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Ground beef

In 2014, the 13-year operation of the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan ends. The military from fifty countries will return home. But if for ordinary soldiers nothing overshadows the joy of the end of service in a dangerous region, then for the command of the NATO armies the withdrawal of troops means the need to solve the serious problems accumulated in the alliance, associated primarily with the US leadership role.


Beat your own

Today, few people remember that in 2001, the invasion of Afghanistan began in two columns. The first was a "coalition of those who wanted" to fight and consisted of Americans, British, Canadians and the military of several other countries seeking to curry favor with their big brother. And the second column, which received the UN mandate, included contingents of states not ready to participate in active hostilities and shed the blood of their soldiers in the name of a dubious war against elusive terrorism. Nevertheless, Washington immediately began demanding from the ISAF member countries “expansion of the mandate,” that is, essentially the transfer of “peacekeepers” for use in offensive operations carried out as part of Operation Enduring Freedom. That is, from the first months of the invasion, Washington assumed political, and de facto, operational leadership of both columns, after which he launched the operation in accordance with his wishes and completely ignoring the interests of the allies.

As a result, the tactics of the ISAF and coalition forces have been reduced to the following: national contingents patrol their areas of responsibility, when a threat is detected, come into direct contact with the enemy and report the coordinates to the Americans. They send air support - attack aircraft, helicopters or drones - already directly to strike the target. And then, as in a children's yard game: who did not hide, I am not guilty. “The motto of the American operation:“ Eyes wide shut, ”says German magazine Der Spiegel with bitterness. That is why the cases of the so-called "friendly fire" in Afghanistan occur much more often than in the Iraq war.

“As for joint operations, this was the case,” reveals Daniel Lücking, a senior lieutenant who took part in the German deployment. “Together with the Afghan army, we drove a group of militants into a remote place or village, and the Americans always left the right to deliver the final blow. They have special teams that are designed to track down and kill people. And if they receive information that terrorists are hiding in a particular village, then they “work” without embarrassment in the means. It turned out terribly stupid: in the daytime we built hospitals and kindergartens, at night the Americans came and cleaned the village, killing, including many civilians. ”

But Senior Lieutenant Lucking was lucky - he survived. For a huge number of his colleagues in the coalition, the final blow of the Americans ended in death or injury from "friendly fire." Salon magazine quotes the squadron commander of naval assault helicopters, the American lieutenant colonel Jim Braden: “Many air force pilots with whom I worked seem to be simply looking for an excuse to pull the trigger without worrying where their comrades are at the bottom arms. Their position is: “Just give us the GPS coordinates and we will do our job.”

As a result of cases when coalition allies came under American shelling, dozens and even hundreds. However, the command of the US Army, having made Jesuit conclusions after the “Desert Storm” campaign (even then, according to official data, a quarter of the casualties were victims of their own attacks), recognizes the fact of “friendly fire” only after numerous inspections, so only flagrant cases are made public. Like what happened in December 2006, when the British marines for ten hours were fighting with the Taliban, called for support from the air, and received a blow to their own positions. Or when in August the Americans ’2007-kilogram bombs leveled a British checkpoint with 225.

Special purpose loss

The situation is aggravated by the fact that the best parts of the allies are dying under American fire. One of the maneuvers of the American command, designed to erase the difference between the "columns", was the formation of coalition forces for special purposes. Many governments of the ISAF countries did not dare to expand the mandate of their contingents, but the Americans still took the best people to send the idea of ​​a shock special forces.

“At the request of the CIA office, the Bundeswehr military personnel participated in operations in violation of the German mandate back in the 2002 year,” said former non-commissioned officer of the Airborne Forces, Achim Volgetan. According to him, the German soldiers from the international brigade of the ISAF were repeatedly sent to "delicate operations" far beyond the limits of their area of ​​responsibility, as determined by the Bundestag. Volgetan himself participated "in at least ten such operations." Orders to attack and retreat were not formalized in any way, while they were given by the CIA ...

Naturally, commando operations are kept secret. But it is known that in addition to the best soldiers, Americans can request there from the location of the national contingents and the best equipment. Special Forces coalition submits to the American command and rushes to the most difficult areas. Those commandos hide masks, and in the documents they are under false names. In this regard, their losses are almost impossible to track. Thus, there is a high probability that the real losses of the Allies in Afghanistan are much higher than officials say.

Over time, almost all participating countries were forced to provide people to participate in American special operations. “The secret parts are the thousands of innocent civilian casualties,” said the famous German politician Oscar Lafontaine.

Meat that is about to become minced

"Cannon fodder? I have never heard such an expression ... ”, says the father of a soldier who fought in Afghanistan as part of the Estonian contingent. He explains: “Americans contemptuously call their allies meat for the grinder - meat for a meat grinder. More specifically, the meat that is about to become minced ... "

It is difficult to name the exact number of losses of the anti-terrorist coalition and the ISAF due to the lack of an authoritative independent source of information. Even Washington sometimes turns out its own official statistics as it is required at a particular moment. But that is beyond doubt - in terms of the relative number of casualties among the countries that took the most active part in the Afghan war, the United States is at the very bottom of the list (Table 1).

In addition, it is worth paying attention to the number and nature of injuries of military personnel. In the Afghan campaign, the number of injured exceeds the “normal” figures (“1 killed by 3-4 injured”) is on average two to three times, and for some contingents, 10 and more. The fact is that medicine, body armor and helmets from Kevlar save many lives. But thereby increasing the number of wounded. Moreover, it is modern ammunition, protecting vital organs, according to surgeons, leads to increased trauma and severe injury. Among the wounded who are returning "to the citizen" from Afghanistan, the percentage of disabled people is "unusually high." But here, too, the statistics are implacable: as a percentage, the US incurs much smaller “recoverable” losses than most of its allies (Table 2).

It is also worth noting that in Europe the statistics on injuries is underestimated so as not to disturb the society, which is already dissatisfied with an unpopular war. At the same time, special services created in the Pentagon to fight corruption in Iraq and Afghanistan revealed the existence of fraudulent schemes designed to inflate the number of injured Americans in order to receive a “tip” of injury for the subsequent “cut” between unclean commanders ...

It is clear that the excitement around the service in the ISAF among the European military was not observed. “Unlike Kosovo and Bosnia, those who want to serve in Afghanistan are scraped together with difficulty: this is not a peacekeeping mission, this is a real war, which only truly brave and strong men are going to,” says an Estonian soldier who asked not to be named. The American editor of the Daily Telegraph newspaper Toby Harnden, by the way, also notes the courage of Estonians, bordering on recklessness. Not surprisingly, Estonia ranks second in the number of killed and wounded soldiers per capita, second only to Denmark.

And in some coalition countries, a large number of combat losses caused an internal political crisis. For example, in Georgia in February 2012, a scandal erupted over the visit to Afghanistan of pro-American President Mikhail Saakashvili. “Together with the Americans, he set up a joint special operation for public relations, during which Georgian servicemen were killed,” said military expert Irakly Sesiashvili. “I do not see any friendship, strategic partnership, or respect for Georgian society,” echoes politician Georgy Khaindrava. - I see on the part of the American administration towards our people only cynicism and deceitful attitude. We are meat with a specific price "...

Bacon and Frisbee

“Americans treat their allies extremely arrogant. For example, Germans are called Nazis behind the eyes, they can say about Danes or Latvians: who is this, they say, from a country here, “the size of a postage stamp,” an employee of one of the Scandinavian missions admits. - In addition, the humanitarian ideas of Europeans meet their complete contempt. We are considered soft-bodied, weak, or "women" for initiatives that help, for example, make life easier for Afghan women. According to the Americans, it is necessary to act not with educational programs, but with murders and sweeps. ”

Americans, however, are also engaged in humanitarian aid. But their actions are dominated by an infantile or even indifferent approach, not deprived of evil sarcasm. “For example, the American contractors who won the relevant contract supplied us with kits for the game“ Ultimate Frisbee ”, intended for distribution to the local population. After all, Americans love this game and prefer it to other physical exercises at their bases, ”says a former press officer of the German contingent in Afghanistan. “However, the Afghans did not know any other use of“ plates ”, except ... eating food from them. This went on for three years, until the new commander of the German contingent canceled these supplies. ”

Thanks to the efforts of the United States, foreign troops are perceived by local residents as interventionists and occupiers. Swedish military journalist Fridolin Gustav describes his impressions of the American allies: “They were distinguished by their blatant lack of principle. They could, for example, agree with a famous fighter on surrender, and then shoot him. They took the villages by storm and dragged the corpses of executed militants through the streets in order to show what happens to those who oppose the new government. ”

The Americans have no better attitude towards the half-million soldiers of the Allied Afghan army and police. They rush into the thick, they shut up the most difficult areas. The account of their losses goes to tens of thousands, which for some reason are taken out of the general list. The Pentagon recently published a standard semi-annual (from 1 April to 30 September 2013) report on the situation in Afghanistan. The losses of the Afghan army and police during the reporting period increased by 79% compared to last year! Lt. Gen. American Army Marc Milli, the current head of the ISAF Joint Command, believes that the total losses of the personnel of the Afghan troops "is approaching the level we observed in Vietnam."

Not surprisingly, this led, as military experts put it, “to the loss of confidence in the American command.” In one month, there are up to fifty cases in which Afghan soldiers or policemen shoot Americans. Officials investigating these incidents note that the “internal attacks” are not so much the result of Taliban propaganda as the reaction of the Afghan soldiers, driven to despair by the mockery of the Americans. “American soldiers could, for example, lower their pants in front of Afghans performing namaz, barely exposing the body below the navel or defiantly chop bacon, just for fun,” the German officer said. Recall, according to the canons of Islam, the actions described are offensive to Muslims.

“Most international observers believe that the American strategy of the war in Afghanistan has failed,” states Fridolin Gustav. - Residential buildings were bombed, one bloodshed was replaced by another, and in the pursuit of asymmetrical enemies - bin Laden and al Qaeda - civilians were crippled. Every day, this strategy of a crowd of Afghans who are ready to surrender to the mercenaries to the forces of the Taliban, is growing: they now have what to avenge. Moreover, according to the Islamist interpretation, not the United States alone is to blame for this, but the entire Western world. So the invasion of Afghanistan could be our biggest mistake. ”

"This is a catastrophe. I hope that Afghanistan will be a lesson and we will no longer take part in the active phase of NATO’s military operations outside Europe, ”laments the Danish journalist who has passed through Iraq and Afghanistan. Similar sentiments are popular in other European countries. From the universal savior and defender of the Second World War, the USA became a brutal occupier, and the first truly major joint operation of NATO resulted in a series of unmotivated losses caused, among other things, by inadequate actions of the American army. It is not surprising that the United States could not find anyone willing to get involved in new conflicts in the Middle East, and among the European politicians and the military there was talk of a crisis of the North Atlantic alliance. And soon reducing the number of its members.

TABLES:

1. Number of ISAF member countries killed in contingents in 2001-2013 (as a percentage of the number of employees)
1. Denmark - 0,547%
2. Estonia - 0,409%
3. Canada - 0,397%
4. Romania - 0,384%
5. Georgia - 0,362%
6. UK - 0,329%
7. Netherlands - 0,320%
8. Germany - 0,270%
9. Italy - 0,260%
10. Spain - 0,233%
11. Australia - 0,200%
12. Poland - 0,180%
13. Turkey - 0,166%
14. United States - 0,152%

2. Number of injured in contingents of ISAF member countries in 2001-2013 (as a percentage of the number of employees)

1. Norway - 11,186%
2. UK - 5,225%
3. Canada - 5,117%
4. Estonia - 4,181%
5. Denmark - 2,221%
6. Romania - 1,938%
7. Netherlands - 1,794%
8. Georgia - 1,650%
9. Turkey - 1,400%
10. Australia - 1,305%
11. France - 1,318%
12. United States - 1,299%

PS Household Service

“American camps are much better than German ones. Just many times better! - admits Johannes Koshorrek, former corporal of the Bundeswehr. - We had only two dishes to choose from in the dining room, some baking and some fruit. And the Americans in a huge building of the main dishes alone distributed at least a dozen, plus various hot drinks, a large assortment of juices, even potato chips. And also a huge bar with salads ... If Americans come somewhere, they immediately settle for a long time. They have this: they take the country entirely and for free! ”

Material prepared by the Stringer Bureau of International Investigations
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  1. My address
    My address 22 December 2013 07: 49
    +18
    H-Yes.
    Shitty state on the North American continent. It is the state, not the country.
    Perhaps it is time to solemnly, under the beat of the drums, rename arrogant Saxons into shit-aglaosaks? After all, gross-shaving, as a state, is similar.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 22 December 2013 08: 20
      +41
      Crap is not crap, but they are sent forward, first of all, ALIENS, not OWNERS. And we are OUR, for there is no one else. We spend our gene pool and bring grief to our own homes.
      But one could create something like a Russian foreign legion, recruit Gaster and go! At the same time, they will learn Russian. wassat
      1. valokordin
        valokordin 22 December 2013 08: 38
        +16
        Quote: Kibalchish
        Crap is not crap, but they are sent forward, first of all, ALIENS, not OWNERS. And we are OUR, for there is no one else. We spend our gene pool and bring sorrow to our own homes. But you could create something like a Russian foreign legion, recruit Gaster and go! At the same time, they will learn Russian.

        A sound thought, only apart from the language would teach them to think in Russian
        1. Muadipus
          Muadipus 22 December 2013 16: 53
          +2
          teach them to think in Russian
          For this you need to be born Russian
          1. Ivan.
            Ivan. 22 December 2013 17: 24
            +3
            Quote: Muadipus
            teach them to think in Russian
            For this you need to be born Russian

            Yes, that's not the point, if we introduce them to Russian culture, we will cease to perceive them as strangers and will not send them to the slaughter, but we will stand side by side - we are not the "main" and not the "chosen" and not even "gentlemen" but this "holy" trinity is not disdain.
          2. washi
            washi 22 December 2013 18: 40
            +6
            Quote: Muadipus
            teach them to think in Russian
            For this you need to be born Russian

            Russian ethical concept.
            Russian can not be born. You can be born Krivich, Vyatich, Eskimo, Turkmen, etc.
            You can only become Russian.
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 22 December 2013 20: 02
              0
              Quote: Vasya
              Quote: Muadipus
              teach them to think in Russian
              For this you need to be born Russian

              Russian ethical concept.
              Russian can not be born. You can be born Krivich, Vyatich, Eskimo, Turkmen, etc.
              You can only become Russian.


              And who are you, sorry, krivich? or vyatich? maybe an eskimo ?? laughing
              1. Vasyan1971
                Vasyan1971 22 December 2013 21: 55
                +2
                You need to look farther! Australopithecus or Cro-Magnon.
            2. Muadipus
              Muadipus 23 December 2013 01: 28
              +2
              You can only become Russian.
              I do not want to seem anti-Semite. But I hardly imagine, for example, a former Jewish boy who grew up in a foster Russian family from infancy. But so that no one could recognize in adulthood, in him a Jew.

              Here I can imagine a similar situation with a Chinese or Ethiopian (except for external racial signs, of course), but I can’t imagine a Jew, a Georgian, a Chechen, an Italian idr (I don’t think the list is big). there are ethnic groups whose individuality is deeply written in the genes.

              Threat 1. there are Russians, but there are Russians. the only difference is that the first is really all the same (they care about higher matters), and the second, as a rule, is not much indifferent, they put in efforts and spent part of their life to understand the souls of those living nearby. Usually the light of the nation and the pride of the Russian people come together from the second group. Scroll through the encyclopedia that it’s not Russian pride that’s so necessary -shtein, -shvili, -ovsky, etc.

              PS2: I still think that you can only be born Russian. And it doesn’t matter that the mother gave birth to a Bashkir or a Belorussian. It is important to be among the carriers of Russian culture from the cradle.

              Threat 3. I have vinaigrette in my blood. But I was born as Russian, grew up and raised as Russian, and I will die Russian. - and this is just the other half of my relatives from Ukraine who cannot understand. I am Russian!!! this fact will not even be circumcised.
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 23 December 2013 01: 36
                +1
                Is it like a stone in my garden? Do you want to discuss this topic?
                1. Muadipus
                  Muadipus 23 December 2013 01: 58
                  +3
                  Not any stones. In no case, especially since I do not know you. And to discuss this topic. Need vodka and a good snack :)

                  and in continuation of the topic:

                  Being Russian is not a merit, but a burden.
                  When the alarm is on the run,
                  Hold the belly of kurguzo,
                  We grab hold of it and take it down.

                  Forget about your own trouble and pain,
                  Not getting smarter at all until gray ...
                  To be Russian means to be a warrior in the field,
                  Even if you are alone in this field.

                  Being Russian is not a reward, but a retribution.
                  Because the world’s soul is rebellious,
                  You stand up for a stranger, like a brother,
                  And then he will sell you ...

                  Being Russian is shameful and shameful,
                  When we are behind the barbed line
                  They used to harvest their grain
                  For children not a Russian, but a stranger.

                  We are Russians. fooling around and pampering
                  When grabbing the snow with a hangover mouth
                  To any hell we climb with a kiss
                  Expecting a bloodstream then ...

                  The people live, guided by a gloomy fate,
                  For the fatherly way and his image
                  Trustingly paying for the skin,
                  Although, more often - the head.

                  We are Russians. We are with unholy love
                  Breaking fraternally poor loaf,
                  And in gratitude we hear above ourselves
                  Just two words: "must!" and "come on!"

                  Being Russian is not a joy, but a poison,
                  With unproductive sadness on the brow
                  Paying from ancient times - generously and bloodily -
                  Because you live on your own land.

                  Being Russian means blocking the way for bandits,
                  That trample our land with a boot.
                  To be Russian means to be killed
                  Fellow more often than the enemy.

                  To be Russian means to stand against the wall,
                  And let the whole bastard shoot you
                  But before her don't fall on her knees,
                  Mercy, grabbing the boot, asking.

                  Being Russian is a job, duty and share
                  Protect the holy honor of the earth
                  From the aliens that their Talmud is musol,
                  Two thousand years led us to the abyss.

                  We are Russians. We are on the chopping block
                  Casting an eye over my father’s eye,
                  But the beggar’s last shirt,
                  Without delay, we habitually give.

                  To be Russian is providence and right,
                  Not fearing either a bullet or a knife,
                  Stubbing stubbornly and rough,
                  Not inferior to the mates of the line.

                  To be Russian means to grow bread in bad weather.
                  And there is no rain - even with blood drizzle.
                  But still, what happiness is it -
                  Be Russian! Among the Russians! In Russia!

                  I grow Russian and tender seed
                  Not because someone else’s clan is filthy,
                  But let the tribe describe it like this
                  Some Jew or gypsy.

                  To be Russian means to be in reliable strength.
                  And despise the native land bargaining.
                  It’s not for nothing that the Suvorov rivers under Izmail:
                  - We are Russians! Hooray! What a delight! ..

                  I am Russian! Heart, spirit, jerk of the skin.
                  I am proud of my ancient nickname.
                  Don’t give me, even for a moment, at least in some way, God,
                  Not to become Russian, but someone else! ..

                  (c) Evgeny Skvoreshnev
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 23 December 2013 02: 03
                    +1
                    If you do not understand me, excuse me. I just also have compote. And my children ... ... they have full vinaigrette! There are Tatars and Russians and Germans. So it happened ...
                    1. Muadipus
                      Muadipus 23 December 2013 02: 20
                      0
                      :) as my father-in-law says (Russian, but by the blood of Ingush) - So you have revealed the secret of the origin of the Russian people. )))
                      1. Day 11
                        Day 11 23 December 2013 02: 30
                        0
                        My daughter asks me: "Dad, am I Russian?" --- No, Zaya, you are half-Russian --- half-Tatar. Without mentioning German blood. Although she knows it too
                      2. Muadipus
                        Muadipus 23 December 2013 02: 40
                        +1
                        I have a fun example.
                        I have two friends - two brothers. Their mother is Russian, the father is Tatar. The eldest is named Vladislav, the youngest is Ruslan.
                        So the time has come to receive a passport (in those days there was a column of nationality)
                        Vladik says: - My father is Tatar, then Iya Tatar. and recorded.
                        Ruslan’s time has come, he says: “Well, what kind of a Tatar am I?” you look at me (light blond with green eyes) I am Russian. and recorded. :) So it turned out that one brother is a Tatar and the second is Russian.

                        I’m saying that you can’t discuss in any way without vodka on this topic)))
                      3. Day 11
                        Day 11 23 December 2013 02: 48
                        +1
                        He’s definitely an old man! Russia --- she’s multinational. And Tatars, I’m honestly telling you, beautiful women! I’ve been living with her for 20 years, I know she’s done well (in every sense). is from the heart
                      4. Muadipus
                        Muadipus 23 December 2013 02: 58
                        +1
                        The best mix that I have come across is the Tatar father and the mother of Belarus. I squealed with delight, still regret letting go of that girl. Her father gave her all the best that is in the Tatar people, and her mother taught her to make potato pancakes and borsch.
                      5. Day 11
                        Day 11 23 December 2013 03: 08
                        +1
                        I am definitely sure that beautiful children come from mixed marriages!
                      6. Muadipus
                        Muadipus 23 December 2013 03: 26
                        0
                        So, it is proved by science.
                      7. Fox
                        Fox 23 December 2013 07: 04
                        0
                        Quote: Den 11

                        Den 11 (5) Today, 03:08 ↑ ↓ New
                        I am definitely sure that beautiful children come from mixed marriages!

                        despite what to mix ... and the Tatars are Germans and Russians from one derivative. so don’t be fooled about this.
                2. Muadipus
                  Muadipus 23 December 2013 02: 55
                  +1
                  Another example:
                  my father-in-law bears a Russian surname by mother and a Russian name, grew up without a father. he had a daughter and a son (my wife’s brother) and they gave him a Russian name and naturally the Russian surname of his father .. all are Mlyn three times Russian and not once a Tatar. and in Wives I got naturally Russian. :) so far everything is clear. BUT!
                  Not so long ago 3 years ago. the father-in-law got through from the program "Wait for me" his father was looking for him, you mean my wife's grandfather. It turned out that he offended his grandmother, threw her with a belly, and by the end of his life he decided to find her. well this is the lyrics. the trick is that he is Ingush.

                  And here is the dilemma: Father-in-law was born and raised by a Russian, his son was born and raised by a Russian, and by blood they are Ingush.

                  The story does not end there. The son, that is Russian, and by the blood of Ingush, fell in love and married a Tatar. Tatarka such that all Tatars Tatars. I ask them: - here your son will be born, what nationality he will be if his father is Ingush and his mother is Tatar. The answer was categorical - Russian !.

                  Threat)) here during this discussion father-in-law and betrayed that I revealed the secret of the formation of the Russian people.
                3. Day 11
                  Day 11 23 December 2013 02: 59
                  0
                  Interesting story. It happens
      2. Jarilo
        Jarilo 23 December 2013 14: 20
        0
        Quote: Muadipus
        To be Russian -

        Thanks for the poem! Everything to the point.
        Spirituality invested in words. The motto of life. So we will live, we can all!
  • Rusich51
    Rusich51 23 December 2013 19: 56
    -1
    Quote: Muadipus
    teach them to think in Russian
    For this you need to be born Russian

    The article is informative. But as if he went to a butcher's shop. Gringo is not ice. For some reason, this statement does not surprise or upset anymore. Accustomed to the smell.
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  • sledgehammer102
    sledgehammer102 22 December 2013 09: 50
    +9
    Quote: Kibalchish
    Crap is not crap, but they are sent forward, first of all, ALIENS, not OWNERS. And we are OUR, for there is no one else. We spend our gene pool and bring grief to our own homes.

    Where is it so? I mean, what kind of a conflict was it, where did we have the opportunity to choose whom to send?

    Although the idea of ​​a "foreign legion" as in France is interesting, I really think it will only be possible to use it abroad and separately from the rest of the forces, so as not to be surprised later what the hell of a part of the "legion" throughout the "country", and only ambushes Russian motorized infantry, and in the deep rear.
  • mamba
    mamba 22 December 2013 09: 53
    +19
    Quote: Kibalchish
    ... send forward, first of all, ALIENS, not YOURSELF.

    a scandal erupted in Georgia in February 2012 over a visit to Afghanistan by pro-American President Mikheil Saakashvili. “Together with the Americans, he arranged a joint special operation for public relations, during which Georgian servicemen died,” says military expert Irakli Sesiashvili.
    Eh, Mishiko, before showing off to Big Brother, it would be better to follow our advice:
    1. zvereok
      zvereok 22 December 2013 13: 50
      +1
      Sabakashvili, found a job the other day, a diplomacy teacher at some Amer’s institute.
      1. avg
        avg 22 December 2013 21: 40
        0
        That will be a lie. I read about one such 40 year old professor. He confidentially told American students how they in Tbilisi, in the beginning of the 80s, at night in the basements listened to “Voice of America, drowned out by the howling sirens of KGB cars and the heartbreaking cries of children and women, who were being driven by the Russian invaders into the gloomy Gulag.
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 22 December 2013 21: 57
        0
        This one will teach!
  • S_mirnov
    S_mirnov 22 December 2013 10: 04
    +21
    Quote: Kibalchish
    Crap is not crap, but they are sent forward, first of all, ALIENS, not OWNERS. And we are OUR, for there is no one else. We spend our gene pool and bring grief to our own homes.

    The army must conduct military operations, otherwise it turns into a parasitic structure.
    Only during combat operations do soldiers and officers gain combat experience, which cannot be replaced by training. Officers get the opportunity to advance through the service thanks to their talents to lead troops !!! Indeed, in peacetime, those who are better able to report to their superiors or thieves and gradually occupy all general posts are promoted. THOSE. leadership positions are occupied not by those people who know how to effectively destroy the enemy, but can effectively satisfy the bosses.
    This is exactly the situation in our army in the initial period of the Second World War, then when the war put forward those who know how to fight to military positions, our country began to win.
    As a result of constant small wars, the American army is in good shape! And losses are normal for the army, if you don't want to risk your life, build a civilian career!
    1. 222222
      222222 22 December 2013 15: 02
      +6
      S_mirnov (4) SU Today, 10:04 PM ↑
      The United States Army, and their NATO allies, are constantly in wars .. I don’t see any bright victories or commanders either .. Maybe they’re fighting the wrong ones?
      But did the USSR army improve after Afghanistan?
      And they hold positions in the thieves and on the shaggy paw - the state system is rotten ..
      .. "The American army is in good shape!" - Visit the US Defense Ministry website - weekly reports on suicide in the military ...
      1. ty60
        ty60 22 December 2013 18: 47
        +2
        I agree, however, tone is an important factor. Repetition is the mother of learning
      2. washi
        washi 22 December 2013 19: 02
        +2
        Quote: 222222
        But did the USSR army improve after Afghanistan?

        She did not improve after Vietnam, Angola
        In it, after the death of the IVS, a window dress developed, Theft, not the effective use of the armed forces (in modern language)
        Instead of combat training - harvesting.
        Instead of masking - painting borders and tracks on the position.
        Thanks can be said to the thief and the ostentatious Zhukov with his friends.
        I hate the Trotskyists.
      3. Blackgrifon
        Blackgrifon 22 December 2013 21: 08
        +3
        Quote: 222222
        But did the USSR army improve after Afghanistan?


        Did it get worse? The army was battered before the PCH due to the collapse of the USSR, a treacherous destructive policy, and the development of contempt for duty in society. But when these problems were partially overcome in the early 000s, the Armed Forces quickly suppressed large NBFs in Chechnya. And in 2008, when the Georgian army trained and equipped according to American standards with the support of American military advisers attacked South Ossetia and our peacekeepers, within a few hours it was defeated by the advanced units (numerically inferior to the enemy) of our troops of the warring military district itself.
        1. 222222
          222222 22 December 2013 21: 59
          +5
          There was another army in 2008. And this year, the North Caucasus Military District exercise, scheduled for September, was held in July. The army knew what it was preparing for and was ready.
          In 1987, he planted a rust in Moscow and removed the hunchbacked top of the army ..
          Since 1989, Soviet wax began to withdraw from Europe. The Western group of forces ceased to exist on August 31, 1994. In September 1992, the Southern Group of Forces ..
          In connection with the transformations in the USSR and other countries of Central and Eastern Europe, on February 25, 1991, the ATS member states abolished its military structures, and on July 1, 1991 in Prague signed the Protocol on the complete termination of the Treaty.
          August 18 - 21, 1991 - the "Gorbachev putsch" ... And neither the glorious KGB nor the Army even moved. And this was a war - a war against the Soviet Union .. a war to return it to the past .. to the initial stage of capitalism ..
    2. avg
      avg 22 December 2013 22: 25
      0
      And losses - this is normal for the army, do not want to risk your life - build a civil career!

      Himself had a chance to fight?
  • Alex Danilov
    Alex Danilov 22 December 2013 10: 36
    +18
    Therefore, you are still the largest country that it is with your blood and bones that you protect your land.
    1. washi
      washi 22 December 2013 18: 51
      +2
      Quote: Alex Danilov
      Therefore, you are still the largest country that it is with your blood and bones that you protect your land.

      Do not speak correctly.
      WE are a country.
      Or have you decided in the EU?
      1. Alex Danilov
        Alex Danilov 22 December 2013 23: 47
        +1
        I do not understand the question.
        1. Muadipus
          Muadipus 23 December 2013 13: 53
          +2
          Well, what is not clear))
          You from Belarus in your post refer to the Russians as "you are a country", and you are being corrected. with an eye on the union of Belarus and Russia. that it is correct to say "We are a country", especially since everything that Russia and Belarus has is the merit of each side. We are one people.
  • Far East
    Far East 22 December 2013 11: 40
    +4
    Quote: Kibalchish
    not YOURSELF. And we are OUR, for there is no one else. We spend our gene pool and bring grief to our own homes.

    Dear, here you are similar to those about whom the article is written! are you going to hide behind your back? you still have the USSR flag yes! hi
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 22 December 2013 13: 22
    +9
    Quote: Kibalchish
    Crap is not crap, but they are sent forward, first of all, ALIENS, not OWNERS. And we are OUR, for there is no one else. We spend our gene pool and bring grief to our own homes.
    But one could create something like a Russian foreign legion, recruit Gaster and go! At the same time, they will learn Russian. wassat

    As for the one who disagrees, we simply have a different approach — we have no strangers or goyim. -! They spend the gene pool in bed; it is customary for us to fulfill our duty. We were brought up with a thirst for self-esteem, they with a sense of superiority, guess who is behind this.
  • zadotov
    zadotov 22 December 2013 13: 54
    -1
    A smart state with a smart army is what we built in Afghanistan — it helped us? If you’re planning to fight, you don’t need sentiments, do what you need. And don’t do cheap distribution of chocolates. All the same, no one will appreciate it, it’s a war, and different slogans like: we bring freedom is just another cover for another cover for another slaughter.
    1. washi
      washi 22 December 2013 19: 09
      +1

      Quote:
      A smart state with a smart army is what we built in Afghanistan — it helped us? If you’re planning to fight, you don’t need sentiments, do what you need. And don’t do cheap distribution of chocolates. All the same, no one will appreciate it, it’s a war, and different slogans like: we bring freedom is just another cover for another cover for another slaughter.

      Despite the betrayal of Khrushchev, and then Gorbachev and Yeltsin, Cuba, Vietnam, Mongolia are still ours.
      And there would be Angola. South Africa, Nicaragua, China, Venezuela, All of Europe, the Philippines, India, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, etc.
      Entrusted the clowns with the STATE to lead.
  • knn54
    knn54 22 December 2013 14: 01
    +9
    The Yankees are not fools
    themselves do not risk.
    There is still a lackey ... ki,
    let them fight.
  • воронов
    воронов 22 December 2013 17: 33
    +1
    Quote: Kibalchish
    в

    Our Gaster, and they are all from the former Soviet republics, will not go to any legions, they are not so bad with us and then they have a Soviet upbringing, and during the time of the union the vast majority fought Russians, I also include Ukrainians and Belarusians there and others, if they fell into the army, then, as a rule, in the construction battalion and in the BB.
    1. ty60
      ty60 22 December 2013 18: 51
      +3
      Bread cutters, cooks, captors, well, we all remember. And on the fire, there are only Russian Vanki, Belarusians, Tatars, Ukrainians. I talk a lot with them and in civilian life.
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 22 December 2013 22: 58
      +3
      quote
      Quote: voronov
      Quote: Kibalchish
      в

      Our Gaster, and they are all from the former Soviet republics, will not go to any legions, they are not so bad with us and then they have a Soviet upbringing, and during the time of the union the vast majority fought Russians, I also include Ukrainians and Belarusians there and others, if they fell into the army, then, as a rule, in the construction battalion and in the BB.
      - Have you heard anything about the Muslim battalion in Afghanistan? And our Kara-Major (by flag)? I hope there is no need to talk about the special forces soldier who alone in the years of WW2 captured a battalion of fascists? Of course, there are many glorious Russian fighters, but, firstly, the population is still many times larger than all the others combined, and having added here more Belarusians and Ukrainians, especially Ukrainians, for example, I have heard little about Kazakh policemen, about policemen with Galicia - alas, too many, you with this lie (otherwise your assertion that "besides the Russians, where Ukrainians and Belarusians are included, no one else fought" - this is a lie! And shameless!) chauvinism, so we ran into a similar attitude of mine. Once again, I will not tolerate this, let’s somehow learn to "raise the taiga without humiliating the steppe", paraphrasing the famous poet Olzhas Suleimenov. S-Mirnov also somehow "pulled back" Esaul, trying to correct him on this topic. So you try to assert yourself at the expense of others? There are no other ways?
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 22 December 2013 23: 10
        +3
        I can tell you my friend --- You are one of the few nations that did not sell to the Hans! I dug for a long time and persistently about everyone, but you really failed! Even I found Uyghurs in the Wehrmacht! You should be proud of your people! Respectfully !!!
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 23 December 2013 01: 48
          +1
          Quote: Den 11
          I can tell you my friend --- You are one of the few nations that did not sell to the Hans! I dug for a long time and persistently about everyone, but you really failed! Even I found Uyghurs in the Wehrmacht! You should be proud of your people! Respectfully !!!
          drinks
        2. Muadipus
          Muadipus 23 December 2013 02: 18
          +2
          +1 I fully support you.
          neither in the history of the Russian Empire, nor in the USSR, nor in the 90s when Russia was as weak as ever. Kazakhs have always been Russian most reliable friends.
          Old Truth - Friends are tested in trouble.
          For me, I’m more likely to trust Kazakh than Ukrainian.
          Kazakhs are a people whose ethnic identity is closely intertwined with Russian national identity.
          I met Kazakhs who were more Russian than many of us.
      2. rodevaan
        rodevaan 23 December 2013 05: 16
        +4
        Quote: aksakal
        quote
        Quote: voronov
        Quote: Kibalchish
        в

        Our Gaster, and they are all from the former Soviet republics, will not go to any legions, they are not so bad with us and then they have a Soviet upbringing, and during the time of the union the vast majority fought Russians, I also include Ukrainians and Belarusians there and others, if they fell into the army, then, as a rule, in the construction battalion and in the BB.
        - Have you heard anything about the Muslim battalion in Afghanistan? And our Kara-Major (by flag)? I hope there is no need to talk about the special forces soldier who alone in the years of WW2 captured a battalion of fascists? Of course, there are many glorious Russian fighters, but, firstly, the population is still many times larger than all the others combined, and having added here more Belarusians and Ukrainians, especially Ukrainians, for example, I have heard little about Kazakh policemen, about policemen with Galicia - alas, too many, you with this lie (otherwise your assertion that "besides the Russians, where Ukrainians and Belarusians are included, no one else fought" - this is a lie! And shameless!) chauvinism, so we ran into a similar attitude of mine. Once again, I will not tolerate this, let’s somehow learn to "raise the taiga without humiliating the steppe", paraphrasing the famous poet Olzhas Suleimenov. S-Mirnov also somehow "pulled back" Esaul, trying to correct him on this topic. So you try to assert yourself at the expense of others? There are no other ways?


        “I am Russian,” but I completely agree with you. Do not be nervous, sometimes a person will say stupid, just not thinking! We all fought together - as a single people and a single impulse, and with one mentality! I emphasize this! WITH ONE MENTALITY! And rushed under the tanks with grenades, and single-handedly recaptured the position from the enemy who was pressing on all sides. And Russians, and Kazakhs, and Tatars and Ukrainians. Everyone was like one in those years. Therefore, there is nothing to divide, nothing to divide into nationalities. We were one people, I hope they will remain in the future!
  • sub307
    sub307 22 December 2013 18: 42
    +1
    And yet - "It's like this: they take the whole country for free!"
    Well, that means - the bastards know how to do it. Et, with us - always wanting the best, and to get it, as always, is to achieve anything: by heroic efforts and abundantly pouring blood on the dear spaces and foreign territories. As a result, get the fact: "the defeated" live better than the "winners".
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 23 December 2013 05: 20
      +4
      Quote: sub307
      And yet - "It's like this: they take the whole country for free!"
      Well, that means - the bastards know how to do it. Et, with us - always wanting the best, and to get it, as always, is to achieve anything: by heroic efforts and abundantly pouring blood on the dear spaces and foreign territories. As a result, get the fact: "the defeated" live better than the "winners".


      - There is a saying - "Well done, - yes, everyone is against lambs and sheep." To declare terrorists and disperse a herd of sheep in the mountains, and bomb weddings in villages with the help of drones - you don't need a lot of cleverness! It's just that these blows have never met a serious rival. All chase single fanatics across the desert and mountains. And in the Ardennes, at one time the Fritzes gave them a light, so they immediately yelled, they remembered about the saving Red Army.
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  • Alex Danilov
    Alex Danilov 22 December 2013 23: 41
    +2
    Kibalchish
    If Russia becomes like the United States, and Russian-like bloody Americans smelly vile, it’s the end.
  • Airman
    Airman 22 December 2013 11: 30
    +8
    Quote: My address
    H-Yes.
    Shitty state on the North American continent. It is the state, not the country.
    Perhaps it is time to solemnly, under the beat of the drums, rename arrogant Saxons into shit-aglaosaks? After all, gross-shaving, as a state, is similar.

    The longer Americans and their allies stay in Afghanistan, the greater their spending on waging war and the greater discontent among their people, and the greater the resistance among Afghans. It is beneficial for us.
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 22 December 2013 13: 44
      +1
      Quote: Povshnik
      The longer Americans and their allies stay in Afghanistan, the greater their spending on waging war and the greater discontent among their people, and the greater the resistance among Afghans. It is beneficial for us.

      viacheslav - unfortunately we have only one thing left to do - self-complacency, we can’t do more yet.
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 23 December 2013 05: 23
        +1
        Quote: Ivan.
        Quote: Povshnik
        The longer Americans and their allies stay in Afghanistan, the greater their spending on waging war and the greater discontent among their people, and the greater the resistance among Afghans. It is beneficial for us.

        viacheslav - unfortunately we have only one thing left to do - self-complacency, we can’t do more yet.


        “But we don’t need more yet.” Let them sit there while sitting. The more they lurk in that swamp, the better for us. They have an incorrigible debt hole, so let them go down to the bottom.
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 22 December 2013 13: 51
      0
      Quote: Povshnik
      The longer Americans and their allies stay in Afghanistan, the greater their spending on waging war and the greater discontent among their people, and the greater the resistance among Afghans. It is beneficial for us.

      How can it be beneficial to find the troops of a potential enemy near the borders of our Motherland !!? Do not take on faith the words of one not very smart politician said on TV! In fact, he simply lied to cover another betrayal of the interests of the Russian Federation.
      1. Airman
        Airman 22 December 2013 15: 55
        +1
        Quote: S_mirnov

        How can it be beneficial to find the troops of a potential enemy near the borders of our Motherland !!? Do not take on faith the words of one not very smart politician said on TV! In fact, he simply lied to cover another betrayal of the interests of the Russian Federation.

        Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, has no border with Afghanistan. Or do you consider Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Tajikistan your homeland?
    3. Dilshat
      Dilshat 22 December 2013 17: 33
      0
      And how profitable for them! Selling drugs to Russia and Europe.
    4. Trinity
      Trinity 22 December 2013 20: 05
      +1
      I subscribe to what the air defense officer said. If the Americans (and NATO as a whole) leave Afghanistan, then all this "Islamist" infection (I do not mean orthodox Islam) will trample into the Central Asian republics and reach Kazakhstan. And Kazakhstan is already the underbelly of the Urals, where the two Muslim republics of Bashkiria and Tatarstan are located .And all this terrorist scum will already operate from these republics, since it will be easier to recruit "jihadists" from co-religionists. If now mainly explosions and killings are committed in Dagestan, Ingushetia, Chechnya, then all this can begin already in the Volga-Ural region and will spread further. So the long-term presence of amers in Afghanistan is vital for us.
  • washi
    washi 22 December 2013 18: 37
    0
    They can and d ... mo. More precisely, they are, but again they made others fight.
    I will only welcome when the Poles and the Israelis, Central Asians, die for US.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 24 December 2013 04: 25
      0
      Quote: Vasya
      They can and d ... mo. More precisely, they are, but again they made others fight.
      I will only welcome when the Poles and the Israelis, Central Asians, die for US.


      “So they are fighting for us - in Afghanistan!” This is almost the first time in history when Westerners are fighting for Russian interests, and even those who have always drawn us into wars. So they at least cover drug trafficking, and leave NATO from Afghanistan - all this narcotic dirt will pour into our former Churkostans in an uncontrolled flow. Let them sit there. And the longer the better. All this lingering swamp in which they settled there is for our benefit ...
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 22 December 2013 20: 40
    +2
    Every day of this strategy, crowds of Afghans who are ready to surrender to the Taliban’s mercenaries are growing: they now have something to avenge. Moreover, according to the Islamic interpretation, not only the United States, but the whole Western world are to blame. So the invasion of Afghanistan could be our biggest mistake. ”
    How could it be otherwise? America is a synonym for evil.
    If the "democrats" allegedly instilled evil in the USSR.
    So to themselves they themselves by their abomination and cruelty proved that they are evil. And for the remnants who do not know about it, they still continue to prove
  • Hudo
    Hudo 22 December 2013 07: 55
    +13
    “The American camps are much better than the German ones. Just a lot better! - admits Johannes Koshrekrat, former corporal of the Bundeswehr. - In our dining room there were only two dishes to choose from, a little some pastries and fruit. And among the Americans in the huge building, no less than a dozen main dishes were handed out, plus various hot drinks, a large assortment of juices, even potato chips.


    You are not allowed, Johannes, no juices, no pastries, especially chips. Either you didn’t come out with a snout, or the service life was not supposed to. Serve d'urachok - you will receive a badge
  • rpek32
    rpek32 22 December 2013 08: 11
    +4
    for these cattle, war looks like a game of computer shooter
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 22 December 2013 13: 49
      +3
      Quote: rpek32
      for these cattle, war looks like a game of computer shooter

      It doesn’t look like it is, it is not for nothing that so many computer shooters have been created in the world - this is the main part of their education system. I wonder how many weapons the United States population actually has if they buy them millions of pies every year?
  • makarov
    makarov 22 December 2013 08: 16
    +16
    "The fact is that medicine, body armor and Kevlar helmets save many lives. But thereby increase the number of injured. Moreover, it is modern ammunition, protecting vital organs, according to surgeons, leads to increased trauma and severe injuries .. "

    Repeatedly, on the pages of the site, he explained to readers and comments that bulletproof vests are not a panacea, that wounds are obtained similarly penetrating in severity. And taking into account the transience of modern combat, where the main task is to defeat (and not kill, as many people think) the enemy’s manpower, it is necessary to understand that the severity of non-penetrating wounds at least disables the fighter for the duration of the battle and this is the result achieved. Yes, of course, the use of body armor increases the psychological effect, saves lives, but still it is not a panacea, and this is required to convey to the minds of fighters in order to save knowledge of their lives.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 22 December 2013 11: 22
      +1
      One could still talk about the tale of defeat in the 70s, however, something like killer bullets like 7.62x39 is back in fashion. The wounded often often shoots anyway.
      1. sub307
        sub307 22 December 2013 19: 55
        +1
        Even as it shoots. Recently in St. Petersburg, two bodies were found in a collector's car: one was a driver, the other was a guard. In general, they shot each other. One fired 11 bullets from AK (AKM), the other 9 (?, But so it was sounded) from a pistol, the model was not specified. The shooting was carried out "point-blank".
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 22 December 2013 23: 14
          0
          Quote: sub307
          Even as it shoots. Recently in St. Petersburg, two bodies were found in a collector's car: one was a driver, the other was a guard. In general, they shot each other. One fired 11 bullets from AK (AKM), the other 9 (?, But so it was sounded) from a pistol, the model was not specified. The shooting was carried out "point-blank".
          - and there is an operative video filming on YouTube, how some American thug, after stopping the car, jumped out with a Kalashnikov (in the USA Kalashnikov is sold in the form of carbines, without automatic fire) began to shoot at the police. The police responded by opening fire, and by virtue of practice it was much more accurate. So, hitting this scumbag began with the first police shots, but the criminal ran right and left a couple of times, then (it was already evident that he was holding back from losing consciousness) he squatted down and managed to fire a few more shots before squatted to one side. I admit that the thug was drugged with drugs, but in a real battle the enemy can use approximately the same substances with psychotropic-analgesic effect. For example, it is suspected that such substances were used by the famous berserkers in their time. So the bullets are no longer just bullets, but specific bullets. What would get into the body - and there is no body, only an extensive red spot where the body was. Well, something like that.
          1. not main
            not main 23 December 2013 01: 50
            +1
            12,7 after falling into a running body: only legs run further!
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    2. ebrd
      ebrd 22 December 2013 13: 42
      +4
      Quote: makarov


      Repeatedly, on the pages of the site, he explained to readers and comments that bulletproof vests are not a panacea, that wounds are obtained similarly penetrating in severity. And taking into account the transience of modern combat, where the main task is to defeat (and not kill, as many people think) the enemy’s manpower, it is necessary to understand that the severity of non-penetrating wounds at least disables the fighter for the duration of the battle and this is the result achieved. Yes, of course, the use of body armor increases the psychological effect, saves lives, but still it is not a panacea, and this is required to convey to the minds of fighters in order to save knowledge of their lives.

      That's right Makarov ... moreover, when a bulletproof vest is pierced, the wound will be much more severe - the bullet collapses on the bulletproof vest plate (it turns out like a rosette) and also drives fragments of the plate and scraps of tissue into the wound - this causes a lot of blood loss and infection.
    3. Ivan.
      Ivan. 22 December 2013 13: 55
      +2
      Quote: makarov
      Repeatedly, on the pages of the site, he explained to readers and comments that body armor is not a panacea,

      Well, the panacea is not a panacea, of course the helmet pierces the helmet but often ricochets, if you do not use the armor it will not develop.
  • Sakmagon
    Sakmagon 22 December 2013 08: 37
    +8
    An article is not a minus and not a plus. Everything is on the surface.
    “Most ... believe that the American war strategy has failed, ... crowds of Afghans ready to surrender to the Taliban’s mercenaries are growing: they now have something to avenge. And ... not only the USA, but the whole Western world are to blame for this. ”

    This is called CHEEKING.Having filled up everything that is possible, to such an extent that they had to move to the Pacific theater of operations, in the hope that over time this hemorrhoid will resolve on its own, they do not forget to dump (literally, forcibly!) Their "allies" in the shit with the goal of:
    1. Not only to expose the EU to be the same culprit in what happened as the United States (which is the holy truth), but also to accustom the Middle East to the fact that THEIR crimes are not less than the American ones, and the European "twin towers" if not fatter, then, at least, much closer.
    2. Prevent emigrant hotbeds of tension in the EU competitive with them;
    3. Do not let the oil Middle East come to terms with the same European shlendra, bypassing the big boss.
    But the authors are also great! Drop the crocodile's tear:
    Thus, there is a high probability that the real losses of the allies in Afghanistan are much higher than officials say.

    ... and then they give us "killer" statistics -
    1. Number of ISAF member countries killed in contingents in 2001-2013 (as a percentage of the number of employees)
    1. Denmark - 0,547%
    2. Estonia - 0,409%

    Ento how ?! If there were a thousand Estonians, four died? And if there were 356 + the chef's dog? And how many of them have been in total? "Righteous Wrath" by the end of the article turned into a cheap farce. If "It is difficult to name the exact number of losses ... due to the lack of an authoritative independent source of information," then there was nothing to fence in.
    "The freest and most truthful press"their mother's leg ...
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 22 December 2013 13: 22
      +4
      Is it like Americans are evil, and Europeans are the rays of good, innocently slandered by evil amers? Schools came to build, and when they arranged it was mochilovo - how they were not at all. Because under the masks, under the command of some CIAshnikov, without issuing orders and, most offensively, they died at the same time! So I see for myself, people come from the hillock and declare to the Bundeswehr regiment - I am an evil CIAshnik! go and kill everyone in the neighboring village! And the German does not ask him for his name, nor order in form, but yells SO EXACT !! and runs to fulfill. Well, a golem truth, already plucking eyes ...
    2. Ivan.
      Ivan. 22 December 2013 14: 08
      +3
      Quote: Sacmagon
      An article is not a minus and not a plus. Everything is on the surface.

      I agree with the first and vice versa with the second. The surface is on that and the surface to hide the depth. They achieved their tasks: drugs are produced on an industrial scale, and these Taliban no longer interfere with drug trafficking, but on the contrary, the region is completely destabilized and that it doesn’t leave a small contingent and that’s not all ... There are more interesting questions: who are they and who their goal (not intermediate but final).
  • 11111mail.ru
    11111mail.ru 22 December 2013 08: 38
    +6
    Ping-do-s-s have never fought the Taliban, this is their own project, like the 2001 bombing of buildings in New York. In fact, they showed the whole world two planes crashing into two buildings, and for some reason, the THIRD (CIA office) also crashed under the sly of a crash! The Yusovites came to Afghanistan to take control and protection, or rather to "cover" the drug traffic. Only money, only business - nothing more! Russia will still have to rake their shit, American, shit anyway, when, after leaving the pin-do-s-s, the Taliban will cross the river and trample to the North, to our borders.
    1. Kazakh
      Kazakh 22 December 2013 11: 25
      -1
      Quote: 11111mail.ru
      Anyway, Russia will have to rake their shit anyway, when, after the departure of the pin-ups, the Taliban will cross the river and trample to the North, to our borders.

      and how do you imagine it in jeeps or on the train Dushanbe-Moscow
      1. Guun
        Guun 22 December 2013 12: 01
        0
        Many take the Taliban for idiots who climb under the blow of aviation and artillery, gathered in a heap go in a crowd to the base. Alas, this is a myth. They act in small groups, mask the master and ambush pose biting. They will go but only not towards Russia, they have Afghanistan, a country that needs to be taken under control and cleaned from those who helped the west.
      2. Guun
        Guun 22 December 2013 12: 01
        0
        Many take the Taliban for idiots who climb under the blow of aviation and artillery, gathered in a heap go in a crowd to the base. Alas, this is a myth. They act in small groups, mask the master and ambush pose biting. They will go but only not towards Russia, they have Afghanistan, a country that needs to be taken under control and cleaned from those who helped the west.
        1. alone
          alone 22 December 2013 12: 09
          +2
          Quote: Guun
          Alas this is a myth


          The Taliban are professionals with over 25 years of experience in military operations in the mountains. In current situations, there are no large units. These are groups of 10-20 people who are mobile, well armed and almost everyone, besides combat experience, has the skills to conduct a sabotage war. this is a very real force in Afghanistan, and after Nato’s departure, most likely the Taliban will again take power into their own hands.
        2. clidon
          clidon 22 December 2013 13: 19
          -1
          And after they take control of Afghanistan, install Sharia there, then where will they go? Why not north?
          1. alone
            alone 22 December 2013 14: 16
            +4
            )) So, therefore, I wrote that it is impossible to underestimate them. But whether you have read all the comments or not, some of them offer to supply Igla-S MANPADS)) this is what this commentary is about about the march to the North, in general, I do not know what is in their minds, but their allies from the Islamic Movement Uzbekistan, have quite definite plans about Central Asia. Well, they will not trample on Kazakhstan, because there are steppes, but they can beat the nerves of Tajiks, Uzbeks and Kyrgyz. the blow will take the 201st. for them the 201st main force in the region, which can place them. hi
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 22 December 2013 08: 45
    +7
    “American soldiers could, for example, lower their trousers in front of the Afghans performing the namaz, barely revealing the body below the belly button or ostentatiously chop the bacon, just for fun,”
    An exceptional nation ... Soon they will answer for everything!
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 22 December 2013 10: 15
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      “American soldiers could, for example, lower their trousers in front of the Afghans performing the namaz, barely revealing the body below the navel or ostentatiously chop the bacon, just like that, for the sake of laughter”, An exceptional nation

      Well, the fact that the US army consists of hoopoes is no longer a secret.
      The problem of all occupied countries and for one and their allies in the tactics used by the United States.
      I read the statements of the British military intelligence about the Americans in Afghanistan. The bottom line is that the Americans do not study the local mentality, practically do not negotiate, do not use intelligence other than UAVs, and immediately launch a missile strike. Then they go to the site to sort it out.
      Hence, just the catastrophic number of victims among the civilian population and for one allied military personnel.
      1. Vitaly Anisimov
        Vitaly Anisimov 22 December 2013 10: 30
        +3
        Quote: APASUS
        Americans do not study the local mentality, practically do not negotiate, do not use intelligence other than UAVs, and immediately launch a missile strike. Then they go to the place to sort it out.

        Afghans of Shuravi with nostalgia remember .. even the most vicious .. We not only fought there but tried to build something .. We respected (international duty) however .. Many good guys died there .. (Kingdom of heaven to them ..) Many countries already understood where the Americans’s blood there is devastation house .. and robbery .. (they’re afraid of them ..) They look at Russia with hope .. we are the only ones who can stop this mess (although we are licking our wounds now ..)
        1. alone
          alone 22 December 2013 10: 42
          +9
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Afghans of Shuravi with nostalgia remember ... even the most vicious.


          Vitaliy.Agans recall nostalgia for shurawi only when Russian journalists ask about it.The East is a delicate matter.If you even assume that, suddenly Russia goes to Afghanistan again to fight the Taliban and starts building a new country, the Afghans will start fighting against you again. Afghans have such a mentality. These people want to live the way they want to. They will fight with everyone who comes to them with moralizing. I would not particularly believe those who remember shurav with nostalgia during the interview. Surely, those who remember in words, Soviet soldiers and specialists were killed with weapons in their hands.
          1. smile
            smile 22 December 2013 14: 23
            +5
            alone
            In principle, you are right.
            But here I saw the filming of the meeting of our guys who visited Avgan and the Avgans, with whom they fought (ours drove through the "places of military glory" 5 years ago). It is clear that the Avghans covered the Pole - they sit, joyfully remember who, where, how, whom he killed. Their field commander sits right there ... The Avghans also say - yes, you were better than the Americans ... of course, it was not without eastern etiquette - you are right, but ... the journalist chose one, legless, and asks - and you Why do you praise the Russians, they chopped off your leg - he says, yes, I fought, I was young, I did not understand anything. but yours are really better than the Americans, they do not keep their word and generally do not consider us as people, we see ... then the Avgans began to invite ours - they say, instead of the Americans - ours - but you will shoot at us again, those - we we will not. but the Taliban, yes, they will ... and they became sad ...
          2. avg
            avg 22 December 2013 22: 18
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            Russia will again go to Afghanistan to fight with the Taliban and begin to build a country that is occupied, the Afghans will again start to fight against you. The Afghans have such a mentality.

            Of course it is. But, it happens that professionals have a sense of mutual respect, like a warrior to a warrior. True, this does not prevent them from hunting each other, but gives hope for a certain attitude in case of injury, captivity, etc. Often this happened in Africa. Although, this is perhaps not the case with Muslim fundamentalists.
  • stroporez
    stroporez 22 December 2013 08: 48
    +8
    I don’t understand one thing. Why are all sorts of Germans, French, etc. outraged !! ????? nigger clearly said-chosen nation -amerikantsy, all other --... ovno ... so therefore Nechay angry .....
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 22 December 2013 14: 13
      +1
      Quote: stroporez
      I don’t understand one thing. Why are all sorts of Germans, French, etc. outraged !! ?????

      Anochronism! laughing
      1. sub307
        sub307 22 December 2013 20: 13
        0
        Duc they are killed with the help of "friendly" fire, so they don't like it for some reason.
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  • Stinger
    Stinger 22 December 2013 08: 49
    0
    It would be nice to supply the Taliban with a good batch of Igla-S MANPADS, so that they adequately escort the humanities home.
    1. vasiliysxx
      vasiliysxx 22 December 2013 09: 19
      +4
      Stinger
      At one time, the Americans did just that, but they live far away on the drum, there were consequences, and here we are close by, recoil then tortures fool
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 22 December 2013 09: 35
      +8
      Quote: Stinger
      It would be nice to deliver to the Taliban a good batch of Igla-S MANPADS so that they would adequately carry out the humanities home.

      I don't know how the farewell would have gone, but all these MANPADS would soon surface in the North Caucasus with the corresponding consequences. And to the "benefactors" from ISAF
      It’s time to understand that Afghanistan is not a source of income, but a source of expenses. Including the lives of their citizens.
    3. alone
      alone 22 December 2013 10: 46
      +2
      Quote: Stinger
      It would be nice to supply the Taliban with a good batch of Igla-S MANPADS, so that they adequately escort the humanities home.


      Very interesting. It is so interesting that the Criminal Code sparkled eyes))
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 22 December 2013 14: 05
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        Very interesting. It is so interesting that the Criminal Code sparkled eyes))

        laughing good hi
    4. klim44
      klim44 22 December 2013 13: 33
      +2
      Put them rockets Iskander, have even more fun
  • vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx 22 December 2013 09: 01
    +3
    It’s normal that Amer NATO allies hate that Americans are good in Afghanistan, then the Germans die yes
    And judging by the upbringing of youth in Europe, soon soon Zverev alone with soaped asses will serve fool
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 22 December 2013 09: 01
    +6
    Quote: “Americans contemptuously call their allies meat for the grinder - meat for a meat grinder. And more specifically, meat that is about to become minced ... "

    The arrogance of Americans in relation to representatives of other peoples is well known. But to treat such allies with such cynicism is a true disgust. What else can you expect about the "exceptional" (according to Obama) nation of "supermen"? Only cruelty towards the civilian population and disdain for allies. Well what can I say, they are pigs and pigs.
  • mamba
    mamba 22 December 2013 09: 17
    +11
    “I don’t see any friendship, strategic partnership or respect for Georgian society,” politician George Khaindrava repeats to him. - I see from the American administration towards our people only cynicism and deceitful attitude. We are meat at a specific price. ”
    So you yourself wanted this. Even their homeland Sakartvelo (self-name of Georgia) began to be called, as the American state - Georgia. What friendship can a prostitute be ready for anything, even voluntary slavery? For that fought for it and ran!
    1. Stasi
      Stasi 22 December 2013 09: 32
      +9
      Totally agree with you! Americans do not even consider Europeans to be their own, what can we say about Georgians and other nations? This article once again shows the differences between Soviet soldiers and NATO. We fought much better and more efficiently than the Westerners. And it was very difficult for us, dushmans received huge help from the West with weapons, money and military specialists who trained the Mujahideen. Westerners are still lucky that the Taliban do not provide such assistance, otherwise the losses would have been huge.
      1. mamba
        mamba 22 December 2013 09: 47
        +7
        Quote: Stasi
        We fought much better and more efficiently than the Westerners.

        I agree with you. Somehow channel National Geographic showed a film about amerovsky special forces in Afghanistan. The off-screen announcer choked on swagger, describing their toughness and agreed that in only one operation of this unit, "they did more than the Soviets in 10 years of the Afghan war." I spat so hard that then I had to scrub the TV screen.
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 23 December 2013 10: 35
          0
          from the same series. it turns out that Soviet engineers were never able to solve the problem of destroying Abrams tanks from hand grenade launchers .......
  • rpek32
    rpek32 22 December 2013 09: 48
    +5
    LOSING OBAMA
    WORLD AWARDS

    “I am very good at killing people”
    This quote from Barack Obama was made public by American journalists Mark Halperin and John Haileman in his book Big Game. In 2012, the US president boasted this way during a discussion at the White House of operations involving drones.
    Needless to say, such a phrase is disgusting in the mouth of any person. But on the lips of the head of state, claiming a leading role in the world, a state that considers itself a stronghold of democracy, but at the same time participating in several wars at the other end of the world, such a phrase does not look like just stupid bragging, but a cynical declaration of the principles of foreign policy.
    The US military caused the most massive deaths of civilians in the XNUMXst century. The development of technology has allowed the U.S. Army to strike with unmanned aerial vehicles without risking the lives of its own soldiers, effectively turning the murder into a computer game.

    We, a community of thinking people united by the ideas of the Stringer Bureau of International Investigations, believe that the president of a country that brings death to peaceful people is not worthy to be a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, and we urge you to join the filing of the 2009 Barack Obama Prize.


    http://obamakills.org/index.php/ru/podpisatsya
    1. mamba
      mamba 22 December 2013 10: 07
      +2
      Quote: rpek32
      “I am very good at killing people” ...

      It seems to be an intellectual, not Bush the youngest, who himself did not understand that he was blundered, but a man with an elite higher education: a graduate of Columbia University and the School of Law at Harvard University. And therefore:
      Quote: rpek32
      ... such a phrase does not look like just stupid bragging, but a cynical declaration of the principles of foreign policy.

      Why be shy? The world's only superpower is allowed. angry
  • 020205
    020205 22 December 2013 09: 56
    +7
    I watched one film here so I heard there such a phrase (albeit in a sarcastic form): the United States Army is what the mind really rules))) But seriously, it turns me off from this state, or rather from their government, their rotten propaganda from their arrogance and confidence in their superiority over the others, if they do this with their allies in the first serious mess, they will soon not have these same allies, of course the Europeans have already tasted that fighting with the Americans side by side and also marching with them on parquet parades are two different things. Any Amer’s division or brigade (I don’t know exactly what they have there) is not worth a penny a simple company of RUSSIAN infantry
  • cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 22 December 2013 10: 00
    -2
    The fact is that medicine, body armor and Kevlar helmets save many lives. But thereby increasing the number of wounded. Moreover, it is modern ammunition, protecting vital organs, according to surgeons, which leads to increased trauma and serious injuries.

    How can a helmet and armor hurt a soldier? Yes, there have been fewer deaths, but this does not lead to an increase in injuries, in the first place it leads to a decrease in deaths, and injuries are related, it is better to be injured than a corpse.
    In general, it was in my opinion British surgeons who were descended from British scientists who proved that there were no British scientists.
    1. clidon
      clidon 22 December 2013 10: 35
      +2
      It is not noticeable that the article collected all the negativity that can be collected at all, I'm already worried about the Taliban. How are they there? Few corpses are already bad for military personnel. Good medicine, quick evacuation of the wounded is also terrible. Need to like before?
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 22 December 2013 20: 11
        -1
        Few corpses are already bad for the military

        We must shoot at the allies. American helicopter pilot (s)
    2. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 22 December 2013 20: 07
      0
      For those who like to talk about armored injuries, all manufacturers of bulletproof vests improve not only their armor qualities, but also their shock-absorbing properties, because they are not "British scientists" either.
      Here's an example for you picch bronik with a shock-absorbing ventilation system (such blue crap)
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 23 December 2013 15: 08
        0
        For "British scientists" from the site Military Review: when a bullet from an SVD rifle hits the bulletproof vest, it is flushed to a depth of 5cm (the length of the matchbox), these shock-absorbing systems allow you to place the bib of the bulletproof vest at a distance of 3 cm from the chest, which provides excellent shock absorption 3-4 classes of protection, not to mention 1 and 2.
  • Grenz
    Grenz 22 December 2013 10: 35
    +6
    And you noticed how this army goes on a parade - at a very indecent distance for men. We, as I recall, are at arm's length, and here at arm's length (yes, there are no distances like — they have already merged !!! Apparently, according to the decision of the European Union, they have moved to such distances to NATO)
    Basically, rabble fights from each country in Afghanistan (we went for easy money - because we don’t know how to work, but we’ve already been taught how to kill. After all, killing is easier than building). Hence the laws of the pirate community. The strong pack and substitute the weak. Here losses for the benefit are a report on the work done.
    In any case, while in the United States bucks are printed, you can always buy ear hunters on them.
  • TipTop44rus
    TipTop44rus 22 December 2013 10: 38
    +3
    How can a helmet and armor hurt a soldier? Yes, there have been fewer deaths, but this does not lead to an increase in injuries, in the first place it leads to a decrease in deaths, and injuries are related, it is better to be injured than a corpse.
    In general, it was in my opinion British surgeons who descended from British scientists who proved that there were no British scientists. [/ Quote]
    Yes, it’s very simple, where the bullet would have passed right through, with the armor it starts to re-reset. Thus causing even greater harm. In Chechnya, many preferred to go without them, or seriously strengthened.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 22 December 2013 20: 24
      +1
      And where the bullet would not have gone to the departure, it is reflected by a bronic.
      The bulletproof vest is not a panacea, it also has its own limit, protection classes have been created for this, if you would like you to not be taken at point-blank range by SVD, please: carry a 6th-class armor under 30 kg weight, and if you agree purely that you would not automatic, take yourself a normal 3rd-class armor plate, but then not that they shot heat-strengthened.
  • Lyokha79
    Lyokha79 22 December 2013 10: 48
    +5
    This is the result of propaganda of the "exclusiveness" of the American nation - you are plebeians, and we are the beacon of freedom and democracy, admire and admire us. This attitude towards other nationalities can be traced through the entire history of the United States, starting with the genocide of the indigenous population of America. The cultivation of the superiority of the American soldier over all others, which is carried out in the American army, gives a similar result in relation to, even to the allies. In general, there is no need to speak about the population of those countries that are "lucky" to face the American military. For the soldiers of the American army, these people are not even third class, but they are dust under their feet.
  • The fat man
    The fat man 22 December 2013 11: 11
    +7
    body armor and helmets made of Kevlar save many lives. But thereby increasing the number of wounded. Moreover, it is modern ammunition, protecting vital organs, according to surgeons, which leads to increased trauma and serious injuries.
    in 2001 I was put on my lip (7 days) because of these reasons, I decided to just pee off my helmet and then my vest. How much did I swear !!!!! Well, then for 3 days they decided to have mercy and release. all the same, I didn’t plead guilty back to Guba and deprived me of my vacation am
    equal to fathers commanders huge respect and honor laughing
    1. smile
      smile 22 December 2013 14: 29
      0
      The fat man
      Excuse me. But can you find out in which army this happened?
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 22 December 2013 19: 57
        0
        Lyubas in ours, Russian and lyubas in the guard.
        1. smile
          smile 23 December 2013 06: 50
          0
          cth; fyn
          7 days for a reservation? We have? Oh well, on the finger .... should have been .... uh related circumstances ... :)))
          1. cth; fyn
            cth; fyn 24 December 2013 10: 17
            0
            So then in our army everything is possible, the main thing is not to burn.
  • Corporal
    Corporal 22 December 2013 11: 23
    +3
    For good, each country should take care first of all about its interests, and secondly - about the interests of the allies.

    If Estonians, Georgians, and Europeans agreed to play according to Amer’s rules, then why do they blame Amers for their spinelessness?
  • Sharingan
    Sharingan 22 December 2013 11: 51
    -5
    War is war. Friendly fire is not uncommon. In a stressful combat situation, anything can happen.
    During the Soviet campaign in Afghanistan "out of nearly 14.400 killed and killed in Afghanistan, 1/3 died of suffocation, disease, self-shooting, friendly fire, drugs, or was shot by a court sentence."
    1. smile
      smile 22 December 2013 14: 38
      +4
      Sharingan
      1. You gave the data together with the killed civilian specialists.
      2. Mass exhaust gas poisoning really happened once in Salang ... once.
      3. The fact that non-combat losses were significant, especially from diseases, traffic accidents and careless handling of weapons is known, but your pearl about the shot smells even worse than the carbon monoxide in the Salang tunnel.
      By the way, the Americans in statistics on Aghan usually lead only to combat losses. And they do not lead at all PMC losses, the number of which is at least a third of the contingent, and which are engaged in the most dangerous cases, for example. wiring convoys.
      1. Sharingan
        Sharingan 23 December 2013 11: 13
        0
        Quote: smile
        but your pearl about the shot smells even worse

        Infa from the site of the veteran of the 66th separate motorized rifle brigade.
  • MAG
    MAG 22 December 2013 11: 52
    +4
    The article shows bad Yankees and good gay Europeans, but they are not. There is a video about the Norwegians in Afghanistan where the commander in front of the spetsukha inspires his soldiers and says "that you are hunters and they are prey-prey" and at the end everyone yells "to Valggala" several times. And about the relationship between the coalition, namely the soldiers, it has always been.
  • Iraclius
    Iraclius 22 December 2013 12: 03
    +5
    Be that as it may, but the Americans have achieved their goals and remain in Afghanistan. Although the contingent will be reduced, 9 of powerful forts are being built and taking into account the complete dominance of combat aviation and UAVs in the air, this will allow as much as possible (as far as possible for the mountainous terrain) control the entire territory of the country. They did this, and partly with the wrong hands and their little blood - something that they talked about in the USSR on the eve of the entry of our army into the DRA. But the Americans did it ... The experience of the enemy must be taken into account.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 22 December 2013 20: 44
      +2
      Quote: Iraclius
      Be that as it may, but the Americans have achieved their goals and remain in Afghanistan. Although the contingent will be reduced, 9 of powerful forts are being built and taking into account the complete dominance of combat aviation and UAVs in the air, this will allow as much as possible (as far as possible for the mountainous terrain) control the entire territory of the country.

      It cannot be that the Americans are in control of something now (all the more in the way described by you), and it is impossible, of course, to provide total control of ALL territory in the future with local garrisons (strong points) ...
      The time will come when the Americans will clearly see the inconsistency of such an approach, but the consequences of this "disentangle" to a greater extent we will have to ...
  • Sharingan
    Sharingan 22 December 2013 12: 08
    -5
    In short, the article is clearly biased. These Europeans made some strange whining. They themselves caved in and whined themselves, and even forgot how to fight, so the losses are.
    And, in general, this war is no better and no worse than the one that the USSR waged there. Geopolitics...
    1. smile
      smile 22 December 2013 14: 42
      +4
      Sharingan
      If we invaded Mexico. they would gouge the country and cultivate the cultivation of drugs there, then our actions would not be better than American ones. But since we climbed into Avgan at the repeated requests of his government (and because of our stupidity) - this looks completely different.
      1. Sharingan
        Sharingan 22 December 2013 16: 13
        -7
        Yeah, the nightly assassination of the Afghan president looks completely different.
        And distances in geopolitics do not matter. Only the interests of the state are of significance, therefore Soviet officers and warrant officers fought almost all over the world.
        1. smile
          smile 22 December 2013 20: 30
          +2
          Sharingan
          Do not pretend to be dull, you are not stupid.
          To understand the difference, imagine that we really invaded Mexico ... and that would be ...
          And geography is very important for geopolitics, which increases exponentially when approaching the borders ... and you just can not know this ...

          By the way, it would be strange if we, wanting to survive in the Cold War that we had not yet announced, did not try to oppose our geopolitical opponents ... I remind you, it was about survival .... Yes, you all understand .... but to me it is unclear what motivates you ... such things ... :)))
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 22 December 2013 21: 12
          +5
          Quote: Sharingan
          Yeah, the nightly assassination of the Afghan president looks completely different.

          Amin was removed for slamming Tarki, the politician most loyal to the USSR. They removed it because the 15 of September 1979 made a coup d'etat. He introduced his relatives and associates into the new government, and the party turned into an appendage of a narrow group of people who usurped power. Far from being the last factor in eliminating Amin, he also received the education in the United States, being in power, showed a tendency to dictatorial methods of leadership, was not popular in the country and could well get out of control, trying to maintain and strengthen his own position. Another of the main factors was the Islamic revolution in Iran in April 19179, which, on the one hand, signified a weakening of the US position in the region, and on the other hand, posed a threat to Soviet influence in Afghanistan. The Soviet leadership reasonably feared that the possible victory of Muslim radicals in Afghanistan would cause instability in the Soviet republics of Central Asia.
          The decision to send troops to Afghanistan played a role in the fear of strengthening in the US region, which supported through Pakistan the Afghan fighters for the faith - the Mujahideen.
          Quote: Sharingan
          therefore, Soviet officers and warrant officers fought almost all over the world.
          So what? At that time, NATO officers and warrant officers were bringing peace to the world? ... This is an ARMY, not a gymnasium ... Do you know the text of the oath?
          1. Sharingan
            Sharingan 23 December 2013 10: 45
            0
            Quote: Tersky
            Amin was removed for slamming Tarki, the most loyal politician to the USSR

            Duc and about it. What is better than what the Americans did with Saddam. They even portrayed the appearance of the court, and did not kill, consider, in bed. And in Afghanistan they have the same enemy as the USSR.
            Then they said that we are invaders, now we say that they are invaders. That’s how it turned out.

            Quote: Tersky
            So what? At that time, did NATO officers and warrant officers bring peace to the world?

            When the lords fight, at the lackeys forelocks crack. Well, I say, geopolitics. There are no good and bad, there are friends and strangers.


            Quote: smile
            And geography is very important for geopolitics, which increases exponentially when approaching the borders ... and you just can not know this ...

            You see, what’s the matter here, if the Americans got in there, there’s interest, there’s nothing to be done, either direct or exponential. Where do you think the very border between geopolitics and morality? When can you afford the invasion, and when not? Where on your exhibitor is the invasion of Hitler in the USSR or Saddam in Kuwait?

            ANY war has two sides: heroic and "not so". You have to be proud of the heroic, but learn from the "not so".

            Moreover, the American invasion was in full accord with the interests of Russia, as their strength to fight the Taliban, helping the terrorist Caucasian groups, simply was not and is not. The management understands this very well, hence the help with transit. And the screams in the pro-government media are nothing more than propaganda.
  • 2я19
    2я19 22 December 2013 12: 14
    +4
    Yankee-handsome, you need to learn! Mix allies with manure, and they remain allies! Fight against the violation of all morals, which they themselves plant! All the propagandists of the past are resting. Ours are simply obliged to study, such a school should not be wasted.
  • Xroft
    Xroft 22 December 2013 12: 37
    +4
    The US military, which was mentioned in this article, is simply a new generation of fascists .....
  • Ivan.
    Ivan. 22 December 2013 13: 16
    +5
    USA USUAL BANDITARY STATE which, with each attack, gives the country to its mercenaries already trained in this style (there was an article that only a small percentage have a tendency to kill and they made conclusions from previous conflicts, for example, World War II and therefore they have an army contract and they are prepared in the key - the US citizen is a white man and the rest of the goyim are, at best, Indians). And the main thing is not by accident - the USA is the same alkaida which, after use, will be poured into the toilet.
    Zadornov voiced the story sent to him: one of our inquisitive minds on some beach turned to two chiefs - if you are so cool (the only ones in both Americas claiming to be called Americans) then why do you speak a foreign language? Its not - American? - a natural stupor!
  • Dovmont
    Dovmont 22 December 2013 13: 26
    +4
    Quote: cth; fyn
    The fact is that medicine, body armor and Kevlar helmets save many lives. But thereby increasing the number of wounded. Moreover, it is modern ammunition, protecting vital organs, according to surgeons, which leads to increased trauma and serious injuries.

    How can a helmet and armor hurt a soldier? Yes, there have been fewer deaths, but this does not lead to an increase in injuries, in the first place it leads to a decrease in deaths, and injuries are related, it is better to be injured than a corpse.
    In general, it was in my opinion British surgeons who were descended from British scientists who proved that there were no British scientists.

    The fact is that modern protective materials are strong enough to prevent damage to the skin by damaging elements and to prevent their penetration into the human body. But they are still unable to extinguish the high kinetic energy of the damaging elements. Namely, the action of kinetic energy in the human body causes the so-called hydrodynamic shock, which leads to ruptures of the hollow organs (intestines, bladder, heart, large blood vessels), parenchymal organs (liver, spleen, kidneys), semi-fluid structures (brain) . That, if it does not cause a quick death, certainly leads to a serious military injury requiring emergency surgical care in the field, such as OMEDB. True, I read somewhere that our scientists have come quite far in the development of composite materials for personal protective equipment using nano-gels that can instantly extinguish most of the energy of damaging elements released from small arms. Wait and see!
    1. makarov
      makarov 22 December 2013 14: 01
      +1
      These works were carried out at the very beginning of the Afghan company in a closed research institute, no real results were achieved, and the topic was quietly curtailed.
  • svp67
    svp67 22 December 2013 13: 54
    +2
    The usual attitude of a not very smart Suzeren to his vassals ... And is it worth it?
  • edeligor
    edeligor 22 December 2013 16: 55
    +1
    Quote: valokordin
    A sound thought, only apart from the language would teach them to think in Russian

    That's for sure! Now new Russian citizens, Tajiks from 201 military bases are retiring (of course, to Russia), they are not what they think, they make three mistakes in the word x .... th. hi
  • wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 22 December 2013 17: 05
    +2
    The article is generally interesting, but statistics at the end are illegible and spoils it.
    I always did not understand these tricks with interest and at times.
    Statistics should be clear and understandable if the article is written for ordinary people, otherwise the meaning of what the author wanted to tell the reader is lost.
  • ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 22 December 2013 17: 15
    +2
    Be that as it may, but this fact has finally reached the brains of lovers and admirers of NATO and its chief commander of the United States - that as the United States did not reckon with anyone or how, it does not count!
    The United States has no friends, no comrades-in-arms ... no one, but only its priorities and benefits, and the rest - and what else is it ?! So-so something creeping.
    What they wanted is what they got.
    So, it's time to create a new Warsaw Pact.
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      1. aviator65
        aviator65 22 December 2013 18: 06
        +2
        A little correction. Years of creation:
        NATO - 1949
        ATS - 1955
        The Department of Internal Affairs is SHE (organization), so it was not "created", but CREATED.
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 22 December 2013 17: 18
    +1
    and what? they spit on everything and everyone. not one of their subhuman people was not given to the tribunal and the fellows are not that we will be bad before whom we will all err. (remember the hero of Russia Budanov)
  • Artemmitr
    Artemmitr 22 December 2013 17: 47
    +1
    And where does Georgia in the operation in Afghanistan (1985-1992)? soldier
  • individual
    individual 22 December 2013 18: 36
    +1
    "In 2001, the invasion of Afghanistan began in two columns. The first was a 'coalition of those willing' to fight and consisted of Americans, British, Canadians and the military of several other countries seeking to curry favor with their big brother."

    And then:
    "We will boldly go into battle.
    -We are with you too.
    -And die as one.
    -We got to the wrong place ... "
    wassat
  • Black Raven
    Black Raven 22 December 2013 19: 14
    +1
    "... If the Americans come somewhere, they immediately settle down for a long time. They have it like this: they take the whole country for free! ..." - and what, someone still has illusions about the United States? so far the meaning of the word "gentleman" has the opposite meaning ...
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 22 December 2013 19: 45
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    Quote: lonely
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Afghans of Shuravi with nostalgia remember ... even the most vicious.


    Vitaliy.Agans recall nostalgia for shurawi only when Russian journalists ask about it.The East is a delicate matter.If you even assume that, suddenly Russia goes to Afghanistan again to fight the Taliban and starts building a new country, the Afghans will start fighting against you again. Afghans have such a mentality. These people want to live the way they want to. They will fight with everyone who comes to them with moralizing. I would not particularly believe those who remember shurav with nostalgia during the interview. Surely, those who remember in words, Soviet soldiers and specialists were killed with weapons in their hands.

    I absolutely agree with you! My comment was that introducing troops into Afghanistan is useless .. Help is needed but to stop producing opium ..!
    1. alone
      alone 22 December 2013 19: 53
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      To be honest, I don’t know what to say. It’s possible to help, of course, not to produce opium. On the other hand, knowing the profits that flow to them from this dope, they are unlikely to refuse voluntarily. Yes, and you can say 100 pounds that, besides the Americans, local authorities they themselves are directly involved in this infamous affair. And judging by the production data, they are not going to fight this evil at all.
    2. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 24 December 2013 10: 20
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      You need help, but to stop producing opium ..!

      Of course help, pollinate the field from pests napalm.
  • Boris63
    Boris63 22 December 2013 20: 17
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    Americans have never been good fighters, and now even more so they do not want to "fight" if there is no Coca-Cola or toilet paper, etc. Their tactics to "knead" everything and then enter on a "white horse" probably saves the lives of soldiers. But from such tactics they will never be able to fight with a well-prepared enemy in the cities, but in the mountains and in the field, too, not everything is so clear, or again "allies" will be called - who may still send amers to x .. someday for such an attitude towards the allied military.
  • Alex 63
    Alex 63 22 December 2013 20: 31
    +1
    And what gentlemen did the Europeans want? Lie under the USA (It’s no secret that NATO has a VOICE from the states, and the rest have so many jackals whimpering). There’s nothing to whine - go ahead first on land mines!
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 22 December 2013 20: 47
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    Quote: makarov
    Repeatedly, on the pages of the site, he explained to readers and comments that body armor is not a panacea, that wounds are obtained similarly penetrating in severity.
    I completely agree, apparently the surgeons operating in the war have a more correct point of view, because I don’t hear from the first. You can certainly create a heavy bulletproof vest, but then the sense of a fighter ?. Once I tried in heavy and full armament, and I also got in heavy rain. After a couple of kilometers, I already wanted to take refuge somewhere, dry out and relax. sad And just as my friend the surgeon said, it’s often better to fly out than broken off internal organs that are not sewn up.
  • polkownik1
    polkownik1 22 December 2013 21: 13
    +1
    Well said about the love of Americans for a good and varied food. It has long been known: the more and more delicious they eat, the worse and cowardly they fight. Bon appetit guys! :)))
  • Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 22 December 2013 21: 46
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    How can I calculate the dead percentage? Whoever they are, it's PEOPLE!
    1. Ivan.
      Ivan. 22 December 2013 22: 12
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      Quote: Prapor-527
      How can I calculate the dead percentage? Whoever they are, it's PEOPLE!

      In the same way that drugs are considered in dollars or rubles, the one who orders these estimates believes that they are different from us.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 22 December 2013 22: 38
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    Quote: polkownik1
    Well said about the love of Americans for a good and varied food. It has long been known: the more and more delicious they eat, the worse and cowardly they fight. Bon appetit guys! :)))

    Well yes. They eat well - they eat well, and when to fight? They are exceptional!
  • Douste
    Douste 22 December 2013 23: 02
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    Afghanistan, as you know, is a cemetery of empires. I wonder if the tradition will continue?
  • stroporez
    stroporez 23 December 2013 10: 48
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    He sat and thought ........... it is very good ....... Americans, with this approach, will destroy most of the European rabble that can hold weapons. What is bad for us ???? I wish you had a good whisker ..........
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 23 December 2013 19: 25
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    Quote: lonely
    To be honest, I don’t know what to say. It’s possible to help, of course, not to produce opium. On the other hand, knowing the profits that flow to them from this dope, they are unlikely to refuse voluntarily. Yes, and you can say 100 pounds that, besides the Americans, local authorities they themselves are directly involved in this infamous affair. And judging by the production data, they are not going to fight this evil at all.

    There is chemistry (harmless ..) you spray and the poppy does not grow for several years .. They suggested to the amers (they refused, it seems, hunger will start not humanely, etc.) Russia will have to deal with Afghanistan anyway .. (carrot and stick ..) ... they’re wild there and not calm .. (you need to negotiate with Pakistan .. they muddy the water with amers ..)