believe the pictures made by whom it is not clear and it is not clear how.
      Or should we admit that over the 2 year we have undergone coordinating changes and all the poor have become the middle class
  16. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 23 December 2013 19: 31
    +1
    Yes Paul laughing

    You cannot calculate real inflation - look at the GDP deflator.
    1. sledgehammer102
      23 December 2013 21: 00
      -1
      Quote: Yarosvet
      You cannot calculate real inflation - look at the GDP deflator.


      Well, actually let's be more specific, put it in numbers, we'll see. I counted inflation, look at the article
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 23 December 2013 22: 29
        -1
        Quote: sledgehammer102
        Well, actually let's be more specific, put it in numbers, we'll see.

        The growth of real GDP from 2000 to 12 to 65% (correct me if I'm wrong), and the growth of nominal 670%.

        Divide the difference by 12 years on your own?
        1. sledgehammer102
          24 December 2013 09: 30
          -1
          Quote: Yarosvet
          The growth of real GDP from 2000 to 12 to 65% (correct me if I'm wrong), and the growth of nominal 670%.

          Divide the difference by 12 years on your own?


          YOU are not Julia, just write
          1) what is your theory based on
          2) how it affects price increases
          3) what is the real inflation

          So that everyone sees your whole plan and idea, and then we will talk.
          1. Yarosvet
            Yarosvet 24 December 2013 10: 21
            -1
            Quote: sledgehammer102
            YOU ARE NOT YULI
            Julia, for the time being.

            1) what is your theory based on
            2) how does it affect price increases
            Theory means ... nude
            "My theory" does not affect the rise in prices. This is not a theory at all - this is an elementary understanding of the essence of GDP and its variations.

            3) what is the real inflation
            From the 00th to the 12th - 500%.

            To all
            Besides you, everyone has already seen everything and everyone understood.
  17. Bosk
    Bosk 23 December 2013 19: 41
    +3
    Again, mlyn tables ... everything is very simple, during the time of the Union (the year was like the end of the 80s) I could buy from my salary thirty to forty half a liter, now on average about a hundred half a liter ... well and all this multiplied by the rise in price of other utilities plus light-gas water ... then the standard of living is slightly higher than in those distant times.
  18. shurup
    shurup 23 December 2013 19: 49
    +4
    Recently, there was an infa about increasing salaries to deputies. Those who wish can calculate the percentage of inflation for the period since the last increase. The Duma is very good at counting according to real methods.
  19. Indifferent
    Indifferent 23 December 2013 20: 11
    +4
    We have a huge number of people who continue to receive small salaries. Take teachers in small schools, sellers of shops, doctors, employees of small bureaucratic institutions, girls from banks and small offices. All of them receive no more than 12000 rubles. All of them spend this money only on an apartment and food! Namely, in this area, inflation is greatest.
    If a man works, and his wife sits with children, then rarely does anyone receive more than 22-30 thousand rubles. For a family of three to four people, this is also only for an apartment and food.
    So inflation should be considered not for gas, but for food and utilities. Then it will become clear how many poor and half-hearted people we have who are tired of their need!
    Among other things, the author is completely silent about the devaluation of our wooden ruble over the past year. And he fell at least 10%. And this means all foreign goods, and in our country the majority of them have risen in price by these very 10%. This is primarily durable goods. Refrigerators, televisions, washing machines ...
    So there are a lot of tables, and there is no sense in them.
    1. Bosk
      Bosk 23 December 2013 20: 52
      +2
      I agree, as long as most of the population lives from paycheck to paycheck ... this is abnormal in fact! As one of my acquaintances likes to say, "The person who writes the advance payment in fact cannot be free."
  20. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 23 December 2013 21: 21
    +4
    Auto RU!
    I would like to believe that you are not a cynic, but a "nerd" who believed in the "magic" of numbers. For some reason I read your articles in my head, but in my head: "Oh, accountant, my dear accountant ..." You shoveled a lot of numbers, mathematics, methods ..., worked hard. But they don't believe you. Why don't so many adults believe you?
    Maybe that's why? The population of Moscow consists of three people: a pensioner, a student and a professor
    Or in such a premise?Spend more than before, which means inflation. The key here is "an unchanging standard of living." If you bought rifled last month loaf for 9 rubles, and in this switched to bread with additives for 15 rubles, then this increase in spending is not associated with inflation.
    Or?As we can see, the arithmetic average of the calculated years is no different from the numbers provided by Rosstat for other years.
    Or all the same?Official statistics are lying again!
    PS Be careful, Comrade Lieutenant General.
    This is from the last article. I didn’t even make it to one gap with one star. I served an urgent. Served honestly. You can contact me: "Private comrade."
  21. alone
    alone 23 December 2013 22: 44
    +4
    laughing The author alone did what a whole team of scientific workers does in a month at the research institute. And you all criticize him. But it’s not his fault that, officially, I repeat, officially in numbers, we all live just fine
  22. GP
    GP 24 December 2013 03: 15
    0
    Good financial background. The topic is disclosed. Own opinion is present. Offset. wink
    I will not criticize, not my profile (rather just laziness repeat ).
    Of the wishes, or recommendations, perhaps for greater clarity, it is worth expressing "who will win" in the value respected from antiquity - gold. Moreover, large calculations, not popular samples + a couple of graphs / diagrams + a couple of photos = the article is ready.
  23. papas-57
    papas-57 24 December 2013 05: 09
    +2
    Why stare at different tables, graphs and studies by different `` experts ''. The simplest example is the 15% annual increase in electricity prices. You don't have to go further.
  24. alicante11
    alicante11 24 December 2013 07: 06
    0
    I have long noticed one pattern. If you want to believably lie, tell the truth.

    Why am I? Moreover, I do not understand the motive for the appearance of the publications of this author. Huge work has been done, as noted here, it has been done in a short time. If this work was done by one person and during this time, then it is hard work, even if this work is paid. So, the work has been done, let's say that the author has done it by himself, just as many people here do. But WHY was this work done? Doesn't each of us know himself that he began to live better in relation to the 90s? Even the most shameless liberal does not deny the improvement in the living standards of the population in the 2000s. How they explain it is another matter. But this cannot be denied. Therefore, if we consider the situation, so to speak "head-on", it turns out that the author has done the work in vain. Just for the love of paperwork. And if you also received money for it, then it generally turns out to be discarded money. But I, forgive your magnanimity, allow myself to doubt that such work, whether paid or not, can be done just like that.

    Of course, I would like the author to say himself why he is writing these articles. He said honestly, and not "in defiance of pro-salipolymers" who can be silenced by his own experience by any person who lived in the 90s and 2000s. But to hope for this is rather naive on our part. He could have done this for a long time, and if he did not, he will not do it further. Therefore, I will try to guess what these articles and the like are for.
    First, let me reiterate what the feature of these articles is. These articles are true. Yes, one can argue about the methods of calculating the Rosstat data. You can give examples of more or less high prices for individual goods or services, you can give different levels of wages (both white and black, by the way). But we cannot dispute the tendency. Well, there is a significant difference between 200 rubles of the minimum wage and 6000 rubles of the same minimum wage at different times and even hundreds of percent of inflation will not allow this increase to be eaten. And no matter what factors we take into account, they will not change the trend.
    The second feature of these articles, I would call one that there are many such articles. We are told that you are not happy. You began to live better, see how you lived in the 90-s. and how you live now. Moreover, I note that in 2000, unlike the current time, such articles and such reasoning were rare.
  25. alicante11
    alicante11 24 December 2013 07: 06
    +1
    So what and why did the "dog rummage" here?
    If we carefully consider the graphs and figures provided. Then we will see one simple point. As I have already drawn the attention of readers, until about 2008-2010. there is a serious growth in the well-being of the population after the catastrophe of the 90s. This decade is even called, in spite of the "dashing 90s", "obese zero". But at the turn of 2008-2013 the graphs show us the dynamics tending to zero. That is, somewhere earlier, somewhere later, but the decline began. But the decline is not in the general level of well-being, the graphs do not go into negative almost anywhere, but the decline in the GROWTH of the well-being of the population. If we take this conclusion and the features of the articles I have indicated as a basis, then we can come to the conclusion that the authorities cover up stagnation in the growth of well-being with "general figures", that is, showing people the past positive dynamics in order to close their eyes to the current negative dynamics. ... And indeed. Why did the people not need such articles in the 2000s? Yes, because the people felt well the growth of their well-being. It may be small for the majority, but it was significant and felt! And now this growth is not being felt. therefore it is necessary to show people that they still live better. Hence the duality of sensations. We are used to positive dynamics. But we do not feel it, and when we look at the numbers, we see it. But we must remember that this dynamic is in the past. There is an ordinary brainwashing with the substitution of concepts. And this is the monstrous lie of these articles.
    We fix the level of well-being. That is, if you were able to reach a level at which you can afford a kilogram of beef, a jumper, a men's shirt and a liter of 92 gasoline, then this is enough for you, enjoy it. And everything else will go to us. Who do we need? Oligarchs, officials and their closest attendants.
    The problem I personally see is that if the government begins to live on the same merits, it means that it does not see anything good in the future and does not plan.
    However, who said that we should "endlessly" raise the standard of living? We do not live under socialism after all. And with developed monopoly capitalism. So it would be too naive to expect something else on our part.
  26. Soldier
    Soldier 24 December 2013 07: 51
    +1
    But for me, the meaning is different. People see that they are stealing OPEN, and nothing happens with ploskadochnyh bureaucrats. This is angry. But the author claims that if you are angry, it’s wrong and is hiding behind the Jesuit tables. The mole is better. 1999 ... That is, if a person used to be a beggar, and now he is a beggar, but with a cell phone, loans and a mortgage, so he is no longer a beggar. So it turns out? I don’t agree. As long as a person in MY country (nod to geyropu and matricia it’s not worth it) things like communal services and prices for the NECESSARY food products (who in the UNION thought about this) will be painfully worried, your numbers will not convince anyone. And on the other hand. And if a person does not want to be a sales manager and etc., but wants to teach children or treat people, or is science interesting to him, then what? So he just doesn’t want to earn money? So it’s his own fault that he has a salary. 12000. So what do you think?
  27. ovgorskiy
    ovgorskiy 24 December 2013 14: 55
    -3
    Dear author Sledgehammer102. You have undertaken the hard and thankless work of taking a closer look at our welfare in recent years. Therefore, an incredible amount of slop from the so-called "poverty" will be poured on you and you should have been ready for this. I think the bulk of these critics have not even read your numbers, but they will definitely insert their weighty word into the discussion. By the way, this is our mentality, "ours" are former Soviet citizens. If in the "west" people boast of their achievements in front of a friend, then we complain to each other how bad everything is. It's like a real life scene. In the car dealership there is a line at the cashier to pay for the car, there are several couples, some in mink coats, some in beaver hats and vying with each other, how difficult it is for them to live, how poor they are, how they buy a car with their last money, what predatory loans ... This scene can be seen everywhere, in any supermarket, as two customers will complain about each other's life, while the carts themselves are packed to overflowing with food. That's life.
  28. alicante11
    alicante11 25 December 2013 03: 33
    0
    ovgorskiy

    And you have forgotten one essential point, those "pro-salipolymers". There are some on the site. Which are worse than the "most shameless liberals".
    But the problem is that in addition to "pro-salipolymers" and "crybaby" there are also people for whom "the truth is more important". And the lies of these articles, which are very well packed into the truth, will always be shown.