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About the second ally of the Russian state

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How is a person looking for his way in life? The answer to this question has not been found. Sometimes, having started work, serving in one direction, people can change the sphere of their activity - sometimes radically. In choosing their life paths, some follow in the footsteps of parents, close relatives, inspired by the example of their ancestors, others from childhood, who are passionate about something, continue to do this all their lives. Third (this is the main part of the youth) choose their life path, guided by the impulse of the soul.



St. Nicholas Naval Cathedral (Kronstadt) was created in the image of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople. The architecture of the cathedral was significantly influenced by the Art Nouveau style that flourished in the early twentieth century.


Is it possible to fall in love with the sea, if you have never seen it, or know about it, being like a boat along the coast or moving away from it no more than a mile away? Once and for all, I fell in love with the sea and the Navy, dedicating their whole lives to them, Vice-Admiral, twice Hero of the Soviet Union A.O. Shabalin, having seen a destroyer standing on a raid as a child. Many boys, looking into the sky and seeing the endless blue of the "fifth ocean", dreamed of flying. And what a joy filled their souls when they for the first time on an aircraft took off from the ground, rising high. “I'm flying!” They shouted.

But back to the sea. On the water, people are always in danger, especially those who fulfill their military duties. Helping each other at sea is particularly difficult. In the army, when performing ground operations, any warrior can count on the help of his comrade. In the air and at sea, such assistance is problematic. Since ancient times, the man who hit the road, hoping for a happy return. Therefore, before going out to sea, before the start of hostilities, the defenders of the Fatherland always read a prayer.

The Russian army in imperial Russia fought: "For the faith, the king and the Fatherland." The Russian armed forces were called "Christ-loving army". In those days, worship was accompanied by a man throughout his military life. Military temples began to be built simultaneously with the creation of troops. For example, in the regions of the Russian Empire, after the deployment of artillery regiments, “regimental artillery yards” were established, where chapels were built without fail, and then churches. It was the same with the Cossack regiments. A long march, grueling ship life in cramped cockpits, fighting, associated with death, required spiritual support for the ship's crew.

In March 1697, a great embassy of more than 100 people was sent abroad from Russia. The members of the embassy had to master not only the science of building ships, but also master the rules for driving them at sea and creating a spiritual and moral climate among sailors. By the end of the XNUMXth century, hundreds of ships from England, Holland, Spain, France, Portugal were serving in the Atlantic Ocean. On the fleets these countries already had maritime charters in force, where the basic laws of carrying out maritime service were formulated. These fleets also gained experience of the spiritual and moral influence of the clergy on the crews. The Russians had a lot to learn in maritime affairs from Europe. In 1701, the first Navigation School was opened in Moscow in the Kuntsevo area, and five years later more than 140 of its graduates were sent to foreign fleets for long-term practice. The founder of the Russian Navy, Peter I, understood that in order to fulfill the tasks assigned to the sailors, one must learn to influence them with the strength of spirit. This education had to be carried out by a special apparatus. Naval commanders of European countries kept the sea flock under the scrutiny of the church. The ships might be missing a medic, but not a servant of God. On the French battleship Corona (early 600th century), for example, there were two priests and three monks for every XNUMX crew members. All sailors of European countries had their patron saints.

The whole life of the Russian people in the period of the formation of the Russian fleet was associated with Christianity, with the church. At birth, the boy was baptized, then he got married, baptized his children, was the godfather of the children of relatives and then he was buried when he was taken to his last journey. The emperor of Russia understood that if during the battle the priest was next to the sailor, then the morale of the defender of the Fatherland would increase. A sailor who is not afraid of death can be killed, but you cannot win. From August 1718, in the highest decree, it was prescribed to have on each ship one hieromonk who was sent to the service from the Alexander Nevsky Monastery. During the battle, the priesthood monk was to be next to the ship's physician. The Church strictly followed that he was a person who performed not only worship, but was an example in all manifestations of life. Thus, during the reign of Peter I, the creation of an Orthodox maritime department was completed.

Years passed, and foreign experts from non-Orthodox faiths were invited to serve in the Russian Navy. Among them were dominated by navigators, commanders, boatswains, knights, healers. The Emperor and the Holy Synod wisely dealt with the problem of the religion of foreign officers who entered the Russian naval service. But at the same time, it was not possible to allow Orthodox Christians from the Russian fleet to convert to another religion.

A special tradition in the fleet was to take the oath, which was introduced from April 1710. Although the text of this oath was religious in nature, the idea of ​​loyalty to the Fatherland was laid in it. A clergy representative took the oath. For Orthodox, an Orthodox priest, for Muslims, an imam who was summoned from the fleet headquarters, for Jews, a rabbi, for Catholics, a pastor. In the absence of a clergyman, the oath was allowed to be taken by the commander.

Coastal Orthodox churches began to be built simultaneously with the creation of the Russian fleet. In St. Petersburg, on the left bank of the Moika River in the area of ​​the Blue Bridge downstream in 1730, admiralty ministers were stationed. It was the first shipyard. The blue bridge did not arise by chance, it connected the Kazan and 2 th Admiralty Islands. A chapel in the name of St. Nicholas the Wonderworker was built on this courtyard. After 12 years on the right bank of the Deaf River (this is the Griboyedov Canal today), a wooden church was built in the area of ​​Voznesensky Bridge. And in the year 1762 not far from this place was built St. Nicholas Naval Cathedral, which was consecrated in the name of St. Nicholas. In Kronstadt, where more than 10 thousands of naval employees were permanently located, the temples under construction were originally owned by the Maritime Office of Russia. The first temple - the Church of the Apostle Andrew Pervozvanny in the Kronstadt naval base - appeared already in 1718 year. Then in the sea fortress ship's carpenters put the Church of the Epiphany, which was located on the site indicated by Peter I. To build this temple, they bought the private house of the retired captain von Dezin. The creation of a stone church for sailors in Kronstadt was delayed for many years. The military governor of Kronstadt, Vice Admiral Kaznakov Nikolai Ivanovich, in 1896, submitted to the Maritime Ministry a proposal to build a stone Orthodox church in the fortress. In this proposal, the admiral reminded the minister, and with it the emperor, that the temple in Kronstadt - the cradle of the Russian fleet - should be not only a place of prayer, but also a national monument. This was followed by the intervention of Father John of Kronstadt in this process. He reproached the Russian government that there were funds in the country for the creation of Lutheran churches, and there were no funds for the creation of the Sea Temple. “We, the Russians, are ashamed to show foreigners a sea shrine, I mean the church (wooden Kronstadt church). Not from our frequent sea misfortunes? Are there any lessons from God? Lord How long will it be? ”Wrote John of Kronstadt. And in 1897, the highest permission was received to open a subscription to fundraising for the construction of the Marine Temple in Kronstadt. The city had a square where old anchors were kept. Architect Vasily Antonovich Kosyakov chose this place for the construction of a new church. He believed that the park should also be divided around the temple and there should be free territory for the procession. The special condition that was dictated from above prescribed that the height of the dome of the temple should be such that ships passing along the fairway could see the temple. The consecration of the new cathedral took place 10 June 1913 of the year.

In the north of the Russian Empire, the Solovetsky Monastery, created in 1420, in addition to the military defensive mission, also served as a temple for sailors.

On the Black Sea, the St. George Monastery, in addition to the main mission, served as the second school for training ship priests. The Cathedral of St. Equal-to-the-Apostles Prince Vladimir was the burial place of sailors.

In the Far East of the Russian Empire, many churches were created, which were located in the coastal cities with Christian names.

On ships, the most honorable and beloved place was considered the upper part of the deck from the mainmast to the mizzenmast. In this place were located the divine icons of the Mother of God and other saints. Icons were considered the most important shrine of the ship, so in the event of a crash, they were saved in the first place.
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  1. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 23 December 2013 07: 32
    +11
    At sea, especially in a naval battle without faith, nowhere.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 23 December 2013 07: 38
      +16
      Without faith everywhere is nowhere.
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 23 December 2013 07: 44
        +7
        Quote: ivshubarin
        Without faith everywhere is nowhere.


        Especially when not much separates you from the abyss.
        1. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 23 December 2013 12: 04
          +2
          Quote: JIaIIoTb
          Quote: ivshubarin
          Without faith everywhere is nowhere.


          Especially when not much separates you from the abyss.


          Gentlemen of the minus. The concept of the abyss is indicated here in the context of the water element. What did you think about?
          Here you definitely need to go to the temple)
          1. Bosk
            Bosk 23 December 2013 12: 16
            +2
            If you read out WITHOUT BOTTOM, the shadows are not goosebumps ... but somehow it becomes uncomfortable.
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  2. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 23 December 2013 07: 36
    +3
    I did not understand. The picture clearly shows the Naval Cathedral on Anchor Square in Kronstadt. And the signature is Nikolsky in St. Petersburg.
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      Smirnov Vadim 23 December 2013 08: 14
      +3
      Quote: Old_Kapitan
      I did not understand. The picture clearly shows the Naval Cathedral on Anchor Square in Kronstadt. And the signature is Nikolsky in St. Petersburg.


      Where did you see the signature: in St. Petersburg ???
      1. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 23 December 2013 09: 09
        +1
        Where did you see the signature: in St. Petersburg ???
        Vadim, I'm sorry, it's just that I first learned here that he is also Nikolsky. And given that Nikolsky is also in St. Petersburg ... I got it.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 December 2013 08: 17
      +2
      Quote: Old_Kapitan
      I do not understand. The picture clearly shows the Naval Cathedral on Anchor Square in Kronstadt. And the signature is Nikolsky in St. Petersburg

      Where does it say that Peter? That's right, I already thought it was a mistake.
  3. makarov
    makarov 23 December 2013 07: 39
    +6
    I want to remind you of the Vladimir Admiralty Cathedral, where admirals M.P. were buried. Lazarev, V.A. Kornilov, P.S. Nakhimov, V.I. Istomin, P.A. Karpov.
    VIOLENCE over the tomb and the remains of the great admirals was committed repeatedly. After the surrender of Sevastopol, during the Crimean War, as they say, the French invaders, representatives of one of the most civilized and cultured nations, made a break in the crypt, and they removed orders and epaulettes from the uniforms of the admirals, and cut off the buttons. After the departure of the "uninvited guests" from Crimea, the burial was restored, the temple itself was completed. But in 1927, an ominous shadow hung over the ashes of the heroes.
    On July 7, 1927, the Sevastopol City Council received a letter with the following content: "The Administrative Department of the Sevastopol District Executive Committee asks to appoint a commission with representatives of the Administrative Department and the Military Historical Museum to inspect and seize the walled coffins in the floor of the Vladimir Cathedral. ... On your request. the adherents of the revolutionary feeling of the masses received the reply that "the time has not yet come for carrying out this operation."
    "The right time" began four years later, when the cathedral was closed, and its premises were given to OSOAVIAKHIM for aircraft engine workshops. It was then that the fighters against the "henchmen of the overthrown dynasty" broke into the tomb of admirals, broke the coffins, and the remains of the great naval commanders raked up along with the trash, mostly destroying it. The crypt was covered with earth and debris, and the break-in was walled up ...
    February 29, 1992 the reburial of the ashes of four Russian admirals took place: M.P. Lazareva, V.A. Kornilova, P.S. Nakhimova, V.I. Istomina, which has become a powerful socio-political action of the unity of Sevastopol and Black Sea with Russia. And about P.A. Karpov, alas, they forgot ..
  4. Old_kapitan
    Old_kapitan 23 December 2013 07: 51
    +3
    Well, yes, that's right. Here is Nikolsky:
    Centuries

    But I see - familiar places, and the signature is not that ...
    1. Smirnov Vadim
      Smirnov Vadim 23 December 2013 08: 25
      +2
      Where did you see the signature: in St. Petersburg ??? What are you driving a wave from scratch?
      1. Old_kapitan
        Old_kapitan 23 December 2013 09: 10
        +2
        Where did you see the signature: in St. Petersburg ??? What are you driving a wave from scratch?
        Vadim, I already understood the mistake and apologized.
  5. radio operator
    radio operator 23 December 2013 08: 14
    +3
    The emperor of Russia understood that if during the battle a priest would be next to a sailor, the morale of the defender of the Fatherland would increase. A sailor who is not afraid of death can be killed, but cannot be defeated.

    Golden words!
    The basis of the spirit of the Russian warrior is faith. Our Orthodox faith.

    “Russian boys are those boys who, in a moment of danger for the Fatherland, leave their home, bride, mother, and go volunteers, militias to become heroes. Of course, they are not afraid of meeting, they dream of happiness as a mortal duel with the enemy. They will be given to free the soul of Mother - Russia, to let her realize her strength, to rise to the whole heavenly height. What word will they say? - Russia! No, our great people, not because they exist, but because they would like to become. And his ideals are strong and holy, they saved him. It was they who grew together with his soul, primordially and awarded it forever with innocence and honesty, sincerity and a wide open mind, and all this in the most attractive, harmonious combination. The Motherland is holy for the Russian heart, because the Motherland is the highest and the last truth for him, and therefore everything can be taken from him, ridiculed, but to take away the Motherland from the Russian heart - to humiliate, insult him so that it becomes ashamed, renounces it, is impossible. There is no such power on earth, nor underground, anywhere in the whole world. If a Russian tells you that he does not love his homeland, do not believe him, he is not Russian ”
    F.M. Dostoevsky

  6. pan grizian
    pan grizian 23 December 2013 08: 14
    +4
    Belief in the rightness of one’s country is an important factor in a fighter’s stamina. But in today's conditions, the presence of a priest or a mullah on a ship will be more of a decomposing factor than a strengthening factor for crew morale.
    1. radio operator
      radio operator 23 December 2013 08: 21
      +1
      Quote: Pan Gritsian
      the presence on the ship of a priest or a mullah will be for the morale of the crew more a decaying factor than a strengthening one.

      This is a corrupting factor for a liberal.
      For a Russian person - a powerful incentive.
  7. alicante11
    alicante11 23 December 2013 08: 45
    +1
    I wonder what about the "second ally"? All about "faith" snot with sugar.
    Faith is a very intimate concept. And, forgive me, zealots of the church, but if I want to communicate with the Almighty, then I don't need a priest in a black cassock or tonsure or in a turban as an intermediary. So, between me and God (Conscience, Fate, Forces of Nature), the third is superfluous - to drive parasites from ships and from the army and from life. And then they lit up the "divine office" and do "business on faith."
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 23 December 2013 09: 13
      0
      Quote: alicante11
      I wonder what about the "second ally"

      For this reason, I minus the article. About the Navy almost nothing. About monasteries, temples, and priests.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 23 December 2013 11: 16
      +4
      Quote: alicante11
      Faith is a very intimate concept. And, forgive me, zealots of the church, but if I want to communicate with the Almighty, then I don't need a priest in a black cassock or tonsure or in a turban as an intermediary. So, between me and God (Conscience, Fate, Forces of Nature), the third is superfluous - to drive parasites from ships and from the army and from life. And then they lit up the "divine office" and do "business on faith."

      You are not the first or the last. Moreover, these phrases migrate from one topic concerning religion to another with practically no changes. Almost word for word. "I do not need priests, I do not need a church, I myself will communicate with the Lord (??? !!!) without intermediaries." You are not original. The usual excuse for a person who is far from Orthodoxy and faith.
      Drive parasites? And what do they eat from your bowl? Drive from where and where, warrior? Maybe they rob your family?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 23 December 2013 12: 25
        +2
        You are not original


        Yes, I am not the first and I am not the last - because the truth.

        Drive parasites? And what do they eat from your bowl? Drive from where and where, warrior? Maybe they rob your family?


        And from whose? Is the church producing something? Not. But at the same time, priests earn money, and church hierarchs live no worse than oligarchs and major officials. The church mediates between man and SOMETHING. Actually, this is called fraud.
        And on what shishi were the temples built? For grandma's donations? Take the cathedral at the entrance to Dolgoprudny. Who gave money for it - thugs. What blood are they watered with? Take our Khabarovsk churches. Who gave money for them? Thieves-businesswomen who did not pay wages to the workers at that time, just to finish building the church for the church holiday. But even those churches for which the governor knocked money out of big businessmen - do you think they put this money into the price of their goods and services? So who pays for this priestly "feast in the time of the plague"?
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 23 December 2013 12: 38
          0
          Quote: alicante11
          And from whose? Is the church producing something?

          Interestingly, the Russian Orthodox Church is subsidized by the state? The church has its own sources of income, including donations from parishioners that you do not belong to.
          Quote: alicante11
          The church mediates between man and SOMETHING

          Well, Gulchitay opened her face. First - "I do not need intermediaries in communicating with God." Then about fraud and mediation with SOMETHING.
          Quote: alicante11
          And what shishas are the temples built on? For grandmother's donations?

          Including.
          Quote: alicante11
          Take the cathedral at the entrance to Dolgoprudny. Who gave money to him - bandits. What kind of blood are they watered?

          Is it really yours?
          Quote: alicante11
          But even those temples for which the governor knocked out money from large businessmen - do you think they put this money into the price of their goods and services?

          I think that the time you spend on shaking the air can be spent on something more creative for yourself and for the society whose health you care about so much.
          Quote: alicante11
          Yes, I am not the first and I am not the last - because the truth.

          The most killer argument.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 23 December 2013 14: 34
            +2
            Interestingly, the Russian Orthodox Church is subsidized by the state? The church has its own sources of income, including donations from parishioners that you do not belong to.


            And on what shishi were the temples built? For grandma's donations? Take the cathedral at the entrance to Dolgoprudny. Who gave money for it - thugs. What blood are they watered with? Take our Khabarovsk churches. Who gave money for them? Thieves-businesswomen who did not pay wages to the workers at that time, just to finish building the church for the church holiday. But even those churches for which the governor knocked money out of big businessmen - do you think they put this money into the price of their goods and services? So who pays for this priestly "feast in the time of the plague"?


            Learn to read.

            Well, Gulchitay opened her face. First - "I do not need intermediaries in communicating with God." Then about fraud and mediation with SOMETHING.


            Absolutely right. It's just that for me God is not SOMETHING, but quite real laws of Nature by which we live. And for their knowledge I do not need a "guide in a cassock" who does not know them.

            Is it really yours?


            Hmm, you can immediately see a truly believing person. But why not kill. Is it all the same whose innocent blood is poured, mine or not?

            I think that the time you spend on shaking the air can be spent on something more creative for yourself and for the society whose health you care about so much.


            If at least one person who is in the grip of obscurantism gets his sight, then I “shook the air” for a reason.

            The most killer argument.


            Have you at least objected in essence? Along the way for you - yes, quite killer.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 24 December 2013 10: 17
              +1
              Quote: alicante11
              Learn to read.

              Thanks for the wish. I have already mastered it somehow.
              And if in the case, then citing an argument as an isolated case, on the account of which it is possible, but, in my opinion, it’s not worth arguing, you didn’t bring at least some serious foundation to your arguments.
              Quote: alicante11
              Absolutely right. It's just that for me God is not SOMETHING, but quite real laws of Nature by which we live. And for their knowledge I do not need a "guide in a cassock" who does not know them.

              There are some interesting points. I emphasize only two of them:
              - So you need mediators in the robes of scientists? Or do you yourself know the laws of nature? How?
              - understand that this is only your attitude and your point of view. One in billions. And it is a profound mistake to consider it a priori true and to pour nasty dissent, all the more sanctified by the centuries-old history of our ancestors.
              Quote: alicante11
              Hmm, you can immediately see a truly believing person. But why not kill. Is it all the same whose innocent blood is poured, mine or not?

              Has anyone discussed the commandments? Are we going to analyze the dusty arguments of unbelievers about FAITH again? I don't want to and I won't. I repeat, you are not the first here to subscribe to "iron" arguments. And everything has already been passed and passed.
              Just try to explain the meaning of these two words.
              How much do you think it’s moral or immoral to bring other people's suffering and blood of others under the shaky basis of their surface reasoning?
              Quote: alicante11
              If at least one person who is in the power of obscurantism will see clearly, then I "shook the air" for a reason

              Is this your mission on our sinful land? I am sorry that you cannot find your zeal more worthy of using except flea attacks on faith and the church.
              Quote: alicante11
              Have you at least objected in essence? Along the way for you - yes, quite killer.

              Along the way? Yes, we are going in different directions, passing alicante11.
              I received neither philosophical nor psychological education.
              But what you wrote is from the field of syllogisms built on the wrong premises. The premise "I'm right" for you is the basis for constructing the subsequent nonsense. This is the main misconception and it makes no sense to understand it longer.
              What could I write on this other than two words?
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 25 December 2013 06: 48
                +1
                And if in the case, then citing an argument as an isolated case, on the account of which it is possible, but, in my opinion, it’s not worth arguing, you didn’t bring at least some serious foundation to your arguments.


                Yeah, only in my comment I brought THREE cases. If you want more, I have them. Here are just legally these examples are not framed. Therefore, it makes no sense to throw beads.

                There are some interesting points. I emphasize only two of them:
                - So you need mediators in the robes of scientists? Or do you yourself know the laws of nature? How?
                - understand that this is only your attitude and your point of view. One in billions. And it is a profound mistake to consider it a priori true and to pour nasty dissent, all the more sanctified by the centuries-old history of our ancestors.


                Yes, scientists are needed in robes. For the initial overclocking, and then the need for them disappears. when you learn to "learn the laws of Nature yourself."
                On account of "my opinion" - it is not only mine. But actually, tell me. WHY is the hierarchical structure of the church needed? WHY a believer cannot turn to God directly, without intermediaries. WHY does a person need temples, icons to communicate with God, isn't God enough in his soul? WHY can a person sin, and then, having given money to the church, "be cleansed" of sin and sin further?
                Well, and also, what about the old schools of the "church: the Inquisition, dogmatism (the earth, they say, is flat, or the sun revolves around the earth), indulgences, crusades, burning witches and Old Believers?

                Has anyone discussed the commandments? Are we going to analyze the dusty arguments of unbelievers about FAITH again? I don't want to and I won't. I repeat, you are not the first here to subscribe to "iron" arguments. And everything has already been passed and passed.


                Why discuss them? They must be fulfilled. It is clearly said "Thou shalt not kill", "Thou shalt not steal", etc. What else is needed. And you will not discuss, because there is nothing to cover.

                How much do you think it’s moral or immoral to bring other people's suffering and blood of others under the shaky basis of their surface reasoning?


                Morally. If only because THEY will never be able to "attract" this suffering under the "basis".

                Is this your mission on our sinful land? I am sorry that you cannot find your zeal more worthy of using except flea attacks on faith and the church.


                This is my mission in this article :). Don't judge by yourself, okay?

                Along the way? Yes, we are going in different directions, passing alicante11.


                The day is clear, you are with thieves and parasites. And I'm not on the way with you.

                I received neither philosophical nor psychological education.


                If you have not received an education, then you should not try to show it. The preconditions for the debunking of the church were created long ago and not by me, and they are indestructible. I gave some of them above. But all the "freaks" of the churchmen are cheap demagoguery.
  8. Nitarius
    Nitarius 23 December 2013 08: 47
    +1
    I am NOT AGAINST FAITH! LET WILL BE and develop! BELIEVE WHAT IT IS NECESSARY!
    with faith in the dashing 90s only probably survived!
    But strongly and insolently Shove Children Church Manners - I am AGAINST! Let the child grow up and decide what to believe in him! and before that you don’t spit in the Ears of any Nonsense. Yes, and it is necessary that all faiths are studied at school! and not just Darwin's Theory .... The officials themselves may have evolved from monkeys ...... this is their relatives so to speak, there is nothing for us to tell about them!
  9. shurup
    shurup 23 December 2013 09: 24
    +8
    I was going to read about the fleet, but it seems that another organization claims to be the second ally of the state.
    The contractor on the database, and especially his commander, was somehow not up to the cult. This should be done in your free time and outside of your location.
  10. Ripper
    Ripper 23 December 2013 09: 27
    +5
    Force ... to pray to God, he will break his forehead! I wonder if new weapons are being poured over "holy water" in other countries? I think that the "holy" missiles and planes do not fall, you just need to work well and efficiently. At least, as in the defense industry in the atheistic USSR.
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  12. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 23 December 2013 10: 52
    +2
    Years of unbelief have done irreparable damage to the spiritual condition of many generations. And the gradual return of clerics to the troops has a stabilizing effect on military collectives. This is especially noticeable in units with increased moral and combat load (Airborne Forces, Navy, etc.). And the future will show who is right.
  13. roma-belij
    roma-belij 23 December 2013 10: 58
    +3
    The church would become a second ally only if, as in the time of Peter I, it would build ships for the Russian fleet at its own expense !!!
    1. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 23 December 2013 11: 39
      +7
      Well, I don’t know how it is now, but during the Second World War tank columns and squadrons bought the church ...............
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 23 December 2013 12: 28
        +4
        Well, then the church was persecuted. And only true believers remained faithful to her. Therefore, they stood for their homeland. And now all sorts of parasites and thieves are working in the church. And if something happened, you won’t interrogate them from stale crust, not like a tank column.
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 23 December 2013 12: 46
        0
        Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
        and during World War II, tank columns and squadrons bought the church ...............

        The tank column of Dmitry Donskoy, consisting of forty tanks, was transferred to the front in 1944, money was transferred to it in 1943. During the entire war, the USSR industry produced about 100 thousand tanks. The contribution of the Russian Orthodox Church in this regard was purely ideological. And about the squadron, you They are not mentioned. Such a squadron is not mentioned. Named planes Alexander Nevsky, who fought in different squadrons, built on the donations of individual priests of the Russian Orthodox Church at different times, are mentioned.
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  14. washi
    washi 23 December 2013 11: 06
    +4
    According to the Constitution, there is no ideology in our state.
    But you need to believe in a Russian person. Yes, and the deputies for educational work went awkwardly.
    So they preach instead of the code of the builder of communism sermons.
    I do not need intermediaries to communicate with (I don’t know what to call what is)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 23 December 2013 11: 12
      +4
      Quote: Vasya
      I do not need intermediaries to communicate with (I don’t know what to call what is)

      Then you do not need to communicate with this approach. There is no one to communicate with.
      1. varov14
        varov14 23 December 2013 13: 58
        +1
        God is far from a church and at other times the church is not the best mediator with God
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 23 December 2013 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: Vasya
      I do not need intermediaries to communicate with (I don’t know what to call what is)

      Even cooler alicante11 put it. You are absolutely right, Vasily, I don’t know for whom I don’t need intermediaries.
  15. I think so
    I think so 23 December 2013 11: 22
    +1
    When the fleet is defeated ... all that remains is to rely on the icons on the ships ...
  16. Moore
    Moore 23 December 2013 12: 42
    +1
    The first ally with churching was not so unambiguous as the second. The oath was sworn, the services were carried out in non-guards infantry (artillery, cavalry) with the involvement of not only Orthodox clergy. Mullahs and rabbis also did not remain without work. An empire - it is an empire everywhere - a multinational and multiconfessional thing ....
  17. nikcris
    nikcris 23 December 2013 14: 15
    +1
    Quote: Dr.Faust.Patron
    Quote: alicante11
    Well, in our liberal cinema, glamorous paratroopers are found. This does not mean that such were really ...

    Right And there was also a chance - the girl fell for a mine in the sea, she was baptized - and she was happy. And then the girl-neophyte telekinesis sank a boat with atheists with this mine.
    I myself saw in the cinema. Not a Shtrafbat, not ... the name was more authentic there

    what are we smoking? Let drag out)))
  18. moremansf
    moremansf 23 December 2013 14: 26
    +1
    Believe it or not, it is a purely personal matter and the path to this can be different ... faith is a kind of ideology ... everyone has the right to make their own choice ... our great-grandfathers went into battle "For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland ! " - this is already a historical fact and must be reckoned with ...
  19. alone
    alone 23 December 2013 18: 57
    +1
    Every atheist becomes a believer when the artillery preparation of the enemy begins.
  20. Hort
    Hort 24 December 2013 07: 26
    +1
    There is such a thing, men, the fleet is drowned, it turns out! wassat
    Here, according to one lord, the flooded ships:
    Surface ships (from those mentioned in the media)
    - Moscow 11.07. 13 Bay of Biscay
    - Varangian 17 Caribbean
    - Peter the Great 09.09 Wilkitsky Strait
    - Savvy 30. 10 Mediterranean Sea
    - Ukraine 03.11 Aegean Sea
    - Vikramaditya and Kuznetsov 05.12
    - RCA 955 at the end of August the Mediterranean Sea

    Underwater
    - 949A 07.05 Bay of Biscay
    - 3 s Pacific Fleet June Indian Ocean
    - with the rest it is unclear except Bratsk and Samara - September Chukchi Sea
    This is all that is indirectly in the media, inaccuracies are possible - contact your bosses or the enemy, or dive - you will find out everything. It cannot be secret - the enemy is the first to know that he has drowned, the whole world too - the Varyag passed the Panama Canal openly, but the "Russians" heard that it was Moscow.
    The fact that supposedly floats in the Mediterranean is the Virtual Fleet, and the enemy in the war the one whom they deceive is the Russian population.

    Maybe one of the Moreman in cours, under what circumstances did this happen? laughing